Ep. 196: "The White Fresh Crüe"
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this episode of Roderick on the wine is
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sponsored by cards against humanity this
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month they asked the double clicks to
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help me say hi to john
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hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going
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good I i had some audio problems there
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and then I realized what I had done is I
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had muted muted the computer
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oh whatever happened to you i'm betting
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happens dormant yeah yeah i was watching
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The Young Ones last night on the YouTube
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and then I i I'm muted it after a while
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I just wanted to capture the visual
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components of civilians stick
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yeah I muted I think because it didn't
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because it because it wasn't as great as
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I remembered it being when in 1984
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yeah that's that that's that's a tall
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order yeah it's still it's still pretty
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manic did you watch University Challenge
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I did ya boy it's got its moments though
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you Lori Lori you get that get the m
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thompson yes team right all Emma
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Thompson isn't she wonderful
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mm you got you got to your head yeah
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Motorhead's there who all the greats in
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des moines animated sock at one point I
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think so and there's a yeah there are a
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few there's an animated sock that the
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washing machines rebell but let let's
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not talk about the young ones as much as
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I want to my this layers you know you
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got the other got to get a story you got
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your laundry gotta be story University
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Challenge you gotta see story which is
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no really really needs to use the toilet
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yeah if it keeps in his buzzer that's
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really have to go there's an episode of
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that show i don't think it's that 1i but
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it might be is that the wonders of this
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very brief like 30 second flash where
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they all play each other
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yeah that there is that and that's
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and then you only ever heard the guy who
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plays Neil I mean I don't unfamiliar
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with stuff he's done outside of their
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it's so weird to hear him not being Neil
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well yeah and and Rick does such a
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fantastic impression million billion
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that you're like oh wow that's a while
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that was really good you know then that
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show actually did introduce me to
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Motorhead I had no experience of
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motörhead until nineteen eighty-four
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whatever when I saw a Motorhead perform
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ace of spades on the young ones and I
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said whatever the hell kind of music
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that is I want it i'm gonna- name
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yeah yeah well i would go so far as to
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say that with the exception of glycine
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remember very well i would say madness
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with the exception of maybe like madness
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and they can you eat the man that the
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date when the damn door on there when
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they were in their vampire looking stage
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yeah I knew about the Damned because i
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was a big fan of Captain sensible oh I
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asked one of those names i just know
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captain sensible was a member of the
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Damned and he had a single very early on
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in mtv single called Walt wot ? huh
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the chorus to which meant i said captain
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that they said captain I said one is a
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so why this video like Captain so what
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and then some mother with lyrics is
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where it's almost a little bit papi
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well yeah it's it's sort of its little
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rappy and he is walking around sort of
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English and a hundred Allah o always
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thought it was public housing but maybe
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it is a hotel and and I really really
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connected with that song when i was 13
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or 14 and sew them then I they learn
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about the damned backwards which I guess
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you know how we're gonna do
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african-american and Puerto Rican people
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in particular from New York City get a
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credit for hip-hop mhm i don't think we
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give enough credit all the way people to
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help hip-hop well-proven colons and cute
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and columnist Mike use all that was I
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mean that's the Rosetta Stone of Rapids
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yeah it goes do you take James Brown you
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take your George Clinton but let's be
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honest it goes all the way back to a
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italian comedian yeah yeah who's making
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up who's making mouth sounds let you
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know so sure I mean he's word let's be
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honest he basically created rap
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yeah but then any would wrap have gotten
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if it weren't for Captain sensible if it
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weren't for uh Falco right if it weren't
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for blondie right they really
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popularized the genre i think so yeah
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yeah they should there should be like a
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baseball hall-of-fame except for the
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white people that really help wrap it in
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accountancy minnetonka know my parade
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sure and what about well now i'm trying
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to think did did annoying lift balloon
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now that's such a rap song
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see that's a you know just the Germans
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just the Germans and the Austrians alone
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that that helped popularize wrap that's
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a really good point i don't think i
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don't think white germanic peoples get
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the credit they deserve well for most
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things that don't
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well that's true that's good very
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well-organized think about how I think
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about the trains no sure I do I think
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about the trains know I know you pop
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would have gotten bigger if they spend
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more time doing German versions of songs
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like EE take something you know like a
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rappers delight I think if they done in
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German as well apparently they did that
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like very quickly you know and like a
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yeah well it'sit's it shows be given
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given the amount of technical and vocal
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dexterity that is required in
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contemporary rap when you listen to
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Sugar Hill Gang we listen to the
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original original like formative Rap
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Tracks it really does feel like people
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are improvising some words and i think
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one of the dudes the kids biggest part
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was ghostwritten I know this from
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probably a public radio show tonight
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what I know about rappers lame also also
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something that really popular
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strap public radio well I think could be
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honest with you I think I don't think
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Public Radio gets the credit it deserves
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you're right for making hip hop as big
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as it is it is you know you you have
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you've opened a a a whole line of
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inquiry there needs to be a netflix
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series about this that enough with the
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weed documentaries enough with the
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documentaries about food
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how about a six-part documentary on
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history of white people in rap music
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like you're like your crazy uncle yeah
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here's my name and I'm here to say like
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at the wedding reception you know for
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sure well you know I actually have some
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this is awful
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what I'm about to reveal but pre beastie
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boys gonna say 84 my friends and I had a
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hmm Wow and utterly days it and this is
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this is terrible but we were called the
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white fresh crew the weight freshman
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right yeah and we were Alaska that's
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right it does everything it says on the
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tin except for being fresh and being a
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we were created has been the white and
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i'm pretty sure that we sculpt crew like
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Motley Crue oh nice ride the white fresh
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uh-huh and what we didn't I'm not
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embarrassed about this but it's hot it
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maybe is hard to imagine it's almost
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like a alternate universe door that we
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didn't step through but we would on a
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friday night go into my basement and
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beatbox out here and rap to each other
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just and it was just the three or four
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of us and we wouldn't we would march in
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a circle right so we'd start walking and
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then we would take turns improvin and
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and but we will but we're marching right
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because because i am I don't know maybe
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the maybe the look or the rhythm of like
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four guys standing in a circle and of
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arms in a penis or like boom boom you
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know like yo-yo way maybe that had
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evolved yet more like a like a street
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corner and less like a circle jerk
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should have some emotion and what we
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were moving right yeah sure marching
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marching in a circle and we were kind of
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we were so we're doing the exact thing
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that we're wrapping into the center of
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the circle right we were marching like
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rapping in the back of our heads we were
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wrapping into the middle but we were we
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were emotion it's gonna get that kind of
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breakdancing vibe we got people kind of
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shucking and jiving next circle that's
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right that's right and we were we were
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with there was a breakdancing element
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but none of us would would would
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necessarily try to try to do any
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breaking but a you know it was tall
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wrapping around here where the white
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first crew and we take no crap you dish
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it out and it don't come back type of
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run DMC style rhymes
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yeah I caught the 123456 around yeah and
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we do this we did this for quite a while
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as a as a sort of you know friday
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evening half rack of beer and we were
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not we were doing it out of a kind of
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just pure enthusiasm for the style so
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this was so we were fans of DMC and the
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boogie boys and and the this like first
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generation of popularized like but rap
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music that had be become popularized to
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to mainstream right well i mean let me
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ask you this
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I know you and I are famously fast and
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loose with dates and I'm not trying to
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pin you down can you
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because it helps the story a little bit
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can you really mostly locate that in
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around nineteen eighty-four cuz that
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would also be around the time of
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Flashdance yeah which I mean select the
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right there at that I knew was like I
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knew the Apache song I knew about you
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you know I knew the the rapper's delight
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and you rapture I don't think it even
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heard nucleus yet jam on it was the one
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that made me fall in love with
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wrap-around i love jam on it with a
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little funny voice Wicky Wicky Wicky
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shut up you know
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but the 94 is a big year because thats
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you got it was really crossing over into
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like those videos there was there was
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famously there was breakdancing in
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Flashdance remember she comes she joins
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in with the kids that cute hat and she
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comes out and dances there was before
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was the year that rap broke
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what was the year of the movie breakin a
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break-in break-in came out drinking
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drinking prime I'm not easy for ya
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breaking came out in 84 and you know and
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that should have been a second one of
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well they did that like electric blue
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sad you it's the canonical second movie
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chip break-in and 84 so breaking came
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out and I feel like I mean you know
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again we're talking about anchorage but
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this was the this was them i think the
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exact moment when Alaska k the culture
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in Alaska caught up to the culture in
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America and now the two cultures were
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happening simultaneous with water
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contemporaneously right up until that
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point all of our television was on a was
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on a week delay because the Carson show
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would happen and then they would
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literally bundle the tapes up and fly
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them to Alaska and play them you know
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play them the following week
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wow so but even worse than that most
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cultural things disco and so forth like
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disco arrived in anchorage in about
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nineteen eighty years 79 right it was it
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was it was like time-delayed it was it
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was time delay all culture was sort of
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time delayed up there and in some ways
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that still is because if you get off an
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airplane in in Anchorage now it feels
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like it's 1994 i can tell you almost i
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think i can tell you almost everything i
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know about Alaska in like four bullets
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it's one of those two last States we
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strapped on that's right ok you got
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baked alaska which is really fancy fancy
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dessert on Alaska is where where Santa
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lives which is not actually correct and
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you've got uh you got that everything
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that the footnote at the bottom very
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prices something like prices higher in
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Alaska Hawaii
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yeah I don't think that even happens
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anymore i think that's from the
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seventies to that was always I mean
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every series commercial or whatever and
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Sergeant my gosh what one must be so
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difficult about that
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well yeah that you have to put it on a
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seal and barge but but in 1984 right we
