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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 206: "The OG Haoles"

 

00:00:00   [Music] [TS]

00:00:04   LOL hi John [TS]

00:00:08   I'm Merlin how's it going so good so [TS]

00:00:12   SuperDuper super mm-hmm a different day [TS]

00:00:19   different time [TS]

00:00:20   yeah right it's not it's not too early [TS]

00:00:24   it's not to monday [TS]

00:00:26   oh it is just what it is I'm always [TS]

00:00:28   ready for you is that right huh [TS]

00:00:31   that can't be true I'm treating myself [TS]

00:00:32   today to add this new thing i'm doing [TS]

00:00:35   called the taste of my youth when I go [TS]

00:00:37   and I revisit case of my youth so right [TS]

00:00:39   now I'm having a a 6 ounce can of dole [TS]

00:00:44   pineapple orange juice [TS]

00:00:46   mmm god is good all from concentrate [TS]

00:00:51   yeah right no comes in a can see no it's [TS]

00:00:54   healthy [TS]

00:00:55   is that something that you you actually [TS]

00:00:57   had as as you this time [TS]

00:01:00   this is the my Madeline mighty is a in [TS]

00:01:03   gym class in tenth grade we had a drink [TS]

00:01:07   dispenser you know i got like a pop [TS]

00:01:09   machine but it dispensed juice and there [TS]

00:01:12   was this brain was called Bluebird [TS]

00:01:14   Bluebird orange juice which I've never [TS]

00:01:16   heard of anywhere else and was orange [TS]

00:01:19   juice that mostly tastes like pineapple [TS]

00:01:20   and I always enjoyed it but I think when [TS]

00:01:23   you get the concentrate [TS]

00:01:24   you know you get a lot of get a [TS]

00:01:25   pineapple aspect to it well that's the [TS]

00:01:26   thing what is a pineapple concentrated [TS]

00:01:28   orange oh my god [TS]

00:01:30   move move move I never thought of it [TS]

00:01:33   that way [TS]

00:01:33   yeah sure you take a bunch of orange [TS]

00:01:35   well this is what God did ya oranges was [TS]

00:01:38   the fourth day third day and scrunched [TS]

00:01:40   it scrunch it into an armadillo he's [TS]

00:01:43   goes it goes into the pineapple yeah and [TS]

00:01:45   then took a cactus and stuck it in the [TS]

00:01:47   armadillos but I learned so much from [TS]

00:01:48   you every week [TS]

00:01:49   yeah well that's the thing about science [TS]

00:01:50   me mhm [TS]

00:01:52   you know you don't die encounter [TS]

00:01:54   pineapples like you used to [TS]

00:01:55   I think pineapples like like people & [TS]

00:01:58   gorilla suits quicksand I think it might [TS]

00:01:59   be a thing with the seventies [TS]

00:02:00   well you know in the seventies I spent a [TS]

00:02:02   lot of time in hawaii as we've talked [TS]

00:02:04   about probably either many times or [TS]

00:02:06   Never and in hawaii in the seventies [TS]

00:02:12   there were pineapple fields as far as [TS]

00:02:15   the eye could see [TS]

00:02:16   fields forever it was by him fields [TS]

00:02:18   forever living was easy with eyes closed [TS]

00:02:22   and it was like one of the great things [TS]

00:02:26   about going to Hawaii it was sugar cane [TS]

00:02:28   and pineapples this kind of this i mean [TS]

00:02:31   their plantations but but it's a big [TS]

00:02:35   part of the culture there and all of [TS]

00:02:37   that stuff is gone now you go to Y in [TS]

00:02:39   there no there's no sugarcane there are [TS]

00:02:42   no pineapples really really because it's [TS]

00:02:45   just so much cheaper to grow that stuff [TS]

00:02:47   elsewhere you know in China or well I [TS]

00:02:50   don't think they grow pineapples and a [TS]

00:02:51   well they will but not getting enough [TS]

00:02:54   they found you know dole pineapple [TS]

00:02:57   conglomerate inc gbh who found enormous [TS]

00:03:05   places in Central and South America i [TS]

00:03:07   think in Africa probably where they just [TS]

00:03:09   set out what we'll just we'll grow [TS]

00:03:11   pineapples here and now those a lot of [TS]

00:03:14   those fields and why are either fallow [TS]

00:03:17   or I don't know I don't [TS]

00:03:20   it's kinda weird to go there and not see [TS]

00:03:22   that stuff and I don't even understand [TS]

00:03:26   why they just didn't let the back [TS]

00:03:27   pineapples grow wild although i don't [TS]

00:03:29   know what wild pineapples like this is [TS]

00:03:31   that this is an interesting thing it's a [TS]

00:03:34   digital turns out because for a long [TS]

00:03:36   time we we heard about talked about peak [TS]

00:03:38   oil and we be talking about the idea [TS]

00:03:40   that there would be a point when we [TS]

00:03:43   would reach more than fifty percent of [TS]

00:03:45   the oil that could be gotten from the [TS]

00:03:48   earth and then after that point it would [TS]

00:03:49   become much more cost much more [TS]

00:03:51   expensive which led to a lot of [TS]

00:03:52   interesting discussions I'm just [TS]

00:03:53   basically paraphrasing what's-his-name [TS]

00:03:55   counselor but great look but the idea [TS]

00:03:58   that like this little hustler magazine [TS]

00:04:00   represent our i was injured his legal [TS]

00:04:02   career back on select yeah good old [TS]

00:04:05   counselor Cody look with the glasses on [TS]

00:04:07   the glasses on top of his head and then [TS]

00:04:08   the third pair of glasses yeah the other [TS]

00:04:10   glass that cool hair [TS]

00:04:11   let's go look at but you know if you [TS]

00:04:15   read that stuff which I found very [TS]

00:04:17   absorbing in the 2,000 there's the idea [TS]

00:04:20   that so well setting aside slavery so [TS]

00:04:23   much of what happens in America in the [TS]

00:04:26   last hundred fifty at least years is [TS]

00:04:28   based on [TS]

00:04:29   on incredibly cheap energy that you [TS]

00:04:32   don't mean just the idea that you know [TS]

00:04:33   we could not you cannot have walmart be [TS]

00:04:36   walmart without ships running on you [TS]

00:04:39   know relatively cheap fuel and so must [TS]

00:04:42   have changed [TS]

00:04:43   actually i'm reading a book about [TS]

00:04:44   walmart so i kind of have walmart on the [TS]

00:04:46   brain right now but that's changed now [TS]

00:04:48   walmart has become extremely interested [TS]

00:04:49   in environmental sustainability not [TS]

00:04:51   least because it's cheaper now and but [TS]

00:04:54   but then the fuel prices went down so so [TS]

00:04:56   like like what happens i mean there is [TS]

00:04:58   our economy going to get all wackadoodle [TS]

00:04:59   just continue to be wackadoodle based on [TS]

00:05:01   these kinds of prices of fuel and like [TS]

00:05:03   how could you not get pineapple from a [TS]

00:05:05   way that just seems weird i'm not sure [TS]

00:05:07   if this question here i'm just i'm [TS]

00:05:09   concerned i think that i think that the [TS]

00:05:11   other factors are labor is more [TS]

00:05:13   expensive in Hawaii and there's a lot [TS]

00:05:16   more regulation in Hawaii because it's [TS]

00:05:18   America and you know grand land is more [TS]

00:05:21   expensive and got increasingly more [TS]

00:05:23   expensive and it's just you know when [TS]

00:05:26   you're talking about a multinational [TS]

00:05:27   corporation that's like how do we get [TS]

00:05:29   how do we make 10 million pineapples as [TS]

00:05:33   cheaply as we possibly can and and if [TS]

00:05:37   fuel prices are low and we can fill up a [TS]

00:05:39   exxon valdez for pineapples [TS]

00:05:41   that's my drinking and true when you [TS]

00:05:44   know because it's already expensive to [TS]

00:05:45   get pineapples from Hawaii to anywhere [TS]

00:05:47   yeah it's not that much more expensive [TS]

00:05:49   to get them from nicaragua or you know [TS]

00:05:52   probably from Nigeria I don't know I you [TS]

00:05:55   know I keep throwing these I'm look I [TS]

00:05:56   know I'm looking right now he's on his [TS]

00:05:57   own we're going pineapples room but what [TS]

00:06:00   you need you need water you need hot you [TS]

00:06:03   can have high and you needed any ground [TS]

00:06:06   costa rica costa rica there are [TS]

00:06:08   different beans and then Brazil as of [TS]

00:06:10   2013 costa rica produces 2.7 million [TS]

00:06:14   tons of pineapple a year huh lot of tons [TS]

00:06:19   of pineapple yeah it looks like it is a [TS]

00:06:21   pretty tight race between the [TS]

00:06:22   Philippines Brazil costa rica i found a [TS]

00:06:26   hawaii a I i was i was not a good match [TS]

00:06:30   for a way i like the way that you [TS]

00:06:32   pronounced hawaii hawaii hawaii you know [TS]

00:06:35   we we west coasters for a long time you [TS]

00:06:38   know we just like [TS]

00:06:39   we angle sighs everything why Hawaii why [TS]

00:06:43   but you you put that little extra like [TS]

00:06:46   Hawaii life into the patchouli sounds [TS]

00:06:51   good sounds good [TS]

00:06:52   so you went to hawaii hawaii and did not [TS]

00:06:56   you didn't you didn't bond with it [TS]

00:06:59   well here's the thing first of all I [TS]

00:07:01   think you know this about me sometimes I [TS]

00:07:04   have trouble relaxing [TS]

00:07:05   mhm and slightly separate from that i [TS]

00:07:08   have i sometimes I'm a difficult [TS]

00:07:11   acclimate er I don't always acclimate [TS]

00:07:13   well or quickly like you seem like the [TS]

00:07:15   kind of guy you got a bag you're on a [TS]

00:07:16   plane you go somewhere and like you're [TS]

00:07:17   already part of the culture here you try [TS]

00:07:19   it try but like it takes me awhile to [TS]

00:07:21   get into I've gotten better over the [TS]

00:07:23   years but there was a time when we take [TS]

00:07:25   me like three days to enjoy anything [TS]

00:07:27   that wasn't being at my house [TS]

00:07:28   uh-huh just shake off the like change [TS]

00:07:31   yeah yeah yeah but I mean why else ye [TS]

00:07:34   also i felt very very foreign not least [TS]

00:07:39   because the people of Hawaii um don't [TS]

00:07:44   love people coming there it's not an [TS]

00:07:47   understandable it's not the warmest [TS]

00:07:48   welcome and also I didn't like the food [TS]

00:07:50   i couldn't get with the food i think [TS]

00:07:53   you're either the kind of person it's [TS]

00:07:54   like Scottish food either all about it [TS]

00:07:56   you're like I can't believe this is food [TS]

00:07:58   yeah I couldn't shave ice in the this [TS]

00:08:01   BAM [TS]

00:08:02   I but that's right up your alley oh well [TS]

00:08:05   what's wonderful a about Hawaiian food [TS]

00:08:09   is it really is kind of a like made out [TS]

00:08:14   of the worst elements of like four [TS]

00:08:15   different kinds of food right it's like [TS]

00:08:17   the worst kind of japanese food and the [TS]

00:08:20   worst kind of portuguese food hit the [TS]

00:08:22   worst sort of american food and i love [TS]

00:08:25   it right a pile of rice with breaded [TS]

00:08:29   chicken [TS]

00:08:30   mhm with a fried egg covered in gravy [TS]

00:08:35   no you know what i should give another [TS]

00:08:36   try up where I was just like this is a [TS]

00:08:39   thing and they're like oh yeah it's [TS]

00:08:40   called loco moco I've been that i am [TS]

00:08:44   feeling loco moco mhm but Hawaii doesn't [TS]

00:08:49   feel foreign to me because we went there [TS]

00:08:50   a lot [TS]

00:08:51   what were you why are you going there [TS]

00:08:52   like remind me well because in the [TS]

00:08:54   seventies the forty-ninth and fiftieth [TS]

00:08:58   states had a very special relationship [TS]

00:08:59   because right Alaska entered the united [TS]

00:09:05   states in 1959 and hawaii in 1960 so [TS]

00:09:10   they came in and I don't know in my head [TS]

00:09:12   I always imagined they came in on the [TS]

00:09:13   same time bill know there-there's a [TS]

00:09:16   brief period where there was a where [TS]

00:09:19   they made flags us flags with 49 stars [TS]

00:09:23   I don't think it was for very long and [TS]

00:09:25   it might we might have even been in a [TS]

00:09:27   pit with in 1959 to buy but there was a [TS]

00:09:31   brief period where there were the u.s. [TS]

