Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the wine is

00:00:01 ◼   ► sponsored by cards against humanity this

00:00:04 ◼   ► month they asked the double clicks to

00:00:06 ◼   ► help me say hi to john

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00:00:22 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

00:00:26 ◼   ► good I i had some audio problems there

00:00:30 ◼   ► and then I realized what I had done is I

00:00:32 ◼   ► had muted muted the computer

00:00:36 ◼   ► oh whatever happened to you i'm betting

00:00:42 ◼   ► happens dormant yeah yeah i was watching

00:00:45 ◼   ► The Young Ones last night on the YouTube

00:00:49 ◼   ► and then I i I'm muted it after a while

00:00:54 ◼   ► I just wanted to capture the visual

00:00:58 ◼   ► components of civilians stick

00:01:00 ◼   ► yeah I muted I think because it didn't

00:01:03 ◼   ► because it because it wasn't as great as

00:01:05 ◼   ► I remembered it being when in 1984

00:01:08 ◼   ► yeah that's that that's that's a tall

00:01:10 ◼   ► order yeah it's still it's still pretty

00:01:12 ◼   ► manic did you watch University Challenge

00:01:13 ◼   ► I did ya boy it's got its moments though

00:01:16 ◼   ► you Lori Lori you get that get the m

00:01:20 ◼   ► thompson yes team right all Emma

00:01:22 ◼   ► Thompson isn't she wonderful

00:01:23 ◼   ► mm you got you got to your head yeah

00:01:27 ◼   ► Motorhead's there who all the greats in

00:01:30 ◼   ► des moines animated sock at one point I

00:01:32 ◼   ► think so and there's a yeah there are a

00:01:34 ◼   ► few there's an animated sock that the

00:01:36 ◼   ► washing machines rebell but let let's

00:01:41 ◼   ► not talk about the young ones as much as

00:01:43 ◼   ► I want to my this layers you know you

00:01:45 ◼   ► got the other got to get a story you got

00:01:47 ◼   ► your laundry gotta be story University

00:01:50 ◼   ► Challenge you gotta see story which is

00:01:52 ◼   ► no really really needs to use the toilet

00:01:54 ◼   ► yeah if it keeps in his buzzer that's

00:01:57 ◼   ► good stuff

00:01:58 ◼   ► oh but

00:02:01 ◼   ► really have to go there's an episode of

00:02:03 ◼   ► that show i don't think it's that 1i but

00:02:06 ◼   ► it might be is that the wonders of this

00:02:08 ◼   ► very brief like 30 second flash where

00:02:10 ◼   ► they all play each other

00:02:12 ◼   ► yeah that there is that and that's

00:02:14 ◼   ► wonderful

00:02:15 ◼   ► and then you only ever heard the guy who

00:02:17 ◼   ► plays Neil I mean I don't unfamiliar

00:02:19 ◼   ► with stuff he's done outside of their

00:02:21 ◼   ► it's so weird to hear him not being Neil

00:02:22 ◼   ► well yeah and and Rick does such a

00:02:26 ◼   ► fantastic impression million billion

00:02:30 ◼   ► that you're like oh wow that's a while

00:02:32 ◼   ► that was really good you know then that

00:02:34 ◼   ► show actually did introduce me to

00:02:36 ◼   ► Motorhead I had no experience of

00:02:38 ◼   ► motörhead until nineteen eighty-four

00:02:40 ◼   ► whatever when I saw a Motorhead perform

00:02:42 ◼   ► ace of spades on the young ones and I

00:02:44 ◼   ► said whatever the hell kind of music

00:02:46 ◼   ► that is I want it i'm gonna- name

00:02:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah well i would go so far as to

