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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 216: "You Could Do Less Magic"

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/0">TS</a>]

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00:00:11 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/11">TS</a>]

00:00:17 ◼   ► hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/17">TS</a>]

00:00:21 ◼   ► good it's little early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah you know it is it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/23">TS</a>]

00:00:26 ◼   ► actually we're starting early good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/26">TS</a>]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28 ◼   ► yeah 3 minutes early ding dong woo hoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/28">TS</a>]

00:00:33 ◼   ► that's how about the place next door how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36 ◼   ► they're like renovating for two months I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38 ◼   ► told you about this right yeah you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40 ◼   ► oh my god citizens of banging the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42 ◼   ► out yeah there's some banging also i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46 ◼   ► mean it's gonna clear this up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/46">TS</a>]

00:00:47 ◼   ► there may be some noise i will do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49 ◼   ► usual poor attempt to mute but uh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/49">TS</a>]

00:00:53 ◼   ► think this play it's a shitshow the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Terran stuff i think these guys might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57 ◼   ► a little bit off the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58 ◼   ► mmm the contractors they've got busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/58">TS</a>]

00:01:02 ◼   ► yeah i mean for example my daughter I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/62">TS</a>]

00:01:06 ◼   ► like to walk by and just gonna stick our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/66">TS</a>]

00:01:07 ◼   ► heads in to see what's going on course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09 ◼   ► yes so we noticed that they tour of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11 ◼   ► bunch of the floor and there were lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14 ◼   ► of like several inches to a foot deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16 ◼   ► pools of water in the place which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18 ◼   ► doesn't seem normal as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/78">TS</a>]

00:01:20 ◼   ► demolition process knowing you it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/80">TS</a>]

00:01:22 ◼   ► very sandy soil where you are absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24 ◼   ► should be excellent drainage yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/84">TS</a>]

00:01:27 ◼   ► you think so and but then we walked by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30 ◼   ► and there was a whole bunch of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the orange like heavy duty extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35 ◼   ► cord how the budget that's sitting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37 ◼   ► pool of water right now listen I'm no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40 ◼   ► junior high safety video but just here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42 ◼   ► to say I don't know if that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44 ◼   ► practicing construction was it plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46 ◼   ► into anything like just resting my just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48 ◼   ► been storing it in the water was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/108">TS</a>]

00:01:49 ◼   ► guess it's safe for me that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51 ◼   ► that's actually pretty standard yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53 ◼   ► pretty standard yet women if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/113">TS</a>]

00:01:56 ◼   ► read the manual actually if you buy an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57 ◼   ► extension cord was right on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59 ◼   ► stormwater don't snore at the store in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/119">TS</a>]

00:02:02 ◼   ► standing water storage standing water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04 ◼   ► um listen one thing huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/124">TS</a>]

00:02:08 ◼   ► you know what standing water gets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10 ◼   ► gas face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11 ◼   ► yeah boom you know what I i forgot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/131">TS</a>]

00:02:14 ◼   ► get mine on keyboard all i have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/134">TS</a>]

00:02:15 ◼   ► now Mikey Porsha get my show you my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17 ◼   ► keyboard yeah i don't know i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19 ◼   ► people like to hear the keyboard because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20 ◼   ► they know they know that research being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23 ◼   ► done they know that they know the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26 ◼   ► is getting you know what I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28 ◼   ► let's let's let's let's clear the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30 ◼   ► about this because people right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33 ◼   ► i do it right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/153">TS</a>]

00:02:34 ◼   ► they were they right in a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35 ◼   ► letters yeah you know and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38 ◼   ► everybody's got a thought in that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/158">TS</a>]

00:02:39 ◼   ► ok but you know if you hear me typing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42 ◼   ► johns talking please don't assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44 ◼   ► i'm bored assume that it's my job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46 ◼   ► make the show go and have to show things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and sometimes that requires typing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50 ◼   ► today you're really gonna hear it see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/170">TS</a>]

00:02:51 ◼   ► this i haven't used this one in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/171">TS</a>]

00:02:52 ◼   ► but this is what this one sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the thing that the thing that viewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/173">TS</a>]

00:02:58 ◼   ► should know is that you know it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00 ◼   ► cannot on this show who you cannot let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/180">TS</a>]

00:03:03 ◼   ► your guard down for a second all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/183">TS</a>]

00:03:04 ◼   ► kidding me you know like you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06 ◼   ► get bored and start surfing the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08 ◼   ► because whoa you might come back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/188">TS</a>]

