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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 142: "Boner to the Stars"

 

00:00:00   this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

00:00:01   sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04   month they ask Seth boyer to help me say [TS]

00:00:07   hi to john john do [TS]

00:00:17   [Music] [TS]

00:00:22   hello hi John how's it going good how [TS]

00:00:26   are you going I'm going great [TS]

00:00:29   I'm always checking my audio levels and [TS]

00:00:31   delivering packets we're good man [TS]

00:00:34   delivering packets power GTI Woody's app [TS]

00:00:39   you sound like you're really awake [TS]

00:00:41   well you know Merlin what I've been [TS]

00:00:42   doing I been looking at my facebook know [TS]

00:00:46   how's that going it's pretty mixed bag i [TS]

00:00:51   gotta say anything lot of kids uh you [TS]

00:00:55   know that's funny because I I understand [TS]

00:00:57   the appeal right I I every time i go on [TS]

00:00:59   facebook which is to say once a week I [TS]

00:01:03   see lots of fascinating links to very [TS]

00:01:07   interesting articles some of them [TS]

00:01:09   genuinely interesting and I and I go [TS]

00:01:13   down the facebook hole and I get in [TS]

00:01:15   there and see things and and I answer [TS]

00:01:20   all the facebook messages that I get [TS]

00:01:23   from people that probably could have [TS]

00:01:26   just emailed me [TS]

00:01:27   yeah and I accept the 15 friend requests [TS]

00:01:31   that have piled up since I was there [TS]

00:01:33   last and then I go ahead and shut it all [TS]

00:01:37   down to the light south and and I get it [TS]

00:01:42   I get why it's there i get i get a lot [TS]

00:01:45   of I get it I get it but I i'm not i'm [TS]

00:01:47   not a hater [TS]

00:01:48   hmm but uh but it's against or not it's [TS]

00:01:52   not it's not where I live [TS]

00:01:54   you don't see people just be happy with [TS]

00:01:55   their stuff yeah that's right I'm a guy [TS]

00:01:58   who likes other people to just be happy [TS]

00:02:00   with their stuff [TS]

00:02:01   Hakuna Matata never guess the namaste [TS]

00:02:04   joke around [TS]

00:02:05   mm-hmm [TS]

00:02:08   did you ever seen yourself 20 years ago [TS]

00:02:10   not only having something in your life [TS]

00:02:13   called friend request but that's [TS]

00:02:15   something that you just have to deal [TS]

00:02:16   with on a regular basis i think i did I [TS]

00:02:19   think haha i think i knew that was [TS]

00:02:22   coming it either thing that I periods me [TS]

00:02:27   is people who don't put pictures of [TS]

00:02:29   themselves in their stuff em you know [TS]

00:02:33   like like me I guess I was like a [TS]

00:02:35   profile picture [TS]

00:02:36   no i think i think it I think what it is [TS]

00:02:38   is that an Instagram is like this and [TS]

00:02:41   facebook to like there are people who [TS]

00:02:44   are who are genuinely working as [TS]

00:02:49   photographers who use those things to [TS]

00:02:51   showcase some of their photography and i [TS]

00:02:55   don't know i don't mean just [TS]

00:02:56   professionally but like there this is [TS]

00:02:58   their their sandbox where they're at the [TS]

00:03:00   platform is that where they play around [TS]

00:03:02   there taking pictures of other things [TS]

00:03:04   but then there are just a lot of people [TS]

00:03:07   who are on there and i don't mean taking [TS]

00:03:09   pictures of their food but like doing [TS]

00:03:11   our part see pictures of their plants [TS]

00:03:13   and pictures of their dog and empty park [TS]

00:03:16   benches [TS]

00:03:17   yeah this type of thing and after a [TS]

00:03:20   while a ana and I approve all that but [TS]

00:03:24   every you know every 15 to 20 pictures [TS]

00:03:27   the other post one of yourself [TS]

00:03:29   mmm got to take a selfie and put it on [TS]

00:03:32   there baby maybe you should have to [TS]

00:03:33   maybe it should be in the terms and [TS]

00:03:36   conditions like network we got to know [TS]

00:03:38   that you're here you know [TS]

00:03:40   yeah well i also like all of these [TS]

00:03:42   things are meant are ultimately meant as [TS]

00:03:45   as personal profiles right know who is [TS]

00:03:51   going to go on because because I mean if [TS]

00:03:53   you if all you think of if the only [TS]

00:03:56   people following your Instagram account [TS]

00:03:58   are your friends and they are you know [TS]

00:04:02   looking at pictures of of plants that [TS]

00:04:05   you took [TS]

00:04:07   I don't I don't understand why you're [TS]

00:04:09   there right the whole premise is that a [TS]

00:04:12   stranger is going to be interested in a [TS]

00:04:15   post that you posted that got forwarded [TS]

00:04:17   somewhere else and follow it back to [TS]

00:04:19   there and then start following you [TS]

00:04:21   somebody that you don't know that's why [TS]

00:04:23   any of us have more than 15 followers [TS]

00:04:25   and so when that person then follows you [TS]

00:04:29   and is interested in your views and [TS]

00:04:31   interested in your the look of what you [TS]

00:04:34   interested in your aesthetic then that [TS]

00:04:36   person legitimately and understandably [TS]

00:04:39   becomes interested in you and then they [TS]

00:04:42   want to see a freaking picture of you [TS]

00:04:43   huh [TS]

00:04:45   and so right that that's there are there [TS]

00:04:47   are relatively few there are pictures [TS]

00:04:49   who take not but photos of oneself and [TS]

00:04:52   then there are people who very rarely [TS]

00:04:55   photographed themselves and i have to [TS]

00:04:57   say it there seems to be a concomitant [TS]

00:05:01   with getting older like maybe you don't [TS]

00:05:03   want your meat out there five times a [TS]

00:05:04   day [TS]

00:05:05   yeah but that's the thing of just like [TS]

00:05:06   get you know get over your meat beard [TS]

00:05:08   it's you gotta gotta put it there even a [TS]

00:05:11   good shape face level because we're [TS]

00:05:13   looking at each other [TS]

00:05:14   its the hole i mean its social [TS]

00:05:16   networking we are looking at each other [TS]

00:05:18   and all the time i'll i'll see some [TS]

00:05:20   interesting thread i'll go there I'll be [TS]

00:05:22   like oh I like these pictures [TS]

00:05:24   oh that's cool that's cool and then when [TS]

00:05:26   i get to like picture 50 and I've seen [TS]

00:05:30   no-selfie I'm like oh wait a minute do [TS]

00:05:36   you really think that your pictures [TS]

00:05:37   fucking matter I mean do you really [TS]

00:05:39   think that were scared to see pictures [TS]

00:05:41   of flowers and whatever else telling me [TS]

00:05:42   it's a kind of performance and part of [TS]

00:05:45   that performance has got to be even if [TS]

00:05:47   it's just like a picture of you [TS]

00:05:48   reflected in the in the window of a shop [TS]

00:05:52   that you're taking a picture of like a [TS]

00:05:54   little something a little sign that you [TS]

00:05:55   are that you are here with us here with [TS]

00:05:59   the residence [TS]

00:06:00   let's see what i notice I'm not on [TS]

00:06:04   instagram i'm not on facebook but I do [TS]

00:06:06   take pictures and when I look over [TS]

00:06:09   well first of all obviously because of [TS]

00:06:11   having a phone with a camera I do a lot [TS]

00:06:14   of take pictures of funny signs just [TS]

00:06:16   because I thought it was funny i don't [TS]

00:06:17   always post you do that you do that yes [TS]

00:06:19   we about [TS]

00:06:20   you know I there's a lot of don't post [TS]

00:06:21   on the curator Tara very editorial as [TS]

00:06:24   they say you but you know what you know [TS]

00:06:26   what I wish we had more of like I i [TS]

00:06:28   think we have and I've taken a fair [TS]

00:06:31   number of pictures of my kid at first [TS]

00:06:35   I'll just say it we do not have that [TS]

00:06:37   many pictures of our family together we [TS]

00:06:40   take pictures of the kid we take [TS]

00:06:43   pictures of the kid and one of us but we [TS]

00:06:45   don't also my wife's not a big fan of [TS]

00:06:47   being photographed nor my daughter but [TS]

00:06:49   it's but it's funny because like I look [TS]

00:06:52   at family photos from my childhood and [TS]

00:06:55   there's a lot of photos of the family [TS]

00:06:56   posed pictures where we all took a photo [TS]

00:06:58   together and we don't I don't flick this [TS]

00:07:01   maybe it's just me but I think there's [TS]

00:07:02   not as much of that as there used to be [TS]

00:07:04   especially given the raw tonnage of [TS]

00:07:06   photos that are being taken [TS]

00:07:08   yeah you have many of those of the [TS]

00:07:09   family unit well we make it we make a [TS]

00:07:12   point you know to a every once in awhile [TS]

00:07:17   and I mean we did it we did it just [TS]

00:07:19   yesterday we were all together on a [TS]

00:07:21   ferry boat and we were taking pictures [TS]

00:07:23   of the waves and taking pictures of the [TS]

00:07:26   birds and taking pictures of the baby [TS]

00:07:27   looking at the waves and the birds take [TS]

00:07:29   pictures of the misspelling tell you [TS]

00:07:31   that's right taking pictures of the [TS]

00:07:33   hilarious sign on the men's room door up [TS]

00:07:35   an appetite and then it was like oh wait [TS]

00:07:37   a minute let's stop and take a picture [TS]

00:07:39   of ourselves together and we did it [TS]

00:07:41   selfie style but here we all are and and [TS]

00:07:45   and the reason that we do it is because [TS]

00:07:47   when you look back at the pictures from [TS]

00:07:49   three years ago all those like men's [TS]

00:07:53   room door and bird pictures are made a [TS]

00:07:58   hundred times more interesting if [TS]

00:08:00   there's a picture of you in there to [TS]

00:08:03   locate the time and place and show the [TS]

00:08:07   show the gray and your beard and show [TS]

00:08:09   how much the baby's grown and etc etc [TS]

00:08:11   right like like if you if you if you're [TS]

00:08:14   not if you're not marking time with the [TS]

00:08:17   one thing that we actually care about [TS]

00:08:19   which is our ourselves our lives right [TS]

00:08:23   and here it is buried in his very is [TS]

00:08:26   very different cause like I again east [TS]

00:08:28   cost money to take pictures right you [TS]

00:08:30   gotta buy the film you got to get [TS]

00:08:31   processed you couldn't just take [TS]

00:08:32   pictures of everything [TS]

00:08:33   unless your kid got the camera went [TS]

00:08:34   crazy or something but yeah there's such [TS]

00:08:37   a huge shift [TS]

00:08:39   I mean think about now I mean like on [TS]

00:08:41   the one hand the stuff people post is [TS]

00:08:43   more about like what I'm seeing you [TS]

00:08:45   think about you know I mean like for the [TS]

00:08:47   guns people on tumblr is the closest [TS]

00:08:49   thing I have to Instagram and it's a lot [TS]

00:08:50   of you know stuff like funny signs or [TS]

00:08:52   here's my food or whatever but you know [TS]

00:08:54   it's it's a way of saying is a the shot [TS]

00:08:57   that you chose the thing that's in it [TS]

00:08:59   how you shot it its kind of made to be [TS]

00:09:01   posted and it's made to be uh this is [TS]

00:09:05   what it's like to be me in some ways yes [TS]

00:09:07   exactly that's exactly right and and the [TS]

00:09:10   idea the idea that that a selfie is like [TS]

00:09:14   egotistical is so hilarious to me [TS]

00:09:18   because really it's the idea that [TS]

00:09:20   anybody gives a fuck about your pictures [TS]

00:09:21   at all thats egotistical like your [TS]

00:09:24   picture of a bird or flower manhole [TS]

00:09:26   cover is something that we should [TS]

00:09:27   celebrate because because you framed it [TS]

00:09:30   in in your phone like no we the only [TS]

00:09:35   thing that's interesting about us is [TS]

00:09:36   that we are alive and alive for a short [TS]

00:09:38   time right and if we were if we all live [TS]

00:09:41   forever [TS]

00:09:42   none of this would be interesting no one [TS]

00:09:44   would take a picture of a single fucking [TS]

00:09:46   thing because it would be like yeah [TS]

00:09:48   right yeah right like I saw it right [TS]

00:09:51   trees grow trees live and die and we are [TS]

00:09:55   still here so uh I don't need to see a [TS]

00:09:58   picture of the past they think yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:02   I think that's interesting about the [TS]

00:10:03   past is that is that we are that we are [TS]

00:10:06   finite but but you know the other thing [TS]