00:09:33   at 49 states [TS]

00:09:35   I don't you you can double-check this [TS]

00:09:37   but but uh so you know by nineteen [TS]

00:09:43   seventy what both both places had been [TS]

00:09:45   US states for 10 years and it was still [TS]

00:09:49   very new [TS]

00:09:50   it was also very exotic I mean Hawaii [TS]

00:09:53   like do you think about why 50 or the [TS]

00:09:54   Brady Bunch [TS]

00:09:55   it was like us it was from my whole [TS]

00:09:57   childhood that was the idyllic location [TS]

00:10:00   Sherman my mother's entire life she all [TS]

00:10:03   she ever not all she wanted but she [TS]

00:10:05   really wanted to go on a vacation to [TS]

00:10:07   Hawaii it was one of those things like [TS]

00:10:08   that was her dream [TS]

00:10:09   yeah sure you get a vacation to Hawaii [TS]

00:10:12   exactly right it just just the just the [TS]

00:10:15   term has all this all the smell of [TS]

00:10:18   colitas rising up through the air [TS]

00:10:21   I don't think they have colinas there i [TS]

00:10:23   have that I've all sort of colitas yeah [TS]

00:10:25   i know that's that's painful and it's [TS]

00:10:26   information i'm alright thank you thanks [TS]

00:10:28   for thanks for asking but when you think [TS]

00:10:30   about magnum p.i that you know that's [TS]

00:10:33   only 20 years after why I became a state [TS]

00:10:36   well you less than that right so it's [TS]

00:10:38   still very much like new new turf and so [TS]

00:10:42   anyway all by way of saying that the [TS]

00:10:44   alaska airlines and hawaiian airlines [TS]

00:10:48   which were both sort of new ish [TS]

00:10:51   newish carriers that were making a play [TS]

00:10:55   to be bigger than just regional airlines [TS]

00:10:58   they had this like a hundred dollar [TS]

00:11:02   ticket hundred-dollar reciprocal ticket [TS]

00:11:05   Anchorage to Honolulu damn and it was [TS]

00:11:08   that's crazy and this understand now for [TS]

00:11:11   the youngsters for the millenniums my [TS]

00:11:13   name's don't know from travel it used to [TS]

00:11:15   be you were not going to go anywhere for [TS]

00:11:17   less than seven hundred thousand dollars [TS]

00:11:18   he's welfare expensive to fly it was [TS]

00:11:21   ended up in Alaska was you know it's [TS]

00:11:26   such a different animal and it was hard [TS]

00:11:30   to know like what [TS]

00:11:31   because alaska airlines had these things [TS]

00:11:33   a hundred-dollar tickets that were the [TS]

00:11:34   river they had a hundred dollar ticket [TS]

00:11:36   at one point when I graduate from high [TS]

00:11:38   school ask airlines gave every scene [TS]

00:11:40   every graduating senior in Alaska a free [TS]

00:11:44   ticket to anywhere in Alaska chimney and [TS]

00:11:50   so you could use this ticket to go visit [TS]

00:11:52   somewhere like a barrow or Unalakleet or [TS]

00:11:57   something where you would never [TS]

00:11:59   otherwise go right you're not going to [TS]

00:12:01   go to Unalakleet for probably as part of [TS]

00:12:04   your job but if you got a free ticket [TS]

00:12:09   why not go there and so all I left [TS]

00:12:11   Alaska immediately after graduating and [TS]

00:12:13   I didn't come back until after my free [TS]

00:12:16   ticket to anywhere in Alaska had expired [TS]

00:12:19   but all of my friends my high school [TS]

00:12:22   friends all got together and flew to [TS]

00:12:24   Kodiak which is like okay that's not [TS]

00:12:29   exactly the most exotic place to go [TS]

00:12:31   Kodiak you find out where they were they [TS]

00:12:33   make the snuff it [TS]

00:12:34   well you write or find out where they [TS]

00:12:36   use the snow and they went down to [TS]

00:12:39   Kodiak and they already had some big [TS]

00:12:41   hotel room not nice hotel room I mean [TS]

00:12:44   there i don't think there are any nice [TS]

00:12:45   hotel rooms and Cody actually they got [TS]

00:12:47   hotel rooms in some shitty hotel and [TS]

00:12:50   they SAT and drank here you know drink [TS]

00:12:53   like a keystone and inept Keystone then [TS]

00:12:56   it would have been [TS]

00:12:57   it would have been Stroh's Frank Stroh's [TS]

00:13:01   in their old shitty hotel room wall [TS]

00:13:04   trained outside for three days and then [TS]

00:13:06   they flew home and I was like that was a [TS]

00:13:08   waste and they were like yeah it was a [TS]

00:13:10   waste like they should have gone [TS]

00:13:11   it could have gone anywhere you know [TS]

00:13:13   gnome yeah how many times you gonna say [TS]

00:13:16   in your life you want to know I don't [TS]

00:13:18   know I mean maybe maybe two maybe [TS]

00:13:20   yeah 22 plus probably zero but maybe two [TS]

00:13:23   I don't think i'm gonna say seven but we [TS]

00:13:24   went to hawaii all the time because of [TS]

00:13:28   this hundred dollar ticket and it was a [TS]

00:13:29   direct flight Anchorage Honolulu so it's [TS]

00:13:31   just like you didn't even have to go to [TS]

00:13:32   America damn and Hawaiians came to [TS]

00:13:35   Alaska and at the time like a Waikiki [TS]

00:13:38   still had most of the stuff on Waikiki [TS]

00:13:42   was still like grass roof like like you [TS]

00:13:46   know like little little shacks with no [TS]

00:13:50   windows that were bars and they had [TS]

00:13:54   those little Tiki lanterns out front you [TS]

00:13:57   know the streets kind of if you want if [TS]

00:13:59   you want five or six blocks off of [TS]

00:14:02   waikiki you know the streets would kind [TS]

00:14:05   of dirt [TS]

00:14:06   I mean it was very still just like felt [TS]

00:14:10   like a small town they're obviously [TS]

00:14:11   there were no the royal hawaiian was [TS]

00:14:13   there they were that big Hilton was [TS]

00:14:14   there there were some hotels along the [TS]

00:14:18   strip but if you got if you got down the [TS]

00:14:21   road a little ways it was just beer you [TS]

00:14:26   know it was so hawaii and so chill and [TS]

00:14:31   at that point there wasn't that [TS]

00:14:32   hostility to outsiders because it was [TS]

00:14:36   you know outsiders were sort of [TS]

00:14:38   contained you know it was like yeah if [TS]

00:14:40   you came to why you went to hear but you [TS]

00:14:42   didn't go if you we went to my way back [TS]

00:14:45   then and it was now it was nothing [TS]

00:14:47   because all is all if memory serves it [TS]

00:14:49   was always Honolulu and Waikiki and now [TS]

00:14:52   he was like even in the late seventies [TS]

00:14:54   now he was the hidden gem like if you [TS]

00:14:56   really want to go to Hawaii gotta go to [TS]

00:14:57   Malik's nobody threw into yet the [TS]

00:14:59   streets were dirt for most of most of it [TS]

00:15:02   on Maui had little little towns right [TS]

00:15:05   you drive in and it's just a little it's [TS]

00:15:06   like a little town kind of carved [TS]

00:15:08   out of the out of the wild and oh my god [TS]

00:15:13   it felt like a it felt like it was it [TS]

00:15:16   was it was a paradisiacal who and now [TS]

00:15:20   you know me as a constant traffic jam [TS]

00:15:23   it's still incredible don't get me wrong [TS]

00:15:25   but it's a traffic jam [TS]

00:15:26   that's why we went to we went to Kauai [TS]

00:15:28   Hawaii yeah which seems like there's [TS]

00:15:31   like a few outposts around the rim and [TS]

00:15:33   it's been a lot of land [TS]

00:15:36   yeah and I think probably your [TS]

00:15:38   experience of of Native Hawaiians being [TS]

00:15:41   like less than aloha about you don't get [TS]

00:15:45   me wrong now I mean in the same position [TS]

00:15:47   I would feel the same way [TS]

00:15:48   well you know who knows but they but [TS]

00:15:50   they probably now increasingly I mean [TS]

00:15:53   everybody there feels encroached upon [TS]

00:15:55   even the you know even the Howley's that [TS]

00:15:59   have been there 15 years feel like [TS]

00:16:01   they're the OG Holly's and they don't [TS]

00:16:03   want a new Howley's that's just the you [TS]

00:16:06   know that's true very this is true at as [TS]

00:16:09   i sit and think about it [TS]

00:16:10   do I know a person that lives anywhere [TS]

00:16:13   in the world who isn't mad about new [TS]

00:16:15   people coming [TS]

00:16:15   no no decisions have been there for a [TS]

00:16:17   couple nights you're entitled to talk [TS]

00:16:19   about how things are changing [TS]

00:16:20   I'm trying to think I read something the [TS]

00:16:22   other day oh it was an article about New [TS]

00:16:24   Zealand saying that there were all these [TS]

00:16:27   towns in New Zealand that were really [TS]

00:16:31   encouraging people to move there and I [TS]

00:16:34   think that they are like the you know [TS]

00:16:36   the show old sheep farming towns kinda [TS]

00:16:39   like I think I feel like there are towns [TS]

00:16:41   in Nebraska and Kansas that everyone all [TS]

00:16:47   the young people have moved away and i'm [TS]

00:16:49   not entirely sure whether the residents [TS]

00:16:51   of those towns are encouraging people to [TS]

00:16:53   move there as much as they're just [TS]

00:16:54   surrendering their just like taking deep [TS]

00:16:58   breaths of their oxygen machines and [TS]

00:17:00   hoping that the Lord comes soon but in [TS]

00:17:03   right at in New Zealand I feel like a [TS]

00:17:06   lot of i read this whole article about [TS]

00:17:09   like they're in currently actually like [TS]

00:17:12   incentivizing people to move to these [TS]

00:17:15   small towns [TS]

00:17:16   [Music] [TS]

00:17:17   just because because they're losing you [TS]

00:17:21   know and then the end and and the [TS]

00:17:23   pictures of these places they seem [TS]

00:17:24   idyllic but anybody that's read a real [TS]

00:17:27   estate magazine knows that you can you [TS]

00:17:30   can take a pretty good picture of a [TS]

00:17:31   place [TS]

00:17:32   sure but yeah maybe that's the future [TS]

00:17:35   maybe maybe maybe maybe we should move [TS]

00:17:39   to New Zealand in New Zealand flight i [TS]

00:17:44   have used in the New Zealand i'm here to [TS]

00:17:46   tell you it took me uh maybe 48 hours to [TS]

00:17:49   seriously contemplate moving there [TS]

00:17:51   did you did you go as a result of some [TS]

00:17:54   sort of thing where they had some tech [TS]

00:17:55   thing where they wanted you to come talk [TS]

00:17:57   about their inboxes it something I did [TS]

00:18:01   you go did you take all 43 folders there [TS]

00:18:03   so tired attack now I went there for a a [TS]

00:18:10   really cool conference and I did talk [TS]

00:18:14   and I cried onstage and long people [TS]

00:18:15   liked it it's kind of one of my famous [TS]

00:18:17   talks and but I you know you know it's [TS]

00:18:22   hard to tell until you've been somewhere [TS]

00:18:23   two or three times it's hard to really [TS]

00:18:25   make any kind of a saying reckoning of [TS]

00:18:27   what's happening there but there are [TS]

00:18:29   certain things about you you go [TS]

00:18:31   somewhere you get a vibe and the vibe [TS]

00:18:33   there is crazy [TS]

00:18:34   I mean first I mean the one of the [TS]

00:18:36   primary things is that people there are [TS]

00:18:37   unknowingly and ironically friendly and [TS]

00:18:43   kind unknowingly friendly and kind like [TS]

00:18:46   people are nice they're not nice and [TS]

00:18:48   like an annoying way there they are [TS]

00:18:52   neighborly in some ways but not in like [TS]

00:18:55   in-your-face way second like at like [TS]

00:18:59   every cup of coffee i had there at every [TS]

00:19:01   mcdonalds I had their the only thing [TS]

00:19:03   that I had there was like just about the [TS]

00:19:06   best of that I ever had [TS]

00:19:07   it takes some fucking 20 minutes to make [TS]

00:19:09   a cup of coffee and new zealand no [TS]

00:19:11   maddening it's mostly copy this is what [TS]

00:19:13   I got into espresso because they do the [TS]

00:19:14   espresso drinks there but like the [TS]

00:19:16   craftsmanship of what people do there is [TS]

00:19:18   really palpable and and there's a lot of [TS]

00:19:21   like the same one again this unit I like [TS]

00:19:23   and I think about it [TS]

