Ep. 119: "A Cocaine Economy"
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[Music]
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hello John
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hi Merlin and how's it going
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ma'am hope heaven isn't run by beef
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jerky heaven is a place on earth
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mmm having a lot like Dixie mm happen
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heavens to mergatroid a place for
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nothing nothing ever happens
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oh that's right hmm heaven have a heaven
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heaven 17 and house in pavement was back
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summer babe having a few bucks a pop you
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are going to grow my god is so much
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sodium in my system I had some artichoke
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hearts soup the other day that was like
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a it was like a sodium solution that was
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that just had like a artichoke infusion
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it was like wet salt with artichokes
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I think that's not as good as it sounds
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it was pretty good but you know
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typically at the artichoke is the
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artichoke is a much-maligned a vegetable
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is that right well much maligned by my
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imagination because I hardly ever order
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an artichoke thing and partly it is
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because so much of the artichoke is
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inedible and i don't i don't understand
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how nature could have produced a grenade
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shaped fruit that is full of corn chips
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that you can't eat but that are covered
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with guacamole right like like better
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quality moly that's what it is it's like
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it's like a corn chip grenade if the
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corn chips were made out of leaves
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pointy leaves pointy leaves and they
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don't eat so much as scrape right at
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preloaded with a kind of love of like
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veiny guacamole
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ya hear get out of my dreams so so I
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don't but but then when I have an
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artichoke thing I enjoy it i think it's
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at the low end
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of the butter conveyance spectrum oh I
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see it's it's a butter device right you
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can do things with it you can make you
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can make dips and things like that but
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uh but now there's a lot of a lot of
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scraping and then you gotta scream she
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leaves you gotta throw away
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scraping and then a bunch of yeah right
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you got a pile of detritus that many
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years ago I was sitting in a bar and it
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was one of those bar conversations where
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you're you're sitting there and you use
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couple of guys and you get to get going
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with them and pretty soon you're having
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like a real intense meeting of the minds
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and unlike most of those intense meeting
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of the minds conversations that the guy
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the guy was talking to look like a young
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lindsey buckingham like Lindsey
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Buckingham when he was beautiful and had
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a little beard and was talking to this
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guy and it was you know early nineties
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right so he's wearing some kind of hemp
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necklace and and at the end of the
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conversation is like you are perfect for
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this big project we've got going on
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come with me and like it when we were
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drinking at the bar in the middle of the
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day or something and I was like okay so
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we go out and we start we go for a walk
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and a half drunk in the day and he's
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like I'm opening a club and it's gonna
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be like a it's going to be a art gallery
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speakeasy cafe jazz club rape space and
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I was like tell me more
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he said I feel like you are like a kind
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of a visionary guy I feel like your
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ideal to like partner up with us on this
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club and I'm like I agree it's about
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time somebody recognized that I was a
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visionary in the art space rave cafe
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I mean just means everybody in the
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unlikelihood of meeting someone in a bar
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drinking in the middle of the day who
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has that kind of vision to pull together
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all the / things into one coherent
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money-making machine right and then
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would recognize that I was an important
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component in the organization it's
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so anyway but this guy is very handsome
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guy very charismatic
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and it turns out he is a shoe salesman
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at the Bon marché the Bon marché being
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one of the big department stores
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downtown but it used to be there was the
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Bon marché Frederica Nelson's and
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nordstrom all three of those were
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department stores all clustered downtown
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and the bond was kind of it wasn't all
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the way up to frederick Nelson standards
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but it was a pretty nice department
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let's be honest so this guy was a shoe
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salesman at the Bon marché in women
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shoes and he and two other of the shoe
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salesmen were gonna partner in
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developing this club and they have
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slight amount of stickiness right and
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they had a ton of cash because they had
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jobs and just something i didn't have
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and so anyway he and i become fast
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friends were like inseparable
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he's got pretty nice apartment and he
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just wants to talk big pie in the sky
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ideas about how this club is going to
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change the culture of Seattle it's going
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to be you know it's gonna like it's in a
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way it's going to improve race relations
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because this group of people are all
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multi multiracial multicultural people
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we're going to appeal to everybody in
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the city it's going to be you know
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there's going to be a hip-hop component
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there's going to be like it
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cool jazz component all the things that
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you could want and eventually my role
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evolved to be head of security which was
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an interesting evolution for i was still
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visionary but also head of security want
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to start up you gotta wear a lot of hats
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that's right that's right and we were we
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we went all the way we we found a space
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in the old trailways bus station in
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seattle which was abandoned and we found
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the owner we rented the space and we
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stayed open for a couple of months
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and it was basically a 24-hour business
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that in the morning that would be a cafe
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with costco muffins and set an espresso
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machine and we're serving espresso to
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like people on their way to work and
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then during the day it morphed into kind
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of an art gallery espresso space and
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then in the evenings there was jazz
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wow that was a lot of kids from the
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Cornish music school would come down and
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like play plate improv sort of bebop ee
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jazz in the in the evenings and then
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that would turn into hip-hop jazzy
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hip-hop which was a thing in the early
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nineties in seattle in the night and it
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would turn into kind of a jazzy hip-hop
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club where the girls were wearing
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turbans and everybody was like whoo
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it was like a bit was very shaday let's
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say and then at 2am we would close the
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doors closed all the front doors but
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then open the unmarked back door and
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then it was a power rave from 2am until
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like eight in the morning and we
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seriously kept this going for a couple
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of months I sounds exhausting
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well and the thing is it was completely
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powered by cocaine was taped it feels
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the cocaine project it was very cocaina
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these guys it turned out that the shoe
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salesman guys had a lot of money not
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just because they had jobs and were
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selling shoes but it was the total
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cocaine ring and I had I'd i had not
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really spent a lot of time like just
