Ep. 166: "Hella NPR'd"
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cheap people keep putting the wheat pop
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my bad habit to pop tap tempo a pump to
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pump em it's hard going to podcast boy i
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would have to ask the master that I'm
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afraid I don't know who you need this is
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that this is the first time in all the
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years that we have started our podcast
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without saying hello but but rather with
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some some strange bird noises they were
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I don't know kind of tropical kind of
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domestic a little mix of the old world
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the New World Food you're giving me some
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good insight into how to have more than
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one podcast at a time
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yes and yes ahem not like I yes and
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there's so much to talk about and now i
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can't remember whether I talked about it
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on my other podcast already she's this
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is what I was worried about
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oh did I it I already talked to you
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about the time that I was them was that
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the other podcast yeah how do you feel
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about scrambling eggs
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oh it's in hate it when you take you
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take the egg in your right hand and you
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tapping on the edge of the bowl
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oh wait a minute hold on stop right
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you-you-you crack that egg on a on the
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edge of the bowl Merlin you're gonna get
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all of the bacteria from the ball right
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in the egg dad cross-contamination you
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cross contamination
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I you know on the weigh-in today i was i
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was sitting here drinking I'm drinking
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my coffee and my in one of my beer
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steins and I realized that probably
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fifteen percent of everything I put in
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my body is coffee mold right I've got
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coffee mold and breathing coffee mold at
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all times
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and i'm drinking coffee mold from a
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variety of sources the primary sources
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I've never cleaned my coffee maker so
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full of coffee mold John that has a huge
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impact on the quality of your coffee you
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gotta clean your coffee maker and then
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and then I I by a horde of Boy i see i'm
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so used to lying since my my political
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oh if you know it's gonna be a long road
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the ready truth that I can't even I
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can't even remember what's a line what's
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not but I've never bought this is gonna
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be a good one I've ever bought a pound
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of coffee of my life I just about i
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started talking like when i buy coffee
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as though I ever buy copy like you're
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like how Holbrook doing mark twain
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except you're doing yourself think it
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reads better if I say I by about how the
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coffee at a time by a pound so what
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happens to me is that someone gives me a
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pound of coffee that is how i get coffee
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people give me coffee and the reason
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people give me coffee is that coffee as
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you know on the west coast in particular
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is one of the primary schwag elements
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oh yeah right you go to a thing and
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they're putting together a gift bag or a
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gift basket and the first thing they do
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the first thing they put in a gift
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basket is a pound of coffee because
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there's a tremendous coffee surplus here
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there's so much freaking coffee and
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everybody is a coffee roaster a coffee
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grinder a copy importer and so they've
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just got warehouses full of coffee and
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everywhere I go somebody's putting a
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pound of gourmet coffee beans in my hand
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and so I bring it home and there was a
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what there's a while there where I had
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like 30 pounds of coffee in my freezer
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and then I then they're all the people
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that are like never freeze your coffee
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don't what are you talking about freeze
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your coffee it's gonna ruin that and I'm
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just like you know what I've got 30
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pounds of copy
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I'm good I'm good way past the
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apocalypse right everybody of people are
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going to be knowing on each other Shin
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bones and I'm gonna be sitting on top of
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a giant pile of frozen coffee
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like that image so I'm confident in my
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choices but seems starving zombie-like
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creatures shuffling towards you and your
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butt's nice and cold
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nice and cold I get you a copy make
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frozen coffee makes a good ice pack to
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if you spring a sprained wrist or
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something I lifehack yeah but-but so
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lately I've had some cock I've had some
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coffee has been sitting out on the
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counter for a month and a half and from
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what I know about coffee mold which I
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have learned from reading magazine
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articles and and from hearing you make
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that sound
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whenever I talk about it and presumably
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what I've learned from dan Benjamin
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telling you about coffee mold because
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i'm sure that conversation happened I
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realize now that that coffee that's been
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sitting on my counter for a month and a
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half is probably fifty percent mold and
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I just make it and drink it and it
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tastes like mold like so many in the
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chain of custody from whatever coffee
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grows on 222 being expelled through you
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there the chain of custody is just
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riddled with problems there's all kinds
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of places for the introduction of
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different kinds of unsavory things you
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don't know you're not keeping you
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keeping a tight lock on that and this
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isn't even copy that's been through a
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civet but right so I just a man i'm
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thinking like then there's all the
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coffee cups i leave lying around both in
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the garden and in my office
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there's just gotta be so much coffee
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mold I if I had if I had some they live
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glasses but instead of seeing aliens
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among us it they could just see coffee
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mold of my heart of it might also be the
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nature of the stein I don't want to
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introduce new things here but you know
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the stein it's probably like a pottery
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kind of Stein right it's not like it's
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not like well uh plastic or something
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it's probably somewhat porous it's a
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pottery stone it's a pottery Stein so so
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there could be all kinds of you know
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invaginations that the mold could get
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into maybe start a family
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I well I mean there's there's coffee
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mold under my fingernails
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I'm not worried about it in the poor
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the surface of my bike my daughter will
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just start chewing we're at the movies
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yesterday starts chewing a fingernail
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and I'm like you
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you've been downtown for three hours and
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really want three hours of san francisco
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in your mouth
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well I've got worse than that i went to
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the i went to the ICU yesterday to visit
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a friend in intensive care
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I spent you know a few hours and twenty
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one person when he said I thought
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everything that like for a friend
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now you're actually going to see another
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present you it wasn't you I when I went
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to the ICU yesterday for a friend I
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would I went to the Insane Clown Posse
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it yesterday
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no III to visit a friend and I was in
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there and you know it was a very intense
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right you put on our you put on a rubber
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gown and gloves and a face mask and a
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face mask with like a shield my god I'm
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so sorry
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yeah yeah no it's not a nice place but
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then i was in there for I mean it's a
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wonderful place in the sense that if you
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are if you need the services that they
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provide that is where you want to be you
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would wrap much rather be there than
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sitting on top of a pile of frozen
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coffee beans yeah and then as I'm
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walking out of the ICU you know what and
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it's just like you take the stuff off
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and you deposited in a biohazard
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container and you walk through a
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pressurized aperture and all this stuff
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and then you and then i'm on my way to
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the parking garage and i'm just chillin
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on my fingernails know and I was like
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and I caught myself doing it like huh
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well welcome mersa to the otherwise
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completely toxic environment inside of
