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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 173: "My Afflicted Eyes"

 

00:00:00   this episode of rock on the line is [TS]

00:00:01   sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04   month they invited Mike Lawrence of pot [TS]

00:00:06   to help me say hi John [TS]

00:00:08   [Music] [TS]

00:00:21   hello [TS]

00:00:28   I John come hi Merlin that how are you [TS]

00:00:32   haha hey it's a little early [TS]

00:00:35   whoo-hoo-hoo it is it's it's it's very [TS]

00:00:39   early [TS]

00:00:40   that's good you you know maybe people [TS]

00:00:43   get a different side of us when it's [TS]

00:00:44   early i think that's true i think they [TS]

00:00:47   get a side of us that isn't a quite [TS]

00:00:49   awake yet be has not had a complete [TS]

00:00:51   breakfast [TS]

00:00:53   oh where has my daughter would say a [TS]

00:00:55   complete a complete breakfast I a [TS]

00:01:00   breakfast yeah and she says breakfast so [TS]

00:01:03   much that we all now say breakfast [TS]

00:01:06   that's pretty good so when I say [TS]

00:01:08   breakfast it doesn't sound right anymore [TS]

00:01:09   breakfast [TS]

00:01:10   oh well she like eating morning well [TS]

00:01:13   I'll tell you what she doesn't like to [TS]

00:01:14   eat a hard-boiled egg and some cheese [TS]

00:01:17   and some cold cuts kind of the ideal [TS]

00:01:19   will be lost and at a German [TS]

00:01:22   bed-and-breakfast that's exactly what i [TS]

00:01:23   try to duplicate for her [TS]

00:01:25   listen you're spending the night in [TS]

00:01:26   Germany just imagine every morning we [TS]

00:01:28   wake up in Germany and here's breakfast [TS]

00:01:31   a hard-boiled egg one piece of black [TS]

00:01:33   bread [TS]

00:01:34   you don't know what made it black you [TS]

00:01:36   don't ask some cold cuts that have some [TS]

00:01:39   pistachios and then my kids but it looks [TS]

00:01:44   like Bologna but then it's got [TS]

00:01:46   pistachios in it in it and other things [TS]

00:01:50   probably always loaf except nuts [TS]

00:01:52   yeah I'll blow up with pistachios and [TS]

00:01:55   then some other cold cuts you know what [TS]

00:01:57   I was a little kid not like that [TS]

00:01:59   I you know I I can't imagine what if you [TS]

00:02:03   go to France and you order off the kids [TS]

00:02:06   menu here's the kids kids menu in France [TS]

00:02:08   steak frites the end and that's a [TS]

00:02:12   probably a sirloin with that french [TS]

00:02:14   fries [TS]

00:02:15   that's right and so in France what is [TS]

00:02:18   considered to be a child's meal is some [TS]

00:02:21   sort of loin and french fries and the [TS]

00:02:24   little French kids don't know any [TS]

00:02:26   different and so that's what they get in [TS]

00:02:29   restaurants they don't no one gives them [TS]

00:02:31   buttered spaghetti nobody gives them [TS]

00:02:33   chicken grilled cheese sandwich chicken [TS]

00:02:35   fingers fish sticks tater tots they [TS]

00:02:38   don't get any of that they get steak [TS]

00:02:39   frites and son what can you say I mean [TS]

00:02:44   if you're a kid in Germany will he get [TS]

00:02:47   some detrimental own you're lucky you [TS]

00:02:50   didn't get a beating [TS]

00:02:51   that's right that's your back yet you [TS]

00:02:53   get some kind of blood sausage and you [TS]

00:02:56   get a stove and unsalted egg and a stern [TS]

00:02:59   lecture slap that's what I got every [TS]

00:03:02   morning in Germany every time I've ever [TS]

00:03:04   been layered here's what intrigues me [TS]

00:03:05   about this i mean for myself I i feel [TS]

00:03:09   like i can blame blame myself i guess i [TS]

00:03:12   could in a larger sense playing the [TS]

00:03:13   household for causing option paralysis [TS]

00:03:17   like do you want to have a good meal or [TS]

00:03:19   dizzy real or you didn't even have that [TS]

00:03:22   I know when people do that to me I get [TS]

00:03:24   overwhelmed and I'm 97 so i'm guessing [TS]

00:03:26   that has not been the case i mentioned [TS]

00:03:28   you've offered the German breakfast / [TS]

00:03:29   over many years it seems like that would [TS]

00:03:31   it would have sunk in [TS]

00:03:32   what do you think is causing the [TS]

00:03:33   pushback is she developing a personality [TS]

00:03:35   and preferences what's happening uh it's [TS]

00:03:38   very you know she was very clear [TS]

00:03:40   preferences and and if i gave her any [TS]

00:03:43   option at all i would still be there i'd [TS]

00:03:47   still be sitting at the kitchen table [TS]

00:03:48   talking about all the different things [TS]

00:03:50   that could be and what I have to do is [TS]

00:03:53   you know make sure there's some yogurt [TS]

00:03:55   component right because it is a German [TS]

00:03:57   breakfast we do get the option of yogurt [TS]

00:03:59   but if there's yogurt involved chili the [TS]

00:04:02   yogurt and then she never saw the egg [TS]

00:04:06   yeah so I have to sit there and you know [TS]

00:04:08   that she does the thing where she's like [TS]

00:04:10   I only like the white part of the egg [TS]

00:04:11   yeah that's pretty normal I like the [TS]

00:04:14   yellow party gets totally normal but you [TS]

00:04:16   know but but dad has to intervene and [TS]

00:04:19   say you know the best part of the egg is [TS]

00:04:21   the part in between the white part and [TS]

00:04:23   the yellow part eventually get the ninja [TS]

00:04:25   level we say there isn't different parts [TS]

00:04:26   of the egg there's egg the right what I [TS]

00:04:29   mean I don't see any difference between [TS]

00:04:31   the and she's like look this is yellow [TS]

00:04:33   this is what no i don't see that you [TS]

00:04:36   know a little bit of fucking with her [TS]

00:04:37   head [TS]

00:04:38   yeah what do what do kids in Thailand [TS]

00:04:40   have for breakfast this is I've never [TS]

00:04:41   been to Thailand I don't know I [TS]

00:04:43   seriously do not know the answer [TS]

00:04:45   i'm gonna guess [TS]

00:04:47   probably like a rice or a soup it seems [TS]

00:04:50   like a lot of Asia there's a lot of rice [TS]

00:04:52   and soup and this is a very broad guess [TS]

00:04:54   I i bet see massey part of my sense is [TS]

00:04:57   that all kinds of I once the asian food [TS]

00:05:01   but I was the asian american food asian [TS]

00:05:03   american food in general feels like you [TS]

00:05:06   take the most outlandish celebration [TS]

00:05:08   food anyone that has once every 15 years [TS]

00:05:11   and then make it even more celebratory [TS]

00:05:14   and you call in chinese food like like [TS]

00:05:17   the idea of like Chad like two pounds of [TS]

00:05:18   chow mein with with like half a cup of [TS]

00:05:21   oil in it [TS]

00:05:22   I don't think that's the kind of thing [TS]

00:05:23   that people eat everyday in China and [TS]

00:05:26   you didn't retire food for typhoon who's [TS]

00:05:28   gonna go to all that trouble who's gonna [TS]

00:05:29   who's gonna have those beautiful little [TS]

00:05:31   mushrooms in with the doc I mean the [TS]

00:05:33   organ talk like that who's gonna make [TS]

00:05:34   that everyday that's like that i think [TS]

00:05:36   with banquet wedding food i'm guessing [TS]

00:05:38   about my girlfriend at the time in the [TS]

00:05:40   nineties went to China at one point [TS]

00:05:43   because she had decided and true sort of [TS]

00:05:47   punk rock form that she was going to [TS]

00:05:51   major in Chinese at the University and [TS]

00:05:55   whenever she was quiz by a curious [TS]

00:05:58   person you know like oh I do you intend [TS]

00:06:00   to like most people would say oh that's [TS]

00:06:03   very exciting like China is booming and [TS]

00:06:05   if you have knowledge of Chinese like [TS]

00:06:07   you'll be invaluable to companies and [TS]

00:06:09   and she was just like shake her head [TS]

00:06:11   Riley at them because she wasn't taking [TS]

00:06:15   chinese for any reason that is very punk [TS]

00:06:19   rock common other than that it was hard [TS]

00:06:21   and obscure so she stopped she likely [TS]

00:06:26   black flag that's right exactly she [TS]

00:06:28   threw herself into a study of chinese [TS]

00:06:30   and like reveled in the difficulty and [TS]

00:06:33   then like really it stuck to her guns [TS]

00:06:37   that she was never going to use it it [TS]

00:06:40   was never going to have an application [TS]

00:06:41   she's like Superman she only use it for [TS]

00:06:43   good [TS]

00:06:44   that's right well and i'm not even sure [TS]

00:06:46   she's ever use it for good but it for [TS]

00:06:47   her one point at one point I you know I [TS]

00:06:50   think she's now she said some like [TS]

00:06:52   eavesdropping on people she doesn't even [TS]

00:06:53   help them if they're still there to [TS]

00:06:55   chinese people standing with the map of [TS]

00:06:57   Los Angeles and they're standing on a [TS]

00:06:59   street corner looking around [TS]

00:07:00   she will you know just walk right past [TS]

00:07:02   without respect much like a Chinese [TS]

00:07:03   person but and blood much like Black [TS]

00:07:07   Flag what do I find I can help you with [TS]

00:07:09   your map they gotta get in the van get [TS]

00:07:11   in the van [TS]

00:07:11   fuck you they're not what you're looking [TS]

00:07:13   at me wrong doesn't doesn't piss on you [TS]

00:07:15   and that's not even you know Greg in is [TS]

00:07:18   the thing [TS]

00:07:19   don't ask for a check it's not coming [TS]

00:07:20   but I but at one point she went to China [TS]

00:07:24   and was there for six months and I and I [TS]

00:07:27   have a lot of regrets about this because [TS]

00:07:28   she would write me all the time this is [TS]

00:07:29   back when people still wrote one another [TS]

00:07:31   should say come to china i am in China [TS]

00:07:34   you are my boyfriend come to China [TS]

00:07:37   this is your big chance and at the time [TS]

00:07:40   I was like a china you know seems like a [TS]

00:07:45   lot of work [TS]

00:07:46   it's a lot of work it's not it's not [TS]

00:07:48   really all you have to do is just go to [TS]

00:07:50   China but it seems like a lot of work at [TS]

00:07:52   the time we get our so easy i have been [TS]

00:07:55   to Belgium like do I really have to go [TS]

00:07:57   to China keeping like hungry like you [TS]

00:07:59   can't read the signs in china so a lot [TS]

00:08:01   of work and this was prettyyou know this [TS]

00:08:03   was back when Shanghai was still like [TS]

00:08:06   all the all the buildings in Shanghai [TS]

00:08:07   were five stories tall like it if you [TS]

00:08:10   take a picture of China from this time [TS]

00:08:12   when I was when I could have gone and [TS]

00:08:14   you compare it to compare a picture of [TS]

00:08:16   shanghai from then and now they didn't [TS]

00:08:20   even resemble each other [TS]

00:08:21   shanghai now it's like they took what [TS]

00:08:23   was shanghaied and then they put dubai [TS]

00:08:24   on top of it but at the time I could [TS]

00:08:28   have gone and water around the back [TS]

00:08:30   streets of old Shanghai and you know and [TS]

00:08:32   those would be memories i would be [TS]

00:08:33   cherishing now instead of this memory [TS]

00:08:35   which is a memory of my girlfriend at [TS]

00:08:39   the time being mad at me for not going [TS]

00:08:42   to china but she said that everywhere [TS]

00:08:44   she went so she was a vegetarian in [TS]

00:08:46   China to this is the other that's the [TS]

00:08:47   great part is if you're going to be punk [TS]

00:08:49   rock and you're going to study Chinese [TS]

00:08:50   for no reason [TS]

00:08:52   also when you go to China make sure that [TS]

00:08:54   you are vegetarian it's something she [TS]

00:08:56   smoked and also chain-smoked yeah okay I [TS]

00:09:00   are getting a picture like this is a [TS]

00:09:03   issue with combat boots she didn't but [TS]

00:09:06   she did wear bright red lipstick and dye [TS]

00:09:08   her hair black [TS]

00:09:10   anyway so she's in China black hair [TS]

00:09:13   bright red lipstick i think the bright [TS]

00:09:15   red lipstick went away pretty fast in [TS]

00:09:17   China but the black dyed hair you know [TS]

00:09:20   you're stuck with it but she said [TS]

00:09:22   everywhere she went [TS]

00:09:23   they would you know they would invite [TS]

00:09:25   her to dinner the local people some [TS]

00:09:27   somebody would say come to dinner at my [TS]

00:09:29   apartment and they would lay out all [TS]

00:09:31   these meats and she would say and she [TS]

00:09:36   would you know kind of a you know i can [TS]

00:09:38   t mean I'm you know vegetarian [TS]

00:09:41   do you have any rice and vegetables [TS]

00:09:44   that's what I really am excited about [TS]

00:09:45   what I imagine is sort of the vegetarian [TS]

00:09:48   chinese meal which is some vegetables on [TS]

00:09:50   rice and those same she got the same [TS]

00:09:53   response everywhere which is like you're [TS]

00:09:54   a special guest we we aren't going to [TS]

00:09:57   give you our normal food right are the [TS]

00:10:00   other food that we actually eat we have [TS]

00:10:02   like we've put on a spread here and and [TS]

00:10:05   basically given her what you're saying [TS]

00:10:06   american chinese food which is a huge [TS]

00:10:08   platter of of meat meat pieces and she [TS]

00:10:13   was like I just want to eat like a [TS]

00:10:14   normal person don't you see that I'm [TS]

00:10:15   punk rock i just want to be a regular [TS]

00:10:17   normal person [TS]

00:10:20   normal vegetarian in China and they were [TS]

00:10:23   like a there is no such thing and be no [TS]

00:10:27   you're a special guest here right we we [TS]

00:10:30   went out and we we killed two ducks for [TS]

00:10:32   you [TS]

00:10:32   so she is not a vegetarian anymore i [TS]

00:10:38   really don't know how to end this story [TS]

00:10:40   no you don't need to i got less that [TS]

00:10:41   jump in on here first of all I want to [TS]

00:10:44   just point out that I just I few minutes [TS]

00:10:46   ago did something that I hate which is [TS]

00:10:48   talking about an incredibly large group [TS]

00:10:51   of people don't talk about racism just [TS]

00:10:52   talk about being a dumbass like I'm here [TS]

00:10:54   it's my reckon about how half of the the [TS]

00:10:58   of earth eats right yeah you really want [TS]

00:11:02   one and a half billion people anybody [TS]

00:11:04   ever said that about America let alone [TS]

00:11:06   about Seattle like you can't draw those [TS]

00:11:08   kinds of broad conclusions [TS]

00:11:10   here's how Americans are you ready ready [TS]

00:11:11   yeah waffles [TS]

00:11:13   mhm and a spaghetti noodles and we'll [TS]

00:11:18   instant coffee all Americans eat that [TS]

00:11:22   everyday and i think also [TS]

00:11:23   you're kind of famous for drinking lots [TS]

00:11:25   of soft drinks I've been thinking about [TS]

00:11:28   this a lot when we were kids did we not [TS]

00:11:30   drink a lot of soft drinks i drank tons [TS]

00:11:32   of softwares you probably saw something [TS]