00:02:52 ◼   ► say that with the exception of glycine

00:02:54 ◼   ► remember very well i would say madness

00:02:56 ◼   ► with the exception of maybe like madness

00:02:57 ◼   ► and they can you eat the man that the

00:02:59 ◼   ► date when the damn door on there when

00:03:01 ◼   ► they were in their vampire looking stage

00:03:03 ◼   ► yeah I knew about the Damned because i

00:03:06 ◼   ► was a big fan of Captain sensible oh I

00:03:10 ◼   ► asked one of those names i just know

00:03:11 ◼   ► from books

00:03:12 ◼   ► captain sensible was a member of the

00:03:15 ◼   ► Damned and he had a single very early on

00:03:19 ◼   ► in mtv single called Walt wot ? huh

00:03:25 ◼   ► the chorus to which meant i said captain

00:03:28 ◼   ► that they said captain I said one is a

00:03:31 ◼   ► captain

00:03:32 ◼   ► so why this video like Captain so what

00:03:37 ◼   ► and then some mother with lyrics is

00:03:40 ◼   ► where it's almost a little bit papi

00:03:42 ◼   ► well yeah it's it's sort of its little

00:03:44 ◼   ► rappy and he is walking around sort of

00:03:48 ◼   ► English and a hundred Allah o always

00:03:52 ◼   ► thought it was public housing but maybe

00:03:53 ◼   ► it is a hotel and and I really really

00:03:57 ◼   ► connected with that song when i was 13

00:03:59 ◼   ► or 14 and sew them then I they learn

00:04:02 ◼   ► about the damned backwards which I guess

00:04:05 ◼   ► you know how we're gonna do

00:04:07 ◼   ► african-american and Puerto Rican people

00:04:12 ◼   ► in particular from New York City get a

00:04:14 ◼   ► lot of

00:04:14 ◼   ► credit for hip-hop mhm i don't think we

00:04:17 ◼   ► give enough credit all the way people to

00:04:18 ◼   ► help hip-hop well-proven colons and cute

00:04:20 ◼   ► and columnist Mike use all that was I

00:04:22 ◼   ► mean that's the Rosetta Stone of Rapids

00:04:24 ◼   ► be honest

00:04:25 ◼   ► yeah it goes do you take James Brown you

00:04:28 ◼   ► take your George Clinton but let's be

00:04:29 ◼   ► honest it goes all the way back to a

00:04:31 ◼   ► italian comedian yeah yeah who's making

00:04:34 ◼   ► up who's making mouth sounds let you

00:04:37 ◼   ► know so sure I mean he's word let's be

00:04:39 ◼   ► honest he basically created rap

00:04:41 ◼   ► yeah but then any would wrap have gotten

00:04:44 ◼   ► big

00:04:45 ◼   ► if it weren't for Captain sensible if it

00:04:47 ◼   ► weren't for uh Falco right if it weren't

00:04:51 ◼   ► for blondie right they really

00:04:53 ◼   ► popularized the genre i think so yeah

00:04:57 ◼   ► yeah they should there should be like a

00:04:58 ◼   ► baseball hall-of-fame except for the

00:05:02 ◼   ► white people that really help wrap it in

00:05:06 ◼   ► accountancy minnetonka know my parade

00:05:12 ◼   ► sure and what about well now i'm trying

00:05:16 ◼   ► to think did did annoying lift balloon

00:05:21 ◼   ► now that's such a rap song

00:05:23 ◼   ► see that's a you know just the Germans

00:05:26 ◼   ► just the Germans and the Austrians alone

00:05:28 ◼   ► that that helped popularize wrap that's

00:05:30 ◼   ► a really good point i don't think i

00:05:31 ◼   ► don't think white germanic peoples get

00:05:34 ◼   ► the credit they deserve well for most

00:05:36 ◼   ► things that don't

00:05:37 ◼   ► well that's true that's good very

00:05:38 ◼   ► well-organized think about how I think

00:05:40 ◼   ► about the trains no sure I do I think

00:05:43 ◼   ► about the trains know I know you pop

00:05:45 ◼   ► would have gotten bigger if they spend

00:05:46 ◼   ► more time doing German versions of songs

00:05:48 ◼   ► like EE take something you know like a

00:05:50 ◼   ► rappers delight I think if they done in

00:05:51 ◼   ► German as well apparently they did that

00:05:53 ◼   ► like very quickly you know and like a

00:05:55 ◼   ► take

00:05:55 ◼   ► yeah well it'sit's it shows be given

00:05:59 ◼   ► given the amount of technical and vocal

00:06:01 ◼   ► dexterity that is required in

00:06:04 ◼   ► contemporary rap when you listen to

00:06:06 ◼   ► Sugar Hill Gang we listen to the

00:06:09 ◼   ► original original like formative Rap

00:06:12 ◼   ► Tracks it really does feel like people

00:06:14 ◼   ► are improvising some words and i think

00:06:17 ◼   ► one of the dudes the kids biggest part

00:06:19 ◼   ► was ghostwritten I know this from

00:06:21 ◼   ► probably a public radio show tonight

00:06:23 ◼   ► what I know about rappers lame also also

00:06:25 ◼   ► something that really popular

00:06:27 ◼   ► strap public radio well I think could be

00:06:30 ◼   ► honest with you I think I don't think

00:06:32 ◼   ► Public Radio gets the credit it deserves

00:06:34 ◼   ► you're right for making hip hop as big

00:06:36 ◼   ► as it is it is you know you you have

00:06:39 ◼   ► you've opened a a a whole line of

00:06:41 ◼   ► inquiry there needs to be a netflix

00:06:43 ◼   ► series about this that enough with the

00:06:44 ◼   ► weed documentaries enough with the

00:06:46 ◼   ► documentaries about food

00:06:48 ◼   ► how about a six-part documentary on

00:06:50 ◼   ► history of white people in rap music

00:06:51 ◼   ► like you're like your crazy uncle yeah

00:06:54 ◼   ► here's my name and I'm here to say like

00:06:55 ◼   ► at the wedding reception you know for

00:06:57 ◼   ► sure well you know I actually have some

00:06:59 ◼   ► this is awful

00:07:01 ◼   ► what I'm about to reveal but pre beastie

00:07:04 ◼   ► boys gonna say 84 my friends and I had a

00:07:10 ◼   ► rap group

00:07:11 ◼   ► hmm Wow and utterly days it and this is

00:07:16 ◼   ► this is terrible but we were called the

00:07:18 ◼   ► white fresh crew the weight freshman

00:07:20 ◼   ► right yeah and we were Alaska that's

00:07:25 ◼   ► right it does everything it says on the

00:07:27 ◼   ► tin except for being fresh and being a

00:07:29 ◼   ► crook

00:07:30 ◼   ► we were created has been the white and

00:07:32 ◼   ► i'm pretty sure that we sculpt crew like

00:07:34 ◼   ► Motley Crue oh nice ride the white fresh

00:07:37 ◼   ► crew

00:07:38 ◼   ► uh-huh and what we didn't I'm not

00:07:41 ◼   ► embarrassed about this but it's hot it

00:07:43 ◼   ► maybe is hard to imagine it's almost

00:07:46 ◼   ► like a alternate universe door that we

00:07:50 ◼   ► didn't step through but we would on a

00:07:53 ◼   ► friday night go into my basement and

00:07:57 ◼   ► beatbox out here and rap to each other

00:08:04 ◼   ► just and it was just the three or four

00:08:07 ◼   ► of us and we wouldn't we would march in

00:08:15 ◼   ► a circle right so we'd start walking and

00:08:23 ◼   ► then we would take turns improvin and

00:08:28 ◼   ► and but we will but we're marching right

00:08:31 ◼   ► because because i am I don't know maybe

00:08:34 ◼   ► the maybe the look or the rhythm of like

00:08:37 ◼   ► four guys standing in a circle and of

00:08:40 ◼   ► moving

00:08:41 ◼   ► arms in a penis or like boom boom you

00:08:43 ◼   ► know like yo-yo way maybe that had

00:08:46 ◼   ► evolved yet more like a like a street

00:08:49 ◼   ► corner and less like a circle jerk

00:08:50 ◼   ► should have some emotion and what we

00:08:53 ◼   ► were moving right yeah sure marching

00:08:55 ◼   ► marching in a circle and we were kind of

00:08:57 ◼   ► we were so we're doing the exact thing

00:08:59 ◼   ► that we're wrapping into the center of

00:09:02 ◼   ► the circle right we were marching like

00:09:04 ◼   ► rapping in the back of our heads we were

00:09:06 ◼   ► wrapping into the middle but we were we

00:09:08 ◼   ► were emotion it's gonna get that kind of

00:09:11 ◼   ► breakdancing vibe we got people kind of

00:09:13 ◼   ► shucking and jiving next circle that's

00:09:14 ◼   ► right that's right and we were we were

00:09:17 ◼   ► with there was a breakdancing element

00:09:19 ◼   ► but none of us would would would

00:09:21 ◼   ► necessarily try to try to do any

00:09:24 ◼   ► breaking but a you know it was tall

00:09:27 ◼   ► wrapping around here where the white

00:09:29 ◼   ► first crew and we take no crap you dish

00:09:32 ◼   ► it out and it don't come back type of

00:09:34 ◼   ► run DMC style rhymes

00:09:37 ◼   ► yeah I caught the 123456 around yeah and

00:09:42 ◼   ► we do this we did this for quite a while

00:09:46 ◼   ► as a as a sort of you know friday

00:09:50 ◼   ► evening half rack of beer and we were

00:09:55 ◼   ► not we were doing it out of a kind of

00:09:58 ◼   ► just pure enthusiasm for the style so

00:10:03 ◼   ► this was so we were fans of DMC and the

00:10:07 ◼   ► boogie boys and and the this like first

00:10:11 ◼   ► generation of popularized like but rap

00:10:14 ◼   ► music that had be become popularized to

00:10:16 ◼   ► to mainstream right well i mean let me

00:10:20 ◼   ► ask you this

00:10:21 ◼   ► I know you and I are famously fast and

00:10:22 ◼   ► loose with dates and I'm not trying to

00:10:24 ◼   ► pin you down can you

00:10:25 ◼   ► because it helps the story a little bit

00:10:26 ◼   ► can you really mostly locate that in

00:10:29 ◼   ► around nineteen eighty-four cuz that

00:10:31 ◼   ► would also be around the time of

00:10:32 ◼   ► Flashdance yeah which I mean select the

00:10:35 ◼   ► right there at that I knew was like I

00:10:37 ◼   ► knew the Apache song I knew about you

00:10:40 ◼   ► you know I knew the the rapper's delight

00:10:42 ◼   ► and you rapture I don't think it even

00:10:44 ◼   ► heard nucleus yet jam on it was the one

00:10:47 ◼   ► that made me fall in love with

00:10:48 ◼   ► wrap-around i love jam on it with a

00:10:51 ◼   ► little funny voice Wicky Wicky Wicky

00:10:53 ◼   ► shut up you know

00:10:54 ◼   ► but the 94 is a big year because thats

00:10:56 ◼   ► you got it was really crossing over into

00:10:59 ◼   ► like those videos there was there was

00:11:02 ◼   ► famously there was breakdancing in

00:11:04 ◼   ► Flashdance remember she comes she joins

00:11:06 ◼   ► in with the kids that cute hat and she

00:11:08 ◼   ► comes out and dances there was before

00:11:10 ◼   ► was the year that rap broke

00:11:12 ◼   ► what was the year of the movie breakin a

00:11:16 ◼   ► break-in break-in came out drinking

00:11:18 ◼   ► drinking prime I'm not easy for ya

00:11:23 ◼   ► breaking came out in 84 and you know and

00:11:25 ◼   ► that should have been a second one of

00:11:26 ◼   ► this

00:11:26 ◼   ► well they did that like electric blue

00:11:30 ◼   ► sad you it's the canonical second movie

00:11:34 ◼   ► chip break-in and 84 so breaking came

00:11:38 ◼   ► out and I feel like I mean you know

00:11:41 ◼   ► again we're talking about anchorage but

00:11:44 ◼   ► this was the this was them i think the

00:11:47 ◼   ► exact moment when Alaska k the culture

00:11:50 ◼   ► in Alaska caught up to the culture in

00:11:54 ◼   ► America and now the two cultures were

00:11:56 ◼   ► happening simultaneous with water

00:11:58 ◼   ► contemporaneously right up until that

00:12:01 ◼   ► point all of our television was on a was

00:12:04 ◼   ► on a week delay because the Carson show

00:12:07 ◼   ► would happen and then they would

00:12:08 ◼   ► literally bundle the tapes up and fly

00:12:11 ◼   ► them to Alaska and play them you know

00:12:15 ◼   ► play them the following week

00:12:17 ◼   ► wow so but even worse than that most

00:12:22 ◼   ► cultural things disco and so forth like

00:12:24 ◼   ► disco arrived in anchorage in about

00:12:27 ◼   ► nineteen eighty years 79 right it was it

00:12:31 ◼   ► was it was like time-delayed it was it

00:12:33 ◼   ► was time delay all culture was sort of

00:12:35 ◼   ► time delayed up there and in some ways

00:12:38 ◼   ► that still is because if you get off an

00:12:39 ◼   ► airplane in in Anchorage now it feels

00:12:41 ◼   ► like it's 1994 i can tell you almost i

00:12:44 ◼   ► think i can tell you almost everything i

00:12:45 ◼   ► know about Alaska in like four bullets

00:12:49 ◼   ► it's one of those two last States we

00:12:51 ◼   ► strapped on that's right ok you got

00:12:53 ◼   ► baked alaska which is really fancy fancy

00:12:55 ◼   ► dessert on Alaska is where where Santa

00:13:00 ◼   ► lives which is not actually correct and

00:13:02 ◼   ► you've got uh you got that everything

00:13:05 ◼   ► that the footnote at the bottom very

00:13:06 ◼   ► commercial

00:13:07 ◼   ► prices something like prices higher in

00:13:09 ◼   ► Alaska Hawaii

00:13:10 ◼   ► yeah I don't think that even happens

00:13:12 ◼   ► anymore i think that's from the

00:13:13 ◼   ► seventies to that was always I mean

00:13:15 ◼   ► every series commercial or whatever and

00:13:16 ◼   ► Sergeant my gosh what one must be so

00:13:18 ◼   ► difficult about that

00:13:19 ◼   ► well yeah that you have to put it on a

00:13:21 ◼   ► seal and barge but but in 1984 right we

00:13:26 ◼   ► finally all had MTV and and it was

00:13:30 ◼   ► happening cable TV allowed things to

00:13:33 ◼   ► happen in real time and so we were

00:13:35 ◼   ► seeing what America was seeing I was

00:13:39 ◼   ► almost like time travel is also he

00:13:40 ◼   ► skipped two years

00:13:41 ◼   ► yeah we did it was just like everything

00:13:43 ◼   ► got really fast all of a sudden and so

00:13:46 ◼   ► we're we were up there

00:13:47 ◼   ► formerly still really enthralled with

00:13:51 ◼   ► Boston second record and then all of a

00:13:55 ◼   ► sudden like rap music descended upon us

00:13:58 ◼   ► and and new wave and pumpkin all sort of

00:14:02 ◼   ► arrived at once in 80 81 82 so anyway 84

00:14:08 ◼   ► yeah we're up there and and at that

00:14:10 ◼   ► point there wasn't any there wasn't any

00:14:16 ◼   ► indication that that there would be

00:14:20 ◼   ► white rappers but but also there wasn't

00:14:25 ◼   ► it was still sort of that mix of like

00:14:27 ◼   ► there wasn't any indication that there

00:14:29 ◼   ► would never be a white Michael Jackson

00:14:30 ◼   ► either but didn't keep us all from being

00:14:33 ◼   ► michael jackson all the time until at

00:14:36 ◼   ► least tomorrow is it was it was uniquely

00:14:37 ◼   ► located I mean I learned in retrospect

00:14:39 ◼   ► that there are many other there's lots

00:14:41 ◼   ► there's lots more to it than the obvious

00:14:42 ◼   ► stuff but the stuff we knew about was

00:14:44 ◼   ► mostly black people in a very urban

00:14:46 ◼   ► setting in New York like maybe even in a

00:14:47 ◼   ► identified as a borough of New York i

00:14:50 ◼   ► will so that's in the seventies i think

00:14:51 ◼   ► by the early eighties it had it had

00:14:53 ◼   ► disseminated they disseminated pretty

00:14:57 ◼   ► widely it was just that it didn't mean

00:15:00 ◼   ► in the public eye

00:15:01 ◼   ► what ya bum ya you mean to white people

00:15:05 ◼   ► well yeah I mean I'm here looking at the

00:15:07 ◼   ► wikipedia page 494 hop hop and you got

00:15:10 ◼   ► you run DMC the first run DMC record you

00:15:12 ◼   ► got Houdini right although 1984 the

00:15:15 ◼   ► first run DMC record which which

00:15:17 ◼   ► descended upon us like a like a thousand

00:15:20 ◼   ► ton

00:15:21 ◼   ► right that we knew every word in that

00:15:24 ◼   ► album Mike my group of friends and I and

00:15:27 ◼   ► whatever was crazy was when that beastie

00:15:29 ◼   ► boys record came out which was in 86

00:15:31 ◼   ► only a couple years later it was it was

00:15:35 ◼   ► that weird feeling like wait a minute we

00:15:38 ◼   ► thought of this but if we were doing

00:15:40 ◼   ► this exact thing that could have been us

00:15:42 ◼   ► it could have been us

00:15:44 ◼   ► yeah they could have come from Alaska

00:15:46 ◼   ► instead of three Jewish kids from from

00:15:48 ◼   ► the lower east side if we could have

00:15:51 ◼   ► been the Alaska Beastie Boys and so

00:15:54 ◼   ► there was a lot of I felt a lot of sort

00:15:57 ◼   ► of resentment to that first pc boys

00:15:59 ◼   ► record because it was almost exactly

00:16:01 ◼   ► what we would have done right whiny

00:16:03 ◼   ► drinky like you would a person

00:16:06 ◼   ► essentially helped to liven up and

00:16:09 ◼   ► refresh the genre with a whole new spin

00:16:12 ◼   ► and and and production like nobody's

00:16:14 ◼   ► ever heard before

00:16:15 ◼   ► well but it was it like automatically

00:16:17 ◼   ► right the beastie boys did not try to be

00:16:20 ◼   ► anything that they weren't all right

00:16:22 ◼   ► yeah they were just like we are not just

00:16:24 ◼   ► kids where snot-nosed kids and these

00:16:26 ◼   ► songs are about masturbation and

00:16:28 ◼   ► drinking beer and aspiring to be to be

00:16:34 ◼   ► cool and that that's you know that was

00:16:36 ◼   ► kind of the that was what was cool about

00:16:38 ◼   ► them but that is also what would have

00:16:41 ◼   ► been cool about the white fresh crew

00:16:42 ◼   ► crew didn't have a tree since John I

00:16:47 ◼   ► don't know we mean only started having a

00:16:49 ◼   ► lot over the you

00:16:51 ◼   ► oh yes it did it I mean that we didn't

00:16:55 ◼   ► we spend a lot more time drawing album

00:16:57 ◼   ► covers for the truly awful band which

00:17:00 ◼   ► was which was our other music act truly

00:17:04 ◼   ► awful man in the white fresh crew were

00:17:06 ◼   ► pretty much the same members and the

00:17:08 ◼   ► same and the same era as a lot easier

00:17:12 ◼   ► talking about did the stratosphere tense

00:17:13 ◼   ► situation yeah exactly exactly were the

00:17:15 ◼   ► we were the head cotys as well as being

00:17:18 ◼   ► the head coats

00:17:19 ◼   ► uh-huh

00:17:20 ◼   ► [Music]