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immersed in cocaine times but you'd be
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surprised how much work you can get done
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you can do a lot of a like espresso
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making in the morning and art showing in
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the day and I you know I would take cat
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naps on the old bus station benches that
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were kind of still there in the space
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and we really thought we were
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revolutionising the the country and in a
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way we were on our way because there
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weren't a lot of people buying art let's
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say but they were
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they've turned into a complete like blow
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out by two-and-a-half weeks in there
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were 400 people there and that is what
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attracted the cops
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yeah how official was your business not
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at all yeah you paid rent and you had
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doors we gave some rent to a guy I guess
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somebody's told me that that that that
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they had rent and I was the head of
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security which meant that I stood at the
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door and took the money from people and
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I charged people an arbitrary amount of
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money each person kind of got charged a
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different amount of money and I kind of
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kept most of it because the other guys
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didn't seem to be in it for the money
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and I didn't I was the only one that
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didn't have a job so I was suddenly
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doing pretty good
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yeah um they were more interested in I
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don't know what their plan was honestly
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they were socially or cocaine person
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don't you kind of want to meet more
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cocaine people write it was a very
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gifted part of it it was a cocaine
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driven economy and I think they were
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bringing a lot of people into the venue
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who were buying cocaine from and so it
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was self-sustaining and it would have
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been I think it probably would have like
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a like a aggressive virus would have
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taken over the world in the whole world
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right now would be a jazz hip-hop art
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gallery a rave cocaine party if not for
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the police who drove by one night and
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saw 250 kids outside of field trailways
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bus station and it pique their curiosity
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and red flag and he said huh
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let's go let's go around the block and
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go back and take a look at that and when
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they came in and saw that it would that
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that was just the overflow of people
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that were inside up a total firetrap
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with no you know and I was again the guy
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sitting at the door pockets full of cash
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hopped up on goofballs and what I saw
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the cops
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I got off my stool and walked away and I
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my name was not connected to anything
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and i just left and I think everybody
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got busted but nobody really had their
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name on anything except for the guy who
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looked like lindsey buckingham nicks
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traced back to his costco account
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yeah the next time I saw him he was
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riding like a like a small-bore kawasaki
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motorcycle like a kawasaki 350 or
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something like a it was a kawasaki that
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was an imitation of a triumph like a
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like a one cylinder kawasaki and I was
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walking down the street and he rode up
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on this bike it was like a man get on
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and i would have been a couple of months
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since I've seen my jumped on the back of
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his bike and he rode me to the ferry
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dock and I was like where we go and he
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was like don't worry about it we got on
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the ferry and then I'm like seriously
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where we going we're on the ferry now
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he's like I'm living in port townsend
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now I want you to see my place I'm
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thinking about real reopening the
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gallery and port townsend and I Anna I
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know and I need you there you were the
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heart and soul of the place and I was
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walk away sometimes oh yeah he was like
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you know you were there you were the
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smart one you got out of there before
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can of course I mean we both understood
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what was I going to stand there and say
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IDs please put away i had you know six
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hundred dollars in my code I was
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see you later but in the early planning
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stages of the cafe we went to a pizza
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restaurant and he was like a lot lately
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you know let's get a pizza will you know
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we'll have a lunch meeting talk about
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the big talk about the big plan and he
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ordered an artichoke pizza and I had met
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at that point in my life had never eaten
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an artichoke and I looked at him like
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he'd are ordered a rat pizza I was like
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what are you doing to me like i loved
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this idea of a lunch meeting where we
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were having a pizza but you just ruined
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it by putting some terrible shit on it
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he was like no no trust me you're gonna
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love it
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artichoke pizza and it came and he was
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I loved it and that was one of the that
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artichoke pizza was one of a handful of
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events in my life where I realized that
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I was wrong about something and that my
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life was gonna be different from now on
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Wow artichoke pizza and they ordered
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different stuff every time you get
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summer now I get a different thing on
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every time I go into a restaurant i get
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i get a different thing even if i go to
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the same restaurant over and over and
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over i never would do the same thing was
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it was the club cult
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oh my god it was called 0000 the offbeat
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cafe it was called the offbeat cafe
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that's pretty good and yeah and like it
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and that name was the result of some
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think tanking uh you know high-level
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discussions got a lot of levels offbeat
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that's right it's like it's it
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communicates a little bit of the jazz
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and hip-hop vibe
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it has the word cafe on it so it feels
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bohemian but also it was trying to be a
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cafe so it appeared you know we the
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hardest audience to appeal to was all
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the people walking past the Trailways
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bus station on the way to work in the
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morning and a lot of times I was the one
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standing there like bleary-eyed manning
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the espresso machine and you watch these
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business suit people walk by they appear
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in the bus station then see the cafe
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sign and I'd be in there I wave to him
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and they would just keep walking and it
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was like how we can you know that the
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big challenge was how do we how do we up
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the cafe component of the business
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because it felt like that was the road
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to legitimacy the rave business was
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always going to be on the in the shadows
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right but if we could get the cafe
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business running then we could get
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license then get all the get all the
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permits and stuff I mean there was a
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yeah absolutely that's the beauty of the
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cocaine it seems to me personally you
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got you got a place by cocaine people
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for cocaine people i mean the problem
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was that the people who are in there you
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know just muddling through with espresso
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we're not cocaine people don't want
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anyone vibrating on the same level that
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you guys were at all aware and you know
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and the art because it was basically we
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were all students and it was basically a
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student-run I mean it was like a student
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jazz ensemble can pass for most people
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as just a legitimate jazz ensemble if
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you were maybe a jazz pro you would know
