Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of rock on the line is [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► month they invited Mike Lawrence of pot [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► to help me say hi John [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► I John come hi Merlin that how are you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► haha hey it's a little early [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► whoo-hoo-hoo it is it's it's it's very [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► early [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► that's good you you know maybe people [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► get a different side of us when it's [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► early i think that's true i think they [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► get a side of us that isn't a quite [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► awake yet be has not had a complete [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► breakfast [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► oh where has my daughter would say a [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► complete a complete breakfast I a [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► breakfast yeah and she says breakfast so [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► much that we all now say breakfast [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► that's pretty good so when I say [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► breakfast it doesn't sound right anymore [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► breakfast [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► oh well she like eating morning well [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► I'll tell you what she doesn't like to [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► eat a hard-boiled egg and some cheese [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► and some cold cuts kind of the ideal [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► will be lost and at a German [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► bed-and-breakfast that's exactly what i [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► try to duplicate for her [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► listen you're spending the night in [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► Germany just imagine every morning we [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► wake up in Germany and here's breakfast [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► a hard-boiled egg one piece of black [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► bread [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► you don't know what made it black you [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► don't ask some cold cuts that have some [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► pistachios and then my kids but it looks [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► like Bologna but then it's got [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► pistachios in it in it and other things [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► probably always loaf except nuts [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► yeah I'll blow up with pistachios and [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► then some other cold cuts you know what [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► I was a little kid not like that [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► I you know I I can't imagine what if you [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► go to France and you order off the kids [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► menu here's the kids kids menu in France [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► steak frites the end and that's a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► probably a sirloin with that french [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► fries [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that's right and so in France what is [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► considered to be a child's meal is some [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► sort of loin and french fries and the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► little French kids don't know any [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► different and so that's what they get in [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► restaurants they don't no one gives them [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► buttered spaghetti nobody gives them [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► chicken grilled cheese sandwich chicken [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► fingers fish sticks tater tots they [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► don't get any of that they get steak [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► frites and son what can you say I mean [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► if you're a kid in Germany will he get [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► some detrimental own you're lucky you [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► didn't get a beating [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that's right that's your back yet you [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► get some kind of blood sausage and you [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► get a stove and unsalted egg and a stern [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► lecture slap that's what I got every [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► morning in Germany every time I've ever [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► been layered here's what intrigues me [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► about this i mean for myself I i feel [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► like i can blame blame myself i guess i [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► could in a larger sense playing the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► household for causing option paralysis [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► like do you want to have a good meal or [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► dizzy real or you didn't even have that [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► I know when people do that to me I get [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► overwhelmed and I'm 97 so i'm guessing [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► that has not been the case i mentioned [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► you've offered the German breakfast / [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► over many years it seems like that would [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► it would have sunk in [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► what do you think is causing the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► pushback is she developing a personality [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► and preferences what's happening uh it's [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► very you know she was very clear [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► preferences and and if i gave her any [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► option at all i would still be there i'd [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► still be sitting at the kitchen table [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► talking about all the different things [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that could be and what I have to do is [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► you know make sure there's some yogurt [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► component right because it is a German [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► breakfast we do get the option of yogurt [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► but if there's yogurt involved chili the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► yogurt and then she never saw the egg [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► yeah so I have to sit there and you know [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that she does the thing where she's like [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I only like the white part of the egg [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► yeah that's pretty normal I like the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► yellow party gets totally normal but you [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► know but but dad has to intervene and [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► say you know the best part of the egg is [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the part in between the white part and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► the yellow part eventually get the ninja [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► level we say there isn't different parts [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► of the egg there's egg the right what I [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► mean I don't see any difference between [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the and she's like look this is yellow [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► this is what no i don't see that you [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► know a little bit of fucking with her [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► yeah what do what do kids in Thailand [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► have for breakfast this is I've never [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► been to Thailand I don't know I [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► seriously do not know the answer [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► i'm gonna guess [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► probably like a rice or a soup it seems [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► like a lot of Asia there's a lot of rice [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► and soup and this is a very broad guess [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I i bet see massey part of my sense is [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that all kinds of I once the asian food [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► but I was the asian american food asian [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► american food in general feels like you [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► take the most outlandish celebration [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► food anyone that has once every 15 years [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and then make it even more celebratory [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► and you call in chinese food like like [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the idea of like Chad like two pounds of [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► chow mein with with like half a cup of [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► oil in it [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► I don't think that's the kind of thing [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that people eat everyday in China and [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► you didn't retire food for typhoon who's [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► gonna go to all that trouble who's gonna [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► who's gonna have those beautiful little [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► mushrooms in with the doc I mean the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► organ talk like that who's gonna make [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that everyday that's like that i think [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► with banquet wedding food i'm guessing [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► about my girlfriend at the time in the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► nineties went to China at one point [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► because she had decided and true sort of [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► punk rock form that she was going to [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► major in Chinese at the University and [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► whenever she was quiz by a curious [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► person you know like oh I do you intend [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► to like most people would say oh that's [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► very exciting like China is booming and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► if you have knowledge of Chinese like [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► you'll be invaluable to companies and [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► and she was just like shake her head [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► Riley at them because she wasn't taking [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► chinese for any reason that is very punk [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► rock common other than that it was hard [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► and obscure so she stopped she likely [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► black flag that's right exactly she [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► threw herself into a study of chinese [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► and like reveled in the difficulty and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► then like really it stuck to her guns [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► that she was never going to use it it [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► was never going to have an application [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► she's like Superman she only use it for [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► that's right well and i'm not even sure [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► she's ever use it for good but it for [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► her one point at one point I you know I [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► think she's now she said some like [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► eavesdropping on people she doesn't even [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► help them if they're still there to [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► chinese people standing with the map of [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► Los Angeles and they're standing on a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► street corner looking around [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► she will you know just walk right past [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► without respect much like a Chinese [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► person but and blood much like Black [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► Flag what do I find I can help you with [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► your map they gotta get in the van get [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► in the van [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► fuck you they're not what you're looking [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► at me wrong doesn't doesn't piss on you [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and that's not even you know Greg in is [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► the thing [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► don't ask for a check it's not coming [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► but I but at one point she went to China [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► and was there for six months and I and I [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► have a lot of regrets about this because [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► she would write me all the time this is [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► back when people still wrote one another [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► should say come to china i am in China [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► you are my boyfriend come to China [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► this is your big chance and at the time [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► I was like a china you know seems like a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► lot of work [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► it's a lot of work it's not it's not [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► really all you have to do is just go to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► China but it seems like a lot of work at [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► the time we get our so easy i have been [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► to Belgium like do I really have to go [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► to China keeping like hungry like you [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► can't read the signs in china so a lot [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► of work and this was prettyyou know this [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► was back when Shanghai was still like [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► all the all the buildings in Shanghai [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► were five stories tall like it if you [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► take a picture of China from this time [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► when I was when I could have gone and [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► you compare it to compare a picture of [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► shanghai from then and now they didn't [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► even resemble each other [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► shanghai now it's like they took what [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► was shanghaied and then they put dubai [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► on top of it but at the time I could [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► have gone and water around the back [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► streets of old Shanghai and you know and [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► those would be memories i would be [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► cherishing now instead of this memory [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► which is a memory of my girlfriend at [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the time being mad at me for not going [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► to china but she said that everywhere [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► she went so she was a vegetarian in [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► China to this is the other that's the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► great part is if you're going to be punk [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► rock and you're going to study Chinese [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► for no reason [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► also when you go to China make sure that [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► you are vegetarian it's something she [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► smoked and also chain-smoked yeah okay I [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► are getting a picture like this is a [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► issue with combat boots she didn't but [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► she did wear bright red lipstick and dye [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► her hair black [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► anyway so she's in China black hair [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► bright red lipstick i think the bright [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► red lipstick went away pretty fast in [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► China but the black dyed hair you know [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► you're stuck with it but she said [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► everywhere she went [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► they would you know they would invite [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► her to dinner the local people some [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► somebody would say come to dinner at my [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► apartment and they would lay out all [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► these meats and she would say and she [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► would you know kind of a you know i can [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► t mean I'm you know vegetarian [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► do you have any rice and vegetables [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► that's what I really am excited about [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► what I imagine is sort of the vegetarian [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► chinese meal which is some vegetables on [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► rice and those same she got the same [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► response everywhere which is like you're [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► a special guest we we aren't going to [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► give you our normal food right are the [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► other food that we actually eat we have [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► like we've put on a spread here and and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► basically given her what you're saying [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► american chinese food which is a huge [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► platter of of meat meat pieces and she [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► was like I just want to eat like a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► normal person don't you see that I'm [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► punk rock i just want to be a regular [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► normal person [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► normal vegetarian in China and they were [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► like a there is no such thing and be no [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► you're a special guest here right we we [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► went out and we we killed two ducks for [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► so she is not a vegetarian anymore i [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► really don't know how to end this story [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► no you don't need to i got less that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► jump in on here first of all I want to [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► just point out that I just I few minutes [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► ago did something that I hate which is [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► talking about an incredibly large group [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► of people don't talk about racism just [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► talk about being a dumbass like I'm here [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► it's my reckon about how half of the the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► of earth eats right yeah you really want [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► one and a half billion people anybody [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► ever said that about America let alone [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► about Seattle like you can't draw those [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► kinds of broad conclusions [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► here's how Americans are you ready ready [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► yeah waffles [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► mhm and a spaghetti noodles and we'll [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► instant coffee all Americans eat that [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► everyday and i think also [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► you're kind of famous for drinking lots [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► of soft drinks I've been thinking about [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► this a lot when we were kids did we not [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► drink a lot of soft drinks i drank tons [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► of softwares you probably saw something [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► i did probably in the new york times [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► about the incredible precipitous drop in [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► the amount of soft drinks that young [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► people are drinking i did read that [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► article and I thought about the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► innumerable six-packs of dr.pepper that [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► I consumed growing up it was just I mean [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► you know what your lies and soft drinks [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► were the smoking of childhood when I was [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► a kid you know if you're if you were a a [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► an adult and you're anywhere where there [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► hopefully was not too many combustible [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► things you were smoking inside outside [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► bed church whatever you're just always [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► smoking and it's kinda like that with [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► softness you show up somewhere and you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► see hey you want a coke give somebody a [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► coke [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► yeah right or you you're at school [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► there's a there's a Coke machine in the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► hall you'd stop on your way between [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► classes and get a coke [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► that was a weird thing because I mean I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► remember coming up especially in ohio [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► where it was [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► I can't even begin to tell you I mean [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► now it's been 40 years so it's not [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► surprising that there's been changes but [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you know for example i can not only [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► could you not wear shorts but you were [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► discouraged from wearing jeans like [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► we're expected to wear like pants to [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► school [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► what's real you to our genes you could [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► but you know that's cool you should wear [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► trousers you were definitely never in a [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► million years allowed to chew gum there [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► was there was stuff you had to do [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► fifth-grade you're gonna learn to play [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► the recorder how about that its fifth [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► grade gonna order a far from there's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► something so i got my dad wants this [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► surely must still be teaching the [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► recorder Oh music is Who music is like [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► half of a room over here like it's not a [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► thing anymore but I'm but was appointed [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► all this you know certainly all of that [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► has changed but then and and my god the [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► idea of having like you have cookies and [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► shit like nobody cares like but it's [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► weird how all that has changed where you [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► would never have soft drinks at school [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► and then fast-forward to florida in the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► mid-eighties and that's when we first [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► got we had a Coke machine at our school [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► and i'm given to believe that that was [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► partly revenue-based I think you know [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► the rev share on stuff like that yeah [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► they're trying to make up for the fact [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► that the the tax base no longer [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► supported that was that was beginning [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► then and now today [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► flash forward to where we are now and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► least here in San Francisco means all [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► kinds of stuff about this place that's I [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► mean could you ever imagine that there [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► would be an LGBTQ community dinner for [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► the school district where their children [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► teachers and parents LGBTQ parents would [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► come together at a picnic could you [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► imagine that in the nineteen eighties [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► for the seventies or the nineties where [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► the two thousand i love you i love that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► exists it makes me happy to see that in [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► the newsletter but now today like you [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► are just it's so weird and so oddly [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► applied you're not supposed to bring [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► sugar to school at all it's it's not [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► quite like smoking but you're not you're [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► not supposed to bring sugary stuff you [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► know that they're very clearly say the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► beginning of the year you know hey if we [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► want to celebrate a birthday here's how [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► well do it [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► please don't bring gift bags pretty [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► please don't bring sugar part of its a [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► scalability issue but I think a lot of [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► its a consistency issue and it's [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► definitely a health issue they just [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► don't want it to be that like we were I [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► mean there was just sugar everywhere [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► when we were kids [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► everybody was always eating sugar all [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the time the street though the road to [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► school was paper sugar it was or you [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► could just go to the convenience store [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and I think you know pound-for-pound [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► stuff was cheaper back then you could in [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► your sub dollar price range get a shit [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► ton of candy know yet but well you know [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► and that was my sister and I had a very [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► very different relationship to money [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► right if if we were each of us were [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► given 50 cents she would immediately go [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and buy fifty cents worth the smarties [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► which would fill the trunk of a car and [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► i would put the fifty cents in a shoebox [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► oh yes your collector that's right and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► so then we would get another fifty cents [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► and