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Ep. 167: "Peak Phil Collins"

 

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00:00:39   hello I John but ding-dong [TS]

00:00:44   how is it going but being gone [TS]

00:00:47   ding don't make sure to sing that ah [TS]

00:00:50   what I really want to sing is [TS]

00:00:53   ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba but ramp that's [TS]

00:00:59   from the star track [TS]

00:01:00   yep that's what I really wanna sing but [TS]

00:01:02   I'd I felt like that was a weird way to [TS]

00:01:05   start the show [TS]

00:01:06   yeah I've been thinking about you for [TS]

00:01:07   the last 40 minutes oh haha not been [TS]

00:01:10   listening to I have to keep this to [TS]

00:01:12   contemporaneous but listen to my friends [TS]

00:01:14   podcast talking about Genesis make sure [TS]

00:01:16   you remember how much I loved genesis [TS]

00:01:18   genesis the band or Genesis the be a guy [TS]

00:01:21   a bomb was the first book of the Bible [TS]

00:01:22   um alright yo I didn't you were really [TS]

00:01:26   big fan of Genesis the first book of the [TS]

00:01:28   Bible as a leg [TS]

00:01:31   well yeah i'm going to say you know I [TS]

00:01:33   can't Genesis and Exodus super-strong [TS]

00:01:35   books [TS]

00:01:36   ok then you got to Genesis Exodus [TS]

00:01:38   Leviticus numbers and Deuteronomy a [TS]

00:01:41   little bit samey you feel an older [TS]

00:01:44   brother I i think they did not have one [TS]

00:01:46   cohesive editor for that I think Moses [TS]

00:01:48   probably farmed it out i think i think [TS]

00:01:49   Moses get some good work on the first to [TS]

00:01:51   em you know what he had a stake in it [TS]

00:01:53   anything but the rest of the three was [TS]

00:01:55   all like that was like filling out [TS]

00:01:56   contracts you know what's interesting [TS]

00:01:58   about it or not lie down with shellfish [TS]

00:01:59   in the desert man what's interesting [TS]

00:02:02   about numbers is that that's the moment [TS]

00:02:03   that Peter realized or I'm sorry was [TS]

00:02:06   revealed it was revealed to Peter by God [TS]

00:02:09   that he wasn't just out there trying to [TS]

00:02:12   convert Jews moses and moses think Peter [TS]

00:02:19   came along to later chapters [TS]

00:02:20   holy Moses only only most is Peter one [TS]

00:02:23   week of 11 in Americus [TS]

00:02:27   oh sure you don't confuse with simon [TS]

00:02:28   pearce telling Peter it was it was in [TS]

00:02:31   its acts [TS]

00:02:33   oh sure you get the accident you get the [TS]

00:02:34   Romans sure yeah max in Romans I think [TS]

00:02:37   our to it to the strongest books of the [TS]

00:02:39   new testament I feel like letter 2 [TS]

00:02:41   Corinthians apparently i really get [TS]

00:02:44   engaged all with me i'm john i know the [TS]

00:02:46   b-sides right there [TS]

00:02:48   because it just feels like look until [TS]

00:02:52   the new testament what was it it was [TS]

00:02:56   just a bunch of it was just a bunch of [TS]

00:02:57   crosstalk you know what I mean it was [TS]

00:03:00   just a bunch of like skies in the desert [TS]

00:03:03   finally I'm trying to micromanage [TS]

00:03:04   whatever would each other straight back [TS]

00:03:06   to start track because really you got to [TS]

00:03:09   be what we call the Old Testament is [TS]

00:03:11   like the original star trac mtos we call [TS]

00:03:13   it and then really uh you got you got a [TS]

00:03:16   new testament kinda like Star Trek the [TS]

00:03:18   new generation well and so and that but [TS]

00:03:20   the thing is it's this new generation [TS]

00:03:21   but it if it casts backward [TS]

00:03:24   hmm and it ruined it reveals all that [TS]

00:03:28   was all we didn't understand about [TS]

00:03:31   Kirk's voyage purchase leads right right [TS]

00:03:35   for you know I think a lot of that you [TS]

00:03:37   get into the Joshua judges Ruth you get [TS]

00:03:39   a lot of Captain Pike a ruth what I'm so [TS]

00:03:43   what I'm what I like to think about is [TS]

00:03:45   first interracial kiss on television [TS]

00:03:47   what is the equivalent in the Old [TS]

00:03:49   Testament George Takei and Adam West [TS]

00:03:52   know what the first generate first [TS]

00:03:55   interracial kiss was it was it was a [TS]

00:03:57   bill cosby know it was kirkin Aurora how [TS]

00:04:00   hot so that's big that's big news and [TS]

00:04:04   there was a handsome woman [TS]

00:04:05   well my goodness you know yvonne craig [TS]

00:04:09   past this week [TS]

00:04:11   yvonne craig was that I think I used to [TS]

00:04:14   use shampoo I think you're thinking of [TS]

00:04:17   gee your hair smells terrific [TS]

00:04:19   no I don't know that was it a beer [TS]

00:04:21   shampoo that was what I you know you're [TS]

00:04:23   shy said no this was a macro micro past [TS]

00:04:26   Oh bad girl bad girl one of my my [TS]

00:04:28   primary original hard crushes who has [TS]

00:04:32   passed easy [TS]

00:04:34   yep uh well you know what happens is [TS]

00:04:36   people get old out there they get older [TS]

00:04:39   first and then they get old they cover [TS]

00:04:42   this in Micah their orders for a while [TS]

00:04:44   yes if they're lucky I love old people [TS]

00:04:48   are but young people leave them in the [TS]

00:04:50   Millennials snake people have a good [TS]

00:04:51   you're so old and I'm like have you [TS]

00:04:53   thought about the alternative [TS]

00:04:54   uh well don't be lookin pretty good to [TS]

00:04:57   you soon buddy [TS]

00:04:58   also all those old man there's old Oh [TS]

00:05:00   oh you get old and stale old for a while [TS]

00:05:03   you know there's something you just keep [TS]

00:05:05   your still old uh-huh [TS]

00:05:08   but what happens is just the moisture [TS]

00:05:10   goes at how dare me [TS]

00:05:11   yeah you know this is the year in [TS]

00:05:13   November I i begin my final year inside [TS]

00:05:16   the demographic the only demographic [TS]

00:05:18   that matters [TS]

00:05:19   HR 4970 you're in the clash that's the [TS]

00:05:25   only demographic that matters [TS]

00:05:27   uh yeah pounds and has many bm's you can [TS]

00:05:32   get the you're gonna get the / treatment [TS]

00:05:35   and they're gonna put you on the cover [TS]

00:05:37   of AARP whether you look at haha he was [TS]

00:05:40   it would slash on the cover of AARP 10 / [TS]

00:05:45   okay / welcome how old you have to be [TS]

00:05:48   oh dear now what about stuff like stuff [TS]

00:05:50   on there he's a handsome man that's 48 [TS]

00:05:54   wait really don't get it is 4800 he's [TS]

00:05:56   not 48 what only God Almighty no he's [TS]

00:05:58   not he's really looking 72 that's gotta [TS]

00:06:01   be it's gotta be 51 all right here uh [TS]

00:06:05   let's see how old stuff well probably 50 [TS]

00:06:08   ish of mac k 5050 [TS]

00:06:13   yeah what is he okay I'm gonna kill you [TS]

00:06:17   in 51 [TS]

00:06:18   yeah all right now always bored 64 @ [TS]

00:06:21   so51 yeah [TS]

00:06:23   God look at that guy video for live [TS]

00:06:27   sweet child of mine the other day looks [TS]

00:06:30   she looks so much better now februari [TS]

00:06:32   not to say too much Harry 643 and he's [TS]

00:06:35   been married three times he is 51 born [TS]

00:06:38   in February 64 [TS]

00:06:39   yeah so definitely Generation X Gen X as [TS]

00:06:42   we call it who uh yeah he was not he [TS]

00:06:46   didn't look good when he was doing doing [TS]

00:06:47   a lot of drugs it was not a good look on [TS]

00:06:49   him we had that soufflé hair but it [TS]

00:06:51   looks amazing now you look at him [TS]

00:06:53   yeah yeah yeah he looks like something [TS]

00:06:55   that was carved out of mahogany and then [TS]

00:06:59   painted who and then left in the park [TS]

00:07:03   for a couple years and repaint it and I [TS]

00:07:06   feel like that is a look i wish i had a [TS]

00:07:08   look at you can pull off that hair [TS]

00:07:10   that's amazing hair [TS]

00:07:12   I look like something that [TS]

00:07:14   was first of all delivered in scoops and [TS]

00:07:19   then some scoop for piled on Community [TS]

00:07:23   Design in California assembled in china [TS]

00:07:25   and then select Susan first you throw [TS]

00:07:28   some scooped a little film sweat i'm [TS]

00:07:31   used to lack it don't think so [TS]

00:07:34   I am York and then you missed it you [TS]

00:07:36   look Shakespearean you look [TS]

00:07:37   Shakespearean and what does that mean [TS]

00:07:39   you look like who's the guy to get the [TS]

00:07:42   poison in 20 wall stuff [TS]

00:07:43   no you look at Falstaff a little bit I [TS]

00:07:46   don't you know when I was young [TS]

00:07:47   everybody called me Prince Hal because [TS]

00:07:49   that's an obvious comparison white but [TS]

00:07:52   but now who I feel like I'm Rosencrantz [TS]

00:07:57   yeah right sure sure [TS]

00:08:00   searching for your Guildenstern oh boy [TS]

00:08:03   you saved still saving that for prison [TS]

00:08:04   right uh who Shakespeare yeah did you [TS]

00:08:08   see what time you're going to reach [TS]

00:08:09   experience you go to prison [TS]

00:08:10   yeah I mean I literally could not read [TS]

00:08:14   the liner notes of Shakespeare's sister [TS]

00:08:15   who was she hurt but but I johnny hates [TS]

00:08:18   jazz you saving that for prison [TS]

00:08:20   oh are you kidding me i gobbled it up [TS]

00:08:22   you can avoid Shakespeare just like you [TS]

00:08:26   can't afford to avoid the Bible even [TS]

00:08:27   though i literally I ran from room to [TS]

00:08:31   room trying to avoid the Bible but I [TS]

00:08:32   couldn't [TS]

00:08:33   my grandfather read it all the way [TS]

00:08:35   through every year [TS]

00:08:36   oh if you say yes it's like infinite [TS]

00:08:39   jest or like if you really set yourself [TS]

00:08:40   to it and read it a little short bits [TS]

00:08:42   you can get through the whole thing [TS]

00:08:43   this is seriously the sum of the sum of [TS]

00:08:45   there's a lot of repetition is the oh [TS]

00:08:47   yes oh yes [TS]

00:08:48   yeah i have read i have read to port you [TS]

00:08:51   know the highlights of the Bible good [TS]

00:08:53   portions of it like a doctor's office [TS]

00:08:55   one of those like illustrated children's [TS]

00:08:56   but I went you know I went to jesuit [TS]

00:08:58   school and so there was there was the [TS]

00:09:00   whole Bible as literature tact [TS]

00:09:03   uh-huh that they took and I've read good [TS]

00:09:07   have read the Shakespeare that I that I [TS]

00:09:09   couldn't avoid but you know I mean I are [TS]

00:09:13   all the older I get and I mean you know [TS]

00:09:15   this kind of gets back to last week my [TS]

00:09:17   cop out about his TV the new books but I [TS]

00:09:19   i think it's so much more [TS]

00:09:22   it's so much more interesting to see it [TS]

00:09:25   staged or let's be honest to see a movie [TS]

00:09:28   like you know if you can't get into [TS]

00:09:29   Henry the fifth I can't help you like [TS]

00:09:31   that movie is so goddamn good that is [TS]

00:09:33   the gateway drug for Shakespeare movies [TS]

00:09:35   it's really awfully good they're also [TS]

00:09:37   good Shakespeare movies there are some [TS]

00:09:38   very good Shakespeare movies and but [TS]

00:09:40   like reading it is it does feel like [TS]

00:09:41   you're eating your vegetables whereas [TS]

00:09:43   that language becomes so much more [TS]

00:09:44   lively and understandable when it's [TS]

00:09:46   being acted out it's like saying well [TS]

00:09:48   you know the godfather to the greatest [TS]

00:09:49   movie of all time so you should read [TS]

00:09:51   this script and write a paper about it I [TS]

00:09:53   thought I stand on that I don't want to [TS]

00:09:55   read The Godfather to script although [TS]

00:09:57   now that you mention it I do want to [TS]

00:09:58   read The Godfather to script that it's [TS]

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00:11:49   anyway I heard and what I here naked huh [TS]

00:11:54   no reply at all no reply at all [TS]

00:11:57   there's so many that those humble 3i all [TS]

00:12:01   take you take your Duke you take your [TS]

00:12:03   abacab there's just so many turn it on [TS]

00:12:05   again is I'm sorry yes people will say [TS]

00:12:08   we talked about on the show I don't care [TS]

00:12:09   turn it on again isn't unimpeachably [TS]

00:12:11   great pop song em what you think that [TS]

00:12:14   there's there's something that's very [TS]

00:12:16   hard for people of a certain age to [TS]

00:12:18   accept which is that Phil Collins is [TS]

00:12:20   amazing [TS]

00:12:21   yeah you know I I yeah I idea [TS]

00:12:25   see now I'm always gonna have to sort of [TS]

00:12:27   sight you're no you are the one of the [TS]

00:12:29   People's Army that's the point so here's [TS]

00:12:31   something my friend my friend Anthony [TS]

00:12:33   has this show called unjustly maligned [TS]

00:12:34   and you should be honest sometimes it's [TS]

00:12:36   a really great show basically somebody [TS]

00:12:37   goes on to his program and talks about [TS]

00:12:39   something that almost everybody but them [TS]

00:12:40   hates explains why they like it and why [TS]

00:12:42   they think it is you know as the title [TS]

00:12:45   says I'm just like Justin the line and [TS]

00:12:47   so and so anyway he's on his own show [TS]

