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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 130: "Repping This Vibration"

 

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00:00:25   hello hi John I couldn't find my [TS]

00:00:28   microphone that's ok it's the one in [TS]

00:00:30   front of their thing going good how are [TS]

00:00:36   you [TS]

00:00:37   oh man you've been busy i have been busy [TS]

00:00:40   America has been watching you Dr Who I [TS]

00:00:42   drove and drove and drove and let's talk [TS]

00:00:45   about I know a dude drove from [TS]

00:00:48   Massachusetts to New Hampshire to [TS]

00:00:51   Vermont to New York to Pennsylvania to [TS]

00:00:55   ohio oh my god to Indiana to Illinois to [TS]

00:01:01   Missouri to kansas to Nebraska to South [TS]

00:01:11   Dakota tune Wyoming to Montana to Idaho [TS]

00:01:19   to Washington cheese and you did that [TS]

00:01:21   probably in like a fuel-efficient hybrid [TS]

00:01:25   or electric vehicle anything it's just [TS]

00:01:28   spreading greenness school of those it's [TS]

00:01:31   one of those bicycles that has a little [TS]

00:01:32   electric motor on it [TS]

00:01:33   it's free and it took me four years no I [TS]

00:01:37   average 10 miles to the gallon [TS]

00:01:39   oh I'm so glad you're 79 suburban does [TS]

00:01:45   not have comments enabled that's right [TS]

00:01:47   says 779 suburban in full-time [TS]

00:01:50   four-wheel drive the entire way I drove [TS]

00:01:53   across America in four-wheel drive [TS]

00:01:55   it's like a fast snowplow basically [TS]

00:01:59   that's exactly right that I could see [TS]

00:02:01   guys it in auto shops as I drove by [TS]

00:02:03   eyeballing it for like to fit a snowplow [TS]

00:02:05   to it to fit snowplow to the front end [TS]

00:02:07   is no plan of the back and yeah it was [TS]

00:02:11   it was you know in the middle of the [TS]

00:02:13   country of course gases like two dollars [TS]

00:02:15   and fifty cents a gallon [TS]

00:02:16   really yeah so I that there are couple [TS]

00:02:19   times i put pretty a minute [TS]

00:02:21   no I don't believe I don't believe in [TS]

00:02:23   premium gas I was like you know what [TS]

00:02:25   bring together like two hours and sixty [TS]

00:02:27   cents little america fuck it [TS]

00:02:29   yeah yeah you could take a big gulp cup [TS]

00:02:32   for gas port on the ground [TS]

00:02:36   oh my god and so I don't even know where [TS]

00:02:38   to begin [TS]

00:02:39   so this is i guess for people who've [TS]

00:02:40   been listening for a while they know [TS]

00:02:42   that this has been a girl quest for you [TS]

00:02:43   what you want for your white whale the [TS]

00:02:46   on one hand we want to find the right [TS]

00:02:49   automobile the right truck for you but [TS]

00:02:51   also you have something pretty specific [TS]

00:02:52   in mind for a while [TS]

00:02:54   yeah a specific thing and it seemed like [TS]

00:02:56   it seems like the there just weren't [TS]

00:02:59   that many of them might my perception [TS]

00:03:01   growing up in Anchorage was that there [TS]

00:03:04   were a limitless number of Suburbans [TS]

00:03:07   because at they definitely were the rich [TS]

00:03:11   kid car in Anchorage right if you were [TS]

00:03:13   like a if you were pretty well-off kid [TS]

00:03:15   your family at least had a suburban in [TS]

00:03:17   addition to three or four other cars and [TS]

00:03:21   a and a boat on an airplane but [TS]

00:03:24   Suburbans were everywhere and I just had [TS]

00:03:27   this idea that that in the seventies [TS]

00:03:30   like the suburban was the most popular [TS]

00:03:32   car maybe I thought and then with with a [TS]

00:03:36   little bit more research I realized that [TS]

00:03:37   in fact Chevy Chevy was like solidly in [TS]

00:03:44   third place of us truck sales all the [TS]

00:03:47   way through the sixties seventies and [TS]

00:03:50   eighties that's surprising [TS]

00:03:53   it is Ford has always sold the most [TS]

00:03:55   trucks and then dodge sells more trucks [TS]

00:03:59   than Chevy which was like a rock that's [TS]

00:04:02   Chevy ok that was Chevy trying to like [TS]

00:04:05   you know and i think what has happened [TS]

00:04:07   is that General Motors for those of you [TS]

00:04:10   not in the United States General Motors [TS]

00:04:11   owns chevrolet and GMC has caught up in [TS]

00:04:16   the truck races if you drive across the [TS]

00:04:18   country now you'd be astonished how many [TS]

00:04:20   dodge trucks they're ours I think dodge [TS]

00:04:22   might be number one [TS]

00:04:23   you know I see a lot of his toyota [TS]

00:04:25   tundra well but see you live on the [TS]

00:04:28   coast and this is a crucial this is this [TS]

00:04:31   is one of the cliq crucial fog so that [TS]

00:04:36   we're in living out here who the cars [TS]

00:04:38   that are on the road in san francisco in [TS]

00:04:40   seattle are not representative of the [TS]

00:04:43   cars that are on the road anywhere in [TS]

00:04:45   the middle of the country is that right [TS]

00:04:47   down there there [TS]

00:04:48   huge huge portions of the above the trip [TS]

00:04:52   that I just took where every single car [TS]

00:04:54   i could see and you know the ground is [TS]

00:04:56   flat too i can see three miles ahead and [TS]

00:04:58   three miles behind and every single one [TS]

00:04:59   is a pickup truck and they're all like [TS]

00:05:03   hyped up jacked up customized I mean the [TS]

00:05:06   they come right out of the factory now [TS]

00:05:09   pre customized right in the same way [TS]

00:05:13   that you could customize your and almost [TS]

00:05:16   puts a light of the term because when [TS]

00:05:18   you think of customizing you think of [TS]

00:05:19   taking ladies you're starting out just [TS]

00:05:21   in the sense of like ordinarily back in [TS]

00:05:23   the day you go to some kind of shop in [TS]

00:05:25   your area to get a tricked-out right you [TS]

00:05:27   go and you get things get added to it [TS]

00:05:29   but you're saying you can get like the [TS]

00:05:31   same kind of variety of tricked-out [TS]

00:05:33   stuff like right off the showroom floor [TS]

00:05:36   yeah I have to go to a specialty shop [TS]

00:05:37   for that was an innovation I think that [TS]

00:05:39   the the scion remember one that the [TS]

00:05:42   scion was released and and it was part [TS]

00:05:45   of the marketing was that you could you [TS]

00:05:47   could trick it out from the factory a [TS]

00:05:51   hundred different ways or a thousand [TS]

00:05:53   different ways and now my guess is that [TS]

00:05:56   all automakers will embrace this soon [TS]

00:05:58   but for sure if you if you want [TS]

00:06:03   it's kind it's kind of like the kind of [TS]

00:06:05   like this that that the nomenclature of [TS]

00:06:07   the espresso Wars remember one is that [TS]

00:06:11   by frank herbert dunno but human nature [TS]

00:06:15   of the espresso Wars yeah it was a it [TS]

00:06:17   was a module that I used to [TS]

00:06:19   here's what I was dyani the coffee must [TS]

00:06:21   flow but remember one that went when a [TS]

00:06:23   small suddenly became at all and you [TS]

00:06:25   know who that a medium was a grande and [TS]

00:06:28   a been so there's something else on top [TS]

00:06:29   of that get the vente vente that's right [TS]

00:06:32   and on a truck like this the smallest [TS]

00:06:35   least option truck is alright already [TS]

00:06:38   branded as like the extreme Omega you [TS]

00:06:42   know you have this four-cylinder Ford [TS]

00:06:46   f-150 [TS]

00:06:47   yeah it's just it's already got flames [TS]

00:06:50   on it from the factory and then you can [TS]

00:06:52   you can just you can decide how many [TS]

00:06:55   more [TS]

00:06:56   ridiculous like skull heads and you know [TS]

00:07:00   you can get the grill so that looks like [TS]

00:07:02   sharks teeth and just one but it's [TS]

00:07:04   because it's nominally this is the part [TS]

00:07:05   that's hilarious to me is that because [TS]

00:07:07   it's nominally for work [TS]

00:07:09   I mean if you're if you're a cowboy or a [TS]

00:07:10   construction worker you kind of have to [TS]

00:07:12   have a pickup truck because you need to [TS]

00:07:14   put a saddle you're gonna be able to put [TS]

00:07:15   a saddle and your nissan leaf you need [TS]

00:07:18   something that big but the funny part is [TS]

00:07:19   how many of these things here I'm you [TS]

00:07:21   hear that sound it sounds like like I [TS]

00:07:23   like a fedex truck here that pops lots [TS]

00:07:27   of diesel it was not a single scratch in [TS]

00:07:30   the bed right well yeah because they're [TS]

00:07:32   all they're doing is I mean yeah they're [TS]

00:07:35   just going from mr. obese children [TS]

00:07:38   soccer clothing in the back [TS]

00:07:39   well they're going from there they're [TS]

00:07:41   weird I mean you know that hardly [TS]

00:07:43   anybody really works anymore but they're [TS]

00:07:45   going to tell you want to go to costco [TS]

00:07:47   after applebees you're not still not [TS]

00:07:50   working in software necessarily but [TS]

00:07:52   they're working in some kind of you know [TS]

00:07:55   propane based economy where there though [TS]

00:07:59   they are doing work but it's but it's [TS]

00:08:01   still is like it doesn't require hauling [TS]

00:08:03   yeah and and what's what's what's [TS]

00:08:06   astonishing is that all of the like [TS]

00:08:09   rock-and-roll rebel iconography of 25 [TS]

00:08:16   years ago where the rock'n'roll rebel [TS]

00:08:20   saw himself as the opposite of some dumb [TS]

00:08:25   middle of the country hick all that [TS]

00:08:29   rock'n'roll rebel iconography is now [TS]

00:08:33   completely embraced and endorsed by [TS]

00:08:37   these young guys in the middle of the [TS]

00:08:39   country and including like extreme [TS]

00:08:42   sports talk and & hip-hop [TS]

00:08:45   well and super super hip hop so so that [TS]

00:08:48   means like there's the coastal [TS]

00:08:49   affectation that come out of hard rock [TS]

00:08:52   and maybe even a little bit of punk rock [TS]

00:08:53   right you get that kind of stuff you got [TS]

00:08:56   that the dice tattoos over the checkered [TS]

00:08:57   flags or whatever little weird i mean [TS]

00:09:00   the the weird rockabilly offshoot of [TS]

00:09:02   punk rockers yet but but still you're [TS]

00:09:05   right like spray-painted graphics and [TS]

00:09:08   and no fear are and so all the way [TS]

00:09:13   across the country every single young [TS]

00:09:15   guy is reppin this vibration right that [TS]

00:09:20   he's radical no fear [TS]

00:09:22   gar and he's in his truck communicates [TS]

00:09:25   that and and the like the driving [TS]

00:09:27   etiquette certainly communicates that a [TS]

00:09:30   lot of them are also pulling trailers [TS]

00:09:32   that have more rad four-wheel off-road [TS]

00:09:38   you know gasps burnin things and as I'm [TS]

00:09:41   driving across the country in might like [TS]

00:09:43   vintage suburban with it's like bubble [TS]

00:09:46   that basically the all the the logos are [TS]

00:09:51   in comic sans I'm thinking at first I'm [TS]

00:09:55   thinking like these guys coming up [TS]

00:09:58   behind me right there in a GMC truck i'm [TS]

00:10:01   in a GMC truck there they're gonna like [TS]

00:10:03   tip their hat they're going to recognize [TS]

00:10:05   as they blow by me because I'm con 60 [TS]

00:10:08   miles an hour and the right-hand lane [TS]

00:10:10   and they're going 90 and they're gonna [TS]

00:10:13   tip their hand as they go by one after [TS]

00:10:15   another after another no recognition of [TS]

00:10:18   me or acknowledgement of the that the [TS]

00:10:21   thing that I'm doing is cool got no [TS]

00:10:22   history [TS]

00:10:23   not at all and and everyone's gonna [TS]

00:10:27   think you're driving you're driving like [TS]

00:10:29   the what you're driving this 64 and a [TS]

00:10:32   half Mustang of their truck yeah 37 [TS]

