Roderick on the Line

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00:00:31 ◼   ► John [TS]

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00:00:38 ◼   ► lo I John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► ack ack it's my back those three letters [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► made me laugh out loud I hate monday i [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► hate mondays Irving oh em I'm facedown [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► in lasagna Oh No [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► so I was a sleeping in my box and cody [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► came and danced on my head [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► 000 d 00 d like odious am i right [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► mhm mhm my daughter likes Garfield [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► because he's lazy [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► oh really hmm she's that that's that's [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► your spirit animal i think my daughter [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► also likes Garfield unclear why doesn't [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► get the jokes wants me to read Garfield [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► to her i have the entire Garfield [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► collection as you can imagine I mean not [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► the entire one but every all those [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► little those little like a rectangular [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► yeah the solid color boxes that other [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► one Jim Davis published from 78 to [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► whatever 82 love Garfield on floor oh [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► yeah it was amazing this he was for his [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► time somewhat subversive shucky darn and [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► slop the chickens Chucky Chucky darn and [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► slop the chickens [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► I just introduce my daughter to bloom [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► county i read her one bloom county and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► she really liked it [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► there's a lot going on in bloom county [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► there are a lot of lot of messages now [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► right yeah we had a very awkward age [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► because I expose my daughter to a lot [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► more media i gather then you do with [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yours but I'm we're getting to a point [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► where this more stuff that she can watch [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► but she's not going to get a lot of the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► jokes right like the jokes in The [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► Godfather and godfather two are very [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► very like they're not really played for [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► laughs no that's true but yea 22 that I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► keep thinking about are there they're [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► not entirely appropriate for kids her [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► age but you know mainly main reason I [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► old office that she won't get the jokes [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► one is young frankenstein which is not [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► fairly [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► engage it's not entirely age-appropriate [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► but it is it is still one of my favorite [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► funny movie that's amazing but she does [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► not unlike our generation she was not [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► she is it has not been steeped in [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► universal monster culture right or bore [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► like classic black-and-white don't know [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► your your daughter has more experience [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► of like the the great at the Grand era [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► of cinema but like the tropes that the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► tropes that movie was mocking right well [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► yeah that definitely means I think she [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► knows like what about what a Dracula is [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► but she's not it wasn't like you know it [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► was everywhere when we were kids but [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► also like Shh like she loves Marx [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► Brothers movies but she generally like [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► most kids is with somethings [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► black-and-white she's like what is what [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► is this broken thing that we're watching [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► this is weird but then the other one [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► which I watched most of again last night [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► is monty python and the holy grail i [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► think i'm gonna give that one a couple [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► more years yeah there's a lot going on [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► yeah and it goes by pretty quick but you [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► know she has a flair for enjoying absurd [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► humor but you know I think it's worth [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► waiting [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► I think the best practice to wait until [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► your kids probably ready to to get why [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► it's funny [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► yeah there was I mean we were exposed to [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► a lot of of movies and media from the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► forties fifties and sixties when we were [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► kids because they're just wasn't that [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► much media yes [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► yeah and and one when they were [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► searching around for something to put on [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the late show it was like well we've got [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► we've got these movies and so we we [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► watch them as though they were also part [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► of our culture right i mean i even in [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the mid-seventies it still was it's that [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► I watched a lot of fifties sitcoms as [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► though they were I knew they were all [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► like i love lucy type stuff well yeah [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► and leave it to beaver I mean those were [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► those were on in the afternoon but also [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► like I got introduced to sixties [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► editorial cartoonists by finding old [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► playboys and old playboys had a lot of [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► the lot of the people writing [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► drawing the cartoons the one panel [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► cartoons in those old playboys were also [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► doing cartoons for The New Yorker you [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► know they were they were at the time of [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► course playboy was was a hat could [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► attract the best writers so like [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► what's-his-name kahile kahan oh yeah [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► yeah i know he mean I'm out dammit the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► guy with the he drives the really crazy [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► looking creatures that look abroad but I [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► got an A and Wilson uh well you know [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► this is the problem with being there [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► someplace to look I'm going to say again [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Wilson Cahan Wilson right so he so like [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► his cartoons were in Playboy's that I [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► would find under a board in the forest [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► which is where you used to find [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► Playboy's help people don't remember the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► boards if you were out in the woods and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► there when you saw piece of plywood it [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► was always part in the woods [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► yeah you go lift up the plywood and [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► maybe there'd be a playboy or maybe [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► they're just cherry magazines which is [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► grow in the woods that's right so then [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► you get when you open it up and you know [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► after you had seen the naked ladies then [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► there was what else is there to do these [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► were you would you would you would pour [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► over these Playboy's trying to figure [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► out trying to decode adult culture [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► uh-huh and there were all these great [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► cartoons and all these reviews for HiFi [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► stereo systems and and and sophisticated [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► political talk guys and swim trials just [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► making kool cigarettes smoking kool [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► cigarettes and swim trunks wrong thing [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► outside on the deck and so much of that [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► a lot of tax so I yes so so so by the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► time bloom county came around you know i [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► had already read quite a bit of Nichols [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and May style sixties political [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► commentary and I understood the language [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► a little bit of the references you know [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► because he blew counter is making a lot [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► of references to Nixon and all the stuff [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► even though that wasn't even [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► his era I don't know era era mashing [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► yeah i mean i-i think I I only feel the [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► need to middle-aged explain this because [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► there are people that may not but not [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► they should care but the one thing to be [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► aware of is there was there was a time [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► when whatever was on TV is what was on [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► TV you don't get to pick when it was on [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► you didn't decide what it was gonna be [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► so my daughter and I love that there are [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► there are listeners who are like he [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► never considered that you have to keep [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► in mind you have to remember that there [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► are there are people now who are 30 [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► years old that have never had a CD [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► except as a gift that's the thing that's [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that's you know you've been people have [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► not been buying a lot of cds for 10 to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► 15 years and it's it's crazy anyhow but [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► so all I'm saying is that in this case [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► there the total catalog of what was [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► available was much more narrow there's a [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► lot more that long tail like old stuff [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► like I mean I can't say how many times [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I've seen like you know Bob Hope and [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► Bing Crosby movies right stopped at that [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► time was 20 to 30 years old and is now [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► what 60 to 70 years old [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► think about it that way it's pretty [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► crazy but like you just must remove all [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► the time you have creature feature and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff or just all the [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► Arthurian stuff that is the basis much [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► of the basis for Holy Grail [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► mmm I don't think she's steeped in that [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah well i don't know i don't i don't [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► know if they ever if she will be or if [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► my kid ever will be I had a really [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► interesting conversation with the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Millennial person who was a person of [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► great intelligence and goodwill and I [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► asked what I thought was kind of a [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► simple question which was like what [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► who are the who would you say where the [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► handful