00:12:50   it's kind of a long story but he's [TS]

00:12:51   talking about Genesis and like I get all [TS]

00:12:53   of that like it's just there was this [TS]

00:12:54   three-year period that soured me on Phil [TS]

00:12:58   Collins and I love almost everything [TS]

00:13:00   else first of all every indication I've [TS]

00:13:02   got four Collins stand-up dude I've [TS]

00:13:04   heard he's a very nice man [TS]

00:13:06   he seems like a nice man on television [TS]

00:13:07   I'm just getting that out of the way but [TS]

00:13:09   I mean I switzerland i will sit there [TS]

00:13:11   and have some red wine and I will watch [TS]

00:13:14   all of the old Genesis live videos i [TS]

00:13:16   would just watch them i will watch them [TS]

00:13:18   watch them and I will watch Peter [TS]

00:13:19   Gabriel come out with that years on his [TS]

00:13:20   under the flower you alright bom bom [TS]

00:13:23   bom-bom and winston churchill dressed in [TS]

00:13:26   drag he used to be a British flag would [TS]

00:13:30   be a really like that but but yes I do [TS]

00:13:33   but but the listeners should know that [TS]

00:13:35   you also a side with the French in [TS]

00:13:39   agreeing that Jerry Lewis is a national [TS]

00:13:41   treasure [TS]

00:13:42   I think Jerry Lewis is an international [TS]

00:13:44   curiosity and we should treasure him [TS]

00:13:45   because because he is he's a complex [TS]

00:13:48   character [TS]

00:13:49   yes and I think he's very interesting [TS]

00:13:52   but what was the last time you sat down [TS]

00:13:53   and put [TS]

00:13:54   no jacket required on the turntable and [TS]

00:13:57   just listen to both sides of that I'm [TS]

00:13:59   gonna trick question [TS]

00:14:00   incredible incredible document of a time [TS]

00:14:04   well first of all I would need to get a [TS]

00:14:06   turntable and then i would need to get a [TS]

00:14:07   copy of no jacket required also what [TS]

00:14:10   letter because he's a mi somebody like [TS]

00:14:12   that could set in my car once and I made [TS]

00:14:14   them take it back [TS]

00:14:15   Wow no see that's the problem see your [TS]

00:14:17   I'm with the I'm with them up to the [TS]

00:14:21   release and I I anything as I like face [TS]

00:14:23   value [TS]

00:14:24   I love abacab i love Duke I'm right [TS]

00:14:27   there up to the release of little that [TS]

00:14:31   it's no fun being an illegal it's no fun [TS]

00:14:33   that that's on the the self-titled [TS]

00:14:35   Genesis album i think see that's where [TS]

00:14:38   they lost me a little bit name is I'm a [TS]

00:14:39   vice and he was everywhere and they was [TS]

00:14:41   on the fucking concord between two [TS]

00:14:44   different live eight shows and it's just [TS]

00:14:45   weed reach peak on collins don't know [TS]

00:14:47   that seems I mean that if you inhabit [TS]

00:14:49   the character of phil collins for that [TS]

00:14:52   feels pretty good [TS]

00:14:54   yeah right that somebody Russia's you to [TS]

00:14:56   the airport puts you on a Concord and [TS]

00:14:57   takes you to the second library you [TS]

00:14:59   gotta be feeling pretty good about [TS]

00:15:00   yourself [TS]

00:15:01   he could have been a lot worse I will [TS]

00:15:03   also say i will say that he is a triple [TS]

00:15:05   threat like he is an amazing drummer [TS]

00:15:09   killing and tasteful I mean for the for [TS]

00:15:11   the crap that he plays and then in the [TS]

00:15:13   Navy balls time signatures he's [TS]

00:15:14   incredibly tasteful and flexible as a [TS]

00:15:19   musician I think he's you know [TS]

00:15:20   not without here but I think he's [TS]

00:15:21   awfully good and I think he kind of gets [TS]

00:15:24   credit for that he is a great singer [TS]

00:15:25   especially when he really lets it rip [TS]

00:15:27   and and I think he's a good songwriter I [TS]

00:15:30   think he's i think is a good songwriter [TS]

00:15:31   the wind also great comic book artist is [TS]

00:15:35   that right no okay look at those take [TS]

00:15:39   Phil Collins yes put him next to Don [TS]

00:15:42   Henley intently super-complicated also [TS]

00:15:46   good drummer greatest artists also good [TS]

00:15:49   singer also great comic artist also you [TS]

00:15:52   know like frontman songwriter right [TS]

00:15:57   right stop business but also reviled by [TS]

00:16:02   many uh snobs including on mojo Nixon [TS]

00:16:07   john nixon does not like Don him Jackson [TS]

00:16:10   had very strong opinions in the mid to [TS]

00:16:11   late eighties but you know who would [TS]

00:16:13   have had that great everybody swamp [TS]

00:16:15   thing without Don Henley I I did if we [TS]

00:16:17   talked about the the Eagles documentary [TS]

00:16:19   you want us have we I i had i did watch [TS]

00:16:23   the eagles died i watch them I watching [TS]

00:16:25   about every six months you know tonight [TS]

00:16:26   I get completely lost in them it was [TS]

00:16:28   like wading through hot putting really [TS]

00:16:31   just a minute that I say that with the [TS]

00:16:35   full knowledge that like wading through [TS]

00:16:37   hot putting isn't a hundred percent bad [TS]

00:16:40   right right a picture yourself in like [TS]

00:16:43   waist-deep in hot putting em it's not [TS]

00:16:46   his God you probably wouldn't like [TS]

00:16:48   choose it I think i would have a lot of [TS]

00:16:50   confusing feelings about that you have [TS]

00:16:52   right you wouldn't use it but if you [TS]

00:16:53   were on one side of a of a chasm full of [TS]

00:16:57   hot putting and you have to get to the [TS]

00:16:58   other and you and you you knew there [TS]

00:17:02   wasn't going to be like a wave of it you [TS]

00:17:04   just have to wade through it I if he [TS]

00:17:06   knew to a relative certainty that there [TS]

00:17:09   was like putting monster in there that [TS]

00:17:10   was just it was just gonna be warm [TS]

00:17:11   putting that you're wading through well [TS]

00:17:13   I didn't say warm i said hot but it's [TS]

00:17:14   not hot like let's say you had to spend [TS]

00:17:17   15 minutes waist-deep in hot putting [TS]

00:17:19   together for Barnum's side to the other [TS]

00:17:22   that's just a dream that you had to that [TS]

00:17:26   I love the parts in the documentary [TS]

00:17:28   first of all every second Joe Walsh is [TS]

00:17:32   on screen is mature gold totally great [TS]

00:17:34   because he is he's first of all he is he [TS]

00:17:37   is not only extremely talented and [TS]

00:17:38   extremely funny but he's deeply deeply [TS]

00:17:41   on ironically damaged [TS]

00:17:43   yeah oh absolutely but it is amazing [TS]

00:17:45   this and the fact that there is [TS]

00:17:47   something like lip electrically wrong [TS]

00:17:50   with him is he's got the wrong wattage [TS]

00:17:54   fuse or something [TS]

00:17:55   it's absolutely offset by the fact that [TS]

00:17:57   every moment that glenn frey's on the [TS]

00:17:59   screen is like having dental work with [TS]

00:18:02   no anesthesia but this seems the evenin [TS]

00:18:05   like I guess up to hotel california but [TS]

00:18:07   the the while they were still on the [TS]

00:18:09   rise like all the backstage things we [TS]

00:18:11   start off you see all the photos glenn [TS]

00:18:12   frey frey wearing sunglasses and reform [TS]

00:18:14   plan for i was looking at you know he's [TS]

00:18:16   a guitar guy who's saying into these [TS]

00:18:17   country songs that really [TS]

00:18:18   but you look at the backstage and you [TS]

00:18:19   can do kinda not putting on airs but [TS]

00:18:23   they clearly want to be California rock [TS]

00:18:25   stars so it's but it's beautiful to [TS]

00:18:27   watch them like oh having their [TS]

00:18:29   marijuana and their acid trips and isn't [TS]

00:18:32   this fun and then like it isn't more [TS]

00:18:34   than two years later that they are [TS]

00:18:35   clearly waist-deep incredibly hot [TS]

00:18:38   putting that there's no turning back [TS]

00:18:40   from this this world that they had [TS]

00:18:42   sought well yeah and I think like two [TS]

00:18:44   years later they're best friends were [TS]

00:18:46   all lawyers they were rolling XD it's [TS]

00:18:50   david geffen in three lawyers up the [TS]

00:18:52   glenn frey of all the rock musicians in [TS]

00:18:55   history right like it if you look at I [TS]

00:18:58   mean we've all obviously studied [TS]

00:18:59   photographs of john lennon taken every [TS]

00:19:04   30 seconds [TS]

00:19:05   throughout his entire twenties right so [TS]

00:19:08   we can we can sit and argue about which [TS]

00:19:10   was the best lemon and there are a lot [TS]

00:19:13   of people and I don't I'm I feel like [TS]

00:19:15   you are letting in 65 guy i'm not sure [TS]

00:19:19   i'm very definitely a lemon in 67 guy [TS]

00:19:23   after he kind of given up on the band [TS]

00:19:25   right just he was still putting still [TS]

00:19:29   phoning it in [TS]

00:19:30   he was but he was as we've said so many [TS]

00:19:32   times I mean he was very unhappy and [TS]

00:19:34   probably deeply depressed [TS]

00:19:36   yeah oh yeah but that was like this but [TS]

00:19:38   from the time like that's what makes the [TS]

00:19:39   revolver sessions such a delight is that [TS]

00:19:42   like it's the last gasp of these people [TS]

00:19:44   performing as a band in any kind of a [TS]

00:19:46   functional way when you see the outtakes [TS]

00:19:48   and then obviously high and Paul with [TS]

00:19:50   the school classes and like that's the [TS]

00:19:52   last gasp of the beatles as they were [TS]

00:19:55   it's pretty wonderful but Lennon 69 is [TS]

00:19:58   inexcusable like there's no I cannot get [TS]

00:20:01   on i cannot get with Lenin 69 right I [TS]

00:20:03   can't get to him I cannot get with him i [TS]

00:20:07   would not enjoy riding on a train with [TS]

00:20:11   him right he was now he's pretty damaged [TS]

00:20:13   at that point if you see if you can wait [TS]

00:20:15   through the hot putting of let it be [TS]

00:20:17   you can just tell the guy was not right [TS]

00:20:18   and he was on heroin at that point he [TS]

00:20:20   was on the heroin he was and I I just [TS]

00:20:21   wouldn't have enjoyed anything about him [TS]

00:20:23   I wouldn't have enjoyed hearing about [TS]

00:20:24   his politics I wouldn't have enjoyed [TS]

00:20:26   hearing his theories about [TS]

00:20:28   I like sexual politics I wouldn't have [TS]

00:20:32   enjoyed anything about it [TS]

00:20:33   glenn frey not to make not to really [TS]

00:20:37   ruin this program by making any kind of [TS]

00:20:40   comparison between John Lennon England [TS]

00:20:41   private clinic Fry has this weird period [TS]

00:20:44   right there in that time you were [TS]

00:20:46   describing early seventies where he just [TS]

00:20:51   he looks great [TS]

00:20:53   he he just say he's pulling it off oh [TS]

00:20:56   yeah he just he's he's amazing he said [TS]

00:20:59   he was he looked I mean given how much [TS]

00:21:01   of up through the mid seventies it was [TS]

00:21:03   really more like the late sixties he was [TS]

00:21:06   some of those people in the California [TS]

00:21:07   scene were like strangely modern like [TS]

00:21:09   there's something about him was very [TS]

00:21:10   contemporary [TS]

00:21:11   yeah right that's right he is he would [TS]

00:21:14   he would absolutely fit in as a member [TS]

00:21:17   of father john misty is band and the he [TS]

00:21:23   like he blows it right away and I feel I [TS]

00:21:27   feel like Clinton fry with a mustache [TS]

00:21:30   was like really worked for me huh [TS]

00:21:34   um like that at the denim the denim [TS]

00:21:38   dudes denim dudes like she's against [TS]

00:21:42   your skin collar [TS]

00:21:42   yeah also I think it takes being in a [TS]

00:21:44   band like the Eagles I think it takes a [TS]

00:21:46   certain amount of guts to get on stage [TS]

00:21:48   and play an acoustic guitar [TS]

00:21:50   I mean he was he was really good at what [TS]

00:21:52   he did anyway I I I I should be kind of [TS]

00:21:57   Phil Collins I should probably do some [TS]

00:21:59   do some restitution because I really do [TS]

00:22:00   enjoy my missing here listen to Genesis [TS]

00:22:02   tracking down and no no I'm right now [TS]

00:22:05   I'm looking at a picture of glenn frey [TS]

00:22:06   wrapped in a Mexican blanket in joshua [TS]

00:22:08   tree by taking everything back that I [TS]

00:22:11   just said whenever I take it all back [TS]

00:22:13   he was inexcusable from the very [TS]

00:22:15   beginning there was never a single [TS]

00:22:18   moment of glenn frey that he wasn't [TS]

00:22:20   absolutely appalling but I mean a lot of [TS]

00:22:23   what we're talking about [TS]

00:22:25   also by the way also and on my advice [TS]

00:22:28   very big featured I mean featured pretty [TS]

00:22:32   prominently in miami vice and you know [TS]

00:22:35   it is the politics of contraband that's [TS]

00:22:38   right isn't [TS]

00:22:39   bloggers and i think yeah I think I'm [TS]

00:22:42   talking about glenn frey and 74 he was [TS]

00:22:44   already a star but he thought to grow a [TS]

00:22:48   mustache which I have like pre-dawn [TS]

00:22:50   fielder [TS]

00:22:51   yeah that one hell of a guitar player he [TS]

00:22:54   was I'm not [TS]

00:22:55   I can't believe we've talked about the [TS]

00:22:57   Eagles this much eagles are a [TS]

00:22:59   complicated topic for a lot of people [TS]