00:10:08   is think about like how different that [TS]

00:10:09   is even the photos that i would take [TS]

00:10:11   with my old crummy camera like our show [TS]

00:10:12   art with the old crome camera on my old [TS]

00:10:15   crummy phone like you think about like [TS]

00:10:17   what's changed and now like it doesn't [TS]

00:10:20   cost anything except for the space on [TS]

00:10:22   your phone to take a photo so it's it's [TS]

00:10:25   it's economical to the point of almost [TS]

00:10:27   being free other big difference we get [TS]

00:10:31   to see how it turned out and maybe take [TS]

00:10:35   15 photos of the same thing but also [TS]

00:10:37   kind of long lines of our last episode [TS]

00:10:40   where we talked about you know what what [TS]

00:10:42   you post what people say about it [TS]

00:10:43   I'm kind of meticulous about what I [TS]

00:10:45   leave out of photos now way more than I [TS]

00:10:47   to be where I'm much less likely just [TS]

00:10:49   because I even if i'm not planning to [TS]

00:10:50   post there's still some part of me [TS]

00:10:51   that's like oh I don't want that mess in [TS]

00:10:53   the photo right there or I don't know [TS]

00:10:55   what I mean there's dirt on this table [TS]

00:10:57   I never would have thought of that when [TS]

00:10:58   I was a kid I still not great so my [TS]

00:11:00   favorite photos a photo of my parents my [TS]

00:11:02   dad smoking a cigarette of course my mom [TS]

00:11:05   smoking a cigarette of course and she's [TS]

00:11:07   just walked up to him at the table and [TS]

00:11:08   they've done something playful and now [TS]

00:11:10   she's giving him a hug and that's [TS]

00:11:13   awesome i will treasure that photo but [TS]

00:11:14   also it's just all the shit in the [TS]

00:11:17   background that's awesome [TS]

00:11:18   yes like it's a kitchen in a house where [TS]

00:11:21   people live there is an old-school coke [TS]

00:11:23   can from the nineteen seventies that [TS]

00:11:25   just looks awesome [TS]

00:11:26   yes in you know it's got that all that [TS]

00:11:28   kind of ugly shit that every family had [TS]

00:11:30   in their house dumb dishes you know [TS]

00:11:32   unclean kitchen and it's it's delightful [TS]

00:11:35   and I i would be i have to say a little [TS]

00:11:38   bit reluctant to take that photo today i [TS]

00:11:41   am only partly conference about why that [TS]

00:11:43   is [TS]

00:11:44   do you feel such things do you do you [TS]

00:11:46   think about a lot about something you're [TS]

00:11:48   more freewheeling about what your [TS]

00:11:49   photograph [TS]

00:11:50   no I mean I I'm very I'm very aware of [TS]

00:11:55   the frame but i always try to include [TS]

00:11:57   something in the frame that that adds [TS]

00:12:03   that context that you're saying you know [TS]

00:12:05   a like a car or a all the stuff that you [TS]

00:12:10   think of as as like garbage extraneous [TS]

00:12:13   beverage ephemera but that is really the [TS]

00:12:17   thing that 15 years from now you're [TS]

00:12:19   gonna look back and go oh my god I [TS]

00:12:20   remember that car [TS]

00:12:22   yeah I'm grandparents house there's a [TS]

00:12:24   picture of their they're ugly AMC in in [TS]

00:12:28   the in the driveway which is fun to see [TS]

00:12:31   that you have the old AMC by my [TS]

00:12:32   grandfather had an AMC dealership and [TS]

00:12:34   national AMC dealership with end [TS]

00:12:36   yeah are you kidding me no no I'm pretty [TS]

00:12:39   sure your grandfather had a national or [TS]

00:12:42   punitive worked at it but we were we [TS]

00:12:43   were automobile people at one point I [TS]

00:12:45   did not know that after all this time to [TS]

00:12:47   discover something that interesting [TS]

00:12:50   well there you go this is 1am cement [TS]

00:12:52   something move yeah but what's great [TS]

00:12:54   about the photo is the stuff that was [TS]

00:12:56   not meant to be in the photo which is I [TS]

00:12:58   go oh look at that [TS]

00:12:59   I see grandma's rose garden you can see [TS]

00:13:02   it must be well i think most CEOs [TS]

00:13:04   holidays holidays my grandfather would [TS]

00:13:06   always put the flag out and seeing their [TS]

00:13:09   front porch and how it was arranged at [TS]

00:13:10   that time that's like that all that [TS]

00:13:12   stuff is all like that's the best part [TS]

00:13:14   of it that's what makes the photo so [TS]

00:13:15   great you know well and yeah so I so I [TS]

00:13:20   feel I feel like I mean I have a lot of [TS]

00:13:22   I have a lot of friends that post a lot [TS]

00:13:24   of pictures that fall into the you know [TS]

00:13:27   think the coffee table book category [TS]

00:13:29   right where we're like 20 years ago they [TS]

00:13:33   went into a Barnes & Noble and found at [TS]

00:13:35   ashen published book on on fire hydrants [TS]

00:13:41   in America someday i will take photos of [TS]

00:13:43   birds on wires yeah and then they [TS]

00:13:46   they're out with their camera and [TS]

00:13:48   they're like I want to do this I want to [TS]

00:13:49   do something like this and they develop [TS]

00:13:50   a theme like I'm the person that takes [TS]

00:13:52   pictures of a you know manhole covers or [TS]

00:13:56   whatever and and I have a friend who has [TS]

00:13:58   a boo-boo as a blog called Street seats [TS]

00:14:02   and all she does is take pictures of [TS]

00:14:05   chairs that people have left on the side [TS]

00:14:07   of the road and it's wonderful because [TS]

00:14:11   the chairs are very evocative and it's a [TS]

00:14:13   variance of you know the limitations i [TS]

00:14:16   contribute to one there's nothing but [TS]

00:14:17   mattresses mattresses history inspired [TS]

00:14:21   by my friend John Gruber who every time [TS]

00:14:23   he sees when he says this kid will take [TS]

00:14:24   a nap when I get a but but ultimately [TS]

00:14:29   like uh ultimately you know you want [TS]

00:14:33   some of the character of the curator in [TS]

00:14:36   there that's that's and I think more and [TS]

00:14:39   more now the idea of like that [TS]

00:14:45   journalists are invisible and that [TS]

00:14:48   though that they're writing in in the [TS]

00:14:51   omniscient and if and dispassionate [TS]

00:14:53   voice and that curators are invisible [TS]

00:14:56   and the work speaks for itself and all [TS]

00:14:59   this i feel that is less and less [TS]

00:15:01   convincing now and that there never was [TS]

00:15:04   a 0 there ever was a journalistic voice [TS]

00:15:07   that was you know that was completely [TS]

00:15:09   objective [TS]

00:15:10   and to continue to pretend is a and [TS]

00:15:16   maybe doing a disservice that there is a [TS]

00:15:18   way to be to strive for objectivity but [TS]

00:15:22   have a subjective voice at the same time [TS]

00:15:24   and that is you know that is that that [TS]

00:15:29   the voice can be personal but the [TS]

00:15:33   thoughts are still owe still striving to [TS]

00:15:37   be a as objective as possible and you [TS]

00:15:41   can have because there are tons of it [TS]

00:15:42   tons of examples of people where the [TS]

00:15:44   voice is very objective but the thoughts [TS]

00:15:48   are incredibly subjective anytime you [TS]

00:15:51   read The Wall Street Journal you see [TS]

00:15:53   like the the objective voice masks what [TS]

00:15:58   is ultimately a very pointed worldview [TS]

00:16:01   right and that's the that's the failure [TS]

00:16:04   of the of the objective journalist I [TS]

00:16:08   mean that the most basic level the most [TS]

00:16:10   rain bring that obvious thing that's [TS]

00:16:12   always worth mentioning is that what you [TS]

00:16:14   choose to cover is a voice exactly like [TS]

00:16:17   what you pick as the top story how you [TS]

00:16:19   write the lead or the headline or [TS]

00:16:21   what-have-you like all those all of [TS]

00:16:23   those things are a kind of voice but [TS]

00:16:25   doesn't you know even with that there's [TS]

00:16:27   no way you can disappear from that right [TS]

00:16:29   and so let's let's stop pretending and [TS]

00:16:32   make the make the personal voice just [TS]

00:16:36   acknowledge it and say like hi I'm I'm [TS]

00:16:39   the reporter i am writing this article [TS]

00:16:40   and here's why this interest me and then [TS]

00:16:43   strive for some objectivity in your [TS]

00:16:46   thoughts and that what that involves is [TS]

00:16:48   like openly visibly questioning your own [TS]

00:16:51   assumptions in the thing that you write [TS]

00:16:53   and I feel like that's true in [TS]

00:16:55   photojournalism to and in just the fun [TS]

00:16:58   sort of a pseudo photojournalism that [TS]

00:17:01   were all practicing now it's like wire [TS]

00:17:04   you know like who are you why are not [TS]

00:17:07   only where are you taking these pictures [TS]

00:17:08   but like who are you [TS]

00:17:10   well this is where i put a little on [TS]

00:17:12   buck at how I think it's I love that hat [TS]

00:17:15   that's a great hat loves pro-wrestling [TS]

00:17:17   your bark at the bar that um and [TS]

00:17:21   I invoice really douchey but I'm you [TS]

00:17:24   know I think it depends on who you think [TS]

00:17:26   about as your audience because it's [TS]

00:17:28   almost like the way you do a certain [TS]

00:17:30   kind of line reading of exactly the same [TS]

00:17:32   same line you know you can think about a [TS]

00:17:35   word like that a word that I love a word [TS]

00:17:36   like Hello like how you say hello could [TS]

00:17:39   be very funny or very serious or very [TS]

00:17:41   grave or invoke something so when I go I [TS]

00:17:44   know my family knows i'm making a joke [TS]

00:17:46   about Project Runway that Project Runway [TS]

00:17:49   joke you know what I say [TS]

00:17:51   haha that's a different kind of hello [TS]

00:17:53   hello hello [TS]

00:17:54   that's a different kind of hello right [TS]

00:17:56   it's all the same number no I don't want [TS]

00:17:58   any of these fellows from you [TS]

00:17:59   hello no thank you and then all the [TS]

00:18:02   other contestants respond so I that but [TS]

00:18:06   I guess what I think of like yes way I [TS]

00:18:08   think most people are doing its thing I [TS]

00:18:10   like what I see and it's not my opinion [TS]

00:18:13   it's my sensibility I think people like [TS]

00:18:16   showing other people with their [TS]

00:18:17   sensibility is some people like a you [TS]

00:18:19   know CSC this is a number so great for [TS]

00:18:21   summer so terrible for lots of things I [TS]

00:18:24   think it's great that is following [TS]

00:18:25   obsessives so or finding people who [TS]

00:18:27   curate strange kind of obsessions like [TS]

00:18:29   four jet for example you ever seen a [TS]

00:18:31   rich kids on instagram i get forwarded [TS]

00:18:34   that all the time it's really it's [TS]

00:18:37   really funny [TS]

00:18:38   it's super funny and I get forwarded it [TS]

00:18:41   at in reply to my contention that no one [TS]

00:18:45   has it easy because I make that [TS]

00:18:48   contention periodically but no idea [TS]

00:18:49   exactly proves that person doesn't have [TS]

00:18:51   it easy and as they have a helicopter [TS]

00:18:53   and 17 watches and they're still unhappy [TS]

00:18:56   and have to show it to you before they [TS]

00:18:58   feel anything [TS]

00:18:59   yeah I that is that's it's self-evident [TS]

00:19:01   that's my reply to when people are like [TS]

00:19:03   no one has it easy what about this and [TS]

00:19:05   they send me some pictures of a kid in a [TS]

00:19:06   in a Learjet with the what [TS]

00:19:08   20 watchers and I'm like do you not see [TS]

00:19:10   that this is a very unhappy person you [TS]

00:19:13   know so many people refuse to accept the [TS]

00:19:15   even assholes are unhappy so unhappy [TS]

00:19:17   that's why they're assholes I mean that [TS]

00:19:20   it doesn't hurt [TS]

00:19:21   present company excepted of course [TS]

00:19:23   but-but-but alive buddy in the cat Casey [TS]

00:19:26   I'm not going with this but like you [TS]

00:19:28   know here's the thing [TS]

00:19:29   there are topics and there's a reason [TS]

00:19:30   i'm not on Instagram there's a variety [TS]

00:19:32   of there are thousands of reasons I'm [TS]

00:19:34   not [TS]

00:19:34   instagram I mean least of which is I [TS]

