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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 150: "Dog Beatles"

 

00:00:00   this episode of Roderick online is [TS]

00:00:01   sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04   month they asked kirby krackle to help [TS]

00:00:06   me say hi to john rogers online i love [TS]

00:00:10   line project online talk John [TS]

00:00:13   [Music] [TS]

00:00:19   hello hi John hello Merlin how's it [TS]

00:00:22   going [TS]

00:00:23   Oh super good super good today is a [TS]

00:00:28   momentous day it's thomas jefferson's [TS]

00:00:30   birthday [TS]

00:00:30   oh I did not know that I'm gonna write [TS]

00:00:32   that down mr thomas jefferson some it's [TS]

00:00:38   also our sesquicentennial episode what [TS]

00:00:41   which is a great word I wish everybody [TS]

00:00:43   would learn use we are seriously [TS]

00:00:47   150 150 years ago we wow what forth on [TS]

00:00:52   this proposition [TS]

00:00:53   yeah I knew my public a new empire wore [TS]

00:00:58   their heroes on both sides [TS]

00:01:00   ah my daughter have you watched that the [TS]

00:01:03   other night is brutal not there are a [TS]

00:01:05   lot of things daughters are brutal [TS]

00:01:07   oh my god we should so talk about that [TS]

00:01:09   so setting star wars the site [TS]

00:01:10   congratulations on your sesquicentennial [TS]

00:01:12   episode Thank You Merlin congratulations [TS]

00:01:14   to you my name is John centennial it's [TS]

00:01:17   censored honor just to be nominated and [TS]

00:01:19   share that with thomas jefferson my [TS]

00:01:21   goodness knows i wasn't present at some [TS]

00:01:23   point a hundred and fifty years ago 10 [TS]

00:01:25   years ago exactly on this date [TS]

00:01:28   Thomas Jefferson became president right [TS]

00:01:30   yeah and he was responsible for the [TS]

00:01:33   Northwest Passage huh which was an [TS]

00:01:36   amazing a which was an amazing sort of [TS]

00:01:39   contemporary it a top-40 band in the [TS]

00:01:41   seventies that used to play at stewart [TS]

00:01:43   Anderson's cattle company wasn't too [TS]

00:01:45   much later they came out with Johnson's [TS]

00:01:46   wax that's right so anyway there you go [TS]

00:01:49   little history lesson for our listeners [TS]

00:01:51   today [TS]

00:01:51   oh my God we're helping so many people [TS]

00:01:53   already 150 whoever thought you know [TS]

00:01:56   what is when you when we started this [TS]

00:01:58   did you think we would get 250 episodes [TS]

00:02:01   John I don't think we'd get one what did [TS]

00:02:02   you think that there would be people out [TS]

00:02:05   there who had listened to all hundred [TS]

00:02:07   and fifty episodes multiple time I think [TS]

00:02:09   that comes out to about 1500 hours of [TS]

00:02:11   listening time not including the ones [TS]

00:02:13   that we have not released so you know [TS]

00:02:15   what they say 1500 hours is what it [TS]

00:02:17   takes to become an expert turns out you [TS]

00:02:20   know you know Paul McCartney was the [TS]

00:02:22   president for 450 years right [TS]

00:02:24   yep he was that he was that he was the [TS]

00:02:26   king of hamburg in atl him the kingship [TS]

00:02:28   of hamburg and he said Oh II know but [TS]

00:02:32   i'll be your press [TS]

00:02:32   in it uh-huh and they took some speed [TS]

00:02:35   and Susie looks like we've had like a [TS]

00:02:36   brain hemorrhage [TS]

00:02:37   Oh Sutcliffe sex with the 44th president [TS]

00:02:40   the party was present with my favorite [TS]

00:02:42   cartoon is right take on the number line [TS]

00:02:48   hmmm imagine the the Paul didn't used to [TS]

00:02:51   be the most handsome guy in the beatles [TS]

00:02:53   well you know depends on what you think [TS]

00:02:56   is handsome yes it's a matter of taste [TS]

00:02:58   John so Stu Sutcliffe was very handsome [TS]

00:03:02   in a kind of James Dean anyway which is [TS]

00:03:05   I think very much what they aspire to us [TS]

00:03:08   to think they all kind of look like [TS]

00:03:09   Fonzie a little bit yep cool dudes James [TS]

00:03:11   D dudes but Paul had that like kewpie [TS]

00:03:14   doll face that if you look at young Paul [TS]

00:03:18   if you look at middle Paul he's just [TS]

00:03:21   he's just so beautiful all that shit you [TS]

00:03:23   got alopecia you know he's like he's [TS]

00:03:26   like a sweet hairless dog a sweet little [TS]

00:03:29   hairless dog but you know I don't think [TS]

00:03:31   of shoes as being black and I think of [TS]

00:03:33   Paul as being like he's a Blackford [TS]

00:03:36   creature [TS]

00:03:38   oh maybe it's kind of like a rescue dog [TS]

00:03:40   yeah he is a shaved up but like mushy [TS]

00:03:44   face dog but i think he would have black [TS]

00:03:47   fur and and and like you know creamy [TS]

00:03:50   skin okay i think yeah well let's not [TS]

00:03:53   work to ping pong I think he looks a [TS]

00:03:54   little bit like a Chinese dog John looks [TS]

00:03:57   much more like it lives in northern [TS]

00:03:59   European kind of duck or maybe he could [TS]

00:04:00   be an Afghan i think john is an Afghan i [TS]

00:04:04   think you're right i think he's a sleek [TS]

00:04:05   a sleek and sort of aloof oh my god John [TS]

00:04:09   we're gonna be so rich but and then and [TS]

00:04:12   not dog Beatles and then so so George [TS]

00:04:16   you're just kind of a sort of a terrier [TS]

00:04:18   like a oh that's good mmm he's a digger [TS]

00:04:23   he's a little bit of a digger that's [TS]

00:04:24   right maybe not a rather but like [TS]

00:04:26   definitely somebody that's that it goes [TS]

00:04:28   down a hole right buddy studies what [TS]

00:04:30   this does is surprisingly not yeah happy [TS]

00:04:32   as a terrier no quiet he's a quiet [TS]

00:04:35   thoughtful terrier [TS]

00:04:36   he's uh he said he's going down the hole [TS]

00:04:39   but he's not looking for rats or Badgers [TS]

00:04:41   he's looking for [TS]

00:04:42   or samsara so he's alarmed he's a llama [TS]

00:04:46   terrier [TS]

00:04:46   ok alright i'll buy that and finally [TS]

00:04:49   Ringo maybe see the thing is we want to [TS]

00:04:54   make him look different enough so we [TS]

00:04:56   have to cooperate the nose sorry [TS]

00:04:58   english bulldog no that's that's good he [TS]

00:05:02   has to have he has to have a droopy dog [TS]

00:05:04   but maybe he's a basset hound running [TS]

00:05:07   out for the large nose ah basset hounds [TS]

00:05:11   use their noses [TS]

00:05:12   that's true and then came the great beat [TS]

00:05:15   i would say i would say Ringo is a [TS]

00:05:16   basset hound [TS]

00:05:17   okay we're gonna make so much money from [TS]

00:05:20   this I feel like we've done a lot of [TS]

00:05:23   work already today and we're just a few [TS]

00:05:25   minutes in here I'm learning a lot about [TS]

00:05:28   the entertainment business and the more [TS]

00:05:30   that I learned about the more [TS]

00:05:31   complicated i realize it [TS]

00:05:33   that is because as I think we discussed [TS]

00:05:35   a little bit in the past like nobody [TS]

00:05:36   nobody wakes up then they want to be a [TS]

00:05:38   publisher everybody wants to be a writer [TS]

00:05:39   you don't realize you've also got yet [TS]

00:05:41   editors and publishers you got marketing [TS]

00:05:43   right i think there's a role for us in [TS]

00:05:45   doing very little real work with other [TS]

00:05:47   people's intellectual property [TS]

00:05:48   hmm you know what connections John [TS]

00:05:51   you're very well-connected what would [TS]

00:05:53   the job description be I think we'd be [TS]

00:05:55   executive producers like Stanley Thank [TS]

00:05:57   You executive producer i've been i've [TS]

00:05:59   been wanting that battle for a long time [TS]

00:06:01   it's a it's a pretty great gig in LA I [TS]

00:06:05   think it is a kind of an official thing [TS]

00:06:07   that everything Marvel puts out Stanley [TS]

00:06:09   is an executive producer [TS]

00:06:10   executive-produce my burrito yesterday [TS]

00:06:12   mmm i feel i feel like you I would I [TS]

00:06:15   want to be one of those executive [TS]

00:06:16   producers that shows up to every fifth [TS]

00:06:18   recording session falls asleep on the [TS]

00:06:21   couch wearing sunglasses it's is what [TS]

00:06:24   see this is the rick rubin model of [TS]

00:06:26   producing out already okay you got [TS]

00:06:28   sunglasses on your land down on the [TS]

00:06:30   couch nobody can tell whether you're [TS]

00:06:31   asleep or not and then every once in [TS]

00:06:34   awhile you raise your head up a little [TS]

00:06:36   bit and you make some kind of like you [TS]

00:06:38   make a gesture with one hand and say [TS]

00:06:39   like more cowbell or whatever cutout [TS]

00:06:42   kind of the mids and then that's not [TS]

00:06:44   even he doesn't that's not an executive [TS]

00:06:45   producer he actually gets the producer [TS]

00:06:47   called the producer tells the engineer [TS]

00:06:49   to cut the minutes [TS]

00:06:49   that's right cut the mids you can you [TS]

00:06:52   know what can you not 4k just not for [TS]

00:06:54   Kayla [TS]

00:06:54   you want a little bit of Roloffs on the [TS]

00:06:56   bandwidth that's right you want to roll [TS]

00:06:58   the bandwidth i totally agree and I [TS]

00:06:59   think this is why it's extra super [TS]

00:07:01   confusing because executive producer see [TS]

00:07:03   I don't know this for sure but my [TS]

00:07:04   understanding of it historically at [TS]

00:07:06   least with movies was that there [TS]

00:07:08   the director is the head of the creative [TS]

00:07:11   team will really you know of the making [TS]

00:07:13   of the film but of the creative aspects [TS]

00:07:14   of putting a movie together the [TS]

00:07:15   technical aspects and the producer is [TS]

00:07:18   more of the logistical and if you like [TS]

00:07:20   money person right and then the [TS]

00:07:22   executive producer is the brother of the [TS]

00:07:25   guy who gave the most amount of money to [TS]

00:07:28   the movie [TS]

00:07:28   okay i think that i think that makes [TS]

00:07:30   sense i think but executive producer I [TS]

00:07:31   think can mean you're Steven Spielberg [TS]

00:07:34   and you put up a bunch of dough all [TS]

00:07:35   right or i can mean you're Stanley into [TS]

00:07:38   some good stuff in the early sixties [TS]

00:07:39   right that's true or your Suge Knight [TS]

00:07:42   and you have a pistol in your sock [TS]

00:07:44   yeah you know they put in a wheelchair [TS]

00:07:45   he's pretty mad about that that should [TS]

00:07:47   not be there in a wheelchair they they [TS]

00:07:49   put in there or he is on trial right now [TS]

00:07:51   I think he's on trial yeah yeah he's [TS]

00:07:53   very frustrated he had a fit some kind [TS]

00:07:55   of fit in the courtroom and then they [TS]

00:07:56   made him sit in a wheelchair [TS]

00:07:57   it was a it he he portrayed as an [TS]

00:08:00   involuntary fit [TS]

00:08:02   um i already had some kind of had some [TS]

00:08:05   kind of a can with my grandmother call [TS]

00:08:07   connection [TS]

00:08:08   yeah you got a connection like a like a [TS]

00:08:10   little bit of a seizure type situation i [TS]

00:08:12   don't know i'm not a not a journalist [TS]

00:08:14   you're not a doctor I'm not a physician [TS]

00:08:15   as you know but I felt bad for the guy [TS]

00:08:17   you know you feel now you're you're [TS]

00:08:19   going on record here on our podcast as [TS]

00:08:21   feeling bad for shook night I don't know [TS]

00:08:23   much that he didn't didn't he supposedly [TS]

00:08:25   killed a rapper was at him [TS]

00:08:27   uh she was supposedly killed Tupac [TS]

00:08:29   saying that right Tupac he was in the [TS]

00:08:32   car with two park [TS]

00:08:33   oh but also he was the one that dangled [TS]

00:08:37   a vanilla ice out the window of off a [TS]

00:08:40   hotel balcony dangled him by his ankles [TS]

00:08:43   Wow got a lot of upper body strength [TS]

00:08:45   well he's a big man [TS]

00:08:46   yeah a huge suit and yeah he does a lot [TS]

00:08:51   of terrible things is a easy easy [TS]

00:08:53   generally I think universally understood [TS]

00:08:55   to be a bad man who created a lot of [TS]

00:08:59   havoc but also built an empire and then [TS]

00:09:02   lost it sort of the Al Capone of the [TS]

00:09:04   Southern California [TS]

00:09:07   music that's a good way to put it yeah [TS]

00:09:09   well I mean unless we are compelled to [TS]

00:09:11   four reasons industry reasons or [TS]

00:09:14   violence but we would not have him on [TS]

00:09:15   our people's dogs project [TS]

00:09:17   no I don't think so and you know over [TS]

00:09:18   the years I have been he's one of those [TS]

00:09:22   people where i will i'll right al let's [TS]

00:09:24   say for instance a humorous tweet i will [TS]

00:09:26   write a humorous tweet that features a [TS]

00:09:29   Suge Knight in some component and then [TS]

00:09:34   right before i post it a little voice [TS]

00:09:37   little bell rings in the back of my head [TS]

00:09:39   and little voice goes are you sure you [TS]

00:09:42   want to get on the wrong side of Suge [TS]

00:09:44   Knight and then I always post it [TS]

00:09:46   uh-huh because I say silence Bell you do [TS]

00:09:50   not you I'm not afraid of some person [TS]

00:09:52   who is a long way away from me who [TS]

00:09:54   doesn't care about me but there is that [TS]

00:09:56   little moment where I'm like he's [TS]

00:09:58   exactly the type of guy that would get [TS]

00:10:00   mad about it sweet and then drive all [TS]

00:10:02   night and come you know burn down my [TS]

00:10:05   house or something [TS]

00:10:05   I know I well I am but this tells you [TS]

00:10:08   how times are changin four years I had a [TS]

00:10:11   lot of really good material on [TS]

00:10:13   Scientology oh I wouldn't release [TS]

00:10:16   because I I know with all those guys [TS]

00:10:17   roll you were afraid that they were [TS]

00:10:19   going to meeting you and shit movie you [TS]

00:10:22   know I I like a lot of popular culture [TS]

00:10:25   as it was being broadcast i followed [TS]

00:10:28   along on Twitter as everyone talked [TS]

00:10:30   about it but I did not see it [TS]

00:10:32   well if any of a lot of spare time right [TS]

00:10:34   now i would suggest reading the book the [TS]

00:10:35   book is very very good and it just shows [TS]

00:10:38   you like how scary these guys are [TS]

00:10:40   Hodgman went through a phase where he [TS]

00:10:42   was very interested in Scientology and [TS]

00:10:44   acquired all these secrets videotapes [TS]

00:10:47   yeah they're amazing and and then he [TS]

00:10:49   made us all sit down one a couple of [TS]

00:10:51   nights i was going to say one night but [TS]

00:10:53   actually it was more than one night we [TS]

