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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 164: "In Your Face, Paraguay"

 

00:00:00   this episode of Roderick online is [TS]

00:00:01   sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04   month they asked Jonathan man to help me [TS]

00:00:06   say hi to john terms time was it [TS]

00:00:23   hello hello Marilyn Rajic online [TS]

00:00:31   hello hello hello rather gonna live Bob [TS]

00:00:36   Robert online bomb that's good bump to [TS]

00:00:40   cover you know is that right yeah that's [TS]

00:00:43   our song this month [TS]

00:00:44   oh I love it already it's pretty catchy [TS]

00:00:46   it is M some candy songwriter figured [TS]

00:00:51   out a good cadence for our name em it's [TS]

00:00:54   a gift [TS]

00:00:55   I've come online i got hello hello [TS]

00:00:59   that's what we say that's what he says [TS]

00:01:01   he's he said something about grabbing [TS]

00:01:03   your turpentine we look a little bit of [TS]

00:01:04   a throwaway wait a minute [TS]

00:01:06   well you know we have never talked about [TS]

00:01:09   turpentine I slugging percentage how r [TS]

00:01:11   use the big week huh oh yeah that's [TS]

00:01:14   right to you tomorrow is election day [TS]

00:01:16   oh my god em how even in this is what [TS]

00:01:21   may [TS]

00:01:22   no no I mean you know is let's see I [TS]

00:01:25   mean obviously you've been preparing [TS]

00:01:27   your whole life but well I don't know [TS]

00:01:29   about that either but up but I so i [TS]

00:01:31   started talking about it is two people [TS]

00:01:39   probably in january and then bye-bye [TS]

00:01:43   March it was fully you know people [TS]

00:01:46   people were rallying i was i was [TS]

00:01:50   rallying and then we declared in second [TS]

00:01:54   week of april so when did the super PAC [TS]

00:01:57   get formed super PAC is still forming [TS]

00:02:00   the thing is you know you're not allowed [TS]

00:02:03   to be directly involved with that right [TS]

00:02:04   i cant and unlike other super PACs this [TS]

00:02:06   one truly is super because a the number [TS]

00:02:10   of nerds that support my campaign [TS]

00:02:12   actually form a kind of Hall of Justice [TS]

00:02:15   if you will and Hawkman yeah yeah does [TS]

00:02:21   and they're working on their invisible [TS]

00:02:23   plane right now [TS]

00:02:24   they have to build a crystal cathedral [TS]

00:02:27   m1a1 man she gets all the good stuff she [TS]

00:02:30   does yeah and the crystal cathedral also [TS]

00:02:33   great that was for sale at some point [TS]

00:02:35   they turned into a mall what happened [TS]

00:02:37   that is that right i can't imagine that [TS]

00:02:39   they wouldn't that they would [TS]

00:02:40   deconsecrated well there were problems [TS]

00:02:43   there were problems leaky roof anymore [TS]

00:02:47   well you know nobody said crystal is [TS]

00:02:49   going to be waterproof mm I don't know [TS]

00:02:50   but in the Reverend Schuler past [TS]

00:02:53   yeah and then I think his son took over [TS]

00:02:54   and i think it turned into like an [TS]

00:02:56   orange julius oh i see i'm not sure i [TS]

00:02:59   haven't kept up and read the trades [TS]

00:03:00   actually you know no one said crystal [TS]

00:03:03   was going to be waterproof was actually [TS]

00:03:05   that was the that was the working slogan [TS]

00:03:07   for a sex worker and you as a fact that [TS]

00:03:10   rose McCaskey Paul oh I think about the [TS]

00:03:14   same person [TS]

00:03:15   it's wrong my friends oh man big week [TS]

00:03:18   big week and welcome back it's been so [TS]

00:03:21   long since I talked to you I missed you [TS]

00:03:23   and you were gone I was worried about [TS]

00:03:26   you and what you're talking about that I [TS]

00:03:28   wasn't replying to your text so then I [TS]

00:03:31   was worried that you were worried all [TS]

00:03:34   those two so much worried you know you [TS]

00:03:37   were out of your comfort you were out of [TS]

00:03:38   your ears place you were somewhere else [TS]

00:03:41   and I was just I was anxious for you [TS]

00:03:43   oh thank you thank you there's good [TS]

00:03:45   reason um ya know I IE had to go to [TS]

00:03:49   three different to three different [TS]

00:03:50   places don't like throw-up excited [TS]

00:03:53   travel and do you know what my inner [TS]

00:03:56   Merlin is already rejecting this [TS]

00:03:58   possibility you know i just got a notice [TS]

00:04:01   less i got it i just got notice things [TS]

00:04:04   less than i do fine you know now he was [TS]

00:04:06   fine i am you know it was pretty good we [TS]

00:04:09   had some family time with the you know [TS]

00:04:11   family on the East Coast and they're [TS]

00:04:13   great i had to go to pdx is back in town [TS]

00:04:15   for 36 hours and then went to pdx for my [TS]

00:04:18   days [TS]

00:04:18   mmm got Pendleton shirt pretty excited [TS]

00:04:21   about just let's go yeah is it a is it [TS]

00:04:23   doesn't picture [TS]

00:04:23   no I got it big may say the Pendleton [TS]

00:04:27   board shirt is wool and yet it is [TS]

00:04:29   machine washable [TS]

00:04:30   that's right and I want this to be I [TS]

00:04:32   want this to be a 20-year shirt so I got [TS]

00:04:34   a big because i figure i'll watch it [TS]

00:04:35   sometimes [TS]

00:04:36   yeah well [TS]

00:04:37   that you've got it you've gotta you [TS]

00:04:38   gotta get a penalty shot a little bit [TS]

00:04:40   that's the tradition but you actually [TS]

00:04:42   can wash those things and put them in [TS]

00:04:45   the dryer and the shrinkage is minimal [TS]

00:04:47   understand anything anymore between [TS]

00:04:49   sous-vide and washable wall completely [TS]

00:04:51   lost but I look like Harry Potter in the [TS]

00:04:53   first movie like wearing his step [TS]

00:04:55   brother is a you know adopted brothers [TS]

00:04:57   clothes and if you just huge on me i [TS]

00:04:59   never saw the harry potter movies never [TS]

00:05:01   seen any of them know is that something [TS]

00:05:03   I should do is it twice [TS]

00:05:05   well you know I learned from the 16 [TS]

00:05:08   hours of programming did with dan I'm [TS]

00:05:10   didn't learn i'm reminded about how much [TS]

00:05:13   you're interested in the magics yeah [TS]

00:05:16   that's right [TS]

00:05:17   proof that we should let's wait till the [TS]

00:05:19   primary server but I won't talk about [TS]

00:05:21   that more [TS]

00:05:21   abracadabra I think about it a lot but [TS]

00:05:24   uh you know I'm there they're all good i [TS]

00:05:26   would say if you want one and only one [TS]

00:05:29   watch the third one [TS]

00:05:31   wow so just go right into the third one [TS]

00:05:34   I don't even need to learn the rules of [TS]

00:05:36   Quidditch i'll figure that out along the [TS]

00:05:38   way which is the biggest scam inclusive [TS]

00:05:41   including stadium deals all we're going [TS]

00:05:42   skating history of sports [TS]

00:05:44   we're gonna get so many angry technology [TS]

00:05:46   about this book which is it's a total [TS]

00:05:48   scam it's a scam am so I'm on my way [TS]

00:05:51   down here i was thinking about this [TS]

00:05:52   movie project that I've been working on [TS]

00:05:54   for a long time [TS]

00:05:55   ok screenplay that I've been you know [TS]

00:05:58   they're mowing over which is a which is [TS]

00:06:02   basically it is its neighborhood stick [TS]

00:06:05   fights as a which we've talked about [TS]

00:06:08   many times [TS]

00:06:09   oh yeah neighborhood stick fights as a [TS]

00:06:11   as a an organizing principle of the [TS]

00:06:16   future society it's like the kind of [TS]

00:06:19   games meet the warriors [TS]

00:06:20   yeah well in the sense that you know [TS]

00:06:22   hunger games is the reason that I guess [TS]

00:06:25   that it's popular well is that it's you [TS]

00:06:27   know it's populated with cute people but [TS]

00:06:31   but you know how hungry there's a blurb [TS]

00:06:34   Hunger Games turns on the idea that [TS]

00:06:38   people are forced by a controlling and [TS]

00:06:42   dystopian future society to fight in [TS]

00:06:45   this arena against one another and the [TS]

00:06:48   and and the heroine is always [TS]

00:06:50   protecting the weekend shot you know and [TS]

00:06:52   use in fighting they're fighting off a [TS]

00:06:54   certain kind of municipal original sin [TS]

00:06:56   basically they are there any these kids [TS]

00:07:00   have to fight as tribute because they [TS]

00:07:03   there was rebellious at one time that's [TS]

00:07:05   right that's right this is their [TS]

00:07:06   punishment and this is how they keep the [TS]

00:07:08   beekeeper rebellion down in the [TS]

00:07:10   provinces or whatever but but but my [TS]

00:07:12   premise is that neighborhood stick [TS]

00:07:14   fighting is something that a free [TS]

00:07:17   society would willingly and [TS]

00:07:19   enthusiastically enter into ok this is [TS]

00:07:23   what kind of games meets your company [TS]

00:07:25   softball team [TS]

00:07:26   yeah or like you know or the longest [TS]

00:07:28   yard [TS]

00:07:29   what was the football game that took [TS]

00:07:31   place in prison that was the longest [TS]

00:07:32   yard [TS]

00:07:33   there we go against mr. Burt Reynolds [TS]

00:07:35   that's right so it's I mean that may be [TS]

00:07:37   the longest yard is a bad example but [TS]

00:07:38   you know but but they are but but the [TS]

00:07:41   idea being that people would would [TS]

00:07:43   self-organize into tribes they already [TS]

00:07:46   do like on the weigh-in today so the [TS]

00:07:49   blue angels and all the Seafarer [TS]

00:07:51   airplanes are all getting out of Dodge [TS]

00:07:53   today they're all kind of you know like [TS]

00:07:54   the party's over and Boeing Field justly [TS]

00:07:58   yeah okay [TS]

00:08:00   boeing field two days ago was just like [TS]

00:08:03   a it was a menagerie of all the [TS]

00:08:06   different kinds of airplanes that were [TS]

00:08:07   three different performing air show [TS]

00:08:10   squadrons there was a there was a Marine [TS]

00:08:15   Corps osprey there were biplanes and you [TS]

00:08:19   know just the whole just the camp train [TS]

00:08:22   of followers that chase the blue angels [TS]

00:08:24   around and they're all getting out of [TS]

00:08:26   here and so the like all weekend long [TS]

00:08:31   all along boeing field there's been a a [TS]

00:08:33   collection of airplane nerds who park [TS]

00:08:36   their trucks and basically tailgate next [TS]

00:08:39   to the airport just to watch the plane's [TS]

00:08:43   take off and land in some ways the most [TS]

00:08:46   exciting part of any flight is the [TS]

00:08:49   take-off of the landing but also in [TS]

00:08:52   another way [TS]

00:08:53   not at all is that the most exciting [TS]

00:08:55   part and suddenly NASCAR is that when [TS]

00:08:58   you're most likely have a rack [TS]

00:08:59   yeah that's right that's where all the [TS]

00:09:00   that's where all the other tracks [TS]

00:09:01   happened on the ground but you know [TS]

00:09:03   watching a bunch [TS]

00:09:04   airplanes coming and flair and touchdown [TS]

00:09:06   it's like we got there but you know in [TS]

00:09:09   seattle city of of let's say the general [TS]

00:09:12   areas got a million people are so that's [TS]

00:09:15   enough to put 50 people down a million [TS]

00:09:18   people will generate between 1,500 [TS]

00:09:20   people who just want to watch planes [TS]

00:09:21   take off and land and some of them are [TS]

00:09:23   those people with the big white lenses [TS]

00:09:25   on their cameras who are obviously [TS]

00:09:26   taking pictures to sell em to James [TS]

00:09:30   aircraft manual if they still make that [TS]

00:09:33   but as I'm driving in so i'm driving [TS]

00:09:37   along and i see that i see the airplane [TS]

00:09:39   people who it's now it's just the drip [TS]

00:09:41   drip sand drags of them maybe there's 15 [TS]

00:09:45   or 20 left [TS]

00:09:47   who are the blue angels are gone now [TS]

00:09:49   they're just watching like that there [TS]

00:09:51   will be there watching the experimental [TS]

00:09:53   ultralights take off and the end and I'm [TS]

00:09:56   thinking like there's a self-selecting [TS]

00:09:58   group of people who care about a certain [TS]

00:10:01   aspect of airplane culture and this is [TS]

00:10:05   how they're spending their monday [TS]

00:10:06   morning and then I i drove through [TS]

00:10:08   georgetown and pass the bus stop and at [TS]

00:10:11   the bus stop there were there is a small [TS]

00:10:13   group of people who looked like they had [TS]

00:10:16   wandered out of a comic con right they [TS]

00:10:22   had the whole have the whole look but [TS]

00:10:24   one of them might have been in a utility [TS]

00:10:25   kilt there was a guy with a sort of [TS]

00:10:28   dishwater blonde ponytail their their [TS]

00:10:34   jackets had lots of buttons and badges [TS]

00:10:36   on them [TS]

00:10:36   somebody might have had a stuffed animal [TS]

00:10:38   on a lanyard around their neck pretty [TS]

00:10:44   sure there was a there was a my little [TS]

00:10:47   pony component to someone's socks and [TS]

00:10:52   I'm like okay now there's another group [TS]

00:10:53   of people self-selecting into a little [TS]

00:10:57   tribe [TS]

00:10:58   I don't know why they're here why [TS]

00:10:59   they're waiting at this bus stop where [TS]

00:11:01   they would have come from where they're [TS]

00:11:02   going and then I started thinking about [TS]

00:11:04   my stick fighting screenplay [TS]

00:11:07   mhm is the way like the Warriors part I [TS]

00:11:10   like the idea of the year whatever group [TS]

00:11:12   you're coming together with there's a [TS]

00:11:14   strong brand presence strong brand [TS]

00:11:15   that's exactly right the warrior [TS]

00:11:17   is it is a perfect example right you [TS]

00:11:19   don't fuck with the Wong's that's right [TS]

00:11:21   for you get those baseball guys baseball [TS]

00:11:23   furies yeah the guys in the in the in [TS]

00:11:25   the silca the like the silk suits up and [TS]

00:11:31   so I'm thinking but here's the here's [TS]

00:11:33   the question for you and this is this is [TS]

00:11:35   this is something I feel like we should [TS]

00:11:37   pose to our to our listeners there have [TS]

00:11:42   to be some combat rules right you don't [TS]

00:11:45   want to just be because if there weren't [TS]

00:11:48   any combat rules right the snipers would [TS]

00:11:50   win every time [TS]

00:11:52   oh right right now right you can't just [TS]

00:11:54   have each kid just like it's it can't [TS]

00:11:56   just be a free-for-all [TS]

00:11:57   let's never was never intended to be a [TS]

00:11:58   fight to the death that's why it's a [TS]

00:12:00   stick fight stick fight that's right but [TS]

00:12:02   like but so there needs to be combat [TS]

00:12:05   rules that those combat rules need to [TS]

00:12:07   also incorporate modern technology [TS]

00:12:11   because some of the tribes are going to [TS]

00:12:14   be technologists oh IC right so if you [TS]

00:12:17   just like ups are you can only fight [TS]

00:12:18   with sticks [TS]

00:12:19   there's going to be some group of people [TS]

00:12:21   that work as engineers for blue origins [TS]

00:12:24   for instance who are going to be like [TS]

00:12:26   we've invented a better stick and our [TS]

00:12:29   stick is made out of this and it [TS]

00:12:31   performs the following way and this way [TS]

00:12:34   it becomes a little bit like the robot [TS]

00:12:35   wars like the road was the weather [TS]

00:12:37   wouldn't make a little robot find [TS]

00:12:38   another robot em right you but their [TS]

00:12:40   rules their together gotta be rules you [TS]

00:12:42   can we could be a weight thing it could [TS]

00:12:44   be a material thing but they're gonna [TS]

00:12:45   hack on that with technology to make a [TS]

00:12:47   better stick that's right and they're [TS]

00:12:48   going to be some people that you know [TS]

00:12:50   they're gonna be like i imagine one [TS]

00:12:52   component of the of the of the the nerd [TS]

00:12:54   stick fight quadrant are going to be [TS]

00:12:58   like the dwarves or whatever like the [TS]

00:13:00   there gonna be a bunch of bearded guys [TS]

00:13:02   who like to dress like dwarves in Lord [TS]

00:13:04   of the Rings not that little people not [TS]

00:13:06   miners and forgers yeah right and [TS]

00:13:09   they're gonna be they're gonna be like [TS]

00:13:10   uh probably [TS]

00:13:12   normal normal size adult people but who [TS]

00:13:14   really admire the dwarf aesthetic ok [TS]

00:13:17   right they get the kind of chainmail [TS]

00:13:20   leather long braided beards long hair [TS]

00:13:24   right you and what strange to me as i [TS]

00:13:27   never have seen a group of six or seven [TS]

00:13:30   fully grown adult men rocking that look [TS]

00:13:34   traveling together as a tribe a clutch [TS]

00:13:37   of dwarves like that i cannot clutch i [TS]

00:13:39   guess but a handful of dwarves [TS]

00:13:41   yeah but would you call a group of of [TS]

00:13:43   fighting dwarves a teacup no no a [TS]

00:13:49   tempest I'm frustrated whoops yeah I [TS]

00:13:52   have to think about it but I either so [TS]

00:13:54   much to like about this this is [TS]

00:13:56   something that this is something else [TS]

00:13:57   get this way more thought the night then [TS]

00:13:58   I realized well you know it's a bit [TS]

00:14:00   it's a 15-minute drive in i mean there's [TS]

00:14:02   a lot of time to think so but then it [TS]

00:14:04   occurred to me if I'm writing a [TS]

00:14:05   screenplay right I wanted to be [TS]

00:14:07   realistic and so I would what we would [TS]

00:14:09   have to do is we would have to establish [TS]

00:14:10   a set of rules for combat and then [TS]

00:14:13   imagine through the course of the [TS]

00:14:16   history of this neighborhood stick [TS]

00:14:19   fighting culture where different groups [TS]

00:14:22   had hacked the rules and corollary rules [TS]

00:14:27   had been imposed to accommodate you know [TS]

00:14:30   or 22 like Raina min and so you know you [TS]

00:14:33   want you want the rules of combat to not [TS]

00:14:35   be to not be too arcane but they also [TS]

00:14:38   have to reflect you know they have to [TS]

00:14:42   kind of reflect the evolution of the [TS]

00:14:44   game right something specifically about [TS]

00:14:46   baseball and how the game has changed [TS]

00:14:48   over time as they change the ball there [TS]

00:14:50   was a time when I guess it was probably [TS]

00:14:51   going to do a spitball and they said you [TS]

00:14:53   know what you know I'll do that anymore [TS]

00:14:54   that's not that that's not fair [TS]

00:14:56   that's right can't do that what do you [TS]

00:14:57   have to level it or you know you change [TS]

00:14:58   like you know the higher the goalposts [TS]

00:15:00   you standardize things for neighborhood [TS]

