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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 210: "Parents and Other Dingalings"

 

00:00:00   this episode of Roderick on the line is [TS]

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00:00:08   that's Friday August fifth 2016 at the [TS]

00:00:11   murat theater in Indianapolis to learn [TS]

00:00:14   more and buy your ticket now visit cards [TS]

00:00:16   against humanity calm / concert [TS]

00:00:24   Lowe aye jaan hyper blue my job how's it [TS]

00:00:29   going good together [TS]

00:00:33   it's early is really it's early you're [TS]

00:00:36   on time today man [TS]

00:00:37   yeah well yeah turn clocked n just like [TS]

00:00:41   every just like every time [TS]

00:00:43   right on right on the button yeah [TS]

00:00:44   buttons yeah hi I one of those nights [TS]

00:00:50   last night were just could not stay [TS]

00:00:53   asleep [TS]

00:00:54   that's the worst a dryad some kind of [TS]

00:00:57   had some kind of dream that there was a [TS]

00:00:58   spider i woke up and i had to move on my [TS]

00:01:02   pillows around [TS]

00:01:03   no no and then I was like I can't go [TS]

00:01:05   back to sleep there's a spider in my [TS]

00:01:06   pillows course there wasn't [TS]

00:01:09   oh I mean not be right not per se [TS]

00:01:12   you're right but the dream that I had [TS]

00:01:14   about the spider was a dream not [TS]

00:01:15   reflective the number spiders that were [TS]

00:01:18   in my pillows and then I i I'm doing [TS]

00:01:22   admin on now you got up and get admin [TS]

00:01:25   right about three or 330 the morning I [TS]

00:01:27   was like you know what it's about time I [TS]

00:01:28   joined snapchat oh good for you that you [TS]

00:01:31   can win as the light comes with the [TS]

00:01:32   ghost I have well you know I joined it [TS]

00:01:34   and I went through you know I went [TS]

00:01:36   through the rigmarole and then I got in [TS]

00:01:39   there and I was like what I'm going to [TS]

00:01:41   start snapchatting right now I'm not [TS]

00:01:44   going to choose my mama choose my avatar [TS]

00:01:46   right now four o'clock in the morning [TS]

00:01:48   and you're crazy if I ask I've got some [TS]

00:01:50   sense and so yeah I woke up this morning [TS]

00:01:54   some congratulations from people about [TS]

00:01:56   my having joint snapchat which felt good [TS]

00:01:59   that felt good little bit @midnight [TS]

00:02:02   street just keep lines right just just [TS]

00:02:04   keeping the lines right and I I what [TS]

00:02:06   else do they do hope [TS]

00:02:07   oh I or haha i organized my apps on your [TS]

00:02:13   phone [TS]

00:02:14   yeah I gotta love doing that got rid of [TS]

00:02:16   some I move them around holders folders [TS]

00:02:19   folders I didn't you know I folder a few [TS]

00:02:21   let's be honest [TS]

00:02:23   yeah but you know I was more like this [TS]

00:02:24   is the literary page of the apps and [TS]

00:02:28   this one is the banking page you know [TS]

00:02:31   like that [TS]

00:02:32   this one is the one of all the of all [TS]

00:02:34   the Astronomy ones me it's like [TS]

00:02:37   as in your library yeah that's right so [TS]

00:02:39   i did some of that feeling doesn't also [TS]

00:02:41   feel good to get rid of one's here's my [TS]

00:02:43   test if i'm not sure what this does [TS]

00:02:45   i isolated the Sun is a positive ago I [TS]

00:02:47   don't really remember what this does [TS]

00:02:49   yeah well I went through a phase where I [TS]

00:02:51   really believed yeah yeah [TS]

00:02:54   do you have one of those five-year [TS]

00:02:55   Diaries I'm unfamiliar with him but I [TS]

00:02:58   don't maintain one [TS]

00:02:59   yeah I've all you know for the last five [TS]

00:03:01   years I've had a five-year diary sitting [TS]

00:03:03   on top of bookshelf read more every [TS]

00:03:05   morning I look at remember tomorrow is [TS]

00:03:07   the day I'm gonna start keeping a [TS]

00:03:09   five-year diary wouldn't that be a great [TS]

00:03:10   thing to have any great thing to have [TS]

00:03:12   wouldn't that be great to look back and [TS]

00:03:14   say I kept that diary for five years and [TS]

00:03:16   here it is a record for everyone haven't [TS]

00:03:20   been doing it if I had one for the last [TS]

00:03:22   five years boy what a resource it would [TS]

00:03:24   be yeah yeah yeah I love for phor like I [TS]

00:03:29   just where your head was on a given day [TS]

00:03:31   yeah you know what my my mom and dad [TS]

00:03:34   kept check registers oh yeah sure but in [TS]

00:03:41   between that in your phonebook you know [TS]

00:03:43   your phone address book em does remove [TS]

00:03:45   those are real documents in the house [TS]

00:03:47   yeah I've got check registers from my [TS]

00:03:49   folks and back into the seventies and [TS]

00:03:52   you can just flip through it's like oh [TS]

00:03:54   well here's that here is the actual [TS]

00:03:56   entry for the for the check that paid [TS]

00:03:58   for the first piano lesson [TS]

00:04:01   Wow and it happened on this day you know [TS]

00:04:03   it's like really heavy particularly we [TS]

00:04:07   know what my folks were like you know [TS]

00:04:12   what they were kind of fighting for [TS]

00:04:13   custody for a while I mean it's very [TS]

00:04:15   interesting to see like how much time [TS]

00:04:16   actually spent with them what we were [TS]

00:04:18   doing so five-year you know five your [TS]

00:04:21   diary to have all this stuff like today [TS]

00:04:23   we went to the zoo yesterday we went to [TS]

00:04:25   the zoo go to the zoo every day our [TS]

00:04:29   lives are totally on changing from day [TS]

00:04:31   to day but it's fun to deal with like [TS]

00:04:33   say quicken exactly [TS]

00:04:35   yeah exactly and so so there was a there [TS]

00:04:37   was a little brief period there where I [TS]

00:04:39   downloaded a couple of apps that were [TS]

00:04:42   like take a picture of yourself everyday [TS]

00:04:44   sure it was Adam Lanza gore the got me [TS]

00:04:46   thinking about it because he did some [TS]

00:04:48   he's insane face channel [TS]

00:04:51   was a cult I don't know some he's got 10 [TS]

00:04:53   million apps [TS]

00:04:54   uh-huh i was one about the animals [TS]

00:04:56   before I remember that easy take a [TS]

00:04:58   picture and then you can make that into [TS]

00:04:59   like an animation that shows your aging [TS]

00:05:00   yeah right [TS]

00:05:02   yes he was sitting on a park bench sadly [TS]

00:05:05   eating a sandwich yeah but he took a [TS]

00:05:06   picture of himself each time here i am [TS]

00:05:09   sort of you know I'm I mean Adam I'm the [TS]

00:05:12   lovable sandwich eating guy that that [TS]

00:05:15   and now look at me look at me for a [TS]

00:05:17   whole year sad sandwich eating guy every [TS]

00:05:20   day I wanted to be that so I downloaded [TS]

00:05:24   some of these i took some pictures of [TS]

00:05:25   myself every day for like two weeks six [TS]

00:05:28   days and then I forgot to keep doing it [TS]

00:05:31   and so I deleted all those I'm trying to [TS]

00:05:36   there's a ringtone i really want [TS]

00:05:38   I've never wanted a ringtone before the [TS]

00:05:40   acapella one I could tell when I really [TS]

00:05:42   want this will be more than happy to [TS]

00:05:43   help you with this i have an appt made [TS]

00:05:45   by my friend fucking fascist where you [TS]

00:05:47   just you take the take the fall you drop [TS]

00:05:49   it on their transition ringtown easy [TS]

00:05:51   peasy lemon squeezy [TS]

00:05:53   but i wanna i want to edit it oh yeah [TS]

00:05:54   you know I don't want you also has an [TS]

00:05:57   app for that coefficient love this I [TS]

00:05:59   love that there's a map for no we [TS]

00:06:00   haven't done super tech support in [TS]

00:06:01   awhile [TS]

00:06:02   no that's true I you know there's a lot [TS]

00:06:04   of things so I want this I want this [TS]

00:06:05   thing i downloaded two apps and I spent [TS]

00:06:09   I swear to you two hours in itunes just [TS]

00:06:12   trying to figure out how to work it now [TS]

00:06:14   yeah i think is not a good place to [TS]

00:06:16   start anything every time you know used [TS]

00:06:18   to be your itunes five choices you go i [TS]

00:06:20   might get a little bit like a dream [TS]

00:06:22   because you're pretty sure it's like oh [TS]

00:06:24   it was my music collection but it wasn't [TS]

00:06:26   and you were there but you weren't and [TS]

00:06:28   my rents demos with not there and they [TS]

00:06:30   should have been [TS]

00:06:31   yeah and meanwhile every time i would [TS]

00:06:33   try to get a push the button i'd get [TS]

00:06:36   into something like this is where I want [TS]

00:06:38   to be in my I try to back out of it [TS]

00:06:40   good luck tonight have been kind of [TS]

00:06:41   backed out of it had to back all the way [TS]

00:06:43   to Paraguay and I'm sitting around i [TS]

00:06:45   don't speak spanish it's like what how [TS]

00:06:47   to make it to Paraguay was way no not [TS]

00:06:49   explain oh so I stopped doing that is [TS]

00:06:51   don't have the ringtone well i'll be [TS]

00:06:53   happy to help you with that I woke up [TS]

00:06:55   this morning Merlin to and I had an idea [TS]

00:07:01   that one day I would wake up to this [TS]

00:07:03   acapella wonderful [TS]

00:07:04   acapella music still well there's a lot [TS]

00:07:10   in there and you have to tell you you're [TS]

00:07:12   getting into here is a very John [TS]

00:07:13   Roderick topic i think really does not [TS]

00:07:15   run well just because like for myself [TS]

00:07:17   like at all [TS]

00:07:18   you know I'm not really do anything I [TS]

00:07:20   don't have that much stuff to do but sit [TS]

00:07:22   there and get just get started a little [TS]

00:07:23   bit with the with manscaping my apps and [TS]

00:07:27   then you know 45 minutes goes by the [TS]

00:07:29   first of all all the games that my [TS]

00:07:31   daughter has downloaded are now pushing [TS]

00:07:32   everything way off the screen just have [TS]

00:07:34   pages and pages of games about cooking [TS]

00:07:36   and so I just dropped one on the other [TS]

00:07:38   makes a folder called games and then I [TS]

00:07:40   drop drop drop drop then I couldn't fix [TS]

00:07:42   a photocall games job gonna drop drop [TS]

00:07:45   drop drop drop drop drop drop it all [TS]

00:07:47   right in there but no but I think [TS]

00:07:49   there's something I wish Apple would [TS]

00:07:51   help us a little bit with that I mean I [TS]

00:07:53   kind of feel like there's two things one [TS]

00:07:54   giant wish and a small wish the giant [TS]

00:07:56   wishes i wish you would really really [TS]

00:07:58   kind it does this with that little [TS]

00:08:00   screen to the last but I would really [TS]

00:08:01   realize hey dingaling you know you got [TS]

00:08:04   200 apps on there but like here's the [TS]

00:08:06   six you use constantly and here is the [TS]

00:08:10   30 you've used in the last month and [TS]

00:08:12   automatically you know move dumb stuff [TS]

00:08:14   away i don't drive some people crazy but [TS]

00:08:17   yeah i would i would like that because I [TS]

00:08:19   guess I get sick of moving the stuff [TS]

00:08:21   from but it's very i find it very [TS]

00:08:22   rewarding try to find a recent ringtone [TS]

00:08:24   I've got oh I'm not familiar with the [TS]

00:08:26   with the work of the the comedian Patton [TS]

00:08:28   Oswalt yes but there's something that I [TS]

00:08:31   yell at Mike at several times a day [TS]

00:08:33   it's not one of his routine so I made [TS]

00:08:34   that into my ringtone here we go of you [TS]

00:08:36   doing [TS]

00:08:36   no format just got a problem let's see [TS]

00:08:38   here what are you doing huh [TS]

00:08:42   so I like yelled at my cats are all that [TS]

00:08:44   time I tell her she's a hideous monster [TS]

00:08:45   and when she moves from one room to [TS]

00:08:47   another I say what are you doing [TS]

00:08:49   see this is what I want I want our full [TS]

00:08:53   of fun [TS]

00:08:54   yes I wanted to be full of me and [TS]

00:08:56   Johnny's are your device's you should be [TS]

00:08:58   having fun with this [TS]

00:08:59   you should get you should get turned [TS]

00:09:01   crunk and you should get on fleek I [TS]

00:09:03   should yes I should these are some of my [TS]

00:09:06   squad goals [TS]

00:09:07   yes squad pound sign squad goals i [TS]

00:09:10   should have all my devices should [TS]

00:09:13   represent the inner me [TS]

00:09:15   oh god yes write me when I'm fucked up [TS]

00:09:17   that's the real me elbow you kidding me [TS]

00:09:20   huh and i want it i don't know when [TS]

00:09:22   you're in the club John it is getting [TS]

00:09:25   hot in here [TS]

00:09:26   this is what I want my others want this [TS]

00:09:29   television while I want no part of you [TS]

00:09:34   want i want to be one of these fun guys [TS]

00:09:40   who's opening his garage door remotely [TS]

00:09:42   and I want mine with the matter how a [TS]

00:09:43   device [TS]

00:09:44   yes and I want my phone to go we can we [TS]

00:09:47   can we can do whatever I wanted to do [TS]

00:09:49   where's my phone that's what my phone [TS]

00:09:51   should say where's my phone so I don't [TS]

00:09:55   have I have no access to some of these [TS]

00:09:58   worlds [TS]

00:09:58   yeah and there and I feel I feel like [TS]

00:10:03   I'm just life is passing me by [TS]

00:10:05   oh my gosh what are we going to college [TS]

00:10:07   photo photo photo fear of missing out [TS]

00:10:10   the College of the millenniums college [TS]

00:10:12   yeah yeah i was sitting I was watching [TS]

00:10:14   people catching pok√©mon's yeah and [TS]

00:10:16   wonderful thing about people who are [TS]

00:10:17   catching pokemon is that they are very [TS]

00:10:19   nice and very happy to tell you what [TS]

00:10:21   they're having fun they're having fun in [TS]

00:10:24   there and so I you know and I'm a [TS]

00:10:25   curious person who so i say which [TS]

00:10:27   Pokemon are we catching today and they [TS]

00:10:29   say well you know here's some of the [TS]

00:10:31   pokemon's that we are waiting to see [TS]

00:10:33   Spahn and you know they're saying all of [TS]

00:10:36   it while there while they're watching to [TS]

00:10:38   see pokemon to all appearances [TS]

00:10:40   photographing the sidewalk right so [TS]

00:10:43   they're not you know they're kind of got [TS]

00:10:44   busy photographing the sidewalk did what [TS]