00:11:33   i did probably in the new york times [TS]

00:11:35   about the incredible precipitous drop in [TS]

00:11:39   the amount of soft drinks that young [TS]

00:11:42   people are drinking i did read that [TS]

00:11:44   article and I thought about the [TS]

00:11:45   innumerable six-packs of dr.pepper that [TS]

00:11:48   I consumed growing up it was just I mean [TS]

00:11:51   you know what your lies and soft drinks [TS]

00:11:53   were the smoking of childhood when I was [TS]

00:11:56   a kid you know if you're if you were a a [TS]

00:11:58   an adult and you're anywhere where there [TS]

00:12:01   hopefully was not too many combustible [TS]

00:12:03   things you were smoking inside outside [TS]

00:12:05   bed church whatever you're just always [TS]

00:12:07   smoking and it's kinda like that with [TS]

00:12:09   softness you show up somewhere and you [TS]

00:12:10   see hey you want a coke give somebody a [TS]

00:12:12   coke [TS]

00:12:13   yeah right or you you're at school [TS]

00:12:16   there's a there's a Coke machine in the [TS]

00:12:17   hall you'd stop on your way between [TS]

00:12:19   classes and get a coke [TS]

00:12:21   that was a weird thing because I mean I [TS]

00:12:22   remember coming up especially in ohio [TS]

00:12:24   where it was [TS]

00:12:26   I can't even begin to tell you I mean [TS]

00:12:27   now it's been 40 years so it's not [TS]

00:12:29   surprising that there's been changes but [TS]

00:12:31   you know for example i can not only [TS]

00:12:32   could you not wear shorts but you were [TS]

00:12:35   discouraged from wearing jeans like [TS]

00:12:37   we're expected to wear like pants to [TS]

00:12:38   school [TS]

00:12:39   what's real you to our genes you could [TS]

00:12:42   but you know that's cool you should wear [TS]

00:12:45   trousers you were definitely never in a [TS]

00:12:47   million years allowed to chew gum there [TS]

00:12:50   was there was stuff you had to do [TS]

00:12:52   fifth-grade you're gonna learn to play [TS]

00:12:53   the recorder how about that its fifth [TS]

00:12:54   grade gonna order a far from there's [TS]

00:13:00   something so i got my dad wants this [TS]

00:13:02   surely must still be teaching the [TS]

00:13:04   recorder Oh music is Who music is like [TS]

00:13:07   half of a room over here like it's not a [TS]

00:13:09   thing anymore but I'm but was appointed [TS]

00:13:12   all this you know certainly all of that [TS]

00:13:14   has changed but then and and my god the [TS]

00:13:16   idea of having like you have cookies and [TS]

00:13:18   shit like nobody cares like but it's [TS]

00:13:20   weird how all that has changed where you [TS]

00:13:21   would never have soft drinks at school [TS]

00:13:23   and then fast-forward to florida in the [TS]

00:13:26   mid-eighties and that's when we first [TS]

00:13:28   got we had a Coke machine at our school [TS]

00:13:32   and i'm given to believe that that was [TS]

00:13:34   partly revenue-based I think you know [TS]

00:13:36   the rev share on stuff like that yeah [TS]

00:13:38   they're trying to make up for the fact [TS]

00:13:39   that the the tax base no longer [TS]

00:13:41   supported that was that was beginning [TS]

00:13:43   then and now today [TS]

00:13:45   flash forward to where we are now and [TS]

00:13:47   least here in San Francisco means all [TS]

00:13:49   kinds of stuff about this place that's I [TS]

00:13:51   mean could you ever imagine that there [TS]

00:13:53   would be an LGBTQ community dinner for [TS]

00:13:56   the school district where their children [TS]

00:13:58   teachers and parents LGBTQ parents would [TS]

00:14:01   come together at a picnic could you [TS]

00:14:02   imagine that in the nineteen eighties [TS]

00:14:04   for the seventies or the nineties where [TS]

00:14:07   the two thousand i love you i love that [TS]

00:14:10   exists it makes me happy to see that in [TS]

00:14:11   the newsletter but now today like you [TS]

00:14:14   are just it's so weird and so oddly [TS]

00:14:16   applied you're not supposed to bring [TS]

00:14:17   sugar to school at all it's it's not [TS]

00:14:20   quite like smoking but you're not you're [TS]

00:14:23   not supposed to bring sugary stuff you [TS]

00:14:24   know that they're very clearly say the [TS]

00:14:26   beginning of the year you know hey if we [TS]

00:14:27   want to celebrate a birthday here's how [TS]

00:14:28   well do it [TS]

00:14:29   please don't bring gift bags pretty [TS]

00:14:30   please don't bring sugar part of its a [TS]

00:14:32   scalability issue but I think a lot of [TS]

00:14:34   its a consistency issue and it's [TS]

00:14:35   definitely a health issue they just [TS]

00:14:37   don't want it to be that like we were I [TS]

00:14:39   mean there was just sugar everywhere [TS]

00:14:40   when we were kids [TS]

00:14:41   everybody was always eating sugar all [TS]

00:14:42   the time the street though the road to [TS]

00:14:44   school was paper sugar it was or you [TS]

00:14:46   could just go to the convenience store [TS]

00:14:47   and I think you know pound-for-pound [TS]

00:14:48   stuff was cheaper back then you could in [TS]

00:14:51   your sub dollar price range get a shit [TS]

00:14:54   ton of candy know yet but well you know [TS]

00:14:57   and that was my sister and I had a very [TS]

00:14:59   very different relationship to money [TS]

00:15:01   right if if we were each of us were [TS]

00:15:03   given 50 cents she would immediately go [TS]

00:15:06   and buy fifty cents worth the smarties [TS]

00:15:09   which would fill the trunk of a car and [TS]

00:15:12   i would put the fifty cents in a shoebox [TS]

00:15:15   oh yes your collector that's right and [TS]

00:15:18   so then we would get another fifty cents [TS]

00:15:20   and she would get fifty cents with the [TS]

00:15:21   smarties and I were in our fifty cents [TS]

00:15:23   worth of wax lips or those little-little [TS]

00:15:26   whatever bye wax lips they're so dumb [TS]

00:15:31   remember those little wax coax book coke [TS]

00:15:32   bottles that had tiny little sugar fluid [TS]

00:15:35   is the worst of both worlds it's bad wax [TS]

00:15:38   bad coke [TS]

00:15:39   except except that you you know you to [TS]

00:15:41   the way I top off and then you get a [TS]

00:15:43   little bit of coke it was before that [TS]

00:15:44   was before that bubblegum that had [TS]

00:15:46   squirty liquid inside [TS]

00:15:48   oh yeah it was fresh plaster or whatever [TS]

00:15:51   they call ya their fruit fruit fruit [TS]

00:15:52   fruit fruit years it was the only thing [TS]

00:15:57   where it's only thing you could you [TS]

00:15:58   could bite into the got that same [TS]

00:15:59   technology that God squirting squirting [TS]

00:16:03   sugar liquid in your mouth which is a [TS]

00:16:05   great feeling [TS]

00:16:06   mhm but yeah so then at the end of you [TS]

00:16:09   know our childhoods she had only the [TS]

00:16:14   experience of eating as much candy as [TS]

00:16:17   she could get her hands on and I had the [TS]

00:16:19   experience of having a shoebox full of [TS]

00:16:21   nickels dimes and quarters nice and [TS]

00:16:24   which one who you know who else is [TS]

00:16:26   living a fuller life [TS]

00:16:30   oh my goodness I couldn't begin to guess [TS]

00:16:32   I'd have to ask your mom I don't know I [TS]

00:16:35   don't know my mom is a good gauge of [TS]

00:16:37   which one of us my sister and i are [TS]

00:16:39   living a fuller life to say getting [TS]

00:16:40   emails from your mom is a delight of my [TS]

00:16:42   life [TS]

00:16:43   he's such a thorough person I loved her [TS]

00:16:46   thoroughness she's very thorough and you [TS]

00:16:48   know she wakes up in the middle of the [TS]

00:16:49   night sometimes and sends emails and of [TS]

00:16:54   course i'm often up in the middle of the [TS]

00:16:55   night so one of the great surprises is [TS]

00:16:58   to get an email from her in the middle [TS]

00:16:59   of the night where she's decided that [TS]

00:17:02   she wants she has she has some [TS]

00:17:04   information on The Hermitage in st. [TS]

00:17:08   Petersburg and she wants more [TS]

00:17:10   information so she's done some research [TS]

00:17:12   and this is what she's discovered but [TS]

00:17:16   it's raised some questions and she's not [TS]

00:17:19   sure she's research those questions as [TS]

00:17:22   best she can [TS]

00:17:23   so she puts all that information in [TS]

00:17:25   email and then she has some questions [TS]

00:17:26   for me maybe I can help her fill in the [TS]

00:17:29   gaps [TS]

00:17:30   wow nice and sometimes it's a little bit [TS]

00:17:32   overflow you're still having the [TS]

00:17:33   previous day and she's got you got a [TS]

00:17:35   late start on the previous day she's got [TS]

00:17:37   an early start on the next day as a nice [TS]

00:17:39   sweet little Venn diagram around four in [TS]

00:17:40   the morning [TS]

00:17:41   yeah right exactly where she's like what [TS]

00:17:43   is so explain to me how the nations of [TS]

00:17:47   Central America all ended up with their [TS]

00:17:50   current borders and I'm like whoa uh [TS]

00:17:54   okay well let me mix like me some coffee [TS]

00:17:57   little uh you know and the thing is [TS]

00:17:59   she's not expecting a response right [TS]

00:18:01   away she's thinking that that's going to [TS]

00:18:03   greet me in my inbox when I wake up in [TS]

00:18:06   the morning and she's forgetting a then [TS]

00:18:08   I don't wake up in the museum in the [TS]

00:18:09   coolest look more unless I'm under [TS]

00:18:11   duress and be that yeah I'm gonna get [TS]

00:18:13   this i'm gonna reply to it and then so [TS]

00:18:15   we have these email conversations in the [TS]

00:18:18   absolute middle of the night about these [TS]

00:18:21   you know these questions or you know or [TS]

00:18:23   what this is the other great thing that [TS]

00:18:25   she does she makes a decision she makes [TS]

00:18:28   a decision which is sometimes um [TS]

00:18:33   normal sounding decision like I'm going [TS]

00:18:37   to sell my car and buy a some kind of [TS]

00:18:43   natural gas car and so I'm getting my [TS]

00:18:46   car ready to sell in order to buy a [TS]

00:18:50   natural gas-powered car and I need you [TS]

00:18:53   to you know to detail the hubcaps for me [TS]

00:18:57   or something like that sounds normal [TS]

00:19:00   it's not it's motivated by some crazy [TS]

00:19:02   like four in the morning like I'm gonna [TS]

00:19:04   sell my car and buy a car was it seems a [TS]

00:19:07   sensible because she's talking about [TS]

00:19:08   understandable logistics but you never [TS]

00:19:12   got the chance to talk about you know [TS]

00:19:13   the fact that she just decided to sell [TS]

00:19:14   her car in the middle of the night [TS]

00:19:16   Yeah right right so but it but it would [TS]

00:19:19   read as a normal email and then there [TS]

00:19:20   are others where she wakes up the middle [TS]

00:19:22   of the night and she's just like i have [TS]

00:19:24   decided never to go into a building made [TS]

00:19:25   of brick again because of outgassing and [TS]

00:19:33   here's why [TS]

00:19:34   then she will explain that but you know [TS]

00:19:37   that there there's something about [TS]

00:19:38   there's something about brick that is a [TS]

00:19:42   you know that's either offensive or [TS]

00:19:45   untenable or she doesn't support it [TS]

00:19:48   she no longer supports brick because big [TS]

00:19:51   brick is running the world and uh and [TS]

00:19:54   you know retro actively she's gonna go [TS]

00:19:57   back and erase all the brick building [TS]

00:19:58   she's ever been in and you know and she [TS]

00:20:02   doesn't expect my support in this she [TS]

00:20:03   just expects adjusted this is an [TS]

00:20:05   informational email she's coming out [TS]

00:20:07   yeah where I'm just coming out as being [TS]

00:20:09   against big brick [TS]

00:20:11   yeah I'm not expected to say yes or no I [TS]

00:20:13   just this is a courtesy email sometimes [TS]

00:20:16   those are very long and then I Tennessee [TS]

00:20:20   you know so i read that the elemental [TS]

00:20:21   sent me another email like I hope you [TS]

00:20:23   read my last email and I and in general [TS]

00:20:28   fruit most of those I just I just let [TS]

00:20:32   them go without comment and and mother [TS]

00:20:36   for the most part they solve themselves [TS]

00:20:37   nothing you need to do about it [TS]

00:20:39   just then right because you know i mean [TS]

00:20:42   i can't speak in this case for your mom [TS]

00:20:43   but in some cases when somebody's having [TS]

00:20:44   i don't know i don't confuse state but [TS]

00:20:47   when they're having some kind of a an [TS]

00:20:49   incident [TS]

00:20:50   sometimes you know you you may not even [TS]

00:20:52   want to initially be super supportive [TS]

00:20:53   you want to write it out its like the [TS]

00:20:55   person who suddenly decides they're [TS]

00:20:57   breaking up with their spouse like the [TS]

00:20:58   last thing you want to do is go good [TS]

00:21:00   never liked right right never never do [TS]

00:21:03   that [TS]

00:21:03   yeah we're trying are trying to [TS]

00:21:05   intervene in any way you just want to [TS]

00:21:06   just do you don't even not you just move [TS]

00:21:09   your head slightly in a circle kind of [TS]

00:21:12   like a book Bulgarian person says yes [TS]

00:21:15   you just sort of move your head around [TS]

00:21:17   this is where I wish we could just do [TS]

00:21:19   certain like sort of some kind of what i [TS]

00:21:22   call control words that I wish we could [TS]

00:21:24   use with people where sometimes I really [TS]

00:21:26   wish [TS]

00:21:27   ack were a standardized response to [TS]

00:21:30   things [TS]

00:21:31   your turn but bill the cats signature [TS]

00:21:33   line act no its act without an ! [TS]

00:21:36   somebody says a temp job I i want to [TS]

00:21:41   know your thoughts about how chemtrails [TS]

00:21:44   are affecting our ability to overturn [TS]

00:21:49   gun laws and my response that would be [TS]

00:21:51   act which i think in in the world of of [TS]

00:21:54   radio communications it's just to say [TS]

00:21:56   that i received your message [TS]

00:21:58   mhm that's really all i have to say i [TS]

00:21:59   have absolutely nothing to say i just [TS]

00:22:02   wanna let you know that it got through [TS]

00:22:03   mms not even necessarily is implied [TS]

00:22:05   thank you i'm doing really thank you i'm [TS]

00:22:07   just saying your message arrived and it [TS]

00:22:09   has i processed [TS]

00:22:10   yeah I somebody lectured me on the last [TS]

00:22:13   Joe Cruz somebody pulled up a chair and [TS]

00:22:15   was like I just wanted to say that I'm [TS]

00:22:17   very concerned about blank [TS]

00:22:19   and it was it was in it it was an [TS]

00:22:21   attempt on their part to to make the [TS]

00:22:24   story about them and get some attention [TS]

00:22:26   and at the end of their you know little [TS]

00:22:28   sort of mini lecture I leaned forward [TS]

00:22:30   and I said thank you for your message [TS]

00:22:32   and it was and that's a really good [TS]

00:22:36   response [TS]

00:22:37   it was really wonderful they were very [TS]