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me hope you can fight it out with the
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coffee mold you know and we'll see which
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wich toxin which neurotoxin is the is
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the one that survives but starting to
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start suddenly suddenly effect i can you
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deep on this John I gotta deal with this
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on another show but I started this
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weekend for I believe the possibly the
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fifth time I decided to read the first
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10 pages of Infinite Jest and this time
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I stick with it i know ya least 20 30
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pages so yeah go go deep
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I think I can finish the chapter if I
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break it into pieces but you know in the
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beginning parties in the office you know
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talk about getting a scholarship and he
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has this flashback
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when he was a little kid and is how has
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a flashback of when he came
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he's like a toddler it comes out of the
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basement screaming something his mother
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can't hear what he's screaming because
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she's running a tiller in the yard and
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he's holding a just a giant piece of
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mold he broke off the part of the
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basement and has like orange and yellow
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spikes and soon as it starts screaming I
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ate this is a test that for some reason
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now is hitting the extra hard because
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that the predominant image of mold in my
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head for the last few days is a giant
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piece of basement mold like yellow
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stalagmites and so when you say coffee
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mold it could be something that could
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just be one of those like little booger
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looking droplets but but now but i'm
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thinking about eating basement mold
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that's a lot of a long book John did you
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ever read it
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no you know I i read gravity's rainbow
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know you know what you clocked out you
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have to read the other books yeah and
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that's exactly how I felt about it I in
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1992 I went into the bookstore hear that
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used to be where they destroyed the
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entire building to build a subway stop
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for the subway that still hasn't opened
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and and Denis Denis painful analogy
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district yeah thank you
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and it was the bookstore where everybody
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that worked there was a larper there
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were 50 cats there and it was owned by a
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woman who was a very nice woman but also
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had a she was not a nice woman
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let's be honest yeah cats bookstore
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dander I can see the signs on that is
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not adding up to a nice person but she
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had she was someone who kept a coterie
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of younger men working at her store that
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she was I think running through her
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function machine if you know what I'm
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saying oh very very much like a chain
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chain mail the culture I think I think
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chainmail figured highly there but I
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spent a lot of time in this bookstore
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and that's where I discovered Sinclair
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Lewis not it
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him personally but is you know that was
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when I first arrived in town and I
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didn't have any money i would go there
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and I'd buy that whatever that whatever
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the thickest book on the 99-cent rack
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novels but i love you know these essays
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gangplank and I was like my friend free
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good writer but like his ability is
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like the best book in the last 25 years
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heard in my life is literally named Carl
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political program of his yes he talks
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harvest of writing a book he was
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person but he's wearing big glasses so
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the bookstore and there and they all
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everything there they're all
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from this author and they're talking
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books with each other all these young
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people working in books and I'm just
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thing but here I am and he says oh have
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books that were coming out
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music like all of your the new cat but
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into a record store somebody puts five
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records in my hands but I don't want but
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struggle that's a very familiar
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booktitle i think i remember reading a
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version of my struggle written by an
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author named Hitler and they're like no
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no it's a new epic novel written by this
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depressed Norwegian guy about your age
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who has just exhaustively chronicled his
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entire life with total honesty and I was
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like and I could just feel my stomach
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thinking like ah
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second of all why do I don't know and so
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pretty soon three huge volumes are put
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in my hands
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each one costs thirty-five dollars three
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hard bound books on now here's the test
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having a great day and so I walk out of
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all of us all of us depressed dads were
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Carlo nice garden hose guard and then he
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dreams of where he's being swept around
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the world and
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people are genuine selecting I can hear
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in your voice can hear it so yeah and
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you know that be you a little bit
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sort of disavowing that he liked this at
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oh my god up so now now i understand it
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to be six books along i only have the
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first three
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oh my goodness it crackin so so so busy
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what up
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that thing where you kind of feel like
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year reading and you are reading and
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reading and reading and you don't know
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what's happening and you don't know you
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don't even know if you like it yet and
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invested you know weeks of your life
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because it's not 500 easy pages and it's
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not that way Carl Mouse Guard is hard
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not gravity's rainbow like it's not
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difficult to read but it's but you're in
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there and you're like ooh I like this
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person do I like this world do I feel
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like this world even if i don't like it
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too i feel like it's important to I feel
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healing light that feeling because I
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feel like I'm when that when i do that
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in my head whether it's real or not like
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this should be something right I get to
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be the guy who suggests this book to
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other people and then seemed surprised
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that they haven't read it and I feel
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that kind of pressure that I'm like
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eating my vegetables when i read a book
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like that I you know you know me I like
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to be punished and I like to suffer
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yeah and so it's really it's really when
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you thrive in a lot of ways
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yeah so I have done I have I have
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experienced a lot of culture that with
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that it was it was true suffering for me
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to endure
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suffering i was going to be delivered to
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another place that that the piece of
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culture that I was consuming was a ferry
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boat that was taking me from my the
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prior land the to this this dark new
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you don't mean might not know what land
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ferryman until he got me to the other
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on the you know I'm on the book and I am
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in and I'm saying or I'm on the the
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piece of art and I'm saying you are
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punishing me you arcs but you may
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deliver me to a 22 candyland and a lot
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of the times you know the fact that
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fucking thing sinks and you have to swim
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back but but I the the jury's still out
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on this because because
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quite that David Foster Wallace question
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the dave eggers question now the Carl
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end its and it's a primary question of
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the work that i do and if you do which
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is at what point like all art is
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somewhat autobiographical we have
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artifice from it and and have arrived in
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a place now where autobiographical like
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with the autobiography with almost no
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additional work and only when you can be
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somebody who writes a memoir that's a
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thing on its own without it being about
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like my life and pro wrestling or
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something
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yeah right it's just like I'm just a
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charming Schmo and here's my
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autobiography people have been doing
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that for thousands of years but now it
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seems like that is that is well
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everybody is a autobiographer now
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because we're all were all documenting
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our own lives constantly
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and to what end and if you're if you're
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not adding something else to it which is