00:10:55   all sat down at his house in Maine and [TS]

00:10:58   watch Scientology videos into the middle [TS]

00:11:01   of the night and their long they're very [TS]

00:11:03   long there are none that are not long i [TS]

00:11:05   could never quite be SH I for myself I [TS]

00:11:09   was never quite certain that if this [TS]

00:11:12   wasn't an elaborate hoax it's those [TS]

00:11:14   things were actually real am I couldn't [TS]

00:11:17   quite ever like small out [TS]

00:11:20   I I got ahold of one uh I don't know [TS]

00:11:23   maybe 10 years ago that was going around [TS]

00:11:25   and it's one that i think it's it's the [TS]

00:11:28   kind of thing that featured in the movie [TS]

00:11:29   it's an event a very very large event [TS]

00:11:32   that i will describe as a combination of [TS]

00:11:35   the oscar awards and triumph of the will [TS]

00:11:38   uh haha because there's already quite a [TS]

00:11:42   lot of crossover between those events [TS]

00:11:43   but instead of neil patrick harris is [TS]

00:11:45   that creepy little guy what's-his-name [TS]

00:11:47   David Miscavige and miss miscarriage Oh [TS]

00:11:51   think burn bright blue you're gonna be [TS]

00:11:55   scrubbing toilets in the trailer soon [TS]

00:11:57   but you're not so now tell me you talked [TS]

00:11:59   about this being ten years ago is this [TS]

00:12:01   some kind of trick search to church of [TS]

00:12:03   the SubGenius thing where where people [TS]

00:12:05   were trading these tapes around and oh [TS]

00:12:07   dear I you know I got to be honest with [TS]

00:12:09   you yes kind of [TS]

00:12:10   because you know it's kind of been [TS]

00:12:11   internet thing for a while to to be [TS]

00:12:14   interested in what's up with Scientology [TS]

00:12:15   and critical of it and a what's weird [TS]

00:12:20   about it though is that even just [TS]

00:12:22   reading about it and even just watching [TS]

00:12:25   these videos you have to get this kind [TS]

00:12:27   of second-order cult feeling like I [TS]

00:12:30   found myself getting a little obsessed [TS]

00:12:31   with it even when I just read about it [TS]

00:12:33   for a little while [TS]

00:12:34   there's so much jargon I've spent an [TS]

00:12:36   hour and a half just reading glossary of [TS]

00:12:38   Scientology terms i don't mean to [TS]

00:12:41   interrupt with with a with like some [TS]

00:12:45   kind of this breaking news John I don't [TS]

00:12:48   want to interrupt like it like a German [TS]

00:12:49   fairy tale here now please [TS]

00:12:51   but there was a fly that was pestering [TS]

00:12:53   me mmm and while you were just talking [TS]

00:12:56   I got up with my i took my shoe off and [TS]

00:13:00   I was chasing the fly around the room [TS]

00:13:01   not chasing I was patiently stalking the [TS]

00:13:04   fly and fly landed in a in a place where [TS]

00:13:09   he thought he was safe [TS]

00:13:10   uh-huh and i dispatched the fly [TS]

00:13:14   I did not kill seven with one blow I [TS]

00:13:16   killed one with one blow but I feel [TS]

00:13:19   pretty good about it and that and and I [TS]

00:13:21   and you have my full attention i was [TS]

00:13:22   listening to the to the Scientology [TS]

00:13:24   thing but I also secondly you have the [TS]

00:13:28   ability to hear complex information on [TS]

00:13:31   study tech from me [TS]

00:13:33   even as you are going into action [TS]

00:13:36   literally taking care of a problem in [TS]

00:13:38   real time [TS]

00:13:38   that's right this is exactly what the [TS]

00:13:40   people Seattle need John i was i was [TS]

00:13:43   performing the roles both of Secretary [TS]

00:13:46   of State and seal team six [TS]

00:13:48   simultaneously oh my god there's another [TS]

00:13:52   flying here I thought I don't know all [TS]

00:13:54   i'm so mad right now I pull you know [TS]

00:13:58   what I heard I heard you shouldn't kill [TS]

00:13:59   it be because the smell of a dead bee [TS]

00:14:02   attracts bees have you ever heard that [TS]

00:14:04   have you ever driven across America in a [TS]

00:14:07   van in the summertime [TS]

00:14:08   oh well what happens is some parts of [TS]

00:14:11   America you will you'll kill a lot of [TS]

00:14:14   bugs [TS]

00:14:15   oh yeah like the love bugs in Florida I [TS]

00:14:17   kind of thing well and like in the [TS]

00:14:18   Midwest they're just sometimes when [TS]

00:14:20   you're just all of a sudden you are [TS]

00:14:21   going through a terrain of very large [TS]

00:14:26   bugs and you are killing these bugs with [TS]

00:14:30   the with the front of your van until it [TS]

00:14:34   is truly an end crustacean uh-huh of [TS]

00:14:39   dead bugs and then you'll you'll stop [TS]

00:14:41   and go into a restaurant or something [TS]

00:14:43   and when you come out your van is still [TS]

00:14:47   covered with gross dead bugs but then [TS]

00:14:50   another layer of bees God which for [TS]

00:14:54   whatever reason a reason right [TS]

00:14:55   I've never researched I don't understand [TS]

00:14:57   but the bees seem like carnivorous or [TS]

00:15:01   something the bees are swarming the dead [TS]

00:15:05   bugs maybe they may be dead bugs make a [TS]

00:15:06   flower smell em I'm but there must be [TS]

00:15:09   something that like sent wise attracts [TS]

00:15:11   them they will have to go check it out [TS]

00:15:12   or maybe they're wasps and not bees [TS]

00:15:14   maybe that's wasp playing Yellow Jacket [TS]

00:15:16   kind of here like eating but the the [TS]

00:15:18   dead bugs but in any case like come out [TS]

00:15:21   but it's very hot day I'm trying to come [TS]

00:15:23   try to paint a picture of here for you [TS]

00:15:25   very hot day somewhere in the Midwest [TS]

00:15:26   it's 95 degrees you and the band have [TS]

00:15:29   just had a couple of chicken fried [TS]

00:15:30   steaks and milkshakes and now you're [TS]

00:15:33   getting back in the band you got to get [TS]

00:15:35   to iowa city for the big show and you [TS]

00:15:37   come out and the your the front of your [TS]

00:15:40   the front of your band looks like a [TS]

00:15:43   looks like a panko encrusted check [TS]

00:15:46   can breasts covered with bees [TS]

00:15:51   that's so gross it's terrible comment if [TS]

00:15:54   you don't if you're not careful getting [TS]

00:15:55   into the car right you then the bees [TS]

00:15:58   will get in the car and then you're [TS]

00:15:59   driving across the country with like [TS]

00:16:00   well you whatever Yellowjackets not [TS]

00:16:03   that's not good you don't want that [TS]

00:16:04   No so yes I know all about that and I [TS]

00:16:06   don't like it even count the love bugs [TS]

00:16:09   you know what I said the Giants they're [TS]

00:16:12   like giant the flying cockroaches [TS]

00:16:14   no now now where i lived in West Central [TS]

00:16:18   Florida Suncoast i want to say maybe in [TS]

00:16:22   springtime there's a look this up but [TS]

00:16:25   there's some kind of species of insects [TS]

00:16:28   that are maybe about the size of a fly [TS]

00:16:30   and there they go into a meeting and [TS]

00:16:33   their mating is they have intercourse [TS]

00:16:35   and and fly usually over a road and your [TS]

00:16:39   car is just covered with splattered [TS]

00:16:43   intercourse coitus bugs [TS]

00:16:45   what a way to go though right am i right [TS]

00:16:47   they said I'm going to tell me up here [TS]

00:16:49   they get you get special screen to put [TS]

00:16:51   over your grill [TS]

00:16:52   yeah yeah I mean you know there's I used [TS]

00:16:55   to wonder is there anywhere in America [TS]

00:16:56   that you can live that you don't have to [TS]

00:16:58   have things like bugs or tornadoes [TS]

00:16:59   earthquakes and I don't think there's [TS]

00:17:01   anywhere you would know you travel a lot [TS]

00:17:03   more than I have [TS]

00:17:04   are there places you can go there are [TS]

00:17:06   free of annoyance well so Alaska has no [TS]

00:17:09   snakes and it has very few like [TS]

00:17:14   creepy-crawly poisonous bugs but it has [TS]

00:17:19   mosquitoes in a you know it prolific 'it [TS]

00:17:22   mosquitoes any in the winter as well [TS]

00:17:25   no no it but in the winter it has cold [TS]

00:17:28   yeah [TS]

00:17:29   Seattle has a nice mix of spiders [TS]

00:17:33   spiders rate we have fucking spiders [TS]

00:17:35   that's right so spicy apple has very few [TS]

00:17:37   venomous things very few like the [TS]

00:17:40   cockroaches that are here very small [TS]

00:17:42   there's no like just in our eps just a [TS]

00:17:45   lot of A&R reps and then massive massive [TS]

00:17:49   spiders all through the fall of summer [TS]

00:17:52   and fall you know California that goes [TS]

00:17:56   without saying [TS]

00:17:57   has every kind of pestilence [TS]

00:17:59   I think Florida my twin if you take [TS]

00:18:02   everything that Florida's got they got [TS]

00:18:04   they got all kinds of snakes they got [TS]

00:18:05   brown recluse spiders oh there are many [TS]

00:18:08   varieties of cockroaches they have kind [TS]

00:18:09   of have those annoying New York [TS]

00:18:11   cockroaches but mostly they have a [TS]

00:18:12   week's call palmetto bugs or water bugs [TS]

00:18:14   was once the ones that are like you know [TS]

00:18:16   excited baby's fist ya wanna hear you [TS]

00:18:19   could hear water book you can we don't [TS]

00:18:22   have money we don't have roaches we have [TS]

00:18:23   water bugs i could maybe every kind of [TS]

00:18:25   bug but again bugs camping and plus then [TS]

00:18:31   you you do have tornadoes and you got [TS]

00:18:33   hurricanes and you've got just the [TS]

00:18:34   culture of Florida which is its own kind [TS]

00:18:36   of creepy crawly right all plus [TS]

00:18:37   alligators [TS]

00:18:38   oh and you know what they just show up [TS]

00:18:40   they just show up in neighborhoods any [TS]

00:18:41   dogs that's fact that is a thing so [TS]

00:18:45   every time I'm in Florida which is which [TS]

00:18:47   is a surprising amount of time [TS]

00:18:48   considering how long i went in this life [TS]

00:18:51   without ever going to Florida [TS]

00:18:52   uh-huh then I turned a corner and then [TS]

00:18:54   suddenly I was in Florida all the time [TS]

00:18:56   i'm always thinking that there is going [TS]

00:19:00   to be an alligator [TS]

00:19:02   I've never seen an alligator on the hoof [TS]

00:19:05   and yet I'm there all the time and I [TS]

00:19:07   walk around all the time in parks and at [TS]

00:19:09   night and stuff and I'm like what [TS]

00:19:10   you know I'm afraid that there's an [TS]

00:19:12   alligator is going to come out of the [TS]

00:19:13   bushes and I don't even know if they [TS]

00:19:15   live in bushes but I'm but I'm worried [TS]

00:19:18   about huh other there i was moving along [TS]

00:19:21   one time and I saw one they come out of [TS]

00:19:23   those you know they make this [TS]

00:19:23   quote-unquote lakes [TS]

00:19:25   oh yeah record with it's really just [TS]

00:19:27   like for runoff from the roads or it so [TS]

00:19:29   I i noticed from the air you look down [TS]

00:19:30   and you're like there's not that that is [TS]

00:19:32   a man-made lake there's no reason for it [TS]

00:19:34   except that then they can call that [TS]

00:19:36   waterfront property instead of right as [TS]

00:19:38   you know in Florida every development is [TS]

00:19:40   named after whatever was destroyed to [TS]

00:19:42   make it so if you've got Indian Deer [TS]

00:19:45   Lake uh-huh [TS]

00:19:46   no more Indians nowhere gears marcus and [TS]

00:19:51   and you know the the perfectly it's [TS]

00:19:53   almost like you know like you get the [TS]

00:19:54   kind of like California swimming pools [TS]

00:19:56   that have like a very regular irregular [TS]

00:19:58   shape that those Lakes look like and [TS]

00:20:01   that's what the streets look like from [TS]

00:20:02   the air it's it's it's really peculiar [TS]

00:20:04   but now i remember i mean we have [TS]

00:20:05   canonical family stories about this one [TS]

00:20:07   day walking out of a beauty salon maybe [TS]

00:20:08   1970 my mom there's a like an alligator [TS]

00:20:10   by our car [TS]

00:20:11   the digits to just show up and what do [TS]

00:20:15   you do when there's an alligator by your [TS]

00:20:16   car [TS]

00:20:17   well try to move away and if you have to [TS]

00:20:19   run zigzag because they can run 40 miles [TS]

00:20:21   an hour [TS]

00:20:22   did you know that most people think most [TS]

00:20:26   people think you know shortest point I'm [TS]

00:20:27   gonna run in a straight line not good [TS]

00:20:29   those little feet that thing up to 40 [TS]

00:20:32   miles an hour [TS]

00:20:33   look how that's fast with it what ya and [TS]

00:20:37   drag you down to their meat locker and [TS]

00:20:38   flipping around where you know we we [TS]

00:20:41   were were plagued for a while by moose [TS]

00:20:43   in our front yard and my mom would go [TS]

00:20:47   out because the thing is they would come [TS]

00:20:49   in the winter and eat all of her trees [TS]

00:20:51   in the missus mrs. eat tree [TS]

00:20:55   yeah they do they like to eat some they [TS]

00:20:58   like to eat portions of of young trees [TS]

00:21:02   that you know they're they're always [TS]

00:21:06   grazing grazing grazing grazing and so [TS]

00:21:08   sometimes we would look out the window [TS]

00:21:10   and there would be one big bull moose [TS]

00:21:12   and nine different cows and Cal all in [TS]

00:21:17   our front yard sound so cute i thought [TS]

00:21:20   so but my mom would get very upset [TS]

00:21:23   because they were eating her little [TS]

00:21:26   Japanese maples or whatever she decided [TS]

00:21:28   to plant the year before and so I have a [TS]

00:21:31   couple of very strong images burned into [TS]

00:21:35   my mind of my mom in a house coat with a [TS]

00:21:39   broom running out the front door and and [TS]

00:21:43   swatting the Moose she confronted the [TS]

00:21:47   mousse with the brown yeah and she [TS]

00:21:49   struck the moose [TS]

00:21:50   well no Swiss walking at them swell [TS]

00:21:53   pushing at them like a like a like a [TS]

00:21:55   scoot scoot motion right well what kind [TS]

00:21:58   of sweeten their moves are like a [TS]

00:22:01   particularly the bowls like 70 feet also [TS]

00:22:04   meet all the shoulder and let me tell [TS]

00:22:07   you there is no thing more hilarious [TS]

00:22:09   than the look of complete blase on the [TS]

00:22:16   face of a moose when confronted by a [TS]

00:22:19   woman in a housecoat like they would [TS]

00:22:23   stand there [TS]

00:22:24   just slowly chewing her trees down to [TS]

00:22:26   the nub completely unfazed and she would [TS]

00:22:30   be going scat scat and swishing this [TS]

00:22:33   broom at them and they would this they [TS]

00:22:35   would look over their shoulder it would [TS]

00:22:36   take them a full minute just to turn [TS]

00:22:38   their head they were so bored [TS]