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finally all had MTV and and it was
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happening cable TV allowed things to
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happen in real time and so we were
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seeing what America was seeing I was
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almost like time travel is also he
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skipped two years
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yeah we did it was just like everything
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got really fast all of a sudden and so
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we're we were up there
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formerly still really enthralled with
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Boston second record and then all of a
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sudden like rap music descended upon us
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and and new wave and pumpkin all sort of
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arrived at once in 80 81 82 so anyway 84
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yeah we're up there and and at that
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point there wasn't any there wasn't any
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indication that that there would be
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white rappers but but also there wasn't
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it was still sort of that mix of like
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there wasn't any indication that there
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would never be a white Michael Jackson
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either but didn't keep us all from being
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michael jackson all the time until at
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least tomorrow is it was it was uniquely
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located I mean I learned in retrospect
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that there are many other there's lots
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there's lots more to it than the obvious
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stuff but the stuff we knew about was
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mostly black people in a very urban
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setting in New York like maybe even in a
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identified as a borough of New York i
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will so that's in the seventies i think
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by the early eighties it had it had
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disseminated they disseminated pretty
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widely it was just that it didn't mean
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in the public eye
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what ya bum ya you mean to white people
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well yeah I mean I'm here looking at the
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wikipedia page 494 hop hop and you got
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you run DMC the first run DMC record you
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got Houdini right although 1984 the
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first run DMC record which which
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descended upon us like a like a thousand
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right that we knew every word in that
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album Mike my group of friends and I and
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whatever was crazy was when that beastie
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boys record came out which was in 86
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only a couple years later it was it was
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that weird feeling like wait a minute we
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thought of this but if we were doing
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this exact thing that could have been us
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it could have been us
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yeah they could have come from Alaska
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instead of three Jewish kids from from
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the lower east side if we could have
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been the Alaska Beastie Boys and so
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there was a lot of I felt a lot of sort
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of resentment to that first pc boys
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record because it was almost exactly
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what we would have done right whiny
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drinky like you would a person
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essentially helped to liven up and
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refresh the genre with a whole new spin
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and and and production like nobody's
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ever heard before
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well but it was it like automatically
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right the beastie boys did not try to be
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anything that they weren't all right
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yeah they were just like we are not just
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kids where snot-nosed kids and these
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songs are about masturbation and
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drinking beer and aspiring to be to be
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cool and that that's you know that was
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kind of the that was what was cool about
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them but that is also what would have
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been cool about the white fresh crew
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crew didn't have a tree since John I
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don't know we mean only started having a
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lot over the you
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oh yes it did it I mean that we didn't
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we spend a lot more time drawing album
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covers for the truly awful band which
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was which was our other music act truly
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awful man in the white fresh crew were
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pretty much the same members and the
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same and the same era as a lot easier
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talking about did the stratosphere tense
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situation yeah exactly exactly were the
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we were the head cotys as well as being
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the head coats
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but but alas neither neither act mean
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the truly awful band actually played a
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couple of shows who I think the I think
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if we get our rap i think maybe we we
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tried to wrap at a party once where r
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where female a component was their
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female component of my gang
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yeah and the girls in my gang worse were
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stronger than the boys as is also often
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the case and they scorned us we started
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to wrap in a circle
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I'm sorry I'm gonna hurt we got scored
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pretty hard so we stopped doing that
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oh we stopped doing it publicly I think
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we kept doing it amongst ourselves for a
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while the other problem was I don't
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think we ever wrote our raps down
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because we understood it to be an extemp
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rising games and oral tradition that's
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right and so it was we never SAT like
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him like eminem in the bus scrolling are
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rhymes in a notebook
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we just we just let them go into the air
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so if you've got if you will be like
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you'll be like writing a short story
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about touch football like that you just
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go out and play touch football you in
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right about it like a pretty small
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yeah so it was it was if you if you
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scored a good a good little but bomo as
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they say this and wrap and wrap you
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would just everyone would acknowledge it
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with like maha uh-huh but then it's not
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like you would try and grab it and then
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put a leash on it and drag it back to
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earth also yeah you're very least in the
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times I've known your we're more prosaic
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em there's a I'm not to say that you're
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not capable of short blasts of spitting
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rhymes as they say but you know you're
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more of a long-form probably stop
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polysyllabic kind of guy
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well this was your fellow your flow
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works on five thousand word level this
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is what I mean about stepping through a
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stepping through it a door to another
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thing right there all those moments when
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you look back in life and go if that
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head because it absolutely resonated
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with me and connected
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me and with my friends if we had felt
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just that little bit more liberty to to
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say this is actually something that i
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really want to do you know you step
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through and then maybe I would have
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become somebody that because it when I
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several years later i was living in a
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house where all of my roommates were
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rappers and sat around wrapping all the
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time but by that point I understood that
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I was not that was not I was not
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basically invited to sit down it at the
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on the couch and and rhyme with
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everybody like my job at that point was
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to roll joints and not appreciatively
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but you know it could have been so much
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different to all your ok i see how maybe
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I could have been or maybe I could have
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a a decided that that was where I was
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going to pour my clear the eighties the
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Golden Age of we talked about before the
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extra guy in the band you can have a
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professor Griff like who's there to give
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you some philosophical guidance you got
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the dancing guy and Happy Mondays maybe
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Jonathan girls the joints
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yeah but i would have wanted a more
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featured role right i mean I maybe can
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roll them on stage is I like to be the
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guy at a party that rolled joints i
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really did it would give me an activity
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i could sit at the i consider the coffee
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table right in the center of the party
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right you're right there right in the
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yeah you've got a job and it's an
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important job anywhere between the
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Somali a magician yeah right i mean yet
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people are going to you don't have to do
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anything you want to talk you don't have
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to do anything because you're rolling
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joints but you can and if you start
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talking everybody's gonna like it's like
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H&R Block right you're going to
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everybody wants to be really busy for
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comments here
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yeah everybody wants to hear what you've
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got to say my shot at smith barney
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that's rolling me yeah mr. Barney who
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Smith Barney was that kind of wine
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cooler right
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yep yet anyway morning James so I would
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just I mean but you're also you're
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showing off your expertise to roll a
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joint is thing that requires a certain
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certain amount of
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I'm not just find a spot like to roll a
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good joint and I could roll a good joint
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everyone you get done and just sort of
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you do that thing where you tip it up so
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now the joint is pointing up in the air
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so everyone can see it you're like
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almost it is a revealing magicians
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reveal ya la la la la and then all
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everyone starts salivating they can't
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wait to get their hands on this joint
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but maybe you don't hand it to somebody
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maybe put it down on the coffee table
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maybe you know maybe you lay out three
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or four of them before you start having
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amount so that everybody can see that
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their uniform that each one you know the
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day that they're beautiful matched set
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hmm so that was the job that I really
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appointed I i pointed myself that that
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job and of course I never had the pot
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right the I didn't bring pot to the
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I didn't have any money right but but
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so the person that had the pot could
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also conveyed to the room that they were
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big enough deal that they didn't need to
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sit rolling joints right they have the
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pot and so rolling the joint allowed me
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then to have some ownership over the
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weed so I didn't have to stand there
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like a goofball and be like who you
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gonna pass that over here well you're
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certainly you're adding value
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I've added value precisely it so the guy
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with the pot is like are you know I'm
00:23:08
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too big a deal to to be rolling joints
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that's a that's the Romans work but but
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then I even having rolled the joints i
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was entitled at least to take up in
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order to take one of those joints for
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mhm right you know you roll 5 slip one
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in your pack of cigarettes and and
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everybody feels right everybody feels
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right about it
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this is this is all going in my moochers
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Bible mmm that's a good idea when I
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finally write the Boosters Bible indeed
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as an e-book know i'm thinking it's like
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►
something that be in airport bookstores
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►
something you read on an airplane urban
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►
survivalist Bible like you like dr.
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Strangelove Bible like you like it's
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like a tiny little what's called the
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moochers what the moochers Bible yes
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Bible and that could be very small like
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it could slip into a wallet
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it should or or
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you certainly will ensure pocket it
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should be about the size of a pack of
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cigarettes and it should be inexpensive
00:24:02
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►
enough to replace because your friends
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probably steal from from you because
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let's be honest amateur well sure I mean
00:24:07
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you're probably going to try and steal
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it from the bookstore in the first place
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yep but the other the only problem I
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think is that a lot of my a lot of the
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tenants in the moochers Bible aren't
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really applicable anymore nobody smokes
00:24:20
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well yeah what are you gonna do but go
00:24:22
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walk up to somebody on the street and
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asked for a cigarette because a dollar
00:24:25
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yeah so yeah I mean that they've got
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really costly that's invading the vaping
00:24:31
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►
is not such a park anymore either San
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►
Francisco's coming down hard on the
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►
vapors uh you mean they're taxing vapor
00:24:37
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►
well I look at my daughter school
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there's a sign right out front says no
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smoking and yes no vaping either and
00:24:44
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►
that was a big robot cigarettes so you
00:24:45
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►
can say like look here don't do that
00:24:47
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►
don't do that
00:24:49
◼
►
what was the question with vaping isn't
00:24:51
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►
so much i don't think that that it's you
00:24:54
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►
know you can no longer do it on
00:24:55
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►
airplanes or whatever but more that you
00:24:57
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cannot you can't mooch a toke off
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somebody's baby can you it seems like a
00:25:01
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►
very personal line mucha took off
00:25:03
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►
somebody's vape I don't know the kids i
00:25:05
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see in our neighborhood have very
00:25:06
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sophisticated looking ones they look
00:25:08
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kinda like a magazine with remote
00:25:09
◼
►
control from 1977's something that you
00:25:12
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►
would see where they don't wanna the
00:25:13
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►
cantina scene in the original starting
00:25:16
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►
original Star Trek where they are where
00:25:18
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►
they listen to you have many good men
00:25:20
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►
and vaping yeah what brought about by
00:25:22
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little by little deal actually took a
00:25:25