00:10:46   they sort of look up they make a little [TS]

00:10:48   bit of eye contact because they're all [TS]

00:10:49   very nice people but then they're back [TS]

00:10:51   to the the the game [TS]

00:10:53   yeah I still don't understand it and I [TS]

00:10:55   and I'm curious about it I don't know [TS]

00:10:57   what minecraft is like I'm I'm so i'll [TS]

00:11:02   explain my minecraft is is explainable [TS]

00:11:03   in very and very cool to try to swing [TS]

00:11:06   the tide [TS]

00:11:06   I gotta fly I have not and will not play [TS]

00:11:08   hooky man's game but here's what I'll [TS]

00:11:10   give your line huh [TS]

00:11:11   when you catch another EV try that one [TS]

00:11:13   EV yeah but you get another EV are v's [TS]

00:11:17   fairly common thats pokeyman yeah [TS]

00:11:19   there's pokeyman called ed and I think [TS]

00:11:21   there's a lot of those and people you [TS]

00:11:23   gotta catch em all right here with my [TS]

00:11:25   reasons I won't do it but you know III [TS]

00:11:28   can have two minds about this is [TS]

00:11:29   absolutely not for me but I I'm very [TS]

00:11:31   happy that people are having fun with it [TS]

00:11:32   and I'm going to get into the whole [TS]

00:11:34   recruiting outside shut up Kelly having [TS]

00:11:37   your line don't you [TS]

00:11:38   pokemon is that your mom no excuse me [TS]

00:11:41   out no my daughter has you know she [TS]

00:11:44   likes the polka bands but she and she's [TS]

00:11:46   expressed an interest in it but i have [TS]

00:11:49   been mostly nude about it because that's [TS]

00:11:51   not a franchise that I want to get into [TS]

00:11:53   I was not right because our did they [TS]

00:11:55   support David Duke or something like [TS]

00:11:57   what's so bad about pokemon listen [TS]

00:11:58   people love me [TS]

00:12:00   yeah that stuff I do is tremendous [TS]

00:12:02   everyone says I've been very successful [TS]

00:12:03   know and uh and you know i have to look [TS]

00:12:06   into that [TS]

00:12:08   so we know it's just it's just you know [TS]

00:12:12   I don't know she's just she really [TS]

00:12:17   expressed an interest will get into it [TS]

00:12:19   but you know it's my big question why is [TS]

00:12:21   she / downloading 25,000 games where you [TS]

00:12:25   pay extra money to put a cherry on top [TS]

00:12:27   of an ice cream cone to your phone [TS]

00:12:30   why does she not have a room god this is [TS]

00:12:32   not a particular interesting answer i'm [TS]

00:12:34   happy to share with you first of all we [TS]

00:12:35   have something called family sharing [TS]

00:12:36   which means that once one of us has [TS]

00:12:39   gotten for free or bought a nap it's [TS]

00:12:42   accessible to the others and she's using [TS]

00:12:44   one of my devices which is going to get [TS]

00:12:46   this this free game I said sure and so [TS]

00:12:49   point number two we either either x [TS]

00:12:52   games for money or we get free games and [TS]

00:12:55   we we don't do in app purchases like we [TS]

00:12:57   don't we don't buy magic coins and stuff [TS]

00:12:59   we don't buy magic coins now now now I [TS]

00:13:01   mean when she gets to the point where [TS]

00:13:02   she has an allowance that can be a dumb [TS]

00:13:04   thing we argue about but now she wants [TS]

00:13:05   the cooking games are fun you know you [TS]

00:13:07   are you have to cook things you get you [TS]

00:13:09   go on you know make some teriyaki or [TS]

00:13:12   something no part of that is fun it's [TS]

00:13:14   fun for a little kid it's it's it's sort [TS]

00:13:16   of like plan threes remember that [TS]

00:13:18   diabolical game we hate it's not like [TS]

00:13:20   that we like you you know these little [TS]

00:13:21   motions i still play three i played [TS]

00:13:23   three yesterday at my feeling about [TS]

00:13:24   three was i I went through a long period [TS]

00:13:27   where I didn't play threes [TS]

00:13:28   mhm i have not gotten any better I still [TS]

00:13:30   max out at around nine thousand and I [TS]

00:13:32   was like thousands and thousands of [TS]

00:13:34   games and I can't get past like 9,000 [TS]

00:13:36   it's very hard to get better and I have [TS]

00:13:38   this weird sense that I used to be [TS]

00:13:41   better at it than I am I don't do you [TS]

00:13:44   remember we used to talk about threes on [TS]

00:13:47   our program in the early days and i [TS]

00:13:48   remember having some high score you have [TS]

00:13:51   you your score was much how you're [TS]

00:13:52   definitely in the in the five digits I [TS]

00:13:54   think you were in the high five digits [TS]

00:13:56   well I i remember being able to you know [TS]

00:13:59   to to accomplish amazing feats with in [TS]

00:14:02   threes and now i can no longer [TS]

00:14:04   accomplish amazing feats it feels like [TS]

00:14:06   Three's has been feels like the the [TS]

00:14:08   algorithm has changed we have to change [TS]

00:14:10   the algorithm really read the encryption [TS]

00:14:12   I feel like they rewrote the encryption [TS]

00:14:13   and you know every time you're about to [TS]

00:14:16   create an amazing feat they just give [TS]

00:14:18   you seven red ones they give you blue on [TS]

00:14:20   the wrong side and you're like were when [TS]

00:14:22   you're dead [TS]

00:14:23   Asher we were we visited with the [TS]

00:14:25   developer that came and he told us that [TS]

00:14:26   basically everything we think about that [TS]

00:14:28   game is true it is trying to fuck with [TS]

00:14:30   you on purpose that's why I guess that's [TS]

00:14:31   what makes it a game instead of a mom [TS]

00:14:33   yeah yeah he seem to not understand his [TS]

00:14:36   own game [TS]

00:14:37   yeah or how it worked yeah I'm that's [TS]

00:14:40   essential to being a developer I think [TS]

00:14:41   you just need to know how to get on the [TS]

00:14:42   app store up that was that was that was [TS]

00:14:45   a fun time didn't know I mean you know [TS]

00:14:47   you go through this at some point when [TS]

00:14:49   you when you give up on the things that [TS]

00:14:51   you're good about right now and you know [TS]

00:14:53   your kid will want to do things with [TS]

00:14:54   with games and stuff like that and and [TS]

00:14:57   those are those are pretty harmless [TS]

00:14:58   minecraft is amazing the things i want [TS]

00:15:01   to talk about Minecraft it's basically [TS]

00:15:02   just is basically imagine like a video [TS]

00:15:06   game version of Legos with unlimited [TS]

00:15:07   legos first rule of Minecraft don't know [TS]

00:15:10   about Minecraft to me [TS]

00:15:11   mmm me all along hmm i was in her house [TS]

00:15:15   yesterday and there was a teen there who [TS]

00:15:21   nobody was is preteen but a very [TS]

00:15:24   advanced preteen he was like some [TS]

00:15:26   postgraduate between yeah that's right [TS]

00:15:29   he's right he's right there between he [TS]

00:15:31   has to decide whether he's gonna weather [TS]

00:15:33   is really going to go and do a [TS]

00:15:35   dissertation or whether he's just going [TS]

00:15:36   to become a carpeted tough time for kid [TS]

00:15:38   but he was blues pokemon meaning and his [TS]

00:15:43   mother express a lot of apprehension [TS]

00:15:46   about Pokemon [TS]

00:15:50   not the pokemon itself was bad but [TS]

00:15:52   augmented reality she did not like [TS]

00:15:54   augmented reality and I said well you [TS]

00:15:57   know in a fucking couple years wrong [TS]

00:15:59   maybe it's gonna be the google glass and [TS]

00:16:02   she said haha google glass failed and i [TS]

00:16:07   have this sudden awareness that there [TS]

00:16:08   are many many millions of people who [TS]

00:16:11   think that Google glass failed [TS]

00:16:13   therefore we will never have to deal [TS]

00:16:16   with the idea what we're never going to [TS]

00:16:17   have heads-up displays or there's never [TS]

00:16:18   going to be an experience very you're [TS]

00:16:21   very on point with this I happen to [TS]

00:16:22   totally agree with you [TS]

00:16:24   yes very people's idea about this stuff [TS]

00:16:26   like so many things because very [TS]

00:16:28   short-sighted based on like what's [TS]

00:16:30   available right now [TS]

00:16:31   yeah right like what failed i'm like [TS]

00:16:33   yeah well because it was because they [TS]

00:16:36   were it was a beta asking and it looked [TS]

00:16:38   dumb like this place with 17 wings fell [TS]

00:16:40   off a cliff why we're gonna bother [TS]

00:16:41   fighting over who would even joke like I [TS]

00:16:43   said it's all set up and playing piano [TS]

00:16:44   music [TS]

00:16:45   exactly today look at the airplanes of [TS]

00:16:49   1907 and then will you know let's talk [TS]

00:16:52   to the airplanes of 1925 you know there [TS]

00:16:54   were there were a lot of hilarious [TS]

00:16:56   airplanes and now we're still using them [TS]

00:16:58   anyway I was saying listen you know life [TS]

00:17:00   is going to be like a mario brothers she [TS]

00:17:04   was like no and I said yeah here's your [TS]

00:17:07   augmented reality you walk out the door [TS]

00:17:09   and pokemon is it is is is introducing [TS]

00:17:12   this now to everybody [TS]

00:17:14   people will do this so you as a company [TS]

00:17:16   can do it too [TS]

00:17:17   you're walking down the street and here [TS]

00:17:19   here's a little thing that's like if you [TS]

00:17:21   grab the coin you get a free ice cream [TS]

00:17:23   climate Donald's bling [TS]

00:17:25   no that's augmentation already like whoa [TS]

00:17:28   you know catch em all and released in [TS]

00:17:30   here running down the street catching [TS]

00:17:32   coins on your way to the nearest [TS]

00:17:34   mcdonalds where those coins will if you [TS]

00:17:36   catch enough of them will add up to a [TS]

00:17:39   cheeseburger and you know and it's just [TS]

00:17:42   going to be that's going to be [TS]

00:17:43   everywhere unless it and you'll be able [TS]

00:17:45   to obviously turn it off because I'm [TS]

00:17:47   gonna be busy walking around looking at [TS]

00:17:50   your phone my augmented reality is going [TS]

00:17:52   to me all of the places you can access [TS]

00:17:54   Seattle's underground sewer Network [TS]

00:17:56   right all the manhole covers that are [TS]

00:17:59   unlocked [TS]

00:18:00   but these little mcdonald coins are [TS]

00:18:02   gonna be popping up and people are going [TS]

00:18:04   to be saying that everybody's gonna have [TS]

00:18:06   a little lightbulb over their head to [TS]

00:18:08   like elucidating their marriage status [TS]

00:18:11   oh IC acting before I used to be a [TS]

00:18:14   reality is going to be very augmented [TS]

00:18:16   they're not very long [TS]

00:18:18   yeah and this time this mom that i was [TS]

00:18:21   talking to was younger than me but she [TS]

00:18:23   did not want anything to do with it [TS]

00:18:25   yeah i mean hi [TS]

00:18:28   that's right my bad i'm talking about [TS]

00:18:30   this a lot lately and it because you [TS]

00:18:31   know i think it's an important thing to [TS]

00:18:33   everyone's talking about it this one [TS]

00:18:34   other programs with other people [TS]

00:18:35   yeah so then that's too well here's I [TS]

00:18:38   mean you're there are several parts to [TS]

00:18:40   this i mean one of the things is that [TS]

00:18:42   what I think as you get older it's [TS]

00:18:43   harder and harder not to suffer from [TS]

00:18:45   which is to develop these heuristics for [TS]

00:18:47   the things that you're going to dismiss [TS]

00:18:49   because you either at first you don't [TS]

00:18:50   understand them they seem silly or they [TS]

00:18:53   seem dangerous and you never bothered to [TS]

00:18:55   learn much more than the thing that they [TS]

00:18:57   showed on the news for two minutes and [TS]

00:18:59   that's that's not any way to grow as a [TS]

00:19:01   person because the stuff that makes a [TS]

00:19:02   thing a thing you may not really [TS]

00:19:03   understand it until you start doing it [TS]

00:19:05   like if you describe rock music to [TS]

00:19:06   people it wouldn't sound all that [TS]

00:19:07   interesting you can get help to go to a [TS]

00:19:09   concert there's lots of stuff like that [TS]

00:19:11   the other thing is that looks like the [TS]

00:19:13   word curious which you use all the time [TS]

00:19:15   and i never use right and when you say [TS]

00:19:17   heuristics and each time I think that's [TS]

00:19:21   what I'd like to use also hermeneutics [TS]

00:19:23   of extra using that more hermeneutics [TS]

00:19:25   medics I you know and I think to myself [TS]

00:19:27   I tried as your as you continue to talk [TS]

00:19:29   I kind of try on the word heuristics for [TS]

00:19:31   myself [TS]

00:19:32   yeah like sort of the used to tell you [TS]

00:19:35   but instead i say increasingly lazy [TS]

00:19:37   shortcut like the people wanted really [TS]

00:19:39   lazy shortcut where they go trap I don't [TS]

00:19:41   think about that anymore like chunky [TS]

00:19:42   right there at the car and not for me [TS]

00:19:44   but here's the other thing about parents [TS]

00:19:47   and other ding-a-lings is that you know [TS]

00:19:49   i can tell you that anything [TS]

00:19:52   my kid is a dick about with screens is [TS]

00:19:55   nobody's fault but my own because always [TS]

00:19:57   follow mine one order to do what to do [TS]

00:20:02   who but someone what is that I'm well [TS]

00:20:05   aware [TS]

00:20:06   what do you want a while because if I [TS]

00:20:09   decide I kind of a competent nobody's [TS]

00:20:15   fault mine right yeah don't have to 10 [TS]

00:20:19   it's a really great [TS]

00:20:21   Led Zeppelin's arm that that should have [TS]

00:20:23   been on a album [TS]

00:20:24   look I know that song yeah but it wasn't [TS]

00:20:27   an element was just on just the thing [TS]

00:20:29   just to say that we tend to as we know [TS]

00:20:32   we're being parents we tend to go like [TS]

00:20:35   we know stuff that kids don't know stuff [TS]

00:20:36   and so they are little little paws into [TS]

00:20:38   which we pour wisdom and information and [TS]

00:20:41   experience it's like this that's [TS]

00:20:42   bullshit you know I mean like I guess [TS]

00:20:45   what I'm saying is like if your if your [TS]

00:20:46   kid is a dick with the iphone it's [TS]

00:20:49   because you let them become a dick with [TS]

00:20:51   the iphone it's not the iphones fault [TS]

00:20:53   it's your old I'm a dick with the iphone [TS]

00:20:55   and I wasn't my phone it's incredibly [TS]

00:20:57   hypocritical so we're like okay listen [TS]

00:20:59   we let you watch gilmore girls for six [TS]

00:21:02   hours this morning and now you know [TS]