00:23:01   tonight did I ever tell you about the [TS]

00:23:04   first time that i became aware of the [TS]

00:23:08   fact that people hate the Eagles because [TS]

00:23:13   growing up in the seventies in Alaska [TS]

00:23:17   without a big brother [TS]

00:23:19   let's just stipulate i did not have a [TS]

00:23:21   big brother i'm just getting the Eagles [TS]

00:23:24   the same way everybody else got the [TS]

00:23:25   eagles they were kind of everywhere they [TS]

00:23:27   were everywhere and my older [TS]

00:23:29   well I just said that I didn't have a [TS]

00:23:31   big brother but in fact i do have two [TS]

00:23:33   older brothers but they're much older [TS]

00:23:34   and they did not function as Big [TS]

00:23:35   Brother's for me [TS]

00:23:36   non-canonical that's right they are [TS]

00:23:38   there they were big brothers in a [TS]

00:23:41   different orbit but one of my brother's [TS]

00:23:44   gave my dad the cassette tape i'm sorry [TS]

00:23:48   the 8-track tape of hotel california [TS]

00:23:54   because he wanted my dad to hear the [TS]

00:23:55   song life in the fast lane and my dad [TS]

00:24:00   really embraced the concept of life in [TS]

00:24:03   the fast lane and used to say it all the [TS]

00:24:07   time used to quote it and he didn't [TS]

00:24:12   really play the 8-track but it was lying [TS]

00:24:14   around the house and dad would say like [TS]

00:24:17   well that's life in the fast lane [TS]

00:24:19   we're livin life in the fast lane and so [TS]

00:24:24   from a young age I was like life in the [TS]

00:24:26   fast lane is where we are [TS]

00:24:29   first of all me and my dad and second of [TS]

00:24:31   all it's where you want to be and I the [TS]

00:24:35   the idea that life in the fast lane was [TS]

00:24:38   not a place that you wanted to be which [TS]

00:24:40   is I think the message of the song and [TS]

00:24:44   dad didn't really dive down the lyrics [TS]

00:24:46   long enough to you know it's a classic [TS]

00:24:47   it's a classic like born in the USA [TS]

00:24:49   problem right people didn't get the [TS]

00:24:52   what the song was actually about but [TS]

00:24:55   sometime it was post-high school for me [TS]

00:24:58   after I was in Seattle early nineties [TS]

00:25:02   somebody said to me casually offhand you [TS]

00:25:07   know like all that that band is terrible [TS]

00:25:11   there they're almost as bad as the [TS]

00:25:12   eagles and I was like what do you mean [TS]

00:25:16   II the Eagles are bagged by how do you [TS]

00:25:20   mean the Eagles are bad the Eagles are [TS]

00:25:22   one of the they're one of the great [TS]

00:25:23   bands there right up there with Lynyrd [TS]

00:25:25   Skynyrd and uh and traffic and they're [TS]

00:25:30   up there anything in the seventies they [TS]

00:25:32   were kind of up there with maybe like [TS]

00:25:33   the stones were they were like you know [TS]

00:25:34   like Mona Lisa band where it's like they [TS]

00:25:36   were just they were still there so there [TS]

00:25:38   it would be unusual to have that strong [TS]

00:25:41   of a negative feeling about them [TS]

00:25:42   everybody nobody dislike them and [TS]

00:25:45   everybody kind of like them i think that [TS]

00:25:46   they were bigger than the stones in the [TS]

00:25:48   US and well i mean i don't i can't go I [TS]

00:25:52   can't go over there and see what it's [TS]

00:25:54   like to be over in Europe in the [TS]

00:25:56   seventies I can't even get there in my [TS]

00:25:58   mind but I'm always surprised that when [TS]

00:26:01   you look at record sales how relatively [TS]

00:26:07   few records the stones sold relative to [TS]

00:26:11   other bands that you that you don't [TS]

00:26:13   think of as being bigger than the stones [TS]

00:26:15   like you think of the stones as being [TS]

00:26:17   pretty much top tier by any reckoning [TS]

00:26:22   but the stones didn't really sell that [TS]

00:26:25   many records and I mean obviously they [TS]

00:26:29   sold lots and lots and lots of Records [TS]

00:26:32   but i think that there might have even [TS]

00:26:34   been stones albums the debt that didn't [TS]

00:26:37   go platinum [TS]

00:26:38   yeah especially in like the post exile [TS]

00:26:42   period where they they had their own [TS]

00:26:45   kind of little Jean help for a while [TS]

00:26:46   where they had that hits but I mean like [TS]

00:26:50   that some girls sell that many copies [TS]

00:26:52   I don't know go to soup no that's like [TS]

00:26:55   69 68 or 69 right but I mean do you own [TS]

00:26:58   godson did you know uh no i don't i have [TS]

00:27:02   some great stuff [TS]

00:27:04   I have beggars banquet was called the [TS]

00:27:10   cake 1 i've got is on Main Street is one [TS]

00:27:12   of my favorites get those I've got going [TS]

00:27:15   back to set up some girls and I had had [TS]

00:27:18   some singles at the time but you know I [TS]

00:27:21   mean they're sleeping around 50 years [TS]

00:27:23   people people have been feeling like the [TS]

00:27:25   stones are phoning it in longer most of [TS]

00:27:28   the majority of their career right but [TS]

00:27:32   but but you know the Eagles have the [TS]

00:27:34   best selling record of all time or [TS]

00:27:37   something well just alternate greatest [TS]

00:27:39   their greatest hits the first greatest [TS]

00:27:41   hits record was at one point at least [TS]

00:27:43   only they got hell freezes over hell [TS]

00:27:45   freezes over i think one of the highest [TS]

00:27:46   selling as well [TS]

00:27:48   yeah good point good well so anyway I [TS]

00:27:50   just socially so you become at this [TS]

00:27:52   point young John has become aware aware [TS]

00:27:54   that people hate the Eagles yes and then [TS]

00:27:57   it was one of those things I remember [TS]

00:27:59   the first time somebody said i was i was [TS]

00:28:04   working at a pizza parlor and about 1992 [TS]

00:28:10   and somebody said you know can I get [TS]

00:28:15   extra pepperoni on the slice or [TS]

00:28:16   something I put extra pepperoni or forum [TS]

00:28:18   and the guy said right on and i had [TS]

00:28:23   never heard that the no one has ever [TS]

00:28:27   said right arm to me in with that kind [TS]

00:28:30   of musicality right on and right on felt [TS]

00:28:35   like a sixties phrase uh-huh right on [TS]

00:28:40   who and in 1992 saying right on with [TS]

00:28:45   that kind of casual like flip and right [TS]

00:28:49   on felt very much like a someone is [TS]

00:28:54   knocking on my door [TS]

00:28:55   Oh No expecting anyone no let me go over [TS]

00:28:58   here and see what happens when you [TS]

00:28:59   proceed with caution sure iím this is [TS]

00:29:01   unusual [TS]

00:29:02   alright you stay with her ok Johnson [TS]

00:29:04   just stepping away from the microphone [TS]

00:29:10   you're gonna do spiral arms starting [TS]

00:29:14   when [TS]

00:29:14   thank you talking if you hadn't come [TS]

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00:30:45   supporting Roderick on the loss is gonna [TS]

00:30:48   get interesting did you catch that I [TS]

00:30:49   surely did that was thinking Jarrod was [TS]

00:30:51   journey heard from fire protection [TS]

00:30:53   protection Thank You Jared for the heads [TS]

00:30:55   up they're gonna be ringing the bells [TS]

00:30:57   let's keep we can't done you get some [TS]

00:30:58   happy about you put pepperoni on the [TS]

00:31:02   pizza with pepperoni on this guy's beats [TS]

00:31:03   and he said right on and i was like huh [TS]

00:31:06   it was a I absolutely remember it's [TS]

00:31:09   standing out to me because it was that [TS]

00:31:11   great way that culture does we're at [TS]

00:31:17   first it seemed like this one [TS]

00:31:20   particularly cool guy [TS]

00:31:22   had taken a phrase from the sixties and [TS]

00:31:27   had just thrown it out there super cache [TS]

00:31:30   and and it and it works somehow like [TS]

00:31:35   right on but then working in this pizza [TS]

00:31:39   parlor in the next four weeks i heard [TS]

00:31:44   then a second guy say right on and I was [TS]

00:31:49   like wait a minute i noted it the second [TS]

00:31:52   time i heard it and by four weeks in it [TS]

00:31:55   had become a ubiquitous sort of [TS]

00:31:59   catchphrase for approximately what year [TS]

00:32:02   is this [TS]

00:32:03   90-93 some 193 let's say okay and then [TS]

00:32:08   it all over Seattle [TS]

00:32:10   everyone said right on it went viral [TS]

00:32:13   it went viral and I said right on and i [TS]

00:32:18   continue to say right on now 20-plus [TS]

00:32:21   years later and it was just a it was [TS]

00:32:26   like the first time I heard dude you [TS]

00:32:30   know it just became I I didn't realize [TS]

00:32:32   in that moment that this was not a [TS]

00:32:34   passing thing that this was going to be [TS]

00:32:35   coming unimportant part a key part of [TS]

00:32:39   the way that I was a cool dude [TS]

00:32:43   because if somebody skateboards up to [TS]

00:32:45   you always over the curb flips their [TS]

00:32:48   board up grabs it in their hand and says [TS]

00:32:50   hey John what's up [TS]

00:32:52   it is eighty-five percent certain that [TS]

00:32:54   i'm going to say right on over [TS]

00:32:57   I mean it's such a great response to so [TS]

00:33:03   many things if anybody Ali's within half [TS]

00:33:08   a mile of me I'm probably going to say [TS]

00:33:10   right off uh-huh [TS]

00:33:11   anyway same with Eagles hatred oh i see [TS]

00:33:15   i heard this guy say the Eagles are [TS]

00:33:17   bullshit at a party and I was shocked by [TS]

00:33:20   it and within three weeks every single [TS]

00:33:24   person I knew [TS]

00:33:26   oh here we go to hear the bells idea [TS]

00:33:28   thank God Garrett stop by [TS]

00:33:30   well you know they're not [TS]

00:33:31   not really that loud John it's not that [TS]

00:33:33   loud i think i would it would it would [TS]

00:33:35   wake me up from a nap but yeah it's a [TS]

00:33:39   very i like it i was expecting more like [TS]

00:33:42   reunion me [TS]

00:33:43   yeah I mean I gotta be honest with you [TS]

00:33:45   is I would just for your own safety I [TS]

00:33:47   would hope for something a little more [TS]

00:33:48   muscular man yeah but that sounds like a [TS]

00:33:51   prius backing up [TS]

00:33:52   but-but-but be that there's a kind of [TS]

00:33:55   grinding that's happening underneath the [TS]

00:33:58   beeping hear that yeah [TS]

00:34:00   hey it's struggling well either [TS]

00:34:05   struggling or it feels like it's more of [TS]

00:34:10   an apocalypse alarm right it's more like [TS]

00:34:12   what's there was to be a klaxon a klaxon [TS]

00:34:19   ride a like a like an air raid [TS]

00:34:22   yea though the december seven the [TS]

00:34:24   morning of that's right somebody [TS]

00:34:26   standing on a on a wooden towers like [TS]

00:34:28   with a lever her running the klaxon so I [TS]

00:34:32   don't know how long that's gonna last i [TS]

00:34:33   hope it's not to start because it is it [TS]

00:34:35   you think it's disturbing don't know no [TS]

00:34:37   I don't think I'll be fine okay [TS]

00:34:39   I mean do you remember do you remember a [TS]

00:34:42   moment where the Eagles because they [TS]

00:34:46   think that there was so much revisionism [TS]

00:34:48   in seattle in the early nineties where [TS]

00:34:51   everybody agreed that they had always [TS]

00:34:53   been against the eagles oh yeah the [TS]

00:34:56   right kind absolutely everybody agreed [TS]

00:34:58   that they had always been you know I [TS]

00:35:01   mean that the primary one being that [TS]

00:35:02   every person in their twenties in [TS]

00:35:04   Seattle had always been punk rock [TS]

00:35:07   exactly that's exactly what i was [TS]

00:35:08   thinking it's it's it's so easy to [TS]

00:35:10   revise yourself back into like what was [TS]

00:35:12   that you know that this should the Sex [TS]

00:35:14   Pistols showing Manchester you know that [TS]

00:35:16   they're supposedly like 10 people there [TS]

00:35:17   but like everyone that was there [TS]

00:35:19   woodstock everybody sees himself as [TS]

00:35:21   having been there at the Genesis my god [TS]

00:35:23   how long will that go on do you think [TS]

00:35:24   it's over now huh you talk about the [TS]

00:35:28   alarm and yes I revisionism know their [TS]

00:35:30   visions will go on and on and on until [TS]

00:35:31   11 i don't i'm trying to place i mean [TS]

00:35:35   the the one of my head is like it's a [TS]

00:35:36   joke in the big lebowski that you know [TS]

00:35:39   no I his eagles yeah right but like I [TS]

00:35:42   don't remember that being a me [TS]

00:35:44   Emma but but no but the thing is I don't [TS]

00:35:47   remember being mean but I definitely [TS]

00:35:48   remember being something where they just [TS]

00:35:49   rolls their eyes of the Eagles gonna [TS]

00:35:51   give you some numbers just real quick [TS]

00:35:53   here let's hear some numbers of kids [TS]

00:35:54   from wikipedia which is never wrong some [TS]

00:35:57   some of the big ones long run i'm just [TS]

00:36:00   going to be us numbers long run 7 x [TS]

00:36:02   platinum 17 x platinum yeah it's not [TS]

00:36:06   small [TS]

00:36:07   it's just I'm just picking out for you [TS]

00:36:09   here at eagles live from 1987 x platinum [TS]

00:36:12   hotel california 16 x platinum Eagles [TS]

00:36:20   greatest hits 71-75 put on februari of a [TS]

00:36:22   76 29 x platinum in America alone [TS]

00:36:25   oh my fucking god how many records are [TS]

00:36:29   there that have done 30 million i mean [TS]