00:22:40   oh ok that was driven your mom nuts over [TS]

00:22:43   even crazier and i'm standing on the [TS]

00:22:45   front porch you know completely just [TS]

00:22:47   doubled over in laughter and really [TS]

00:22:50   unwilling to join the fight right she's [TS]

00:22:52   like she's like get this broom come help [TS]

00:22:54   me and I'm like I refuse [TS]

00:22:56   I think every guy i think that every [TS]

00:22:59   summer we should plant trees and and [TS]

00:23:02   nurture them all summer long just as [TS]

00:23:04   most food just to recreate this this [TS]

00:23:08   drama every winter it was truly a [TS]

00:23:12   wonderful thing to behold but i imagine [TS]

00:23:14   if you came out of your house and there [TS]

00:23:16   was a alligator in your front yard even [TS]

00:23:18   your Japanese maple you would be less [TS]

00:23:22   inclined to try sweeping away [TS]

00:23:24   here's the thing i lived in Florida for [TS]

00:23:26   a really long time and i have over the [TS]

00:23:29   years as you know John I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:30   grow as a person and so I don't want to [TS]

00:23:32   just beat up on florida it's just go [TS]

00:23:35   forward uh gives us so much to beat it [TS]

00:23:38   up about your doesn't seem to mind [TS]

00:23:40   you're very careful to always refer to [TS]

00:23:42   your part of florida as the suncoast [TS]

00:23:44   which is I think very generous of you [TS]

00:23:46   who you know that's like the sign that [TS]

00:23:48   they put up on the interstate highway [TS]

00:23:50   announcing like you're now in during the [TS]

00:23:52   suncoast and you're always good about [TS]

00:23:54   that branding I think Florida as your [TS]

00:23:57   denigrated thank you [TS]

00:24:01   I you know I want to be I want to have I [TS]

00:24:03   want to provide a rounded view but I [TS]

00:24:04   mean here's one thing I think this was [TS]

00:24:09   an office for pasco county writ large i [TS]

00:24:10   think it was for new port richey in [TS]

00:24:12   particular which is where i went to [TS]

00:24:14   junior high school and you know how [TS]

00:24:16   every every city has like a slogan and [TS]

00:24:20   you know you see that on the cop cars [TS]

00:24:21   you see it on the official signs and [TS]

00:24:23   stuff like that and you don't really [TS]

00:24:24   notice it until you notice it [TS]

00:24:26   do you know what new port richey is [TS]

00:24:28   slogan is a gateway to recreation [TS]

00:24:32   mm-hmm at first at first that sounds [TS]

00:24:34   really good but you realize the gateway [TS]

00:24:36   to recreation [TS]

00:24:37   it's sort of like you know what there's [TS]

00:24:42   not a lot here but once you pass through [TS]

00:24:44   here you'll be might find something [TS]

00:24:46   that's just right over the next rise but [TS]

00:24:48   there are no rises in florida now now [TS]

00:24:51   its permit flat [TS]

00:24:52   have we have we talked about mega [TS]

00:24:54   tsunamis I don't think so now i I'm I'm [TS]

00:24:58   pretty freaked out about a tsunami [TS]

00:24:59   tsunami is kind of like a not a perfect [TS]

00:25:02   storm that's too clich├ęd but a tsunami [TS]

00:25:04   is kind of like multiple problematic [TS]

00:25:08   weather events all wrapped in one right [TS]

00:25:09   it isn't it isn't like just you get [TS]

00:25:11   hurricane in a hurricane plus an [TS]

00:25:12   earthquake right uh well let's see i [TS]

00:25:15   mean you could have a mega tsunami that [TS]

00:25:17   was generated by an earthquake far far [TS]

00:25:19   away so you didn't actually come from [TS]

00:25:21   earthquakes to yes she's just so if [TS]

00:25:24   there's an earthquake 100 in japan it [TS]

00:25:26   could create a wave so large it's like [TS]

00:25:29   my daughter sloshing around in the tub [TS]

00:25:31   and making super waves [TS]

00:25:32   that's right you get the cycles right [TS]

00:25:34   right you do you go a little bit with [TS]

00:25:35   the water and you start going to get the [TS]

00:25:37   water then you go with the water again [TS]

00:25:38   it's all over the floor and I gotta [TS]

00:25:39   clean it up [TS]

00:25:40   that's exactly what would happen with [TS]

00:25:42   the ocean and your you know your [TS]

00:25:43   location there your undisclosed location [TS]

00:25:46   there somewhere on the California coast [TS]

00:25:47   is no it's fine of up he'll have to be a [TS]

00:25:50   big tsunami but mega tsunami our place [TS]

00:25:56   with good thinking about pancaking oh [TS]

00:25:58   yeah right because here just built on [TS]

00:26:00   front while on well you were built as [TS]

00:26:03   part of san francisco this is not [TS]

00:26:04   interesting but probably big part of the [TS]

00:26:06   whole giant western part of san [TS]

00:26:07   francisco nobody's ever been to where I [TS]

00:26:08   live is just sand dunes [TS]

00:26:10   yeah there's any place you don't you [TS]

00:26:11   like the marina is built on wrecked [TS]

00:26:13   ships [TS]

00:26:13   well that's true in seattle to there was [TS]

00:26:16   a big part or were all the sports [TS]

00:26:18   stadiums are here [TS]

00:26:19   yeah was originally just where we put [TS]

00:26:21   our poop right and then later auto [TS]

00:26:24   dealerships and then dealer then write [TS]

00:26:26   the auto dealerships came in and then [TS]

00:26:27   there was I think there was a [TS]

00:26:28   Hooverville there for awhile and little [TS]

00:26:31   by little we just threw all of our [TS]

00:26:33   broken furniture and dead horses into [TS]

00:26:36   the mud pond and pretty soon it was like [TS]

00:26:40   you know what would look good there is a [TS]

00:26:41   baseball stadium so I think that's part [TS]

00:26:45   of the evolution of every city [TS]

00:26:47   yeah just have a you have a poop hole [TS]

00:26:48   grow some dead horses in it and then [TS]

00:26:50   build a baseball [TS]

00:26:51   Stadium autumn malls are good canary in [TS]

00:26:53   the coal mine though it's always [TS]

00:26:54   interesting how they're all in the same [TS]

00:26:56   place you know that [TS]

00:26:58   yeah because people when they're [TS]

00:26:59   shopping for cars they just want to [TS]

00:27:01   drive down one lone research I think [TS]

00:27:03   it's kind of like a Disney World type [TS]

00:27:05   situation where you know history disney [TS]

00:27:07   world now get your way off topic but [TS]

00:27:09   disney world you know they went in and [TS]

00:27:11   the most of the reedy creek development [TS]

00:27:13   group i think it was called based on [TS]

00:27:15   this nominal little creek there but they [TS]

00:27:17   went in the Disney Corporation went in [TS]

00:27:19   under all these different like shadow [TS]

00:27:20   organization all companies that's how [TS]

00:27:23   they were able to get so much land for [TS]

00:27:24   so cheap right because i think we oughta [TS]

00:27:27   malls work like that too they just go [TS]

00:27:28   where nobody else wants to go right [TS]

00:27:31   because if they had done and said hi [TS]

00:27:32   We're disney and were built were buying [TS]

00:27:34   up land there would have been some [TS]

00:27:35   holdout person it was like I want a [TS]

00:27:37   million dollars and all the trees [TS]

00:27:39   well so the wonderful thing about [TS]

00:27:41   Florida as it relates to the mega [TS]

00:27:44   tsunami is alway across the Atlantic off [TS]

00:27:49   of the coast of africa in the Canary [TS]

00:27:52   Islands there is an unstable sort of [TS]

00:27:59   volcanic face of a matter of a of an [TS]

00:28:03   island and the island has over the years [TS]

00:28:06   sort of created an unstable pneus to [TS]

00:28:10   itself either through volcanic action or [TS]

00:28:12   erosion so that is a giant sort of [TS]

00:28:15   mountain that is that has a you know [TS]

00:28:19   that the entire sort of west face of [TS]

00:28:22   this mountain is at an angle that is too [TS]

00:28:25   steep to support its own weight [TS]

00:28:28   this is the theory ok excuse me and that [TS]

00:28:33   in the in the grand tradition of a of [TS]

00:28:38   leonard nimoy ever it is only a matter [TS]

00:28:42   of time before the entire Mountain [TS]

00:28:46   collapses into the sea and when that [TS]

00:28:50   happens it could potentially or will [TS]

00:28:56   absolutely depending on which television [TS]

00:28:58   program you're watching create a 300 [TS]

00:29:02   foot tall tsunami wave [TS]

00:29:04   that goes all the way across the [TS]

00:29:07   Atlantic Ocean and as you know there is [TS]

00:29:11   nothing in Florida taller than 300 feet [TS]

00:29:14   no no I mean I think New Orleans it was [TS]

00:29:18   famously below sea level a lot of [TS]

00:29:20   Florida is at sea level at sea level [TS]

00:29:22   right and what is like not a lot of [TS]

00:29:23   tolerance there [TS]

00:29:24   what's the tallest point in Florida 13 [TS]

00:29:26   there's gotta be like that 3 amount [TS]

00:29:30   mount deer lake right mount Indian deer [TS]

00:29:32   lake that day like always point I'm just [TS]

00:29:37   gonna put this into the computer right [TS]

00:29:39   now in hollister flooring or did Todd's [TS]

00:29:44   point in Florida [TS]

00:29:45   let's freakin Hill that there's a list [TS]

00:29:48   of highest point sugarloaf mountain so [TS]

00:29:51   Britain hill is 345 Felix that look at [TS]

00:29:54   that it's like pretty much all right [TS]

00:29:55   it's just really Alabama it's not even [TS]

00:29:57   really Florida all right it's all the [TS]

00:29:59   way up there [TS]

00:30:00   oh my gosh 300 c300 second highest point [TS]

00:30:04   sugarloaf mountain and Britain he'll [TS]

00:30:06   bring Helen up and look at 345 feet [TS]

00:30:09   that's right so so let's imagine now a [TS]

00:30:11   300-foot tsunami away from the Canary [TS]

00:30:13   Islands slowly making its way across the [TS]

00:30:16   Atlantic Ocean with the canary islands [TS]

00:30:18   of collapsed and we are all aware that [TS]

00:30:21   this tsunami waves coming now the [TS]

00:30:23   tsunami wave is also going to inundate [TS]

00:30:25   charleston and savannah and New York [TS]

00:30:29   City and it's just it's going to be a [TS]

00:30:30   wave of devastation but Florida uniquely [TS]

00:30:36   has nowhere to run and so all the people [TS]

00:30:41   in New York City are frantically [TS]

00:30:42   scrambling sort of like at the beginning [TS]

00:30:44   of world war z they're all trying to get [TS]

00:30:46   in there stolen Winnebagos and drive [TS]

00:30:48   inland there's a lot of places even [TS]

00:30:51   though that is also i know it's [TS]

00:30:52   technically peninsula is an island but [TS]

00:30:54   there's still places to go you can still [TS]

00:30:55   go upstate or something [TS]

00:30:56   yeah you gotta just go go i mean i you [TS]

00:30:59   know i'm not sure if I were down in [TS]

00:31:00   lower Manhattan maybe i would just go up [TS]

00:31:02   a skyscraper and feel like well uh maybe [TS]

00:31:05   this way we'll just hit the skyscraper [TS]

00:31:08   really hard but not knocking that'll be [TS]

00:31:09   fine they make this pretty strong now [TS]

00:31:11   yeah they're strong right who but in [TS]

00:31:13   Florida there is nowhere to go and so [TS]

00:31:16   how many minutes [TS]

00:31:17   let's ask the computer how many millions [TS]

00:31:19   of people are in florida and i'll tell [TS]

00:31:21   you i will tell you that somebody who at [TS]

00:31:23   one point I had lived in Tallahassee [TS]

00:31:26   which is very near georgia and I had [TS]

00:31:28   family as you say back on the Suncoast [TS]

00:31:30   that was a if I honor the law that was a [TS]

00:31:33   four-hour drive but like driving to the [TS]

00:31:35   east coast like trying to get out of [TS]

00:31:37   like palm beach or even god Miami pump [TS]

00:31:40   each that's going to be eight hours to [TS]

00:31:42   get out of the state [TS]

00:31:43   really yes it's like an eight-hour Drive [TS]

00:31:45   it's a it's a here's the other thing [TS]

00:31:47   there's a funny thing is every dumb [TS]

00:31:48   spring break kid goes let's go to Key [TS]

00:31:50   West and so you drive you get in your [TS]

00:31:52   car in in lutz or elfers and you start [TS]

00:31:55   driving [TS]

00:31:56   oh you start driving you drive you drive [TS]

00:31:58   won't holy shit this is a really long [TS]

00:32:01   drive you finally hit the end of Florida [TS]

00:32:03   you're lucky a key west like no sorry [TS]

00:32:05   Johnny [TS]

00:32:06   now you get to the real part like we've [TS]

00:32:08   got to get to key west which is like [TS]

00:32:09   just super slow [TS]

00:32:11   it's a really long drive this is a good [TS]

00:32:12   point John this is that's that is so did [TS]

00:32:14   you know i'm learning this from [TS]

00:32:16   wikipedia which is never wrong [TS]

00:32:17   there was a mega tsunami know about the [TS]

00:32:20   this is in your parents lifetime Lituya [TS]

00:32:22   Bay Alaska 1958 that's right you know [TS]

00:32:27   about this i do whether it's exactly the [TS]

00:32:29   type same type of situation a big [TS]

00:32:30   landslide a giant landslide at the head [TS]

00:32:33   of left the two-year bay alaska caused [TS]

00:32:35   by an earthquake generated away with an [TS]

00:32:38   initial amplitude of up to one thousand [TS]

00:32:40   seven hundred and twenty feet highest [TS]

00:32:43   wave ever recorded mhm and there is a [TS]

00:32:47   person and not even a small bag packed [TS]

00:32:49   holy shit there's a there there there is [TS]

00:32:51   a guy who claims to have been on a boat [TS]

00:32:53   on that Bay and it lifted him up and [TS]

00:32:56   took him up the side of a mountain and [TS]

00:32:59   then brought him back down and he [TS]

00:33:03   survived [TS]

00:33:04   mmm 1,700 feet that's like from here to [TS]

00:33:07   the safeway that's pretty that's pretty [TS]

00:33:10   that's a lot of feet jobs a big wave if [TS]

00:33:12   you imagine that there's nothing in [TS]

00:33:13   Florida taller than 300 feet 1,700 feet [TS]

00:33:16   is really really a big way you'll be [TS]

00:33:17   okay for a couple minutes but but you [TS]

00:33:19   know Florida I'm now discovering again [TS]

00:33:21   through the internet that Florida is the [TS]

00:33:23   third most populous state in the union [TS]

00:33:25   with 19 almost 20 million people [TS]

00:33:29   so now we're California New York [TS]

00:33:32   California Texas what's the second you [TS]

00:33:34   know Texas has got a lot of people in it [TS]

00:33:37   california has the same size economy as [TS]

00:33:39   Italy turns out and got a lot of people [TS]

00:33:41   who was second [TS]

00:33:43   well let's see let's go most policy of [TS]

00:33:47   popular states of population of states i [TS]

00:33:52   guess Texas is going to be right in [TS]

00:33:53   there at California Texas Florida that's [TS]

00:33:56   right in New York is for California's 37 [TS]

00:33:59   million people that's insane this should [TS]

00:34:01   be five states no question maybe [TS]

00:34:03   balkanize there's nobody much million30 [TS]