00:15:01   stick fight to really catch on to become [TS]

00:15:03   viral if you like it has to be some [TS]

00:15:05   consistency between the different [TS]

00:15:06   neighborhoods right i mean when they [TS]

00:15:07   change the height of the goalposts and [TS]

00:15:09   baseball that really altered the way the [TS]

00:15:10   game was hard to get a hat-trick so I [TS]

00:15:13   feel like I feel like that's something [TS]

00:15:15   that you know I would i think i would [TS]

00:15:17   call Neal Stephenson or something and [TS]

00:15:19   say like how would you imagine could you [TS]

00:15:22   imagine could you imagine ate the [TS]

00:15:25   assuming that neighborhood stick [TS]

00:15:27   fighting was something that we were 80 [TS]

00:15:29   years into right we've been we've been [TS]

00:15:31   doing this for a while I guess the [TS]

00:15:33   world-building yeah that's right in the [TS]

00:15:35   web and the stick fighting had been [TS]

00:15:36   happening in the early days were scrappy [TS]

00:15:38   and there were some people some fans [TS]

00:15:40   that were like it's not like it used to [TS]

00:15:42   be boy stick fighting you [TS]

00:15:43   to be really awesome before they put in [TS]

00:15:46   you know the onside fly rule or whatever [TS]

00:15:49   but now you know it become more and more [TS]

00:15:51   professionalized I keep imagining [TS]

00:15:52   backstage at the neighborhood stick [TS]

00:15:56   fight championship where all the [TS]

00:15:57   different groups you know there's the [TS]

00:15:59   there's the monks semester it's really [TS]

00:16:02   like the one that's when I look at that [TS]

00:16:04   link i sent you haha I'm just rewriting [TS]

00:16:06   the yeah check out that link it is a [TS]

00:16:08   page dedicated to all of the gangs of [TS]

00:16:11   the Warriors oh my god so I'm so happy [TS]

00:16:14   already the electric eliminators you got [TS]

00:16:16   the gladiators I think you might be [TS]

00:16:17   thinking of poppers they were purple [TS]

00:16:20   hats and that's what's that's right the [TS]

00:16:22   barbers that's right that is all furious [TS]

00:16:23   and what I always forget it forget about [TS]

00:16:25   the hi-hats all the hi-hat come on their [TS]

00:16:28   minds they're so good they're so good [TS]

00:16:32   watching them go through the turnstile [TS]

00:16:34   watching the hi-hats go through the [TS]

00:16:35   turnstile and then the yeah the baseball [TS]

00:16:38   furies inhabit hons that the 17 hundred [TS]

00:16:41   from chinatown em so let me let me ask [TS]

00:16:45   you this though [TS]

00:16:46   so for instance taser let's say you take [TS]

00:16:50   a Taser in taser doesn't kill people at [TS]

00:16:53   a distance really it doesn't hurt him at [TS]

00:16:55   a distance that's one of the things like [TS]

00:16:57   I don't want I don't want I don't want [TS]

00:16:58   weapons that allow you to 2 is no [TS]

00:17:01   there's no room for snipers and [TS]

00:17:02   neighborhood stick fights that's right [TS]

00:17:03   but a Taser could you could you get away [TS]

00:17:05   with a kind of a modified taser I'm know [TS]

00:17:07   Neal Stephenson but I i think when you [TS]

00:17:09   think I think it's got to be I think we [TS]

00:17:11   can some ways use baseball as a template [TS]

00:17:14   because baseball started out as being [TS]

00:17:15   this thing where all the fields are [TS]

00:17:16   different and I guess they're still kind [TS]

00:17:18   of different but I mean you know the [TS]

00:17:19   difference distance between the bases [TS]

00:17:20   and stuff could be really random and [TS]

00:17:22   there's two major areas to focus on [TS]

00:17:24   which are the logistics materials and [TS]

00:17:28   construction of the sticks and then how [TS]

00:17:31   you're allowed to attack so like in [TS]

00:17:33   soccer if you something decided to start [TS]

00:17:34   grabbing the ball and run around that's [TS]

00:17:35   a dickhead put down the ball that's not [TS]

00:17:37   cool right so what I mean I think we do [TS]

00:17:39   have to start with the stick i'm [TS]

00:17:40   thinking you have things like material [TS]

00:17:42   weight length and circumference is a [TS]

00:17:44   uniform length can be tapered my [TS]

00:17:47   medicine have to be found stick can you [TS]

00:17:48   lay their own thing is you can't sharpen [TS]

00:17:50   them because then it's a spear kind of [TS]

00:17:54   you know like so there's gotta be [TS]

00:17:56   and I guess ultimately like you can kill [TS]

00:17:58   somebody with a stick pretty easily so i [TS]

00:18:01   do feel i feel like for this [TS]

00:18:03   science-fiction story to really to [TS]

00:18:07   really capture what I'm what I'm trying [TS]

00:18:10   to say about humanity i think it does [TS]

00:18:12   have to be fatal and at times [TS]

00:18:14   oh sure i don't think it always has to [TS]

00:18:16   be there in my head I'm imagining and I [TS]

00:18:18   know this will change once Stephenson is [TS]

00:18:20   it a little bit but i think it's a bunch [TS]

00:18:21   of people on the field with essentially [TS]

00:18:23   like broomsticks so you can use it like [TS]

00:18:25   a staff you can use it like a sword or [TS]

00:18:28   you can use it like a casual day or all [TS]

00:18:30   of those things you never liked you can [TS]

00:18:32   send it there's no ammunition not to [TS]

00:18:33   spin that's right no you absolutely [TS]

00:18:34   spend you could even throw but you're [TS]

00:18:36   gonna been mean you know what they say [TS]

00:18:38   about neighborhood stick fights when you [TS]

00:18:40   know you throw your stick and then you [TS]

00:18:42   gotta stick that's right then that your [TS]

00:18:44   that sticks going to get stick stuck [TS]

00:18:45   right up yeah that's one of the that's [TS]

00:18:48   what that's one of us there you know [TS]

00:18:50   because they're going to be [TS]

00:18:51   sportscasters and they're gonna have [TS]

00:18:52   their own sayings one stick for the team [TS]

00:18:55   or does everybody have a stick [TS]

00:18:57   well or there's a hunger game situation [TS]

00:18:59   where they're kind of stick some cuddles [TS]

00:19:00   and chalets and stuff all like it might [TS]

00:19:03   be when you actually pitched this idea I [TS]

00:19:05   imagined it the way it would have [TS]

00:19:06   happened when your kids which is you're [TS]

00:19:08   out in the woods and you find a stick [TS]

00:19:10   and then you start hitting people with [TS]

00:19:11   it [TS]

00:19:12   thank you that's right there's something [TS]

00:19:13   there's something to that but I think [TS]

00:19:15   when what you professionalize this and I [TS]

00:19:16   assume it will have some aspect of if [TS]

00:19:18   not even maybe it'll be more like a like [TS]

00:19:21   a football thing where nobody gets paid [TS]

00:19:22   but you get for education and but you [TS]

00:19:25   can have a you have a sticker bespoke [TS]

00:19:27   stick that you make as long as it's [TS]

00:19:29   within the good like a baseball bat [TS]

00:19:30   right you can have your old i was called [TS]

00:19:32   golden boy that's because you never you [TS]

00:19:34   never golden boy who you and your dad [TS]

00:19:36   can craft it out of the out of a tree [TS]

00:19:37   that was hit by lightning like Brian a [TS]

00:19:39   you can rewind your own pickups or or [TS]

00:19:42   out of your out of your the mantelpiece [TS]

00:19:45   of your childhood fireplace oh it was [TS]

00:19:47   burned down by two are so now you got a [TS]

00:19:49   reason so here's a question so [TS]

00:19:51   originally the idea was that it was kind [TS]

00:19:54   of a gladiator contest where it was [TS]

00:19:56   taking place in a in a Coliseum and [TS]

00:19:59   people you know the the the bread and [TS]

00:20:01   circuses people were up in the stands [TS]

00:20:03   kind of you know hurling encouragement [TS]

00:20:06   and epithets down [TS]

00:20:08   but then as as the game involved in my [TS]

00:20:11   mind I realized that that so [TS]

00:20:14   surveillance culture has to play into [TS]

00:20:17   any kind of future games sports right [TS]

00:20:22   we're seeing surveillance culture GoPros [TS]

00:20:24   Oh engine eyes the the the like [TS]

00:20:31   experience of sports and ever since [TS]

00:20:34   football got those strange cameras that [TS]

00:20:37   track the action overhead you know [TS]

00:20:40   watching football is very different now [TS]

00:20:41   than even a few years ago and it won't [TS]

00:20:43   be long i don't think before there are [TS]

00:20:46   cameras embedded on football players so [TS]

00:20:49   that you're really was having super [TS]

00:20:52   slo-mo GoPro action but with that [TS]

00:20:55   enables us to do is have a sort of [TS]

00:20:58   stadium but you know you know where [TS]

00:21:03   special forces and and like SWAT teams [TS]

00:21:05   train they have those fake cities [TS]

00:21:08   oh yeah a little villages out in the [TS]

00:21:10   country where it's a bunch of cinder [TS]

00:21:11   block buildings and may and they [TS]

00:21:13   practice like going into buildings and [TS]

00:21:14   it's kind of like a like like paintball [TS]

00:21:17   or laser tag sure like we're a little i [TS]

00:21:19   like I wouldn't thing pops out the [TS]

00:21:21   building and you gotta shoot the burger [TS]

00:21:22   but not the baby [TS]

00:21:23   yes thank you exactly shoot the burglar [TS]

00:21:26   not the baby that's if I were [TS]

00:21:28   sportscasting this that would be one of [TS]

00:21:29   my adages when your catchphrases right [TS]

00:21:32   somebody would whack like will actually [TS]

00:21:34   walk their friend and I be like that [TS]

00:21:35   they're yo Marlon there is another god [TS]

00:21:37   why saying over and over shoot the [TS]

00:21:39   burglar about the baby right then that [TS]

00:21:42   the t-shirts will get made [TS]

00:21:44   yep people would know me as that guy but [TS]

00:21:46   it's on the one hand it's a very very [TS]

00:21:48   primitive in many ways it's civilized in [TS]

00:21:51   the sense that there are rules but [TS]

00:21:53   there's also a high-tech component and [TS]

00:21:55   that's that's where you really get [TS]

00:21:56   people excited about it but I [TS]

00:21:57   participants and as as viewers so we [TS]

00:22:00   could build in the center of the stadium [TS]

00:22:01   a kind of Cinderella's castle meet SWAT [TS]

00:22:06   team training ground a big you know [TS]

00:22:09   multi-layered set of buildings and laser [TS]

00:22:12   tag you know ramps and all this stuff [TS]

00:22:14   with gopro cameras all around it and [TS]

00:22:16   then the tech aspect of it of course is [TS]

00:22:18   that you're watching [TS]

00:22:20   you're watching on multiple screens [TS]

00:22:22   you're watching replays and and you can [TS]

00:22:25   see you can see you can see more than [TS]

00:22:29   the players can see okay and maybe I [TS]

00:22:32   don't know exactly how this works with [TS]

00:22:33   you figure there's what people on the [TS]

00:22:35   field know and what their teams know [TS]

00:22:36   when they've got their own surveillance [TS]

00:22:38   means you get with the people in the [TS]

00:22:39   crowd now and then you got with the [TS]

00:22:40   viewers at home now and that information [TS]

00:22:42   could potentially become passed around [TS]

00:22:43   maybe there's a cache of sticks you know [TS]

00:22:46   hidden somewhere inside Cinderella's [TS]

00:22:48   castle or maybe the old lady could like [TS]

00:22:51   in our games maybe she could buy you a [TS]

00:22:53   nice fleece and have a melty as a [TS]

00:22:54   sponsorship yeah sure and and there's a [TS]

00:22:57   you know there's that kind of like oh [TS]

00:22:58   you know like a like horror movie aspect [TS]

00:23:01   where it's like don't go in their own [TS]

00:23:03   don't go in there like people are you [TS]

00:23:06   know really that they are participating [TS]

00:23:09   you know people in the stadium having a [TS]

00:23:11   different experience of course the [TS]

00:23:12   people at home but there's a there's [TS]

00:23:14   that that a the tension of of of having [TS]

00:23:19   our missions [TS]

00:23:20   oh yeah and also i mean i don't like to [TS]

00:23:22   bring into pro wrestling too much [TS]

00:23:23   because I know go on about it but to me [TS]

00:23:25   thats that's a big component of this [TS]

00:23:26   where thinks you never know what's gonna [TS]

00:23:28   happen there might be another [TS]

00:23:30   neighborhood stick fight team inside the [TS]

00:23:31   castle and you just don't know it yet or [TS]

00:23:33   maybe somebody from your neighborhood is [TS]

00:23:35   in the audience they jump in [TS]

00:23:37   they grab a stick and start helping out [TS]

00:23:38   so now once we've established the actual [TS]

00:23:41   you know like the combat who now the [TS]

00:23:43   next part of this world building that we [TS]

00:23:45   have to do is how exactly are our social [TS]

00:23:51   problems how are we feeding this stick [TS]

00:23:56   fighting like socially globally what are [TS]

00:24:01   we [TS]

00:24:01   resolving their ok you know like for [TS]

00:24:04   example me I'm not saying I'm just [TS]

00:24:06   tossing out like is it cause based well [TS]

00:24:09   I mean if you're if you are if you are [TS]

00:24:12   from Brazil and your team wins the world [TS]

00:24:14   cup you have a lot of smack to talk to [TS]

00:24:20   people from Uruguay for for a while [TS]

00:24:23   right [TS]

00:24:23   a nice i said i drive around seattle all [TS]

00:24:26   uh [TS]

00:24:27   every day let's be honest and the number [TS]

00:24:30   of people who are still crowing about [TS]

00:24:32   the superbowl two years ago in the form [TS]

00:24:34   of some kind of logo on the back of [TS]

00:24:38   their escalade yeah right sorry but it's [TS]

00:24:42   always nice to Paraguay little bit of [TS]

00:24:44   shade you know what Paraguay has got a [TS]

00:24:46   lot to answer for who [TS]

00:24:48   but so what I'm saying is escalating [TS]

00:24:50   that or or rather turning them turning [TS]

00:24:52   the dial up on that a little bit so that [TS]

00:24:55   it's not just bragging rights it's not [TS]

00:24:57   just like in-your-face paraguay like [TS]

00:25:01   actual disputes are resolved by by the [TS]

00:25:07   neighborhood stick fighting teams [TS]

00:25:08   because i feel like as you ramp up the [TS]

00:25:10   violence [TS]

00:25:12   you also have to have a corresponding [TS]

00:25:13   increase in mistakes not just the stakes [TS]

00:25:18   for the team right those guys are going [TS]

00:25:20   to get more hurt then big you know like [TS]

00:25:24   voluntary are volunteering to get more [TS]

00:25:26   hurt than in a football game but they do [TS]

00:25:30   that because the pot the prospect is [TS]

00:25:33   greater that their success will change [TS]

00:25:36   people's lives also could be tied to [TS]

00:25:40   something like the passage of a [TS]

00:25:41   insurance bill right that would be sort [TS]

00:25:44   of a regional becomes kind of referendum [TS]

00:25:46   like in California like if you don't [TS]

00:25:48   like the way ppl park you can go and [TS]

00:25:49   start your own initiative get people to [TS]

00:25:51   sign out right now and get people to [TS]

00:25:53   sign on it gets on the ballot you can [TS]

00:25:55   vote [TS]

00:25:55   maybe this becomes a kind of public [TS]

00:25:57   primary for certain kinds of big ideas [TS]

00:25:59   precisely so people are like you know [TS]

00:26:00   what I don't like rail transit in I [TS]

00:26:04   think it's a bad idea i think it's too [TS]

00:26:06   expensive than the other people are like [TS]

00:26:08   rail transit is the only solution to [TS]

00:26:10   modern urban expansion in cities i think [TS]

00:26:14   if you take it even smaller I mean even [TS]

00:26:16   even on your local high school football [TS]

00:26:17   field you could work out whether or not [TS]

00:26:19   there should be a stop sign somewhere [TS]

00:26:21   who I mean kind of right on the football [TS]

00:26:25   field [TS]

00:26:26   well I mean I to stop someone be there [TS]

00:26:27   by me like if you're looking I know [TS]

00:26:28   you're not across the board a giant fan [TS]

00:26:30   of four-way stops oh no I don't like [TS]

00:26:32   them so i can guess which side you [TS]

00:26:33   beyond that's right oh so you're saying [TS]

00:26:35   like let's you know let's mount some [TS]

00:26:37   teams [TS]

00:26:38   yeah you've got to stop stoppers so then [TS]

00:26:40   this is the [TS]

00:26:40   this is how the league's workout right [TS]

00:26:42   you start down at the at really the [TS]

00:26:44   neighborhood level where it's like I i [TS]

00:26:46   think that we need to spend the that you [TS]

00:26:50   know we need to float up to [TS]

00:26:51   million-dollar bond to paint all the [TS]

00:26:54   fire hydrants in the port a bright color [TS]

00:26:57   so they don't get back over and your [TS]

00:27:00   opposition is like that is the ludicrous [TS]

00:27:02   way to spend that money it's like stick [TS]

00:27:04   fight yet be any pushback from big truck [TS]

00:27:06   and then it work you work your way up [TS]

00:27:08   the you work your way up the ranks so [TS]

00:27:10   then your then you're basically on the [TS]

00:27:11   county stick fighting team and your your [TS]

00:27:13   adjudicating like the school board [TS]

00:27:15   budget and then just imagine how much [TS]

00:27:19   zoning stuff you get settled that way [TS]

00:27:20   rights and net but then all the way up [TS]

00:27:22   to like I'm on the Palestinian team and [TS]

00:27:26   we are deciding with this match whether [TS]

00:27:30   or not they're going to be any more [TS]

00:27:31   subtle I get everything on this tank [TS]

00:27:34   that's right and it's like everybody [TS]

00:27:37   agrees this is an intractable problem [TS]

00:27:39   we've been trying to solve it with [TS]

00:27:41   diplomacy we've been trying to solve [TS]

00:27:42   with war we've been trying to solve it [TS]

00:27:44   with you know terrorism and it we have [TS]

00:27:48   failed to solve it so does everybody [TS]

00:27:50   agree stick fighting is stick fighting [TS]

00:27:52   is the way that we solve all these other [TS]

00:27:54   problems now it's like when subtlety and [TS]

00:27:56   civility and adult conversation fails [TS]

00:27:59   maybe it's time to pick up a stick maybe [TS]

00:28:00   it's time thank you to pick up a stick [TS]

00:28:02   and see that's another great catch [TS]

00:28:04   phrase and I feel like that maybe is a [TS]

00:28:05   league that at some point that was the [TS]

00:28:08   phrase for the league got the stick [TS]

00:28:10   yeah you know what at a certain point [TS]

00:28:12   you gotta pick up the stick huh [TS]

00:28:14   so but this is a lot of world-building [TS]

00:28:17   in order to then distill it down temp to [TS]

00:28:21   you know to write a script for a [TS]

00:28:23   romantic comedy publisher is our [TS]

00:28:25   meet-cute maybe people on different [TS]

00:28:27   sides of the stick fight me course at [TS]