00:19:36   don't want to feel compelled to have to [TS]

00:19:38   have my sensibility on instagram i think [TS]

00:19:40   the app is weird i think the whole [TS]

00:19:41   environment is strange but you know a [TS]

00:19:42   big part of it is voices hopefully the [TS]

00:19:44   ugliest thing i'll say this month now I [TS]

00:19:46   don't need to see anymore latte art I'm [TS]

00:19:48   good like a desert with one bite out of [TS]

00:19:51   it I get it [TS]

00:19:53   that's really really cool when I hope [TS]

00:19:55   that is the ugliest thing you say this [TS]

00:19:56   month i really do for you and we're [TS]

00:19:59   thinking about the black eye [TS]

00:20:03   I agree and I don't you know I i went [TS]

00:20:05   onto Instagram instead of going on to [TS]

00:20:06   something else and now I you know I'm [TS]

00:20:09   here trapped there and like I said the [TS]

00:20:11   other day like there really are only [TS]

00:20:12   five places I go on the internet and [TS]

00:20:15   embarrasses me every time I pick up my [TS]

00:20:17   phone every time I pick up jonathan [TS]

00:20:18   coulton phone and scroll through four [TS]

00:20:21   hundred apps [TS]

00:20:24   I'm like there and 13 pages on my iphone [TS]

00:20:26   I'm like what am I doing with my life I [TS]

00:20:28   don't have any of these amazing apps [TS]

00:20:30   yeah and I think I when I stare at the [TS]

00:20:33   internet and I think like I should go [TS]

00:20:35   I should go on the internet more and [TS]

00:20:38   have more places where I go and do [TS]

00:20:40   activities but i think i do see the [TS]

00:20:44   internet quite a bit I think I follow [TS]

00:20:46   I'm a link follower I you know I hyper a [TS]

00:20:49   hyperlink em from one link to another at [TS]

00:20:53   hyper speed is the ax HTML for that IQs [TS]

00:20:57   XHTML hello which is valid and I go I [TS]

00:21:02   link around and I zip and zap and I see [TS]

00:21:04   like 15 celebrities who married a cousin [TS]

00:21:07   and I see you know you don't give you [TS]

00:21:10   followed us because you might be [TS]

00:21:12   interested in ones that take you to zerg [TS]

00:21:14   net minder to blur get paid dot out [TS]

00:21:17   brave dot uh are you deserve that's my [TS]

00:21:20   favorite because you click i don't know [TS]

00:21:22   talking something about this the other [TS]

00:21:23   day we both like I don't know why [TS]

00:21:25   fucking click on this it was I don't [TS]

00:21:28   usually do this hardly ever but is it [TS]

00:21:31   was like something like 17 gay [TS]

00:21:34   celebrities who played straight people [TS]

00:21:36   it's like Nathan Lane but what I [TS]

00:21:38   literally Nathan Lane is gay [TS]

00:21:40   holy shit i can't believe it i'm so glad [TS]

00:21:43   i click on this when you go to this [TS]

00:21:45   internet page get on the landing page [TS]

00:21:46   and you don't even see the article you [TS]

00:21:48   see a page of list of articles where [TS]

00:21:50   yours is the the top-left pic but i [TS]

00:21:52   think it's it's yeah it's it's it's [TS]

00:21:55   listicles all the way down [TS]

00:21:56   well I you know I got bullied not [TS]

00:21:59   bullied that's that's sorry trigger [TS]

00:22:02   alerts I got uh I was encouraged by my [TS]

00:22:07   social network in real life my for my [TS]

00:22:10   words i'm so fucking sick of war might [TS]

00:22:13   be meatspace social network of actual [TS]

00:22:17   meat meat people maybe meet singles that [TS]

00:22:20   unit up in circles that I know that were [TS]

00:22:22   like listen they said to me the [TS]

00:22:24   beginning of the this this football [TS]

00:22:26   season they were like listen we want you [TS]

00:22:27   to come and watch football with us every [TS]

00:22:29   Sunday but you can't just come and sit [TS]

00:22:33   in the back and eat the food and [TS]

00:22:35   everyone so I'll yell sports and spill [TS]

00:22:37   your non-alcoholic beer right we want [TS]

00:22:40   you to sit in the cassette on the couch [TS]

00:22:41   get engaged in the game be part of the [TS]

00:22:43   be part of the action [TS]

00:22:45   obviously it was a kind of a second [TS]

00:22:47   chance or last chance like okay you [TS]

00:22:48   really want you here but that we get you [TS]

00:22:50   gotta play by the rules [TS]

00:22:51   I mean I go I go to lots of sports [TS]

00:22:53   events and I have a very good time at [TS]

00:22:55   the move and I'll and I enjoy my friends [TS]

00:22:57   that like sports and so this was like [TS]

00:23:00   hey we are friends and this is what we [TS]

00:23:02   like to do and we're inviting you into [TS]

00:23:04   our that but it's their world it's [TS]

00:23:06   that's right there like this is our [TS]

00:23:08   Colts were inviting you to church on [TS]

00:23:10   Sunday you don't sit-in up in the pew at [TS]

00:23:13   the back of the church and make fart [TS]

00:23:15   sounds people come to church with us not [TS]

00:23:18   pirates [TS]

00:23:19   you don't have to you don't have to take [TS]

00:23:21   communion you don't have to go up and [TS]

00:23:23   and and and do a confession but if [TS]

00:23:27   you're gonna come to church with us you [TS]

00:23:28   know coming like sing the hymns and be a [TS]

00:23:30   part of the scene so I was like okay I [TS]

00:23:33   do want to do that and I went and I got [TS]

00:23:34   in and we got involved watching the [TS]

00:23:36   seahawks and and mostly watching my [TS]

00:23:39   friends get very emotional emotional [TS]

00:23:41   about it about a sports event [TS]

00:23:44   and I was you know I've been watching [TS]

00:23:47   that my whole life because my dad would [TS]

00:23:48   get very emotional about sports events [TS]

00:23:50   and I don't have a comment about it one [TS]

00:23:53   way or the other I'm not critiquing at [TS]

00:23:55   all I'm just observing it and saying [TS]

00:23:56   like here we are and we are very upset [TS]

00:23:59   right now I am upset on behalf of [TS]

00:24:01   everyone about the way that that last [TS]

00:24:04   play was that play was handled and I [TS]

00:24:06   feel like that running back should have [TS]

00:24:09   done a different thing [TS]

00:24:10   uh-huh and gotten I'm upset about it not [TS]

00:24:13   mad and so watching the seahawks I'm I'm [TS]

00:24:18   invested in them and I like them and I [TS]

00:24:20   think Richard Sherman is smart and [TS]

00:24:22   interesting and I think Marshawn Lynch [TS]

00:24:24   is very interesting i'm gonna be like [TS]

00:24:27   just got out got a lot of hard ison feel [TS]

00:24:29   like he's a very interesting person I [TS]

00:24:31   think he does have quite a bit of heart [TS]

00:24:33   and the coach pete carroll what a kook [TS]

00:24:38   he's really enough and I do feel like [TS]

00:24:40   he's had a big effect on the team and so [TS]

00:24:42   forth and so on and then I watched that [TS]

00:24:44   last game the NFC playoff game that [TS]

00:24:48   everybody's yelling about [TS]

00:24:50   ok and it was so extraordinary to be [TS]

00:24:53   behind the entire game and to be [TS]

00:24:55   demonstrable e the lesser of the two [TS]

00:24:58   teams on the field the other team uh the [TS]

00:25:02   team from Wisconsin which is named after [TS]

00:25:05   a meat packing job butchers basically [TS]

00:25:09   they should have been called the [TS]

00:25:09   butcher's we're they were doing a [TS]

00:25:12   fantastic job of playing the football [TS]

00:25:14   game and the Seahawks were doing a [TS]

00:25:17   terrible job except for Marshawn Lynch a [TS]

00:25:20   person i find very fascinating and then [TS]

00:25:24   in the 11th hour literally the last two [TS]

00:25:26   minutes of the game they somehow through [TS]

00:25:29   a combination of moxie and hubris and [TS]

00:25:32   sports acumen why can't you do this [TS]

00:25:36   rather get it [TS]

00:25:39   Rose rose to victory and shocking the [TS]

00:25:44   nation and shocking anyone who seemed [TS]

00:25:46   legitimately like old-school fucking [TS]

00:25:50   blown away by what happened it was [TS]

00:25:52   astonishing and to watch it in real time [TS]

00:25:54   particularly to watch it in a room full [TS]

00:25:56   of die hard for [TS]

00:25:58   people who for the two hours prior had [TS]

00:26:00   been pacing around the room throwing [TS]

00:26:02   their uh you know there are seven layer [TS]

00:26:05   dip on the floor and saying this game is [TS]

00:26:08   over we should just turn it off this you [TS]

00:26:10   know this team had a good run and good [TS]

00:26:12   for them and well you know what [TS]

00:26:14   that's just how the cookie crumbles and [TS]

00:26:16   you know they were they were actually [TS]

00:26:18   speaking that way about it to each other [TS]

00:26:20   and and hilariously I was the one [TS]

00:26:24   sitting calmly on the couch saying you [TS]

00:26:27   know the seahawks always rally you like [TS]

00:26:29   the designated optimist I was like this [TS]

00:26:31   is what did they do this all the time [TS]

00:26:33   they they're they're behind at the half [TS]

00:26:35   and then they they have some miracle and [TS]

00:26:38   people were like not listening to me [TS]

00:26:39   because I'm not a sports guy they were [TS]

00:26:41   they were ignoring me they were talking [TS]

00:26:43   over the top of me and I was like listen [TS]

00:26:45   you know marshawn's having a hell of a [TS]

00:26:46   game and I feel like I feel like there's [TS]

00:26:49   still a lot of game left to play [TS]

00:26:50   still two minutes on the clock I mean [TS]

00:26:52   and they were they were ready to turn [TS]

00:26:54   the game off right and then watching the [TS]

00:26:57   team come back and seeing the [TS]

00:26:59   transformation seeing new life [TS]

00:27:02   breathes into these people not just in [TS]

00:27:05   the moment but like they're year looks [TS]

00:27:09   different there wherever they are right [TS]

00:27:11   now these friends of mine they are [TS]

00:27:12   walking around feeling differently than [TS]

00:27:15   they would have felt have they lost that [TS]

00:27:17   football game like how are you are you [TS]

00:27:20   kind of have you sort of arrived now and [TS]

00:27:23   their eyes today dig a little more [TS]

00:27:24   credit you think the only as good as [TS]

00:27:26   your last game but that's pretty good [TS]

00:27:27   one [TS]

00:27:27   they don't care at one point at one [TS]

00:27:29   point that we were we were completely [TS]

00:27:31   behind we had no points and I said you [TS]

00:27:36   know what [TS]

00:27:37   because where there's a big buffet cover [TS]

00:27:39   with food and I said you know what no [TS]

00:27:42   one's even one of those blue cupcakes [TS]

00:27:43   yet and even though I'm ostensibly [TS]

00:27:47   gluten-free I'm gonna go eat one of [TS]

00:27:49   those blue cupcakes to rally this team [TS]

00:27:51   because it's this is the kind of sports [TS]

00:27:53   thinking that happens right like yeah [TS]

00:27:56   it's like rally cap [TS]

00:27:57   yeah exactly you're not wearing the [TS]

00:27:59   shoes that you were the last game what [TS]

00:28:00   are you are you trying to jinx us and I [TS]

00:28:02   was like I'm gonna go eat a blue cupcake [TS]

00:28:03   and I when I grabbed a blue cupcake i [TS]

00:28:05   sat down took a bite out of it [TS]

00:28:07   it was a terrible blue cupcake and [TS]

00:28:10   immediately the seahawks scored their [TS]

00:28:12   first touchdown on a completely nutty a [TS]

00:28:15   like fake outplay and everybody in the [TS]

00:28:19   room turned at me and stared at me like [TS]

00:28:20   I had just conjured as a wizard like I [TS]

00:28:23   had just conjured a fox [TS]

00:28:25   haha we were suddenly there was a live [TS]

00:28:30   fox it looking for a nexus and i'm just [TS]

00:28:34   sitting there with the smug blue [TS]

00:28:36   frosting smile on like what did I tell [TS]

00:28:38   you [TS]

00:28:38   and so for the for the next 45 minutes [TS]

00:28:40   every time anything good happened on the [TS]

00:28:42   team [TS]

00:28:43   I you know half the people in the room [TS]

00:28:45   with turning-point me and go [TS]

00:28:46   it's the cupcake and so I can play I can [TS]

00:28:50   play this I can play the cupcake but in [TS]