00:10:35   Chevy of their truck it's their [TS]

00:10:37   grandpa's truck and the fact that their [TS]

00:10:39   truck is made out of plastic and that [TS]

00:10:41   most of it was probably made in korea [TS]

00:10:43   doesn't you know it doesn't matter [TS]

00:10:47   because they are because they're [TS]

00:10:49   representing a whole different whole [TS]

00:10:52   different philosophy and honestly I feel [TS]

00:10:54   like calling up my good friend Elon Musk [TS]

00:10:58   yeah and saying if you really want to [TS]

00:11:01   revolutionize this country make you know [TS]

00:11:05   electric motors have a ton of torque and [TS]

00:11:08   torque is something that you hear talked [TS]

00:11:11   about a lot in the middle of the country [TS]

00:11:12   that's why they want a diesel motor and [TS]

00:11:15   let's talk because they got a lot of [TS]

00:11:16   torque [TS]

00:11:17   that's right [TS]

00:11:18   and nothing's got more torque than an [TS]

00:11:19   electric motor and if somebody just [TS]

00:11:23   makes a ridiculously torquay truck and [TS]

00:11:29   then they build an advertising campaign [TS]

00:11:32   around it [TS]

00:11:33   featuring like Travis Tritt and Pauly [TS]

00:11:36   Shore and Peter tank and their era [TS]

00:11:40   I don't know if you can get Peter Tork [TS]

00:11:41   but it at there in the truck and a bunch [TS]

00:11:44   of guys in there dodge trucks are like [TS]

00:11:45   get a mud bog and then here you come in [TS]

00:11:48   your Tesla truck and you just you just [TS]

00:11:52   school these guys in the mud bogger like [TS]

00:11:54   oh yeah you think you've got pulling [TS]

00:11:56   power [TS]

00:11:56   wha and you gotta make it so that it [TS]

00:11:59   makes some blast sound room they do that [TS]

00:12:01   now the ad sounds like aw i heard they [TS]

00:12:03   heard on NPR about how they add like [TS]

00:12:05   extra motor sound coming through the [TS]

00:12:07   speakers [TS]

00:12:07   ya-ya-ya-ya-ya motor sounds you put up [TS]

00:12:10   you put a huge subwoofer in the back [TS]

00:12:13   that's just making muffler silencer pump [TS]

00:12:15   and you would you transform the country [TS]

00:12:18   because because honestly like the [TS]

00:12:22   they're not they're not buying these [TS]

00:12:25   things really because USA evens because [TS]

00:12:29   i have to do is like open the glove box [TS]

00:12:31   and it says Made in China in there there [TS]

00:12:34   if it's just a kind of like it's it's [TS]

00:12:37   peacocking you know it's a display of of [TS]

00:12:41   no compromise attitude and me nothing [TS]

00:12:45   says no compromise like like Elon Musk [TS]

00:12:50   your that's right there's no reason you [TS]

00:12:52   get some it's a nice green truck nuts on [TS]

00:12:54   there now you're absolutely right i [TS]

00:12:56   guess i think about now because you know [TS]

00:12:57   um let's make timely but we're in the [TS]

00:12:59   midst of a baseball tournament here you [TS]

00:13:02   know everybody's wearing their their [TS]

00:13:04   gear for the local sports team [TS]

00:13:06   you know I was in I was in the town of [TS]

00:13:07   the opposing sports sports team led a [TS]

00:13:10   BBQ i did it i drove past the sports [TS]

00:13:13   stadium where the where the baseball [TS]

00:13:15   tournament was being played the [TS]

00:13:16   royalties and then I had the most of [TS]

00:13:18   them had the most American experience in [TS]

00:13:20   my life i was driving out of Kansas City [TS]

00:13:22   in the middle of the night [TS]

00:13:24   trying to get the baseball game on my am [TS]

00:13:27   radio alcohol and hannah has taco radio [TS]

00:13:31   and I and I tuned in a little bit want [TS]

00:13:34   father's a pitch and it's a out to [TS]

00:13:37   centerfield and it's all dark there's [TS]

00:13:40   nobody else on the road and i'm driving [TS]

00:13:41   on these little roads outside of Kansas [TS]

00:13:45   City listen to the world series on the [TS]

00:13:47   radio and I was just like god damn it [TS]

00:13:50   yeah you're living the dream there I was [TS]

00:13:52   just remember the first having this [TS]

00:13:54   thought when I was in college for [TS]

00:13:55   started walking to the college bookstore [TS]

00:13:57   and even at our tiny little school you [TS]

00:13:58   could get you know hats shirts bags with [TS]

00:14:02   the name of the college on it and [TS]

00:14:03   remember even thinking Nandu college [TS]

00:14:05   yeah they can even more now they're like [TS]

00:14:07   to imagine that there's a factory that [TS]

00:14:09   just makes giant stuff you mentioned [TS]

00:14:11   that there's a factory just because of [TS]

00:14:13   the allegiance and the importance of [TS]

00:14:14   supporting a local team like there's [TS]

00:14:15   someplace like probably went north [TS]

00:14:17   carolina right there's going to be some [TS]

00:14:18   place where old ladies who love the [TS]

00:14:19   Giants for making Giants have they don't [TS]

00:14:21   fucking care [TS]

00:14:22   I like somebody somebody in in Asia and [TS]

00:14:24   East Asia is making like 11 cents a day [TS]

00:14:27   to stitch those those official hats and [TS]

00:14:29   jerseys and that they have absolutely no [TS]

00:14:31   allegiance they probably can't read the [TS]

00:14:32   letters on them but the same is true [TS]

00:14:33   with the trucks were like there's this [TS]

00:14:35   whole mythology nothing nothing nothing [TS]

00:14:37   against the great car makers of America [TS]

00:14:39   or the people who buy them but you know [TS]

00:14:41   it is pretty is pretty hilarious this [TS]

00:14:43   been going on for like 25 years now but [TS]

00:14:45   you're right it's completely cosmetic in [TS]

00:14:48   some ways it's like it's a car costume [TS]

00:14:50   yeah but it but it i mean what i had a [TS]

00:14:53   lot of time to think it's not close the [TS]

00:14:55   country with it was just an AM radio [TS]

00:14:57   with just the same radio for company in [TS]

00:14:59   my CB radio which I you know the antenna [TS]

00:15:01   fell off the roof so I wasn't really [TS]

00:15:03   able to get that are joking you really [TS]

00:15:06   had a CD for a while i was still do [TS]

00:15:08   papacy ba just I just need to get the [TS]

00:15:09   right antenna but you know the the [TS]

00:15:16   middle of the country is really [TS]

00:15:17   different and it's also a really nice [TS]

00:15:21   place full of really nice people you and [TS]

00:15:22   I have had this conversation a million [TS]

00:15:24   times and anybody that's traveled has [TS]

00:15:26   and a lot of the people i met on this [TS]

00:15:28   trip have never seen the ocean right so [TS]

00:15:31   you know in a way there were there were [TS]

00:15:34   moments where i had a kind of feeling of [TS]

00:15:36   like okay [TS]

00:15:37   we're talking right now about how the [TS]

00:15:41   Jews control the media I i'm not [TS]

00:15:43   mistaking like what the subtext of this [TS]

00:15:45   conversation is but I'm the only person [TS]

00:15:47   in this conversation that's ever seen [TS]

00:15:49   Neil the ocean so like you guys seem to [TS]

00:15:54   all feel like you've got the truth of [TS]

00:15:55   this story but but what you're missing [TS]

00:15:58   is knowledge like you don't you may he [TS]

00:16:02   in fact you may have the truth but you [TS]

00:16:05   don't have any knowledge that's a really [TS]

00:16:08   nice distinction he should know and I i [TS]

00:16:12   do not claim to have the truth at all [TS]

00:16:15   but i do have knowledge and it was a bit [TS]

00:16:22   that they were you know a lot of [TS]

00:16:24   experiences i had a lot of like side of [TS]

00:16:25   the road conversations where I where I [TS]

00:16:28   felt like I really do understand the [TS]

00:16:31   center of the country a little bit and I [TS]

00:16:34   like it [TS]

00:16:35   you know I like it here it it's not you [TS]

00:16:40   know it's not like primitive by contrast [TS]

00:16:44   but it's very different the values are [TS]

00:16:46   different the trajectory is different [TS]

00:16:48   they are not headed the same place that [TS]

00:16:52   the people on the coasts I can I can [TS]

00:16:55   hazard a couple pretty good guesses why [TS]

00:16:57   that is why you feel that way and just [TS]

00:16:59   giving some conversations we've had in [TS]

00:17:00   the last month or two [TS]

00:17:01   it's in you like you say it's not like [TS]

00:17:04   it's primitive but it is compared to [TS]

00:17:06   some things relatively uncomplicated you [TS]

00:17:10   know it's really really simple even but [TS]

00:17:12   I mean like there's there's a version of [TS]

00:17:14   how this goes and they're not staying up [TS]

00:17:16   all night worrying about it it it really [TS]

00:17:19   feels like it feels like like a [TS]

00:17:22   trajectory you know that that people on [TS]

00:17:25   the west coast are churning ID is faster [TS]

00:17:29   and there is there are there are [TS]

00:17:31   fashionable ideas people on the west and [TS]

00:17:34   east coast people out in the out in the [TS]

00:17:36   world people in Paris too [TS]

00:17:38   probably an Auckland New Zealand [TS]

00:17:41   are churning ideas maybe not often but [TS]

00:17:46   they're turning ideas and they're [TS]

00:17:47   they're going through them faster and [TS]

00:17:49   faster right you get it you get it as an [TS]

00:17:51   idea that flashes around everybody's [TS]

00:17:53   talking about it and and if you're [TS]

00:17:56   living in kansas city but your butt your [TS]

00:17:58   primary life is on the internet you [TS]

00:18:01   you're also part of this conversation [TS]

00:18:03   right but if you're not if you're not [TS]

00:18:05   part of it you're not eat you're not [TS]

00:18:07   aware of these like these these intense [TS]

00:18:11   passions of thought that seemed to be [TS]

00:18:16   leading us somewhere right where where [TS]

00:18:18   where the product you and I and our [TS]

00:18:21   listeners over the course of the last [TS]

00:18:23   three years where the product of 500 [TS]

00:18:26   5000 idea storms that that we can maybe [TS]

00:18:33   get ourselves or maybe it's true that [TS]

00:18:36   those ideas storms are building [TS]

00:18:37   something there there there we are [TS]

00:18:39   further along and if you were living [TS]

00:18:42   somewhere where you were none of those [TS]

00:18:44   ideas storms that happened the tempo of [TS]

00:18:48   thought is slower you know and and your [TS]

00:18:53   thought evolution is slower and you end [TS]

00:18:57   up on a different Road to some you know [TS]

00:18:59   you're headed [TS]

00:18:59   what you're on the road that you [TS]

00:19:01   perceive to be the road and out here on [TS]

00:19:05   the coasts where like where where we [TS]

00:19:09   have this sort of fracturing all the [TS]

00:19:11   time of of what we think even the road [TS]

00:19:13   is who [TS]

00:19:15   so i did not i didn't come i didn't come [TS]

00:19:20   over i didn't come through the country [TS]

00:19:23   feeling like more hopeful that we were [TS]

00:19:27   going to achieve a national consensus at [TS]

00:19:30   any time [TS]

00:19:34   and yet I had that experience that you [TS]

00:19:36   can't help but having when you're when [TS]

00:19:38   you're in the middle of the country [TS]

00:19:40   which is like everybody here is great [TS]

00:19:42   it's really nice and this is like and [TS]

00:19:45   everyone has good will you know there [TS]

00:19:47   are like very liberal people out here [TS]

00:19:49   there are people with very progressive [TS]

00:19:52   ideas but in general it feels like that [TS]

00:19:56   part of the country is starting to [TS]

00:19:58   really want different things [TS]

00:20:01   well you know I got a couple thoughts [TS]

00:20:02   are quickly on this one is that term i [TS]

00:20:04   learned from your freshman there's you [TS]

00:20:06   think about like depending on where you [TS]

00:20:08   live where the sources of when you think [TS]

00:20:11   about all these ideas being hustled in [TS]

00:20:13   one place or another or as you like to [TS]

00:20:14   say like trying on new ideas like where [TS]

00:20:17   are the sources of friction in those [TS]

00:20:18   areas and I think that's what one key [TS]