she would get fifty cents with the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► smarties and I were in our fifty cents [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► worth of wax lips or those little-little [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► whatever bye wax lips they're so dumb [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► remember those little wax coax book coke [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► bottles that had tiny little sugar fluid [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► is the worst of both worlds it's bad wax [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► bad coke [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► except except that you you know you to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► the way I top off and then you get a [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► little bit of coke it was before that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► was before that bubblegum that had [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► squirty liquid inside [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► oh yeah it was fresh plaster or whatever [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► they call ya their fruit fruit fruit [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► fruit fruit years it was the only thing [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► where it's only thing you could you [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► could bite into the got that same [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► technology that God squirting squirting [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► sugar liquid in your mouth which is a [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► great feeling [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► mhm but yeah so then at the end of you [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► know our childhoods she had only the [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► experience of eating as much candy as [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► she could get her hands on and I had the [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► experience of having a shoebox full of [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► nickels dimes and quarters nice and [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► which one who you know who else is [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► living a fuller life [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► oh my goodness I couldn't begin to guess [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► I'd have to ask your mom I don't know I [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► don't know my mom is a good gauge of [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► which one of us my sister and i are [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► living a fuller life to say getting [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► emails from your mom is a delight of my [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► life [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► he's such a thorough person I loved her [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► thoroughness she's very thorough and you [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► know she wakes up in the middle of the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► night sometimes and sends emails and of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► course i'm often up in the middle of the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► night so one of the great surprises is [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► to get an email from her in the middle [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► of the night where she's decided that [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► she wants she has she has some [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► information on The Hermitage in st. [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► Petersburg and she wants more [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► information so she's done some research [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► and this is what she's discovered but [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it's raised some questions and she's not [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► sure she's research those questions as [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► best she can [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► so she puts all that information in [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► email and then she has some questions [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► for me maybe I can help her fill in the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► gaps [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► wow nice and sometimes it's a little bit [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► overflow you're still having the [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► previous day and she's got you got a [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► late start on the previous day she's got [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► an early start on the next day as a nice [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► sweet little Venn diagram around four in [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the morning [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► yeah right exactly where she's like what [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► is so explain to me how the nations of [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► Central America all ended up with their [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► current borders and I'm like whoa uh [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► okay well let me mix like me some coffee [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► little uh you know and the thing is [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► she's not expecting a response right [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► away she's thinking that that's going to [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► greet me in my inbox when I wake up in [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the morning and she's forgetting a then [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► I don't wake up in the museum in the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► coolest look more unless I'm under [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► duress and be that yeah I'm gonna get [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► this i'm gonna reply to it and then so [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► we have these email conversations in the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► absolute middle of the night about these [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► you know these questions or you know or [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► what this is the other great thing that [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► she does she makes a decision she makes [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► a decision which is sometimes um [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► normal sounding decision like I'm going [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► to sell my car and buy a some kind of [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► natural gas car and so I'm getting my [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► car ready to sell in order to buy a [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► natural gas-powered car and I need you [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► to you know to detail the hubcaps for me [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► or something like that sounds normal [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► it's not it's motivated by some crazy [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► like four in the morning like I'm gonna [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► sell my car and buy a car was it seems a [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► sensible because she's talking about [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► understandable logistics but you never [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► got the chance to talk about you know [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the fact that she just decided to sell [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► her car in the middle of the night [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► Yeah right right so but it but it would [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► read as a normal email and then there [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► are others where she wakes up the middle [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► of the night and she's just like i have [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► decided never to go into a building made [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► of brick again because of outgassing and [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► here's why [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► then she will explain that but you know [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that there there's something about [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► there's something about brick that is a [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► you know that's either offensive or [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► untenable or she doesn't support it [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► she no longer supports brick because big [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► brick is running the world and uh and [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► you know retro actively she's gonna go [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► back and erase all the brick building [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► she's ever been in and you know and she [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► doesn't expect my support in this she [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► just expects adjusted this is an [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► informational email she's coming out [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► yeah where I'm just coming out as being [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► against big brick [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► yeah I'm not expected to say yes or no I [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► just this is a courtesy email sometimes [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► those are very long and then I Tennessee [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► you know so i read that the elemental [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► sent me another email like I hope you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► read my last email and I and in general [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► fruit most of those I just I just let [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► them go without comment and and mother [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► for the most part they solve themselves [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► nothing you need to do about it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► just then right because you know i mean [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► i can't speak in this case for your mom [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► but in some cases when somebody's having [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► i don't know i don't confuse state but [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► when they're having some kind of a an [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► incident [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► sometimes you know you you may not even [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► want to initially be super supportive [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► you want to write it out its like the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► person who suddenly decides they're [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► breaking up with their spouse like the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► last thing you want to do is go good [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► never liked right right never never do [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► yeah we're trying are trying to [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► intervene in any way you just want to [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► just do you don't even not you just move [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► your head slightly in a circle kind of [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► like a book Bulgarian person says yes [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► you just sort of move your head around [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► this is where I wish we could just do [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► certain like sort of some kind of what i [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► call control words that I wish we could [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► use with people where sometimes I really [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► wish [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► ack were a standardized response to [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► your turn but bill the cats signature [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► line act no its act without an ! [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► somebody says a temp job I i want to [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► know your thoughts about how chemtrails [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► are affecting our ability to overturn [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► gun laws and my response that would be [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► act which i think in in the world of of [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► radio communications it's just to say [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► that i received your message [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► mhm that's really all i have to say i [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► have absolutely nothing to say i just [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► wanna let you know that it got through [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► mms not even necessarily is implied [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► thank you i'm doing really thank you i'm [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► just saying your message arrived and it [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► has i processed [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► yeah I somebody lectured me on the last [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► Joe Cruz somebody pulled up a chair and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► was like I just wanted to say that I'm [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► very concerned about blank [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► and it was it was in it it was an [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► attempt on their part to to make the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► story about them and get some attention [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► and at the end of their you know little [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► sort of mini lecture I leaned forward [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► and I said thank you for your message [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► and it was and that's a really good [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► response [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► it was really wonderful they were very [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► confused and and you know and ask a [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► couple of follow-up questions and i [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► think i said i just am glad that you [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► feel safe enough to send me to give me [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► this message [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► i watch some people and their [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► interactions with people other people [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► and some people just seem to have I [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► don't know it's some kind of almost [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► magical ability to not get into a [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► thistle with people when you know [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► sometimes people were you know I I have [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► friends that even when they agree with [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► you sound like they're arguing with you [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► there's other kinds of people that sound [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► really tuned out like they didn't [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► actually hear it but people LLC in some [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► cases politicians who are really good at [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► having an interaction with somebody that [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► combines that Obama likely a Clinton [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► like ability to have empathy and Obama [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► like ability to say like you know I i [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► understand you know I i I'm gratified by [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► the intelligence of your thought [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► combined with the John Hodgman thing of [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like we're pretty much done here you [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► know but they could put all those [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► together and you've got the super person [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► of communication where you're ready to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► accept and be this is kind of also where [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► I could wish i could say God bless you [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► and you better not at all the great [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► because it isn't a great response [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► god bless you bless you like somebody [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► pulls up a chair that concerns you say [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► god bless you god bless you god bless [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► you for bless you for saying it's got [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► but you just got bless you [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► yeah I don't have the ability to to do [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that either i'm i'm getting in I'm [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► allowing myself to get involved in fewer [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► practices track-by-track I am um and [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► part of that is is yeah learning that [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► kind of ninja like that you know [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► thank you thank you for trusting me with [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► your comments like that's kind of what [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► you're saying thank you for trusting me [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► with your trusting me that i will value [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► your comments [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► and you know it's very much like ack [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► although you know I'm starting to think [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► about ack i think of act as a bill the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► cat [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► yeah absolutely but that's a key ! but i [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► bet you there are a lot of our listeners [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► who immediately thought of Kathy of [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► course [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► so which act is the which act as the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► canonical act i think we got a problem [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► here we got wet a lot and why they [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► called a term of art it's going to mean [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► very different things in very different [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► places [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► sure a kathy ack and build a cat attack [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► communicate entirely different [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► yeah one with Kathy that's what back [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► back because she's having some kind of [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► an existential moment [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► oh she's trying I'm just trying on [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► bathing suits yeah [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Irving is not calling her no ack ack and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► then with bill it's more like a crack [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► right ladies got a hairball up and i [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► doubt kathy had that many hairballs but [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► which one you know which one is closer [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► yours yours has no ! not quite a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► hairball ack but but you're not worried [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► about Irving either i'm on the way I [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► think we might have talked about this [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► several years ago but i'm on the page [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► for voice procedure which as you know it [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► is a very interesting wikipedia page [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► here i want to talk about some fine [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► distinctions here in my sweat but I hate [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► to interrupt but I swear to God I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► thought you were about to say i'm on the [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► page for Kathy I thought you were gonna [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► say that you were part of a newsgroup or [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► some kind of anything even got the [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► t-shirt [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► i'm on the rage like Addie it up [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► he's a mod for the really Kathy page ok [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► so anyway if you're the stage well let's [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► let's close the thread if you go to [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► Wikipedia disambiguation page for AXA [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► the last entry on the pages see also [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► Kathy really ok so let me I'm gonna go [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► through a few of these and I'm doing [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► what in academics is called [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► problematizing i'm gonna give you a few [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► different words that all mean things you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► ten-four means message received [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► I understand okay all right now we also [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► got affirmative which means yes right [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you got that for example come in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► which means you can start speaking now [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► you've got Roger which says i have [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► received all the last transmission and [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► then let's make the distinction that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► people don't make wilco isn't it will i [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► owe their yes with an employee you don't [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► need to say Roger Wilco because Roger is [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► implied in a wilco so if you say wilco [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► it means I got your message and i will [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► comply with it so maybe again now maybe [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► I'm being a little bit fancy here but I [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► think there's a big difference between [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► 10-4 affirmative cop come in in the case [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► is saying like I understand you keep [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► talking [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► wilco vs roger i think they're all [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► different things [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► these could be things we use in [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► day-to-day conversation that could [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► really help a lot if we all adapted the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► subtleness of this [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► yeah the problem is that roger has [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► turned into yes i agree like high-five [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and right and 10 for has turned into yes [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► i agree you know you if somebody says [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► something to you and you save tension or [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► everything you know everything will go [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► with applied Roger that's right [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► everything exactly right everything has [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► become a wilco except for one [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► well you know I had a friend used to say [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► copy copy means I heard what you just [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► said yeah I copy [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that's very copy similar to 10 for it [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► sounds like it's similar to 10 4 or [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► similar to Roger and but copy retains i [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► think a little bit of it's a little bit [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► of the ambiguity of like I he I register [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► your transmission but i'm not you know [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► that but i but i bypass no judgment copy [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► boy here's one I love the definition of [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► this one I can give you that the term [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► you the definition to confirm that you [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► have received and understood the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► contents of the transmission so far you [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► know you say Roger so far [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► Rogers so far how handy would that be on [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the choco cruise i have never heard [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► Roger so far out in the wilderness no [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► one has ever done was supported there's [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► several of these involving if you're [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► actually if you really using this and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► another there's a there's a reason they [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► use all these and they mean different [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► things and like what's the one in [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► artillery that you don't want to get [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► wrong as it go ahead [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► uh-huh it but I think in artillery if [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► you say go ahead and believe it's go [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► ahead if you say that over the radio [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► that means you are free to fire it will [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► at the last position that we fire [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► go ahead and go ahead yeah you want to [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► avoid that is it go ahead or is it again [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► come again or something like that anyway [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► we talked about pan-pan we talk about [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that one before [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► ready to copy but the idea is if you're [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► sitting there and you're flying your [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► your your aircraft you know you don't [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► have a lot of free hands there's that [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► there is information that has to be [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► passed along you know you don't always [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► have the dr strangelove machine in the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► file uh folders so sometimes you gotta [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► write stuff down I'm just saying Roger [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► so far I kind of like that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► Roger so far right so far right there's [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► so much there so there's so much that we [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► could we could benefit I think from [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► returning to the age of military radio [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► my god on how Henry is how great is this [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► Roger far messages lasting over 20 [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► seconds are prefixed by the pro word [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► long message long message so you let [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► people now grab a chair [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it's ready a long message and then you [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► say Roger so far that's right uh there's [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► more to this tweet 739 so so I yeah I [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► wonder you know tweets are very much in [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► this vein of of like Telegraph Telegraph [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► messages but there are no exclamation [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► points in military radio huh right you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► never never again we're back to the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► punctuation how do you say I mean how do [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► you say stat which is a which is [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► something you say in an emergency room [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► you don't say that on over the radio but [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► how do you say like this is urgent and [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► mash or possibly helping heroes you [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► would say it has on the double [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► on the double or she now if your dad who [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► served in World War two [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► Snell ever get our dad used to say that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► sergeant schultz with dads who served in [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the European theater might have said [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► Chanel [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► uh my dad was in the in the Pacific [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► Theater and so did not ever say Chanel [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► never