Roderick on the Line

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00:00:31 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin is goin good i [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► just got to my office and there was a [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► nice gift waiting [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► it's a graphic novel called the Divine [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► it was a gift from ryan cons Brooks and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► he said that it is a it would be a good [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► book for Roger on the line because it [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► has Vietcong and owls and a bomb [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► technician and some mysticism how men [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► that who isn't that a thoughtful gift [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► that's incredibly violent man i love [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► getting presence [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► yeah graphic novels that should have [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► been written by us or about us provide [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► us [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► oh you know I have the you know Jeff [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► Gordon's fantastic beginning to a [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► graphic novel i think it still is it [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► still pregnant with possibility [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► uh-huh but it would be it would have to [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► be 7,000 pages we can crowdsource that [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► it could be like when they remade Star [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► Wars to see a scene at a time you know [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► browsers have people do a page [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► everybody does a page well I mean [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► hopefully find 7,000 people but it can [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► be like american splendor whatever [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► wherever you are [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► people would get mad at him and stop [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► drawing his comic book and then somebody [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► else would start and set the reason i [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► don't know i always assumed you seem [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► like a pretty easy like a pretty prickly [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► I'll i really loved his work [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► particularly the oh yeah all the great [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► collaborations all great [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► I you know I know him i've looked at [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► American Splendor I haven't spent much [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► time with that I mainly know him from [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► Letterman yeah where he was just here I [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► think amongst the early Letterman [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► standouts he was a special stand out [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► because he I mean I think we talked [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► about this before but unlike somebody [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► like Charles Grodin I don't think it was [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a bit i think he genuinely hate Dave [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► yeah sure sure he hated being there [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► there's a lot there's a lot about Dave [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► to hate but yeah he he hated he was so [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► much hate in the world some get em John [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► ok [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► so much hate I'm how do you feel about [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► Dennis Eichorn he talked about that as I [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► corn uh-huh i don't i don't know i am [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► not familiar with this works so similar [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► situation all of his all of his workers [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► collaboration with other artists and so [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► his comic books have no there's not a [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► real like unifying artistic are unifying [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► artist let's say right and so you know [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's autobiographical comics but over [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► the course of multiple volumes you get [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► the you get all these different peoples [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► take on what he looks like and what the [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► world looks like it's a it because the [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► heart becomes like another character you [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► know comic fans but you know also comic [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► creators get our rap you know for being [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► nerds understandably but the people that [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► I know who make comics their work what [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► blows me away because I mean the quality [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► of work that people managed to produce [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► incredible but what you're describing is [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► is how the process generally works which [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► is there's one person who writes a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► script and there's another person and [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► maybe even another country who's doing [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the drawings and that's not including [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► the people who in caller eight you know [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► that ends up having a huge impact on how [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► it looks but it takes a ridiculous [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► amount of collaboration like down to the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► point where like you think the thing is [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► done but now you have to reduce the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► amount of dialogue to fit in the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► available space for the word balloons [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► oh word balloons but it's invite like [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► it's you know it's it's it's like you [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► know it's one thing to collaborate on a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► novel or something but I mean that's [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► just all words and you can kind of make [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► it sound the same but I don't know they [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► get some an amazing process i would like [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► to someday not today probably but i like [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► to someday explore your past [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► relationship with comics which which you [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► know it's kind of a bit that you know [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► you make fun of the comics people but [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► you also seem to have had a fair number [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► of grown-up funny books you've liked [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► over the years mmmm [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► and you know I i am a product of the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► comics i am i am a man made almost [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► entirely of comics this from your time [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► at the end you stand no no my whole life [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► I mean I was a kid in comics I was a [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► preteen in comics I was a teen in comics [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► but i but i always was i always felt ask [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► you I always felt out out of the gang [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► not I didn't like the comics that other [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► kids liked and the comics that i [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► did--like i couldn't find any money to [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► share in those comics [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► uh-huh you know I couldn't find a single [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► other eleven-year-old that like trots [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and Bonnie and I was starved for trucks [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► and Bonnie I wanted every bit of trucks [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► and Bonnie I could find [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► that's funny but nobody had ever heard [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► of trucks and Bonnie and no band that's [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► just wasn't a world than any other kids [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► wanted to share and sherry Fleniken [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that's rides i actually I actually wrote [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► her one time asking if she would send me [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► a drawing [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► well it looks really old timey longer [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► it's wonderful [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► oh wow look at this is in National [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Lampoon's that right was in the National [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► Lampoon which wich eleven-year-old [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► should not be allowed access to all boy [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that's it wasn't too long after eleven [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► when I discovered national and pin yeah [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► and-and-and so that was so that was [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► always the problem right [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► eleven-year-olds twelve-year-olds uh i [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► mean i was into Lord of the Rings like [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► anyone but i also just was just was so [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► crazy about national lampoon couldn't [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► find a single other kid that had ever [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► heard of it let alone cared about it so [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► so the comics were always another comics [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► just like music right i mean i make fun [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► of music people in them just so i have [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► so many like obviously strong things to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► say about musics but also i am [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► completely made of music I just was [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► always outside the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► I don't mean the mainstream i mean i was [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► outside of the alternative mainstream I [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► mean right you and I were always going [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► to be alternative people but the the [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► problem is ru ru in the are you in the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► stream or you out of the stream and if [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you're if you're if I always dreamt of [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► being like alt but right in the heart of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► alt the alt aesthetic right and my taste [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► was like right in the center and I [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► thought all the things that were cool [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► were cool and I thought all the things [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► that were uncool uncool and I was like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► in I i was always going to be an [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► alternative culture person but I also [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► thought that alternative culture was [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► stupid but it took I mean the thing is [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► it's ai ai ai ai no this is so obvious [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► and I say it all the time but I can [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► really can never get over how different [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► everything is today in in one important [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► way he was talking to somebody about [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► this recently just about how how [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► difficult it was to engage with anything [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► that wasn't in the mainstream but how [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► difficult it was to even find out what [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► your options were [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► yeah that you had to go i mean like for [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► me like Rolling Stone magazine seemed a [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► little bit radical for a time I mean [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► eventually that would become like [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► maximum rock'n'roll or something but [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► even that's like that's like that's a [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► scene that you can get more or less [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► nationally it's you you have a rabbi to [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► like kind of make a tape for you to [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► explain what your options even were yeah [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► and the and the you know the problem for [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► us you