00:21:04   you're cranky so you don't get a screen [TS]

00:21:06   for a while but mom and I are going to [TS]

00:21:08   sit here and look at our ipads because [TS]

00:21:10   energy because zero your Vaz I i had a [TS]

00:21:16   real problem the other day I I i was in [TS]

00:21:19   a parade a nice and it was a big big big [TS]

00:21:22   parade and and either then and the my [TS]

00:21:27   job in the parade was to ride in the [TS]

00:21:28   back of in 1976 eldorado convertible [TS]

00:21:31   color root beer brown and wave their [TS]

00:21:35   wearing a sash and I thought that this [TS]

00:21:38   would be fun for my daughter also [TS]

00:21:40   because last year when i was running for [TS]

00:21:42   office we were in several parades where [TS]

00:21:44   we walked the length of the parade [TS]

00:21:46   waving at people and waving signs with [TS]

00:21:48   my name on it and so you know she [TS]

00:21:50   started to think that being in parades [TS]

00:21:51   was normal and that was one of the [TS]

00:21:54   things that we did with Daddy right with [TS]

00:21:55   mom I you go to the swimming pool with [TS]

00:21:58   that you go marching parade [TS]

00:22:00   and wave to 50,000 people and so this is [TS]

00:22:03   the business Seattle's big parade the [TS]

00:22:05   Seafarer parade is the big one the [TS]

00:22:07   torchlight parade and it's not it's not [TS]

00:22:10   a torchlight parade that ends at a rally [TS]

00:22:13   or there's no crystal knocked like [TS]

00:22:16   experience interest whether just a a [TS]

00:22:18   healthy number of two bizarre weather [TS]

00:22:20   like a lot of to be a lot of tubes there [TS]

00:22:22   were wrong all wrong [TS]

00:22:24   roll fire department the bagpipe bands [TS]

00:22:29   boy there were I mean you know a lot of [TS]

00:22:33   floats featuring princesses there was [TS]

00:22:37   the apple-blossom princess and there was [TS]

00:22:38   the that was the under the sea princess [TS]

00:22:40   and there was that all the princesses [TS]

00:22:42   were there there there the Seafair [TS]

00:22:46   pirates in a in a in an enormous ship [TS]

00:22:48   that has a cannon a yeah there's a lot [TS]

00:22:52   going on there was the US Army was the [TS]

00:22:54   US Navy Band anyways so we just sounds [TS]

00:22:57   like a pretty big production the big [TS]

00:22:58   production we were in we were in this [TS]

00:23:01   Cadillac and and that you know the [TS]

00:23:03   driver the Cadillac was doing the s [TS]

00:23:04   turns because because that's the only [TS]

00:23:08   thing that we didn't have any other and [TS]

00:23:09   like a like an entitled down fixie uh [TS]

00:23:12   yeah except he's doing he said he was [TS]

00:23:14   very smooth guy we got this Cadillac [TS]

00:23:17   from a local car museum he knew what he [TS]

00:23:20   was doing and it had been a doubt you [TS]

00:23:22   forget what horrid car horns were like [TS]

00:23:24   in the nineteen seventies he would lay [TS]

00:23:27   on this horn and it was pick up it was [TS]

00:23:29   like a ship it was like a ferry boat [TS]

00:23:30   coming into port [TS]

00:23:32   yeah you know haha like totally great [TS]

00:23:35   horn anyway this was our job drive the [TS]

00:23:38   length of the city of two miles an hour [TS]

00:23:39   waving wearing a sash and so I brought [TS]

00:23:43   my little girl and she was totally [TS]

00:23:45   amazing for the entire thing until after [TS]

00:23:49   we've been doing it for four hours and [TS]

00:23:51   there's no end in sight she finally was [TS]

00:23:54   like she just had that experience of [TS]

00:23:57   like okay 100,000 people I've lived a [TS]

00:23:58   hundred thousand people and now a little [TS]

00:24:00   freaked out [TS]

00:24:01   is that where is the end and I'm like [TS]

00:24:05   yeah still little ways to go and she was [TS]

00:24:07   like I now want to hide and she went [TS]

00:24:10   down into the footwell oh poor thing [TS]

00:24:12   and I was like I'm not sure I'm not sure [TS]

00:24:17   which point I was but I became a bad [TS]

00:24:20   father here because we only seem to be [TS]

00:24:23   doing fine [TS]

00:24:24   yeah this wasn't this is intense and and [TS]

00:24:26   and frankly the the part that I became a [TS]

00:24:28   bad father was I was like I did what my [TS]

00:24:31   dad would have done which is I said get [TS]

00:24:36   your ass back up here what are you doing [TS]

00:24:40   we got we got parading to do here don't [TS]

00:24:42   leave daddy up here just waving by [TS]

00:24:44   himself and she was death [TS]

00:24:46   it's making me look that she was down [TS]

00:24:48   there you know with her with her little [TS]

00:24:49   bunny rabbit sucking your thumb and the [TS]

00:24:51   wheel well and I was like god damn it [TS]

00:24:53   get up here [TS]

00:24:54   people want well you know people pay [TS]

00:24:58   people paid not no money to watch this [TS]

00:25:00   come up here and help daddy huh and so [TS]

00:25:04   then I was up there waving you know [TS]

00:25:06   thank you [TS]

00:25:07   after happy parade last thing you want [TS]

00:25:10   to see when you go to operators is just [TS]

00:25:11   2 miles and miles of a child being [TS]

00:25:13   admonished well and also yeah that's [TS]

00:25:15   right you can't you can't I can't I [TS]

00:25:16   couldn't actually beyond to make sure [TS]

00:25:18   these 360 can be like Apes you know and [TS]

00:25:21   I kind of was like a up here but where [TS]

00:25:24   she was like no way and I thought you [TS]

00:25:29   might [TS]

00:25:29   this was a I don't think maybe a unique [TS]

00:25:32   parenting problem but certainly there's [TS]

00:25:34   not a lot of role models like I can't [TS]

00:25:36   call a hotline [TS]

00:25:37   ok let's say what do you guys do when [TS]

00:25:39   your daughter doesn't want to to fulfill [TS]

00:25:41   the entire parade at five years old so I [TS]

00:25:46   was that you know so yeah I had monitor [TS]

00:25:48   a little bit and then afterwards I was [TS]

00:25:49   sorry but then I was like but also you [TS]

00:25:52   know you don't want to be a quitter but [TS]

00:25:55   also I understand that you're retired [TS]

00:25:57   and that you didn't quite know what you [TS]

00:25:59   were getting into [TS]

00:26:00   yeah but also look daddy's got weird [TS]

00:26:02   things that he had to do sometimes raids [TS]

00:26:06   and other events where he may drag you [TS]

00:26:10   up onstage because he wants you to [TS]

00:26:13   because that just as my dad used to [TS]

00:26:15   leave me sitting in Alaska bars for two [TS]

00:26:18   hours well he did something [TS]

00:26:21   uh-huh [TS]

00:26:21   and he and he justified it to himself by [TS]

00:26:25   feeling like it was teaching me how to [TS]

00:26:29   sit in a bar i guess it was teaching me [TS]

00:26:31   how to meet meet adults and keep them [TS]

00:26:33   from stealing me as well there's a lot [TS]

00:26:36   to that I'm not saying I agree with this [TS]

00:26:38   but there was a time when the ability to [TS]

00:26:40   sit quietly in a bar with something that [TS]

00:26:42   was expected to do I mean it'sit's [TS]

00:26:44   something about learning learning [TS]

00:26:45   restraint some control right well except [TS]

00:26:50   you know when he would come back two [TS]

00:26:52   hours later you know I'd be sitting on [TS]

00:26:55   the bar they be feeding me whipped cream [TS]

00:26:57   out of a out of shot glasses it I'd be [TS]

00:27:01   you know I'd be dancing regaling me with [TS]

00:27:03   stories like there was I didn't set the [TS]

00:27:05   mirror Lee and and hope that the big man [TS]

00:27:08   in the wolf skin coats would leave me [TS]

00:27:10   alone I was like is that will skim coat [TS]

00:27:13   did I ever tell you about the time I saw [TS]

00:27:14   wolf would you buy me a shot glass full [TS]

00:27:17   of whipped cream and now a timely [TS]

00:27:20   message about concert against humanity [TS]

00:27:22   cards against humanity is coming out [TS]

00:27:29   typically they've got a giant theater [TS]

00:27:32   and some shit to give away it's August [TS]

00:27:35   in that ATM there's not much else to say [TS]

00:27:37   so I your seats today [TS]

00:27:40   hey it's the second show like this that [TS]

00:27:44   cards has gone and done [TS]

00:27:46   they promised lots of comedy they [TS]

00:27:48   promised lots of fun and if they don't [TS]

00:27:50   sell Baelfire everyone no fire everyone [TS]

00:27:57   like you do your fire to your mom your [TS]

00:28:00   dad they're all fired you get thinks the [TS]

00:28:03   vehicle your desk and I retire and [TS]

00:28:05   you're still fired [TS]

00:28:06   jonathan coulton a spire Paul and store [TS]

00:28:09   their post-fire furniture look eugene [TS]

00:28:11   mirman fire fire the entire cards office [TS]

00:28:15   they're all fire from your at theatre [TS]

00:28:16   step on fire everyone attending jen guy [TS]

00:28:19   fired by your uber driver fire [TS]

00:28:23   you're welcome tales which she fired to [TS]

00:28:25   the cast of Hamilton all the Queen's [TS]

00:28:27   corgis iron fire five [TS]

00:28:29   the moons of jupiter our fire medic [TS]

00:28:31   impose how the year the letter r taylor [TS]

00:28:34   swift to get fired fired five [TS]

00:28:37   the buyer to give take your seats and [TS]

00:28:39   kneel before your master [TS]

00:28:41   we hope this show does not become a huge [TS]

00:28:43   goddamn disaster seats are moving [TS]

00:28:46   pretty well but they could move much [TS]

00:28:47   faster by your seat today [TS]

00:28:52   you want to miss this show so get your [TS]

00:28:56   tickets quick because if you miss it [TS]

00:29:00   you'll feel like the biggest black is [TS]

00:29:06   my dad won't be back for a while we [TS]

00:29:09   could probably get one more round of [TS]

00:29:10   whipped cream so I seriously that was my [TS]

00:29:13   that was my gag i would get a shot glass [TS]

00:29:16   i would order a shot glass of whipped [TS]

00:29:18   cream bartenders love it hilarious money [TS]

00:29:21   that's pretty easy drink it's not like a [TS]

00:29:23   mojito right you know and and so then [TS]

00:29:25   I'd be sitting at the bar and I'd be all [TS]

00:29:27   hard-bitten high shot glass in front of [TS]

00:29:30   me today the bar tenants would come back [TS]

00:29:32   and there'd be like another round hit me [TS]

00:29:37   and we'd laugh I'm getting us it's ready [TS]

00:29:41   whip right there shit out of the camp [TS]

00:29:42   yeah oh and then you know it's like it's [TS]

00:29:46   like when you put peanut butter in a [TS]

00:29:47   calm way into a dog [TS]

00:29:49   I you know I'm sitting there trying to [TS]

00:29:50   trying to get the last bit of whipped [TS]

00:29:52   cream on the bottom of the shot glass [TS]

00:29:53   but you know you can't quite get in [TS]

00:29:55   there huh [TS]

00:29:57   so close laughs all right i would pay i [TS]

00:30:01   would pay six hundred dollars to watch a [TS]

00:30:05   supercut of all the times that I did [TS]

00:30:09   that as a child I'd especially like to [TS]

00:30:10   see the dancing [TS]

00:30:11   well you know i'll start dancing no I've [TS]

00:30:14   seen no no i mean i've seen adult genre [TS]

00:30:16   can bust out a dance with very little [TS]

00:30:18   provocation [TS]

00:30:19   I'm just seeing the the young you the [TS]

00:30:21   mascot of the bar yet with is a high on [TS]

00:30:24   whipped cream do a little jig and enjoy [TS]

00:30:26   that yeah you had that it sounds you [TS]

00:30:31   know sometimes there are aspects of my [TS]

00:30:33   childhood that sound like what like a [TS]

00:30:35   Western where it's all happening in a in [TS]

00:30:39   the in like a saloon but that's actually [TS]

00:30:43   what happened and the way that I had in [TS]

00:30:45   many cases that way I learned to dance [TS]

00:30:47   my first dance instruction came from a [TS]

00:30:53   woman in a Alaska bar where I was [TS]

00:30:56   sitting where I had been deposited and [TS]

00:31:01   she was uh it's not looking i mean i [TS]

00:31:07   don't know i can't say for sure but I [TS]

00:31:09   think now it retro actively that she was [TS]

00:31:11   a working like sure she was probably at [TS]

00:31:14   least a barfly she was certainly that [TS]

00:31:17   but i think she was also issues she was [TS]

00:31:19   like this this is [TS]

00:31:19   tough parlance these days she was she [TS]

00:31:21   was a professional it was alaska right [TS]

00:31:25   so he's a semi-professional yeah [TS]

00:31:27   everybody was wearing a wolf skin coat [TS]

00:31:30   and she was you know she was nicely [TS]

00:31:31   tired and there was some music playing [TS]

00:31:34   and she and I'm sitting there with my [TS]

00:31:36   whipped cream and she said do you want [TS]

00:31:38   to dance [TS]

00:31:39   yeah and i said i don't know how to [TS]

00:31:42   dance and she said Lt Shadow Dance I'm [TS]

00:31:46   like that was a little bit older now I [TS]

00:31:47   was probably 10 and i don't i didn't i [TS]

00:31:54   didn't say no or I didn't know how to [TS]

00:31:56   say no I don't think I wanted to say no [TS]

00:31:57   and she took me out on the dance floor [TS]

00:31:59   and taught me how to dance huh that's [TS]

00:32:03   kind of my taught me how to dance pretty [TS]

00:32:05   well she gave me like the the top six to [TS]

00:32:09   eight moves and she said listen you [TS]

00:32:13   gotta you know i'm leaving you right now [TS]

00:32:16   but you've got to learn to lead you've [TS]

00:32:17   got to be the you know the expectation [TS]

00:32:19   is that you're going to lead so then she [TS]

00:32:21   had me lead for a while I stepped on [TS]

00:32:24   your toes and she said one of the things [TS]

00:32:25   you can't do this step on the other [TS]

00:32:26   person's toes and when i was ten years [TS]

00:32:29   old so I wasn't you know I was a little [TS]

00:32:31   kid I was big enough that we could we [TS]

00:32:35   could approximate dancing inside it had [TS]

00:32:38   it stuck with me even now when I dance I [TS]

00:32:41   have this you know I there there's this [TS]

00:32:43   little connection this element to that [TS]

00:32:46   at first time I think um I feel like [TS]

00:32:51   most of what I know that here's my hands [TS]

00:32:52   make life hack for this here's what I [TS]

00:32:54   know about dancing i'm not a big dancer [TS]

00:32:55   i'm not a big public answer you rock out [TS]