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either like a philosophical take well
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yeah this has been an angle for you for
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a while in your in your in your your
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reflective romantic moments is like what
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are we producing yeah
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beyond this sort of ephemera yeah
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and-and-and with with dave eggers and
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and david foster wallace I mean that i
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read those guys at at obviously earlier
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in my life at a time when it seemed like
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what they were doing was magical because
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they were as you say like turning
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language the language itself was
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beautiful and then their life
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experiences or the way their minds
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worked for interesting and beautiful in
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a way and and and that was enough they
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didn't you know they didn't turn it into
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a novel about some other people it was
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it was a diary more or less but that
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that diary then little was elevated and
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into a realm where the diary doesn't
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even have to be elevated it just has to
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be long or it has to be comprehensive
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passes muster with me and I don't read a
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lot of this but i think i think i know
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what you mean i'm thinking about stuff
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that i had a class and mice third year
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it was really great but difficult which
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is called long poems and it was a you
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know a survey of long poems and had all
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the usual suspects in it you know and
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kind of doing like a and you know I had
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a close reading of things like the
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wasteland or things like William Carlos
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Williams is Patterson or leaves of grass
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you know by leaves of grass
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n.o Patterson is great the wasteland is
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a riot but like even leaves of grass but
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like what people are actually making I
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just gotta say man died
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feel like you clap out with a suspension
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engine but oh great
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gravity's rainbow like I never had that
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but also like Keats's Endymion reading
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this this is it's all couplets and it's
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just really really extreme that's an
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extremely long undersea adventure bike
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eats that involves lots of like you know
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tried in stuff and it was but I didn't
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really felt like i was eating my
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vegetables and it was it was not fun
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it was it's one of those things that
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like where you're like it wasn't even
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like I hate watch kind of thing whatever
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is keith is great but like you know I
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kinda like the other kind of stuff
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these epic poems just feel like oh just
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like this grind and i have to say that
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you know even at the time now I get to
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do what I get to drop that I've read
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keeps Endymion look at me like i get i
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get through the white ribbon for that
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like I'm the guy who read that you know
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I don't know I just it's just some of
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this that's unkind but I don't want the
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key taters in the air the keeps fans to
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get on me you know they're out there
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right now I know but yeah i don't know i
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don't like I used to
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I don't know how you find the time to
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read you seem like a very occupied with
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lots of different things
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uh yeah yeah but I I do i do try to I I
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admire that
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of of a fully-fledged adult who is who
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is up with the current reading over and
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plenty of people plenty of adult people
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who are still living according to that
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but I don't know if we're minting any
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new people like that but then again i
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just described my young New York agent
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who who's still living in that world but
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it seems like that version of being a
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grown-up where you've got a you've got a
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you've got the the times literary
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supplement and you are you're you're
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working through it every every week I'm
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thinking about you think about it i'll
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Algonquin Round Table kind of situation
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we've got a bunch of people
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who are very competitive very smart very
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clever people who are doing a lot of
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writing and if you worked at the new
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yorker you were doing a lot of reading
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like extremely up-to-date on and an
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opinion about virtually everything that
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came out people just reading reading
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reading all the time it's what they did
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for a living you know people forget that
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writers also read like there's a lot of
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reading involved
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yep and and you know but the thing is
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like you look at that never looks like
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it's all look at their smoking wearing
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hats you know and and and talking about
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you know life and that's that's really
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fascinating but i don't know i mean how
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incredibly different is that from
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somebody like me
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well I don't not unless this is noble
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but like I love how great TV is right
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now and others there are if you look
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there are great movies and I feel I like
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being kind of up-to-date on what good TV
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shows are you know and that's the thing
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if you were if you were Dorothy Parker
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sitting in the lobby of a hotel ashing
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didn't have all that TV also felt like
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you had to know about and you didn't
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also you weren't reading like BuzzFeed
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right there's a lot to keep up on now
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yeah yeah there you go you got to go to
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click hold and see all the funny stuff
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that those guys are coming up with ah
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yeah yeah I don't know I'm just I'm just
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some of which was amazing i mean i'll
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read me some Absalom Absalom anyday the
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ambassador's you can keep it like that
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there was there's so many like very
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moby-dick not a fan like all the things
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extremely long and varied in their how
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that was the process what you're going
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to get you get a voltaire occasionally
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a whole bunch of stuff that I had to
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read but I have to admit I mean a lot of
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that was because I had to read it for
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class and also it made me feel a little
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fancy it made me feel a little bit fancy
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the kid from like Central Florida was
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reading the the great authors and some
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of it was really great and enjoyable
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some of it was very edifying but there's
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there's a part of me that was I kind of
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wanted to be snooty that was that was
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one big piece of it being able to talk
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about Alberto echo
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me feel smart mm and I I mean I they're
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still god there's so much i get from
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that stuff everyday all this all the
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great books but like I have to admit
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that the time i was doing it wasn't that
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noble I wasn't like I was trying to
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become a judge or something
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it was because I wanted I i liked
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feeling smart and want to feel smartest
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to read a lot of stuff that other people
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will not admit they don't understand
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mm so I'm i can't speak for other people
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but you know I think there will be these
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Oh current things that come along
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sometimes that everybody's supposed to
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you know it's almost like an emperor's
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new clothes kind of situation where
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you're expected to say well of course of
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course I mean how many times have I read
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Ulysses my goodness but you know that's
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work it'sit's I don't know I don't know
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I think illiteracy is changing
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yeah yeah well I always had the I always
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had a difficult relationship with the
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people who read for red in the way that
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you're describing revered to to read as
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a a big because because I I i was i was
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often in a situation where I would be
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sitting in a in a salon of some kind
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listening to people talk about books and
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realizing that they were talking about
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books as a kind of inner in the same
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with it that people talk about sports
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and they were smart in the same way me
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know when pitchfork was at its darkest
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timeline pitchfork in years but when
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they first start to become so annoying
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it was almost like you know so you can
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learn about these records in order to
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know what to roll your eyes about right
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right right well to learn about the