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that this was kind of terrible chance
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but student arts like student painting
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really reads as student painting a lot
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of the time being the kind of thing
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you'd see in a cafe that doesn't have a
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license
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that's right so there was a lot of you
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know there was a lot of artwork that
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looked like mock-ups for the third
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Matrix movie and the heart never sold
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actually funny a connection the offbeat
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cafe is where i met Reggie Watts the
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comedian because Reggie when he was 20
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years old his first foray into show
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business was as a jazz piano player no
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way that Reggie was one of the jazz
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musicians that came to the offbeat cafe
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in the afternoons and evenings he played
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a Wurlitzer piano and he would sit and
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you know Buddha Papa no Papa to do
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he's a great pianist and so he was like
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he was one of the jazz cats
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then I knew from the offbeat cafe and he
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evolved many different times before he
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decided then that his before he
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discovered his comedy act as gift
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yeah it's true gift hi so that's the
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first of all I mean it sounds like it
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could almost be like maybe like a gust
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fans and film it very much was that's
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yes it absolutely was my own private
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idaho but but including the part where
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she picks up on the motorcycle I think
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that's part of the movie but taken out
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of a kind of a punk-rock a gutter Punk
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econ text and put in a sort of
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multicultural multiracial cocaine
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context that's the thing it's the
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cocaine and I its there's something on
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admirable or enviable about the lindsey
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buckingham guy i have to say from a
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distance when you look at somebody like
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that who clearly is staring down common
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sense just constantly and then seemingly
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just kind of swerving around
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common-sense and making something work
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for a little while
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there's no that's that's not something
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that you know we're supposed to applied
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but when I see people like that in my
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cat and you're you're mostly pulling
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this off
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yeah I admired him yeah i would I
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admired him and you know and I kind of
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loved him a little bit and the other two
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terrible thing is I don't remember his
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I you know this whole episode you might
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have never learned it seriously four
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years four months later I was back
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sitting in that same bar drinking in the
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afternoon
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what wondering like what had all just
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happens you know like I was sitting in
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the bar drinking in the afternoon and
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then two months later I was making six
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hundred dollars a night in illicit money
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I and running a like MDMA cocaine rave
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art gallery and then two months after
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that I was sitting back in the same bar
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and like and all those people were gone
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right like it had the height of that of
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the cap experience I probably knew by
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a hundred and fifty people that I hadn't
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known before and knew on-site 400 people
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and then four months later like all of
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those people
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God the only people that I ever saw
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again where Reggie Reggie and I ended up
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in the state in similar circles
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maybe a couple of other dudes that I
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hung on to for a few months and the
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lindsey buckingham guy was gone forever
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chase who knows what happened to him he
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could be he could be the fucking sheriff
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MDMA cafe when he was involved it's been
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a long time since then I bet he's
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learned a lot
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he's probably evolved is by working
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different shoe stores i feel like there
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if there are not 400 businesses called
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the offbeat cafe then I don't know
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anything about anything
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it's a missed opportunity you know what
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I mean like I bet every state in the
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Union has an offbeat cafe and I bet
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there are ones in other off be cafes in
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every english-speaking country in the
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world over and there's probably one in
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marbella spain
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I'm betting there's an offbeat cafe and
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i bet you there's an offbeat cafe in
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zagreb I don't know fascinated by the
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cocaine people i had what uh what i
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would consider like a pretty lonely
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planet bands with people you know him
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pretty well but you know you move more
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with these people than those people who
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play with this band not that fancy kind
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of know you know who's seen who you know
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who's living where and doing what and it
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was pretty good friends with a lot of
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people in this band scene where i used
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to live and I i don't know how i missed
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this but apparently tons of people were
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doing a lot of cocaine in the
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mid-nineties and I just didn't know it
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I i don't know how i missed it i feel
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like such a Rube but like a bunch of my
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really good friends were doing cocaine
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like some some folks are doing it every
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night and then there's a couple people
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they're doing at least once a week and
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I'm not trying to sound like you know
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like a schoolmarm or something but the
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weird part was that i'm such a dummy I
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didn't even pick up on it i guess i had
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you know people who have a full-time day
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job and run a bar every night me a
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little bump sometimes well I'm the thing
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but the thing about cocaine is very
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curious right it's the culture of it is
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predicated on the idea that you give
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somebody a look
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they give you a look back and then you
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sneak off into the bathroom together
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with the sex people it's a little bit
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like the second sex people know what to
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look for right if you're a sex person
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and you want to find another sex person
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to make sex with you can get pretty good
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at some people up pretty fast for sure
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is that right at well the thing is like
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some I was having this uh this
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conversation with a couple of people the
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other day where one of them was
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describing a former bandmate who was one
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of these sex people who would help
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because we were all talking about like
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yeah you know we're all in bands we are
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all on tour all the time and and yet
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there's an awful lot of loading and
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unloading of gear and an awful lot of
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standing around in offices that smell
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like bleach and not a ton of like having
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sex in a swing
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and this guy was how to clean that off
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with the bleach first this guy was
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talking about the drummer in his band
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and he was like he's one of those guys
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that you'll be sitting you'll be
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standing party will be talking to a girl
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on that you'll be making really great
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conversation to be enjoying her company
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you're thinking to yourself hey you know
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something is really coming together here
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between me and this girl and then the
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drummer walks in walks over says hey man
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how's it going
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looks at the girl she looks at him and
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he says you want to get out of here and
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she said yes and they're gone and that
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really happens happens
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and yet and so and my friends just like