00:19:25   nice people and a lot of civic pride [TS]

00:19:27   that's this not annoying America is kind [TS]

00:19:29   of ruin civic pride for [TS]

00:19:31   a lot of countries but it's like to go [TS]

00:19:33   somewhere like you're walking around [TS]

00:19:34   Canada and everybody's got a papi [TS]

00:19:35   because its remembrance day that's [TS]

00:19:36   really nice and it's not to like you [TS]

00:19:38   know have something to put on facebook [TS]

00:19:39   it's because that's what people always [TS]

00:19:40   do there you go there you go there and [TS]

00:19:42   like you know what you get for she's the [TS]

00:19:44   best she's ever gotten you know America [TS]

00:19:47   has ruined civic pride for America to [TS]

00:19:49   write me I used to put and I still kind [TS]

00:19:53   of try like to pep civic pride and now [TS]

00:19:56   she can get it sometimes you go watch go [TS]

00:19:59   back to watch the video of Whitney [TS]

00:20:00   Houston singing the star-spangled banner [TS]

00:20:01   at that super bowl i'll still give you a [TS]

00:20:03   little bit of a goose [TS]

00:20:05   yeah I feel like yeah America I mean I [TS]

00:20:07   say that shit I said that yesterday [TS]

00:20:09   it's a great experience we're still [TS]

00:20:10   trying yay american educator store [TS]

00:20:12   buying we're still trying [TS]

00:20:14   yeah USA but then you know and then [TS]

00:20:18   somebody like an throws a can of school [TS]

00:20:21   at me and then feel like I donk I don't [TS]

00:20:24   you know this is what I was just saying [TS]

00:20:27   that nothing to do with guns for the [TS]

00:20:29   love of Christ how I know I know I know [TS]

00:20:32   I I with the twitter in particular you [TS]

00:20:34   know you I know you're on the facebook [TS]

00:20:35   i'm not on the facebook twitter like I [TS]

00:20:37   feel so inoculated because I don't go [TS]

00:20:40   much outside my circle but then when I [TS]

00:20:42   do I'm just I'm stunned I mean this is [TS]

00:20:46   part of my brain that likes to think the [TS]

00:20:48   whole like me man [TS]

00:20:50   men's rights white power [TS]

00:20:53   anti-immigrant that whole cluster I like [TS]

00:20:56   to imagine that that is still the fringe [TS]

00:20:58   I'm not persuaded that that is so much [TS]

00:21:01   of the fringe as it used to be and it's [TS]

00:21:03   kinda everywhere and it's awful and and [TS]

00:21:06   they're like they're like some kind of [TS]

00:21:07   science fiction creature where they just [TS]

00:21:08   go find they find people with a good [TS]

00:21:10   heart and try to try to destroy them and [TS]

00:21:12   through and through school after school [TS]

00:21:14   yeah I mean there's millions of millions [TS]

00:21:16   and millions of people that that share [TS]

00:21:19   that that cloud of ideology so much so [TS]

00:21:26   that i'm i'm intrigued now that the [TS]

00:21:30   liberal media if you will hurl our [TS]

00:21:33   rather let me call it you know the [TS]

00:21:36   intelligence of the thinkers are step [TS]

00:21:39   progressive thought leaders progressive [TS]

00:21:41   thought leaders are trying now [TS]

00:21:44   to write think pieces and I know how you [TS]

00:21:48   feel about think pieces and you know I [TS]

00:21:49   feel about things I loved the think [TS]

00:21:50   piece boy you know what couldn't have [TS]

00:21:52   you know paper the ground with think [TS]

00:21:54   pieces when I say a direction at work [TS]

00:21:56   for three hours here's what I learned [TS]

00:21:57   that but there are now increasingly [TS]

00:22:01   those think pieces it's sort of atlantic [TS]

00:22:03   magazine style long-form articles saying [TS]

00:22:06   wait a minute if a hundred million [TS]

00:22:10   Americans share a cosmology in which [TS]

00:22:17   these ideas you know these these uh [TS]

00:22:21   these ideas are like some kind of [TS]

00:22:25   foundational underpinning of a worldview [TS]

00:22:29   yeah i mean where it's not something [TS]

00:22:31   people tolerate quietly like certain [TS]

00:22:33   kinds of racism in the past things like [TS]

00:22:35   that it's not just something is [TS]

00:22:36   tolerated it something that helps people [TS]

00:22:37   bond together people who formerly have [TS]

00:22:39   seemingly nothing in common and what we [TS]

00:22:41   thought of as civil discourse there are [TS]

00:22:43   people who are finding common cause with [TS]

00:22:45   other people that in a way it's kind of [TS]

00:22:46   mind-blowing well and I think a lot of a [TS]

00:22:49   lot of those cases right the what we see [TS]

00:22:52   as the as the like overt deal killing [TS]

00:22:58   racism implied in what in a lot of what [TS]

00:23:02   gets said they see as like I rolling Lee [TS]

00:23:06   unimportant small are racism that you [TS]

00:23:10   should just get over because base what [TS]

00:23:13   they're seeing in some of that action [TS]

00:23:15   and some of those theories some of those [TS]

00:23:17   philosophies is something else and a lot [TS]

00:23:21   of and the liberal side stops at the [TS]

00:23:24   racism wall and says whatever's on the [TS]

00:23:27   other side of this i'm not interested in [TS]

00:23:29   because the because the racism in [TS]

00:23:31   inherent in it like blocks me from going [TS]

00:23:34   further into this idea and the and the [TS]

00:23:38   hundred million people who are able to [TS]

00:23:40   get through that wall who live on the [TS]

00:23:42   other side of that wall are like yeah [TS]

00:23:45   racism racism but X or Y and there are [TS]

00:23:50   so many of those so many of those [TS]

00:23:53   different languages right with the the [TS]

00:23:57   gun right stuff where you know we're [TS]

00:24:00   from the left we have just arrived at a [TS]

00:24:02   place where it's like if you speak [TS]

00:24:05   positively about guns [TS]

00:24:07   i I just I stopped at that fence because [TS]

00:24:10   that because on the other side of that [TS]

00:24:12   fence i expect to hear rationalization [TS]

00:24:15   and justification for machine-gun [TS]

00:24:17   killings of kids in schools and the [TS]

00:24:20   hundred million people on the other side [TS]

00:24:21   of that fence like yeah I got you know [TS]

00:24:23   like guns symbolize and represent this [TS]

00:24:28   other stuff and they just sort of I [TS]

00:24:30   there's this I rolling about the things [TS]

00:24:34   that matter to either side of it and [TS]

00:24:38   that end I think that there is a lot of [TS]

00:24:41   what we do cast one another in the most [TS]

00:24:45   exaggerated possible role that we can [TS]

00:24:49   think as an antagonist you know that and [TS]

00:24:52   I was i I am on Facebook unfortunately [TS]

00:24:57   because I because I don't know why I [TS]

00:25:00   mean NEVER for your career [TS]

00:25:02   it gives me as much it gives me as much [TS]

00:25:04   pause as as Twitter does because you [TS]

00:25:09   know I'm I don't curate either thing [TS]

00:25:11   very well and so I just get this i just [TS]

00:25:13   get tons of of evil all the time from [TS]

00:25:16   both places and mostly the facebook evil [TS]

00:25:20   is in the form of a really really really [TS]

00:25:24   long essays about people's um like the [TS]

00:25:27   current medical treatments not really [TS]

00:25:30   evil it's just like the info and I you [TS]

00:25:34   and I feel like looking at pictures of [TS]

00:25:36   people's dogs on instagram is maybe the [TS]

00:25:38   most people [TS]

00:25:39   hmm but you can't say that because now [TS]

00:25:41   i'm going to get 50 tweets from people [TS]

00:25:43   of their dogs is it does sweet precious [TS]

00:25:45   for babies but but I i'm on I i know a [TS]

00:25:48   lot of people from high school and this [TS]

00:25:50   is how the conversation always starts [TS]

00:25:51   right you know a bunch of people from [TS]

00:25:53   high school yeah and support Donald [TS]

00:25:54   Trump and so I go over onto their [TS]

00:25:58   threads and lurk i'm not i'm definitely [TS]

00:26:02   not trying to argue with anybody i'm not [TS]

00:26:04   really even comment [TS]

00:26:05   the only if i do comment it will only be [TS]

00:26:07   a law because I feel like law there [TS]

00:26:11   three laws divorce the Rorschach test [TS]

00:26:14   right three laws right there's the [TS]

00:26:16   there's the capital L lowercase o [TS]

00:26:18   lowercase L period that's that's law the [TS]

00:26:25   sort of like grammatically correct law [TS]

00:26:27   there's law capital all caps LOL caps [TS]

00:26:32   law and then there's all work a slaw [TS]

00:26:35   l.o.l law [TS]

00:26:37   oh and that's almost like act well or it [TS]

00:26:41   can be all three of those can be [TS]

00:26:42   deployed in different ways but like I [TS]

00:26:44   routinely will carry on a conversation [TS]

00:26:46   with someone else where they are just [TS]

00:26:48   just screaming at me and i'll reply with [TS]

00:26:52   throughout the conversation all three of [TS]

00:26:54   those loans right like you deploy your [TS]

00:26:57   laws and then I'm like law and then at [TS]

00:27:00   the enemy wall and it's fucking amazing [TS]

00:27:03   law is I know there's a lot of people [TS]

00:27:06   that that still have not gotten on board [TS]

00:27:08   the law train for a full and the [TS]

00:27:11   wrongful train kept it on the raffle [TS]

00:27:13   trick but ruffle kind of went away [TS]

00:27:16   didn't it [TS]

00:27:16   roffle was so great for so long roll on [TS]

00:27:19   the floor laughing yes absolutely and [TS]

00:27:21   ruffle ruffle ruffle because it sounded [TS]

00:27:23   like the Hamburglar but now but so are [TS]

00:27:26   you love lamb burger ruffle butt so i'm [TS]

00:27:32   working on these facebook threads of of [TS]

00:27:36   high school friends and there are and [TS]

00:27:41   there's this like there's a lot of humor [TS]

00:27:46   in there in this group of guys who are [TS]

00:27:51   supporting Donald Trump guys and gals [TS]

00:27:53   right i mean it's very much like its its [TS]

00:27:56   cultural rather than gender there are a [TS]

00:27:58   lot of oh yeah woman who a massive Trump [TS]

00:28:02   fans and there's a there's a ton of [TS]

00:28:04   humor and a light heartedness about the [TS]

00:28:08   way they talk but the humor right away [TS]

00:28:10   is of a style of humor that we on the [TS]

00:28:14   other side of the cultural fence have [TS]

00:28:18   and we characterize that now is punching [TS]

00:28:19   down right its humor at the expense of [TS]

00:28:22   other people it's a no and so much of [TS]

00:28:25   the humor is like why can't you take a [TS]

00:28:26   joke style but the people who feel that [TS]

00:28:29   they're they are aggrieved it's anything [TS]

00:28:31   but punching down [TS]

00:28:32   yeah exactly right i mean they're [TS]

00:28:34   they're under assault because you know [TS]

00:28:37   because there are good god bless I wish [TS]

00:28:39   you get again have the days where that [TS]

00:28:40   was considered punching down but now [TS]

00:28:42   there's blocks everywhere in lying lying [TS]

00:28:44   dishonest Hillary well and you know and [TS]

00:28:46   also like there are only whatever a [TS]

00:28:50   billion Christians in the world some of [TS]

00:28:52   course there are minority and when you [TS]

00:28:53   look at growth that curve what killing [TS]

00:28:55   Jesus but you know the thing is that the [TS]

00:28:57   that all of those people on my facebook [TS]

00:28:59   page would probably identify as [TS]

00:29:02   Christian but they're not they're not [TS]

00:29:04   bible thumpers they are very different [TS]

00:29:07   from like an eighties feel ya there do [TS]

00:29:09   beer-drinking hellraisers right there [TS]

00:29:11   are Alaskans who got big trucks and they [TS]

00:29:14   like to shoot guns and fuck the world [TS]

00:29:15   and you know and they're fun they think [TS]

00:29:17   of themselves as fun and their support [TS]

00:29:21   of Trump only other fun and they can [TS]

00:29:23   take it they can't take a joke [TS]

00:29:24   exactly and and the thing is you know [TS]

00:29:26   you and I were raised in in a culture [TS]

00:29:29   where the why can't you take a joke [TS]

00:29:32   style of bullying was the norm and [TS]

00:29:37   somehow through the course of our lives [TS]

00:29:39   we've arrived at a place where hey you [TS]

00:29:43   know why can't you take a joke style [TS]

00:29:44   bullying is sort of like a pretty bad [TS]