00:36:32   there's obviously there's obviously [TS]

00:36:35   michael jackson's hmm a seminal record [TS]

00:36:38   thriller had like seven singles on it i [TS]

00:36:41   think seven or eight [TS]

00:36:43   let's get 30 million records that's got [TS]

00:36:45   to be that's going to be a handful of [TS]

00:36:47   records that have ever done that kind of [TS]

00:36:49   trade [TS]

00:36:50   yeah yeah uh-huh 30 million records [TS]

00:36:54   equals greatest hits [TS]

00:36:56   I don't know though I I am I i kinda [TS]

00:37:00   like I like eagles well see this is the [TS]

00:37:03   thing about the Eagles right if you can [TS]

00:37:04   separate first of all if you can if you [TS]

00:37:06   can erase the picture of dawn fri [TS]

00:37:09   wearing a Mexican blanket in joshua tree [TS]

00:37:12   from her mind fri if you can raise i'm [TS]

00:37:15   talking about on friday now if you're [TS]

00:37:17   talking to a guy from Steely Dan done [TS]

00:37:19   talking for hi Joe vagin was a weapon [TS]

00:37:22   when Rhys older brother who is a lawyer [TS]

00:37:24   and if you leave my car here [TS]

00:37:28   I can't get the picture in Mexican [TS]

00:37:30   blanket and joshua tree tripping on [TS]

00:37:32   p.o.l.o you're in a blanket [TS]

00:37:34   I cannot so I if you can get those but [TS]

00:37:37   the problem is you can't get now now [TS]

00:37:39   let's take that is part of it is the the [TS]

00:37:42   that does those images you can't get [TS]

00:37:44   smugglers blues out of your heads the [TS]

00:37:47   thing about good thing about as well as [TS]

00:37:50   blue sounds like something on [TS]

00:37:51   urbandictionary man about that chick [TS]

00:37:53   fucking lobster now getting smuggled out [TS]

00:37:54   of this [TS]

00:37:55   I was sitting under its last coffee [TS]

00:37:58   table and and she crashed over the top [TS]

00:38:01   and gave him a Smuggler's bloons hahaha [TS]

00:38:03   nobody but the thing is like like the [TS]

00:38:09   the Don Henley singles who the boys of [TS]

00:38:12   summer and the the other one about the [TS]

00:38:15   about marxist revolution in nicaragua or [TS]

00:38:18   whatever his two singles in the eighties [TS]

00:38:19   were oh right yes I like oh dance dance [TS]

00:38:24   dance [TS]

00:38:25   all she wants to do is dance all she [TS]

00:38:26   wants to do is dance that's right you [TS]

00:38:28   got that Johnny can't read from his uh [TS]

00:38:30   from his less well known us for solo [TS]

00:38:33   album and I like the boys of summer [TS]

00:38:35   partly because i'm a big mike campbell [TS]

00:38:37   fan I think boys of summer is exquisite [TS]

00:38:39   he told me that Mike Campbell of the [TS]

00:38:42   bikers up the heartbreakers plays on [TS]

00:38:45   boys someone on bomb [TS]

00:38:47   you're kidding totally my candle oh my [TS]

00:38:49   god that is one of the most tasteful [TS]

00:38:51   guitar parts everything [TS]

00:38:53   well you know he's very good at tasteful [TS]

00:38:55   guitar that church of that changes [TS]

00:38:59   everything and only in a good way i [TS]

00:39:01   already really like that song I couldn't [TS]

00:39:03   escape but it was there was one [TS]

00:39:05   particular moment in the eighties when i [TS]

00:39:08   was still riding the school bus I was 15 [TS]

00:39:11   I couldn't you couldn't drive yet [TS]

00:39:13   obviously and the school bus driver [TS]

00:39:19   listen to the radio and you know in [TS]

00:39:22   Alaska in the winter it's obviously very [TS]

00:39:24   dark and cold on your way to school and [TS]

00:39:27   we're all kind of huddled in the school [TS]

00:39:29   bus and the windows are icing over and [TS]

00:39:32   there's nothing to look at outside but [TS]

00:39:34   just some dark frozen nothing and every [TS]

00:39:38   morning because that was the style of [TS]

00:39:41   radio at the time they would play Don [TS]

00:39:43   Henley's boys of summer kind of the same [TS]

00:39:46   moment every morning like halfway [TS]

00:39:48   through the school bus ride the two [TS]

00:39:50   would come on [TS]

00:39:52   they also played dancing days by the by [TS]

00:39:55   Zeppelin on our don't know every morning [TS]

00:39:58   at about the same time so these songs [TS]

00:40:01   are kind of like drilled into my head [TS]

00:40:03   and conjured that that ride to school [TS]

00:40:07   really powerfully in me but you know how [TS]

00:40:10   do you not like how do you not like boys [TS]

00:40:13   of summer its various usually cut its I [TS]

00:40:16   i want to obviously but it seems [TS]

00:40:18   calculated to create a certain feeling [TS]

00:40:21   and it really does that for me even even [TS]

00:40:24   listening to it I have a certain feeling [TS]

00:40:25   about in 85 and now whatever 30 years [TS]

00:40:28   later I still have a certain feeling [TS]

00:40:29   about it [TS]

00:40:30   well I'm not feeling very evocative and [TS]

00:40:31   very affecting that deadhead stick [TS]

00:40:33   around a Cadillac line even it and the [TS]

00:40:35   Wayfarers tip of the hat [TS]

00:40:38   yea even at the time I felt like those [TS]

00:40:40   were cynical and contrived and yet [TS]

00:40:44   powerfully effective because i think [TS]

00:40:48   that stick on a calyx pretty good line [TS]

00:40:50   it's a great line but it felt very much [TS]

00:40:52   it felt very pandering of a certain [TS]

00:40:55   moment in 1980 whatever 80 whenever that [TS]

00:40:59   was for 85 85 where where that was [TS]

00:41:05   exactly the kind of rye knowingness that [TS]

00:41:07   we all craved having like whoa man dead [TS]

00:41:12   had sticker on a Cadillac right here [TS]

00:41:14   bright am i right [TS]

00:41:16   MRA and then the Wayfarers was just like [TS]

00:41:19   some product placement [TS]

00:41:20   uh-huh that really equated with the fact [TS]

00:41:23   that everybody was wearing wafers except [TS]

00:41:26   me i was wearing four days actually [TS]

00:41:28   everybody was wearing Barney's to let's [TS]

00:41:30   be honest there are only two kinds of [TS]

00:41:31   sunglasses this is just getting worse [TS]

00:41:33   and it's getting worse and worse there [TS]

00:41:35   were Wayfarers people in their Barney's [TS]

00:41:37   people and if I'm true if I'm honest [TS]

00:41:40   with myself now i realize that i should [TS]

00:41:43   have been away fares / so my god dead [TS]

00:41:45   stick on a Cadillac you know what i mean [TS]

00:41:47   is all identified as against this person [TS]

00:41:50   because it it was more like what i [TS]

00:41:52   thought i was no more Outsiders a little [TS]

00:41:54   more ideas than Nikki yeah and I'm like [TS]

00:41:56   no I'm a Barney's guy [TS]

00:41:58   her but now I you know and I think for a [TS]

00:42:02   long time I've if I were if I was honest [TS]

00:42:04   with myself it was like now you were [TS]

00:42:06   away from this guy the whole time [TS]

00:42:08   Michael Jackson's Thriller forty-two [TS]

00:42:10   point four million that's been that's [TS]

00:42:12   bonkers but wait a minute [TS]

00:42:14   the Eagles was 40 right 39 and let's see [TS]

00:42:17   this is that this is a riaa i think i'm [TS]

00:42:20   not sure i'm looking on the best-selling [TS]

00:42:22   there's there's a 12345678 albums that [TS]

00:42:26   have sold over 40 million copies if you [TS]

00:42:28   if you want and when I'm sorry I'm sorry [TS]

00:42:30   this isn't claimed sales claimed sales [TS]

00:42:33   if you want the real 7151 265 million [TS]

00:42:36   claim sales 42 certified in America or [TS]

00:42:40   I'm not sure ACDC got 25 I'm just I'm [TS]

00:42:43   just greatness on a on a curve here [TS]

00:42:45   ACDC but back in black 25 million copies [TS]

00:42:47   and there's there's some interesting [TS]

00:42:50   ones in here bat out of hell by meatloaf [TS]

00:42:53   20 million so that is the one when I've [TS]

00:42:56   looked at this list before which I have [TS]

00:42:58   done a thousand times the thing about [TS]

00:43:01   soundscan I don't have you ever known [TS]

00:43:03   somebody that had access to soundscan [TS]

00:43:05   not directly i do remember when it came [TS]

00:43:08   into being because it's when i was [TS]

00:43:09   playing in bands of my friend it was [TS]

00:43:11   like there are 92 or so write something [TS]

00:43:12   around then nevermind the other guitar [TS]

00:43:14   player my band was the manager of an [TS]

00:43:16   awesome yacht be awesome record store in [TS]

00:43:18   town and soundscan changed everything [TS]

00:43:21   yes all the sudden everyone what while [TS]

00:43:23   people are not listening to nearly as [TS]

00:43:26   much of this pop rock as we thought and [TS]

00:43:28   way more country than one more entry [TS]

00:43:30   right so much more country [TS]

00:43:31   come on when hip-hop tell the nice [TS]

00:43:33   people how does what happened in the pre [TS]

00:43:35   soundscan in the cocaine days versus the [TS]

00:43:37   post soundscan what was the big [TS]

00:43:38   soundscan they're doing the sales at the [TS]

00:43:40   terminal it's not shipped copies its how [TS]

00:43:42   many things people paid money for in a [TS]

00:43:44   store right right and I and I you know I [TS]

00:43:48   think that be I think that prior to [TS]

00:43:52   soundscan the like the country music [TS]

00:44:00   people didn't really even the the that [TS]

00:44:05   culture wasn't driven by or rather that [TS]

00:44:09   country music charts [TS]

00:44:11   we're thing that the pop culture people [TS]

00:44:16   just ignored who cared if you if you [TS]

00:44:20   bought country records you bought them [TS]

00:44:22   somewhere it was a good almost like had [TS]

00:44:24   a big asterisk on it [TS]

00:44:26   yeah right like it wasn't it wasn't like [TS]

00:44:27   I'm just guessing here but it's almost [TS]

00:44:30   like that well that's not really who [TS]

00:44:31   were going for right yeah and and so [TS]

00:44:36   whatwhat's and the charts were the [TS]

00:44:39   charts were reported by radio right that [TS]

00:44:42   was it was like it was casey kasem like [TS]

00:44:44   he was some combination of yet the [TS]

00:44:47   Billboard style charts which are totally [TS]

00:44:49   crooked and you've got at one time the [TS]

00:44:51   report was based on number of copies [TS]

00:44:53   that were shipped ship which is why you [TS]

00:44:55   could buy a copy of the kiss solo albums [TS]

00:44:56   until like last month like they were in [TS]

00:44:59   cut out for like 20 years because the [TS]

00:45:01   number that shift we had to be the [TS]

00:45:03   neuron much exactly how it worked but [TS]

00:45:04   the record stores got the money back for [TS]

00:45:06   the cutouts but they were still counted [TS]

00:45:08   as being sold i think women i'm getting [TS]

00:45:10   it now [TS]

00:45:11   billboard built that because there was [TS]

00:45:14   no system billboard just call record [TS]

00:45:17   stores [TS]

00:45:18   really yeah billboard had people that [TS]

00:45:21   called record stores and asked them [TS]

00:45:23   about their sales that's crazy and so so [TS]

00:45:28   people at the rest would be like oh yeah [TS]

00:45:30   Chris solo records sellin and the eagles [TS]

00:45:35   records been selling a lot but there was [TS]

00:45:38   also like record companies like David [TS]

00:45:40   Geffen I'm sure did this would just send [TS]

00:45:43   those guys a hundred-dollar bill in the [TS]

00:45:44   family and say hey make sure you make [TS]

00:45:47   sure you tell them that Don Henley's [TS]

00:45:49   selling that stuff is that's never gone [TS]

00:45:50   away [TS]

00:45:51   yeah so uh so then all of a sudden you [TS]

00:45:54   do they could track it but then but then [TS]

00:46:01   the airplay thing was the thing that [TS]

00:46:04   like you remember a lot of those bands [TS]

00:46:07   that were really really big on mtv in [TS]

00:46:08   the early days [TS]

00:46:09   turns out they didn't sell any records [TS]

00:46:10   at all but their records were there [TS]

00:46:13   their videos were high rotation and so [TS]

00:46:15   it felt like they were huge [TS]

00:46:20   anyway so yeah when soundscan came out [TS]

00:46:22   it was suddenly revealed that the big [TS]

00:46:24   just country records were selling more [TS]

00:46:27   than the big rock records right and that [TS]

00:46:29   was the dawn of country music as a [TS]

00:46:32   country music is like a major economic [TS]

00:46:37   and cultural force number for the [TS]

00:46:40   bodyguard 27.4 million and and that's [TS]

00:46:44   why nick lowe never have to work again [TS]

00:46:46   well and also like what's interesting to [TS]

00:46:48   me and I learned this through the [TS]

00:46:50   through being friends with the posies [TS]

00:46:51   alright is there on Austin Powers know [TS]

00:46:54   they were on a reality bites [TS]

00:46:57   oh yeah I'm sorry I told me this and if [TS]

00:46:58   you get one song on the soundtrack like [TS]

00:47:02   that so look at look at all the all the [TS]

00:47:04   other songs on the bodyguard soundtrack [TS]

00:47:06   right if you look at bodyguard [TS]

00:47:08   soundtrack there some people on there [TS]

00:47:10   that just that just basically punched [TS]

00:47:13   their ticket they got some song on there [TS]

00:47:16   that nobody gives a shit about but that [TS]

00:47:20   but that that thing sold 27 million [TS]

00:47:22   copies and they get some small [TS]

00:47:23   percentage of every one of those which [TS]

00:47:24   is which ends up being not small [TS]