00:34:06   almost 40 million people John I think [TS]

00:34:08   you know i'm all for diversity [TS]

00:34:09   yeah but like stockton and Eureka and [TS]

00:34:12   San Francisco and San Diego should not [TS]

00:34:14   be in the same state [TS]

00:34:15   no it's true though should be there [TS]

00:34:17   should be in different states there are [TS]

00:34:18   40 million people in the UK right i mean [TS]

00:34:22   Germany has 60 million people in and and [TS]

00:34:25   and France says 40 million or the UK as [TS]

00:34:28   40 million something like that I'm not [TS]

00:34:30   adorable i know i'm sitting and looking [TS]

00:34:31   at the internet right now but I'm not [TS]

00:34:33   going to just sit and talk about the [TS]

00:34:34   Internet [TS]

00:34:35   no but anyway I want I want you to [TS]

00:34:36   picture the 20 million people in Florida [TS]

00:34:38   all trying to figure out what they're [TS]

00:34:41   gonna do as a as a 300-foot wave [TS]

00:34:45   approaches some of them are going to get [TS]

00:34:48   in there big boats and head toward the [TS]

00:34:50   way which I think would be the smart [TS]

00:34:51   move [TS]

00:34:52   that's the Christian thing to do trade [TS]

00:34:54   some of them are going to try and get [TS]

00:34:56   over to Tampa and that way was just [TS]

00:35:00   gonna just gonna be right on their heels [TS]

00:35:02   right [TS]

00:35:02   don't you think it just crack off and go [TS]

00:35:06   right off the foundation just crack off [TS]

00:35:07   and become an island I think that would [TS]

00:35:09   be that hard to do [TS]

00:35:10   yeah i mean i think that would only [TS]

00:35:12   hanging on Jonna parts it's pretty [TS]

00:35:14   skinny [TS]

00:35:14   I think that it would I think it would I [TS]

00:35:16   think this wave would go across it and [TS]

00:35:19   like maybe a few days later the water [TS]

00:35:23   would subside and scour all of the you [TS]

00:35:26   know all of the sort of roadside [TS]

00:35:28   flat-roofed one-story malls and you know [TS]

00:35:33   going to be a clean slate and we just [TS]

00:35:35   get back to dooms uh-huh and we could [TS]

00:35:37   start all over again build a railroad [TS]

00:35:39   down there [TS]

00:35:41   you know Thomas Edison and PT Barnum [TS]

00:35:43   coming downhill the hotel sure the [TS]

00:35:46   parents the Bears will come down we [TS]

00:35:48   should get our friend physicist grant [TS]

00:35:50   Balfour involved in this hisa he knows a [TS]

00:35:52   lot about floor and he's been their most [TS]

00:35:53   of his life [TS]

00:35:54   yeah he's a he's one of the great [TS]

00:35:56   Floridians and also a physicist and an [TS]

00:35:59   editor and scientists yeah yeah he [TS]

00:36:02   should be he should you know where we've [TS]

00:36:04   been talking about our other yeah our [TS]

00:36:06   other Enterprise I can be tough to deal [TS]

00:36:10   with what you're up to but i'm telling [TS]

00:36:11   you we can help a lot of people by [TS]

00:36:12   talking to grant isn't there is nothing [TS]

00:36:14   that i am up to that would preclude a [TS]

00:36:17   enterprise right that is the foundation [TS]

00:36:20   of of America oh my god John that brings [TS]

00:36:23   us to an important point our [TS]

00:36:24   conversation em they're into things [TS]

00:36:26   there are two fucking things [TS]

00:36:29   well we are going to cover today okay [TS]

00:36:31   one of them is I would absolutely to [TS]

00:36:33   hear an update on how things are going [TS]

00:36:34   with that with with your latest venture [TS]

00:36:36   and you sure as shit know I'm gonna get [TS]

00:36:39   my chicken recipe today I'm so excited [TS]

00:36:41   to see if you see the Fox popular people [TS]

00:36:43   are people are losing they want to know [TS]

00:36:44   they say I love chicken I like cooking [TS]

00:36:46   well enough to give me a life-changing [TS]

00:36:48   thought technology and cooking chicken [TS]

00:36:50   well this is the thing that I can this [TS]

00:36:51   is a little bit of context that I can [TS]

00:36:53   provide for the listeners although you [TS]

00:36:56   have introduced me to multiple food [TS]

00:36:58   thought technologies including making [TS]

00:37:01   bacon in the oven before including [TS]

00:37:04   before it was called the bacon method [TS]

00:37:06   for it was called that'll make a big [TS]

00:37:07   deal about a problem doing that for [TS]

00:37:08   years [TS]

00:37:09   yeah you you introduce that to me I over [TS]

00:37:12   a decade ago and it blew my mind at the [TS]

00:37:15   time you also introduced me to the [TS]

00:37:18   concept of a weekend morning dimsum [TS]

00:37:22   eaten in large quantities ordering dim [TS]

00:37:26   sum in quantities you cannot possibly [TS]

00:37:28   think that you're gonna finish and then [TS]

00:37:31   just doing it [TS]

00:37:32   I've never not finished the dim sum but [TS]

00:37:34   also you have to credit you with the wet [TS]

00:37:39   weather you specifically a it gave me [TS]

00:37:42   this not technology or whether you [TS]

00:37:44   planted the seed that develop that [TS]

00:37:46   developed into this thought technology [TS]

00:37:47   but i believe i got the make all the [TS]

00:37:51   bacon [TS]

00:37:52   philosophy from you that's so [TS]

00:37:55   interesting it's like calculus like [TS]

00:37:57   everybody can figure it out about the [TS]

00:37:58   same time [TS]

00:37:59   mhm i do them now I think we got it we [TS]

00:38:01   got the way by the big zip locks and [TS]

00:38:03   make all the noodles all the great [TS]

00:38:05   noodle that's right all the news and I'm [TS]

00:38:06   not sure whether whether or whether we [TS]

00:38:08   we we just both arrived at that together [TS]

00:38:10   or whether that is part of our like [TS]

00:38:13   american heritage or what it is but you [TS]

00:38:15   are not a person who makes half a pot of [TS]

00:38:17   coffee [TS]

00:38:18   let's just put it down right when it's [TS]

00:38:21   time when it's time to make another pot [TS]

00:38:22   of coffee you make an entire pot of [TS]

00:38:23   coffee and yeah and you know and [TS]

00:38:26   sometimes I sometimes somebody will be [TS]

00:38:28   like you know I can make some coffee you [TS]

00:38:31   know they'll be at my house and I'll [TS]

00:38:32   make some coffee i'm sure go ahead make [TS]

00:38:33   some coffee and they make one of you [TS]

00:38:35   know they make like four cups of car [TS]

00:38:37   like toy coffee and i'm playing what are [TS]

00:38:39   you doing huh what the all of that work [TS]

00:38:42   you put all of that that you put all [TS]

00:38:44   that English on it and you're just [TS]

00:38:46   getting four cups of coffee out of it [TS]

00:38:48   no it'sit's just total waste time and [TS]

00:38:49   especially for somebody like yourself [TS]

00:38:51   he's not afraid to take coffee has been [TS]

00:38:52   sitting there for a couple days and take [TS]

00:38:54   it on the road and drink it [TS]

00:38:55   hello because I I actually happen to [TS]

00:38:57   think that whatever that mold is the [TS]

00:38:59   develops on coffee [TS]

00:39:00   yeah in the first few days it just has a [TS]

00:39:03   kind of psychoactive quality it's not [TS]

00:39:05   all the way to like oh this is terrible [TS]

00:39:06   it's just a little bit just puts a [TS]

00:39:08   little bit of this a little spin on [TS]

00:39:10   probably probably laughed at the first [TS]

00:39:12   guy who ate an oyster the first the [TS]

00:39:13   first gal who had a mushroom [TS]

00:39:15   yeah in your case you you're enjoying [TS]

00:39:16   coffee mushrooms the first person that [TS]

00:39:18   hated peanuts so much that they turned [TS]

00:39:21   the match them so hard that it turned [TS]

00:39:23   into peanut butter [TS]

00:39:23   yes exactly i hate these peanuts [TS]

00:39:25   delicious peanut sauce i think that was [TS]

00:39:30   I mean I made a joke at you the other [TS]

00:39:31   day about George Washington Carver who I [TS]

00:39:33   still just remember so much because it [TS]

00:39:35   was the first biography ever read as a [TS]

00:39:36   child I think with you the one that [TS]

00:39:38   great at the peanut gym right [TS]

00:39:39   whoo that's right that's right it was a [TS]

00:39:41   it was think he's revolutionized the [TS]

00:39:42   South irritable to make ashtrays [TS]

00:39:44   rearview mirrors he may actually make [TS]

00:39:47   peanuts out of sweet potatoes jimmy [TS]

00:39:48   carter got elected on the strength of [TS]

00:39:50   that platform crack corn and it was an [TS]

00:39:52   amazing time [TS]

00:39:53   mother mother of invention that's right [TS]

00:39:56   now yeah there's so many things and I [TS]

00:39:58   mean that's the kind of innovation you [TS]

00:40:00   know we're talking about here I mean you [TS]

00:40:01   know in Alaska that might be moose but [TS]

00:40:03   you know you got to take what there's a [TS]

00:40:04   lot of in my case that's noodle [TS]

00:40:06   and I make it all so I you know you [TS]

00:40:08   remember a time and I surely remember [TS]

00:40:10   time because I'm the one introducing the [TS]

00:40:12   topic [TS]

00:40:13   yeah when swizzle sticks were a major [TS]

00:40:16   feature on the American landscape [TS]

00:40:18   swizzles I said like the red vines [TS]

00:40:21   competitor no no swizzle sticks are the [TS]

00:40:25   little plastic like a drink stirrer like [TS]

00:40:28   rock candy on that kind of thing that's [TS]

00:40:29   right a drink stirrer but for a long [TS]

00:40:32   time there in American history [TS]

00:40:34   swizzle sticks were were an item of [TS]

00:40:38   schwag you would go into the collective [TS]

00:40:41   as a kid that's right you go into the [TS]

00:40:42   bar they put a little swizzle stick in [TS]

00:40:44   your drink to stir your drink but this [TS]

00:40:46   will stick with it would be embossed [TS]

00:40:48   with the name of the bar and some for [TS]

00:40:50   the airline I had delta airlines ones [TS]

00:40:52   that were really cool they had a big [TS]

00:40:54   logo on the end and so it was very cool [TS]

00:40:56   it was very popular collect collector [TS]

00:40:59   item you try to mass an enormous [TS]

00:41:03   collection of swizzle sticks from around [TS]

00:41:04   the world and i'm sure out there in [TS]

00:41:07   America right now there are swizzlestick [TS]

00:41:09   collections just sitting on man pooling [TS]

00:41:12   it right now right and i look for them [TS]

00:41:14   in thrift stores all the time that i'm [TS]

00:41:15   going to find somebody's swizzlestick [TS]

00:41:17   collection I've never found one but in [TS]

00:41:21   the seventies there were swizzle sticks [TS]

00:41:23   everywhere and the reason I bring this [TS]

00:41:25   up is that in Alaska it was very [TS]

00:41:28   possible very popular i wanted the big [TS]

00:41:31   tourist sellers in the seventies was a [TS]

00:41:35   moose turd which as you know looks [TS]

00:41:38   exactly like one of those little [TS]

00:41:39   chocolate Easter eggs wrapped in foil [TS]

00:41:42   except made out of compacted grass so a [TS]

00:41:47   little moose turd and they would dip the [TS]

00:41:49   moose turd in polyurethane and then put [TS]

00:41:52   it on a swizzle stick [TS]

00:41:53   what so the moose turd swizzle sticks [TS]

00:41:56   were a big big item i'm sure that there [TS]

00:42:00   are tens of thousands of moose turd [TS]

00:42:02   swizzle sticks and they call the Moose [TS]

00:42:05   nuggets because nobody likes to buy [TS]

00:42:08   something with the word turd in it but [TS]

00:42:10   moose nugget swizzlestick big big item [TS]

00:42:15   it was you could get it in any airport [TS]

00:42:17   in many it was this tempting like I'm [TS]

00:42:19   leave [TS]

00:42:19   in Alaska I didn't get presents for [TS]

00:42:21   anybody haha look at this moose nuggets [TS]

00:42:24   little sticks I'll get one for the whole [TS]

00:42:25   family [TS]

00:42:27   so that was a major export before we I [TS]

00:42:32   mean sort of [TS]

00:42:32   after gold but before Oriole [TS]

00:42:35   right-hander shared goals and that was a [TS]

00:42:37   big deal and there was this interregnum [TS]

00:42:39   where there was like oh shit Johnny's [TS]

00:42:41   all these are horrible the other that [TS]

00:42:42   well my god they look like it's almost [TS]

00:42:44   get to like not see pop but it really [TS]

00:42:46   looks like poop on a stick so then been [TS]

00:42:48   using the pet rock theorem then people [TS]

00:42:52   were like oh if we can put a moose [TS]

00:42:54   nugget on a swizzle stick [TS]

00:42:56   who wouldn't want moose nugget ear rings [TS]

00:42:58   and then you could buy moose nugget [TS]

00:43:00   earrings now picture in tight a keyring [TS]

00:43:03   picture someone coming up becoming a [TS]

00:43:06   meeting you for a blind date and she is [TS]

00:43:08   wearing moose nugget earrings but it was [TS]

00:43:12   a it was very popular item at the time [TS]

00:43:14   that just says local gal the next the [TS]

00:43:16   nineteen seventies were very unusual era [TS]

00:43:19   so anyway [TS]

00:43:20   swizzle sticks ice i miss them sometimes [TS]

00:43:22   I wonder like whatever happened [TS]

00:43:24   yeah that's a really good question [TS]

00:43:25   things kind of my one is cost-cutting [TS]

00:43:27   where like if you could have a little [TS]

00:43:29   dinky straw [TS]

00:43:30   maybe that's maybe something now we're [TS]

00:43:31   like the economies of scale to making [TS]

00:43:32   dinky little straw has gotten so big [TS]

00:43:34   that you don't need an extra little [TS]

00:43:35   stick it's like more excuse to keep in [TS]

00:43:37   stock but then it's also the mcdonalds [TS]

00:43:39   problem and I don't know if this is true [TS]

00:43:41   i think this is probably it turns out [TS]

00:43:43   thing but you know people supposedly you [TS]

00:43:45   know mcdonald's to make a pretty sweet [TS]

00:43:47   little swizzle stick oh that's right [TS]

00:43:49   with the little em on the topic was had [TS]

00:43:51   a beautiful golden like was white but [TS]

00:43:53   had the arches on one end and what did [TS]

00:43:54   have at the other end [TS]

00:43:55   uh-oh and had like a hamburglar no no [TS]

00:43:59   had a tiny had a tiny tiny spoon it did [TS]

00:44:04   have a spoon it was adorable it was this [TS]

00:44:06   tiny spoon and so my primary use for [TS]

00:44:09   those was a yeah my primary you see [TS]

00:44:13   exactly are you here you've got it [TS]

00:44:14   my primary use was if you hold a rubber [TS]

00:44:16   band between your thumb and middle [TS]

00:44:18   finger and put the arches into the [TS]

00:44:22   rubber band pull back that shit off like [TS]

00:44:25   50 feet you can really harm a person [TS]

00:44:27   with one now it's like a little homemade [TS]

00:44:28   level will hand crossbow a hand crossbow [TS]

00:44:31   yep but I die [TS]