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records or to learn about the books as
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though knowing about them was its own
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who and for me it's all the the point of
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art is always that you have an emotional
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that it that is a door to an emotional
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state or an intellectual state that you
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didn't have prior access to and so to
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read a book and to not feel something is
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fine but that's the evidence you're
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looking for i read this thing and I did
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not feel something ok
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that tells me something right or or I
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did feel something and here's what I
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or something i can't describe and so
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forth and so on like your those those
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pieces of art are always portals to a
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better understanding of your emotions or
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your or your mind and and so and music
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and it and books and paintings and all
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of that and so listening to people talk
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about books as though they are
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commodities to you know and and what's
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in store or end this is the same about
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record collectors like that what's
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important about them is the date they
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were published the authors prior
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relationship with some other author the
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number of books that it's sold than the
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the way that that book fits into the
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cannon in terms of how its its
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relationship to its time or other books
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I mean all that is is also interesting
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but it's addenda and for a lot of people
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it's not identify a lot of people that
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is the primary interface interface with
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the literary world or the painting world
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now maybe that's why they say it's like
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sports were part of the joy of it is
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like the more complex it becomes like
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this is exciting because the more I know
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about this the more I want to know about
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well and so and went so but what's what
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was frustrating for me is that I would
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sit in these situations where i would be
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with smart people who were who were and
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I've told you before right that when I
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was growing up in Anchorage out i had a
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Vespa and so I I i thought i was a mod
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and I i loved the clothes that the mods
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war and I have the only best but in
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Alaska so as far as I knew like I was
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the only mod in the whole state in the
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nineteen eighties the least I the only
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one that I knew and then when I moved
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down to Seattle and I met some real mods
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i was so excited I was like I'm a modern
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i found the mods i was young and I went
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to a mod party or two and and then I was
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so disappointed to discover that they
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were incredibly boring the mods were not
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smart even more interesting they were
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just fashion EP people that had chosen a
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fashion uh-huh but so you know to be
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around people and have the conversation
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be like have you read this book
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well yes i did i read that book because
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I earlier read this other book and then
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this book of course is the next book
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that you read
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oh well did you did you realize that the
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author of that book actually did you
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know had this other book
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oh yes I read that book did you read
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this book and and they were playing a
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game which was that the connector game
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right that you read a book and then you
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know you know that you know that that
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book is pointing to a different book in
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the in the way that people think about
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the literary culture
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uh-huh and so you are playing this this
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reference game where you're hopping from
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lily pad to lily pad and the end the
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other person is also playing that game
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with you and trying to get ahead of you
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and reference a book in advance of where
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you're going to be in this conversation
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and and you are here you're using books
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as sort of social chess pieces with one
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another and i would kind of sit in these
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conversations and and everyone so I'll
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lean in and say like oh that you know
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that book was really interesting it made
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me sort of question like my masculinity
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in a way and and the conversation will
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come to a screeching halt and everybody
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would kind of look at me and then they
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go back to talking about the next book
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and the and the publisher of that book
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and you know that they were not
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interested in talking about what the
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books did to them and that is what
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passes for intellectual conversation a
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lot of the time you're not you're not
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really exploring the work and in a lot
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of cases I wasn't sure that they had
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read them but that the but it but if
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we're making a little bit of the spills
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and talk about comic books where when
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you're talking about a comic book or a
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character or a story our community leads
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you to the next character or book or
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story arc and you right there is not a
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lot of times where you sit down and you
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talk about how it makes you feel yeah
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and you and you and so much of that
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comic book talks like this artist this
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sinker this this you know where it fits
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into the cannon and never where it
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resides in your in your heart or if it
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even does and that's the thing like a
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couple people give me give me stuff all
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the time and I read it and it's the rare
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thing and it should be rare that you
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read something and go like oh fuck now i
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am forever changed by this like this got
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inside me
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um and for me unfortunately if a thing
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doesn't get inside me that I don't want
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to talk about it I don't care about
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where it fits in the can and I don't
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care who the you know I don't care that
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this is a this is a work in somebody
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else's work pile like I'm looking for
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the thing that that that nabs me and if
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it doesn't then I don't care about its
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relationship and that and that is that
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makes it hard for and that's part of the
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problem of me with fan fan boy that's
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how it that's why I can't be a fanboy
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exactly because how many great works are
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there not that many
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and if you're just a if you if you just
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want to talk about the things that
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connected with you it's going to be
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different for every person and you you
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don't have that like bonding over the
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Marvel Universe for instance like what
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about the Marvel Universe really grabs
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me there are several things but but but
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not enough that I want to spend a lot of
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time talking about all the stuff that
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doesn't know right and that's just you
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know that's hard about rock and roll to
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mean I listen to The Strokes yesterday I
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wanted to hear the strokes I hadn't
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heard the strokes in in 10 years and I
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was like I want to hear that i want to
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try and remember that feeling that I
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heard the first time I heard the strokes
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and felt like oh shit why didn't I think
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of that right there definitely one of
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those bands
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yeah why didn't I think of that it was
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right there was sitting there right all
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and and nobody thought of it until they
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thought of it and how do you feel after
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was about 2000-2001 probably was when
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their record hit big how's it feel now
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2001 is when the record it big when I
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can't separate that from the fact that
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is when the first long winters record
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came out I can't separate from 911
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because they had to pull that song new
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york city cops from the album the choke
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they chose to because i thought was in
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poor taste given what happened
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yeah since 2001 wow that's when I don't
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really 2001 first long winters record
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came or yeah first ones record was done
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it didn't come out until 2002 but it was
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we were done making it and then the
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strokes record came out and was like oh
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wow fuck right that sound
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dang dang dang dang dang dang dang dang
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I'm mad a plateau about you know it and
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and 5000 bands duplicated that but had