00:22:40   confused and and you know and ask a [TS]

00:22:43   couple of follow-up questions and i [TS]

00:22:46   think i said i just am glad that you [TS]

00:22:48   feel safe enough to send me to give me [TS]

00:22:51   this message [TS]

00:22:52   i watch some people and their [TS]

00:22:53   interactions with people other people [TS]

00:22:55   and some people just seem to have I [TS]

00:22:58   don't know it's some kind of almost [TS]

00:23:00   magical ability to not get into a [TS]

00:23:03   thistle with people when you know [TS]

00:23:05   sometimes people were you know I I have [TS]

00:23:07   friends that even when they agree with [TS]

00:23:08   you sound like they're arguing with you [TS]

00:23:09   there's other kinds of people that sound [TS]

00:23:11   really tuned out like they didn't [TS]

00:23:12   actually hear it but people LLC in some [TS]

00:23:14   cases politicians who are really good at [TS]

00:23:16   having an interaction with somebody that [TS]

00:23:18   combines that Obama likely a Clinton [TS]

00:23:20   like ability to have empathy and Obama [TS]

00:23:23   like ability to say like you know I i [TS]

00:23:26   understand you know I i I'm gratified by [TS]

00:23:28   the intelligence of your thought [TS]

00:23:30   combined with the John Hodgman thing of [TS]

00:23:31   like we're pretty much done here you [TS]

00:23:35   know but they could put all those [TS]

00:23:37   together and you've got the super person [TS]

00:23:39   of communication where you're ready to [TS]

00:23:41   accept and be this is kind of also where [TS]

00:23:43   I could wish i could say God bless you [TS]

00:23:44   and you better not at all the great [TS]

00:23:46   because it isn't a great response [TS]

00:23:48   god bless you bless you like somebody [TS]

00:23:50   pulls up a chair that concerns you say [TS]

00:23:53   yeah [TS]

00:23:53   god bless you god bless you god bless [TS]

00:23:55   you for bless you for saying it's got [TS]

00:23:58   but you just got bless you [TS]

00:23:59   yeah I don't have the ability to to do [TS]

00:24:04   that either i'm i'm getting in I'm [TS]

00:24:06   allowing myself to get involved in fewer [TS]

00:24:08   practices track-by-track I am um and [TS]

00:24:14   part of that is is yeah learning that [TS]

00:24:16   kind of ninja like that you know [TS]

00:24:18   thank you thank you for trusting me with [TS]

00:24:21   your comments like that's kind of what [TS]

00:24:25   you're saying thank you for trusting me [TS]

00:24:26   with your trusting me that i will value [TS]

00:24:30   your comments [TS]

00:24:32   and you know it's very much like ack [TS]

00:24:35   although you know I'm starting to think [TS]

00:24:37   about ack i think of act as a bill the [TS]

00:24:39   cat [TS]

00:24:40   yeah absolutely but that's a key ! but i [TS]

00:24:43   bet you there are a lot of our listeners [TS]

00:24:45   who immediately thought of Kathy of [TS]

00:24:49   course [TS]

00:24:50   so which act is the which act as the [TS]

00:24:52   canonical act i think we got a problem [TS]

00:24:54   here we got wet a lot and why they [TS]

00:24:55   called a term of art it's going to mean [TS]

00:24:57   very different things in very different [TS]

00:24:58   places [TS]

00:24:59   sure a kathy ack and build a cat attack [TS]

00:25:02   communicate entirely different [TS]

00:25:06   yeah one with Kathy that's what back [TS]

00:25:09   back because she's having some kind of [TS]

00:25:12   an existential moment [TS]

00:25:13   oh she's trying I'm just trying on [TS]

00:25:15   bathing suits yeah [TS]

00:25:16   Irving is not calling her no ack ack and [TS]

00:25:20   then with bill it's more like a crack [TS]

00:25:22   right ladies got a hairball up and i [TS]

00:25:27   doubt kathy had that many hairballs but [TS]

00:25:29   which one you know which one is closer [TS]

00:25:31   yours yours has no ! not quite a [TS]

00:25:33   hairball ack but but you're not worried [TS]

00:25:37   about Irving either i'm on the way I [TS]

00:25:39   think we might have talked about this [TS]

00:25:41   several years ago but i'm on the page [TS]

00:25:43   for voice procedure which as you know it [TS]

00:25:46   is a very interesting wikipedia page [TS]

00:25:47   here i want to talk about some fine [TS]

00:25:49   distinctions here in my sweat but I hate [TS]

00:25:52   to interrupt but I swear to God I [TS]

00:25:54   thought you were about to say i'm on the [TS]

00:25:56   page for Kathy I thought you were gonna [TS]

00:26:00   say that you were part of a newsgroup or [TS]

00:26:02   some kind of anything even got the [TS]

00:26:06   t-shirt [TS]

00:26:07   i'm on the rage like Addie it up [TS]

00:26:10   he's a mod for the really Kathy page ok [TS]

00:26:14   so anyway if you're the stage well let's [TS]

00:26:15   let's close the thread if you go to [TS]

00:26:16   Wikipedia disambiguation page for AXA [TS]

00:26:19   the last entry on the pages see also [TS]

00:26:20   Kathy really ok so let me I'm gonna go [TS]

00:26:25   through a few of these and I'm doing [TS]

00:26:27   what in academics is called [TS]

00:26:28   problematizing i'm gonna give you a few [TS]

00:26:29   different words that all mean things you [TS]

00:26:33   ready [TS]

00:26:33   ten-four means message received [TS]

00:26:37   I understand okay all right now we also [TS]

00:26:39   got affirmative which means yes right [TS]

00:26:43   you got that for example come in [TS]

00:26:46   which means you can start speaking now [TS]

00:26:47   you've got Roger which says i have [TS]

00:26:51   received all the last transmission and [TS]

00:26:54   then let's make the distinction that [TS]

00:26:55   people don't make wilco isn't it will i [TS]

00:26:58   owe their yes with an employee you don't [TS]

00:27:01   need to say Roger Wilco because Roger is [TS]

00:27:03   implied in a wilco so if you say wilco [TS]

00:27:06   it means I got your message and i will [TS]

00:27:08   comply with it so maybe again now maybe [TS]

00:27:10   I'm being a little bit fancy here but I [TS]

00:27:12   think there's a big difference between [TS]

00:27:13   10-4 affirmative cop come in in the case [TS]

00:27:18   is saying like I understand you keep [TS]

00:27:19   talking [TS]

00:27:20   wilco vs roger i think they're all [TS]

00:27:22   different things [TS]

00:27:23   these could be things we use in [TS]

00:27:24   day-to-day conversation that could [TS]

00:27:25   really help a lot if we all adapted the [TS]

00:27:27   subtleness of this [TS]

00:27:28   yeah the problem is that roger has [TS]

00:27:30   turned into yes i agree like high-five [TS]

00:27:35   and right and 10 for has turned into yes [TS]

00:27:38   i agree you know you if somebody says [TS]

00:27:41   something to you and you save tension or [TS]

00:27:43   everything you know everything will go [TS]

00:27:45   with applied Roger that's right [TS]

00:27:46   everything exactly right everything has [TS]

00:27:48   become a wilco except for one [TS]

00:27:52   well you know I had a friend used to say [TS]

00:27:54   copy copy means I heard what you just [TS]

00:27:58   said yeah I copy [TS]

00:28:00   that's very copy similar to 10 for it [TS]

00:28:02   sounds like it's similar to 10 4 or [TS]

00:28:05   similar to Roger and but copy retains i [TS]

00:28:09   think a little bit of it's a little bit [TS]

00:28:12   of the ambiguity of like I he I register [TS]

00:28:17   your transmission but i'm not you know [TS]

00:28:21   that but i but i bypass no judgment copy [TS]

00:28:25   boy here's one I love the definition of [TS]

00:28:27   this one I can give you that the term [TS]

00:28:29   you the definition to confirm that you [TS]

00:28:32   have received and understood the [TS]

00:28:33   contents of the transmission so far you [TS]

00:28:35   know you say Roger so far [TS]

00:28:38   Rogers so far how handy would that be on [TS]

00:28:40   the choco cruise i have never heard [TS]

00:28:42   Roger so far out in the wilderness no [TS]

00:28:45   one has ever done was supported there's [TS]

00:28:47   several of these involving if you're [TS]

00:28:48   actually if you really using this and [TS]

00:28:50   another there's a there's a reason they [TS]

00:28:52   use all these and they mean different [TS]

00:28:53   things and like what's the one in [TS]

00:28:57   artillery that you don't want to get [TS]

00:28:58   wrong as it go ahead [TS]

00:28:59   uh-huh it but I think in artillery if [TS]

00:29:03   you say go ahead and believe it's go [TS]

00:29:04   ahead if you say that over the radio [TS]

00:29:06   that means you are free to fire it will [TS]

00:29:09   at the last position that we fire [TS]

00:29:11   go ahead and go ahead yeah you want to [TS]

00:29:14   avoid that is it go ahead or is it again [TS]

00:29:16   come again or something like that anyway [TS]

00:29:18   we talked about pan-pan we talk about [TS]

00:29:20   that one before [TS]

00:29:22   ready to copy but the idea is if you're [TS]

00:29:23   sitting there and you're flying your [TS]

00:29:25   your your aircraft you know you don't [TS]

00:29:27   have a lot of free hands there's that [TS]

00:29:28   there is information that has to be [TS]

00:29:29   passed along you know you don't always [TS]

00:29:31   have the dr strangelove machine in the [TS]

00:29:32   file uh folders so sometimes you gotta [TS]

00:29:35   write stuff down I'm just saying Roger [TS]

00:29:37   so far I kind of like that [TS]

00:29:38   Roger so far right so far right there's [TS]

00:29:41   so much there so there's so much that we [TS]

00:29:43   could we could benefit I think from [TS]

00:29:47   returning to the age of military radio [TS]

00:29:51   my god on how Henry is how great is this [TS]

00:29:54   Roger far messages lasting over 20 [TS]

00:29:56   seconds are prefixed by the pro word [TS]

00:29:58   long message long message so you let [TS]

00:30:02   people now grab a chair [TS]

00:30:04   it's ready a long message and then you [TS]

00:30:06   say Roger so far that's right uh there's [TS]

00:30:08   more to this tweet 739 so so I yeah I [TS]

00:30:16   wonder you know tweets are very much in [TS]

00:30:20   this vein of of like Telegraph Telegraph [TS]

00:30:24   messages but there are no exclamation [TS]

00:30:28   points in military radio huh right you [TS]

00:30:34   never never again we're back to the [TS]

00:30:36   punctuation how do you say I mean how do [TS]

00:30:41   you say stat which is a which is [TS]

00:30:44   something you say in an emergency room [TS]

00:30:46   you don't say that on over the radio but [TS]

00:30:47   how do you say like this is urgent and [TS]

00:30:52   mash or possibly helping heroes you [TS]

00:30:55   would say it has on the double [TS]

00:30:57   on the double or she now if your dad who [TS]

00:31:01   served in World War two [TS]

00:31:03   Snell ever get our dad used to say that [TS]

00:31:05   sergeant schultz with dads who served in [TS]

00:31:10   the European theater might have said [TS]

00:31:12   Chanel [TS]

00:31:13   uh my dad was in the in the Pacific [TS]

00:31:16   Theater and so did not ever say Chanel [TS]

00:31:19   never seen my pile [TS]

00:31:20   shall I heard I heard those things ? [TS]

00:31:23   showers with these to yell at the [TS]

00:31:25   beatles haha i had you know I was [TS]

00:31:28   friends when I was a little kid not [TS]

00:31:30   little but like when I was in grade [TS]

00:31:32   school in Seattle I had two friends twin [TS]

00:31:35   boys Thomas and Peter and their father [TS]

00:31:38   had served in world war two with the [TS]

00:31:40   Germans and was a doctor and their house [TS]

00:31:47   was very very interesting [TS]

00:31:51   he was a he was a distant man with a [TS]

00:31:57   beard which was unusual at the time so [TS]

00:32:00   he brought home a little bit of Germany [TS]

00:32:01   back to the household [TS]

00:32:03   that's right and his and his wife was [TS]

00:32:05   germany with it was a very German family [TS]

00:32:07   and toms and Peter spoke fluent German [TS]

00:32:09   and English and would would go in and [TS]

00:32:12   out of German in English sort of [TS]

00:32:14   unconsciously was the first time i've [TS]

00:32:16   ever seen that they were both good [TS]

00:32:17   friends they had a marklin n scale train [TS]

00:32:23   set that that may be duplicated their [TS]

00:32:27   father's hometown it was the most [TS]

00:32:29   incredible thing you know I'd seen h/o [TS]

00:32:32   trains sounds like an amazing charlie [TS]

00:32:33   kaufman movie it was fantastic just [TS]

00:32:35   fantastic there there and they had a [TS]

00:32:37   very sort of n is n scale the kind of a [TS]

00:32:40   little one little one that fits inside [TS]

00:32:42   of a walnut [TS]

00:32:43   it's not as easy scale but it's a 10 [TS]

00:32:45   skills it's a little bit bigger than the [TS]

00:32:46   academia every kind of that there was [TS]

00:32:48   that i used to be i could name every [TS]

00:32:50   scale train that would fit inside and [TS]

00:32:52   get HL HL fancy I'm but they had one of [TS]

00:32:56   those houses sort of a Brady Bunch house [TS]

00:32:58   but it was perched on a hillside which [TS]

00:33:02   was covered with trees and mosses and [TS]

00:33:05   northwest Brady Bunch house and Peter [TS]

00:33:08   Thomas XD so they had one of those lives [TS]

00:33:11   with their father would give them old [TS]

00:33:12   radios at and all you know he would find [TS]

00:33:16   old electronic stuff and give it to them [TS]

00:33:18   and they had a soldering gun and they [TS]

00:33:20   would take apart electronic things and [TS]

00:33:23   rebuild them into other things [TS]

00:33:24   and as a kid you know as a as a 78 year [TS]

00:33:29   old kid they just seems like a miracle [TS]

00:33:32   workers they could speak multiple [TS]

00:33:34   languages they have these crazy little [TS]

00:33:36   trains they could rebuild radios and you [TS]

00:33:40   know I was I was the same age as them [TS]

00:33:43   and and smart like them but I was like [TS]

00:33:46   putting on my mother's lipstick and [TS]

00:33:49   sitting in the sandbox covering my head [TS]

00:33:53   with sand like I was completely i was [TS]

00:33:56   completely useless relative to them [TS]

00:33:58   right they could repair they could have [TS]

00:34:00   prepared a jeep and I but I looked like [TS]

00:34:05   a bipolar person having once throughout [TS]

00:34:09   my entire child had had no you had no [TS]

00:34:13   useful skills unless you were unless you [TS]

00:34:15   were doing like an all kid version of [TS]

00:34:17   rocky horror picture show and then I [TS]

00:34:19   could I could play any role Thomason [TS]

00:34:25   Peter and I looked them up later [TS]

00:34:27   I look I went found them again when we [TS]

00:34:30   were all kind of young adults and they [TS]

00:34:33   were like in a fraternity and they were [TS]

00:34:37   wearing tank tops it was so confusing [TS]

00:34:41   you know I really wanted to run really [TS]

00:34:43   wanted to find them and they were like [TS]

00:34:45   in a laboratory but they had they made [TS]

00:34:49   some they made a transition in a [TS]

00:34:51   different direction they were there were [TS]

00:34:53   in tank tops with where you were friends [TS]

00:35:00   with somebody that ended up in a tank [TS]