00:32:58   shell rock out but here's what I know if [TS]

00:33:02   you're not moving your but you're not [TS]

00:33:03   really dancing and this this is that's [TS]

00:33:05   the rookie mistake is a lot of people [TS]

00:33:07   think you can just do a little kooky [TS]

00:33:08   thing with your arms [TS]

00:33:09   yeah that'll work but like to really not [TS]

00:33:11   just to look like you're dancing but to [TS]

00:33:13   feel like you're dancing your ass should [TS]

00:33:15   be emotion gonna move your butt if you [TS]

00:33:17   move your I mean it sounds really [TS]

00:33:18   obvious but if you look at people who [TS]

00:33:20   are dancing awkwardly because they [TS]

00:33:21   haven't found the button moved it all [TS]

00:33:23   right they're moving their needs are [TS]

00:33:24   moving they think it's like you know [TS]

00:33:26   sort of like when you think about your [TS]

00:33:28   hair [TS]

00:33:28   people think about come in the front of [TS]

00:33:29   their hair but not [TS]

00:33:30   the back the thing is it's the junk in [TS]

00:33:32   the trunk that's really making the fuck [TS]

00:33:33   I just made that up [TS]

00:33:34   I look at me that up i want yeah that's [TS]

00:33:37   the thing is like if you want to improve [TS]

00:33:38   your dancing you know in your repose at [TS]

00:33:41   home [TS]

00:33:41   well work on moving about a little bit [TS]

00:33:43   well this is one thing that a lot of [TS]

00:33:45   people don't know [TS]

00:33:46   also moving your butt right that's on [TS]

00:33:48   the that's right at the top of the list [TS]

00:33:50   but here's what you dance to you do not [TS]

00:33:54   dance to the guitar you do not dance to [TS]

00:33:56   the vocals you do not even really dance [TS]

00:33:59   to the drums came to the base to the [TS]

00:34:02   base and if you look at the group of [TS]

00:34:04   people dancing and your land you [TS]

00:34:05   actually listen to the music you will [TS]

00:34:06   see that they are the ones that are [TS]

00:34:08   moving correctly are moving to the base [TS]

00:34:10   that's a really good point a lot of that [TS]

00:34:12   I don't want to make this all about the [TS]

00:34:13   dudes right but you know a lot of the [TS]

00:34:16   dudes they're actually they're literally [TS]

00:34:17   playing air guitar sometimes don't do [TS]

00:34:19   that don't do that that's clearly having [TS]

00:34:21   fun you know [TS]

00:34:22   no houkago matata just get in there have [TS]

00:34:25   fun with it but you so basically is what [TS]

00:34:27   you're saying you gotta move your butt [TS]

00:34:29   to the base [TS]

00:34:30   mm and you know you know them and [TS]

00:34:32   ninety-nine percent of the people are [TS]

00:34:34   completely unconscious of it and I think [TS]

00:34:35   about ninety percent of people in the [TS]

00:34:37   world couldn't pick the base out of of a [TS]

00:34:39   musical composition for the bases the [TS]

00:34:41   part that makes you want to dance [TS]

00:34:43   that's right that's what that's the [TS]

00:34:44   whole job of the base and that's why the [TS]

00:34:46   base is so important and that's why when [TS]

00:34:49   you're when you're starting out playing [TS]

00:34:50   rock music when you're a teenage kid [TS]

00:34:52   you're just like why would i play the [TS]

00:34:53   bass the bass got no the base isn't [TS]

00:34:56   flashy I want to be the flashy guy [TS]

00:34:59   that's like maybe that's why everybody [TS]

00:35:01   wants to be a guitar plant yeah but that [TS]

00:35:02   along the way you realize oh the whole [TS]

00:35:04   thing is the whole thing is just sitting [TS]

00:35:07   on top of the base and without it that I [TS]

00:35:10   mean the bases the thing that is [TS]

00:35:11   motivating the whole whole song and then [TS]

00:35:15   you start watching like what people are [TS]

00:35:16   doing with their bodies like oh my god [TS]

00:35:19   the bases and in control huh [TS]

00:35:21   and the bass players are like and that [TS]

00:35:23   you know and that's why bass players are [TS]

00:35:24   creeps because they know the power [TS]

00:35:27   yeah they're like moving people's butts [TS]

00:35:29   and assistants and galleys you know the [TS]

00:35:33   rest mutants Rasputin's like I'm not I [TS]

00:35:36   don't need you know I don't need to make [TS]

00:35:38   a big well they're kind of not rescue [TS]

00:35:40   teams in that sense but they're like I [TS]

00:35:42   I'm my historical recipes but they play [TS]

00:35:44   by their own rules they play by their [TS]

00:35:45   own rules right they smell like people [TS]

00:35:47   in a wolf skin coat and boots boo-boo [TS]

00:35:52   and that's what you're you know that [TS]

00:35:53   sounds a little sign fealty to think [TS]

00:35:55   about when you watch seinfeld is dancing [TS]

00:35:57   what are you moving your butt to get not [TS]

00:35:59   to Jerry pointing with the thumbs up [TS]

00:36:01   buddy to do [TS]

00:36:02   boom I I feel like there's another there [TS]

00:36:08   one other thing about dancing which is [TS]

00:36:11   the the the two and four right not the [TS]

00:36:16   13 m 2 and four you move to the to look [TS]

00:36:18   for right unless you're staring Copelan [TS]

00:36:21   but you know that's the other thing is [TS]

00:36:24   people dance to the beat of his own drum [TS]

00:36:25   that's right [TS]

00:36:27   yes i know i agree with you and you see [TS]

00:36:29   this again with the sorry why people use [TS]

00:36:31   with the clapping he was with the [TS]

00:36:33   clapping on the one you don't know about [TS]

00:36:35   mhm don't clap on the one unless you [TS]

00:36:38   really know what you're doing I think [TS]

00:36:40   what you know if you're stevie wonder [TS]

00:36:42   you know the here's the thing [TS]

00:36:43   it sounds to me like there's an [TS]

00:36:44   extension course waiting to happen right [TS]

00:36:46   here which is which is midway at [TS]

00:36:48   whatever your you know community college [TS]

00:36:51   or something you should do a course on [TS]

00:36:54   helping people understand what dancing [TS]

00:36:56   isn't how to do it [TS]

00:36:57   things things have been lost they do [TS]

00:36:59   they truly have like the accordion has [TS]

00:37:02   been lost [TS]

00:37:02   yeah yeah they're very few people that [TS]

00:37:04   learn the accordion now and the end most [TS]

00:37:06   of them are doing it somewhat [TS]

00:37:09   hilariously well and also I think [TS]

00:37:13   speaking as someone who is forced to [TS]

00:37:15   learn accordion I think according to [TS]

00:37:17   something you for someone to learn [TS]

00:37:18   movement there are many people who were [TS]

00:37:20   like hey mom can I got accordion but in [TS]

00:37:24   ninety dollars also just in fairness [TS]

00:37:25   John is also just not as much exposure [TS]

00:37:27   to accordance anymore that we step [TS]

00:37:29   according to everywhere we were allowing [TS]

00:37:31   with accordions in the 90s audience all [TS]

00:37:32   the way down in the 1950s lot of people [TS]

00:37:35   learn the accordion about out of their [TS]

00:37:36   own at avidity who because they said [TS]

00:37:39   this is a great way to entertain the [TS]

00:37:41   parties that's true in 1920 everybody [TS]

00:37:45   played the piano you couldn't go to a [TS]

00:37:47   party in according to be on your chest [TS]

00:37:49   exactly now all that stuff is that has [TS]

00:37:52   been lost a time like tears in rain [TS]

00:37:54   and one thing that has been lost I'll [TS]

00:37:57   tell you as somebody who occasionally [TS]

00:37:59   will be inspired and we'll grab a [TS]

00:38:04   partner and say dance with me and dance [TS]

00:38:06   around they are almost always like [TS]

00:38:11   excited and thrilled like oh my god [TS]

00:38:13   someone standing were dancing [TS]

00:38:15   yes I want to be that I want to do that [TS]

00:38:17   dance here you know what I'm talking [TS]

00:38:19   about like holding one another dancing [TS]

00:38:22   not standing apart from one another and [TS]

00:38:24   making choo-choo arms and she talked [TS]

00:38:27   about grown-up dancing I'm talking about [TS]

00:38:28   like i am going to now dance with you [TS]

00:38:30   and spin you around and we're gonna [TS]

00:38:33   we're going to dance properly but even [TS]

00:38:37   in the course of my own lifetime the [TS]

00:38:38   number of people who know what that [TS]

00:38:40   means has declined [TS]

00:38:42   yeah now so when I was 14 I could I [TS]

00:38:47   could grab ahold of somebody that I [TS]

00:38:49   didn't know you know you wanna dance yes [TS]

00:38:51   and then you are holding them and [TS]

00:38:54   dancing when I was high but I think [TS]

00:38:56   there's a high bar [TS]

00:38:57   I mean like singing I think people used [TS]

00:38:59   to just randomly this could be because i [TS]

00:39:01   enjoy musicals but I feel like people [TS]

00:39:03   used to somewhat more randomly sing and [TS]

00:39:05   dance more people dance now as I hope [TS]

00:39:08   not me where I mean more than an element [TS]

00:39:10   of that but I don't think dancing is [TS]

00:39:11   part of what we do i think singing is so [TS]

00:39:13   much a part of what we do seems to be a [TS]

00:39:15   think people just did they did it [TS]

00:39:17   yes well I'm often and this is the life [TS]

00:39:21   back here a lot of times you'll be [TS]

00:39:23   somewhere like on a cliff or say you [TS]

00:39:27   know in the in the surf or in the forest [TS]

00:39:30   and you think i would like to ask this [TS]

00:39:33   person to dance [TS]

00:39:34   who there's no big band here there's no [TS]

00:39:36   dance [TS]

00:39:38   this is not this is not what other [TS]

00:39:39   people would consider a dance [TS]

00:39:40   opportunity to find like EDM in the wild [TS]

00:39:42   but but it well and EDM in the wild is [TS]

00:39:45   one of the best festivals student but it [TS]

00:39:49   is actually an opportunity to dance [TS]

00:39:51   you just have to identify you just have [TS]

00:39:53   to it's like it's like a searching for [TS]

00:39:55   pokemons if you pull out your own [TS]

00:39:57   imaginary augmented reality and you look [TS]

00:40:00   at the cliffside and you say is this an [TS]

00:40:03   opportunity to dance and a little [TS]

00:40:04   monster pops up it goes [TS]

00:40:05   yes [TS]

00:40:06   you can actually say would you like to [TS]

00:40:09   dance on the other person will go [TS]

00:40:10   what and then you put your arms around [TS]

00:40:13   them and you sing and dance to your own [TS]

00:40:17   singing like a little bit of a mean you [TS]

00:40:20   know you lost a couple bars of a have [TS]

00:40:22   any big bands on string of pearls you do [TS]

00:40:23   bom bom the time to time to time dat da [TS]

00:40:27   anything [TS]

00:40:28   children should be taught that song that [TS]

00:40:30   so they can dance on demand but it to [TS]

00:40:32   protect I'm done and done and dad and if [TS]

00:40:36   you know what dozen of those you can you [TS]

00:40:41   know you can do you don't have the [TS]

00:40:42   jitterbug eating you can do some slow [TS]

00:40:44   you know you can do a slow like begin [TS]

00:40:47   the beguine that that's a lovely thing [TS]

00:40:49   to do in front of a mountain that's [TS]

00:40:50   right [TS]

00:40:51   mhm and so yeah [TS]

00:40:55   hey I'm spinning your partner out and [TS]

00:40:59   back in and then a little bit of this [TS]

00:41:00   over here a little bit of this over [TS]

00:41:02   there a little over there and I and you [TS]

00:41:06   are providing the accompaniment and and [TS]

00:41:08   if you know if you know a little bit of [TS]

00:41:09   jazz you can just sort of improvised the [TS]

00:41:11   song I'll do this all the time I don't [TS]

00:41:15   added to that dun dun hadn't but a deck [TS]

00:41:19   down added that added that it's nothing [TS]

00:41:23   it's just it's just no that's totally [TS]

00:41:25   plausible [TS]

00:41:26   yeah it's just gibberish right Jaz [TS]

00:41:28   gibberish whoohoo [TS]

00:41:29   but you're dancing and what I have found [TS]

00:41:31   in recent years is that is a very [TS]

00:41:35   excited partners or like wow that we're [TS]

00:41:38   really doing this but they don't know [TS]

00:41:40   what they don't know their job right [TS]

00:41:42   there that there's no longer a sense [TS]

00:41:44   like okay you are the one who's a [TS]

00:41:47   singing and be doing this so then see [TS]

00:41:49   you are probably going to lead me [TS]

00:41:52   mhm around you know as soon as you start [TS]

00:41:55   there like they start tugging like wow [TS]

00:41:58   because we lost the we've lost the don't [TS]

00:42:01   know how to be led [TS]

00:42:02   they think it's a dominance thing it's [TS]

00:42:04   not it's more like just what you know [TS]

00:42:05   one person's driving in the other person [TS]

00:42:07   is his writing [TS]

00:42:08   yeah somebody's got to you know sort of [TS]

00:42:10   and the wonderful thing about [TS]

00:42:11   old-fashioned dancing right was the [TS]

00:42:13   man's job was to or the person leading [TS]

00:42:16   that person's job was to not make a big [TS]

00:42:19   show of themselves [TS]

00:42:20   no but to show off their partner to [TS]

00:42:23   their best advantage certainly agree so [TS]

00:42:25   it's like I'm seeing you now and i'm [TS]

00:42:26   featuring you here it's more like you're [TS]

00:42:28   driving it so i can imagine a parade you [TS]

00:42:30   could say oh yeah the person driving [TS]

00:42:31   yeah they're driving to the other person [TS]

00:42:32   can wave exactly i'm driving the [TS]

00:42:35   Cadillac and honking the horn you are [TS]

00:42:37   sitting up on the balance and waving in [TS]

00:42:39   a sack yelling at your child down the [TS]

00:42:41   willow and so you know to lead in [TS]

00:42:44   dancing is not to be the featured player [TS]

00:42:47   yeah but but so all you know that like [TS]

00:42:50   that intellectual a like that group [TS]

00:42:53   knowledge has as something it is gone [TS]

00:42:58   and can't be recaptured I think and it's [TS]

00:43:01   the casual Friday problem mmm [TS]

00:43:03   nobody just it was it was seen as an [TS]

00:43:08   element of freedom to be able to go to [TS]

00:43:12   work dressed as a as a furnace repair [TS]

00:43:15   person and now know what now in one [TS]

00:43:20   generation it was completed how to dress [TS]

00:43:22   or be professional all of it was lost [TS]

00:43:24   and now you know you have this this sort [TS]

00:43:27   of culture of young people who are like [TS]

00:43:28   i'm dressing up [TS]

00:43:29   i'm dressing fancy it's sort of like [TS]

00:43:31   we're like the getting dressed up like [TS]