00:20:20   difference is you know whatever I mean [TS]

00:20:23   really simple over simplified way to [TS]

00:20:25   look at whatever your culture is [TS]

00:20:26   whatever whatever gets approved or [TS]

00:20:29   talked about mostly favorably a lot [TS]

00:20:31   tends to be the thing most people kind [TS]

00:20:32   of agree with I think generally and you [TS]

00:20:35   know you can you can have your own sort [TS]

00:20:36   of like disagreements about those things [TS]

00:20:38   maybe you want to get organic analyst [TS]

00:20:40   out of regular kale or whatever but i [TS]

00:20:42   think that we're your source efficient [TS]

00:20:43   exist are really interesting one of the [TS]

00:20:45   things that you mostly agree with other [TS]

00:20:46   people on and i think that's that's 11 [TS]

00:20:49   way in which that's different is that [TS]

00:20:50   like for medium and a lot of my friends [TS]

00:20:53   and like coastal dummies [TS]

00:20:55   it's like as soon as I have an idea that [TS]

00:20:57   feels to fixed in my mind that's when I [TS]

00:20:58   get nervous [TS]

00:20:59   yeah that's what I feel like I'm [TS]

00:21:00   probably full of shit is what i get when [TS]

00:21:02   i get to positive about anything and [TS]

00:21:04   everybody is agreeing with me like [TS]

00:21:06   that's that's when I start to think whoa [TS]

00:21:07   that this is an idea that needs to be [TS]

00:21:09   reexamined mhm but the other thing is [TS]

00:21:12   you so much for this makes any sense but [TS]

00:21:13   you know in I haven't traveled a great [TS]

00:21:16   deal and most of traveling a have done [TS]

00:21:18   has been the US but I'm starting to feel [TS]

00:21:20   like there's you've got you'll see you [TS]

00:21:23   got your kids and we're just completely [TS]

00:21:25   right off anybody who's under like 12 [TS]

00:21:26   but from like the age of 12 to like 27 [TS]

00:21:29   you got what i would call like young [TS]

00:21:31   people and no matter where you go in [TS]

00:21:32   America they're fucking insane [TS]

00:21:34   there are completely crazy but they're [TS]

00:21:36   kind of crazy in somewhat similar ways [TS]

00:21:37   they take a lot of risks they are very [TS]

00:21:41   skeptical of authority etcetera etcetera [TS]

00:21:43   at the other end you got people at my [TS]

00:21:46   age and older [TS]

00:21:47   who were things slow down a little bit [TS]

00:21:48   you become a little bit more forgiving [TS]

00:21:50   and humane a lot of the time but i think [TS]

00:21:52   that I wonder if the biggest differences [TS]

00:21:53   in America are in like the 33 year old [TS]

00:21:56   male across America you know what I mean [TS]

00:21:58   you think about how different what you [TS]

00:22:01   want to rap to the world is when you're [TS]

00:22:03   still like you're just enough out of the [TS]

00:22:04   oven that you've got a little bit of a [TS]

00:22:06   crust on you but like you still you [TS]

00:22:08   still don't really have any fucking idea [TS]

00:22:09   what's going on when you're in like your [TS]

00:22:10   late twenties early thirties you don't [TS]

00:22:12   mean like you take like the guy who [TS]

00:22:13   thinks he's the guy rapping the coolest [TS]

00:22:15   thing in Kansas City versus berkeley vs [TS]

00:22:18   are watching leno Seattle vs. New [TS]

00:22:22   Hampshire idea [TS]

00:22:23   did you notice bigger that's that's to [TS]

00:22:24   me like where I feel like I see [TS]

00:22:25   differences [TS]

00:22:26   well I'm part of it is that i'm looking [TS]

00:22:29   at 33 year old guys right that they are [TS]

00:22:32   they are peacocking the hardest they're [TS]

00:22:36   the ones that are the most expressive [TS]

00:22:40   about about the the idea is that they're [TS]

00:22:43   rapin they maybe got a little bit more [TS]

00:22:45   money to spend on demonstrating that [TS]

00:22:47   through peacocking well and yeah and i [TS]

00:22:49   think it [TS]

00:22:50   thirty-three-year-old is the peak but I [TS]

00:22:51   mean it starts at that starts at 22 [TS]

00:22:54   I mean what I had several tweet ups [TS]

00:22:56   across the country and I could walk into [TS]

00:22:58   a bar and pick out the people that were [TS]

00:22:59   there to see me from across the roads [TS]

00:23:02   are looking at the phone and crying well [TS]

00:23:04   and it's and it's not that it's not [TS]

00:23:06   because they were wearing beards because [TS]

00:23:08   everybody's wearing beards and it's not [TS]

00:23:09   because they're wearing a warby parker [TS]

00:23:12   glasses because that you see enough of [TS]

00:23:14   that but there's just enough there's a [TS]

00:23:17   subtle kind of combination of you know [TS]

00:23:21   the-the-the I ironic negro league [TS]

00:23:27   baseball shirt or the you know the but [TS]

00:23:32   just the cut of your jib if you can see [TS]

00:23:34   it from across the room [TS]

00:23:36   don't you mean yeah and for so for sure [TS]

00:23:40   i'm i'm i'm conscious of that difference [TS]

00:23:43   between 33 roles because i'm looking for [TS]

00:23:46   but also i do feel like those are the [TS]

00:23:49   those are the places where the idea [TS]

00:23:52   fashions lodge themselves [TS]

00:23:55   those are the those are the progenitors [TS]

00:23:56   of of the of the cause of the day you [TS]

00:24:01   know and in Kansas City you know like [TS]

00:24:05   for instance suspicions about the [TS]

00:24:06   government you know when I was a young [TS]

00:24:10   guy when you were a young guy the [TS]

00:24:12   difference between liberal and [TS]

00:24:14   conservative was that conservative [TS]

00:24:15   people were generally pro-government and [TS]

00:24:21   liberal people were generally suspicious [TS]

00:24:23   of government because government was the [TS]

00:24:26   cops and government was ronald reagan [TS]

00:24:29   and government was the man and left of [TS]

00:24:32   the entire culture that allowed richard [TS]

00:24:34   nixon to happen [TS]

00:24:35   yeah and right and left ism was the [TS]

00:24:37   counterculture that was that was the [TS]

00:24:40   other word name we still a narrative [TS]

00:24:42   into like the early nineties i think [TS]

00:24:43   yeah right right although all the way [TS]

00:24:45   through the the grunge years the left [TS]

00:24:49   and the counterculture were synonymous [TS]

00:24:51   and the right was was synonymous with [TS]

00:24:55   like the small town people and the [TS]

00:24:58   developer church values and so forth and [TS]

00:25:01   so on whether they were connected to the [TS]

00:25:04   government and the status quo and now [TS]

00:25:06   we're living in a world where all of the [TS]

00:25:09   the the the people in the prime of their [TS]

00:25:12   life in the middle of the country if [TS]

00:25:15   they proceed if they if they think of [TS]

00:25:17   themselves as conservative they think of [TS]

00:25:18   themselves as opposed to the government [TS]

00:25:20   which they perceive to be a product of [TS]

00:25:23   all these years of political correctness [TS]

00:25:26   all these years of university people and [TS]

00:25:31   the liberal media and Cena super I I get [TS]

00:25:33   the feeling smug intervention like yeah [TS]

00:25:36   you know better than everybody and [TS]

00:25:37   enforcing that down threats exactly i [TS]

00:25:39   mean it started when when somebody came [TS]

00:25:42   to their dads club and said you have to [TS]

00:25:45   start letting women into the club it [TS]

00:25:46   can't just be men only anymore and they [TS]

00:25:49   were like what the fuck is the [TS]

00:25:51   government doing telling me [TS]

00:25:52   blankety-blank [TS]

00:25:54   and that kind of you know the liberalism [TS]

00:25:57   that that in a way did have a up I grew [TS]

00:26:01   a tremendous power in American [TS]

00:26:04   government at the bureaucratic level you [TS]

00:26:08   know we talk it's it's funny how the [TS]

00:26:10   demographic shake-up when you just have [TS]

00:26:12   slightly fewer people who are [TS]

00:26:14   systematically kept from making money [TS]

00:26:16   and having power when you change that [TS]

00:26:19   shit before formally just a little bit's [TS]

00:26:20   this disruptive to everybody but the but [TS]

00:26:23   the liberal project was really to [TS]

00:26:27   colonize the bureaucracy of the [TS]

00:26:29   government you know in a in a way it [TS]

00:26:33   doesn't matter who the president is and [TS]

00:26:35   when at a national level we talked about [TS]

00:26:37   like oh it's you know the george bush's [TS]

00:26:40   in the business is in Iraq and wearing a [TS]

00:26:43   wearing a police state but at the [TS]

00:26:46   department of health and human services [TS]

00:26:48   they are still enacting a generally [TS]

00:26:52   liberal project you know and and we have [TS]

00:26:56   these yea yea even setting aside what [TS]

00:26:58   the actual goals or implementation is [TS]

00:26:59   the whole idea of it is essentially a [TS]

00:27:01   more liberal idea right [TS]

00:27:03   yeah so as long as there's public [TS]

00:27:05   housing as long as there's public [TS]

00:27:07   assistance as long as their social [TS]

00:27:09   security as long as there's food stamps [TS]

00:27:11   as long as there is and not just that [TS]

00:27:14   stuff but you know every time a [TS]

00:27:15   government government regulator comes [TS]

00:27:18   and tells you you have to clean the [TS]

00:27:19   asbestos out here furnace flue you know [TS]

00:27:23   it is in general a kind of liberalism in [TS]

00:27:27   action and it doesn't matter who the [TS]

00:27:29   commander-in-chief is and the middle of [TS]

00:27:33   the country perceives that and perceives [TS]

00:27:36   the m88 because they perceive it at a at [TS]

00:27:39   a street level you know they see those [TS]

00:27:43   changes enacted and they feel that [TS]

00:27:48   they've grown this estrangement to the [TS]

00:27:52   government and they state so they've [TS]

00:27:54   adopted all this [TS]

00:27:56   all this froth of like that that sounds [TS]

00:28:00   anarchist almost you know they are they [TS]

00:28:04   see themselves as a counterculture to [TS]

00:28:07   the to the forward motion the inevitable [TS]

00:28:10   forward motion of this liberal [TS]

00:28:15   conversion and that the only problem is [TS]

00:28:19   that the but the liberals on the Left [TS]

00:28:21   Coast also still see themselves as a [TS]

00:28:25   counterculture so everybody in the [TS]

00:28:28   fucking country now sees themselves as a [TS]

00:28:29   goddamn counter culture and the culture [TS]

00:28:34   that we perceive ourselves to be at war [TS]

00:28:37   with you know i mean if you if you went [TS]

00:28:40   down and talked to people at el centro [TS]

00:28:42   del rosa and say like do you feel like [TS]

00:28:44   the government is on your side you know [TS]

00:28:47   they're going to say no are you kidding [TS]

00:28:48   me we're living in a white male [TS]

00:28:50   supremacist police state where a you [TS]

00:28:55   know which is still have still has like [TS]

00:28:57   systemic discrimination and then you go [TS]

00:29:00   out to the country and you get some some [TS]

00:29:02   kid off of the back of his truck [TS]

00:29:04   do you feel like the government's on [TS]

00:29:05   your side he's like what are you kidding [TS]

00:29:07   me like nobody feels like the government [TS]

00:29:10   represents them and it's fucking bizarre [TS]

00:29:14   actually it's about ethics in video game [TS]

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00:30:41   of Roderick on the line we could not do [TS]

00:30:43   it without not all been nothing all [TS]

00:30:46   anything and so you got a 78 suburban [TS]

00:30:50   recovered I I don't give a new half the [TS]

00:30:52   states that you mentioned that's that's [TS]

00:30:54   it doesn't asinine number of states and [TS]

00:30:55   you covered it all in like five days [TS]

00:30:58   no well I mean you know I stayed in ohio [TS]

00:31:00   for 45 days you see family saw some [TS]

00:31:03   family I was a you know I have a have a [TS]

00:31:06   nephew who's a firefighter and we were [TS]

00:31:08   there at his fire station in ashland [TS]

00:31:10   oregon and he was showing us around and [TS]

00:31:15   then just like on remember the [TS]

00:31:19   television show emergency room getting [TS]

00:31:21   desoto again and just that maybe I i [TS]

