Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► hello hey John [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going pretty good and [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► everything's different [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► yeah always a change i don't so [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► different right now everything's [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► different yeah you know it's like [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► Heraclitus says you can never dip your [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► foot into the same skype [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► mm-hmm if you sit on the bridge and [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► watch the skype go buy it will always be [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► a new skype well and yet it's and yet [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► it's always the same skype [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► by the time I see a cloud that looks [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► like something and I call my daughter [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► over it doesn't look like that anymore [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► you know that it's been so long since I [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► looked up at a cloud and saw a dog or [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► talk or whatever it is like I don't I [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► had that i have not had that experience [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► in a long time and I think it might be [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► that the clouds in Seattle first of all [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► these guys are always blue and see all [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► the bliss guys ever seen if memory [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► serves our internet that's right that's [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► right but the living room / actually [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► into seattle who carried along [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► yeah I'm sure period comma been to [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► everywhere he traveled a lot [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► you know those guys that generation of [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► guys there banging showgirls to a time [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► what time what do i wear but uh but when [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► there are clouds here they don't look [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► like anything they just look like they [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► look like film on a soup [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► yeah this is the time of year the really [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► depressing time here in San Francisco [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► where we just have one continuous cloud [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► that's called the weather [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► yeah and as far as you know it goes to [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► japan yeah as far as you know it just it [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► starts at your house and it goes to [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► japan [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► yeah it's a super SuperDuper weird innit [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► we haven't talked again it's been a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► while we had a little love little by [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► period you've been traveling a lot and [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► and I got some things on a card here i [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► want to ask you about I want to go for [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► things on a car was gonna toss these out [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and it's a little bit old school like [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► that fever [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► I've got your office on about your fever [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► your office your assistance if you want [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► to talk about it and all the President's [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► Men okay in that order [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► todd you know you can ask the last one [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► first if you want how you were you were [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► you were down so I had a very strange [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► fever so you know a fever that uh that I [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► could not account for and now in [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► retrospect i do feel like i had i do [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► feel like i had an unusual um illness [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► but it coincided with four very hot days [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► know so i was i was tossing around [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► feverish and you know just the like that [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► thing you get in the night where you [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► wake up and you just your whole bed is [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► just a us a puddle [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► yeah you're like there's no way I could [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► get comfortable but I don't want to go [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► anywhere else because I'm just gonna [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► ruin whatever that is [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► yeah but then of course it's also like [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► 85 degrees at night and a and so that [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► explains some of it but what what the [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► problem is is that since I stopped [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► eating gluten uh all of my normal like [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► like measurements of illness have to [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► change because i used to get you know [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► these terrible sinus infections and [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► since I stopped eating gluten i have not [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► had a single sinus infection Wow [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► and so I'm i have that i have this flu [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► basically is probably what it was some [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► kind of you know some mild bird flew [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► over small bird a small breasts yeah [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► just like actually chickadee birdie or [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► yeah a goldfinch you know your [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► adventures are the washington state bird [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► goldfinch writing that down it didn't [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► have that goldfinch um but but but so i [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► have this sickness and i'm waiting for [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► it to develop secondary symptoms i'm [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► waiting to sit with my head all clogged [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► and coughing up big you know Esther's [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► and just like terrible cold and it and [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► it never met estate sizes into my normal [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► cold [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► and so you know i know from colds i know [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► a lot of cold the and so I sit there and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► I'm like what kind of illness is this [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► this isn't it this is this is like in [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► one sense terrible it hurts but in [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► another sense it's not it's not [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► producing any of the the next level like [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► stuff where I'm really uncomfortable [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► right and so anyway it's gone now and I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► and I did it [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► vaya con Dios on to the next person but [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► but you know you have to recalibrate [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► it's a different bar now you you had [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► just gotten used to this long slog of [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► co-leaders used to get em fair amount of [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► coals right i did i had a lot of colds [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► yeah you know you you drive yourself [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► pretty hard it's true but but [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► so normally what would happen is i would [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have a I would have a five-day fever [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► like that and then no matter what I did [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► if I spent five days if I spent five [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► days curled up in a rag toast and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► antibiotics at the end of five days [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► no matter what happens no matter what [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► else I could have I could spend 15 days [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► sick and then at the end of that period [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► then i would get a sinus infection and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► and a lung infection out and I would and [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► then I would have to spend another you [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► know eight to ten days clearing that out [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► it just it just happened like clockwork [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► so that so that it almost felt like when [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► I got a cold [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► I should just go run in the rain because [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► no matter what i did i was going to get [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► this next level of of illness as you get [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► older you get used to that rhythm it's [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► like when you realize you're getting [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► stressed bump and you like bring it on [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► yeah you know I don't want to wait you [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► know I'm gonna pop this i'm not going to [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► wait six days but this thing to be more [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► lingering on my mouth covered my face [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► with sores covered let's do this thing [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► let's do it let's go but so now [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► mmm he said that you sounded you sound [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► very healthy inhale you know I my vital [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► young guy in his in his early middle age [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► now I mean I sometimes i have to get up [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► five times at night to pee [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► yeah but I was complaining about that [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► the other day to my mom I was like I [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► don't know i need i think i need to see [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► a doctor haven't been to a doctor and a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► couple of years I think I should go and [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► she's like why do you need to see a [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► doctor [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► that's exactly the kind of innovation [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► and I like and I said you know what mom [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► I'm a middle-aged guy middle-aged guys [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► have to go to the doctor sometimes [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► because because things happen to them [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and she was like a doctors are all back [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► wax and I said seriously I you know I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► have to get up a lot of times in the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► night to pee and she said welcome to [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► middle a shit and I was like oh god the [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► process is started talking about health [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► with people it's certainly talking about [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► birth or like bad relationships [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► everybody's got their like horror story [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► about the person you know if he hadn't [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► uh if I hadn't blown my boyfriend found [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► his funny ball he never would have [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► discovered he had cancer when he was 27 [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► that late and like first of all I do not [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► want to feel my balls i had two friends [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► that totally got to stick you lurk [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► answer in their twenties [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► really oh yeah big day did they have [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► their balls taking em well I think [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► that's part of the process i think i was [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► only one ball [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► yeah that house that Hitler I'm not I've [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► never said I don't know [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► sure I'll have one more he and I don't [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► go like to the locker rooms or anything [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the Sinai Hitler had only one big o [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► Himmler had to but they were small no [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► killer had something similar i need to [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► go back to school but i'm gonna figure [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► about you that I need more people like [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► your mom around me just say listen leave [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► it you do not need to go to those people [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► well because you know