and me our age is that there was [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► there was boot that the kind of boomer [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► alternative culture fabulous very freak [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► brothers wii magazine all these things [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► we've talked about but that didn't [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► belong to us we were too young for them [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► and so you would discover them you know [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► you discover a pile of of of you know [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► magazines that had naked pictures in [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► them but also a lot of cultural stuff [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► comics and were like underground comix [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► underground comics and and [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► and you know like even the stereo [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► reviews in oui magazine were interesting [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► right it's not it was before was before [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► lad magazines had digress to just being [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► advertising you know you'd read the read [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► the hifi reviews in one of those [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► nineteen seventies kind of men's [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► magazines and they were really [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► well-written contentious argumentative [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► so but but it was all because you know [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► because they're their vision of the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► future there nineteen seventies vision [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► of the future was that you know smoking [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► pot was something that a that a that [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► cultured cool intelligent people did and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► and they spent their money on on their [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► stereo systems and their clothes mean it [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► was like pre war on drugs and pre aids [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► uh-huh [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► it seemed like the future and and it [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► seems like this is what the district [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► cool people are going to be doing now [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► and this situation the seventies as [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► being people not even realizing how much [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► it was still the sixties in a lot of [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► ways but at the same time eventually not [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► it realizing how much like the eighties [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► it was becoming yeah right it was a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► friend and as a ten-year-old I was just [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► excited initially to get pictures of [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► naked ladies [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► uh-huh but then eighty percent of those [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► magazines were articles and when you sit [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► with them long enough you know it was 10 [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► years old was before I knew how to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► masturbate [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► so I just why don't I don't even know [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► why I wanted pictures of naked ladies I [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► just wanted them right they were [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► something i was denied and so you get [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► them and you look at the naked ladies [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and you go wow they're naked [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► uh-huh and then pretty soon run out of [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► things to do and start reading the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► articles and and and yet it wasn't you [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► know that stuff wasn't meant for me [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► write it was meant for people that had [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► lived through the sixties or people who [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► were 22 and and I was 10 and so that set [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► me on course when [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► when punk rock arrived I was already had [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it in a way it was like completely [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► revolutionary and scary to me and and [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► compelling but i also was aware two of [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► the things that you know it punk wasn't [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► the first time I heard about prague or [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► whatever else you know so it was I was [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► just so lame to be a kid I wish I could [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► go back and just put myself in a bubble [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► is insufferable but you know that's what [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that's ninety percent of what this [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► program is about how terrible 1977 ones [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► yeah 80 80 80 was terrible yeah yeah but [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► you know it's it's it's the older you [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► get the more you you have time to [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► evaluate like what made a horrible it's [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► like for a long time you think well I'd [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► if I had more information [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► mmm things would be better if I had more [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► exposure to things things would be [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► better i just think i have to be honest [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► now I really feel like I just would have [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► different problems I just would've been [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► screwed up in a different way i think [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► that's that's the dirty little secret of [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► being what between the ages of let's say [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► 11 and 17 isn't it has to be a mess [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► yeah and yeah and I did I definitely [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► didn't need more information I had more [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► than I could handle but-but-but comics [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you know comics saved my life just as [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► much as they saved anybody else's life i [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► just could not abide superheroes who and [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► there are so many comics so many acres [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► and acres of comics that a then I was i [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► I was buried under them just as much as [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► anybody else was but when I popped up [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► out of that pile waving some mysterious [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► thing I'd found and saying look at this [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► is amazing i could not find a single [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► other kit to share in that with me and [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► part of that is is being from Alaska i [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► think if i was living in ohio i might [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► have finally found some other weird oh [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► yeah um a lot of weirdos in Ohio you [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► know what every weirdo i know is from [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► Ohio you know about Texas and Florida [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► wanna know I i feel like the weirdos [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that I know from Texas and Florida when [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► you really get down to it they're not [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► weirdos they are they're adapting yeah [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► well they do some weird stuff but [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► ultimately like they're the cool normal [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► people i mean you know i have one friend [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► from Florida who's who's pretty fucking [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► weird but what it what it really is is [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that his dad was really weird and he's [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► been working and he's been working that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► off his whole life but the people i know [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► from ohio or just generally so this is [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the thing right the people in Texas and [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► and in California and Florida that I [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that I know personally that are weird [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► when you really dig down into him their [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► regular and I mean that in the best [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► possible way the people from ohio seemed [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► really regular that's why I yeah I yeah [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► okay I get what you mean but you dig [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► down inside of them and they're and like [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► they are thinking about having sex with [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► an octopus who you know what I mean like [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► them and you and they look at me just [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► like what are you doing today and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► they're just like nothing but they're [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► really thinking about having sex with [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► anonymous or something worse since i [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► made a good case for this and explain [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► what it's like to be from like the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► middle of Pennsylvania where you know he [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► was into certain kind of hair metal but [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► he's also into his church and so you [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► know he's talked about how weird stuff [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► gets in the suburbs you know in the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► middle of Pennsylvania which I i [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► instantly understood what he meant [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► even though for me that was usually [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► actually florida which is like you know [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► you don't have enough exposure to know [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► how weird you really are like if you [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► ever tried to go make a case for what [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► you're doing to other people like if [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► you're weird if you're in California [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► Florida or Texas work like you'll find [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► lots you'll find a community of other [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► weirdos neck that can help you [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► recalibrate how you should be doing your [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► weirdness [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah you have to be weird on your own in [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► ohio well and so yes you have to be [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► weird on your own and also it's like the [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► the concentration of people in Ohio [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► like you have to be weird on your own [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► but you are surrounded by people it's a [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► incredibly populous state and not a not [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► a huge state but really full of people [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► so even even if you're like farm Ohio [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► you know there are farms all around you [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► there's no sense like like you have out [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► in the west where you can go somewhere [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► and there's not gonna be anybody right [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► and so that that I think is what that's [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► that like draw the blinds and think [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► you're weird thoughts and gain kind of [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► stuff yeah right we got was first time I [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► heard guided by voices I was like oh boy [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► there's a tool shed out behind this [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► guy's house that I never want to go in [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► because he's cut he's got nipples [TS]