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nap you took another fellows de Paul so
00:25:27
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►
that they have a lot of fruit flavors I
00:25:28
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►
think there's a lot of variety to the
00:25:30
◼
►
vaping today used to be got you know
00:25:32
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►
Marburg or camel
00:25:34
◼
►
well now you can have any kind of flavor
00:25:35
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►
really good mmmm fall people's menthol
00:25:39
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►
smoking is a purely defensive tactic i
00:25:42
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►
know anything about this from people i
00:25:44
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►
know you think that it's true if you
00:25:46
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►
smoke menthols people don't want to bum
00:25:47
◼
►
cigarettes from you but I there but
00:25:49
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people claim that the men fall is an
00:25:53
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►
additional thing you get addicted to
00:25:56
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►
I believe it so now you don't even want
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►
to smoke a normal cigarette you have
00:26:00
◼
►
anything in your mouth enough eventually
00:26:01
◼
►
gonna want their but you price your it
00:26:04
◼
►
if you get into mental smoking in order
00:26:06
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►
to keep people from bumming cigarettes
00:26:08
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►
it's you price yourself out of ever
00:26:11
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►
becoming a cigarette from anybody else
00:26:13
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so in the end what started off maybe as
00:26:16
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a defensive technique ends up biting you
00:26:19
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mm because you don't like to buy your
00:26:20
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own petard that's exactly what it is
00:26:22
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►
yeah you go to a bar near like and one
00:26:24
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of those and you oh it's just a Marlboro
00:26:26
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like I need to go dip that in the candy
00:26:28
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came because I can't enjoy a cigarette
00:26:32
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that doesn't taste like a fresh breeze
00:26:33
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►
on the bottoms cool mountain that but
00:26:37
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i'm i'm curious about whether and I
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maybe some of our bit vaping listeners
00:26:41
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will will chime in on this
00:26:44
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yeah but if you're hanging out around it
00:26:47
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standard in a circle maybe doing some
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marching and some some rapping
00:26:51
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everybody's presumably got their own the
00:26:56
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vapor cigarette right you don't take a
00:26:58
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►
token and pass it on
00:26:59
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►
it's not a bomb right so it's it's a big
00:27:03
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part of this is my whole identity thing
00:27:05
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to it when I see these kids and their
00:27:06
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sports where they usually other
00:27:07
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►
sunglasses on the back of her neck and
00:27:09
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they're walking around making vapes yeah
00:27:11
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►
baby it wasn't an energy drink
00:27:13
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the other thing i noticed a lot about
00:27:14
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vapors is they do that leg thing that
00:27:16
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shaky leg thing remember when you're a
00:27:18
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teenager and you got energy and your
00:27:19
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legs always in motion they seem very
00:27:21
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keyed up the vapors and you can really
00:27:24
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identify them you know that's the energy
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oh I know I mean well you know a certain
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point I don't know she can't even
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separate them the vaping the energy
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drink i don't know i don't know it feels
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like a lifestyle it feels i got like a
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whole kind of community college
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yeah haha doesn't have a little bit of
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well it always did but I but I'm seeing
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a lot of I'm seeing a lot of urban
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sophisticates now
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well that's not columns systems but
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urban people that I would normally that
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would normally in the past have seen
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smoking cigarettes which is a universal
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indication that you are you that you are
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cool and rock and roll right there are
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still a lot of those people actually
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smoking cigarettes burning cigarettes
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which I which i can't i can't fathom was
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walking through the cool neighborhood
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yesterday was like
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my god people are still smoking
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cigarettes they're comfortable in
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Manhattan i noticed that people still
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gonna still true now last moment and I
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was struck by how many people still
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smoke still smoking cigarettes but i'm
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not here to judge but I mean that's that
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does it that you don't see it as much
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around here for sure
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let's be honest you are judging no i'm
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not i'm judging the way people hard and
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I want to distinguish first of all I
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just want to say i don't want to talk
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about this please don't email me about
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this please don't treat me about this i
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don't want to be persuaded about vaping
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please keep it to yourself
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let me let me just criticize you yeah on
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my own please
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sure it's one thing you're right it's
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ready out mr. that's my right it's one
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thing to go out I you know and I'm going
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and I don't care but like I'm
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distinguishing between you get this is
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smoking over here this event that
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there's like you could buy the
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disposable ones that look like
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cigarettes right that's that that's
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really friendly look down the vapors
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look down on that that's real kid stuff
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I really there's their v that are
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disposable that look like cigarette yeah
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they're awesome they're not they're not
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one hitters no one hitters that look
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like cigarettes tho yes
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cool yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah super
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cool but no but they had their purpose
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and then you got the ones that are more
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like what i would call the ethernet
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wizard cigarette and that's more like
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the little one let's get playing a flute
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yeah thatthat's I think those the
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Picasso serious vapors now carry this
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thing that looks I haven't paid a lot of
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attention to it but I see them sometimes
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in the neighborhoods are unavoidable and
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it's it's a little bigger than like a
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sailor zenith remote control i would say
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it's a little bit smaller than the gyro
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mechanism you used for a remote-control
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plane is what if it's big I mean if it's
00:29:50
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like the size of a Walkman what i did
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when i got a big butt plug coming out of
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it you talk on to make your Papes yeah
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when i see that i always think of that
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episode of the episode of the one show
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where Frey gets the magic he gets the
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devil hands he gets the robot devil
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hands here on the double switch hands
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okay right in the devil once human hands
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and and and he offers fri though the the
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robot hands devil hands Frey gets the
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devil hands and then suddenly he can
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The Magic Flute that conjures images
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right if you have a complicated plot for
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half hour show
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well yeah but that's the thing that they
00:30:34
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got done making the simpsons or whatever
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then maybe get done making the simpsons
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but same people right yeah oh yeah i
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think it's the same it started out as
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the same roughish team
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yeah so I mean a lot of shots a fun show
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my smarts there anyway so he's playing
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the he's playing them the magic flute
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and it conjures up these images of him
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dancing with Leela and he wins Lila's
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heart but then at the end he doesn't he
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doesn't consummate consummate the
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relationship with Leela because that's
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basically the that would ruin the show
00:31:07
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the whole show would end and I thought
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that's the same and I a moment Sam Sam
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and Diane moment that's right at that
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point at that point Diane has exactly
00:31:16
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but anyway so with fries playing this
00:31:18
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crazy electric flute with his devil
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robot hands and that is what I cannot
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not see that when I see people vaping on
00:31:26
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the street I just feel like since I i
00:31:29
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think yeah I can I get you but to me
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it's almost like the way you feel
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watching people use a blackberry where
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before and even in the early days of the
00:31:36
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iphone a lot of people were still always
00:31:38
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using their BlackBerry's and they were
00:31:39
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talking about how much they loved using
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their blackberries but nobody i've never
00:31:42
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seen by look happy using a blackberry
00:31:43
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never get people were vaping did they
00:31:46
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look like they're like better no shame
00:31:48
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of what they're doing because the whole
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well they should be
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I mean it's real silly nothing against
00:31:53
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it i mean he didn't have fun but
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it'sit's does look very silly i think i
00:31:58
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think some of that might be that we just
00:31:59
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do not live in that suburban there that
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XO city that the edge of a city where
00:32:06
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people are influenced by the city i'm
00:32:08
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talking about an agent 1x herb and
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observed that you're saying you're
00:32:12
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saying you're at a an umbrella table
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outside the quiznos by the old starbucks
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and you're making it up
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I'm i think that as you leave this if
00:32:21
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you're in the center of the city and you
00:32:22
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are and your pants are riding low and
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your vaping and you have a white
00:32:26
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baseball cap on backwards people in the
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city recognize us from elsewhere but as
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you move further and further out of a
00:32:35
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city you reach a borderland
00:32:38
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where where all the cultures interact
00:32:42
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right and you can be out there in that
00:32:44
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borderland making alternative theater
00:32:47
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because that's because you cannot forget
00:32:49
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the different kind of stew
00:32:51
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it's the children of people who work at
00:32:53
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costco meeting with the children of
00:32:54
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people who work at sam's club and
00:32:55
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they're all they're all they're all
00:32:56
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meeting together and it's a great
00:32:57
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goulash cultural goulash
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well yeah I mean especially now that
00:33:01
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cities are too expensive to live in
00:33:02
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right we're seeing we're seeing the
00:33:04
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receiving the downtown culture makers
00:33:07
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moving out as the exam billion children
00:33:13
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characters move in and you get into this
00:33:17
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weird realm where people are vaping
00:33:20
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ironically and right next to people who
00:33:23
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are vaping very earnestly and you go at
00:33:27
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the ice vapors right I can't tell the
00:33:29
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one from the other now I mean there are
00:33:31
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people who've a parent it's very cool
00:33:33
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they make it look cool and it's similar
00:33:34
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to communicate to learn about the word
00:33:38
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well what is cool anymore Merlin is
00:33:40
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Miles Davis you can see miles davis
00:33:41
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doing that I think that the next Miles
00:33:45
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Davis is right now i'll probably says
00:33:49
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sixteen-year-old vapor Miles Davis to
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point out well probably now for point
00:33:54
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out for the out like Miles Davis ex was
00:33:57
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a pretty good must have snacks that's
00:33:58
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pretty good yeah i'm sure it was what I
00:34:00
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think it would just be miles X minus X
00:34:03
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yeah but yeah I think I think that there
00:34:05
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i think vaping is here to stay and I
00:34:07
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think it only looks ridiculous to us but
00:34:10
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in a very short amount of time it will
00:34:11
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just be as natural to to the young
00:34:14
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people as anything much more natural
00:34:16
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than cigarettes cigarettes are gonna
00:34:17
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look like some elder make that 19 know
00:34:21
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they're gonna make the fifties look like
00:34:23
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yeah exactly well i'm also i agree with
00:34:26
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you about people having to move out the
00:34:28
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city's I'm interested in what happens
00:34:29
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within the next what probably two years
00:34:31
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for everybody cool is going to live
00:34:33
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outside the city everybody lives in the
00:34:35
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city is going to be a douchebag who's
00:34:36
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making makes apps what's what's the
00:34:38
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opposite of a Bridge and Tunnel crowd
00:34:40
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right but what if we get to where people
00:34:42
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are going they're going out to the
00:34:43
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exurbs because that's where the good
00:34:45
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skate ramps and of apes are you know
00:34:47
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saying yeah I feel like it will continue
00:34:49
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to be called bridge-and-tunnel little
00:34:51
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to be bridgend people taking bridges and
00:34:53
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tunnels to get out of the downtown core
00:34:55
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rather than go into it it's a different
00:34:58
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it's the whole it's all white flight
00:35:00
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premise but not in Reverse but sort of
00:35:05
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in Reverse like fleeing not not fleeing
00:35:09
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from the decline of the inner city
00:35:12
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because it has become a like dangerous
00:35:16
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and uh and decaying but flight leaving
00:35:19
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from the inner city because it's
00:35:21
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intolerable tolerably smug man that's
00:35:26
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that's that's going to get trend piece
00:35:28
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that's gonna be a trend piece in the
00:35:29
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next couple years I mean already already
00:35:31
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see it like in our local paper coom
00:35:33
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website if there's already like there's
00:35:35
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a huge amount of the front page that
00:35:36
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goes to come here buddy what somebody is
00:35:38
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selling this teardown for ya
00:35:40
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and then there's the of course the
00:35:41
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component piece of that is but if you
00:35:44
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move to you know Dumbledore pleasanton
00:35:46
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you can get a 6,000 acre ranch for nine
00:35:50
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yea Pleasant and was intent on the part
00:35:52
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I think you know I think that that
00:35:55
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honestly right the the last 20 years has