i i'm also prone [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► to I mean I don't Adam I don't want this [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► show to turn into just some kind of show [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► for the ladies but I am prone to moles [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► to moles [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► oh you know people tell you to worry [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► about moles I got a little more over [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► here I got a little moreover they watch [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► your moles you get a chart you can [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► measure them see if they have an uneven [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► surface [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► mhm so enjoy and we're supposed to worry [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► about I've been getting moles my old [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► life and every new girlfriend I would [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► have would be like you didn't used to [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► have this mole and i would say a pretty [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► sure there was something there pretty [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► sure was some kind of mobile a rapport [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► and she was like yeah but it never [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► looked like this before [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► yeah I'd be like [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure it looked like something [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► like that before and she's like exactly [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► that's the problem [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► they're not supposed to change and so [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► they would hustle me off to some doctor [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► and I'd go sit in his lot of his office [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► with my shirt off and he would look at [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► the moles and go dad that's not a [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► problem that's not a bad mole and i [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► would say why don't you tell me what the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► bad balls look like so that I can [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► reassure people and he would say well [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► you know it's more it's kind of like [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► it's kind of like Supreme Court [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► definition of porn you know when you see [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► it right and I'm like that's no no you [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► know it when you see it so tell me what [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► it is that this isn't some likes this [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► isn't some Masonic ritual that you have [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► to keep concealed from people [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► he's going to get the business either [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► way yeah give me the five points that i [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► should be looking for his listicle on is [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► 77 surprising moles yeah you're not [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► going to believe what metastasize next [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► and he says well you don't you know if [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► they change and I'm like well they don't [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► they all change this one changed and you [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► didn't have a problem he's like well [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► they're uneven and I'm like there aren't [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► even there there there moles can cut out [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► there not fucking pie plates they're [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► moles exchanged a change the change [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► he's like well if there be if they're [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► black you know these are dark enough and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I was like oh I see it's a it's a [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► pigment scale and then you know what I [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► did then I just stopped giving a shit [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► about it every one of my moles takes [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► over then that will be my superpower [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► yes i'll be the mole will be the man is [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► already a moment but you came down [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► here's the thing with doctors you know I [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► feel like you're describing is perfectly [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► because I feel like whatever sentence [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► comes out of a doctor's mouth tacitly [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► always ends with comma dummy that's not [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► a mole dummy you get your moles checked [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► dummy in bed in bed haha i feel this way [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► about doctors and lawyers and that hall [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► and make an appointment you gotta find [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► parking [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► there John there's always forms to fill [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► out there was no many forms [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► you don't have the time they send you to [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► a different doctor it's like you know [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the story tell me the stories like well [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► you should go see this guy ear nose and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► throat guy like ah now i gotta make [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► another appointment [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► it's like going to bestbuy and you think [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► I fuck I gotta buy a USB cord and you go [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► there like hmm yeah I could be USB cord [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► but you should probably go to the apple [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► store and you know they got to sing to [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► the specialist and that's a whole thing [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and there and that this may be a part of [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► this maybe part of the problem of who we [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► are and our unchecked white privilege [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► but i have never heard a thing come out [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► of a doctor or a lawyer mouth but I [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► didn't feel like yeah I knew that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► already [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► and also I could have figured that out [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► and about in about 20 minutes if I [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► didn't if I hadn't come in here thinking [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► that you were a magic source of her you [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► know I mean like what's the answer to [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► this problem [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► oh hmm it's it's pretty much what I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► thought and we you know we imbue these [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► people with magic powers because of [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► their what three years in school I have [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► fucking sandwiches in my refrigerator [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► that are older than three years or less [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► and three years in school as i get older [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► as and I know you know this already i do [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► not think that three years in school is [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► that big of a deal [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► they're also very young a lot of them so [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► yeah I think of a doctor is being an [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► old-ass man no privilege involved but [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► I'm just saying when you meet people who [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► are really young and they still and [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► their sentences with a question [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► myocardial infarction I had a doctor [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► like that a doctor hulu get looked at me [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► like well here's what the first thing I [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► had a doctor who looked at me like he [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► was afraid of me that's just setting a [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► tone [TS]

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00:13:42 ◼   ► supporting Roderick online we could not [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► do without i do not want my doctor to be [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► afraid of me and this guy with he was [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► young he was small he had you know he [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► had been to he i think he went to [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► medical school in Guiana like I didn't [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► there was nothing about it [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► nothing went down there for a couple [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► weeks and decided to just get an MD [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► while he was there [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► I'm sure he got I'm sure his MD is from [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► a reputable school like the University [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► of Pennsylvania mm but whatever it was [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► it would they did not teach him in [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► medical school not to like be visibly [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► afraid of of your patients and so [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► probably smaller they're the people you [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► know what if they are not smaller in [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► Pennsylvania out like down in Guyana if [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► he was in the guyanese they're probably [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► you know they're probably smaller they [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► probably have more interesting [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► constellations of moles they're not used [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► to have a pair of a man like you [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that's right they're not used to submit [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and I mean honestly I did have a bowie [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► knife sticking out of my side when I [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► walked in so that was that me maybe [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► intimidated him at first [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► painting again st.martin arrow yeah yeah [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► I got into I've got into a little little [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► disagreement little fisticuffs with a [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► guy down in front of the toyota [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► dealership should've seen the other guy [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► i can activate at my oil changed here so [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► I was not like i would get my oil [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► changed the toyota dealership that's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► another example of something you know [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► you never take that part of the deal and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► you have changed here dummy [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► my wife needs oil changed on our car and [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► she's supposed to take it to the [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► dealership right because they have the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► tension bored so they have the 10w30 [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► point five or whatever up and everything [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► done mounted by the way warranty if you [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► don't fix the viscosity did you know [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► that Volkswagens have a special [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► quote-unquote auntie theft a nut on [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► there on their wheels so you know you've [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► got your you got your five or six bolts [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► that hold your wheel on one of them you [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► know the five of them are are a normal [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► both that you can remove with a with a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► tire iron and one of them is a special [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► star bolt and in order to remove it you [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► have to have a special star a adapter [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► yeah and so I borrowed a Volkswagen [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► actually a long time ago and you get a [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► flat tire on one of these things nobody [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► can change it even triple they can't [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► help you [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► wow if you don't have the star bolt [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► which of course is the first thing that [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► every box wagon owner loses right i mean [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► how are you going to keep ahold of this [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► little thing [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► gosh and how it must be very very [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► difficult to find a star bolt wrench [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► well you can put a normal wrench into [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the star bolt just saying if you're if [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► you're somebody who's really into [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► stealing