00:35:02   mom [TS]

00:35:02   mmm let me think [TS]

00:35:07   well i have to tell you uh I came up at [TS]

00:35:10   a time when it was much more acceptable [TS]

00:35:12   for everyone to wear a tanktop we did [TS]

00:35:15   not call them wife beaters they work [TS]

00:35:16   tank tops and really this is a not so [TS]

00:35:19   long before the era of the half shirt [TS]

00:35:21   but I war tank top my friend John war [TS]

00:35:23   tank top my we all wear tank tops what [TS]

00:35:25   you did in the late seventies the tank [TS]

00:35:27   top was a look i enjoyed tank tops I [TS]

00:35:31   really did until I became [TS]

00:35:35   until I became husky oh and a tank top [TS]

00:35:39   is not a good look on a husky kid can i [TS]

00:35:42   get like sort of a philip seymour [TS]

00:35:45   hoffman Boogie Nights kind of look [TS]

00:35:47   yeah thank you that's exactly right and [TS]

00:35:49   I did not want I didn't want that but up [TS]

00:35:53   until that port i was very protective pi [TS]

00:35:58   have some great i had great tank tops [TS]

00:36:01   and a yellow stripe tank top I had maybe [TS]

00:36:04   I had to take up with a baseball player [TS]

00:36:06   on it you know they were they were good [TS]

00:36:08   were good trips i had a generalized [TS]

00:36:11   problem with sleeveless shirts where I [TS]

00:36:15   could get away with the tank-tank what [TS]

00:36:16   tank tank tank top ten I was actually [TS]

00:36:18   technically what I was 10 or 11 but as [TS]

00:36:21   soon as I started to smell [TS]

00:36:24   I think I really benefited from shirts [TS]

00:36:26   they had more cloth you're saying when [TS]

00:36:29   you when you came into your agency my [TS]

00:36:32   special time and started to produce [TS]

00:36:34   pheromonal so yes you got but also i was [TS]

00:36:39   a sweater so it when I wore my Joey [TS]

00:36:42   Elliott my off-brand Joe Elliott def [TS]

00:36:45   leppard british flag shirt with no [TS]

00:36:47   sleeves i mean i would ruin that thing I [TS]

00:36:50   had some some big some big pit stains on [TS]

00:36:53   this [TS]

00:36:53   did you really wear a sleeveless british [TS]

00:36:56   flag t-shirt [TS]

00:36:57   yeah there's one kid in my school that [TS]

00:37:01   wore a sleeveless British like t-shirt [TS]

00:37:03   his name is Ernie Dumas key [TS]

00:37:05   ok and and I remember to this day i felt [TS]

00:37:10   like it was a bold choice he was that [TS]

00:37:13   part of a choice in 1983 well in Alaska [TS]

00:37:17   the sleeplessness was right away like [TS]

00:37:21   even the fact that i was war at that I [TS]

00:37:22   was wearing boat shoes with no socks [TS]

00:37:24   which is totally equivalent like a top [TS]

00:37:30   sider like a top sider like a [TS]

00:37:32   red-colored top-sider with no socks it's [TS]

00:37:36   20 degrees below zero outside and there [TS]

00:37:37   there's five feet of snow on the ground [TS]

00:37:39   but I'm wearing this like like Nantucket [TS]

00:37:43   style [TS]

00:37:44   because that's what you know that's what [TS]

00:37:48   I would that those were the poor choices [TS]

00:37:49   I was making Ernie was wearing a British [TS]

00:37:52   flag sleeveless t-shirt also a poor [TS]

00:37:54   choice also a little culturally [TS]

00:37:58   appropriate m.o.b point-to-point but [TS]

00:38:01   from my from my top siders with no socks [TS]

00:38:05   perspective it just felt like you know [TS]

00:38:09   what exactly are you [TS]

00:38:11   what exactly are you reppin Ernie he [TS]

00:38:14   could have easily turned the tables on [TS]

00:38:16   me and said what are you reppin both of [TS]

00:38:20   us should have been in Shirelles with [TS]

00:38:23   like you know with Parker's on but here [TS]

00:38:27   we are both like wrapping some kind of [TS]

00:38:30   other climbers we called not yet the [TS]

00:38:33   Alaskan standoff [TS]

00:38:34   yeah right guys an inappropriate guard [TS]

00:38:36   who's gonna go down first [TS]

00:38:37   who which one which one is going to cop [TS]

00:38:39   to the fact that they are fashion victim [TS]

00:38:43   em high school fashion victim and not [TS]

00:38:45   dressed appropriately and those get you [TS]

00:38:47   know the kids that came to school in [TS]

00:38:49   bunny boots and and like foul like US [TS]

00:38:55   military foul weather gear [TS]

00:38:57   those were the only people that were [TS]

00:39:00   actually dressed appropriately but when [TS]

00:39:03   we heap scorn on them because it you [TS]

00:39:07   know their their fathers had obviously [TS]

00:39:09   their fathers were based at Elmendorf [TS]

00:39:11   and they were wearing like a [TS]

00:39:13   military-issue winter clothes [TS]

00:39:15   it was it was pretty sad from again from [TS]

00:39:19   the perspective of somebody in red boat [TS]

00:39:21   shoes with no socks [TS]

00:39:23   well i don't think i'm going to ridicule [TS]

00:39:25   I don't think it's pretty cool [TS]

00:39:26   well it wasn't cool then it would be [TS]

00:39:28   cool now it seemed poor its import yeah [TS]

00:39:32   and that was you know like that was it [TS]

00:39:33   that was big will to see porno magazines [TS]

00:39:37   yes and a lot of people worked really [TS]

00:39:39   hard to not look for but you know what [TS]

00:39:43   became the costume of the coolest kids [TS]

00:39:47   later which is unwashed dark denim [TS]

00:39:50   rolled up at the cuffs boots [TS]

00:39:55   hair that was kind of long in front [TS]

00:40:00   short and back and dark rimmed buddy [TS]

00:40:05   holly glasses cool look and some kind of [TS]

00:40:08   black t-shirt or some kind of shirt of [TS]

00:40:11   you know we're in a white oxford shirt [TS]

00:40:13   you know that is an extremely cool look [TS]

00:40:17   and by the time I was out at the end of [TS]

00:40:20   high school [TS]

00:40:21   it had it had appeared again or it was [TS]

00:40:26   recognized as cool but when i first [TS]

00:40:28   started in high school when like the [TS]

00:40:32   fashion was jeans super tight jeans that [TS]

00:40:36   had been bleached and you know like if [TS]

00:40:39   you showed up in unwashed Levi's know [TS]

00:40:41   with cuffs you can bet you could buy [TS]

00:40:44   stuff and I remember the county seat in [TS]

00:40:47   florida that one of the denim outlets [TS]

00:40:49   you could buy this stuff that depending [TS]

00:40:51   on how washed-out you want your jeans to [TS]

00:40:53   be you could buy your let's talk about [TS]

00:40:55   it then [TS]

00:40:56   very cheap unwashed 50 once tossed them [TS]

00:40:59   in with some of this stuff and get this [TS]

00:41:01   really square looking fake faded look [TS]

00:41:03   after a couple of washes yeah right i [TS]

00:41:05   mean fiber ones were 19 bucks you talked [TS]

00:41:07   about this i think on your program with [TS]

00:41:08   Dan and I'm in the same boat i recently [TS]

00:41:10   bought a new pair of 50 ones and and [TS]

00:41:12   it's the same deal its virtually [TS]

00:41:13   impossible to figure out which one's [TS]

00:41:15   your supposed to get and even still [TS]

00:41:17   there i think they're 50 bucks yeah I [TS]

00:41:20   mean it's like it's a little bit like [TS]

00:41:23   converse converse used to be ten dollars [TS]

00:41:25   a pair $20 pair i'm so mad at levis that [TS]

00:41:28   I can't even the can't even talk and is [TS]

00:41:30   so much to be mad about with Levi's [TS]

00:41:32   right now but but i but i but i am a i'm [TS]

00:41:35   so i'm so mad I just taken i took your [TS]

00:41:40   story so anyway you were wearing the [TS]

00:41:41   wrong thing at the wrong time what [TS]

00:41:42   you're wearing eventually kinda came [TS]

00:41:43   around [TS]

00:41:44   well that's the thing you just looked [TS]

00:41:45   like your mom dressed you and you were [TS]

00:41:47   poor right if you were just wearing [TS]

00:41:49   unwashed Levi's that were rolled up at [TS]

00:41:50   the cuffs [TS]

00:41:51   it just was it just indicated that you [TS]

00:41:54   lived in an unheated house and and you [TS]

00:42:00   know and that's the way that's the kind [TS]

00:42:03   of the way I was set to school and then [TS]

00:42:05   later on when that became a symbol of [TS]

00:42:09   like mega cool i didn't change anything [TS]

00:42:14   I just rolled right into the future but [TS]

00:42:17   but I don't think I don't think young [TS]

00:42:20   people today even people a little bit [TS]

00:42:21   younger than us can remember a time when [TS]

00:42:23   the geek look the nerd look the nerve [TS]

00:42:28   especially the nerd rock-and-roll [TS]

00:42:30   crossover when none of that had happened [TS]

00:42:32   and nerd was actually shorthand for poor [TS]

00:42:36   and it was a thing you you tried to [TS]

00:42:40   avoid at all costs [TS]

00:42:42   it had a lot tied up in it and in fact I [TS]

00:42:45   mean if you look at a lot of the [TS]

00:42:47   mid-eighties sort of john hughes ish [TS]

00:42:50   movies from the early to mid eighties [TS]

00:42:52   you can really see that being played out [TS]

00:42:54   people who looked like he was playing [TS]

00:42:58   with guys named James you know guys on [TS]

00:43:00   the Black Widow Spader james spader yeah [TS]

00:43:02   that Spader I mean Spader apart from [TS]

00:43:04   looking like he's 30 years old in that [TS]

00:43:06   movie he looks the way that a lot of [TS]

00:43:09   cool kids did look at the time what we [TS]

00:43:11   would then maybe have called preppy I [TS]

00:43:13   mean but that that look of like heavily [TS]

00:43:16   self-consciously branded sportswear was [TS]

00:43:20   was the way to go and look for the girls [TS]

00:43:22   in my case like it was good they would [TS]

00:43:24   go to I like a spree there's a lot of a [TS]

00:43:25   spree where oh yeah so you get you know [TS]

00:43:29   what I mean you get like the like not [TS]

00:43:31   the kind of clam diggers then or you get [TS]

00:43:33   this the striped shirts and get the [TS]

00:43:35   candy shoes and multiple bracelets and [TS]

00:43:37   that was the whole thing but you [TS]

00:43:39   wouldn't look like a farmer [TS]

00:43:40   no you didn't you wanted to I mean at [TS]

00:43:44   this [TS]

00:43:44   I can't I can't go back enough as I [TS]

00:43:47   thought about this sometimes I wish I [TS]

00:43:48   could go back and stand in the student [TS]

00:43:50   center of my school and watch the kids [TS]

00:43:53   go by and see them with my current eyes [TS]

00:43:57   rather than with my afflicted eyes the [TS]

00:44:01   afflicted eyes of teenage life [TS]

00:44:03   we're just like you know loser cool kid [TS]

00:44:07   loser stoner cool kid loser [TS]

00:44:12   I don't even see that kitty such a loser [TS]

00:44:14   you know like there was so much of that [TS]

00:44:17   in the in the cult in my culture in high [TS]

00:44:22   school [TS]

00:44:22   and I was you know and I was terrified [TS]

00:44:25   that I was a loser and I didn't did I [TS]

00:44:29   never succumbed to the to the brand [TS]

00:44:32   thing or like I'm not going to be a [TS]

00:44:34   loser I'm in a dress right and i'm going [TS]

00:44:35   to feather my hair whatever but i would [TS]

00:44:38   but you know like my my way of [TS]

00:44:40   communicating to people that I wasn't a [TS]

00:44:42   loser was that I carried a copy of The [TS]

00:44:44   Wall Street Journal tucked under my arm [TS]

00:44:45   and nothing says loser more than a high [TS]

00:44:52   school kid walking around with an unread [TS]

00:44:54   copy of The Wall Street Journal [TS]

00:44:55   secularism but I was convinced that that [TS]

00:44:59   was the talus man that was going to [TS]

00:45:01   protect me against other teens because [TS]

00:45:05   they're gonna be like wood was that who [TS]

00:45:07   loser and I would be like well I'm just [TS]

00:45:11   checking my stocks we'll see who's the [TS]

00:45:16   loser one day [TS]

00:45:17   hmm and the loser one day is still me I [TS]

00:45:23   still you know how many stocks guy [TS]

00:45:30   Germany kids breakfast so I looked up [TS]

00:45:34   the last name of Thomas and Peter just [TS]

00:45:37   wondering what's going on with them [TS]

00:45:38   because it was entirely possible that [TS]

00:45:40   those guys could have gone on to you [TS]

00:45:45   know own Microsoft or something [TS]

00:45:47   I think I think if they if they owned [TS]

00:45:49   microsoft I would have heard of it but i [TS]

00:45:52   found one of the first links was to a [TS]

00:45:55   German General in world war two who was [TS]

00:46:01   part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler no [TS]

00:46:06   way and i'm wondering it's a fairly [TS]

00:46:09   uncommon name and i'm just i'm wondering [TS]

00:46:13   if the the boys and their father were [TS]

00:46:17   some sort of like the son of this guy or [TS]

00:46:21   the nephew of this guy certainly would [TS]

00:46:23   have left the country left the country [TS]

00:46:24   and and you know been welcomed in [TS]

00:46:28   America and it started a new life here [TS]

00:46:30   but yeah I mean he won the Iron Cross [TS]

00:46:33   and war one [TS]

00:46:35   Wow [TS]

00:46:36   you know he's one of those old prussian [TS]

00:46:37   guys who was never a Nazi right they [TS]

00:46:42   were they were they were in the Army [TS]

00:46:44   right yeah so interesting I never really [TS]

00:46:48   researched that before I always wondered [TS]

00:46:52   about that family stone that so it is in [TS]

00:46:55   their family huh mark one trains i [TS]

00:46:59   decided not very long ago I was gonna go [TS]

00:47:00   to the hobby store and get really [TS]

00:47:02   interested in trains [TS]

00:47:04   oh really and I was like I'm gonna build [TS]

00:47:06   a marklin train set this time not not [TS]

00:47:08   some a chode garbage on the matter has [TS]

00:47:11   expressed an interest in becoming a [TS]

00:47:12   trained person and and you haven't liked [TS]

00:47:15   enthusiastically run to your we don't [TS]

00:47:18   have a lot of square footage at the [TS]

00:47:19   house but what happens when the flax as [TS]

00:47:21   you do and there's this thing she's been [TS]

00:47:23   wanting to get it's actually it's kind [TS]

00:47:24   of cool they have a little like a little [TS]

00:47:26   spinner rack of these different packages [TS]

00:47:29   of what I was just an easy way to [TS]

00:47:31   describe it is imagined you wanted to [TS]

00:47:33   make your scale train set look like [TS]

00:47:35   stuff so you can buy corn stalks you can [TS]

00:47:38   buy trees you can get you know get apple [TS]

00:47:41   trees you can get orange trees you can [TS]

00:47:43   get you know all these different kinds [TS]

00:47:44   of things and you make any of these [TS]

00:47:45   little like little layouts that isn't [TS]

00:47:49   yeah and I mean it'sit's you can use it [TS]

00:47:52   for lots of different things I don't [TS]