00:35:58
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has seen the burbs
00:36:01
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let's call it the last 30 years saw all
00:36:05
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this you know these mega mansions or
00:36:07
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Mick mansions but they're McMansions
00:36:10
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kind of gross overly large houses with
00:36:13
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three-story atrium and then that the
00:36:15
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tria the cheaper knockoff version that
00:36:18
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mention Kings mansion King come and
00:36:22
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they're always intervention chef in
00:36:24
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I you know I I don't have a TV you know
00:36:27
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what a butt out there in these like
00:36:29
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manicured neighborhoods with these over
00:36:33
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large homes and now nobody wants to live
00:36:36
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in them anymore but i think we're going
00:36:39
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to see an exodus of people from the city
00:36:42
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who will move out there and find that
00:36:45
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that they can get these huge huge homes
00:36:49
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look like seven beds super cheap where
00:36:53
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the weather cell they sell at way under
00:36:55
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market value to get out
00:36:56
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yeah it makes it available goes on the
00:36:58
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market oh that's super interesting and
00:37:00
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then these neighborhoods are suddenly
00:37:01
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going to become vibrant places because
00:37:03
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these homes are going to have like
00:37:05
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three different families living and
00:37:07
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regeneration of different families it's
00:37:09
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gonna become the equivalent of I mean
00:37:11
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that would be so great you can have
00:37:13
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three different families living in one
00:37:15
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of these giant giant houses they're just
00:37:16
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they're really using the pool they don't
00:37:17
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have a pool it's think clean there's
00:37:19
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like 60 kids in the pool
00:37:20
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that's right and maybe it's like an
00:37:22
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ad-hoc apartment maybe 9 a-9 like a like
00:37:27
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a scream poets will all move into
00:37:30
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Lauren's mega-mansion out in the suburbs
00:37:33
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and and you know they're gonna start
00:37:36
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seeing like interesting sculptures
00:37:38
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appear in the yard
00:37:39
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I mean those those neighborhoods could
00:37:41
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are ripe to be colonized by uh by this
00:37:45
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like dramatic creative class that can no
00:37:47
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longer make make a theater in warehouses
00:37:51
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so I'm excited about that and I wonder I
00:37:55
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wonder I mean maybe there will be life
00:37:57
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on those streets maybe they will
00:37:58
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suddenly be kids riding their writing
00:38:01
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there a unicycle or whatever kids ride a
00:38:04
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get a recumbent bike or a hotter board
00:38:07
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yeah it'll be like little it will
00:38:09
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literally make the 2020 these look at
00:38:12
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look like the fifties em the 2020s are
00:38:16
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going to make the 2010 look like
00:38:20
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nineteen nineties and early nineteen
00:38:23
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nineties are going to make the 2020s
00:38:25
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look like the fifties manslaughter
00:38:27
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Collins so I mean at you know what as as
00:38:30
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the parents of of young kids we might
00:38:32
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start to think about like hey let's go
00:38:35
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out there by one of those as mega
00:38:37
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mansions that has like two gold lions on
00:38:40
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yeah and you know move in and then
00:38:43
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suddenly the master you've got a master
00:38:45
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that's like 1,500 square feet and your
00:38:49
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kid has a as their own bedroom but also
00:38:51
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their own den ah and you can rollerskate
00:38:54
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in the living room you can make one of
00:38:55
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the rooms into just like a jungle
00:38:57
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playroom jungle playroom you could hire
00:38:59
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a local maker somebody with a hot glue
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down a book they could come out and they
00:39:02
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can make a jungle inside one of the
00:39:04
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rooms the kids could plan here's what
00:39:05
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I'm thinking I'm thinking let's let you
00:39:08
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taking internet you buy a mansion a
00:39:10
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former you know mansion king and then
00:39:12
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you you take it out however you want and
00:39:14
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then and you buy a google bus
00:39:17
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and that way now you got a cheap way
00:39:19
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easy way to get people in and out of the
00:39:21
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city you can still go to the city if you
00:39:23
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need baby supplies or work and it's a
00:39:26
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lot easier than have known a bunch of
00:39:27
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cars and you know something that
00:39:28
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sculpture on the line i think we don't
00:39:30
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want cars on one
00:39:31
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no that's true see but whatever cars are
00:39:34
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going to Waverly I know I know but 11
00:39:36
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google but especially you know you can
00:39:38
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try grease or or as son
00:39:41
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mhm I don't know I'm just saying the
00:39:42
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economies of scale here everybody kicks
00:39:44
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in a little bit you could by mentioning
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pretty pretty cheap probably now you
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you've got your finger on the pulse of
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e-commerce and entrepreneurship think I
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do yeah so tell me are we closer to an
00:39:57
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omen we're going to get a lot of letters
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about this from Johnson cuza hoo-ha but
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uh are we closer now to the paperless
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office are we closer to people just
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working from home or do people continue
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to need to come into the city where they
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have free fruit loops in a giant fruit
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loop dispenser as one of the perks of
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their open plan office beanbag chair
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mhm people going to continue to come in
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for the fruit loops and the beanbag
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chairs or are the engineers one day
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going to completely rebell and say
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listen has an engineer I no longer need
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to ever wear pants again
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yeah and i'm just going to code from the
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enormous beanbag sex chair that is the
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only item of furniture in mind in the
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entire mega-mansion and I get the
00:40:47
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Lamborghini poster lamborghini poster
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and the and the enormous beanbag chair
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and they're just in there just coding
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they've got like six screens they get
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their own fruit loops dispenser nice
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they never need to come into the city at
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all it are we closer to that or is there
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it is there something about that the is
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there something about the proximity to
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one another the standup desks and the
00:41:13
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and the conference rooms that make going
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into San Francisco necessary for for for
00:41:20
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commerce the honest answer the funny
00:41:23
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I want the honest answer it has existed
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already for a long time there's a lot of
00:41:28
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people that there are a lot of companies
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that when they started
00:41:32
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that's how they started they started
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with people working remotely one of the
00:41:34
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big problems with trying to reduce all
00:41:36
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this revolutionary bullshit in the
00:41:37
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company's is that it works against the
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principles upon which the company was
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started and it works directly at odds
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with the culture that's kind of it's
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been the nation culture since the play
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started you know what I mean
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so it's like it it's almost like think
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of a family like a passive-aggressive
00:41:53
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western family and Midwestern family who
00:41:56
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likes a movie where the family likes
00:41:58
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each other it's ok for now I'm walking
00:41:59
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to like each other as well that's easier
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said than done because this is the way
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we have always acted it's hard to just
00:42:04
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you don't get to hit a reset button and
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terraforming family right so i think
00:42:08
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that's one so on the one hand I think it
00:42:11
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always has existed for some companies i
00:42:13
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mean i i've worked with companies where
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everybody's on contract and all but like
00:42:16
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three people work remotely and so what
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then is doing the other part of that is
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that I think this is the sea dance with
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a funny answer switch again and also
00:42:25
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people like to think there's a certain
00:42:29
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way of managing only managing where it's
00:42:32
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definitely easier to have everybody in
00:42:33
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the room but honestly it's also
00:42:34
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sometimes easier to collaborate with
00:42:36
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people in a room even or especially with
00:42:37
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things like engineers you get a lot more
00:42:39
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accomplished when you can be
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face-to-face with somebody so this idea
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ok let's ok let's think about this but I
00:42:46
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mean so there's still much more to that
00:42:47
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you can still have things we can still
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like have the occasional like weekly
00:42:50
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meeting and stand up and everybody's
00:42:51
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trying different things and then there's
00:42:53
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nobody who says I want nobody anymore he
00:42:55
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says I want the kind of job i think my
00:42:57
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grandparents had no I don't want a job
00:42:59
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we have to go and likes in a big
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building with artificial light and
00:43:02
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windows that don't open and just and and
00:43:04
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sit around and do this point nobody
00:43:06
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wants that it's just that there isn't
00:43:07
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any easy way to say that what what is if
00:43:10
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you don't want that then what do you
00:43:11
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want because this complexity that's what
00:43:13
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I'm saying that like my what I'm trying
00:43:14
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to imagine is let's let's let's picture
00:43:18
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one of these exurbs one of these
00:43:21
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McMansion villages and let's say that it
00:43:25
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becomes a colony right where everyone
00:43:28
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who lives in that neighborhood is an
00:43:29
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engineer so they're all working offshore
00:43:33
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four different one second it's literally
00:43:35
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a village village that shoemaker you got
00:43:38
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barber you got a-you got am working till
00:43:41
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you got all these people and they work
00:43:42
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together and with each other you're
00:43:44
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saying here is the same thing is
00:43:46
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literally a village just over here you
00:43:47
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got a programmer over here you gotta my
00:43:49
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single person you get a full stack
00:43:50
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person you're right
00:43:52
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XHTML HTML exactly this guy over here is
00:43:56
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doing ironic 8-bit animations for people
00:43:59
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who decided that the cool websites are
00:44:02
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throwback websites and then I think a
00:44:04
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lot of those McMansion neighborhoods in
00:44:07
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the in it as they were building them
00:44:08
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they were trying to create trying to
00:44:11
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falsely to create a feeling of community
00:44:13
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and so they would actually build like
00:44:15
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community centers where they met that
00:44:19
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had barbecues and stuff that where they
00:44:21
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imagine the people would congregate for
00:44:23
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that feeling of togetherness completely
00:44:26
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failing to understand that that the
00:44:27
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premise of constructing those whole
00:44:29
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neighborhood's was that no one wanted to
00:44:31
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interact with each other at all you
00:44:33
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would park your lexus 300 in the in the
00:44:37
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you're not even want to get out of your
00:44:39
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car outside you don't want to get into
00:44:41
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the garage closed the garage door and
00:44:42
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then get out
00:44:43
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that's right so but now we're picturing
00:44:45
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a colony of Engineers all living
00:44:48
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together and they do they do use the the
00:44:52
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communal space as an office communal
00:44:54
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office and a communal like gathering
00:44:57
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point where they're sharing ideas
00:44:58
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they're they're you know they're showing
00:45:01
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their stuff and their kids are all
00:45:03
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around them and then all of a sudden the
00:45:05
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google bus only comes the google bus
00:45:07
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comes every day because that's the
00:45:09
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►
amazon prime bus now which comes and
00:45:13
◼
►
delivers all the groceries and all the
00:45:14
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►
supplies that everybody is all that's so
00:45:18
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►
that's right before different services
00:45:19
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that you know kind of trickling in
00:45:21
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throughout the day you do a big you do
00:45:22
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it's like it's like escape from new york
00:45:24
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the helicopter comes and drop supplies
00:45:26
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yeah it's a semi still our escape from
00:45:28
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new york john that's the thing it
00:45:30
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becomes not a walled city because if we
00:45:32
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►
want to come it's open right but you
00:45:34
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►
would never need to leave your
00:45:36
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neighborhood and it could become like a
00:45:37
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think tank right this would you that it
00:45:40
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►
would be like it would be like in the
00:45:42
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►
original movie Tron where the bit the
00:45:44
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beam of light of the master control
00:45:46
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is beaming up out of these neighborhoods
00:45:49
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►
and all the engineers that to all the
00:45:51
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engineering for the entire city of San
00:45:53
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►
Francisco are just living together and
00:45:56
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►
then you've got your alternative theater
00:45:57
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neighborhood over here you've got your
00:45:59
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entrepreneur neighborhood where the
00:46:02
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entrepreneurs who are self-conscious
00:46:03
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about their money want to live in the
00:46:06
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kind of McMansion house that maybe they
00:46:10
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►
once upon a time would have lived in as
00:46:12
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a serious mansion house
00:46:13
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►
yeah now that the mansion houses are are
00:46:16
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seen as like middle-class collective
00:46:19
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►
homes they actually want to move into
00:46:21
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►
them as a way of just of camouflaging
00:46:23
◼
►
their wealth but you'll want to be
00:46:25