tires off of Volkswagens that [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► sounds like something you'd want to get [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► for your kit [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► well oh ho here's the deal [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► they make me this is why it's not so [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► simple they make multiple different [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► kinds of star bolt that's how they get [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► exactly so you is so if you go to the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► books by a dealership and say I need a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► star bolt wrench [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► they're like what kind of startled you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► got [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► and there's no way to know that you have [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► to bring it into the place and show them [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► and then they can go into their enormous [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► been parts bit of startled fuck thinks [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► that is a good idea is that really that [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► much of a problem that you would [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► introduce that much deliberate [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► inconvenience to the consumer experience [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► because I just say John clear mind our [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► cars volkswagen it's a recent volkswagen [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► so we probably have a star bolt that you [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► have a star bolt or maybe they may be [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► star bolts were only thing that they [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► used from 90 to 99 or so I'm sure hope [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► so but star bolts [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► uh yeah yeah that's exactly the question [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► I was like is this [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► are we the Griswolds like off the road [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► somewhere in Baltimore like who steals [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► tires [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► whoo-hoo anymore steals a wheel of a car [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► that was the last time you saw a car up [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► on blocks used to see them all the time [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► well you know I'm not a physician John [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► but and I don't have the demographic [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► data in front of me but i would have to [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► say i would rather have the prospect of [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► some diligent persons potentially [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► stealing a wheel than knowing that if [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► we're on the side of freezing road we [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► can't change my goddamn can change our [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► got them tires are you know that was one [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► of the major plot points not guess not [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► major plot point but it was a minor plot [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► point of Smokey and the Bandit right [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► oh yeah i was just reading about smoking [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► ban the other day [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► yeah those kids pull over and they're [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► they're taking the they're taking my [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► wheels off of up the car they got left [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► behind by after what happened something [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► happened and they're stealing the wheels [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► and then sheriff a p40 justice justice [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► pulls up and give them and give them a [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► good talking-to it was a real satisfying [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► moment sumbitch up you're seeing that [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► movie down like 40 v 0 where they take [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the squares out huh [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► it's one of those ones like the big [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► lebowski or glengarry glen ross the [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► really is a joy to see on TBS is because [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► it really it big lebowski I think they [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► deliberately put in you know they change [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► stuff like you know [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► yeah this is what that this is what [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► happens you know when you fuck someone [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the ass into this is what happens when [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you fuck a stranger in the alps haha i [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► think that's the color is having a [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► little fun with us but uh I was a you [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► know our our good friend David Rees has [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► at all right now God my daughter and I [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► now argue over who has a bigger crush on [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► yeah that's 4sho I don't like to talk [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► about media and media but I'm just [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► telling you that that is a goddamn gift [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► from heaven that show it's an amazing [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► I when he came he seemed like a perfect [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► delight he is that he's the best and he [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► appears on the show exactly as as he is [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that is how he is in normal times like [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's clear it's clear from watching him [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► that he's not putting on a thing like [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► that so he really wants a better [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► shoelace [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► yes he does like a live but I spent last [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► night looking at the internet at all of [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► the people complaining that David said [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► god damn there's nothing man you yeah I [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► can't even believe if you've ever read [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► get your war on I can't even believe how [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► that guy's holding back on that show [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► oh absolutely he is abby is with puppy [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► is a profane motherfuckers like the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► father from Christmas Story I mean he he [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► paints in rich tapestries of cursing but [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► as the thumb as the as he was doing the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► paper airplane episode and he was like [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► god damn he said something like that [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► and I and I swear to you there are [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► dozens and dozens of people who are like [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► I will never watch this program again i [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► will know you know my kids I had to take [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► my kids down into the basement and spray [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► them with a fire hose for a half an hour [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► to wash god damn out of their ears [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► that's I'm kind of surprised because [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► that is one that's one of those weird [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► like corner cases that's one that really [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► gets some people who could stand even [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► some you know poopy vagina talk like and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► would not do not like to hear that one [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► that one really grind some people skiers [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► yeah it's a tough but it's it's it's [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► their line in the sand right i mean you [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► can say shit all day [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► yeah but you take the Lord's name in [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► vain that is one of the things that it [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► says in the book noticing them but not [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► did all the musical point as the musical [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► you see the party whole see the party [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► whole episode you know i miss the party [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► whole episode I was a little bit you [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► know whenever somebody has a party whole [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► yeah and I'm not in it [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► yeah I feel a little bit like oh okie [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► dokie i watch your show right up to the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► party whole park [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► ya know he designed himself it's it's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► it's quite a mission have you met him [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► for I feel like I move in his circles [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► somewhat but i don't think i've ever met [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► him you see he's like why our friend mr. [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► Hodgman you must have met him at some [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► point well not only have i met him but [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► he is so on the first jonathan coulton [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► Cruz david and i had already met the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► first time we met was upstate [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► Massachusetts somewhere in a undisclosed [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► location but on the first on the first [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► jonathan coulton Cruz David and I were [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► both on the boat solo I had no I didn't [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► bring anybody was pregnant and couldn't [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► go on the boat [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► oh my god I just I just I just said her [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► name [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► yeah i think yet we've done 200 episodes [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► yeah um anyway so David and I get on the [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► boat and he comes over he's like well I [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► guess where crews wives and I was like [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► Cruz wives and he's like yeah you gotta [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► cruise wife or even aware at the time [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► how much smarter it was to not bring [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► anybody because I understand talking [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► about numerous people that it's hard to [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► know how much it's a good idea to not [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► bring anybody see is no we were thrilled [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► we were thrilled and we had the first [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► cruise was a magical time for us because [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► we went to Jamaica together we were like [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► we're not going on the normal tour and [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► we went off into the town and we like [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► decided that we were going to find a [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► restaurant that served like barbecued [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► goat and we found some go and we had and [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► we you know we like we we had a big [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► adventure but and we went snorkeling [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► both of us kind of for the first time in [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► a long time and we're out snorkeling on [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and we went not in the area that were [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► supposed to but in the off-limits area [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and then I look over at one point and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► david has taken off his swimsuit because [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► he wanted to snorkel like a like his [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► natural like fish self and so he's naked [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► snorkeling around and I was like well I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► guess that's what we're doing so then I [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► was naked snorkeling and we're just like [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► this is the best how could how can we [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► ever go back to the real world so so the [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► first Joe Cruz was a was we were very [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► close [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► and then on subsequent Joe Cruz i [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► started bringing my family and David [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► started doing a thing which amazes me to [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► this day each cruise he's brought one [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► old friend from high school and each [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► Cruz has been a different guy and every [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► one of those guys has been an amazing [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► weird Southern gothic and just sort of [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► like nutcase but they're all amazing [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► smart