00:31:23   think i remember can make sure that [TS]

00:31:27   sound [TS]

00:31:27   we're all around for my regular driving [TS]

00:31:31   around feeling ok it's a little older I [TS]

00:31:33   get a total boner from that sound I [TS]

00:31:35   should make that my ring town and then [TS]

00:31:37   and my nephew who was who is standing [TS]

00:31:39   right in front of me a with kids all [TS]

00:31:42   around him talking about the pumper [TS]

00:31:43   truck [TS]

00:31:44   his eyes went black like a shark and all [TS]

00:31:48   of a sudden he did not see us [TS]

00:31:50   no one saw us and all that was [TS]

00:31:53   communicated to us was you know my body [TS]

00:31:56   language is like a public-safety sleeper [TS]

00:31:58   settle [TS]

00:31:59   yeah right it was like get the fuck out [TS]

00:32:00   of the way do you hear the sound and we [TS]

00:32:02   all scrambled and they were in that [TS]

00:32:04   truck and a hole and ass out the door [TS]

00:32:08   with the siren on in sweats appear to be [TS]

00:32:11   seconds and I I you know I've known [TS]

00:32:14   firefighters have a good friend who's a [TS]

00:32:16   paramedic [TS]

00:32:19   I think about firefighters all the time [TS]

00:32:21   because they go by on the road but to be [TS]

00:32:24   in the fire station in this state of [TS]

00:32:26   like basically padding around in your [TS]

00:32:28   underwear having a day but Posada and [TS]

00:32:33   then just checking on the chili yeah I [TS]

00:32:35   want your story set bail and then like [TS]

00:32:40   the leap into action and and as they [TS]

00:32:44   were going out the door I was conscious [TS]

00:32:46   of the fact that they have no idea what [TS]

00:32:47   they're about to go see and it could be [TS]

00:32:50   a cat stuck in a tree or it could be a [TS]

00:32:52   Lincoln Continental on fire with six [TS]

00:32:54   people in it and can imagine that I [TS]

00:32:57   cannot and I can I can't imagine the not [TS]

00:33:00   knowing of that and you know and [TS]

00:33:02   probably it is only in continental like [TS]

00:33:04   full of people often enough that you [TS]

00:33:06   don't just kind of slacking off you [TS]

00:33:08   gotta treat each one like it's 911 [TS]

00:33:10   yeah and it's not I mean and and I think [TS]

00:33:12   it's statistically at least for these [TS]

00:33:13   guys out in central Ohio it's not it's [TS]

00:33:18   not a big car wreck for people that [TS]

00:33:20   often it's not a house fire that often [TS]

00:33:22   ninety-eight percent of the time it's [TS]

00:33:24   somebody who who finally ate the last [TS]

00:33:26   cheeto that put them over 750 pounds and [TS]

00:33:29   they have to go get the winch to get [TS]

00:33:30   them out of their house later that they [TS]

00:33:34   have a special truck for that by the way [TS]

00:33:35   they have a special truck in Ohio to get [TS]

00:33:40   people out of their houses they can't go [TS]

00:33:41   off the doorknob I don't crap out of the [TS]

00:33:45   second store I don't want to talk about [TS]

00:33:46   that on air but I really but when here i [TS]

00:33:49   want to hear about the obesity winch [TS]

00:33:51   I mean it was it was it serious like [TS]

00:33:52   that that because my you know my visit [TS]

00:33:55   the type of question my mom asks and she [TS]

00:33:56   was there and she was like what do you [TS]

00:33:57   do about the people that are too they're [TS]

00:33:59   too big to get out of bed and he kind of [TS]

00:34:01   like gave a little head nod and he [TS]

00:34:04   walked us around to the back of the fire [TS]

00:34:05   station to obama we write him a check it [TS]

00:34:08   kid [TS]

00:34:08   you can't fit them in a normal an [TS]

00:34:10   ambulance and here's the ambulance that [TS]

00:34:12   we use a little because they're like wow [TS]

00:34:14   there it is but [TS]

00:34:15   but the idea the idea that that through [TS]

00:34:19   the entire career of a fireman that they [TS]

00:34:23   are sitting there in this state of like [TS]

00:34:25   like hey nothing happened a minute ago [TS]

00:34:29   nothing's happened in this minute I'm [TS]

00:34:31   stirring the chili i'm watching my [TS]

00:34:33   stories [TS]

00:34:33   yep and then that Bell and then it's [TS]

00:34:36   like oh maybe I'm gonna go see the worst [TS]

00:34:38   thing I've ever seen in my life right [TS]

00:34:39   now and I have to know how to I have to [TS]

00:34:42   i'm the only one on the scene that's [TS]

00:34:44   gonna be able to fix it if anybody can [TS]

00:34:46   it's things like superhuman right and it [TS]

00:34:50   had to be able to have the Chilean [TS]

00:34:51   stories moments and in being your repose [TS]

00:34:53   and not be freaking out all the time or [TS]

00:34:55   you know having you know I'm better [TS]

00:34:57   cardiac around yeah and the other thing [TS]

00:35:00   is they're on duty 24 hours so it's just [TS]

00:35:03   like all right for the next 24 hours [TS]

00:35:04   you're going to be you're going to be [TS]

00:35:06   oscillating between these two poles [TS]

00:35:08   total calm and like manic like [TS]

00:35:13   borderline I mean you have to you have [TS]

00:35:15   to compress your emotions so hard and [TS]

00:35:17   then [TS]

00:35:18   oh then you're off work and you're just [TS]

00:35:20   like a normal kind of family guy [TS]

00:35:21   bumbling around the house for a few days [TS]

00:35:23   and then you're back in this situation [TS]

00:35:25   it just it its extraordinary one 24-hour [TS]

00:35:29   I mean I don't understand like my wife [TS]

00:35:32   works with his work with doctors for [TS]

00:35:34   years I've never understood that [TS]

00:35:36   why the long stretches for work that [TS]

00:35:38   involves so much careful detail and [TS]

00:35:41   presence of mind while i think that is [TS]

00:35:42   24 hours [TS]

00:35:43   I don't understand it either because it [TS]

00:35:46   just seems so let me get this reason I [TS]

00:35:48   don't on the corner office [TS]

00:35:49   I just that makes zero sense to me I [TS]

00:35:51   don't think I half understand the hazing [TS]

00:35:53   of needing to get people's head around [TS]

00:35:55   the idea that this is going to be [TS]

00:35:56   intense experience you're not allowed to [TS]

00:35:57   complain i understand six weeks of that [TS]

00:35:59   I don't understand years and years of [TS]

00:36:01   systematically putting people in [TS]

00:36:03   conditions that have been scientifically [TS]

00:36:04   shown to make you an efficient and slack [TS]

00:36:06   key i don't know if you've ever had the [TS]

00:36:08   experience of being worked on by an [TS]

00:36:11   emergency room doctor who's been on [TS]

00:36:12   shift 423 I'm gonna happen to saying [TS]

00:36:14   that nearly as often as you but I have [TS]

00:36:16   and that bleary-eyed a you know the [TS]

00:36:20   bleary-eyed hyper hyper competence of [TS]

00:36:23   somebody who's been has been up that [TS]

00:36:26   long [TS]

00:36:26   is like I mean in a way here they're [TS]

00:36:30   injured and you feel like hey we're in [TS]

00:36:32   the same boat a little bit like we're [TS]

00:36:34   together you and I are are in an [TS]

00:36:37   offworld right now you're tripping balls [TS]

00:36:39   and I'm tripping balls [TS]

00:36:41   I mean it may be trippin different balls [TS]

00:36:44   it it may be that if if you only worked [TS]

00:36:47   an eight hour shift in the fire station [TS]

00:36:48   you'd have guys that work for eight [TS]

00:36:50   hours and nothing ever happened and then [TS]

00:36:52   you guys we're all fell on them and so [TS]

00:36:55   thank you i get 12 hours i get 12 hours [TS]

00:36:58   I don't get 24 hours [TS]

00:36:59   yeah i don't know i mean they have babe [TS]

00:37:01   they have Murphy beds at the fire [TS]

00:37:03   station that they pull down and go to [TS]

00:37:04   sleep on their Murphy beds to think [TS]

00:37:08   about submarines [TS]

00:37:09   not long ago I think it might have been [TS]

00:37:11   some maybe that Steven Johnson [TS]

00:37:12   documentary thing but it is about how [TS]

00:37:15   likely they set their own time on [TS]

00:37:17   submarines to be what is it that [TS]

00:37:21   basically they monkey with the clocks so [TS]

00:37:23   that your you have like this totally [TS]

00:37:24   artificial 36 hour shifts in a day so [TS]

00:37:29   like you have six hours of on-duty six [TS]

00:37:31   hours of light duty and like six hours [TS]

00:37:33   of sleep and they delayed it sounds [TS]

00:37:36   completely crazy cuz you know you can [TS]

00:37:38   just basically create whatever [TS]

00:37:38   environment you want your dick there's [TS]

00:37:40   no light there's that can make it [TS]

00:37:42   whatever you want it to be but it just [TS]

00:37:43   sounds like a recipe for insanity of me [TS]

00:37:45   I like sleeping so much [TS]

00:37:48   yeah i feel i mean as I was as i was [TS]

00:37:51   driving across the country there was a [TS]

00:37:53   moment where the light every day there's [TS]

00:37:56   there's perfect like late afternoon [TS]

00:37:58   light and I said to myself out loud why [TS]

00:38:05   why does the Sun have to move smoothly [TS]

00:38:08   across the sky [TS]

00:38:10   why can't it just be four hours of early [TS]

00:38:13   morning light for hours of one in the [TS]

00:38:16   afternoon four hours of five in the [TS]

00:38:19   afternoon four hours of eight o'clock at [TS]

00:38:22   night you know like they're these [TS]

00:38:24   perfect moments of of the day and night [TS]

00:38:26   you'd be squelch it to kind of attenuate [TS]

00:38:28   on the light that you like [TS]

00:38:29   yeah and then at and then it could just [TS]

00:38:31   be dark 48 hours when everybody went to [TS]

00:38:34   sleep if I were george RR martin [TS]

00:38:38   I wouldn't have done this whole like a [TS]

00:38:40   winter comes every once in a while who [TS]

00:38:43   knows never not yet and I would have [TS]

00:38:46   done this other thing where the Sun kind [TS]

00:38:48   of ticks across the sky like a little [TS]

00:38:51   like an old knob like that like the one [TS]

00:38:54   really unless like the second hand on a [TS]

00:38:57   clock and really more like the hour hand [TS]

00:38:59   click yeah [TS]

00:39:00   click click click and now the different [TS]

00:39:03   times a day [TS]

00:39:03   Zoop I mean it would require physics to [TS]

00:39:06   be different but I'm gonna be pretty [TS]

00:39:08   always instead we can still have what [TS]

00:39:10   amounts to a 24 what we now call a [TS]

00:39:12   24-hour day would be so much more [TS]

00:39:13   convenient if we only had six actual [TS]

00:39:15   hours that we measured though you say [TS]

00:39:17   somebody else see it too and you're [TS]

00:39:18   roughly there at you know 2 at new to [TS]

00:39:20   let me thanks that work i can totally [TS]

00:39:24   make that work I don't do this money [TS]

00:39:26   position in my day haha i don't need 15 [TS]

00:39:29   minute increments in my day [TS]

00:39:31   um let me ask you this yeah I I don't [TS]

00:39:35   startle thing here but i I've been [TS]

00:39:37   thinking about this you're driving down [TS]

00:39:40   the road in let's say you haven't [TS]

00:39:43   recently been in a fire station let's [TS]

00:39:44   see it's just a normal day you hear [TS]

00:39:46   sirens coming from behind you do you [TS]

00:39:48   pull over [TS]

00:39:50   do I get off the road to let the car go [TS]

00:39:52   by yeah that look no yeah okay I do too [TS]

00:39:55   I do too i think it's the law to the [TS]

00:39:57   event I i would like to think that [TS]

00:40:00   that's the law when I was a child when I [TS]

00:40:03   was a child there was never any question [TS]

00:40:04   about it every single person on the red [TS]

00:40:06   fucking pulled over and let me let the [TS]

00:40:08   let the ambulance or the fire truck or [TS]

00:40:10   whatever go by now today it's they're [TS]

00:40:12   more like is it cool if I get by like I [TS]

00:40:15   can't believe how many people don't pull [TS]