00:17:22 ◼   ► but but alas neither neither act mean

00:17:27 ◼   ► the truly awful band actually played a

00:17:29 ◼   ► couple of shows who I think the I think

00:17:32 ◼   ► if we get our rap i think maybe we we

00:17:36 ◼   ► tried to wrap at a party once where r

00:17:40 ◼   ► where female a component was their

00:17:43 ◼   ► female component of my gang

00:17:46 ◼   ► yeah and the girls in my gang worse were

00:17:50 ◼   ► stronger than the boys as is also often

00:17:55 ◼   ► the case and they scorned us we started

00:18:00 ◼   ► to wrap in a circle

00:18:01 ◼   ► I'm sorry I'm gonna hurt we got scored

00:18:03 ◼   ► pretty hard so we stopped doing that

00:18:06 ◼   ► oh we stopped doing it publicly I think

00:18:08 ◼   ► we kept doing it amongst ourselves for a

00:18:10 ◼   ► while the other problem was I don't

00:18:12 ◼   ► think we ever wrote our raps down

00:18:14 ◼   ► because we understood it to be an extemp

00:18:18 ◼   ► rising games and oral tradition that's

00:18:21 ◼   ► right and so it was we never SAT like

00:18:23 ◼   ► him like eminem in the bus scrolling are

00:18:28 ◼   ► rhymes in a notebook

00:18:30 ◼   ► we just we just let them go into the air

00:18:33 ◼   ► so if you've got if you will be like

00:18:35 ◼   ► you'll be like writing a short story

00:18:36 ◼   ► about touch football like that you just

00:18:38 ◼   ► go out and play touch football you in

00:18:39 ◼   ► right about it like a pretty small

00:18:41 ◼   ► yeah so it was it was if you if you

00:18:44 ◼   ► scored a good a good little but bomo as

00:18:49 ◼   ► they say this and wrap and wrap you

00:18:52 ◼   ► would just everyone would acknowledge it

00:18:54 ◼   ► with like maha uh-huh but then it's not

00:18:57 ◼   ► like you would try and grab it and then

00:18:58 ◼   ► put a leash on it and drag it back to

00:19:00 ◼   ► earth also yeah you're very least in the

00:19:04 ◼   ► times I've known your we're more prosaic

00:19:05 ◼   ► em there's a I'm not to say that you're

00:19:08 ◼   ► not capable of short blasts of spitting

00:19:12 ◼   ► rhymes as they say but you know you're

00:19:14 ◼   ► more of a long-form probably stop

00:19:16 ◼   ► polysyllabic kind of guy

00:19:17 ◼   ► well this was your fellow your flow

00:19:19 ◼   ► works on five thousand word level this

00:19:21 ◼   ► is what I mean about stepping through a

00:19:23 ◼   ► stepping through it a door to another

00:19:26 ◼   ► thing right there all those moments when

00:19:28 ◼   ► you look back in life and go if that

00:19:30 ◼   ► head because it absolutely resonated

00:19:33 ◼   ► with me and connected

00:19:34 ◼   ► me and with my friends if we had felt

00:19:38 ◼   ► just that little bit more liberty to to

00:19:43 ◼   ► say this is actually something that i

00:19:45 ◼   ► really want to do you know you step

00:19:47 ◼   ► through and then maybe I would have

00:19:48 ◼   ► become somebody that because it when I

00:19:50 ◼   ► several years later i was living in a

00:19:53 ◼   ► house where all of my roommates were

00:19:56 ◼   ► rappers and sat around wrapping all the

00:20:00 ◼   ► time but by that point I understood that

00:20:02 ◼   ► I was not that was not I was not

00:20:05 ◼   ► basically invited to sit down it at the

00:20:09 ◼   ► on the couch and and rhyme with

00:20:11 ◼   ► everybody like my job at that point was

00:20:13 ◼   ► to roll joints and not appreciatively

00:20:16 ◼   ► but you know it could have been so much

00:20:20 ◼   ► different to all your ok i see how maybe

00:20:23 ◼   ► I could have been or maybe I could have

00:20:24 ◼   ► a a decided that that was where I was

00:20:27 ◼   ► going to pour my clear the eighties the

00:20:29 ◼   ► Golden Age of we talked about before the

00:20:31 ◼   ► extra guy in the band you can have a

00:20:32 ◼   ► professor Griff like who's there to give

00:20:34 ◼   ► you some philosophical guidance you got

00:20:37 ◼   ► the dancing guy and Happy Mondays maybe

00:20:38 ◼   ► Jonathan girls the joints

00:20:40 ◼   ► yeah but i would have wanted a more

00:20:43 ◼   ► featured role right i mean I maybe can

00:20:45 ◼   ► roll them on stage is I like to be the

00:20:47 ◼   ► guy at a party that rolled joints i

00:20:49 ◼   ► really did it would give me an activity

00:20:52 ◼   ► i could sit at the i consider the coffee

00:20:55 ◼   ► table right in the center of the party

00:20:56 ◼   ► right you're right there right in the

00:20:58 ◼   ► heart of it

00:20:59 ◼   ► yeah you've got a job and it's an

00:21:02 ◼   ► important job anywhere between the

00:21:04 ◼   ► Somali a magician yeah right i mean yet

00:21:07 ◼   ► people are going to you don't have to do

00:21:09 ◼   ► anything you want to talk you don't have

00:21:11 ◼   ► to do anything because you're rolling

00:21:12 ◼   ► joints but you can and if you start

00:21:16 ◼   ► talking everybody's gonna like it's like

00:21:17 ◼   ► H&R Block right you're going to

00:21:19 ◼   ► everybody wants to be really busy for

00:21:22 ◼   ► comments here

00:21:23 ◼   ► yeah everybody wants to hear what you've

00:21:25 ◼   ► got to say my shot at smith barney

00:21:26 ◼   ► that's rolling me yeah mr. Barney who

00:21:29 ◼   ► Smith Barney was that kind of wine

00:21:32 ◼   ► cooler right

00:21:33 ◼   ► yep yet anyway morning James so I would

00:21:35 ◼   ► just I mean but you're also you're

00:21:37 ◼   ► showing off your expertise to roll a

00:21:40 ◼   ► joint is thing that requires a certain

00:21:42 ◼   ► certain amount of

00:21:44 ◼   ► I'm not just find a spot like to roll a

00:21:47 ◼   ► good joint and I could roll a good joint

00:21:49 ◼   ► everyone you get done and just sort of

00:21:52 ◼   ► you do that thing where you tip it up so

00:21:54 ◼   ► now the joint is pointing up in the air

00:21:56 ◼   ► so everyone can see it you're like

00:21:58 ◼   ► almost it is a revealing magicians

00:22:00 ◼   ► reveal ya la la la la and then all

00:22:04 ◼   ► everyone starts salivating they can't

00:22:06 ◼   ► wait to get their hands on this joint

00:22:08 ◼   ► but maybe you don't hand it to somebody

00:22:09 ◼   ► maybe put it down on the coffee table

00:22:11 ◼   ► maybe you know maybe you lay out three

00:22:13 ◼   ► or four of them before you start having

00:22:15 ◼   ► amount so that everybody can see that

00:22:17 ◼   ► their uniform that each one you know the

00:22:19 ◼   ► day that they're beautiful matched set

00:22:21 ◼   ► hmm so that was the job that I really

00:22:24 ◼   ► appointed I i pointed myself that that

00:22:28 ◼   ► job and of course I never had the pot

00:22:30 ◼   ► right the I didn't bring pot to the

00:22:33 ◼   ► party

00:22:34 ◼   ► I didn't have any money right but but

00:22:37 ◼   ► so the person that had the pot could

00:22:39 ◼   ► also conveyed to the room that they were

00:22:44 ◼   ► big enough deal that they didn't need to

00:22:47 ◼   ► sit rolling joints right they have the

00:22:49 ◼   ► pot and so rolling the joint allowed me

00:22:53 ◼   ► then to have some ownership over the

00:22:55 ◼   ► weed so I didn't have to stand there

00:22:57 ◼   ► like a goofball and be like who you

00:22:59 ◼   ► gonna pass that over here well you're

00:23:01 ◼   ► certainly you're adding value

00:23:02 ◼   ► I've added value precisely it so the guy

00:23:05 ◼   ► with the pot is like are you know I'm

00:23:08 ◼   ► too big a deal to to be rolling joints

00:23:10 ◼   ► that's a that's the Romans work but but

00:23:15 ◼   ► then I even having rolled the joints i

00:23:17 ◼   ► was entitled at least to take up in

00:23:19 ◼   ► order to take one of those joints for

00:23:20 ◼   ► myself

00:23:21 ◼   ► mhm right you know you roll 5 slip one

00:23:24 ◼   ► in your pack of cigarettes and and

00:23:28 ◼   ► everybody feels right everybody feels

00:23:30 ◼   ► right about it

00:23:31 ◼   ► this is this is all going in my moochers

00:23:33 ◼   ► Bible mmm that's a good idea when I

00:23:35 ◼   ► finally write the Boosters Bible indeed

00:23:37 ◼   ► as an e-book know i'm thinking it's like

00:23:40 ◼   ► something that be in airport bookstores

00:23:42 ◼   ► something you read on an airplane urban

00:23:44 ◼   ► survivalist Bible like you like dr.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Strangelove Bible like you like it's

00:23:48 ◼   ► like a tiny little what's called the

00:23:49 ◼   ► moochers what the moochers Bible yes

00:23:52 ◼   ► Bible and that could be very small like

00:23:53 ◼   ► it could slip into a wallet

00:23:55 ◼   ► it should or or

00:23:56 ◼   ► you certainly will ensure pocket it

00:23:58 ◼   ► should be about the size of a pack of

00:23:59 ◼   ► cigarettes and it should be inexpensive

00:24:02 ◼   ► enough to replace because your friends

00:24:03 ◼   ► probably steal from from you because

00:24:04 ◼   ► let's be honest amateur well sure I mean

00:24:07 ◼   ► you're probably going to try and steal

00:24:08 ◼   ► it from the bookstore in the first place

00:24:10 ◼   ► yep but the other the only problem I

00:24:13 ◼   ► think is that a lot of my a lot of the

00:24:14 ◼   ► tenants in the moochers Bible aren't

00:24:16 ◼   ► really applicable anymore nobody smokes

00:24:20 ◼   ► well yeah what are you gonna do but go

00:24:22 ◼   ► walk up to somebody on the street and

00:24:23 ◼   ► asked for a cigarette because a dollar

00:24:24 ◼   ► each now

00:24:25 ◼   ► yeah so yeah I mean that they've got

00:24:29 ◼   ► really costly that's invading the vaping

00:24:31 ◼   ► is not such a park anymore either San

00:24:33 ◼   ► Francisco's coming down hard on the

00:24:34 ◼   ► vapors uh you mean they're taxing vapor

00:24:37 ◼   ► well I look at my daughter school

00:24:39 ◼   ► there's a sign right out front says no

00:24:41 ◼   ► smoking and yes no vaping either and

00:24:44 ◼   ► that was a big robot cigarettes so you

00:24:45 ◼   ► can say like look here don't do that

00:24:47 ◼   ► don't do that

00:24:49 ◼   ► what was the question with vaping isn't

00:24:51 ◼   ► so much i don't think that that it's you

00:24:54 ◼   ► know you can no longer do it on

00:24:55 ◼   ► airplanes or whatever but more that you

00:24:57 ◼   ► cannot you can't mooch a toke off

00:24:59 ◼   ► somebody's baby can you it seems like a

00:25:01 ◼   ► very personal line mucha took off

00:25:03 ◼   ► somebody's vape I don't know the kids i

00:25:05 ◼   ► see in our neighborhood have very

00:25:06 ◼   ► sophisticated looking ones they look

00:25:08 ◼   ► kinda like a magazine with remote

00:25:09 ◼   ► control from 1977's something that you

00:25:12 ◼   ► would see where they don't wanna the

00:25:13 ◼   ► cantina scene in the original starting

00:25:16 ◼   ► original Star Trek where they are where

00:25:18 ◼   ► they listen to you have many good men

00:25:20 ◼   ► and vaping yeah what brought about by

00:25:22 ◼   ► little by little deal actually took a

00:25:25 ◼   ► nap you took another fellows de Paul so

00:25:27 ◼   ► that they have a lot of fruit flavors I

00:25:28 ◼   ► think there's a lot of variety to the

00:25:30 ◼   ► vaping today used to be got you know

00:25:32 ◼   ► Marburg or camel

00:25:34 ◼   ► well now you can have any kind of flavor

00:25:35 ◼   ► really good mmmm fall people's menthol

00:25:39 ◼   ► smoking is a purely defensive tactic i

00:25:42 ◼   ► know anything about this from people i

00:25:44 ◼   ► know you think that it's true if you

00:25:46 ◼   ► smoke menthols people don't want to bum

00:25:47 ◼   ► cigarettes from you but I there but

00:25:49 ◼   ► people claim that the men fall is an

00:25:53 ◼   ► additional thing you get addicted to

00:25:56 ◼   ► I believe it so now you don't even want

00:25:58 ◼   ► to smoke a normal cigarette you have

00:26:00 ◼   ► anything in your mouth enough eventually

00:26:01 ◼   ► gonna want their but you price your it

00:26:04 ◼   ► if you get into mental smoking in order

00:26:06 ◼   ► to keep people from bumming cigarettes

00:26:08 ◼   ► it's you price yourself out of ever

00:26:11 ◼   ► becoming a cigarette from anybody else

00:26:13 ◼   ► so in the end what started off maybe as

00:26:16 ◼   ► a defensive technique ends up biting you

00:26:18 ◼   ► in the ass

00:26:19 ◼   ► mm because you don't like to buy your

00:26:20 ◼   ► own petard that's exactly what it is

00:26:22 ◼   ► yeah you go to a bar near like and one

00:26:24 ◼   ► of those and you oh it's just a Marlboro

00:26:26 ◼   ► like I need to go dip that in the candy

00:26:28 ◼   ► came because I can't enjoy a cigarette

00:26:32 ◼   ► that doesn't taste like a fresh breeze

00:26:33 ◼   ► on the bottoms cool mountain that but

00:26:37 ◼   ► i'm i'm curious about whether and I

00:26:39 ◼   ► maybe some of our bit vaping listeners

00:26:41 ◼   ► will will chime in on this

00:26:44 ◼   ► yeah but if you're hanging out around it

00:26:47 ◼   ► standard in a circle maybe doing some

00:26:49 ◼   ► marching and some some rapping

00:26:51 ◼   ► everybody's presumably got their own the

00:26:56 ◼   ► vapor cigarette right you don't take a

00:26:58 ◼   ► token and pass it on

00:26:59 ◼   ► it's not a bomb right so it's it's a big

00:27:03 ◼   ► part of this is my whole identity thing

00:27:05 ◼   ► to it when I see these kids and their

00:27:06 ◼   ► sports where they usually other

00:27:07 ◼   ► sunglasses on the back of her neck and

00:27:09 ◼   ► they're walking around making vapes yeah

00:27:11 ◼   ► baby it wasn't an energy drink

00:27:13 ◼   ► the other thing i noticed a lot about

00:27:14 ◼   ► vapors is they do that leg thing that

00:27:16 ◼   ► shaky leg thing remember when you're a

00:27:18 ◼   ► teenager and you got energy and your

00:27:19 ◼   ► legs always in motion they seem very

00:27:21 ◼   ► keyed up the vapors and you can really

00:27:24 ◼   ► identify them you know that's the energy

00:27:25 ◼   ► drink

00:27:26 ◼   ► oh I know I mean well you know a certain

00:27:29 ◼   ► point I don't know she can't even

00:27:30 ◼   ► separate them the vaping the energy

00:27:32 ◼   ► drink i don't know i don't know it feels

00:27:34 ◼   ► like a lifestyle it feels i got like a

00:27:35 ◼   ► whole kind of community college

00:27:37 ◼   ► lifestyle

00:27:38 ◼   ► yeah haha doesn't have a little bit of

00:27:40 ◼   ► CC vibe

00:27:41 ◼   ► well it always did but I but I'm seeing

00:27:44 ◼   ► a lot of I'm seeing a lot of urban

00:27:46 ◼   ► sophisticates now

00:27:48 ◼   ► well that's not columns systems but

00:27:50 ◼   ► urban people that I would normally that

00:27:53 ◼   ► would normally in the past have seen

00:27:56 ◼   ► smoking cigarettes which is a universal

00:27:58 ◼   ► indication that you are you that you are

00:28:01 ◼   ► cool and rock and roll right there are

00:28:04 ◼   ► still a lot of those people actually

00:28:06 ◼   ► smoking cigarettes burning cigarettes

00:28:09 ◼   ► which I which i can't i can't fathom was

00:28:13 ◼   ► walking through the cool neighborhood

00:28:14 ◼   ► yesterday was like

00:28:15 ◼   ► my god people are still smoking

00:28:17 ◼   ► cigarettes they're comfortable in

00:28:19 ◼   ► Manhattan i noticed that people still

00:28:21 ◼   ► gonna still true now last moment and I

00:28:23 ◼   ► was struck by how many people still

00:28:24 ◼   ► smoke still smoking cigarettes but i'm

00:28:26 ◼   ► not here to judge but I mean that's that

00:28:28 ◼   ► does it that you don't see it as much

00:28:29 ◼   ► around here for sure

00:28:30 ◼   ► let's be honest you are judging no i'm

00:28:32 ◼   ► not i'm judging the way people hard and

00:28:35 ◼   ► I want to distinguish first of all I

00:28:37 ◼   ► just want to say i don't want to talk

00:28:38 ◼   ► about this please don't email me about

00:28:39 ◼   ► this please don't treat me about this i

00:28:41 ◼   ► don't want to be persuaded about vaping

00:28:42 ◼   ► please keep it to yourself

00:28:44 ◼   ► let me let me just criticize you yeah on

00:28:47 ◼   ► my own please

00:28:48 ◼   ► sure it's one thing you're right it's

00:28:49 ◼   ► ready out mr. that's my right it's one

00:28:52 ◼   ► thing to go out I you know and I'm going

00:28:53 ◼   ► and I don't care but like I'm

00:28:55 ◼   ► distinguishing between you get this is

00:28:58 ◼   ► smoking over here this event that

00:28:59 ◼   ► there's like you could buy the

00:29:00 ◼   ► disposable ones that look like

00:29:01 ◼   ► cigarettes right that's that that's

00:29:03 ◼   ► really friendly look down the vapors

00:29:05 ◼   ► look down on that that's real kid stuff

00:29:07 ◼   ► I really there's their v that are

00:29:09 ◼   ► disposable that look like cigarette yeah

00:29:10 ◼   ► they're awesome they're not they're not

00:29:12 ◼   ► one hitters no one hitters that look

00:29:14 ◼   ► like cigarettes tho yes

00:29:16 ◼   ► cool yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah super