incredible sort of David rician [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► type of people I've never met a guy who [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► who knew as many nutty people as David [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► Rees does although I guess that makes [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► wow yeah you'd have to really think [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► ahead plan ahead to do that I i'm still [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► be like flustered over like trying to [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► get the right tickets and the right [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► luggage and stuff he's thinking ahead [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► he's bringing people along he's bringing [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► people from his past and the thing is [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► that for me to bring five people that i [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► knew from high school could you get five [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► people answer the phone [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► well and the thing what it implies is [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that he's still in close contact with [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► all five of those guys they're all still [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► is like type Rose that's either seems [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► dishonest or sickening [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► it's whatever it is it's unique in my [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► experience yeah that that whole scene [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► you know it's a little bit of a North [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► Carolina think maybe okay yeah you know [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► what I mean like a little bit of a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► minute mint julep type of NASCAR thing [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► sure i can see you guys having a real [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► like like I like crazy eighties montage [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► because you both.you both like you know [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► we're curious guys like trying out new [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► stuff so on the last cruise we went [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► again to jamaica and we decided we were [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► going to find I we're going to scour the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► island until we found a record store [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► that had super old weird reggae help [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► ease and we spent a very hot long weird [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► exhausting day and we did find a guy who [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► had some cardboard boxes of old reggae [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► albums which david probably overpaid for [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► but we did buy a bunch of help ease some [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► of them had to be washed off because [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► they were covered with dirt and resin [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► but they uh but he's you know that's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► part of that's part of his record [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► collection now [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► many props I like that guy is my god is [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► good i'll make sure that you meet each [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► yeah he resembles something I made me [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► feel really good you know whether one of [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► these shows [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► not very long ago we talked about some [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► famous people and then there was a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► there's a little bit of like oh now [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► Roderick on the line is just dropping [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► names what you said that out some kid on [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► the internet now we're dropping names [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► now after always usually yeah talking [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► about Pete Rose yeah after all after all [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► this time there are still we can still [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► surprise people John a you know I don't [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► even like to address these kinds of [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► things but you are you move in the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► corridors of power at many many levels [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► in many many corridors and i just can't [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► believe the restraint restraint that you [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► show you know well imagine if you had [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► not told us about that that that that [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► dinner you want to with your dad [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► yeah we're doing the can-can yeah and [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► take some name-dropping the boy that's [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► real memorable to me [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't know that [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► such a thing existed until he also [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► talked a lot about people that nobody [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► knows so I think you balance it out [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah well the thing is I could have [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► we could have done to show two months [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► ago I could have talked about David Rees [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► nobody would have known who the fuck [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► you're talking about now talking about [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► to go noble now he's a famous guy and [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► he's right he's just finally famous [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► uh-huh [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► because he's one of the people this is a [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► rare example of somebody who got famous [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► who should have been famous all along [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► yeah fucking people you know I mean I [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► don't know exactly what you're saying [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► it's exhausting John fucking people try [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► to keep an open mind [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► also your fever is doing better David [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► reason should watch the party whole [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► party whole one is interesting because I [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► mean obviously it's like edited and [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► stuff out of sequence but you know what [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► i'm talking about this who cares but if [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► I think it's the first one was something [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► genuinely went tits up with the [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► operation and it makes it even funnier [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► you can get is a cameo from jonathan [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► coulton is so that's right for someone [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► that we now our good friend Joe code [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► that we talked about we talked about [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► quite a bit i think it proper children I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► think that'll look there's some children [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► he has with him but i think they may be [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► loners was right he think they're they [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► came from most likely to protect his [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► kids from the the harsh i have the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► public he does and yet as [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► all know the the uh you know the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► whatever that little piece of gauze is [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► between our private lives in our public [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► lives yeah that God is on fire Merlin oh [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► what happened oh the gods is on fire is [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► all that's happening we are not going to [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► be able to write separate our public and [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► private lives for very much longer [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah I it's all just an Amazon [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► algorithm for for how for what we want [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► to buy em my kid is going to be just [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► another thing it's just me another face [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► that pops up on my computer sometimes [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► saying hey your kid would like some food [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► fuck you computer have you fed have you [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► fed this darling child today we think [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► you may like the bars tidy bars would [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► you like to friend would you like to [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► frenzy bars [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► hello would you like to increase your [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► level of engagement with Z bars [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► ok so we're doing when I go to look at I [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► think this is the thing you do I think I [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► don't know I i sometimes if somebody [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► says something really awful or something [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► I gotta talk to you about sometimes [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► somebody will say something really [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► bananas to me on Twitter it doesn't [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► happen that much but I'll go and so what [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► do i do I don't get mad I go I go and I [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► just I think I think I always assume i [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► don't get the reference is my fresh [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► think so you search the person you like [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► cause the people that I engage with on [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► Twitter actually like pretty nice pretty [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► nice people and occasionally i'll get [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► one from real out of left field and then [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► i'll go and look at the thing and i'll [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► see if there's URL i'll see if there's a [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► picture that's not something from the OC [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► or something and and yeah and then I [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► realized that they do things like follow [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► airlines they follow they follow like [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► celebrities like people who obviously [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► like have somebody there on their behalf [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► tuning for them i shouldn't say this I [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► you know what I really shouldn't say [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► this and I got don't say this i got a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► weird at response [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► to a tooth that's probably two or three [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► years old haha so big but usually once I [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► guess I'm they're going back in the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► archives i think the only reason i don't [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► even know this person knows that they [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► kind of know me but it was in response [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► to something that your friend Sean said [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► okay and it's a certain superfan from [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► the seatac area that you remember from [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the long winters board days [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► ok alright ma i'm with you and I read [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► her entire timeline for the last two [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► what does each one nice i woke up I saw [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► that I followed through the ever do that [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► you ever go back and just read like two [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► years of bananas [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I i have done man I have to say I I you [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► know because i like i love people the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► same whether you do your kind of gentle [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► anthropologist something and I want to [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► see what is making people talk i want to [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► see you know sometimes you learn a lot [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► about the center by looking at the wings [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► absolutely Heraclitus said you can never [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► never dip your toe into the same crazy [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► person twice [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► that's exactly right I'll and the thing [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► is that you know it's not a coincidence [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► i was just recently reading her clients [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► is that right yeah but it but not to not [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► to digress i love to go back into and a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► lot of times before I follow somebody [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► i'll just go read their last year just I [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► wish I started doing that a very long [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► time