00:40:17   over anymore for like a fucking [TS]

00:40:19   ambulance [TS]

00:40:20   did you notice this I mean I really [TS]

00:40:21   notices or even drive that much and i [TS]

00:40:23   noticed and I'm like what is wrong with [TS]

00:40:25   you people a lot of just sit they just [TS]

00:40:27   stopped their car you know like that's [TS]

00:40:29   gonna help know you have to get out of [TS]

00:40:30   the way if the move and let this thing [TS]

00:40:32   get by [TS]

00:40:33   are you with me on this yeah well I'd I [TS]

00:40:36   I see it I see that I declining [TS]

00:40:38   standards everywhere Merlin only so this [TS]

00:40:40   is my thread I'm trying to bring up here [TS]

00:40:42   yeah cuz I thought about this i thought [TS]

00:40:44   about this on your head [TS]

00:40:45   well yeah people are not are not obeying [TS]

00:40:47   the [TS]

00:40:48   the mores it might be time to revisit a [TS]

00:40:52   little bit of keep moving and get out of [TS]

00:40:53   the way but here's my thought on this i [TS]

00:40:55   was thinking this the other day because [TS]

00:40:56   that happened and i was i'm always [TS]

00:40:58   amazed by how many people don't and then [TS]

00:41:00   last night I was watching the baseball [TS]

00:41:01   game is great game and at the end of the [TS]

00:41:04   game they're interviewing this picture [TS]

00:41:05   this 25 year old kid who's this amazing [TS]

00:41:07   pitcher for the giants and while they're [TS]

00:41:09   on the the camera comes on the mic goes [TS]

00:41:12   on you can hear the audio now inside the [TS]

00:41:14   stadium of them interviewing him and [TS]

00:41:16   like only like a couple words get out of [TS]

00:41:18   the interviewers mouth before he turns [TS]

00:41:21   and he tips his cap and he says to the [TS]

00:41:24   audience thank you everybody thank you [TS]

00:41:26   it's like fucking a yes it was so great [TS]

00:41:28   to get like three more times and it [TS]

00:41:30   wasn't like you look at me you know i'm [TS]

00:41:32   madison just Baumgardner or whatever [TS]

00:41:34   he's doing what people used to do which [TS]

00:41:37   is you tip your fucking cap to the [TS]

00:41:39   stadium you know they can thank you [TS]

00:41:41   it's got a little class but when you go [TS]

00:41:43   off when you go off when you go off the [TS]

00:41:44   field you tip your cap you the people [TS]

00:41:46   applaud you look up and you graciously [TS]

00:41:48   like a gentleman [TS]

00:41:49   you fucking tip your cap and you say [TS]

00:41:50   thank you well don't get me started on [TS]

00:41:52   tip your cap who I mean you know the [TS]

00:41:55   range on to do I actually want to get [TS]

00:41:57   you started i'm looking for a new canon [TS]

00:41:59   here i'm looking for a new cannon with 2 [TS]

00:42:01   n's not three but there were we can we [TS]

00:42:03   can heal the divides between all these [TS]

00:42:05   different vehicles and and what they're [TS]

00:42:07   wrapping and I want to look I don't talk [TS]

00:42:09   about money i don't want to talk about [TS]

00:42:10   politics [TS]

00:42:11   I want to talk about what's the stuff [TS]

00:42:12   that just we all need to get on the same [TS]

00:42:14   page with and I think I think moving [TS]

00:42:15   over for the ambulance and tip your cap [TS]

00:42:17   is a great place to start [TS]

00:42:18   well the place to start is take your [TS]

00:42:23   goddamn hat off when you walk inside [TS]

00:42:25   oh please give today you can wear it's [TS]

00:42:28   not kids it's guys my age like you know [TS]

00:42:30   why but they're the only ones that are [TS]

00:42:33   wearing stupid hats [TS]

00:42:34   what's there but also that the proxy [TS]

00:42:36   hater ball balls actually but I don't [TS]

00:42:39   get I don't give a shit if you're always [TS]

00:42:40   been somebody they think it's like [TS]

00:42:42   asking somebody take a prosthetic legs [TS]

00:42:44   like I'm not taking this off the thing [TS]

00:42:45   is that in nineteen eighty being bald [TS]

00:42:47   was I was difficult i admit that i [TS]

00:42:51   really like while Shawn it was a general [TS]

00:42:53   question [TS]

00:42:53   yeah the standard was uh that you were a [TS]

00:42:56   member of the that you were the star of [TS]

00:42:58   the Bee Gees and not his fault brother [TS]

00:43:00   everybody wanted a big hair and if you [TS]

00:43:02   didn't have a big hair [TS]

00:43:03   yeah you had Wallace Shawn little Tufts [TS]

00:43:05   on the side and it was embarrassing but [TS]

00:43:07   somewhere along the line in the nineteen [TS]

00:43:09   nineties we invented the technology of [TS]

00:43:11   shaving your head and now Paul guys look [TS]

00:43:13   amazing ball guys look tough and cool [TS]

00:43:16   and only you bald guy even know if [TS]

00:43:19   you're bald and yours how her through [TS]

00:43:21   being bald [TS]

00:43:22   yeah the pearl you're the ball tough guy [TS]

00:43:24   who's doesn't take any shit off anybody [TS]

00:43:26   bald bald bald is beautiful [TS]

00:43:28   so your hat is no longer like bullshit [TS]

00:43:31   you're had your hat is a hat and if you [TS]

00:43:34   want to bring hats back [TS]

00:43:36   you also have to bring the whole retinue [TS]

00:43:38   of hat etiquette [TS]

00:43:40   the first and easiest thing the first [TS]

00:43:43   and easiest part of which is they take [TS]

00:43:46   it off when you come inside and I [TS]

00:43:47   recognize that once you're inside and [TS]

00:43:49   you've taken your hat off now you have [TS]

00:43:52   the awkward problem of carrying your hat [TS]

00:43:55   around where it's much easier to carry [TS]

00:43:58   your hat on your head where it was [TS]

00:44:00   before but wearing a hat is not easy it [TS]

00:44:04   should it is not a simple thing that [TS]

00:44:06   interests with a certain [TS]

00:44:06   responsibilities does it's like fucking [TS]

00:44:09   carrying a sword around if you don't get [TS]

00:44:11   to carry it on an airplane and you don't [TS]

00:44:14   get to where you're freaking hat [TS]

00:44:15   wherever you got them 100 you don't have [TS]

00:44:18   to check it but you should put in the [TS]

00:44:20   overhead bin if the doors of the [TS]

00:44:22   building that you're walking into our [TS]

00:44:24   barn doors you can keep your hat on [TS]

00:44:26   yeah it's this little nuance because i [TS]

00:44:29   think i think definitely that no [TS]

00:44:30   question if you're sitting one drives me [TS]

00:44:31   crazy when people sit down to eat dinner [TS]

00:44:33   and they're wearing a hat I don't know [TS]

00:44:34   why but that really bothers me [TS]

00:44:35   I don't know why you don't know why that [TS]

00:44:37   bothers you or because it is affront to [TS]

00:44:39   humanity [TS]

00:44:40   yes yes take your goddamn head off and [TS]

00:44:43   take your hat off when they play the [TS]

00:44:45   national and all that's number three [TS]

00:44:46   it's right right here on the list number [TS]

00:44:48   three [TS]

00:44:49   first of all get up and fucking sing the [TS]

00:44:50   national anthem I don't care if you're a [TS]

00:44:51   patriot or not just get up and sing the [TS]

00:44:53   damn song [TS]

00:44:53   put your hand over your heart will take [TS]

00:44:55   your hat off and put it over your heart [TS]

00:44:57   these are just simple little things if [TS]

00:44:59   these this is exactly what I'm looking [TS]

00:45:00   for John is more small ships see I feel [TS]

00:45:02   like there's some gray areas i think if [TS]

00:45:04   you're an elevator you take off your hat [TS]

00:45:05   if you're in somebody's personal [TS]

00:45:06   residence you take your head if you're [TS]

00:45:07   in the lobby of a hotel i would say [TS]

00:45:09   probably take off your hat lobby of a [TS]

00:45:12   hotel if you're wearing your own [TS]

00:45:13   the code you're carrying your suitcases [TS]

00:45:15   put in his papers and newspaper under [TS]

00:45:17   your arms around I feel like keep your [TS]

00:45:18   head on feel like a lobby of the hotel [TS]

00:45:21   you're still in a transition between [TS]

00:45:22   here and there yes but once you get on [TS]

00:45:24   that elevator schedule is a lady take [TS]

00:45:26   out every goddamn hat off and and like [TS]

00:45:31   rejoice in it [TS]

00:45:32   rejoice in you you are already rejoicing [TS]

00:45:35   in what you perceived to be e and this [TS]

00:45:39   includes baseball hats I'm not just [TS]

00:45:40   reminisce dumping on people in fedoras [TS]

00:45:42   like you wear your wear your hat it Matt [TS]

00:45:47   it means something to you ride it [TS]

00:45:49   matters there's something about having [TS]

00:45:51   it on that that leg but it's not just [TS]

00:45:53   you know even if it has become an [TS]

00:45:55   absent-minded thing at a certain point [TS]

00:45:57   the Hat you recognize like this hat is [TS]

00:46:00   going to be part of my identity this hat [TS]

00:46:02   is part of my thing like rejoice in in [TS]

00:46:06   all of the little dams that wearing a [TS]

00:46:09   hat allows you to engage in that was a [TS]

00:46:12   POC word sentence no I was with you [TS]

00:46:14   forever awkward step I remember I I know [TS]

00:46:16   what I'm gonna change my game because I [TS]

00:46:18   where I wear like a like a car hard hat [TS]

00:46:19   like a lot of the time because i want to [TS]

00:46:21   keep my head warm to what you you should [TS]

00:46:23   switch over to fill some help but yeah i [TS]

00:46:25   agree okay you know i also got your hair [TS]

00:46:27   cut so it's gonna be easier for me to [TS]

00:46:29   take off a hat without having had head [TS]

00:46:30   now but when i was walking across Europe [TS]

00:46:33   up very shortly after I started really [TS]

00:46:37   walking across the flat planes which up [TS]

00:46:41   believing around starts all the way up [TS]

00:46:42   in Holland I was like oh my god the Sun [TS]

00:46:45   is beating down on me all day long and [TS]

00:46:48   i'm not gonna be able to survive this [TS]

00:46:49   this is like it's it's it's brutalizing [TS]

00:46:52   me and I stayed the night in a little [TS]

00:46:57   farmhouse and in the morning the the a [TS]

00:47:01   wife of the house said you need a hat [TS]

00:47:05   and I was like I was just thinking that [TS]

00:47:07   I do need a hat and she reached up on a [TS]

00:47:08   peg and she took down this straw farmers [TS]

00:47:11   had and she said here you can have this [TS]

00:47:14   and i was like i can have this year [TS]

00:47:15   amazing strong farmers and she was like [TS]

00:47:17   I go you know you you need it more than [TS]

00:47:19   we do and I wore this had all the way [TS]

00:47:22   across Europe and over [TS]

00:47:26   the over the weeks i realized that out [TS]

00:47:31   in the country all these little hat [TS]

00:47:34   gestures still convey a ton of [TS]

00:47:38   information who you put your finger up [TS]

00:47:41   to it to you know take a little like a [TS]

00:47:43   little mini salute [TS]

00:47:45   yeah one finger up to the brim to salute [TS]

00:47:46   a guy that's on a tractor you a you know [TS]

00:47:50   you grab the brim and pull it down [TS]

00:47:52   slightly to salute somebody who's [TS]

00:47:56   driving by in a car you reach up and [TS]

00:47:59   lifted off your head just slightly and [TS]

00:48:01   put it back down if you pass a woman [TS]

00:48:03   who's walking on the road you take it [TS]

00:48:06   off when you're asking a question never [TS]

00:48:10   task never ask someone a question [TS]

00:48:12   without taking your hat off because the [TS]

00:48:17   gesture of taking your hat off says I i [TS]

00:48:21   beseech you just heard someone it's um [TS]

00:48:25   it's differential that's right [TS]

00:48:27   hello I need information i am i am here [TS]

00:48:30   at your at your service and there are so [TS]

00:48:34   many times in a day when you can [TS]

00:48:36   communicate i am at your service to [TS]

00:48:38   someone simply by taking your head off [TS]