00:29:49   way of socializing people it is but is [TS]

00:29:52   also but if i remember correctly [TS]

00:29:53   especially amongst family members and as [TS]

00:29:56   a young person's young man i think they [TS]

00:29:59   meant to be helpful [TS]

00:30:00   where is like a poli aside thing Hey [TS]

00:30:02   look man you learn how to take a fucking [TS]

00:30:03   joke [TS]

00:30:04   sticks and stones will break your bones [TS]

00:30:05   yeah like maybe don't keep bugging the [TS]

00:30:07   cabdriver about racist jokes like [TS]

00:30:08   fucking dial it down [TS]

00:30:10   well and so all of my facebook pals [TS]

00:30:12   which is to say my friends from high [TS]

00:30:15   school I mean the only people online who [TS]

00:30:18   follow me who avidly disagree with me or [TS]

00:30:21   my high school friends are trolls right [TS]

00:30:24   and indexes and well know that my none [TS]

00:30:27   of my ex-girlfriends are on social media [TS]

00:30:30   was that was that part of the the [TS]

00:30:32   agreement [TS]

00:30:33   no I for many many years every woman I [TS]

00:30:37   dated was growing and you don't get the [TS]

00:30:39   lens that didn't it had nothing to do [TS]

00:30:42   with me it was just like I was attracted [TS]

00:30:44   to lights and and and i don't know why [TS]

00:30:48   right i mean every girl I ever dated had [TS]

00:30:51   the thing that attracted to me a [TS]

00:30:52   attracted me to her from across the room [TS]

00:30:55   was something on the order of like that [TS]

00:30:58   girl have leaves in her hair done just [TS]

00:31:04   got strong bones returns veteran she [TS]

00:31:07   knows how to take a fucking joke [TS]

00:31:08   yeah why why does she have leaves in her [TS]

00:31:10   hair and I walked over to my sleeves and [TS]

00:31:12   she'd say fuck you can a bad can it be [TS]

00:31:16   should we take this is full now on you [TS]

00:31:19   take a third location and good life [TS]

00:31:22   intrigued by you tell me more about your [TS]

00:31:25   leaves so i can't be on to something [TS]

00:31:27   there some girls if in my past some ex [TS]

00:31:30   girlfriends that I would just like to [TS]

00:31:32   talk to because it's like a it's been 15 [TS]

00:31:35   years just checking in the only way I [TS]

00:31:39   the only even like way I have of knowing [TS]

00:31:42   anything about their continued existence [TS]

00:31:44   is that some friend of a friend of hers [TS]

00:31:47   is on facebook and every once in a while [TS]

00:31:49   there are some something float by where [TS]

00:31:52   it's like oh that's you know i'm [TS]

00:31:53   following her friend of a friend I see [TS]

00:31:55   some picture of the back of her hair and [TS]

00:31:57   I'm like I know those leaves [TS]

00:31:58   that's right somebody put photo Tammy [TS]

00:32:01   anything about Tammy Tammy but but yeah [TS]

00:32:04   so that so what what I find over there [TS]

00:32:07   in that world is like there is a [TS]

00:32:10   tremendous feeling of togetherness and [TS]

00:32:13   lightheartedness and feeling like [TS]

00:32:15   they're the only people left in the [TS]

00:32:17   world who have even a reasonable outlook [TS]

00:32:20   on life and that over here in the [TS]

00:32:23   liberal like we're all a bunch of in the [TS]

00:32:27   on the liberal side of the fence [TS]

00:32:28   we're all a bunch of thumb suckers and [TS]

00:32:32   concern trolls basically like what are [TS]

00:32:34   we so been added [TS]

00:32:36   about wellness and again the implicitly [TS]

00:32:39   i'm going to keep making this about [TS]

00:32:40   perceived status but what do we have to [TS]

00:32:43   be mad about especially because we're on [TS]

00:32:45   the ascent we're the ones who get to [TS]

00:32:47   redefine the idea of you know gender not [TS]

00:32:50   being digital and things like that [TS]

00:32:51   where's your fucking everything up like [TS]

00:32:53   we're not allowed to be mad yeah we are [TS]

00:32:55   the ones imposing an agenda [TS]

00:32:57   yeah and and the and the and that [TS]

00:33:01   informs their narrative about the things [TS]

00:33:03   that are on their agenda are either [TS]

00:33:05   status quo things that they would like [TS]

00:33:07   to maintain or things that they [TS]

00:33:09   perceived to have been traditional [TS]

00:33:13   things which have been encroached upon [TS]

00:33:15   that they would like to regain that turf [TS]

00:33:18   but they think about themselves as just [TS]

00:33:21   holding the line of what normal is [TS]

00:33:24   and they they see us on the other side [TS]

00:33:27   pushing what and you hear this term all [TS]

00:33:29   the time radical agenda [TS]

00:33:30   yeah but it is you know it is an [TS]

00:33:33   encroaching agenda so when I when I you [TS]

00:33:37   know when i hear that litany of [TS]

00:33:38   descriptions of the of people that [TS]

00:33:41   represent now millions and millions and [TS]

00:33:44   millions and millions of millions of [TS]

00:33:45   people I i have to resist my own like [TS]

00:33:51   knee-jerk reaction to say like they're [TS]

00:33:54   all idiots right and try and get inside [TS]

00:33:57   that culture a little bit and be like [TS]

00:33:58   what is it like from in here and if you [TS]

00:34:02   think about all those people are the [TS]

00:34:03   Trump rallies that we look like to look [TS]

00:34:05   at and just go like oh my god they're [TS]

00:34:06   the worst [TS]

00:34:07   they're the worst with their you know [TS]

00:34:10   that the only thing missing is a [TS]

00:34:12   baseball hat with two beer cans in it [TS]

00:34:14   and fuckin straws coming down but from [TS]

00:34:18   within that trump rally they think of [TS]

00:34:20   themselves as having a blast [TS]

00:34:23   yeah and Trump is having a blast that's [TS]

00:34:25   it's a monster truck show [TS]

00:34:27   it's a monster truck show and we and and [TS]

00:34:29   from the outside we look like a bunch of [TS]

00:34:31   just joyless grave like can't take a [TS]

00:34:36   joke don't appreciate this is this is [TS]

00:34:38   people whose lives have been until it's [TS]

00:34:41   a little bit like the whole states [TS]

00:34:42   rights things kind of played out again [TS]

00:34:44   was like hey we have all this worked out [TS]

00:34:46   you're going to stay off our ship we [TS]

00:34:47   start your shit and of course that [TS]

00:34:49   never the case and so you know we not [TS]

00:34:51   only are we the aggrieved party if we [TS]

00:34:52   should choose to look at it that way but [TS]

00:34:54   like we have a sense of humor we see [TS]

00:34:56   like you sit there and like you have I [TS]

00:35:00   just listened to three episodes of a [TS]

00:35:01   podcast about how horrible life will be [TS]

00:35:03   at Donald Trump becomes president is [TS]

00:35:05   very good podcast called the truck cast [TS]

00:35:06   but i highly recommend very good it's [TS]

00:35:08   very opinionated and it's very well done [TS]

00:35:10   but like people look at that and go on [TS]

00:35:11   my god and but what they think what they [TS]

00:35:13   also see is they see how scared we are [TS]

00:35:15   they see how how terrified and powerless [TS]

00:35:21   so many people feel and like that's all [TS]

00:35:24   the more reason to start pulling for [TS]

00:35:25   that particular pro wrestler [TS]

00:35:27   it's like holy shit somebody finally put [TS]

00:35:28   a scare into John Roderick a that fucker [TS]

00:35:31   up all the dog the dog can smell your [TS]

00:35:33   fear [TS]

00:35:34   yeah right but you know i was on a [TS]

00:35:35   conference call earlier today within a [TS]

00:35:37   city agency and it was a group of [TS]

00:35:40   probably 20 people talking into a [TS]

00:35:42   probably 18 of them were sitting around [TS]

00:35:45   a conference table and I was laying in [TS]

00:35:47   bed talking to them with a with my [TS]

00:35:50   podcast and that is all around that's it [TS]

00:35:51   that's it to rip this a terrific way to [TS]

00:35:53   get a lot of stuff does just get but [TS]

00:35:55   people are really the speakerphone [TS]

00:35:56   yeah and at one point there someone [TS]

00:36:00   spoke up and said our you know we're [TS]

00:36:03   looking for people to participate in [TS]

00:36:06   this event it's you know the event is [TS]

00:36:09   targeted at you know young women of [TS]

00:36:14   color and so and as the perfect [TS]

00:36:18   describing it [TS]

00:36:19   she sort of says as an aside to the [TS]

00:36:22   people in the room like so anyone here [TS]

00:36:24   that wants to get involved in this [TS]

00:36:26   please you know talk to me after the [TS]

00:36:28   meeting and sorry we're not really [TS]

00:36:31   looking for any sis males mhm and within [TS]

00:36:37   the context of this conversation that [TS]

00:36:41   was you know like yeah [TS]

00:36:43   self-evidently right you're looking for [TS]

00:36:45   people that can identify and though and [TS]

00:36:49   in particular people that these young [TS]

00:36:50   women can identify with right that's the [TS]

00:36:53   that that is the element that's missing [TS]

00:36:55   that's why this event is even happening [TS]

00:36:58   because these young women of color are [TS]

00:37:01   not represented they don't see they [TS]

00:37:05   don't have role models the same way and [TS]

00:37:07   and we're trying to now build these [TS]

00:37:09   institutions where there where there are [TS]

00:37:12   these mentoring relationships but from [TS]

00:37:16   from within a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:37:18   what is the answer to that what from the [TS]

00:37:20   men's rights organizations or the gamer [TS]

00:37:22   Gators to what you two huge problems [TS]

00:37:25   problem number one is you're excluding [TS]

00:37:27   the people who are never allowed to be [TS]

00:37:28   excluded in second you're using a term [TS]

00:37:30   that they find unnecessary and [TS]

00:37:32   potentially offensive exactly right i [TS]

00:37:34   mean it is kind of more than one thing [TS]

00:37:36   it's not just roll your eyes over this [TS]

00:37:38   neologism it's that oh my god I can't [TS]

00:37:40   believe you have the temerity to leave [TS]

00:37:41   us out and then to use this faggot name [TS]

00:37:43   for us [TS]

00:37:44   well that and and and the way that that [TS]

00:37:46   would then the way that they would the [TS]

00:37:48   way that argument would coalesce is well [TS]

00:37:50   what would happen if I said that we were [TS]

00:37:53   having a meeting and no women color [TS]

00:37:55   right and it's what we have when we have [TS]

00:38:00   a men's government clock right like the [TS]

00:38:03   flow you mean every meeting and [TS]

00:38:05   everything that's ever happened 453 [TS]

00:38:07   there's a lot of cooking for 50 years [TS]

00:38:10   but but that is there is a you know [TS]

00:38:15   there's a libertarian logic to that [TS]

00:38:17   which is no regulation of any kind is [TS]

00:38:22   the purest form of life and as soon as [TS]

00:38:27   you start instituting rules then you're [TS]

00:38:30   already on the way to talat arianism [TS]

00:38:32   especially if those rules are about me [TS]

00:38:35   right if those rules affect me or or [TS]

00:38:38   three reasons it's amazing how rarely [TS]

00:38:39   people who self-identify as libertarians [TS]

00:38:41   are fighting to have things lifted from [TS]

00:38:44   people aren't them well yeah right [TS]

00:38:48   because if there were no rules about who [TS]

00:38:49   could go to meetings uh then it would [TS]

00:38:53   just be back to a question of their [TS]

00:38:56   ethnic bites you never think that's [TS]

00:38:59   exactly right like like and then it and [TS]

00:39:02   and i think i think affirmative action [TS]

00:39:04   as an ocean was the moment at which [TS]

00:39:09   some number of of some number of [TS]

00:39:15   carriages on the train of progress just [TS]

00:39:17   got unhooked because it was a leap of [TS]

00:39:20   logic a leap of of of like like a kind [TS]

00:39:30   of faith or a an understanding the [TS]

00:39:36   understanding that redress is even [TS]

00:39:38   possible and that redress would be [TS]

00:39:41   beneficial to all that is that's a [TS]

00:39:45   that's oh right right to not frame it as [TS]

00:39:48   like a handout to get these people off [TS]

00:39:50   our back but rather something that could [TS]

00:39:52   improve the culture and society for [TS]

00:39:54   everybody [TS]

00:39:55   yeah that that that the the benefits of [TS]

00:39:57   affirmative action the benefits of equal [TS]

00:40:00   rights for all are not a they're not a [TS]

00:40:04   machine to two newly privilege another [TS]