ago [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► yeah yeah just a really good idea to do [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► that you had a couple of funny tweets [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► there and then you go back and you're [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► like all you tweet about doritos all the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► no well broken hard drives and Fox News [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► and you're like that [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► yeah so anyway so you have this you you [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► want you deep dive on a deep dive on a [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► dingaling tell you any more about it [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► later better really brought back some [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► memories of the old days and and the [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► thing is if you go back and re-read [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► somebody's monkey balls timeline you get [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► a sense how this path and pretty much [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► this person goes them all every day and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► takes a picture of him or herself [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► yes that isn't that you know what and [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► and when they are 60 and we are 60 [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► they're going to have those pictures of [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► themselves and we're not [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► it's so true i take like i take i used [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► to take 150 photos of my daughter a day [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► and I get like one a quarter [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► yeah we'll look at the camera so it's [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► her like in motion turning away on a [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► swing set or something [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► well but this is the did this is the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► thing in our culture the people who do [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► the same thing every day for a long time [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► sometimes r plucked out by the culture [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► and identified as like the the true [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► geniuses of our time you know that the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► people better like I've been cooking [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► frog legs every day for 25 years and you [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► know and then around their head [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► this graphic appears the frog leg King [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► ba and you know and all of a sudden he's [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► the frog leg king and people are flying [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► in from around the world to taste his [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► amazing frog legs and it's like well [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► really that we should be concerned about [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► this guy he's been doing nothing but [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► cooking products for 25 years like that [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► seems like a failure of the imagination [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► but no he's the fucking frog late king [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► he gotta walk spot account yeah he [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► almost got on jimmy kimmel yeah so you [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► know so you go to the mall every day you [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► take a picture yourself in the in the in [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► your reflection in the front window of a [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► hot topic 25 years from now it seems [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► like you are [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► I mean you're the terry richardson of [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► your time whenever you're some genius [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► like art photographer that had a weird [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► picadillo I did you used to seem so much [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► weirder and not something people do all [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► the time thinking of I think i read this [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► in Harper's man heard on this american [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► life but it's probably 10 years ago [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► remember the story about the guy who [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► documented everything that happens an [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► old guy don't you and everything he [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► weighed the paper the newspaper every [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► day he comes all the stickers from the [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► meat that he bought the started this is [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► talking about [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► yes it does a fascinating story and now [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► basically that's what everybody does [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► that's pinterest yeah that's like you [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► know am I i had a great p.m. here is [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► what's hot topic around a doctor who [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► shirts I got an orange julius here's a [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► photo of me having more choices [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► well you know and I prevision this [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Merlin all the way back in the early [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► nineties when i said when i say when i [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► saw the I saw the storm clouds on the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► horizon and a little Mexican boy came [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► and took a thoughtful photograph a [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► Polaroid of me and handed it to me and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that is how my son the leader of the [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► revolution is able to identify me when [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► he comes back in time [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► oh that's so smart i know but leaving [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► that aside [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► yeah I remember thinking that there was [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► going to be step is going to be some [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that that in effect the sum total of [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► human knowledge was only going to be [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► valuable [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► insofar as we were able to collect it [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► and sort of and so we have had this [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► sense in the in the nineteen eighties [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► are in the early nineties that there was [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► this it was it was kind of a comparative [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► religion a notion that like well if we [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► could if we put all the religious texts [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► throughout history next to each other [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► and were able to look at them in three [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► dimensions and we just pick out all the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► similarities and we figure out what the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► differences are and how they relate to [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► one another then there should be some [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► like some herb body of knowledge is it [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► there would be patterns that clearly [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► emerged like hey here's a here's being [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► nice to each other that tends to work [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► out right and so and maybe we would have [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► maybe then we would have another [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► dimension of insight into religion or [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► what it's that out where it comes from [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► why it's there [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► what it means maybe there's a maybe [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► there's a a tenth religion out there [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that is actually the the combined [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► tenants of all religions and and you [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► know that comparative religion impulse [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► extends to like that the idea that well [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► we have a tremendous body of knowledge [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► all the libraries of the world all of [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► the all of the oral accounts all of the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► other novels and this sum total of human [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► knowledge and experience if there was a [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► way to collect it and sort it [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► what would we know what would we know [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► net what we know better and what would [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► we do with that information I remember [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► in the early nineties thinking that this [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► was the in some ways the future it was [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► going to be [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► we just needed to develop the technology [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► to bind and sort this you know this kind [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► of like a dimensionless cloud of [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► information and we're doing it now and [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► what it turns out is its digital [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► scrapbooks of how much the newspaper [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► ways and and every collected meet [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► sticker from every piece in every [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► package of hamburger you buy and it [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► turns out that the collected some of all [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► human knowledge is just like a busy [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► signal [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► it's just it's just it's just [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► oh man thats dark because because all [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► the meat stickers [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► there are a lot more people collecting [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► meet stickers then there are comparing [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► Heraclitus to a to Augustine and the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► very few people who are comparing [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► Heraclitus to Augustine are sewed are so [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► drowned out by the meat stickers that [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► that ultimately there there is no I I [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► feel like maybe maybe the the high [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► knowledge and the low knowledge do [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► actually cancel each other out there is [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► no well I do not prefer anymore [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► the PM the high knowledge because [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► because I just him but like them to meet [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► sticker scrapbooks are just rising up in [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► the room i feel like i'm in the trash [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► compactor and star wars and it's just [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► it's just it needs to sell everything [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► meatstick her login and then then then [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► here floats by this little you know this [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► little bottle cap and inside the bottle [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► cap is like Oh have you ever noticed [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that that that Augustine Aristotle and [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► Heraclitus all said this and my cough [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► what I'm and it just floats by its eaten [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► by a it's eaten by a compactor monster [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► the yeah that's good because it seems [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► like there's so much stuff not to harp [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► on them the medical stuff that it seems [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► like at this point you should be able to [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► like walk into a box like kind of almost [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► like an MRI or a tsa scanner it seems [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► like we should be at the point now where [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you walk into a little box with your [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► clothes on even and in like three [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► seconds it tells you probably what's [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► wrong with you and a couple things that [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► might be and then you do a couple [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► testing you now is that not the case [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► it's really feels like that kit with [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► would be how it works so you're talking [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► about religion but you think about [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► anything over the past however many [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► centuries or millennia like if you had [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► enough data over time in context with [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► trendlines it seems like they're so [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► much interesting stuff that you could [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► figure out about it sometimes that [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► surfaces as like an infographic on [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► somebody's blog or something but you're [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► absolutely right it reminds me directly [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► of like the days after 911 when they're [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► saying let you know the problem is not [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► collecting this intelligence we've got a [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► lot of intelligence we just don't have [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► any way to analyze right the the huge [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► with her so much noise and all of this [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► it's even been missing it a little stuff [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► that comes along so what we do we got [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► more and more information now but this [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► is why this is why do you remember in [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the movie russia house starring sean [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► connery no i don't have you seen the [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► movie russia house starring sean connery [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► in out the movie russia house Connery [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► with Sean Connery and michelle pfeiffer [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► king and roy scheider um is one of those [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► what would it be early nineties [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► meditations on the end of the Soviet [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► Union's a cold war thriller [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► it's a cold war thriller that's exactly [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► right circa hunt for red october in [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► which sean connery plays a reluctant [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► alcoholic book editor consider myself [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► for like an alcoholic [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► yeah well he's a reluctant alcohol he's [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► a he's enthusiastic alcoholic a [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► reluctant spy let's call him a [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► reluctance by anyway not to give too [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► much of the point away but there is [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► there's a there's a scene in the film [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► for several scenes I guess where Roy [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Scheider as a sort of CIA up you know [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► high mucky-muck is running an operation [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► from a clean room within some CIA [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► operational headquarters and they are [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► you know they're they're monitoring the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► situation and there's a guy in that's [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► kind of a cold war trope who is a sort [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► of great wild-haired gray-haired older [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► clearly homosexual but not but but [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► everybody is pretending that he's not [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► because he's such a genius a kind of [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► Benchley park [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► CIA g like flamboyant genius you know [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► what I mean this is like that this is [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► this is one of these ideas that you have [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► about the CIA that's somewhere somewhere [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► deep in there there are these guys who [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► are kind of a who are so far off the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► reservation but so genius right you get [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► your like John Nash Glenn Gould misfits [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► of science mutant types exactly super [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► super interesting to keep in the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► basement though you know PR reasons [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► yeah keep them in the basement but but [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► like the day and they're allowed to walk [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► around the CIA in a kimono with like a [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► with the like a Indian headdress on look [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► like because like the boyfriend Chris [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► Sarandon in a dog day afternoon [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► yes because because when it's time to [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► process the reams and reams of [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► information they have what amounts to an [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► artistic insight that cuts through the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► cuts through the noise right and the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► problem that I see with the American [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► intelligence community and the problem [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► that we have in all of these like [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► massive data dump scenarios is that we [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► have simultaneously culturally [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► eliminated the the Hiawatha's from the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► process right the CIA no longer hires [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► presumably people who are Hiawatha's [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► they are only looking for the kind of [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► like middlebrow best and brightest the [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► people that can get into Yale the people [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► that that score off the chart people's [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► good great good credit who aren't gonna [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► be compromised right and so so they're [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► trying to they're like we had all this [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► information we just didn't have the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► people to process it and what they're [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► missing and what all what all of [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► data-driven culture is missing are the [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► the key people who do not who are able [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► to see artistically they're able to look [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► at data artistically and say you know [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► what you have all this data but we can [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► eliminate eighty-five percent of it [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► right now because it doesn't apply [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► and everybody goes we'll wait a minute [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► wait a minute wait a minute we got a [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► filter and we gotta winch and that's [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► just like nope you know what I can see [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► this i can just take it easy patterns [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► they can just see patterns they see [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► through the clouds and they're like [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► eighty-five percent of it doesn't matter [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► because you know it's the it's the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► Hannibal Lecter thing it's like is this [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► guy who's your killer is he going to be [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► somebody that that you know that works a [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► straight job or whatever you know just [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► like sees the pattern and eliminates [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► eighty-five percent of the data because [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► it's because they know it's irrelevant i [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► love that character and the and the and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► what we are not doing somehow in our [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► culture and and in business and in in [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► these like we have we have salt mines [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► full of information and we're trying to [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► we're trying to grind it you know we're [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► trying to process it through this like [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► this increasing granularity and oh my [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► god week the only place that patterns [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► are going to exist is in the most [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► granular at the most granular level and [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► we're not hiring Hiawatha's we're not [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► hiring people that are just like flying [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► over the top in a kimono for like making [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► of a swoosh it and they say you know [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► what here's the answer it was right here [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► in front of you the whole time like I [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► don't think that 911 was that hard to [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► figure out if you just had I mean in the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► end it and even through retrospect it's [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► not it [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► he you can imagine one person sitting at [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► their desk and saying you know what I [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► think I see a pattern emerging and and [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► yet that person was just like just [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► shunted off into some storeroom [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► somewhere because he didn't have the he [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► didn't have the clearance to talk to the [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► guy who had the other and other half of [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► the information right now that's good if [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► they want to do you want to keep it you [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► know compartmentalised and I do not want [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► to keep it compartmentalised United [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► kimono floating over that i do and i [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► think the secret i think the secret like [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► the secret ghost squad of all of this is [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► some and this is the this is the problem [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► again with general ism like how do we [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► train [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► how do you train generalists in a way [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► you don't but how do you recognize them [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► and write and raise them up right right [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► if your if your culture is designed to [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► to celebrate the Frog Lake king and it's [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► like well this guy's got seven phd's in [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► frog legs [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► how are you going to say that this guy [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► over here who never even graduated from [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► college has got more insight into the [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► situation than the Frog Lake king and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► it's like well you know what the front [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► like King is a fucking retard and and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the fact that he has seven phd's is [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► Islam is ludicrous and you should [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► recognize that that mean that is a sign [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► of his mental illness not a sign of his [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► greatness but on the other hand think [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► about it I feel like I heard something [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► not too long on the radio about how [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► people on the autism spectrum are I not [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► having an easier time getting jobs of [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► people are realizing that there are [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► certain very special skills and people [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► on the spectrum that are not as common [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► you know in those generalists with right [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► with the ties and that you know with a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► little bit of care and individual [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► attention you can actually find jobs [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► these folks are created when I went to [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► mcdonalds everybody who worked breakfast [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► in the morning at mcdonalds was an old [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► lady it was not an old man it was not a [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► young lady [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► they're all old ladies and they had all [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► been there for like ten years and you [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► know what they showed up on time they [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► did their shit their shit was tight and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► every morning breakfast ran like a top [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► and McDonald's because there is this [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► culture of all old ladies working [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► mcdonalds and they all interacted well [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► that sounds like a really like insipid [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► example but