00:47:27   this is really interesting but but to [TS]

00:47:31   have access to real soundscan which is [TS]

00:47:33   which is a wonderful thing because it [TS]

00:47:36   enables you to do if you and I had [TS]

00:47:38   access to soundscan we would basically [TS]

00:47:40   just be a podcast we would never [TS]

00:47:42   it would it would take a moment to run [TS]

00:47:44   the the raw firehouse [TS]

00:47:46   yeah because you can say to me tell me [TS]

00:47:49   how many records did a the James Gang [TS]

00:47:56   cell i could probably say how many [TS]

00:47:58   copies of the worst you can do as [TS]

00:48:00   hard-working as harm sold the week [TS]

00:48:03   before christmas in 2007 and you can go [TS]

00:48:05   look that up you could say how many [TS]

00:48:07   copies did the worst you can do is hard [TS]

00:48:08   to sell the week before christmas in st. [TS]

00:48:10   Louis Howe man and I could go look it up [TS]

00:48:12   and so it's it's endlessly entertaining [TS]

00:48:16   and it's beautiful and I do I have [TS]

00:48:18   friends that have access to it because [TS]

00:48:19   costs it costs $15,000 or something to [TS]

00:48:22   have all that data in the only you know [TS]

00:48:27   only record labels and certain you know [TS]

00:48:29   journalist I mean you have to pay for it [TS]

00:48:30   like share like like buying pro tools or [TS]

00:48:33   whatever you it's a it's a it's a thing [TS]

00:48:35   that [TS]

00:48:37   Justin Barcia can pursue never had [TS]

00:48:40   soundscan but like merge does or be a [TS]

00:48:45   bigger is better [TS]

00:48:46   sure so it's one of the great it's one [TS]

00:48:49   of the great gal baker's pink with ok [TS]

00:48:51   right and it's alright so you got you [TS]

00:48:54   your front with the glasses with move [TS]

00:48:56   aside you get this in his chair for a [TS]

00:48:57   minute that's right then my favorite [TS]

00:48:59   thing to do is I'll be out in the world [TS]

00:49:01   and I will you know but be somewhere and [TS]

00:49:04   i'll meet some musician and we'll shake [TS]

00:49:07   hands and hang out and have a coffee and [TS]

00:49:09   a drink and or somebody will be like oh [TS]

00:49:11   yeah are you can get from you know you [TS]

00:49:13   know I know WT ours and I might have [TS]

00:49:16   meant to me and how are you and we [TS]

00:49:18   talked and we sit and have some coffee [TS]

00:49:19   and then i excuse myself and go to the [TS]

00:49:22   bathroom and I send a text to my man in [TS]

00:49:25   havana and I say how many records to [TS]

00:49:27   defeat Garza cell in 1997 and then I get [TS]

00:49:31   the data back and then I can [TS]

00:49:32   contextualize my relationship with that [TS]

00:49:35   person and sometimes it's wonderful [TS]

00:49:38   oh my god that's so that's thrilling [TS]

00:49:40   because I'll be sitting with somebody [TS]

00:49:42   and they'll be throwing they'll be [TS]

00:49:43   throwing attitude at me because of how [TS]

00:49:47   rock-and-roll they are and how then I'll [TS]

00:49:50   find out what their soundscan numbers [TS]

00:49:51   are through my through my back door man [TS]

00:49:53   who and then I'm like oh you know what's [TS]

00:49:56   up 18,000 I don't say it don't say it to [TS]

00:49:59   him maybe they can see in your eyes [TS]

00:50:01   well I don't I don't I don't take any [TS]

00:50:03   shade off of them after I figure out [TS]

00:50:05   like Oh your your your bestseller record [TS]

00:50:09   and shit fool just because you know just [TS]

00:50:14   because you've got skinny jeans on and [TS]

00:50:16   you're wearing some and you're wearing a [TS]

00:50:17   class clash badge on your Levi's jacket [TS]

00:50:20   doesn't mean you can pitch attitude at [TS]

00:50:23   me because you sold 21,000 records [TS]

00:50:25   please check your numbers and that [TS]

00:50:27   doesn't yeah it doesn't that I don't [TS]

00:50:29   give a shit good for you good for you [TS]

00:50:30   man [TS]

00:50:31   not afraid to really get in there mix it [TS]

00:50:32   up yeah but the problem is you check [TS]

00:50:34   somebody's numbers and they're like [TS]

00:50:35   fucking sold 60,000 acres and I gotta [TS]

00:50:38   shut up now [TS]

00:50:39   Spice Girls album spice from 1996 28 [TS]

00:50:43   million that's impossible [TS]

00:50:45   so yeah I refuse to accept that Adele [TS]

00:50:47   her album 21 [TS]

00:50:49   ironically enough 20 [TS]

00:50:51   you 1.3 million copies but more than [TS]

00:50:54   abbey road so right and Adele I mean she [TS]

00:50:58   is a contemporary star of the of the [TS]

00:51:00   moment and of the times [TS]

00:51:02   yes and there are a lot more people now [TS]

00:51:04   that's true there are more people right [TS]

00:51:05   people people born people die Jagged [TS]

00:51:08   Little Pill 24.8 million see I believe [TS]

00:51:10   that because i still hear that should [TS]

00:51:12   all the time in like that record and so [TS]

00:51:14   that I didn't like it that its charm [TS]

00:51:17   yeah it is that there was something [TS]

00:51:20   about the way she chewed on her vowels [TS]

00:51:23   that was like she was actually chewing [TS]

00:51:26   on my bones honest why you to my bones [TS]

00:51:32   while you chew in my bones and and and [TS]

00:51:35   and and it might have been that I was [TS]

00:51:37   you know that was that the area where a [TS]

00:51:39   lot of satire not that different in age [TS]

00:51:41   family and she was a she was precisely [TS]

00:51:45   the age of the girl that was working [TS]

00:51:48   behind the counter at the copy shop that [TS]

00:51:50   I was trying to chat up over and that [TS]

00:51:52   girl was lit actually listening to that [TS]

00:51:54   record while shopping alright alright [TS]

00:51:56   again chance on that one then she was [TS]

00:51:58   glaring at me because it was really [TS]

00:52:00   ironic and I was just like oh this is [TS]

00:52:03   these are these are the worst of times [TS]

00:52:05   little did I know how much worse it was [TS]

00:52:08   going to be able to give honor nevermind [TS]

00:52:12   16.7 million so you know that's [TS]

00:52:14   impressive [TS]

00:52:15   that's pretty good i wouldn't have known [TS]

00:52:16   that what about Pearl Jam's 10 not even [TS]

00:52:18   up there right 60 million [TS]

00:52:21   I don't see it on this page and you see [TS]

00:52:26   the guns and roses 21.3 appetite to 21 [TS]

00:52:30   32 party to see that's I would see [TS]

00:52:34   that's it [TS]

00:52:35   I mean that's impressive knowledge and [TS]

00:52:36   that explains why some of my friends who [TS]

00:52:40   were formerly in Guns and Roses don't [TS]

00:52:42   have to work now [TS]

00:52:43   yes but but just think about sears what [TS]

00:52:46   nobody understands this is what I I [TS]

00:52:48   never could get with the whole I could [TS]

00:52:50   kind of get with it but the whole like [TS]

00:52:51   Michael Jackson beat up thing about how [TS]

00:52:52   he was in bad shape for money [TS]

00:52:54   like what it's you and certifications we [TS]

00:52:57   will because if you go in and you like [TS]

00:52:59   build up this lifestyle and you have a [TS]

00:53:01   fucking giraffe and like you do all this [TS]

00:53:03   stuff like that's quite a nut is around [TS]

00:53:05   for everything its ramifications you get [TS]

00:53:07   all that stuff on the scene is good [TS]

00:53:08   better and different i'm saying is that [TS]

00:53:09   like if you've never just because you've [TS]

00:53:11   never had as much money as Michael [TS]

00:53:12   Jackson doesn't mean you can't have a [TS]

00:53:13   little sympathy for like what happens [TS]

00:53:15   today so if you have been planning out [TS]

00:53:17   the last 20 or 30 years of your life [TS]

00:53:19   based on how the last 15 years went by [TS]

00:53:22   put better put what if what if what if [TS]

00:53:24   you were Nick Lowe and like you have you [TS]

00:53:26   were spending money as though it were [TS]

00:53:28   1999 mm just assuming that hey the CD [TS]

00:53:32   things going to just keep going up and [TS]

00:53:33   up and up [TS]

00:53:34   I'm just saying it must be a pretty [TS]

00:53:35   different world not just for for the the [TS]

00:53:37   guy from galaxy 500 but for like ever [TS]

00:53:39   everybody it must be so crazy today I [TS]

00:53:42   just can't even imagine what the graphs [TS]

00:53:44   look like for some of this stuff i think [TS]

00:53:45   michael jackson's problem was that he he [TS]

00:53:47   he took out payday loans but he did like [TS]

00:53:51   high-end payday loans [TS]

00:53:52   yeah he was just he he he knew that the [TS]

00:53:55   money was gonna come in and so he took [TS]

00:53:57   out big loans from from shady operators [TS]

00:54:01   based on his future earnings and then [TS]

00:54:04   all of a sudden he could borrow against [TS]

00:54:05   time he owned the beatles he owned sorry [TS]

00:54:08   the the Macklin catalog right right [TS]

00:54:10   right northern songs or whatever [TS]

00:54:11   yeah but he got you know the problem [TS]

00:54:17   with that is then then you're on you're [TS]

00:54:20   on some ups and downs and you're paying [TS]

00:54:21   eighteen percent interest and you know [TS]

00:54:24   it i do not think that he was very wise [TS]

00:54:28   well I think about this all the time in [TS]

00:54:30   the sense that I'm lucky that I never [TS]

00:54:32   made any money at all until I was 40 [TS]

00:54:36   right right because by then all my [TS]

00:54:39   patterns were established I always live [TS]

00:54:42   like I always live basically like the [TS]

00:54:46   cook on a wagon train [TS]

00:54:48   how come I've got my one pan and a bag [TS]

00:54:53   of dried beans and some panic and a [TS]

00:54:55   handgrip and coffee grinder and it's [TS]

00:54:59   closer to the truth than I really you [TS]

00:55:01   know any drink more tea coffee [TS]

00:55:03   yeah you eat larger buckets of food yeah [TS]

00:55:06   but I cook all my food in one pan throw [TS]

00:55:10   some pork fat in there throw some beans [TS]

00:55:12   in there got the ring the dinner bell [TS]

00:55:14   thinking anything [TS]

00:55:15   come on get it boys and you know and so [TS]

00:55:20   now I now that's the thing I'm really [TS]

00:55:22   ready for a big huge pile of money to [TS]

00:55:24   fall on me because I know I would never [TS]

00:55:27   take out a payday loan i would never [TS]

00:55:29   assume that I would ever make any more [TS]

00:55:31   money after that [TS]

00:55:32   yeah it would be really nice right now [TS]

00:55:35   for studio somebody to ring my doorbell [TS]

00:55:39   thing better than a warning about a [TS]

00:55:42   firearm yeah somebody ring my doorbell [TS]

00:55:44   and I opened the door and there are two [TS]

00:55:46   guys to kind of big guys in in those [TS]

00:55:50   black suits where you feel like yeah [TS]

00:55:53   somebody somebody paid good money for [TS]

00:55:54   these suits but these guys are just so [TS]

00:55:57   big that it's hard to get a suit to fit [TS]

00:55:59   right yeah yeah and they're both wearing [TS]

00:56:01   sunglasses and one of them has one of [TS]

00:56:04   those a clear earphone curlicue [TS]

00:56:08   earphones absolutely yeah and they say [TS]

00:56:10   John Roderick and I go yes and they go [TS]

00:56:13   like can only scan your retina or get [TS]

00:56:15   thumbprint got some proof [TS]

00:56:17   we're going to present you have a [TS]

00:56:18   briefcase that handcuffed nobody's is [TS]

00:56:20   because because it were talking about it [TS]

00:56:22   we're trying to a larger sum of money [TS]

00:56:23   than could be contained in a briefcase [TS]

00:56:25   no parabens no Barry Bonds and I go yeah [TS]

00:56:28   I'm John Rother can they go great [TS]

00:56:30   there's somebody would like to talk to [TS]

00:56:32   you and then and I look out in the front [TS]

00:56:35   and there's like kind of monkey less of [TS]

00:56:38   a man being pushed up in a wheelchair [TS]

00:56:40   and now there are three life [TS]

00:56:41   downright three black Suburbans right [TS]

00:56:44   uh-huh okay in the door the door opens [TS]

00:56:46   11 a guy gets out he's a young guy he's [TS]

00:56:49   wearing a teacher maybe he's got a maybe [TS]

00:56:51   he's got a hoodie so we could get the [TS]

00:56:53   app class after class exactly he's [TS]

00:56:55   wearing a hoodie but he's also got a [TS]

00:56:57   suit jacket on but it's kind of you know [TS]

00:56:59   like a plan or whatever and he's like oh [TS]

00:57:02   my god John Roderick am i right [TS]

00:57:04   he's like right on and he always up to [TS]

00:57:07   my front porch and I'm like a man and [TS]

00:57:10   he's like hey what's up [TS]

00:57:11   shaka-brah gives me some kind of [TS]

00:57:13   complicated handshake [TS]

00:57:15   yep and then he's like listen big fan of [TS]

00:57:17   router on the line just wanted you to [TS]

00:57:19   know tomorrow my company is going public [TS]

00:57:23   and i flew up here just to say that for [TS]

00:57:29   all the help you've given us [TS]

00:57:31   I just want to i want to have you in on [TS]

00:57:34   this initial public offering and I'm [TS]

00:57:37   just I'm just gonna give you 20 million [TS]

00:57:39   chairs [TS]

00:57:40   he already paid for oh yeah they're just [TS]

00:57:42   it's just he just had a mere marked who [TS]

00:57:45   is he recognized the importance of [TS]

00:57:48   rhetoric on the line to his hole in the [TS]

00:57:51   other thought technologies built up in [TS]