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around because you're gonna Ryan ironic
00:46:27
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►
mansion you know you may want to keep
00:46:30
◼
►
going around ironically let's call it a
00:46:31
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►
mac mansion it's not a McMansion anymore
00:46:34
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►
its a Mac mansion that's right huh
00:46:38
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►
so the entrepreneurs actually still have
00:46:40
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their 8,000 square-foot warehouse in San
00:46:44
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►
Francisco but now they realize that
00:46:46
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their that they have to slum out in the
00:46:49
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suburbs where all the action is it
00:46:51
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►
mostly good like I saw this thing
00:46:52
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somebody finally posted this thing of
00:46:54
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►
the day it's this way of it's like a pod
00:46:55
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►
you can get from it for your backyard
00:46:57
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►
for a home office actually super cool
00:46:59
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►
its kind of thing you'd see like that up
00:47:01
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►
you know in the nineteen seventies it's
00:47:03
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►
a very comfortable like mostly glass
00:47:06
◼
►
thing that can just get dropped in your
00:47:08
◼
►
backyard and you can do your business
00:47:09
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►
right in the backyard
00:47:10
◼
►
I can see people living I think this is
00:47:11
◼
►
a popular trend right now is that what
00:47:13
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►
he called the micro house or whatever
00:47:14
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►
the meetinghouse Michael many of them
00:47:16
◼
►
yeah your micro mini house would be
00:47:17
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►
likes a bunk bed and gas stove and about
00:47:20
◼
►
you get to find this stuff gets a
00:47:21
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►
horizontal slots slots you know so you
00:47:23
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►
can well it out a little bit you know so
00:47:25
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►
so no not only primary place you would
00:47:27
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live in the mac mansion or the McMansion
00:47:29
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►
you would never actually a convention
00:47:30
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►
right and then we have all the micro pod
00:47:32
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►
pods in the so they start off in the
00:47:36
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►
backyard but then people realize what
00:47:38
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►
are we hiding from this is our community
00:47:41
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►
so then the pod start start popping up
00:47:43
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►
in people's front yards and then odds
00:47:46
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►
than the pods become a separate network
00:47:49
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►
a separate like network of of a like a
00:47:54
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►
like another another connective layer of
00:47:59
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►
that's that's within the mac mansions
00:48:02
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►
and then the first one shows up inside a
00:48:06
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►
mac mansion in the atrium in the front
00:48:09
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►
hall and you can put them in a circle it
00:48:11
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►
will be recalled the opposite of a panic
00:48:14
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►
on you can have a non opticon you have
00:48:16
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all the facing toward the middle of the
00:48:17
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►
village where the campfire is you can
00:48:19
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►
have all the little glass facing in the
00:48:21
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►
same direction right well then it
00:48:23
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►
becomes one of those mirrors probably
00:48:24
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►
opticon the the mirrored a solar-powered
00:48:27
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►
energy collector who where they're all
00:48:30
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►
arranged in a circle and they're
00:48:31
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►
reflecting the sunlight or the brain
00:48:34
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►
waves to a central hub to the NCP to the
00:48:37
◼
►
mCP over so it's generating ideas it's
00:48:39
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►
generating power it's probably generated
00:48:42
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►
and with maybe that's almost a limited
00:48:46
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►
bandwidth at this point huh
00:48:48
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►
so and this is we're talking about
00:48:49
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►
mansions now who I feel like this is the
00:48:53
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►
trend this is the way it's going because
00:48:55
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►
at that point
00:48:56
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►
yeah you like the wide-open space you
00:48:58
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►
like the boulevards you like the the
00:49:00
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►
flight uniformly tree-lined streets
00:49:03
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►
there's not as much there's not as much
00:49:08
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►
unfortunately those houses are mostly
00:49:10
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stapled and glued together so i don't
00:49:12
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think they're going to last forever
00:49:14
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that's ok that's ok this is a new
00:49:15
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►
generation John we really want to bring
00:49:17
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►
our old thinking they don't season
00:49:18
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►
Colonial Williamsburg right people who
00:49:21
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►
have no belongings and Spotify and they
00:49:24
◼
►
maybe have a laptop so as the houses as
00:49:27
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new there in the clouds on these people
00:49:29
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►
in the clouds they are so they're living
00:49:30
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►
in the cloud live in the cloud but i
00:49:31
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think there's going to be a magic moment
00:49:33
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►
where these homes that are made out of
00:49:35
◼
►
pressed particle of substances there
00:49:39
◼
►
right now they're off-gassing right
00:49:40
◼
►
that's the phrase they are off-gassing
00:49:42
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►
meaning that all of the all the chemical
00:49:44
◼
►
glues that are holding the homes
00:49:45
◼
►
together are still gassing they're still
00:49:48
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►
turning to gas and and poisoning you and
00:49:52
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►
your children but there'll be a moment
00:49:54
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►
where they stop gassing because they've
00:49:56
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►
get off gastall the gas and then they
00:49:59
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►
start absorbing moisture right those
00:50:02
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►
surf those those are building components
00:50:04
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►
are going to start swelling they're
00:50:06
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going to steal all your breath and all
00:50:07
◼
►
of your perspiration cici yes
00:50:10
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►
yes there's a lot of moisture in the
00:50:11
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home right so there's going to be a
00:50:13
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►
perfect moment between the off-gassing
00:50:16
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►
and when the houses start to swell with
00:50:19
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►
perspiration where they're in stasis
00:50:21
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►
right there they're like it's the pits
00:50:24
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►
they're perfect
00:50:26
◼
►
it's the perfect state and that will be
00:50:29
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►
the moment they know for whatever two
00:50:31
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►
years that period is that will be when
00:50:33
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►
to go in there colonize those spaces ok
00:50:35
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►
use them to generate entrepreneurship
00:50:38
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and then a and then when the building
00:50:41
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start to fall down when the moss the
00:50:42
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►
black mold starts to form the corners
00:50:45
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►
maybe you have a like a Detroit style
00:50:47
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►
hell night we just one night you just
00:50:50
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►
take your beanbag chairs you you take
00:50:52
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►
your Lamborghini posters you put them
00:50:54
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►
all on a on amazon bus
00:50:56
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yeah you burn the entire neighborhood
00:50:58
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►
damn you can like the perch and you get
00:51:00
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►
it's like it's like a Clemenza says
00:51:02
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right you can have a war every few years
00:51:04
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►
that's right give it a black mold and
00:51:05
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►
then you can just extrude a new house
00:51:07
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►
again terraforming you can just tell you
00:51:08
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►
get you extrude a new house where the
00:51:10
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►
focus by then I think your point though
00:51:12
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►
by the time you get rid of the deadly
00:51:13
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►
part or the poison is part of the of the
00:51:15
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►
particle board you're also introducing a
00:51:17
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►
problem the performance characteristics
00:51:18
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►
are already degrading to get maybe maybe
00:51:20
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►
two years who knows how much the gas was
00:51:23
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►
holding the whole thing together
00:51:24
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►
yeah and then then you're like the end
00:51:26
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►
of a road warrior two electric boogaloo
00:51:29
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►
where you all get into a motley caravan
00:51:33
◼
►
of google buses and electric cars and
00:51:37
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►
you're towing your little pods you're
00:51:39
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►
gonna bang bang chitty bang me and you
00:51:44
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►
head off and the homunculus is there man
00:51:48
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►
give us the oil i head off into the
00:51:52
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►
desert to create you're looking for the
00:51:54
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►
next utopia next mansions mm we can
00:52:00
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dream can't we feel like this is the way
00:52:02
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and i just want to live long enough to
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see this happen
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yeah because at this point you know
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we're both going to be the old crotchety
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geezer with the with the Edit forget
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what kind of hat he was wearing was a as
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like Napoleon hat or something
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well just max thing I think it's a
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yeah but you know also to refer to your
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program you like we could also just be
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ahead and charge at that point you know
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I mean we can see what you're saying
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yeah arguing with Richard Nixon on the
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shelf somewhere
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yeah that's funny bit I don't want to
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you you seem you seem a little bit
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dismissive of the show with fry and
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Leela I like it a lot it's been banned
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from the house
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um we do it was just a little bit too
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I you know inside words and definitions
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it gets a little saucy and starvation in
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a fit of pique my wife bandit I see my
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daughter was extremely into it though
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I'm still we still have we know we keep
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a long list of about sixty pet names we
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keep keep around she still really want
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to name something Lord nibbler Lords a
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blur is pretty cute
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sure he's the little nipper that eats
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everything right he's adorable and his
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poop is not what runs the ship all
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rights right these little infinitely
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dense poops could be i won that show
00:53:14
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came out I was not interested in it at
00:53:16
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all but then I saw it in reruns
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syndication they call it and I and I and
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I night and I did like it for for
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several years and then I didn't have a
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TV anymore it's a great hotel rooms show
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that's right it's one of those ones like
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yeah there's certain kinds of shows i
00:53:32
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would never once had never watched but I
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wouldn't make make special appointment
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viewing time for but like if it's on a
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hotel room it's like it's really good
00:53:39
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it's not a thing that you're gonna get
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as you're scrolling through netflix and
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seeing 1 million movies that you never
00:53:46
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knew existed and never will watch you'll
00:53:49
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see the the fry and Leela show and you
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say oh isn't that good that's all your
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likes and it seemed it strikes you as a
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positive but you're not gonna watch it
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either like the whole point of Netflix's
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to scroll and scroll and scroll
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endlessly and never watch anything
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yeah and so they just dumped some new
00:54:07
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stuff in the last few days it's kind of
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overwhelming you know what I learned of
00:54:09
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this is true but a couple people told me
00:54:11
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he said you have the netflix well I did
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get familiar with the what it what it is
00:54:17
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yeah but I was just going to tell a very
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short story where I kind of got him I
00:54:20
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got a little bit of a millennial break
00:54:22
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up the other day when i logged onto
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and i was and i met my password has been
00:54:28
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well so well because it wasn't my
00:54:30
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netflix so I got millennia I get the
00:54:33
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Millennial breakup
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oh I'm sorry that you're disinvited to
00:54:38
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use my netflix for free
00:54:40
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oh the Millennial pop ya know you got
00:54:45
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oh yeah somebody boyce you so you turn
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your computer like I think i'm gonna
00:54:50
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watch days of the Condor again for the
00:54:52
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40th time it you get that netflix a
00:54:55
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screen that's like would you like to
00:54:57
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join netflix yeah like what what what no
00:55:00
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no no you put your put your what had
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waited for the last several years been
00:55:05
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your password with ya or password with
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someone else's of a sudden it doesn't
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work that netflix returns zero results
00:55:11
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at 4044 a forehand and you're like oh
00:55:15
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fuck i've been i'm sorry it's like you
00:55:18
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know no more netflix and chill for me
00:55:20
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mhm but so I do remember a day those
00:55:23
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halcyon days when when
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yeah you could scroll through days and
00:55:29
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days but you were about to say something
00:55:30
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about that will not know I feel I feel I
00:55:32
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can you know show you something
00:55:34
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oh you like you're rubbing in here well
00:55:36
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you know i just want to mention is that
00:55:37
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somebody told me this factoid which is
00:55:40
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an interesting empirically interesting
00:55:41
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factoid but I'm finding it immensely
00:55:43
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interesting I kind of can't stop
00:55:44
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thinking about it i was saying that
00:55:46
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somebody how am I i was introduced this
00:55:49
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guy english comedian as it called Stuart
00:55:52
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Lee and certainly is a has in the past
00:55:56
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like two months become like my I'm
00:55:59
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obsessed with this guy i just i want i
00:56:00
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want to see everything this guy's ever
00:56:02
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done and it all started with turning on
00:56:04
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the netflix and I flip pass this thing
00:56:07
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I've never seen and never heard of it
00:56:08
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says stuart least comedy vehicle and you
00:56:10
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know a little stars stars work right
00:56:12
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ya got the red stars you know what
00:56:13
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she'll it's nice to see three stars for
00:56:15
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starting this is really good
00:56:17
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this thing is just a sliver shy of five
00:56:20
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stars like wow it's it's a you know this
00:56:23
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sounds like the kind of thing I would
00:56:24
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like if the average rating for this is
00:56:26
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just under our stars I should watch this
00:56:29
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yeah and I didn't I loved it and then I
00:56:31
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don't know this is true and I'm sure
00:56:32
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I'll hear about it now I'm reliably
00:56:34
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informed that that is
00:56:36
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their estimation of now you would give
00:56:39
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it all right the algorithm knows you
00:56:41
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know that sounds pretty straightforward
00:56:43
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and maybe it is but for some reason I
00:56:45
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kind of can't stop thinking about it
00:56:46
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right because it's infinitely
00:56:48
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fascinating to me like how they're
00:56:50
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guessing and like so then i raided and
00:56:52
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that's going to change future things but
00:56:54
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they don't tell you that it doesn't say
00:56:55
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you know it used to be back in the day
00:56:58