00:28:29   the core of the movie there's got to be [TS]

00:28:30   this changes everything I don't know is [TS]

00:28:32   a rom-com this is this that's terrific [TS]

00:28:34   well what other kind of movie is there [TS]

00:28:35   right i don't want to the problem with [TS]

00:28:37   hunger games is there's it's so [TS]

00:28:39   hysterical and yet there's a rom-com at [TS]

00:28:42   the center of it right i mean [TS]

00:28:43   everybody's just like oh that's so weepy [TS]

00:28:46   and I think that's a tenant of of young [TS]

00:28:49   adult fiction maybe you're thinking more [TS]

00:28:51   like old adult fiction [TS]

00:28:53   I mean when you and I were uh one when [TS]

00:28:55   we were young adults was that was our [TS]

00:28:57   young adult fiction that weepy i don't [TS]

00:29:00   know i think it's got a lot more energy [TS]

00:29:02   over time you got a lot more vampires [TS]

00:29:04   and implicit intercourse [TS]

00:29:05   hmm there's no refresher course on the [TS]

00:29:08   stick field although I have to say the [TS]

00:29:10   original Red Dawn film em and I'm sorry [TS]

00:29:13   that I even had to appellate isn't that [TS]

00:29:15   a shame the original but you know that [TS]

00:29:19   there was that was pretty histrionic [TS]

00:29:21   there was a lot of like there are there [TS]

00:29:24   a lot of young men over emoting in that [TS]

00:29:27   movie I see if so many directions you [TS]

00:29:29   can go and i know you're pretty busy [TS]

00:29:30   right now but I mean you know I'll i [TS]

00:29:32   think it helps also think in terms of [TS]

00:29:33   the franchise right like they knew there [TS]

00:29:36   was gonna be a whole bunch of this [TS]

00:29:37   entire game films you know they [TS]

00:29:39   discovered in time they want to make [TS]

00:29:40   more star wars movies if you're going to [TS]

00:29:42   build a world then you you get to decide [TS]

00:29:44   how that story is told so maybe the [TS]

00:29:46   first one the one that really get some [TS]

00:29:48   of the Avengers of stick fighting is [TS]

00:29:50   like there's just the one big movie with [TS]

00:29:52   lots of big fights and stuff like that [TS]

00:29:53   but you could also have stuff like then [TS]

00:29:55   go to a prequel that explains the [TS]

00:29:58   genesis of stick fighting and but from [TS]

00:29:59   the sprint from this primitive simple [TS]

00:30:01   days before GoPros right i see so I see [TS]

00:30:03   so we start somewhere [TS]

00:30:05   Waverly Graham and John you gotta grab [TS]

00:30:07   an early on with the dwarves and the [TS]

00:30:08   hi-hats and all the other yea big [TS]

00:30:10   characters in the stick fights yeah the [TS]

00:30:11   yo-yos the xylophones the stevedores [TS]

00:30:14   they're only have to get that got the [TS]

00:30:15   ding-a-lings you got the backups [TS]

00:30:17   shanghai Sultan's that's right that's [TS]

00:30:19   right and and so those guys are all we [TS]

00:30:22   like we fade in on the scenes yeah the [TS]

00:30:27   interview with the way i originally [TS]

00:30:28   imagined this was that that [TS]

00:30:30   yeah I think I was backstage at madison [TS]

00:30:32   square garden or something i'm walking [TS]

00:30:33   around there's all these different [TS]

00:30:34   tribes of people wandering around [TS]

00:30:36   backstage in this cavernous environment [TS]

00:30:39   and i kinda just started to see them my [TS]

00:30:42   eyes kind of unfocused and I was like [TS]

00:30:44   you know what if that group of people [TS]

00:30:46   and I think we talked about this in the [TS]

00:30:48   original stick fighting episode where it [TS]

00:30:49   was like the night that that girl that I [TS]

00:30:51   met with the nike swoosh tattoo [TS]

00:30:53   alright [TS]

00:30:54   I was like the Nike that curl is [TS]

00:30:56   branding herself for the rest of her [TS]

00:30:58   life with a nike and and so I was but I [TS]

00:31:03   was watching these people walk by and I [TS]

00:31:04   was like now what if every one of those [TS]

00:31:06   people walking past was wearing a kind [TS]

00:31:11   of a tunic that that Kennedy was a was a [TS]

00:31:20   call out to the Crusades right like here [TS]

00:31:23   come here come the Christians they've [TS]

00:31:24   all got a ball got a big cross on their [TS]

00:31:27   chest and then here you know here are [TS]

00:31:29   the only this big dressing gowns like a [TS]

00:31:31   big dressing gown with my with it like [TS]

00:31:33   it with your emblem on it and so like I [TS]

00:31:36   said instead of instead of a a lion [TS]

00:31:39   rampant you you got you got you got a [TS]

00:31:41   tide logo [TS]

00:31:42   yeah and exactly but but in the future [TS]

00:31:45   right like like Islam is a killer brand [TS]

00:31:50   but show but so is coca-cola slightly [TS]

00:31:55   different kind of killer and so what if [TS]

00:31:57   that would have team Islam is pitted [TS]

00:32:00   against team coca-cola in the regional [TS]

00:32:01   finals I don't think there's any reason [TS]

00:32:02   that can't happen i think as you advance [TS]

00:32:04   to advance to higher levels you know i [TS]

00:32:06   think you're going to see some really [TS]

00:32:07   unusual pairings exactly i see like [TS]

00:32:09   Portland hog butchers vs former [TS]

00:32:13   congressman mhm [TS]

00:32:14   here come the Nebraska Methodists who [TS]

00:32:17   and they are in a they are in a pitch [TS]

00:32:19   battle with the Chevy Volt right coming [TS]

00:32:23   off a huge huge win against the the [TS]

00:32:25   ladies trying to use expired coupons of [TS]

00:32:26   walgreens precisely so I would not want [TS]

00:32:29   to face those ladies they are you know [TS]

00:32:30   what their top they do not stay down [TS]

00:32:33   well I murder should they're absolutely [TS]

00:32:35   should be some kind of I mean this is [TS]

00:32:37   the thing how do you handicapped because [TS]

00:32:40   you don't want to put the cue the coupon [TS]

00:32:42   ladies up against like the modern war we [TS]

00:32:46   do this by i would i would love to see [TS]

00:32:48   that but what you do in boxing right you [TS]

00:32:50   do it by in that case by weight [TS]

00:32:51   yeah I guess it's my way and then you [TS]

00:32:53   but you still figure out like who is the [TS]

00:32:54   greatest pound-for-pound stick fight [TS]

00:32:56   team right [TS]

00:32:58   ok here's my question and I I really [TS]

00:33:00   this is so critical to to the to the [TS]

00:33:03   whole narrative but i'm still not [TS]

00:33:04   exactly sure I mean [TS]

00:33:05   I have a good idea of what a stick fight [TS]

00:33:07   is for or how it ends when it was a [TS]

00:33:09   bunch of a 11 year old boys hitting each [TS]

00:33:11   other [TS]

00:33:12   what is the goal or how do you win the [TS]

00:33:15   neighborhood stick fight [TS]

00:33:17   well that's the thing it because because [TS]

00:33:19   we are talking about really worth [TS]

00:33:21   talking about solving really weighty [TS]

00:33:23   disputes the the end has to be this [TS]

00:33:28   there has to be satisfaction right the [TS]

00:33:31   we have to get we the people have to get [TS]

00:33:33   satisfaction if I am pitting if I if I [TS]

00:33:38   am watching nike go up against I mean [TS]

00:33:43   because it's not just nike against [TS]

00:33:45   adidas it's nike against no no that [TS]

00:33:48   that's the kind of narrow thinking that [TS]

00:33:49   neighborhood stick fighting is gonna is [TS]

00:33:50   gonna just get rid of right this is [TS]

00:33:52   mikey against apple or Nike against [TS]

00:33:55   against paraguay and it's like what are [TS]

00:33:59   the stakes right between nike and [TS]

00:34:01   paraguay and if nike wins [TS]

00:34:03   nike tennis shoes beats paraguay the [TS]

00:34:05   country [TS]

00:34:06   what does paraguay after seed to them [TS]

00:34:10   oh yeah kinda like when the two cities [TS]

00:34:12   go up against each other in the mayor's [TS]

00:34:13   have a playful yet about sending oranges [TS]

00:34:16   or or you know philly cheese steak or [TS]

00:34:18   something like that to the other guy [TS]

00:34:19   right so but it has to be you know like [TS]

00:34:22   that but something has to be selling I [TS]

00:34:24   get you're saying this works on two [TS]

00:34:25   levels is what gets settled on the field [TS]

00:34:27   with sticks and was consequently by [TS]

00:34:30   extension being settled by that victory [TS]

00:34:32   that's right and so we the adjudication [TS]

00:34:34   of the stick ball was a stick fight so [TS]

00:34:36   what ends up deciding the match in the [TS]

00:34:40   ring is does this does this result [TS]

00:34:44   deliver satisfaction to the parties [TS]

00:34:48   involved do they feel satisfied so if [TS]

00:34:52   it's a case where it's like whack whack [TS]

00:34:54   ow ok I quit [TS]

00:34:56   it's like wait a minute no a like [TS]

00:35:01   hundreds of miles hundreds of square [TS]

00:35:03   miles of forest just were transferred [TS]

00:35:07   from one organization to another 00 and [TS]

00:35:10   this brings up another interesting point [TS]

00:35:11   then so can you hire out can you be like [TS]

00:35:15   the the Yankees and hire out like the [TS]

00:35:18   best team [TS]

00:35:19   based on money or does it have two [TS]

00:35:21   people people who have a stake in that [TS]

00:35:22   so this is that this is my feeling and [TS]

00:35:25   this is why I call it neighborhood stick [TS]

00:35:27   fights and not professional stick fights [TS]

00:35:29   because my feeling about professional [TS]

00:35:32   sports is as soon as it became free [TS]

00:35:35   agency and sports were disconnected from [TS]

00:35:38   their region right it's all just [TS]

00:35:41   metaphor now you know you just this [TS]

00:35:43   beeping these baseball players just play [TS]

00:35:45   for everybody at the end of their career [TS]

00:35:47   they you know and they show up I mean [TS]

00:35:49   Ichiro shows up at Safeco Field when [TS]

00:35:52   they Yankees uniform if you can use the [TS]

00:35:54   phrase Utah Jazz without laughing Thank [TS]

00:35:57   You a utah jazz I so i do feel like i do [TS]

00:36:01   feel like the point of the stick [TS]

00:36:03   fighting is your group you're vested [TS]

00:36:07   group puts up your best fighters from [TS]

00:36:10   within the group and if you know and the [TS]

00:36:12   put the problem with that of course is [TS]

00:36:14   that there are lots of groups who by [TS]

00:36:17   definition are not going to have as good [TS]

00:36:19   of Fighters right like the like team [TS]

00:36:22   coder is not going to put up its gonna [TS]

00:36:26   probably have a lot of like big guys huh [TS]

00:36:29   but not a lot of like em tough guys I [TS]

00:36:32   get you and so so you have to also be [TS]

00:36:35   able to use the strength of your group [TS]

00:36:37   right like the coupon ladies who all the [TS]

00:36:39   way there they are strong they have to [TS]

00:36:41   end it and they have to be able to work [TS]

00:36:42   as a you know as a group strategy they [TS]

00:36:45   have to use their strategy right to like [TS]

00:36:49   this old so the game would have to be [TS]

00:36:51   modified in the coupon ladies thing the [TS]

00:36:53   point of the game might be that you have [TS]

00:36:55   to get through the checkout and back [TS]

00:36:57   home before the ramen boils over [TS]

00:37:00   mmm using a neighborhood level it could [TS]

00:37:02   be something really lonely too [TS]

00:37:04   on-the-nose it could be something as [TS]

00:37:05   simple as the ladies trying to use [TS]

00:37:07   expired coupons at walgreens vs let's [TS]

00:37:09   let's just say it walgreens employees [TS]

00:37:12   Oh interesting I mean there's just so [TS]

00:37:14   many ways that this world couldn't find [TS]

00:37:16   them here i'm saying this helps me too [TS]

00:37:17   because the thing is if they if they [TS]

00:37:19   really toss and it's a sanction sanction [TS]

00:37:22   neighborhood stick fight and just for [TS]

00:37:24   the sake of argument let's say the [TS]

00:37:25   ladies with the expired coupons win [TS]

00:37:27   right i mean i've really hope that [TS]

00:37:29   doesn't happen but if they win then from [TS]

00:37:31   now on [TS]

00:37:32   and a corporate level walgreens has got [TS]

00:37:34   to take expired coupons [TS]

00:37:36   end of story if you wanna rematch [TS]

00:37:37   there's gotta be some kind of stakes [TS]

00:37:39   where the you know some skin in the game [TS]

00:37:40   but I guess you're saying this goes way [TS]

00:37:42   beyond the field and this I right now i [TS]

00:37:45   would say there are a lot of things [TS]

00:37:47   where I would say listen stick fighting [TS]

00:37:49   is my idea but it's not that I'm not [TS]

00:37:51   actually gonna get down on the field and [TS]

00:37:52   stick fight I mean I'm up in the head [TS]

00:37:54   office [TS]

00:37:55   I'm up there counting the money i'm not [TS]

00:37:57   a stick fighter right I'm an impresario [TS]

00:37:59   your steak lover but if you pitted value [TS]

00:38:05   village management against an ad-hoc [TS]

00:38:10   team of value village customers who are [TS]

00:38:12   tired of filling out there who are tired [TS]

00:38:15   of collecting 20 stamps on their stamp [TS]

00:38:18   card to to get twenty-five percent off [TS]

00:38:22   only to arrive with their filled out [TS]

00:38:24   stamp card and find the promotion is [TS]

00:38:27   over and the and the dates you know that [TS]

00:38:30   it was only good for three weeks and now [TS]

00:38:33   you're now now the time that you took [TS]

00:38:35   and all the effort the carrying the [TS]

00:38:37   stamp card around and pulling it out and [TS]

00:38:39   getting it stamped you got set 20 stamps [TS]

00:38:41   or something and it's like oh we're not [TS]

00:38:43   honoring those anymore [TS]

00:38:44   value village does that every they do [TS]

00:38:46   that 15 times a year they also did your [TS]

00:38:51   switcheroo they do a switcheroo they [TS]

00:38:53   offer they're like hey are you filling [TS]

00:38:54   out our stamp card and you're like no [TS]

00:38:56   thanks we're like really I mean I'm [TS]

00:38:58   gonna put three stamps on it for this [TS]

00:38:59   this purchase they're like okay go ahead [TS]

00:39:01   give me the stamp card and they put [TS]

00:39:02   stamps on it and then for like three [TS]

00:39:04   weeks every time you go into value [TS]

00:39:05   village like I got a stamp card they're [TS]

00:39:07   like great and they stamp it and then [TS]

00:39:09   you finally get to 23 go in the next [TS]

00:39:12   time you're like twenty-five percent off [TS]

00:39:13   and they're like oh we that that [TS]

00:39:15   promotion ended my first on cheese so [TS]

00:39:18   it's not like a coffee cart thing where [TS]

00:39:19   the stamp card you could go into your [TS]

00:39:21   coffee car with a stamp card from four [TS]

00:39:23   years ago and they'll still give you [TS]

00:39:24   that espresso it's some kind of it's [TS]

00:39:28   some kind of bullshit trick and so i [TS]

00:39:30   have written that I don't you talk about [TS]

00:39:31   demanding satisfaction I would be livid [TS]

00:39:34   now if I guess I had to look on the [TS]

00:39:35   google for this this is a value village [TS]

00:39:37   is a thing it'sit's used clothing is [TS]

00:39:40   that right that's right it's through its [TS]

00:39:41   a thrift store but it's a for-profit get [TS]

00:39:43   what you get [TS]

00:39:43   yeah but I noticed on the sciences [TS]

00:39:45   donations [TS]

00:39:45   dinner you can donate this is that what [TS]

00:39:48   so they value village is a is a funny [TS]

00:39:50   business model they do a little [TS]

00:39:52   switcheroo on you [TS]

00:39:53   they do a lot of switches on you but the [TS]

00:39:55   but the big one is like goodwill takes [TS]

00:39:59   your donations and they employ people [TS]

00:40:03   and they have training centers and they [TS]

00:40:06   you know they are a nonprofit [TS]

00:40:08   organization they're kind of a good will [TS]

00:40:11   it seems to me the Goodman goodwill the [TS]

00:40:13   more I learn about goodwill more [TS]

00:40:14   fascinating they seen because they seem [TS]

00:40:16   like a charitable pyramid scheme where [TS]

00:40:18   they want people to come and go oh [TS]

00:40:20   there's a lot of value to be had here [TS]

00:40:21   this is a nice vintage stationary and [TS]

00:40:23   say oh well you know if you're somebody [TS]

00:40:25   who has a disability [TS]

00:40:26   you could also work here so they're [TS]

00:40:28   training people isn't it a little bit [TS]

00:40:30   like not a Ponzi scheme but a little bit [TS]

00:40:31   of a pyramid scheme you you can i come [TS]

00:40:33   in as a customer leaves an assistant [TS]

00:40:34   manager [TS]

00:40:35   it's a and B and beginning helped there [TS]

00:40:37   is so much going on behind the walls at [TS]

00:40:40   a goodwill that I don't understand i met [TS]

00:40:43   a woman the other day who was like [TS]

00:40:45   chairwoman of the Northwest Goodwill's [TS]

00:40:49   and I was like I really love your stores [TS]

00:40:51   and she was appreciative but you could [TS]

00:40:55   see in her eyes that the stores were [TS]

00:40:59   just a small fraction i totally buy that [TS]

00:41:03   I totally by tip tip of the iceberg [TS]

00:41:06   yeah that is what's really going on a [TS]

00:41:08   goodwill is like oh the store you like [TS]

00:41:10   to come into the store is how nice [TS]

00:41:11   that's very nice and that and and then [TS]

00:41:14   there was just that sense where I go I [TS]

00:41:17   suddenly felt like I was talking to [TS]

00:41:18   somebody from skull and bones [TS]

00:41:20   it's like oh I don't know anything about [TS]

00:41:22   goodwill do I and she was like no not [TS]

00:41:24   really but that's great that's wonderful [TS]

00:41:26   keep coming in I was like whoa Jesus [TS]

00:41:30   asked a question about that [TS]

00:41:31   related okay because there's 1 i'm [TS]

00:41:33   always thinking about you get that you [TS]

00:41:35   got you check your mail and there's [TS]

00:41:37   something in your mailbox and there's [TS]

00:41:38   something that vaguely sounds like a [TS]

00:41:40   charitable group for veterans are you [TS]

00:41:42   talking about your email or your mail my [TS]

00:41:45   p-mail we think we go out and get your [TS]

00:41:47   actual postal mail and to be something [TS]

00:41:48   in it like a bag and a plastic wrapper [TS]

00:41:50   imploring you to help someone so if you [TS]

00:41:54   have old clothes or there's going to be [TS]

00:41:56   a big pickup of your old and broken [TS]

00:41:58   electronics [TS]

00:41:59   x and something something is going to [TS]

00:42:01   help veterans for people with [TS]

00:42:02   disabilities now my wife actually does [TS]