00:57:53   him and enabled him to be like i'ma [TS]

00:57:56   guard the genius grant money [TS]

00:57:57   exactly and then I you know what who me [TS]

00:57:59   and he's like all i need to do is sign a [TS]

00:58:01   couple of pieces of paper and then a guy [TS]

00:58:02   gets out with the with thick glasses who [TS]

00:58:06   kind of looks like the guy in the blade [TS]

00:58:09   runner who is who designs eyeballs are [TS]

00:58:12   you sure [TS]

00:58:13   and he comes out and he's got a bunch of [TS]

00:58:15   like complicated that I'm not signing [TS]

00:58:17   any pieces of paper it's all digital [TS]

00:58:18   private like you put your finger in a [TS]

00:58:21   digital paez see I didn't exactly if he [TS]

00:58:24   gives you one virtual reality contract [TS]

00:58:26   have to walk into a virtual office for [TS]

00:58:28   site maybe this is the product maybe the [TS]

00:58:29   product is a company that makes virtual [TS]

00:58:31   contract experiences and the kid is [TS]

00:58:33   standing there kind of proud and kind of [TS]

00:58:34   smug and like my great-great-great am i [TS]

00:58:37   right am i right look at this [TS]

00:58:38   hey turn your head to the side okay now [TS]

00:58:40   turn it sideways all right what would [TS]

00:58:42   you see at that and I'm like amazing [TS]

00:58:45   this is incredible [TS]

00:58:46   I don't deserve this and he's like [TS]

00:58:47   listen this is the least i can do this [TS]

00:58:50   is the least I can do to repay you [TS]

00:58:53   and then the whole thing gets back there [TS]

00:58:55   all pile back into the into the [TS]

00:58:57   Suburbans which it turns out our are [TS]

00:59:00   hydrogen powered mm and then blew off [TS]

00:59:03   they go [TS]

00:59:04   yep and then the next day it's on the [TS]

00:59:06   front page all the newspapers now I [TS]

00:59:07   would want my heart fuck well no not my [TS]

00:59:10   not my thing but the idea that blew up [TS]

00:59:12   the skits it's dipi and all digital [TS]

00:59:14   contract store offices have changed the [TS]

00:59:17   way that we do everything it's literally [TS]

00:59:18   disruptive that's right and it's [TS]

00:59:20   incredibly disruptive product and shares [TS]

00:59:23   it's a fire sale on these things [TS]

00:59:26   there were three hundred dollars apiece [TS]

00:59:27   the stock split on its first day and i'm [TS]

00:59:32   just sitting there like what do I do now [TS]

00:59:34   uh-huh and I and I take my dinner bell [TS]

00:59:37   down and my and my one all I don't think [TS]

00:59:40   so i don't want to know why don't I put [TS]

00:59:42   a minute I put them in my small bag and [TS]

00:59:44   your window and and and I locked the [TS]

00:59:47   door of the house and you know and then [TS]

00:59:49   I'm just like kung foo and set it on [TS]

00:59:52   fire [TS]

00:59:53   mr. walking the walk in America kids i [TS]

00:59:56   love that I love that as the last act [TS]

00:59:58   though is that you finally you [TS]

00:59:58   though is that you finally you [TS]

01:00:00   you you finally get the get the possum [TS]

01:00:02   just be a backup bag you walk away to [TS]

01:00:04   make sure families out just you [TS]

01:00:06   literally set on fire what fire it [TS]

01:00:08   seemed very take it easy buddy it right [TS]

01:00:10   like like them like a Norwegian funeral [TS]

01:00:12   ship [TS]

01:00:13   I don't know what you're talking about [TS]

01:00:15   here which is what you say goodbye to [TS]

01:00:18   Gary got one last chance to chat so i [TS]

01:00:21   had heard a very interesting [TS]

01:00:22   conversation between Gary and his his [TS]

01:00:26   landlord dress his land lord Rick's [TS]

01:00:30   yesterday [TS]

01:00:33   what is that this is the lady who's been [TS]

01:00:35   there for a while the lady talk to ya [TS]

01:00:37   she was yelling at him she came out she [TS]

01:00:39   was like Gary Gary wake up neatly I hear [TS]

01:00:45   this band or slide open and she's like [TS]

01:00:47   is my cat in there it's like I don't [TS]

01:00:50   even know what you she's like I told you [TS]

01:00:53   never to take my cat into your van is I [TS]

01:00:56   don't even know I don't think so and [TS]

01:00:59   then you can hear this is not a big van [TS]

01:01:01   it's up it's like a shorty van and you [TS]

01:01:04   can hear the two of them trying to [TS]

01:01:06   figure out whether her cat is in his man [TS]

01:01:09   oh man I 10 now want to search Gary's [TS]

01:01:11   minivan and they cannot tell me you're [TS]

01:01:16   either on Gary Gary it's not just the [TS]

01:01:18   carries not copping to it he's actually [TS]

01:01:19   legitimately not sure if there's a [TS]

01:01:21   Katniss man I think Gary new but he's [TS]

01:01:25   pretty is playing dumb and then turns [TS]

01:01:28   out the cat is in the van and she yells [TS]

01:01:33   at him for 10 minutes about the about [TS]

01:01:36   the cat and then he starts to after he [TS]

01:01:38   wakes up a little bit he starts to yell [TS]

01:01:39   back at her and he says at one point he [TS]

01:01:43   says well I know one thing and that is [TS]

01:01:48   that i don't know huh [TS]

01:01:51   I was like that seems like something i [TS]

01:01:52   should write down was Socrates i think i [TS]

01:01:54   was waiting now is awake right after the [TS]

01:01:56   Civil woke me up in the morning and then [TS]

01:01:59   they started yelling at each other she [TS]

01:02:00   was like you don't yell at me Gary you [TS]

01:02:02   do not yell at me and he was like i just [TS]

01:02:04   feel like i do all the work around here [TS]

01:02:07   no I know nobody ever gives me any [TS]

01:02:10   credit and i'm trying to think of a [TS]

01:02:12   single thing they can [TS]

01:02:13   has ever done that I've ever seen but I [TS]

01:02:18   didn't want to get involved i don't want [TS]

01:02:20   to open my window and be the you know be [TS]

01:02:22   the bad stick my head out with Mike you [TS]

01:02:24   know my hair carlex yeah and we'll start [TS]

01:02:27   waving my pan Adam you know you'd never [TS]

01:02:30   do anything where do you get up over [TS]

01:02:32   there and this is all a bit the latest [TS]

01:02:35   news of course is the people next door [TS]

01:02:36   to 22 where Gary and Skeeter lived they [TS]

01:02:40   have a rooster now and it's a it's a [TS]

01:02:43   young rooster a he's just coming into [TS]

01:02:47   his own and so his cockadoodledoo is is [TS]

01:02:52   pretty fucked up [TS]

01:02:53   it's a immature cockadoodledoo oh that [TS]

01:02:56   kind of sounds like a ok its kind of [TS]

01:03:00   people person as we just go [TS]

01:03:02   yeah and it's just like are you kidding [TS]

01:03:04   me when does it end [TS]

01:03:06   but on the plus side the possums are out [TS]

01:03:11   possums are out touch totally just not [TS]

01:03:16   there no no noise no traces no nothing [TS]

01:03:18   so we trapped [TS]

01:03:19   three possums and they went to live on a [TS]

01:03:25   farm and then my mom in her inimitable [TS]

01:03:29   style [TS]

01:03:31   this is like the last days of my [TS]

01:03:33   political campaign so I'm working all [TS]

01:03:35   the time on the campaign we have no time [TS]

01:03:38   to think about anything my moms like [TS]

01:03:39   listen I can't abide this I cannot abide [TS]

01:03:42   that possums are getting into your house [TS]

01:03:46   and I think everybody thought that I was [TS]

01:03:48   crazy or something until i trapped three [TS]

01:03:50   possums and then it was like oh shit he [TS]

01:03:52   has possums living in his house and so [TS]

01:03:55   my mom came out five o'clock in the [TS]

01:03:57   morning as she does and she's strong [TS]

01:03:59   wire mesh around the the base of my [TS]

01:04:06   entire house so you talked about this on [TS]

01:04:09   another program is this really true she [TS]

01:04:11   dug a trench and filtered out of chicken [TS]

01:04:13   wire put down to put down tight mesh [TS]

01:04:15   Jonathan who might be new listeners to [TS]

01:04:17   our program can ask roughly how old your [TS]

01:04:19   mom is she's 81 years old [TS]

01:04:21   okay she's out there but she starts at [TS]

01:04:24   five in the morning because it's cooler [TS]

01:04:25   and she's you know [TS]

01:04:27   he's up already so why not get to work [TS]

01:04:29   and so by noon every day should be like [TS]

01:04:31   well that I'm done for the day and she [TS]

01:04:32   did it on her own time but in the [TS]

01:04:34   meantime you know the house next door [TS]

01:04:36   got torn down on the other side and all [TS]

01:04:39   the rats that we're living in that house [TS]

01:04:41   went everywhere and so then just as we [TS]

01:04:44   were getting the possums out I now had [TS]

01:04:45   rats in the in the ceiling and so then I [TS]

01:04:51   had to trap the rats but I've now [TS]

01:04:54   trapped the rats have trapped the [TS]

01:04:56   possums everything is trapped and in the [TS]

01:04:58   meantime my mom hermetically sealed the [TS]

01:05:01   the foundation of the house and and then [TS]

01:05:07   I lost the election so now I have all [TS]

01:05:09   the free time in the world ever you [TS]

01:05:12   choose me and now my house is I think [TS]

01:05:16   impermeable that's a real roller coaster [TS]

01:05:19   fee right now I just had you know a lot [TS]

01:05:22   of ups and downs and now i can feel [TS]

01:05:24   autumn is coming but also a lot of smoke [TS]

01:05:28   in the air right now from all the forest [TS]

01:05:30   fires [TS]

01:05:30   oh yeah the organ in Washington all [TS]

01:05:32   kinds of smoking on [TS]

01:05:34   yep and my entire family is going to [TS]

01:05:35   Paris without me next week and so [TS]

01:05:39   prevented by accident or did they tell [TS]

01:05:41   you [TS]

01:05:41   yeah yeah well it was the thing we're [TS]

01:05:43   actually all those suburban pulled up [TS]

01:05:45   out front and so the guy jumped out at [TS]

01:05:47   me was like I'm taking your family to [TS]

01:05:49   Paris shit I'm I'm really busy right now [TS]

01:05:53   go Paris so they're all going to Paris [TS]

01:05:56   and then my mom and sister are going to [TS]

01:05:58   Russia and i am going to be all alone [TS]

01:06:01   all alone not just all alone but like [TS]

01:06:05   all alone in America em you need a [TS]

01:06:08   project I feel like you need to project [TS]

01:06:10   you do man illegal assertive but you [TS]

01:06:12   this this I mean that the obvious once [TS]

01:06:14   you there you could work on your issue [TS]

01:06:16   days album you could you could you could [TS]

01:06:18   finish that fucking book there's all [TS]

01:06:20   kinds of stuff you can do it doesn't [TS]

01:06:21   have to be a house project this could be [TS]

01:06:22   a project of the mind could be a project [TS]

01:06:24   of the soul and heart i could they will [TS]

01:06:26   you something that's going to keep you [TS]

01:06:28   occupied where you might have something [TS]

01:06:30   you know you hold your hand when you're [TS]

01:06:31   done okay well let me know maybe we [TS]

01:06:33   should put this to our listeners ok here [TS]

01:06:35   are the choices right should I finish [TS]

01:06:39   the long winters record which is a [TS]

01:06:42   fully-fledged rock record which only [TS]

01:06:46   needs lyrics should i get along winners [TS]

01:06:50   record is done except for lyrics [TS]

01:06:52   that's right should I sound of my all [TS]

01:06:56   meeting my face okay that's one that's [TS]

01:07:00   one should i make a record of super sad [TS]

01:07:05   solo acoustic piano jams where I sing in [TS]

01:07:08   a low register sort of gravely not Tom [TS]

01:07:12   Waits but like sad breathy slow piano [TS]

01:07:18   James you can make a few gonna happen [TS]

01:07:21   helpful yeah basically [TS]

01:07:23   should I make like a bleeps and bloops [TS]

01:07:28   record of loops and like up-tempo [TS]

01:07:32   electronic a problem EDM John not EDM [TS]

01:07:38   but like like like electro-pop [TS]

01:07:41   electroclash something is aloose bleeps [TS]

01:07:43   and bloops yeah something like that [TS]

01:07:45   so those are the three musical options [TS]

01:07:47   ok I could finish my book about my walk [TS]

01:07:49   across europe i could graduate from the [TS]

01:07:52   University of Washington huh [TS]

01:07:54   I i could write a different book about [TS]

01:08:00   my recent experiences or I could set to [TS]

01:08:04   work on developing a television show for [TS]

01:08:07   the internet okay what what that's like [TS]

01:08:10   six [TS]

01:08:11   yeah something like that you got it you [TS]

01:08:12   got long winters you got long winters [TS]

01:08:14   you got bleeps and bloops you got low [TS]

01:08:16   register piano right you've got finished [TS]

01:08:20   the book about the walk [TS]

01:08:21   you've got a row graduate from college [TS]

01:08:27   and graduate from university of [TS]

01:08:28   washington that's easy to do [TS]

01:08:30   wouldn't take much but it's you know [TS]

01:08:32   what is going to paper paperwork is [TS]

01:08:34   paperwork tonight as creative you can [TS]

01:08:36   read a new book about your recent [TS]

01:08:37   experiences know what was the last 10 [TS]

01:08:39   alright a TV show for the internet [TS]

01:08:41   develop a television show for the [TS]

01:08:43   internet I [TS]

01:08:44   it's all roughly the kind of things that [TS]

01:08:45   maybe not necessarily finish could you [TS]

01:08:47   make a pretty good cut in most of those [TS]

01:08:49   over to three weeks i think if I devoted [TS]

01:08:53   myself entirely to any one of those [TS]

01:08:55   things for two weeks where it was just [TS]