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00:17:50 ◼   ► yeah you can make your own culture [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► yeah make your own culture that's right [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► d.i.y I there there are some comic book [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► artist that I still wish that I could [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► sit down with Dennis I corners one Julie [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Doucette i just wish i could sit with [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► them for a while and just be friends [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► we should reach out to them i think [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► dennis Eichorn lives and in the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► northwest lucky i think i even have his [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► email address some time but i don't i'm [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► not sure what I would say hi [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► fine I know I know I know I yeah but [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► yeah but I feel the same way sometimes [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► I'll say hi to people on Twitter and it [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► it feels incredibly random and i'm not [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sure why I'm doing it [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► I'll just say thank you know I just [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► really like that thing you do that's all [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah I was gonna say you know I [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► mean I'm even even know it Brubaker we [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► deal [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► yeah he and i were we were friends next [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► comic state i know it does [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► we're friends we he lived in seattle and [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► we were coffee shop pals here here's [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► your you always blow me away [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► yeah we were coffee shop pals and I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► think he'll I think he liked my [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► girlfriend and one day it was a hot [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► summer day ever told you the story don't [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► think so hot summer day were sitting [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► around the cafe at brubakers there he [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► stays working at levis vest cut the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► sleeves off hot looking pretty look [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► pretty cool and I'm sitting there and [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► we're both flirting with the coffee shop [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► barista [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and I look over and then and I'm [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► learning look at--look it under heads [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► best animal yet are you are you wearing [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► a shoulder holster and he goes smooth [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► what oh yes well what do you know what [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► you make and closes I'm like well I mean [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► it's a hot summer day and we're all not [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► wearing any clothes but you are wearing [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► a vest and now i'm looking at it you're [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► wearing a gun and he was wearing a gun [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► in a shoulder holster and I would I was [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and that was not that was not customary [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► at the time and I qwizdom on it and he [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► didn't really wanna didn't really want [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► to talk about it but it but it was not [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► let's just let's just say that the levis [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► best was not sufficient cover to also be [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► wearing a shoulder holster it was like [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► almost like wearing a black bra [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► somewhere you kind of want people to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► notice it was learned it it was very [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► much like wearing a black bra under [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► under a thin white t-shirt [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► uh-huh and you know but it was the early [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► nineties we were all trying stuff out [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► I'm not sure whether it's still carries [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► a gun but early nineties you know it was [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► sort of like well Who am I going to be [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► what kind of guy am i going to be just [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► trying stuff on [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► yeah am I gonna be the shoulder holster [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► under Levi's best guy I John data that [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► is not something I see every day not [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► only that's a silly generous look right [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► and I mean this was pre fedora era right [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► so you couldn't in 1992 you couldn't [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► walk around Seattle wearing a fedora you [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► just couldn't do it [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► uh-huh wouldn't have flown but a but a [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► shoulder holster huh maybe maybe so [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► yeah but i had 90 each other pretty well [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► and that in the time and it's easier is [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► very well-regarded yeah he makes a lot [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► of comics and he does he does i think [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► arguably he did one of the best captain [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► america's ever and his is none superior [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► stuff he did something called the towel [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► it's really good and it is something [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► called velvet [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► it's really good that you might like [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► they're both kinda like no Norrish [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► things while the twist nowhere dunno [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah he was a like he did [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► lowlife comics back in the back in the [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► old days and and was he was he started [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► as an alternative comics guy and then [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► moved into B into the men in tights or [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► her stuff sounds like it's pretty rough [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► to work for Marvel it's a pretty rough [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► company is that right [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► you mean like rough trade mm well you [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know their company they move pretty [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► quick but yeah yeah yeahs something [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► pretty pretty [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► it's a lot of work and you know they [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► don't ya the names you hear about they [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► don't get paid as much as people would [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► think oh right i mean they're great [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► they're artists great and it's hard to [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► do and it takes a long time and then [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► they get ripped off I wonder I wonder if [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► there are any other artists that could [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► relate to that it's kinda like Pro [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► Wrestling that publishing uh-huh [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► did you know Jason Lutz are you familiar [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► with his work [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► nope but I'll find out J so also great [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► great stuff he drew the Drew a car [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► harvey danger t-shirt for us when we [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► were in the Harvey dangers but he also [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► did a graphic novel about um he did he [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► did a long-running graphic novel called [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► jar of fools and there was a lot of the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► early stuff took place in a cafe in my [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► cafe so reading those early novels it he [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► was easy is a great draftsperson mi wow [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► these are wonderful and the that is my [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► cafe where I spent every minute of my [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► early twenties and he drew and and the [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► barista the teachers in his in that cafe [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that the sort of the barista character [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► is a very very good rendition of a vote [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► of a gal that I was really close with [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and so that was that was one of the that [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that was a situation where [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► Mike was being drawn in real time in up [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► in and about my actual world and there's [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► a kind of fat you know there's a fantasy [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► magic element to it that that you know [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► that made it a different kind of thing [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► but you know that feeling when you're in [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► your early twenties or like we are we [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► are live we are living inside of the art [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► oh man those moments are so exciting [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah you can get that anytime today [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► but I mean like back then that was a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► really big deal because somebody you [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► knew was on the radio like you talk [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► about that for a week more flakes of its [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► like your neighborhood was mentioned in [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the paper is a huge deal [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► ya know a solution that spelled like the [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► fella plural of the musical instrument [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► do rights in the right and then of [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► course Chris where Jimmy Corrigan much I [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► loved his band but it's actually goes by [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► William now what William local road [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► Corrigan oh I've been to the doctor a [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► lot lately i was gonna ask you about [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► that I I as I was sitting here waiting [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► for waiting for you I was sitting and [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► thinking I wonder if John's sick [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► this seems like about the time that you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► would be sick [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► normal seems like with conditions and [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► and whatnot this would be about the time [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► that you would be getting sick [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► normally I would be getting sick em [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► under these conditions and I am I am [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► sort of sick but the conditions are so [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► extreme that I don't even know if [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► sickness can gain purchase and me I'm [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► listening but I'm i have been going to [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the doctor [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► uh-huh I've got to various doctors with [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► more to come and sort of i won't say [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► disappointingly but all the doctors seem [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► to agree that i'm in fine health perfect [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► Hale and Hardy really and and I keep [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► wanting to go to a doctor and have them [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► say years I am confirming your [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► suspicions [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► there's something really wrong with you [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► and all these other hacks missed it you [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► hiding in plain sight you're a very sick [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► man John yeah [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► yep but you kind of want that you kind [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of want somebody to just go it's [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► probably worse than we thought [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► yeah here's why [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► is why it's so hard haha I get it yes [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► you have a terrible terrible undiagnosed [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► condition [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► this explains everything this explains [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► everything yeah i'm always looking for [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► this even if it's terrible news [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► there's a part of me that the the