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even back in the DVD days it would say
00:57:00
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like okay four stars or like when they
00:57:02
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say that we hear stuff we think you'll
00:57:04
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like it would even show you what they
00:57:05
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think you would read it but I don't know
00:57:07
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what the if it is true that the change
00:57:09
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that over the very interesting
00:57:11
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technology somebody is watching you
00:57:13
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learn a duty and you get no privacy sue
00:57:16
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em well this is the thing there is
00:57:20
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we've talked about this before but it's
00:57:22
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becoming more and more to all the time
00:57:23
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there is no empirical truth anymore
00:57:25
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Merlin there are right there are no
00:57:27
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4-stars they told us in the eighties
00:57:29
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they just didn't have a proof for it
00:57:30
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there's no empirical truth there is only
00:57:32
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conditional subjective truth and so
00:57:35
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there four stars doesn't exist there's
00:57:38
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only now four stars for you and I think
00:57:42
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Yelp is the last place where four stars
00:57:45
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yelp and pitchfork are the last place
00:57:47
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where four stars are are still like some
00:57:50
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kind of I guess Yelp is four stars that
00:57:52
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are collected from from 10,000 people
00:57:56
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that you would not like to be stuck on
00:57:58
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an elevator with and pitchfork is still
00:58:01
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some dumb kids in a room telling you
00:58:03
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what things are good but everything else
00:58:06
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works i don't know i don't read too much
00:58:07
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anymore bit around the time of the
00:58:08
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Travis Morrison debacle it really
00:58:11
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started to feel like it's somebody who
00:58:12
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really wants to impress their older
00:58:14
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yeah even though they didn't really
00:58:15
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listen to the album i had a travis
00:58:17
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moore's in conversation the other day
00:58:18
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thousands heartbreak
00:58:19
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well it was but will that still sticks
00:58:21
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in the crop there in seattle doesn't
00:58:23
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well yeah but now I feel like Travis
00:58:26
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Morrison's Travis Stan record the famous
00:58:29
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0.0 from pitchfork is becoming a thing
00:58:33
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like where were you when Kennedy was
00:58:34
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killed among a certain group of
00:58:38
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people who followed in Iraq religiously
00:58:40
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and and so that it's it's it's a thing
00:58:44
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where like how how many people were at
00:58:47
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the velvet underground concert in 1966
00:58:51
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not very many people but then over the
00:58:53
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years the people that claim to have been
00:58:56
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yeah grow and grow until it it would
00:58:59
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have been a little bit of 50,000 person
00:59:01
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concert and I think only thousand people
00:59:03
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have about the first album but they all
00:59:05
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miss Chloe O'Brian know that's right
00:59:07
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exactly that's exactly what i was trying
00:59:09
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to say buddy the velvet underground is
00:59:12
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gonna make the nineteen sixties look
00:59:15
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like the nineteen-thirties well that's
00:59:17
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right that's except the
00:59:18
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nineteen-thirties are going to make the
00:59:20
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velvet underground look likes stan
00:59:23
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kenton so in the sense in the sense of
00:59:28
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the pitchfork angle with Travis Morrison
00:59:30
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angle it's become more and more now I'm
00:59:33
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meeting stranger
00:59:35
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this is the thing women when Travis tan
00:59:36
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came out the number of people that were
00:59:39
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directly affected by that rating started
00:59:43
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at Travis himself emanated out to the
00:59:46
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National to his label mates right we're
00:59:49
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putting out that album and counting on
00:59:51
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it to to be transformative and then to
00:59:54
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all the fans of the dismemberment plan
00:59:57
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and all of the you know the larger
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people who were you actually bought and
01:00:03
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listened to that record what when where
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and what travis moore's and
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dismemberment plan were like one of
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those rare bands where like they were
01:00:10
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really good and they were critically
01:00:13
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acclaimed whatever and everybody liked
01:00:15
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them and people seem pretty cool that he
01:00:17
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was one of those like it was one of
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those like I don't know like Grand Slam
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kind of things and when that came along
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it was like in New York 911 the drummer
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war fingerless gloves there were a lot
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of things about them that stood out
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anywhere dance people at Dancing the
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shows they play dance music dance their
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shells were so crazy but now I'm meeting
01:00:37
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people in airports that are using Travis
01:00:41
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tan as their calling card like oh you
01:00:46
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hey nice to meet you like this though
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they'll be talking to me right and
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they're like I know who you are you're
01:00:52
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John Roderick and Travis tan am i right
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and then I'll be like what are we
01:00:59
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talking about and they're like you know
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Travis tan like I'm on your side I'm on
01:01:04
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your team because i also thought that
01:01:08
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that was a tragedy and it's like whoa
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I'm having this conversation more and
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more often now and I feel like I feel
01:01:17
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like it is becoming emblematic of a time
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of a moment where the critics who
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formerly were our friends are now our
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enemies and and locating us in a time
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and space 9 2006 or whatever like it's
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it's it's becoming the it's becoming the
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velvet underground of our time
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Wow Travis stan is the indie rock record
01:01:44
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that is going to make the sixties look
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like the 20 so I so I don't know what to
01:01:50
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make of that right arms but but you
01:01:54
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cannot you cannot pick your cultural
01:01:56
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markers in real time it only happens I
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think retro actively there are a lot of
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things where you thought oh this is the
01:02:06
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thing that's going to be remembered
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right this is the rilo kiley album
01:02:09
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that's gonna that's the temple that's
01:02:10
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holding up this whole era
01:02:12
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yeah then it turns out know it's the
01:02:14
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it's travis stands the temple so huh
01:02:18
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don't put that in your pipe and smoke it
01:02:20
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well I think about that your baby put on
01:02:22
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your paper due on you do for you forgive
01:02:25
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him for your chili Travis you know
01:02:28
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Travis is a magical creature that he had
01:02:31
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a lot of your chili right he just didn't
01:02:32
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answer his bandmates oh right got the
01:02:35
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big cats eating some chili yeah and I
01:02:36
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think what I think the Travis's magical
01:02:39
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feature was that he came in and he was
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like you know to to my bandmates we are
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here in the land of plenty go ahead and
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forage for food once again give us the
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oil do not become addicted to can chill
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and so the so and then he just traipse
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off into the garden t dandelions or
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whatever it was that he was doing it was
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that my protest was that these bandmates
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who had never acknowledged right they
01:03:10
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had never even nodded at me or looked at
01:03:12
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me now suddenly we're going through my
01:03:15
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cupboards and like look I found a can of
01:03:16
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of the of sliced pineapple and I'm like
01:03:20
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hold on you gotta do you know I'm here
01:03:23
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right yeah you at least say hi to me as
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you want as you troop into my house
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before you're going through my like in
01:03:31
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Merlin there is a space there's a space
01:03:33
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in my office
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don't so there's a guy on my floor that
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had a big photo studio and you know and
01:03:41
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then legitimately making making some
01:03:44
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form of art even if its commercial
01:03:45
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photography right he's using it as an
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artistic space and then at a certain
01:03:49
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point he got the Entrepreneurship bug
01:03:51
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and he decided that he was going to
01:03:54
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expand his operation to making herbal
01:03:57
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hmm and there's a space on our floor
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that was available and this guy had a
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very large Basin he obviously was
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well-funded either by his by the the
01:04:06
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profits of his own output or maybe he
01:04:09
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was funded offshore maybe some angel
01:04:11
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investors or some venture capitalists
01:04:14
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said or his parents had funded his
01:04:16
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operation but so he took over one of
01:04:18
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these spaces and started making herbal
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wow so all of a sudden on the floor of
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the place where everyone
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else is working in caustics there is
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this constant sort of sickly sweet smell
01:04:31
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of teas being manufactured and I don't
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know how that's all going down but but
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then not only are they
01:04:40
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exporting these dry tease but they are
01:04:44
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making wet t in there and putting them
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in giant t canvas this is up to code
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I don't know i don't think you can be in
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a building full of podcasting and
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caustics and start making herbal teas I
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don't want to be didactic but I don't
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think that's that's not cool
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no it's not i don't think it is it
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doesn't seem hygienic well or whatever I
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mean there's a lot of things about this
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story I'm about to tell that don't seem
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hygienic but they are there they're
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taking these giant sort of
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torpedo-shaped canisters of wet t and
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they're slapping them down the elevator
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into i kid you not a former google bus
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like they have three vehicles they have
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a former google bus they have a fedex
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truck where they've stripped all the
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they stripped all the riding off of you
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can still see the shadow and then they
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have like a they have a commuter bus
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like an airport commuter bus and they're
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filling these things up with these teas
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and these buses are taking a look at
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parking spots fill them up with these
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teas and off they go
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I don't know why don't know who buys who
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has a party where they're like let's get
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three or four canisters of wet p in here
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uh-huh that are different her ballot
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ease and it's like I don't know what
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this business is but any uh anyway all
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of a sudden the is like it and like
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let's say it sits on the one hand it
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does seem kinda like a front but that's
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a lot of work for a front they must have
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somebody who was sweaty somebody's out
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there drinking wet team and we got a
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yeah it might be all these places that
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are that have like fruit loops in a
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giant hopper and then also wet tease em
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but so this place then started to employ
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people because they're doing a booming
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business here and so they're hiring
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people now these are this is the next
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level the next next layer of people that
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are in and out of my art building
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these are not artists or if they are
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artists they call themselves t artists
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but they are just people working at the
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tea plant and they are universally in
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their twenties they have their thin
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people and they have man buns my god so
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there's five or six guys with man buns
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all of a sudden shrimping t in this
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place and to the man they do not look at
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you when they pass you in the hall
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oh that's weird yeah yeah this sounds
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like what it sounds like Hydra or
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something it's like it's kinda like
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hipster Hydra there's something very
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very uncool about ya know that doesn't
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this is a building this is what happened
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to saying to get whatever happened to
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whatever happened to the not on the same
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you gotta sit I don't like talking to
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people and whatever whatever happens
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just acknowledging I don't think I'm a
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big acknowledge her i believe in
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acknowledging got to acknowledge its a
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millisecond of eye contact not enough to
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communicate anything except hello ICU
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and then not froze cops man buns
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whatever it is come on people give me
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the nod got to get the knot and this
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building is characterized by long long
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hallways right so you come out of the
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no that's my nightmare walking down this
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long hallway and here comes a man button
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pushing a fucking cart full of wet t and
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here and i'm looking at the entire time
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like you acknowledge me son of a bitch
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and so I've started as they're walking
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as they as they get right next to me is
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really thin guys with man buns
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I'm like Hello and you know like not so
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loud that it's super aggressive like not
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hello like Hello it but but with no
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advance warning just like right when
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they are one foot from it's happened
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enough that that's a reference it refers
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to how they don't do it yeah I'm fucking
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mad at them now i'm at the whole
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operating mine is im- great thanks how
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haha right right exactly and i'm one
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step from that like you know nice of you
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and so so i'm i'm pouring a ton of bad
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vibes into this tea room hoping that it