of members of your generation [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► who you admire the most or who you think [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► are representative of your generation [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► culturally and she said what do you mean [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► and I was like well I mean exactly that [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► like there are people of your generation [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► who are doing cool things and and when I [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► was 22 I knew a lot of I mean I could [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► tell you who the the five prime movers [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► were in establishing a beachhead of our [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► voice in adult [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► culture uh-huh who's doing that for you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► and she was like mm I don't know Jon [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Stewart and I was like no no I mean your [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► people of your generation she was like [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► well Jon Stewart is of our generation [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► that's not sure he's older than me I [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► well right and when and what she what [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► she meant was kind of I think she was [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► describing it really was a language we [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► had a language golf that we struggled to [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► surmount because what she was saying i [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► guess was that because now all media is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► everywhere all the time and everything [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► is equally accessible several you only [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► have the same term yeah it's almost like [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► you asking asking her like what's your [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► favorite Victrola or something she'd [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► like I don't understand like the [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► question there's not really a thing for [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► that for from her standpoint as a smart [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► twenty-two-year-old like I said well [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► what about what about Taylor Swift and [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► she was like well that's pop music that [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► doesn't matter or or that some like she [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► was laying claim to everything that was [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► being made now regardless of who was [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► making it and and so Stephen Colbert was [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► contemporary and so therefore of her [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► generation it was up now it's more like [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► whoo [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► it came out recently so it's part of my [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► generation right right and you know and [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► and in a sense like in 1986 like Peter [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► Gabriel his record was really big and we [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► would have said Peter Gabriel was [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► popular music now but it but Peter [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► Gabriel was not our he wasn't our [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► generation we wouldn't have laid claim [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► to him who will said I'm a peter gabriel [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► fan but but it wasn't until people our [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► age started making things that we have [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that sense of ownership like this is now [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► this now belongs to us but she didn't [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► she couldn't identify with that and I'm [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► not sure I mean it's a sample set of one [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► this conversation but but it was very [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► interesting to to see at least in this [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► person that that even the idea that the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► first one or two people of your [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► generation that made it into the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► mainstream were even if you didn't like [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► them they still were your emissaries and [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► maybe it's because people of her [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► generation have been on TV her whole [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► life for or there are there are too many [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► to count sore or vine or I mean I i I'm [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► it was but it was very hard for me to [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► even because what she because she kind [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► of turned the tables on me and was [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► asking for clarification in the sense of [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► what I like describe what it was like to [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► have that feeling of your of a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► generational like what having four or [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► five people that you felt were your [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► generation in the media [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► I was like yeah kinda I mean there was [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► not just Tabitha Soren I mean how the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► first time that somebody that first time [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► that I turn on the TV and saw someone [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► that was my age on TV right now who [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► wasn't a kid in a sitcom but was like a [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► young person speaking in their own voice [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► in mainstream media it was like wow look [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► i I'm I'm consumed by a feeling of like [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► total envy and fury at this young person [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► for being more successful than me but [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► also i'm so excited like it's one of us [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► there's just you know on the news team [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah i don't know i don't i'm [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► trying to I I don't have enough [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► knowledge reference or context for [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► what's happening right now to even know [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► what to compare em but I don't know for [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► some reason is what sticks out of my [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► head is what I now realize you know that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► we talk people talk a lot i was talking [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► about like you know the whole meet music [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► music thing the way that CDs were kind [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► an anomaly that it was extraordinary how [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► many CDs sold up until 1999 and you know [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► a lot of people into the music industry [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► thought that was a trend that was gonna [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► keep going [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► various things happened but you know [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► it's the truth is that you know music is [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► always sold but never sold any way like [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► the way music sort of the nineties so I [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► mean now we look at go that was actually [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► an anomaly in and now I think about the [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► mid-eighties and also just me and my [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► punk rock you know brain but like I [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► remember feeling just so strangled by [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► like six recording artists they're just [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► everywhere like Madonna all the obvious [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► ones right Donna michael jackson Prince [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► I mean I like Prince but like out by you [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► know 1985 I was I'd really had enough [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► present at that point it was every [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► whitney houston it was just everywhere I [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► mean everyone Madonna was everywhere and [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► I'm trying to save myself all is that [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► kind of what it's like with taylor swift [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► now because i don't know i'm not sure [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that it is no i don't know i don't worry [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► the formula has changed because you know [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► there were only three radio stations or [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► whatever that we could listen to them [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and now if you want if you were a few [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► routine who liked the Beatles the [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► Rolling Stones you would never have to [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► listen to anything else you could get [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► into your mom's car and you could say [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► plug in my my music and then you know if [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► you were fewer bratty teen you could say [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► mom only play my station when we're in [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► the car on our way to and from school [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► and you know you could just you could [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► limit your exposure and it would feel [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► like freedom and choice and feel like I [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► feel like you're curating your own [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► existence and you can just listen to the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► music you wanted to in the end and that [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► is what the media companies not the not [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the not the record companies but like [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► it's what Apple and the and that the [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► tech media companies have been selling [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► to us for a long time that it's that we [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► are now liberated and we can we can [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► curate our feed so that it only it it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► only contains things that give us [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► pleasure and what your social graph and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► i'm going to curate your social graph [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► curate your social graph [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► but but the problem with that is of [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► course that you and I and people in [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► olden times in ye olden times were [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► exposed to a lot of stuff involuntarily [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► just because it was always on it was all [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► but you know and and and that and that [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► kind of like oh god I just want to watch [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► TV and all that's on right now is [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► twilight zone and so I'm gonna watch it [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and then you realize oh I wouldn't have [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► chosen to watch this because it it [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► didn't have anything that appear that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► that seems to appeal to me at first but [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► now having watch it out of boredom and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► frustration having watched it out of the [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► fact that it's the only thing on now I [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► realize it's a it's brilliant and and [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► it's open me up to all the stuff that I [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► wouldn't have been exposed to who and [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► now you don't have to do that nobody [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► does and it's not it's not just young [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► people like people my age can can and do [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► and consider it a considerate of a gift [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and a prize to be able to never ever [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► ever ever be exposed to something that [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► they didn't choose in terms of music [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► unless they you know unless they decide [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► to spin the bottle one day and just put [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► on the put on the the change the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► settings on their their music program so [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that it's no longer the the built to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► spill channel but now it's the the [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► mariah carey channel just to see what [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► I mean at-at and i think so i think that [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► there are still just as many Jimi [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► Hendrix fans there ever were [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► but