00:40:08   group over you they're they're not [TS]

00:40:11   taking anything away from you [TS]

00:40:13   it's it is an attempt to continue to [TS]

00:40:18   perfect to the notion of the American [TS]

00:40:21   experimented that can it's a [TS]

00:40:22   continuation of a of a of progress that [TS]

00:40:26   we've made throughout time that benefits [TS]

00:40:29   everyone because progress benefits [TS]

00:40:32   everyone and the the more you know we [TS]

00:40:36   have watched well disseminate and we [TS]

00:40:40   were so were so consumed with how wealth [TS]

00:40:43   is concentrated right now and it is it's [TS]

00:40:47   it's like it unfairly grossly [TS]

00:40:49   concentrated in the in the one-percent [TS]

00:40:52   but the fact is compared to even 60 [TS]

00:40:56   years ago when people were still [TS]

00:40:59   routinely starving to death around the [TS]

00:41:01   world in you know number in numbers that [TS]

00:41:05   would astonish you even now to look at [TS]

00:41:07   you know we have we as a as a human as a [TS]

00:41:10   human race through technology and [TS]

00:41:12   through democracy have turned to the [TS]

00:41:15   earth truly into a [TS]

00:41:18   into a garden of Plenty and people now [TS]

00:41:23   live life expectancy has doubled and the [TS]

00:41:27   and education has doubled in or you know [TS]

00:41:30   like people are are so much more [TS]

00:41:32   educated and cared for then maybe I'm [TS]

00:41:35   just think about medical care for old [TS]

00:41:37   and young people [TS]

00:41:38   yeah then the amount of things that we [TS]

00:41:40   know to avoid doing so we don't die as [TS]

00:41:42   young and you know something does happen [TS]

00:41:44   we have ways to treat stuff that didn't [TS]

00:41:46   exist 50 years ago a life expectancy of [TS]

00:41:48   people in 1900 was about 40 but it [TS]

00:41:52   wasn't meant for fifteen yeah you know [TS]

00:41:54   and so so with that in mind you know you [TS]

00:41:58   can just make this this case that this [TS]

00:42:01   combination of science and philosophy [TS]

00:42:04   science on the one hand you know [TS]

00:42:07   improving them are material life and and [TS]

00:42:11   philosophy on the other sort of [TS]

00:42:12   improving our like agency our political [TS]

00:42:17   agency are belonging and I mean by that [TS]

00:42:22   political philosophy and also you know [TS]

00:42:24   the philosophy of the mind and that case [TS]

00:42:29   that you know that case of affirmative [TS]

00:42:33   action in that case of social justice [TS]

00:42:36   which in the context of like reparations [TS]

00:42:43   just naturally a defends the people who [TS]

00:42:50   aren't making a philosophical lead it [TS]

00:42:53   offends them because they say well my [TS]

00:42:56   grandfather had hard migrate [TS]

00:42:58   nobody-nobody i mean we had a [TS]

00:43:00   hardscrabble life nobody ever gave me [TS]

00:43:02   for money [TS]

00:43:02   yeah where's my parade right like my [TS]

00:43:05   great-grandparents came over from [TS]

00:43:06   Ireland and they didn't you know they [TS]

00:43:11   didn't riot or whatever that that logic [TS]

00:43:14   of the logic where you're only seeing [TS]

00:43:16   reparations in in terms of like a [TS]

00:43:22   cash-out or or an unfair advantage being [TS]

00:43:26   afforded to you rather than seeing it as [TS]

00:43:29   like part of this grand experiment how [TS]

00:43:31   are we try [TS]

00:43:32   to create what are our theories about [TS]

00:43:35   political science where we can we can [TS]

00:43:39   raise the bar for everybody and now [TS]

00:43:42   we're at a place where that has been so [TS]

00:43:44   poorly explained that we've lost we've [TS]

00:43:48   lost half the country and I and I do put [TS]

00:43:52   the blame on the Intelligencia the [TS]

00:43:56   Academy for lack of a better description [TS]

00:43:59   for having done such a poor job of [TS]

00:44:02   articulating what the project and i [TS]

00:44:07   think within academia because within [TS]

00:44:11   academia they also perceived themselves [TS]

00:44:14   to be a threatened minority who write [TS]

00:44:17   the the college life and the and the [TS]

00:44:21   ivory tower folks saw themselves as [TS]

00:44:25   revolutionaries 20 at war against a a a [TS]

00:44:30   you know a majority of dummies and so [TS]

00:44:35   they you know they used the the same [TS]

00:44:38   inflammatory language of resistance and [TS]

00:44:42   and and war that we were we were under [TS]

00:44:48   siege and we were going to we were going [TS]

00:44:52   to take it to the level of like we were [TS]

00:44:56   going to him in in a lot of ways impose [TS]

00:44:59   these theories because if people didn't [TS]

00:45:01   like it they could suck it right like if [TS]

00:45:04   you didn't like it too bad for you this [TS]

00:45:07   is what's right [TS]

00:45:08   this is what's right for you and no and [TS]

00:45:11   the and the and trying to get people to [TS]

00:45:14   rally which is what we need [TS]

00:45:16   trying to get people to understand and [TS]

00:45:18   and get on board that crucial step the [TS]

00:45:23   Academy stop even pretending and so now [TS]

00:45:27   we fit we failed utterly failed to to [TS]

00:45:30   get everybody to understand what what [TS]

00:45:36   we're trying to accomplish and and you [TS]

00:45:38   know and and it's and a lot of that is [TS]

00:45:40   understandable [TS]

00:45:41   that but you and I have talked about [TS]

00:45:44   this a lot every single group of people [TS]

00:45:46   feels like they are the money minority [TS]

00:45:48   yep and they all feel like they have to [TS]

00:45:53   defend they have to defend themselves [TS]

00:45:55   and then I think the many people really [TS]

00:45:58   do it let's put this way there's not [TS]

00:46:01   that many people one of my old saws is [TS]

00:46:04   like I don't think there's that many [TS]

00:46:05   people in existence today that would [TS]

00:46:07   describe themselves as stupid and I [TS]

00:46:10   don't think there's actually that many [TS]

00:46:11   Americans who would describe themselves [TS]

00:46:12   as being one commonly fortunate and [TS]

00:46:16   privileged that's changing a little bit [TS]

00:46:18   but i think this they're still [TS]

00:46:19   everybody's got their reasons for why [TS]

00:46:22   they think the way they think and do the [TS]

00:46:24   way they do and based on strong feelings [TS]

00:46:26   and anecdotes and traditions and things [TS]

00:46:28   like that there's the minutes but that's [TS]

00:46:30   that's always been the case it's just we [TS]

00:46:32   we always see the log in somebody else's [TS]

00:46:34   I but the other part of this that i [TS]

00:46:37   think is another failing of benefits the [TS]

00:46:40   academia but the failure of all people [TS]

00:46:43   but im gonna have it fall harvest on the [TS]

00:46:44   Liberals is our inability he described [TS]

00:46:48   how old is getting racist shut it down [TS]

00:46:50   like this is getting like you're [TS]

00:46:51   obviously you have done so you're an [TS]

00:46:53   idiot shut it down like there's a [TS]

00:46:55   failure of imagination i think on the [TS]

00:46:57   liberal side and failure of empathy to [TS]

00:46:59   understand why people are saying what [TS]

00:47:00   they're saying in the way that they are [TS]

00:47:02   saying it and the fact that we disagree [TS]

00:47:04   strongly with the very top level of how [TS]

00:47:07   they present themselves and what the [TS]

00:47:08   rhetoric is and choosing not to play by [TS]

00:47:10   the same rules that we do in terms of [TS]

00:47:12   you know online discourse or discourse [TS]

00:47:15   in general I think that leads to a very [TS]

00:47:17   dangerous lack of empathy of not [TS]

00:47:19   actually listening to what these people [TS]

00:47:20   are saying because when you actually [TS]

00:47:22   read these pieces about people who go [TS]

00:47:23   into a Donald Trump rally for example [TS]

00:47:25   it's frequently extremely interesting [TS]

00:47:28   where you want this person meets people [TS]

00:47:30   they genuinely like like weirdos that [TS]

00:47:33   they like inside of a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:47:34   but you know what gets reported fairly [TS]

00:47:37   is the one person who yells hang the [TS]

00:47:39   bitch in clinton is named the problem is [TS]

00:47:41   you hear that often enough and you're [TS]

00:47:44   gonna get the feeling that that you're [TS]

00:47:45   gonna make all this and try to defend [TS]

00:47:47   Donald Trump what i am saying there's a [TS]

00:47:49   lot more going on than just we love [TS]

00:47:50   Donald Trump Donald Trump is the [TS]

00:47:52   figurehead for 4,000 different hydras [TS]

00:47:55   and like to think that that's all the [TS]

00:47:56   same people with the same for you and [TS]

00:47:57   you just put this this and this big pile [TS]

00:47:59   of dumb people who don't get it and I [TS]

00:48:00   don't like you're missing out on a lot [TS]

00:48:02   of stuff did you read that New Yorker [TS]

00:48:03   article III think I've read all the [TS]

00:48:05   articles and there's one with a guy when [TS]

00:48:08   there's the the one guy there who was [TS]

00:48:10   into chemtrails it was handing out [TS]

00:48:11   bottles of water that while i'm sorry [TS]

00:48:13   you're reading my blog [TS]

00:48:15   no no this guy from the New York did one [TS]

00:48:19   of those wonderful new yorker pieces [TS]

00:48:20   where he was just like I'm just gonna go [TS]

00:48:22   to this Trump rally and see if I can [TS]

00:48:23   make any friends and he did you know [TS]

00:48:25   what I see and he had that thing where [TS]

00:48:27   he's where he would say because he was [TS]

00:48:29   only want to build a wall and he would [TS]

00:48:31   say well what about this one a situation [TS]

00:48:34   where this gal was born or you know i [TS]

00:48:37   was born in America or well I'm sorry [TS]

00:48:39   was born in Mexico but brought to [TS]

00:48:40   America when she was three months old [TS]

00:48:42   and uh and got a parking ticket and now [TS]

00:48:45   she's being deported and almost [TS]

00:48:47   everybody he asked was like oh well I [TS]

00:48:49   mean and the first thing they said was [TS]

00:48:50   issued a good person [TS]

00:48:52   yeah right well she's a good person then [TS]

00:48:53   we should figure out it means there [TS]

00:48:55   should be exceptions certainly you know [TS]

00:48:56   like in each case there their initial [TS]

00:49:00   their initial argument of like build a [TS]

00:49:02   wall keep them out but your but when you [TS]

00:49:04   do that your problem tising something [TS]

00:49:06   that seems very simple which is hey [TS]

00:49:07   we're here at this rally to talk about [TS]

00:49:09   Matt we are like you think in a year [TS]

00:49:11   people get fuck all for Donald Trump [TS]

00:49:12   they're there because he represents a [TS]

00:49:15   very very deep anger and discontentment [TS]

00:49:17   what has happened in America some of [TS]

00:49:19   which a lot of people might surprisingly [TS]

00:49:21   want to agree with a lot of stuff [TS]

00:49:22   happened between 2008 and 2010 in this [TS]

00:49:25   country that a lot of people are mad [TS]

00:49:26   about on every side of every aisle [TS]

00:49:29   that's a lot of it there's a lot of the [TS]

00:49:31   losing jobs and I'm not trying to defend [TS]

00:49:33   any of this but but I think I guess what [TS]

00:49:35   I'm trying to say is that like I think [TS]

00:49:36   it's it's uniquely on smart liberals to [TS]

00:49:41   be such dealings about trying to put [TS]

00:49:43   people in a box that they can understand [TS]

00:49:44   and hate at scale [TS]

00:49:45   instead of trying to actually listen to [TS]

00:49:46   what somebody is saying so in that case [TS]

00:49:48   what you just described somebody goes [TS]

00:49:49   into that rally and goes from goes from [TS]

00:49:52   being a bunch of rapist from Mexico to [TS]

00:49:53   here's this one girl that I could [TS]

00:49:55   imagine my kid knowing that changes [TS]

00:49:57   everything because now it's not about [TS]

00:49:58   people it's about eight person but we [TS]

00:50:00   rarely do the same thing with people we [TS]

00:50:01   disagree with and that's on us we are [TS]

00:50:04   making it worse when we try to demonize [TS]

00:50:08   demon eyes on the people who are we [TS]

00:50:11   don't agree with what we we don't have [TS]

00:50:12   the empathy to try to hear what's [TS]

00:50:14   happening behind what they're saying [TS]

00:50:15   we're because it's a culture that's [TS]

00:50:17   foreign to us it's like watching [TS]

00:50:18   bullfighting remembers when i'm sure we [TS]