you need the right person [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► for the right job you know what somebody [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► is going to be all low in there and if [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► there is sometimes you know maybe you [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► need somebody maybe not quite as John [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► Nash but like but you need people who [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► are able to come in and see patterns or [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► have a drive toward a certain kind of [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► curiosity that's a little bit outside [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► the spectrum is a whole you know [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► Einstein misquote about trying to solve [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► the same problem by doing the same thing [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► who's he you know that some folks like [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► that somewhere like in maybe in Virginia [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► I i feel like the I feel like the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► bureaucratic the cult of the cult of [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► bureaucracy and the and the the miss [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► identification of our culture now as a [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► meritocracy hat as in a way smoked all [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► those people out right because because [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► what you're because what we're trying to [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► do now where we're everywhere in America [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► there is a there's an admissions process [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► right everywhere there are more [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► applications for any job than there are [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► I'm sorry yeah they're way more [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► potential applicants for any job then [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► there are positions right and so [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► everything in plenty and plenty of very [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► generic blunt instrument metrics that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► allow you to put people through this [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► rock tumbler so it only pebbles larger [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► than this and smaller than that will fit [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► the screen right so for instance I have [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► a good friend who just went through just [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► did 25 interviews for a job and the job [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► was one of your computer mass jobs right [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► webmaster chief web marketing Bob Bob [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► some kind of web maths and like I know [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► the job you know the job it's a job it's [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► a it's a it's an actual job that has [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► things that need to get done a certain [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► amount of imagination needs to be [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► employed to do the job well but that [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► imagination is like this is this isn't a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► job where you're at Bletchley Park in [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► you're trying to you're trying to crack [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► the Enigma code [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► this is a job or it's like here's here's [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► what's going to happen pretty much we [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► know this is the type of thing that's [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► going to come in [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► these are the types of ways that we're [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► going to solve this problem here are the [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► you know like with we're not going to [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► we're not going to invent it with a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► medical scanner at this business because [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► all we're trying to do is cellphone [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► trees to banks and hospitals right but [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► but in the 25 interviews that my friend [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► went to she described innumerable [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► examples of people coming in and sitting [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► down and saying [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► let's say you're in a sinking ship and [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► all you have is an is a is one American [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► nickel and a na uncooked bag of pasta [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► and a drinking straw [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► yeah how do you get out of the how do [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► you get out of this situation and then [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that lean forward the guys like that [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► this whole google influenced version of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► interviewing people and it's kinda like [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► it's like an intellectual ropes course [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► or something right where the question is [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► meant to more than anything conveyed to [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► the interviewee that the interviewer is [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► a really smart hotshot person right and [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► over and over and over again she's she's [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► trying to fill these interview questions [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► and at a certain point I had I you know [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► she's talking to me and I I advised her [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► like the way to answer that question is [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► too lean equally forward and say this [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► question is irrelevant to the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► performance of this job and in fact what [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the person that you want in this [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► position is somebody who is going to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► consider all the evidence in in any [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► given situation weight over time and [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► make the best reasoned choice [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► you do not want someone who is going to [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► off-the-cuff shoot you some kind of [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► answer that ties together the the nickel [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► and the and the bag of pasta like you r [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► into e by asking this question you are [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► interviewing for a different job and in [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► fact for a job that does not exist at [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► your company you think you are in a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► different world then you're in and if [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► you know and I I advised her probably [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► probably that is the baby the wrong [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► thing to say to somebody who's [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► interviewing you for a job but but it's [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► something that I felt very very [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► passionately that in business culture [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► now that's an example of people not [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► recognizing where they are and thinking [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that they are somewhere very else and [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► asking you know asking basically like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► stupid s80 questions because what they [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► wish they were doing is working for [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► google or they wish that you know they [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► hope that by asking [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► by trying to find a hiawatha everywhere [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► all the time and yet only choosing a [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► about then ending up only choosing the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► people that went to Princeton anyway [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► because nobody can even that that person [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► couldn't pick a good answer to that [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► question if they tried you know what I [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► mean like they asked the question and [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► they don't even have the they don't even [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► have the mental resources to know what a [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► good answer to it is so no I don't feel [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► like there are those geniuses anymore i [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► feel like we all want those jeans I mean [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► we are we're interviewing people as [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► though you need to be that genius just [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► to work at attachmate and you don't need [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► to be that genius to work an attachment [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► if that genius is working at attachment [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► it's a net loss for everybody [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► I got a very simple probably over simple [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► theory that's your favorite TV show I [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► think it's Kobayashi Maru I think you [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► know the Kobayashi Maru scenario i have [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► learned it from my several visits to [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► comic-con but you know if you know the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► basic idea Curt cut through its a skull [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► its a big spoiler it basically in your I [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► don't quite understand how this works [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► because it seems like as if they would [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► tell other people about this but you go [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► into a simulator to be the captain of [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► the ship and you have a situation where [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► you get a distress call from the ship [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► called the Kobayashi Maru and you have [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► to go through forgive me nerds out that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► Klingons but uh but you got basically in [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► order to get to that stranded ship [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► you're gonna have to go through like a [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► dmz that you're pretty sure will provoke [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► the baddies and so the question is you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► know what you decide to do and this [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► spoiler of course is that no matter what [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► you do the Kobayashi Maru will be [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► destroyed your ship will be destroyed [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► everybody no matter what you choose to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► do the Kobayashi Maru scenario dies ends [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► with you dying your ship being destroyed [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► and and so first of all what you learn [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► is that the Kobayashi Maru is a test of [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► your character [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► it seems like it's a test of your [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► decision making but it's really a test [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► of your character to see how you react [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► in an impossible situation and then of [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► course as you know he's the apple we [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► know that [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► Kirk is the only one has ever passed [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► because he cheated right he rewrites the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► encryption somehow that's right that's [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the way you be kobayashi memories by [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► cheating and then of course you know us [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► to go to go to space trial and stuff [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► like that right because it revealed his [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► well I don't doubt that there are [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► answers that that person has on a piece [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► of paper but i think part of it is just [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► seeing how you react to stuff like that [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► don't you think that you think part of [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► it would be like well here's the real [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► wackadoodle situation show me your [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► creativity and cool yeah but this is the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► but this is the problem [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► how many of these jobs are creativity [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► and cool needed [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► okay i would say we maybe point zero one [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► percent like you flatter yourselves [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► interviewers to think that creativity [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► and cool is the thing that you're [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► looking for when in fact you're looking [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► for someone who is like thoughtful [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► confident [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► uh but but you know but that this is [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that this is another thing like there [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► are so many people out there who need a [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► few minutes to think about it before [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► they're going to come up with the [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► solution right and we have eliminated a [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► lot of those people from contention [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► because for whatever reason we prize [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► somebody's cool under fire internet [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► maybe they just don't present well you [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► know what it wasn't really that if they [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► if they went home and spent the evening [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► thinking about it they'd come back with [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► an elegant solution that required you [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► know in a way neither creativity nor a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► cool but like intelligence and a little [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► work intelligence and work exactly like [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► work and processing that does not fall [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► into this magical like this is that this [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► is this problem of like everybody's a [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► fucking artist now because everybody's [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► mom told them that they were an artist [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► all the way through grade school and so [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► we think that creativity is this thing [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► that like that we need even in the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► business class and the reality is of a [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► thousand people working at a company you [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► need two of them to be creative and the [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► rest of them need to be diligent only [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► need to be they need to be able to get [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► along with other people which is very [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► hard to gauge right but what's on latex [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► overlooks kill we're populating people [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► were populated places with people who [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► pass these dumb creativity tests and the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► reality is that most of them are [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► creative so the dumb creativity test [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► gets [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► slightly you know gets mutated until [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► enough people pass that's right the test [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► the test up mutates to fulfill the curve [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► and so now all of a sudden we have a [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► different definition of creativity [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► because well you know we needed we want [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► forty percent of the people working here [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► to be creative [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► well guess what forty percent of the [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► people in the world are creative and [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► you're probably not going to get you're [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► not going to cook skim the top forty [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► percent off to come work at your at your [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► software company that deals with a [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► cellphone chase payphone trees right so [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► so if you think that forty percent of [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► the people working there creative you [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► have gamed your own tests to think that [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► that you're getting creative answers out [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► of people when people is just giving you [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► whatever fucking it you know like you [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► you're not you are not actually [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► measuring what you think you're [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► measuring and the and this is the [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► problem i think nationwide there is no [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► in in a in a in a country that values [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► creativity as highly as we do as we [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► claim to do there actually is very [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► there's maybe even less room for [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► creative people now because creativity [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► has been co-opted and systematized what [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► we have what we call creativity [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► this is yeah and so here I'm going to [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► toss out a word i'm gonna use this word [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► i think correctly for the first time its [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► normative because if you think about [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► remember when I very i think i have [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► snapshots of this from my life feeling [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► like somebody who what was a somewhat [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► creative person who needed a chance and [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► a little time to explain who didn't do [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► well in those kinds of things but i [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► remember hearing you know you remember [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► all the stuff but you know the PSAT the [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► s80 the acct like it was just even in [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► nineteen eighty i graduated five it was [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► so drilled into your head how critical [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► those are and it was until a few years [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► later that please [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► this version i've heard is that the [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► reason those tests are really important [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► is that they look at those tests they [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► look at your grades and you are going to [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► look at stuff like you know you're at SA [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► and things like that but there's a [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► single reason that those test scores [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► amount so much which is incredibly [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► sensible but also incredibly depressing [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► which is that there is [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► of all the measurements that are out [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► there there is one correlation that [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► matters the correlation between people [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► who do well on standardized College [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► Admission Test and people who finished [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► college in less than four years that [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► correlation is extremely high sounds so [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► obvious but think about that for just a [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► second [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► right like talk about fucking normative [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► what that means is to like why you know [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► what we just don't have the time and [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► inclination or the resources to really [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► find out who would blow the doors off of [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► this place and what we've got here is we [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► need to find people who are going to [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► fail spectacularly in some ways that's [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► what it means [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► so like my nutty balls school like I had [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► good acct scores i had a good essay but [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► mostly they were like you know what [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► youre five percenter you're like one of [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► those people who were pretty sure it's [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► going to bomb out before the end of the [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► first semester but what the hell we have [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► a certain amount in our budget to let in [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► crazy people who might not work out in [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► the end it did work out but it was I [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► should not have been got I should not [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► have gotten into the college that I got [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► into because that's what that's what is [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► there i got it again just quickly i got [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► it again when I think was when i first [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► went on unemployment in Florida like 95 [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► I got fired from a job and I remember [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► filling out that form or was I did [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► something in California later but going [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► through and filling out those forms is [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► so depressing because it's so digital it [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► really is like 15 stars write down your [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► skill your skill does not match one of [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► the things that you mean Microsoft Word [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► ok microsoft word how many years have [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► you done this how good are you is that [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► you don't have to explain anything about [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► like how you learn things fast you can [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► take explain anything about like how you [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► are sometimes good at figuring out a [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► problem before it is a problem it's just [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► I mean I know that's out there somewhere [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► maybe that's what those kobayashi [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► memories or four but it's so frustrating [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► to me that like that data that we're [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► talking about ends up getting used to [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► get more no more more normative bell [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► curve of of people who are unlikely to [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► flame out spectacularly but may not even [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► be the greatest that what they're doing [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► and if you believe if you believed in a [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► world where the world was being run by [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► people who knew what they were what they [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► were going for you could say like Oh [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► were going for you could say like Oh [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► ok this is one of of a hundred potential [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► ways that you could run the world and [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► it's i guess one that is equally valid [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► like let's let's just let's just make a [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► bell curve [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► let's let's admit people into the most [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► prestigious colleges that based on [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► whether or not they're going to finish [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► rather than whether or not they're [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► really smart and then let's sort of a [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► let's wait [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► everything that happens in the culture [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► according to this same sort of [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► methodology so like if you go to [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► Princeton then the doors are going to [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► open for you the rest of your life and [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► then work and you're going to keep [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► getting things done so we're going to [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► prise people who get things done and [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► etcetera etcetera like if if if we [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► believe that there were people up on top [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► of the of the the space needle of our [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► culture looking down and saying like [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► here's how it is how it's designed and [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► we know that we're losing people out of [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► both ends of this machine but you have [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► to pick away and so this is the way that [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► we pick I would maybe even thinking this [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► is the least destructive method we know [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► of coming up with something not even [TS]