00:48:40   and in a lot of cases i had a language [TS]

00:48:42   barrier but i was able to surmount the [TS]

00:48:46   language barrier because I learned that [TS]

00:48:49   the sign language of the Hat and you eat [TS]

00:48:54   eat [TS]

00:48:54   you can take it off you can take it and [TS]

00:48:56   and do a couple of little hat tricks [TS]

00:48:58   flip it around or whatever to impress a [TS]

00:49:00   little kid like but people understand [TS]

00:49:03   that you are a human being if they see [TS]

00:49:07   you off your hat or if they see you [TS]

00:49:09   gesture with your hat they recognize [TS]

00:49:13   that across cultures and I think across [TS]

00:49:16   time that is the sign that like I am a [TS]

00:49:19   civilized person and i'm here i'm happy [TS]

00:49:23   i'm passing through your your time in [TS]

00:49:25   place [TS]

00:49:25   mhm but I'm not a monster i'm not [TS]

00:49:28   someone who's hiding under this hat like [TS]

00:49:31   the head comes off when it's time to [TS]

00:49:33   interact and kind of puts me in mind of [TS]

00:49:34   sunglasses a little bit because I think [TS]

00:49:36   some of the same people who never take [TS]

00:49:38   your hat off don't like to the sunglass [TS]

00:49:39   is off i think it's because there's [TS]

00:49:40   they're basically building up a little [TS]

00:49:42   personal wall [TS]

00:49:43   yeah and say they don't want to take the [TS]

00:49:45   sunglasses up picking up your inside and [TS]

00:49:46   you're wearing sunglasses like you [TS]

00:49:48   better be Jackie Gleason here's a four [TS]

00:49:50   people one who people who want a little [TS]

00:49:52   wall around them here is a great [TS]

00:49:54   solution stay in the bathroom at your [TS]

00:49:56   house there's for your way there had all [TS]

00:50:00   you what you can turn the sink on and [TS]

00:50:02   get water you can poop and pee it goes [TS]

00:50:04   away and don't fucking come out and deal [TS]

00:50:07   with the rest of us like you don't get [TS]

00:50:09   to come out this is the thing that I get [TS]

00:50:10   that that ICS trending toward and this [TS]

00:50:13   is going into the shoes here aren't we [TS]

00:50:15   this is more true on the coast when it [TS]

00:50:17   is in the middle of America for sure is [TS]

00:50:19   that just taking shoes off on a plane [TS]

00:50:21   that were headed [TS]

00:50:21   well with out too but but but you know [TS]

00:50:25   I'm talking now to the to the early [TS]

00:50:27   adopters the technologists like your [TS]

00:50:30   google glass also are you are not [TS]

00:50:33   entitled to them you know you take them [TS]

00:50:36   off as it not not because of anything [TS]

00:50:40   not because anything you just take them [TS]

00:50:44   off out of just a good old-fashioned [TS]

00:50:46   respect you you shouldn't need a reason [TS]

00:50:48   you don't need a reason and and to sit [TS]

00:50:51   and give me a list of 25 reasons why you [TS]

00:50:53   need them on it there those are 25 those [TS]

00:50:56   are 25 bullet points about what a [TS]

00:50:58   bullshitter you are you know take that [TS]

00:51:00   shit off and take your headphones off [TS]

00:51:02   and take and stop you know like when [TS]

00:51:05   you're interacting with people when you [TS]

00:51:06   walk into a room for the first time when [TS]

00:51:09   you meet somebody for the first time [TS]

00:51:10   when you're sharing a public conveyance [TS]

00:51:13   with somebody be conscious of the fact [TS]

00:51:15   that your little bubble is not you know [TS]

00:51:20   it your little bubble is rude basically [TS]

00:51:23   and and you should every time you walk [TS]

00:51:25   out of the house in your little bubble [TS]

00:51:27   you should be conscious of the fact that [TS]

00:51:29   it is rude and the rest of us are [TS]

00:51:31   allowing for it because maybe you're out [TS]

00:51:34   for a jog or maybe you're working on a [TS]

00:51:36   big presentation you know like we allow [TS]

00:51:39   you to be in your bubble to a certain [TS]

00:51:43   extent who but your responsibility is to [TS]

00:51:47   recognize that that is not your [TS]

00:51:48   entitlement all the time and you don't [TS]

00:51:50   get to be in a bubble out [TS]

00:51:52   in our world sharing our fucking world [TS]

00:51:55   with us and also be in your bubble [TS]

00:51:58   it's like not I i went into a cafe today [TS]

00:52:01   and there was a guy there my age in [TS]

00:52:04   Moscow it's like we're in a where [TS]

00:52:09   top-to-bottom hipster clothes I was like [TS]

00:52:12   I you know I want I saw him through the [TS]

00:52:14   glass and I was like hey there's a guy [TS]

00:52:16   that I might be able to have an [TS]

00:52:17   interesting conversation about Hitler [TS]

00:52:19   with and I walk in and then all of a [TS]

00:52:22   sudden he's talking into his phone he's [TS]

00:52:27   the loudest thing in the room there's 40 [TS]

00:52:30   people in this cafe and he's saying well [TS]

00:52:34   I told him that we wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:52:35   you know get the the the Johnson [TS]

00:52:37   contracts until we had the you know the [TS]

00:52:39   the pipefitters union and I'm just like [TS]

00:52:42   are you kidding me [TS]

00:52:44   I I like your glasses i go as far as to [TS]

00:52:47   like your glasses and your this is how [TS]

00:52:49   you repay me [TS]

00:52:49   you know this is an old well this is [TS]

00:52:51   this is etiquette from another age mean [TS]

00:52:53   about 20 years ago but if i get a phone [TS]

00:52:55   call I still walk outside i leave the [TS]

00:52:58   table if I have to take him lightly on [TS]

00:53:00   the table usually go outside to talk you [TS]

00:53:02   certainly don't stand in line in a place [TS]

00:53:05   and then talk to a spa one who is [TS]

00:53:09   serving you while you're talking into a [TS]

00:53:12   phone like I am I should carry you know [TS]

00:53:15   that you know when you go to truck stops [TS]

00:53:16   and they have those little baseball bats [TS]

00:53:18   to to check tire pressure on big rigs [TS]

00:53:20   yes there and all the truck stops and [TS]

00:53:25   across America that sir that is your [TS]

00:53:26   actual truckers is an etiquette baton [TS]

00:53:28   for you you should just carry the one of [TS]

00:53:31   these little tire thumpers just like the [TS]

00:53:33   phone out of there and nobody either not [TS]

00:53:35   the fun out of their hands or just [TS]

00:53:36   walking on the side of the knee [TS]

00:53:38   Wow and then oh shit I'm next in line [TS]

00:53:42   the guys down there yelling into his [TS]

00:53:45   phone call the police [TS]

00:53:46   you know you love your home your are [TS]

00:53:48   chrome drawings on like society falling [TS]

00:53:50   apart i I've seen this one with the [TS]

00:53:52   evolution of the headphones where you [TS]

00:53:55   know for a long time you know it was it [TS]

00:53:57   was kind of weird to like be somebody [TS]

00:53:59   listening to a walk maybe I I do it all [TS]

00:54:00   the time listen to podcasts all the time [TS]

00:54:02   when I walked [TS]

00:54:02   around on the street but you know I i do [TS]

00:54:04   have a thing I do wear like as soon as i [TS]

00:54:06   get in line [TS]

00:54:07   uh I tend to want to take off my [TS]

00:54:10   headphones because I I feel like I'm [TS]

00:54:12   already engaged in a process here so I [TS]

00:54:14   mean I don't get too far into this but [TS]

00:54:16   there is a chilling vision here so on [TS]

00:54:18   the one hand you got the guy you got the [TS]

00:54:20   guy who takes his headphones off which [TS]

00:54:21   is hopefully us then you got the guy who [TS]

00:54:23   doesn't do the dish thing where they [TS]

00:54:25   leave one headphone in and talk to you [TS]

00:54:27   about the other one in their hand like a [TS]

00:54:28   petunia mother talking to you huh [TS]

00:54:31   right but there will be something I seat [TS]

00:54:33   why someone that is chilling to me which [TS]

00:54:34   is somebody somebody walking up in the [TS]

00:54:37   coffee place with their headphones on [TS]

00:54:38   and the person at the counter at the [TS]

00:54:40   cash register the barista also has fucks [TS]

00:54:43   you start to think this is like [TS]

00:54:46   something out of philip k dick this is [TS]

00:54:48   this cannot end well I and I you know I [TS]

00:54:52   remember for a while there maybe it was [TS]

00:54:55   only in skymall but there were there [TS]

00:54:57   they were selling a little like um [TS]

00:54:59   universal television remote we can shut [TS]

00:55:03   off the TV you can shut off the TV and [TS]

00:55:04   public places if you have this thing and [TS]

00:55:06   I always I always thought about getting [TS]

00:55:09   it but it felt like I had to balance my [TS]

00:55:13   desire to have that thing against my [TS]

00:55:15   maybe stronger desire never to carry [TS]

00:55:18   around a thing you know now I don't [TS]

00:55:20   carry around a bunch of gizmos and the [TS]

00:55:22   last thing I wanted was a was like an [TS]

00:55:25   asshole gizmo like this but if I was a [TS]

00:55:26   good if I was a guy that was that was [TS]

00:55:29   carrying a bunch of stuff anyway I would [TS]

00:55:31   love to have a thing that turns TV's off [TS]

00:55:33   da we'll see i have mixed feelings on [TS]

00:55:36   that because i will just the small the [TS]

00:55:39   small feeling is that that's a dick move [TS]

00:55:40   to do that that's not your place but my [TS]

00:55:43   much huger feeling is Jesus Christ why [TS]

00:55:46   is Fox News and CNN and sports well what [TS]

00:55:49   does that have to be on in every [TS]

00:55:51   restaurant why does it have to be on in [TS]

00:55:53   every Airport I think it's partly [TS]

00:55:54   because men in particular are terrified [TS]

00:55:56   of being alone with your thoughts [TS]

00:55:57   yeah but I swear now as long as we're [TS]

00:55:59   coming up with the new can and i think [TS]

00:56:00   one of them is like just shut that shit [TS]

00:56:02   off like if it's not if it's a baseball [TS]

00:56:03   game you really want to watch have it on [TS]

00:56:05   in your restaurant but like no remodel [TS]

00:56:08   in our city is complete until two tvs [TS]

00:56:11   have been added [TS]

00:56:12   yeah right and it's a man and I don't [TS]

00:56:13   think it's a problem of [TS]

00:56:15   like TV it's a problem of like [TS]

00:56:18   proliferation of town they got bathrooms [TS]

00:56:20   too but they have doors [TS]

00:56:22   yeah there's tvs you know like if you're [TS]

00:56:23   if you have a place there should be a TV [TS]

00:56:26   over in a TV place and there should be [TS]

00:56:29   seats arranged that are facing the TV [TS]

00:56:31   not a bar where seats are arranged as [TS]

00:56:35   though people are going to be talking to [TS]

00:56:36   each other and then TVs on every flat [TS]

00:56:39   surface where you have to swivel your [TS]

00:56:41   chair around two to see what the person [TS]

00:56:43   you're talking to is looking at but also [TS]

00:56:45   in airports TVs every three feet like [TS]

00:56:47   there should be a TV lounge in the [TS]

00:56:49   airport if you want to go watch TV [TS]

00:56:50   should be like the milking we should [TS]

00:56:52   have a TV area [TS]

00:56:53   yeah the rest of the space should be [TS]

00:56:54   bullshit because that be particularly [TS]

00:56:57   airports where they turn the volume on [TS]

00:56:59   it's like I'm already my mind is already [TS]

00:57:02   cluttered with travel thinking with like [TS]

00:57:04   like flying thinking with I mean I'm [TS]

00:57:08   trying to get my bags and my tickets and [TS]

00:57:10   I'm trying to go up to the counter and [TS]

00:57:12   talk to the woman about maybe i can get [TS]

00:57:14   an upgrade and CNN is yelling at me [TS]

00:57:17   about Ebola like right in my face and [TS]

00:57:19   right in my ear it's it is it's [TS]

00:57:22   profoundly rude and intrusive and it is [TS]

00:57:26   perceived to be a a bonus right the [TS]

00:57:30   airports are putting those in there [TS]

00:57:31   because they're like look what we're [TS]

00:57:32   doing for you [TS]