00:50:19   can be mad about I well I know what [TS]

00:50:21   could be bad about because the Sun but [TS]

00:50:23   ain't no yeah this is the just and just [TS]

00:50:26   as you see no i was reading The Guardian [TS]

00:50:29   an article by dave eggers your daddy [TS]

00:50:32   Dave Eggers goes to a Donald Trump rally [TS]

00:50:33   see that the man in front of me said he [TS]

00:50:36   was pointing to a jets white trail in [TS]

00:50:38   the sky above us [TS]

00:50:39   that's the air force is playing shit in [TS]

00:50:41   the sky bigger says i'll call this man [TS]

00:50:44   Jim oh good [TS]

00:50:46   any like jim was buying bottled water [TS]

00:50:48   for everybody and being eventually i I'm [TS]

00:50:51   sorry to dissemble and to be such an [TS]

00:50:54   unloyal uh you know fellow traveler at [TS]

00:50:57   such an important time but fucking [TS]

00:50:58   everybody [TS]

00:50:59   well yeah I'm mad about Donald Trump to [TS]

00:51:01   like i think is a dangerous man but like [TS]

00:51:03   just yelling across the aisle is not [TS]

00:51:05   going to make this better [TS]

00:51:06   the more things that we do to show how [TS]

00:51:09   we're right in there wrong [TS]

00:51:10   the further we dig ourselves into a [TS]

00:51:12   completely untenable situation that the [TS]

00:51:14   unit on an interesting thing a second [TS]

00:51:16   ago which was thank you mean you know [TS]

00:51:19   it's rare moment that's very that's [TS]

00:51:21   three for me that fuckin 206 episodes a [TS]

00:51:24   rare diamond in the horse shit I don't [TS]

00:51:27   know how the horse ate the diamond don't [TS]

00:51:29   ask somebody for a diamond in a banana [TS]

00:51:32   fed to a horse like introduction and [TS]

00:51:35   then I saw it come out of the poop poop [TS]

00:51:37   chute know the idea i mean way up the [TS]

00:51:41   idea of privilege right now whenever [TS]

00:51:48   whenever someone speaks about privilege [TS]

00:51:50   there's a there's an aspect of [TS]

00:51:52   recrimination an apology in it [TS]

00:51:54   no one talks about their own privilege [TS]

00:51:56   you know it with any pride certainly on [TS]

00:51:59   our side of the fence right if you say [TS]

00:52:01   the word privilege you are saying it now [TS]

00:52:03   like I mean you know in terms of white [TS]

00:52:06   privilege you have this thing and you're [TS]

00:52:08   sorry for it and you're trying to amend [TS]

00:52:10   for it you know that you that this has [TS]

00:52:13   become a term of art for a kind of [TS]

00:52:17   [Music] [TS]

00:52:19   for a form of shame at your privilege [TS]

00:52:24   and I think it gets the second but I'm [TS]

00:52:26   not interrupt the first of all I think [TS]

00:52:28   it's a little bit like acknowledging the [TS]

00:52:29   air is free and we get it yet part of it [TS]

00:52:32   is just acknowledging that is actually a [TS]

00:52:34   thing that rather than my emotions about [TS]

00:52:35   how might I feel but heard about [TS]

00:52:37   somebody calling me that then i have to [TS]

00:52:38   really stop it you know what you're [TS]

00:52:40   actually really fucking right I can walk [TS]

00:52:41   anywhere I want and I'll be fine but the [TS]

00:52:43   but the issue i think in our culture at [TS]

00:52:47   large is that no one is acknowledging [TS]

00:52:49   that they are in charge [TS]

00:52:51   it's always somebody else did everyone [TS]

00:52:54   select right and and and i say this [TS]

00:52:57   about about the Liberals at as much or [TS]

00:53:01   more than anyone else [TS]

00:53:03   this this sense of being under siege [TS]

00:53:06   means that there's no intellectual [TS]

00:53:09   tradition or cultural tradition that [TS]

00:53:13   doesn't that doesn't describe itself as [TS]

00:53:16   under siege including all of the rich [TS]

00:53:19   preppy guys at the Yale Club in in New [TS]

00:53:24   York City who are kind of circling [TS]

00:53:26   around their gin and tonics and saying [TS]

00:53:28   you know they're coming at us from all [TS]

00:53:30   sides where the last of a dying breed [TS]

00:53:33   so no one in America will acknowledge [TS]

00:53:36   that they are the establishment and in [TS]

00:53:40   that in everyone's failure to [TS]

00:53:44   acknowledge that they are the [TS]

00:53:45   establishment [TS]

00:53:45   no one is in charge no one has to take [TS]

00:53:48   responsibility and so right now [TS]

00:53:52   effectively the liberals are the [TS]

00:53:56   establishment we really are like our [TS]

00:53:59   candidate is going to win the presidency [TS]

00:54:01   and our candidate has been the president [TS]

00:54:05   for the last eight years and liberal [TS]

00:54:07   ideas are ascendant and have been for a [TS]

00:54:10   long time now we feel under assault [TS]

00:54:13   because there are hundreds of millions [TS]

00:54:15   of people or you know a hundred and [TS]

00:54:18   fifty million people on the other side [TS]

00:54:20   of the aisle who are throwing a spit [TS]

00:54:24   wads at us right and who want guns to be [TS]

00:54:28   unregulated and who want abortion to be [TS]

00:54:30   illegal and etc etc etc [TS]

00:54:32   and they are the there the other side of [TS]

00:54:37   the of the aisle but really they benefit [TS]

00:54:39   from liberal ideas to and the degree to [TS]

00:54:42   which they acknowledge that or don't is [TS]

00:54:45   just a failure of of language or you [TS]

00:54:48   know it's a failure of of comprehension [TS]

00:54:50   more than anything but at some point the [TS]

00:54:55   people with privilege who are for all [TS]

00:54:58   intensive purposes every American [TS]

00:55:00   listening to this podcast regardless of [TS]

00:55:01   race or gender you have electricity in [TS]

00:55:03   the computer we yeah and you are smart [TS]

00:55:06   enough to be listening to me and tony [TS]

00:55:08   award-winning broadcaster on the line [TS]

00:55:11   yeah right you are the intellectual a [TS]

00:55:14   10-percent we are your the reason we do [TS]

00:55:17   it you know what it's all for you and [TS]

00:55:19   the kids for the kids but 22 to accept [TS]

00:55:24   that mantle and to say i am part of the [TS]

00:55:28   leading one part of the leadership and I [TS]

00:55:31   have a responsibility not to think of [TS]

00:55:33   myself constantly as a victim and [TS]

00:55:35   constantly under siege [TS]

00:55:37   I have a responsibility to be the adult [TS]

00:55:39   in the room and to say here are our [TS]

00:55:42   ideas and why they make sense [TS]

00:55:45   here's the larger world we're trying to [TS]

00:55:47   cut to construct it's a world where [TS]

00:55:50   fairness does predominate it's a world [TS]

00:55:53   where a rising tide does lift all boats [TS]

00:55:55   and it's some version of you know [TS]

00:55:59   socialistic capitalistic Democratic you [TS]

00:56:05   know uh like a like a secular whatever [TS]

00:56:09   this this cloud of ideas that we all [TS]

00:56:13   sort of bathe in and pick and choose [TS]

00:56:14   grapes from took two to create a world [TS]

00:56:19   view that we can proudly hold up and say [TS]

00:56:22   you know I do have privilege it is the [TS]

00:56:25   privilege of being a person in this [TS]

00:56:28   culture who is responsible for for this [TS]

00:56:33   world home trying to me [TS]

00:56:35   yeah and that a that shouldering of the [TS]

00:56:37   burden and refusal to think of yourself [TS]

00:56:41   as [TS]

00:56:42   as someone who is who's constantly in a [TS]

00:56:46   posture of defense is also a leap like a [TS]

00:56:51   like a intellectual and spiritual lead [TS]

00:56:54   and it isn't to say you don't say the [TS]

00:56:58   word privilege with with a tonne of [TS]

00:57:01   apology you say I'm privileged to be [TS]

00:57:03   able to say the following things right [TS]

00:57:06   I'm privileged to be able to come to you [TS]

00:57:08   today and described the world i imagine [TS]

00:57:12   and the world we collectively are trying [TS]

00:57:13   to imagine and I I feel like over time [TS]

00:57:17   the way to to to have this experiment [TS]

00:57:22   not devolved into what it is you know [TS]

00:57:25   what we're all afraid it's doing right [TS]

00:57:26   now which is just this like two nations [TS]

00:57:29   scenario where in order to get from [TS]

00:57:33   Seattle to Minneapolis you're gonna have [TS]

00:57:36   to fly over hostile territory or have a [TS]

00:57:39   passport right to go up to code frost [TS]

00:57:42   red state land before going into cloak [TS]

00:57:46   mode you know and like Minneapolis and [TS]

00:57:48   and and chicago or kind of up there and [TS]

00:57:51   it's weird like lake Lake down town [TS]

00:57:55   country that goes up to ontario um in [TS]

00:58:00   order to in order to not have that [TS]

00:58:02   happen we we just and we're the ones [TS]

00:58:04   that have to do it we have to make a [TS]

00:58:06   better case we have to articulate a case [TS]

00:58:09   that isn't from our own our own state of [TS]

00:58:13   victimization but a case that is [TS]

00:58:15   encompassing that says listen you guys [TS]

00:58:18   we're not trying to be humorless drudges [TS]

00:58:22   here we're not trying to force you to [TS]

00:58:24   all be gay that it sucks we don't want [TS]

00:58:28   you to be getting really don't want you [TS]

00:58:29   to because we just want the game ones of [TS]

00:58:31   you to be happy [TS]

00:58:33   that's good friends right come on [TS]

00:58:37   yeah but they're gonna be three students [TS]

00:58:40   interested in this idea though the the [TS]

00:58:42   tickle taking leadership just kind of [TS]

00:58:44   grabbing it you know being the one's [TS]

00:58:46   gonna love you know let it begin with me [TS]

00:58:48   i'm gonna run this meeting [TS]

00:58:49   yeah very very interesting idea you know [TS]

00:58:52   acknowledging that you already have that [TS]

00:58:53   you're already [TS]

00:58:55   kind of running the meeting that's [TS]

00:58:58   that's a strangely existential i like it [TS]

00:59:00   i gotta i was i I tweeted out a an ex of [TS]

00:59:05   mine is the gal that spearheading the [TS]

00:59:09   shout your abortion movement and i [TS]

00:59:13   retweeted one of her tweets and I got a [TS]

00:59:19   reply on facebook from a guy that I went [TS]

00:59:23   to college with and i went to a Catholic [TS]

00:59:24   College for a couple years and this [TS]

00:59:26   friend of mine is a big big burly kind [TS]

00:59:29   of you know Irish Catholic I taller than [TS]

00:59:31   me bigger than me like a bit many i know [TS]

00:59:34   right well that's his name Jimmy Jimmy o [TS]

00:59:38   O'Shaughnessy not attracted and he has I [TS]

00:59:41   should you not eight kids [TS]

00:59:44   hope is a clean a nap and he has a [TS]

00:59:48   little darling kids ranging in age from [TS]

00:59:51   Lee 24 comes from 0 to 11 and he's uh [TS]

00:59:59   he's a what [TS]

00:59:59   he's a what [TS]

01:00:00   the guy hilarious guy he comments on my [TS]

01:00:03   facebook page all the time he's a [TS]

01:00:06   liberal guy he's a funny guy but he is [TS]

01:00:09   anti-abortion mhm and he's anti abortion [TS]

01:00:12   because every life is sacred and that is [TS]

01:00:16   that is a worldview right it's alex katz [TS]

01:00:19   got their reasons I mean it's an [TS]

01:00:20   accompanying worldview and it begins at [TS]

01:00:22   up at an initial premise which is every [TS]

01:00:25   life is sacred and that sacredness comes [TS]

01:00:29   from its from the fact that there is a [TS]

01:00:31   soul to where we are we are essentially [TS]

01:00:33   stewards of those lives right and from [TS]

01:00:36   their perspective like like just as we [TS]

01:00:40   just as we look back at our founding [TS]

01:00:42   fathers and go how could they possibly [TS]

01:00:44   have had slaves and simultaneously been [TS]

01:00:47   writing these you know these like [TS]

01:00:49   Florida and beautiful dark it's almost [TS]

01:00:51   like they're from a different time it's [TS]

01:00:52   like they're from a different time that [TS]

01:00:54   different values so we Catholics are our [TS]

01:00:57   there's a large proportion of the [TS]

01:00:59   philosophical Catholics whoo-hoo imagine [TS]

01:01:02   some future day when people will look [TS]