00:43:33   an adult is as like a separate special [TS]

00:43:36   thing [TS]

00:43:36   yeah I can have been mission creep and [TS]

00:43:38   i'm personally I have to say I mean I [TS]

00:43:39   know we differ on this I like too much [TS]

00:43:41   casual dresser but I take your point has [TS]

00:43:43   been mission creep on the whole idea of [TS]

00:43:45   casual Friday to now it's just casual [TS]

00:43:47   week [TS]

00:43:47   casual week and and it has spawned a [TS]

00:43:50   generation of you know these young [TS]

00:43:53   Macklemore haircuts who are really into [TS]

00:43:55   menswear let's call it menswear yeah and [TS]

00:44:00   I mean you know young women have always [TS]

00:44:02   had an opportunity to express themselves [TS]

00:44:04   in their clothes men not so much and you [TS]

00:44:08   have to really make a point of it now [TS]

00:44:10   because you're not forced to by [TS]

00:44:13   profession by professionalism [TS]

00:44:15   well it's I mean this is up top my head [TS]

00:44:17   but it for a long time i would say [TS]

00:44:19   definitely even through the sixties [TS]

00:44:20   men's fashion was a way of how well sort [TS]

00:44:25   of how well you could fit in by looking [TS]

00:44:28   like a polished version of everyone else [TS]

00:44:29   and we're growing in it was like you I [TS]

00:44:32   think you would distinguish yourself by [TS]

00:44:33   actually distinguishing yourself by [TS]

00:44:36   looking different but still fitting in [TS]

00:44:37   you know what i mean i don't know maybe [TS]

00:44:39   that's not a distinction but I feel like [TS]

00:44:40   it is i mean look at photos i was [TS]

00:44:42   looking at some old photos of our of our [TS]

00:44:43   neighborhood there's a site that has [TS]

00:44:45   like all these old photos of muni and [TS]

00:44:47   stuff like that and like the work the [TS]

00:44:49   guys like getting into his workmen's [TS]

00:44:51   truck is wearing a hat like with his [TS]

00:44:54   sleeves rolled up like a plumber and [TS]

00:44:55   he's wearing a hat [TS]

00:44:57   mhm you just you have to do that you [TS]

00:44:59   can't go out without a hat on course not [TS]

00:45:01   or you know if you were working as a [TS]

00:45:02   professional person like white shirts [TS]

00:45:05   yeah you you look at a picture of 50 [TS]

00:45:07   people working in an office and they [TS]

00:45:09   were all dressed exactly the same so so [TS]

00:45:11   in a sense you didn't have to make any [TS]

00:45:12   choice at all you just have to know what [TS]

00:45:15   you're gonna wear a dark suit and a [TS]

00:45:17   conservative time [TS]

00:45:18   yeah and you had to have to iron your [TS]

00:45:19   shirt and it had to be laundered and [TS]

00:45:22   your hair had to be combed like my mom [TS]

00:45:24   my plum set at Safeco insurance company [TS]

00:45:26   where she worked in the seventies until [TS]

00:45:30   nineteen seventy-nine when she left the [TS]

00:45:32   company [TS]

00:45:32   you still could not undo the top button [TS]

00:45:35   of your shirt and loosen your tie my [TS]

00:45:37   personal work day even like through [TS]

00:45:39   disco oh no because this was an [TS]

00:45:42   insurance company there's no this wasn't [TS]

00:45:44   your not here to disco and I am I my [TS]

00:45:48   understanding and i'm pretty sure this [TS]

00:45:50   is true that if your boss saw you at [TS]

00:45:55   lunch time sitting at a lunch counter [TS]

00:45:58   with your tie unfastened that that would [TS]

00:46:01   be cause for reprimand food because it's [TS]

00:46:04   you were out in the town having your [TS]

00:46:06   lunch you also were representative [TS]

00:46:08   second sure [TS]

00:46:09   mhm and that is the kind of thing that [TS]

00:46:12   casual Friday and the casualisation of [TS]

00:46:16   professionalism sought to undo or you [TS]

00:46:20   know it was regarded as perk i work at [TS]

00:46:22   this company where you can loosen your [TS]

00:46:24   tie at lunchtime [TS]

00:46:25   haha we're having fun over here and then [TS]

00:46:29   that has extended to now like hey I work [TS]

00:46:31   at a tech company and i am an engineer [TS]

00:46:34   so I get to wear a diaper to work [TS]

00:46:36   because engineers are the only transfer [TS]

00:46:39   booths and nobody you know nobody can [TS]

00:46:44   tell us know [TS]

00:46:44   mhm because will make their garage doors [TS]

00:46:47   go up and down if they if they push us [TS]

00:46:50   around but you know for me like I I see [TS]

00:46:53   young menswear enthusiasts all the time [TS]

00:46:55   and I and I'm like I appreciate the [TS]

00:46:58   effort but there's also this [TS]

00:47:00   self-conscious kind of peaky blinders [TS]

00:47:01   old-timey this too [TS]

00:47:05   it's AI mean I don't know a lot about it [TS]

00:47:07   but it strikes me that is it does [TS]

00:47:08   approach a costume [TS]

00:47:10   not that that's bad but it's a little [TS]

00:47:12   bit like a costume in some ways also i [TS]

00:47:13   was thinking about this [TS]

00:47:15   at what point will we have come around [TS]

00:47:17   and some really really cutting-edge new [TS]

00:47:21   tech company that everybody wants to [TS]

00:47:23   work for huh [TS]

00:47:25   it's not one of those situations like [TS]

00:47:26   how do we get new engineers oh why don't [TS]

00:47:29   we you know why don't we locate [TS]

00:47:31   ourselves into ET and pay everybody [TS]

00:47:34   million dollars because engineers are so [TS]

00:47:36   hard to find but a thing where it's like [TS]

00:47:39   this is the company everybody wants to [TS]

00:47:41   work at this is the cool guy place this [TS]

00:47:45   is the artwork there because the works [TS]

00:47:47   people will be there because the work is [TS]

00:47:49   interesting the work is interesting [TS]

00:47:51   they're doing something you think is [TS]

00:47:52   important it's pre-ipo oh sure all the [TS]

00:47:56   shit at what point does some twenty [TS]

00:47:59   six-year-old entrepreneur say rather [TS]

00:48:06   than ping-pong tables and endless [TS]

00:48:08   cheetos at in our company workroom we're [TS]

00:48:12   all gonna wear black suits that like [TS]

00:48:16   non-ironic seats [TS]

00:48:17   yeah that's gonna be the dress code [TS]

00:48:18   black suits but like nice black suits [TS]

00:48:21   tailored black suits and choose and ties [TS]

00:48:24   we're gonna dress like people like Don [TS]

00:48:28   Draper wear a dress like Don Draper [TS]

00:48:30   because all these tech companies that I [TS]

00:48:32   go visit now they all have mid-century [TS]

00:48:34   modern furniture you know they all love [TS]

00:48:36   their they're very conscious of [TS]

00:48:38   aesthetics [TS]

00:48:39   yeah but then it's like it every single [TS]

00:48:42   person I see is just getting brothers [TS]

00:48:44   you know they all their dress like scott [TS]

00:48:46   simpson game on again getting it [TS]

00:48:49   others and i like how much how when is [TS]

00:48:53   it going to happen because it surely [TS]

00:48:54   will that some really really hot company [TS]

00:48:57   where the where the you know the the [TS]

00:48:59   leading entrepreneurs in the grouper are [TS]

00:49:01   conscious of the fact that they're [TS]

00:49:04   trying to distinguish themselves they [TS]

00:49:05   are a special group and it's going to be [TS]

00:49:08   it's going to be suits at which point [TS]

00:49:10   does that does that catching fire some [TS]

00:49:14   really good point and I think that [TS]

00:49:16   actually people have written in and talk [TS]

00:49:18   to kind of a fair amount about this i [TS]

00:49:20   think i think one of the things is that [TS]

00:49:21   it's for a time it was a different kind [TS]

00:49:25   of way of telegraphing Silicon Valley [TS]

00:49:27   anyway it was a way of telegraphing your [TS]

00:49:28   power was it you know Steve Jobs was not [TS]

00:49:30   gonna show up you know in any monkey [TS]

00:49:33   suit [TS]

00:49:33   no not know of a black mock turtleneck [TS]

00:49:36   is no monkey suit [TS]

00:49:37   yeah but you you just gotta deal with [TS]

00:49:38   him because he Steve Jobs and that's how [TS]

00:49:39   he rolls but right there's were an [TS]

00:49:42   article went around last week we're [TS]

00:49:43   ready queue is guide apple has been [TS]

00:49:45   trying to negotiate all their deals with [TS]

00:49:47   the TV places to try and get like [TS]

00:49:48   over-the-top you basically can get it's [TS]

00:49:50   like having imagine having cable except [TS]

00:49:52   you know without having to have cable [TS]

00:49:54   but he's been meeting with people like [TS]

00:49:56   kind of more you know [TS]

00:49:58   san Francisco's kind of west coast more [TS]

00:50:01   than Los Angeles in some ways Los [TS]

00:50:02   Angeles still kind of a business down a [TS]

00:50:04   little bit more like new york and like [TS]

00:50:06   he should happen like gym shoes with no [TS]

00:50:08   socks and apparently it really put off [TS]

00:50:09   the people that he was meeting bet it [TS]

00:50:11   did [TS]

00:50:12   yeah good so I mean I guess I'm saying [TS]

00:50:14   is like I think part of it part of it is [TS]

00:50:16   this like this is ethos in several [TS]

00:50:19   historically i can't stand the last five [TS]

00:50:20   years historically Silicon Valley has [TS]

00:50:23   been about you know the the sort of the [TS]

00:50:25   Mavericks and the casual people in the [TS]

00:50:27   see themselves as being a part of a [TS]

00:50:28   meritocracy where you didn't have our [TS]

00:50:31   key you know that the ideally you're [TS]

00:50:33   there can be known for the quality of [TS]

00:50:35   what you produce right rather than how [TS]

00:50:37   much you Hugh to this company's idea of [TS]

00:50:39   this IBM like idea of looking like you [TS]

00:50:42   know the model worker iqid a real weirdo [TS]

00:50:44   at a company like that and design one [TS]

00:50:47   part of this electronic device that is [TS]

00:50:49   world-changing and you know people [TS]

00:50:51   aren't worried so much about your [TS]

00:50:52   Footwear and well but that's where it [TS]

00:50:54   started [TS]

00:50:54   I don't know if that's where it is now [TS]

00:50:55   but I think that's where it started I [TS]

00:50:57   think that's where it started to but but [TS]

00:50:58   you know that that that becomes a sort [TS]

00:51:00   of arms race [TS]

00:51:01   ok [TS]

00:51:02   an arms race with casual wear a pretty [TS]

00:51:05   soon you are you are actually [TS]

00:51:07   demonstrating your power by how much of [TS]

00:51:10   a slob you are how much cheetos dust [TS]

00:51:12   there is on your black sweatshirt yeah [TS]

00:51:14   and then yeah then we're living in a [TS]

00:51:17   world where that we're well the world [TS]

00:51:19   that I've described many many times on [TS]

00:51:21   this program where standards have to [TS]

00:51:22   climb I remember when what the company [TS]

00:51:26   that funded the dot-com that i was at is [TS]

00:51:28   very very well-known silicon valley CC [TS]

00:51:31   and on the rare occasion that the guy [TS]

00:51:34   whose name was in the company came to [TS]

00:51:36   the office he talked about pickles time [TS]

00:51:40   think this nice little you think he just [TS]

00:51:42   come from the gym and on top of that he [TS]

00:51:44   brought his dog [TS]

00:51:45   oh yeah such a power move to bring your [TS]

00:51:47   dog in somebody's office [TS]

00:51:49   hey what's up you ain't doing that like [TS]

00:51:50   you going applying for a job and like [TS]

00:51:52   bring your dog with you take your dog [TS]

00:51:54   might take my shoes off [TS]

00:51:55   oh that's my dog Garfunkel regardless of [TS]

00:51:59   their man we're going to get some water [TS]

00:52:02   for Garfunkel [TS]

00:52:03   well I told you right my lady friend who [TS]

00:52:07   is in the San Francisco tech world and [TS]

00:52:10   she's like you know she is a lot she's [TS]

00:52:13   nice [TS]

00:52:13   yeah she's nice and she's a lawyer and [TS]

00:52:15   she's on the professional side and I [TS]

00:52:16   first met her she would go to work in a [TS]

00:52:18   hoodie and yoga pants and I'm like this [TS]

00:52:21   seems weird to me this is a large [TS]

00:52:23   company work for hand and she doing but [TS]

00:52:25   it is the other things are innocuous [TS]

00:52:26   she's doing like real work she's not [TS]

00:52:28   she's not sitting around going like I [TS]

00:52:30   wonder if we should change the color of [TS]

00:52:31   the button but she's gotta deal with [TS]

00:52:33   lawsuits and stuff oh yeah and she's [TS]

00:52:34   dealing with our lawyers and talking and [TS]

00:52:36   she's on the Executive Board or whatever [TS]

00:52:38   and she said and I I don't remember if [TS]

00:52:40   we talked about this but she said you [TS]

00:52:42   can you have to dress this way because [TS]

00:52:43   you don't wanna make the engineers [TS]

00:52:45   uncomfortable [TS]

00:52:46   oh really yeah and I said what does that [TS]

00:52:48   mean and she said well the engineers are [TS]

00:52:50   the most important people and if you are [TS]

00:52:53   walking around like dressed up if they [TS]

00:52:57   feel like that's like you're being fancy [TS]

00:53:01   and trying to show them up or just that [TS]

00:53:03   year [TS]

00:53:04   yeah putting on airs you're putting on [TS]

00:53:05   errors or that you're creating an [TS]

00:53:07   uncomfortable work environment for them [TS]

00:53:09   again so so she said you know we are [TS]

00:53:12   it's you know it's like [TS]

00:53:14   and and I think there's a little bit of [TS]

00:53:16   that we don't have to dress up because [TS]

00:53:18   the meritocracy but also you don't want [TS]

00:53:21   to you don't want to dress up because [TS]

00:53:23   there's there there's really remember [TS]

00:53:26   the remember the twilight zone episode [TS]

00:53:28   where the kid has magic powers and [TS]

00:53:30   everybody in the town is super scared of [TS]

00:53:32   him saying yes the cornfield right [TS]

00:53:33   that's right and super super weirdly and [TS]

00:53:36   his parents to everybody's just [TS]

00:53:37   terrified I was an episode he'll kill [TS]

00:53:39   them and he and but the but the [TS]

00:53:41   appearance of the town is everybody's [TS]

00:53:43   super nice and happy and friendly like [TS]

00:53:45   oh of course why don't we all put [TS]

00:53:47   chocolate sauce on our heads hey great [TS]

00:53:50   he's like it has that feeling right [TS]

00:53:54   where you don't you walk through and the [TS]

00:53:55   engineers are like I don't think that [TS]

00:53:57   your your shoes are creaking too much [TS]