00:57:33   everybody look at this amazing thing [TS]

00:57:35   that we're doing we're giving you this [TS]

00:57:37   opportunity and it and it it speaks to [TS]

00:57:42   like the degradation of public space the [TS]

00:57:45   degradation of of the idea that we [TS]

00:57:49   should ever be alone with our thoughts [TS]

00:57:51   or have have a moment of quiet [TS]

00:57:53   reflection I mean with 20 years ago I [TS]

00:57:59   was a member of a little group of people [TS]

00:58:00   here in Seattle who late at night [TS]

00:58:04   periodically would go climb and alter [TS]

00:58:09   billboards we had a little billboard [TS]

00:58:12   altering gang and we did some I think [TS]

00:58:18   some pretty great work it was it was [TS]

00:58:21   only a couple years and we probably [TS]

00:58:23   altered all together maybe 15 20 [TS]

00:58:28   billboards and we would target [TS]

00:58:32   you know those the really graphic [TS]

00:58:34   anti-abortion ones or the you know the [TS]

00:58:37   real like competence and compensatory [TS]

00:58:40   jacked-up truck ones or you know like we [TS]

00:58:45   do and we would we would make a good [TS]

00:58:47   joke and they would get in the newspaper [TS]

00:58:49   and we had a good time wearing masks and [TS]

00:58:52   feeling like we were kind of banksy [TS]

00:58:54   before there was a banksy but really the [TS]

00:58:57   the argument was that these billboards [TS]

00:59:02   that billboards are things that give you [TS]

00:59:05   no choice [TS]

00:59:07   like whoever owned the space the air [TS]

00:59:10   space on the roof of the building sold [TS]

00:59:12   it to somebody who put up this big big [TS]

00:59:14   picture that you have no choice but to [TS]

00:59:16   look at right and as billboards [TS]

00:59:18   proliferate we all get used to the idea [TS]

00:59:23   that and and we all just sort of tassili [TS]

00:59:27   except that the notion that you should [TS]

00:59:29   not be able to just look around your [TS]

00:59:31   town without people shouting at you to [TS]

00:59:35   buy things and when you really start to [TS]

00:59:39   look at billboards in your town and and [TS]

00:59:42   as you're driving down the road it [TS]

00:59:45   becomes like well i grossly offensive [TS]

00:59:47   that your eyes which you need to have [TS]

00:59:52   open in order to walk or drive your your [TS]

00:59:56   eyes then our targeted everywhere you [TS]

00:59:59   look [TS]

00:59:59   look [TS]

01:00:00   by people who have no more right to do [TS]

01:00:03   it than just that they own or think they [TS]

01:00:05   owned or rented the you know the space [TS]

01:00:09   where the feet of the Billboard are [TS]

01:00:11   right there's no there's no set we don't [TS]

01:00:14   have a cent in our culture of like [TS]

01:00:15   renting the the space internationally on [TS]

01:00:19   cubic inches of sky right and there but [TS]

01:00:21   they are renting space in our minds you [TS]

01:00:24   know and it's space that they did that [TS]

01:00:26   they're not entitled to just because [TS]

01:00:28   they can we hit because they own the 23 [TS]

01:00:31   square feet where the foot of the [TS]

01:00:32   Billboard goes doesn't mean that they [TS]

01:00:34   own this like this real estate in my in [TS]

01:00:40   it like in my innocence in a way the [TS]

01:00:44   real estate of of just the innocence of [TS]

01:00:48   walking around with your eyes open and [TS]

01:00:51   we have become I mean 20 years ago it [TS]

01:00:55   seemed like we could still mount a [TS]

01:00:58   resistance to billboards proliferating [TS]

01:01:03   but now we're on the other side of that [TS]

01:01:05   and we because we accepted that because [TS]

01:01:09   we accepted years and years and years [TS]

01:01:11   ago decades before this idea of the [TS]

01:01:15   Billboard now our online life is just is [TS]

01:01:18   just billboards and everywhere you look [TS]

01:01:21   you have no you have no I innocence [TS]

01:01:24   anymore [TS]

01:01:25   somebody's trying to get in there every [TS]

01:01:27   up every chance i get inside think about [TS]

01:01:32   laying around the plane like even like [TS]

01:01:34   on virgin america they show the safety [TS]

01:01:36   video and then you have to sit there and [TS]

01:01:38   watch a commercial or three that you can [TS]

01:01:41   turn off that's about a foot and a half [TS]

01:01:42   from your face and and when I when they [TS]

01:01:45   first started doing that i would i would [TS]

01:01:46   flag the stewardess down and i would say [TS]

01:01:49   to have a piece of tape [TS]

01:01:50   yeah and they would always kind of sales [TS]

01:01:52   i think so and they come back to the [TS]

01:01:53   pi├Ęce de ballet she always carry a [TS]

01:01:55   first ape tape a piece of paper over my [TS]

01:01:57   TV screen because i was so I was so [TS]

01:02:00   offended by actually the original one [TS]

01:02:02   was when it was it was just liquid [TS]

01:02:04   crystal on the back you can get when [TS]

01:02:07   they first had phones in the background [TS]

01:02:09   airplane seats and then they realized [TS]

01:02:11   that that little liquid crystal display [TS]

01:02:12   could they could program it just to to [TS]

01:02:16   try and sell you a mastercard or [TS]

01:02:17   something i would take my piece of paper [TS]

01:02:20   over there and then everybody looked at [TS]

01:02:21   me like I was wearing a tinfoil hat it's [TS]

01:02:24   like no I just this thing is this little [TS]

01:02:26   thing is yelling at me and it's [TS]

01:02:28   programmed to flash in such a way that I [TS]

01:02:30   keep looking at it and like you say it's [TS]

01:02:33   one foot in front of my face and I [TS]

01:02:36   already paid four hundred dollars for [TS]

01:02:38   this chair anything about the airports [TS]

01:02:42   that drives me crazy there's all this [TS]

01:02:44   you know obviously there's all the [TS]

01:02:45   security theater stuff you know with TSA [TS]

01:02:47   when there's all of these so you going [TS]

01:02:49   to sit down you're trying desperately to [TS]

01:02:50   find out if there's anything that's [TS]

01:02:52   changed with your flight so you gotta [TS]

01:02:54   kind of had listened with half an ear to [TS]

01:02:55   find out what's happening with your [TS]

01:02:56   flight and you got here everybody else's [TS]

01:02:58   flights which is fine you got here CNN [TS]

01:03:01   and fox which are blaring and then here [TS]

01:03:03   the Robo announcements with the [TS]

01:03:05   extremely important security information [TS]

01:03:06   about not leaving your bags unattended [TS]

01:03:07   like is there anybody who's going to [TS]

01:03:10   process that every time it comes on its [TS]

01:03:12   it's just interesting nobody fucking [TS]

01:03:14   cares it's just a drone [TS]

01:03:16   yeah that the airport's I i flew [TS]

01:03:19   frontier this last time when i flew out [TS]

01:03:21   to Massachusetts or I didn't actually [TS]

01:03:23   fly frontier here's what happened [TS]

01:03:26   I had a ticket on front here and i [TS]

01:03:28   missed the flight because that's [TS]

01:03:30   apparently something that starts to [TS]

01:03:31   happen to you when you're in your [TS]

01:03:32   forties I've never missed a flight [TS]

01:03:34   before before the last two years and in [TS]

01:03:38   the last two years I've missed [TS]

01:03:39   I don't know three four flights that [TS]

01:03:42   your final family right [TS]

01:03:43   yeah but like we're over getting you [TS]

01:03:48   know work getting some supplies and [TS]

01:03:50   going potty and then we get to the gate [TS]

01:03:52   and they close the door because they [TS]

01:03:53   close their 15 minutes before now anyway [TS]

01:03:56   I missed the flight on frontier and I [TS]

01:03:58   was like well that sucks let's try and [TS]

01:04:00   get us on another flight [TS]

01:04:02   and frontiers a discount airline and [TS]

01:04:04   they don't and part of how they are they [TS]

01:04:06   achieved the discount is that they don't [TS]

01:04:08   partner with other airlines and they [TS]

01:04:10   don't they don't think they can't they [TS]

01:04:16   can't and talk to their friends at delta [TS]

01:04:17   and work out a trade for people who need [TS]

01:04:19   to get similar right and they don't fly [TS]

01:04:21   to a lot of places they just have a [TS]

01:04:22   small and I was like okay I mean I i'm [TS]

01:04:25   flying a discount airline this is this [TS]

01:04:28   was an experiment and now I see like [TS]

01:04:31   what kind of what the problem is like [TS]

01:04:33   yeah they can helps get me on a delta or [TS]

01:04:36   alaska flight because because they just [TS]

01:04:38   don't have the the most amazing thing [TS]

01:04:42   happened which was frontier airline did [TS]

01:04:46   not have another flight coming in or [TS]

01:04:49   going out for several hours and everyone [TS]

01:04:53   who worked for frontier in that airport [TS]

01:04:54   disappeared [TS]

01:04:57   you got you got a real knack for that [TS]

01:04:59   and I went through security to go back [TS]

01:05:03   out to the counter and there was no one [TS]

01:05:06   there and I said to the woman at the [TS]

01:05:09   jetblue counter next to the next door I [TS]

01:05:10   said what what do you do in this [TS]

01:05:13   situation she said well they just go [TS]

01:05:15   away and then they come back in four [TS]

01:05:16   hours and you can go pound on that door [TS]

01:05:19   I've done a million times like makin [TS]

01:05:20   clock out because there it is not their [TS]

01:05:22   time or something so I called frontier [TS]

01:05:25   on the phone it was like hey I've got a [TS]

01:05:26   I've got a problem and I need to resolve [TS]

01:05:29   it and they were like yeah you have to [TS]

01:05:30   resolve that the airport and no one will [TS]

01:05:32   be there until five or something and and [TS]

01:05:36   it was i mean i i've complained about [TS]

01:05:38   having this same experience with the [TS]

01:05:40   United the one of the hugest airlines in [TS]

01:05:42   the world where if they're not actively [TS]

01:05:45   doing something they're not paying that [TS]

01:05:49   one person anymore to just stay at the [TS]

01:05:52   counter all day in case somebody needs [TS]

01:05:54   help you know you had a really a [TS]

01:05:56   horrifying anecdote about the time where [TS]

01:05:58   something got messed up was the one [TS]

01:05:59   flight out of Washington with your [TS]

01:06:01   family that day was the one way and you [TS]

01:06:02   couldn't find anybody in the whole joint [TS]

01:06:04   in the whole airport and then find the [TS]

01:06:07   person with the juice as you say yeah [TS]

01:06:09   where there's you know where there [TS]

01:06:10   and-and-and this idea that this is this [TS]

01:06:14   is where we [TS]

01:06:15   now in a in a state where every you know [TS]

01:06:18   you call it I call upon the phone and [TS]

01:06:20   the first thing the recording says is [TS]

01:06:21   probably you'll have better luck if you [TS]

01:06:24   go to our website or and every you know [TS]

01:06:27   the the machine is pushing for these [TS]

01:06:31   efficiencies like direct everybody the [TS]

01:06:34   website direct everybody the website [TS]

01:06:36   cost us a lot of money to have somebody [TS]

01:06:37   talk to them on the phone it's like [TS]

01:06:40   really does it cost a lot of money [TS]

01:06:42   I mean you're a billion-dollar company [TS]

01:06:43   is it really that much money to have [TS]

01:06:45   somebody on the phone is it that much [TS]

01:06:48   money to pay somebody is just to pay one [TS]

01:06:51   extra person to just work the counter [TS]

01:06:53   and you know these are companies where [TS]

01:06:57   the CEO is flying back and forth across [TS]

01:07:00   the country probably in a giant airplane [TS]

01:07:02   six times a day because at the corporate [TS]

01:07:06   offices in minneapolis they're out of [TS]

01:07:08   coffee filters and so it's like oh well [TS]

01:07:11   shit you know we've got coffee filters [TS]

01:07:12   in the warehouse here in san jose I'll [TS]

01:07:14   just fly out there i had to sharpen some [TS]

01:07:17   pencils anyway in minneapolis you know [TS]

01:07:20   it'll be a twofer [TS]

01:07:21   but but their cost savings are at the [TS]

01:07:26   level of well we can't have real people [TS]

01:07:28   anymore [TS]

01:07:28   do any of the any of the jobs where [TS]