01:08:58   like this is all you're doing for two [TS]

01:09:00   weeks [TS]

01:09:01   I'm far enough along on all of those if [TS]

01:09:05   I spent nothing but two weeks deciding [TS]

01:09:08   to graduate from college I would [TS]

01:09:09   graduate who if I spent nothing but two [TS]

01:09:11   weeks writing lyrics to the long winters [TS]

01:09:13   record i would I feel like I would need [TS]

01:09:16   something additional to that like not [TS]

01:09:19   just this is all you're doing for two [TS]

01:09:21   weeks but there are real consequences [TS]

01:09:24   I don't think there are any consequences [TS]

01:09:27   to not finishing because I've already [TS]

01:09:30   endured all of those who but there if [TS]

01:09:33   there were some real if finishing in two [TS]

01:09:36   weeks [TS]

01:09:37   finishing that record produced some some [TS]

01:09:39   kind of immediate result like like that [TS]

01:09:45   the that day you will be you know you'll [TS]

01:09:48   be ushered into the to a new room in [TS]

01:09:52   your own house that you didn't know was [TS]

01:09:54   there [TS]

01:09:54   mmm something something where we're for [TS]

01:09:57   like I have a have a that it's not just [TS]

01:09:59   two weeks from now I'm gonna have these [TS]

01:10:01   songs two weeks more worked on right [TS]

01:10:05   it's that two weeks from now if this [TS]

01:10:06   record is done than X like yeah at two [TS]

01:10:12   weeks up i don't think that would be [TS]

01:10:14   enough to finish the book about the walk [TS]

01:10:16   across Europe but it but it would it [TS]

01:10:17   wouldn't hurt it [TS]

01:10:18   which arm off stop your head don't [TS]

01:10:21   overthink it which one do you feel the [TS]

01:10:22   most energy or enthusiasm about the TV [TS]

01:10:26   must be interested that's totally new [TS]

01:10:28   yeah but the TV is the TV TV program to [TS]

01:10:31   really do it would it's incredibly [TS]

01:10:34   collaborative it would require a team of [TS]

01:10:36   you have to really work with other ppl [TS]

01:10:38   yeah five to 10 people and yeah and that [TS]

01:10:40   is less of a challenge for me that it [TS]

01:10:42   would have been a long time ago [TS]

01:10:44   it's just the challenge is finding those [TS]

01:10:46   five to 10 people and having them want [TS]

01:10:48   to do it also would you be doing the [TS]

01:10:50   music at your home [TS]

01:10:51   we have to go to studio i think that uh [TS]

01:10:54   the songwriting part I could [TS]

01:10:57   do in my home who the recording it but [TS]

01:11:02   that's the thing i don't think i could [TS]

01:11:03   finish the album in two weeks but I [TS]

01:11:05   could finish the songs and finishing the [TS]

01:11:09   songs it would require a little bit of [TS]

01:11:12   of brian eno rising myself if you know I [TS]

01:11:17   would have to i would have to adopt some [TS]

01:11:19   oblique strategies in this little stack [TS]

01:11:21   of cards i would have to say good enough [TS]

01:11:24   multiple times i would have to do a [TS]

01:11:27   thing a week style thing or a thing add [TS]

01:11:31   a style thing which is very hard for me [TS]

01:11:33   to say good enough have some of these [TS]

01:11:38   could be a little bit ambitious for that [TS]

01:11:42   amount of time [TS]

01:11:43   yeah well I mean the thing is I I'm not [TS]

01:11:46   limited to two weeks i could extend that [TS]

01:11:48   deadline to a month but at a month it [TS]

01:11:51   seems far enough away that he was shot [TS]

01:11:54   what if he shot to record whatever [TS]

01:11:56   material you needed to produce the [TS]

01:11:58   equivalent of an EP of low register [TS]

01:12:00   piano songs [TS]

01:12:02   ok so I'm just saying like you could [TS]

01:12:04   record enough for an album then choose [TS]

01:12:06   the whatever 325 best MVP [TS]

01:12:10   well I don't know what you call it but [TS]

01:12:11   the idea is the idea would be what if [TS]

01:12:13   you what if you your goal was to have [TS]

01:12:15   however much you write and record have [TS]

01:12:18   325 finish things that you really like a [TS]

01:12:21   lot got that seems pretty doable and you [TS]

01:12:23   can do it right there with the piano [TS]

01:12:24   that seems doable but since that seems [TS]

01:12:26   eminently do I don't wanna I don't wanna [TS]

01:12:27   you know scotch the democratic process I [TS]

01:12:29   think the listener should be able to say [TS]

01:12:31   you know what they think but you you [TS]

01:12:33   know the the ambition [TS]

01:12:35   you know you can use one right now you [TS]

01:12:36   can use a win that's that's a good way [TS]

01:12:38   of putting it [TS]

01:12:39   yeah give yourself a whim put some [TS]

01:12:42   points on the sports board put points up [TS]

01:12:44   on the sports bored with by scoring some [TS]

01:12:47   goals people like it when you play piano [TS]

01:12:50   John you know you know i mean i'm a [TS]

01:12:54   terrible piano player but that you have [TS]

01:12:58   that good of a guitar player [TS]

01:13:00   well that's true too but you know new [TS]

01:13:02   songs kind of exciting it's a new thing [TS]

01:13:04   see now that feels doable [TS]

01:13:05   you know how to do all those things mean [TS]

01:13:07   I'm just tossing it out I didn't show [TS]

01:13:09   the other day with the with the Watkins [TS]

01:13:12   family [TS]

01:13:14   yeah i saw a photo of you it down i [TS]

01:13:15   thought that i see was that photoshop [TS]

01:13:17   wasn't really with you in Apple in the [TS]

01:13:18   photograph guess being filled apple and [TS]

01:13:21   the Watkins kids sarah & sean watkins [TS]

01:13:24   who were that who were two-thirds of [TS]

01:13:27   nickel creek [TS]

01:13:28   Oh with the the bluegrass e country-ish [TS]

01:13:31   yeah that's right because I enjoy them [TS]

01:13:34   John [TS]

01:13:34   yes they're very very good you're [TS]

01:13:35   awfully good i've heard them on NPR and [TS]

01:13:37   they're good they're extremely good and [TS]

01:13:40   they're also extremely nice but they are [TS]

01:13:44   they are extremely good in a way that is [TS]

01:13:49   it's one of those things where you're [TS]

01:13:53   sitting in a room and you're like these [TS]

01:13:55   guys are my friends and they are [TS]

01:13:57   musicians and i am a musician may have [TS]

01:14:00   put out records and I put out records [TS]

01:14:01   and we are of the same class and then [TS]

01:14:05   Sarah pulls out her violin and Sean [TS]

01:14:09   picks up his guitar an instrument that I [TS]

01:14:11   also play and they say well we should [TS]

01:14:14   learn a tuned for tonight's show [TS]

01:14:16   uh why don't we do that song by the [TS]

01:14:20   Carter Family somebody left my chicken [TS]

01:14:24   up in the challah or whatever to the 344 [TS]

01:14:27   that's right two three four and then he [TS]

01:14:29   goes up reportedly panel about parent [TS]

01:14:32   company seriously no no no your little [TS]

01:14:34   bit and and I'm like holy shit they're [TS]

01:14:39   really good musicians and then they'll [TS]

01:14:42   then they'll get to the chorus and [TS]

01:14:44   they'll do a thing and they'll stop and [TS]

01:14:47   Sean will say I think instead of C sharp [TS]

01:14:50   there you want to go all the way to the [TS]

01:14:52   e and she's like really and the name [TS]

01:14:55   they don't really count off they just [TS]

01:14:58   launched back into it and she goes to [TS]

01:15:01   the E and then they both get a really [TS]

01:15:04   satisfied look on their face and then he [TS]

01:15:06   says yeah because that then that makes [TS]

01:15:10   it a seven and eight and then she says [TS]

01:15:14   let's do it again and they do it again [TS]

01:15:16   and she puts a little a little like [TS]

01:15:18   thrill in there [TS]

01:15:20   and then the second they do it again and [TS]

01:15:23   then he catches the frill set the next [TS]

01:15:26   time without they don't say that I could [TS]

01:15:28   I could watch that all day and i'm [TS]

01:15:30   sitting in a chair like and so they've [TS]

01:15:35   got effectively AC chord in three [TS]

01:15:36   different place exactly and then so then [TS]

01:15:38   a girl walks in and she's in a she's in [TS]

01:15:40   a really like a really nice dress [TS]

01:15:43   she's a beautiful woman and all [TS]

01:15:46   incidentally they're all very handsome [TS]

01:15:49   I mean they're all very lovely looking [TS]

01:15:50   people also and that she walks in and [TS]

01:15:53   she's she's a she looks like somebody [TS]

01:15:57   out of a dear friend looks like a woman [TS]

01:16:02   out of a TV reenactment of the early [TS]

01:16:06   days of the Ryman Auditorium like I'm a [TS]

01:16:08   contemporary a contemporary TV show of [TS]

01:16:12   like the fifties at the fifties in [TS]

01:16:16   Nashville [TS]

01:16:17   uh-huh so she's she's perfectly put [TS]

01:16:20   together but also she looks modern just [TS]

01:16:23   modern enough that you know that you're [TS]

01:16:24   watching a reenactment [TS]

01:16:26   and I think to myself oh here is a [TS]

01:16:29   friend or hear that she's going to MC [TS]

01:16:31   the show or maybe she's a vocalist but [TS]

01:16:33   she pulls out a violin and they start [TS]

01:16:36   the three of them playing and you [TS]

01:16:39   realize that this woman is an incredibly [TS]

01:16:42   good violinist also and they are now [TS]

01:16:44   playing harm harmony with one another on [TS]

01:16:47   the violin to fiddles and doing the same [TS]

01:16:52   business of like they'll stop and one of [TS]

01:16:53   them will say well why don't we just do [TS]

01:16:54   that what we do the whole goddamn [TS]

01:16:57   goddamn got you got you got caught with [TS]

01:17:00   your pants down and I'm like what the [TS]

01:17:01   fuck is that they're talking about now [TS]

01:17:03   and then they all go a little lip dearly [TS]

01:17:05   there and which apparently is Oh goddamn [TS]

01:17:07   got caught with your pants down and i [TS]

01:17:10   realized that i am not a musician at all [TS]

01:17:14   right that they are musicians at a level [TS]

01:17:18   where they they have they are speaking [TS]

01:17:21   of common language that they understand [TS]

01:17:24   and are able to [TS]

01:17:28   [Music] [TS]

01:17:30   they're able to speak fluently and by [TS]

01:17:34   comparison like my knowledge of my [TS]

01:17:38   instrument and my knowledge of music as [TS]

01:17:40   a language is is very much like spanish [TS]

01:17:45   101 and I'm so pleased that whatever [TS]

01:17:49   course my life has taken has delivered [TS]

01:17:51   me into this backstage room to be apart [TS]

01:17:54   to be just someone sitting in a chair [TS]

01:17:55   while this goes on around me and knowing [TS]

01:17:59   that this is their life they do this [TS]

01:18:00   every night and they have this this this [TS]

01:18:04   facility and so yeah right if I think [TS]

01:18:11   too much about my piano my slope sad [TS]

01:18:14   piano EP and realize that there is an [TS]

01:18:19   aspect of it which will just be a primer [TS]

01:18:21   on how badly [TS]

01:18:24   John understands the piano right here [TS]

01:18:26   that could be the title of it but i [TS]

01:18:30   cannot be inhibited by that [TS]

01:18:32   no I have to just say this is a document [TS]

01:18:36   of my particular orbit around the sun [TS]

01:18:40   which is which is not comparable to [TS]

01:18:43   anyone elses and in my or my in my [TS]

01:18:47   multiple orbits around the Sun this is [TS]

01:18:49   what I've come up with [TS]

01:18:50   here's how I figured out how to you know [TS]

01:18:54   I found this box that has these white [TS]

01:18:56   and black levers and even though there [TS]

01:19:00   were people in books around that could [TS]

01:19:01   explain how it works to me I ignored [TS]

01:19:03   them and now I've this is what I came up [TS]

01:19:06   with so that's the that that has to be [TS]

01:19:11   my approach but like the experience of [TS]

01:19:13   watching other musicians oh and so then [TS]

01:19:15   I get on stage with them that night and [TS]

01:19:17   play some songs and their band is those [TS]

01:19:22   two and then Fiona Apple and then the [TS]

01:19:26   drummer from lone justice what and the [TS]

01:19:29   bass player from collective soul were [TS]

01:19:33   collecting souls that would think so i [TS]

01:19:38   don't have long justice [TS]

01:19:39   me too mmm [TS]

01:19:41   and uh and w Garza who I referred to [TS]

01:19:46   earlier in this conversation playing the [TS]

01:19:49   piano and the and the guitar and it's [TS]

01:19:55   like their entire band is just awesome [TS]

01:19:59   musicians who are like maybe was soul [TS]

01:20:07   coughing I think maybe the bass player [TS]

01:20:08   was from Soul Coughing wow yeah yeah [TS]

01:20:14   they tell it was the baseball for [TS]

01:20:15   copying our collective soul tight a [TS]

01:20:17   tight group really tight group of really [TS]

01:20:20   really really dynamite players who all [TS]

01:20:22   were [TS]

01:20:23   dynomite and playing music that just you [TS]

01:20:27   know for effortless effortless [TS]

01:20:29   effortlessly tumbles tumbles down like a [TS]

01:20:31   waterfall [TS]

01:20:33   it made me really glad actually because [TS]

01:20:35   for whatever reason i was invited in and [TS]

01:20:43   it feels much more like where I belong [TS]

01:20:46   even even recognizing my my limitations [TS]

01:20:52   oh well just get to state what seems [TS]

01:20:55   obvious to me and I don't necessarily [TS]

01:20:57   mean this is consolation but I mean you [TS]

01:20:59   come out from a different point of view [TS]

01:21:00   you had him in my mind you you know i [TS]

01:21:03   don't know it's your not being too hard [TS]