00:03:11 ◼   ► the conversation and we're all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13 ◼   ► out you know we're all the way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16 ◼   ► talking about which dog is which Beatle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19 ◼   ► you know like what if you had to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21 ◼   ► velvet painting of the beatles as dog on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23 ◼   ► capturing that who would be what right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25 ◼   ► you're gonna and you're going to just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27 ◼   ► like oh sorry i was surfing the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/207">TS</a>]

00:03:28 ◼   ► I i didn't get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31 ◼   ► july worry I lose sleep over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33 ◼   ► because i think a lot of people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35 ◼   ► god bless you I'm glad you're enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/215">TS</a>]

00:03:36 ◼   ► podcast welcome i'm glad but I worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/216">TS</a>]

00:03:39 ◼   ► sometimes that people get so used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/219">TS</a>]

00:03:40 ◼   ► listen to these goddamn spoon-fed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43 ◼   ► podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/223">TS</a>]

00:03:44 ◼   ► wow you know in a good way like I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46 ◼   ► it's nice relaxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/226">TS</a>]

00:03:47 ◼   ► sure sure this kind of shows we go like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/227">TS</a>]

00:03:50 ◼   ► hey we're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/230">TS</a>]

00:03:51 ◼   ► here's the thing we're talking about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52 ◼   ► this is what we're going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/232">TS</a>]

00:03:53 ◼   ► here you can't do that you can't go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55 ◼   ► a beverage and just hope you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57 ◼   ► catch up your mind gold you're leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59 ◼   ► color in the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00 ◼   ► I think a lot of the reason that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02 ◼   ► listen to this program over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04 ◼   ► four sometimes five times all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06 ◼   ► through the entire series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08 ◼   ► who is it the first time I listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10 ◼   ► on in their car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11 ◼   ► yeah matter like i didn't get all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13 ◼   ► and so the second time I listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15 ◼   ► while they were doing the dishes still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/255">TS</a>]

00:04:19 ◼   ► who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/259">TS</a>]

00:04:20 ◼   ► so the third time they sat in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22 ◼   ► living rooms upstairs 3rd time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23 ◼   ► angry the other angry there staring at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the speaker now they're not listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27 ◼   ► internet put it on this the speaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29 ◼   ► have seen accuracies their lives staring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31 ◼   ► at the speaker yeah they realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34 ◼   ► wasn't enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35 ◼   ► uh-huh but you know the sixth time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37 ◼   ► listen you realize it's really your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/277">TS</a>]

00:04:38 ◼   ► fault as a listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/278">TS</a>]

00:04:40 ◼   ► well the six-time presumably you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42 ◼   ► transcript in your hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/282">TS</a>]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yeah you're listening to the program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45 ◼   ► eyes closed in front of a speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48 ◼   ► Johnny are you checking your email why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49 ◼   ► you're doing this no I'm afraid you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52 ◼   ► cannot know you gonna sit you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54 ◼   ► sit like a gentleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55 ◼   ► yeah and you're gonna listen you for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57 ◼   ► those notes you took in your Italian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58 ◼   ► nope you're gonna realize how much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/298">TS</a>]

00:04:59 ◼   ► got wrong because you miss things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02 ◼   ► your car is your is your child sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03 ◼   ► in a car seat babbling some fucking kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06 ◼   ► nonsense to me know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08 ◼   ► no leave it that's right are you sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/308">TS</a>]

00:05:11 ◼   ► are you waiting for the light to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12 ◼   ► right all the food there's a lot to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15 ◼   ► i was at a conference this past week who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18 ◼   ► you went all the way to the sudden so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20 ◼   ► conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/320">TS</a>]

00:05:20 ◼   ► yeah the wonderful zoso conference uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22 ◼   ► run by wonderful and bees and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/322">TS</a>]

00:05:26 ◼   ► there were a lot of podcasters there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28 ◼   ► no yeah it's it's lousy with podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30 ◼   ► lousy with podcast also look at a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:31 ◼   ► makers there John every single person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34 ◼   ► there was a maker who or a creative some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37 ◼   ► kind but the and and they're more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/337">TS</a>]

00:05:41 ◼   ► that I'm gonna circle back to that ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43 ◼   ► but a lot of podcasters and also a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45 ◼   ► of podcast consumers interesting so in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48 ◼   ► way it was sort of a podcast trade fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/348">TS</a>]

00:05:51 ◼   ► huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53 ◼   ► there are a lot of booths a you would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/353">TS</a>]

00:05:56 ◼   ► around and pick up swagg each booth as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/356">TS</a>]