01:01:04   back in time and say how could we have [TS]

01:01:06   sat how could our forefathers of SAT [TS]

01:01:08   idly by during this genocide of souls [TS]

01:01:13   but also at the same time if I may [TS]

01:01:15   compare the amount of volunteer time [TS]

01:01:18   five of your ne5 your friends spent vs [TS]

01:01:20   in average sampling of five people from [TS]

01:01:23   your local parish people who are like it [TS]

01:01:25   tremendously involved in good causes and [TS]

01:01:28   like trying to be Stewart's of trying to [TS]

01:01:30   trying to fit a certain New Testament [TS]

01:01:32   idea of good works right right well and [TS]

01:01:34   and and again i say i'm saying they're [TS]

01:01:37   not bad he's up an end up in a tower [TS]

01:01:38   with some sandwiches and toilet paper [TS]

01:01:40   taking shots of people you know [TS]

01:01:41   no they're not bad you know there and [TS]

01:01:43   and I and I and this guy is just one of [TS]

01:01:45   thousands of people i know on that side [TS]

01:01:48   of the fence you know who and some of [TS]

01:01:50   them are really really philosophical but [TS]

01:01:52   it begins at this initial premise and so [TS]

01:01:55   he wrote on my facebook page you know [TS]

01:01:57   can I please ask you to take this post [TS]

01:02:01   down in respect of the millions of souls [TS]

01:02:07   that are you know that and then and he [TS]

01:02:09   used some inflammatory language at that [TS]

01:02:11   point [TS]

01:02:12   you know a few a few adjectives like it [TS]

01:02:15   but equivalent to you putting up a [TS]

01:02:17   picture of Auschwitz on an elie wiesel [TS]

01:02:19   page [TS]

01:02:20   yeah like you come onto that that's not [TS]

01:02:21   cool but he's he's a friend of mine he [TS]

01:02:25   respects me he follows me he is you know [TS]

01:02:27   he's one of what i would consider to be [TS]

01:02:31   my or season in my orbit and this and I [TS]

01:02:35   and I got into his sandbox right and [TS]

01:02:38   he's a supporter of obama and hillary [TS]

01:02:41   but this is his mhm yeah you know his [TS]

01:02:44   little like core issue at the center of [TS]

01:02:48   his world at the center of his vision of [TS]

01:02:51   the world and and I wrote him back very [TS]

01:02:53   bright [TS]

01:02:54   I didn't write him back because we're [TS]

01:02:57   living in this shit world where all I [TS]

01:02:59   did was comment on his golf ball that's [TS]

01:03:02   like David well I didn't write him back [TS]

01:03:04   on market center taper like they should [TS]

01:03:07   wall said I gave him all three laws no i [TS]

01:03:12   didn't know it's like be the Holy [TS]

01:03:13   Trinity that he lost the Father the Son [TS]

01:03:18   of the nominee domini time fav by [TS]

01:03:21   running back and said listen you know [TS]

01:03:23   like in all honesty we have a different [TS]

01:03:29   different foundational idea of the value [TS]

01:03:32   of human life and I do not share your [TS]

01:03:39   view that every life is sacred and so [TS]

01:03:43   forth at the second s of that life [TS]

01:03:44   Trump's this other right now should I [TS]

01:03:48   consider pretty important but within [TS]

01:03:50   that like you have to acknowledge you [TS]

01:03:53   have to just if you're if you're going [TS]

01:03:55   to if you're going to get into that wait [TS]

01:03:57   until you have to just say like I [TS]

01:03:59   because if you say that like there is a [TS]

01:04:02   small amount of sacredness to a life and [TS]

01:04:05   it doesn't and it's not equivalent to [TS]

01:04:08   the right and is a spectrum of sacred [TS]

01:04:10   yeah make your own choices [TS]

01:04:12   there's not really it's like you have to [TS]

01:04:14   say good to yourself sacred sacred [TS]

01:04:17   you're pulling the sacred card when you [TS]

01:04:19   say it's sacred [TS]

01:04:20   like that'sthat's taking it from like em [TS]

01:04:22   don't curse on Sunday don't masturbate [TS]

01:04:25   after [TS]

01:04:25   911 this is more like no sacred that's [TS]

01:04:28   that's a different kind of thing [TS]

01:04:29   yeah well and it's and it's equivalent [TS]

01:04:31   to like why do we why if we kill [TS]

01:04:33   somebody when they're one-month-old is [TS]

01:04:35   it murder and when that when there 8 [TS]

01:04:37   months old in the woman's not murder [TS]

01:04:39   we have in we have within us we have [TS]

01:04:43   made within our laws and within our [TS]

01:04:44   minds some uh honestly some pretty [TS]

01:04:50   arbitrary decision about what almost [TS]

01:04:53   everything is there are many spectra in [TS]

01:04:55   life in there are hard decisions to make [TS]

01:04:58   about spectrum but if you act like [TS]

01:04:59   there's not a spectrum not sure [TS]

01:05:02   science is gonna hold up so well and so [TS]

01:05:04   but they're so there's a spectrum right [TS]

01:05:06   and a lot of that is is legal and a lot [TS]

01:05:09   of it is moral and your point of view [TS]

01:05:12   almost every decision anyone has ever [TS]

01:05:13   made is arbitrary they well they [TS]

01:05:16   certainly they are because in a natural [TS]

01:05:18   state [TS]

01:05:19   we're just I mean we're just pray for [TS]

01:05:22   tigers right but where you know it like [TS]

01:05:24   if you think about think about humans in [TS]

01:05:27   their natural state or whatever I mean [TS]

01:05:29   that's where we're so far down the river [TS]

01:05:32   from that but yeah we're in our [TS]

01:05:34   decisions are predicated on prior [TS]

01:05:37   decisions and the whole idea of [TS]

01:05:38   secretness is predicated on a condom on [TS]

01:05:43   monotheism which is evolved from those [TS]

01:05:47   there that there is there is a God whose [TS]

01:05:49   will is knowable and it's our [TS]

01:05:50   responsibility as the Stewart's of that [TS]

01:05:53   truth to make sure that that is enacted [TS]

01:05:56   in every conceivable way on earth then [TS]

01:05:58   that there's there's a lot of you're [TS]

01:05:59   making a lot of lily pad leaps to get to [TS]

01:06:01   and it's just like you know what is God [TS]

01:06:02   he's a silverback gorilla who's jealous [TS]

01:06:05   of the smaller girl that's from Monday [TS]

01:06:08   cards first meditation so so I wrote him [TS]

01:06:12   and I said you know we're just this is [TS]

01:06:14   we're just foundationally going to be [TS]

01:06:15   work we're never going to come to an [TS]

01:06:18   accord on this because I don't share [TS]

01:06:21   your view that human life is sacred and [TS]

01:06:23   and the problem is that you that the [TS]

01:06:28   people who who have a belief that human [TS]

01:06:30   life is sacred they believe that all a [TS]

01:06:33   all laws and morals that that we live [TS]

01:06:38   live according to proceed from that [TS]

01:06:40   initial premise why be good to each [TS]

01:06:42   other as human life is sacred [TS]

01:06:44   why do we not kill and rape and Eve [TS]

01:06:47   because life is sacred you you proceed [TS]

01:06:51   from that initial idea i get the [TS]

01:06:53   chickens involved with the pig is [TS]

01:06:54   committed [TS]

01:06:55   mm you know think that see that seems [TS]

01:06:58   like a like a Garfield quote you know [TS]

01:07:00   that saying no chicken the chicken then [TS]

01:07:03   goes the tickets hey you know what we [TS]

01:07:05   should start breakfast restaurant and it [TS]

01:07:07   takes is no way in the the hands like [TS]

01:07:10   why not [TS]

01:07:10   and then the pics as well you know [TS]

01:07:12   you're involved but I'm committed [TS]

01:07:14   yeah that's right you're involved but [TS]

01:07:16   i'm committed hands exactly right so so [TS]

01:07:18   the harder case actually falls to the [TS]

01:07:22   liberal in that situation to say i do [TS]

01:07:25   not believe i do not have a foundational [TS]

01:07:28   belief that every life is sacred and yet [TS]

01:07:30   I believe in morality and law and those [TS]

01:07:35   things stem from some costume case some [TS]

01:07:39   initial case that we have we have yet to [TS]

01:07:43   describe em like why in it if if you [TS]

01:07:47   take away the idea that life is sacred [TS]

01:07:49   and that we have that there's a [TS]

01:07:50   monotheistic God why be good to each [TS]

01:07:53   other and the liberal case is constantly [TS]

01:07:56   to say no we are making this argument [TS]

01:07:59   from the rights of man that that that [TS]

01:08:02   are that are operatory that these are [TS]

01:08:06   self-evident rights and you know and [TS]

01:08:08   this is all this all proceeds from from [TS]

01:08:12   a card and lock and jefferson and [TS]

01:08:14   Augustine or whatever you know like like [TS]

01:08:17   it so it is the theory it's the [TS]

01:08:20   philosophy of history and it's happened [TS]

01:08:23   simultaneously with you know with the [TS]

01:08:27   sort of theistic approach which is that [TS]

01:08:31   you cannot divorce these ideas from [TS]

01:08:34   there from the the source the fountain [TS]

01:08:37   which is [TS]

01:08:39   which is a loving God and so the [TS]

01:08:44   innocent secret source where I mean this [TS]

01:08:46   is going to this is eight admittedly a [TS]

01:08:47   stretch where let's say even if you were [TS]

01:08:50   super into the idea of abortion as a [TS]

01:08:52   thing you wouldn't let yourself because [TS]

01:08:54   of the sacred law that passed on to you [TS]

01:08:56   that basically to extend that kind of I [TS]

01:08:59   don't know jurisprudence of God that [TS]

01:09:04   that if this is the law it must be [TS]

01:09:06   followed down the line every single way [TS]

01:09:08   like a but I'm not gonna pick and choose [TS]

01:09:10   which of these things no matter how [TS]

01:09:11   strongly i may be personally for or [TS]

01:09:13   against anything the laws law right you [TS]

01:09:15   can't pick and choose and that's what [TS]

01:09:17   gives the law Authority [TS]

01:09:18   mhm because it represents something [TS]

01:09:20   that's real and not something that you [TS]

01:09:22   just drenched or something that you that [TS]

01:09:26   you believe maybe today and not a year [TS]

01:09:28   from now when you've read a different [TS]

01:09:29   book is where there's a shabbat [TS]

01:09:31   elevators [TS]

01:09:32   it's a shabbat elevate like it was it [TS]

01:09:36   went when they went in the Declaration [TS]

01:09:39   of Independence Jefferson and and Ben [TS]

01:09:41   Franklin collaborating or whatever came [TS]

01:09:43   up with this like we hold these truths [TS]

01:09:45   to be self-evident that all men are [TS]

01:09:47   created equal [TS]

01:09:48   that's an egg's that's a moment where [TS]

01:09:50   they're kicking the ball down the field [TS]

01:09:52   you know they are they are saying we [TS]

01:09:57   hold these truths to be self-evident [TS]

01:09:59   well that's nice how do you hold these [TS]

01:10:01   truths to be self-evident [TS]

01:10:03   I like to show your work sir exact show [TS]

01:10:05   you an F and what they what they were [TS]

01:10:07   playing off of was the you know was the [TS]

01:10:11   intellectual tradition of the as they [TS]

01:10:14   saw it of their immediate forebears and [TS]

01:10:19   of the of thomas mann and so forth [TS]

01:10:21   obviously I'm talking about John Locke [TS]

01:10:23   here know like um sometimes man but but [TS]

01:10:27   you know that they are they're playing [TS]

01:10:29   off of this this deist sort of Rights of [TS]

01:10:34   Man but d ism was you know was a leap [TS]

01:10:37   that that maintained the existence of a [TS]

01:10:40   god so so here we are now 200 years [TS]

01:10:45   later [TS]

01:10:46   oh my god 204 most 50 years later yeah i [TS]

01:10:49   know i was just introduced to remember [TS]

01:10:51   them by [TS]

01:10:51   centennial quarters how you want to [TS]

01:10:52   collect those still have them i still [TS]

01:10:54   have the clich├ęd yeah we are still [TS]

01:10:59   kicking that ball down the field from [TS]

01:11:00   the liberal side [TS]

01:11:02   yeah and we continue to do a poor job at [TS]

01:11:05   this yesterday where were we really into [TS]

01:11:07   Hamilton in our house and there's so [TS]

01:11:09   many lines so many great lines and we [TS]

01:11:11   end up talking about and she's like no [TS]

01:11:12   time just like my darling to tell me [TS]

01:11:14   again like which one is the one that had [TS]