00:44:32   no you know it now again this is the way [TS]

00:44:34   America works and this is what needs to [TS]

00:44:35   change I want to get back to your [TS]

00:44:36   campaign but this is the problem is that [TS]

00:44:38   i think the story was that the I bet [TS]

00:44:41   it's one of those second-order urban [TS]

00:44:42   myths that things we're like so wait so [TS]

00:44:46   you're going to use a mcdonalds stirred [TS]

00:44:48   a snort cocaine like I bet people heard [TS]

00:44:51   that and then they had to get rid of it [TS]

00:44:52   because now the urban myth was bigger [TS]

00:44:54   than the thing [TS]

00:44:54   yeah i guess it was exactly the kind of [TS]

00:44:57   little dimensions of of of of a coke [TS]

00:45:00   spoon [TS]

00:45:01   yeah maybe that's where they where they [TS]

00:45:04   derived the design of coke spoons huh [TS]

00:45:07   you know like you know you should get an [TS]

00:45:09   egg chicken you know i'm malcolm [TS]

00:45:10   gladwell so how boy so many things have [TS]

00:45:14   changed in our lives that the other day [TS]

00:45:18   you sent me a beautiful picture of a [TS]

00:45:20   deluxe VHS set of it was classic the [TS]

00:45:27   classic world war two d-day invasion [TS]

00:45:29   movie what I think it's got to be it [TS]

00:45:32   sounds like it's like intellectually one [TS]

00:45:33   of your favorite movies but it's also [TS]

00:45:35   like you and your dad used to watch this [TS]

00:45:36   movie right [TS]

00:45:37   the longest day the longest day an [TS]

00:45:39   amazing film an all-star cast and really [TS]

00:45:42   like a lot of what's amazing about the [TS]

00:45:44   longest days there are a lot of comedic [TS]

00:45:46   actors in it playing dramatic roles [TS]

00:45:49   right like red buttons isn't how right [TS]

00:45:53   he plays it straight and there's a lot [TS]

00:45:55   of there's a lot of planets straight [TS]

00:45:56   happening and it's one of those like [TS]

00:45:58   it's one of those all-star cast swear [TS]

00:46:01   you you feel like oh this is one of [TS]

00:46:02   those Brad Pitt movies where everybody [TS]

00:46:05   and their mom is in it and it's just [TS]

00:46:07   going to be terrible but in fact like [TS]

00:46:09   these people show up these famous famous [TS]

00:46:11   actors show up and do kind of small [TS]

00:46:15   parts before they were super famous some [TS]

00:46:19   of them women already famous you get [TS]

00:46:20   John Wayne Henry Fonda robert mitchum [TS]

00:46:22   right but then you got you got a very [TS]

00:46:25   young sean connery three a young richard [TS]

00:46:28   burton he believed that and everybody [TS]

00:46:32   just like act in their pants off and [TS]

00:46:35   it's a big budget film and unlike later [TS]

00:46:40   world war two movies they still had [TS]

00:46:42   access to all the actual hardware [TS]

00:46:45   right so it's not it's not like a lot of [TS]

00:46:47   those a lot of the later world war two [TS]

00:46:49   movies like there will be planes flying [TS]

00:46:52   over all the time but if you are [TS]

00:46:53   somebody I'm not gonna say like you but [TS]

00:46:56   if you're in kind of person that could [TS]

00:46:57   tell every everything that's ever [TS]

00:46:59   existed by its shape if you had sort of [TS]

00:47:00   person if you're the type of person like [TS]

00:47:02   me who is looking at the planes in those [TS]

00:47:04   scenes instead of what the actors are [TS]

00:47:06   doing underneath you will begin to [TS]

00:47:09   notice that they only have three planes [TS]

00:47:11   and they keep flying them by in [TS]

00:47:14   different configurations like here comes [TS]

00:47:16   one plane and now there's three planes [TS]

00:47:19   but that the first plane is in the [TS]

00:47:21   little group of 32 and you're just like [TS]

00:47:24   and a particularly when they use the [TS]

00:47:27   wrong plane like here come the Germans [TS]

00:47:30   wait a minute that's their flying piper [TS]

00:47:33   cubs like rice very frustrating that [TS]

00:47:36   what should be like I don't know like in [TS]

00:47:39   the war seems like they've got toy guns [TS]

00:47:41   like you would look at that and get that [TS]

00:47:42   doesn't even make any sense that the [TS]

00:47:43   consumer plane and I don't want to be I [TS]

00:47:45   don't want to be one of those Civil War [TS]

00:47:47   reenactors that's like that's the wrong [TS]

00:47:48   belt buckle [TS]

00:47:49   the problem is if you know a lot about a [TS]

00:47:50   thing it's kinda hard not to be that guy [TS]

00:47:53   yeah right you're just sort of like oh [TS]

00:47:54   this is a disappointment and part of the [TS]

00:47:56   disappointment is when I realized they [TS]

00:47:58   only have three planes i also realized [TS]

00:48:00   like oh those are the only three f4u [TS]

00:48:03   corsairs left in existence in 1962 and [TS]

00:48:07   that makes me very sad I'm so sad but in [TS]

00:48:11   the during the longest day right they [TS]

00:48:12   were selling all that military hardware [TS]

00:48:14   like you could go buy a p40 tomahawk for [TS]

00:48:17   fourteen dollars if you could just get [TS]

00:48:19   the gas in it you know and and so [TS]

00:48:23   they're made the American this movie and [TS]

00:48:24   it's just like wow I mean I'm sure there [TS]

00:48:28   were a lot of people on the set that we [TS]

00:48:29   had actually been at d-day and they were [TS]

00:48:33   just working as gaffers or something on [TS]

00:48:35   the you know like it its it's impressive [TS]

00:48:39   yeah and state state the obvious but i [TS]

00:48:40   think this is very interesting also [TS]

00:48:42   people who were some of whom were just [TS]

00:48:44   about little young maybe but just about [TS]

00:48:46   the age where they might have even [TS]

00:48:47   served in world war two or at least have [TS]

00:48:49   been in the Army at some point [TS]

00:48:50   are you kidding i think everybody in [TS]

00:48:52   that movie was yeah right i miss my [TS]

00:48:54   family [TS]

00:48:55   uh well you know he served in other ways [TS]

00:48:57   he he had a he had a he had a hernia [TS]

00:49:03   herniated disc [TS]

00:49:05   oh no really no I don't think so no I [TS]

00:49:07   think he just I think it took away from [TS]

00:49:09   the smoking time I think he's just a [TS]

00:49:10   shirker a layabout a goldbrick but [TS]

00:49:14   because the longer you call john wayne i [TS]

00:49:16   linger you know I don't know I just feel [TS]

00:49:18   like 62 that was John Wayne's you know [TS]

00:49:22   that was like he was even a little bit [TS]

00:49:24   past his oh yeah i did stagecoach and I [TS]

00:49:27   think 1939 right and you know he could [TS]

00:49:31   have done he could have done a benny [TS]

00:49:32   goodman he could have gone out and and [TS]

00:49:34   and played the trombone about foreplay [TS]

00:49:37   Miller's our client Miller right gonna [TS]

00:49:41   see now look I was just that guy with [TS]

00:49:43   you nobody would have fucking care that [TS]

00:49:44   you said Benny Goodman but I i know it's [TS]

00:49:46   good milord I good miller played the [TS]

00:49:48   trombone and benny goodman played the [TS]

00:49:49   clarinet you know what John in some ways [TS]

00:49:51   modern man modern life and especially [TS]

00:49:52   modern manhood is just deciding which [TS]

00:49:54   subset of things you're going to be [TS]

00:49:56   insufferable about actually there's a [TS]

00:50:00   space in OS 10 / 30 i sense that sense [TS]

00:50:07   that declaring for public office I've [TS]

00:50:08   gotten into a few long conversations [TS]

00:50:10   with people on the internet where which [TS]

00:50:12   are very much in the spirit of that like [TS]

00:50:14   well did you ever consider blankety [TS]

00:50:16   blankety blank and I'm learning had [TS]

00:50:19   learning that I need to really really [TS]

00:50:20   really really choose how long of a [TS]

00:50:23   conversation I'm going to have on [TS]

00:50:25   facebook messenger because you know I i [TS]

00:50:29   had eliminated facebook almost do you [TS]

00:50:32   have facebook you're running for office [TS]

00:50:33   my god that had not even occurred to me [TS]

00:50:35   yeah so I had to get for your halloween [TS]

00:50:37   off it pretty good i would have felt [TS]

00:50:39   good I i just used you know i ported [TS]

00:50:41   over my tweets over there so if people [TS]

00:50:44   that I went to high school with that [TS]

00:50:46   didn't have twitter if they wanted to [TS]

00:50:48   hear my thoughts which none of them did [TS]

00:50:50   but if that they were there right but [TS]

00:50:52   now I had tried to download the facebook [TS]

00:50:55   app to my phone and then I had to follow [TS]

00:50:57   through on their whole like scheme to [TS]

00:51:01   get me to download messenger which is [TS]

00:51:03   and just organize the wrap these two [TS]

00:51:05   have one up another got a bunch apps [TS]

00:51:06   right and they're just the worst they're [TS]

00:51:07   all the worst and it's just the worst [TS]

00:51:09   place that's not as bad as LinkedIn but [TS]

00:51:10   it's [TS]

00:51:11   pretty bad and so now I'm over there and [TS]

00:51:14   people want to message me somebody [TS]

00:51:16   messaged me the other day that was just [TS]

00:51:18   like trying to get list me in some sort [TS]

00:51:21   of a like sex scheme it's just it's too [TS]

00:51:25   it's an awful environment for the for [TS]

00:51:26   the for the public good [TS]

00:51:28   well you know I mean people people have [TS]

00:51:30   a different idea of other public servant [TS]

00:51:32   they want to bring the constituencies [TS]

00:51:34   that's right thank you [TS]

00:51:36   but enough about that are we ready are [TS]

00:51:41   we ready to talk about the chicken [TS]

00:51:43   well I'mI'm ready in a second to talk [TS]

00:51:45   about the chicken but I that you know [TS]

00:51:47   it's only been a week now [TS]

00:51:48   yes that's right did you want to would [TS]

00:51:50   you like to talk about how it's been [TS]

00:51:51   going well it's been going swimmingly [TS]

00:51:53   you know the challenge the challenge for [TS]

00:51:57   me is I do believe in I do believe [TS]

00:52:01   passionately in public service and I [TS]

00:52:03   believe in the city of seattle the [TS]

00:52:06   question is how do you run for public [TS]

00:52:08   office in America and not become a [TS]

00:52:12   monster because everyone once you this [TS]

00:52:15   is the thing about politics right [TS]

00:52:17   everybody wants you to be a monster they [TS]

00:52:20   expect you to be a monster that's who [TS]

00:52:22   that this this this conversation we have [TS]

00:52:26   with one another about like about [TS]

00:52:29   politics [TS]

00:52:30   we're also exhausted by the fact that [TS]

00:52:35   everyone who runs for office is a [TS]

00:52:36   monster but then when someone runs for [TS]

00:52:38   office we expect them to perform in a [TS]

00:52:42   way that only a monster could do right [TS]

00:52:45   like the only people who could stand up [TS]

00:52:47   in front of a room and say I have the [TS]

00:52:51   answers like our are liars or maniacs [TS]

00:52:56   for sociopaths no no one has the answer [TS]

00:53:01   we don't want to elect people who have [TS]

00:53:03   the answers we want to elect people who [TS]

00:53:06   are capable of of like acting on our [TS]

00:53:09   behalf to make difficult choices and to [TS]

00:53:13   make choices is very different than to [TS]

00:53:16   have the answers to make choices is a is [TS]

00:53:20   a set of skills that is a skill set [TS]

00:53:22   right where you are capable of [TS]

00:53:24   processing a lot of complicated [TS]

00:53:26   information a lot of like opposing views [TS]

00:53:30   that all sound sane and reasonable and [TS]

00:53:33   then make the best choice that you can [TS]

00:53:34   on behalf of the rest of us because we [TS]

00:53:37   can't all possibly choose everything and [TS]

00:53:43   it's like one of the foundations of [TS]

00:53:44   civilization right we don't every person [TS]

00:53:47   doesn't walk into the room and decide [TS]

00:53:49   again whether or not they're going to [TS]

00:53:52   wear pants [TS]

00:53:53   we just mutually decided that we all [TS]

00:53:56   have to wear pants that's one of the [TS]

00:53:57   rules and if you do if you walk in and [TS]

00:54:01   say well my culture we don't wear pants [TS]

00:54:04   we don't everybody doesn't get a chance [TS]

00:54:06   to assert that right it's just like no [TS]

00:54:08   we all wear pants that is a [TS]

00:54:09   long-standing pants daytime we may not [TS]

00:54:10   love it but it keeps the peace [TS]

00:54:12   that's right and ultimately it's totally [TS]

00:54:13   arbitrary right its total it's a [TS]

00:54:15   complete completely manufactured that we [TS]

00:54:17   all have decided to wear pants but we [TS]

00:54:20   have and it and you can you can argue it [TS]

00:54:24   but like the case is kind of made let's [TS]

00:54:27   get on down the road right so so public [TS]

00:54:31   servants are I mean there are scientists [TS]

00:54:33   to adjudicate the science there are [TS]

00:54:36   bureaucrats to fill out the forms and [TS]

00:54:39   file them properly the public servant is [TS]

00:54:43   someone who you elect in your stead and [TS]

00:54:48   you trust that person to make difficult [TS]

00:54:50   decisions on your behalf and so you ask [TS]

00:54:55   only that that person have have good [TS]

00:54:58   character have a like lucid mind and be [TS]

00:55:03   you know and be willing to make [TS]

00:55:06   decisions and take some heat for them [TS]

00:55:08   but also you know make them in good [TS]

00:55:10   faith right but then when someone offers [TS]

00:55:13   to run for office we immediately start [TS]

00:55:16   asking them to show us that they are [TS]

00:55:20   that they are willing to stand in front [TS]

00:55:22   of us and claimed to have either perfect [TS]

00:55:26   knowledge or infallibility or spotless [TS]

00:55:34   character spotless character that if [TS]

00:55:37   if a person actually if a person came to [TS]

00:55:40   a party at our house and had a character [TS]

00:55:43   with no spots on it we would talk to [TS]

00:55:47   them for a minute and then move away [TS]

00:55:48   from them and go find someone [TS]

00:55:50   interesting to talk to you know all [TS]

00:55:52   these things that we all these uh these [TS]

00:55:56   ever narrowing apertures that we force [TS]

00:55:59   under their arms [TS]

00:56:02   what's the word contradictory [TS]

00:56:03   paradoxical like you can't have all of [TS]

00:56:05   these things you can't you can't have [TS]

00:56:07   somebody who's got a vision for change [TS]

00:56:09   by me is you know I don't want to talk [TS]

00:56:12   to me false economy is but it's [TS]

00:56:15   difficult to have somebody that did [TS]

00:56:17   ticks all the boxes on every single side [TS]

00:56:19   and isn't actually a psychopath right [TS]

00:56:21   and so we keep them elected a [TS]

00:56:24   Psychopaths because those are the only [TS]

00:56:26   people that that pass the litmus tests [TS]

00:56:29   and then we're disappointed in their [TS]

00:56:31   behavior because they go to office and [TS]

00:56:33   partly because of what they had to do to [TS]

00:56:34   get to get it get through the campaign [TS]

00:56:36   that's right all the different people [TS]

00:56:38   that they had to lose bar they had to [TS]