00:53:58   like you should don't you know he'll go [TS]

00:54:01   with the hill you know he or she will [TS]

00:54:03   move to a more more new company don't [TS]

00:54:07   believe you know don't offend them so [TS]

00:54:10   yeah so and I I I encouraged her over [TS]

00:54:13   time to think of herself as a as a as a [TS]

00:54:16   member of the professional community and [TS]

00:54:19   wear shoes that that she doesn't also [TS]

00:54:22   exercise in to work and then left [TS]

00:54:26   fashion advice from well but you know if [TS]

00:54:30   you're dreaming if your man is like [TS]

00:54:33   clued in and that you know her whole [TS]

00:54:35   career she's been intact so there's [TS]

00:54:37   never she's never had a even if she's [TS]

00:54:39   around female mentor that that was like [TS]

00:54:42   oh I like the way you dress everybody's [TS]

00:54:43   just wearing fleece please PLEASE from [TS]

00:54:46   head to toe [TS]

00:54:47   uh-huh and that's true you know that's [TS]

00:54:49   that that's true in seattle to in the [TS]

00:54:50   sense that the billionaire's here dress [TS]

00:54:54   like like they're renting kayaks like [TS]

00:55:00   the guy behind the counter the kayak [TS]

00:55:02   rental place [TS]

00:55:03   alright and so there is no dress code in [TS]

00:55:05   the nicest restaurant in Seattle you [TS]

00:55:07   could never say have a blazer because [TS]

00:55:09   that because the bend of some [TS]

00:55:11   billionaire will sweep in right and you [TS]

00:55:14   know with his pet seal they had a garden [TS]

00:55:18   or herb and forget about my kids of [TS]

00:55:24   water and some fish are fucking bitch [TS]

00:55:27   for Garfunkel my seal and and so yeah [TS]

00:55:31   I've had people come visit from the [TS]

00:55:33   Midwest from back east and they're like [TS]

00:55:34   oh we're you know we're going to dinner [TS]

00:55:36   should i put on something else and Emily [TS]

00:55:37   like in New York City you just you just [TS]

00:55:41   don't go out like that [TS]

00:55:42   no no you don't i mean you know it's [TS]

00:55:45   you're gonna go out like that [TS]

00:55:46   yeah I mean it's you really don't know [TS]

00:55:49   III ii don't know i don't find it like [TS]

00:55:51   kind of like overbearing but I feel like [TS]

00:55:53   it's definitely a thing that you know [TS]

00:55:55   you need to maintain a certain parents [TS]

00:55:57   need to have hard soled shoes and shine [TS]

00:55:58   on and I just wonder at just at like [TS]

00:56:02   whether or not this is a whether or not [TS]

00:56:04   this is a thing where were i'd just i i [TS]

00:56:08   absolutely think that we all are in the [TS]

00:56:10   present moment thinking that this is [TS]

00:56:12   because this is now and we cannot even [TS]

00:56:15   see five hours into the future that this [TS]

00:56:18   let's assume that this will always be [TS]

00:56:20   the case but I really do believe that [TS]

00:56:22   it's let things are cyclical and this [TS]

00:56:24   will cycle back there will be enough [TS]

00:56:27   there will be another era where where [TS]

00:56:31   where there will be a gradual [TS]

00:56:33   realization that appearances do matter [TS]

00:56:35   that that stuff does it you're not [TS]

00:56:38   communicating that you're just a worker [TS]

00:56:39   bee you are communicating that you are [TS]

00:56:41   trying [TS]

00:56:42   let's say trying well it seems at least [TS]

00:56:45   partly to be tied to the economy of the [TS]

00:56:48   feeling of the economy is a classic [TS]

00:56:49   example of you know hemlines going up in [TS]

00:56:52   world war two because there was not much [TS]

00:56:54   cloth and the clothes that you made had [TS]

00:56:55   to be pretty modest so when the new-look [TS]

00:56:57   comes around late forties early fifties [TS]

00:56:59   Long's much like floor length skirts [TS]

00:57:02   just use that fabric but but there's [TS]

00:57:04   also just that sense of like in some [TS]

00:57:06   ways like the more the more weird and [TS]

00:57:09   difficult your life gets the more [TS]

00:57:10   important it becomes to you to look wire [TS]

00:57:13   together right [TS]

00:57:14   mhm so I think that ability to look [TS]

00:57:17   casual or be casual feels tied to a [TS]

00:57:21   certain kind of status or success and [TS]

00:57:23   specifically I remember something like [TS]

00:57:26   casual Friday in the nineties where I [TS]

00:57:28   worked and it was still kind of a [TS]

00:57:30   pissing contest was like who's been well [TS]

00:57:33   not precisely but the but you would [TS]

00:57:35   people come in like what tommy hilfiger [TS]

00:57:37   shirt were you wearing like when you [TS]

00:57:39   were when you were doing cash [TS]

00:57:41   Friday meaning mostly khakis and a shirt [TS]

00:57:43   with no tie you know some guys like [TS]

00:57:45   sales guys would still they basically [TS]

00:57:47   dress like they would any other day [TS]

00:57:48   except they wouldn't have a jacket and [TS]

00:57:49   tie and then the other guys but they [TS]

00:57:51   were constantly competing with like they [TS]

00:57:53   reckon that's that one Jerry Garcia tie [TS]

00:57:54   that that particular again Tommy [TS]

00:57:56   Hilfiger was really big at the time but [TS]

00:57:58   it was still it's still status you you [TS]

00:57:59   wouldn't come in and like a blister [TS]

00:58:01   culture [TS]

00:58:02   well and also right there were there [TS]

00:58:04   were very very definite standards of a [TS]

00:58:07   casual Friday [TS]

00:58:08   oh absolutely you could wear denim you [TS]

00:58:10   yeah you had to have yet to be what that [TS]

00:58:13   was why doctors became a brand doctors [TS]

00:58:17   doctors was the casual Fridays we should [TS]

00:58:20   give us a PBS special you know what you [TS]

00:58:22   should wear my day is special [TS]

00:58:24   brooklyn john go back through go back [TS]

00:58:28   through western all the things you [TS]

00:58:29   thought she understood turns out let's [TS]

00:58:32   talk about doctors this episode brought [TS]

00:58:34   to you by doc but a pop-up I I'd i am [TS]

00:58:40   almost certain that the that when this [TS]

00:58:45   sea change comes you're right it will be [TS]

00:58:48   a reaction to something in the world and [TS]

00:58:51   I imagine you know I think that the this [TS]

00:58:53   rise of authoritarianism that's [TS]

00:58:55   happening in our world and sort of [TS]

00:58:58   across the world where it seems like Oh [TS]

00:59:03   thorat arianism is fashionable now [TS]

00:59:05   that's really unusual that seems like a [TS]

00:59:08   thing that we have for a very long time [TS]

00:59:12   all agreed was not was you know not an [TS]

00:59:16   aspiration always been a long time [TS]

00:59:18   actively unless it was somebody a [TS]

00:59:20   middling level dictator that we needed [TS]

00:59:23   for their resources land bases and [TS]

00:59:26   generally was something that we fought [TS]

00:59:27   for 60 or so years [TS]

00:59:29   well and certainly within ourselves we [TS]

00:59:31   imagined like oh they're little petty [TS]

00:59:33   despot it's around the world at exactly [TS]

00:59:36   as you say that we alive with or battle [TS]

00:59:38   depending on how depending on how much [TS]

00:59:40   oil is under the sand but in America [TS]

00:59:43   we're progressing away from despotism [TS]

00:59:47   think about all the things we we six [TS]

00:59:49   like celebrated over the years became [TS]

00:59:50   particularly the Berlin Wall and the [TS]

00:59:52   blend wall and there's a lot [TS]

00:59:54   layers to why that felt like a success [TS]

00:59:55   one of them was it felt like kind of [TS]

00:59:57   between that glass knows it felt like [TS]

00:59:59   the [TS]

00:59:59   the [TS]

01:00:00   end of soviet-era communist domination [TS]

01:00:03   or the fear of domination like we kind [TS]

01:00:05   of exhale but also just the idea that [TS]

01:00:08   like this wasn't a divided city anymore [TS]

01:00:09   this wasn't a divided Europe anymore [TS]

01:00:11   like and I know that's not entirely true [TS]

01:00:12   but it felt very symbolic which is why [TS]

01:00:15   the van Halen song right now as you so [TS]

01:00:17   often at the time thats that's such a [TS]

01:00:19   great example of how van Halen was on [TS]

01:00:22   the bleeding edge think about just a few [TS]

01:00:24   years later it's all running with the [TS]

01:00:25   devil [TS]

01:00:26   mmm matter what your line for gas star [TS]

01:00:28   wars huh [TS]

01:00:29   right but what should i do enforce my [TS]

01:00:32   netflix chef but I do i do feel like [TS]

01:00:36   this this weird rising authoritarianism [TS]

01:00:38   everybody's worried about Donald Trump [TS]

01:00:40   obviously we can just we can start about [TS]

01:00:42   who is that what's another bus will [TS]

01:00:43   arrive at the the guy that's on [TS]

01:00:45   everybody's lips the the be the a line [TS]

01:00:49   of the modern fashion Donald Trump but i [TS]

01:00:52   don't think that i think that you know [TS]

01:00:53   Trump isn't the problem trying but the [TS]

01:00:55   problem is that 40 million people [TS]

01:00:56   support Trump for the problem [TS]

01:00:58   well 40 million Americans are going to [TS]

01:00:59   vote right yeah right and that's for an [TS]

01:01:02   hour every day that passes they become [TS]

01:01:04   more certain that they are not going to [TS]

01:01:07   change their mind and the more someone [TS]

01:01:08   tries to change their mind the less [TS]

01:01:09   likely they are to change their mind and [TS]

01:01:10   that's what our site still doesn't get [TS]

01:01:12   but but that's 40 million people for [TS]

01:01:15   people like being so but Trump is going [TS]

01:01:17   to win but those 40 million people have [TS]

01:01:20   been you know how are like happily ready [TS]

01:01:25   to have a boss like ready to think about [TS]

01:01:29   the president of the US has like the big [TS]

01:01:31   boss like Idi Amin you know like we're [TS]

01:01:34   gonna call him Papa or whatever there [TS]

01:01:36   that were not that far [TS]

01:01:38   no no no from a lot of people really [TS]

01:01:40   like just coming right out and saying [TS]

01:01:42   think about Joe the clinical Joe how [TS]

01:01:45   people have such mixed feelings about [TS]

01:01:46   Stalin on the one hand there is this [TS]

01:01:48   this huge part of them that was like [TS]

01:01:49   absolutely terrified it had members of [TS]

01:01:51   their family lost you know to to Stalin [TS]

01:01:54   but still had this this strange [TS]

01:01:55   attachment to him yeah he made the [TS]

01:01:58   trains not running on time that's right [TS]

01:01:59   yeah and it wasn't you know but start [TS]

01:02:02   one wasn't we will elect you know they [TS]

01:02:03   weren't elected him but we're going to [TS]

01:02:06   buy we're going to voluntarily it's not [TS]

01:02:08   gonna be trumpet but in the next however [TS]

01:02:10   many years that's gonna rise that that's [TS]

01:02:12   gonna purr [TS]

01:02:13   too late and then someone's gonna come [TS]

01:02:14   along who is appealing who's who's not [TS]

01:02:18   you know who goes boots dog whistling [TS]

01:02:20   but also taking pages from Trump's book [TS]

01:02:23   but he's not repulsive like trumpets and [TS]

01:02:27   it could be you know in the end the [TS]

01:02:28   nixon in china move would be for it to [TS]

01:02:30   be a woman who um and they're just you [TS]

01:02:34   know what this like we're gonna we're [TS]

01:02:37   gonna make America great again model and [TS]

01:02:40   then all of a sudden we're going to be [TS]

01:02:41   the it's going to be very very different [TS]

01:02:44   here [TS]

01:02:44   America is going to feel like Pink [TS]

01:02:46   Floyd's the wall and I think that's when [TS]

01:02:51   more severe fashion will come back in [TS]

01:02:54   because we're going to be using all that [TS]

01:02:56   fabric for all that doctors fabric for [TS]

01:02:59   parachutes right we're not going to be [TS]

01:03:02   able to use that oil and gas that we [TS]

01:03:05   were formerly using to make to make [TS]

01:03:09   t-shirts with like curiously the tech [TS]

01:03:12   logos on them [TS]

01:03:13   we're going to go back to a thing where [TS]

01:03:15   it's like all white shirts for everybody [TS]

01:03:16   you see this side essential link did you [TS]

01:03:19   see this thing David from wrote in the [TS]

01:03:21   Atlantic david from in the on this kind [TS]

01:03:24   of I think go I at least to me this is [TS]

01:03:26   very related to what we talked about a [TS]

01:03:28   few episodes ago on the OG how these [TS]

01:03:31   episodes a lot of people liked and it's [TS]

01:03:35   called why Trump supporters think he'll [TS]

01:03:36   win and david from essentially writes [TS]

01:03:38   this in this first-person all in quotes [TS]

01:03:42   like here's here's the voice of mini [TS]

01:03:46   Trump voters [TS]

01:03:48   oh yeah and i think i think something [TS]

01:03:49   like this is really useful for people to [TS]

01:03:51   because I don't think he's just taking [TS]

01:03:52   the piss out of people i think they're [TS]

01:03:54   there are so many elements of truth in [TS]

01:03:56   and what he's saying that helps us [TS]

01:04:00   understands me understand like my big [TS]

01:04:01   point this is this is not one group of [TS]

01:04:03   people this is many many different [TS]

01:04:05   individual people who see something in [TS]

01:04:07   the mini right i mean that's the part of [TS]

01:04:09   this is like we treat this like a [TS]

01:04:11   movement that's about Donald Trump you [TS]

01:04:12   really you really lose the story [TS]

01:04:14   yeah that's he is this cipher in some [TS]

01:04:18   ways that everybody can project their [TS]

01:04:20   desires and fears anger and in some [TS]

01:04:24   cases hatred by think hatred is not [TS]

01:04:26   nearly as big [TS]

01:04:26   deals it looks like hatred hatred is [TS]

01:04:28   what gets people stirred up but it's [TS]

01:04:30   that feeling of inequity know and that [TS]

01:04:32   feeling of being set aside and that [TS]

01:04:35   feeling of like you know what [TS]

01:04:36   won't get fooled again like I'm so over [TS]

01:04:39   thinking this system works [TS]

01:04:40   yeah so I would encourage listeners to [TS]

01:04:42   go find this flute load of the new boss [TS]

01:04:45   same as the writing and basically saying [TS]

01:04:47   like hey look you know I'm just looking [TS]

01:04:48   at you know examples throughout I think [TS]

01:04:50   it's a very good piece and you know [TS]

01:04:52   everybody talks about you know this this [TS]

01:04:53   great country in the system and like you [TS]

01:04:55   know but you know we feel we these is [TS]

01:04:57   some of his supporters feel very left [TS]

01:04:59   left behind by all these things that you [TS]