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goes into the tea and then swapping wet
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t out there and it's pull a bad vibes
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like a Latin American movie we're
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cooking cooking makes things explode
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right on time movies at the movies were
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like depending on how who she's mad
01:09:16
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so the food's gonna make everybody we're
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here now everybody would have
01:09:18
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intercourse because she made tortillas
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like you're gonna send this bad vibes
01:09:21
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into the wet t this is like a losa
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marrows perros yeah sure your that's
01:09:26
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that's dogs little dogs in love with
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always love except the one dog kills all
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Oh boiler no es bueno
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but anyway yeah right the tortillas are
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full of it makes everybody have sex and
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then there's a hundred years of solitude
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yeah that'd be nice this is a situation
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where I'm filling this tea with as much
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bad vibe as i can so good so that the
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people out there with the the fruit loop
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poppers are like oh man I'm not ordering
01:09:50
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this T anymore it's full of bad vibes
01:09:53
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and then the business collapses and the
01:09:54
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guy has to go back to making photography
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for a living and all these man buns are
01:09:59
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then like spurted out into the world
01:10:01
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like spores to create their bad vibes
01:10:04
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they're like shitty no nod culture they
01:10:08
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can take that into the streets and see
01:10:09
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how well it works right
01:10:12
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yeah now I know I likely put the shit
01:10:14
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you knot culture that is a shitty known
01:10:17
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yeah if you have a node culture then
01:10:19
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like take it back to the farm or
01:10:21
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whatever don't you know like if you're
01:10:23
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always like it's not like you're like a
01:10:25
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Mexican drug lord you know what I mean
01:10:27
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you won't you fucking with the u-dub
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yeah where you didn't even get into u
01:10:31
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dub no no these are people that are that
01:10:34
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are used to being out in a place where
01:10:35
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you I guess you don't not at the county
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line behind the community making college
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and I don't they're not even vapors
01:10:41
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because they seem by the thinnest some
01:10:43
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fields by their work in the tea
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community that's exactly what I think I
01:10:47
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think there are vegans and I think you
01:10:49
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know that thing is the man bun the man
01:10:52
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bun it arrived we all mocked it
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mercilessly and then it persisted and
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then there was that there was that
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moment where everybody was like well you
01:11:01
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know there was that there was the
01:11:02
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blowback where people like stop mocking
01:11:04
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man but as we get it we get it all right
01:11:06
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for now maybe you know and that an
01:11:09
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attempt to make man buns as the two to
01:11:12
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make them serious uh-huh just they have
01:11:15
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they persisted they've they have they've
01:11:17
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lasted through our scorn and so now
01:11:20
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we're meant to would never meant to be
01:11:23
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like okay I guess you know I guess I'm
01:11:26
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the dummy for mocking somebody else's
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style I guess I'm I'm guess I'm the one
01:11:31
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that's not a little monster
01:11:32
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yeah I'm not one that's not inclusive
01:11:34
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enough but in reality no they are still
01:11:37
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dumb and marketable they are you know
01:11:40
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like a like I said the other day there
01:11:42
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are too many top knots and not enough
01:11:43
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samurai mm you know you you cannot just
01:11:47
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fucking where topknot it is cultural
01:11:50
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appropriation black something which is
01:11:53
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samurai oh I like the way you took that
01:11:55
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one that's good you know what I mean
01:11:56
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like yeah one that's insensitive you are
01:11:58
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insensitive to samurai yeah so fuck you
01:12:01
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with your topknot it's no good and if
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topknot is symbolic of no not culture
01:12:06
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then I say burned all the ground right
01:12:09
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you can't you're not going to be in my
01:12:11
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art space where I was formerly making an
01:12:14
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encaustic podcast it doesn't cost
01:12:16
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anything it doesn't cost anything to not
01:12:17
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to nod and i don't understand i do not
01:12:20
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get and this is the big this is that
01:12:23
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what I feel like is a component of the
01:12:25
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shove the shyness arms race but this is
01:12:31
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include things like the medium post on
01:12:33
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how to handle the introvert in your life
01:12:35
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yeah that stuff where it's like oh no
01:12:37
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you're not you're not an introvert I'm
01:12:40
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an intron see you guys
01:12:42
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yeah I'm so shy that I can't exist in
01:12:45
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the world and that is a that is like not
01:12:48
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a handicap it's a handy capable and
01:12:50
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you're not allowed to scorn me for a
01:12:53
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because nodding at you take so much of
01:12:56
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my life force that I collapse into a
01:12:59
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sobbing heap
01:13:00
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yeah so now you have to live in a world
01:13:02
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where people don't nod and smile at you
01:13:04
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a common courtesy a basic human
01:13:08
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because it impedes my ability to be as
01:13:10
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shy as I think I am I mean you need to
01:13:12
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get back and you need to walk in there
01:13:14
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and you say look what exactly the fuck
01:13:15
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is going on here
01:13:17
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yeah you go into the white tea house and
01:13:19
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just sit and just sparked the man buns
01:13:21
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and get in there and see who's in charge
01:13:22
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of this joint and what exactly the fuck
01:13:24
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is going on here
01:13:25
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ok so here's what happened last week
01:13:27
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sitting in my podcast space i'm getting
01:13:31
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ready to record some vocals on this
01:13:33
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these vocal tracks that i'm working on
01:13:36
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which is a whole separate conversation
01:13:38
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and this is my private my normal private
01:13:42
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time in the art studio right all the
01:13:44
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people that are there during the day go
01:13:45
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home and then the only people that are
01:13:48
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there at night are people working in
01:13:49
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within the encaustic arts and so I can
01:13:53
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sing in my little wing and there's
01:13:56
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nobody else they're not no you're not
01:13:58
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bothering anyone
01:14:00
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and nobody's randomness is getting on
01:14:01
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your track that's right that's right
01:14:03
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there's nobody over there using a power
01:14:04
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tool and more importantly I'm not
01:14:07
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bothering anybody
01:14:08
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if you come into the the space at 9pm
01:14:11
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and you hear somebody singing you
01:14:14
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recognize that you are the one who is
01:14:16
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arriving late you are the interloper
01:14:18
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someone's they're making music and
01:14:20
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that's their right whereas if I'm
01:14:23
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singing it two o'clock in the afternoon
01:14:24
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and you're sitting at your computer
01:14:25
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doing graphic arts you are you
01:14:28
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it's within your rights to come over and
01:14:30
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knock on the door and say seriously what
01:14:31
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are you doing
01:14:32
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who but so I'm in there I'm getting
01:14:34
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ready to lay down some vocal tracks and
01:14:36
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then all of a sudden I hear a band
01:14:39
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practicing here and this space is very
01:14:42
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much like no band practice
01:14:45
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I i use myspace to make music but it is
01:14:49
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not a band practice it isn't under John
01:14:51
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as at the terms of being there it's not
01:14:54
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this is not like a storage shed type
01:14:56
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situation that's one of the things they
01:14:58
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say right when you walk in like no band
01:15:00
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practice can and so what I'm what i
01:15:02
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realize is i get i I go down the hall
01:15:06
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put my ear to the door
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and I realized that this is a situation
01:15:12
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where the man buns have now colonized
01:15:16
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the space with enmity operation where
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they have no connection to any of the
01:15:22
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art people there they are now there to
01:15:25
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there are two layers of being attendant
01:15:28
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away from ever having spoken to anybody
01:15:31
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involved in the building
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uh-huh someone at the T joint has said
01:15:36
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either yes you can
01:15:38
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band practice here or what I really
01:15:40
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suspect is one of the man buns has a key
01:15:42
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and he's like you know what there's
01:15:44
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nobody in there's nobody down there
01:15:45
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after nine just off able to scan
01:15:48
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operation that's right huh
01:15:50
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and so I'm not somebody who's going to
01:15:53
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pound on the door during band practice
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even if it's one that I am pouring scorn
01:15:58
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through the door is what kind of music I
01:16:01
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know it's not relevant necessarily but
01:16:03
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guess what kind of music the plan it
01:16:05
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just it felt like there was a person in
01:16:07
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there they could actually play the
01:16:08
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guitar i was in which Annie or like
01:16:10
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trans am like 11
01:16:11
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no no it actually kind of felt like Adam
01:16:14
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amalgam of of of some sort of you know
01:16:18
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hardrock plus a Lumineers style stomp
01:16:23
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bulk oh you know it's one of these
01:16:25
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things where that nobody has any nobody
01:16:27
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has any jumping-off point so it's just a
01:16:29
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mission like this modern songs where
01:16:31
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everyone kind of does a charity thing on
01:16:33
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yeah they'll say Oh kind of thing
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yeah hey hey oh well bloomin years okay
01:16:40
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i was thinking something else
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it's all it's all like a post Mumford
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music no dear right that's you Mumford &
01:16:48
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post Mumford yeah and i think really it
01:16:50
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was that it was that bad from canada
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from Montreal that started it all
01:16:54
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the one that dealt that the that to
01:16:57
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David Byrne and David Bowie all the
01:16:59
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David's old jobs Empire weekend know
01:17:03
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that they came after then they have
01:17:06
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different not really not really but it's
01:17:08
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sick but the one from the 144 montreal
01:17:12
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where they were waving flags on stage
01:17:14
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and somebody had a typewriter and no
01:17:17
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no young guy knows i know you mean the I
01:17:19
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know you mean the yeah we can play drums
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on their heads
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yeah and somebody's got a horn somebody
01:17:25
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else's horn arcade fire arcade fire
01:17:28
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yeah they do a lot of that oil oh stop
01:17:32
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stop typing on typewriter honk david
01:17:37
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byrne comes out he's like I like this
01:17:40
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yeah whatever goes i'll buy it you know
01:17:42
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it's like LCD soundsystem where where as
01:17:44
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a collective a feeling like this is the
01:17:48
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yes and then everybody buys it and says
01:17:50
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then celebrates it was something about
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alko right but that's right so arcade
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fire is the Falco fire is gonna make
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Falco look like The Velvet Underground
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yeahhh mister
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did I ever tell you that I was on tour
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in canada with a opening with the
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opening for the tour of not a surf and
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death cab for cutie and after the show
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some a French Canadians came up and
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handed me a CDR and said really loved
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your show and it can even do a French
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accent anymore it's been so long since
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I've been on the United States i can get
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even do any of my accent yeah the event
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any account opposition we love this show
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they had to be the CDR and it was the
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arcade fire oh come on really
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and yeah I'm gonna and then two years
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later the biggest band in the world
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yeah and I was like I had that feeling
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of proximity to success
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I was like oh yeah you're my story every
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store you expect out of course I don't
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know these kids are gonna catch on if I
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yeah but this is the problem when you
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are that proximate to success right if
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you were if you like every Williams as a
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college roommate
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yeah it's not like it matters right you
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can't say oh you're going to be
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successful and so I want to be your
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wingman or something like I can't have I
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couldn't have been that moment said
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arcade fire i would like to invest my
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current net worth which is 40 long
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winters t-shirts and a box of kazoos i
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would like to get in early
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yeah and apply by thirty percent of your
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business for this nominal fee right like
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the like the graffiti artist at the
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facebook campus that ended up being
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worth 200 million dollars because they
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gave him a point one percent of the
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company instead of paying five thousand
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dollars to graffiti their their office
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you could I couldn't do that with the
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arcade fire and say here's a box along
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winners t-shirts that you don't want any
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but now i only thirty percent of your
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operation that people tried to do that
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to me back in the day like I took some
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band photos for you and so rather than
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get paid the five hundred dollars that
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cost i would like twenty percent of the
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Western State hurricanes that's
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complicated that's a complicated