seen my pile [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► shall I heard I heard those things ? [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► showers with these to yell at the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► beatles haha i had you know I was [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► friends when I was a little kid not [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► little but like when I was in grade [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► school in Seattle I had two friends twin [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► boys Thomas and Peter and their father [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► had served in world war two with the [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Germans and was a doctor and their house [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► was very very interesting [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► he was a he was a distant man with a [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► beard which was unusual at the time so [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► he brought home a little bit of Germany [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► back to the household [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that's right and his and his wife was [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► germany with it was a very German family [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► and toms and Peter spoke fluent German [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► and English and would would go in and [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► out of German in English sort of [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► unconsciously was the first time i've [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► ever seen that they were both good [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► friends they had a marklin n scale train [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► set that that may be duplicated their [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► father's hometown it was the most [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► incredible thing you know I'd seen h/o [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► trains sounds like an amazing charlie [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► kaufman movie it was fantastic just [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► fantastic there there and they had a [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► very sort of n is n scale the kind of a [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► little one little one that fits inside [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► of a walnut [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► it's not as easy scale but it's a 10 [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► skills it's a little bit bigger than the [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► academia every kind of that there was [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► that i used to be i could name every [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► scale train that would fit inside and [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► get HL HL fancy I'm but they had one of [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► those houses sort of a Brady Bunch house [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► but it was perched on a hillside which [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► was covered with trees and mosses and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► northwest Brady Bunch house and Peter [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► Thomas XD so they had one of those lives [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► with their father would give them old [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► radios at and all you know he would find [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► old electronic stuff and give it to them [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and they had a soldering gun and they [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► would take apart electronic things and [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► rebuild them into other things [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► and as a kid you know as a as a 78 year [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► old kid they just seems like a miracle [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► workers they could speak multiple [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► languages they have these crazy little [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► trains they could rebuild radios and you [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► know I was I was the same age as them [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► and and smart like them but I was like [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► putting on my mother's lipstick and [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► sitting in the sandbox covering my head [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► with sand like I was completely i was [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► completely useless relative to them [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► right they could repair they could have [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► prepared a jeep and I but I looked like [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► a bipolar person having once throughout [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► my entire child had had no you had no [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► useful skills unless you were unless you [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► were doing like an all kid version of [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► rocky horror picture show and then I [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► could I could play any role Thomason [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► Peter and I looked them up later [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► I look I went found them again when we [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► were all kind of young adults and they [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► were like in a fraternity and they were [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► wearing tank tops it was so confusing [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► you know I really wanted to run really [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► wanted to find them and they were like [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► in a laboratory but they had they made [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► some they made a transition in a [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► different direction they were there were [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► in tank tops with where you were friends [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► with somebody that ended up in a tank [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► mom [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► mmm let me think [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► well i have to tell you uh I came up at [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► a time when it was much more acceptable [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► for everyone to wear a tanktop we did [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► not call them wife beaters they work [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► tank tops and really this is a not so [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► long before the era of the half shirt [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► but I war tank top my friend John war [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► tank top my we all wear tank tops what [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► you did in the late seventies the tank [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► top was a look i enjoyed tank tops I [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► really did until I became [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► until I became husky oh and a tank top [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► is not a good look on a husky kid can i [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► get like sort of a philip seymour [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► hoffman Boogie Nights kind of look [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► yeah thank you that's exactly right and [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► I did not want I didn't want that but up [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► until that port i was very protective pi [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► have some great i had great tank tops [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► and a yellow stripe tank top I had maybe [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► I had to take up with a baseball player [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► on it you know they were they were good [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► were good trips i had a generalized [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► problem with sleeveless shirts where I [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► could get away with the tank-tank what [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► tank tank tank top ten I was actually [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► technically what I was 10 or 11 but as [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► soon as I started to smell [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► I think I really benefited from shirts [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► they had more cloth you're saying when [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► you when you came into your agency my [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► special time and started to produce [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► pheromonal so yes you got but also i was [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► a sweater so it when I wore my Joey [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► Elliott my off-brand Joe Elliott def [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► leppard british flag shirt with no [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► sleeves i mean i would ruin that thing I [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► had some some big some big pit stains on [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► did you really wear a sleeveless british [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► flag t-shirt [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► yeah there's one kid in my school that [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► wore a sleeveless British like t-shirt [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► his name is Ernie Dumas key [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► ok and and I remember to this day i felt [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► like it was a bold choice he was that [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► part of a choice in 1983 well in Alaska [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► the sleeplessness was right away like [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► even the fact that i was war at that I [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► was wearing boat shoes with no socks [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► which is totally equivalent like a top [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► sider like a top sider like a [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► red-colored top-sider with no socks it's [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► 20 degrees below zero outside and there [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► there's five feet of snow on the ground [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► but I'm wearing this like like Nantucket [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► style [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► because that's what you know that's what [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► I would that those were the poor choices [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► I was making Ernie was wearing a British [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► flag sleeveless t-shirt also a poor [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► choice also a little culturally [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► appropriate m.o.b point-to-point but [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► from my from my top siders with no socks [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► perspective it just felt like you know [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► what exactly are you [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► what exactly are you reppin Ernie he [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► could have easily turned the tables on [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► me and said what are you reppin both of [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► us should have been in Shirelles with [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like you know with Parker's on but here [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► we are both like wrapping some kind of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► other climbers we called not yet the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► Alaskan standoff [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► yeah right guys an inappropriate guard [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► who's gonna go down first [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► who which one which one is going to cop [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► to the fact that they are fashion victim [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► em high school fashion victim and not [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► dressed appropriately and those get you [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► know the kids that came to school in [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► bunny boots and and like foul like US [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► military foul weather gear [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► those were the only people that were [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► actually dressed appropriately but when [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► we heap scorn on them because it you [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► know their their fathers had obviously [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► their fathers were based at Elmendorf [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► and they were wearing like a [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► military-issue winter clothes [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► it was it was pretty sad from again from [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the perspective of somebody in red boat [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► shoes with no socks [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► well i don't think i'm going to ridicule [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► I don't think it's pretty cool [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► well it wasn't cool then it would be [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► cool now it seemed poor its import yeah [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► and that was you know like that was it [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► that was big will to see porno magazines [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► yes and a lot of people worked really [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► hard to not look for but you know what [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► became the costume of the coolest kids [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► later which is unwashed dark denim [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► rolled up at the cuffs boots [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► hair that was kind of long in front [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► short and back and dark rimmed buddy [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► holly glasses cool look and some kind of [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► black t-shirt or some kind of shirt of [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► you know we're in a white oxford shirt [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► you know that is an extremely cool look [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► and by the time I was out at the end of [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► high school [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► it had it had appeared again or it was [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► recognized as cool but when i first [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► started in high school when like the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► fashion was jeans super tight jeans that [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► had been bleached and you know like if [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► you showed up in unwashed Levi's know [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► with cuffs you can bet you could buy [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► stuff and I remember the county seat in [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► florida that one of the denim outlets [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you could buy this stuff that depending [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► on how washed-out you want your jeans to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► be you could buy your let's talk about [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► it then [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► very cheap unwashed 50 once tossed them [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► in with some of this stuff and get this [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► really square looking fake faded look [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► after a couple of washes yeah right i [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► mean fiber ones were 19 bucks you talked [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► about this i think on your program with [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► Dan and I'm in the same boat i recently [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► bought a new pair of 50 ones and and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► it's the same deal its virtually [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► impossible to figure out which one's [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► your supposed to get and even still [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► there i think they're 50 bucks yeah I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► mean it's like it's a little bit like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► converse converse used to be ten dollars [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► a pair $20 pair i'm so mad at levis that [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► I can't even the can't even talk and is [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► so much to be mad about with Levi's [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► right now but but i but i but i am a i'm [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► so i'm so mad I just taken i took your [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► story so anyway you were wearing the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► wrong thing at the wrong time what [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► you're wearing eventually kinda came [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► well that's the thing you just looked [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► like your mom dressed you and you were [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► poor right if you were just wearing [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► unwashed Levi's that were rolled up at [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► the cuffs [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► it just was it just indicated that you [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► lived in an unheated house and and you [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► know and that's the way that's the kind [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► of the way I was set to school and then [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► later on when that became a symbol of [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► like mega cool i didn't change anything [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I just rolled right into the future but [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► but I don't think I don't think young [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► people today even people a little bit [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► younger than us can remember a time when [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► the geek look the nerd look the nerve [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► especially the nerd rock-and-roll [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► crossover when none of that had happened [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► and nerd was actually shorthand for poor [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► and it was a thing you you tried to [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► avoid at all costs [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► it had a lot tied up in it and in fact I [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► mean if you look at a lot of the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► mid-eighties sort of john hughes ish [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► movies from the early to mid eighties [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► you can really see that being played out [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► people who looked like he was playing [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► with guys named James you know guys on [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► the Black Widow Spader james spader yeah [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► that Spader I mean Spader apart from [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► looking like he's 30 years old in that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► movie he looks the way that a lot of [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► cool kids did look at the time what we [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► would then maybe have called preppy I [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► mean but that that look of like heavily [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► self-consciously branded sportswear was [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► was the way to go and look for the girls [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► in my case like it was good they would [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► go to I like a spree there's a lot of a [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► spree where oh yeah so you get you know [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► what I mean you get like the like not [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► the kind of clam diggers then or you get [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► this the striped shirts and get the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► candy shoes and multiple bracelets and [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► that was the whole thing but you [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► wouldn't look like a farmer [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► no you didn't you wanted to I mean at [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► I can't I can't go back enough as I [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► thought about this sometimes I wish I [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► could go back and stand in the student [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► center of my school and watch the kids [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► go by and see them with my current eyes [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► rather than with my afflicted eyes the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► afflicted eyes of teenage life [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► we're just like you know loser cool kid [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► loser stoner cool kid loser [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► I don't even see that kitty such a loser [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► you know like there was so much of that [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► in the in the cult in my culture in high [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► school [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► and I was you know and I was terrified [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that I was a loser and I didn't did I [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► never succumbed to the to the brand [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► thing or like I'm not going to be a [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► loser I'm in a dress right and i'm going [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► to feather my hair whatever but i would [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► but you know like my my way of [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► communicating to people that I wasn't a [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► loser was that I carried a copy of The [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► Wall Street Journal tucked under my arm [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and nothing says loser more than a high [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► school kid walking around with an unread [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► copy of The Wall Street Journal [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► secularism but I was convinced that that [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► was the talus man that was going to [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► protect me against other teens because [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► they're gonna be like wood was that who [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► loser and I would be like well I'm just [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► checking my stocks we'll see who's the [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► loser one day [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► hmm and the loser one day is still me I [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► still you know how many stocks guy [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► Germany kids breakfast so I looked up [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the last name of Thomas and Peter just [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► wondering what's going on with them [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► because it was entirely possible that [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► those guys could have gone on to you [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► know own Microsoft or something [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► I think I think if they if they owned [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► microsoft I would have heard of it but i [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► found one of the first links was to a [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► German General in world war two who was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler no [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► way and i'm wondering it's a fairly [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► uncommon name and i'm just i'm wondering [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► if the the boys and their father were [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► some sort of like the son of this guy or [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the nephew of this guy certainly would [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► have left the country left the country [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► and and you know been welcomed in [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► America and it started a new life here [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► but yeah I mean he won the Iron Cross [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► and war one [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► you know he's one of those old prussian [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► guys who was never a Nazi right they [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► were they were they were in the Army [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► right yeah so interesting I never really [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► researched that before I always wondered [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► about that family stone that so it is in [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► their family huh mark one trains i [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► decided not very long ago I was gonna go [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► to the hobby store and get really [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► interested in trains [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► oh really and I was like I'm gonna build [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► a marklin train set this time not not [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► some a chode garbage on the matter has [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► expressed an interest in becoming a [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► trained person and and you haven't liked [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► enthusiastically run to your we don't [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► have a lot of square footage at the [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► house but what happens when the flax as [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► you do and there's this thing she's been [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► wanting to get it's actually it's kind [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► of cool they have a little like a little [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► spinner rack of these different packages [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of what I was just an easy way to [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► describe it is imagined you wanted to [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► make your scale train set look like [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► stuff so you can buy corn stalks you can [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► buy trees you can get you know get apple [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► trees you can get orange trees you can [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► get you know all these different kinds [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► of things and you make any of these [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► little like little layouts that isn't [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► yeah and I mean it'sit's you can use it [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► for lots of different things I don't [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► even know what scale but she was so [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► thrilled to get a few of those and put [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► it together and now I think she's coming [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► to trains via set-dressing basically [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► she's interested he's most interested in [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► where she puts the cornstalks but trains [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► are definitely beginning to enter into [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the discussion and so what scale are you [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► starting with um I mean off the top of [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► my head I don't know if it's a specific [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► scale but it looks like it would be [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► closer to end I mean the cornstalks are [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like it less than an inch i right okay [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► so i think that's a good I think that's [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► a good plan if I had it all to do over [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► again even though h 0 is the standard [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► but settles HR the big one HR not know [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► that anything really big ones are like [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Lionel big big scale and a lot to learn [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► but uh yeah the thing is that that pho [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► is kind of the one that looks like a [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► train set just looks like you don't even [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► register that it's a scale because it is [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► seems like trains at scale I get it yet [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► but like I have the smaller scales like [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► n scale i just think it's perfect [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► because it's small enough that you can [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► it's big enough that you can still make [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► very detailed things and I think in some [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► ways the detail looks more authentic [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► because