atd a [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► part of my brain is like at last we have [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► some resolution right [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► this explains every yes you have an [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► extra pancreas like it's beyond rare [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► it's it it's unprecedented and once we [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► take out your your 2nd pancreas then you [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► will stop making so much biol here's the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► thing with a man understand John is that [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► the human body is a lot like the state [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► of Ohio it's a lot there's a lot of [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► people in there [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► you can't just suddenly have an extra [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► pancreas in ohio you gotta go we gotta [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► get that out safely [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► that's right you think that would [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► explain the bile and yet every doctor I [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► go to says well all your readings are [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► normal you don't appear to have any [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► arterial sclerosis or you don't seem to [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► have diverticulitis and you don't have [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► any of the other like a Victorian [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► diseases that used to play your mother's [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► family so I'm not sure maybe you should [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► eat less and exercise and you have a [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► touch of the graph a little bit Roxy [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► have you ever considered meditation i'm [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► actually had a couple of doctors say [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► that to mom so tired of people [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► recommended meditation shut up and just [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► stop it [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► give me some kind of diagnosis where AI [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► don't have to have a pill [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► yeah and bi don't have to go meditate [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► what I want is for you to take something [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► out of me [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► well I wouldn't let me just say like I [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► have a lot of Aloha for meditation it's [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► a great thing I'm just tired of that [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► being the answer [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► yeah because yeah okay I know I know how [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► to meditate I can do that but I want [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► something I want something more [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► conclusive like an extra organized want [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► something where that explains everything [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► that doesn't explain go meditate does [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► not explain everything that's what every [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► doctor has told me for years [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► yeah I keep thinking that they're gonna [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► look at me and they're going to say oh [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► my god one of your lungs is much smaller [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► than the other you have you have it you [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► have tiny long syndrome what [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► normal-sized one-on-one time you John [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► this is extremely unusual do it you ever [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► feel loved more tired than you'd like [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► yeah you sometimes struggle for breath [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► there you are easy gasping you have a [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► tiny tiny lung we need to get we need to [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► fly you immediately to a clinic in Ohio [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the tiny Lincoln we're at war team of [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► specialized doctors from around the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► world with with the with pins neces and [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► Boris Karloff beards are going to study [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► you will pay you will pay you for the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► study and then we'll replace that tiny [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► loan or will not i'm not replace it will [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► inflate it [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► it is a modern miracle is a hit is able [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► to live in pleased at all [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► look at this look at this truck is [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► shocking state defense but it's rocky [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► look see how small his noses [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it's like trying to smoke pipe tobacco [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► through a children straw so it's sort of [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► a vestigial it's really so frustrating [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► it's so frustrating but just want I just [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► want to I just want some kind of I just [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► want some sort of easy solution what is [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it what it is is I won't be i want the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► star trek teleporter her that experience [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► where you turn to return to kind of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► crystal sparkles and there's a [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► high-pitched ringing and then you re [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► assembled somewhere down the line [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► yeah but through that disassembly and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► reassembly i'm on way heavy i totally [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► not yours and I totally know what you [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► mean [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► alright so i was reading about how the [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► how the teleporter thing works okay and [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► involves Adams sure and molecules or [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► something and there and so you've got a [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► body and the the body is really about [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the relationship of all these atoms [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► molecules and what were able to do is [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► shoot that off someplace and then [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► rebuild it in this other area and so if [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► i hear if I'm getting this right if this [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► is what I'm thinking it's like it's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► restarting your computer you right you [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► just want you want to turn off the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► computer turn it back on [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► it's going to run through all kinds of [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► checks like your body's got probably got [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► some kind of mechanism for teleported [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► make sure that everything is right there [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► are all kinds of tiny little errors in [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► your genetics that can be fixed with a [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► reboot [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► exactamundo right i mean just teleport [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► me from here to the waiting room where i [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► can write you a check [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► yeah that's what I don't need to go [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► anywhere special teleport me from here [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► to the waiting room and yet at work or [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► in that process the stream of atoms is [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► going through a filter [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► we're all of the all the time toxicities [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► disregards right all of the all of the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► old tobacco that's still in there all [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► the undigested meat all of the you know [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► all of the genetic errors all of the all [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► of the unactivated Gene Kelly this isn't [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► already a thing me when I was not [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► working on the well-meaning outlet or at [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► least fake thing I mean given all the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► stuff about you know this stuff about [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► toxicity units bullshit right there all [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► the stuff there's no such really such [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► thing as toxicity if you are if you are [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► leading a normal life and it's sort of [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► like the whole idea of like vitamins [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► it's like well you know if you're eating [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► you don't need vitamins and if you do [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► eat vitamins you're just going to piss [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► them away [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► I mean going to walgreens and buying [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► these things you put in your shoes to [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► draw the toxicity out of your feet like [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that's not actually a thing women is [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► that actually think you can get these [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► things and here's how it works [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► basically you get these things they look [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► kinda like dr. scholl's and you use it [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► because all you know that all the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► toxicity goes your feet and so you put [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► these on and it discolors the mix it [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► makes things look Brown know it's sort [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► of like your candling you know ear [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► candling really too was all too well [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► thank you Eric handling that's just ash [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that's not actually toxicity like [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► there's nothing that is actually [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► happening there [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► everything gold every single gal I data [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► during us certain era mid-nineties it [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► was the Beatles that it was like peak [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► beet juice it came right before tattoos [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► they were all about your candle and they [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► would sit me down and stick candles in [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► my ears and then they would at the end [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► and I would just be like oh my god and [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► then they would pull the candles out and [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► they would always be inconclusive will [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► always be like well we didn't have [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that's this is weird is that this [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► explains nothing [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► ah right right but you know the the [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► teleporter idea it's that sounds like [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► something it's so appealing [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► yeah I kind of can't believe there isn't [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► already a huge like sham business around [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► that if what if you're disassembling [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► somebody into Adams you should be able [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► then to comb those atoms who with that [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► with an atom comb [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah and then subatomic home right [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► and when you stack them back up its you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► took all the you took all the hairs out [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► we figure this out [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► little like probably little fibers [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► little flecks of dirt maybe a little bit [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► of marlboro tobacco in there like little [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► things it's kinda like a couch like [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► imagine you have a couch and you know [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► how the couches assembled if you take [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► the couch apart remove all the detritus [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► and give it a good cleaning gud scrub [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► then