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it had a lot of energy and a lot of it
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had a lot of swagger but without to
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without too much obvious like you know
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that whatever that dumb song by the
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australian band that are you gonna be my
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Bobby dumped down internet and it was
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like that's it was easy swagger it felt
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natural and it was a minimalist is the
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wrong word but it wasn't it wasn't
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overdone it was a it was just pretty
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much just like straight-up rock and roll
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the faces the faces come along and
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you're like why you know what did people
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do this before it's like the Rolling
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surprising right
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just answer Pixies or these fans to come
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along like oh man that's that's why
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didn't we do this before
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yeah yeah and I feel like when that
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first long winters record came out the
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reaction for people was like oh yes this
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i remember that all music guide review
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its own app everyone see you sounded
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like REM and I never understood that
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yeah that i personally sounded like
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michael stipe we at the big one that the
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band sounded like REM which I maybe I
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just think of REM is a different band
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and the one they're comparing it to but
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I mean I can hear how something like
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what maybe cinnamon has some
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instrumentation that could be
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reminiscent of a like early mid nineties
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REM but also had this wasn't what people
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played on ya fuckin actually has a look
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I know they're there was a there was a
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review during that era that was like
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this band sounds like REM and they
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actually got Peter Buck to play on it
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that is a bridge too far
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yeah but like that's so that's so lame I
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mean I remember he had produced a
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feelings album i liked a lot in college
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and played guitar on one of the songs
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but it still sounded like the feelings
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that didn't sound like REM i mean yeah
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yeah you got a bad rap for a while as
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long as we're digging up old wounds you
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got a bad rap for a while for the whole
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i will people talk about this band
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because it has people from other bands
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in it that are more famous and it's like
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that it's missed the entire point of why
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you know especially this first couple of
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us have such a place in my heart that
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you asked it really just fucking good
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yeah but they don't sound like anybody I
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just don't get that they don't know that
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but a you know I I can't
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when I think about all the bands that
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came out all the bands of my friends all
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the bands that came out during that era
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that didn't get any attention that
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didn't that didn't move the needle at
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I can't look back and you don't do that
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whole period i kept I kept really really
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i mean more than anything really wanting
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to be to be suddenly important in that
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way that sometimes I mean it kind of not
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sometimes every season there's a band
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that's suddenly important and you look
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at it you listen to the music and you go
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yeah i mean i hear what's cool about
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that that song but i'm not sure if I get
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why this band is suddenly important and
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that band is you know like I i I'm and i
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ended up meeting a and really liking the
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singer of clap your hands say yeah
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or foster the people or or mean the the
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number of bands that in the course of my
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own career in music were just the band
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of the moment and I met enough of those
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people and been friends with enough of
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them that very few of them have a Death
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Cab career where they're just kind of
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the band of the moments multiple times
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until they until they're a stadium band
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and you kind of go out how what how did
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that happen
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uh-huh like clap your hands say yeah and
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to stick it didn't it didn't keep
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happening for them but they definitely
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had a had a six-month period there where
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they were the they were the band that
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people were talking about
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yeah and and when you ask them about
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that experience they're like oh man I
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wish that hadn't happened i wish that we
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had had a chance to be more organic and
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take our time and it was really weird
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and it blew up and then it was then it
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went away and I think about that when I
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was putting out those first couple of
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Records and I just wanted to be the band
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of the moment so badly and and then I
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realized like I was lucky i was lucky to
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get the attention I got and clap your
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hands say yeah I was lucky to get the
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attention they got like you really only
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you really only get your shot at it and
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I had mine and there was so much snark
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in the air at the time and some of it
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landed on us but but what is our what is
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our medical metacritic rating I mean
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it's still above 60 you know like I
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think we were I think we were we were
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appraised pretty accurately in the in
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the long run you know really don't i
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mean huh i don't know i would i would
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love to have I mean Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
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came out right around the same time as
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the first long winters record and yankee
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hotel foxtrot had all that story about
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how they took it to the majors in the
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majors didn't want it and they got it
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back and put it out themselves and
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was a validation of of indy culture and
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validation of fuck the man even though
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they put it out themselves on another
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imprint of their major label and they
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made that film right where they didn't
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wear this but there's one there's a lot
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of stories also just the whole like how
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it is supposedly started with the idea
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of like hearing those weird radio
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broadcasts you know the curtains to seem
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to be to no one in particular there's
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all kinds of things NPR could write a
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story about with regard to that album it
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was hella NPR yep
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um and and it was indeed rocket NPR for
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sure everybody had a story and it was it
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was right at the peak moment of that of
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that notion that sort of Sean Marshall
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cat power bonnie prince billy idea of
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indie rock artists who doesn't want to
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be famous
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who's really tortured by their fame and
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tortured by their own complicated mental
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world and so and so they didn't want it
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they didn't want it they were forced
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into it because their work was so
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amazing and you know and and sitting on
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the other side of it and saying like
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well bonnie prince billy may be living
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in a in a tree fort and we may not want
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it but he sure seems to pose for a lot
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of photo shoots like you how long it
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takes two to do a photoshoot for for a
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major feature and imagine many somebody
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is paying his publicist
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yeah it takes a whole day of standing
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around getting your picture taken to get
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that picture that's on the cover of mojo
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or whatever and and there's a different
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picture of him every time I open a
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magazine so he's doing a lot of those
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janeane garofalo on regarding any
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veteran a kaiser helmet like okay well
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you know if you uh you don't want to be
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photographed in a kind of helmet like
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stopped showing up at photo shoots with
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Kaiser helmet right like much you know
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if you if you quit being but is
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certainly way more complicated than that
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it's super complicated but it's yeah but
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Yankee Hotel Foxtrot aesthetically was
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exploring a lot of similar ground
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to the first long winters record right
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we were using americana styles but we
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were spending a lot of time with broken
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keyboards and weird little like Lila
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phones and stuff before before that
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became ubiquitous and they were Yankee
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Hotel Foxtrot has a lot of sort of sonic
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landscapes which was also what we were
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trying to do on the first long winters
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record and we were making those records