01:05:02   want to just kind of patch and like [TS]

01:05:04   we're not left behind in a rapture sense [TS]

01:05:06   no not really but but but maybe [TS]

01:05:09   hey buddy even down to and i'm not [TS]

01:05:11   saying i just think this is a this is a [TS]

01:05:13   thought experiment to read something [TS]

01:05:15   like this and take yourself out of your [TS]

01:05:16   own way of thinking and then try to read [TS]

01:05:18   this at somebody and not just somebody [TS]

01:05:20   who's angry and powerful somebody who's [TS]

01:05:23   may be sad and not powerful and so [TS]

01:05:25   they're looking for someone to make them [TS]

01:05:26   feel powerful [TS]

01:05:27   so so i've been i've been doing this [TS]

01:05:29   exact thought experiment recently not [TS]

01:05:32   just because of OG Holly's but I got a I [TS]

01:05:34   got a message from our good friend Dave [TS]

01:05:36   acres of the of the mcsweeney's Empire [TS]

01:05:41   and he said that he the day the [TS]

01:05:46   description of the pitch was the Trump [TS]

01:05:51   rallies the RNC rallies were using a lot [TS]

01:05:53   of music to punctuate the event and [TS]

01:05:58   almost universally the musicians that [TS]

01:06:00   made that music disapproved yeah of [TS]

01:06:04   being used a time and so eggers was like [TS]

01:06:09   let's make an album of music that where [TS]

01:06:15   the songwriter approves of it being used [TS]

01:06:17   at a at a trump rally so we'll we'll get [TS]

01:06:21   a bunch of musicians and they'll all [TS]

01:06:22   right songs intentionally to be used by [TS]

01:06:26   the republican party [TS]

01:06:28   oh man it's a very eager z idea and so [TS]

01:06:33   any and it's like kind of a rush thing [TS]

01:06:35   and you remember here's a dictionary for [TS]

01:06:37   a new America and soundtrack for a new [TS]

01:06:39   America that happened a long time ago [TS]

01:06:42   now i think during the election for the [TS]

01:06:46   second George W Bush election right that [TS]

01:06:49   would have been 2003 or 2000 2000 brings [TS]

01:06:55   an hour and that was actually that [TS]

01:06:57   record was the debut appearance of the [TS]

01:07:00   commander thanks a lot huh [TS]

01:07:02   the commander thinks aloud as mixed and [TS]

01:07:04   shepherded by John Flansburg so it was [TS]

01:07:07   before it had before was released and it [TS]

01:07:10   was put on this album of of tunes done [TS]

01:07:14   by x bar sook and and Eggers as a kind [TS]

01:07:18   of support for for not bush and so it's [TS]

01:07:24   this new idea and so I went upstairs and [TS]

01:07:26   started writing a song for inclusion on [TS]

01:07:30   this record and I didn't want to do [TS]

01:07:32   because a lot of my friends fellow [TS]

01:07:33   musicians are going to be on the album [TS]

01:07:35   and it's like it [TS]

01:07:37   what the the the stated sort of mission [TS]

01:07:42   is I i know i know the other songwriters [TS]

01:07:45   I know how it's going to be interpreted [TS]

01:07:47   by them or i assume i know because it's [TS]

01:07:50   so open-ended it's like write a song for [TS]

01:07:51   the RNC and i'm i'm i'm kind of guessing [TS]

01:07:54   what up what we're going to get from [TS]

01:07:56   everybody and I was like you know I'm [TS]

01:07:58   gonna write a song that true i'm going [TS]

01:08:01   to try and write what is like really in [TS]

01:08:03   really an anthem for them not a song [TS]

01:08:08   that's like screw you guys here's your [TS]

01:08:10   song i hope you choke on it like yeah [TS]

01:08:13   this is the song that a trump supporter [TS]

01:08:14   would write and so of course it sounds [TS]

01:08:18   like a little bit of a tom petty and a [TS]

01:08:21   little bit of john cougar mellencamp and [TS]

01:08:24   I'm right i'm writing this tune in in [TS]

01:08:27   the voice of somebody who's just fed up [TS]

01:08:30   you know fed up with like the DMV and [TS]

01:08:33   fed up with the nanny state the real [TS]

01:08:37   thanks Obama song whom and about three [TS]

01:08:40   quarters of the way through writing and [TS]

01:08:41   singing is I it started to feel very [TS]

01:08:44   dangerous [TS]

01:08:46   because you know it was it was like a [TS]

01:08:49   force vessel eat ya little bit you know [TS]

01:08:56   yeah we can rally around this we've been [TS]

01:08:57   aggrieved and and I and I and I was [TS]

01:09:00   trying very hard not to sing it in a [TS]

01:09:02   like yeah I'm going to get to get back [TS]

01:09:05   to America girls like that what our [TS]

01:09:07   troops [TS]

01:09:07   oh thank you for your service [TS]

01:09:11   I wasn't I wasn't gonna do that we're [TS]

01:09:13   going to nashville it [TS]

01:09:14   yeah I was just I was going to sing it [TS]

01:09:16   because a lot of that RNC stuff that [TS]

01:09:18   they choose is is just rock and roll [TS]

01:09:21   music it's not trying to be it's not [TS]

01:09:23   trying to be country and so i was i was [TS]

01:09:27   writing it as tom petty song so its [TS]

01:09:29   roots II roots II and I was getting into [TS]

01:09:32   just the pole write a song write a rock [TS]

01:09:34   song thing isn't residency orgy a good [TS]

01:09:37   good question it is in C ok and you know [TS]

01:09:41   just enjoying myself and like right rock [TS]

01:09:44   song and the and I was trying to make [TS]

01:09:45   the lyrics not exaggerated for comedic [TS]

01:09:49   effect you know you on the nose about [TS]

01:09:51   you on the nose and so it is so it [TS]

01:09:53   obviously is a sarcastic tune I was I [TS]

01:09:56   was I was ratcheting it back so that it [TS]

01:09:59   also was sort of dog dog Wesley you know [TS]

01:10:02   you say like urban problems or make [TS]

01:10:04   America great again in order to [TS]

01:10:06   camouflage or your racism and it was [TS]

01:10:10   turning into a good song with a chorus [TS]

01:10:15   of weapons-grade parody know America [TS]

01:10:18   proud i'm proud like I'm proud of my [TS]

01:10:21   heritage [TS]

01:10:22   I'm not a bigot but I'm proud of my [TS]

01:10:24   heritage sure it's like em [TS]

01:10:27   this song is going to get on the radio [TS]

01:10:28   and it was the same kind of room thing [TS]

01:10:31   of like get inside that get inside that [TS]

01:10:34   mind and it's internally consistent and [TS]

01:10:38   it does you know it does evoke feelings [TS]

01:10:41   of pride and and American exceptionalism [TS]

01:10:45   and all the stuff that was like I I'm [TS]

01:10:48   very curious to see how this song turns [TS]

01:10:50   out but did you know it sounds like an [TS]

01:10:52   from hearing you as the song took shape [TS]

01:10:55   and you start to feel more like a song [TS]

01:10:57   or even putting potentially good song [TS]

01:10:59   that was not troubling to you well in [TS]

01:11:02   the sense that you don't want to be 22 [TS]

01:11:03   good as i was writing the lyrics i was [TS]

01:11:06   conscious of you know where i was i was [TS]

01:11:09   very into the art of of camouflaging the [TS]

01:11:15   true meaning by using sort of platitude [TS]

01:11:20   no language and and the and it was very [TS]

01:11:26   it was very obvious to me and hilarious [TS]

01:11:28   like certain words but also certain word [TS]

01:11:31   order where you were describing [TS]

01:11:36   situations in a in a in a very colored [TS]

01:11:39   way right like why should what if [TS]

01:11:42   somebody work to build a small business [TS]

01:11:44   who are we to tell them who they [TS]

01:11:45   conserve uh-huh type of thing where as [TS]

01:11:49   as the language government as I was [TS]

01:11:50   honing it more and more then I forgot [TS]

01:11:54   and then I then the fourth time I was [TS]

01:11:56   singing it trying to get the melody [TS]

01:11:58   right i forgot the irony i forgot i was [TS]

01:12:02   being clever because the the the [TS]

01:12:10   platitudes are just easy to sing and the [TS]

01:12:14   platitudes themselves are hard to [TS]

01:12:16   disagree with yeah I do support our [TS]

01:12:18   freedoms right so third fourth time [TS]

01:12:21   through [TS]

01:12:21   I was just singing it or even even that [TS]

01:12:23   even that you know we think about most [TS]

01:12:25   patriotic songs have something that you [TS]

01:12:28   know talk about the greatness of the [TS]

01:12:29   country but also then that and that we [TS]

01:12:31   are under threat and we deal with that [TS]

01:12:33   because we have to because what we got [TS]

01:12:36   here can't go away [TS]

01:12:37   that's right which is not i mean that's [TS]

01:12:39   that's the star-spangled banner sure and [TS]

01:12:42   that's that's really a lot of love songs [TS]

01:12:43   2 we've gotta yeah we are and our love [TS]

01:12:46   against all of the all things that are [TS]

01:12:48   going to keep us apart [TS]

01:12:49   I think when people are trying to do a [TS]

01:12:52   parody sometimes when people are trying [TS]

01:12:54   to do a parody of these these dum-dums [TS]

01:12:55   that support Trump in their mind I think [TS]

01:12:58   they get the tone of it a little bit [TS]

01:12:59   wrong because the total dot two-tone of [TS]

01:13:01   Donald Trump the reason people like [TS]

01:13:03   Donald Trump is because they articulate [TS]

01:13:05   something he articulates that they have [TS]

01:13:06   trouble articulating on their own [TS]

01:13:08   he's doing well it's no different than [TS]

01:13:09   culture or rush limbaugh at a different [TS]

01:13:12   time I think what you miss is the [TS]

01:13:14   sadness and the hurt and yeah a little [TS]

01:13:17   bit about feeling threatened but the [TS]

01:13:19   feeling threatened is what comes through [TS]

01:13:20   in Donald Trump's rhetoric the reading [TS]

01:13:22   of these people on the street says [TS]

01:13:23   everything has changed so fast [TS]

01:13:25   nothing is getting better and I feel [TS]

01:13:27   really threatened and I feel sad because [TS]

01:13:29   the things that used to be a tradition [TS]

01:13:30   that everybody in my community family [TS]

01:13:32   understood have gone away and now i feel [TS]

01:13:34   under threat [TS]

01:13:35   now you can agree or disagree with that [TS]

01:13:36   emotion but we've all had that emotion [TS]

01:13:38   and we can understand that emotion it's [TS]

01:13:40   not even that far off of a song about [TS]

01:13:42   your ex-girlfriend but to get the tone [TS]

01:13:44   right you can't just be angry [TS]

01:13:46   it can't just be jingoistic it has to be [TS]

01:13:48   about how something it's got to be [TS]

01:13:51   almost like a ballad we're like [TS]

01:13:52   something precious is going away it [TS]

01:13:55   might be too late to say that but we [TS]

01:13:57   have to try but that's not until you [TS]

01:14:00   follow what I'm saying that I mean I [TS]

01:14:01   think people focused so heavily on all [TS]

01:14:03   this [TS]

01:14:03   they call it racism they call it a call [TS]

01:14:05   you think that's what Donald Trump says [TS]

01:14:07   that's not what all these people that [TS]

01:14:09   you meet at a rally say and what if we [TS]

01:14:11   don't get that right we're gonna fuck [TS]

01:14:13   this up hard they feel under threat [TS]

01:14:14   because you know in a lot of cases they [TS]

01:14:16   legitimately are there's a there's quite [TS]

01:14:18   a bit of culture on the internet now [TS]

01:14:21   that says white men can't complain about [TS]

01:14:24   their problems you know you're not [TS]

01:14:26   allowed to present your gonna want to [TS]

01:14:29   participate in this let alone be mad [TS]

01:14:30   about this [TS]

01:14:31   yeah right i mean you just told me a [TS]

01:14:32   minute ago that I wasn't you know that [TS]

01:14:33   women [TS]

01:14:34   oh just love to have men comment on [TS]

01:14:36   their clothes and that is a better [TS]

01:14:39   within our culture right that's a that's [TS]

01:14:40   obviously what I said but no don't take [TS]

01:14:43   it but you know like that's it that we [TS]

01:14:44   consider that was for other women let's [TS]

01:14:46   be honest that we consider that a [TS]

01:14:48   legitimate critique and and something [TS]

01:14:50   that we say in good humour to one [TS]

01:14:51   another right but but that that voice is [TS]

01:14:56   you know you transmit through three [TS]

01:14:58   cultural apertures and somebody out in [TS]

01:15:01   the world is just like what I can't i'm [TS]

01:15:04   not allowed to say anything anymore and [TS]

01:15:06   they do they feel like it's all being [TS]

01:15:08   directed at that all targeted at them [TS]

01:15:10   because in on the west coast [TS]

01:15:13   it's not considered radical that we [TS]

01:15:17   would try and have a diversity but in [TS]

01:15:22   Oklahoma what that what that effectively [TS]

01:15:25   means is that they're no longer that [TS]

01:15:28   they are they are being it's mandated [TS]

01:15:29   now that they not be able to do business [TS]

01:15:31   the way they always have and that's [TS]

01:15:33   that's again part of this heuristic down [TS]

01:15:34   this could be this could be a wonderful [TS]

01:15:37   coincidence or is not positive but so [TS]

01:15:40   many things have changed the spin look [TS]

01:15:41   at the way that it's more difficult than [TS]

01:15:43   ever for somebody who does not have the [TS]

01:15:45   right kind of college education to know [TS]

01:15:47   they can get a good job if you have a [TS]

01:15:49   good college education and you've got [TS]

01:15:50   debt that's still that's a pretty pretty [TS]

01:15:52   tough gig but the people for people who [TS]

01:15:54   don't have that the things that used to [TS]

01:15:56   be what right wrong or otherwise just [TS]

01:15:58   hear me out of the things that used to [TS]

01:15:59   be in place whether that was tradition [TS]

01:16:01   where those cultural his family whether [TS]

01:16:03   that was familiarity like alongside all [TS]

01:16:05   of those kinds of economic things going [TS]

01:16:07   away now alongside that and probably [TS]

01:16:10   coincidentally the ever it's becoming [TS]

01:16:12   more diverse which feels threatening [TS]

01:16:14   that's threatening to people if you live [TS]

01:16:16   in if you live in Washington or New York [TS]

01:16:18   or Seattle or San Francisco [TS]

01:16:20   I mean it's great to be in a diverse [TS]

01:16:22   community and you're used to that [TS]

01:16:23   because that's what's there that if you [TS]

01:16:25   see the economy going down as people of [TS]

01:16:28   different backgrounds are coming around [TS]

01:16:29   or you see them being fought for when [TS]

01:16:31   you feel not for I don't think that's [TS]

01:16:33   that difficult to understand i'm not [TS]

01:16:35   saying it's right but I don't think it's [TS]