you just put the couch back [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► together the other day I lost my phone [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and I was like where I would just had it [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► where the fuck is it then and I realized [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► like it probably fell down behind the [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► couch cushions and I reached down [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► underneath the couch cushions and when i [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► do that i always feel like I'm in the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► buck rogers movie and I'm putting my [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► hand in the stump I'm and I'm reaching [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► around and I'm thinking I'm gonna get [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► I'm really a bit by the by the monster [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► if I don't of course I'm i become just [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► going to any jet thing is this like you [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► stick your hand in the thing and fear [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► fear is the is the thing you're happy [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► about forgetting forgetting it feels [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► very mind-killer right is that it about [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► well you know in the buck rogers movie [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► if you stick your hand in there you it [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► and you get bitten you die but if you [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► stick it in there and don't get bitten [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► then maybe you become king of the [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► Birdman who and king of the Birdman is [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► kind of always how I imagined i would i [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► would turn out but I stuck my head in [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► the back of the couch and I pulled out a [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► pair of glasses that I have been missing [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► for six years [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► Oh God and they were my favorite pair of [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► glasses and I remember I remember that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► you know the thing about losing a pair [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► of glasses yet you never remember [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► exactly when it happened [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► you're always trying to trace back like [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► when did i see that pair of glasses last [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► you get you get the era but it's hard [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► it's hard to really get even the week [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► yeah and that but so I remember I [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► remember missing them years ago and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► being like how can i have lost that of [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► all the pairs that was my that was my [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► fav pair and you remember them because [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► they were they were early long winters [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► classes and uh I found him and you know [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► and there they were vintage glasses to [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► begin with so that kind of that chalky [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► discoloration has started to happen to [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► them where the where the where the [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► plastic is yeah I was like a kind of [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► existential mildew [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► yeah it's just sort of the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► plastic is just starting to just die [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► from brittle and it was never intended [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to last this long [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► it was never intended to last this long [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► and here like five or six great years of [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► these glasses were wasted with them just [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► slowly moldering under the couch [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► I can still wear them and they still are [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► great and I'm happy to have them back [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► but like all those years we could have [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► had together they were there [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► tantalizingly just under the seat of my [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► pants [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► it's like it's like it's like a dream it [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► really I mean it was just it was kind of [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► there the whole time he just didn't have [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► access to it didn't have access to it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► and so then I'm i'm down in that couch [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► i'm pulling out crayons and and popcorn [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► kernels and stuff just like what else is [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► down here dunes straws markers scissors [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► remotes i cannot even first of all I can [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► ask your question okay so there are [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► times when you gotta do the unthinkable [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► which is you have to take the cushions [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► off something important has been lost [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► and you must actually searched the couch [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► is when you sponge your hand into that [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► space is it moist moist are just a [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► little moist I think it might achieve [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► sentence [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► well I you know because probably I mean [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the thing is if we spill something you [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► know and by that I mean you know get the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► kids spill something we do everything we [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► can it's a very it was an old vintage [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► couch when i purchased it in about [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► nineteen ninety-six so who knows things [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► probably 40 years old and is the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► material naugahyde naugahyde on the on [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► the surfaces and then it's you know it's [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► got that you lift it up and it's got [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► that you know all that traction [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► yeah naugahyde backing well yeah it's [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► not behind Lord we take off the cushions [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the part that the cushions you know rest [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► on the actual canonical couch is a is [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► you know it's a fiber something right oh [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► I know I know I like your glasses i [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► don't think it was never intended to be [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► this long i think it might be coughing [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► something up a little bit you think that [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► it now has it has formed and I a [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► digestive system [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► I don't know it could be a kind of a [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► kind of a living room Sarlacc maybe [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► maybe i don't know i don't know what's [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► happening but I do not like putting my [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► hand in there [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► I've i have dumped entire boxes of [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► baking soda on there to try and try this [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► out and it still is a little moist you [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► know it sounds [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► to me like it has become so one of the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► first one of the earliest forms of life [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► over is the Venus flytrap [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► oh right the Venus flytrap is a is a [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► great hunter but has no actual as far as [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► we know no intelligence not yet right [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► but it captures its prey just by you [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► know just the prey just kind of flops [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► into the plane and then the thing just [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► closes and digests it over and I think [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► that maybe what happened what's [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► happening in your um what's happening in [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► your County I'm gonna keep an eye on it [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► to keep an eye on it [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► what else did you find other good stuff [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► uh well no i'm nothing was this maybe [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► this may say too much about me but I am [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► I left some parts of the couch [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► unexplored oh I think I i totally agree [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► yeah because I wanted to see you know I [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► wanted they're still to be some mystery [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► there and still something left for me to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► find that is very much how my own mind [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► it's one thing to thoroughly clean the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► top-of-the-range and there's not gonna [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► be any special surprises probably [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► they're right but the couch i mean [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► that's that's special like that there's [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► stuff in there if you really really go [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► through that couch you know my case I [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► could probably find stuff in the [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► previous owners probably matchbooks in [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► hello ever seen i kinda don't want to [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► know yet [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► am I crazy also to hope that that one of [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► these days I'll be one of the guys that [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► buy a used car and finds the doors for [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► cocaine [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► no I mean why that's that's why [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► everybody thinks that everybody always [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► any sense [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► this is like your duffel bag in the tree [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► problem right duffle bag be driving down [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► the road you're out obviously paying [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► attention to the road but at the same [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► time you count at the corner of the eye [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► you're just looking good there be a [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► seventies gym bag with 127 million [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► dollars in it right that is that's [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► pickup load into a tree [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► well they gotta go somewhere yeah right [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► i mean if they're on the ground [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► everybody picking them up [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► how many times have I opened the [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► newspaper it doesn't happen anymore but [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► it used to happen all the time that [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► that a bale of money would wash up on [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► the shore in Florida or California yeah [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► a bale bale of money a bale of money and [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► then then I could go into the doctor and [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► tell them that I had an extra pancreas [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► and they would they wouldn't be able to [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► argue with me because i had the money [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► oh it's like the guy with the way they [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► both put the fake through the trees [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► right yeah right [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► good just hsq you go in cesky them and [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► say listen let's just kind of tap on [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► your satchel that's obviously full of [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► 127 million dollars and you go [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I think I think you'll find a tiny long [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and that's right i think i think when [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► you look at me a little bit more [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► carefully [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► you're gonna realize there's something [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► dramatically wrong and I need expensive [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► medical treatment now do you have a [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► telephone [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► yes mr. act draws back a curtain and [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► there's like a like a cardboard box from [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► a washing machine that says teleporter [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► it's this episode of Roderick on the [TS]