00:56:40   sort of pass so in in the course of even [TS]

00:56:44   just the first week of my campaign i [TS]

00:56:46   have had a handful of choices to make [TS]

00:56:50   where the choice was presented to me um [TS]

00:56:54   and this is what the expectation is and [TS]

00:56:59   i look at the expectation and I say well [TS]

00:57:01   in order to fulfill that expectation i [TS]

00:57:04   would have to i would get in fulfilling [TS]

00:57:08   it i would be demonstrating that I have [TS]

00:57:10   a lack of character because to to do [TS]

00:57:15   that thing is is a is it like a [TS]

00:57:19   completely incompatible with being good [TS]

00:57:23   at this office and so i will i will not [TS]

00:57:27   do the thing I will not debase myself in [TS]

00:57:33   order to get elected you know in such a [TS]

00:57:36   way that I would be compromising the you [TS]

00:57:39   know the the very thing I i think i [TS]

00:57:41   would bring to the office and in and [TS]

00:57:43   what's been fascinating so far is that [TS]

00:57:45   in every instance the reaction that I [TS]

00:57:48   get [TS]

00:57:49   has been surprised and then like sort of [TS]

00:57:55   delighted acquiescence everybody goes oh [TS]

00:57:58   okay great [TS]

00:58:01   sure well then then lets the just not do [TS]

00:58:04   that and I'm like okay great well it's [TS]

00:58:06   not then let's not just manufacture a [TS]

00:58:10   conflict with somebody that's not a [TS]

00:58:15   let's not put every single idea i have [TS]

00:58:18   in the in a in a false equivalency with [TS]

00:58:23   someone else's ideas or or like a like a [TS]

00:58:27   fault in some kind of guy I do not [TS]

00:58:30   intend to run for this office by [TS]

00:58:34   contrasting myself with someone else and [TS]

00:58:39   that is that's what I'm realizing [TS]

00:58:40   everything you're saying there's an [TS]

00:58:43   implicit in all of those risky [TS]

00:58:47   proposition is a couple things one is [TS]

00:58:51   constantly assuming a comparison with [TS]

00:58:54   someone else that is being made or [TS]

00:58:56   should be made and then second I think [TS]

00:58:58   kind of related to that is making [TS]

00:59:02   appearances that may or may not need to [TS]

00:59:04   be made and also kind of trying to be [TS]

00:59:05   pre-emptive about something like trying [TS]

00:59:08   to preemptively like lay this groundwork [TS]

00:59:10   it's almost like an opening the opening [TS]

00:59:12   game in chest like you're trying to get [TS]

00:59:13   things set up in this certain way but [TS]

00:59:16   they both require you to be something [TS]

00:59:18   other than a person who's in [TS]

00:59:19   in that moment in some ways yeah but but [TS]

00:59:22   then I guess once you start thinking [TS]

00:59:23   about it must be difficult to stop [TS]

00:59:24   thinking about it because they need you [TS]

00:59:25   have to think like oh if I say this is [TS]

00:59:27   somebody there for 50 things you've said [TS]

00:59:29   in this that somebody could take out of [TS]

00:59:30   context just today and turn it into [TS]

00:59:31   something weird that now you're expected [TS]

00:59:33   to respond to [TS]

00:59:34   yeah right well and also just the sense [TS]

00:59:37   that like well you need to you know [TS]

00:59:40   something happened something happened in [TS]

00:59:43   Washington and you need to make a press [TS]

00:59:45   release when you get out in front of it [TS]

00:59:47   and you compare yourself to other [TS]

00:59:53   candidates in such a way that it makes [TS]

00:59:56   them look slow and dumb right [TS]

00:59:56   them look slow and dumb right [TS]

01:00:00   and I'm like well I would do that if I [TS]

01:00:04   well I mean I I i would release a press [TS]

01:00:09   release about my ideas about this event [TS]

01:00:13   but I'm counting on Washington voters in [TS]

01:00:19   seattle voters to if they if they want [TS]

01:00:22   to elect me to this office to do so on [TS]

01:00:25   the strength of the ideas that i put [TS]

01:00:27   forth not on how quickly you call them [TS]

01:00:29   together [TS]

01:00:29   well I'm not not on how i posit those [TS]

01:00:32   ideas against someone else's ideas like [TS]

01:00:34   I'm very confident that I have that I [TS]

01:00:38   have good ideas and that I'm that I'm [TS]

01:00:42   good at this conversation I have no [TS]

01:00:45   interest in going to war with another [TS]

01:00:48   person who also is you know is doing a [TS]

01:00:52   difficult job of volunteering for public [TS]

01:00:54   service asking people to listen to their [TS]

01:00:57   ideas and appreciate their ideas and if [TS]

01:01:00   if five people are running for an office [TS]

01:01:03   and five of them put forth us a slate of [TS]

01:01:06   ideas [TS]

01:01:07   it should be a simple matter of choosing [TS]

01:01:10   the candidate whose ideas and whose [TS]

01:01:13   personality and character reflect yours [TS]

01:01:16   the best without meeting to without the [TS]

01:01:20   candidates needing to make this sort of [TS]

01:01:24   pedantic comparison between themselves [TS]

01:01:26   that always takes the form of like an [TS]

01:01:29   insult war or for worse that kind of [TS]

01:01:32   like stiff-necked like my opponent your [TS]

01:01:37   leaves that children should be thrown [TS]

01:01:39   down wells i do not believe this [TS]

01:01:42   it's like your opponent doesn't believe [TS]

01:01:43   that first of all sir and second of all [TS]

01:01:45   of course you don't believe that [TS]

01:01:48   like why why are you I mean it's that [TS]

01:01:50   it's the reason that we feel like we're [TS]

01:01:52   being spoken to like children because [TS]

01:01:55   the dialogue takes on this lowest common [TS]

01:01:58   denominator kind of tone anyway so long [TS]

01:02:02   story short I am getting into this [TS]

01:02:04   campaigning thing and I'm enjoying every [TS]

01:02:07   aspect of it but multiple times a day I [TS]

01:02:11   have to kind of stand there plant my [TS]

01:02:14   feet and say I'm not gonna run that kind [TS]

01:02:16   of campaign and I'm just asking if you [TS]

01:02:20   can say like based on advice you get [TS]

01:02:22   from others based on pressure you feel [TS]

01:02:24   based on emotions for what's happening [TS]

01:02:26   right now based on what kinds of things [TS]

01:02:28   all of the above right i mean the the [TS]

01:02:30   people potentially good people smart [TS]

01:02:33   people but advising you on something [TS]

01:02:34   where like I can't do that i can do that [TS]

01:02:36   well and and then you sit down with some [TS]

01:02:38   reporters and they start immediately [TS]

01:02:39   asking you questions that are phrased in [TS]

01:02:41   a way to preach to prompt you to make [TS]

01:02:45   that kind of statement you know they say [TS]

01:02:47   well your opponent says this that and [TS]

01:02:49   the other [TS]

01:02:50   how how how do you respond and let's go [TS]

01:02:54   well I'm happy for my opponents all of [TS]

01:02:57   them i think it's very hard to come up [TS]

01:02:59   with things to say [TS]

01:03:00   anyway do you have a question about what [TS]

01:03:01   I'm about or right and you know it's [TS]

01:03:04   it's very much like the music business [TS]

01:03:06   when you first start off as a band [TS]

01:03:08   everybody you talk to that has been in [TS]

01:03:12   the music business for a little while is [TS]

01:03:13   like listen you need to get a you need [TS]

01:03:15   to get a press release or you need to [TS]

01:03:16   get a you guys need to go stand in front [TS]

01:03:18   of a brick wall next to a train track [TS]

01:03:20   and smoke cigarettes and get some photos [TS]

01:03:21   taken and you're like okay and so you go [TS]

01:03:24   down and stand on the train tracks next [TS]

01:03:26   to a brick wall smoking cigarettes get [TS]

01:03:27   your photos taken and then you put those [TS]

01:03:30   out and then somebody says you guys got [TS]

01:03:33   press photos taken in front of a brick [TS]

01:03:35   wall next to some train tracks [TS]

01:03:37   you're idiots that's the biggest please [TS]

01:03:39   share in the world you need to get [TS]

01:03:40   something cool you need to get something [TS]

01:03:41   different [TS]

01:03:42   why don't you get a press photo taken [TS]

01:03:44   where you jumping up in the air and then [TS]

01:03:46   you're like oh that sounds good and you [TS]

01:03:48   do that and then you know you get a [TS]

01:03:49   little further down the road and [TS]

01:03:50   somebody's like yet jumping up in the [TS]

01:03:52   air press photos almost as bad as train [TS]

01:03:54   tracks and everybody's trying to tell [TS]

01:03:56   you that you need you know this person's [TS]

01:03:57   like you have too many weird time [TS]

01:03:59   signatures in your music you need to [TS]

01:04:00   straighten it out this person's like [TS]

01:04:02   music too straight you need to have some [TS]

01:04:03   interesting time signatures everybody's [TS]

01:04:05   of an expert and a lot of bands go [TS]

01:04:09   through that process and get ground up [TS]

01:04:11   and turned into a kind of hamburger that [TS]

01:04:15   that is trying to feed the masses and [TS]

01:04:18   then every once in a while a band comes [TS]

01:04:20   along that's just like no I we're not [TS]

01:04:22   going to do that we're going to do our [TS]

01:04:24   thing [TS]

01:04:25   and it becomes a huge hit in spite of [TS]

01:04:28   everyone saying that there's no chance [TS]

01:04:30   for because the people the people in [TS]

01:04:32   this happens all the time of TV shows [TS]

01:04:33   today where there are these you see like [TS]

01:04:35   so many TV shows that are on social [TS]

01:04:38   networks that are so derivative of other [TS]

01:04:40   shows there's an CBS is basically just [TS]

01:04:43   it's just this is just one kind of show [TS]

01:04:46   that they like to make and then you get [TS]

01:04:47   something comes along maybe on netflix [TS]

01:04:49   or AMC intervals will of course most [TS]

01:04:51   obvious thing in the world like why [TS]

01:04:52   wouldn't I when you have a show about [TS]

01:04:54   women in prison like that's it but [TS]

01:04:56   somebody had to make a really courageous [TS]

01:04:57   sleep past a lot of people who wanted to [TS]

01:04:59   executive produce their life in order to [TS]

01:05:01   come up with an idea that was that [TS]

01:05:03   outside the box and then actually see it [TS]

01:05:05   through to fruition and have it be good [TS]

01:05:06   my god talk about you know degrees of [TS]

01:05:09   difficulty [TS]

01:05:10   it's really gnarly and-and-and it and [TS]

01:05:14   yet I mean I have a lot of experience [TS]

01:05:15   taking a lot of advice from people and [TS]

01:05:19   saying okay well i'm just going to do [TS]

01:05:22   this other thing you know and that and [TS]

01:05:25   I'm always reminded by I'm always [TS]

01:05:27   reminded of those those recordings of [TS]

01:05:30   JFK and his cabinet during the bay of [TS]

01:05:37   pigs have you listened to those [TS]

01:05:39   recordings [TS]

01:05:40   not if I heard some of the Johnson stuff [TS]

01:05:42   i'm not aware of those at all so their [TS]

01:05:44   recordings of them talking about the bay [TS]

01:05:47   of pigs as it's happening and Kennedy is [TS]

01:05:49   sitting in this room and there's all [TS]

01:05:51   these generals Curtis LeMay and all his [TS]

01:05:54   whole a brass his brother Bobby you know [TS]

01:05:59   Mick george bundy all the guys and [TS]

01:06:03   they're talking about the blockade and [TS]

01:06:08   they go around the room and the [TS]

01:06:09   consensus is that they are you know [TS]

01:06:14   counting down the hours until those [TS]

01:06:17   missiles in Cuba are active at which [TS]

01:06:21   point there's a total consensus that the [TS]

01:06:25   that that the Russians will launch those [TS]

01:06:28   missiles and so they are advocating for [TS]

01:06:33   a first strike [TS]

01:06:35   you're advocating that Kennedy launch [TS]

01:06:39   the missiles not just a Cuban Russia and [TS]

01:06:43   you know they're talking about 70 [TS]

01:06:45   million dead manageable amount of of [TS]

01:06:52   dead but the alternative to let those [TS]

01:06:55   missiles go live in Cuba would be to you [TS]

01:06:59   know to effectively seal the fate of all [TS]

01:07:03   americans and Kennedy is listening this [TS]

01:07:06   and his brother Bobby is also advocating [TS]

01:07:09   for a first strike and JFK keeps asking [TS]

01:07:15   questions and ultimately you know he's a [TS]

01:07:20   young president new to the job youngest [TS]

01:07:23   president in history at the time and all [TS]

01:07:27   of the big mines all the big shots are [TS]

01:07:29   telling him we need to we need to [TS]

01:07:31   preemptively nuke our enemies and he and [TS]

01:07:37   and Kennedy makes the decision no we're [TS]

01:07:40   going to we're going to open up a [TS]

01:07:42   back-channel phone line 22 the Russians [TS]

01:07:46   were going to call cruise ship on the [TS]

01:07:48   phone [TS]

01:07:48   we're gonna we're gonna stall we're [TS]

01:07:50   gonna take another option we're going to [TS]

01:07:52   take another hour to look at this and [TS]

01:07:55   it's an incredible you know Kennedy is [TS]

01:07:59   denigrated so much as a lightweight and [TS]

01:08:01   he wouldn't be a great president if he [TS]

01:08:02   hadn't been killed and all that you know [TS]

01:08:04   you hear all this terrible stuff about [TS]

01:08:06   Kennedy but in that moment that Bay of [TS]

01:08:08   Pigs moment I'm sorry not being pigs the [TS]

01:08:11   cuban missile crisis moment have I been [TS]

01:08:13   saying Bay of Pigs this entire he said [TS]

01:08:14   once but no yeah i know just talking [TS]

01:08:16   about cuban missile crisis moment like [TS]

01:08:19   he averted total disaster just by like [TS]

01:08:26   taking all the information and then [TS]

01:08:29   saying no let's not feeling i mean [TS]

01:08:32   that's that's so complicated because I [TS]

01:08:34   mean like you say young guy surrounded [TS]

01:08:36   by people who are smarter than him [TS]

01:08:38   you know all these all these generals [TS]

01:08:40   world war two generals right right but I [TS]

01:08:43   mean takes it takes it takes a lot of [TS]

01:08:44   courage i kinda like we're not too far [TS]

01:08:47   back what you're saying earlier about [TS]

01:08:48   the way reporter [TS]

01:08:49   can ask questions i think a lot of [TS]

01:08:52   what's wrong with this course today [TS]

01:08:53   sometimes is that we allow we agree to [TS]

01:08:56   even accept the premise of a question [TS]

01:08:59   when it's impossible to answer we feel [TS]

01:09:01   like we have to answer questions [TS]

01:09:02   somebody the classic have you stop [TS]

01:09:04   beating your wife like question where I [TS]

01:09:06   mean I think you know and again a lot of [TS]

01:09:08   people get around that by going so and [TS]

01:09:09   then answering a different question but [TS]

01:09:10   I mean the part of the problem is that [TS]

01:09:12   in that instance he not only didn't do [TS]

01:09:15   the one crazy thing everybody wanted to [TS]

01:09:17   do he didn't he also didn't feel like he [TS]

01:09:20   had to take any extreme action in order [TS]

01:09:23   to placate people or do the right thing [TS]

01:09:26   and doing what quote unquote nothing [TS]

01:09:28   takes a tremendous amount of courage [TS]