00:47:53   even know what scale but she was so [TS]

00:47:54   thrilled to get a few of those and put [TS]

00:47:56   it together and now I think she's coming [TS]

00:47:58   to trains via set-dressing basically [TS]

00:48:00   she's interested he's most interested in [TS]

00:48:01   where she puts the cornstalks but trains [TS]

00:48:03   are definitely beginning to enter into [TS]

00:48:05   the discussion and so what scale are you [TS]

00:48:07   starting with um I mean off the top of [TS]

00:48:10   my head I don't know if it's a specific [TS]

00:48:13   scale but it looks like it would be [TS]

00:48:14   closer to end I mean the cornstalks are [TS]

00:48:16   like it less than an inch i right okay [TS]

00:48:19   so i think that's a good I think that's [TS]

00:48:22   a good plan if I had it all to do over [TS]

00:48:23   again even though h 0 is the standard [TS]

00:48:27   but settles HR the big one HR not know [TS]

00:48:30   that anything really big ones are like [TS]

00:48:32   Lionel big big scale and a lot to learn [TS]

00:48:36   but uh yeah the thing is that that pho [TS]

00:48:42   is kind of the one that looks like a [TS]

00:48:44   train set just looks like you don't even [TS]

00:48:47   register that it's a scale because it is [TS]

00:48:49   seems like trains at scale I get it yet [TS]

00:48:51   but like I have the smaller scales like [TS]

00:48:59   n scale i just think it's perfect [TS]

00:49:00   because it's small enough that you can [TS]

00:49:02   it's big enough that you can still make [TS]

00:49:04   very detailed things and I think in some [TS]

00:49:07   ways the detail looks more authentic [TS]

00:49:09   because it's just examine down and kinda [TS]

00:49:11   looks the coolest n is 1 2 160 is one [TS]

00:49:16   below and called Z yes he is too small [TS]

00:49:18   12 to 24 HR is what I remember so H oh [TS]

00:49:22   here it looks like his 11 287 all the [TS]

00:49:26   way to g g which is 12 22 which is just [TS]

00:49:29   that's asinine that's 2g you could you [TS]

00:49:31   even use your cat could ride the train [TS]

00:49:33   right that would be super cute [TS]

00:49:34   it'd be really cute but you have to do [TS]

00:49:36   is you have to tape the cat into the [TS]

00:49:38   time if you had one of those like if you [TS]

00:49:42   had a little dog but that also suffered [TS]

00:49:44   from ennui you know like a little dog [TS]

00:49:48   that was sort of depressed and not like [TS]

00:49:49   at like a skittish link on and found its [TS]

00:49:52   back right now exactly you could maybe [TS]

00:49:55   that maybe I could ride around in the g [TS]

00:49:57   train you got you got if you got a fair [TS]

00:49:59   amount of square footage in that place [TS]

00:50:01   you you could you could have a train set [TS]

00:50:03   there [TS]

00:50:03   yeah I couldn't end and i have not ruled [TS]

00:50:06   it out but I feel like the end scale is [TS]

00:50:08   the way that you get a tabletop train [TS]

00:50:11   set that still has enough set dressing [TS]

00:50:14   because within a chode said if you're [TS]

00:50:16   probably gonna build an oval on a tree [TS]

00:50:18   on a tabletop that's all you're going to [TS]

00:50:20   get the trains just going to go around [TS]

00:50:21   in a circle [TS]

00:50:22   oh yeah all the room you have you [TS]

00:50:24   wouldn't have to do any cool stuff you [TS]

00:50:25   would need to have it would have [TS]

00:50:26   stations and towns and waters and stuff [TS]

00:50:28   like that bridges and switches you needs [TS]

00:50:30   here's the thing train set is all about [TS]

00:50:33   the switching like I know you are you [TS]

00:50:36   get into it through the set-dressing a [TS]

00:50:38   lot of people do a lot of people get [TS]

00:50:40   into it through the like oh it's cute [TS]

00:50:42   little cute train then you build an [TS]

00:50:44   Overland trains ooman around build a [TS]

00:50:47   little town but then when you think I [TS]

00:50:50   need to study to get a switch here and [TS]

00:50:53   build another bill that building so the [TS]

00:50:56   Train can sometimes go on this other [TS]

00:50:58   track that's when the madness sets in [TS]

00:51:02   and it seems like you're never done [TS]

00:51:03   right [TS]

00:51:06   I mean part part of the fun of it is [TS]

00:51:08   that it would just go on and on forever [TS]

00:51:10   yeah you build it forever you're always [TS]

00:51:12   tearing it down you're always like oh [TS]

00:51:13   you know I'm gonna redo this little [TS]

00:51:16   corner of the Train Set make it you know [TS]

00:51:19   make the waterfall more realistic or you [TS]

00:51:23   know I never really liked like but my [TS]

00:51:24   challenge was in the town scenes and [TS]

00:51:27   that and I think anybody that's ever [TS]

00:51:29   done a diorama of a town is going to [TS]

00:51:31   recognize this problem which is how do [TS]

00:51:35   you place the pretend cars on the [TS]

00:51:39   pretend road where they look like actual [TS]

00:51:42   traffic and not like how do you space [TS]

00:51:46   them apart from one another so that they [TS]

00:51:48   don't look like a kid just came in and [TS]

00:51:50   put the cars evenly spaced right how do [TS]

00:51:54   you make it look naturalistic that it's [TS]

00:51:56   that it's traffic right that [TS]

00:51:58   yeah there's a rookie a rookie mistake [TS]

00:52:00   they just set this stuff down without [TS]

00:52:02   the goal how they pull out of that [TS]

00:52:03   parking space [TS]

00:52:04   exactly how do you make it look like how [TS]

00:52:07   to make it come alive and not look stage [TS]

00:52:10   and then that's a huge challenge in [TS]

00:52:15   modeling especially if you're if you're [TS]

00:52:18   going to go the whole hog into a diorama [TS]

00:52:19   i went to the state fair this year and [TS]

00:52:23   walked through the the displays and you [TS]

00:52:27   know there are whole there's a whole [TS]

00:52:29   area of the state fair where people put [TS]

00:52:31   their little dioramas that they've made [TS]

00:52:33   but also people just display their [TS]

00:52:37   collections there was a there was a guy [TS]

00:52:40   that's really just is bring your stuff [TS]

00:52:42   and put it out [TS]

00:52:43   yeah that's very healing there's a guy [TS]

00:52:45   that I know it was a guy had to be good [TS]

00:52:47   there's like stagecraft to it is put [TS]

00:52:49   away your stone there's a little bit of [TS]

00:52:51   stagecraft he had the temerity to to [TS]

00:52:54   display his collection of pendleton [TS]

00:52:58   shirts and he like he did a whole [TS]

00:53:03   display like la my collection of [TS]

00:53:06   Pendleton's and I stood there marveling [TS]

00:53:09   at this thing because they were great [TS]

00:53:11   Pendleton [TS]

00:53:12   it was a beautiful display he had [TS]

00:53:15   20-plus Pendleton's when I was like I [TS]

00:53:18   could fill this barn if the standard is [TS]

00:53:23   if you have 20 Pendleton's here you're [TS]

00:53:25   entitled to go to the state fair to [TS]

00:53:27   arrange them in a display I was like [TS]

00:53:29   first of all my candlestick display [TS]

00:53:33   would win Best in Show le just any more [TS]

00:53:36   questions like how many should i bring [TS]

00:53:38   yeah my globe display like you know [TS]

00:53:41   look out I could probably I could [TS]

00:53:43   probably match that guy with a Pendleton [TS]

00:53:45   display and i'm walking around this [TS]

00:53:46   thing it's like all the normal ones [TS]

00:53:48   where oh this person I you know I'm not [TS]

00:53:52   gonna I'm not going to generalize about [TS]

00:53:54   who they might be but this person has [TS]

00:53:56   collected only butter jars that are [TS]

00:54:00   shaped like pigs [TS]

00:54:02   huh like butter like little covered [TS]

00:54:05   butter dishes that are shaped like like [TS]

00:54:08   two pigs in love or whatever and they [TS]

00:54:10   are able to fill up an entire display [TS]

00:54:12   with with the butter dish shaped with [TS]

00:54:15   butter dishes of different sizes shapes [TS]

00:54:16   like two pigs in love and you think [TS]

00:54:20   that's spectacular like that is more [TS]

00:54:23   that's monomaniacal and I give it to you [TS]

00:54:26   but then the display where it's just [TS]

00:54:28   like every kind of betty boop doll that [TS]

00:54:30   you can find ya where where it's not [TS]

00:54:34   that we're it's not weird enough like 22 [TS]

00:54:37   digs in love that's a theme and then [TS]

00:54:39   that's what that would be a life's work [TS]

00:54:41   John right but to limited to butter [TS]

00:54:43   dishes like okay you are on you are on [TS]

00:54:46   something or you are onto something and [TS]

00:54:49   that the where the line is between on [TS]

00:54:51   something and onto something [TS]

00:54:53   it's you know it's just it seems very [TS]

00:54:55   small but it's but it's like I am always [TS]

00:54:59   trying to find where the break point is [TS]

00:55:02   there between on something onto [TS]

00:55:04   something so I'm walking around this [TS]

00:55:07   thing and I'm like where would my if I [TS]

00:55:09   were going to go to the state fair and [TS]

00:55:11   put something down here like what would [TS]

00:55:15   it be and how would I blow their minds [TS]

00:55:17   how would I how would I indicate that i [TS]

00:55:20   am onto something and not just on [TS]

00:55:21   something and then I gotta come around [TS]

00:55:24   the corner and there's a guy who [TS]

00:55:25   as a collection of snare drums and it's [TS]

00:55:31   and it fills a wall and I when I walk [TS]

00:55:35   over to various very slowly and you know [TS]

00:55:36   it's one of these things where when you [TS]

00:55:38   pan back in the in the film you know all [TS]

00:55:41   the other people are moving around very [TS]

00:55:42   fast they're stopping and looking at [TS]

00:55:45   stuff they're all in fast motion and I [TS]

00:55:48   am in regular motion you can all it i'm [TS]

00:55:50   building commission can visualize this [TS]

00:55:52   i'm walking over to the drums and I'm [TS]

00:55:55   like what the fuck is this like is this [TS]

00:55:59   a bunch of junk or is this the most [TS]

00:56:03   amazing thing I've ever seen and as I [TS]

00:56:05   get closer I realized that it is amazing [TS]

00:56:07   that this guy has old black beauties he [TS]

00:56:13   has he has 25 different lucite snares of [TS]

00:56:20   different rainbow colors from the from [TS]

00:56:23   the ludwig years like he's got a snare [TS]

00:56:27   drum from every era and representing you [TS]

00:56:34   know all of the superstar drive snare [TS]

00:56:37   drum porn [TS]

00:56:38   basically he's got snares there that are [TS]

00:56:39   worth $80,000 his snare collection [TS]

00:56:43   belongs not in a museum but on top of [TS]

00:56:46   the Empire State Building with a giant [TS]

00:56:48   flag indicating its presence like it is [TS]

00:56:52   a masterwork of craziness because to [TS]

00:56:57   have that many stairs is insane but they [TS]

00:57:01   were beautiful [TS]

00:57:02   every single one of them was fantastic [TS]

00:57:04   and I'm standing there staring at this [TS]

00:57:05   thing and people walking by and my own [TS]

00:57:07   family is taking up my sleeve and saying [TS]

00:57:09   come on let's go [TS]

00:57:10   like there's so much more to see like we [TS]

00:57:12   have to go get burned corn that's [TS]

00:57:14   covered with mayonnaise and and find [TS]

00:57:17   some deep-fried like deep France [TS]

00:57:20   deep-fried butter and I am mesmerised [TS]

00:57:24   not just by the beauty of this above [TS]

00:57:27   these pieces [TS]

00:57:28   I'm just trying to get inside this [TS]

00:57:30   person's mind at some point earlier some [TS]

00:57:34   point early enough in the world that [TS]

00:57:37   they could still acquire these snares [TS]

00:57:39   without because you could tell this guy [TS]

00:57:42   had never paid $80,000 for a snare right [TS]

00:57:44   it's all it's a long game write [TS]

00:57:46   something where he's he's been doing [TS]

00:57:47   this for a while [TS]

00:57:48   this is a lifetime pursuit and he [TS]

00:57:51   recognizes that some of these snares [TS]

00:57:53   belong in a museum and I don't even know [TS]

00:57:55   if there is a museum for snares I think [TS]

00:57:57   it starts with this man and a but he's [TS]

00:58:01   been collecting them for a long time and [TS]

00:58:02   he has the 59 Les Paul of snares and he [TS]

00:58:05   has multiple versions of it [TS]

00:58:07   Wow and he knows enough about it and [TS]

00:58:10   he's got little three-by-five cards that [TS]

00:58:12   he has typed with a typewriter that are [TS]

00:58:15   talking about the difference in hardware [TS]

00:58:17   and there are a couple of drums when [TS]

00:58:19   he's like this is a very curious piece [TS]

00:58:21   and now he's only talking to me [TS]

00:58:24   alright John this this sounds very close [TS]

00:58:26   to something me you need to be doing [TS]

00:58:29   yeah they're the the fair has been going [TS]

00:58:31   for three weeks and probably five people [TS]

00:58:33   have stopped and stared at this thing [TS]

00:58:35   and the other 4 guys you know all had [TS]

00:58:39   really long hair and we're wearing a [TS]

00:58:43   sleeveless t-shirt shaped like a British [TS]

00:58:45   flag your spook you're saying I'm up [TS]

00:58:48   takes in love with probably draw draw [TS]

00:58:49   more foot traffic a lot more people at [TS]

00:58:51   the fair going to stop at the pigs and [TS]

00:58:53   love butter dishes but so I'm sitting [TS]

00:58:55   I'm reading these little cards and he's [TS]

00:58:57   like technically this Hardware shouldn't [TS]

00:59:00   be brass but it is and that and that [TS]

00:59:05   poses several questions about the date [TS]

00:59:08   of manufacture and my aunt and my theory [TS]

00:59:14   is that when they discontinued the model [TS]

00:59:18   beforehand they had some hardware left [TS]

00:59:20   over and they built this and that you [TS]

00:59:22   know he's just talking about these he's [TS]

00:59:25   talking about these drums like from the [TS]

00:59:27   standpoint of exactly the kind of crazy [TS]

00:59:30   that I am so it's not enough that he's [TS]

00:59:33   discovered something that probably [TS]

00:59:35   nobody else cares about let alone [TS]

00:59:37   noticed but he's got a reckon he's got [TS]

00:59:39   he's got a theory on why it happen [TS]

00:59:41   and that's right and he's got to sit and [TS]

00:59:43   go like Newark Newark Newark about it [TS]

00:59:45   intended and like I'm sure that he I'm [TS]

00:59:50   sure that he has clutched that drum to [TS]

00:59:53   his chest and swayed back and forth like [TS]

00:59:56   mm that's some shit that's [TS]

00:59:56   mm that's some shit that's [TS]

01:00:00   because he's thought about the he's [TS]

01:00:03   thought about the life that this drum [TS]

01:00:05   has led right [TS]

01:00:07   he knows that he knows the data was made [TS]

01:00:09   but he also knows that it has made its [TS]

01:00:12   way through time retaining a certain [TS]

01:00:17   characteristics that other drugs have [TS]

01:00:19   lost it has retained its you know [TS]

01:00:21   there's he had a couple of drums then [TS]

01:00:23   had a where their finish was a was like [TS]

01:00:28   a a print of the signatures of all the [TS]