00:28:52   fact we're at the end when the Seahawks [TS]

00:28:54   won i was given no credit for my sorcery [TS]

00:28:56   because it was clear that it was that [TS]

00:28:59   they had appeal to a higher level which [TS]

00:29:00   is to say Jesus who cared about the game [TS]

00:29:04   to say there's no cupcaking team but [TS]

00:29:07   what's happened to me is that that [TS]

00:29:10   transformation on the field was so [TS]

00:29:12   extraordinary that I actually two days [TS]

00:29:16   later was sitting uh you know in my room [TS]

00:29:21   staring at the wall as I normally do and [TS]

00:29:24   a voice in my head said I'd kind of like [TS]

00:29:28   to read something about the seahawks [TS]

00:29:32   right now and i went and i read an [TS]

00:29:36   account of the game [TS]

00:29:37   written by a sports writer and I found [TS]

00:29:39   it very pleasurable because i saw that [TS]

00:29:41   game and i wasn't i was involved in it [TS]

00:29:43   now i'm reading his thoughts on it which [TS]

00:29:45   comport with mine and then i read a lot [TS]

00:29:48   of people in the comments and the people [TS]

00:29:52   who are against the seahawks said bad [TS]

00:29:54   things and the people who are in favor [TS]

00:29:56   of the seahawks said haha [TS]

00:29:58   suck it to the to the angry people and [TS]

00:30:02   and that comported with my feelings and [TS]

00:30:04   so now having had that experience where [TS]

00:30:08   I got a gratification from reading a [TS]

00:30:11   sports article then I was like what the [TS]

00:30:14   next day I said [TS]

00:30:16   well let's try that again and I when I [TS]

00:30:19   read another sports article i also [TS]

00:30:23   enjoyed it and then the third day I read [TS]

00:30:26   a Sports article prognosticating about [TS]

00:30:28   the future of the upcoming game and that [TS]

00:30:31   go well it's you know it's harder to [TS]

00:30:36   know because it hasn't happened yet [TS]

00:30:37   that's true so this guy's talking about [TS]

00:30:39   sports events that haven't happened and [TS]

00:30:42   I had a harder time [TS]

00:30:43   um you know feeling confident I'm with [TS]

00:30:48   that one now more than ever now you've [TS]

00:30:51   your third gateway here now you have to [TS]

00:30:53   start forming an opinion of your own [TS]

00:30:55   yeah right now are apart from what you [TS]

00:30:57   came into it with I have to because I [TS]

00:30:59   can sit there and read this article and [TS]

00:31:00   say like well Marshawn Lynch sure does [TS]

00:31:02   make a lot of plays and that's true [TS]

00:31:06   Richard Sherman is injured so that [TS]

00:31:08   affects things but the Patriots a Tom [TS]

00:31:15   Brady he's a real he makes some [TS]

00:31:17   completions mhm and now I don't know now [TS]

00:31:22   I don't know what to think [TS]

00:31:23   I also now all i can do is say well I'm [TS]

00:31:26   rooting for them to do anything now [TS]

00:31:28   they're going to the Super Bowl right [TS]

00:31:30   we're going to the Super Bowl now are [TS]

00:31:31   you invited to that [TS]

00:31:32   am I invited to this code your time out [TS]

00:31:35   to the superbowl party 171 I would be [TS]

00:31:38   except that i will be in on a little [TS]

00:31:41   thing called the joke cruise on now I'm [TS]

00:31:43   sorry gonna miss that that man that this [TS]

00:31:46   could be your this is like your [TS]

00:31:48   quinceaƱera of football you know it's [TS]

00:31:50   not a shame but here's the thing about [TS]

00:31:52   about footballs is that i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:31:57   that on the day of the superbowl we will [TS]

00:32:02   be able to watch it anywhere in the [TS]

00:32:05   Western Hemisphere yeah pollen stormy [TS]

00:32:08   man all the usual suspects all sitting [TS]

00:32:10   in the sitting in the cabinet spot a man [TS]

00:32:12   sad TT should watch with me but I do [TS]

00:32:15   that in a heartbeat [TS]

00:32:15   yeah it's a man is a hard person to know [TS]

00:32:17   whether she is like we're whatever she [TS]

00:32:20   decides that football is our secret [TS]

00:32:22   passion or she's deeply passionate about [TS]

00:32:24   it or whether she would blow it off [TS]

00:32:26   because amy has that has strange passion [TS]

00:32:28   right like some things that you would [TS]

00:32:31   owe you know what she's very into boxing [TS]

00:32:33   know any man is sweet science and heavy [TS]

00:32:37   man follows boxing religiously and is [TS]

00:32:40   very passionate about it I i would not [TS]

00:32:43   have guessed that so and in fact wrote [TS]

00:32:45   an album about boxing [TS]

00:32:48   it's called the boxing no it's not it's [TS]

00:32:52   called something else the heavyweight [TS]

00:32:54   champion [TS]

00:32:55   it's called sugar ray leonard I'm just [TS]

00:32:57   saying what [TS]

00:32:59   um so and this is the other thing about [TS]

00:33:01   sports you don't realize like who the [TS]

00:33:03   secret that there are all kinds of [TS]

00:33:05   people walking around in hard hats [TS]

00:33:07   painted in their team colors with two [TS]

00:33:09   beers attached to the Hat [TS]

00:33:11   uh-huh straws that you know like that [TS]

00:33:13   guy's a sports fan [TS]

00:33:15   ok but then there are all these people [TS]

00:33:16   like George will or a crazy with the [TS]

00:33:20   baseball right I crazy about baseball or [TS]

00:33:22   milk george bundy or Bundy mcgeorge [TS]

00:33:25   driver that's right sergeant pepper and [TS]

00:33:29   that turns out they're all into sports [TS]

00:33:31   and you know well sports right okay this [TS]

00:33:35   is a thing that you can this is you know [TS]

00:33:37   and i'm now reading these sports [TS]

00:33:38   articles which are actually pretty well [TS]

00:33:40   written [TS]

00:33:41   they're not just guys are typing in all [TS]

00:33:43   caps [TS]

00:33:44   yell yell yell they're talking about [TS]

00:33:47   sports as though it's in a way [TS]

00:33:50   Merlin it's like um it's like people [TS]

00:33:53   that write history about war i know [TS]

00:33:55   there's that they I've heard this said [TS]

00:33:57   for many years that well now I'm [TS]

00:34:00   thinking that Kurt Vonnegut quote where [TS]

00:34:01   he says all the best writers at Cornell [TS]

00:34:03   era in the science program but I think [TS]

00:34:05   it's pretty well understood that some of [TS]

00:34:06   the most lively American writing of the [TS]

00:34:08   20th century was writing about sports [TS]

00:34:09   people i really admire writing an [TS]

00:34:11   accident it's not just not just honest [TS]

00:34:13   Thompson but lots of people uh you know [TS]

00:34:16   actually legitimately writing about [TS]

00:34:18   sports [TS]

00:34:19   good writing legitimate writing about [TS]

00:34:21   sports legitimate writing i'm rarely [TS]

00:34:23   surprised to find out somebody like [TS]

00:34:25   sports [TS]

00:34:26   just because that's to me that's you [TS]

00:34:29   know it's like are probably says not [TS]

00:34:31   like the Beatles that's like not like an [TS]

00:34:32   air you know it's like I'm just so used [TS]

00:34:35   to everybody being into some kind of a [TS]

00:34:37   sport in some league at some level right [TS]

00:34:40   we even if thats mean they're alive a [TS]

00:34:42   lot [TS]

00:34:42   and who are really into soccer or like a [TS]

00:34:45   premier league soccer or even if that's [TS]

00:34:47   what I just don't understand it [TS]

00:34:48   I don't know like I could see that but i [TS]

00:34:51   know a lot of people i admire our into [TS]

00:34:53   soccer but I've been watching soccer [TS]

00:34:55   games my entire life and I just feel [TS]

00:34:56   like it's not this is not a bisque the [TS]

00:34:59   pace of this game is not one you know I [TS]

00:35:01   was raised different you know different [TS]

00:35:03   things like we watched the technology to [TS]

00:35:05   local sports ball team here was in the [TS]

00:35:07   the the baseball series this year we [TS]

00:35:09   watch that it was pretty fun it was [TS]

00:35:11   pretty fun I mean it was you know some [TS]

00:35:13   good games and stuff and it's not it's [TS]

00:35:14   fun you know I got a kid you know I hate [TS]

00:35:17   basketball and that makes me very [TS]

00:35:20   unpopular with is it about basketball [TS]

00:35:23   well it's that it's that it just goes [TS]

00:35:26   back and forth back and forth back and [TS]

00:35:27   forth and you just you know both teams [TS]

00:35:29   score honored points and then the whole [TS]

00:35:30   game is decided in the last three [TS]

00:35:32   minutes by like who scored the last two [TS]

00:35:34   points is gonna quit it quit it is a [TS]

00:35:37   very frustrating game [TS]

00:35:38   it feels like basketball game should be [TS]

00:35:39   three minutes long and they should just [TS]

00:35:41   you know like first-team 24 points wins [TS]

00:35:43   can't hear that understand about college [TS]

00:35:45   is you can make you can make points by [TS]

00:35:48   throwing the ball through the hoop [TS]

00:35:49   things you got all these guys running [TS]

00:35:51   around but then there's two interesting [TS]

00:35:53   things to know but don't you have to be [TS]

00:35:54   on a broom [TS]

00:35:55   that's right and as i understand it now [TS]

00:35:58   see I've been very I'm only gonna say [TS]

00:35:59   this to you because i don't actually [TS]

00:36:00   want to have this argument with somebody [TS]

00:36:01   in the harry potter community [TS]

00:36:02   ok but here's the thing as I understand [TS]

00:36:04   quidditch there's two interesting rules [TS]

00:36:06   about quidditch to make every other rule [TS]

00:36:08   pointless [TS]

00:36:09   ok first rule of Quidditch is that there [TS]

00:36:11   isn't there are quit yeah you do not [TS]

00:36:14   talk quits clock okay right now one down [TS]

00:36:18   and is that you got the role that the [TS]

00:36:21   harry has Al which is your the things [TS]

00:36:23   called the seeker and the secret goes [TS]

00:36:25   after this magical thing called the the [TS]

00:36:27   Golden Snitch ok and if you get get the [TS]

00:36:31   Golden Snitch you know how many points [TS]

00:36:32   to get how many a hundred and fifty a [TS]

00:36:36   hundred and fifty points to get the [TS]

00:36:37   golden snake ok that's well that's [TS]

00:36:38   that's really important rule number one [TS]

00:36:40   you're ready for important rule number [TS]

00:36:41   two the game is not over until somebody [TS]

00:36:43   catches the Golden Snitch [TS]

00:36:45   alright what are the other ways to score [TS]

00:36:47   just 10 20 a fucking ball through a hoop [TS]

00:36:50   like I'm like a MOOC also think about [TS]

00:36:52   that the games are over to be [TS]

00:36:54   excited when you get the snitch nothing [TS]

00:36:56   else matters right so it's just a game [TS]

00:36:57   of getting the snitch why bother scoring [TS]

00:36:59   all that the other point here comes the [TS]

00:37:02   Owls that's the that's the wizard [TS]

00:37:04   version of email so you're going to get [TS]

00:37:07   me to get you so into harry potter oh [TS]

00:37:08   you're gonna get emails from people who [TS]

00:37:10   are like the whole point of this is the [TS]

00:37:12   other parts to get the blood but really [TS]

00:37:15   yes it's a it's like a winner take all [TS]

00:37:17   situation especially more of a test of [TS]

00:37:19   character [TS]

00:37:20   no man i am the worst i'm the worst gets [TS]

00:37:23   funny you should say this though because [TS]

00:37:24   we talked about like you no surprise [TS]

00:37:26   that who likes sports like I was not [TS]

00:37:28   into comics for 30-some years not [TS]

00:37:32   against it i made fun of it a little bit [TS]

00:37:33   but you know haha nerds reading comics [TS]

00:37:35   and then as you know I got kind of [TS]

00:37:37   comics couple years ago less SuperDuper [TS]

00:37:40   into it right now but now I mean you [TS]

00:37:42   can't swing a dead cat without running [TS]

00:37:44   into somebody who's a giant comics fan [TS]

00:37:46   and like so many people that so the [TS]

00:37:48   island clearly states to contrast this [TS]

00:37:50   to other people today given that [TS]

00:37:52   Marvel's going to have you know between [TS]

00:37:53   Marvel DC I read something an amazing [TS]

00:37:57   article on Grantland how did we get to [TS]

00:37:59   talking about marvel vs DC over the next [TS]