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are they were somewhat contemporaneous
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with one another like I like I i forget
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when yankee hotel foxtrot came out but
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it was all it was already after we had
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finished the first long winters record
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maybe they came out about the same time
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and the way that their record was
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discussed in the popular culture as
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though it was a you know a life-changing
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event for everybody and who and a real
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like new idea and send sitting with our
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record kind of there in my hand offering
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it up to the world and saying like this
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is a this was motivated by similar
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similar ideas and the saw and their
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songs here that are that are equivalent
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equivalently good and to have it sort of
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not not only like not be embraced at
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that same level obviously but but not
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discussed in that way even not the
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language used to describe our record was
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not the same and and and that was the
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that was the big my big my initial big
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resentment toward the decemberists was
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that so there-there record came out and
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people are like it is the literary it is
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this is the music that smart people will
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listen to have you heard these lyrics
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have you have you sat down with your
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pince-nez on and read these lyrics
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because this is where this is the future
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of smart people music and i was like i
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also have
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lyrics that that i would but i would
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love it if you would read them a couple
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of times everyone hello and you know in
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our our reviews were like you know indie
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rock stuff here here's a band making
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some indie rock music and and you know
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that there it is right and that's what
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we were doing but but I could never
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quite figure out how to get yourself in
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the lens of that of that culture sniper
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and and and and honestly everybody that
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makes stuff kind of wants to be there
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and then as soon as they are they don't
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want to be there and they disavow ever
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having wanted to be there because it
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happens but before you have time to
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really realize it's happening
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sometimes well that I may have told you
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about this before but in night early
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nineteen ninety-one i was sitting in a
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cafe in seattle and reading i think the
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rocket which was one of at the time
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Seattle had like four alternative
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newspapers and the rocket was the rock
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and roll one and it was a long interview
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with nirvana pre never mind during which
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kurt cobain kind of spent a lot of the
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interview saying like we're gonna be the
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biggest band in the world where the
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where our record is the best record
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anybody's ever made and we're gonna be
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huge and just really love like like
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lapping it up and loving it and and
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wanting wanting it you know and i
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remember reading it at the time also
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being a 21 year old who wanted to be a
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rock star and be like yeah man like
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that's the attitude that's that rock and
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roll attitude and and there was some
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irony in it for sure but he was also
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saying we've made the best rock and roll
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record you've ever heard and I can't
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wait for you to hear it and he was
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talking about nevermind but it hadn't
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come out yet and he was just like this
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is going to blow people's minds it's
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fucking killer and fast forward a year
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and reading the press where he was like
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this record didn't sound like we wanted
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to was too polished it was to wrong
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can roll with the major label hired an
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outside mixer and made it all slick
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that's not who we are and you know if
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the story had really changed and I
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imagine in his mind it was true what he
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was saying but and I've never been able
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to find that rocket interview and I
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never heard anything like that from him
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yeah it was really on that a scholar of
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yeah right the other story became my
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early talk from him on that was like
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this is going to kick ass and because
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record and they you know they had to
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know it right
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kaiser helmet and honestly you don't
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make a kick-ass rock record unless you
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want to make a kick you want to be a
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kick-ass rock band and you always gonna
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remember that there was no Nirvana
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they would not necessarily be the one
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you would pick two to be the ones to get
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a DC contract and get the biggest record
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in years right
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I mean and you tell me yeah no i don't i
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went to pick the fastbacks before that
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well or money i mean around Seattle like
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what was cool like money was cool and
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Nirvana was kind of seen as like
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Mudhoney wannabes because mommy had that
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like fuck you man at that was in their
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sound and in their attitude and if you
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look at money photo shoots from that era
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they didn't show up wearing a kaiser
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helmet they showed up covered in vomit
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the time
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according to the language of the time
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they were way cooler and more authentic
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and and and their sound reflected that
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and there and the shit that they said I
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mean they were funny rai but also they
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were they were the
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were they were the
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come they were the punk-rock monkeys or
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the punk rock hard day's night where
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Greenland they would take the reporters
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microphone and and dunk it in a bucket
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of beer and say this interviews over
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fuck you and buy it by comparison
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Nirvana was polished and I mean more
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polished and more ambitious and you know
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they had that they there was that song
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that mean they were there were there
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were a couple of Nirvana lyrics that
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we're kind of cribbed out of mud honey
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lyrics enough that it was noticeable and
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the people remarked on it wow like i
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didn't i didn't Mudhoney already write
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that song i think they did but the
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Nirvana version of it was just a little
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bit more listenable so and also you know
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we think of kurt cobain is being very
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photogenic now but but that but they
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weren't very photogenic like that just
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the contrast between crisp who was 6 7
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and curt who was 57 was it was weird
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looking right i mean they that they were
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only cute after after they had a little
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bit of style put on also Kurt Cobain had
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almost like almost like a like a Manson
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vibe sometimes you have right
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he looks really manic and bad skin and
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didn't know how do you know that whole
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period where he was dying his hair black
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and stuff just no thank you
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but after the fact you look back and and
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it all seems like it was it was faded to
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be when i got to seattle they were
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already up they were a big band because
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bleed should come out and they were one
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of the they were one of the big bands
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but they were playing at the ok hotel
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it's not like they were even playing the
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showbox they were they could sell 3 400
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tickets
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and people its people weren't like
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snipping off a lock of his hair or
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anything
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yeah but then that record came out and
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boy it really connected and connected
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connected with the with everybody
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immediately
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uh-huh 25 years ago 24 years ago huh
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24 years ago this month right it came
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i first started on mtv i think i dont
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even here on the I don't you know what I
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might have heard it on the college radio
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station but I I very specifically
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remember when the video because i was
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watching MTV a lot then and when the
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video came out and I taped it and like I
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was in its thrall i thought was the
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greatest songs ever heard
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yeah it was such a good song that even L
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Yankovic's version of it was something
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that I wanted to hear like a it would
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have somebody had so many good parts to