01:00:32   great drummers of that era like somebody [TS]

01:00:36   got buddy rich and Gene Krupa and all [TS]

01:00:39   these guys to sign [TS]

01:00:41   Wow a piece of paper and then they [TS]

01:00:43   reproduce it and made it into a into a [TS]

01:00:47   cover for a drum for snare and he had [TS]

01:00:51   multiples of this there were different [TS]

01:00:54   colors and he was and he was like dis [TS]

01:00:56   court discoursing like this one is very [TS]

01:01:01   own you this one is very unusual and I'm [TS]

01:01:04   just like oh my god where are you [TS]

01:01:07   you've gotta be around here somewhere I [TS]

01:01:08   have to talk to you now because you know [TS]

01:01:12   these things that these things were rare [TS]

01:01:13   to begin with but what makes them [TS]

01:01:16   interesting is that they made this that [TS]

01:01:17   made this journey and he has thought [TS]

01:01:21   about their journey and the you know and [TS]

01:01:23   the parts of the journey that he can [TS]

01:01:24   tell he wants to tell in the parts that [TS]

01:01:27   he can't tell our we'll always be we'll [TS]

01:01:31   always be curious about them he wants [TS]

01:01:32   somebody to call him up and say that was [TS]

01:01:34   my drum back in nineteen fifty like [TS]

01:01:36   nothing would make him happier when the [TS]

01:01:38   fact that it's something that's so we're [TS]

01:01:39   so rare and so weird that it must feel a [TS]

01:01:42   little bit magical that not only made it [TS]

01:01:44   but one of the few people in the world [TS]

01:01:46   who can fully appreciate it is the [TS]

01:01:48   person who has it now [TS]

01:01:49   yeah yeah somewhat miraculous that all [TS]

01:01:52   those things lined up in the way they [TS]

01:01:53   did [TS]

01:01:54   yeah here's the thing and it's and there [TS]

01:01:58   were multiple multiple times in its life [TS]

01:02:00   where it could have been worse some [TS]

01:02:02   teenage kid could have been like oh yeah [TS]

01:02:04   I found this drum in my dad's basement [TS]

01:02:05   let's start a band and let's spray paint [TS]

01:02:08   it black to make it look cool [TS]

01:02:12   and that didn't happen to this drum you [TS]

01:02:16   know right a kid did knots did not sand [TS]

01:02:19   the finish off of his dad's 55 les paul [TS]

01:02:21   and paint it with Gene Simmons his face [TS]

01:02:25   it was left alone but not left alone in [TS]

01:02:31   a moldy basement where it was destroyed [TS]

01:02:32   left alone somewhere where it was [TS]

01:02:34   protected and I mean it's just like a [TS]

01:02:37   butt [TS]

01:02:38   so eventually I was I had to be dragged [TS]

01:02:41   away from this thing because I because I [TS]

01:02:43   just wanted to stay there until the fair [TS]

01:02:45   closed and until this person came to get [TS]

01:02:47   these drawings you never got to talk to [TS]

01:02:49   him or her not around this the the drum [TS]

01:02:52   collector remained a mystery to me it [TS]

01:02:55   was I was just seeing into them i was [TS]

01:02:57   looking into them through this weirdness [TS]

01:03:01   and oh the best part of it is this is a [TS]

01:03:07   person who thought to bring it to the [TS]

01:03:09   fair [TS]

01:03:10   yeah how does that how do you think [TS]

01:03:12   there must be some intermediary [TS]

01:03:14   organization of collectors like that no [TS]

01:03:17   God the weekend I mean I mean is there [TS]

01:03:19   like an RFP they send out some kind of [TS]

01:03:21   announcement hey if you have a lot of [TS]

01:03:23   something and want to bring it to the [TS]

01:03:24   fair here's how to do it [TS]

01:03:25   yeah look I don't know I mean that this [TS]

01:03:28   is the type of thing i would expect to [TS]

01:03:29   see up above the counter in a in a store [TS]

01:03:34   in New York City where when you walk in [TS]

01:03:37   and ask the person behind the counter [TS]

01:03:39   for something he yells at you [TS]

01:03:40   yeah sure right this is this is the type [TS]

01:03:43   of thing that you would see at sam ash [TS]

01:03:45   music in midtown as a you know like this [TS]

01:03:51   is the only place in the world where you [TS]

01:03:52   will see this acceptance at the puyallup [TS]

01:03:54   fair in Washington and I don't and I [TS]

01:03:57   don't know where it is now it all got [TS]

01:03:58   boxed up and its back in this persons [TS]

01:04:00   living room burr or or I mean the thing [TS]

01:04:03   is it's not in the Attic it's to this is [TS]

01:04:07   not a thing that just gets trotted out [TS]

01:04:09   once a year it has it lives somewhere I [TS]

01:04:12   don't know [TS]

01:04:13   well everyone let's get to the the [TS]

01:04:14   really crazy part which is in all of [TS]

01:04:16   that chain now who knows maybe the most [TS]

01:04:18   telling part is you were there to see it [TS]

01:04:21   of all people mmm don't you think so [TS]

01:04:24   well that's the thing so I'm wondering [TS]

01:04:25   like if I'm [TS]

01:04:26   go to the puyallup fair next year and [TS]

01:04:28   I'm gonna take up one of these boots and [TS]

01:04:29   i'm going to put a collection there like [TS]

01:04:32   what is it i caii return back to what I [TS]

01:04:35   said before I think you should do a [TS]

01:04:36   little bit of research about how those [TS]

01:04:38   folks got there because first of all [TS]

01:04:39   make sure it's a party you really want [TS]

01:04:41   to go to this my this is this my great [TS]

01:04:45   is that you think about having a special [TS]

01:04:46   i also cannot believe that the [TS]

01:04:47   perpetrator was not standing there with [TS]

01:04:49   his stuff the whole time because I mean [TS]

01:04:51   like Gollum I imagine he's pretty [TS]

01:04:52   particular about who touches the snares [TS]

01:04:54   well we couldn't touch them they were [TS]

01:04:56   they were you know if I if you could [TS]

01:04:58   touch him I wouldn't touch them like [TS]

01:05:00   crazy stuff happens but you know and [TS]

01:05:01   also you got to be careful because you [TS]

01:05:02   know you might not go there and for [TS]

01:05:03   three weeks and having lunch with the [TS]

01:05:04   pigs and love lady or man [TS]

01:05:06   well that's the thing if you're if [TS]

01:05:07   you're at a party like that and you get [TS]

01:05:10   and you end up talking to the Betty Boop [TS]

01:05:12   person who you're like so when did you [TS]

01:05:15   start collecting Betty Boop and they're [TS]

01:05:17   like oh I've been collecting Betty Boop [TS]

01:05:18   for 30 years and you go right I can tell [TS]

01:05:20   you've got like 10,000 Betty Boop's [TS]

01:05:23   there [TS]

01:05:23   what is your like standard of selecting [TS]

01:05:27   them and the person looks at you kind of [TS]

01:05:30   quickly and goes what do you mean I just [TS]

01:05:32   buy all the Betty Boop's I by everybody [TS]

01:05:34   boot right you go write a lot of those [TS]

01:05:37   Betty Boop's were made in china and [TS]

01:05:39   they're like what does that have to do [TS]

01:05:41   with anything [TS]

01:05:42   it's usually right you know i'm not [TS]

01:05:45   interested in just buying everybody [TS]

01:05:47   boots because when you're when you're [TS]

01:05:48   looking well that's Betty boobs are pigs [TS]

01:05:50   in love or snare drums which are [TS]

01:05:52   passionately interested in your [TS]

01:05:54   interested in let's say 20 items that [TS]

01:05:56   they have but you're also incredibly [TS]

01:05:58   interested by extension in the 50,000 [TS]

01:06:00   things that they didn't bother was not [TS]

01:06:02   part of the curation sure what makes it [TS]

01:06:04   special is that why should I got a whole [TS]

01:06:06   lot of storage shed full of betty boop [TS]

01:06:08   so who cares those are all that's a [TS]

01:06:10   little cast of losers bring on Antiques [TS]

01:06:11   Roadshow no sir [TS]

01:06:12   did you notice making 73 copyright on [TS]

01:06:14   your haha i like those this Shirley [TS]

01:06:17   Temple doll was made five years simple [TS]

01:06:19   if you had if you had a ton of money if [TS]

01:06:22   you had 500 grand and you wanted to go [TS]

01:06:25   compile a collection of snare drums [TS]

01:06:28   where you're only story was i bought [TS]

01:06:31   this because it was expensive [TS]

01:06:35   you could you could you could build a [TS]

01:06:37   collection of snare drums you could [TS]

01:06:39   build any kind of collection [TS]

01:06:40   he just went and bought it's the it's [TS]

01:06:42   that this that he he knew he had looked [TS]

01:06:46   he had looked at the threads of the [TS]

01:06:49   screws right and had something salient [TS]

01:06:52   to say about it [TS]

01:06:53   so yeah like we walked by one that was a [TS]

01:06:56   wall of Winnie the Pooh's and it had the [TS]

01:07:01   same it was the Betty Boop story was [TS]

01:07:02   just like you know it's a wall [TS]

01:07:03   winnie-the-pooh said it may be their [TS]

01:07:05   work maybe there are a dozen Winnie the [TS]

01:07:08   Pooh's in here that have something [TS]

01:07:10   interesting to say but I can't tell [TS]

01:07:11   because you're just trying to overwhelm [TS]

01:07:13   me with with quantity right and so [TS]

01:07:17   you're at the you're at the party here [TS]

01:07:18   at the pre-party and you get you get you [TS]

01:07:22   get cornered by the Betty Boop in the [TS]

01:07:24   winnie the pooh person [TS]

01:07:25   yes just like listen I really want to [TS]

01:07:27   talk to the pigs in love butter dish [TS]

01:07:30   person that is my kind of crazy and [TS]

01:07:34   they're just they're over talk about the [TS]

01:07:35   snare drum Caillou never you maybe get [TS]

01:07:36   you get in the wrong [TS]

01:07:38   click it seems like this must bring up a [TS]

01:07:41   lot of questions for you that one of the [TS]

01:07:43   questions i'm guessing must be if you [TS]

01:07:45   were hypothetically going to bring one [TS]

01:07:47   of your numerous collections to the [TS]

01:07:49   Apollo Apollo hope obama affair [TS]

01:07:52   what up to have a sense of like it would [TS]

01:07:55   be gloves would it be candles [TS]

01:07:56   what kinds of things do you feel like [TS]

01:07:57   you need to share what you feel you [TS]

01:07:59   could best curate for the audience there [TS]

01:08:01   if I if I wanted to just overwhelm them [TS]

01:08:04   i would just take my collection of a [TS]

01:08:07   little field field notes books that i've [TS]

01:08:10   never written anything in four right [TS]

01:08:13   because every it seems like for the last [TS]

01:08:15   10 years every single event i go to the [TS]

01:08:20   in the schwag bag is 0 is a package of [TS]

01:08:24   three fields notes field notes books [TS]

01:08:28   that 25 years ago i would have [TS]

01:08:31   compulsively filled those things with [TS]

01:08:35   crazy ranting but somehow I and so and [TS]

01:08:42   so I complain so I collect them because [TS]

01:08:44   they still represent to me this [TS]

01:08:47   opportunity because it used to be when I [TS]

01:08:50   was 20 years old it was hard to get a-a [TS]

01:08:53   little notebook that fit in the pocket [TS]

01:08:54   of your jeans that you could write your [TS]

01:08:56   screens on their hands on their well [TS]

01:09:00   made and they're free and free in your [TS]

01:09:01   case you get them for free i feel i feel [TS]

01:09:03   the thousand types of those before [TS]

01:09:06   fields field notes were invented so what [TS]

01:09:08   I see them when i get them [TS]

01:09:09   I'm always pleased that i can gather [TS]

01:09:11   them to me but I i could do nothing for [TS]

01:09:16   the rest of my life but rant that crazy [TS]

01:09:18   scribble rant in a field notebook and i [TS]

01:09:21   still would not feel fill all the ones i [TS]

01:09:23   have have enough i have enough for for a [TS]

01:09:26   like the library at Alexandria [TS]

01:09:30   completely written i could be i could be [TS]

01:09:33   the guy in the movie seven just with [TS]

01:09:35   field looks so i could just blow [TS]

01:09:38   people's minds with all of the different [TS]

01:09:39   i could just do a whole display was just [TS]

01:09:41   like this guy's in seen why is he that [TS]

01:09:45   doesn't even seem like a container I [TS]

01:09:46   mean it's a great notebooks I've got a [TS]

01:09:47   couple right here but yeah but is it is [TS]

01:09:49   see I feel like this could be a nice [TS]

01:09:51   clarifying moment for you because it [TS]

01:09:54   causes you to not first of all the idea [TS]

01:09:57   of this being an opportunity is since [TS]

01:09:59   it's so interesting because it's so [TS]

01:10:00   close to so many things you've been [TS]

01:10:01   talking about doing but it's also [TS]

01:10:03   clarifying the sense of like okay maybe [TS]

01:10:05   I maybe I am a collector of many kinds [TS]

01:10:07   of things but if I were going to decide [TS]

01:10:09   like what's the one kind of these things [TS]

01:10:12   that i'm on one hand was interested in [TS]

01:10:15   curating and sharing but also like okay [TS]

01:10:17   with taking to like an open area in a [TS]

01:10:19   barn [TS]

01:10:19   like what would that be you have a set [TS]

01:10:21   rough sense of that well you know lately [TS]

01:10:23   the last few years i've been very [TS]

01:10:25   interested in wool blankets like throws [TS]

01:10:29   the kind of blanket that you would some [TS]

01:10:34   of them would not going on a lot of curb [TS]

01:10:36   appeal right come on a lot of blood [TS]

01:10:39   they wouldn't be out of place like [TS]

01:10:43   thrown across your legs at a football [TS]

01:10:44   game [TS]

01:10:45   oh no III value blankets it's just I [TS]

01:10:47   don't know that has has a lot as as a [TS]

01:10:50   live performance environment you've [TS]

01:10:52   gotta see my collection of blankets [TS]

01:10:54   something to really pop the guy with the [TS]

01:10:57   Pendleton shirt collection the the [TS]

01:11:00   unifying characteristic of them they're [TS]

01:11:02   all Pendleton [TS]

01:11:03   yeah whereas I have a little on the nose [TS]

01:11:07   I have penalty blankets but i also have [TS]

01:11:08   Hudson Bay blankets i have blankets from [TS]

01:11:10   the caribou mill I have blankets from [TS]

01:11:14   you know there are a lot of there are a [TS]

01:11:17   lot of regional miss like fabric mills [TS]

01:11:21   and looms in the old days that made [TS]

01:11:24   their signature American blankets and I [TS]

01:11:29   have some from a lot of those i have [TS]

01:11:31   some from Scotland I have some that are [TS]

01:11:33   made of cashmere and if you put them all [TS]

01:11:36   together you start to go like who this [TS]

01:11:41   is this is a thing this is a real this [TS]

01:11:44   is something that I wouldn't have [TS]

01:11:48   noticed but now i'm at the fair and i'm [TS]

01:11:50   being shown how little I knew right [TS]

01:11:55   that's going again but i mean i guess i [TS]

01:11:58   don't know maybe I'm over overthinking [TS]

01:12:00   overstating this but it feels like this [TS]

01:12:02   is the kind of thing that will come to [TS]

01:12:03   you in a dream and get you actually [TS]

01:12:05   lived it like you had the opportunity [TS]