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00:41:40 ◼   ► it's beautiful huh there are so many [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► there are so many science-fiction tropes [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► that are not science fiction tropes that [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► should be like the teleporter that [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► actually is it is a medical as a medical [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► purpose right that you come out the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► other side [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► I mean you would presume that everyone [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► in the star trek universe also was more [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► or less immortal to normal death like [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they could think that part isn't that [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► part of the stick the stick part of that [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► the concept of the show is that we've [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► taken care of a lot of the things that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► used to travel people in the 20th [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► century and now we're able to just [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► explore without having to worry about [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► things like are our health for war [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► yeah I guess that's right i guess that [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► is a foundational why I got this from [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► somebody else but that but that's part [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► of what makes this nigga show able to [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► stretch out a little bit so that they [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► then can also talk about things that end [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► up being you know like the twilight zone [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► right where you end up talking about [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► stuff in modern life without being too [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► on the nose about it [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► right right and yet and yet they spend [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► all that time like walking around [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► walking in the halls [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► uh-huh you know like if you really had [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► had mastered disease and conquered war [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and sent out and we're set out to [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► explore why are you walking up and down [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► the hall so much caring clipboards [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► yeah yeah you know a lot of doors [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► opening and closing yeah you would think [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that everybody in a comfortable chair [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► and they would be having sex anymore [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► like Wally you just being just being [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► like a rocket chair enjoying the child [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► drinks [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► yeah but how do you stop daddy daddy you [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► did they have to be sugar free drinks [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that's so that once again the future [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► becomes it doesn't take long to dry it [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► like everything right back down to where [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► we are right now [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► yeah right hmm actually suppose some [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► kind of colostomy bag where all the food [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► goes out but then nobody wants to we [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► want to interact with somebody that's [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► got a colostomy bag up and I don't and I [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► don't mean to be like anti colossal [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► people that's a lot of people and other [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► necessary better dear [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► uh-oh you know this week is just [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► puttering [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► long just sort of putter putter putter [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► putter along yeah you know it's been a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► it's been pretty it's been a pretty wild [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► ride and as you know and probably as our [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► listeners no i did not survive the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► primary election you okay talk about [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► this you want some more time I mean [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► obviously we will cover it at great [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► length this is this is the funny thing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► somebody is it because the internet and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► also because politics like there were [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► some people that not many but a small [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► couple of people chastised me for them [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► for the kind of like casual way that I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► and now that I that I conceded the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► election you know I sent out a tweet was [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► like I didn't win [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► talk to you later and I you know I sent [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► out an email to all of my supporters and [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► will continue to send emails you know of [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► of the thoughts that I've had but [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► obviously anybody that knows me knows [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► that this will we will discuss the the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► race the campaign the experience books [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► will discuss in a great great lengths we [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► don't need to get it would get it all [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► out right now but I'm I'm happy to talk [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► about the immediate my immediate [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► sensations the immediate moment it's [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► just the the goal that I had to remain [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► candid to practice Michael my normal [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► candor in this realm where candor is the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► is the rarest of all elements right that [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► was that was one of the that was one of [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► the foundational ideas could you run for [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► office and and continues to speak [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► honestly about yourself and your [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► experience and your [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► perceptions and if so if you could [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► why does no one why is it so hard [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► because that's that that's our first [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► impression of candidates and politicians [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► is that they're just not being honest oh [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► yeah like there must be a reason that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► everybody speaks in code and what I've [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► discovered is that there is very [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► definitely a reason and partly partly it [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► is that there isn't really that much [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► difference between people and what their [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► goals are and i'm ieaving include like [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► the radical lunatics who believed that [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► the earth was a is only 2,000 years old [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► and who don't think that women should [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► have the right to choose etcetera [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► etcetera etcetera those people and the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► and the and Bernie Sanders like there [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► are a lot of political gulf between [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► those people but ultimately Bernie [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► Sanders once kraft macaroni and cheese [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► dinner and rick santorum once kraft [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► macaroni and cheese dinner right [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► everybody eats kraft dinner i'm speaking [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► canadian right now because they recently [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► changed the name to KD actually KD right [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► so I i I'm trying to speak canadian and [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► and because Europeans also sort of speak [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► canadian sometimes wonder we might be [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the only ones that don't call it that [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► they called mac and cheese [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► yeah well we invented it [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► so delicious and easy to prepare all we [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► want but in any case so because because [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► human beings share more commonality then [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► we then we have difference [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► politics is the realm of difference and [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► you you want to you want to exaggerate [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► the small differences between one [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► another in order to make clear [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► delineation between candidates and [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► choices and so [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► what you see in the in the Republican [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► race or in the Democratic race are these [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► people that share ninety-eight percent [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► of their belief system making a huge [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► deal out of the two-percent where [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► they're different and when you speak [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► candidly about yourself all you're doing [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► is offering up opportunities for other [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► people to take those things that you've [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► said and use those use those words to to [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► create different difference and distance [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► between you and people right and so [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► throughout the entire race i found [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► myself even talking to you have feeling [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► suddenly like I needed to keep little [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► areas of what I was actually thinking um [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► sequestered because to talk about how I [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► was feeling and to talk about how I was [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► thinking completely with complete candor [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► would I could tell right away [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► immediately put me at a disadvantage not [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► in the it not in the race right now but [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► because everyone in politics talks about [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it like it's a really long marathon and [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► saying stuff about what i was thinking [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► right now I was hearing from people [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► every day like this is that the it and [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► understood what they were saying was [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that that would jeopardize me in the [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► future if I was too candid about what I [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► was experiencing now you you just be [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► producing fuel for people to use against [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► you later ten years from now [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► uh-huh and B and i saw i saw it in [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► practice and also saw it you saw that [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that the the potential of it and so [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► now like there's so much I want to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► digest and the way that I digest stuff [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► is as know in large part talking to you [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► about it and but I have some big [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► decisions