00:29:19 ◼   ► cool but no but they had their purpose

00:29:21 ◼   ► and then you got the ones that are more

00:29:22 ◼   ► like what i would call the ethernet

00:29:24 ◼   ► wizard cigarette and that's more like

00:29:26 ◼   ► the little one let's get playing a flute

00:29:28 ◼   ► yeah thatthat's I think those the

00:29:31 ◼   ► Picasso serious vapors now carry this

00:29:33 ◼   ► thing that looks I haven't paid a lot of

00:29:35 ◼   ► attention to it but I see them sometimes

00:29:36 ◼   ► in the neighborhoods are unavoidable and

00:29:38 ◼   ► it's it's a little bigger than like a

00:29:40 ◼   ► sailor zenith remote control i would say

00:29:42 ◼   ► it's a little bit smaller than the gyro

00:29:45 ◼   ► mechanism you used for a remote-control

00:29:47 ◼   ► plane is what if it's big I mean if it's

00:29:50 ◼   ► like the size of a Walkman what i did

00:29:51 ◼   ► when i got a big butt plug coming out of

00:29:53 ◼   ► it you talk on to make your Papes yeah

00:29:56 ◼   ► when i see that i always think of that

00:29:58 ◼   ► episode of the episode of the one show

00:30:02 ◼   ► where Frey gets the magic he gets the

00:30:07 ◼   ► devil hands he gets the robot devil

00:30:09 ◼   ► hands here on the double switch hands

00:30:11 ◼   ► okay right in the devil once human hands

00:30:14 ◼   ► and and and he offers fri though the the

00:30:18 ◼   ► robot hands devil hands Frey gets the

00:30:21 ◼   ► devil hands and then suddenly he can

00:30:22 ◼   ► play the

00:30:25 ◼   ► The Magic Flute that conjures images

00:30:28 ◼   ► right if you have a complicated plot for

00:30:31 ◼   ► half hour show

00:30:32 ◼   ► well yeah but that's the thing that they

00:30:34 ◼   ► got done making the simpsons or whatever

00:30:36 ◼   ► then maybe get done making the simpsons

00:30:38 ◼   ► but same people right yeah oh yeah i

00:30:41 ◼   ► think it's the same it started out as

00:30:43 ◼   ► the same roughish team

00:30:45 ◼   ► yeah so I mean a lot of shots a fun show

00:30:47 ◼   ► my smarts there anyway so he's playing

00:30:50 ◼   ► the he's playing them the magic flute

00:30:51 ◼   ► and it conjures up these images of him

00:30:55 ◼   ► dancing with Leela and he wins Lila's

00:30:58 ◼   ► heart but then at the end he doesn't he

00:31:02 ◼   ► doesn't consummate consummate the

00:31:04 ◼   ► relationship with Leela because that's

00:31:05 ◼   ► basically the that would ruin the show

00:31:07 ◼   ► the whole show would end and I thought

00:31:09 ◼   ► that's the same and I a moment Sam Sam

00:31:11 ◼   ► and Diane moment that's right at that

00:31:13 ◼   ► point at that point Diane has exactly

00:31:16 ◼   ► but anyway so with fries playing this

00:31:18 ◼   ► crazy electric flute with his devil

00:31:21 ◼   ► robot hands and that is what I cannot

00:31:24 ◼   ► not see that when I see people vaping on

00:31:26 ◼   ► the street I just feel like since I i

00:31:29 ◼   ► think yeah I can I get you but to me

00:31:31 ◼   ► it's almost like the way you feel

00:31:32 ◼   ► watching people use a blackberry where

00:31:34 ◼   ► before and even in the early days of the

00:31:36 ◼   ► iphone a lot of people were still always

00:31:38 ◼   ► using their BlackBerry's and they were

00:31:39 ◼   ► talking about how much they loved using

00:31:40 ◼   ► their blackberries but nobody i've never

00:31:42 ◼   ► seen by look happy using a blackberry

00:31:43 ◼   ► never get people were vaping did they

00:31:46 ◼   ► look like they're like better no shame

00:31:48 ◼   ► of what they're doing because the whole

00:31:50 ◼   ► well they should be

00:31:51 ◼   ► I mean it's real silly nothing against

00:31:53 ◼   ► it i mean he didn't have fun but

00:31:55 ◼   ► it'sit's does look very silly i think i

00:31:58 ◼   ► think some of that might be that we just

00:31:59 ◼   ► do not live in that suburban there that

00:32:02 ◼   ► XO city that the edge of a city where

00:32:06 ◼   ► people are influenced by the city i'm

00:32:08 ◼   ► talking about an agent 1x herb and

00:32:10 ◼   ► observed that you're saying you're

00:32:12 ◼   ► saying you're at a an umbrella table

00:32:14 ◼   ► outside the quiznos by the old starbucks

00:32:17 ◼   ► and you're making it up

00:32:18 ◼   ► I'm i think that as you leave this if

00:32:21 ◼   ► you're in the center of the city and you

00:32:22 ◼   ► are and your pants are riding low and

00:32:25 ◼   ► your vaping and you have a white

00:32:26 ◼   ► baseball cap on backwards people in the

00:32:29 ◼   ► city recognize us from elsewhere but as

00:32:32 ◼   ► you move further and further out of a

00:32:35 ◼   ► city you reach a borderland

00:32:38 ◼   ► where where all the cultures interact

00:32:42 ◼   ► right and you can be out there in that

00:32:44 ◼   ► borderland making alternative theater

00:32:47 ◼   ► because that's because you cannot forget

00:32:49 ◼   ► the different kind of stew

00:32:51 ◼   ► it's the children of people who work at

00:32:53 ◼   ► costco meeting with the children of

00:32:54 ◼   ► people who work at sam's club and

00:32:55 ◼   ► they're all they're all they're all

00:32:56 ◼   ► meeting together and it's a great

00:32:57 ◼   ► goulash cultural goulash

00:32:59 ◼   ► well yeah I mean especially now that

00:33:01 ◼   ► cities are too expensive to live in

00:33:02 ◼   ► right we're seeing we're seeing the

00:33:04 ◼   ► receiving the downtown culture makers

00:33:07 ◼   ► moving out as the exam billion children

00:33:13 ◼   ► characters move in and you get into this

00:33:17 ◼   ► weird realm where people are vaping

00:33:20 ◼   ► ironically and right next to people who

00:33:23 ◼   ► are vaping very earnestly and you go at

00:33:27 ◼   ► the ice vapors right I can't tell the

00:33:29 ◼   ► one from the other now I mean there are

00:33:31 ◼   ► people who've a parent it's very cool

00:33:33 ◼   ► they make it look cool and it's similar

00:33:34 ◼   ► to communicate to learn about the word

00:33:36 ◼   ► you want

00:33:38 ◼   ► well what is cool anymore Merlin is

00:33:40 ◼   ► Miles Davis you can see miles davis

00:33:41 ◼   ► doing that I think that the next Miles

00:33:45 ◼   ► Davis is right now i'll probably says

00:33:49 ◼   ► sixteen-year-old vapor Miles Davis to

00:33:51 ◼   ► point out well probably now for point

00:33:54 ◼   ► out for the out like Miles Davis ex was

00:33:57 ◼   ► a pretty good must have snacks that's

00:33:58 ◼   ► pretty good yeah i'm sure it was what I

00:34:00 ◼   ► think it would just be miles X minus X

00:34:03 ◼   ► yeah but yeah I think I think that there

00:34:05 ◼   ► i think vaping is here to stay and I

00:34:07 ◼   ► think it only looks ridiculous to us but

00:34:10 ◼   ► in a very short amount of time it will

00:34:11 ◼   ► just be as natural to to the young

00:34:14 ◼   ► people as anything much more natural

00:34:16 ◼   ► than cigarettes cigarettes are gonna

00:34:17 ◼   ► look like some elder make that 19 know

00:34:21 ◼   ► they're gonna make the fifties look like

00:34:22 ◼   ► this

00:34:23 ◼   ► yeah exactly well i'm also i agree with

00:34:26 ◼   ► you about people having to move out the

00:34:28 ◼   ► city's I'm interested in what happens

00:34:29 ◼   ► within the next what probably two years

00:34:31 ◼   ► for everybody cool is going to live

00:34:33 ◼   ► outside the city everybody lives in the

00:34:35 ◼   ► city is going to be a douchebag who's

00:34:36 ◼   ► making makes apps what's what's the

00:34:38 ◼   ► opposite of a Bridge and Tunnel crowd

00:34:40 ◼   ► right but what if we get to where people

00:34:42 ◼   ► are going they're going out to the

00:34:43 ◼   ► exurbs because that's where the good

00:34:45 ◼   ► skate ramps and of apes are you know

00:34:47 ◼   ► saying yeah I feel like it will continue

00:34:49 ◼   ► to be called bridge-and-tunnel little

00:34:51 ◼   ► bit

00:34:51 ◼   ► to be bridgend people taking bridges and

00:34:53 ◼   ► tunnels to get out of the downtown core

00:34:55 ◼   ► rather than go into it it's a different

00:34:58 ◼   ► it's the whole it's all white flight

00:35:00 ◼   ► premise but not in Reverse but sort of

00:35:05 ◼   ► in Reverse like fleeing not not fleeing

00:35:09 ◼   ► from the decline of the inner city

00:35:12 ◼   ► because it has become a like dangerous

00:35:16 ◼   ► and uh and decaying but flight leaving

00:35:19 ◼   ► from the inner city because it's

00:35:21 ◼   ► intolerable tolerably smug man that's

00:35:26 ◼   ► that's that's going to get trend piece

00:35:28 ◼   ► that's gonna be a trend piece in the

00:35:29 ◼   ► next couple years I mean already already

00:35:31 ◼   ► see it like in our local paper coom

00:35:33 ◼   ► website if there's already like there's

00:35:35 ◼   ► a huge amount of the front page that

00:35:36 ◼   ► goes to come here buddy what somebody is

00:35:38 ◼   ► selling this teardown for ya

00:35:40 ◼   ► and then there's the of course the

00:35:41 ◼   ► component piece of that is but if you

00:35:44 ◼   ► move to you know Dumbledore pleasanton

00:35:46 ◼   ► you can get a 6,000 acre ranch for nine

00:35:50 ◼   ► dollars

00:35:50 ◼   ► yea Pleasant and was intent on the part

00:35:52 ◼   ► I think you know I think that that

00:35:55 ◼   ► honestly right the the last 20 years has

00:35:58 ◼   ► has seen the burbs

00:36:01 ◼   ► let's call it the last 30 years saw all

00:36:05 ◼   ► this you know these mega mansions or

00:36:07 ◼   ► Mick mansions but they're McMansions

00:36:10 ◼   ► kind of gross overly large houses with

00:36:13 ◼   ► three-story atrium and then that the

00:36:15 ◼   ► tria the cheaper knockoff version that

00:36:18 ◼   ► mention Kings mansion King come and

00:36:22 ◼   ► they're always intervention chef in

00:36:24 ◼   ► years

00:36:24 ◼   ► I you know I I don't have a TV you know

00:36:27 ◼   ► what a butt out there in these like

00:36:29 ◼   ► manicured neighborhoods with these over

00:36:33 ◼   ► large homes and now nobody wants to live

00:36:36 ◼   ► in them anymore but i think we're going

00:36:39 ◼   ► to see an exodus of people from the city

00:36:42 ◼   ► who will move out there and find that

00:36:45 ◼   ► that they can get these huge huge homes

00:36:49 ◼   ► look like seven beds super cheap where

00:36:53 ◼   ► the weather cell they sell at way under

00:36:55 ◼   ► market value to get out

00:36:56 ◼   ► yeah it makes it available goes on the

00:36:58 ◼   ► market oh that's super interesting and

00:37:00 ◼   ► then these neighborhoods are suddenly

00:37:01 ◼   ► going to become vibrant places because

00:37:03 ◼   ► these homes are going to have like

00:37:05 ◼   ► three different families living and

00:37:07 ◼   ► regeneration of different families it's

00:37:09 ◼   ► gonna become the equivalent of I mean

00:37:11 ◼   ► that would be so great you can have

00:37:13 ◼   ► three different families living in one

00:37:15 ◼   ► of these giant giant houses they're just

00:37:16 ◼   ► they're really using the pool they don't

00:37:17 ◼   ► have a pool it's think clean there's

00:37:19 ◼   ► like 60 kids in the pool

00:37:20 ◼   ► that's right and maybe it's like an

00:37:22 ◼   ► ad-hoc apartment maybe 9 a-9 like a like

00:37:27 ◼   ► a scream poets will all move into

00:37:30 ◼   ► Lauren's mega-mansion out in the suburbs

00:37:33 ◼   ► and and you know they're gonna start

00:37:36 ◼   ► seeing like interesting sculptures

00:37:38 ◼   ► appear in the yard

00:37:39 ◼   ► I mean those those neighborhoods could

00:37:41 ◼   ► are ripe to be colonized by uh by this

00:37:45 ◼   ► like dramatic creative class that can no

00:37:47 ◼   ► longer make make a theater in warehouses

00:37:50 ◼   ► huh

00:37:51 ◼   ► so I'm excited about that and I wonder I

00:37:55 ◼   ► wonder I mean maybe there will be life

00:37:57 ◼   ► on those streets maybe they will

00:37:58 ◼   ► suddenly be kids riding their writing

00:38:01 ◼   ► there a unicycle or whatever kids ride a

00:38:04 ◼   ► get a recumbent bike or a hotter board

00:38:07 ◼   ► yeah it'll be like little it will

00:38:09 ◼   ► literally make the 2020 these look at

00:38:12 ◼   ► look like the fifties em the 2020s are

00:38:16 ◼   ► going to make the 2010 look like

00:38:20 ◼   ► nineteen nineties and early nineteen

00:38:23 ◼   ► nineties are going to make the 2020s

00:38:25 ◼   ► look like the fifties manslaughter

00:38:27 ◼   ► Collins so I mean at you know what as as

00:38:30 ◼   ► the parents of of young kids we might

00:38:32 ◼   ► start to think about like hey let's go

00:38:35 ◼   ► out there by one of those as mega

00:38:37 ◼   ► mansions that has like two gold lions on

00:38:39 ◼   ► the steps

00:38:40 ◼   ► yeah and you know move in and then

00:38:43 ◼   ► suddenly the master you've got a master

00:38:44 ◼   ► bedroom

00:38:45 ◼   ► that's like 1,500 square feet and your

00:38:49 ◼   ► kid has a as their own bedroom but also

00:38:51 ◼   ► their own den ah and you can rollerskate

00:38:54 ◼   ► in the living room you can make one of

00:38:55 ◼   ► the rooms into just like a jungle

00:38:57 ◼   ► playroom jungle playroom you could hire

00:38:59 ◼   ► a local maker somebody with a hot glue