01:12:06   not just see that this can exist but [TS]

01:12:08   that it does exist and you didn't have [TS]

01:12:10   the experience of walking through it and [TS]

01:12:12   seeing what worked and didn't work for [TS]

01:12:14   you and this puts you in the position [TS]

01:12:15   that i feel like if i may say that [TS]

01:12:17   you've been craving for two or three [TS]

01:12:18   years which is what does am I on to [TS]

01:12:20   something or am I was afraid my onto [TS]

01:12:22   something on my own something that in so [TS]

01:12:25   I mean you must be clarifying to because [TS]

01:12:27   now you could say well given the amount [TS]

01:12:29   of space i might have for this what [TS]

01:12:31   could I display best now it's become [TS]

01:12:33   more artful thing because you could [TS]

01:12:34   think about what would what would have [TS]

01:12:36   curb appeal to show like this but the [TS]

01:12:38   problem is i'm not sure that maybe I'm [TS]

01:12:40   not just on something right like when I [TS]

01:12:44   think a year to find out what when I [TS]

01:12:46   think about it it would be like here's [TS]

01:12:48   my collection few candlesticks some [TS]

01:12:51   globes some historical atlases couple of [TS]

01:12:56   switchblades some blankets a few [TS]

01:12:59   different kinds of [TS]

01:13:03   like land jaegers uh-huh some beer [TS]

01:13:08   steins that are staying with coffee all [TS]

01:13:15   of the US presidents represented in [TS]

01:13:17   dolls you don't actually have that day [TS]

01:13:21   so I do some beach some rocks at the [TS]

01:13:24   beach that have a that have some kind of [TS]

01:13:26   what are called wish rocks which are [TS]

01:13:30   rocks that have a us a ring around them [TS]

01:13:32   arm like a jar of those over that like [TS]

01:13:39   twenty dollars in about 80 different [TS]

01:13:41   currencies worldwide on the Washington [TS]

01:13:44   State Fair page and I have to be honest [TS]

01:13:47   i'm having trouble finding what this [TS]

01:13:48   thing is called but there are many [TS]

01:13:49   interesting things at the fair [TS]

01:13:51   I won't tell you that much it's a hobby [TS]

01:13:53   hall I think it might be hobby hall is [TS]

01:13:56   it hobbie hall for an amazing look at [TS]

01:13:57   the intriguing world of crafts and [TS]

01:13:59   collections from lego displays to try [TS]

01:14:01   collections two coins and everything [TS]

01:14:02   in-between quirky is a great description [TS]

01:14:04   for all the fascinating personal [TS]

01:14:06   collections on display in the Hobby home [TS]

01:14:08   well so that's the thing like if you [TS]

01:14:10   just if you just build some stuff on [TS]

01:14:12   Legos you can put it at the hobby hall [TS]

01:14:13   if you build a scale if you build a [TS]

01:14:16   scale model of the house from psycho and [TS]

01:14:21   want to show it to people i mean that [TS]

01:14:23   will put that right in the center of the [TS]

01:14:25   room I don't want to put you on the spot [TS]

01:14:26   John but the page concludes the link and [TS]

01:14:29   the link says you love to collect were [TS]

01:14:31   key items learn how to enter your very [TS]

01:14:33   own display here you know the link so [TS]

01:14:36   what I'm trying to picture now is the [TS]

01:14:37   snare drum collector following like [TS]

01:14:40   going to this page at some point in [TS]

01:14:41   their life [TS]

01:14:42   I'm saying you know what I'm I'm doing [TS]

01:14:44   it because I i go to the fair every year [TS]

01:14:45   and I always walk through hobby hall [TS]

01:14:48   I see a lot of crazy stuff i see some [TS]

01:14:50   stuff that really turns me on i see some [TS]

01:14:52   stuff that really turns me off but the [TS]

01:14:56   snare drum collection I've never seen [TS]

01:14:57   before [TS]

01:14:58   this isn't this person has come out of [TS]

01:14:59   the woodwork [TS]

01:15:01   I'm right now on the [TS]

01:15:08   22 page PDF that you can review already [TS]

01:15:13   got to get going [TS]

01:15:15   it lays out all of the different kinds [TS]

01:15:16   of prices that you can win [TS]

01:15:18   it's got an entire John i encourage you [TS]

01:15:20   to look at this it's got the entire [TS]

01:15:21   taxonomy including the cat Dewey Decimal [TS]

01:15:24   like system all the classes of intensive [TS]

01:15:27   so let's say for example just kind of [TS]

01:15:28   just toss one out for fun [TS]

01:15:29   ok let's say you're interested in egg [TS]

01:15:31   art okay thats continues its division 2 [TS]

01:15:34   22 / in some of these there's an [TS]

01:15:37   important note all entries must be real [TS]

01:15:39   eggs [TS]

01:15:40   well I'm this is if you've seen these [TS]

01:15:42   yes people make holes that it's just [TS]

01:15:45   like a train set set dressing is the is [TS]

01:15:47   the real appeal before I accept your [TS]

01:15:50   dressing eggs and they are interacting [TS]

01:15:52   Beatles so that's the vision to 22 then [TS]

01:15:54   you got classes start with 4800 diorama [TS]

01:15:56   hinge mechanical decoupage hand-painted [TS]

01:15:58   beaded jeweled fancy cut natural dye wax [TS]

01:16:00   resist scratched scratched eggs holiday [TS]

01:16:03   miniature these smaller than chicken egg [TS]

01:16:06   or 4865 you've got other eggs smaller [TS]

01:16:09   the chicken eggs smaller than chicken [TS]

01:16:10   egg now that's just in the agar division [TS]

01:16:12   smaller than chicken egg is not a subset [TS]

01:16:15   of other eggs and there's no wonder if [TS]

01:16:18   you got involved with the governing [TS]

01:16:19   board here I think you could help a lot [TS]

01:16:20   of people [TS]

01:16:21   mhm dolls decorative arts or soft toys [TS]

01:16:25   handcrafted soft toys and animals your [TS]

01:16:30   diaper reproduction dolls they're all [TS]

01:16:33   they're all kinds of people that walk in [TS]

01:16:35   there like this my winnie the pooh [TS]

01:16:36   collection and whoever the judges that's [TS]

01:16:38   like well technically it says [TS]

01:16:39   handcrafted but you know Johnny thanks I [TS]

01:16:43   don't take up the whole episode can I [TS]

01:16:45   just point to scrapbooking division 2 18 [TS]

01:16:48   ok so class 4320 traditional layout [TS]

01:16:52   digital layout hybrid layout which is a [TS]

01:16:53   combination of traditional and digital [TS]

01:16:54   photography that's for school they have [TS]

01:16:57   juniors and adults and scrapbooking so [TS]

01:16:59   your daughter can do this if you're [TS]

01:17:00   under 16 going to do i do a hybrid [TS]

01:17:03   layout that's a 4336 hey there there was [TS]

01:17:07   someone you know now I'm really [TS]

01:17:09   reminiscent of the fair someone who had [TS]

01:17:10   a double-wide booth to taking up the [TS]

01:17:15   space of two booths just for their duran [TS]

01:17:18   duran memorabilia [TS]

01:17:20   haha this is a duran duran duran duran [TS]

01:17:24   that's right and frankly I spent quite a [TS]

01:17:27   bit of time studying it and my [TS]

01:17:31   experience of it was two things a lot of [TS]

01:17:33   that stuff was purchased not in the [TS]

01:17:38   Canonical's or an era but post seven and [TS]

01:17:41   the ragged tiger michaĆ«l Opie write out [TS]

01:17:43   a period out of period it was you know [TS]

01:17:45   it's like it's not brand-new duran duran [TS]

01:17:48   stuff but it's too random stuff from [TS]

01:17:49   1994 so my even though i'm looking at [TS]

01:17:56   this you know i'm studying this thing [TS]

01:17:57   pretty carefully [TS]

01:17:58   I'm discounting a lot of that stuff like [TS]

01:18:02   post there's there i'm sure there's [TS]

01:18:06   plenty of disagreement but I feel like [TS]

01:18:08   post even 80 for you to render and stuff [TS]

01:18:12   is not your post 84 duran duran stuff [TS]

01:18:15   you're like tour program from indonesia [TS]

01:18:17   in 2001 is not that's not killing it for [TS]

01:18:21   me and the next thought I had was I have [TS]

01:18:25   some pieces that this person doesn't [TS]

01:18:28   have I have the director and velcro [TS]

01:18:32   wallet that would that I know if this [TS]

01:18:37   person got a hold of the director and [TS]

01:18:38   while velcro wallet would be front and [TS]

01:18:41   center they would have it that's [TS]

01:18:42   licensed I bet that wasn't licensed I i [TS]

01:18:45   have had an unlicensed Adam and the ants [TS]

01:18:47   wallet that I treasured probably not [TS]

01:18:50   licensed although you know you never [TS]

01:18:52   know Russian the members John it's only [TS]

01:18:54   22 pages i feel but i but but another [TS]

01:18:58   part of the another part of the joy for [TS]

01:19:00   me would be to go around and kind of [TS]

01:19:03   like get into a little bit of a disc [TS]

01:19:05   battle [TS]

01:19:06   uh-huh with a lot of these people like [TS]

01:19:08   like to walk up on the dram person and [TS]

01:19:11   just throw down the thing you'd step to [TS]

01:19:13   them [TS]

01:19:14   yeah that's right throw down the velcro [TS]

01:19:15   wall and be like what do you got they [TS]

01:19:16   can we got the commands that you know [TS]

01:19:18   that some rap battle but about things no [TS]

01:19:20   one cares about right don't show me some [TS]

01:19:22   picture disc like do you have some merch [TS]

01:19:26   i'm talking about merch now our station [TS]

01:19:29   coke mirror [TS]

01:19:30   yeah writer or a painter's cap with [TS]

01:19:33   two flaps hanging down the back oh [TS]

01:19:36   that's a great look that up from the [TS]

01:19:38   movie break into you have something I [TS]

01:19:41   mean can you like can you really come [TS]

01:19:43   back with something that you didn't just [TS]

01:19:45   didn't just buy you know because you are [TS]

01:19:48   30 and you got into drag around at some [TS]

01:19:50   later period like days right you [TS]

01:19:53   couldn't there must be a lot of like [TS]

01:19:54   signal-to-noise ratio because of ebay [TS]

01:19:56   and people making money was always [TS]

01:19:59   losing you start paper in the walls a [TS]

01:20:01   lot of shit you bought off the internet [TS]

01:20:02   and I guess that's not collecting that's [TS]

01:20:03   just that's just that's just buying [TS]

01:20:04   things and having a room [TS]

01:20:06   yeah it's like don't you go into a [TS]

01:20:07   thrift store now and that and they have [TS]

01:20:09   they all have first of all they all have [TS]

01:20:10   racks of like more expensive clothes [TS]

01:20:13   better brands as they say that brands [TS]

01:20:16   which back in the day they didn't do now [TS]

01:20:19   that you're out shirts yeah his shirts [TS]

01:20:21   go two shirts but now they have better [TS]

01:20:23   brands and what cracks me up is that now [TS]

01:20:25   so they had better brands for a while [TS]

01:20:27   but now you walk into throwing you [TS]

01:20:28   search through the better brands and [TS]

01:20:29   it's like american eagle and right and [TS]

01:20:33   old maybe in your like who are you [TS]

01:20:35   people [TS]

01:20:36   I think to be a better brand your shirt [TS]

01:20:37   should probably have been made by an [TS]

01:20:39   adult [TS]

01:20:39   yeah but that's not that's not the case [TS]

01:20:41   anymore I mean yes i agree better brand [TS]

01:20:44   implies to me that it was made by hand [TS]

01:20:46   by someone in America you're and that's [TS]

01:20:48   not a child that's not a child right huh [TS]

01:20:52   but that's not that's not the case [TS]

01:20:54   anymore old navy old maybe in the better [TS]

01:20:56   brains Bobby Hauck elections rules there [TS]

01:20:58   are some things you should familiarize [TS]

01:20:59   yourself with I'm afraid to go down this [TS]

01:21:02   rabbit hole will have a field first rule [TS]

01:21:04   of hobby haha Corrections is a little [TS]

01:21:06   talk about hobby lobby all collections [TS]

01:21:08   now closed [TS]

01:21:10   previously display collections may be [TS]

01:21:12   resubmitted after two years [TS]

01:21:13   whoa so their scarcity no selling or [TS]

01:21:16   soliciting number five no suggested [TS]

01:21:19   materials will be accepted but there are [TS]

01:21:22   some people that are better pushing the [TS]

01:21:23   envelope on that Betty Boop has there's [TS]

01:21:25   a lot of pain hallway to eat that's true [TS]

01:21:27   when we get to number six the fair [TS]

01:21:29   reserves the right to remove any [TS]

01:21:30   material from any exhibit that might be [TS]

01:21:32   objectionable that's where did very [TS]

01:21:34   poorly said material will be held in a [TS]

01:21:36   secure place until exhibit is picked up [TS]

01:21:37   at the close of the fair you can have it [TS]

01:21:39   back when we're done the exhibitor will [TS]

01:21:41   be notified imagine that convention they [TS]

01:21:43   go and grab a snare drum and go take it [TS]

01:21:44   somewhere and you can have it back at [TS]

01:21:46   the end [TS]

01:21:46   yeah because it doesn't meet their [TS]

01:21:48   standards at some painting on it there [TS]

01:21:50   was there was a guy who did a display in [TS]

01:21:53   honor of the f-4 phantom and he [TS]

01:21:56   obviously built several models of the f4 [TS]

01:21:59   which were handsome he done a good job [TS]

01:22:01   but then he had some photocopied [TS]

01:22:05   boilerplate about the f4 which is like [TS]

01:22:09   anybody anybody walking through here [TS]

01:22:12   knows all this stuff already obviously [TS]

01:22:14   right if you're gonna walk over and look [TS]

01:22:16   at the f-4 phantom display at the hobby [TS]

01:22:19   hall here [TS]

01:22:20   you already know about the f-4 phantom [TS]

01:22:22   it's that's not a thing that somebody is [TS]

01:22:24   like a look at the pigs look at the many [TS]

01:22:26   boobs look at the f4 phantoms you know [TS]

01:22:29   no it's elvis presley was a [TS]

01:22:31   rock-and-roll serie the devil you say [TS]

01:22:33   exactly same song obvious anybody here [TS]

01:22:36   that's a rookie rookie information [TS]

01:22:37   that's rookie information and you could [TS]

01:22:39   tell after a while that what it was he [TS]

01:22:41   was trying to fill up his booth because [TS]

01:22:42   all he really had was like forever for [TS]

01:22:47   that he built which is great and great [TS]

01:22:49   start but then he had a couple of like f [TS]

01:22:52   for toys like toys that you admire [TS]

01:22:54   anything that may be that guy would not [TS]

01:22:56   get a presentation he gotta be called a [TS]

01:22:58   poster you got a science fair project [TS]

01:23:00   you get this much area you get a chair [TS]

01:23:01   get a chair to sit on and hold up your [TS]

01:23:03   one good thing that's right so don't you [TS]

01:23:05   know don't go on the internet and copy [TS]

01:23:07   off somebody f4 phantom was originally [TS]

01:23:09   designed as it's like no no no tell us [TS]

01:23:12   something we don't know about the f-4 [TS]

01:23:13   phantom and and and that's what made [TS]

01:23:16   this display a little bit weird because [TS]

01:23:18   a couple of the models that he'd built [TS]

01:23:20   we're not just your standard Navy issue [TS]