01:07:31   they're interacting with real people and [TS]

01:07:34   it you know and then all it takes is [TS]

01:07:37   that that person has their headphones on [TS]

01:07:39   and we have and we have finally arrived [TS]

01:07:42   we finally arrived at the at the moment [TS]

01:07:46   we're super train is necessary there the [TS]

01:07:52   sitting there sitting there listen to [TS]

01:07:54   their MGMT remix I'm just I'm just [TS]

01:07:58   waiting [TS]

01:08:00   it is an airport that's incidentally [TS]

01:08:03   every young person I talked to author in [TS]

01:08:06   the entire trip across the country which [TS]

01:08:07   was which was numerable people under the [TS]

01:08:10   age of about twenty-five they're all [TS]

01:08:12   listening to the electronic dance music [TS]

01:08:14   nobody listens two guitars anymore no [TS]

01:08:15   brother everywhere across the country [TS]

01:08:18   it's the one thing that unites us m p.m. [TS]

01:08:21   they call it seats more money back back [TS]

01:08:25   back back to get to get through to em [TS]

01:08:32   fuckin America [TS]

01:08:35   ah you know why i am and i frequently [TS]

01:08:41   have to pee really bad i frequently a [TS]

01:08:44   come back to something you said in the [TS]

01:08:46   midst of that epic rant about the [TS]

01:08:48   airport which is that I don't know I'm [TS]

01:08:50   just repeating what you said but it's [TS]

01:08:52   interesting to mean your point about [TS]

01:08:53   like on the one hand yes you have to [TS]

01:08:55   find somebody who can get you the juice [TS]

01:08:56   like that obviously there's not a [TS]

01:08:58   channel there's nowhere to go and pick [TS]

01:08:59   up a phone tell them you're boarding [TS]

01:09:01   code or whatever and have them fix it [TS]

01:09:03   there's no infrastructure for that [TS]

01:09:05   so first we gotta find somebody then you [TS]

01:09:06   gotta find somebody who can do something [TS]

01:09:08   about it something do something about it [TS]

01:09:10   you gotta find somebody who can do [TS]

01:09:11   something that will do something about [TS]

01:09:12   it and so primarily as you said this [TS]

01:09:15   really you have a question our map we [TS]

01:09:16   have to make them like you now you have [TS]

01:09:19   to you have to be put differently [TS]

01:09:20   you have to be a likable victim in order [TS]

01:09:23   to get anything so with this frontier [TS]

01:09:24   thing I what happened was my bags were [TS]

01:09:28   on the flight my bags went to Cleveland [TS]

01:09:30   Christ and I ended up buying tickets on [TS]

01:09:34   Alaska and flew us to Boston and we [TS]

01:09:37   didn't get to Cleveland for three days [TS]

01:09:40   and our bags were there but as I'm [TS]

01:09:43   sitting in the airport in seattle i [TS]

01:09:45   don't know that my bags are on the way [TS]

01:09:46   to Cleveland no one's told me that I [TS]

01:09:48   think maybe my bags were taken off the [TS]

01:09:50   plane because they used to threaten to [TS]

01:09:52   do that if you didn't get on the plane [TS]

01:09:53   they would take your bags off so i was [TS]

01:09:55   about to get on a flight to boston and i [TS]

01:09:57   was afraid my bags were downstairs [TS]

01:09:58   somewhere and I couldn't find a frontier [TS]

01:10:02   employee I hate this feeling [TS]

01:10:04   so I called the I called the number and [TS]

01:10:08   the first woman i got said well there's [TS]

01:10:10   nothing we can do there has to be [TS]

01:10:11   somebody there the airport and they [TS]

01:10:13   won't be there too [TS]

01:10:14   three so I don't know what I'm sorry and [TS]

01:10:17   I hope I hung up the phone with her and [TS]

01:10:19   I ran around the airport for an hour [TS]

01:10:20   trying to talk to somebody and I talk to [TS]

01:10:23   somebody in Alaska and I talk to [TS]

01:10:24   somebody down in the baggage area nobody [TS]

01:10:26   could help me so I call that same number [TS]

01:10:28   back and I got a different woman and she [TS]

01:10:31   said well uh let me call let me try and [TS]

01:10:35   call the baggage people and she called [TS]

01:10:36   nobody answered [TS]

01:10:38   she's like this is something that's [TS]

01:10:39   never happened before the things i don't [TS]

01:10:41   remember me but like it drives me [TS]

01:10:42   fucking crazy when it's like if there [TS]

01:10:43   was an actual emergency here [TS]

01:10:45   how would you handle this because this [TS]

01:10:46   is like a sandwich shop where you've [TS]

01:10:48   never actually made food like everything [TS]

01:10:49   that you're showing an emergency to me [TS]

01:10:51   sure but I mean like if they said we've [TS]

01:10:53   got reasonable reason to believe that [TS]

01:10:55   there's somebody who left a bag behind [TS]

01:10:56   you know who's trying to blow the shit [TS]

01:10:58   up [TS]

01:10:59   I'm just saying like it's it really [TS]

01:11:00   feels like no like I have this thing [TS]

01:11:02   that feels like this must happen at you [TS]

01:11:04   know a dozen times a week and we're [TS]

01:11:06   treating this like this incredibly weird [TS]

01:11:08   edge case that's no you got it all down [TS]

01:11:10   to baggage like it's not a big deal [TS]

01:11:12   and so I said to her like well I mean uh [TS]

01:11:14   Oh what where is the bag likely to be [TS]

01:11:17   and she was like well I just can't say i [TS]

01:11:19   don't know it's so so many places it [TS]

01:11:22   could be John and I was like well is [TS]

01:11:24   there a way to uh I mean is there [TS]

01:11:27   somebody that i can i'm about to get on [TS]

01:11:29   another airplane is there somebody I can [TS]

01:11:31   leave a message for know there's really [TS]

01:11:32   not you're just gonna have to call back [TS]

01:11:33   when the offices open at six and so I [TS]

01:11:37   hang up and i'm walking around in that [TS]

01:11:39   state of like panicky angry I've gotta [TS]

01:11:43   go through security again to meet my [TS]

01:11:46   family on the other side to get on a [TS]

01:11:47   different airplane and i'm about to get [TS]

01:11:49   on a plane and just my bag is just in [TS]

01:11:50   who-knows-where so last-ditch effort i [TS]

01:11:55   call the same number again and the thing [TS]

01:11:58   is you get the original operator and [TS]

01:12:00   then you have to go through the voice [TS]

01:12:02   mail where it's like you should try our [TS]

01:12:04   website [TS]

01:12:05   yeah and then jail you say operator and [TS]

01:12:07   it goes I think you're asking to see the [TS]

01:12:09   talk to an operator but maybe you can [TS]

01:12:10   give me just a little more information [TS]

01:12:12   operator you know so then you get the [TS]

01:12:14   operator and then you say can you [TS]

01:12:15   connect me with the baggage woman and [TS]

01:12:19   then they make that so each time it [TS]

01:12:22   takes five minutes to get to a person [TS]

01:12:24   it sounds like you're trying to fight [TS]

01:12:26   back [TS]

01:12:27   yeah the third time up a woman answers [TS]

01:12:30   the phone and I'm like hey here's my [TS]

01:12:31   situation she goes out all right we'll [TS]

01:12:33   hang on give me the number on your [TS]

01:12:34   ticket and this is the first time [TS]

01:12:38   anybody's ask me for this [TS]

01:12:40   and so I was like huh oh yeah here's the [TS]

01:12:42   number on the ticket [TS]

01:12:43   she was like okay is there you have a [TS]

01:12:45   baggage number i was like to hear ya i [TS]

01:12:48   do here's the baggage number nobody's [TS]

01:12:50   asked me for this [TS]

01:12:50   she's like okay well you're just you [TS]

01:12:54   keep this seems so sensible you're [TS]

01:12:56   bracing for what's going to go horribly [TS]

01:12:57   wrong [TS]

01:12:58   yeah and then she goes oh i see here [TS]

01:13:01   that the bags made it on the flight and [TS]

01:13:02   they'll be in cleveland and I was like [TS]

01:13:05   how did you have access to that [TS]

01:13:07   information and your co-workers two of [TS]

01:13:10   whom I've spoken to that neither one of [TS]

01:13:12   them and and I could what it was i could [TS]

01:13:16   hear in her voice the voice of [TS]

01:13:18   experience right [TS]

01:13:20   this woman was someone who's worked here [TS]

01:13:23   for a while with a sheet with presumably [TS]

01:13:25   the same equipment and nominally the [TS]

01:13:27   same experience she was able to do [TS]

01:13:29   something the other person just simply [TS]

01:13:30   didn't think was possible right and she [TS]

01:13:32   did it effortlessly and I was like [TS]

01:13:34   that's heroin to think about [TS]

01:13:36   yeah there could be somebody there who [TS]

01:13:38   doesn't even know if this is possible to [TS]

01:13:40   do while there are other people who can [TS]

01:13:42   just do it that's that's pretty scary in [TS]

01:13:44   an era an industry that is with safety [TS]

01:13:47   and confidence is that important well [TS]

01:13:49   and this is true i mean i don't know if [TS]

01:13:50   you've ever called trip away from the [TS]

01:13:52   side of the road running out of gas or [TS]

01:13:54   in an accident or something but when you [TS]

01:13:56   call triple-a triple-a is an amazing [TS]

01:13:58   company and and they have saved my ass a [TS]

01:13:59   million times but when you call triple-a [TS]

01:14:03   there is a one-in-four chance that the [TS]

01:14:06   person that answers the phone will be [TS]

01:14:07   able to actually help you [TS]

01:14:09   the other three times you you are [TS]

01:14:12   talking to somebody who is reading from [TS]

01:14:13   a script and you say listen I'm at the [TS]

01:14:16   on the side of the road I'm by exit 124 [TS]

01:14:18   westbound and I need a tow truck and [TS]

01:14:21   they're like okay so can you tell me if [TS]

01:14:24   you are near an exit [TS]

01:14:25   oh yeah you go yeah i just said I'm an [TS]

01:14:28   extra 24 westbound I need a tow truck [TS]

01:14:30   and they're like okay here Matt right [TS]

01:14:32   yeah [TS]

01:14:33   have you tried to turn the key in the [TS]

01:14:36   car and you're just like oh my fucking [TS]

01:14:38   god and then when you get somebody a [TS]

01:14:40   triple [TS]

01:14:40   who has been there for a while they're [TS]

01:14:42   like okay great trucks on the way [TS]

01:14:44   yeah and so anyway this situation in [TS]

01:14:47   frontier I was like so you're telling me [TS]

01:14:48   that the bag is on its way to Cleveland [TS]

01:14:50   she's like yeah it's on its way to [TS]

01:14:51   Cleveland and I say well what do i do [TS]

01:14:52   and she says here's the number of the [TS]

01:14:54   baggage handlers in Cleveland I'm gonna [TS]

01:14:59   send an email to them right now [TS]

01:15:01   flagging those bags and when you get [TS]

01:15:05   somewhere call them and and uh and [TS]

01:15:08   they'll probably have your bags set [TS]

01:15:10   aside and I was like whoa why didn't [TS]

01:15:13   this happen in our call like an hour of [TS]

01:15:16   my life it's like magic and you just [TS]

01:15:19   didn't and you just and it was like that [TS]

01:15:21   was the whole time is that's what i was [TS]

01:15:22   thinking to myself why don't they have [TS]

01:15:24   widened why isn't this possible why that [TS]

01:15:26   like you say this must happen all the [TS]

01:15:28   time [TS]

01:15:29   why isn't the first person that you call [TS]

01:15:30   able to do this and then it turns out [TS]

01:15:33   they are they were able they just you [TS]

01:15:38   just didn't find the person with the [TS]

01:15:39   juice who was willing to do it and that [TS]

01:15:43   is that's a crazy business model and its [TS]

01:15:47   and it feels like it's in its nationwide [TS]

01:15:48   it's a nationwide anytime you're dealing [TS]

01:15:52   with the big company now it's just like [TS]

01:15:54   I'm sorry this pepper [TS]

01:15:56   re oh you're on fire somewhere and your [TS]

01:15:59   children are dying [TS]

01:16:00   oh well how are you near an exit just [TS]

01:16:05   like try turning the fire off and back [TS]

01:16:06   on haha [TS]

01:16:09   ok really gotta pee [TS]

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