01:09:32   you know what I mean to not feel like [TS]

01:09:33   you even have to choose the options that [TS]

01:09:34   people are are giving you as the only [TS]

01:09:36   extreme options [TS]

01:09:38   well and and in particular like if he [TS]

01:09:42   had said all right let's do it let's [TS]

01:09:44   launch and people had come to end [TS]

01:09:50   history had come to him later and said [TS]

01:09:52   you killed 70 million people [TS]

01:09:55   how dare you or he could have said you [TS]

01:09:59   know everybody agreed it was a consensus [TS]

01:10:02   between all these great minds and I just [TS]

01:10:05   was you know I was the one that needed [TS]

01:10:07   to choose and I chose what all my [TS]

01:10:09   advisors were telling me to do if you [TS]

01:10:12   look at the other option which is that [TS]

01:10:14   he didn't do it and the Russians did [TS]

01:10:18   attack us and we were caught with our [TS]

01:10:20   pants down right and history said what [TS]

01:10:24   what were you thinking he had known [TS]

01:10:27   either case he's responsible for [TS]

01:10:28   millions of deaths in either case is [TS]

01:10:30   responsible for millions of death one of [TS]

01:10:32   which is his own people are destroyed [TS]

01:10:34   and in that instance he would have been [TS]

01:10:38   solely accountable and history would [TS]

01:10:42   have recorded like everybody told him to [TS]

01:10:44   do what should have been done and he [TS]

01:10:47   refused and we were destroyed as a [TS]

01:10:49   result like the risk is so much greater [TS]

01:10:52   for him to go against that council [TS]

01:10:56   because he would have been protected by [TS]

01:11:00   I can you know by the consensus [TS]

01:11:03   see would have been protected by group [TS]

01:11:04   think if he had just said you know what [TS]

01:11:05   all right let's just launched the [TS]

01:11:07   missiles such a simple thing such a [TS]

01:11:09   simple decision and he had the he had [TS]

01:11:12   the stones not to do it and to say no [TS]

01:11:17   and watch those generals and his own [TS]

01:11:19   brother file out of that room shaking [TS]

01:11:22   their heads [TS]

01:11:23   uh-huh you know muttering and saying you [TS]

01:11:25   fool [TS]

01:11:27   and here we are right where a cell with [TS]

01:11:32   that didn't happen nobody died and so [TS]

01:11:35   like you're saying I mean reporters want [TS]

01:11:37   there to be a fight [TS]

01:11:38   the people want there to be a fight [TS]

01:11:40   because that's what people understand [TS]

01:11:42   this guy's running against that one guy [TS]

01:11:44   when are they going to fight and I'm [TS]

01:11:47   just not interested in and I want to put [TS]

01:11:49   out i want to put out ideas i want to [TS]

01:11:51   write i want to write papers about what [TS]

01:11:55   we can do i wanna i want to get that job [TS]

01:11:58   and do a good job at it and not have it [TS]

01:12:01   be and not and not have it be [TS]

01:12:05   characterized by needless contention [TS]

01:12:07   there's enough contention already in any [TS]

01:12:12   decision without without papering it [TS]

01:12:15   with like fighting just false fighting [TS]

01:12:20   so that's my first week it has been [TS]

01:12:26   really interesting and it has required [TS]

01:12:29   you know that I be really on my toes [TS]

01:12:32   because you sit down with the reporter [TS]

01:12:33   and they're like your opponent's [TS]

01:12:36   reportedly says that you have a fat but [TS]

01:12:39   how do you respond and to be like I'm [TS]

01:12:44   not sure that he did say that and you [TS]

01:12:48   know and I don't want to like be one of [TS]

01:12:50   those politicians that is that skirting [TS]

01:12:54   the tough questions but i'm going to [TS]

01:12:57   skirt the dumb questions and so let's [TS]

01:13:01   talk about transit and housing right I [TS]

01:13:05   always enjoyed that sounds like a heck [TS]

01:13:07   of a week and a lot lot to learn i am ok [TS]

01:13:09   i always enjoy listening and one thing [TS]

01:13:11   in particular Barney Frank but there are [TS]

01:13:13   other people like barney frank have been [TS]

01:13:14   in this racket for so long [TS]

01:13:16   that you can see they pass through many [TS]

01:13:19   I mean obviously the the level [TS]

01:13:21   experience there is just as tremendous [TS]

01:13:23   but they pass through so many cycles of [TS]

01:13:26   this stuff they've been they've seen it [TS]

01:13:27   so many times it's a good difference [TS]

01:13:29   between even a young in some cases [TS]

01:13:30   presidential candidate but you see even [TS]

01:13:32   Young candidate for president younger [TS]

01:13:34   and now in this case the guy announced [TS]

01:13:36   today he's younger than me which isn't [TS]

01:13:38   anyone finding others about grapes [TS]

01:13:39   really weird but but you know but they [TS]

01:13:41   still feel the need to be rolled real [TS]

01:13:43   fired up in the way that they answered [TS]

01:13:45   and like I you know I i have gases [TS]

01:13:48   partly why is like this he's been around [TS]

01:13:49   a long time he's had a lot to put up [TS]

01:13:51   with [TS]

01:13:51   he's had a lot in the past that he [TS]

01:13:53   didn't want to be public but then he got [TS]

01:13:54   through the crucible of that but [TS]

01:13:56   something Barney Frank no matter what [TS]

01:13:57   you ask him he's unflappable yeah and [TS]

01:13:59   it's not flammable in a way that he [TS]

01:14:01   doesn't care [TS]

01:14:02   it's in a way that he's seen all of your [TS]

01:14:05   country before we like this is not his [TS]

01:14:07   first magic rodeo like he's senior [TS]

01:14:10   wizard tricks many times before and he's [TS]

01:14:12   just he's not even he doesn't even need [TS]

01:14:13   to fight back [TS]

01:14:14   it's just he's gonna answer and he's [TS]

01:14:16   going to be effective and on point and [TS]

01:14:18   answering any relevant questions but in [TS]

01:14:20   a way that's that's constructive and [TS]

01:14:22   just watching somebody do that to me [TS]

01:14:24   it's like watching a magic trick [TS]

01:14:26   yeah it seems impossibly difficult [TS]

01:14:27   especially when you're new when Al [TS]

01:14:30   Franken is another example of a guy who [TS]

01:14:33   has you know there's so many politicians [TS]

01:14:36   that are so brittle you ask them a [TS]

01:14:38   question right and they're just like so [TS]

01:14:41   tense and and and get emotional at you [TS]

01:14:45   even ask that question [TS]

01:14:46   yeah and that becomes part of their [TS]

01:14:47   stick yeah nicely so really is he got so [TS]

01:14:50   polished so fast and he seems very [TS]

01:14:53   resilient because he's heard at all [TS]

01:14:56   right i mean that's the wonderful thing [TS]

01:14:58   about coming at politics from the arts [TS]

01:15:00   like is there an insult that Al Franken [TS]

01:15:03   hasn't heard mean he said in the center [TS]

01:15:06   Night Live writers room like he's heard [TS]

01:15:09   at all and so he he's got a story to [TS]

01:15:13   tell and you're not going to dislodge [TS]

01:15:15   him so easily right he's not going to [TS]

01:15:18   join in some species fight or feel like [TS]

01:15:22   his [TS]

01:15:23   core values are being attacked he's [TS]

01:15:25   gonna you know he's like he's anxious to [TS]

01:15:29   tell tell the stories he understands it [TS]

01:15:31   so I mean all of this is a it's going to [TS]

01:15:37   be borne out throughout the course of [TS]

01:15:39   this campaign and i'm going to it's [TS]

01:15:41   going to be a struggle because there [TS]

01:15:42   will come a time [TS]

01:15:44   surely when someone attacks me and and [TS]

01:15:49   that and it may not be one of the other [TS]

01:15:50   candidates and maybe the newspaper or it [TS]

01:15:54   may be some political action committee [TS]

01:16:00   or it may be just a pot private citizen [TS]

01:16:02   but somebody is gonna somebody's going [TS]

01:16:07   to go after me and and i'm going to have [TS]

01:16:11   to continue to stay on the highroad just [TS]

01:16:16   because that's the only place that I'm [TS]

01:16:18   comfortable especially because most of [TS]

01:16:20   your responses are going to be strangely [TS]

01:16:24   public i mean in a way where if you went [TS]

01:16:26   to a Qantas breakfast with your dad in [TS]

01:16:31   the seventies and you encountered like a [TS]

01:16:34   trilateral commission guy like the way [TS]

01:16:36   that you respond to that person and [TS]

01:16:38   let's even say he's not even normal [TS]

01:16:40   Trilateral Commission let's say he's [TS]

01:16:41   like obviously unhinged you know there [TS]

01:16:43   are things you do when you talk two [TS]

01:16:44   crazy people for example that you talked [TS]

01:16:47   to them a certain way to like if you [TS]

01:16:48   don't escalate it and you don't want [TS]

01:16:50   them to freak out but you wouldn't [TS]

01:16:52   necessarily want what you said to them [TS]

01:16:53   to be your on-the-record remarks about [TS]

01:16:54   it because it's it's a one-on-one right [TS]

01:16:56   but like but in the cases of today like [TS]

01:17:00   you're constantly to everybody is [TS]

01:17:02   tacitly expected to respond to [TS]

01:17:04   everything publicly so even though it so [TS]

01:17:06   that means anyone and I like the [TS]

01:17:07   democracy of anybody having access I [TS]

01:17:09   don't like the democracy or the the non [TS]

01:17:11   democracy of being expected to have a [TS]

01:17:14   response for every person's every Nutter [TS]

01:17:18   idea right so just as one crazy this is [TS]

01:17:21   a totally crazy random example but this [TS]

01:17:23   guy am tutored at me the other day [TS]

01:17:25   guy or girl I think guy to get me of the [TS]

01:17:28   day saying something very disparaging [TS]

01:17:30   about somebody that i used to do it [TS]

01:17:32   a show with and was it was very very [TS]

01:17:35   aggressive and my one word response was [TS]

01:17:37   yikes to say about it [TS]

01:17:40   young and in short order this person [TS]

01:17:42   retweeted that to other accounts that i [TS]

01:17:45   am going to guess probably sock puppet [TS]

01:17:47   accounts with that person when i started [TS]

01:17:49   reading it I went and looked at this [TS]

01:17:51   person's twitter profile and with some [TS]

01:17:54   breaks presumably for hospitalization [TS]

01:17:56   it's nothing but months and months and [TS]

01:17:59   months of attacking this one guy that I [TS]

01:18:02   know well so it's it's real super weird [TS]

01:18:04   but I mean why am I telling you that [TS]

01:18:05   because because first of all there are [TS]

01:18:06   people out there who are nuts and we'll [TS]

01:18:08   just have a hard on for somebody they [TS]

01:18:10   just and that's just that's just their [TS]

01:18:12   thing you see what the gamergate stuff [TS]

01:18:13   you certainly see in politics but [TS]

01:18:14   suddenly you just get a hard-on for [TS]

01:18:16   somebody and like everything you do is [TS]

01:18:17   going to be a way to tear them down and [TS]

01:18:19   try to get other people drawn in to your [TS]

01:18:21   destruction and so in that instance I [TS]

01:18:24   mean I'm glad I said what I said which [TS]

01:18:26   is just yikes which is really mostly [TS]

01:18:27   just like wow that's really an extreme [TS]

01:18:29   thing to say to a stranger [TS]

01:18:31   yeah but if I had if I think about how [TS]

01:18:34   almost any other way i might have [TS]

01:18:36   handled that with me and just on a bad [TS]

01:18:39   day maybe I would have said something [TS]

01:18:40   sarcastic about that person who has a [TS]

01:18:43   certain kind of reputation but I would [TS]

01:18:44   never I would attack somebody that was a [TS]

01:18:46   little friend of mine that I don't show [TS]

01:18:47   with but you know in that case different [TS]

01:18:49   you know what I said to that nut in [TS]

01:18:52   public could be taken a completely crazy [TS]

01:18:54   way I guess I feel what I'm saying is [TS]

01:18:56   I'm saying obviously there's nuts out [TS]

01:18:57   there but also i'm really grateful that [TS]

01:18:58   i didn't accidentally say something [TS]

01:19:01   really advisable that would have been [TS]

01:19:03   been used to be to show that like I'm on [TS]

01:19:05   that guy side because that's the [TS]

01:19:07   conversation that you're having is in [TS]

01:19:09   public conversation no matter who you're [TS]

01:19:10   talking to [TS]

01:19:11   increasingly i'm sure you'll go to [TS]

01:19:13   pancake breakfast and baby kissing [TS]

01:19:14   contest but like a lot of you what you [TS]

01:19:16   do is going to be in front of other [TS]

01:19:17   people and as we all learn eventually [TS]

01:19:19   from social media no matter what you say [TS]

01:19:20   to one person is kind of implicitly not [TS]

01:19:23   only heard but somebody sometimes taken [TS]

01:19:26   by everybody it's as though you are [TS]

01:19:28   talking to them whatever tone you take [TS]

01:19:30   with one person is a tone you're [TS]

01:19:31   implicitly taken with everybody [TS]

01:19:33   well yeah and I had one this morning [TS]

01:19:36   we're uh somebody tweeted me please help [TS]

01:19:40   this homeless family link [TS]

01:19:43   and I i did the initial due diligence [TS]

01:19:50   where I went and looked at the looked at [TS]

01:19:54   whether that person was following me or [TS]

01:19:55   not and they weren't but now I and so [TS]

01:20:00   normally when somebody tweet something [TS]

01:20:02   at me and they're not following me i am [TS]

01:20:06   pretty suspicious right away you go to [TS]

01:20:08   their timeline but in this case because [TS]

01:20:12   i am I going to do this 10 times a day [TS]

01:20:13   right [TS]

01:20:14   I in this case i'm running play save [TS]

01:20:16   save this save this kid who has horrible [TS]

01:20:19   disease [TS]

01:20:20   please help this family and you go is [TS]

01:20:21   they don't follow you they have two [TS]

01:20:23   followers which is not a popularity [TS]

01:20:24   thing but indication that they're new [TS]

01:20:26   and in this thing and then it's just [TS]

01:20:28   dozens and dozens of the same tweet that [TS]

01:20:31   automatically went out when somebody [TS]

01:20:32   posted something [TS]

01:20:33   well and so this is but but but because [TS]

01:20:36   i'm running for office this changed my [TS]

01:20:38   normal thing which I normally would do [TS]

01:20:40   exactly as you just described but in [TS]

01:20:43   this case I was like oh I'd better go to [TS]

01:20:45   this link because this person maybe [TS]

01:20:47   isn't following me but he sent this to [TS]

01:20:49   me because because I'm a candidate and [TS]

01:20:55   I'll changing their pride get it i think [TS]

01:20:56   you're saying that you have to reprocess [TS]

01:20:58   that old way of dealing with that right [TS]

01:21:01   so i go to the site where the person [TS]

01:21:03   describes the fundraising that they're [TS]

01:21:06   trying to do and it feels a very [TS]

01:21:10   Nigerian scam but I'm like you know as a [TS]

01:21:14   key as a candidate I can't dismiss this [TS]

01:21:17   out of hand this could be someone who [TS]

01:21:19   has just moved to Seattle you know this [TS]

01:21:22   is a this I i am keeping my I'm keeping [TS]

01:21:26   the plausibility of this in play a lot [TS]

01:21:30   longer than I normally would and I read [TS]

01:21:32   the entire pitch and it doesn't feel [TS]