to make about how much that [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► you know what what I what I think what i [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► believe is that that candor about my [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► life is more important to me than almost [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► it protects me from blackmail it it is [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the process that I that I used to [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► understand the world and that [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► understanding is is is the real [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► important thing to me rather than then [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► my ambition like what you have to give [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► up what you really be fundamentally [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► changing about your whole process of [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► being a person in order to heal to what [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► ends up being necessary [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah but in the experience you know but [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► I got between 17 and twenty percent of [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► the vote and way more people i mean all [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► the people that helps and participated [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► in all of the all of my supporters and [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► all the people who voted for me and all [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the people around the world that we're [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► supporting my campaign have they've all [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► been wonderful and vocal and supportive [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► and great but the day after I lost the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► primary I heard from a lot of other [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► people who had never communicated with [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► me before all say great run man you [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► really you really made a good campaign [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► and you stayed true to yourself and you [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► you started a new conversation and all [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► now you force people to talk about these [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► other things it was a really successful [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► campaign you should be really proud [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► I can't wait for you to run again and [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► that that [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► that i'm also getting that from friends [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► and supporters and i'm also getting that [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I would get that from everybody like [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► well you lost your first one but like go [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► get them tiger get him the next time and [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► so I'm I'm processing that energy from [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► other people in that and and and all [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► kind of holding that up against Mike's [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► my first-hand experience of what it was [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► like and what i want and how how best to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► serve and I honestly um and I mean I'm I [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you know Marilyn I never want to let [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► people down [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► uh-huh and been part of the part of what [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► has been hardest about my life is that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► I've always felt like I'm always letting [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► everybody down and I don't want to let [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► anybody down and that that propels me [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► alone along the road [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► um and I don't want to let I don't want [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► to let people down but running for [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► office was really distasteful I i really [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► did not enjoy it and and it may very [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► well be like childbirth we're in the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► immediate aftermath you say that was [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► awful but then nine months later you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► forget and you say oh I really like I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► think I'd like to have another kid I'd [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► childbirth wasn't that hard you know the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► the the the hormonal rush kind of papers [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► over the pain but in the but throughout [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► the entire experience like I was I it [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► was just personally very very very [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► difficult and I looked around me and [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► other candidates and it at my mentors [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► and there it there is a personality type [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that doesn't find it that difficult you [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► know that just as and we discussed this [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► a lot on this program there are people [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► arm are made to run the four-minute mile [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and they trained and they work hard but [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► they also have of physiology and and [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► they don't have a tiny lung and they are [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► and they love to run and they become [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► great runners and there are other people [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that they could train just as hard but [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► they would never [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► they would never be a great runner just [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► because that's not what they were built [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► to do you know they'll never dumped a [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► basketball and there are people who are [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► meant to 24 there are people that thrive [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► in the environment the political [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► environment that we have created that we [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► have decided is that is how we put [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► people forth and how we choose our our [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► officers there are people that in that [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► environment are they've never felt so [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► alive their eyes are shining their coats [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► are glistening they love that they love [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► the process and they love that kind of [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► attention and they love the the tussle [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► of it and and I and I understand why [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► people would think I would be good at it [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► and and and why I what people would [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► think I would enjoy it but in fact it is [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► a kind of a kind of like pure torture [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► for me to be in that under that kind of [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► of like [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► kind of purposeless scrutiny and and [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► exploiting minor differences you know [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► like that's ultimately the thing that I [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► don't I that then I don't see any [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► purpose in minor differences are things [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► that I always try to to to heal to [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► rectify or two or even celebrate [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► celebrate exactly like Aaron this [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► there's here are the minor differences [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► between US isn't this wonderful and in [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► politics it is like I believe that [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► Pantone color 244 is the greatest color [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and my opponent thinks the pantone color [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► 245 it a clearly evil color is a good [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► color and we should end of everyone [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► should rally around my pantone color and [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► it's just like oh my god what a terrible [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► terrible terrible way to do business or [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► to think even and and you can think of [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► you can think of people in your own [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► experience who just love that kind of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► disagreement and that sort of different [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► shape when you've had that the thing [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► that as you describe this it seems so [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► obvious now that it's crazy but you know [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► it if you're having an argument with [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► your pals not not about whether the [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► beatles were good bad but about like [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► which album you happen to like the best [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► that week maybe not even likewhat is the [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► best album like which one do you like [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► the most like that is a fun conversation [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► to have about minor differences but [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► you're also not constrained and how you [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► decide to argue that and there aren't [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► consequences to what happens if somebody [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► argued better than you like you and but [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► the thing is you get to be who you want [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► to be when you're arguing with your pals [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► like one of the greatest one of the [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► things that makes you who you are that [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► makes you so interesting is that like [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► you you have a very muscular way of of [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► having these kinds of discussions with [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► people but that's not conducive to what [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► you're describing it i get it i guess [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► i'm saying is like there's something I'm [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► just repeating I guess what you said but [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► there's something structurally about the [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► way the this discourse is set up there's [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► something basic to the structure of it [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► that is hobbling to like what makes you [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► who you are in and so I don't know if [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► you agree with that but like to mean [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► watching that and seeing you have to say [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► you look like though it already feels [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► like poison in your mouth to have to [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► phrase something in a certain way [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► because it doesn't get out the truth of [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► it it doesn't get the completeness of it [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► but it has to be said in this certain [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► poisonous you know dumb down way in [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► order to not be something that's used [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► against you later [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► yeah at and and there are just so many [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► there are so many nuances to it up and [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► to my like personal experience of of [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► running for office and that and the [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► challenge for me right now and talking [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► about it in with all the candor I want [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► to is that I want to be of service and I [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► want to use what I know for the greater [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► good and it seems like running for [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► office is that opportunity or you know [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► it seemed to me that that was an [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► opportunity to do that and now i don't [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► know if that I don't know if I still [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► feel that way but but you could [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► potentially harm your future [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► opportunities to be of use [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► if you're not circumspect about how you [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► talk about how this went yeah