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he we have we talked about it over and
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over again and he's like the trip the
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tremor predictably says yeah man it's an
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empty life you know it's a kind of a
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curse but it's like thinker the drum you
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know what fuck you
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but but you have to make the cook it is
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a little bit like the cocaine people in
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that sense of like when you are if
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you're a sex person like you're just
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going to always be looking out of the
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corner of your eye for something there's
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something that's gonna catch your eye
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and when those two fields of electricity
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start vibrating near each other then you
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then you go off and you have the sex
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yeah you go get you get the twinkle and
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I think of you I think of you are into
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cocaine and you have it think one of the
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keys is that if you have cocaine then
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you have a certain power which is that
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that a percentage of the people in the
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world want to do it and you have a thing
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that unlike pot like if you have pot
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there are a lot of people that want to
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get stoned with you but in a a big deal
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kind of like they're not always the
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there are not always the highest shelf
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highest caliber friend but if you have
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cocaine it puts you into this class of
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like now I can use cocaine to make
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friends your your uh you are a call
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brand friend that's right and if you are
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a person who will be friends with
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somebody for cocaine who then that too
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is a sort of energy that you are
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projecting it might not be a mistake
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that your your partners in in the club
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or salesman exactly because because the
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thing about sex people and cocaine
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people and salespeople is that the thing
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that they share that I the one part of
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all that awfulness that I really admire
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is that people who are really good at
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the sex and the cocaine and the selling
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is that they all seem to either not see
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the numerous barriers that I see
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everywhere more they just don't care
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well I think it's a third thing which is
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I think there are very few things in
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life very few pleasures of any kind of
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Merlin that you want enough to pretend
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to be friends with somebody that you
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don't like Rand likewise you do not
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desire to be friends with someone who
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wants to be friends with you because of
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something you can give them unless you
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have an understanding like these people
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to write as opportunistic and and like
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there have been times in my life when I
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have very much felt like I will be
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friends with you if you will have sex
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with me
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absolutely I will what do you mean is
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that is that is that I think it's simply
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that could be as simple as like well I
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really need to find somebody I'll be
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I'll pretend to be friends with anybody
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because my ride left and I need a way to
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get home it's just that you're not going
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to have that with that same velocity
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every night of your life and every
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afternoon morning of your life
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yeah and and in the marijuana department
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I was very very much a person who would
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be your friend if you would give me some
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pot and um and that was part of this the
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the kind of shame cloud that descended
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upon me over time because when I you
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know when i was first introduced upon I
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was like oh yeah part is cheap and um
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and it makes me want to play air guitar
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to side one of the Rolling Stones album
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sticky fingers but as time went on and
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pot cut its clutches on me and I was
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like I don't like not being stoned not
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being stoned is it is filling me with
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anxiety i would prefer to be stoned and
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I don't have any money
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so now i'm going to some guys house and
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he doesn't want to listen to sticky
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fingers he wants to listen to skinny
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puppy but i will listen to skinny puppy
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if he will smoke pot with me and then
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that guy realizes that and for whatever
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reason once somebody wants a friend to
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sit and listen to skinny puppy with him
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so then he would withhold the pot
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dangles it for hours and hours it's just
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like oh dude you've got to hear this
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latest Skinny Puppy album i'm like
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really there's another one yeah I'm like
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wow I'm super glad to hear it and we
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would listen to it and I just be sitting
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there I'm like I know you do I know this
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house is full of pop this house is built
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of pot take some out and put it in a box
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so that i can at least be stoned and
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listening to skinny puppy yeah so then I
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turned into one of those people and I
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and it and that's exactly as I say the
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caliber of me the caliber of my
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friendship and the caliber of of like
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what I was willing to endure just to
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have that stupid feeling of being high
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when really it's like ten dollars man
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you could just get to scrape ten dollars
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together and just go buy some pot I i
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I'm a slow learner
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but sometimes you get fixated not you
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but 11 gets fixated once you know I
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think that's pretty common
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did you ever buy pot yeah yeah yeah yeah
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first time I ever smoked pot was armed
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on the way to a cheap trick concert we
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drove into the bad part of town and
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bought what I now would recognize this
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like it's like a step above you know a
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regular whatever good green tissue paper
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that was a regular Braddock is it really
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it was like these guys have chosen a
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very smart place to sell their shitty
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pot which is a part of town that high
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school white high school students were
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terrified to be in and would get out of
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as quickly as possible
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it's a certain excitement of going there
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and buying their crappy pot it was awful
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and it didn't really take for a long
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time but now for a long time I you know
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not for long time even in college in
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college I would more often by the pot
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that was my my pot smoking period was
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mostly in college and I bought you know
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an okay amount of like a quarter bag for
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$45 yeah which back then was like the
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stuff to put you on the moon and today
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like that's the kind of thing you used
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to multiple aunt you write and a quarter
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was no small amount of pot that's what
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makes big black can make it last until I
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get a cold sore doing out of bed
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I haven't really other good times that's
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actually a stress bump it's not a course
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it's ok if I had a friend
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this is going to set this is going to
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see you know somebody wrote a review of
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our podcast the other day where they
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used the word they use the term
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questionable veracity which which was a
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little bit of a reach for their
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vocabulary wise anyway as in your
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stories are made up as in that there is
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some question as to what how true my
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stories on high by the part where people
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don't know when we're kidding i think
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that's fun
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yeah but I don't buy that part about the
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book i have to tell you listeners I
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can't prove these stories but i can tell