00:39:01 ◼   ► down a book they could come out and they

00:39:02 ◼   ► can make a jungle inside one of the

00:39:04 ◼   ► rooms the kids could plan here's what

00:39:05 ◼   ► I'm thinking I'm thinking let's let you

00:39:08 ◼   ► taking internet you buy a mansion a

00:39:10 ◼   ► former you know mansion king and then

00:39:12 ◼   ► you you take it out however you want and

00:39:14 ◼   ► then and you buy a google bus

00:39:17 ◼   ► and that way now you got a cheap way

00:39:19 ◼   ► easy way to get people in and out of the

00:39:21 ◼   ► city you can still go to the city if you

00:39:23 ◼   ► need baby supplies or work and it's a

00:39:26 ◼   ► lot easier than have known a bunch of

00:39:27 ◼   ► cars and you know something that

00:39:28 ◼   ► sculpture on the line i think we don't

00:39:30 ◼   ► want cars on one

00:39:31 ◼   ► no that's true see but whatever cars are

00:39:34 ◼   ► going to Waverly I know I know but 11

00:39:36 ◼   ► google but especially you know you can

00:39:38 ◼   ► try grease or or as son

00:39:41 ◼   ► mhm I don't know I'm just saying the

00:39:42 ◼   ► economies of scale here everybody kicks

00:39:44 ◼   ► in a little bit you could by mentioning

00:39:46 ◼   ► pretty pretty cheap probably now you

00:39:48 ◼   ► you've got your finger on the pulse of

00:39:49 ◼   ► e-commerce and entrepreneurship think I

00:39:53 ◼   ► do yeah so tell me are we closer to an

00:39:57 ◼   ► omen we're going to get a lot of letters

00:39:58 ◼   ► about this from Johnson cuza hoo-ha but

00:40:02 ◼   ► uh are we closer now to the paperless

00:40:05 ◼   ► office are we closer to people just

00:40:08 ◼   ► working from home or do people continue

00:40:11 ◼   ► to need to come into the city where they

00:40:14 ◼   ► have free fruit loops in a giant fruit

00:40:18 ◼   ► loop dispenser as one of the perks of

00:40:20 ◼   ► their open plan office beanbag chair

00:40:23 ◼   ► office

00:40:23 ◼   ► mhm people going to continue to come in

00:40:26 ◼   ► for the fruit loops and the beanbag

00:40:27 ◼   ► chairs or are the engineers one day

00:40:30 ◼   ► going to completely rebell and say

00:40:33 ◼   ► listen has an engineer I no longer need

00:40:35 ◼   ► to ever wear pants again

00:40:37 ◼   ► yeah and i'm just going to code from the

00:40:40 ◼   ► enormous beanbag sex chair that is the

00:40:43 ◼   ► only item of furniture in mind in the

00:40:45 ◼   ► entire mega-mansion and I get the

00:40:47 ◼   ► Lamborghini poster lamborghini poster

00:40:49 ◼   ► and the and the enormous beanbag chair

00:40:51 ◼   ► and they're just in there just coding

00:40:54 ◼   ► they've got like six screens they get

00:40:57 ◼   ► their own fruit loops dispenser nice

00:40:59 ◼   ► they never need to come into the city at

00:41:01 ◼   ► all it are we closer to that or is there

00:41:04 ◼   ► it is there something about that the is

00:41:08 ◼   ► there something about the proximity to

00:41:09 ◼   ► one another the standup desks and the

00:41:13 ◼   ► and the conference rooms that make going

00:41:17 ◼   ► into San Francisco necessary for for for

00:41:20 ◼   ► commerce the honest answer the funny

00:41:22 ◼   ► answer

00:41:23 ◼   ► I want the honest answer it has existed

00:41:27 ◼   ► already for a long time there's a lot of

00:41:28 ◼   ► people that there are a lot of companies

00:41:30 ◼   ► that when they started

00:41:32 ◼   ► that's how they started they started

00:41:33 ◼   ► with people working remotely one of the

00:41:34 ◼   ► big problems with trying to reduce all

00:41:36 ◼   ► this revolutionary bullshit in the

00:41:37 ◼   ► company's is that it works against the

00:41:39 ◼   ► principles upon which the company was

00:41:41 ◼   ► started and it works directly at odds

00:41:44 ◼   ► with the culture that's kind of it's

00:41:46 ◼   ► been the nation culture since the play

00:41:47 ◼   ► started you know what I mean

00:41:49 ◼   ► so it's like it it's almost like think

00:41:51 ◼   ► of a family like a passive-aggressive

00:41:53 ◼   ► western family and Midwestern family who

00:41:56 ◼   ► likes a movie where the family likes

00:41:58 ◼   ► each other it's ok for now I'm walking

00:41:59 ◼   ► to like each other as well that's easier

00:42:01 ◼   ► said than done because this is the way

00:42:03 ◼   ► we have always acted it's hard to just

00:42:04 ◼   ► you don't get to hit a reset button and

00:42:07 ◼   ► terraforming family right so i think

00:42:08 ◼   ► that's one so on the one hand I think it

00:42:11 ◼   ► always has existed for some companies i

00:42:13 ◼   ► mean i i've worked with companies where

00:42:15 ◼   ► everybody's on contract and all but like

00:42:16 ◼   ► three people work remotely and so what

00:42:19 ◼   ► then is doing the other part of that is

00:42:21 ◼   ► that I think this is the sea dance with

00:42:24 ◼   ► a funny answer switch again and also

00:42:25 ◼   ► people like to think there's a certain

00:42:29 ◼   ► way of managing only managing where it's

00:42:32 ◼   ► definitely easier to have everybody in

00:42:33 ◼   ► the room but honestly it's also

00:42:34 ◼   ► sometimes easier to collaborate with

00:42:36 ◼   ► people in a room even or especially with

00:42:37 ◼   ► things like engineers you get a lot more

00:42:39 ◼   ► accomplished when you can be

00:42:40 ◼   ► face-to-face with somebody so this idea

00:42:43 ◼   ► ok let's ok let's think about this but I

00:42:46 ◼   ► mean so there's still much more to that

00:42:47 ◼   ► you can still have things we can still

00:42:48 ◼   ► like have the occasional like weekly

00:42:50 ◼   ► meeting and stand up and everybody's

00:42:51 ◼   ► trying different things and then there's

00:42:53 ◼   ► nobody who says I want nobody anymore he

00:42:55 ◼   ► says I want the kind of job i think my

00:42:57 ◼   ► grandparents had no I don't want a job

00:42:59 ◼   ► we have to go and likes in a big

00:43:00 ◼   ► building with artificial light and

00:43:02 ◼   ► windows that don't open and just and and

00:43:04 ◼   ► sit around and do this point nobody

00:43:06 ◼   ► wants that it's just that there isn't

00:43:07 ◼   ► any easy way to say that what what is if

00:43:10 ◼   ► you don't want that then what do you

00:43:11 ◼   ► want because this complexity that's what

00:43:13 ◼   ► I'm saying that like my what I'm trying

00:43:14 ◼   ► to imagine is let's let's let's picture

00:43:18 ◼   ► one of these exurbs one of these

00:43:21 ◼   ► McMansion villages and let's say that it

00:43:25 ◼   ► becomes a colony right where everyone

00:43:28 ◼   ► who lives in that neighborhood is an

00:43:29 ◼   ► engineer so they're all working offshore

00:43:33 ◼   ► four different one second it's literally

00:43:35 ◼   ► a village village that shoemaker you got

00:43:38 ◼   ► barber you got a-you got am working till

00:43:41 ◼   ► you got all these people and they work

00:43:42 ◼   ► together and with each other you're

00:43:44 ◼   ► saying here is the same thing is

00:43:46 ◼   ► literally a village just over here you

00:43:47 ◼   ► got a programmer over here you gotta my

00:43:49 ◼   ► single person you get a full stack

00:43:50 ◼   ► person you're right

00:43:52 ◼   ► XHTML HTML exactly this guy over here is

00:43:56 ◼   ► doing ironic 8-bit animations for people

00:43:59 ◼   ► who decided that the cool websites are

00:44:02 ◼   ► throwback websites and then I think a

00:44:04 ◼   ► lot of those McMansion neighborhoods in

00:44:07 ◼   ► the in it as they were building them

00:44:08 ◼   ► they were trying to create trying to

00:44:11 ◼   ► falsely to create a feeling of community

00:44:13 ◼   ► and so they would actually build like

00:44:15 ◼   ► community centers where they met that

00:44:19 ◼   ► had barbecues and stuff that where they

00:44:21 ◼   ► imagine the people would congregate for

00:44:23 ◼   ► that feeling of togetherness completely

00:44:26 ◼   ► failing to understand that that the

00:44:27 ◼   ► premise of constructing those whole

00:44:29 ◼   ► neighborhood's was that no one wanted to

00:44:31 ◼   ► interact with each other at all you

00:44:33 ◼   ► would park your lexus 300 in the in the

00:44:36 ◼   ► garage

00:44:37 ◼   ► you're not even want to get out of your

00:44:39 ◼   ► car outside you don't want to get into

00:44:41 ◼   ► the garage closed the garage door and

00:44:42 ◼   ► then get out

00:44:43 ◼   ► that's right so but now we're picturing

00:44:45 ◼   ► a colony of Engineers all living

00:44:48 ◼   ► together and they do they do use the the

00:44:52 ◼   ► communal space as an office communal

00:44:54 ◼   ► office and a communal like gathering

00:44:57 ◼   ► point where they're sharing ideas

00:44:58 ◼   ► they're they're you know they're showing

00:45:01 ◼   ► their stuff and their kids are all

00:45:03 ◼   ► around them and then all of a sudden the

00:45:05 ◼   ► google bus only comes the google bus

00:45:07 ◼   ► comes every day because that's the

00:45:09 ◼   ► amazon prime bus now which comes and

00:45:13 ◼   ► delivers all the groceries and all the

00:45:14 ◼   ► supplies that everybody is all that's so

00:45:17 ◼   ► efficient

00:45:18 ◼   ► that's right before different services

00:45:19 ◼   ► that you know kind of trickling in

00:45:21 ◼   ► throughout the day you do a big you do

00:45:22 ◼   ► it's like it's like escape from new york

00:45:24 ◼   ► the helicopter comes and drop supplies

00:45:26 ◼   ► yeah it's a semi still our escape from

00:45:28 ◼   ► new york john that's the thing it

00:45:30 ◼   ► becomes not a walled city because if we

00:45:32 ◼   ► want to come it's open right but you

00:45:34 ◼   ► would never need to leave your

00:45:36 ◼   ► neighborhood and it could become like a

00:45:37 ◼   ► think tank right this would you that it

00:45:40 ◼   ► would be like it would be like in the

00:45:42 ◼   ► original movie Tron where the bit the

00:45:44 ◼   ► beam of light of the master control

00:45:46 ◼   ► program

00:45:46 ◼   ► is beaming up out of these neighborhoods

00:45:49 ◼   ► and all the engineers that to all the

00:45:51 ◼   ► engineering for the entire city of San

00:45:53 ◼   ► Francisco are just living together and

00:45:56 ◼   ► then you've got your alternative theater

00:45:57 ◼   ► neighborhood over here you've got your

00:45:59 ◼   ► entrepreneur neighborhood where the

00:46:02 ◼   ► entrepreneurs who are self-conscious

00:46:03 ◼   ► about their money want to live in the

00:46:06 ◼   ► kind of McMansion house that maybe they

00:46:10 ◼   ► once upon a time would have lived in as

00:46:12 ◼   ► a serious mansion house

00:46:13 ◼   ► yeah now that the mansion houses are are

00:46:16 ◼   ► seen as like middle-class collective

00:46:19 ◼   ► homes they actually want to move into

00:46:21 ◼   ► them as a way of just of camouflaging

00:46:23 ◼   ► their wealth but you'll want to be

00:46:25 ◼   ► around because you're gonna Ryan ironic

00:46:27 ◼   ► mansion you know you may want to keep

00:46:30 ◼   ► going around ironically let's call it a

00:46:31 ◼   ► mac mansion it's not a McMansion anymore

00:46:34 ◼   ► its a Mac mansion that's right huh

00:46:38 ◼   ► so the entrepreneurs actually still have

00:46:40 ◼   ► their 8,000 square-foot warehouse in San

00:46:44 ◼   ► Francisco but now they realize that

00:46:46 ◼   ► their that they have to slum out in the

00:46:49 ◼   ► suburbs where all the action is it

00:46:51 ◼   ► mostly good like I saw this thing

00:46:52 ◼   ► somebody finally posted this thing of

00:46:54 ◼   ► the day it's this way of it's like a pod

00:46:55 ◼   ► you can get from it for your backyard

00:46:57 ◼   ► for a home office actually super cool

00:46:59 ◼   ► its kind of thing you'd see like that up

00:47:01 ◼   ► you know in the nineteen seventies it's

00:47:03 ◼   ► a very comfortable like mostly glass

00:47:06 ◼   ► thing that can just get dropped in your

00:47:08 ◼   ► backyard and you can do your business

00:47:09 ◼   ► right in the backyard

00:47:10 ◼   ► I can see people living I think this is

00:47:11 ◼   ► a popular trend right now is that what

00:47:13 ◼   ► he called the micro house or whatever

00:47:14 ◼   ► the meetinghouse Michael many of them

00:47:16 ◼   ► yeah your micro mini house would be

00:47:17 ◼   ► likes a bunk bed and gas stove and about

00:47:20 ◼   ► you get to find this stuff gets a

00:47:21 ◼   ► horizontal slots slots you know so you

00:47:23 ◼   ► can well it out a little bit you know so

00:47:25 ◼   ► so no not only primary place you would

00:47:27 ◼   ► live in the mac mansion or the McMansion

00:47:29 ◼   ► you would never actually a convention

00:47:30 ◼   ► right and then we have all the micro pod

00:47:32 ◼   ► pods in the so they start off in the

00:47:36 ◼   ► backyard but then people realize what

00:47:38 ◼   ► are we hiding from this is our community

00:47:41 ◼   ► so then the pod start start popping up

00:47:43 ◼   ► in people's front yards and then odds

00:47:46 ◼   ► than the pods become a separate network

00:47:49 ◼   ► a separate like network of of a like a

00:47:54 ◼   ► like another another connective layer of

00:47:58 ◼   ► brain

00:47:59 ◼   ► that's that's within the mac mansions