00:38:03   three to four years i believe there's [TS]

00:38:04   going to be 70 superhero movies coming [TS]

00:38:08   out so it should be no it's I mean [TS]

00:38:10   that's too many and literature is [TS]

00:38:13   surprised to know one that people like [TS]

00:38:14   comics now and yet when i hear something [TS]

00:38:16   like oh nothing such person really likes [TS]

00:38:18   comments more like wow that's kinda cool [TS]

00:38:20   i wouldn't guess that right but it is [TS]

00:38:23   kind of the literature of nerdy as [TS]

00:38:25   another one like it's it's surprising [TS]

00:38:27   how many people were not just playing [TS]

00:38:30   D&D but we're super into some aspect of [TS]

00:38:33   dnd but you know there's not that many [TS]

00:38:35   shirts for adults about what and I feel [TS]

00:38:38   like I i saw this i mean i-i can't speak [TS]

00:38:41   to the comics experience [TS]

00:38:44   ok I'll bring it back Harry Potter but I [TS]

00:38:47   i remember and I'm sure you do too but I [TS]

00:38:49   I it was profoundly true here in Seattle [TS]

00:38:53   that in 1991-92 and i don't mean to [TS]

00:38:56   always talk about punk rock [TS]

00:38:59   but in 1991-92 everybody in seattle was [TS]

00:39:03   scrambling to reconstruct their personal [TS]

00:39:06   history in such a way that they had [TS]

00:39:08   always been punk and that they were they [TS]

00:39:11   they were the one kid in their high [TS]

00:39:13   school that got a ton of shit for being [TS]

00:39:15   talked about curation yeah right i mean [TS]

00:39:17   but seriously I mean that the kind of [TS]

00:39:19   manicure history and the and the kind of [TS]

00:39:21   Stalinist photo editing that might look [TS]

00:39:25   like that time you were a garbage bag on [TS]

00:39:26   punk rock day shows that you are punk [TS]

00:39:28   since you got a working your punk the [TS]

00:39:29   whole time that's right and and and it [TS]

00:39:33   involved not it wasn't I don't think all [TS]

00:39:36   dishonest because there are a lot of [TS]

00:39:39   people that had had a very you know [TS]

00:39:42   interesting childhood in the eighties [TS]

00:39:44   but the selective remembering of events [TS]

00:39:48   and like you say the one time on [TS]

00:39:50   Halloween that they put they made a [TS]

00:39:51   mohawk out of out of shaving cream in [TS]

00:39:54   their hair that picture became the [TS]

00:39:56   picture that was that was on their [TS]

00:39:58   refrigerator and was like yeah man you [TS]

00:40:02   know back in back in Central Valley [TS]

00:40:04   California I was one pumpkin my whole [TS]

00:40:06   school and it was very important to [TS]

00:40:09   everybody that there that they have [TS]

00:40:10   their bona fides for their bona fides [TS]

00:40:13   depending on who you want to ask all in [TS]

00:40:18   a row because nobody wanted to be [TS]

00:40:20   because there was one of the things [TS]

00:40:21   about punk rock is that there was [TS]

00:40:23   nothing uncool ER than being new to the [TS]

00:40:26   scene right because that was what up [TS]

00:40:28   that was what a poser was you didn't [TS]

00:40:31   want to say like actually I was just a [TS]

00:40:33   total like normal like preppy nobody and [TS]

00:40:36   then I decided the punk-rock really [TS]

00:40:37   meant something to me when it became [TS]

00:40:40   popular [TS]

00:40:41   mhm and so it was it was ridiculous and [TS]

00:40:44   I remember I remember saying at the time [TS]

00:40:48   like I've been to a lot of places in [TS]

00:40:51   America I remember exact remember [TS]

00:40:53   exactly how many punk rockers there were [TS]

00:40:55   in the united states in 1985 and that it [TS]

00:40:58   was just to say not that many [TS]

00:41:00   he's seen probably seen most of the time [TS]

00:41:02   I saw a lot of them because you know i [TS]

00:41:04   was i was a young person i was traveling [TS]

00:41:07   and I those were small scenes [TS]

00:41:10   and they were you know little readouts [TS]

00:41:13   against the culture and it is not [TS]

00:41:14   possible that every single person who in [TS]

00:41:17   2019 92 claimed to have been punk it's [TS]

00:41:20   not possible that they all were popping [TS]

00:41:21   sound like our generations version of [TS]

00:41:23   claiming to be a good stuff right or [TS]

00:41:24   yeah right there claiming to have been [TS]

00:41:26   on a tear at d-day or whatever and I [TS]

00:41:28   feel the same way about Dungeons and [TS]

00:41:29   Dragons because i did play Dungeons and [TS]

00:41:32   Dragons but not very much or very well I [TS]

00:41:36   was very into D&D culture and the [TS]

00:41:40   concise right there with you i spent [TS]

00:41:42   much more time drawing Maps anything oh [TS]

00:41:44   I drew maps and I made dungeons and I [TS]

00:41:46   and I SAT and dreamt of like how many [TS]

00:41:49   platinum pieces i could put in the hold [TS]

00:41:51   of the ship i was building and i will [TS]

00:41:54   you indeed encumbrance I'm what does [TS]

00:41:57   encumbrances where you can only carry so [TS]

00:41:59   much stuff it like it affects your [TS]

00:42:00   fighting and movement speed if you're [TS]

00:42:03   carrying when so many pounds of stuff [TS]

00:42:05   no i did not do that i did not really [TS]

00:42:08   follow the rules of Dungeons and Dragons [TS]

00:42:10   at all right but i but I poured over the [TS]

00:42:14   Lord the Lord in the books and the dice [TS]

00:42:16   and the figures in the hex paper it's [TS]

00:42:18   like it was it's so fun loved it i still [TS]

00:42:20   have my dice I still you know I have the [TS]

00:42:24   matter in a special place on my mantle I [TS]

00:42:27   still think about those days and I you [TS]

00:42:30   know I was profoundly invested in the [TS]

00:42:33   idea of that magic was real and that you [TS]

00:42:36   know and that this interesting a sort of [TS]

00:42:40   cool osh of like medieval culture but [TS]

00:42:45   they are in an alternate universe and [TS]

00:42:48   also its kind of futuristic her that [TS]

00:42:51   that that that is the you know that is [TS]

00:42:54   the dilithium crystal boot powers all of [TS]

00:42:58   nerd culture this like troika of [TS]

00:43:02   influences fantasy are alternate [TS]

00:43:04   universe possibilities medieval [TS]

00:43:07   technology but somehow also inexplicably [TS]

00:43:12   in the future or using futuristic [TS]

00:43:14   technology to loved it I loved it ate it [TS]

00:43:17   with a spoon but I can [TS]

00:43:19   not honestly say to you that I in any [TS]

00:43:22   real way played D&D you know because I [TS]

00:43:27   probably played the actual game of D&D [TS]

00:43:30   with a dungeon master and a campaign [TS]

00:43:32   probably played it five times [TS]

00:43:36   I just wasn't interested in another [TS]

00:43:38   thirteen-year-old kid governing my [TS]

00:43:42   journey to middle-earth i-i-i handle all [TS]

00:43:49   of that in my imaginarium but but when I [TS]

00:43:52   hear about in needham antium with minor [TS]

00:43:55   bantam but now I'd like I was just at [TS]

00:43:57   Woodstock right and how long do you [TS]

00:43:59   think before dungeons and dragons came [TS]

00:44:01   up with in the you know in the [TS]

00:44:03   meet-and-greet like within two 2 r2 [TS]

00:44:07   middle parsecs 24 seconds and four [TS]

00:44:12   section seven so I'm standing back there [TS]

00:44:15   and now we're all talking about Dungeons [TS]

00:44:16   and Dragons and I can I because of my [TS]

00:44:19   own personal integrity i cannot jump in [TS]

00:44:21   and say I play D&D but I feel people do [TS]

00:44:26   that and I and I look at them and I go [TS]

00:44:28   did you really play [TS]

00:44:29   I mean are you a fake geek girl is that [TS]

00:44:31   what I'm saying oh boy i did you really [TS]

00:44:33   play dnd or did you just did you redo [TS]

00:44:37   noon brush up against DNT and you know [TS]

00:44:41   enjoy some facet of it but i think it [TS]

00:44:44   now i don't know i disagree because i [TS]

00:44:46   think it still counts so that because [TS]

00:44:47   for me I mean I just cuz i play D&D by [TS]

00:44:49   that by my definition [TS]

00:44:51   yeah i mean like but I I mean you were [TS]

00:44:53   we say play D&D I think the thing there [TS]

00:44:55   is like how much did you connect with [TS]

00:44:58   the culture and in that case connecting [TS]

00:45:00   with culture for me was will big-time to [TS]

00:45:02   the point where like I practically had [TS]

00:45:03   scoliosis from carrying these five [TS]

00:45:04   hardcover books around school with me [TS]

00:45:06   all the time haha for heavy they are [TS]

00:45:09   heavy and there's a lot to there's a lot [TS]

00:45:13   to know [TS]

00:45:14   yeah I mean you know how many hit points [TS]

00:45:16   a bugbear has [TS]

00:45:19   40 i don't know i don't either [TS]

00:45:22   I'll find out did you send me a link you [TS]

00:45:25   sent you a link to a photo from my high [TS]

00:45:27   school yearbook 1983 it's a photo from [TS]

00:45:29   punk-rock day punk rock day [TS]

00:45:32   Merlin Mann some-some heavily heavily [TS]

00:45:35   connected popular girls dressed up in [TS]

00:45:37   garbage bags [TS]

00:45:38   oh I have this fantastic picture from my [TS]

00:45:42   sophomore year halloween of the two like [TS]

00:45:46   cutest preppy girls wearing black [TS]

00:45:49   lipstick and um yeah like no man i get [TS]

00:45:54   that laminated garbage bags hurts a home [TS]

00:45:57   and you can rock me to sleep tonight I [TS]

00:45:59   would have been looking at it [TS]

00:46:01   I've been looking at it for 35 years [TS]

00:46:03   garbage bag mini skirt but it doesn't [TS]

00:46:06   make so hot it didn't make those girls [TS]

00:46:08   punk [TS]

00:46:08   I don't care yeah oh my god garbage bag [TS]

00:46:12   mini skirt [TS]

00:46:12   oh whoa oh my goodness [TS]

00:46:16   so now this is requiring that I sign in [TS]

00:46:18   to flickr nevermind important it's just [TS]

00:46:20   personal side ponytails wearing garbage [TS]

00:46:22   bags you know well now it's gonna be my [TS]

00:46:24   time on how come on yahoo now look here [TS]

00:46:27   on your mother's you're not a fan that [TS]

00:46:31   says sorry there was an error please [TS]

00:46:32   sign in again and i will add just like [TS]

00:46:35   with you to anybody who has access to [TS]

00:46:37   pictures of girls wearing garbage bags [TS]

00:46:39   in a cute way I think that would make a [TS]

00:46:41   great tumblr I'm just gonna toss it out [TS]

00:46:42   there pictures of like you [TS]

00:46:44   cucumber fresh from minerals not dead [TS]

00:46:48   girls that's super-important guys have [TS]

00:46:50   to be cute perky girls you would not [TS]

00:46:51   normally expect to our garbage bag [TS]

00:46:53   wearing a garbage bag in a sweet and [TS]

00:46:55   winsome way [TS]

00:46:56   Oh that'd be nice I would watch that [TS]

00:46:59   play some other ones i like a lot for [TS]

00:47:01   get back to harry potter how this Yahoo [TS]

00:47:04   what is yahoo why is it still there [TS]

00:47:07   I want to see the baby all right i want [TS]

00:47:08   to say but flicker like 15 years ago I [TS]

00:47:10   don't want to interact with the I don't [TS]

00:47:12   started to put it away put it away [TS]

00:47:14   alright alright uh craigslist mirrors [TS]

00:47:18   it's a taller nothing but photos of [TS]

00:47:21   mirrors that people have posted on [TS]

00:47:23   craigslist and they are endlessly [TS]

00:47:25   fascinating have you ever been fooled by [TS]

00:47:28   have you ever gone and looked at an ad [TS]

00:47:30   in craigslist on you don't know the bay [TS]

00:47:33   and it's it turns out that it's a guy [TS]

00:47:36   taking a picture of his uh his Don goal [TS]

00:47:38   in the reflection of my eye I saw the [TS]

00:47:41   name is photo of the man in the teapot [TS]

00:47:44   or whatever it was called the famous one [TS]

00:47:46   from a very very very long one of the [TS]

00:47:47   first means i remember was a picture of [TS]