00:42:04   this I i don't feel right about I think [TS]

00:42:06   there's something weird going on I don't [TS]

00:42:08   understand how they're making money by [TS]

00:42:09   picking up broken computer monitors do [TS]

00:42:11   you have any idea what these places are [TS]

00:42:13   and how they're making money and how i'm [TS]

00:42:14   pretty sure i'm being scammed [TS]

00:42:16   so what what I have learned I guess is [TS]

00:42:19   that there are secondary and tertiary [TS]

00:42:21   markets for old junk there's a whole [TS]

00:42:28   like sub economy and good will not only [TS]

00:42:33   processes your material and cells in [TS]

00:42:37   their stores but they also now have a [TS]

00:42:40   very lucrative online business where [TS]

00:42:43   they take the cream they used to just [TS]

00:42:45   end up out on the shelves [TS]

00:42:47   yeah and now they sell it online but [TS]

00:42:49   they also sell material that they [TS]

00:42:52   collect to other organizations and and [TS]

00:42:56   now they are collecting material they're [TS]

00:42:58   saying like no item of clothing is to [TS]

00:43:01   shite to donate to Goodwill because they [TS]

00:43:05   can weave it into a bathmat yes right [TS]

00:43:07   they take all the old garbage fabric and [TS]

00:43:11   that goes into some other economy they [TS]

00:43:14   send that somewhere sell it you know [TS]

00:43:17   I've told you anybody who spent much [TS]

00:43:19   time travelling overseas you know you [TS]

00:43:21   come you're walking down a path and here [TS]

00:43:23   comes a little lady from some village [TS]

00:43:25   out in the middle of nowhere and she's [TS]

00:43:28   wearing a Chicago Bulls t-shirt or a no [TS]

00:43:32   or a superbowl t-shirt with an XML cat [TS]

00:43:36   yeah or scary especially with the with [TS]

00:43:38   the name of the team that lost that year [TS]

00:43:41   I'll because they make them and they got [TS]

00:43:43   to go somewhere you gotta get your [TS]

00:43:44   secondary or tertiary markets but value [TS]

00:43:46   village is an actual for-profit company [TS]

00:43:50   that lives in this nonprofit space [TS]

00:43:52   competing against salvation army and [TS]

00:43:55   goodwill which are which are like chair [TS]

00:43:58   nominally charitable organizations [TS]

00:44:00   valley village is just making a profit [TS]

00:44:02   for some people in a in the boardroom I [TS]

00:44:05   couldn't their webpage really makes them [TS]

00:44:07   sound a little like a charity [TS]

00:44:09   yeah but they're not they're just making [TS]

00:44:11   money and so [TS]

00:44:12   all the time people like backup to value [TS]

00:44:14   village and drop off all their stuff and [TS]

00:44:15   feel good about it and i'm not exactly [TS]

00:44:17   sure if you can deduct that or not but [TS]

00:44:21   uh but the value village a culture [TS]

00:44:25   business culture pretty sure it's just [TS]

00:44:28   like it's basically the next level of [TS]

00:44:32   target see putting out an old CRT [TS]

00:44:37   monitor that hasn't worked for years and [TS]

00:44:39   is broken and legitimately trash that's [TS]

00:44:42   actually dangerous to put in a dump [TS]

00:44:44   I don't see any way you make money off [TS]

00:44:46   that unless you put it on a barge and [TS]

00:44:48   send it to China and have people be like [TS]

00:44:50   children tear apart with your fingers I [TS]

00:44:51   understand how you make money from that [TS]

00:44:53   and I think that is exactly what happens [TS]

00:44:54   is copper right i mean there are there [TS]

00:44:56   are there are whole villages their whole [TS]

00:44:58   provinces in China where it they're just [TS]

00:45:01   they're just children that lived there [TS]

00:45:03   there are no adults it's a kind of a [TS]

00:45:06   kind of over the Flies situation they're [TS]

00:45:08   living in a world constructive old CRT [TS]

00:45:11   monitors and you know and there's the [TS]

00:45:14   one kid that has kind of a monocle that [TS]

00:45:17   he flips down in front of his eyes to [TS]

00:45:18   see and check the quality of the [TS]

00:45:20   material quality and there's a kid that [TS]

00:45:21   was a top because it gives a confident [TS]

00:45:24   thumbs up in an odd number and there's a [TS]

00:45:26   bunch of ragamuffins their kind of [TS]

00:45:27   indistinguishable from one another and [TS]

00:45:29   then there's like the heroic girl as [TS]

00:45:32   like Mad Max meets Dickens meets Dickens [TS]

00:45:34   Mad Max meets think that's how well [TS]

00:45:36   that's how pula will picture i see this [TS]

00:45:39   franchise going to add Max meets Dickens [TS]

00:45:42   and then and I'm sure that they are [TS]

00:45:44   yeah they're harvesting the copper and [TS]

00:45:46   and all the you know all the memories [TS]

00:45:48   right that's what they're really harvest [TS]

00:45:50   harvesting operand memory step in [TS]

00:45:54   getting the data out well and the [TS]

00:45:56   memories right i mean you don't know how [TS]

00:45:58   many your memories are stored in there [TS]

00:46:00   this part of it this is part of the [TS]

00:46:02   computer maths that they don't teach a [TS]

00:46:03   man i'm no donating another monitor [TS]

00:46:05   that's what I'm saying have so many [TS]

00:46:07   memories in that monitor well not [TS]

00:46:08   anymore they're all there on China that [TS]

00:46:10   there's some kiddo that it wearing a top [TS]

00:46:12   hat in China that's like sorting through [TS]

00:46:14   them got to pick a pocket or two and [TS]

00:46:17   he's a he's going to employ them in the [TS]

00:46:19   next and the next [TS]

00:46:21   well probably their neighborhood stick [TS]

00:46:22   fights over there already [TS]

00:46:24   there and that's where they started [TS]

00:46:26   right that they started in the in the [TS]

00:46:28   CRT minds [TS]

00:46:29   oh is that right that's the case the [TS]

00:46:31   cradle of stick fights [TS]

00:46:33   yep well spotted there's so much going [TS]

00:46:35   on and understand John I have so many [TS]

00:46:37   questions [TS]

00:46:37   well me too and not particularly when [TS]

00:46:39   supertrain technology starts ramping up [TS]

00:46:41   and all that that hard impact plastic [TS]

00:46:44   that all that stuff is made of can be [TS]

00:46:46   converted back into cooking on you can [TS]

00:46:49   just just just send people in each gram [TS]

00:46:51   and just say congratulations you've been [TS]

00:46:53   acquired your dick ends in china village [TS]

00:46:55   of CRT monitors has been acquired [TS]

00:46:57   oh so I so I feel pretty strongly that [TS]

00:47:05   that all this is happening with you and [TS]

00:47:09   that you know I kind of want to get out [TS]

00:47:11   ahead of it not just for me but for my [TS]

00:47:13   family [TS]

00:47:14   it's everything is getting harder to [TS]

00:47:15   understand you know i mean to go back to [TS]

00:47:18   your example of the thrift store [TS]

00:47:19   i mean i-i don't know if this is true [TS]

00:47:21   but my sense was I think this is [TS]

00:47:23   probably mostly true that when i was [TS]

00:47:25   spending a lot of time in three stores [TS]

00:47:26   in the early to mid eighties I think it [TS]

00:47:28   was probably mostly as simple as this [TS]

00:47:31   people would die and their family would [TS]

00:47:34   collect all their belongings and drop [TS]

00:47:37   them off at Goodwill because what are [TS]

00:47:38   you gonna do with all these old tiny [TS]

00:47:39   shirts somebody maybe laundries them [TS]

00:47:42   maybe and then put some on a hanger two [TS]

00:47:45   dollars shirts or two dollars all the [TS]

00:47:46   shirts two dollars long sleeve shirts [TS]

00:47:47   three dollars whatever but their shirts [TS]

00:47:49   and they're all from problem guessing [TS]

00:47:51   from people in the community [TS]

00:47:52   my sense is it has not been that way in [TS]

00:47:53   years i think this collection centers [TS]

00:47:55   jet that up to somewhere else they pluck [TS]

00:47:57   out some of the stuff here to send the [TS]

00:47:58   kindergarten people in New York this [TS]

00:48:00   other stuff here gets turned into bath [TS]

00:48:02   mats and but it all gets redistributed [TS]

00:48:03   there's a lot of trucking involved in [TS]

00:48:05   the donation business there's a lot of [TS]

00:48:07   trucking and a tremendous amount of [TS]

00:48:09   sordin that I don't fully understand [TS]

00:48:12   like I always imagined we need a monocle [TS]

00:48:13   they're seeing something we don't see ya [TS]

00:48:15   anyway that's why that's a garment or or [TS]

00:48:17   CRT monitor you cannot possibly have [TS]

00:48:21   enough ppl highly-trained that they can [TS]

00:48:28   that mean it has to be like [TS]

00:48:30   it has to be like a sluice box right [TS]

00:48:33   seven different increasingly small [TS]

00:48:36   layers of likely the finest of a screen [TS]

00:48:41   in like mining yeah exactly like here's [TS]

00:48:43   the big screen [TS]

00:48:44   we're just gonna take everything that [TS]

00:48:45   smells like vomit stops here doesn't [TS]

00:48:48   mean it can't be used for something [TS]

00:48:49   that's right but it's but it stops here [TS]

00:48:52   and we're gonna funnel all the vomit [TS]

00:48:54   stuff over here and then at the next [TS]

00:48:56   level are all the things that we plug in [TS]

00:48:58   and they start immediately to smell like [TS]

00:49:00   smoke and we're going to find all those [TS]

00:49:02   over here and then on the other side of [TS]

00:49:04   that all right now all all the clothes [TS]

00:49:07   at least have been bombing tested and [TS]

00:49:09   all the electronic stuff at least [TS]

00:49:12   doesn't catch on fire so then that goes [TS]

00:49:15   to another special group that can look [TS]

00:49:18   at stuff more closely and say alright [TS]

00:49:20   this doesn't smell like vomit but it [TS]

00:49:23   definitely has vomited on it uh-huh [TS]

00:49:25   and so then maybe like this something [TS]

00:49:27   like you and me we're looking at sighs [TS]

00:49:28   we're looking at color [TS]

00:49:29   we're looking at brand we're looking at [TS]

00:49:31   the quality but we we may not be seeing [TS]

00:49:33   the memories that are literally being [TS]

00:49:34   mined out of old men shirts [TS]

00:49:35   that's right and the thing is by the [TS]

00:49:36   time that it by the time that the [TS]

00:49:38   millions and millions of items are are [TS]

00:49:42   filtered to the level that we can be [TS]

00:49:44   worried about size and color who think [TS]

00:49:46   about all of the thing about all the [TS]

00:49:49   tons and tons of materials and memories [TS]

00:49:54   that have been that have been like [TS]

00:49:58   screened and where did all that stuff go [TS]

00:50:01   I mean it onto a barge to CRT town or [TS]

00:50:06   alternately to what I imagine is some [TS]

00:50:09   kind of garment village high up in the [TS]

00:50:13   Vulcan mountains of Romania her foo [TS]

00:50:15   where they are taking all that garment [TS]

00:50:17   all that vomit garment and weaving it [TS]

00:50:22   online also memories don't weigh a lot [TS]

00:50:24   and you think that even while some [TS]

00:50:27   memories can be pretty heavy but you but [TS]

00:50:29   you take the corpus of data and that [TS]

00:50:30   probably goes into some kind of an AI I [TS]

00:50:33   don't know if we're at that level yet i [TS]

00:50:35   mean i don't know how we even know for [TS]

00:50:37   at that level yet I feel like that [TS]

00:50:38   goodwill does not make any sense it [TS]

00:50:41   doesn't make any sense and I do I feel [TS]

00:50:42   like they're they're probably filled and [TS]

00:50:44   filled [TS]

00:50:44   in fields like the plum st a coil fields [TS]

00:50:49   but instead of like oil derricks and and [TS]

00:50:53   Blake burning pit fires there are just [TS]

00:50:57   like The Velveteen rabbits with one [TS]

00:51:00   broken leg of people's memories just [TS]

00:51:04   sort of limping hobbling across this [TS]

00:51:06   plain have you ever seen a rabbit with a [TS]

00:51:08   broken leg me a living one [TS]

00:51:12   yeah live rabbit that's like you know [TS]

00:51:13   that sounds horrible it's terrible [TS]

00:51:15   because the thing about a rabbit bunny [TS]

00:51:17   wants to hop everybody wants to hop and [TS]

00:51:19   also rabbit legs are that's a big part [TS]

00:51:22   of a rabbit their hind legs and they're [TS]

00:51:25   making way the ears in the legs [TS]

00:51:26   anybody's got a fat rat [TS]

00:51:28   well yeah and a you know rabbit's foot I [TS]

00:51:30   mean remember to remember when everybody [TS]

00:51:32   had a rabbit's foot [TS]

00:51:33   it's just what she did I and I wanted [TS]

00:51:36   one and I never I never had 1i think [TS]

00:51:38   they used to be real feet from rabbits [TS]

00:51:39   they were and my mom didn't want me to [TS]

00:51:42   have a rabbit's foot it was something [TS]

00:51:43   you got at the state fair [TS]

00:51:44   no no it's got a bad juju feeling to it [TS]

00:51:47   yeah right but people had rather their [TS]

00:51:48   key chains were rabbits feet [TS]

00:51:50   what is that about I'm just about that [TS]

00:51:53   for the first time now [TS]

00:51:54   yeah yeah a lucky rabbit's foot [TS]

00:51:59   yeah that's what they were called I [TS]

00:52:01   don't I test something like that now [TS]

00:52:02   today you get a dreamweaver not a dream [TS]

00:52:04   people it's called give me a catcher now [TS]

00:52:07   I don't think you do get a dreamcatcher [TS]

00:52:09   I mean you know back then you would get [TS]

00:52:10   a Pepsi bottle that had been an [TS]

00:52:12   elongated oh sure you melt it down [TS]

00:52:14   really long Pepsi bottle but anyway but [TS]

00:52:17   the thing about a rabbit is its foot and [TS]

00:52:19   its leg is a big part of how big it is [TS]

00:52:21   but the rabbit knows when it's what is [TS]

00:52:24   fully functioning the rabbit kind of [TS]

00:52:26   keeps its feet kind of tucked underneath [TS]

00:52:27   itself [TS]

00:52:28   yeah so when a rabbit is just kind of [TS]

00:52:30   sitting there is justly with his little [TS]

00:52:31   nose going you don't realize how how big [TS]

00:52:35   his coiled haunches are but when a [TS]

00:52:38   rabbit has been injured and one of those [TS]

00:52:40   legs is is askew or dragging well then [TS]

00:52:44   it's like oh my god this read that [TS]

00:52:46   that's a big part of that rabbit that's [TS]

00:52:48   not working right now and that is how i [TS]

00:52:50   imagine most people's dreams are once [TS]

00:52:53   they've been removed from [TS]

00:52:55   the vomit garments or the CRT what's the [TS]

00:52:58   most the memories have been liberated [TS]

00:53:00   from clothing or context there like a [TS]

00:53:02   limp limp rabbit there like a wounded [TS]

00:53:04   rabbit and then just wandering around a [TS]

00:53:06   baked plane that smells like oil there [TS]

00:53:09   and maybe they're just hanging onto [TS]

00:53:11   those because they know it's gonna be [TS]

00:53:12   useful for something they're just not [TS]

00:53:14   sure yet they haven't built the AI yet [TS]

00:53:16   and they don't want to get rid of all [TS]

00:53:17   these rabbits unless and until they have [TS]

00:53:20   like fully mind the markets not ready [TS]

00:53:23   for that [TS]

00:53:24   oh my goodness that's a different [TS]

00:53:27   screenplay much worse shape play [TS]

00:53:30   yeah I'm sure thinking about it though [TS]

00:53:31   I'm thinking about I'm yeah yeah you [TS]

00:53:35   know what I gotta quit thinking about [TS]

00:53:35   the second-hand market it's a it's too [TS]

00:53:38   strange and then like you got the whole [TS]

00:53:39   recycling thing that's not to beat the [TS]

00:53:41   recycling thing to death but like I've [TS]

00:53:43   read a couple of things lately that make [TS]

00:53:45   me think that recycling is not as simple [TS]

00:53:47   to understand as we've been led to [TS]

00:53:49   believe I don't think it is at all i [TS]

00:53:51   think it's basically garbage plus i [TS]

00:53:52   think it's like the premium garbage [TS]

00:53:54   where the way I understand it is like [TS]

00:53:56   you know like when you go to the airport [TS]

00:53:58   or you go to the food court or you go to [TS]

00:54:00   wherever and now there's like three four [TS]

00:54:02   five different barrels they're all [TS]

00:54:03   labeled differently it's on credit I [TS]

00:54:05   someone the other day where it was food [TS]

00:54:07   only plastic bottles and trash and it's [TS]

00:54:11   whatever whatever happened to [TS]

00:54:12   compostable cups like that's really [TS]

00:54:14   weird but you know sometimes at the [TS]

00:54:16   airport that will stay right there [TS]

00:54:18   put all your junk in here will be sorted [TS]

00:54:19   off-site trust me right [TS]

00:54:21   and so I don't know I want to be I want [TS]

00:54:23   to be a game or about it but you know [TS]

00:54:25   the thing is like it apparently it turns [TS]

00:54:27   out there's not always a market that [TS]

00:54:30   benefits groups say saving green bottles [TS]

00:54:33   you heard this [TS]

00:54:34   yeah what up you go on well what what [TS]

00:54:37   I've heard I don't know if that's true [TS]

00:54:38   but I mean I think there's I don't know [TS]

00:54:40   that there are some things that are kind [TS]

00:54:41   of perennial like there's a increasingly [TS]

00:54:43   small amount of money you can get for [TS]

00:54:45   for example like cans i think the way [TS]

00:54:48   they make money from Kansas mostly is [TS]

00:54:49   the deposit in a place like San [TS]

00:54:50   Francisco ditto ditto for bottles but [TS]

00:54:53   supposedly I mean it was like to clean [TS]

00:54:55   those bottles and reusing them they're [TS]

00:54:57   not like coke bottles for not anymore [TS]

00:54:58   right right and so but the story goes [TS]

00:55:02   and you tell me if you've heard the same [TS]

00:55:03   thing you know how you know entrĂ©es [TS]

00:55:05   into the corridors of power it's my [TS]

00:55:07   understanding that maybe this month [TS]

00:55:09   hey you know what it's actually there's [TS]

00:55:10   there's not enough money for us to [TS]

00:55:12   transport all these green bottles so [TS]

00:55:13   we'll take him to the dump [TS]

00:55:14   wow I don't know if that's true but [TS]

00:55:16   that's what I hear I don't think it's a [TS]

00:55:18   job because all the money is in scale [TS]

00:55:20   and arbitrage like so many things in [TS]

00:55:22   life so I when I reflect on the way that [TS]

00:55:25   I use my own recycling compost and [TS]

00:55:28   garbage bins which now Seattle has [TS]

00:55:30   extended to recycling compost and [TS]

00:55:36   landfill garbage and well let that we [TS]

00:55:40   just we just introduced a new 24 [TS]

00:55:43   yeah we have for now oh my god and man [TS]