00:48:02 ◼   ► and then the first one shows up inside a

00:48:06 ◼   ► mac mansion in the atrium in the front

00:48:09 ◼   ► hall and you can put them in a circle it

00:48:11 ◼   ► will be recalled the opposite of a panic

00:48:14 ◼   ► on you can have a non opticon you have

00:48:16 ◼   ► all the facing toward the middle of the

00:48:17 ◼   ► village where the campfire is you can

00:48:19 ◼   ► have all the little glass facing in the

00:48:21 ◼   ► same direction right well then it

00:48:23 ◼   ► becomes one of those mirrors probably

00:48:24 ◼   ► opticon the the mirrored a solar-powered

00:48:27 ◼   ► energy collector who where they're all

00:48:30 ◼   ► arranged in a circle and they're

00:48:31 ◼   ► reflecting the sunlight or the brain

00:48:34 ◼   ► waves to a central hub to the NCP to the

00:48:37 ◼   ► mCP over so it's generating ideas it's

00:48:39 ◼   ► generating power it's probably generated

00:48:42 ◼   ► and with maybe that's almost a limited

00:48:46 ◼   ► bandwidth at this point huh

00:48:48 ◼   ► so and this is we're talking about

00:48:49 ◼   ► mansions now who I feel like this is the

00:48:53 ◼   ► trend this is the way it's going because

00:48:55 ◼   ► at that point

00:48:56 ◼   ► yeah you like the wide-open space you

00:48:58 ◼   ► like the boulevards you like the the

00:49:00 ◼   ► flight uniformly tree-lined streets

00:49:03 ◼   ► there's not as much there's not as much

00:49:06 ◼   ► to go awry

00:49:08 ◼   ► unfortunately those houses are mostly

00:49:10 ◼   ► stapled and glued together so i don't

00:49:12 ◼   ► think they're going to last forever

00:49:14 ◼   ► that's ok that's ok this is a new

00:49:15 ◼   ► generation John we really want to bring

00:49:17 ◼   ► our old thinking they don't season

00:49:18 ◼   ► Colonial Williamsburg right people who

00:49:21 ◼   ► have no belongings and Spotify and they

00:49:24 ◼   ► maybe have a laptop so as the houses as

00:49:27 ◼   ► new there in the clouds on these people

00:49:29 ◼   ► in the clouds they are so they're living

00:49:30 ◼   ► in the cloud live in the cloud but i

00:49:31 ◼   ► think there's going to be a magic moment

00:49:33 ◼   ► where these homes that are made out of

00:49:35 ◼   ► pressed particle of substances there

00:49:39 ◼   ► right now they're off-gassing right

00:49:40 ◼   ► that's the phrase they are off-gassing

00:49:42 ◼   ► meaning that all of the all the chemical

00:49:44 ◼   ► glues that are holding the homes

00:49:45 ◼   ► together are still gassing they're still

00:49:48 ◼   ► turning to gas and and poisoning you and

00:49:52 ◼   ► your children but there'll be a moment

00:49:54 ◼   ► where they stop gassing because they've

00:49:56 ◼   ► get off gastall the gas and then they

00:49:59 ◼   ► start absorbing moisture right those

00:50:02 ◼   ► surf those those are building components

00:50:04 ◼   ► are going to start swelling they're

00:50:06 ◼   ► going to steal all your breath and all

00:50:07 ◼   ► of your perspiration cici yes

00:50:10 ◼   ► yes there's a lot of moisture in the

00:50:11 ◼   ► home right so there's going to be a

00:50:13 ◼   ► perfect moment between the off-gassing

00:50:16 ◼   ► and when the houses start to swell with

00:50:19 ◼   ► perspiration where they're in stasis

00:50:21 ◼   ► right there they're like it's the pits

00:50:24 ◼   ► they're perfect

00:50:26 ◼   ► it's the perfect state and that will be

00:50:29 ◼   ► the moment they know for whatever two

00:50:31 ◼   ► years that period is that will be when

00:50:33 ◼   ► to go in there colonize those spaces ok

00:50:35 ◼   ► use them to generate entrepreneurship

00:50:38 ◼   ► and then a and then when the building

00:50:41 ◼   ► start to fall down when the moss the

00:50:42 ◼   ► black mold starts to form the corners

00:50:45 ◼   ► maybe you have a like a Detroit style

00:50:47 ◼   ► hell night we just one night you just

00:50:50 ◼   ► take your beanbag chairs you you take

00:50:52 ◼   ► your Lamborghini posters you put them

00:50:54 ◼   ► all on a on amazon bus

00:50:56 ◼   ► yeah you burn the entire neighborhood

00:50:58 ◼   ► damn you can like the perch and you get

00:51:00 ◼   ► it's like it's like a Clemenza says

00:51:02 ◼   ► right you can have a war every few years

00:51:04 ◼   ► that's right give it a black mold and

00:51:05 ◼   ► then you can just extrude a new house

00:51:07 ◼   ► again terraforming you can just tell you

00:51:08 ◼   ► get you extrude a new house where the

00:51:10 ◼   ► focus by then I think your point though

00:51:12 ◼   ► by the time you get rid of the deadly

00:51:13 ◼   ► part or the poison is part of the of the

00:51:15 ◼   ► particle board you're also introducing a

00:51:17 ◼   ► problem the performance characteristics

00:51:18 ◼   ► are already degrading to get maybe maybe

00:51:20 ◼   ► two years who knows how much the gas was

00:51:23 ◼   ► holding the whole thing together

00:51:24 ◼   ► yeah and then then you're like the end

00:51:26 ◼   ► of a road warrior two electric boogaloo

00:51:29 ◼   ► where you all get into a motley caravan

00:51:33 ◼   ► of google buses and electric cars and

00:51:37 ◼   ► you're towing your little pods you're

00:51:39 ◼   ► gonna bang bang chitty bang me and you

00:51:44 ◼   ► head off and the homunculus is there man

00:51:48 ◼   ► give us the oil i head off into the

00:51:52 ◼   ► desert to create you're looking for the

00:51:54 ◼   ► next utopia next mansions mm we can

00:52:00 ◼   ► dream can't we feel like this is the way

00:52:02 ◼   ► and i just want to live long enough to

00:52:03 ◼   ► see this happen

00:52:04 ◼   ► yeah because at this point you know

00:52:06 ◼   ► we're both going to be the old crotchety

00:52:09 ◼   ► geezer with the with the Edit forget

00:52:11 ◼   ► what kind of hat he was wearing was a as

00:52:13 ◼   ► like Napoleon hat or something

00:52:16 ◼   ► well just max thing I think it's a

00:52:19 ◼   ► madman

00:52:19 ◼   ► yeah but you know also to refer to your

00:52:22 ◼   ► program you like we could also just be

00:52:23 ◼   ► ahead and charge at that point you know

00:52:26 ◼   ► I mean we can see what you're saying

00:52:26 ◼   ► yeah arguing with Richard Nixon on the

00:52:29 ◼   ► shelf somewhere

00:52:30 ◼   ► yeah that's funny bit I don't want to

00:52:32 ◼   ► you you seem you seem a little bit

00:52:34 ◼   ► dismissive of the show with fry and

00:52:37 ◼   ► Leela I like it a lot it's been banned

00:52:39 ◼   ► from the house

00:52:40 ◼   ► um we do it was just a little bit too

00:52:43 ◼   ► much

00:52:44 ◼   ► I you know inside words and definitions

00:52:48 ◼   ► it gets a little saucy and starvation in

00:52:51 ◼   ► a fit of pique my wife bandit I see my

00:52:54 ◼   ► daughter was extremely into it though

00:52:56 ◼   ► I'm still we still have we know we keep

00:52:58 ◼   ► a long list of about sixty pet names we

00:53:00 ◼   ► keep keep around she still really want

00:53:02 ◼   ► to name something Lord nibbler Lords a

00:53:03 ◼   ► blur is pretty cute

00:53:05 ◼   ► sure he's the little nipper that eats

00:53:06 ◼   ► everything right he's adorable and his

00:53:08 ◼   ► poop is not what runs the ship all

00:53:10 ◼   ► rights right these little infinitely

00:53:12 ◼   ► dense poops could be i won that show

00:53:14 ◼   ► came out I was not interested in it at

00:53:16 ◼   ► all but then I saw it in reruns

00:53:18 ◼   ► syndication they call it and I and I and

00:53:22 ◼   ► I night and I did like it for for

00:53:24 ◼   ► several years and then I didn't have a

00:53:26 ◼   ► TV anymore it's a great hotel rooms show

00:53:28 ◼   ► that's right it's one of those ones like

00:53:30 ◼   ► yeah there's certain kinds of shows i

00:53:32 ◼   ► would never once had never watched but I

00:53:34 ◼   ► wouldn't make make special appointment

00:53:36 ◼   ► viewing time for but like if it's on a

00:53:37 ◼   ► hotel room it's like it's really good

00:53:39 ◼   ► it's not a thing that you're gonna get

00:53:40 ◼   ► as you're scrolling through netflix and

00:53:43 ◼   ► seeing 1 million movies that you never

00:53:46 ◼   ► knew existed and never will watch you'll

00:53:49 ◼   ► see the the fry and Leela show and you

00:53:52 ◼   ► say oh isn't that good that's all your

00:53:54 ◼   ► likes and it seemed it strikes you as a

00:53:56 ◼   ► positive but you're not gonna watch it

00:53:59 ◼   ► either like the whole point of Netflix's

00:54:01 ◼   ► to scroll and scroll and scroll

00:54:03 ◼   ► endlessly and never watch anything

00:54:05 ◼   ► yeah and so they just dumped some new

00:54:07 ◼   ► stuff in the last few days it's kind of

00:54:08 ◼   ► overwhelming you know what I learned of

00:54:09 ◼   ► this is true but a couple people told me

00:54:11 ◼   ► this

00:54:11 ◼   ► he said you have the netflix well I did

00:54:14 ◼   ► get familiar with the what it what it is

00:54:17 ◼   ► yeah but I was just going to tell a very

00:54:18 ◼   ► short story where I kind of got him I

00:54:20 ◼   ► got a little bit of a millennial break

00:54:22 ◼   ► up the other day when i logged onto

00:54:23 ◼   ► Netflix

00:54:24 ◼   ► and i was and i met my password has been

00:54:27 ◼   ► removed

00:54:28 ◼   ► well so well because it wasn't my

00:54:30 ◼   ► netflix so I got millennia I get the

00:54:33 ◼   ► Millennial breakup

00:54:34 ◼   ► oh I'm sorry that you're disinvited to

00:54:38 ◼   ► use my netflix for free

00:54:40 ◼   ► oh the Millennial pop ya know you got

00:54:44 ◼   ► tonight

00:54:45 ◼   ► oh yeah somebody boyce you so you turn

00:54:49 ◼   ► your computer like I think i'm gonna

00:54:50 ◼   ► watch days of the Condor again for the

00:54:52 ◼   ► 40th time it you get that netflix a

00:54:55 ◼   ► screen that's like would you like to

00:54:57 ◼   ► join netflix yeah like what what what no

00:55:00 ◼   ► no no you put your put your what had

00:55:03 ◼   ► waited for the last several years been

00:55:05 ◼   ► your password with ya or password with

00:55:07 ◼   ► someone else's of a sudden it doesn't

00:55:09 ◼   ► work that netflix returns zero results

00:55:11 ◼   ► at 4044 a forehand and you're like oh

00:55:15 ◼   ► fuck i've been i'm sorry it's like you

00:55:18 ◼   ► know no more netflix and chill for me

00:55:20 ◼   ► mhm but so I do remember a day those

00:55:23 ◼   ► halcyon days when when

00:55:27 ◼   ► yeah you could scroll through days and

00:55:29 ◼   ► days but you were about to say something

00:55:30 ◼   ► about that will not know I feel I feel I

00:55:32 ◼   ► can you know show you something

00:55:34 ◼   ► oh you like you're rubbing in here well

00:55:36 ◼   ► you know i just want to mention is that

00:55:37 ◼   ► somebody told me this factoid which is

00:55:40 ◼   ► an interesting empirically interesting

00:55:41 ◼   ► factoid but I'm finding it immensely

00:55:43 ◼   ► interesting I kind of can't stop

00:55:44 ◼   ► thinking about it i was saying that

00:55:46 ◼   ► somebody how am I i was introduced this

00:55:49 ◼   ► guy english comedian as it called Stuart

00:55:52 ◼   ► Lee and certainly is a has in the past

00:55:56 ◼   ► like two months become like my I'm

00:55:59 ◼   ► obsessed with this guy i just i want i

00:56:00 ◼   ► want to see everything this guy's ever

00:56:02 ◼   ► done and it all started with turning on

00:56:04 ◼   ► the netflix and I flip pass this thing

00:56:07 ◼   ► I've never seen and never heard of it

00:56:08 ◼   ► says stuart least comedy vehicle and you

00:56:10 ◼   ► know a little stars stars work right

00:56:12 ◼   ► ya got the red stars you know what

00:56:13 ◼   ► she'll it's nice to see three stars for

00:56:15 ◼   ► starting this is really good

00:56:17 ◼   ► this thing is just a sliver shy of five

00:56:20 ◼   ► stars like wow it's it's a you know this

00:56:23 ◼   ► sounds like the kind of thing I would

00:56:24 ◼   ► like if the average rating for this is

00:56:26 ◼   ► just under our stars I should watch this

00:56:29 ◼   ► yeah and I didn't I loved it and then I

00:56:31 ◼   ► don't know this is true and I'm sure

00:56:32 ◼   ► I'll hear about it now I'm reliably

00:56:34 ◼   ► informed that that is

00:56:36 ◼   ► their estimation of now you would give

00:56:39 ◼   ► it all right the algorithm knows you

00:56:41 ◼   ► know that sounds pretty straightforward

00:56:43 ◼   ► and maybe it is but for some reason I

00:56:45 ◼   ► kind of can't stop thinking about it

00:56:46 ◼   ► right because it's infinitely

00:56:48 ◼   ► fascinating to me like how they're

00:56:50 ◼   ► guessing and like so then i raided and

00:56:52 ◼   ► that's going to change future things but

00:56:54 ◼   ► they don't tell you that it doesn't say

00:56:55 ◼   ► you know it used to be back in the day

00:56:58 ◼   ► even back in the DVD days it would say

00:57:00 ◼   ► like okay four stars or like when they

00:57:02 ◼   ► say that we hear stuff we think you'll

00:57:04 ◼   ► like it would even show you what they

00:57:05 ◼   ► think you would read it but I don't know

00:57:07 ◼   ► what the if it is true that the change

00:57:09 ◼   ► that over the very interesting

00:57:11 ◼   ► technology somebody is watching you