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you that these are by and large pretty
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much true well and the thing that that
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the thing that part really think that
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makes me mad is that I don't know
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whether he is a hundred percent clear on
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what veracity means oh you know I mean
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like he might have meant that they are
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you guys are no rush a rush a situation
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I think he was trying to say one thing
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and he ended up saying another
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think I don't fault him he was a very
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nice review ok but anyway this next
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story is gonna sound a little bit
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separations it's gonna sound a little
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bit Roderick on the line but I used to
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have a friend who worked at the
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community and I said the vaguest idea
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what that made up adjective even means i
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could not have heard all of our shows i
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have no fucking idea what that means it
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will be about Hitler will be about a
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train that gets stolen from movie idea
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no my friend was a was an ass it was
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some kind of like um like Secretariat at
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the Korean embassy and in Alaska
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nineteen seventies racehorse equal as he
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was in Seattle Slew really at heart he
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became he started out as an assistant
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and then he became part of the
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diplomatic corps i would love to be in
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the diplomatic corps of the Korean
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embassies and shit you can get away with
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if you're in the diplomatic corps of you
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tell you what you can get away with you
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can send me pot in by federal express
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with some kind of embassies because it's
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a dip with the call it a bad thing about
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a diplomatic pouch how true nobody's
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allowed to look at it that's cheating
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cheating or and I don't think that this
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maybe was all the way to being a
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diplomatic pouch but because it was
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coming from the Korean embassy it was in
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a special category of like don't mess
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around with this or or we just no one
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would think and so I was living in
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Seattle he was living in Alaska he had a
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pot-growing operation in addition to
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being a part of the part of like the
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inner circle because he worked his way
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in so that he became the ambassador's
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personal assistant or something he
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really had he was cooking in good with
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the with the ambassador and Alaska has a
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very large korean population so it's not
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like there are a lot of its not like
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every country has a diplomatic corps in
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Alaska but Korea does they have their
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own little and i'm not even sure if it's
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the Ambassador whether it was an
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attaché of
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I'm kind but in any case he would send
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me a huge bags of like pot that have
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been vacuum sealed and put into these
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like Korean embassy diplomatic pouches
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and they would be hand delivered to my
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Wow at a time when I had decided I no
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longer wanted to listen to skinny puppy
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I needed I needed more dignity than that
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you have your game and I had some had
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some people in high places this was this
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was a bump right because I didn't sink
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much lower later on where I couldn't you
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know where I was just it sounds too good
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to be true i was i was digging in the
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carpet looking for crack rocks that make
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sure it's Wilson yeah um but it but
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there was a high time there there was a
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literally and figuratively like will up
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a few high plateaus where I figured it
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out and I had it all going on and at one
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point it was that I was getting these
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diplomatic pouches from the Korean
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embassy full of pretty high grade
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matanuska thunderfuck say that again
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matanuska thunderfuck ok alright are you
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familiar with manuscript under fuck I is
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it is it some serious shit manuscript
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thunderfuck was very serious shit
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uh it was uh it was like the high high
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high Poobah of pots back in the day
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because it was grown in the Matanuska
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Valley which is worse
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sarah palin is from and uh the legend
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was that because the Sun is up so long
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in the summer in Alaska and because the
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because the soil is so dark and black
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because it's all glacial river bottom
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that it was like the first brand of
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super pot and I think the I think if
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you're in amsterdam now or if you're in
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if your pot connoisseur the strain
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that's known as Northern Lights that's
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the sort of common but this stuff looks
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pretty serious northern Northern Lights
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I feel like something from the wizard of
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oz yeah jesus i think if you put if you
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put the word matanuska into the into
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google even without him on the canvas
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wiki looking at right now
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even without the word thunderfuck if you
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just put matanuska in there you'll get
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about half a pot images but manuscript
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under fuck was when I was a kid like in
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a way a kind of um one of the Alaskan
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exports we were most proud of it was
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like yes we have internationally famous
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super bud that comes from just right
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north of Anchorage it's a it was
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powerful stuff now these days of course
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you know i think that the true marijuana
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heads are all smoking like weird MIT
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laboratory pot which like hydroponic
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government experiment pot yeah which and
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this is the problem with it like all
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that stuff that you're talking about
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that we're ditch weed that we used to
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buy and you'd smoke a joint of it and
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you get kind of hot like say she was
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just like somebody cut up sage and sold
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it a shake weight
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yeah shake right though that was a
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really pleasant kind of groovy buzz that
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you could go to a concert you can hang
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out it was a social buzz and this this
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chronic bud of now it turns everybody
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into a freaking zombie you have to be
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have to be a scientist to smoke it and
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even make toast to the pot the pot
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people are smoking today it back from
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Bill Cosby
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what these people smoke for their pot
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today is about it seems like it's about
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at the level of like we're acid was in
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the sixties where you can just sit there
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all day long like jelly bellies and and
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you know yes some goofy might happen but
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you know I but like that that's what we
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had and now today stuff today I'm sorry
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there's no thatthat's back when we were
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kids and stuff they've got today it just
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seems it seems just leveling just
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leveling just knock you out
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yeah yeah yeah yeah I never liked
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feeling that way i did not like feeling
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out of control with the pot know it's
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super hot out of control out of control
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with drinking is fun but hot is way out
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of control for me because you get heart
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palpitations you start to meet the
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number of people i can imagine i can
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imagine almost anything being wrong with
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me when you are super super big no yeah
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oh yeah like there's a lot of things
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that are about to go really wrong
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well it's it's that it's the hilarious
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trope of like I think this pot is laced
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with PCP people are people cannot
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believe how stoned and out of control
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and freaked out you can get on pot and
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so they have invented this hilarious