it's just examine down and kinda [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► looks the coolest n is 1 2 160 is one [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► below and called Z yes he is too small [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► 12 to 24 HR is what I remember so H oh [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► here it looks like his 11 287 all the [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► way to g g which is 12 22 which is just [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that's asinine that's 2g you could you [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► even use your cat could ride the train [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► right that would be super cute [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► it'd be really cute but you have to do [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► is you have to tape the cat into the [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► time if you had one of those like if you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► had a little dog but that also suffered [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► from ennui you know like a little dog [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► that was sort of depressed and not like [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► at like a skittish link on and found its [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► back right now exactly you could maybe [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► that maybe I could ride around in the g [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► train you got you got if you got a fair [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► amount of square footage in that place [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► you you could you could have a train set [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► yeah I couldn't end and i have not ruled [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► it out but I feel like the end scale is [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► the way that you get a tabletop train [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► set that still has enough set dressing [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► because within a chode said if you're [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► probably gonna build an oval on a tree [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► on a tabletop that's all you're going to [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► get the trains just going to go around [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► in a circle [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► oh yeah all the room you have you [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► wouldn't have to do any cool stuff you [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► would need to have it would have [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► stations and towns and waters and stuff [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► like that bridges and switches you needs [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► here's the thing train set is all about [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► the switching like I know you are you [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► get into it through the set-dressing a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► lot of people do a lot of people get [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► into it through the like oh it's cute [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► little cute train then you build an [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Overland trains ooman around build a [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► little town but then when you think I [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► need to study to get a switch here and [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► build another bill that building so the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► Train can sometimes go on this other [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► track that's when the madness sets in [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► and it seems like you're never done [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► I mean part part of the fun of it is [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that it would just go on and on forever [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah you build it forever you're always [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► tearing it down you're always like oh [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► you know I'm gonna redo this little [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► corner of the Train Set make it you know [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► make the waterfall more realistic or you [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► know I never really liked like but my [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► challenge was in the town scenes and [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► that and I think anybody that's ever [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► done a diorama of a town is going to [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► recognize this problem which is how do [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► you place the pretend cars on the [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► pretend road where they look like actual [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► traffic and not like how do you space [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► them apart from one another so that they [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► don't look like a kid just came in and [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► put the cars evenly spaced right how do [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► you make it look naturalistic that it's [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► that it's traffic right that [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► yeah there's a rookie a rookie mistake [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► they just set this stuff down without [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the goal how they pull out of that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► parking space [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► exactly how do you make it look like how [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► to make it come alive and not look stage [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and then that's a huge challenge in [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► modeling especially if you're if you're [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► going to go the whole hog into a diorama [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► i went to the state fair this year and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► walked through the the displays and you [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► know there are whole there's a whole [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► area of the state fair where people put [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► their little dioramas that they've made [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► but also people just display their [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► collections there was a there was a guy [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► that's really just is bring your stuff [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and put it out [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► yeah that's very healing there's a guy [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► that I know it was a guy had to be good [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► there's like stagecraft to it is put [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► away your stone there's a little bit of [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► stagecraft he had the temerity to to [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► display his collection of pendleton [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► shirts and he like he did a whole [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► display like la my collection of [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► Pendleton's and I stood there marveling [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► at this thing because they were great [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► Pendleton [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► it was a beautiful display he had [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► 20-plus Pendleton's when I was like I [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► could fill this barn if the standard is [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► if you have 20 Pendleton's here you're [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► entitled to go to the state fair to [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► arrange them in a display I was like [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► first of all my candlestick display [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► would win Best in Show le just any more [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► questions like how many should i bring [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► yeah my globe display like you know [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► look out I could probably I could [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► probably match that guy with a Pendleton [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► display and i'm walking around this [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► thing it's like all the normal ones [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► where oh this person I you know I'm not [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► gonna I'm not going to generalize about [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► who they might be but this person has [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► collected only butter jars that are [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► shaped like pigs [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► huh like butter like little covered [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► butter dishes that are shaped like like [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► two pigs in love or whatever and they [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► are able to fill up an entire display [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► with with the butter dish shaped with [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► butter dishes of different sizes shapes [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► like two pigs in love and you think [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► that's spectacular like that is more [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► that's monomaniacal and I give it to you [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► but then the display where it's just [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► like every kind of betty boop doll that [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► you can find ya where where it's not [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► that we're it's not weird enough like 22 [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► digs in love that's a theme and then [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► that's what that would be a life's work [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► John right but to limited to butter [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► dishes like okay you are on you are on [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► something or you are onto something and [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► that the where the line is between on [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► something and onto something [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► it's you know it's just it seems very [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► small but it's but it's like I am always [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► trying to find where the break point is [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► there between on something onto [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► something so I'm walking around this [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► thing and I'm like where would my if I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► were going to go to the state fair and [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► put something down here like what would [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it be and how would I blow their minds [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► how would I how would I indicate that i [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► am onto something and not just on [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► something and then I gotta come around [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► the corner and there's a guy who [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► as a collection of snare drums and it's [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and it fills a wall and I when I walk [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► over to various very slowly and you know [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► it's one of these things where when you [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► pan back in the in the film you know all [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► the other people are moving around very [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► fast they're stopping and looking at [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► stuff they're all in fast motion and I [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► am in regular motion you can all it i'm [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► building commission can visualize this [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► i'm walking over to the drums and I'm [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► like what the fuck is this like is this [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► a bunch of junk or is this the most [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► amazing thing I've ever seen and as I [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► get closer I realized that it is amazing [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► that this guy has old black beauties he [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► has he has 25 different lucite snares of [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► different rainbow colors from the from [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► the ludwig years like he's got a snare [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► drum from every era and representing you [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► know all of the superstar drive snare [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► drum porn [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► basically he's got snares there that are [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► worth $80,000 his snare collection [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► belongs not in a museum but on top of [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► the Empire State Building with a giant [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► flag indicating its presence like it is [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► a masterwork of craziness because to [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► have that many stairs is insane but they [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► were beautiful [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► every single one of them was fantastic [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► and I'm standing there staring at this [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► thing and people walking by and my own [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► family is taking up my sleeve and saying [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► come on let's go [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► like there's so much more to see like we [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► have to go get burned corn that's [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► covered with mayonnaise and and find [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► some deep-fried like deep France [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► deep-fried butter and I am mesmerised [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► not just by the beauty of this above [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► these pieces [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► I'm just trying to get inside this [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► person's mind at some point earlier some [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► point early enough in the world that [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► they could still acquire these snares [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► without because you could tell this guy [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► had never paid $80,000 for a snare right [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► it's all it's a long game write [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► something where he's he's been doing [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► this for a while [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► this is a lifetime pursuit and he [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► recognizes that some of these snares [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► belong in a museum and I don't even know [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► if there is a museum for snares I think [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► it starts with this man and a but he's [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► been collecting them for a long time and [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► he has the 59 Les Paul of snares and he [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► has multiple versions of it [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► Wow and he knows enough about it and [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► he's got little three-by-five cards that [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► he has typed with a typewriter that are [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► talking about the difference in hardware [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► and there are a couple of drums when [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► he's like this is a very curious piece [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► and now he's only talking to me [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► alright John this this sounds very close [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► to something me you need to be doing [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► yeah they're the the fair has been going [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► for three weeks and probably five people [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► have stopped and stared at this thing [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► and the other 4 guys you know all had [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► really long hair and we're wearing a [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► sleeveless t-shirt shaped like a British [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► flag your spook you're saying I'm up [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► takes in love with probably draw draw [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► more foot traffic a lot more people at [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the fair going to stop at the pigs and [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► love butter dishes but so I'm sitting [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► I'm reading these little cards and he's [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► like technically this Hardware shouldn't [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► be brass but it is and that and that [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► poses several questions about the date [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► of manufacture and my aunt and my theory [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► is that when they discontinued the model [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► beforehand they had some hardware left [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► over and they built this and that you [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► know he's just talking about these he's [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► talking about these drums like from the [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► standpoint of exactly the kind of crazy [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► that I am so it's not enough that he's [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► discovered something that probably [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► nobody else cares about let alone [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► noticed but he's got a reckon he's got [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► he's got a theory on why it happen [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► and that's right and he's got to sit and [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► go like Newark Newark Newark about it [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► intended and like I'm sure that he I'm [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► sure that he has clutched that drum to [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► his chest and swayed back and forth like [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► mm that's some shit that's [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► mm that's some shit that's [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► because he's thought about the he's [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► thought about the life that this drum [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► has led right [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► he knows that he knows the data was made [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► but he also knows that it has made its [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► way through time retaining a certain [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► characteristics that other drugs have [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► lost it has retained its you know [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► there's he had a couple of drums then [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► had a where their finish was a was like [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► a a print of the signatures of all the [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► great drummers of that era like somebody [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► got buddy rich and Gene Krupa and all [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► these guys to sign [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► Wow a piece of paper and then they [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► reproduce it and made it into a into a [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► cover for a drum for snare and he had [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► multiples of this there were different [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► colors and he was and he was like dis [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► court discoursing like this one is very [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► own you this one is very unusual and I'm [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► just like oh my god where are you [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► you've gotta be around here somewhere I [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► have to talk to you now because you know [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► these things that these things were rare [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► to begin with but what makes them [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► interesting is that they made this that [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► made this journey and he has thought [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► about their journey and the you know and [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► the parts of the journey that he can [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► tell he wants to tell in the parts that [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► he can't tell our we'll always be we'll [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► always be curious about them he wants [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► somebody to call him up and say that was [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► my drum back in nineteen fifty like [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► nothing would make him happier when the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► fact that it's something that's so we're [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► so rare and so weird that it must feel a [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► little bit magical that not only made it [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► but one of the few people in the world [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► who can fully appreciate it is the [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► person who has it now [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah somewhat miraculous that all [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► those things lined up in the way they [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► did [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► yeah here's the thing and it's and there [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► were multiple multiple times in its life [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► where it could have been worse some [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► teenage kid could have been like oh yeah [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► I found this drum in my dad's basement [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► let's start a band and let's spray paint [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► it black to make it look cool [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► and that didn't happen to this drum you [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► know right a kid did knots did not sand [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► the finish off of his dad's 55 les paul [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► and paint it with Gene Simmons his face [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► it was left alone but not left alone in [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► a moldy basement where it was destroyed [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► left alone somewhere where it was [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► protected and I mean it's just like a [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► butt [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► so eventually I was I had to be dragged [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► away from this thing because I because I [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► just wanted to stay there until the fair [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► closed and until this person came to get [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► these drawings you never got to talk to [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► him or her not around this the the drum [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► collector remained a mystery to me it [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► was I was just seeing into them i was [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► looking into them through this weirdness [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► and oh the best part of it is this is a [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► person who thought to bring it to the [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► fair [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► yeah how does that how do you think [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► there must be some intermediary [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► organization of collectors like that no [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► God the weekend I mean I mean is there [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► like an RFP they send out some kind of [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► announcement hey if you have a lot of [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► something and want to bring it to the [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► fair here's how to do it [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► yeah look I don't know I mean that this [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► is the type of thing i would expect to [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► see up above the counter in a in a store [TS]

01:03:34 ◼   ► in New York City where when you walk in [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► and ask the person behind the counter [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► for something he yells at you [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► yeah sure right this is this is the type [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► of thing that you would see at sam ash [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► music in midtown as a you know like this [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► is the only place in the world where you [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► will see this acceptance at the puyallup [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► fair in Washington and I don't and I [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► don't know where it is now it all got [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► boxed up and its back in this persons [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► living room burr or or I mean the thing [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► is it's not in the Attic it's to this is [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► not a thing that just gets trotted out [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► once a year it has it lives somewhere I [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► well everyone let's get to the the [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► really crazy part which is in all of [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► that chain now who knows maybe the most [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► telling part is you were there to see it [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► of all people mmm don't you think so [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► well that's the thing so I'm wondering [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► like if I'm [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► go to the puyallup fair next year and [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► I'm gonna take up one of these boots and [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► i'm going to put a collection there like [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► what is it i caii return back to what I [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► said before I think you should do a [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► little bit of research about how those [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► folks got there because first of all [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► make sure it's a party you really want [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► to go to this my this is this my great [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► is that you think about having a special [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► i also cannot believe that the [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► perpetrator was not standing there with [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► his stuff the whole time because I mean [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► like Gollum I imagine he's pretty [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► particular about who touches the snares [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► well we couldn't touch them they were [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► they were you know if I if you could [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► touch him I wouldn't touch them like [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► crazy stuff happens but you know and [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► also you got to be careful because you [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► know you might not go there and for [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► three weeks and having lunch with the [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► pigs and love lady or man [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► well that's the thing if you're if [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► you're at a party like that and you get [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► and you end up talking to the Betty Boop [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► person who you're like so when did you [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► start collecting Betty Boop and they're [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► like oh I've been collecting Betty Boop [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► for 30 years and you go right I can tell [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► you've got like 10,000 Betty Boop's [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► there [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► what is your like standard of selecting [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► them and the person looks at you kind of [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► quickly and goes what do you mean I just [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► buy all the Betty Boop's I by everybody [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► boot right you go write a lot of those [TS]