00:55:46   like mandated if you put food and food [TS]

00:55:50   waste in the garbage now it's against [TS]

00:55:53   the law they I get frustrated sometimes [TS]

00:55:57   with our neighbors well that they've [TS]

00:55:59   gotten better but the the previous [TS]

00:56:00   person who lived there and since moved [TS]

00:56:02   out I think she took a certain amount of [TS]

00:56:04   joy and willfully I'll i hate this is I [TS]

00:56:08   think she was deliberately pushing my [TS]

00:56:09   buttons that she would take you the [TS]

00:56:10   thing about the computer and it's got a [TS]

00:56:12   sandwich of styrofoam you got like two [TS]

00:56:14   different pieces she would go in and [TS]

00:56:16   just stuff to giant pieces of styrofoam [TS]

00:56:18   into the compost like that was a thing [TS]

00:56:21   Wow now what she doesn't know or doesn't [TS]

00:56:23   care about is like I i use the compost [TS]

00:56:25   like we compost a lot [TS]

00:56:27   yeah and we recycle a lot and here's the [TS]

00:56:29   thing the guy with the mustache that MPs [TS]

00:56:31   are trash or you know puts are all of [TS]

00:56:33   our different buckets into his truck on [TS]

00:56:36   Tuesday mornings he's watching although [TS]

00:56:38   he is rather he's watching us that you [TS]

00:56:40   know what I think he gets ding if a [TS]

00:56:43   bunch of plastic goes into the into its [TS]

00:56:45   own homes [TS]

00:56:46   I think I think he's going to get notes [TS]

00:56:48   if he doesn't get it right and then so [TS]

00:56:50   then he just put it down you know new [TS]

00:56:52   dealer and then he puts up [TS]

00:56:53   passive-aggressive sign on that says you [TS]

00:56:55   check off what what I'm not taking [TS]

00:56:56   because you did it now I'm stuck with [TS]

00:56:58   styrofoam in the compost for a week so [TS]

00:57:00   so this is the thing when i think about [TS]

00:57:02   my own relationship to all these bins [TS]

00:57:04   yeah I realized that I am I am presuming [TS]

00:57:08   that on the other end there is someone [TS]

00:57:14   with a master's degree who understands [TS]

00:57:17   my intention [TS]

00:57:19   and hand sorts each thing that I send [TS]

00:57:23   their way with the same care and thought [TS]

00:57:27   that I have put into which bin to put [TS]

00:57:29   them in and how to arrange them who was [TS]

00:57:32   behind of the refugees correspondence [TS]

00:57:35   yeah exactly because it's like there's [TS]

00:57:36   some rule where I lids go in the garbage [TS]

00:57:40   unless a lid is eight inches or six [TS]

00:57:43   inches across and then those lids go in [TS]

00:57:47   the recycling well I can't leave me like [TS]

00:57:51   I like a soldier's coffee lid [TS]

00:57:53   yeah like a lid from a jar food so if [TS]

00:57:55   your lid it's it's basically like [TS]

00:57:57   halibut fishing you know i had never [TS]

00:57:59   heard this if your lid is under 6 inches [TS]

00:58:01   yet to throw a wetback but if your lid [TS]

00:58:05   is over six inches then it it's in a [TS]

00:58:07   special category of lids that go to it [TS]

00:58:09   get that and I imagine at the recycling [TS]

00:58:12   plant the lids go by and there's someone [TS]

00:58:15   there paid [TS]

00:58:16   I you know with again with a like a [TS]

00:58:19   jeweler's loupe and a and a and a [TS]

00:58:23   yardstick that's grabbing lids off the [TS]

00:58:25   conveyor belt is like the lids are mine [TS]

00:58:27   I'm the lid the lid person and they are [TS]

00:58:30   all they have a separate kind of man [TS]

00:58:31   they're sorting lids and they have plans [TS]

00:58:33   for all the lids and that because the [TS]

00:58:34   thing is it's not by MIT it's not by [TS]

00:58:37   composition write a plastic lid that's [TS]

00:58:39   over six inches and a metal lid that's [TS]

00:58:41   over six inches both fulfilled the [TS]

00:58:43   six-inch rule but they are made of [TS]

00:58:45   completely different stuff and so as as [TS]

00:58:50   far as I read the instructions both of [TS]

00:58:52   those lids are recyclable whereas a [TS]

00:58:55   4-inch lid that's made of aluminum and a [TS]

00:58:57   4-inch little that's made a plastic both [TS]

00:58:59   go in the garbage and so when I picture [TS]

00:59:02   the recycling center i think of it as a [TS]

00:59:05   miraculous place it literally is where [TS]

00:59:07   the idea of super train came from a that [TS]

00:59:11   this like this temple where hundreds of [TS]

00:59:15   trained people are going through our [TS]

00:59:18   garbage and turning that garbage into [TS]

00:59:21   the Diamonds of remade repurposed like [TS]

00:59:30   basic materials but i but as you as you [TS]

00:59:34   say and as I think about it now of [TS]

00:59:37   course that's not happening it's all [TS]

00:59:38   just going into the it's all going into [TS]

00:59:40   a freight car and just being dumped in [TS]

00:59:42   the ocean because the truth is if this [TS]

00:59:46   whole process is not confusing though [TS]

00:59:49   the more confusing this process is the [TS]

00:59:51   more likely it is they're actually doing [TS]

00:59:53   something with any of the stuff if you [TS]

00:59:55   use everything called recycling and [TS]

00:59:56   every throw stuff in there but that's a [TS]

00:59:57   pretty good chance a lot of stuff gets [TS]

00:59:59   thrown away [TS]

00:59:59   thrown away [TS]

01:00:00   right and I think about when we started [TS]

01:00:01   doing recycling at my college circa [TS]

01:00:03   nineteen eighty-six we clean up after a [TS]

01:00:05   party and we would have different [TS]

01:00:06   garbage cans [TS]

01:00:07   this one is for aluminum cans right this [TS]

01:00:09   one's for clear bottles this one's for [TS]

01:00:11   green bottles this one's for brown [TS]

01:00:12   bottles because no reset back to make [TS]

01:00:14   sure the technology's changed or I [TS]

01:00:16   imagine it has but back then that if you [TS]

01:00:18   wanted to go get the stuff recycled you [TS]

01:00:19   do the sorting yourself right there was [TS]

01:00:21   just just just pure acceptance at that [TS]

01:00:24   place it did that but you had to like [TS]

01:00:25   bring the right stuff that's right i [TS]

01:00:27   delete things perplexing to me because [TS]

01:00:29   what do you do what what do they do with [TS]

01:00:31   plastic to recycle it they melted [TS]

01:00:34   I keep thinking that that's what happens [TS]

01:00:37   that they that they melt it down and get [TS]

01:00:39   it back to its pure essence which is you [TS]

01:00:41   know they make dinosaurs out of her and [TS]

01:00:42   you're like a playground equipment [TS]

01:00:44   Yeah right there they make they make our [TS]

01:00:46   higher our nation's highways something's [TS]

01:00:50   not right [TS]

01:00:51   something something something feels [TS]

01:00:53   weird about this and this is why I this [TS]

01:00:55   is why i feel like the next technology [TS]

01:00:56   and if I were Elon Musk [TS]

01:00:59   I would stand boy if I were here lon [TS]

01:01:02   must boy where would we start but one of [TS]

01:01:04   the things i would be building i would [TS]

01:01:06   stop building a spaceplane i think that [TS]

01:01:10   the spaceplane thing like every [TS]

01:01:13   billionaires got a space program right [TS]

01:01:14   now and no billionaire it seems to me [TS]

01:01:17   has is working on cool public transit [TS]

01:01:21   and I think what we need are [TS]

01:01:23   billionaires that are working on public [TS]

01:01:25   transit and affordable like housing and [TS]

01:01:27   the solution to the homeless problem and [TS]

01:01:30   fewer billionaires that are working on [TS]

01:01:31   space programs like one or two [TS]

01:01:34   billionaire driven space programs i feel [TS]

01:01:38   like we're covered in that area but the [TS]

01:01:41   fact that there there's not a single [TS]

01:01:42   billionaire that's working on like [TS]

01:01:45   shelters for homeless families feels [TS]

01:01:51   like grains balance but if I were Elon [TS]

01:01:53   Musk I would be working on an a counter [TS]

01:01:55   we have really feel like this is this is [TS]

01:01:58   first principles of Roderick on the line [TS]

01:02:00   yeah like a countertop recycling thing [TS]

01:02:05   that's about this it's maybe bigger than [TS]

01:02:07   a sodastream smaller than a than a pony [TS]

01:02:12   keg [TS]

01:02:13   and it's the opposite of a 3d printer [TS]

01:02:15   everyone's doing 3d printing now look at [TS]

01:02:17   that you can make it a gun or a keychain [TS]

01:02:19   we're saying the opposite that we're [TS]

01:02:20   saying that's right take what's already [TS]

01:02:22   there make it go away [TS]

01:02:23   that's right using 3d on printer you put [TS]

01:02:25   anything literally anything in the slot [TS]

01:02:29   anything that will fit in the slot you [TS]

01:02:30   put in the slot the Machine analyzes its [TS]

01:02:33   composition and then goes about whatever [TS]

01:02:36   process it [TS]

01:02:37   it requires to either melt the metal or [TS]

01:02:40   or the the hydro floor fluorocarbon sue [TS]

01:02:44   for the chlorofluorocarbons apart [TS]

01:02:48   cooking oil in their absolute well why [TS]

01:02:50   would you because that's what rate [TS]

01:02:51   between coffee I don't drink and you [TS]

01:02:53   know coffee when I was a kid you always [TS]

01:02:55   put your grease into a folgers can my [TS]

01:02:57   wife won't let out that allow that into [TS]

01:02:59   the house because she's fancy well yeah [TS]

01:03:01   yeah you with your grease boy we it [TS]

01:03:04   becomes like a rabbit hutch like we have [TS]

01:03:06   to wait for it to cool off a little bit [TS]

01:03:07   and then you put my wife will cut the [TS]

01:03:09   top off of a Salter can pour it into [TS]

01:03:11   their like an animal and then what did [TS]

01:03:12   you do [TS]

01:03:13   I don't know she wants me to throw it [TS]

01:03:14   away but in this case you're saying [TS]

01:03:16   maybe if I understand that this gets to [TS]

01:03:18   the right level of sophistication it's [TS]

01:03:19   somewhere between the opposite of 3d [TS]

01:03:21   printer in a microwave and let's be [TS]

01:03:22   honest to dispose all but like you could [TS]

01:03:24   put grease in there because that could [TS]

01:03:26   be running somebody's car in your [TS]

01:03:27   neighborhood because there's a local [TS]

01:03:28   collection center that decides what to [TS]

01:03:30   do with it based on area neighborhood [TS]

01:03:32   allocations well so ultimately yeah [TS]

01:03:34   right at the end of the at the end of [TS]

01:03:36   the the week you'd have a little brick [TS]

01:03:39   of carbon probably a big brick of carbon [TS]

01:03:42   you have a little brick of silver a [TS]

01:03:44   little brick of platinum a little brick [TS]

01:03:46   of a plutonium a little brick of my very [TS]

01:03:49   small break of plutonium you have a you [TS]

01:03:52   have a jar of cooking oil you have a jar [TS]

01:03:54   of motor oil and and then you can either [TS]

01:03:57   sell those on the market or you could [TS]

01:03:59   put them you can plug them into your 3d [TS]

01:04:01   printers where you would then use all [TS]

01:04:04   those materials again to to build your [TS]

01:04:07   own you know [TS]

01:04:09   garter belts or or sure or whatever it [TS]

01:04:12   was you're like an on-demand garterbelt [TS]

01:04:14   yeah because what are the building [TS]

01:04:15   blocks of things oil right carbon value [TS]

01:04:21   well yeah nursing [TS]

01:04:25   right right family damn that's right [TS]

01:04:28   love love love love is always missing [TS]

01:04:31   ingredient right and so you so you just [TS]

01:04:33   you think about you you look over here [TS]

01:04:35   like hear the things i need this week [TS]

01:04:36   and I need the following materials to [TS]

01:04:40   make those things and then here are the [TS]

01:04:41   things i'm throwing away this week and [TS]

01:04:43   these are the component elements of [TS]

01:04:45   those like I didn't have the [TS]

01:04:46   neighborhood thing that we're almost [TS]

01:04:48   like you like right now we think nothing [TS]

01:04:49   about having a place in Florida where [TS]

01:04:51   all the water drains off into a pond [TS]

01:04:53   like where there's also a way that all [TS]

01:04:54   the resources of your of your small [TS]

01:04:57   neighborhood your block could be [TS]

01:04:59   reallocated on an on-demand basis so you [TS]

01:05:01   talk about to take a penny leave a penny [TS]

01:05:03   two a penny penny if you need if you [TS]

01:05:04   need an on-demand aluminum garterbelt [TS]

01:05:06   that could be delayed deliveries you get [TS]

01:05:08   this get this guy over here is taking [TS]

01:05:09   all the course light maybe you got an [TS]

01:05:12   automobile that can run on french fries [TS]

01:05:13   and that could be sluiced out of this [TS]

01:05:15   guy here plays a lot of online games [TS]

01:05:17   right so the colors like guys like Oh [TS]

01:05:19   what am I gonna do with all these cans [TS]

01:05:21   and two doors down [TS]

01:05:23   there's somebody that's like what am I [TS]

01:05:25   gonna get the aluminum to build my my [TS]

01:05:28   own myspace looking ongoing existential [TS]

01:05:30   swapmeet leave a penny take a penny [TS]

01:05:31   leave a penny take a pen mhm and I think [TS]

01:05:34   it's important to a lot of people say [TS]

01:05:35   take a penny leave a penny I say leave a [TS]

01:05:37   penny two a penny you say leave a [TS]

01:05:39   paycheck upending it starts with leaving [TS]

01:05:40   a penny you know em you know here's [TS]

01:05:45   another thing about me hard it's gonna [TS]

01:05:46   be to build I feel like you on must [TS]

01:05:48   should be thinking about by comparison [TS]

01:05:49   not difficult it's going to take some [TS]

01:05:51   resources it's going to take some time [TS]

01:05:53   it's going to take some adjustment is [TS]

01:05:54   going to take some retrofitting but [TS]

01:05:56   people are always doing stuff like [TS]

01:05:57   getting new windows or air conditioning [TS]

01:05:58   like how hard it'd be you get a tattoo a [TS]

01:06:00   sluice and maybe that could be a 3d [TS]

01:06:02   printer too so people are always coming [TS]

01:06:04   up to me at at Comic Cons and such as [TS]

01:06:07   yeah what is super train coming and I'm [TS]

01:06:09   like you know what I'm starting to say [TS]

01:06:11   to people like you know make your own [TS]

01:06:13   supertrain yes right [TS]

01:06:16   like when wet when is super train coming [TS]

01:06:18   what about now like super train starts [TS]

01:06:20   at home super super train is it's like a [TS]

01:06:23   last-minute party you know the thing is [TS]

01:06:25   it's a last-minute party in the sense [TS]

01:06:27   that it's going to be as good as what [TS]

01:06:29   everybody brings so if you show up the [TS]

01:06:31   last minute party like this is losing [TS]

01:06:33   its like fuck you go out and buy some [TS]

01:06:34   ice like do that brings something to the [TS]

01:06:36   party [TS]

01:06:37   you're saying supertrain is Stone Soup [TS]

01:06:39   it's no I'm not [TS]

01:06:42   ah here's one thing I've been thinking [TS]

01:06:44   about it and I don't get too serious but [TS]

01:06:45   i have been thinking about this a little [TS]

01:06:46   bit that like when I think i read what [TS]

01:06:49   you say in your campaign and hear what [TS]

01:06:51   you saying your campaign and like we [TS]

01:06:53   have the conversation probably not a [TS]

01:06:54   couple months ago about stuff like I [TS]

01:06:56   mean I'll put this in my words and then [TS]

01:06:58   you tell me if it's even near right but [TS]

01:06:59   like okay there's stuff coming right now [TS]

01:07:01   we are on the verge of a lot of [TS]

01:07:03   Technology going from m2 like wow we [TS]

01:07:06   don't know what that's gonna be [TS]

01:07:08   but what are the smart things we could [TS]

01:07:09   do to start preparing the way for what [TS]

01:07:12   could come along and what the example I [TS]

01:07:14   gave i think was having to deal with [TS]

01:07:15   like we're not sure [TS]

01:07:17   here's what we know what we know is that [TS]

01:07:19   we kind of want to use less oil and have [TS]

01:07:21   less people driving a single [TS]

01:07:23   gas-guzzling car around that we've [TS]

01:07:25   reached peak that shit like now what is [TS]

01:07:28   next [TS]

01:07:28   is it self-driving cars maybe isn't [TS]

01:07:30   publicize it makes it like you said [TS]

01:07:32   every sidewalk you put down will be torn [TS]

01:07:34   up someday like how do you how do you [TS]

01:07:36   make that easy to deal with in the [TS]

01:07:38   future so i'm trying to think more about [TS]

01:07:39   like what does that mean in like 125 [TS]

01:07:43   years is it something that you can do in [TS]

01:07:44   125 year terms how do you start making [TS]

01:07:46   fewer dumb decisions and more scalable [TS]

01:07:48   roll packable fixable decisions [TS]

01:07:51   yeah and and in particular it's really [TS]

01:07:55   hard especially when you're campaigning [TS]

01:07:59   for office but really hard in general to [TS]

01:08:02   see your cell and we talk about this all [TS]

01:08:04   the time but to see yourself or to see [TS]

01:08:06   ourselves as in the middle of the stream [TS]

01:08:10   you know between hither and thither and [TS]

01:08:14   so everybody wants a everybody wants a [TS]

01:08:17   solution based on where we are right now [TS]

01:08:20   because it seems like this is always the [TS]

01:08:22   end of history and to to be running for [TS]

01:08:27   office and advocating in some respects [TS]

01:08:31   for like hey what we should do right now [TS]

01:08:34   I mean with what we should have done in [TS]

01:08:36   seattle was build a transit network 40 [TS]

01:08:39   years ago we didn't do it and we should [TS]

01:08:42   have built 20 years ago and we didn't do [TS]

01:08:44   it and we shouldn't even built a 10 [TS]

01:08:45   years ago and we didn't but now we're at [TS]

01:08:48   a place where [TS]

01:08:49   everywhere you look there's a new [TS]

01:08:51   transportation technology about to come [TS]

01:08:55   online i mean really in every in every [TS]

01:08:58   aspect is I mean top of my head you have [TS]

01:09:04   the self-driving cars which is something [TS]

01:09:05   that one or two years ago I looked at [TS]

01:09:07   what are you even kidding me and now I [TS]

01:09:09   can't believe we're not doing it [TS]

01:09:10   I mean just the data on how much better [TS]

01:09:12   decisions something like that could make [TS]

01:09:14   you've got stuff like drones right [TS]

01:09:16   you've got not necessarily kind of [TS]

01:09:18   killed people in other countries but [TS]

01:09:19   you've got smaller like kind of personal [TS]

01:09:21   sighs you know remote controllable [TS]

01:09:24   aircraft heavily unregulated right words [TS]

01:09:28   from the other things [TS]

01:09:29   ok magazine what you can do with [TS]

01:09:30   electric it right the ability to store [TS]