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story where they think that pcp dealers
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are wasting perfectly good PCP and
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putting it on pot on normal pop and just
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sending it out there and you can put it
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on the shredder racers and people that
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smoke it right i mean it doesn't need to
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be on good pot well and I think the
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logic of the idea was that pcp dealers
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will get you hooked on PCP and then
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you'll come crawling back for more if
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they sprinkle it on
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oh I see I get it or that again in
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people's like overactive imaginations
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somehow pcp dealers are sociopaths who
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enjoy the idea of getting people freaked
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out on PCP not that they can see it's
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just happening in dorm rooms they're
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essentially dosing them their dosing
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them but not but they're not they don't
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even get to enjoy the experience of
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watching them trip out there just don't
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think them and just sitting somewhere in
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their pcp van
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contented with the knowledge that they
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are fucking with kids I mean all of it
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is of course false no one has ever ever
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ever ever ever sold pcp laced pot for
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the price of pot you could get pcp laced
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pot if you paid extra for the some
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people do get the PCPD on purpose take
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it still
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yeah you know one time I was standing
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with a group of guys on Northern Lights
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boulevard in anchorage alaska which was
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the strip where we cruised cruising
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strip know what I'm saying
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yeah the script this trip with
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decreasing yeah that's right it's the
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cruising strip Northern Lights one way
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and bends in the other way and we were
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parked in them in the middle there's a
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block between northern lights and Benson
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we're parked somewhere in the middle
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there across from bob's big boy and I
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was with a couple of guys one of them
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had a brand-new Audi and the other guy
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had a had borrowed his dad's Corvette
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and we were we're hanging out and there
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was a group of about 10 of us sitting
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around and this was this was the first
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time that you know the Corvette was
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still kind of the car then matter to
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people in the eighties i guess i'm not
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sure maybe not but in any case we're
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sitting there kind of cruising we're
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watching the cruisers go by and we're
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smoking pot or drinking beer and we're
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having a good time and this guy walks up
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who's like a little bit older and he's
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like hey you guys you know what's going
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sits and talks to us for a while and
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we're like a little suspicious of this
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guy but but it's Saturday night we're
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having a good time and he seems I guess
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cool that's not so sure he's like hey
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here you guys like to party we're like
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how we like to party and he says you
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want to hit of what I'm smoking and
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we're all sitting there smoking pot and
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it seemed like a gesture of
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[Music]
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friendly pot like pop culture friend
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exchange yeah like here have a hit of my
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pot I'll take a hit of your pot and so
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he hands the pipe to my friend shannon
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and shadows like sure to get your bottom
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and we're still this guy's there's
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something there's a vibe about this guy
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that's not a hundred percent but this
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was at an age when you would take a hit
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off of a pipe of a guy that you didn't
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feel a hundred percent confident about
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what's the worst thing that can happen
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yeah and so Shannon takes a hit of the
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pipe and he go he you know he kind of
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looks at the guy and he's like hey man
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what is that and the guy is like be like
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it and shadows like you know like cops
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out a big thing smoking is like hey dude
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that's not cool and the guy splits like
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just heal and toes it down the sidewalk
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and you know and we're kind of sitting
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there in the dark and and Shannon's like
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oh man what the fuck was that
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and we're all like what what wasn't he's
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like oh no I don't know about that and
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he was very touch-and-go for a while and
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he was he
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we came to the conclusion that it was
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PCP and he sort of like we we watched
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him and he was you know he was a guy
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that was not unfamiliar with every kind
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of drug and he ended up being somebody
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who would many years later I think to
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pcp maybe not habitually but on purpose
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sometimes you know he never turned his
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nose up at a thing um but but I had that
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experience and then later on when i was
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working at the offering there was a guy
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who played guitar in a band called mock
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turtle mock turtle spelt ma CH ouchies
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and they were upon visit alex and i was
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hoping his post-rock know this was pre
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post right it was Punk and he went on a
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pcp trip back up
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at times and at one point fell down a
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flight of stairs and at one point
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through his guitar out the window just
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like art Linkletter his daughter was
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running around naked screaming and
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something about his dad
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oh god yeah tough times mock turtle
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nocturnal huh
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I'm glad I'm s2 clear that stuff I i
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I've got to go back to the diplomatic
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bag for a minute diplomatic pouch
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certain protections used for carrying
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official correspondence here in the
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second sentence is what gets me the
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physical concept of a quote-unquote
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diplomatic bag is flexible and therefore
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can take many forms EG a cardboard box
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briefcase duffel bag large suitcase
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crate or even a shipping container a
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shipping container can be a diplomatic
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pouch shipping container can be a
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diplomatic pouch can I mean this is
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along the lines of like fucking buying
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indulgences you know this is one of
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those completely phony baloney
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make-believe concepts that is its so
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goddamn brilliant
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it's like the it's like the Espionage
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version of like a bag of holding and I
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don't think it's not like somebody from
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both sides has to be there to watch you
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put it in and say like oh no this is
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definitely something top secret nobody
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should know about you just get to by
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Fiat declare this a diplomatic bag you
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get a limit on a certain square-like
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diplomatic bag per year per country you
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can drive a Cadillac with Jimmy Hoffa
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and danny devito dead in the back and I
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don't miss that little guy it into into
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a shipping container call it a
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diplomatic power diplomatic pouch and
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drop it into the ocean somewhere
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it seems like a like a really missed
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opportunity here it's just it's he hits
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like I wonder what it would take to
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basically to get almost everything
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declared a diplomatic bag think about
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like not having to pay tariffs you know
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this is the question this is the
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Illuminati question we don't know what
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we don't know
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oh my god you just blew my mind you know
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you and i you and i keep talking about
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how there are no conspiracies that have
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survived yeah then we get a lot of we
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get a lot of chemtrails style you know