01:21:04   on yourself but you're being a little [TS]

01:21:05   hard on yourself you expect me to come [TS]

01:21:07   at it more as a singer-songwriter like [TS]

01:21:09   you come out as somebody who you have [TS]

01:21:11   learned guitar and piano in order to [TS]

01:21:13   write and perform songs which is [TS]

01:21:15   different it's different coming up and [TS]

01:21:17   and you know spending years in music [TS]

01:21:19   theory or a conservatory or something [TS]

01:21:21   like that it's a different approach and [TS]

01:21:23   I mean and to state the super obvious [TS]

01:21:24   like one of your most beloved songs is [TS]

01:21:27   one of the simplest songs like next to [TS]

01:21:30   roadrunner or Louie Louie your most [TS]

01:21:33   acclaimed song in some ways it is the [TS]

01:21:35   the most basic 3-quart song ever written [TS]

01:21:37   but you imbued it with so much heart [TS]

01:21:40   that people can hear a three chord song [TS]

01:21:42   in the two thousand and cry when United [TS]

01:21:45   is gonna go faster miles an hour [TS]

01:21:49   haha [TS]

01:21:52   yeah that's what you do you should do [TS]

01:21:53   you should do a bunch of jonathan [TS]

01:21:55   richman covers with the radio that kind [TS]

01:21:59   of the chewing gum wrapper [TS]

01:22:00   hey no but I mean right i mean like in [TS]

01:22:03   like a little kid could play commander [TS]

01:22:04   thinks aloud and make people cry then I [TS]

01:22:06   think there's nothing I mean I mean [TS]

01:22:09   it'sit's not Lamb Lies Down on Broadway [TS]

01:22:11   but it's not supposed to be but no [TS]

01:22:13   anyway are you meant that anecdote was [TS]

01:22:16   mostly a positive thought you were going [TS]

01:22:17   in a different direction as a positive [TS]

01:22:18   thing you like being around those people [TS]

01:22:20   even though you maybe didn't feel quite [TS]

01:22:21   up to muster in terms of like the [TS]

01:22:23   chemistry they've got but i'm looking [TS]

01:22:24   here at davydd Garza's page on the [TS]

01:22:28   wikipedia and he works with nickel creek [TS]

01:22:30   greatly Phillips few an apple he's in [TS]

01:22:32   the largo crowd it sounds like it's all [TS]

01:22:34   it's all very largo for sure but we know [TS]

01:22:37   he's not that active jon brion man that [TS]

01:22:40   can just be justjust place on whatever [TS]

01:22:41   you just start playing anything and the [TS]

01:22:43   and this is that that's the thing about [TS]

01:22:44   this entire group they're all that style [TS]

01:22:48   of musician you know i've i've spent [TS]

01:22:49   plenty of Plenty years around people [TS]

01:22:52   that you put any instrument in their [TS]

01:22:54   hand and they go how does this work in [TS]

01:22:57   the you know the first thing they start [TS]

01:22:59   doing is tuning it which right away if [TS]

01:23:03   you hand somebody an instrument that [TS]

01:23:04   they've never seen before in the first [TS]

01:23:05   thing they start doing is tuning it you [TS]

01:23:07   know that you're in trouble [TS]

01:23:08   this is called a Chapman Stick I think [TS]

01:23:10   it's a little flange while and then they [TS]

01:23:14   just start figuring it out and the music [TS]

01:23:16   just pours out of it you're like oh [TS]

01:23:17   right you it's not that you don't know [TS]

01:23:19   how to play it it is just that but it [TS]

01:23:21   kind of skill you think of is coming [TS]

01:23:23   from jazz musicians in propositional [TS]

01:23:25   jazz musicians but apply to you know the [TS]

01:23:28   rockford acular well or that the the the [TS]

01:23:32   Nashville door into rock and roll is [TS]

01:23:37   such a different door you come through [TS]

01:23:40   the Nashville door and you have all this [TS]

01:23:43   knowledge that applies or that you [TS]

01:23:47   learned initially in the really really [TS]

01:23:50   tightly fenced-off world of Nashville [TS]

01:23:52   songs where there are no surprises or or [TS]

01:23:56   mountain songs you know hillbilly music [TS]

01:23:58   write anything it's almost like blues [TS]

01:24:00   where there's a pretty prescribed form [TS]

01:24:02   and even when there's like a freak or [TS]

01:24:03   you can pretty much guess what the freak [TS]

01:24:04   or it's going to be you know what it's [TS]

01:24:05   going to be [TS]

01:24:05   and all we have to do is here once [TS]

01:24:06   you're going to catch it the second time [TS]

01:24:07   around here you know every song a lot of [TS]

01:24:10   the hill songs they do have one surprise [TS]

01:24:12   in them [TS]

01:24:13   uh-huh but all you have to do is learn [TS]

01:24:16   the surprise and the rest of it is you [TS]

01:24:20   know is just a it's just a matrix but [TS]

01:24:23   then you you come out of that room and [TS]

01:24:25   you come out we come from that world and [TS]

01:24:27   you walk through the door into rock and [TS]

01:24:29   roll you still bring all that knowledge [TS]

01:24:31   with you and the Rock and Roll isn't [TS]

01:24:33   that different maybe the songs have two [TS]

01:24:35   surprises but you know building at the [TS]

01:24:41   the other way from from the direction i [TS]

01:24:43   came which is like learning all the [TS]

01:24:44   surprises or don't learn and learn [TS]

01:24:46   nothing first of all that was my first [TS]

01:24:48   rule but write your own surprises and [TS]

01:24:52   see if you can make surprises that fool [TS]

01:24:54   everybody and you know what i have done [TS]

01:24:58   I've had a lot of success making [TS]

01:25:00   surprises that fooled really good [TS]

01:25:02   musicians but what I don't have is all [TS]

01:25:07   that connective tissue knowledge that [TS]

01:25:09   you know i mean if somebody played [TS]

01:25:12   something for me it's all it all feels [TS]

01:25:14   like a surprise to me [TS]

01:25:15   uh-huh was just like wow I mean like us [TS]

01:25:17   you know all that stuff that Jonathan [TS]

01:25:19   Coulton knows about how courts fit [TS]

01:25:20   together [TS]

01:25:21   it all seems like magic to me just like [TS]

01:25:24   to see and how you can combine like in a [TS]

01:25:27   way that is not showy but the way he [TS]

01:25:29   combines what's happening with the music [TS]

01:25:32   what seems like a fairly simple music [TS]

01:25:34   and then combining that with what seems [TS]

01:25:35   like a fairly simple harmonies but being [TS]

01:25:38   able to like bridge these little [TS]

01:25:39   sections together pollen storm really [TS]

01:25:40   good at that too i mean they have so [TS]

01:25:42   much vocabulary that they can pull out [TS]

01:25:44   and when they're performing with with [TS]

01:25:46   the combination of you know musicality [TS]

01:25:48   and the singing like that that's that's [TS]

01:25:50   just watching that happen in front of [TS]

01:25:51   you is just stirring and it comes from [TS]

01:25:54   learning 10,000 covers i think in pollen [TS]

01:25:57   storms case i'm jonathan the thing that [TS]

01:25:59   people don't forget about John are the [TS]

01:26:01   people think that people forget about [TS]

01:26:03   Jonathan Coleman is that he majored in [TS]

01:26:04   music at Yale so he learned it's like [TS]

01:26:10   majoring in french at Yale you had [TS]

01:26:11   better be able to speak French you find [TS]

01:26:13   all those little worm holes between [TS]

01:26:14   between keys and styles and things like [TS]

01:26:17   that without having to do the math in [TS]

01:26:18   your head [TS]

01:26:19   you just kind of say old is this here [TS]

01:26:20   and there's this there and you know like [TS]

01:26:23   you say there's one twist one surprise [TS]

01:26:24   and in the most rock songs but he finds [TS]

01:26:26   a way to like and and with lyrics to [TS]

01:26:29   with the lyrics and I don't know he's [TS]

01:26:31   saying the guy's a total package [TS]

01:26:32   yeah that's the thing you can't that's [TS]

01:26:34   something you can't you can't teach [TS]

01:26:35   can't teach that lyrics thing you would [TS]

01:26:39   it kill you to be civil i think it's [TS]

01:26:43   lying to myself all the time just always [TS]

01:26:44   thinking Jonathan Coulton song is that [TS]

01:26:46   right [TS]

01:26:46   oh yeah I I there they're just the thing [TS]

01:26:48   is his songs like they may be Giants why [TS]

01:26:51   don't even say this girl looks like i'm [TS]

01:26:54   just gonna say three syllables dr. worm [TS]

01:26:56   is dr. worm the greatest songs of all [TS]

01:26:59   time [TS]

01:27:00   it's not even the greatest thing might [TS]

01:27:01   be giants song of all time but once i [TS]

01:27:03   hear dr. worm I will be singing it all [TS]

01:27:05   the time for three grown-up days have [TS]

01:27:08   turned on the TV is a real worm [TS]

01:27:11   yeah that's right he thinks he's getting [TS]

01:27:12   better on the drums but you can handle [TS]

01:27:14   criticism [TS]

01:27:16   yea verily my god [TS]

01:27:21   oh this guy's would I wish those guys [TS]

01:27:23   would share a little bit of what they [TS]

01:27:24   have with me i don't know how they would [TS]

01:27:27   go about doing that plan what you just [TS]

01:27:28   described their love you know I mean we [TS]

01:27:31   know you were both fans of things like [TS]

01:27:33   the rock documentaries and behind the [TS]

01:27:34   music and like I could just watch that [TS]

01:27:36   stuff all day long but in that case [TS]

01:27:37   that's a retrospective it's super [TS]

01:27:39   interesting retrospective but in the [TS]

01:27:41   case what you're describing like [TS]

01:27:42   watching that happening in in real time [TS]

01:27:44   in a room is it really is an overused [TS]

01:27:48   word but it's a little bit magical it [TS]

01:27:49   feels like there's something alchemical [TS]

01:27:50   happening that nobody in the room can [TS]

01:27:52   really exactly identified but when you [TS]

01:27:54   watch your like what did you just do [TS]

01:27:55   know how did how did all of that just [TS]

01:27:58   come together and then you did two more [TS]

01:28:00   things that came together you didn't [TS]

01:28:01   have to talk about it it's just it's [TS]

01:28:03   it's so amazing is you know anybody [TS]

01:28:05   who's great at their job working with [TS]

01:28:06   other people are great at their job like [TS]

01:28:07   I could watch that stuff all day one [TS]

01:28:09   yeah you know that's what it boils down [TS]

01:28:12   to right this is again inspiring to you [TS]

01:28:15   in the sense that this is me you maybe [TS]

01:28:17   want to do more of this some music stuff [TS]

01:28:19   well it is my it is the world that i [TS]

01:28:25   have struggled [TS]

01:28:28   within for a long time and running for [TS]

01:28:33   office absolutely reminded me that [TS]

01:28:39   whatever my struggles were in in [TS]

01:28:44   figuring out how to solve my music [TS]

01:28:46   problems those struggles from within [TS]

01:28:50   from within a political campaign those [TS]

01:28:54   struggles suddenly seemed like the [TS]

01:28:56   funnest most awesome problems to have [TS]

01:28:59   like a what what was your problem it was [TS]

01:29:04   hard to write lyrics [TS]

01:29:06   oh well why don't you think about that [TS]

01:29:08   on your way to this meeting in a union [TS]

01:29:11   hall where people are going to where [TS]

01:29:16   people are going to be visibly not [TS]

01:29:18   interested in your ideas and then then [TS]

01:29:22   let's talk about how hard it is to to to [TS]

01:29:27   finish lyrics that at least your fans [TS]

01:29:31   are waiting for with bated breath [TS]

01:29:34   it's if there's something thrilling and [TS]

01:29:37   life-affirming about having challenges [TS]

01:29:40   problems or however you want to phrase [TS]

01:29:44   it to to have problems that you can [TS]

01:29:46   understand and results that can matter i [TS]

01:29:49   think what drives us crazy is to feel [TS]

01:29:50   like we don't have power over the kind [TS]

01:29:52   of work that we're doing and feel like [TS]

01:29:54   even if it went flawlessly it still [TS]

01:29:56   wouldn't matter and like as much as it [TS]

01:29:58   seemed like maybe seems silly to be like [TS]

01:29:59   a guy who writes lyrics rock songs but [TS]

01:30:01   it's a problem you really can't [TS]

01:30:02   understand it's a result that really can [TS]

01:30:03   matter and it really is just up to you [TS]

01:30:05   to do it which is a very very different [TS]

01:30:07   kettle of fish than what you've had [TS]

01:30:09   since april or whatever [TS]

01:30:10   yeah well and and in particular like not [TS]

01:30:13   taking for granted the fact that there [TS]

01:30:16   are people who genuinely want the [TS]

01:30:23   genuinely want what I what I'm trying to [TS]

01:30:26   make [TS]

01:30:27   and they're not yeah I don't have to [TS]

01:30:30   convince them they are there waiting [TS]

01:30:33   already for this thing and it is hard to [TS]

01:30:36   do but that difficulty that the pain [TS]

01:30:42   that the payoff is not it's no small [TS]

01:30:46   thing to to finish a record and know [TS]

01:30:48   that Matt Howie wants to hear it and [TS]

01:30:51   he's not just he's not pretending that [TS]

01:30:54   he wants to hear it [TS]

01:30:55   uh-huh he you know he's he's been [TS]

01:30:58   waiting for a long time and a lot of [TS]

01:30:59   people have but you know that record [TS]

01:31:03   still has to be good [TS]

01:31:04   I'm not just gonna make some shitty [TS]

01:31:06   record just to make those dorks happy [TS]

01:31:08   yeah you're above that right uh-huh no [TS]

01:31:11   it's the smart way to look at that [TS]

01:31:14   fucking you gots listen [TS]

01:31:16   yeah wait a little longer i'll have that [TS]

01:31:19   feel that feel it takes a long time I [TS]

01:31:22   gotta think about it get two weeks ago I [TS]

01:31:27   1c [TS]