01:09:33   electricity has vastly changed in the [TS]

01:09:35   last five years and that's ultimately [TS]

01:09:36   the whole game because five years ago it [TS]

01:09:39   was like electric cars what if you want [TS]

01:09:41   to drive 10 miles and now it's like no [TS]

01:09:44   they're electric-powered things are [TS]

01:09:47   going to electric power things already [TS]

01:09:49   work 99 percent of the trips that we [TS]

01:09:52   take would already be electric power and [TS]

01:09:54   so you have all these other things that [TS]

01:09:56   electricity can do like all those weird [TS]

01:09:58   bicycles that people use to retrofit [TS]

01:10:01   little motors to like you [TS]

01:10:04   we're very quickly going to see bicycles [TS]

01:10:08   that if you that our electric augmented [TS]

01:10:12   powered up hills so you ride your bike [TS]

01:10:15   you're having fun on your bike and then [TS]

01:10:17   you come to a big hill and you engage an [TS]

01:10:20   electric motor that runs you up the hill [TS]

01:10:22   and it's not you know that that [TS]

01:10:24   technology exists now but it makes bikes [TS]

01:10:26   really heavy and awkward and you know [TS]

01:10:28   and it's just going to be it's going to [TS]

01:10:31   be kind of seamlessly integrated and all [TS]

01:10:33   the people running around town on [TS]

01:10:35   segways that we look at and mock and say [TS]

01:10:38   like oh my God look at you with this you [TS]

01:10:39   know on the one you're silly a Segway [TS]

01:10:41   like really that was a technology that [TS]

01:10:44   was 10 or 15 years ahead of its time but [TS]

01:10:48   all the different permutations of that [TS]

01:10:51   the the kind of personal mobility a [TS]

01:10:55   scooter platform skateboard [TS]

01:10:59   as the as batteries get better and [TS]

01:11:03   motors get more efficient and all that [TS]

01:11:05   stuff gets better they're going to be [TS]

01:11:07   incredible innovations in terms of [TS]

01:11:10   people just like hopping on a little [TS]

01:11:12   platform and it's whisks them two here [TS]

01:11:15   and two there that always happen but [TS]

01:11:19   then there's also all these advances in [TS]

01:11:21   rail that are I mean either you know the [TS]

01:11:25   big excitement of this train that people [TS]

01:11:27   keep saying they're going to build and [TS]

01:11:28   they're not building of the you know the [TS]

01:11:31   vacuum tube train or the maglev train [TS]

01:11:34   from San Francisco to Los Angeles the [TS]

01:11:38   technology actually is there it's just [TS]

01:11:41   how do you get the political will in the [TS]

01:11:43   money to build a this link right but you [TS]

01:11:47   could build it and have a train that [TS]

01:11:49   goes from LA to san francisco in one [TS]

01:11:51   hour [TS]

01:11:52   haha that would be so amazing and so [TS]

01:11:55   it's so it's a question of like all [TS]

01:11:57   right here we are we're at the [TS]

01:11:58   technological level and is that the [TS]

01:12:01   direction that we're going are we going [TS]

01:12:03   to build that are we not [TS]

01:12:04   are these little scooters that i [TS]

01:12:06   imagining and little skateboards and [TS]

01:12:08   little electric-powered kind of mobility [TS]

01:12:10   devices with what direction are those [TS]

01:12:13   going to take i can see that i can see [TS]

01:12:16   it but that doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

01:12:18   that that's where people i mean you [TS]

01:12:21   definitely know that if tony hawk can [TS]

01:12:26   invest in an electric skateboard that [TS]

01:12:30   goes up hills that is still that still [TS]

01:12:33   functions as a skateboard for a while at [TS]

01:12:35   least you know like that's app that's [TS]

01:12:38   gonna happen and so so from from the [TS]

01:12:41   standpoint of like we we need to make a [TS]

01:12:43   huge investment in transportation it's [TS]

01:12:47   it's really unusual and weird to be in a [TS]

01:12:50   position to say like what we actually [TS]

01:12:51   should probably do right now is put our [TS]

01:12:57   finger in the dike make the short term [TS]

01:13:01   investments to keep stuff running so [TS]

01:13:07   that we don't really scare [TS]

01:13:10   you up this transition and then [TS]

01:13:12   everybody put their heads together and [TS]

01:13:16   try and start seeing like what's what [TS]

01:13:18   what is the future really gonna look [TS]

01:13:19   like because I know at uber I know up in [TS]

01:13:22   the boardroom at huber those guys when [TS]

01:13:25   they're not playing nerf basketball and [TS]

01:13:27   like sexually harassing one another they [TS]

01:13:31   are imagining in the very near term a [TS]

01:13:35   world where there are no drivers when [TS]

01:13:38   we're sober is in control of a vast [TS]

01:13:42   network of of centrally controlled [TS]

01:13:45   autonomous vehicles who and we all pull [TS]

01:13:49   out our phones and uber become [TS]

01:13:51   synonymous with transportation and we [TS]

01:13:55   plot the phone and the car whisks up we [TS]

01:13:58   get in it takes us where we're going it [TS]

01:13:59   hit it subtracts a certain amount of [TS]

01:14:02   bitcoins from are you know from our [TS]

01:14:05   online account we never even think about [TS]

01:14:07   it it's not even a thing that you have [TS]

01:14:09   to it's not a transaction you have to do [TS]

01:14:12   it's all just happening you pull out [TS]

01:14:13   your phone you just say out loud to your [TS]

01:14:16   google glass I need a car and there's [TS]

01:14:18   one there in two seconds and it's run by [TS]

01:14:20   uber that's absolutely what they are [TS]

01:14:23   imagining they don't want drivers they [TS]

01:14:26   want to eliminate drivers and they will [TS]

01:14:28   and for most of us consumers we're going [TS]

01:14:33   to be like this is great i just started [TS]

01:14:36   just walk over and sending a car and one [TS]

01:14:37   appears and it takes me there and I [TS]

01:14:38   don't have to talk to anybody and then [TS]

01:14:40   and I don't have to do a transaction it [TS]

01:14:42   just takes it just at the end of the [TS]

01:14:45   it's just another eel that's sucking on [TS]

01:14:46   me and at the end of the month my bill [TS]

01:14:48   gets paid automatically and and i'm just [TS]

01:14:52   working for the company store whatever [TS]

01:14:53   but how do city's plan for that and how [TS]

01:14:56   do cities say like winter we don't want [TS]

01:14:58   to Bert ubi the we don't want them [TS]

01:15:01   controlling that infrastructure but but [TS]

01:15:04   they are working hard to build it if we [TS]

01:15:07   don't want them to do it we would have [TS]

01:15:10   to get involved we would have to [TS]

01:15:12   envision it and do it ourselves or [TS]

01:15:15   or regulated and the results the results [TS]

01:15:17   are mean with uber in particular the [TS]

01:15:22   results are so fast the results are so [TS]

01:15:25   immediate and the results have such a [TS]

01:15:28   high positive impact on influential [TS]

01:15:32   people with money [TS]

01:15:33   mhm right and i don't mean to make this [TS]

01:15:35   you know overly political but I am I saw [TS]

01:15:37   blood poster of an article the other day [TS]

01:15:39   where none of it the nut is basically [TS]

01:15:42   it's difficult it's difficult to be [TS]

01:15:44   punctual when you're poor like how hard [TS]

01:15:46   it is just how much more friction there [TS]

01:15:48   is to everything if you like the more [TS]

01:15:50   you have your own control over your time [TS]

01:15:52   and in this case your transportation [TS]

01:15:53   like the more options for convenience [TS]

01:15:56   and punctuality that you have I mean you [TS]

01:15:59   can get there early and get a coffee [TS]

01:16:00   unless you're getting two buses that may [TS]

01:16:02   or may not have you know time transfers [TS]

01:16:04   and stuff like that right well yeah [TS]

01:16:06   unless you have to figure out who's [TS]

01:16:08   gonna watch your kids all right yeah [TS]

01:16:10   exactly yeah but you know the other [TS]

01:16:14   thing I keep thinking about 9i I campus [TS]

01:16:16   I can't just thinking out loud is that [TS]

01:16:19   you know if you think about the stuff [TS]

01:16:20   that the infrastructure stuff that [TS]

01:16:22   succeeds over time I mean at some point [TS]

01:16:25   it starts out being completely bananas [TS]

01:16:27   and maybe even proprietary and then [TS]

01:16:29   eventually it becomes adopted and then [TS]

01:16:31   at some point it becomes you know [TS]

01:16:32   wasteful or obviated inefficient out of [TS]

01:16:37   out of the times but you know I'm [TS]

01:16:38   thinking about stuff along the lines of [TS]

01:16:40   railroads and then the gauge of tracks [TS]

01:16:44   right like at some point i don't know [TS]

01:16:47   i'm sure you know way more about this [TS]

01:16:48   than i did but at some point in order to [TS]

01:16:49   have railroads where everybody's cars to [TS]

01:16:51   go everywhere we had to agree on a [TS]

01:16:53   certain age of track in order to have [TS]

01:16:55   rifles where you could have replaceable [TS]

01:16:58   parts and having a assembly line to [TS]

01:17:00   standardize things like what those parts [TS]

01:17:02   are in and the level of quality and each [TS]

01:17:04   of those things [TS]

01:17:05   shit I mean look at the bricks in a [TS]

01:17:06   building like what if half the bricks [TS]

01:17:08   broke or the CAF the bricks were an [TS]

01:17:11   eighth of an inch bigger on one side or [TS]

01:17:12   whatever it there has to be some way of [TS]

01:17:14   standardizing whose lego set we're going [TS]

01:17:16   to use for this I can go to any place in [TS]

01:17:20   America that has electric plugs and plug [TS]

01:17:22   in a 1 10 you know the device and it'll [TS]

01:17:24   just work unless something's very very [TS]

01:17:26   wrong [TS]

01:17:27   it seems like that's the part that's [TS]

01:17:28   trickiest it isn't that we need another [TS]

01:17:30   billionaire to figure out what to build [TS]

01:17:32   with the existing LEGO sets we need [TS]

01:17:34   somebody who can create open lego sets [TS]

01:17:36   that will let new kinds of flexibility [TS]

01:17:38   emerge and I literally cannot think of a [TS]

01:17:40   better analogy than that but whatever [TS]

01:17:42   ends up happening with roads [TS]

01:17:44   it can't be suddenly just caters to the [TS]

01:17:46   people who moved to town in the last [TS]

01:17:47   three years and have a nice car that [TS]

01:17:49   they like to drive like that's that [TS]

01:17:51   doesn't feel like the future that feels [TS]

01:17:52   like the past [TS]

01:17:53   well and this is where this is where [TS]

01:17:55   like I the other day I was driving along [TS]

01:17:56   and I and a mini van drove by me and it [TS]

01:17:59   was an apple maps minivan an apple maps [TS]

01:18:05   is now finally sort of getting around to [TS]

01:18:08   the three-dimensional mapping [TS]

01:18:11   three-dimensional photographic mapping [TS]

01:18:14   of the world that Google's been doing [TS]

01:18:15   for a long time and it it a bit rattled [TS]

01:18:21   me because I remember the moment in my [TS]

01:18:25   own life where Apple decided that in [TS]

01:18:28   their relationship with google because [TS]

01:18:30   remember the original iphones all had [TS]

01:18:33   google maps absolutely and then Google [TS]

01:18:35   decided that they weren't sharing all [TS]

01:18:38   the metadata they were collecting with [TS]

01:18:40   apple and google was like no no all that [TS]

01:18:43   metadata is our proprietary stuff there [TS]

01:18:46   was a time when the head can google is [TS]

01:18:48   on the board apple right and and those [TS]

01:18:51   were those were heady days but then [TS]

01:18:55   Apple decided at from a business [TS]

01:18:58   standpoint it made more sense for them [TS]

01:19:00   to build their own mapping program from [TS]

01:19:03   the ground up rather than just seed to [TS]

01:19:06   google all of the data that Google was [TS]

01:19:10   collecting about where people went and [TS]

01:19:11   what it was tied to and so what that [TS]

01:19:14   meant for us the consumers was that all [TS]

01:19:16   of a sudden our iphones no longer had [TS]

01:19:20   google maps functionality and we were [TS]

01:19:23   now all millions of beta testers for [TS]

01:19:28   apples garbage map program that it took [TS]

01:19:31   them six years to get to the point where [TS]

01:19:34   now it only directs me to the wrong [TS]

01:19:36   address one out of seven asking Brooks I [TS]

01:19:39   know real talk [TS]

01:19:40   you've you've been [TS]

01:19:41   you've had bad experiences with Apple [TS]

01:19:43   maps like like demonstrable a bad that [TS]

01:19:46   was flatly wrong experiences with a few [TS]

01:19:48   apps [TS]

01:19:48   yup where somebody says hey come to the [TS]

01:19:50   here's the event and here's the here's [TS]

01:19:53   the the address and i click on the [TS]

01:19:55   address and apple loads their map [TS]

01:19:58   program and puts it puts up in somewhere [TS]

01:20:00   and I go to that pin and it is though it [TS]

01:20:04   is completely on the other side so [TS]

01:20:05   interesting i I've had a handful of bad [TS]

01:20:09   experiences but at reason i ask is [TS]

01:20:10   because I i can have to say that of all [TS]

01:20:14   the things like all the Apple scandals [TS]

01:20:16   and pseudo scandals over the years the [TS]

01:20:18   antenna gate and stuff like that amongst [TS]

01:20:20   normal people like in my family people [TS]

01:20:23   in my family who are still five within [TS]

01:20:26   the last three to five years users of [TS]

01:20:28   apple products that is the one thing [TS]

01:20:30   that pretty much everybody seems to [TS]

01:20:32   agree on is that the maps the maps were [TS]

01:20:35   total shit and now they're mostly shit [TS]

01:20:37   and they would they actually will go and [TS]

01:20:39   get and use google maps on the phone [TS]

01:20:40   yeah i mean i had to because I I because [TS]

01:20:43   I showed up a half hour late to [TS]

01:20:45   important appointments right i remember [TS]

01:20:48   i remember that recent one where you [TS]

01:20:49   respect as a candidate you're gonna [TS]

01:20:51   appear somewhere inside you totally [TS]

01:20:52   wrong place yeah was supposed to it was [TS]

01:20:54   my first meeting with the Chamber of [TS]

01:20:55   Commerce and I role in 45 minutes late [TS]

01:20:58   drenched in sweat apologizing to him and [TS]

01:21:00   I'm like listen I'm serious candidate [TS]

01:21:02   I'm not just a goofy musician that [TS]

01:21:03   doesn't know how to find his way to a [TS]

01:21:05   building in the center of town my phone [TS]

01:21:07   misled me [TS]

01:21:08   yeah i'm going to my whole life yeah my [TS]

01:21:10   phone told me that your office was on [TS]

01:21:12   this the south slope of queen anne hill [TS]

01:21:15   in a in a in a flophouse rather than in [TS]

01:21:18   the reindeer tower but thanks [TS]

01:21:22   Apple ID materially but that that's an [TS]

01:21:24   example yeah but so you know and what [TS]

01:21:26   that ultimately is its beta vs VHS and [TS]

01:21:29   and where we are right now is Apple and [TS]

01:21:32   Facebook and uber and presumably all the [TS]

01:21:35   the big-three car companies although [TS]

01:21:37   they're really lagging in this but all [TS]

01:21:40   the tech companies recognize that this [TS]

01:21:41   that the self-driving car and the [TS]

01:21:44   intricate oh and the point of it isn't [TS]

01:21:45   the car the point of it is that once all [TS]

01:21:48   cars are connected to one another in a [TS]

01:21:51   grid of central control [TS]

01:21:54   then there are no more accidents and [TS]

01:21:56   then it's than the efficiency of [TS]

01:21:58   Transportation everything just goes fast [TS]

01:22:01   and it's connected to the the [TS]

01:22:05   fundamental premise of why Google Maps [TS]

01:22:08   my google was collecting that [TS]

01:22:09   information in the first place if you [TS]

01:22:11   know where people are where they're [TS]

01:22:12   going [TS]

01:22:14   you know and what their history of going [TS]

01:22:16   places is you have massive knowledge [TS]

01:22:20   about them and not only that but your [TS]

01:22:23   you also are charging them to move you [TS]

01:22:25   around like it's a it's a incredible [TS]

01:22:29   system of of knowledge and control and [TS]

01:22:33   every one of those companies is trying [TS]

01:22:35   to envision that future and and build [TS]

01:22:37   that system and when they roll it out [TS]

01:22:41   but that he's my analogy they want to be [TS]

01:22:43   there Lego set [TS]

01:22:43   I want to be there lego set and when [TS]

01:22:45   they roll it out from the consumer [TS]

01:22:47   standpoint it's it's just going to be [TS]

01:22:49   like hey uh any cars zip all this is [TS]

01:22:53   great the future is amazing and the fat [TS]

01:22:56   we've already acquiesced to these [TS]

01:22:58   companies knowing you know the [TS]

01:23:01   geo-locating are photographs and [TS]

01:23:04   connecting it all to everything you know [TS]

01:23:07   to our amazon accounts and everything [TS]

01:23:08   they know about us everybody's just [TS]

01:23:10   completely rolled over on that privacy [TS]

01:23:13   stuff that we were so terrified about 15 [TS]

01:23:15   years ago because of the convenience and [TS]

01:23:17   the fact that oh it's fine you know when [TS]

01:23:19   I go into amazon it just knows what I [TS]

01:23:21   wanted when I put to perturb and when [TS]

01:23:23   that is when that is true of [TS]

01:23:25   transportation also i mean it's it [TS]

01:23:29   there's a lot to philosophize about it [TS]

01:23:32   right but from the standpoint of a city [TS]

01:23:34   and the way a city runs you know what's [TS]

01:23:37   amazing to me is that out that I've gone [TS]

01:23:39   in and sat in the boardroom of the [TS]

01:23:41   Teamsters Union here several times and [TS]

01:23:43   talked to several different groups of [TS]

01:23:45   Teamsters and in the short term they're [TS]

01:23:49   very interested in unionizing huber [TS]

01:23:51   drivers and and because drivers are the [TS]

01:23:55   that's what the Teamsters are they must [TS]

01:23:58   see that as a stopgap though [TS]

01:23:59   well but that's not a thing that they [TS]

01:24:01   want to talk about they do not want to [TS]

01:24:04   talk about the fact that all of the [TS]

01:24:06   technology [TS]

01:24:07   groups right now are all working [TS]

01:24:09   furiously to eliminate drivers to [TS]

01:24:14   eliminate all kinds of drivers and that [TS]

01:24:16   millions of jobs will disappear [TS]

01:24:19   truck drivers bus drivers taxi drivers [TS]

01:24:22   drivers [TS]

01:24:23   I mean it's a it's a major job for [TS]

01:24:26   middle-class people right it's all going [TS]

01:24:30   away and teachers don't want to talk [TS]

01:24:33   about it and they don't want to think [TS]

01:24:34   about it right now they want to they [TS]

01:24:36   want to unionize uber drivers they want [TS]

01:24:39   to you know get out ahead of of what is [TS]

01:24:42   the short-term problem which is taxi [TS]

01:24:46   drivers are unionized but uber drivers [TS]

01:24:49   aren't but the near term problem which [TS]