absolutely [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► and how you feel about it and and also [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► like you know there are because I've [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► entered this new community of people [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► wear their expectations in their [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► language is so so different you know the [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► idea that you would [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► idea that you would [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► run for office which which was you know [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► I remember saying to you I think insane [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► to my mom that early on and then halfway [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► through like well I've had harder six [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► months than this you know I've had [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► harder three months the mist I've spent [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► three months your mom your mom said you [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► had worse months and you've had worse [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► months and then there was a certain [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► moment in the run-up to the primary [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► where I could no longer say that I had a [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► worse month than this man and you know [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► and there were some days which were like [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► in the running force for like worst day [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► and you know I been to jail I've been to [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► a i have shivered in the cold hungry and [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► tired and alone [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► uh-huh i have been bitten by dogs and [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► have a fought wild boar and that there [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► was a day in the campaign where I just [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► had to wake up and go talk to like six [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► or seven different executive boards of [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► various unions and activist [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► organizations and it was worse than [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► fighting bore and so and yet there are [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► tons of people who have said to me with [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► big chest shower grins you know oh well [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► you always lose your first campaign and [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► to think like oh I see you just do this [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► this was the sporting one this was the [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► one that I just like that was just for [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► just to figure it out the next one is [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► going to be the real time or the time [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► after that I it work it requires this is [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► what I don't know it requires either a [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► an emotional temperament that is just [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► like being able to dunk a basketball [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► either you have it or you don't [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► and you know to to sit in a in a in a [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► basement of a community center arguing [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► with your opponent over it ultimately [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► like insignificant differences in [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► opinion and then when you're done have [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► the energy to race across town in your [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► car to stand in front of a supermarket [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► and hand out buttons to people who are [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► not interested in you and do all of it [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► with relish that is it that's it that is [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► a that is a type and you know and i am [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► the type that sits and thinks of that [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► then looks at maps in a book about [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► Napoleon and thinks about what that must [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► have meant to the people that were [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► selling grain and it and it feels like [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► you want that kind of person to run for [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► office sometimes but maybe maybe they're [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► the that aperture just is too small or [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► too or the pressure in the hose is too [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► great but I don't want I don't want to [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► because this is such a fraud moment it's [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► the the week I lost my first election i [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► also know that maybe I maybe I will in [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► six months be like you know what it [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► wasn't that hard [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► it was actually great and I don't want [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► to say because because we're living in a [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► world where everything you and I say is [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► recorded and broadcast this would this [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► will all be something I'll have to [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► reckon with in a year over and somebody [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► will say well didn't you say in the week [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► after the the primary that you blah blah [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► blah you decided that this was not your [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► nature and you would never want to do it [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► again right so now you're running again [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► well which is it flip-flopper [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► yeah and I don't want to live in a world [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► where where I'm where I'm scrutinized in [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► that way not because I'm afraid to be [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► scrutinized but because [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► the book because my fundamental premise [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► is that yes i can say that the week [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► after I lost an election and a year [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► later run for office and that and that [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► contradiction is normal and great and [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► one violent ends up getting inside your [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► own head in some ways right because i [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► mean it you know it's easy to take a [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► couple giant steps back and go well no I [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► you know it is not easy it's simple it's [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► simple to say hey wait a minute i'm not [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► gonna tear myself up over this i'm going [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► to keep being whoever I want to be but [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► then there's gonna still be the [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► intrusive thoughts of like yeah but [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► how's that gonna be processed and [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► presented and repackaged and productize [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► by other people and then now it but you [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► know I'm saying like part of it is it's [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► like what's the phrase you're looking [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► for is like it's in your head like you [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► see you getting you getting psyched out [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► in some ways i was in order to in order [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► to in order to do like I've never had [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► any doubt in my mind that you'd be great [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► at the job that you're trying to get the [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► the concern I think anybody could have [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► including you is like how you get that [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► job which seems in some ways that it's [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► not a natural fit for for how you work [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► or how you live it isn't because like [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► you're like somebody that someone's [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► gonna get dirt on its that you it's just [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► that you end up having to fight with [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► both hands tied behind your back in some [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► ways and you can't you can't do what [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► you're best at which is being expressive [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► about how you feel as a person in the [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► world [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► yeah well so you know we were worried [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► you and I about all the things from [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► Roderick on the line that might come out [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► in a campaign that a that my opponent [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► would say that i had endorsed Stalin or [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► especially taken out of context yeah or [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► that i had a that I had pillows made of [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► owls [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► alright alright even in context that's [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► kind of weird even in context it's a [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► little weird but the only one thing [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► really came out from Roderick on the [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► line and it was obviously something that [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► had you know that that I don't think [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► that anybody I was running against [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► dedicated interns to listen to the [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► podcast i think that you know I I don't [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► remember how long ago was but there was [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► there have been a few episodes where you [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► know where I really rankled people and [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► the the the biggest one was the one [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► where i was talking about gender pay [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► equity and talking about it pretty [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► flippantly and in a voice of sort of you [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► know i mean i was talking I was [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► describing a conversation I was having [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► with a middle-class white lady about her [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► pay and it was it was a it was an [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► episode that immediately generated a big [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► response from people from our [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► listenership and made a lot of people [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► mad and I got really schooled at the [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► time by our listeners and a lot of [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► people that you know that listen to the [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► program and agreed to disagree with us [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► because they like the tenor of our [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► conversation and this was an example of [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► a thing where i had crossed a line and [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► was talking about gender pay equity [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► which was a thing that a lot of people [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► were educated on and and passionate [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► about and I was just talking about it in [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► a tone of voice that was sort of full of [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► privilege and full of a just lack of [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► complete understanding and we got a lot [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► of flack for it at the time and I was [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► surprised that i was surprised not not [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► that the response was what it was [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► because I deserved that response but [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► that we lost people in that that after a [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► hundred-plus episodes of the show where [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► your and my minds are on display that [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► even in a situation like that where i [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► was wrong i was just straight-up wrong [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► I wasn't i didn't understand that issue [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► and was not speaking about i was [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► speaking from a place of ignorance in a [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► voice of confidence that people couldn't [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► forgive it because we had touched on a [TS]