01:16:37   I don't think it's impossible to [TS]

01:16:38   understand and if you don't use to try [TS]

01:16:40   to understand it you're gonna lose lose [TS]

01:16:42   lose this race particularly because the [TS]

01:16:46   diversity that we are trumpeting in our [TS]

01:16:49   West Coast cities is still not truly [TS]

01:16:52   diversity right i mean we are also [TS]

01:16:54   struggling even in the evenin the hotbed [TS]

01:16:58   who have like intellectual pursuit [TS]

01:17:04   intellectual and practical pursuit of a [TS]

01:17:07   world devoid of of discrimination [TS]

01:17:11   we're a long way from it and so at the [TS]

01:17:13   theoretical level we're pushing pushing [TS]

01:17:15   pushing to expand the franchise and to [TS]

01:17:19   you know to be as radical as we can be [TS]

01:17:21   in terms of trying to be inclusive [TS]

01:17:25   and so people out in the you know in the [TS]

01:17:28   center of the country are already [TS]

01:17:30   struggling with the amount of diversity [TS]

01:17:31   that we were whether we were aspiring to [TS]

01:17:34   1982 alongside infrastructure that is [TS]

01:17:36   fucking falling apart right the idea i [TS]

01:17:38   heard this I'm just parroting something [TS]

01:17:40   I heard in the last few days but you [TS]

01:17:42   know it's you know how the record [TS]

01:17:44   industry and a lot of entertainment we [TS]

01:17:46   gotta really false idea of what was [TS]

01:17:48   possible with cds because of the middle [TS]

01:17:51   late nineties that became their [TS]

01:17:53   unintentional benchmark for what music [TS]

01:17:54   sales should be and when that so that [TS]

01:17:56   name is this another funny coincidence [TS]

01:17:58   of history that right at the time at cds [TS]

01:18:00   with the most profitable there's an [TS]

01:18:01   under never been a spike in sales of [TS]

01:18:05   music like there had been with cds and [TS]

01:18:06   it never been as profitable and instead [TS]

01:18:08   of saying wow we had a good half decade [TS]

01:18:10   they said I guess this will keep going [TS]

01:18:12   for 20 years and when it went away in [TS]

01:18:14   two years maybe they were totally blown [TS]

01:18:16   away [TS]

01:18:17   that's not dissimilar from from what [TS]

01:18:19   we're talking about here [TS]

01:18:20   mhm what I worry all the time and I [TS]

01:18:23   think a lot of us to do you think the [TS]

01:18:24   seventies if you think the seventies in [TS]

01:18:26   most normal cities the early seventies [TS]

01:18:28   late sixties if you think living in [TS]

01:18:29   Detroit and sixties was the benchmark [TS]

01:18:31   for what you can expect from an urban [TS]

01:18:32   City you have the wrong idea you had a [TS]

01:18:34   lucky break for a while [TS]

01:18:35   uh-huh uh-huh I worry about twitter [TS]

01:18:39   twitter that the company well-known I [TS]

01:18:42   don't care about Twitter the company but [TS]

01:18:43   we have invested so much of our lives on [TS]

01:18:45   Twitter and the benchmark and when a lot [TS]

01:18:48   of us are still are still a back in [TS]

01:18:52   2010-2011 and what and we ever we've [TS]

01:18:58   been sounding the death knell for this [TS]

01:19:01   this cultural marketplace sense 2011 but [TS]

01:19:06   it's still there [TS]

01:19:07   I still go there multiple times a day [TS]

01:19:09   and I still put in some ways my best [TS]

01:19:13   thoughts there or at least you know or [TS]

01:19:15   at least I am trying their I'm within [TS]

01:19:17   twitter i'm trying and have been now for [TS]

01:19:19   years like we're coming up on what not [TS]

01:19:23   10 years yeah [TS]

01:19:25   yep you know 10 years coming up you know [TS]

01:19:27   and so you think about how long [TS]

01:19:30   twitter has been very central both to my [TS]

01:19:33   news gathering my [TS]

01:19:36   it's too it's still an elongation [TS]

01:19:39   socializing unwinding making friends [TS]

01:19:42   yeah at the very very game and and so [TS]

01:19:46   each one of these new social media [TS]

01:19:49   incursions snapping the latest i like it [TS]

01:19:57   threatens my club and I I'm very afraid [TS]

01:20:03   with each decline in the quality of [TS]

01:20:06   Twitter and each and we've just [TS]

01:20:08   weathered i think a period where it was [TS]

01:20:11   just it was it had become so toxic there [TS]

01:20:14   yeah that but we can't we all stayed [TS]

01:20:16   there are a lot of a lot of the people [TS]

01:20:19   that I'm that make up my world are still [TS]

01:20:22   there and still Sweden we met each other [TS]

01:20:25   and I and some have dropped away [TS]

01:20:28   I don't I don't I don't see the colon is [TS]

01:20:30   barely there [TS]

01:20:32   Hodgman is much less there but i'm still [TS]

01:20:34   treat themselves sweetened and I'm very [TS]

01:20:38   much in his Instagram though you're not [TS]

01:20:40   putting out as many words as he is 2 for [TS]

01:20:42   sure that's that's true that's true my [TS]

01:20:44   tweets are not as good and you know I [TS]

01:20:47   always hated people that tweeted links [TS]

01:20:49   to their tumblr i want to go to your [TS]

01:20:50   tumblr but now i'm out there tweeting [TS]

01:20:53   links to my Instagram and it's not a [TS]

01:20:56   positive sign that [TS]

01:20:57   yeah but your description mean that goes [TS]

01:20:59   well I i have to seem sensitive but I [TS]

01:21:02   mean we have to say that I feel like I [TS]

01:21:04   have to say yeah there are a lot of [TS]

01:21:05   people who just left as they had to [TS]

01:21:06   because they got chased off of twitter [TS]

01:21:08   us into more privileged position sitting [TS]

01:21:10   here who can say like wow sometimes they [TS]

01:21:12   really feel like leaving here but will [TS]

01:21:13   face anything like what some other [TS]

01:21:15   people face like for us it's like oh my [TS]

01:21:17   god this is so boring or this got mean [TS]

01:21:19   if I look in this area but we don't get [TS]

01:21:20   the same kind of treatment that a lot of [TS]

01:21:22   people get well it's true but we also [TS]

01:21:24   have really really a truncated what we [TS]

01:21:29   say in our language i mean i know you [TS]

01:21:31   and i both oh yeah [TS]

01:21:32   tweet within the contact with in a [TS]

01:21:35   modern context where it isn't just a [TS]

01:21:38   question of being being actually [TS]

01:21:41   sensitive to other people and actually [TS]

01:21:44   like actually changing ourselves in a [TS]

01:21:46   positive way where we understand that [TS]

01:21:48   there's responsibility to broadcast [TS]

01:21:50   but also just fear of tweeting something [TS]

01:21:54   that absolutely makes sense but what if [TS]

01:21:58   it is potentially misunderstood by the [TS]

01:22:00   two percent of people that are looking [TS]

01:22:01   for a problem you know it's just not [TS]

01:22:04   worth the effort [TS]

01:22:05   well if you know anything about you [TS]

01:22:06   there i was a time when I was much more [TS]

01:22:07   confident for a variety of reasons in [TS]

01:22:10   trusting that whatever I said would be [TS]

01:22:12   understood in a certain tone in a [TS]

01:22:14   certain context by people who are [TS]

01:22:16   familiar with certain references and so [TS]

01:22:18   there was a time when I would be a [TS]

01:22:19   little bit more ambitious about what I [TS]

01:22:20   was doing but I do feel and i'm not [TS]

01:22:22   saying this is always bad but I out one [TS]

01:22:25   thing definitely has changes i'm trying [TS]

01:22:26   to be more sensitive to not saying [TS]

01:22:28   things that are hurtful without knowing [TS]

01:22:29   i'm doing it and like you know I don't [TS]

01:22:31   want to be hurtful [TS]

01:22:32   I don't want to be unkind to people and [TS]

01:22:34   that's just a personal change that I [TS]

01:22:35   hope is reflected on Twitter for to [TS]

01:22:37   specific people in particular but you [TS]

01:22:40   just can no longer trust that people are [TS]

01:22:42   going to understand what you meant to [TS]

01:22:44   say and who you were saying it to right [TS]

01:22:46   and when that when you get that wrong [TS]

01:22:48   unintentionally or in usually [TS]

01:22:50   unintentionally like there are such [TS]

01:22:52   ramifications of that now [TS]

01:22:53   yeah and it all has to do is go one [TS]

01:22:56   iteration out from what you consider [TS]

01:22:58   your family and it and you know its [TS]

01:23:02   broadcast actually pretty soon it's a [TS]

01:23:03   lot of guys in suits and ties in their [TS]

01:23:05   avatar [TS]

01:23:05   oh here they come here then something [TS]

01:23:07   dies a lot of guys with the American [TS]

01:23:09   flags in their avatar [TS]

01:23:10   I don't know I get the most trouble like [TS]

01:23:12   I died 25 people to show me differently [TS]

01:23:14   but I get the most trouble i get is from [TS]

01:23:15   guys whose pictures did then with a girl [TS]

01:23:18   presumably or god bless you if you have [TS]

01:23:20   that is your photo but a lot of people [TS]

01:23:22   within a certain type the thai people [TS]

01:23:24   causing problems for me [TS]

01:23:25   interesting i can i get a lot of like [TS]

01:23:27   well no actually Bernie Sanders is a [TS]

01:23:29   sellout from this guy's I see I see what [TS]

01:23:31   you're saying [TS]

01:23:32   I I there's there is absolutely a an [TS]

01:23:35   element of people swinging on a vine [TS]

01:23:37   insulting me and then when i say goodbye [TS]

01:23:42   they go oh well I guess you're you know [TS]

01:23:44   I guess you're not interested in a in a [TS]

01:23:46   in a debate and I go no I'm not [TS]

01:23:50   and they say why are you publishing why [TS]

01:23:53   are you broadcasting why why why why are [TS]

01:23:56   you publish it why are you going into [TS]

01:23:57   the public sphere right if you're not [TS]

01:23:59   prepared to deal with every single [TS]

01:24:01   monkey that that comes at you [TS]

01:24:03   it's like look man I'm not coming to [TS]

01:24:04   your Twitter feed and talk to you about [TS]

01:24:07   your shit [TS]

01:24:08   uh-huh this isn't this isn't the this is [TS]

01:24:12   not a public service right i am not [TS]

01:24:14   obligated to you this is my little this [TS]

01:24:18   is my place and it made it to you and [TS]

01:24:21   now you've really replied and goodbye [TS]

01:24:23   fuck you just because you figured out [TS]

01:24:25   how the door works doesn't mean you get [TS]

01:24:26   to come and sit on my couch it [TS]

01:24:29   yeah but but i don't know but i can't [TS]

01:24:32   see the future either and I know [TS]

01:24:33   everyone's well I don't mind a little [TS]

01:24:35   shit on my couch but uh huh [TS]

01:24:36   but but looking five years from now and [TS]

01:24:40   try to imagine what my relationship is [TS]

01:24:42   to this new public world i was trying to [TS]

01:24:45   date was on the other day and he said [TS]

01:24:47   his new goal for himself is for the next [TS]

01:24:49   five years to release an album every [TS]

01:24:51   January 22nd wow and i was like it was [TS]

01:24:55   very inspiring to me Dave works very [TS]

01:24:57   hard [TS]

01:24:57   what's the significance of that date I [TS]

01:24:59   don't believe there is one or least he [TS]

01:25:01   didn't communicate that there was one [TS]

01:25:03   and that would be one of the things he [TS]

01:25:04   would have communicated I think he just [TS]

01:25:06   said it arbitrarily but you know looking [TS]

01:25:11   ahead five years ambitious to the idea [TS]

01:25:13   that he will have released five records [TS]

01:25:15   it bitches too ambitious say you're [TS]

01:25:17   going to do one advantage to say you can [TS]

01:25:19   do more than one but it's really [TS]

01:25:20   ambitious to put yourself on that [TS]

01:25:21   particular unerring schedule that's a [TS]

01:25:26   lot of what to do [TS]

01:25:28   it's a lot to do it and it feels like it [TS]

01:25:30   feels like k an act against vanity in [TS]

01:25:35   the sense that if that records got if [TS]

01:25:37   it's coming out january twenty second [TS]

01:25:38   that means you have to be done with it [TS]

01:25:40   august twenty second because it takes [TS]

01:25:41   that long right factor stuff and so if [TS]

01:25:45   you have to be done with 10 songs by [TS]

01:25:46   August 22nd you have to not be vain [TS]

01:25:51   about your song so you cannot be [TS]

01:25:53   Precious about that you have to just be [TS]

01:25:54   like this song is done moving on [TS]

01:25:56   yeah it's like you're making burgers and [TS]

01:25:57   like you're not going to be judged on [TS]

01:25:59   the one great burger you made this year [TS]

01:26:01   you're not gonna have a business if you [TS]

01:26:02   don't keep percent and that that seems [TS]

01:26:04   that seems great to me and and like [TS]

01:26:07   crazy but like crazy in a great way but [TS]

01:26:10   thinking about how five years ago I [TS]

01:26:13   would have tried to promote a new album [TS]

01:26:16   fight had 15 years ago yeah and think [TS]

01:26:19   about how i would try to promote it now [TS]

01:26:20   I cannot imagine how I'm going to try [TS]

01:26:23   and promote it five years from now [TS]

01:26:24   particularly if i make if I make one [TS]

01:26:26   year which I almost certainly will not [TS]

01:26:29   but but even now five years ago I would [TS]

01:26:33   have used Twitter a certain way now it's [TS]

01:26:35   sort of like every single day i log on [TS]

01:26:38   and my friends are trying to promote [TS]

01:26:39   their things [TS]

01:26:40   nobody's listening what is what how and [TS]

01:26:44   Emma are we going to retire like are we [TS]

01:26:47   at the age now we're going to require [TS]

01:26:49   going to gradually recede from that [TS]

01:26:50   scene and partly I think it's that's why [TS]

01:26:54   I signed up for snapchat today because [TS]

01:26:56   I'm not quite ready to to be the last be [TS]

01:27:01   over on twitter with the molds and not [TS]

01:27:05   be not be inexplicably on snapchat with [TS]

01:27:09   that with the with the news sure [TS]

01:27:11   mhm um but i don't know how many more of [TS]

01:27:15   those progressions i'll be able to make [TS]

01:27:18   just because the because probably the [TS]

01:27:21   next one will require a knowledge of [TS]

01:27:25   references that that will exclude that [TS]

01:27:27   was the one your daughter will be on ya [TS]

01:27:29   and there or maybe not her but there [TS]

01:27:32   will be that interesting item from where [TS]

01:27:34   it's still be on it sooner than you [TS]

01:27:36   think maybe so if you know if she can if [TS]

01:27:40   she can climb her way out of my of the [TS]

01:27:42   padded room in the basement where she [TS]

01:27:43   lives [TS]

01:27:44   daddy has perfect [TS]