01:24:52   isn't even that far out which is all [TS]

01:24:54   y'all jobs are going away to be replaced [TS]

01:24:59   by a you know a massive overarching grid [TS]

01:25:07   and that is undeniably the future in our [TS]

01:25:13   lifetimes and we're not talking about [TS]

01:25:17   who controls it or or how it integrates [TS]

01:25:23   and and as far as i can tell right now [TS]

01:25:26   there's like all these companies are be [TS]

01:25:28   furiously beavering away because nobody [TS]

01:25:31   wants to be the Betamax so they end up [TS]

01:25:33   being kind of like the early railroad [TS]

01:25:36   barons who saw the benefits of having [TS]

01:25:38   lines that only their cars could go on [TS]

01:25:40   right so what do you think I mean I mean [TS]

01:25:42   getting that wrong but I mean they're [TS]

01:25:44   rather than having a policy that pushes [TS]

01:25:45   us forward their kind of forcing the [TS]

01:25:47   hand of all these different groups and [TS]

01:25:49   making better progress very quickly on [TS]

01:25:50   all the stuff they want to have happen [TS]

01:25:52   uh who are you talking about now Oh in [TS]

01:25:55   the case of somebody like uber I mean I [TS]

01:25:56   you know how he really put it this way i [TS]

01:25:58   have i might be on mixed feelings about [TS]

01:26:00   uber you know where I live [TS]

01:26:01   yep um there's a lot of nights and days [TS]

01:26:04   where I just don't get a cab and I've [TS]

01:26:06   tried for years that's what there was [TS]

01:26:08   and so I mean I have to admit that I you [TS]

01:26:10   know I don't remember but it's driven me [TS]

01:26:12   nuts for years that like on we have [TS]

01:26:15   hired a babysitter [TS]

01:26:16   it's date night 143 date nights a year [TS]

01:26:17   and literally in over three hours we [TS]

01:26:20   cannot [TS]

01:26:20   a cab you keep calling you keep calling [TS]

01:26:22   for getting mad because you keep calling [TS]

01:26:24   but the thing is every single person [TS]

01:26:26   that dispatcher is sending them a [TS]

01:26:27   message that says go way the hell out [TS]

01:26:29   into the western part of town where you [TS]

01:26:31   will probably even get a fair back if [TS]

01:26:33   they see one person on the street on [TS]

01:26:35   polk street they're gonna pick that [TS]

01:26:36   person up before they even make it make [TS]

01:26:38   it to the Panhandle so I mean the part [TS]

01:26:40   of my frustration is like I'd hate using [TS]

01:26:43   over but like there's not that much [TS]

01:26:44   better stuff [TS]

01:26:46   well I'm not to be somewhere on time but [TS]

01:26:47   i but I hate what they're doing and I [TS]

01:26:49   can't believe what they get away with [TS]

01:26:50   and in the short term like as a [TS]

01:26:52   politician I have to be confronting uber [TS]

01:26:56   right now and the fact that [TS]

01:26:58   yeah they're better service in a lot of [TS]

01:27:00   ways and and the cab companies are [TS]

01:27:05   playing catch-up and they're mad and [TS]

01:27:06   uber is not regulated the same way the [TS]

01:27:08   cab companies are and that's unfair and [TS]

01:27:11   uber drivers are treated badly relative [TS]

01:27:14   to other professional drivers and that [TS]

01:27:15   has to be regulated and changed the [TS]

01:27:18   setting aside all the safety stuff and [TS]

01:27:20   yet the privacy stuff that they've been [TS]

01:27:21   horrible about to yeah and this is all [TS]

01:27:23   as a as a as a as a aspiring politician [TS]

01:27:27   this is all stuff that's right on the [TS]

01:27:28   table in front of us that we have to [TS]

01:27:29   deal with in the next year or two but [TS]

01:27:32   uber uber corporate does not is not [TS]

01:27:38   playing the short game they don't care [TS]

01:27:41   they are just they're just trying to [TS]

01:27:43   keep us all off balance until they can [TS]

01:27:48   eliminate drivers completely and so we [TS]

01:27:53   are we're down here you know fighting [TS]

01:27:55   over bread scraps and the and the big [TS]

01:28:01   technology companies are our way way out [TS]

01:28:05   ahead of this and they do they are not [TS]

01:28:07   worried about you know that they're not [TS]

01:28:10   worried about the unions and they're not [TS]

01:28:11   worried about this kind of regulation [TS]

01:28:13   because they are planning to roll out [TS]

01:28:15   this massive other thing and the big [TS]

01:28:18   question is going to be in the in the in [TS]

01:28:22   10 years when you walk down and you have [TS]

01:28:27   an apple product [TS]

01:28:29   on your person and that Apple product is [TS]

01:28:33   your gateway you your your chip is [TS]

01:28:39   apple-branded rather than google-branded [TS]

01:28:42   and you want a car are you going to have [TS]

01:28:48   access to every car or just the apple [TS]

01:28:51   branded cars and are not so different [TS]

01:28:55   from music in some ways like if the [TS]

01:28:57   stuff you wanna listen to is not on your [TS]

01:28:58   streaming service here and you're not [TS]

01:28:59   going to hear it and that should be that [TS]

01:29:02   should give us pause because that is how [TS]

01:29:05   these companies have chosen to to handle [TS]

01:29:10   the world of music or the world of the [TS]

01:29:12   movies are a lot of the other services [TS]

01:29:14   that we want like we we have the [TS]

01:29:17   absolute the technology right now to [TS]

01:29:19   watch any movie ever and any TV show [TS]

01:29:22   ever [TS]

01:29:23   but we can't because the because the [TS]

01:29:25   apertures are controlled by these [TS]

01:29:28   different companies and they have [TS]

01:29:29   different rules and they you know and so [TS]

01:29:31   so we there is one possible future where [TS]

01:29:35   you walk out there and whatever whatever [TS]

01:29:37   the brand on the chip that's your portal [TS]

01:29:41   is it doesn't matter because it's some [TS]

01:29:44   are you familiar with the idea of of [TS]

01:29:47   common carrier so the railroads for [TS]

01:29:51   instance are what's known as common [TS]

01:29:53   carriers which means that they have a [TS]

01:29:59   they have to carry whatever people want [TS]

01:30:06   to move around right the the railroads [TS]

01:30:08   are private companies but but you can't [TS]

01:30:14   let the railroad can't say like well [TS]

01:30:16   we're not going to carry that boxcar [TS]

01:30:18   full of stuff because we don't believe [TS]

01:30:21   you know a woman's right to choose and [TS]

01:30:23   that boxcar has birth control in it huh [TS]

01:30:26   right so they have the railroad if you [TS]

01:30:28   are if you're a business and you need [TS]

01:30:31   stuff moved around the railroads can't [TS]

01:30:33   pick and choose within you know within [TS]

01:30:37   pretty general guidelines they have that [TS]

01:30:40   this is why this is why when when [TS]

01:30:42   environmentalists go to Burlington [TS]

01:30:44   Northern and say stop carrying those oil [TS]

01:30:46   trains like Burlington Northern can't [TS]

01:30:49   choose to do that or or maybe to put [TS]

01:30:51   sharper point on it you couldn't say we [TS]

01:30:54   refuse to carry replacement parts for [TS]

01:30:56   our competitors trains right that's them [TS]

01:30:59   in some kind of specific antitrust II [TS]

01:31:00   kind of aspect of this right yeah they [TS]

01:31:03   have to kind of move frayed around [TS]

01:31:05   that's that that's part of the public [TS]

01:31:07   trust and you know it ultimately and [TS]

01:31:11   then this is the thing we've seen with [TS]

01:31:12   with cab companies over the over the [TS]

01:31:15   decades right cab companies routinely [TS]

01:31:18   did not pull over and pick up people of [TS]

01:31:22   color who were hailing cabs and that was [TS]

01:31:24   a big thing you know that continues to [TS]

01:31:25   be a problem but was a major major [TS]

01:31:27   problem and you know and it's a and it [TS]

01:31:31   violates the law but what all of this is [TS]

01:31:34   done by bleeps and bloops right like [TS]

01:31:39   let's say uber I mean because uber [TS]

01:31:41   drivers rate their passengers to right [TS]

01:31:44   yeah so let's say that you have a bad [TS]

01:31:48   rating and all transportation you know [TS]

01:31:53   then and and and and basically we we go [TS]

01:31:56   into this world where you where its [TS]

01:32:00   autonomous cars everywhere and you can't [TS]

01:32:04   get a car where it but also it could be [TS]

01:32:07   something even more subtle than that [TS]

01:32:08   right where it could be something where [TS]

01:32:10   it's like it isn't it isn't simply just [TS]

01:32:11   that we there's not a particular reason [TS]

01:32:13   but there is an aggregate to the [TS]

01:32:15   algorithm of deciding who's the most [TS]

01:32:17   efficient person overtime and best [TS]

01:32:19   person to pick up em like this is like [TS]

01:32:21   this is this is a common user this is a [TS]

01:32:23   VIP this is somebody has a high rating [TS]

01:32:25   this is somebody who tis good let's look [TS]

01:32:27   at the most obvious one [TS]

01:32:28   this is somebody who's leaving a [TS]

01:32:30   high-traffic area to go to another [TS]

01:32:32   high-traffic area [TS]

01:32:34   mm that's very desirable for anybody who [TS]

01:32:36   drives so for action so that stuff so as [TS]

01:32:40   we look at the future of Transportation [TS]

01:32:42   and we think well a lot of our [TS]

01:32:44   transportation systems are going to get [TS]

01:32:46   replaced supplanted by this private [TS]

01:32:50   infrastructure that's being privately [TS]

01:32:53   developed and is going to roll out on [TS]

01:32:55   the [TS]

01:32:55   terms of these private companies we're [TS]

01:32:59   in a way entering into and the week [TS]

01:33:03   potentially are entering into a new [TS]

01:33:04   realm where transportation is privileged [TS]

01:33:08   and all of the all of the the potential [TS]

01:33:12   of it which is like true mobility for [TS]

01:33:14   people true equitable mobility provided [TS]

01:33:19   by this amazing technology of on-demand [TS]

01:33:21   cars we squander because we let it be [TS]

01:33:27   rolled out on a for-profit basis based [TS]

01:33:31   on these pre-existing like what's your [TS]

01:33:34   you know do you have a five star rating [TS]

01:33:36   do you have an almost almost like a like [TS]

01:33:38   a credit score and there isn't any form [TS]

01:33:40   of redlining some ways yeah right and [TS]

01:33:41   cars are you standing there trying to [TS]

01:33:43   get a car in the rain and they're just [TS]

01:33:44   going by you going by you because [TS]

01:33:46   they're going they're off to pick up VIP [TS]

01:33:48   customers and you're waiting for the you [TS]

01:33:51   know the ramshackle you're waiting for [TS]

01:33:55   the intel car or whatever you're waiting [TS]

01:33:58   for the car that's branded right well [TS]

01:33:59   branded by chick-fil-a to come get you [TS]

01:34:04   because it's the only one that will [TS]

01:34:06   accept uncredited on you know one star [TS]

01:34:10   past like that the chinatown bus like [TS]

01:34:11   you you go to this court of last resort [TS]

01:34:13   that's really consistent in its way but [TS]

01:34:16   is is not the most convenient thing so [TS]

01:34:18   that's terrifying to me and that is the [TS]

01:34:20   thing that I feel like only city's only [TS]

01:34:22   municipalities only governments can [TS]

01:34:25   intervene and say no we are going to [TS]

01:34:28   control this grid we are going to [TS]

01:34:30   control this system this is a public [TS]

01:34:31   utility not a private enterprise because [TS]

01:34:36   it has to it has to serve the public [TS]

01:34:39   good and that is more important than [TS]

01:34:42   rewarding investors early investors [TS]

01:34:46   because what we can see now is that this [TS]

01:34:49   is inevitable [TS]

01:34:50   this is a this is where this is our [TS]

01:34:54   transportation future and transportation [TS]

01:34:56   is a public good and not it's one thing [TS]

01:35:00   to sell cars into a thing but private [TS]

01:35:04   companies don't own the roads and that's [TS]

01:35:07   what ultimately [TS]

01:35:09   our future is going to look like they're [TS]

01:35:11   going to say like oh yeah we'll pay for [TS]

01:35:13   pay for the roads with taxes but the [TS]

01:35:15   actual transportation system is going to [TS]

01:35:17   be privately owned by these tech [TS]

01:35:20   companies in competition with each other [TS]

01:35:21   and so cities have to get out of it and [TS]

01:35:23   they aren't no one is talking about it [TS]

01:35:26   and we're all arguing about whether or [TS]

01:35:28   not to unionize uber drivers and we're [TS]

01:35:31   arguing about what are you know whether [TS]

01:35:33   to put expect more express buses on the [TS]

01:35:35   road and it's like you guys we have to [TS]

01:35:38   be smarter than this but now i'm [TS]

01:35:42   thinking i guess and I'm I'm merely [TS]

01:35:44   playing devil's advocate but I think [TS]

01:35:46   about the position of pharmaceutical [TS]

01:35:49   industry who you know well you know [TS]

01:35:52   they're in the business of trying to [TS]

01:35:54   provide pharmaceuticals that help people [TS]

01:35:58   have better health but in the interest [TS]

01:36:00   of doing that they get things like a [TS]

01:36:02   patent where the only know only and only [TS]

01:36:04   they can produce this allergy pill for [TS]

01:36:07   whatever it is 10 years and they say [TS]

01:36:09   okay well now we're going to change [TS]

01:36:11   slightly change the capsule on this with [TS]

01:36:12   a different delivery mechanism a week [TS]

01:36:14   another 10 years out of that eventually [TS]

01:36:16   that goes to generics now their case is [TS]

01:36:17   going to be that there's a huge amount [TS]

01:36:19   of R&D in that is a huge amount of [TS]

01:36:21   testing is a huge just ridiculous amount [TS]

01:36:23   development so you know do we set aside [TS]

01:36:26   that the argument that in that case they [TS]

01:36:28   feel like that innovation is what [TS]

01:36:29   enables them to make those things do we [TS]

01:36:31   take into account how much of that is to [TS]

01:36:33   make your Peter hard versus how much it [TS]

01:36:34   is to really help people with diabetes [TS]

01:36:35   like where does what where are the lines [TS]

01:36:38   in deciding what at municipal level [TS]

01:36:41   we're deciding what private interests [TS]

01:36:43   can do in a common carrier kind of [TS]

01:36:46   environment [TS]

01:36:47   I mean that thing I think there are a [TS]

01:36:49   lot of cases to be made that the [TS]

01:36:50   pharmaceutical and industry [TS]

01:36:52   I like a lot of our medical practice is [TS]

01:36:55   deeply broken and the and the capitalism [TS]

01:36:58   that is rife in it it like it not only [TS]

01:37:02   gives us poorer outcomes are our [TS]

01:37:06   medicine is worse or treatment is worse [TS]

01:37:07   that the time factor is you know is a is [TS]

01:37:14   extended by decades like you could make [TS]

01:37:18   that case and and and we should be [TS]

01:37:20   making that case [TS]

01:37:22   but i think that transportation is in a [TS]

01:37:24   very different realm then Medicine just [TS]

01:37:28   in the sense that like pharmaceutical I [TS]

01:37:33   mean there is a huge difference between [TS]

01:37:35   boner pills and and heart medicine [TS]

01:37:38   yeah but the thing part of over success [TS]

01:37:40   I think has come out of the fact that [TS]

01:37:42   make just repeat myself that they were a [TS]

01:37:44   product that people didn't even know how [TS]

01:37:47   much they wanted people who could afford [TS]

01:37:48   it and it makes it must make it harder [TS]

01:37:51   to regulate them since they are so over [TS]

01:37:53   servicing the people who are in a [TS]

01:37:55   position of power to decide what's gonna [TS]

01:37:57   happen with it isn't that part of the [TS]

01:37:58   struggle [TS]

01:37:59   yeah well and also its I mean the big [TS]

01:38:02   part of the struggle is how do you get [TS]

01:38:04   how do you get governments to have this [TS]

01:38:08   kind of elasticity and smartness but i [TS]

01:38:10   think i think a better cop a better [TS]

01:38:12   comparison is that when electricity was [TS]

01:38:15   first invented there were probably 10 [TS]

01:38:20   different people trying to string up [TS]

01:38:24   independent elect electric utilities in [TS]

01:38:26   San Francisco who I mean there was [TS]

01:38:28   Edison and Tesla arguing about whether [TS]

01:38:31   or not it should be AC or DC there was [TS]

01:38:34   like that's to an elephant [TS]

01:38:35   that's right look what it does to an [TS]

01:38:36   elephant there was a lot of private [TS]

01:38:38   enterprise and there was a lot of that [TS]

01:38:39   argument of like well this was expensive [TS]

01:38:41   and when this is our proprietary [TS]

01:38:42   knowledge but at a certain point cities [TS]

01:38:45   realized that providing electrical [TS]

01:38:47   service was a common good and that it [TS]

01:38:51   couldn't be [TS]

01:38:52   we couldn't have 10 different electrical [TS]

01:38:53   networks we needed one and you know [TS]

01:38:56   originally there were a lot of different [TS]

01:38:58   people bringing water to the city and [TS]

01:39:01   then we had to make that a utility so [TS]

01:39:05   there-there there's plenty of there are [TS]

01:39:08   plenty of models where you see where [TS]

01:39:10   something transitions from a competitive [TS]

01:39:15   environment and this is why this is the [TS]

01:39:17   argument for municipal broadband right [TS]

01:39:19   that a certain point internet high speed [TS]

01:39:23   internet service passes beyond a [TS]

01:39:27   threshold where it is just a where where [TS]

01:39:32   it's a luxury and it becomes a necessity [TS]

01:39:35   and at the point at which it becomes a [TS]

01:39:38   necessity than city's needs to step in [TS]

01:39:40   and make sure that because right now in [TS]

01:39:41   seattle for instance comcast provides [TS]

01:39:44   much better much faster and more [TS]

01:39:46   reliable internet service to the rich [TS]

01:39:48   neighborhoods into the poor [TS]

01:39:49   neighborhoods and and you yell at them [TS]

01:39:54   about it and they go oh we definitely [TS]

01:39:57   are upgrading as we go and all this [TS]

01:39:59   stuff but they're not because they have [TS]

01:40:01   no incentive to write and so what you [TS]

01:40:05   see is more and more of our life is [TS]

01:40:07   going online and those companies exhibit [TS]

01:40:11   less and less of a and and innuendo the [TS]

01:40:15   the libertarian argument is like why [TS]

01:40:21   should they [TS]

01:40:22   you know what why should they provide a [TS]

01:40:25   public service there are for-profit [TS]

01:40:26   company and when you come up against [TS]

01:40:28   that attitude in a thing that becomes a [TS]

01:40:31   necessity then you say like well then [TS]

01:40:33   we're going to take that away from you [TS]

01:40:35   no one had no business has an intrinsic [TS]

01:40:37   right to the airwaves or really an [TS]

01:40:40   intrinsic right to any thing that's you [TS]

01:40:45   know that's just a that is just another [TS]

01:40:47   argument right it's just capitalism [TS]

01:40:50   isn't nature any more than anything else [TS]

01:40:53   and so I mean my argument in seattle is [TS]