01:23:22   phantom it was like these were [TS]

01:23:25   interesting that they had radar pods [TS]

01:23:27   they were weird but you know he did say [TS]

01:23:29   he did say to the maybe not everyone [TS]

01:23:32   knows that the f4 was the first aircraft [TS]

01:23:35   that was used by all the branches of the [TS]

01:23:38   service that's an interesting fact [TS]

01:23:40   interesting fact right yep it's [TS]

01:23:42   interceptor for all all bring all [TS]

01:23:45   branches for those were the days right [TS]

01:23:48   I feel like I'm kind of letting you off [TS]

01:23:50   easy i don't want to pressure you i'm [TS]

01:23:52   just looking just in large and large [TS]

01:23:53   broad swath just generally speaking [TS]

01:23:56   well first of all let me ask let's go [TS]

01:23:57   two steps 00 rule of AA bhi hall do you [TS]

01:24:01   think you want to do this would you [TS]

01:24:02   consider will you consider this [TS]

01:24:03   that's the I just don't know who my [TS]

01:24:05   audience is there it's basically the [TS]

01:24:07   population of Washington State everybody [TS]

01:24:09   comes [TS]

01:24:09   yeah there was gonna be a little people [TS]

01:24:11   that would be interested I thought for a [TS]

01:24:13   while that I was going to collect letter [TS]

01:24:14   openers that have been carved out of [TS]

01:24:16   mahogany and I have don't have them i [TS]

01:24:21   have just enough i don't have just [TS]

01:24:23   enough letter openers because with the [TS]

01:24:27   first few that I got I was like this is [TS]

01:24:29   weird [TS]

01:24:30   who would make a knife out of wood right [TS]

01:24:32   right I need to take this home and study [TS]

01:24:35   it more closely and so I took it home [TS]

01:24:37   and I studied more closely and after a [TS]

01:24:38   time I realized oh these are combat [TS]

01:24:43   knives [TS]

01:24:44   I don't think some of them are cars are [TS]

01:24:45   in correspondence knives [TS]

01:24:47   yeah these are the this is meant to sit [TS]

01:24:49   on your desk and then you open letters [TS]

01:24:50   with it so that I was like oh that's [TS]

01:24:52   interesting and then I would see them i [TS]

01:24:54   would say not not not garbage ones but [TS]

01:24:57   one that had been ones that have been [TS]

01:24:59   hand-made right and so I have just [TS]

01:25:03   enough of those but the problem is I [TS]

01:25:05   haven't I haven't gone down the rabbit [TS]

01:25:07   hole haven't sought out other letter [TS]

01:25:09   opener collectors compared notes with [TS]

01:25:12   them at this happened to me one time I [TS]

01:25:15   I've been collecting a cool ray [TS]

01:25:18   sunglasses which one of this they're [TS]

01:25:21   cheap sunglasses from the old days in a [TS]

01:25:27   raid and knock off they were made by [TS]

01:25:30   Polaroid I think and they were not they [TS]

01:25:34   were not ray bans knockoffs exactly they [TS]

01:25:37   were they were because they were cheap [TS]

01:25:41   they were you could make them in a lot [TS]

01:25:44   of different kind of crazy wacky styles [TS]

01:25:47   and so you can really collect cool ray [TS]

01:25:51   sunglasses in like it you can make a [TS]

01:25:55   very cool collection of them because [TS]

01:25:56   they're just so many of them [TS]

01:25:58   and they're very very cool-looking it's [TS]

01:26:01   that it's the perfect sort of at sea [TS]

01:26:03   thing [TS]

01:26:05   cool ray sunglasses perfect kind of [TS]

01:26:07   thing that you would find there but I [TS]

01:26:11   had a pretty good collection of cool ray [TS]

01:26:12   sunglasses I thought and was at a party [TS]

01:26:17   one day talking to a punk rock [TS]

01:26:20   photographer guy i know and i was like I [TS]

01:26:27   think he might have had some cool raise [TS]

01:26:29   hanging off of the pocket of his fifties [TS]

01:26:31   bowling shirt was like nice cooler is it [TS]

01:26:35   was like oh thanks i was like yeah I got [TS]

01:26:39   a little collection of those it was like [TS]

01:26:41   oh really now already I already knew I [TS]

01:26:45   was in trouble and I was like well yeah [TS]

01:26:49   I do actually have a pretty cool [TS]

01:26:51   collection of dozens like he also do i [TS]

01:26:57   do you wanna compare and I was like fuck [TS]

01:27:03   him on the ropes already here [TS]

01:27:04   yeah because I've got a great collection [TS]

01:27:07   of sunglasses the numbers in the [TS]

01:27:10   hundreds but i don't but they're not [TS]

01:27:11   it's not like cool ray right and he's at [TS]

01:27:15   this party he's got some hanging off of [TS]

01:27:17   the pocket of his shirt which is just [TS]

01:27:19   like a fishing lure for exactly the [TS]

01:27:24   bigmouth bass of me who wanders up and [TS]

01:27:28   is like old yummy these all pics and [TS]

01:27:32   then he's like now I've got a live one [TS]

01:27:34   he knows what these are and he thinks [TS]

01:27:35   he's he thinks he's got something to say [TS]

01:27:37   about them and so over the course of [TS]

01:27:42   knowing this guy for a long time I [TS]

01:27:44   realized that he is a true cool ray [TS]

01:27:46   collector and he has hundreds of them [TS]

01:27:49   and so I'm sending in pictures you know [TS]

01:27:52   that this is like basically like sexting [TS]

01:27:54   between middle-aged collector dudes I'm [TS]

01:27:58   like this happen to be unix that's right [TS]

01:28:01   hey you have this one and I'm not [TS]

01:28:03   sending a picture of my best pair cool [TS]

01:28:05   raise I i know enough about the scare [TS]

01:28:09   you keep your powder dry keep the powder [TS]

01:28:11   dry start way [TS]

01:28:12   up the chain I'm like what about but but [TS]

01:28:13   you know but not send him the one that [TS]

01:28:15   everybody's got right like yeah what [TS]

01:28:17   about these and he's just like sends me [TS]

01:28:19   back a picture of like 15 of them back [TS]

01:28:23   okay so then I i skipped a couple of [TS]

01:28:25   head and I'm like these ones are pretty [TS]

01:28:27   cool i'm not even trying to I'm not even [TS]

01:28:29   fronting to him anymore I'm just like I [TS]

01:28:33   I like these ones these are cool send [TS]

01:28:35   him one and he's send me back a picture [TS]

01:28:37   of that one and then the 10 iterations [TS]

01:28:39   on either side of it i'm just like i [TS]

01:28:41   don't i am beat [TS]

01:28:44   and so I go immediately I'm out of this [TS]

01:28:45   game right I go immediately to my best [TS]

01:28:48   pair and he's got those two and then in [TS]

01:28:53   desperation I take a picture of my [TS]

01:28:57   entire glasses collection and I'm like [TS]

01:29:03   and I'd I'm not I'm not throwing it down [TS]

01:29:05   like boom I'm just like well you know [TS]

01:29:09   sometimes it's hard to find all the cool [TS]

01:29:11   raise that I have interspersed amongst [TS]

01:29:13   all these other amazing glasses that I [TS]

01:29:16   have that you probably don't [TS]

01:29:17   how's your barn a collection dude you [TS]

01:29:19   know like I send him this thing and what [TS]

01:29:22   he writes back he doesn't send a picture [TS]

01:29:23   back he writes back i noticed that you [TS]

01:29:27   shot your collection from underneath [TS]

01:29:31   from the floor you laid on the floor to [TS]

01:29:34   take this picture to make your Tower of [TS]

01:29:38   glasses see more impressive and I was [TS]

01:29:41   just like oh I'm defeated utterly [TS]

01:29:45   defeated by this he didn't feel like he [TS]

01:29:48   had to come back at you [TS]

01:29:50   he didn't heat and and part of the [TS]

01:29:52   application was all of my classes [TS]

01:29:54   wouldn't even fit in a single frame [TS]

01:29:57   oh and I you know and and and basically [TS]

01:30:00   like I have a bigger fish to fry right [TS]

01:30:02   now junior and I just like that she's [TS]

01:30:06   got more important people send pictures [TS]

01:30:08   of sunglasses too [TS]

01:30:09   yeah I just slunk away i slunk away [TS]

01:30:13   yeah i yeah okay I take your point this [TS]

01:30:16   may not be the thing for you [TS]

01:30:18   what so what would you if you were if [TS]

01:30:22   somebody came in and they were like [TS]

01:30:23   listen mother we know that this isn't [TS]

01:30:24   your thing but you have to fill up a [TS]

01:30:27   booth at the fair [TS]

01:30:30   it's part of its part of your parole [TS]

01:30:32   it's part of its part of your transition [TS]

01:30:35   to the next layer to the next level [TS]

01:30:38   what would your booth would your your [TS]

01:30:41   glass case containing I don't know what [TS]

01:30:43   time i would have said zippo lighters I [TS]

01:30:45   don't have a huge collection but you [TS]

01:30:47   know I had a dozen or so I you know I [TS]

01:30:49   don't have a good current collection of [TS]

01:30:52   things that aren't just purely garbage [TS]

01:30:54   I don't have that anymore you used to [TS]

01:30:57   have [TS]

01:30:57   didn't you used to have figurines used [TS]

01:30:59   to have like like anything yeah I don't [TS]

01:31:03   have anything I don't have anything rare [TS]

01:31:04   or unusual it'll be more like if I went [TS]

01:31:07   to Target Field a few bags and then [TS]

01:31:09   happened to go to the fair and put it on [TS]

01:31:10   the table so it's not you don't have [TS]

01:31:12   like ren and stimpy in their original [TS]

01:31:13   box that type of stuff don't have [TS]

01:31:15   anything in its original box and that's [TS]

01:31:18   a good climate is fair enough cheese I [TS]

01:31:21   don't know there's a time when I [TS]

01:31:22   would've said maybe records but what [TS]

01:31:24   you're describing is so dispiriting [TS]

01:31:25   because what you're describing is kind [TS]

01:31:26   of my experience of dealing with a lot [TS]

01:31:28   of folks like this where it's why nerds [TS]

01:31:30   get a bad name is things like this where [TS]

01:31:33   there's no way that this ends that [TS]

01:31:34   anybody's actually happy like it's not [TS]

01:31:36   joyful it's not celebratory it's like [TS]

01:31:39   two guys with micro penises like [TS]

01:31:40   whipping it out as much as one can with [TS]

01:31:43   a micropenis [TS]

01:31:43   you know what I hate to disappoint you [TS]

01:31:46   or anything you know this already but [TS]

01:31:47   the zippo lighter guy [TS]

01:31:49   yeah the zippo lighter guys got 800 [TS]

01:31:53   lighters yeah right yeah and you know [TS]

01:31:56   and they're they're from Vietnam and you [TS]

01:31:58   don't want the challenge I'm trying to [TS]

01:31:59   answer the challenge i'm telling you i [TS]

01:32:01   think i would come up short [TS]

01:32:02   I'm looking around my office now i don't [TS]

01:32:04   i don't really have I don't have [TS]

01:32:06   anything useful that would interest [TS]

01:32:08   other people and definitely would not be [TS]

01:32:09   worth the kind of discussions i would [TS]

01:32:11   have to have with that with sunglasses [TS]

01:32:13   guy what about your collection of a like [TS]

01:32:18   USB 2.0 firewire card I have a pretty [TS]

01:32:23   good collection of sketchy 25 and [TS]

01:32:25   c50 you know what my zip drive by zip [TS]

01:32:28   and jazz drive collection would be very [TS]

01:32:30   useful [TS]

01:32:31   I my wonder i wonder if there's not a [TS]

01:32:34   collection right under your nose [TS]

01:32:36   let me try to get forest for the trees I [TS]

01:32:39   got a lot of really nice pencils here [TS]

01:32:40   like little kids pencils see I don't I [TS]

01:32:43   just I just feel like this is this is an [TS]

01:32:45   interesting thought technology for you [TS]

01:32:47   because it could help guide what you [TS]

01:32:50   decide to do in the future i'll just [TS]

01:32:52   point out in passing [TS]

01:32:53   there is also another ferret coming in [TS]

01:32:54   April there's a countdown of JavaScript [TS]

01:32:56   countdown of the top of the page hundred [TS]

01:32:58   ninety four days three hours 26 minutes [TS]

01:33:00   till the the LOL thats until the spring [TS]

01:33:02   fair there's a there's us a state fair [TS]

01:33:06   in the spring [TS]

01:33:07   um it says it's the spits the spring [TS]

01:33:10   fairness in JavaScript so it must be [TS]

01:33:11   true [TS]

01:33:12   huh I I guess I just never I always [TS]

01:33:15   think about right there isn't one here [TS]

01:33:16   at the exercise it could be a thought [TS]

01:33:18   technology just for you to think about [TS]

01:33:20   you don't committing you're committing [TS]

01:33:21   enough filling out the pdfs you just [TS]

01:33:23   because you know how those hard there to [TS]

01:33:24   fill out right [TS]

01:33:25   try to do that on your phone i right [TS]

01:33:28   what do they want me to fax it back to [TS]

01:33:29   him fuck you know I fight I I feel like [TS]

01:33:34   I feel like my role in life and this is [TS]

01:33:39   one of those this is one of those things [TS]

01:33:40   I'm still trying to figure out maybe my [TS]

01:33:42   duck is that I am i man appreciate her [TS]

01:33:47   like I should be a judge I was going to [TS]

01:33:51   say it seems to me you should be [TS]

01:33:52   adjudicating yes yes you should be [TS]

01:33:54   deciding who can get in [TS]

01:33:56   you should be helping them curate create [TS]

01:33:57   what they're gonna bring their oh my god [TS]

01:34:00   you would be great on the Executive [TS]

01:34:01   Board of of the Washington State Fair [TS]

01:34:03   hobby hall a facilitator a judge and an [TS]

01:34:06   appreciator chief appreciator uh-huh [TS]

01:34:08   but but the thing is i would be a pretty [TS]

01:34:10   harsh mistress right I'm gonna walk [TS]

01:34:11   around and be like yeah alright Betty [TS]

01:34:14   Boop lady up there are a lot of Betty [TS]

01:34:16   Boop's here but give me the spirit of [TS]

01:34:18   your collection give me the inner like [TS]

01:34:20   how this a reality show waiting to [TS]

01:34:22   happen [TS]

01:34:23   I don't need idea don't need to know the [TS]

01:34:25   theme because I know the theme it's [TS]

01:34:26   everybody boop but like where what is [TS]

01:34:29   special hear anything with three that [TS]

01:34:31   are going to surprise me [TS]

01:34:33   yeah where's the witches where's your [TS]

01:34:34   first we all remember our first Betty [TS]

01:34:37   Boop yes and then [TS]

01:34:39   what was the which one was the one where [TS]

01:34:41   you unleash the dragon [TS]

01:34:44   where was the you know you got to the [TS]

01:34:46   third when you get to the fourth one I [TS]

01:34:48   don't think anybody gets one Betty Boop [TS]

01:34:49   and says I'm you know what I love this [TS]

01:34:52   little thing I see and I did I was [TS]

01:34:54   somewhere out there is a carpenter's cup [TS]

01:34:55   is the one that you found where you go [TS]

01:34:57   o.o like this is haha this is the one [TS]

01:35:01   and now i realize that i have become an [TS]

01:35:03   insane person [TS]

01:35:07   alright let me take you over your booth [TS]

01:35:10   but [TS]