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much but there was so many hooks in that
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song but the hooks were there so
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sometimes so weird or just so satisfying
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I mean like you know just I mean the
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drums on that song alone or just like
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yeah to put them to put them to put them
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together
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I know and when you fairly recent
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addition to the band at that point yep
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yep it was outsider not even from the
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Northwest man the he's somebody's
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Virginia interviews over that
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yeah eh fuck you fuck your corporate
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rock magazines bad
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here we are here we are 25 years later
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and that's our legacy right it's not
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like not like oh yes the Freedom Riders
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haha yes the we we ended the war in
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Vietnam know it's like look your
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corporate rock magazines bad
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that will be our epitaph press now sorry
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yeah i know it happens a lot a it
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happens a lot and what oh you know what
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the latest one for me was fun it was
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realizing that barack obama was elected
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president of the United States when he
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was 47 years old
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right well 47 of course is like
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presidential age right
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it's not like he's getting elected
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president at 39 which is still a young
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next month I will be 47 years old i will
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be 47 years old and I can't even make it
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through the primary of seattle city
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council election let alone get elected
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president of the united states didn't
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win the primary didn't win it huh was
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close wasn't even close
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really a lot of opportunity to step in
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voting irregularities I would I demand a
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recount who like none of that was that
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there was not an opportunity for that
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it's been a couple weeks now it's been a
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couple weeks
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just about just about a couple weeks
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tomorrow couple weeks yeah
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yep yep sort of still so processing it
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you know in the same the same way that
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they used to say that if you smoke pot
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it would you could still detected in
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your hair and your fingernails
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if you smoke cigars you get high again
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my that one
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mm so how's your how's your hair doing
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is coming out uh the pot the elections
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I'm just cycling I'm just pushing it out
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through my pores I'm just I'm just I'm
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sure that that campaign is still going
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to be in my fingernails in my hair for a
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while but I've but the you know the part
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of it that would be detectable in my
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urine is maybe now starting to pass and
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I'm getting back on getting back on a
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regular amour amour normal even key
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Joel you sound a lot better I don't know
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what that's mean if it means anything
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but you do sound better
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yeah lets you so much bad yeah yeah if
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you want to wait a week I i we can also
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talk about Evel Knievel well yeah i do
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want to i want to share my whole
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experience with everybody and and I
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of processing time and i'm still I know
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I'm still processing it so why don't we
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talk about Evel Knievel and al-qaeda
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kidding and i will put a bookmark you
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know put a tad little-little attack in
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because I do want to know you wanted to
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discourse extensively on on the
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experience now that I am NOT under such
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intense scrutiny right because I feel
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like I owe that to everybody and also i
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would it will be interesting for me but
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but uh but I'm very very interested in
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Evel Knievel i don't know why i brought
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is that a is that a thing that is Evel
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about how you like you know people talk
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about books kinda jump from one thing to
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the next idea that sometimes i'm
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watching TV
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he is one reason why i frequently don't
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watch a whole movie yet you so you have
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one of those remote control dinguses
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you talking about you actually you
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actually touch the mousepad no no no i
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mean i have a television I'm not an
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you know i watch things on the TV but
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yeah you watch things on the TV but they
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are coming from the internet they can
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they can but you also have cable
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you have a do you have a disc for a dud
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a dirt I have a bluray / DVD player
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that's not currently plugged in but it's
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there if it's if it's needs to be called
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no I mean they like a rooftop uh I don't
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know we don't get we don't get any TV in
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the normal sense at our house which is
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what makes going to a hotel room so
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staggering for my family because my kids
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been brought up you know
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in a house that just doesn't have
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commercials it's so weird cause she
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loves them so much i think it's her
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favorite part of the show the
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commercials loves the commercials we
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talk about this like we'll be going out
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to eat because you know you can't go out
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to eat unless their televisions
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everywhere right and she'll just be rapt
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attention so just be staring at like the
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infomercial about golf
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there are much louder and much brighter
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than the normal show absolutely
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absolutely but now she's entirely in
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trance by this but it's it's strange
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because you know that means that she's
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growing up watching like reality shows
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like project runway where they do the
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whole big like cliffhanger and then they
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go to commercial and then come back and
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there's a cliffhanger music and they say
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what they just said right before they
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went to commercial
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it's like why did they say that twice as
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well because there's like two minutes of
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commercials that we didn't see right
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no i don't know i was texting you last
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night was watching a movie by the Evel
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Knievel and now you just made me think
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of you because in the first few minutes
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they interviewed Matthew McConaughey and
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Guy Fieri and Uncle Bob Einstein on the
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first few minutes so you yeah you sent
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me on a little bit of a Bob Einstein
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trip last night where I i watched i
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watched his comedians in cars getting
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all good did you enjoy that with the
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mercedes 300 SEL what the hell of a car
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beautiful car i was looking for one of
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those for a long time I thought that I
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would I thought that would be the car
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that i actually went and test drove some
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and a 300-horsepower engine in a car
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that sighs ah yeah 280 whole horsepower
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yeah I wasn't it was like the big
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Mercedes v8 they kind of just slammed
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into the regular size car and yeah
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they're they're amazing but you know
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they were amazing at the time the
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problem is now any like any like base
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model kia with a four-cylinder motor we
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have in automotive technology that has
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improved so much that you know through
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the through the alchemy of like torque
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and and revs
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and tuning they have basically achieved
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with these tiny little motors in these
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tiny little cars an ability to go way
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well it feels like the pickup is where
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it's changed it feels like every you
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know youyou we live through those years
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where pretty much every American car was
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not that super good somewhere nicer than
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others but it feels like any car
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American or internationally produced
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almost any car from the last even 10
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years that i sat down and felt fine and
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had enough pick up to like be able to
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get onto the highway and it just didn't
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used to be that way
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yeah well I'm the fuel-injection what
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Scott about how they do that
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yeah it's all that kind of stuff it's
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physics it's again the cars don't have
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carburetors anymore they're all fuel
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injected and they all are geared us in a
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way where your first gear and your
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second gear are really torquay so they
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so you get all this off the line sort of
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jump like my my high school car was a 19