01:21:34   right but i'm still thinking like as a [TS]

01:21:39   candidate and so then having spent five [TS]

01:21:43   minutes on this site then I go look at [TS]

01:21:45   the twitter timeline and it's just as [TS]

01:21:48   you described it is a total spam account [TS]

01:21:51   they send the same link to 800 people [TS]

01:21:55   and then the only [TS]

01:21:57   personal tweets are just scraped from [TS]

01:22:00   eckhart tolle ease twitter account [TS]

01:22:04   alright just completely like unrelated [TS]

01:22:08   in a different voice random and then the [TS]

01:22:10   Twitter photos are too kind of blurry [TS]

01:22:13   pictures of a ten-year-old girl I mean [TS]

01:22:15   just randomly grab pictures of millions [TS]

01:22:18   and so but but I spent you know I spent [TS]

01:22:21   five minutes where I would have spent [TS]

01:22:24   five seconds before because i feel a [TS]

01:22:27   different responsibilities as a [TS]

01:22:28   candidate to you know i'm no longer just [TS]

01:22:32   a private citizen who is like well [TS]

01:22:34   you're a spammer go to hell I'm now like [TS]

01:22:38   oh you know I'm gonna I'm gonna do a lot [TS]

01:22:42   more research about things because I [TS]

01:22:44   can't not only can i not like afford to [TS]

01:22:52   but I don't want to be inaccessible in a [TS]

01:22:56   way that inaccessibility was part of my [TS]

01:22:59   survival mechanism as a musician but as [TS]

01:23:02   a candidate I can't be inaccessible in [TS]

01:23:06   that way and so I'm gonna spend a lot [TS]

01:23:08   more time reading spam accounts i guess [TS]

01:23:11   my tried trying to sort out the ones [TS]

01:23:14   that are better legit you don't go I [TS]

01:23:18   don't make this on dyer but it goes [TS]

01:23:21   that's a theme goes so far beyond that [TS]

01:23:23   because you're gonna through the [TS]

01:23:26   election and and if you're elected so [TS]

01:23:28   much of what you do is going to be [TS]

01:23:30   dealing with strangers whose personality [TS]

01:23:32   may not be compatible with the way that [TS]

01:23:36   you like to operate but now you're I [TS]

01:23:39   mean you're like a you are like a little [TS]

01:23:40   public office that anybody can walk into [TS]

01:23:42   you get you don't get to go you know I [TS]

01:23:44   don't like your attitude i'm going to [TS]

01:23:45   talk to somebody else if you could do [TS]

01:23:47   that but I but there are people who are [TS]

01:23:49   probably seeking redress are asking for [TS]

01:23:51   help on things were just kind of [TS]

01:23:52   unpleasant here or annoying or stinky [TS]

01:23:55   and like you're still going to have to [TS]

01:23:57   take them as seriously as as you want [TS]

01:23:58   anybody else to have come some better i [TS]

01:24:01   think the day I think what happens to [TS]

01:24:02   politicians is they either began to [TS]

01:24:08   think that the entire public is crazy [TS]

01:24:10   because the old [TS]

01:24:10   people to come to city council meetings [TS]

01:24:12   are our people with a grievance and it [TS]

01:24:15   feels that way sometimes or the [TS]

01:24:18   alternate people who are just there on a [TS]

01:24:19   future from school to watch how the [TS]

01:24:21   process works [TS]

01:24:22   yeah or just normal people that are like [TS]

01:24:23   oh yeah I have a question uh whatwhat's [TS]

01:24:27   that extremism at you know like [TS]

01:24:28   nobody-nobody engages quite that way but [TS]

01:24:34   the other the alternative is that as a [TS]

01:24:37   city councilman you you begin to think [TS]

01:24:40   that the that your real constituents are [TS]

01:24:43   the lawyers and lobbyists that mill [TS]

01:24:46   around afterwards and you know and kind [TS]

01:24:49   of like wink and nudge at one another [TS]

01:24:51   and i think that sounds like the new [TS]

01:24:54   backstage [TS]

01:24:55   yeah exactly and my advantage is that i [TS]

01:24:58   understand that most of the people in [TS]

01:25:01   the crowd do not stick around to get [TS]

01:25:04   their t-shirts signed and they don't [TS]

01:25:08   have backstage passes but they came to [TS]

01:25:10   the show and then they love the music [TS]

01:25:13   and may you know and they take away a [TS]

01:25:15   memory that you cannot you you can't [TS]

01:25:21   manipulate it you know that you're going [TS]

01:25:23   to put on a show they're going to watch [TS]

01:25:24   it and they're gonna walk out of there [TS]

01:25:25   with a feeling and that's not up to you [TS]

01:25:29   they're not going to give you a second [TS]

01:25:30   chance to talk them through it they're [TS]

01:25:33   gonna have a they're going to have a [TS]

01:25:35   feeling and that is true of the [TS]

01:25:37   electorate true [TS]

01:25:38   people are people are are generally like [TS]

01:25:42   quiet and yet also thoughtful and you [TS]

01:25:48   have to in public office represent those [TS]

01:25:50   people even though the people that you [TS]

01:25:53   meet everyday are either yelling at you [TS]

01:25:55   or winking at you and that you know and [TS]

01:26:01   keeping that awareness in the forefront [TS]

01:26:02   of your mind that most people are not [TS]

01:26:05   either one of those most people are just [TS]

01:26:08   busy with their own lives but they're [TS]

01:26:10   counting on you to do a good job so [TS]

01:26:14   that's good John get a long single for [TS]

01:26:18   that long but how [TS]

01:26:19   now for the love [TS]

01:26:21   of Christ can we talk about the chicken [TS]

01:26:24   here's how it works and i'll try and [TS]

01:26:26   find where i got this recipe from I [TS]

01:26:28   didn't invent this i found this and I've [TS]

01:26:30   just been working on it but here's what [TS]

01:26:31   it comes down to you know where we will [TS]

01:26:34   get a family and so we do stuff like we [TS]

01:26:36   buy chicken breasts from costco sure [TS]

01:26:38   ok you get a big bag of chicken breast [TS]

01:26:40   you can get them in the company's little [TS]

01:26:42   scored things you can break them up and [TS]

01:26:43   take out like a pie don't have to check [TS]

01:26:44   on the time [TS]

01:26:45   here's the moment you need heat you need [TS]

01:26:47   a pan like a saucepan or a rather a [TS]

01:26:49   wake-up call the frying pan [TS]

01:26:51   you know what are those called the big [TS]

01:26:52   ones yeah Frank you use a cast-iron pan [TS]

01:26:55   or does it have to be a nonstick um i [TS]

01:26:56   would go in a non-stick pan but you need [TS]

01:26:58   heat you need a pan with a lid Amy and [TS]

01:27:01   chicken [TS]

01:27:01   ok here's everything you need to know in [TS]

01:27:03   three steps ok ok ready for this I'm [TS]

01:27:06   ready [TS]

01:27:06   so you're going to heat up the pan to [TS]

01:27:10   medium depending on how hot your stove [TS]

01:27:13   is a medium to medium-high when it gets [TS]

01:27:15   the temperature with a little bit of oil [TS]

01:27:16   in there [TS]

01:27:17   what kind of oil whatever you like you [TS]

01:27:19   could you could use butter i tend to add [TS]

01:27:21   butter later for the easy one I just use [TS]

01:27:23   canola oil and you don't need a lot of [TS]

01:27:24   it because it'll get too wet that you [TS]

01:27:27   made me basically just want to have [TS]

01:27:28   something in there so they can scoot [TS]

01:27:29   around so step one you put the chicken [TS]

01:27:31   breasts in for one minute you're not [TS]

01:27:34   going exactly brown them together [TS]

01:27:35   they're gonna kind of brown a little bit [TS]

01:27:37   but one minute you have them in there [TS]

01:27:39   with it with the lid on don't have to be [TS]

01:27:42   in that case but then thank you good [TS]

01:27:44   question then step two [TS]

01:27:46   you're gonna flip those over and put the [TS]

01:27:49   lid on the pan and you let it just sit [TS]

01:27:52   there for 10 minutes [TS]

01:27:54   unlike a medium-low heat don't touch [TS]

01:27:57   them [TS]

01:27:58   don't touch them do not lift the lid [TS]

01:27:59   whatever you do at the end of that 10 [TS]

01:28:01   minutes you turn off the heat when you [TS]

01:28:05   let them sit there for another 10 [TS]

01:28:07   minutes room i have done this five times [TS]

01:28:10   now and they've never not been flawless [TS]

01:28:12   you could do anything I've done with [TS]

01:28:14   brian chicken I've done with hardly [TS]

01:28:16   anything on a chicken [TS]

01:28:17   I don't make herb chicken this way it [TS]

01:28:19   depends on what you like but I'm saying [TS]

01:28:20   I'm saying is you do not have to because [TS]

01:28:22   you want to be that guy sitting over the [TS]

01:28:23   for coconut your goddamn chicken you put [TS]

01:28:25   it in there he just Brown it you flip it [TS]

01:28:27   you let it sit and put it in the pan for [TS]

01:28:30   a minute okay [TS]

01:28:32   sort of brown it yeah yeah just a little [TS]

01:28:34   bit little bit little bit of heat it up [TS]

01:28:36   on the one side you're looking like [TS]

01:28:36   you're not gonna like fully brown it [TS]

01:28:38   you're just gonna kind of crisp it up a [TS]

01:28:39   little bit flip it over flip it over you [TS]

01:28:42   put the lid on went on for 10 minutes [TS]

01:28:44   you just ignore it [TS]

01:28:46   don't even think about it set a timer on [TS]

01:28:47   your phone ten minutes you're doing [TS]

01:28:48   something else you're reading a little [TS]

01:28:49   bit of a magazine and then you don't go [TS]

01:28:51   back [TS]

01:28:52   dad will get to put because that's time [TS]

01:28:53   on the iphone and then then 10 minutes [TS]

01:28:56   turn it off and it's such a great recipe [TS]

01:29:00   for men because we're stupid and we [TS]

01:29:03   filled with food while it's cooking and [TS]

01:29:05   like many my number 12 pretty much [TS]

01:29:07   anytime you cook meat is like don't play [TS]

01:29:09   with it never play with the meat [TS]

01:29:11   don't poke it don't product don't scoot [TS]

01:29:13   around you don't need to scoot around in [TS]

01:29:15   the pan just let it sit there it's gonna [TS]

01:29:17   be fine for modern pants you're taking [TS]

01:29:18   away all my cooking move haha its [TS]

01:29:22   scooted not now i understand as I sit [TS]

01:29:25   here today after all the weeks of build [TS]

01:29:26   up to the chicken recipe that this might [TS]

01:29:29   be a letdown but i would encourage you [TS]

01:29:30   to try this you might try it with [TS]

01:29:31   brining it doesn't it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:29:34   a letdown because the simplicity is so [TS]

01:29:36   simple [TS]

01:29:38   yeah that it feels like a it feels like [TS]

01:29:41   a thought revolution now only I let me [TS]

01:29:42   just give you the end I just I just want [TS]

01:29:44   to say i want to stick the landing so [TS]

01:29:46   you turn the heat off after 10 minutes [TS]

01:29:47   and then what happens [TS]

01:29:50   you still don't open the pan for 10 [TS]

01:29:51   minutes ten more minutes [TS]

01:29:53   yep you got browning you got 10 minutes [TS]

01:29:55   with the lid on on the heat turned the [TS]

01:29:57   heat off 10 minutes of waiting it sits [TS]

01:29:59   there do not lift the lid off because [TS]

01:30:01   now get a little bit of steam in action [TS]

01:30:03   which is not so bad for a chicken [TS]

01:30:05   so you are calling this Merlin's [TS]

01:30:06   21-minute chicken 21-minute chicken [TS]

01:30:12   that's got that kind of eight minute abs [TS]

01:30:14   kind of fail Merlin's 21-minute chicken [TS]

01:30:16   you put in for a minute you flip it you [TS]

01:30:18   cover it 10 minutes on the heat 10 [TS]

01:30:20   minutes off the heat [TS]

01:30:21   yeah Romans 21 I got the recipe off the [TS]

01:30:24   internet but I can I you know people [TS]

01:30:25   still recipes every day i'll try to find [TS]

01:30:27   this recipe and I will say to us before [TS]

01:30:28   you try this for a large group of people [TS]

01:30:30   test it out with the way you like to [TS]

01:30:32   cook chicken the way you like to season [TS]

01:30:33   it and then like how hot your oven is [TS]

01:30:35   because you know obviously they're all [TS]

01:30:36   over the map we were very low BTU of [TS]

01:30:38   your talking about your are you talk [TS]

01:30:40   about another are you talking about a [TS]

01:30:41   range arrange and rearrange yeah now I [TS]

01:30:45   let me ask you this will that work with [TS]

01:30:47   a steak [TS]

01:30:50   I'll tell you what I do with the steak [TS]

01:30:51   talking about a thick steak let's start [TS]

01:30:53   with a thick stick [TS]

01:30:54   well here's what i do with a thick state [TS]

01:30:55   state i get the pan super hot soup if [TS]

01:30:58   you're gonna make an inside the house [TS]

01:31:00   take what i do i make i get the pants [TS]

01:31:02   super hot i unplug the the smoke [TS]

01:31:03   detector as i'm doing alright and then [TS]

01:31:06   depending on how you like to make this i [TS]

01:31:07   would say heat the oven up the inside of [TS]

01:31:09   it like about 350 because you're gonna [TS]

01:31:11   need that in a minute and what you do is [TS]

01:31:13   you brown the steak on each side without [TS]

01:31:16   mother without you without what season [TS]

01:31:18   it throw it on there with not too much [TS]

01:31:19   stuff knots it could be it needs to be [TS]

01:31:23   pretty hot because you wanna get a good [TS]

01:31:24   sear on there and then you finish it in [TS]

01:31:27   the oven finish it yeah-huh tree like a [TS]

01:31:30   little like a tiny roast it depends on [TS]

01:31:32   how you like it some people you might [TS]

01:31:33   want to 50 if you want to its low i [TS]

01:31:35   think 354 not very long and here's the [TS]

01:31:38   thing how you know it's done [TS]

01:31:39   it smells like food if it doesn't smell [TS]

01:31:40   like food yet it's not food row [TS]

01:31:43   mm-hmm if it smells like food it's [TS]

01:31:46   probably food we don't sell food it's [TS]

01:31:48   not food yet i'm gonna go down I'm gonna [TS]

01:31:50   go to a washer Maya right now but [TS]

01:31:52   supermarket across the street and I'm [TS]

01:31:53   gonna get us a sweatshirt not a hoodie [TS]

01:31:55   but just a normal old fashioned [TS]

01:31:58   sweatshirt with the with with iron on [TS]

01:32:00   letters that says it smells like food is [TS]

01:32:02   probably don't poke it [TS]

01:32:05   don't play with it don't scoot around [TS]

01:32:07   don't scoot it don't squeeze it [TS]

01:32:09   it's just just put it in there and you [TS]

01:32:11   you will get a feel for it you know [TS]

01:32:13   that's it's a wish to a cooking segment [TS]

01:32:15   I'm just saying I i think that could [TS]

01:32:17   help a lot of people I've just learned [TS]

01:32:18   about brining small-scale brining yeah [TS]

01:32:20   and it's pretty fun cause you know about [TS]

01:32:21   big grinding wheel bearing like a turkey [TS]

01:32:23   or something [TS]

01:32:24   part of my campaign is that I'm against [TS]

01:32:26   big Brian [TS]

01:32:29   ok [TS]