00:47:49   a sort of a stout man taking a picture [TS]

00:47:53   of a teapot for ebay and you can clearly [TS]

00:47:55   see his dingus that I remember you [TS]

00:47:58   saying this is the thing is just like a [TS]

00:47:59   sexy thing it isn't thing i have i've [TS]

00:48:01   actually looked at an ad for a thing and [TS]

00:48:04   then realized I felt weird i'll come on [TS]

00:48:08   you think happens like it happens you'll [TS]

00:48:10   see it saw then saw up in the reflection [TS]

00:48:14   of a hubcap or something a guy in a in a [TS]

00:48:18   proposing Jack an appeal i can have been [TS]

00:48:22   opposing a banana hammock that would [TS]

00:48:27   that would put me off my beer whoo what [TS]

00:48:30   they've been out there again you just [TS]

00:48:31   nailed another one which is it's very [TS]

00:48:33   difficult to take pictures of some [TS]

00:48:34   things without having yourself in it and [TS]

00:48:36   I know that no matter how hard I try [TS]

00:48:38   what people are gonna notice most is [TS]

00:48:40   going to examine me in the picture of [TS]

00:48:42   the thing that I would you know what I [TS]

00:48:43   mean yeah like I get in realizing that i [TS]

00:48:46   posted the other night when I posted a [TS]

00:48:47   picture of the bell getting ready to do [TS]

00:48:49   our show that my course my reflection is [TS]

00:48:52   in it and haha o sea ice closed [TS]

00:48:55   you know I was BSB shirted I where I [TS]

00:48:58   work clothes all the time so it's not a [TS]

00:49:00   problem i do I wonder about this because [TS]

00:49:02   I enjoyed this enjoy selfies but I also [TS]

00:49:05   and and I think that I am vain but i [TS]

00:49:10   also have no way I'm the Hanuman I think [TS]

00:49:13   he just broke my programming [TS]

00:49:14   I try and unpacked the statement I think [TS]

00:49:17   I'm vain i think i may my real involved [TS]

00:49:20   three sets up football i am but about up [TS]

00:49:23   but i also have a very clear-eyed [TS]

00:49:25   picture in of like what I actually look [TS]

00:49:28   like and what we're that where that [TS]

00:49:31   falls you know like I don't think that I [TS]

00:49:34   am beautiful [TS]

00:49:37   I don't know i'm not done you know just [TS]

00:49:39   selfies like it just before they have [TS]

00:49:41   named it was just always a picture of a [TS]

00:49:44   girl taking a picture of herself in the [TS]

00:49:47   bathroom mirror and like I would you [TS]

00:49:49   just became like a thing and like the [TS]

00:49:51   cute girl taking a picture yourself in [TS]

00:49:53   the bathroom mirror [TS]

00:49:53   the only thing that made me like those [TS]

00:49:55   photos much more than today's modern [TS]

00:49:57   selfies are that yes they were less sort [TS]

00:50:00   of contrived but also they look at the [TS]

00:50:03   lens the thing I can't say that thing [TS]

00:50:05   that drives me nuts i stand somebody's [TS]

00:50:07   gonna have to explain this to me someday [TS]

00:50:08   I don't understand why all selfies [TS]

00:50:10   including celebrity selfies are prayin [TS]

00:50:12   primarily of somebody chimp and thrown [TS]

00:50:14   camera while they take a picture [TS]

00:50:16   what does that mean champion I like when [TS]

00:50:18   you're looking at the preview of the of [TS]

00:50:20   the thing when you're looks like instead [TS]

00:50:22   of taking a picture of yourself looking [TS]

00:50:23   into the lens [TS]

00:50:24   oh you're looking at yourself looking at [TS]

00:50:25   yourself looking at your camera taking a [TS]

00:50:28   picture of you i can't I don't [TS]

00:50:30   understand that either but i think the [TS]

00:50:31   doctor today I think that's maybe that's [TS]

00:50:33   part of the lure is that they're looking [TS]

00:50:35   at themselves and can see now we're back [TS]

00:50:37   to rowland park now whatchu think we're [TS]

00:50:38   down to sure at this point happy looking [TS]

00:50:41   at a picture of yourself in a mirror [TS]

00:50:43   looking at a picture of yourself on your [TS]

00:50:45   own and you know set up [TS]

00:50:47   oh yes I think I i think i agree with [TS]

00:50:50   you i find that hotter summers in the [TS]

00:50:56   sense in the sense that pearl really [TS]

00:50:58   looking at me looking at me look at me [TS]

00:51:00   for the for a long time [TS]

00:51:02   the only thing i found a erotic about [TS]

00:51:05   porn movies was that moment in every [TS]

00:51:08   porn movie where the actress can't help [TS]

00:51:11   but look at the camera was like yeah [TS]

00:51:14   there's this there's there's always [TS]

00:51:15   there's always a moment where she is [TS]

00:51:17   either saying like are you getting this [TS]

00:51:19   or just like she just can't she just [TS]

00:51:23   breaks the fourth wall and that was [TS]

00:51:26   always the moment that made the kind of [TS]

00:51:29   that that brought the whole because the [TS]

00:51:33   fantasy of like I'm just the guy [TS]

00:51:35   delivering pizzas and whoa [TS]

00:51:38   yes the load ladies like it could never [TS]

00:51:40   I was never invested in any of those [TS]

00:51:42   fancy i'm talking attempted to our young [TS]

00:51:45   listeners who do not understand what i [TS]

00:51:48   am talking about [TS]

00:51:49   talking about an actual actual for a [TS]

00:51:52   time before contemporary porn when it [TS]

00:51:55   was actual feature-length movies that [TS]

00:51:58   purported to have a plot where people [TS]

00:52:02   had unlikely sex will get a lot of [TS]

00:52:05   business negotiations gone wrong [TS]

00:52:06   yeah misunderstandings about money [TS]

00:52:08   people come in and then you know like [TS]

00:52:10   the someone comes in to take dictation [TS]

00:52:12   education you got problems with Dinah [TS]

00:52:16   Kabul you might want to get the cable [TS]

00:52:18   fixed [TS]

00:52:18   yeah the guys sitting at a bar and the [TS]

00:52:21   bartender and he are there alone and [TS]

00:52:24   things get a little out of hands a lot [TS]

00:52:28   of a lot of it seems to involve women [TS]

00:52:30   needing a favor [TS]

00:52:31   oh right right it all kind of work it [TS]

00:52:33   out because they like intercourse [TS]

00:52:35   strangers and I feel like there was that [TS]

00:52:37   moment in the eighties when all of a [TS]

00:52:39   sudden it was not the lady going to the [TS]

00:52:41   boy doctor but it was the boy going to [TS]

00:52:43   the lady doctor will switcheroo little [TS]

00:52:45   feminist like like inversion of your [TS]

00:52:48   expectations [TS]

00:52:49   yes but all of those plots were not very [TS]

00:52:52   interesting and and and what was [TS]

00:52:55   interesting where those moments where [TS]

00:52:56   the boom mike came into the shot or or [TS]

00:53:00   one of the one of the people just for a [TS]

00:53:04   second glance to right into the camera [TS]

00:53:06   and it was like right this is being made [TS]

00:53:09   this movie is being made in a motel room [TS]

00:53:13   in you know like probably four blocks [TS]

00:53:17   from where the tonight show is being [TS]

00:53:19   filmed and I uh and dad is interesting [TS]

00:53:25   to me or you know that was interesting [TS]

00:53:26   to my young libido in a way my young [TS]

00:53:30   sentence is not just a little on POV [TS]

00:53:32   cumshot it does all of you the you the [TS]

00:53:36   reader a little bit of insight right she [TS]

00:53:38   just kind of looked she she didn't she [TS]

00:53:40   done it wasn't aware of looking at me [TS]

00:53:41   she was almost looking at her own [TS]

00:53:43   reflection in the lens of the of 35 [TS]

00:53:46   millimeter film camera that is recording [TS]

00:53:48   this for posterity but i do feel like [TS]

00:53:50   that you're right that looking into the [TS]

00:53:52   phone pointing it into the mirror that [TS]

00:53:55   there's something erotic being [TS]

00:53:57   communicated their yeah [TS]

00:53:59   yeah 70 semiotic semi semi on a titanium [TS]

00:54:04   now how does that relate back to [TS]

00:54:09   Quidditch that's not important [TS]

00:54:11   i mean i-i got into an argument with [TS]

00:54:13   somebody on the internet the other day [TS]

00:54:14   where she said something to the effect [TS]

00:54:16   of she was trying to make common cause [TS]

00:54:18   with me and said something like blah [TS]

00:54:21   blah blah blah blah something from Harry [TS]

00:54:23   Potter universe am i right [TS]

00:54:25   mm and I was like eating get the [TS]

00:54:27   reference i didn't get the reference and [TS]

00:54:29   I didn't get why she thought I would and [TS]

00:54:30   I was like I don't you know Harry Potter [TS]

00:54:32   doesn't I'm not even doing see that i'm [TS]

00:54:35   such a crappy nerd [TS]

00:54:36   I mean I have friends that are so much [TS]

00:54:38   more successful nerds good nerd now i'm [TS]

00:54:41   not i do it wrong [TS]

00:54:43   I mean I don't do it I don't do the [TS]

00:54:45   nerdy stuff in the right nerdy way I'm [TS]

00:54:46   late to a lot of it and i've done as a [TS]

00:54:49   as an observer of the harry potter [TS]

00:54:51   community I i I'm living the unthinkable [TS]

00:54:54   court which is what you think about Liz [TS]

00:54:57   I have not read the words in a hole [TS]

00:55:01   harry potter book ever [TS]

00:55:03   what's really good I have I love the [TS]

00:55:06   movies and i love the audio books but I [TS]

00:55:10   did not read any of the books when they [TS]

00:55:14   were out when i got into it because my [TS]

00:55:16   daughter and I said my daughter hey [TS]

00:55:17   let's try this harry potter thing she [TS]

00:55:19   was really scared at first came back a [TS]

00:55:20   few months later she ate it with a spoon [TS]

00:55:22   and like this past summer we watched [TS]

00:55:24   harry potter movie every day so I didn't [TS]

00:55:26   all whatever seven or eight of them [TS]

00:55:27   multiple I've seen the third one [TS]

00:55:30   many many times I've seen this the final [TS]

00:55:33   one many many times since I've seen all [TS]

00:55:35   of them except a couple at least four [TS]

00:55:37   times probably seen no I have never seen [TS]

00:55:39   a harry potter movie delightful but I [TS]

00:55:42   did read all the books one time [TS]

00:55:44   what because I was locked in the brig of [TS]

00:55:47   a transatlantic ship and that was all [TS]

00:55:51   that was there big this the captain had [TS]

00:55:58   a secret work you are doing the captain [TS]

00:56:00   a pro I i would say pretty inflexible a [TS]

00:56:03   idea of what constituted a mutiny and so [TS]

00:56:06   I ended up in the brig and there were [TS]

00:56:09   Harry Potter books in there and I was [TS]

00:56:10   like well I'm here for my head [TS]

00:56:12   for the first time in months I'm on the [TS]

00:56:14   side of the listener right now [TS]

00:56:16   what the fuck you talking about up i [TS]

00:56:20   love the idea of you being in a brig [TS]

00:56:21   three books about wizard haha i was it I [TS]

00:56:26   was it effectively in a break [TS]

00:56:28   I was just you know you haven't we [TS]

00:56:29   haven't a timeout I was having a timeout [TS]

00:56:32   and there was nothing to do except for [TS]

00:56:35   that inexplicably all the Harry Potter [TS]

00:56:39   books were in this place [TS]

00:56:41   they're really long there were well the [TS]

00:56:44   other long but they are quick read how [TS]

00:56:46   they did that there i think they're very [TS]

00:56:48   well I mean I've read a lot of the first [TS]

00:56:50   one and we listened to the audiobook [TS]

00:56:52   usually from number 20 [TS]

00:56:56   pretty much every day we pick a section [TS]

00:56:58   you know chapter six killed a ride [TS]

00:57:00   Lockhart after seven my blogs and yes [TS]

00:57:02   but we-we've I've heard I've heard them [TS]

00:57:05   and and I've read some of the books and [TS]

00:57:07   they are a real page-turner I get why [TS]

00:57:10   they were a phenomena you have to mark [TS]

00:57:12   the things that what i will say is that [TS]

00:57:13   the books are I think a good deal darker [TS]

00:57:16   than the movies by and large I you know [TS]

00:57:18   but I but there's still like kids books [TS]

00:57:21   or but the kids should have a dark stuff [TS]

00:57:23   it's like my Frank I english said i was [TS]