01:11:16   slaves and I was like tell us jefferson [TS]

01:11:18   and things as much as I love the [TS]

01:11:20   Alexander Hamilton musical I'm I think [TS]

01:11:21   I'm more on kind of Jefferson side on a [TS]

01:11:23   lot of issues with but with that said [TS]

01:11:25   yeah the guy who wrote that he totally [TS]

01:11:27   had slaves well had slaves and had sex [TS]

01:11:30   with his lips I mean they all had I mean [TS]

01:11:32   Hamilton didn't have slaves because he [TS]

01:11:34   was poor [TS]

01:11:34   that's right but how does a bastard [TS]

01:11:36   orphan son of a whore and a Scotsman [TS]

01:11:39   ones that was Angelica Skylar said we [TS]

01:11:41   hold these truths to be self-evident [TS]

01:11:42   that all men are created equal and when [TS]

01:11:44   women sequel [TS]

01:11:48   yeah I worked in the mammal to decide [TS]

01:11:54   you're so we got Thomas man we got [TS]

01:11:57   deists we got to abortion facebook [TS]

01:11:59   yeah abortion facebook i don't know how [TS]

01:12:01   i didn't comment on this episode please [TS]

01:12:03   send to rock on the line at example.com [TS]

01:12:05   one of our operators will be standing by [TS]

01:12:09   this episode will never air [TS]

01:12:11   uh-huh I really really really want i I [TS]

01:12:14   really want the I want those of us that [TS]

01:12:17   share this world this liberal world to [TS]

01:12:21   do more self-examination to join the [TS]

01:12:23   club Johnny I know man I I you know and [TS]

01:12:26   like and the thing is there's so much i [TS]

01:12:28   am not going to fucking talk about on [TS]

01:12:29   this podcast because i don't think i [TS]

01:12:32   heard about technology [TS]

01:12:33   mhm think about this one I'm not saying [TS]

01:12:35   I have a feeling about this but i'm just [TS]

01:12:36   going to toss this out i happen to be [TS]

01:12:38   very much on I'm very simpatico with the [TS]

01:12:41   people say you know what can we please [TS]

01:12:43   stop killing the black people i think we [TS]

01:12:45   need to stop killing black people i [TS]

01:12:47   agree i think we should start with the [TS]

01:12:49   black people i know that i know it's [TS]

01:12:52   it's a bold bold stance on my very brave [TS]

01:12:55   bold stance when I say I stand before [TS]

01:12:57   you today today gives you a chance we [TS]

01:12:59   could stop killing black people now [TS]

01:13:01   here's the thing [TS]

01:13:03   follow me on this and and don't don't [TS]

01:13:06   kill me [TS]

01:13:06   uh the leap from let's stop killing [TS]

01:13:09   black people to guns are playing for [TS]

01:13:11   this is a leap that is not even a leap [TS]

01:13:14   for most of my friends and I personally [TS]

01:13:16   I I'd like to see fewer of the guns to [TS]

01:13:17   write but then the leap from let's stop [TS]

01:13:20   killing by people so maybe not so many [TS]

01:13:22   guns you are actually at this point [TS]

01:13:24   strangely close to saying to a lot of [TS]

01:13:26   people in America you're responsible for [TS]

01:13:28   black people being killed [TS]

01:13:29   whether you realize it or not when you [TS]

01:13:31   say that not again I don't have a dog in [TS]

01:13:33   this fight i'm just here to say that i'm [TS]

01:13:35   telling you if you go and read what [TS]

01:13:36   people on the other side here when [TS]

01:13:38   people say that something i happen to [TS]

01:13:39   agree with what they are going to hear [TS]

01:13:41   is like not only are you trying to take [TS]

01:13:44   our guns away but you're essentially [TS]

01:13:45   accusing me of murder because I I have a [TS]

01:13:49   gun that's what it sounds like those [TS]

01:13:51   people i'm going to say that's right [TS]

01:13:53   wrong or otherwise I just want you to [TS]

01:13:54   think about it i will know the harder [TS]

01:13:56   the harder even thing to get your head [TS]

01:13:59   around is that even if you take the guns [TS]

01:14:01   out of the equation and you just say [TS]

01:14:04   listen the cops the white cops in the [TS]

01:14:07   South do not see blacks as full-humans [TS]

01:14:12   the evidence that we see is all I can [TS]

01:14:15   almost guarantee you is just barely even [TS]

01:14:18   the tip of an iceberg for a much deeper [TS]

01:14:20   cultural disconnect about how these [TS]

01:14:22   folks treated and what what what ends up [TS]

01:14:24   happening is that the left takes on a [TS]

01:14:27   very lecturing tone volume on your exit [TS]

01:14:31   John you know a lot of people came [TS]

01:14:32   brexit experts for experts [TS]

01:14:33   dude i'm up for expert i got to be a [TS]

01:14:35   break but really fast i know it took me [TS]

01:14:37   almost eight hours you want you want to [TS]

01:14:38   you want to read some of my tweets their [TS]

01:14:40   top shelf week he sound like Donald [TS]

01:14:43   Trump my tweets on this is going to be [TS]

01:14:45   huge people are gonna love it [TS]

01:14:47   my people at making friends on the [TS]

01:14:51   internet today the left the left has [TS]

01:14:55   this culture right where we take we take [TS]

01:14:57   in this is the biggest women stuff and [TS]

01:15:01   we say we say very briefly something [TS]

01:15:05   about our own privilege to indicate that [TS]

01:15:09   we are on the on the good side we're on [TS]

01:15:12   the right way we got ourselves a Hall [TS]

01:15:14   Pass [TS]

01:15:14   yeah we say you know as someone [TS]

01:15:16   and you know as a white ally or we say [TS]

01:15:19   something we said say something that [TS]

01:15:20   mitigates our our our experience just [TS]

01:15:24   enough that we absolvo ourselves of [TS]

01:15:26   complicity and then we immediately [TS]

01:15:28   adopted hectoring lecturing tone to ward [TS]

01:15:31   everyone else that we presume it are [TS]

01:15:35   less enlightened right didn't you go [TS]

01:15:37   back and read my timeline and what I had [TS]

01:15:38   to say about this I can't believe we're [TS]

01:15:39   still talking about this [TS]

01:15:41   right right but in the meantime largely [TS]

01:15:44   living in white enclaves largely [TS]

01:15:47   benefiting from systems that are you [TS]

01:15:51   more or less a like systematized [TS]

01:15:56   segregation and there isn't enough real [TS]

01:16:03   reckoning and it doesn't have to [TS]

01:16:05   it doesn't have to take this form of [TS]

01:16:08   like prostration it doesn't really [TS]

01:16:11   involve even like being apologetic fake [TS]

01:16:14   or otherwise it's like a real [TS]

01:16:17   acknowledgement of and and you know and [TS]

01:16:20   hopefully an acknowledgement of your of [TS]

01:16:21   your power without shame [TS]

01:16:24   exactly you know like shame does not not [TS]

01:16:28   empowering it isn't empowering for [TS]

01:16:29   anybody and it doesn't accomplish [TS]

01:16:31   anything except to make you to continue [TS]

01:16:33   making it all about you [TS]

01:16:34   yeah exactly and so to acknowledge your [TS]

01:16:37   privilege in your power and then try to [TS]

01:16:40   find a but to acknowledge it in some [TS]

01:16:42   ways even with pride and say how can I [TS]

01:16:44   now use this privilege map and that's [TS]

01:16:47   mean that the people who are who resist [TS]

01:16:51   the black lives matter narrative Roger [TS]

01:16:56   that are terrific terrific example you [TS]

01:16:58   know it's not just that that they feel [TS]

01:17:00   like they're they feel like their guns [TS]

01:17:02   are I mean that that's that's way down [TS]

01:17:04   the line they're afraid that we're [TS]

01:17:07   saying the cops are you know just the [TS]

01:17:13   only independent depends on how you [TS]

01:17:14   choose to finish that statement that [TS]

01:17:16   doesn't really need to be finished black [TS]

01:17:17   lives matter and to a lot of people here [TS]

01:17:20   that I don't happen to agree but to them [TS]

01:17:22   that statement is all black lives matter [TS]

01:17:24   to the exclusion of other people right [TS]

01:17:27   black lives matter more [TS]

01:17:28   or or lack lives the the fact that black [TS]

01:17:31   lives matter is going to is going to [TS]

01:17:33   translate into more entitlements for [TS]

01:17:36   them who that are not afforded to me and [TS]

01:17:40   I'm also poor so what you know where it [TS]

01:17:43   and I so I how to how to get out of this [TS]

01:17:48   reflective state of liberal apology [TS]

01:17:51   where every where every statement is [TS]

01:17:55   preceded with a caveat that that you [TS]

01:18:00   know that you acknowledge your you [TS]

01:18:03   acknowledge that your voice isn't the [TS]

01:18:06   voice that's needed here or whatever you [TS]

01:18:07   know to to proceed from that into a [TS]

01:18:10   place where we are where we are actively [TS]

01:18:12   trying to make a case and actively [TS]

01:18:15   trying to be articulate about it and [TS]

01:18:17   that begins with us acknowledging what [TS]

01:18:20   our case is huh [TS]

01:18:22   and I don't know how I mean I've spent [TS]

01:18:24   my entire life trying to figure out what [TS]

01:18:27   those words we hold these truths to be [TS]

01:18:29   self-evident mean I mean I really have [TS]

01:18:32   my whole adult life I have turned those [TS]

01:18:35   words over in my head because they are [TS]

01:18:37   that's its Jefferson's way of going uh [TS]

01:18:39   right well I mean like no I'm sorry I'm [TS]

01:18:42   being glib but it's a way of saying [TS]

01:18:43   self-evident is all the in that case [TS]

01:18:45   that's that is his supernal sanction is [TS]

01:18:48   that there's nothing even even beyond [TS]

01:18:50   God and law this is self-evident that [TS]

01:18:53   this is the age of the Age of [TS]

01:18:54   Enlightenment this is something that we [TS]

01:18:55   can look at and and go this equals [TS]

01:18:57   equals this like this is truth [TS]

01:19:00   well and that the thing is that my that [TS]

01:19:03   the founders were really at odds with [TS]

01:19:06   one another about this mm and Jeff and [TS]

01:19:09   my understanding my understanding of it [TS]

01:19:11   is that Jefferson actually his first [TS]

01:19:19   draft actually used a lot more sort of [TS]

01:19:23   quasi religious language and it was it [TS]

01:19:29   was Ben Franklin who sort of made the [TS]

01:19:32   suggestion of the term self-evident [TS]

01:19:35   because you know Jefferson was maybe [TS]

01:19:38   more of a [TS]

01:19:40   more of a DSS and and initially said we [TS]

01:19:46   hold these truths to be sacred and [TS]

01:19:49   franklin was the one that said that [TS]

01:19:53   implies too much that introduces too [TS]

01:19:57   much God and let's let's change it and [TS]

01:20:02   so that collaboration between them [TS]

01:20:04   Jefferson the sort of scientific New [TS]

01:20:07   Englander I'm sorry Franklin the [TS]

01:20:10   scientific New Englander vs Jefferson [TS]

01:20:12   was sort of scientific southern [TS]

01:20:15   philosopher you know I mean just the [TS]

01:20:18   just those two the push and pull between [TS]

01:20:21   between those two you know interacts but [TS]

01:20:27   it'sit's such a kick the can down the [TS]

01:20:29   road moment like so bad i mean if he had [TS]

01:20:31   said sacred we hold these truths to be [TS]

01:20:32   sacred we would be in a bit I think [TS]

01:20:35   would be a different country and I think [TS]

01:20:37   we'd be arguing it from a different [TS]

01:20:38   place because we would be people that [TS]

01:20:41   share my world view would be at a [TS]

01:20:43   disadvantage right now we would be [TS]

01:20:44   saying like if it I you know like if it [TS]

01:20:47   isn't sacred then what is it then the [TS]

01:20:51   whole than the the whole edifice starts [TS]

01:20:54   to crumble and Franklin just got this [TS]

01:20:56   little he just planted this pole there [TS]

01:21:00   with self-evident undefined and it's [TS]

01:21:07   given us this it's given us 250 years to [TS]

01:21:10   debate it and here we are still [TS]

01:21:15   I'll put it out don't worry I wouldn't [TS]

01:21:28   why would why would you not [TS]

01:21:29   of course it would where are you going [TS]

01:21:31   to end it there with the lip-smacking [TS]

01:21:32   all feedback goes to Roderick online and [TS]

01:21:36   example.com its mark on the line at [TS]

01:21:40   example.com whatever you do people get [TS]

01:21:42   out there and folk holy shit [TS]

01:21:50   oh my goodness oh it was good [TS]