01:40:57   we need a municipal broadband the city [TS]

01:40:58   should the city should supply internet [TS]

01:41:01   service the same way supplies [TS]

01:41:03   electricity and water because internet [TS]

01:41:05   service is becoming equivalent to those [TS]

01:41:07   things in terms of that that it needs to [TS]

01:41:11   be equally provided to every which [TS]

01:41:12   sounds a little dramatic until you [TS]

01:41:14   really think about it but if you really [TS]

01:41:16   if you think about the case of comcast [TS]

01:41:17   you can see those graphs on how I don't [TS]

01:41:20   know if it's something that might be [TS]

01:41:21   revenue enough subscribers but basically [TS]

01:41:23   in this past month the number of comcast [TS]

01:41:26   cable the cable cable revenue cable TV [TS]

01:41:30   revenue has now been equaled by the [TS]

01:41:32   broadband revenue so do you want to be [TS]

01:41:35   in our case like that you can have [TS]

01:41:37   comcast or you can use your phone [TS]

01:41:40   basically that's it's comcast that [TS]

01:41:41   that's really all there is in my [TS]

01:41:43   neighborhood period [TS]

01:41:44   yeah so I mean do we want to be subject [TS]

01:41:45   to the to the the [TS]

01:41:47   with the whims of that a company who's [TS]

01:41:50   gonna be effective on a national level [TS]

01:41:51   by different kinds of disruptions in [TS]

01:41:54   service would you want your local of [TS]

01:41:55   electricity to you know be insensitive [TS]

01:41:58   to what's happening and all these other [TS]

01:41:59   places that might and if the company is [TS]

01:42:01   running at something has a terrible time [TS]

01:42:02   in the Northeast so now your service [TS]

01:42:04   goes bad or something like that I think [TS]

01:42:05   you want to in October sort of like [TS]

01:42:07   firewall that service that is now it's [TS]

01:42:10   become so much more than just a fun way [TS]

01:42:12   to put people on facebook it's how [TS]

01:42:14   people conduct their business right it [TS]

01:42:16   is i mean it's it's absolutely a [TS]

01:42:17   necessity for rich and poor and the [TS]

01:42:19   poorest person in seattle is still going [TS]

01:42:21   to have to log onto the internet to how [TS]

01:42:24   do you get off its I mean how do you how [TS]

01:42:26   do you do apply for jobs how to do any [TS]

01:42:28   of that stuff [TS]

01:42:29   yeah at the more stuff that we put [TS]

01:42:30   online the more it becomes a public need [TS]

01:42:33   a public good and and I think you'll see [TS]

01:42:35   it with drones to there's there's an [TS]

01:42:37   argument that like what do you mean that [TS]

01:42:39   you know I invented this technology [TS]

01:42:40   drones and then five years from now when [TS]

01:42:44   our skies are full of unregulated drone [TS]

01:42:47   traffic your we're going to have to [TS]

01:42:50   recognize that it's a municipalities [TS]

01:42:52   it's ultimately like government job to [TS]

01:42:56   step in and say here are the regulations [TS]

01:42:57   on drones and all of the drone [TS]

01:43:01   entrepreneurs are going to scream bloody [TS]

01:43:03   murder about it but if the drone of [TS]

01:43:06   entrepreneurs are not regulated then we [TS]

01:43:08   will be living in a in a Victorian [TS]

01:43:11   environment [TS]

01:43:14   except instead of coal smoke its drone [TS]

01:43:18   noise as every you know as every [TS]

01:43:22   different you know amazon's running [TS]

01:43:24   their drones around and UPS has got [TS]

01:43:26   their drones and and the city of [TS]

01:43:28   Seattle's got their drones and the news [TS]

01:43:31   camera drones and then all the private [TS]

01:43:33   drones and it's just like wait a minute [TS]

01:43:35   no no no that's not we're not just gonna [TS]

01:43:38   it cannot be chaos [TS]

01:43:42   it's like it so much like being able to [TS]

01:43:44   ride your horse through somebody's yard [TS]

01:43:46   yeah it's like I no no there has to be [TS]

01:43:48   some boundaries for like where that's [TS]

01:43:49   okay and that and and we're coming out [TS]

01:43:52   of many many decades of lays a faire [TS]

01:43:55   economics and many many decades of kind [TS]

01:43:58   of like [TS]

01:43:59   ratcheting back big the idea of what [TS]

01:44:01   government does but ultimately [TS]

01:44:04   government is there to protect us and to [TS]

01:44:07   make collective decisions and as this [TS]

01:44:11   and there's a reason that the tech world [TS]

01:44:14   is libertarian it you know there's a [TS]

01:44:17   reason that libertarianism is at the [TS]

01:44:18   core of the tech world [TS]

01:44:20   well at least of the entrepreneurial [TS]

01:44:21   part of that the entrepreneurial part [TS]

01:44:23   yeah um and the and the pushback there's [TS]

01:44:26   all kinds of hippies making the code but [TS]

01:44:28   for sure but if you want to be the first [TS]

01:44:30   to market and get the funding and be the [TS]

01:44:32   gorilla and you know the same way [TS]

01:44:34   blu-ray beach HD like you know what my [TS]

01:44:36   railroad my computer railroad to be the [TS]

01:44:38   one that wins [TS]

01:44:38   yeah and and what that's going to do i [TS]

01:44:40   think is push us into a climate where [TS]

01:44:43   there's a new brand there's a new [TS]

01:44:46   understanding of the importance of [TS]

01:44:47   government and the power of government [TS]

01:44:49   and and technology is also going to [TS]

01:44:53   reform government and make it better at [TS]

01:44:55   what it does and and we're you know [TS]

01:44:59   we're probably entering into a few [TS]

01:45:00   decades of of real tussle between [TS]

01:45:05   between company like tech companies and [TS]

01:45:11   government as government seeks to assert [TS]

01:45:14   that a lot of these technologies yes [TS]

01:45:17   were developed in your laboratories but [TS]

01:45:19   now they constitute a public good and [TS]

01:45:21   now they need to they need to conform [TS]

01:45:24   and and that's exciting [TS]

01:45:28   it's very exciting because the prospect [TS]

01:45:30   of autonomously driven electric cars [TS]

01:45:33   that truly are that truly have a kind of [TS]

01:45:36   equitability based in Brook baked into [TS]

01:45:39   them like that is that's truly a social [TS]

01:45:43   justice issue right people can finally [TS]

01:45:45   move around without the owner's expense [TS]

01:45:50   of maintaining and parking and and [TS]

01:45:54   operating their jalopies I don't think [TS]

01:45:58   that's what those folks have in mind [TS]

01:45:59   no I don't think it is what they have in [TS]

01:46:01   mind at all but that is really the [TS]

01:46:04   exciting possibility of it and we need [TS]

01:46:08   to ensure that that's how that that's [TS]

01:46:10   how it rolls [TS]

01:46:11   out because I you know I mean if you [TS]

01:46:15   look at the if you look at the [TS]

01:46:16   autonomously driven cars that are that [TS]

01:46:18   are rolling out right now there's a [TS]

01:46:20   mercedes-benz got one that's just like [TS]

01:46:22   oh man this is really nice really luxury [TS]

01:46:26   item these first cars that drive [TS]

01:46:29   themselves but really in a very short [TS]

01:46:33   amount of time we're going to realize i [TS]

01:46:35   think as a group of people that their [TS]

01:46:36   taxi caps that all of them are taxi caps [TS]

01:46:39   and nobody's going to own their own one [TS]

01:46:42   they're all going to be no I mean not to [TS]

01:46:44   push the analogy but no more than you [TS]

01:46:45   would own your own private train tracks [TS]

01:46:48   exactly you don't owe you don't own your [TS]

01:46:50   own Street you just you know it's it's [TS]

01:46:56   all owned collectively part of value is [TS]

01:46:58   that the streets connect with other [TS]

01:47:00   streets and if you're a super rich dude [TS]

01:47:03   and you only want to travel around in a [TS]

01:47:04   super luxury version of of the [TS]

01:47:08   autonomous car then sure man [TS]

01:47:10   maybe you have one that's your special [TS]

01:47:13   one that's great for you but 99% of us [TS]

01:47:16   are going to be so grateful to never [TS]

01:47:18   owned a car again [TS]

01:47:20   I mean honestly the car driving right [TS]

01:47:22   now and and the cars in my family what [TS]

01:47:24   we're all talking about this in my [TS]

01:47:25   family a lot and and the consensus is [TS]

01:47:28   can we milk these cars until we don't [TS]

01:47:33   need them and that's that's totally on [TS]

01:47:34   my mind we have a leased car right now [TS]

01:47:36   and I i would love for it to be the last [TS]

01:47:38   Carwyn yeah and and i think we're [TS]

01:47:40   looking at [TS]

01:47:41   I mean when I Drive by a car lot right [TS]

01:47:42   now I'm like these are the last of these [TS]

01:47:44   or you know there they'll keep making [TS]

01:47:47   them but but people applied that are [TS]

01:47:50   like it's going to vary so much by area [TS]

01:47:52   though because for example [TS]

01:47:54   ok like two places i've just been [TS]

01:47:55   recently Boston providence portland I [TS]

01:48:03   mean boy the needs of those cities can [TS]

01:48:05   be served in such different ways like [TS]

01:48:08   the idea of not having a car is a [TS]

01:48:11   Providence is its mental like you you [TS]

01:48:13   it's like you know it's maybe not as [TS]

01:48:15   much as in Florida in Florida is [TS]

01:48:17   completely mental like you have to have [TS]

01:48:19   a car period that's the way the whole [TS]

01:48:20   state is set up whereas here I mean I [TS]

01:48:23   will [TS]

01:48:23   the reason we did this my wife needs it [TS]

01:48:25   to get to work in an efficient way to [TS]

01:48:26   still have a life but boy I we were [TS]

01:48:29   right on the bubble [TS]

01:48:30   I mean we you know if you suck it up a [TS]

01:48:32   little bit you can make it with public [TS]

01:48:33   transit and a little bit of lyft and [TS]

01:48:34   uber but it's it's not it's not there [TS]

01:48:37   yet but i think it may be way closer [TS]

01:48:39   than a lot of people you know in a place [TS]

01:48:41   like Florida or you know Missouri maybe [TS]

01:48:43   it's coming some places faster than a [TS]

01:48:46   lot of people realize really i mean san [TS]

01:48:49   francisco and seattle and portland will [TS]

01:48:51   be in la will be the first places [TS]

01:48:54   well maybe for example since I was just [TS]

01:48:55   going to mention this that I I should [TS]

01:48:57   track down my reference on this but you [TS]

01:48:59   know we have a huge problem in san [TS]

01:49:00   francisco i think it's problem of people [TS]

01:49:02   basically it's very easy i don't know if [TS]

01:49:05   it's money or its influence or it's just [TS]

01:49:06   lying but it's not that hard to get a [TS]

01:49:10   disabled permit alright in san francisco [TS]

01:49:13   at which means a you get to park where [TS]

01:49:15   you want and be you don't have to pay [TS]

01:49:17   for parking [TS]

01:49:18   you can park in a meter space with a [TS]

01:49:19   disabled tech are the people who need [TS]

01:49:21   those absolutely but the one count i [TS]

01:49:24   heard is that's there's something like [TS]

01:49:26   twice as many disabled permits as there [TS]

01:49:28   are extant metered spaces in San [TS]

01:49:30   Francisco [TS]

01:49:31   wow I mean how does that scale up I mean [TS]

01:49:33   there's so much wrong with that I don't [TS]

01:49:35   even know where to begin but like that [TS]

01:49:36   it doesn't add up [TS]

01:49:38   I mean if it's it's sort of like you [TS]

01:49:39   said with the like the train between LA [TS]

01:49:41   and San Francisco like what are your [TS]

01:49:42   options drive for six to eight hours [TS]

01:49:44   yeah you can you can take a flight but [TS]

01:49:47   you end up spending more time in [TS]

01:49:48   airports and you do in the sky [TS]

01:49:49   yeah it's completely inefficient when [TS]

01:49:52   really there's there's these two places [TS]

01:49:53   here the solution [TS]

01:49:54   these are two cities that people want to [TS]

01:49:55   get get from one to the other pretty [TS]

01:49:57   often more so than other cities is it as [TS]

01:50:00   fast can you get to burbank that fast [TS]

01:50:01   no but once you get to LA you go to [TS]

01:50:03   burbank you'll be good that smile can be [TS]

01:50:05   accomplished lots of different ways we [TS]

01:50:06   don't need a train between every city [TS]

01:50:08   but like there's somewhere like a [TS]

01:50:09   no-brainer and I feel like I feel like [TS]

01:50:11   all of this is late-stage capitalism [TS]

01:50:14   right if you zoom out just a little bit [TS]

01:50:18   and say okay let's not presume that [TS]

01:50:20   capitalism as currently practiced is a [TS]

01:50:24   natural system that that God imposed [TS]

01:50:29   upon its just you know what it's a [TS]

01:50:31   thought technology let's just assume for [TS]

01:50:33   a minute yeah we know is really we know [TS]

01:50:35   it really is but let's act [TS]

01:50:37   it's not for just a second yeah let's [TS]

01:50:38   zoom out and see it for what it is which [TS]

01:50:42   is at an overlay it's an attempt to [TS]

01:50:45   resolve a problem with a system and now [TS]

01:50:50   you can see all of the ways that it is [TS]

01:50:52   currently failing it is failing to solve [TS]

01:50:57   the problem of getting from San [TS]

01:50:58   Francisco to LA for instance that is a [TS]

01:51:00   problem and it is a problem that [TS]

01:51:03   technology's there are a lot of [TS]

01:51:05   technologies we could employ but [TS]

01:51:08   currently the technologies and the [TS]

01:51:10   regulatory environment and our concept [TS]

01:51:13   of private property and the and all that [TS]

01:51:16   stuff working together is making it very [TS]

01:51:19   very increasingly difficult not easier [TS]

01:51:23   it is harder to get from San Francisco [TS]

01:51:24   to LA now than it was in 1964 because [TS]

01:51:30   imagine if you'd said that the people [TS]

01:51:31   back then i can read a bunch era if [TS]

01:51:32   you'd said it's actually going to take [TS]

01:51:34   longer and be more resource intensive [TS]

01:51:35   like all of the highways that we just [TS]

01:51:39   completed here here we are nineteen [TS]

01:51:40   sixty all of these highways that we just [TS]

01:51:42   completed that make it easy to get from [TS]

01:51:44   place to place and these brand new jet [TS]

01:51:45   airplanes that are allowing us to get [TS]

01:51:47   from place to place [TS]

01:51:48   let me give you a little glimpse of 2015 [TS]

01:51:51   the highways will be exactly the same [TS]

01:51:53   and the airplanes will be exactly the [TS]

01:51:56   same except there will be hundreds of [TS]

01:52:00   thousands of more people using them [TS]

01:52:02   we're not going to be using the planes [TS]

01:52:03   you invented this year we're going to be [TS]

01:52:05   using planes you invent we're gonna [TS]

01:52:06   still be using the 757 Yeah Yeah Yeah [TS]

01:52:08   right like like the the brand-new [TS]

01:52:11   playing the top-of-the-line jet airplane [TS]

01:52:13   of 2015 is a minor series of minor [TS]

01:52:18   improvements over this plantation as [TS]

01:52:20   Eastern in pain points while you can and [TS]

01:52:22   you know and the highways to and the [TS]

01:52:25   internal like you could drive your 1959 [TS]

01:52:28   Chevy from San Francisco to LA in 1959 [TS]

01:52:32   and and now and it would take you longer [TS]

01:52:34   now it would be worse even if the car [TS]

01:52:36   was pristine and so if you zoom out a [TS]

01:52:39   little bit and you say ok let's start [TS]

01:52:41   thinking a little bit bigger and say [TS]

01:52:43   capitalism is gross okay fine it's great [TS]

01:52:47   everybody calm down it's fine i'm not a [TS]

01:52:48   communist I'm not trying to take away [TS]

01:52:50   your [TS]

01:52:50   fuckin house I don't want to make a [TS]

01:52:52   doctor zhivago apartment out of your out [TS]

01:52:55   of your family home just hush-hush but [TS]

01:52:59   can we can we step back and say [TS]

01:53:02   capitalism is an idea it's a thought [TS]

01:53:03   technology and a lot of irregular a lot [TS]

01:53:06   of the government regulation we have [TS]

01:53:07   that is also badly designed is badly [TS]

01:53:11   designed in conjunction with [TS]

01:53:13   capitalistic problems like the the [TS]

01:53:16   regulation responded to the capitalism [TS]

01:53:19   and the capitalism response to the [TS]

01:53:21   regulations and that's an unholy [TS]

01:53:22   relationship and like let's zoom out a [TS]

01:53:25   little bit and just start to think about [TS]

01:53:27   some of this stuff a little bit more [TS]

01:53:29   calmly and purposefully and imagine what [TS]

01:53:35   a better system we could make with some [TS]

01:53:38   minor modifications and some of that is [TS]

01:53:40   like some of that is we have to put caps [TS]

01:53:44   on how much people can make we really do [TS]

01:53:47   you can't just invent an app that you [TS]

01:53:52   can't just invent angry birds and become [TS]

01:53:54   a billionaire I don't care i understand [TS]

01:53:58   how it works [TS]

01:53:59   I understand that you write angry birds [TS]

01:54:01   and it becomes a smash and then you're [TS]

01:54:03   cutting you sell your company for a [TS]

01:54:05   billion dollars but you zoom out a [TS]

01:54:08   little bit and you realize that's busted [TS]

01:54:11   that's busted angry birds is great it's [TS]

01:54:14   fine but it is it isn't worth a billion [TS]

01:54:17   dollars of our collective resources we [TS]

01:54:21   should not pay that to you and the fact [TS]

01:54:25   that we do is crazy and so there has to [TS]

01:54:27   be some kind of sense of of of [TS]

01:54:35   equitability by and I don't just mean [TS]

01:54:38   like a guaranteed universal income but [TS]

01:54:41   just a sense of like what is your actual [TS]

01:54:43   contribution what is what what what does [TS]

01:54:46   this really do and what is this really [TS]

01:54:48   worth in there and and take this like [TS]

01:54:50   Wall Street a casino mentality and see [TS]

01:54:56   it for what it is and and recognize that [TS]

01:54:58   it doesn't help us [TS]

01:55:00   and the idea and the argument that that [TS]

01:55:02   money that the money orgy is the best [TS]

01:55:08   and most efficient way of directing [TS]

01:55:10   resources to innovation and directing [TS]

01:55:13   resources to you know to experimentation [TS]

01:55:17   and and and that's how you know the [TS]

01:55:20   money follows at the success and [TS]

01:55:22   generates success [TS]

01:55:24   it's just like no no that's crazy that's [TS]

01:55:26   crazy [TS]

01:55:28   it's create we are living in a crazy [TS]

01:55:30   world and we do have the brains and we [TS]

01:55:34   have the knowledge we have the data we [TS]

01:55:36   have the instruments to measure how [TS]

01:55:39   crazy it is and to see it and do better [TS]

01:55:43   and to do better regulate tomorrow i [TS]

01:55:50   guess i'm running for public office [TS]

01:55:53   oh you're kidding yeah tomorrow is [TS]

01:55:55   election day [TS]