00:57:24   i was like talking about how I felt [TS]

00:57:25   really bad that I've been as far as i [TS]

00:57:28   know i've been pretty good about not [TS]

00:57:31   horribly scoring my kid with media she [TS]

00:57:34   seen a lot of shit you shouldn't see [TS]

00:57:35   she's seen tons of pg-13 movies all [TS]

00:57:37   kinds definitely for things that I've [TS]

00:57:39   ever really scared her [TS]

00:57:40   yeah and one of them for a while was the [TS]

00:57:43   Daleks in Doctor Who my friend guys from [TS]

00:57:46   Canada is like that there is a rich [TS]

00:57:48   tradition like every little kid every [TS]

00:57:50   adult in England is still scared of [TS]

00:57:52   dollars because they were scared them [TS]

00:57:53   when they're little [TS]

00:57:53   don't feel bad alright think about the [TS]

00:57:56   brothers grimm think about what we mean [TS]

00:57:58   literally tore something we've always [TS]

00:58:01   given kids the grossest and scariest [TS]

00:58:05   stories but you know I think about it [TS]

00:58:07   having a child the first time she first [TS]

00:58:11   time my daughter asked me about death [TS]

00:58:14   was not very long after she started [TS]

00:58:18   talking I mean she said she's an early [TS]

00:58:21   and lively talker right yeah [TS]

00:58:24   early and lively talker but but after [TS]

00:58:26   she started properly talking and asking [TS]

00:58:29   questions [TS]

00:58:30   it was very early on like you know where [TS]

00:58:34   do you go when you die what is death [TS]

00:58:36   why what are these you know she she she [TS]

00:58:39   she's very interested in graveyards and [TS]

00:58:43   when you think about it driving around [TS]

00:58:45   it's like well yeah it's very [TS]

00:58:46   interesting what the fuck is that all [TS]

00:58:49   you have to do is look out the window [TS]

00:58:50   and say like well this area of town is [TS]

00:58:53   very different from everywhere else or [TS]

00:58:55   just sex is the famous one of like you [TS]

00:58:57   wonder what it's like and speculate [TS]

00:58:59   about all the different levels of how [TS]

00:59:01   whatever that thing is works but I think [TS]

00:59:03   death the death and burial process can't [TS]

00:59:05   be too far behind [TS]

00:59:06   there's a lot of levels to go on [TS]

00:59:07   equipment so there's a body in the [TS]

00:59:09   ground how did the body get in the [TS]

00:59:10   ground like it's just sitting there will [TS]

00:59:11   note in a box a box yes a really [TS]

00:59:13   expensive box by the grass on hang on [TS]

00:59:15   wait a minute [TS]

00:59:16   well no you get to see him right before [TS]

00:59:17   they die they have this little love to [TS]

00:59:19   put in a box with Dutch doors and you [TS]

00:59:20   get to look at the morning lots of [TS]

00:59:21   makeup and then they put them in the [TS]

00:59:23   ground right shoulder levels or you run [TS]

00:59:26   the box into the fireplace and then burn [TS]

00:59:28   them up and turns them into ash in there [TS]

00:59:29   any other this bucket here this one here [TS]

00:59:32   this one on the mantle here is this girl [TS]

00:59:35   is I mean at least in my experience a my [TS]

00:59:38   daughter doesn't have any she is not [TS]

00:59:40   curious about any aspect of sex that all [TS]

00:59:43   seems to make perfect sense [TS]

00:59:44   daddy put a baby inside a mommy next but [TS]

00:59:49   the question of like where is your daddy [TS]

00:59:52   well my daddy is dead how did your daddy [TS]

00:59:55   get dead [TS]

00:59:56   well everybody gets dead eventually [TS]

00:59:56   well everybody gets dead eventually [TS]

01:00:00   ok.how and and that is like I mean what [TS]

01:00:05   do we have to talk about really as human [TS]

01:00:08   beings [TS]

01:00:08   other than that it's still fascinating [TS]

01:00:11   absolutely i still wonder where my daddy [TS]

01:00:13   goes when he's it gets dead and how you [TS]

01:00:16   get dead and end with every passing day [TS]

01:00:18   I am more and more interested and also [TS]

01:00:20   less and less interested in how you get [TS]

01:00:22   dead and so she and and the idea that [TS]

01:00:25   because I think my instinct when she [TS]

01:00:28   first asked like like I did the [TS]

01:00:32   Terminator scroll on my heads up display [TS]

01:00:34   like that answer think of an answer what [TS]

01:00:36   are you going to say what you say and [TS]

01:00:39   then it was immediately clear to me like [TS]

01:00:41   what do you mean what do you say there's [TS]

01:00:42   no you're not faking her out [TS]

01:00:44   you're not trying to camouflage [TS]

01:00:45   something from her because you know [TS]

01:00:48   about as much about it as she does [TS]

01:00:49   that's right where did you go when you [TS]

01:00:51   get dead you look what I mean like what [TS]

01:00:53   real consolation can you give that isn't [TS]

01:00:56   a blatant line [TS]

01:00:56   yeah right and what is and why would why [TS]

01:00:59   would I even introduced the idea that [TS]

01:01:00   there was some consolation for it like I [TS]

01:01:03   mean I mean not to be obvious but don't [TS]

01:01:05   you don't want her to become overly [TS]

01:01:07   morose or scared right but i mean i [TS]

01:01:10   don't i don't know i think the word the [TS]

01:01:12   way that you get overly morose scared is [TS]

01:01:14   that you that you asked a simple [TS]

01:01:16   question which is how to where you go [TS]

01:01:17   when you get dead and then you watch [TS]

01:01:19   everybody around you freaked out and [TS]

01:01:21   something I work so hard at that and I I [TS]

01:01:24   get it right maybe ten percent of the [TS]

01:01:26   time is trying to like go wait a minute [TS]

01:01:28   stop don't editorialize dont preach and [TS]

01:01:31   don't feel like you have to try and [TS]

01:01:33   teach a lesson you can just say what it [TS]

01:01:35   is that smell is pot and our neighbors [TS]

01:01:38   are smoking it [TS]

01:01:39   yeah and that's what that is it's it's [TS]

01:01:41   just like it's like alcohol you know [TS]

01:01:43   it's a drug and when you smell that [TS]

01:01:45   that's what that is that spot any other [TS]

01:01:46   questions around probably 25 years ago I [TS]

01:01:49   if I were the same age you know and so [TS]

01:01:51   forth [TS]

01:01:51   I would've done it really differently I [TS]

01:01:53   would have a lot more like admonishments [TS]

01:01:54   and like you know really open up by [TS]

01:01:57   saying oh well they're breaking the law [TS]

01:01:58   or they're hurting their bodies or [TS]

01:02:01   something like that yeah we had one the [TS]

01:02:03   other day she ran away in a store and it [TS]

01:02:05   was a situation where she was standing [TS]

01:02:08   right next to me and i was looking at a [TS]

01:02:10   thing on a shelf [TS]

01:02:12   and then I looked down and she was gone [TS]

01:02:13   oh god it was like whoa this is the [TS]

01:02:16   first time this has happened and I when [TS]

01:02:18   I found her mom was also in the store [TS]

01:02:21   and that she hadn't gone to her mom she [TS]

01:02:23   was completely AWOL officially out of [TS]

01:02:26   sight right so I run to the front first [TS]

01:02:29   thing that happens man is nothing like [TS]

01:02:31   it [TS]

01:02:31   yeah I was no good I ran to the front [TS]

01:02:32   door of the store and stood facing into [TS]

01:02:35   the store from the front door [TS]

01:02:37   basically in like Robocop mode full-on [TS]

01:02:42   code Adam mood [TS]

01:02:43   yeah and a her mom you know made the [TS]

01:02:47   rounds and found her in the shoe [TS]

01:02:49   department wearing a pair of giant furry [TS]

01:02:53   pink fuzzy slippers with another with [TS]

01:02:56   like three more pairs of shoes in her [TS]

01:02:58   arms [TS]

01:02:58   not-not-not trying to buy them or bring [TS]

01:03:01   them to show it come to us but just like [TS]

01:03:03   it just basically having like a shoe [TS]

01:03:05   just the earliest stages of like a shoe [TS]

01:03:09   fetish and in talking to her about it I [TS]

01:03:12   was like you can't go you can't do that [TS]

01:03:16   you can never leave daddy without saying [TS]

01:03:19   where you're going you can't just run [TS]

01:03:21   away and I remember being given the same [TS]

01:03:24   talk in the seventies and then and at [TS]

01:03:28   the time people struggling to explain [TS]

01:03:31   why because they're bad men and there [TS]

01:03:34   are you know and and then the concept of [TS]

01:03:37   bad men got introduced into my head and [TS]

01:03:39   I was like well what happens with bad [TS]

01:03:40   men [TS]

01:03:41   I was like well Batman sometimes [TS]

01:03:43   sometimes drive Volkswagens with a [TS]

01:03:47   missing passenger seat and ask you for [TS]

01:03:49   help putting their canoe on the roof [TS]

01:03:51   right and then they end up having sex [TS]

01:03:53   with your dead body in the forest for [TS]

01:03:55   two weeks I was like okay that was not [TS]

01:03:58   what I needed to hear when I was seven [TS]

01:04:00   years old and as i was looking at my [TS]

01:04:03   daughter I was like you know who needs [TS]

01:04:05   to know why not you [TS]

01:04:07   the answer is don't ever do it that's [TS]

01:04:10   the end you don't be there there is no I [TS]

01:04:12   understand why you're asking why and the [TS]

01:04:14   answer is you don't need to know right [TS]

01:04:16   now all you need to know is don't ever [TS]

01:04:19   do that again and you know it's amazing [TS]

01:04:21   how how much they accept that because [TS]

01:04:24   that is ax [TS]

01:04:25   only true right that isn't just that's [TS]

01:04:28   not some planned parent jiu-jitsu and [TS]

01:04:30   playing it actually is true you do not [TS]

01:04:33   need to know why you just need to not do [TS]

01:04:36   that and there are so many things that [TS]

01:04:37   fall into that category my instinct as [TS]

01:04:40   an over explainer is like why [TS]

01:04:43   well let me explain when humans first [TS]

01:04:45   came for off the Savannah they tamed [TS]

01:04:49   dogs to help them hunt [TS]

01:04:51   it's just like the hell yeah I'm with [TS]

01:04:53   you it's me it's a it's a very revealing [TS]

01:04:56   exercise it's like any kind of you know [TS]

01:04:58   sort of exercise like that where you [TS]

01:05:00   have to do something within constraints [TS]

01:05:01   you know like for example remember being [TS]

01:05:03   a little kid and when you are taught how [TS]

01:05:07   when you define a word you can't use the [TS]

01:05:10   word and the definition and that [TS]

01:05:11   suddenly seems impossible you know when [TS]

01:05:13   you first try to do that but right we're [TS]

01:05:15   like well how could I was great because [TS]

01:05:18   i read if you use the word in it that [TS]

01:05:20   it's not really a definition it's like [TS]

01:05:22   wow you just blew my mind and for me [TS]

01:05:24   that's like at all [TS]

01:05:25   every level you're talking about and [TS]

01:05:26   probably even more for me where it's [TS]

01:05:28   like how do I keep how I just factually [TS]

01:05:30   say what this is to answer the question [TS]

01:05:32   without having to like / engineer why [TS]

01:05:36   it's the way it is how it's the way it [TS]

01:05:38   is or very importantly hear what culture [TS]

01:05:40   you should what kind of like feeling you [TS]

01:05:41   should have about it I tried really hard [TS]

01:05:42   to explain things without overly putting [TS]

01:05:45   my opinion on it which is something left [TS]

01:05:47   to my own devices i'll have a clever [TS]

01:05:48   remark that might stick with her forever [TS]

01:05:50   about how this is a dumb thing that you [TS]

01:05:51   don't need to ever think about it like [TS]

01:05:53   now I don't want to do that like I want [TS]

01:05:54   to just describe it as a thing and then [TS]

01:05:57   try to keep all that stuff and she has [TS]

01:05:58   questions to ask [TS]

01:05:59   yeah and I think it's really hard the [TS]

01:06:01   the hardest thing for any of us is to [TS]

01:06:03   say the the really big questions who [TS]

01:06:08   were none of us have any answers for and [TS]

01:06:10   all answers are pretend you know that we [TS]

01:06:14   don't know anything about why right [TS]

01:06:19   there is no answer and the and the [TS]

01:06:23   biggest question is why do we ask why it [TS]

01:06:26   is is that it's so clear that there is [TS]

01:06:29   an answer and yet we crave an answer to [TS]

01:06:31   their question and that is a fascinating [TS]