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this is before i bought the Fiat might
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the first the first real car and I
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inherited from my dad
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it was a 1972 chrysler newport imperial
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and it was a coup pay the two door with
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a sort of opera window that had a and
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ahead of vinyl top and the color was
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like metallic copper metallic copper
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Kupe but but uh it when you think of a
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coupe like a like a two-door you think
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of it being a hot-rod car but this
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chrysler newport Imperial was 45 feet
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long and weigh like this up was in the
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style of the time right
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pre pre energy crisis
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oh my god what a boat it and that is
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exactly what we called it the boat
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that's a two-door yeah
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it's just the trouble such as 20 feet
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long but the trunk is 20 feet long and
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and the inside was a was like
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upholstered in exactly the fabric that
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you would you would have honor like a
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grandmother's couch use a 74 it was it
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was 74 Imperial you know an end and the
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largest island ltd yet but bigger and
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and and Chrysler right but I mean just
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in terms like I think if I like a LTR
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continental file from for is what it
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reminds me of it it looks like it's a
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nod to that but it's a little sporty-er
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and it's it's long in the front it's
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long in the back its long in the middle
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this impossibly my god it's ridiculous
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and so my Chrysler had a 440 like a very
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very big motor the displacement of the
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of the motor was pretty much as large as
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you could get there there are obviously
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we're bigger motors that Cadillac had
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like a 472 or something but but 440 was
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very very big engine and and yet the car
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was geared and designed to cruise on
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America's highways and from a stoplight
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if I would slam down the pedal it would
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immediately burn two gallons of gas but
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the car didn't like peel out it didn't
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it it sort of you know it it's its
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initial reaction to having the gas pedal
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slam down was sort of like oh god really
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like lurch forward and then hit its
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stride at about 65 miles an hour so if
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you know it weighed I'm 5,000 5,000 it
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wait and wait over it with over two tons
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yeah so it would it would at about six
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if you're doing a quarter-mile against
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somebody you know like any scirocco or
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any volkswagen golf could just school it
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in a quarter-mile but if you were doing
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a mile or you know or or but two miles
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straight away like forget about it this
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car could could go a hundred and forty
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miles an hour and and it just wanted to
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like the faster it went it just kind of
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would sit down on its haunches it just
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kind of got it would just get lower and
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darker like there was a gear it's
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switched gears at a hundred and ten
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there was another gear at a hundred and
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ten miles an hour it would go into a
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further like overdrive and you'd be
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going like it would down shift at a
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hundred and ten which means that it was
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meant to stay up there they designed it
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in such a way that it was like well a
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210 you're gonna want to have a cruising
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gear at that point right so that
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mentality and I mean and obviously it
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was just it was burning it a gallon gas
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every every minute but that mentality
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compared two cars now where none of
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these little cars can go a hundred miles
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an hour and if they and if you got one
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up 200 miles an hour you wouldn't want
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to stay there they check themselves
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apart but so that Mercedes that 300 it's
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it's a fast car and a very cool smooth
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running car but it's the same thing it's
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decided to go a hundred miles an hour
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all day long and kind of
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they're like a like a brick on ice
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I stepfather i'm pretty sure had the
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successor which is the chrysler new
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yorker brown
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oh that work for you are that's a i
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remember it was hard to close the doors
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and they were so it was electric windows
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which course maybe even heavier it was
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it was so impossibly heavy it was hard
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to close the doors because the doors
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themselves weighed so much
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yeah well I mean there's a lot of
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velocity once you got it moving you
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could like was a kid in that door
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yeah yeah we had we had a lot of fun in
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that car but unfortunately I was not it
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was a late bloomer
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so all of the greats like all of the
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wonderful sexcapades that I potentially
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could have had if I was a little bit
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more of a fast mover by the time by the
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time i was ready to to really make out
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with somebody in the in the on the
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comfortable couch in the backseat of
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that car the car was gone did I ever
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tell you what what happened to that car
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I got back to I got back to Anchorage
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after some trip and I was like where's
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the boat and my dad said oh I gave it to
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the city of Fort Yukon my dad at the
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time was was working as a the city of
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Fort Yukon had encountered some
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financial problems and was kind of going
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bankrupt and it was it was governed by a
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board by a kind of city council but it
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was it was also part of a native
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corporation and and so my dad went there
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to help them
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straighten out their town and kind of
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ended up for a time being a sort of
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unelected mayor chairman or you know
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like consigliere just an ad-hoc
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burgermeister yeah somebody to come up
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there and and and and my dad and my
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uncle both sort of help the city of for
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over the course of several years figure
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out how to govern itself because they
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were alliances between families in the
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town then and there was a board that was
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sort of run by a guy and they had in the
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style of the time like there was the
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town but they also owned an airline the
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town-owned its own airline and they had
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and they were right on the river and it
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was a confusing place anyway we used to
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go up there quite a bit when my dad
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would have business there but I came
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home from some long trip and he said I
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gave your car to the city of for UConn
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and I said that was my car it still had
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my stuff in the trunk man did you open
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the trunk and empty it out and he was
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like oh no i didn't and i was like there
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was there was my stuff was in it like in
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the in the in the backseat my coat and a
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lot of things that seems really i mean
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there's like a package of oreos in the
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glove box that I was still working my
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way through and he was like well you
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know they for whatever reason I needed I
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I felt like it was sitting in my
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driveway and and they needed it and so
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it's now that it's now the car is now
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the city car mean there are other cars
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and for you come but this was now the
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city government car is a point that
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that's very generous but like what a
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cautionary tale I never want to do that
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to my kids car
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well and also in order to get it to for
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UConn he had to drive it up to the end
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of the road and put it on a barge and
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ship it down the Yukon River because
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there's no Road to the city of for UConn
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you can only get there by airplane or by
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barge and he barged it to for UConn and
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then of course the river froze and I you
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know I was arriving home in in december
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or something and it was like there's no
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getting you can't get the car if even
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even if you went up there and said give
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me my car back there wouldn't be any way
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to retrieve it has been setting a lot of
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it was a big my dad you know he never
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did anything half-assed well that's not
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true he did everything FS but he never
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he did not give my car away half asked
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he gave my car away in the in the most
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fully asked way possible
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