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some people telling us that we don't
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know what conspiracies have survived
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because they have survived to keep
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stuffing them into a diplomatic pouch I
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don't get to see him
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that's right who knows what's who knows
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what's buried in the bottom of the ocean
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dramatic parts that somebody pushed off
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the back of a boat shipping container is
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Big John
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well yeah but I mean did you see the
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movie where Robert Redford sales around
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the world alone on a sailboat and every
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bite his arm off announcing that 10 yeah
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he runs into a shipping container that's
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floating out there in fact when they
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were looking for that Malaysian airliner
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they kept finding pieces of debris in
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the ocean and then with a zoom in on
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it's just a shipping container full of
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tennis shoes that fell off the back of a
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boat it's just floating out there that's
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amazing you think you need like a
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special seal like how do they know it's
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like officially like somebody had to
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give this some kind of an official okie
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dokie to make the the bag or the
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shipping container turn into a
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diplomatic bag that's that's a pretty
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big deal it's one thing to say oh I'm
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going to go park wherever I feel like I
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was a huge thing in san francisco was
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people just like somebody i think this
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one is from Saudi Arabia had like I
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think thousands and thousands of dollars
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in tickets because this guy was just
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fucking with people buy parking like a
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fountain or whatever haha you can't do
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anything because of the diplomatic
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immunity right diplomatic immunity think
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that was I think that was the turning
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point where the the plot point of a lot
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of a tease cop dramas i think it was
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that's right you can't look at what was
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the what was the beverly hills cop
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oh that was a that was a situation where
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the guy was getting through custom
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that's where you put the pot in coffee
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you put the pot in coffee that's right
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for that surely put drugs in john deere
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bands all the German bearer bonds of
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everyone the bear box scheisse hole
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which was also the plot of diehard
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during never had problems right where
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they need to be painted the the the lock
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on the safe to disengage brilliant
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everyone's ya see German bearer bonds
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I've been doing it all wrong the bearer
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bonds vulnerable i feel like i feel like
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there is not that much oversight in what
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someone calls a diplomatic pouch i did
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is i think has been controversies in the
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past and it was not a big issue for all
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a couple years ago where somebody open
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diplomatic bag and does not happen
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sometimes something gets mad because
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somebody in North Korea open the
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diplomatic bag or something
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no I i have not been up on like the
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diplomatic bag blogs
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what if what if you found some way
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nothing to do this in a legal way but it
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seems to me that you would get through
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tsa a lot faster to do you still have to
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do a lot of flying this summer you know
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you need to get some diplomatic bags
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you might have to go through tsa you
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might just hold up the bag and they're
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waving through the only way to see it
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I've you know the the other day I went
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to sea tac airport for the grand opening
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of the sub pop store and had that on
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your calendar for a while
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well you know I like I'm friends with
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the with the sub pop your feet on his
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desk at one point that's right he and I
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he and i were were fast friends but
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Megan Jasper who is the executive vice
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president of Sub Pop she and I both sit
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on the Seattle music Commission together
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so we see each other all the time and I
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Megan invited some of us down to the
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grand opening of the sub pop store in
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the airport which required that we go
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through the airport as employees so we
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all met we rendezvous dat a part of the
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airport I had never really been to it
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hadn't occurred to me to go explore like
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the part of the airport that is being
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marketed as a convention center because
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apparently you can have a convention at
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the airport now and up a person from the
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airport métis took us in an elevator i
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had never seen before we went down four
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flights chemtrails ordower the basement
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of the airport
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well now we went to a door where
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somebody looked at us on a TV screen you
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know the airport had a basement
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I didn't holy shit wait there's more
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each person that was escorting a group
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of people through this door could only
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take three people with them so there had
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to be there like nine of us there to be
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three escorts and each escort went
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through the door separately so they talk
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to the person on the TV screen there
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like I'm bringing these three people and
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the door buzzed and they went in and
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then the next group and the next group
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and then you're in this incredible
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baggage Warren where it's under the
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building it's completely inside the
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building but all those baggage carts and
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trucks are driving on streets with stop
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lights and intersections and stuff all
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on there's like it looks like one of
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those ups distribution centers the way I
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mean it sounds like a like a Bond
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villain hideout waiting to happen
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absolutely chutes and ladders totally
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going on down there and then so we had
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to wait until we could get across this
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busy street under the building and then
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we went outside onto the tarmac up a
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flight of stairs and outside flight of
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stairs and then use the key card to open
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a door and then we were just in the
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terminal as if we were normal regular
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people except we were surrounded by
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people who had like official badges and
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we were clearly very special people and
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I was like wow this is some serious
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heavy duty in and out if you have the
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right card you can go all around the
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airport right and i think if you are
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carrying diplomatic pouches maybe you're
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going in a different door i'm not sure i
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can't imagine a guy with a special
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diplomatic pouch headed for whose becca
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Stan that he has to put that pouch on
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them on the conveyor belt right possibly
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not i mean it seems like you almost
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would like get the equivalent of a note
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like you would get some kind of thing we
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like a don't make a big deal i got a
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diplomatic pouch you may not have a
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handcuffed to your wrist but it seems
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like I bet you get you get good to go
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through a special line now it's just so
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much amazing about what you just
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described it also doesn't sound like
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something they do all that often that
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Cena exposing you to all that luggage
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down there it just seems like they're
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showing your way too much together into
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a sub pop store
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yeah well I it seems like if you are
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somebody who works at the airport there
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is a way that you go in every day and
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you should you go in through a back door