01:06:33   thing and that says everything there is [TS]

01:06:35   to say about humans but to say like I [TS]

01:06:39   do not know why none of us know why [TS]

01:06:41   every single institution you see on the [TS]

01:06:43   face of the earth is in some small [TS]

01:06:45   portion built to try and give a [TS]

01:06:49   convincing answer as to why and they are [TS]

01:06:53   all piss up a rope so there are so many [TS]

01:06:58   industries businesses philosophy schools [TS]

01:07:03   that like there's an entire like giant [TS]

01:07:05   part of our actual and in intellectual [TS]

01:07:08   economy that is wound up in trying to [TS]

01:07:11   find some satisfactory answer 28 and [TS]

01:07:13   essentially unanswerable question right [TS]

01:07:15   and i think what most of us do is we put [TS]

01:07:18   together us a long string of causal wise [TS]

01:07:22   right this is why that and this is why [TS]

01:07:25   that and this is why that it's the you [TS]

01:07:27   know it's a version of the the [TS]

01:07:29   mechanistic view of the universe all [TS]

01:07:32   looking for the uncaused cause all [TS]

01:07:34   looking for the thing that is at the end [TS]

01:07:36   of this chain of demonstrable wise and [TS]

01:07:41   it's just it's just turtles all the way [TS]

01:07:44   down right it's just but you can stack [TS]

01:07:46   as many wise that you can answer in a [TS]

01:07:49   row as you want but it ultimately [TS]

01:07:50   arrives at there's no why [TS]

01:07:53   and I mean that we had a lot of [TS]

01:07:55   fascinating talks on our honor trip to [TS]

01:07:58   Africa because David Rees kept bringing [TS]

01:08:00   up the question of a manned flight to [TS]

01:08:03   Mars and he asked everybody that we met [TS]

01:08:08   if you were given a chance to be on a [TS]

01:08:11   one-way trip to Mars like a settlers [TS]

01:08:14   voyage to Mars would you take it [TS]

01:08:17   and I thought it was an interesting [TS]

01:08:20   question and i was astonished at the [TS]

01:08:22   number of people and I'm it shouldn't [TS]

01:08:25   have been astonishing because we were [TS]

01:08:26   talking to people in the military but [TS]

01:08:28   the number of people that just instantly [TS]

01:08:30   said absolutely [TS]

01:08:31   Wow absolutely I would go on a one-way [TS]

01:08:34   manned mission to Mars and and David [TS]

01:08:39   just like day after day was just blown [TS]

01:08:42   away until he until he had to stop being [TS]

01:08:45   blown away because it was happening so [TS]

01:08:47   often among enlisted man among officers [TS]

01:08:50   men and women would you go on an [TS]

01:08:53   unmanned are on a on a one-way trip to [TS]

01:08:56   Mars [TS]

01:08:57   yes i would really be the big game for [TS]

01:08:59   somebody in the military and I get the [TS]

01:09:00   big leagues [TS]

01:09:01   ya know for sure but all but ultimately [TS]

01:09:04   it was a personal question and it was [TS]

01:09:07   down to the fact that most of the most [TS]

01:09:10   of the people that we met shared in some [TS]

01:09:13   way [TS]

01:09:14   a utopian spirit of humanity and that [TS]

01:09:23   exploration and and expansion and [TS]

01:09:29   colonization of space seemed to all of [TS]

01:09:34   them to be as close to a why as they [TS]

01:09:38   could come up with right there is no in [TS]

01:09:41   in absence of the answer an absence of [TS]

01:09:44   an answer to the question why all you [TS]

01:09:46   can do is explore and then go out and [TS]

01:09:50   David was like but that makes no sense [TS]

01:09:52   like why why why would you go out and do [TS]

01:09:55   that like that's a all this money and [TS]

01:09:57   resources to go do what nothing like we [TS]

01:09:59   could be using that that money in to [TS]

01:10:02   make a garden planet and everybody just [TS]

01:10:06   started and blankly myself included [TS]

01:10:08   because i am a person that believes in [TS]

01:10:12   spaceflight and believes in exploration [TS]

01:10:15   and see and feel like we will not in our [TS]

01:10:18   lifetimes have an answer to any of this [TS]

01:10:19   we will not know for 10,000 years but [TS]

01:10:22   but I can't think of another I can't [TS]

01:10:25   think of a better purpose i even if you [TS]

01:10:27   don't like increasing numbers of in [TS]

01:10:30   testing people seem to say that we're [TS]

01:10:32   gonna have to look beyond our planet you [TS]

01:10:35   know potentially for survival or four [TS]

01:10:37   thriving but you know even if you don't [TS]

01:10:39   necessarily believe that yet it's just [TS]

01:10:41   it's just still that basic idea that [TS]

01:10:43   like this is what we do like in some [TS]

01:10:44   ways there's anything back to this hard [TS]

01:10:46   impossible question why are we here [TS]

01:10:48   well we're here to find out something we [TS]

01:10:50   don't know yet yeah and coated it's [TS]

01:10:53   encoded in US and and if they're if [TS]

01:10:56   there's any proof of anything the fact [TS]

01:10:58   that we keep asking why about everything [TS]

01:11:01   is like is why we're here to keep asking [TS]

01:11:07   why and to go out and ask why and [TS]

01:11:09   further and further places and in larger [TS]

01:11:11   and larger scales at least it seems to [TS]

01:11:14   me and so when you know what I'm talking [TS]

01:11:16   to my kid and she's like well why I'm [TS]

01:11:20   like yes exactly and and I you know and [TS]

01:11:27   what i'll do what i can do is the more [TS]

01:11:29   that you're capable of understanding i [TS]

01:11:31   can break down that the 55 prevailing [TS]

01:11:34   theories and give you that to chew on [TS]

01:11:38   because I because my whole life and the [TS]

01:11:41   and the great pleasure I get out of life [TS]

01:11:42   is in asking why and trying to answer [TS]

01:11:45   why and sitting up at night and you know [TS]

01:11:49   like and chewing on ideas and going like [TS]

01:11:52   but-but-but mm ah you know and what is [TS]

01:11:56   that gave me it doesn't gain me anything [TS]

01:11:59   but it's but it's irreversible in me and [TS]

01:12:04   I hope it is in her i wish it I wish [TS]

01:12:06   that upon her because it's been the [TS]

01:12:08   great joy of my life to to to look at [TS]

01:12:11   everything and asked why and and not ask [TS]

01:12:13   why with any expectation of an answer [TS]

01:12:16   but just the thrill of the next question [TS]

01:12:19   of the next question and now and the [TS]

01:12:20   manned mission to Mars that's a that's [TS]

01:12:23   interesting that's an interesting [TS]

01:12:24   distinction I would want to make too [TS]

01:12:26   fine distinction but like it seems like [TS]

01:12:29   there are people who are asking [TS]

01:12:31   questions because they want to know the [TS]

01:12:33   answer [TS]

01:12:34   some people are no an answer and some [TS]

01:12:36   people just want to know what the next [TS]

01:12:37   interesting question is what the next [TS]

01:12:38   question is that ultimately i think it's [TS]

01:12:40   a question of scale like as you asked [TS]

01:12:42   questions you [TS]

01:12:43   invariably go either up or down in scale [TS]

01:12:46   he's following a threat of questions are [TS]

01:12:49   like well now i need to know more detail [TS]

01:12:50   well now i need to get to the you know [TS]

01:12:52   get to the underlying question or you're [TS]

01:12:55   like now I have the context now I'm [TS]

01:12:56   scaling up and I'm asking how this how [TS]

01:12:59   that that answer that seems pretty [TS]

01:13:03   satisfactory how that works across so a [TS]

01:13:06   big scale and this was the thing that [TS]

01:13:08   happened with Einstein and it happened [TS]

01:13:10   with physics in the 20th century it's [TS]

01:13:12   like okay this is a great theory and it [TS]

01:13:14   works great here now how does it apply [TS]

01:13:16   to gravitation and if it doesn't apply [TS]

01:13:20   to gravitation then it isn't a complete [TS]

01:13:22   theory of physics and that you know [TS]

01:13:26   imagine being Einstein and being like oh [TS]

01:13:28   fuck you know like it works but it isn't [TS]

01:13:32   the it isn't the big why it'sit's you [TS]

01:13:36   know if you had to boil down of all the [TS]

01:13:38   many reasons why it's kind of sad that [TS]

01:13:40   we're not doing the space program one of [TS]

01:13:42   them is that it clearly seems to show [TS]

01:13:44   that you know when we have our reasons [TS]

01:13:47   and expensive it doesn't have a clear [TS]

01:13:50   goal in mind [TS]

01:13:51   you know it velcros great but like we [TS]

01:13:53   don't know what the next thing is gonna [TS]

01:13:54   be time like you'll be so nice to find a [TS]

01:13:56   slush fund just for saying like well [TS]

01:13:58   this is just a thing we need to do it's [TS]

01:14:00   like I said my daughter you know we [TS]

01:14:01   don't we don't have a lot of money will [TS]

01:14:03   always try and find money for books and [TS]

01:14:04   art supplies like those are two things [TS]

01:14:06   where we'll try and find something to [TS]

01:14:08   always get meeting at books and art [TS]

01:14:10   supplies because those you can do [TS]

01:14:11   anything with those you know and with [TS]

01:14:13   the space program it's like who knows [TS]

01:14:15   what we're missing out on you know and [TS]

01:14:17   it doesn't even need to be like you know [TS]

01:14:19   Tang or or velcro but like we don't even [TS]

01:14:22   we have no way to even know we have [TS]

01:14:24   glimpses of what we are as we learn more [TS]

01:14:25   we can see a little bit of what we might [TS]

01:14:27   be missing out on but like it's just [TS]

01:14:29   it's a bummer to know that in our [TS]

01:14:30   lifetime we're probably not going to see [TS]

01:14:32   much progress on that [TS]

01:14:34   well it is a bummer accept that our [TS]

01:14:37   friend Elon Musk is if there's anything [TS]

01:14:43   that it excites me [TS]

01:14:45   a2c privatized any big state operation [TS]

01:14:48   excited to see privatized it is space [TS]

01:14:50   exploration because [TS]

01:14:53   like every other every other thing that [TS]

01:14:55   used to be the the purview of like a [TS]

01:15:01   state structure like a government large [TS]

01:15:03   government structure that has been [TS]

01:15:05   privatized it's invariably a resource [TS]

01:15:08   extraction or an administration issue [TS]

01:15:12   right that we decided that we're going [TS]

01:15:14   to privatize and let the free market [TS]

01:15:17   handle and invariably it just leads to [TS]

01:15:19   what leads to the world we're living in [TS]

01:15:22   now we're fifty percent of the the the [TS]

01:15:24   the wealth of the world is owned by one [TS]

01:15:26   percent of the people but something like [TS]

01:15:28   space travel where these guys are [TS]

01:15:31   privatizing it on their own out of first [TS]

01:15:35   of all just the fact that they're geeks [TS]

01:15:37   and have a boner for space for her and [TS]

01:15:40   like if Ilan must goes up with his his [TS]

01:15:43   dumb bubble plane and discovers that [TS]

01:15:47   there are asteroids made out of solid [TS]

01:15:48   gold [TS]

01:15:49   god bless him but I don't think that's [TS]

01:15:52   why he's doing it and I think that maybe [TS]

01:15:56   we will see tremendous progress in a [TS]

01:15:59   space exploration just because a peak [TS]

01:16:02   was Jeff Bezos is sitting there going [TS]

01:16:05   I'm a bankrupt person and i have no [TS]

01:16:08   there is no reason for me i am i am like [TS]

01:16:13   snail slime we don't like that gap [TS]

01:16:17   compiling worth billions of dollars and [TS]

01:16:20   i'm a nerd [TS]

01:16:22   what should i do build rockets if it's [TS]

01:16:24   the ultimate penis bigger than a [TS]

01:16:26   spaceship [TS]

01:16:27   I'm sorry bigger than a skyscraper you [TS]

01:16:29   can build a flying penis you can build a [TS]

01:16:31   boner to the Stars a boner to the stars [TS]

01:16:34   you can literally fuck the sky if you [TS]

01:16:37   have enough billions of dollars and [TS]

01:16:39   that's what these guys want they are [TS]

01:16:40   they I mean that's what skyscrapers are [TS]

01:16:42   right there like rich guys trying to [TS]

01:16:43   fuck the sky but you can you can build [TS]

01:16:46   up a penis that flies and that i'm going [TS]

01:16:51   to talk about answering the question why [TS]

01:16:52   the answer is flying penis [TS]

01:16:56   it's right there and that's good [TS]