00:57:13 ◼   ► learn a duty and you get no privacy sue

00:57:16 ◼   ► em well this is the thing there is

00:57:20 ◼   ► we've talked about this before but it's

00:57:22 ◼   ► becoming more and more to all the time

00:57:23 ◼   ► there is no empirical truth anymore

00:57:25 ◼   ► Merlin there are right there are no

00:57:27 ◼   ► 4-stars they told us in the eighties

00:57:29 ◼   ► they just didn't have a proof for it

00:57:30 ◼   ► there's no empirical truth there is only

00:57:32 ◼   ► conditional subjective truth and so

00:57:35 ◼   ► there four stars doesn't exist there's

00:57:38 ◼   ► only now four stars for you and I think

00:57:42 ◼   ► Yelp is the last place where four stars

00:57:45 ◼   ► yelp and pitchfork are the last place

00:57:47 ◼   ► where four stars are are still like some

00:57:50 ◼   ► kind of I guess Yelp is four stars that

00:57:52 ◼   ► are collected from from 10,000 people

00:57:56 ◼   ► that you would not like to be stuck on

00:57:58 ◼   ► an elevator with and pitchfork is still

00:58:01 ◼   ► some dumb kids in a room telling you

00:58:03 ◼   ► what things are good but everything else

00:58:06 ◼   ► works i don't know i don't read too much

00:58:07 ◼   ► anymore bit around the time of the

00:58:08 ◼   ► Travis Morrison debacle it really

00:58:11 ◼   ► started to feel like it's somebody who

00:58:12 ◼   ► really wants to impress their older

00:58:13 ◼   ► brother

00:58:14 ◼   ► yeah even though they didn't really

00:58:15 ◼   ► listen to the album i had a travis

00:58:17 ◼   ► moore's in conversation the other day

00:58:18 ◼   ► thousands heartbreak

00:58:19 ◼   ► well it was but will that still sticks

00:58:21 ◼   ► in the crop there in seattle doesn't

00:58:23 ◼   ► well yeah but now I feel like Travis

00:58:26 ◼   ► Morrison's Travis Stan record the famous

00:58:29 ◼   ► 0.0 from pitchfork is becoming a thing

00:58:33 ◼   ► like where were you when Kennedy was

00:58:34 ◼   ► killed among a certain group of

00:58:38 ◼   ► people who followed in Iraq religiously

00:58:40 ◼   ► and and so that it's it's it's a thing

00:58:44 ◼   ► where like how how many people were at

00:58:47 ◼   ► the velvet underground concert in 1966

00:58:51 ◼   ► not very many people but then over the

00:58:53 ◼   ► years the people that claim to have been

00:58:56 ◼   ► there

00:58:56 ◼   ► yeah grow and grow until it it would

00:58:59 ◼   ► have been a little bit of 50,000 person

00:59:01 ◼   ► concert and I think only thousand people

00:59:03 ◼   ► have about the first album but they all

00:59:05 ◼   ► miss Chloe O'Brian know that's right

00:59:07 ◼   ► exactly that's exactly what i was trying

00:59:09 ◼   ► to say buddy the velvet underground is

00:59:12 ◼   ► gonna make the nineteen sixties look

00:59:15 ◼   ► like the nineteen-thirties well that's

00:59:17 ◼   ► right that's except the

00:59:18 ◼   ► nineteen-thirties are going to make the

00:59:20 ◼   ► velvet underground look likes stan

00:59:23 ◼   ► kenton so in the sense in the sense of

00:59:28 ◼   ► the pitchfork angle with Travis Morrison

00:59:30 ◼   ► angle it's become more and more now I'm

00:59:33 ◼   ► meeting stranger

00:59:35 ◼   ► this is the thing women when Travis tan

00:59:36 ◼   ► came out the number of people that were

00:59:39 ◼   ► directly affected by that rating started

00:59:43 ◼   ► at Travis himself emanated out to the

00:59:46 ◼   ► National to his label mates right we're

00:59:49 ◼   ► putting out that album and counting on

00:59:51 ◼   ► it to to be transformative and then to

00:59:54 ◼   ► all the fans of the dismemberment plan

00:59:57 ◼   ► and all of the you know the larger

00:59:59 ◼   ► circle of

00:59:59 ◼   ► circle of

01:00:00 ◼   ► people who were you actually bought and

01:00:03 ◼   ► listened to that record what when where

01:00:04 ◼   ► and what travis moore's and

01:00:05 ◼   ► dismemberment plan were like one of

01:00:07 ◼   ► those rare bands where like they were

01:00:10 ◼   ► really good and they were critically

01:00:13 ◼   ► acclaimed whatever and everybody liked

01:00:15 ◼   ► them and people seem pretty cool that he

01:00:17 ◼   ► was one of those like it was one of

01:00:18 ◼   ► those like I don't know like Grand Slam

01:00:22 ◼   ► kind of things and when that came along

01:00:23 ◼   ► it was like in New York 911 the drummer

01:00:25 ◼   ► war fingerless gloves there were a lot

01:00:27 ◼   ► of things about them that stood out

01:00:28 ◼   ► anywhere dance people at Dancing the

01:00:31 ◼   ► shows they play dance music dance their

01:00:34 ◼   ► shells were so crazy but now I'm meeting

01:00:37 ◼   ► people in airports that are using Travis

01:00:41 ◼   ► tan as their calling card like oh you

01:00:45 ◼   ► know

01:00:46 ◼   ► hey nice to meet you like this though

01:00:48 ◼   ► they'll be talking to me right and

01:00:49 ◼   ► they're like I know who you are you're

01:00:52 ◼   ► John Roderick and Travis tan am i right

01:00:58 ◼   ► and then I'll be like what are we

01:00:59 ◼   ► talking about and they're like you know

01:01:00 ◼   ► Travis tan like I'm on your side I'm on

01:01:04 ◼   ► your team because i also thought that

01:01:08 ◼   ► that was a tragedy and it's like whoa

01:01:11 ◼   ► I'm having this conversation more and

01:01:13 ◼   ► more often now and I feel like I feel

01:01:17 ◼   ► like it is becoming emblematic of a time

01:01:20 ◼   ► of a moment where the critics who

01:01:25 ◼   ► formerly were our friends are now our

01:01:27 ◼   ► enemies and and locating us in a time

01:01:33 ◼   ► and space 9 2006 or whatever like it's

01:01:37 ◼   ► it's it's becoming the it's becoming the

01:01:40 ◼   ► velvet underground of our time

01:01:41 ◼   ► Wow Travis stan is the indie rock record

01:01:44 ◼   ► that is going to make the sixties look

01:01:46 ◼   ► like the 20 so I so I don't know what to

01:01:50 ◼   ► make of that right arms but but you

01:01:54 ◼   ► cannot you cannot pick your cultural

01:01:56 ◼   ► markers in real time it only happens I

01:02:00 ◼   ► think retro actively there are a lot of

01:02:03 ◼   ► things where you thought oh this is the

01:02:06 ◼   ► thing that's going to be remembered

01:02:07 ◼   ► right this is the rilo kiley album

01:02:09 ◼   ► that's gonna that's the temple that's

01:02:10 ◼   ► holding up this whole era

01:02:12 ◼   ► yeah then it turns out know it's the

01:02:14 ◼   ► it's travis stands the temple so huh

01:02:18 ◼   ► don't put that in your pipe and smoke it

01:02:20 ◼   ► well I think about that your baby put on

01:02:22 ◼   ► your paper due on you do for you forgive

01:02:25 ◼   ► him for your chili Travis you know

01:02:28 ◼   ► Travis is a magical creature that he had

01:02:31 ◼   ► a lot of your chili right he just didn't

01:02:32 ◼   ► answer his bandmates oh right got the

01:02:35 ◼   ► big cats eating some chili yeah and I

01:02:36 ◼   ► think what I think the Travis's magical

01:02:39 ◼   ► feature was that he came in and he was

01:02:40 ◼   ► like you know to to my bandmates we are

01:02:45 ◼   ► here in the land of plenty go ahead and

01:02:46 ◼   ► forage for food once again give us the

01:02:53 ◼   ► oil do not become addicted to can chill

01:02:56 ◼   ► and so the so and then he just traipse

01:03:01 ◼   ► off into the garden t dandelions or

01:03:03 ◼   ► whatever it was that he was doing it was

01:03:05 ◼   ► that my protest was that these bandmates

01:03:07 ◼   ► who had never acknowledged right they

01:03:10 ◼   ► had never even nodded at me or looked at

01:03:12 ◼   ► me now suddenly we're going through my

01:03:15 ◼   ► cupboards and like look I found a can of

01:03:16 ◼   ► of the of sliced pineapple and I'm like

01:03:20 ◼   ► hold on you gotta do you know I'm here

01:03:23 ◼   ► right yeah you at least say hi to me as

01:03:25 ◼   ► you want as you troop into my house

01:03:27 ◼   ► before you're going through my like in

01:03:30 ◼   ► my office

01:03:31 ◼   ► Merlin there is a space there's a space

01:03:33 ◼   ► in my office

01:03:34 ◼   ► don't so there's a guy on my floor that

01:03:37 ◼   ► had a big photo studio and you know and

01:03:41 ◼   ► then legitimately making making some

01:03:44 ◼   ► form of art even if its commercial

01:03:45 ◼   ► photography right he's using it as an

01:03:47 ◼   ► artistic space and then at a certain

01:03:49 ◼   ► point he got the Entrepreneurship bug

01:03:51 ◼   ► and he decided that he was going to

01:03:54 ◼   ► expand his operation to making herbal

01:03:56 ◼   ► teas

01:03:57 ◼   ► hmm and there's a space on our floor

01:04:00 ◼   ► that was available and this guy had a

01:04:02 ◼   ► very large Basin he obviously was

01:04:03 ◼   ► well-funded either by his by the the

01:04:06 ◼   ► profits of his own output or maybe he

01:04:09 ◼   ► was funded offshore maybe some angel

01:04:11 ◼   ► investors or some venture capitalists

01:04:14 ◼   ► said or his parents had funded his

01:04:16 ◼   ► operation but so he took over one of

01:04:18 ◼   ► these spaces and started making herbal

01:04:20 ◼   ► teas there

01:04:21 ◼   ► wow so all of a sudden on the floor of

01:04:24 ◼   ► the place where everyone

01:04:26 ◼   ► else is working in caustics there is

01:04:28 ◼   ► this constant sort of sickly sweet smell

01:04:31 ◼   ► of teas being manufactured and I don't

01:04:35 ◼   ► know how that's all going down but but

01:04:37 ◼   ► then not only are they

01:04:40 ◼   ► exporting these dry tease but they are

01:04:44 ◼   ► making wet t in there and putting them

01:04:47 ◼   ► in giant t canvas this is up to code

01:04:51 ◼   ► I don't know i don't think you can be in

01:04:53 ◼   ► a building full of podcasting and

01:04:54 ◼   ► caustics and start making herbal teas I

01:04:56 ◼   ► don't want to be didactic but I don't

01:04:58 ◼   ► think that's that's not cool

01:04:59 ◼   ► no it's not i don't think it is it

01:05:01 ◼   ► doesn't seem hygienic well or whatever I

01:05:03 ◼   ► mean there's a lot of things about this

01:05:05 ◼   ► story I'm about to tell that don't seem

01:05:07 ◼   ► hygienic but they are there they're

01:05:09 ◼   ► taking these giant sort of

01:05:11 ◼   ► torpedo-shaped canisters of wet t and

01:05:17 ◼   ► they're slapping them down the elevator

01:05:20 ◼   ► into i kid you not a former google bus

01:05:24 ◼   ► like they have three vehicles they have

01:05:26 ◼   ► a former google bus they have a fedex

01:05:29 ◼   ► truck where they've stripped all the

01:05:31 ◼   ► they stripped all the riding off of you

01:05:34 ◼   ► can still see the shadow and then they

01:05:36 ◼   ► have like a they have a commuter bus

01:05:38 ◼   ► like an airport commuter bus and they're

01:05:40 ◼   ► filling these things up with these teas

01:05:42 ◼   ► and these buses are taking a look at

01:05:44 ◼   ► parking spots fill them up with these

01:05:46 ◼   ► teas and off they go

01:05:48 ◼   ► I don't know why don't know who buys who

01:05:50 ◼   ► has a party where they're like let's get

01:05:52 ◼   ► three or four canisters of wet p in here

01:05:54 ◼   ► uh-huh that are different her ballot

01:05:56 ◼   ► ease and it's like I don't know what

01:05:59 ◼   ► this business is but any uh anyway all

01:06:01 ◼   ► of a sudden the is like it and like

01:06:03 ◼   ► let's say it sits on the one hand it

01:06:05 ◼   ► does seem kinda like a front but that's

01:06:06 ◼   ► a lot of work for a front they must have

01:06:08 ◼   ► somebody who was sweaty somebody's out

01:06:11 ◼   ► there drinking wet team and we got a

01:06:12 ◼   ► live one

01:06:13 ◼   ► yeah it might be all these places that

01:06:15 ◼   ► are that have like fruit loops in a

01:06:16 ◼   ► giant hopper and then also wet tease em

01:06:20 ◼   ► but so this place then started to employ

01:06:24 ◼   ► people because they're doing a booming

01:06:27 ◼   ► business here and so they're hiring

01:06:30 ◼   ► people now these are this is the next

01:06:32 ◼   ► level the next next layer of people that

01:06:37 ◼   ► are in and out of my art building

01:06:39 ◼   ► these are not artists or if they are

01:06:42 ◼   ► artists they call themselves t artists

01:06:44 ◼   ► but they are just people working at the

01:06:48 ◼   ► tea plant and they are universally in

01:06:55 ◼   ► their twenties they have their thin

01:06:59 ◼   ► people and they have man buns my god so

01:07:04 ◼   ► there's five or six guys with man buns

01:07:07 ◼   ► all of a sudden shrimping t in this

01:07:10 ◼   ► place and to the man they do not look at

01:07:14 ◼   ► you when they pass you in the hall

01:07:16 ◼   ► oh that's weird yeah yeah this sounds

01:07:20 ◼   ► like what it sounds like Hydra or

01:07:23 ◼   ► something it's like it's kinda like

01:07:24 ◼   ► hipster Hydra there's something very

01:07:26 ◼   ► very uncool about ya know that doesn't

01:07:28 ◼   ► seem right

01:07:29 ◼   ► this is a building this is what happened

01:07:31 ◼   ► to saying to get whatever happened to

01:07:32 ◼   ► the nod nod

01:07:34 ◼   ► whatever happened to the not on the same

01:07:35 ◼   ► you gotta sit I don't like talking to

01:07:36 ◼   ► people and whatever whatever happens