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it was very complicated anyway so that
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it's all posts arcade fire post Mumford
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& Sons and stop rock and I'm here this
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through the door of the tea parlor and
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let me tell you Merlin I sent some
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emails haha oh did you go right back to
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your to Garrett and send some emails
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that's right I went I went all the way
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to the top closeout logic you just shut
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it all down back it up time to write
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that's right I said I said a mirror i
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sent a letter to the mayor's office i
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sent a letter to the to the governor i
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sent a letter to elon musk and i said
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this will let's eat
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Cece let's lock mask say this will not
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I you know I have suffered through these
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non-coding add buns enough i want this
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whole operation shut down i want all
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these people out of the building and
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it's gonna be rats leaving a sinking
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ship and I don't know where they're
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gonna go and i haven't even taken by
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john and they won't say goodbye and i'm
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not on the way out i will say as I'm
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walking right past them i'll turn and
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i'll say farewell
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it's a good day sir good day sir how did
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any line must be the mayor get back to
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you know well the mirror the mirror
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right now has complicated feelings about
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me and Eli must never replies to any of
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yeah and that you know that feels like
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that feels like an insult because i feel
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like i should or twenty percent what he
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does just based on the number of times
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i've mentioned him on this
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podcast it's a good point I you know
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there's a lot about this doesn't exactly
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I mean there's the part that adds up my
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first of all like making tea
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I don't know is that you get a
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straight-up business because a weed
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it smells a wheel the thing is weeds not
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illegal anymore in Seattle so you don't
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have to mask on negativity
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yeah you can just manufacture weed all
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day and just be like haha but uh but no
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I feel like I feel like people are
01:22:12
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trying to like the photography guy he's
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not satisfied people just aren't
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satisfied right so he's like I've got
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started I've got to start a separate
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operation is going to be this tea
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company it's gonna be like the megaman x
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yeah that's going to be at whole foods
01:22:31
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all around America here's the thing
01:22:33
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that's this whole thats hanging up a
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little bit and I i just know this most
01:22:37
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from watching TV and and seeing things
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around town but you know you got the
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whole like artisanal butcher thing you
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got small-batch thing right you got the
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whole like guys who suddenly grew beards
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and started wearing plaid thing i know
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this is already like a five or even ten
01:22:49
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year old trend but that's the thing and
01:22:51
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it's you know clearly there's this whole
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like we're locally sourced this resource
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that the thing is though the thing that
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keeps a lot of those things going is
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that there's a huge somewhere between
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performative and transparent component
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to it so on the one hand is the
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transparency of know i can tell you for
01:23:09
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sure that this pig came from down the
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block or that i know this is fair trade
01:23:15
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sparkling water or whatever but so
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there's that there's that transparency
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part of it right but there's also the
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performative part of it where we want
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you to see us making we want to give
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tours of where we make the whiskey we
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want you to come in and be able to take
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classes on how to butcher a pig
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there's a whole big part of this is what
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we don't want is some kind of you know
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for the sake of argument like a
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replacement sweaty in an encaustic
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painting factory that would be an
01:23:38
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unusual way to make an artisanal tee
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you're so right wire they asked their
01:23:43
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troopers why is where the band is
01:23:46
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practicing this feels like a jamup well
01:23:48
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see that's the thing they could be they
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could be in store for they could be
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selling brass t pipes
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arm and like the man buns could all be
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behind the counter with them would be
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flames and don't know if you can find
01:24:02
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they want technology but they wouldn't
01:24:04
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have to they could just make it higher
01:24:05
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one personable person standard don't be
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like welcome to the tea party welcome to
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the teashop e a and a look behind me as
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as the man buns all work before just
01:24:18
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there like history of Olympus they don't
01:24:19
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know that talking is not their strong
01:24:21
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suit they might sing a little bit when
01:24:22
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somebody dies but apart from that
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they're mostly just they're just like 10
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to the pipe exactly somebody somebody
01:24:27
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gets zoomed up into a television set and
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the man's all go don't go top-20 went to
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you work at you go
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yeah I I feel like that some it is a
01:24:39
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missed opportunity and I don't maybe it
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is that the San Francisco's ation of
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Seattle hasn't been
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comparison complete yet i think it was a
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plane obviously the joke still being
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like a Portland thing
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well I think that's super seriously and
01:24:51
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but so but the weird part is there's one
01:24:54
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thing of like okay let's add value by
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doing something something repackaging t
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there's that part but then the whole
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like they're making like tubs of tea to
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settle somewhere is weird the whole the
01:25:07
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whole operation stinks but i can't find
01:25:10
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anything about it that's illegal except
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for the band practice
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yeah I feel like the ideal what's
01:25:15
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illegal about it is that it's that it's
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aesthetically illegal it's just that is
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to synthetically if they were just not
01:25:21
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it's how hard is it to not if they
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nodded maybe I'd be their best friend
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maybe i would buy a fucking jiggity a
01:25:26
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week huh you know drug too weak to give
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me their slogan I'll see that's good
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that they could use that but they're
01:25:32
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never even get to hear that because they
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won't even acknowledge you
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yeah i mean i have a friend in San
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Francisco who uh who is co-owner of a
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restaurant it's a brewpub sorry brewpub
01:25:44
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if it's different from a gastropub this
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is a bi well it absolutely because this
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is a brew pub where they also give
01:25:52
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lessons in homebrewing so it's more of a
01:25:57
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brew resource resource through resource
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and when they when they were talking
01:26:03
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about opening this thing here's this is
01:26:05
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the modern-day right they put up
01:26:07
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Kickstarter or some kind of crowd
01:26:09
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funding thing they set out to the
01:26:11
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neighborhood and they said don't you
01:26:12
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want to brew pub in your neighborhood
01:26:13
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you guys right now living in this
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neighborhood without a brewpub who's
01:26:18
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who's with me and they raised the money
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to open the brew college the brewpub
01:26:24
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college through crowdfunding around the
01:26:28
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neighbor so it's like but it's but it's
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the the neighborhood that's such a
01:26:33
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different way of handling it my goodness
01:26:35
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the neighborhood doesn't directly profit
01:26:37
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from it they profit from it by having
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now an interesting thing in their
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neighborhood but it's this idea of like
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collectively why don't we open
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collectively why don't you help us open
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this thing that will profit for us but
01:26:50
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you will you'll reap the benefits of
01:26:52
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having your neighborhood smell like
01:26:53
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cooked tomatoes whatever that smell is
01:26:56
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when beers brewing that smells like
01:26:59
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oh right like breweries a beer brewery
01:27:03
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has a very distinctive I think it must
01:27:05
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it's the hops it's a very high too tangy
01:27:08
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smell i'm going to busch gardens kid I
01:27:10
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mean you never forget that smell
01:27:11
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yeah if it were me and I gotta and I
01:27:14
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gotta fly under my door that said go to
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our kickstarter and help us fund our
01:27:18
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brew pub in your neighborhood i would
01:27:20
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start an alternate Kickstarter send me
01:27:22
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the money to keep this brew pub from
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happening because i don't like the smell
01:27:26
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of tomatoes holiday iconic stomper if
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you should be away like a stopper it's a
01:27:30
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way where you go in and you basically
01:27:32
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paid something that happened a
01:27:33
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Kickstarter sounds like how Mumford &
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Sons fucking funded therefore yeah it's
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like Oh exactly
01:27:42
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boom boom 1 & 4 1 & 4 mm thick stop it
01:27:48
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stop it Nick stop the shit out of that
01:27:51
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make it make it viral I don't want i
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don't thing is is there anything worse
01:27:56
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then home brewers and I normally a lot
01:28:00
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of letters now who is I feel like there
01:28:03
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are a lot of beards listening this
01:28:04
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program that are also making growlers
01:28:06
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for their own beer making growlers but
01:28:08
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when you when you stand around in a
01:28:10
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group of homebrewers it's like it's like
01:28:15
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it's like if a bunch of farmers from the
01:28:19
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thirties we're on a space station the
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the level of bunch of farmers in a in a
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small cafe in a town of 2,500 people the
01:28:33
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that that level of conversation but on a
01:28:37
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spaceship that's what I feel like being
01:28:40
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in a group of homebrewers is like
01:28:42
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because it's both very retro but all and
01:28:48
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and also very unnecessary
01:28:50
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mhm very specialized but transported to
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a world in which future shock is a big
01:28:57
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component of it right we are making our
01:28:59
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own home brew now for some reason
01:29:02
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because of this because we have created
01:29:05
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an alternate future we have gone back in
01:29:08
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time and we have created a world in
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which Cowboys at rocket ships
01:29:13
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haha because of steampunk and now we're
01:29:16
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living in a world where we don't need to
01:29:18
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buy beer because we can pay 40 times as
01:29:21
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much to make it ourselves we can spend
01:29:23
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we can spend 40 times as much to have
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the inconvenience of making ourselves
01:29:26
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hmm it feels like I'm on a spaceship
01:29:29
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made out of steam tubes and I don't have
01:29:34
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it there's no point of entry for me I
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did not want it did not want cowboy
01:29:39
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brass Rockets i do not want homemade
01:29:45
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mhm and I don't want to live in a future
01:29:48
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where the president was homemade beer
01:29:52
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and artisanal tease because what I and
01:29:54
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what I'm imagining is that
01:29:56
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it's going to create a future where the
01:29:58
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2040s going to make the 2010 look like
01:30:03
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the eighteen sixties that didn't happen
01:30:06
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a lot to process and I'm still trying to
01:30:12
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figure it out to i live in annex herb
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yeah i'm waiting for the fruit first
01:30:17
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group of engineers to come out here and
01:30:18
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take over our our community center from
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and i'll be there celebrating my new
01:30:23
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squid overlords
01:30:25
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uh-huh but I'm trying to figure out how
01:30:28
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I can get twenty percent of the company
01:30:30
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yeah I think you got you got to take a
01:30:35
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whole party down there you got it you
01:30:36
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got a group down there and can you get
01:30:38
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common cause with anybody else in the
01:30:39
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building who doesn't like these team
01:30:41
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owners well they're artists right so
01:30:44
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they're all suffering from this case of
01:30:47
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yeah nobody wants any confrontation and
01:30:50
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that's why I sent those emails instead
01:30:51
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of pounding on the door and saying who
01:30:53
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the fuck are you
01:30:54
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yeah yeah and waving a copy of my rental
01:30:59
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you know I don't want to be that guy now
01:31:03
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who's everybody else is in there space
01:31:05
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you know like like painting with a
01:31:07
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screwdriver and nobody wants any problem
01:31:11
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with anybody let alone let alone a bunch
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of skinny man bonds huh
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but a but there should be there should
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be a moment of a movement and maybe you
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know maybe I'll have a march with the
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mayor at the head of it
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Elon Musk is there on a hoverboard and
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we're marching through the streets
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saying take your reprehensible culture
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out to the exurbs you can also take what
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you learn from being so steep and
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hip-hop culture you bring your crew like
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you bring all of your like-minded people
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write your posse will have a dance-off
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pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump
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pump that's exactly it