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and you end up working at the
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at the chipotle er whatever it is at the
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airport right i mean all those people
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have to get into the airport so that i
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think about it a lot but this was a this
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was a a route
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I mean I think they may be worth showing
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off a little bit i'm not exactly sure
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but it was it was a glimpse into the
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literally the bowels of the airport then
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I never thought I would see that is so
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cool i was excited how's the house the
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store and pop store
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yeah I have to give it two thumbs up uh
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it they are selling long winters vinyl
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there is it really like is it is it one
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of those where they act like it's the
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store but it's really just mostly place
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for designing waters in Details magazine
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i know it's it they have they have this
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fantastic selection of very cool stuff
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and it is like it's complete you are in
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the Seattle Airport and you don't go to
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the supplement store your ding-a-ling to
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like shirts shirts and they have damaged
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an entire wall of vinyl you can buy any
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like the last time i was in there i
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bought super funds big muff and bleach
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and ultimate alternative waivers all on
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vinyl I narrow any of those things on
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vinyl before you sent for your kitchen i
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miss upon record it's right and they're
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there tote bags there there there are
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sub pop branded neck pillows
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it's pretty good it's pretty funny stuff
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and they um they say that they're like
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they're making money along a long time
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before they thought they were and a lot
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more than maple and your friends of
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these people John it sounds like cocaine
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talk i imagine the rent on that place
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has got to be astronomical
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he even imagine what the rental place
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like that must be well yeah except think
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about all the places that are selling
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like stuffed orcas and canned salmon in
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the Seattle Airport it's not it you know
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like for all the for all the beats by
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dr. dre that gets old
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um there are a lot of people making
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money trying to make money just selling
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like the most garbagey crap and bananas
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and Richard here tho dolls
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yeah exactly and and the sub pop store
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the like the manager of it the main guy
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is Mark pickles the drummer of the
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Screaming Trees what
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so if you go in there all the people
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that are that are working at the sub pop
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like see no greater ar-ar-ar like actual
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rock stars that's hilarious
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are you screaming trees fan I'd i'm not
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super familiar
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yeah yeah they're very good oh my
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goodness what you couldn't guess that
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home we had your feet up on that guy's
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desk never would've guessed well and I
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can I try to make that joke i thought
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that it was very funny to make a joke
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like wow we really come a long way from
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you know he's famously disputed a lot of
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your stories the veracity of your
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stories in the past has a the Jonathan
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Parliament is that the guy
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yeah he and I I you know it was that was
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my first exposure to to somebody saying
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everything I wanted someone to say to me
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like we talked about wanting to be
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proved right or validated Jonathan
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Parliament came up to me after our third
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show is the Hurricanes there's the
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Western State hurricanes and said you
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are the future of rock and roll
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that's number one that was like no dude
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look yes thank you and he was like I'm i
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want to take you to lunch tomorrow and I
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was like okay and you know he was a
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famous sky in seattle and he took me to
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lunch and we laughed and we had fun and
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he's very smart and he said listen
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there's no there's nobody in rock that's
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doing what you're doing and it needs it
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rock'n'roll needs it and I was like tell
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me more about this tell me more about
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how rock-and-roll needs me he was like
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rock-and-roll needs you and this was but
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this was in the kind of the dark years
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of sub pop right between I mean was pre
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resurgence pre shins pre and post like
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Singles Club and stuff like that post
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singles club it's right in the priest
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brothers era writer the stone mountain
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um there was an era already kind of
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diversifying tip yeah six or seven years
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there where they weren't really having
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very many hits and they were playing
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that they were making a lot of different
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kinds of you
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but before they started having hits
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again because the next generation of
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bands to come out on sub-options
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post-service band of horses you know
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whatever fleet foxes I mean they had
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hits and hits and hits in the two
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thousands but in 1998 it was still it
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was still kind of a weird time and he
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really so that's when Suppan it was
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putting records there
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yes that's crazy zutano was not selling
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yeah I know it's hard even google them
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there were some great bands but they
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bring our friend Sean and I think might
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be the only still standing Zampano super
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fans in the world i love them so much of
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a pretty big ben because of because I
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got into them you know reverse following
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AC newman i went back and figured out
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Zapata oh it was after mathematics went
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back it was yeah well it was after it
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was after that first in AC newman solo
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record why
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really yeah that thing is die don't like
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I got a I got a great video of my
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daughter dancing to like a hit man like
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a dancer which is about two years old to
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dance the day and doesn't don't don't
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don't don't don't kind of mention one
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thing John passing his last sentence of
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the opening paragraph it is often the
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diplomatic bag it is often escorted by a
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diplomatic courier is similarly immune
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from arrest and detention going me know
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what you want now i know that's a power
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that you would only use for good i'm
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just saying if you wanted to start up a
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cocaine rave right Faye with with that
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was emerging Jackson playing playing
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playing piano is our 2nd base that's
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right because the other he had you could
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you could be hit so much you were
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carrying something that said diplomatic
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bag on it they couldn't arrest you
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so in this sense the courier is an
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extension of the bag
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which is an extension of the the
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Admiralty of the other kind of the
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country of the sovereignty
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that's right it is a samedi is it is
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you're like the long erect wang of
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america and nobody is allowed to put the
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cuffs on that way you're holding onto
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the bag and as long as you hold onto the
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bag holding eight you have the power of
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the nation
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the nation
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it could be it could be full of like
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ritz crackers it doesn't matter
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you better shake it you got it is back
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especially if you have handcuffed to
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your hand I'm just saying I think
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ninety-nine percent of diplomatic bags
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are full of cocaine has to be
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