01:07:38 ◼   ► just acknowledging I don't think I'm a

01:07:40 ◼   ► big acknowledge her i believe in

01:07:42 ◼   ► acknowledging got to acknowledge its a

01:07:44 ◼   ► millisecond of eye contact not enough to

01:07:46 ◼   ► communicate anything except hello ICU

01:07:48 ◼   ► and then not froze cops man buns

01:07:51 ◼   ► whatever it is come on people give me

01:07:53 ◼   ► the nod got to get the knot and this

01:07:55 ◼   ► building is characterized by long long

01:07:57 ◼   ► hallways right so you come out of the

01:07:59 ◼   ► bathroom

01:07:59 ◼   ► no that's my nightmare walking down this

01:08:01 ◼   ► long hallway and here comes a man button

01:08:04 ◼   ► pushing a fucking cart full of wet t and

01:08:07 ◼   ► here and i'm looking at the entire time

01:08:09 ◼   ► like you acknowledge me son of a bitch

01:08:12 ◼   ► and so I've started as they're walking

01:08:14 ◼   ► as they as they get right next to me is

01:08:16 ◼   ► really thin guys with man buns

01:08:19 ◼   ► I'm like Hello and you know like not so

01:08:24 ◼   ► loud that it's super aggressive like not

01:08:26 ◼   ► hello like Hello it but but with no

01:08:30 ◼   ► advance warning just like right when

01:08:33 ◼   ► they are one foot from it's happened

01:08:35 ◼   ► enough that that's a reference it refers

01:08:38 ◼   ► to how they don't do it yeah I'm fucking

01:08:39 ◼   ► mad at them now i'm at the whole

01:08:41 ◼   ► operating mine is im- great thanks how

01:08:43 ◼   ► are you

01:08:44 ◼   ► haha right right exactly and i'm one

01:08:49 ◼   ► step from that like you know nice of you

01:08:52 ◼   ► to ask

01:08:53 ◼   ► and so so i'm i'm pouring a ton of bad

01:09:00 ◼   ► vibes into this tea room hoping that it

01:09:02 ◼   ► goes into the tea and then swapping wet

01:09:06 ◼   ► t out there and it's pull a bad vibes

01:09:08 ◼   ► like a Latin American movie we're

01:09:10 ◼   ► cooking cooking makes things explode

01:09:11 ◼   ► right on time movies at the movies were

01:09:14 ◼   ► like depending on how who she's mad

01:09:16 ◼   ► so the food's gonna make everybody we're

01:09:17 ◼   ► here now everybody would have

01:09:18 ◼   ► intercourse because she made tortillas

01:09:20 ◼   ► like you're gonna send this bad vibes

01:09:21 ◼   ► into the wet t this is like a losa

01:09:24 ◼   ► marrows perros yeah sure your that's

01:09:26 ◼   ► that's dogs little dogs in love with

01:09:28 ◼   ► always love except the one dog kills all

01:09:30 ◼   ► the talks

01:09:31 ◼   ► Oh boiler no es bueno

01:09:34 ◼   ► but anyway yeah right the tortillas are

01:09:36 ◼   ► full of it makes everybody have sex and

01:09:38 ◼   ► then there's a hundred years of solitude

01:09:40 ◼   ► yeah that'd be nice this is a situation

01:09:42 ◼   ► where I'm filling this tea with as much

01:09:44 ◼   ► bad vibe as i can so good so that the

01:09:46 ◼   ► people out there with the the fruit loop

01:09:48 ◼   ► poppers are like oh man I'm not ordering

01:09:50 ◼   ► this T anymore it's full of bad vibes

01:09:53 ◼   ► and then the business collapses and the

01:09:54 ◼   ► guy has to go back to making photography

01:09:56 ◼   ► for a living and all these man buns are

01:09:59 ◼   ► then like spurted out into the world

01:10:01 ◼   ► like spores to create their bad vibes

01:10:04 ◼   ► they're like shitty no nod culture they

01:10:08 ◼   ► can take that into the streets and see

01:10:09 ◼   ► how well it works right

01:10:12 ◼   ► yeah now I know I likely put the shit

01:10:14 ◼   ► you knot culture that is a shitty known

01:10:16 ◼   ► on culture

01:10:17 ◼   ► yeah if you have a node culture then

01:10:19 ◼   ► like take it back to the farm or

01:10:21 ◼   ► whatever don't you know like if you're

01:10:23 ◼   ► always like it's not like you're like a

01:10:25 ◼   ► Mexican drug lord you know what I mean

01:10:27 ◼   ► you won't you fucking with the u-dub

01:10:29 ◼   ► relax

01:10:30 ◼   ► yeah where you didn't even get into u

01:10:31 ◼   ► dub no no these are people that are that

01:10:34 ◼   ► are used to being out in a place where

01:10:35 ◼   ► you I guess you don't not at the county

01:10:37 ◼   ► line behind the community making college

01:10:39 ◼   ► and I don't they're not even vapors

01:10:41 ◼   ► because they seem by the thinnest some

01:10:43 ◼   ► fields by their work in the tea

01:10:45 ◼   ► community that's exactly what I think I

01:10:47 ◼   ► think there are vegans and I think you

01:10:49 ◼   ► know that thing is the man bun the man

01:10:52 ◼   ► bun it arrived we all mocked it

01:10:54 ◼   ► mercilessly and then it persisted and

01:10:58 ◼   ► then there was that there was that

01:10:59 ◼   ► moment where everybody was like well you

01:11:01 ◼   ► know there was that there was the

01:11:02 ◼   ► blowback where people like stop mocking

01:11:04 ◼   ► man but as we get it we get it all right

01:11:06 ◼   ► for now maybe you know and that an

01:11:09 ◼   ► attempt to make man buns as the two to

01:11:12 ◼   ► make them serious uh-huh just they have

01:11:15 ◼   ► they persisted they've they have they've

01:11:17 ◼   ► lasted through our scorn and so now

01:11:20 ◼   ► we're meant to would never meant to be

01:11:23 ◼   ► like okay I guess you know I guess I'm

01:11:26 ◼   ► the dummy for mocking somebody else's

01:11:28 ◼   ► style I guess I'm I'm guess I'm the one

01:11:31 ◼   ► that's not a little monster

01:11:32 ◼   ► yeah I'm not one that's not inclusive

01:11:34 ◼   ► enough but in reality no they are still

01:11:37 ◼   ► dumb and marketable they are you know

01:11:40 ◼   ► like a like I said the other day there

01:11:42 ◼   ► are too many top knots and not enough

01:11:43 ◼   ► samurai mm you know you you cannot just

01:11:47 ◼   ► fucking where topknot it is cultural

01:11:50 ◼   ► appropriation black something which is

01:11:53 ◼   ► samurai oh I like the way you took that

01:11:55 ◼   ► one that's good you know what I mean

01:11:56 ◼   ► like yeah one that's insensitive you are

01:11:58 ◼   ► insensitive to samurai yeah so fuck you

01:12:01 ◼   ► with your topknot it's no good and if

01:12:03 ◼   ► topknot is symbolic of no not culture

01:12:06 ◼   ► then I say burned all the ground right

01:12:09 ◼   ► you can't you're not going to be in my

01:12:11 ◼   ► art space where I was formerly making an

01:12:14 ◼   ► encaustic podcast it doesn't cost

01:12:16 ◼   ► anything it doesn't cost anything to not

01:12:17 ◼   ► to nod and i don't understand i do not

01:12:20 ◼   ► get and this is the big this is that

01:12:23 ◼   ► what I feel like is a component of the

01:12:25 ◼   ► shove the shyness arms race but this is

01:12:31 ◼   ► include things like the medium post on

01:12:33 ◼   ► how to handle the introvert in your life

01:12:35 ◼   ► yeah that stuff where it's like oh no

01:12:37 ◼   ► you're not you're not an introvert I'm

01:12:40 ◼   ► an intron see you guys

01:12:42 ◼   ► yeah I'm so shy that I can't exist in

01:12:45 ◼   ► the world and that is a that is like not

01:12:48 ◼   ► a handicap it's a handy capable and

01:12:50 ◼   ► you're not allowed to scorn me for a

01:12:53 ◼   ► because nodding at you take so much of

01:12:56 ◼   ► my life force that I collapse into a

01:12:59 ◼   ► sobbing heap

01:13:00 ◼   ► yeah so now you have to live in a world

01:13:02 ◼   ► where people don't nod and smile at you

01:13:04 ◼   ► a common courtesy a basic human

01:13:07 ◼   ► interaction

01:13:08 ◼   ► because it impedes my ability to be as

01:13:10 ◼   ► shy as I think I am I mean you need to

01:13:12 ◼   ► get back and you need to walk in there

01:13:14 ◼   ► and you say look what exactly the fuck

01:13:15 ◼   ► is going on here

01:13:17 ◼   ► yeah you go into the white tea house and

01:13:19 ◼   ► just sit and just sparked the man buns

01:13:21 ◼   ► and get in there and see who's in charge

01:13:22 ◼   ► of this joint and what exactly the fuck

01:13:24 ◼   ► is going on here

01:13:25 ◼   ► ok so here's what happened last week

01:13:27 ◼   ► sitting in my podcast space i'm getting

01:13:31 ◼   ► ready to record some vocals on this

01:13:33 ◼   ► these vocal tracks that i'm working on

01:13:36 ◼   ► which is a whole separate conversation

01:13:38 ◼   ► and this is my private my normal private

01:13:42 ◼   ► time in the art studio right all the

01:13:44 ◼   ► people that are there during the day go

01:13:45 ◼   ► home and then the only people that are

01:13:48 ◼   ► there at night are people working in

01:13:49 ◼   ► within the encaustic arts and so I can

01:13:53 ◼   ► sing in my little wing and there's

01:13:56 ◼   ► nobody else they're not no you're not

01:13:58 ◼   ► bothering anyone

01:14:00 ◼   ► and nobody's randomness is getting on

01:14:01 ◼   ► your track that's right that's right

01:14:03 ◼   ► there's nobody over there using a power

01:14:04 ◼   ► tool and more importantly I'm not

01:14:07 ◼   ► bothering anybody

01:14:08 ◼   ► if you come into the the space at 9pm

01:14:11 ◼   ► and you hear somebody singing you

01:14:14 ◼   ► recognize that you are the one who is

01:14:16 ◼   ► arriving late you are the interloper

01:14:18 ◼   ► someone's they're making music and

01:14:20 ◼   ► that's their right whereas if I'm

01:14:23 ◼   ► singing it two o'clock in the afternoon

01:14:24 ◼   ► and you're sitting at your computer

01:14:25 ◼   ► doing graphic arts you are you

01:14:28 ◼   ► it's within your rights to come over and

01:14:30 ◼   ► knock on the door and say seriously what

01:14:31 ◼   ► are you doing

01:14:32 ◼   ► who but so I'm in there I'm getting

01:14:34 ◼   ► ready to lay down some vocal tracks and

01:14:36 ◼   ► then all of a sudden I hear a band

01:14:39 ◼   ► practicing here and this space is very

01:14:42 ◼   ► much like no band practice

01:14:45 ◼   ► I i use myspace to make music but it is

01:14:49 ◼   ► not a band practice it isn't under John

01:14:51 ◼   ► as at the terms of being there it's not

01:14:54 ◼   ► this is not like a storage shed type

01:14:56 ◼   ► situation that's one of the things they

01:14:58 ◼   ► say right when you walk in like no band

01:15:00 ◼   ► practice can and so what I'm what i

01:15:02 ◼   ► realize is i get i I go down the hall

01:15:06 ◼   ► put my ear to the door

01:15:09 ◼   ► and I realized that this is a situation

01:15:12 ◼   ► where the man buns have now colonized

01:15:16 ◼   ► the space with enmity operation where

01:15:20 ◼   ► they have no connection to any of the

01:15:22 ◼   ► art people there they are now there to

01:15:25 ◼   ► there are two layers of being attendant

01:15:28 ◼   ► away from ever having spoken to anybody

01:15:31 ◼   ► involved in the building

01:15:33 ◼   ► uh-huh someone at the T joint has said

01:15:36 ◼   ► either yes you can

01:15:38 ◼   ► band practice here or what I really

01:15:40 ◼   ► suspect is one of the man buns has a key

01:15:42 ◼   ► and he's like you know what there's

01:15:44 ◼   ► nobody in there's nobody down there

01:15:45 ◼   ► after nine just off able to scan

01:15:48 ◼   ► operation that's right huh

01:15:50 ◼   ► and so I'm not somebody who's going to

01:15:53 ◼   ► pound on the door during band practice

01:15:54 ◼   ► even if it's one that I am pouring scorn

01:15:58 ◼   ► through the door is what kind of music I

01:16:01 ◼   ► know it's not relevant necessarily but

01:16:03 ◼   ► guess what kind of music the plan it

01:16:05 ◼   ► just it felt like there was a person in

01:16:07 ◼   ► there they could actually play the

01:16:08 ◼   ► guitar i was in which Annie or like

01:16:10 ◼   ► trans am like 11

01:16:11 ◼   ► no no it actually kind of felt like Adam

01:16:14 ◼   ► amalgam of of of some sort of you know

01:16:18 ◼   ► hardrock plus a Lumineers style stomp

01:16:23 ◼   ► bulk oh you know it's one of these

01:16:25 ◼   ► things where that nobody has any nobody

01:16:27 ◼   ► has any jumping-off point so it's just a

01:16:29 ◼   ► mission like this modern songs where

01:16:31 ◼   ► everyone kind of does a charity thing on

01:16:33 ◼   ► it

01:16:33 ◼   ► yeah they'll say Oh kind of thing

01:16:36 ◼   ► yeah hey hey oh well bloomin years okay

01:16:40 ◼   ► i was thinking something else

01:16:42 ◼   ► it's all it's all like a post Mumford

01:16:46 ◼   ► music no dear right that's you Mumford &

01:16:48 ◼   ► post Mumford yeah and i think really it

01:16:50 ◼   ► was that it was that bad from canada

01:16:52 ◼   ► from Montreal that started it all

01:16:54 ◼   ► the one that dealt that the that to

01:16:57 ◼   ► David Byrne and David Bowie all the

01:16:59 ◼   ► David's old jobs Empire weekend know

01:17:03 ◼   ► that they came after then they have

01:17:06 ◼   ► different not really not really but it's

01:17:08 ◼   ► sick but the one from the 144 montreal

01:17:12 ◼   ► where they were waving flags on stage

01:17:14 ◼   ► and somebody had a typewriter and no

01:17:17 ◼   ► no young guy knows i know you mean the I

01:17:19 ◼   ► know you mean the yeah we can play drums

01:17:22 ◼   ► on their heads

01:17:23 ◼   ► yeah and somebody's got a horn somebody

01:17:25 ◼   ► else's horn arcade fire arcade fire