nobody's hearing about mountain [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► because Matt nobody puts mountain in as [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the as the band on their Spotify you [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► know nobody puts everybody puts jimi [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► hendrix and nobody puts the James Gang [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► in your jim-dandy or like like either of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► those bands you going oh that sounds a [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► lot like stuff that I know this o.o [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that's who does that song so I you know [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► I am I feel like [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► I feel like the the the world is still [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the world still contains as much as many [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► multitudes but unless it comes unless it [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► comes up in the algorithm like yeah we [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► we were we were stuck in a world where [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► where Madonna and phil collins and peter [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► gabriel and prints were all there were [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► but i remember going to college and [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► discovering really discovering Exile on [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► Main Street which for whatever reason [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► when i was in high school like I listen [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► to sticky fingers but I hadn't gone down [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► the stones rabbit hole quite like I did [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► later because I would because my friends [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► were mostly listening to metal and so [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► the stones were a little Stones and the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► Beatles were thing that I and a couple [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► of other guys kept as our secret little [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► world in in a in our larger culture [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► which was listening to accept let's be [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► honest we were listening to triumph and [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► accept and and and the forebears of that [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► stuff like Steppenwolf you know likes [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► Steppenwolf being being an earlier [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► iteration of of except um I i don't [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► disagree but uh but something like what [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► likely get deep maybe deep purple purple [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► tons of it with that was our party music [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► whoo [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► but the and the stones were separate [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► from that and and that was kind of a [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► secret world but anyway I but Exile on [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► Main Street just didn't didn't make its [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► way to me until my freshman year in [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► college and I remember diving into that [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► record and feeling like I had discovered [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► a whole world and all my convos what [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► have I been doing with my life been [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► wasting my life not listening to this [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► album [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► and my roommate who grew up in San [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► Francisco was like oh my God if I never [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► hear that record again I will i would be [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► fine and I was like what are you talking [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► about he was like oh we just used to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► listen to that record every I mean we [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► have listened to it a billion times [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► growing up in San Francisco Exile on [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► Main Street was just everywhere and so [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► he was already [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► I mean that record was 15 years old at [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► the time and he was he had all he [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► already felt like it was just used up [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► and I and I couldn't believe that he and [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► I could be so alike in so in such good [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► pals but have that I was hearing this [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► thing for the first time and and just [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► wanted to you know I just wanted to sit [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► there with inch and and share in it and [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► he and it was dead to him he couldn't [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► hear anything wonderful in it anymore [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► because he'd been listening to it since [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► he was ten not sure what my point is you [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► know I've never said that on this [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► program never having I don't believe [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► I've ever seen anything this don't [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► remember i'm i'm i am so groggy [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► yeah do you even try even traveling a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► well I have been but the grogginess is I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► don't know what's going on when I came [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► home from my trip I opened my front door [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► and my house smelled funny oh yeah [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that's the thing that's it that's [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► totally a thing i didn't know what it [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► was you can't smell your own house [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► what it really smells like unless you're [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► away for a few days mm but it was an [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► additional on top of normal smelly and [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► you know my house smells like me but [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► this was something else and it was just [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► sickly sweet enough that it that the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that the question did something die in [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► the fireplace flue was in play but it [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► also could have been that you know that [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► my kid dropped an apricot and it rolled [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► under the rolled into the heating vent [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► or it could have it could have been that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► somebody spilled some cough syrup on the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► furnace [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► always nice to have a little bit of milk [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► between the couch cushions that's a [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► favorite of mine right and but there's a [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► it wasn't like a it wasn't like around [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► milk smell it was something else and [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► someone and I'm running around maybe [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► somebody's making prison hooch while [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► you're away [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► well that would you know I didn't go [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► check on under the crawl space but so I [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► wandering around I'm like it smells [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► equally like this smell in every room [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► which is strange [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► it didn't feel concentrated anywhere and [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► then I asked my it was so weird that I [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► asked my mom to come out to the house [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and walk around and smell and she walked [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► I was like I don't smell anything really [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► so it's faint but having woken up this [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► you know I slept in the house last night [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► we will have this morning and I just [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► feel a little drugged [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► don't get me started i think about it [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► all the time oh well first of all like [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► our house is old and I don't realize [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► that our house smells old [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► unless I'm Way away for like three or [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► four days or like there's nobody in the [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► house you haven't any window activity [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► there's no walking around there's been [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► no cooking and I think that i'm guessing [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► every house settles into a certain smell [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► you know when it's just left still me [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► and I'm saying like you're taking out [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► the trash you can have done all this [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► normal stop there's no Aaron apricots [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► that you're aware of but like I think [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► how settles into a certain smell and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► that smell is nigh on impossible to [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► detect unless unless you've been away [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► when I can't put my finger on it it's [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► not exactly Musti it's not exactly gassy [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► but I know I I oh gosh i live in fear [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that the apricot or whatever is going [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► down the heating vent or like that i'm [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► constantly checking the pilot lights [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► because they go out really easy and it's [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► like I just I don't want to be I just I [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► don't have a freak accident especially [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► if it was avoidable freak acts all those [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► the word freak accidents the worst right [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► i mean there's only so much preparation [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► you can do for a freak accident and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that's what makes it a freak accident [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► yeah exactly exactly i think about i [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► think about freak accidents now in a way [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► that I that I never thought about them [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► before freak accidents like in uh you [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► know like in I could the Roman remember [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► was in the old man with a guy [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► goes back either amendment me ghetto or [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► whatever and he goes back to get the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► knives [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► I'll never forget that scene with the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► giant sheet of glass a member this come [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► swinging through the air something [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► happens something happens it hits the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► thing that break moves this thing ships [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► just a little bit and really totally cut [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► his head off and his head rolls down the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► glass that's like a canonical freak [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► accidents and me totally free access [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► except that one was actually staged by [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► Satan yeah now we know we know now [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► mm just leave believe the knives you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► leave the knives that's right don't go [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► back for the for the steely knives those [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► when I don't want I just can't kill the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► Beast 100 go ahead and when when I would [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► hear that song I still always think of [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► the knives from the omen [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► oh interesting now i will just like [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► remembering your friendly drink from the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► water phone [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► yeah that's right that's it's the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► stealing those are the steely knives of [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► hotel california love that drum fill [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► this is people who do the stealing items [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► from the moment I i made that connection [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► i think the first time I heard heard the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► song and listen to it would be the song [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► hotel california by the eagles by the [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► visuals which is 40 years old making a [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► making our OTL playlist right now I [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► again are a tlr iyl recommended if you [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► like 40 year old songs huh that's the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► part that's amazing to me and like you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► know I like when I think about something [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► like watching The Flintstones as a kid [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► which i think most people our age did [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► because it was just it was on a lot yeah [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► but do you have a definite do and the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► front steps would be on and it I it [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► seemed hopelessly hopelessly old it just [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► seemed like that cartoon style was so [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► weird and but the so then I got to do [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that thing that I do and I need a name [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► for what this is called but that are you [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► know that lines on this to that is yes [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► exactly right there is there no but we [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► do that so much is there no term of art [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► for it [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I don't I don't I don't know the answer [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► when stones was as far away from me in [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► 1975 as as X is from okay now I want a [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► name for that I want a website for that [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► but in this instance i'm saying what i'm [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► saying is that i was watching The [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► Flintstones when it's only been 10 years [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► since it came on it's incredible and now [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► it's been over 40 years [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that happened is the thing right hand [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and so I mean 10 years it seems like a [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► lot maybe not i mean nevermind was 20 [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► what 25 years ago [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► mmm 24 24 years ago so that's the kind [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► of thing yeah I used to think that like [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► what's so what is it like for example [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you take synchronicity is 1983 now so [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that's 30 32 years right all right ma'am [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► yeah and so 32 years for that was the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► Korean War I synchronous city [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► yeah that is that is that is bonkers but [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► it does but it's not help it [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► this is this is the conversation i had [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► with it with the girl it [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► we were so that that that protraction [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► right that like a generational geometry [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► really meant a lot to us at the time and [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► partly it was because a lot of what we [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► were consuming in the eighties was [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► through the eyes of baby boomers who [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► were reflecting on there who are [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► nostalgic for their own youth right i [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► don't think there was ever a generation [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► that was more nostalgic for their youth [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► then baby boomers in middle age they had [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► a lot to be not not not good reasons [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► necessarily but at least a large tonnage [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► of things to be nostalgic about because [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► they were also the one of the first [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► generations that we say what say what is [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► it they say in America being a teenager [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► didn't really exist until like the [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► revolutionary war wasn't really a thing [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► to the 20th century and it wasn't a [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► market until the forties and fifties [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► right so people were making a lot of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► things for them that were cool toys that [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► were TV shows that were movies right and [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► it was all happening at the editor at [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► somewhat of a dawning age of technology [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► so a lot of like my older brother who [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► was a full-on baby boomer you know he [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► was there he remembers his first TV he [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► was there to see how duty and Roy Rogers [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► and and black-and-white television and [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► so all of that stuff [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► and whether or not he felt his childhood [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► was innocent [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► it certainly was was more innocent than [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► his then his teen years right i mean [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► that was that was a time when you didn't [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► question the government still so forth [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► and so they were it when we were teens [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► those people were in their thirties and [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► forties and they were they were [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► ironically in some ways but also just as [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► pureness nostalgically consuming their [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► their youth media and so we were too and [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► there was a real sense even at the time [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► for me that like the adults are this far [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► away from their childhood and one day I [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► will be that far away from my childhood [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► except my childhood i will be consuming [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► not only scooby-doo which was the which [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► was the scooby-doo even was it was kind [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► of a rerun [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► but what the hell was the media of our [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► childhood it was all reruns [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► but you know no like eight is enough for [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► something not only will i be remembering [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► that but i will also be remembering my [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► childhood through the media of this [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► generation before me and we were so we [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► we were conscious of that architecture [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► and now we really want to think about [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► the young people today through that same [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► lens and they don't and that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► architectures gone for them so here we [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► are like that was 30 years ago and this [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► is 30 years from now and that was 30 [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► years from then and the 24 year olds [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► just like I don't with they don't even [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► they can't picture what's inside our [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► minds because they don't have the same [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► the basic building blocks and and so [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► we're just left like and the thing is [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► when I when I play that game with baby [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► boomers they're like kind of not [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► interested either because they see [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► themselves as the beginning right in [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► nineteen in 1955 when they were sitting [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► down to watch Howdy duty they weren't [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► they were there were Errol Flynn movies [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► on TV or if there were that was very [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► much like [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► there there dad but there's a whole new [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► there was media being created for them [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► on an hourly basis and it belonged to [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► them right [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► uh-huh so yeah we're just here we are [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► just at sea again [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► Merlin are our whole conversation just [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► always ends up depositing us back on [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► this strange lily pad of like Generation [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► X nobody cares about it except [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► Generation X and we care about it so [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► passionately and no we can't get anybody [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► to share with us [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► well I think I'm making this up right [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► now but i think part of it is that uh I [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► don't know if this is exactly exactly [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► generational or just coincidence but I [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► think I i have a feeling that people who [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► were around our age grew up at a time [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► when we realized it was important that [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► in order to understand what we can [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► potentially call our story or to [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► understand about ourselves we have to [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► find other people who who see that [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► there's a story and kind of agree on [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► what the story is don't know that was [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► always the case i'm not sure that's [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► entirely true today I mean it's easy [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► enough probably to find somebody who can [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► get on board with whatever your thing is [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► nowadays and I just think you know what [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► part of it is that you know wonderful [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► lot of us missed certain windows by not [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► having having found people where we [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► could agree on what the story was what [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► if that's been easier or more difficult [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► overtime or even if it's a thing but and [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► yeah I don't know either and I and I and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► I don't know how much more fruitful the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► wandering is going to be I had any I had [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► a terrible dream last night [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► not really terrible but I was I was with [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► a group of people members of my family [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► friends we were we're walking when I was [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► engaged in some business to business [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► it was it was nighttime I have a map in [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► my head of the of where we were it was [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► maybe in the future and someone said to [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► me that I was 82 years old and I said [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► like what [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► no and I started counting on my fingers [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► the decade [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► and I was like an 82 I i'm still I'm [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► still young i have lots to do and look [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► at you and I'm then I can dance and I [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► can I can jump and everybody was like no [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► you're I mean you're 82 and I was [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► counting and I counted up on my fingers [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► 282 and I was like oh I am 82 story [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► checks out but i but i was but i [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► resisted it resisted being 82 and then I [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► counted up on my fingers again and I got [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► 62 and I was like 62 alright i can live [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► with 62 but then I wasn't confident that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► i had counted right and there was a lot [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► of question about how old I was and none [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► of it was very encouraging [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► well okay so what did it feel like [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that's that's become my question when [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► people are telling a dream because in [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the telling of a dream as we talked [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► about when you're reciting the facts of [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► the dreamer what you remember about the [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► dream it's still it's difficult to me to [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► communicate how you felt [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► we can guess how you felt because we [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► know the story you're telling but in the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► dream [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► how did you feel when you recount wait [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► first of all the disbelief that you're [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► 82 then when you're counting got 82 and [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► then when you can dictate how are you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► feeling in the dream [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► well I was checking with my physical [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► plant was checking my body is desisted [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► is abated two-year-olds body [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► no no it's not i'm still limber I'm [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► still you know I so I was so i was [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► confused at this information because [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► didn't comport with what I knew about [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► myself and you know but I had that I had [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► that brief feeling of like am I dressed [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► appropriately for an 82 year old like [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► please God don't let me be actually 82 [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and wearing some kind of clown outfit [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► that would be appropriate on that would [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► already probably not be appropriate [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► thirty-five-year-old on the weigh-in [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► today the methadone clinic was pretty it [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► was pretty calm [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► not a lot going on but I did pass a guy [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► who was my age and was dressed like [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► weiland from Stone Temple Pilots he had [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► his hair was kind of spiked out [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's that's a look at street [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► rat look yeah it had a like frog it [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► frosted tips he was wearing some tight [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► pants that were like that had a kind of [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that wet quality wet wax equality that [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► that rock and rollers prefer to their to [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► their denim yeah when waxing who lived [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► in that lived in very very tailored he [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► and and and it was unclear whether he [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► belonged in the delta sky lounge at SFO [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Airport because it was actually a [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► millionaire rock entrepreneur or whether [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► he was sort of a 48 year old guy who was [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► trying to get his band going [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► yeah and was it's easier than ever to to [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► have a mix up like that [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► yeah right and maybe he was living in [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► interest in a chevy nova somewhere it [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► was not clear but I did have the feeling [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► of like okay this guy's is in Middle [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► Ages rocking a look but I but it does [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► feel authentic to him it feels like [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► top-to-bottom he's been in this look and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► inhabiting this look for a long long [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► time and so it's not so it looks [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► appropriate and what that means is that [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► we are now living in an age where there [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► are going to be just as there is a Keith [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► Richards right now who is what 70 who [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► still is tying ribbons and feathers in [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► his hair and is not and he and he is [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► also a millionaire 7171 we are now [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► entering into the era where they're [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► going to be people in their seventies [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► and eighties who have been rock and roll [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► their whole lives and are going to be [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► rock and roll all the way to the end [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► right and so they're never going to ever [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► put on a cardigan sweater and a pair of [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► loafers they are going to be lacing up [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► there doc martens all the way until they [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► have to pay someone to help them lace-up [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the doc martens a brother and so or [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► someone appointed by the state is going [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► to be lacing up their dog cart and that [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► is to get a shoelace erad litem i think [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► i think it's gonna end up being part of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► that because you know the old people [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► traditionally handled that transition to [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► hold this by starting to wear loafers [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► and eventually white loafers so they can [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► see them in the in the dim lights also [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► why they do that [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► yeah the dim light of the early morning [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► when they when they wake up it's an [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► adaptation uh-huh [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► they're like I wear my shoes are there [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► they are white patent leather loafers or [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► whatever that that all old people ended [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► up in but but now we have now we are we [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► have old rock and rollers [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► uh-huh and they're never gonna do that [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► unless I mean weiland I could see and [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► white loafers because here that's it [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► because he's one of those guys that like [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► kind of maybe a little bit of the my own [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► private idaho can look right Road yeah [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► so but in my dream I still have that [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► feeling of like it is it inappropriate [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► for me to be to rock and roll now that [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► I'm 82 right and i was checking myself [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► feeling still pretty rock and roll and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► but feeling like that was evidence that [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► i wasn't 82 so against my feelings were [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► a little incredulity a little panic at [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► you know and maybe have maybe a rip van [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► winkle situation where what what [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► happened to like I don't mind one day [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► being 82 but what happened to the 27 [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► years in the middle there where I was [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► still going to do stuff you keep [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► thinking those will go slow but i bet [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► they'll go just as fast if and when you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► are got you know God willing if you make [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► it to 82 you're going to be eat [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► the gas and running out of fingers I bet [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► just like what the what [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah so maybe it was a little [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► bit of time travel [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► maybe some dreams time travel and when [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► I'm 82 i will have an experience of [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► walking with my family through it [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► through some charted terrain and I want [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► dejavu at the time and be like this [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► really feels familiar [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► i'm so lost right now this is this is [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► really overwhelming [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► oh my goodness I i dreamed i lived in a [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► storage sports stadium like a football [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► stadium in an apartment with the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► landlord for my office the just last [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah yeahs and emma stone was [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► there from the from the from the movies [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► Emma Stone I think that's her name Emma [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► Stone was there at nor actually Susan is [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► that the Iranian hurt the stadium at [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► your sports stadium where you lived in [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► an apartment with you want with my men [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► middle-aged landlord for my honest was [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► nice he showed me how to open the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► windows [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► how did you feel in a dream state [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► I think I felt a slightly anxious like I [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► do a lot of my dreams thing is i'm [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► developing this new pro skill when I'm [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► getting really good at being able to [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► slide back into a dream and getting a [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► little better i won't call lucid [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► dreaming but I'm getting better at like [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► after my child has welcomed me at 6am [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► being able to like slide back into it [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► and I've got a whole methodology I've [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► been working on that is is really paying [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► off [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► Emma Stone born in 1988 yeah she's cool [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► she's really funny she's funny she's [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► cool on yeah yeah I make myself really [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► slow down because I really is if i wake [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► up his first thing I think when you wake [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► up from a dream and you're getting [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► panicky about trying to remember the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► dream and I think when you get to [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► panicky and think too fast about a dream [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► is when you start losing blocks the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► stuff starts getting erased right slow [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► your roll slow down slow it way way down [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► and think about if you can force [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► yourself to think that about one-third [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► or one-fourth of your usual speed you'll [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► start remembering more things than just [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► start scanning blindly over everything [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► right you gotta get beyond ease back you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► gotta catch yourself you catch yourself [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► and go away [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► need a minute sing yourself a little [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► song and lyrics are kidding Shh the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► lyrics and sing a little song in your [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► head that the lyrics start getting [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► filled in it comes back it's just making [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► yourself walking backwards at half speed [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► and also oh I do that a lot [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► imagine has to be oh well you just well [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► not doing it but imagining oh man it's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► iic differently i'm starting yeah so [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► this is a different topic but like I [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► started really wonder about my [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► concentration because I find I've [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► noticed that is many things in life if I [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► slow way the fuck down [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► what I'm doing a given thing it's a [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► completely different experience for me [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► really oh yeah yeah i mean i'm really [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► really noticing and I'm wondering how [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► much stuff I just don't see because my [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► I'm moving so fast or I'm causing my [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► brain to move so fast but it's an [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► obvious example is eating eating slowly [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► is fundamentally different from eating [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► any other way haha I try I try [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► well cannot eat slowly I just I feel [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like it I've will very easily just slip [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► into an automatic way of doing things [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► riding slowly I talk about something [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► other show with Dan but if i'm doing [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► more handwriting stuff started using a [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► notebook again for stuff if i make [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► myself right like cause myself to write [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► at half of the normal speed and normally [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► right I'm not only write a lot more [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► neatly I end up i think my brain has a [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► little more time to come up with stuff [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► if I could just gonna try this try this [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► right neatly and at about half speed and [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► you get a really different quality of [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► stuff coming out of your fingers so I [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► was thinking about was the whole new [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► thought technology for me John this is [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the major thought technology to and I [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► and I think you're really onto something [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► up you know i was i did a thing the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► other day of wikipedia dive on Hemingway [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► and was reading some having waycross [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► reading it to while I was reading about [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► him and and you know what I have mixed [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► feelings about Hemingway like any [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► thoughtful person water but what I [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► learned was although there is this image [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► of Hemingway sitting at a typewriter he [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► actually wrote all those books longhand [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► you had a little lap desk and then they [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► were typed for him but you know you've [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► got these you have these pictures of [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► Hemingway sitting in an Underwood [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► never but there but that but it really [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► was writing longhand and when I i wrote [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► everything longhand until the let's say [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► the mid-2000s like I had a computer and [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► i wrote school reports let's say on the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► computer but like all my creative [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► writing it was all with ballpoint pen in [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► spiral-bound notebook and so you know [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► you have that experience of like you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► enter into a sentence you are riding [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► along you realize halfway through the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► sentence that you have gone somewhere [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► now you have to pivot in your thought [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► you need you need to be able to land [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► this sentence and you have to you have [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► to change somewhere along the line and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► you know like your tech utensils [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► changing you can go back and and cross [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► stuff out but you know but it's much [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► it's much more acrobatic 22 to enter [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► into a thought and then have that [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► thought morph as you are creating it and [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► then try and land that that that [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► acrobatic move huh [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► and so it was a it was not just it was [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► absolutely a different art form then [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► writing on a on a keyboard you know [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► completely different exercise because of [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► the keyboard get halfway through a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► sentence and you just got your just [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► deleting like nope nope that's not what [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► I'm trying to say but it didn't open up [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► delete let's go back to blue and then [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► the the final product shows no it shows [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► no record of what of the three or four [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► different ways you tried to get into it [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► but you're also never obligated to just [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► try and finish that thought you know our [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► or contort in midair to to include what [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► you've already written and still make [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► the point you're trying to get to [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► and I so but but adding the idea of than [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► riding slowly and neatly to that 22 that [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► with that which i already know and have [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► just described [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► yeah I feel like that is a major thought [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► technology like the creative hack even I [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► i think it might be well actually I i [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► bet that everybody has things like this [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that are different things i'm tossing [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► out a general macro thought technology [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► is try doing stuffs more slowly [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► o.o not just limited to handwrite oh no [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► I mean I am in particular saying that [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► that's that's a great example of what [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► i'm talking about the ink slower it's [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► hard to do but I you know what it is I [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► mean I there's a lot of things where [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► like I am a little bit of a grumpy old [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► man but not as much as I as I scene I [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► mean I don't have I don't have too much [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► objection to how other people talk to [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► other people like that's not my business [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► I'm not here to be the police officer it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► tells you whether and when you should [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► use emojis and whether when you should [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► use you know paragraphs and periods and [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► stuff like that i will say that for [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► myself I still I I still treasure the [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► moment of struggling to say the thing [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► that I want to say and just typing LMAO [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► is not a thing i want to start doing [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► with me means first of all the first [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► time you do that are I mean are you [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► literally laughing your ass off perhaps [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► you are perhaps yards in which case [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► that's a terrific sense you could write [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► that was very funny I'm laughing my ass [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► off right now but it comes awfully easy [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► to just type those little letters and [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► again I i'm speaking just here for [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► myself I'm not trying to advocate for [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► this but i like when i write to you or [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► write to my wife or whatever even just [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► in attacks i still find myself saying [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► how am I gonna say this uh and and how [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► do i how do I compact Lee and elegantly [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► Sing se the thing that I want to say and [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► have it go the way that I wanted to go [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► and i feel myself being drawn this [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► gravitational pull of drawing everybody [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► into this really spazzy like over the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► top ! culture [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► that I I'm not saying I'm against it but [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► I want to be aware of it and i want to [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► start making sure that i really want to [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► be exclaiming that many things that i [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► really want to actually has a 50 fucking [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► year old man become that ejaculatory [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► about saying i'll see you in five [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► hmm because maybe that doesn't matter [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► what I think it might matter i'll leave [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► it to other cultural commentators to [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► decide whether that's a good or bad [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► thing for people to grow up at that [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► entirely but you know I want to I want [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► to make myself be a little starchy [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► sometimes I want to make myself go slow [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► i want to make myself think about what [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► I'm about to say because if we all just [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► ejaculate the first thing that occurs to [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► us all the time from now on that does [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► not feel like a fun future to me [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► mm so kind of pushback on that is that [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► alright I I think that's I think that's [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► wonderful and well put i have you [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► discovered that LOL law in your own [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► personal lexicon has has already morphed [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► into haha yeah like yeah I noticed I [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► noticed that with well I've never been a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► fan of LOL the i would much more [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► frequently especially talking to you [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► said the syllables LOL or-or-or long [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► ruffle ruffle ruffle ruffle I just I've [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► always thought that's so like you don't [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► even have you don't even have time to [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► laugh but they've they've come it's [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► gonna if they morphed into at least at [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► everyone I know and certainly the way i [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► use them is just like not funny like not [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► laughing out loud night when i see haha [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► whose voice am i doing I'm kind of maybe [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► doing the voices somebody that chick [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► publication or maybe like a monkey on [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► Pleasure Island in Pinocchio he better [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► not when I say haha areas haha sounds [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► like you know it's the sound of like a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► practical joke on wrong and I poke you [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► in the eye [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► haha like about bringing a plastic [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► donkey that the chick publication is [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► great because those were always felt [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► hwhw I know he'll Charley Conners haha [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► always having a heart attack that's just [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► don't know his ghost is leaving the body [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and children [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► oh he's sitting in front of a faceless [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► judgment day jesus oh they could be that [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► they would be the the the tribes would [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► be so specific and like toms of finland [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► at the beginning and then by the end it [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► got real the get real degraded into just [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► some kind of cloak Doctor Who character [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► standing in flames [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► yeah standing flame saying you are [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► headed dad George and charley Conners I [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and what that does that gives me faith [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► that that even the like that that there [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► is that sort [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► Donna scizzum wins out right that even [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► even something as like dull-witted as [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► law can be converted into into a way of [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► conveying some of the degradation of [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► reading reading against the grain a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► little bit yeah and a but it seems like [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► they're surely there are people and I [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► think they are probably all like [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► Facebook moms who still use law ! as [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► like I'm laughing out loud right now [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► right now I feel like it has to it has [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► turned almost entirely into like the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► thing that you just sent me isn't that [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► funny trihard out like well there's [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► something I I you know again it's like [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► it's like the Eddie Eddie Vetter noise [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► or the paul stanley screen [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► don't start doing it ironically because [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► within a week it won't be ironic anymore [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► and now you just do that [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► come on aaron has ever done ball or [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► alright like don't start doing that and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I spent 15 years ago wow alright [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► like I don't know why but I started [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► doing that on this is a friend of the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► family is a very very sweet woman she [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► works she's probably maybe maybe 50 [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► something she work she's she works at a [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► school and she's always my like canary [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► in the coal mine for whatever phrase it [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► is about to become very noice some for [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► alright well yeah did she say that no no [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► no no but she's she's always because [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► she's got a teenage kids and she works [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► in school and she picks up a lot of the [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► Osher [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► and but like I don't know maybe stuff [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► I'm just hearing about for the first [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► time the kids now are all are all doing [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► David Lee rough haha wow [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► but you're back now but for example one [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► that now you and I use ironically she [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► was the one of the first ones i heard [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► who would say thank you [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► paris hilton LOL thank you [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► and then there's like there's like a [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► whole Thank You culture like a whole [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► like when you can sit around you have [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► your white wine and talk about stuff [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► just got a gal Thank You arm i love you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► i love you i sent you a couple panels [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► from my all-time favorite chick [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► publication called Wounded children [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► wounded children wanted children [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► I really it's a hell of a piece of work [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► because he basically get from like [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► there's there is a porno mag in the [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► house the little boy finds its eight [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► shows it to him [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► oh my god it's not letting me see it I [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► need to its I'm talking to you on skype [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► right now [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► uh-huh but there's this new button you [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► see link address where you send me the [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► link and then skype says sign into skype [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► with your and it's just like what I'm [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► i'm using skype you ding-a-ling [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► centurylink see if that works better but [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► Satan is showing him the book and little [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► boy season he's obviously very upset [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► within a few pages he's a young man in a [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► leather bar with gay men hahaha [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► did you hear the one about the traveling [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► cells open the big drawer David and look [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► at the pretty books as Satan that's your [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► daddy's book [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► yes Satan looks very hot in this i have [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► to say is very muscley East Harrison [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► this is a page we should probably [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► acknowledged enter the Jabberwock calm [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► if your daddy enjoys this book [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► yeah it has to be okay and where's him [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► in the bar looking in the bar [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► I'm so high I'm flying tiny amyl nitrate [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► sure get a rush [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► wow this is where it's at yeah FML [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► nitrate is where it's at [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► whoa yeah yeah I remember that seen them [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► in the fabulous furry freak brothers fat [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► fries cat comic [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► when now when no freewheeling Franklin [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► freak has a bunch of amyl nitrate [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► capsules in his front pocket of his [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► shirt and some cop jumps jumps on him as [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► cops were want to do at the time and he [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► breaks all the amyl nitrate in in [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► freewheeling Franklin's shirt pocket and [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► free one Franklin inhales like 10 amyl [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► nitrate capsules all at once and then he [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► gets up and he kicks the cops ass while [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► like a pie with spinach very funny i [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► wish i could send you a link to that but [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► you know they're not signed in and I [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► wouldn't know I'm not signed it [TS]

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00:57:26 ◼   ► and for supporting rod on the lines [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► oh yeah I used to collect these [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► informally and in the fullness of time i [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► actually started I cheated and I started [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► buying them [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► why did you can coordinate of course [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► that what you think that come from it's [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► not spontaneous generation bootstrap [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► paradox they start somewhere and that's [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► at the jack chick publications [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► organization and you can order a bunch [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► of these how do you think the end up in [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► America's urinals you I've told you [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► before haven't I about my flirtation [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► with evangelical Christianity i-i-i [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► don't think you have that hmm if you [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► have I don't remember it but i would [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► like to hear about that [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► well during during that era in the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► eighties when most moral majority yeah [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► yeah there was no there was it was [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► really the the splintering of the [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► factions the the even evangelicalism was [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► coming was leaving the leading the [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► Southern Baptist tradition and leaving [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► the Midwestern sort of farm church [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► culture and it was becoming Southern [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► Californian and it was it was the mega [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► churches were developing it was it was [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► it was blowing up in our nation and [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► there were chick publications it seems [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► like everywhere and people were people [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► were really getting into this this vocal [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► muscular prosperity Christianity in a [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► way that was was new and exciting and [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► and you know I'm not a guy that wants to [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► see a trend happen where is not he [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► doesn't at least dip his toe in the [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► water [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► no you got you get your research you [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► like you like to know what's going on [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► you get to make your own decision [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► hold your own counsel about these things [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► but you know you don't want to just [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► arrived something you didn't even know [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► what that was going on for years exactly [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► right so i started watching the PTL Club [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► to see what was going on and I was I'm [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► not somebody who consumes media [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► ironically in particular they were good [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► there were people think there were [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► people out of a of our time the church [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► of the bob dobbs crowd [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► who watched PTL ironically but you know [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► i was watching it just earnestly like [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► let's see what's going on I didn't like [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► it but i but i wanted i didn't want to [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► be blind to what was happening and I [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► always loved a chick comic because i [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► love comics and you could put any kind [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► of insanity into [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► of insanity into [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► comic book form and i would read it i [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► would grab it and read it happily and i [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► have read some alignment I've read a ton [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► of insanity because it was in comic book [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► form [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► yeah but i remember when i was younger [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► and we would be walking through airports [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► and the hare krishna would come up and [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► try and pick a flower on my dad and my [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► dad would somehow like he would [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► materialize a cricket bat out of his [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► jacket and just like no get the fuck [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► away from me hippie or what you know he [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► would just like he would send those [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► people packing and i remember at eight [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► nine ten years old kind of wistful leave [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► wishing that my dad would stop and [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► engage them because I was very curious [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► about them and my dad when he did engage [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► people it was we learned a lot you know [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► I learned a lot just by dad stopping and [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► talking to people on the street so why [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► wasn't he talking to these fascinating [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► hairy Christmas in the airport who all [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► they wanted to do was give him a free [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► flour [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► oh and he ok so serious that usually he [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► would have a conversation you would [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► learn something something smelled weird [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► about this because he wasn't even given [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► him the time of day he just didn't even [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► want you just gave him he gave him the [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► heisman and I was like you know my dad [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► will stop and talk to anybody you know [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► they're Heisman and a straight arm as [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► right back to get through [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► yeah that's good okay um you know he's [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► like there would be people would walk up [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► to us on the sidewalk all the time guys [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► in in like deerstalker hats that had [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► flowers all over their hat and they [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► wanted to talk to my dad about some [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► strange you know some like public policy [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► in my dad sit and talk to him for 45 [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► minutes but these guys with the top knot [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► and and the row but the airport he [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► doesn't want to talk so I made it a [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► policy to always stop and talk to Harry [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► Krishna's when I got to be 18 and was [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► moving through airports on my own if [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► somebody came up and tried to put a [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► flower on me i would stop and talk to [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► them about Harry krishna for a for [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► enough time until they started to repeat [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► themselves and I learned a lot about [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► Harry krishna but then they all went [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► away like they stopped being airports [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► all of a sudden it just disappeared they [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► just disappeared one day they were in [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► every Airport ever [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► we're and then I don't know what [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► happened every fish nuts but it just [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► hey professionals dimples hurt hurt [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► their pickles for every fish nuts haha [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► that's not Lou county especially my [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► daughter is the one she thought it was [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► hilarious [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► what the hell she can't know anything [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► about is no idea purpose for Harry [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► fishing pole opus just off of some domak [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► it's just he just misheard things so [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► seriously [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► well because early opus did that a lot [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► earlier long-nosed opus before was [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► really like a puffin yeah before he [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► turned into fat nose opus when he was [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► long nose opus he was always he was [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► always garbling things what is the term [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► of art for that the like a spoonerism [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► more tourism and yeah but anyway so then [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► then the her Christmas went away but the [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► evangelical missionaries started to [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► appear with their chick tracts and then [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► you know the college college church [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► people [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► uh-huh and I would sit and talk to them [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► for endless hours [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► oh my goodness and part of it was I was [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► genuinely curious and i genuinely wanted [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► to get to the bottom of the logical [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► proper their logical process like okay [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► explain it explain that again like [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► because I not being raised in a [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► Christian tradition like I didn't even [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► fully understand the transubstantiation [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► of ground that's that doesn't even apply [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► and even jealous ilysm but like I didn't [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► get the logic of dying for someone [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► else's sins even I mean that was all [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► stuff that i needed explain to me and [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► would sit and listen to it and and I [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► wasn't really even debating I was just [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► absorbing and I would sit legs crossed [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► and also I didn't want to be rude but [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► like I would I in an airport I would put [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► my bag down and go sit over and it in [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► set of chairs with them and they would [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► get very excited because you know that's [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► a problem they got a live one [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► yeah that's right it's probably a [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► thankless job and when they hook a [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► bigmouth bass like me and sit down and [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► start talking to him about that stuff [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► it's we would i would have some lively [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► conversations with some real well [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► well many people and for a while I would [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► time between 18 and 19 years old I [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► walked around wondering about the [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► process that i would have to undergo in [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► order to in order to become an [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► evangelical person because I also [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► believed in magic or miracles or I [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► believed in transformation I believed in [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► epiphany and so I was very open multiple [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► times in my life I've been very open to [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► epiphany and island in the same way that [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► you would try to conjure an orb try to [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► conjure nor but her butt but very open [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► to in in particular the possibility of [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► Christian epiphany when I was walking [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► across europe i was a don't know if I [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► ever told you the story but i was [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► walking along the danube outside of [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► Vienna and i'm walking along the dike [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► right the the Danube is diked for much [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► of its length and so it's an enormous [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► river and these are enormous dykes on [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► either side and i'm walking on this dike [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► and I hear this voice shout out [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► launderer von der ER and I turn around [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► and there's this little sort of a [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► leprechaun who is resting in the shade [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► of a of like am the utility box like a [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► like a big metal some kind of water [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► maintenance box and he stands up and he [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► is he has almost a bindle wanna stick [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► right he's got a he's got a he's got a [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► little bag and got his little hiking [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► boots and a long red beard and kind of [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► longer share and he's not a very talk I [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► five and a half feet tall and he comes [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► over he starts hammering me in German [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► and I'm like I don't speak German and he [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► and he speaks some English and he says [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► what are you doing you're clearly a [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► wonderer I'd like I am a wanderer you [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► are right sir you have you have you have [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► identified me correctly and he said I [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► too am a wanderer [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► where are you going and I said I'm going [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► at the time I wouldn't tell people I was [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► going to Istanbul because i had a policy [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► in my heart that you do not say you are [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► walking to Istanbul because it's too [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► crazy sounding and you'll never make it [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► if you say you'll curse yourself but I [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► said I'm walking to Romania and he said [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► I am also walking to Romania let us walk [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► together and for three days [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► Bernard and I walked together toward [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► romania and we walked into slovakia [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► together and we walked into hungry [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► together and Bernard was amazing meeting [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► a wonderful man who had formerly owned [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► he was a ship captain who had owned a [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► Danube boat a longboat that transacted [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► and he was from lengths in Austria and [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► he was a boat captain on the Danny but [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► he had given it all away [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► given the boat away given his house away [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► in order to go on a pilgrimage to [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► Romania to discover what God had in [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► store for him [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► wow he was a one it was wonderful man [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► and after three days of walking together [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► i realized that i was honest I was on a [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► journey to Romania and he was on a [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► journey to Romania but those were [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► separate journeys because Bernard like [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► to camp burner did not understand not to [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► camp in a mosquito blog but there are a [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► lot of things Bernard was learning first [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► and he was older than I was right he was [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► 10 years older than I was but he didn't [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► know not to camp in a mosquito ballgame [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► that was the thing that I have learned [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► at a young age so we agreed at a certain [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► point along the road [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► let's meet up again you go your way I'll [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► go mine but we'll rendezvous again in [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► Romania [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► and he left he wrote likes a little map [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► on a on the back of a business card and [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► said when you get to Romania follow this [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► map anyway I'm got it's a long story i'm [TS]