00:05:59 ◼   ► long as they could get your email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/359">TS</a>]

00:06:00 ◼   ► address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01 ◼   ► yeah sure no no that's not how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03 ◼   ► happened at all but a lot of people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04 ◼   ► to talk to me first of all I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05 ◼   ► talk to me about you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07 ◼   ► yeah because they say oh merlin mann is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it true that and I'm like let me stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12 ◼   ► you right there probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14 ◼   ► well not awkward oh no don't you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16 ◼   ► people having children is a Merlin what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19 ◼   ► this Merlin mean when he and then I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21 ◼   ► let me stop you right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22 ◼   ► god I have no idea this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24 ◼   ► literally my nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25 ◼   ► no no it's wonderful there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27 ◼   ► Merlin fans out there my god there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29 ◼   ► they're starved for Merlin time and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31 ◼   ► that's what I'm there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33 ◼   ► kind of sort of Merlin problem and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/393">TS</a>]

00:06:37 ◼   ► but the interesting thing is talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39 ◼   ► other podcasters about their experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41 ◼   ► podcasting oh you know you know sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/401">TS</a>]

00:06:46 ◼   ► around a big table there's a big roast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48 ◼   ► on the table but candelabra are burnin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the wine is flowing the wine is flowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54 ◼   ► someone's playing a lute that is we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57 ◼   ► pretty much just out at nine tyke i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/417">TS</a>]

00:07:02 ◼   ► guess and then everyone has a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04 ◼   ► experience because everyone this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06 ◼   ► crazy thing about podcasting that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08 ◼   ► of people don't know everyone does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10 ◼   ► different kind of podcast everyone does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/430">TS</a>]

00:07:11 ◼   ► a different kind of podcast yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15 ◼   ► it's a situation where one person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18 ◼   ► podcast seems like it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21 ◼   ► instructive for another person doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/441">TS</a>]

00:07:25 ◼   ► podcast but really every podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27 ◼   ► different Merlin oh my god that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29 ◼   ► actually so much like life it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31 ◼   ► strangely like life where people like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33 ◼   ► give advice because they went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35 ◼   ► the mouse maze in this given way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37 ◼   ► they found cheese and didn't die so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39 ◼   ► pretty sure that you write a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/459">TS</a>]

00:07:40 ◼   ► it well and what what and who moved my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43 ◼   ► cheese right became a national and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45 ◼   ► international bestseller who my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/465">TS</a>]

00:07:49 ◼   ► about it was a lot of what people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51 ◼   ► to talk about is podcasting was how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/471">TS</a>]

00:07:56 ◼   ► one make a living podcast well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/476">TS</a>]

00:07:59 ◼   ► know what I wanted to talk about is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/479">TS</a>]

00:08:03 ◼   ► is podcasting such an illegitimate art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/483">TS</a>]

00:08:07 ◼   ► form because it really is up to him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/487">TS</a>]

00:08:12 ◼   ► me okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/492">TS</a>]

00:08:13 ◼   ► oh you know what I saw many notes i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15 ◼   ► want to say in passing us I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17 ◼   ► sounds like you did talk to a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/497">TS</a>]

00:08:18 ◼   ► people like and you tell me the just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21 ◼   ► that I got people have many quotes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/501">TS</a>]

00:08:22 ◼   ► you on the twitter which is an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24 ◼   ► service and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it sounds like you were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27 ◼   ► you pushed back against the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30 ◼   ► doing this because it was too felt too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32 ◼   ► easy that was a fair this is ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35 ◼   ► the big question right I as I was / as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38 ◼   ► was preparing to go onstage it as in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/518">TS</a>]

00:08:42 ◼   ► cases when you go on stage it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44 ◼   ► turns out the way you planned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47 ◼   ► one of the things i was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/527">TS</a>]

00:08:48 ◼   ► quite a bit was that extemporaneous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50 ◼   ► performance comes very naturally to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/530">TS</a>]

00:08:54 ◼   ► for a lot of people it's it's it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57 ◼   ► hard right they don't want to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/537">TS</a>]

00:09:00 ◼   ► know it's like everybody's nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01 ◼   ► right you're pushed out onstage with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03 ◼   ► you have no and you're not prepared they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05 ◼   ► say they say animals has been updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06 ◼   ► recently but it's been said as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08 ◼   ► conventional wisdom for a long time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10 ◼   ► American second greatest fears death and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12 ◼   ► their first greatest fear is public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13 ◼   ► speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/553">TS</a>]

00:09:14 ◼   ► add to that whether or not that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/554">TS</a>]

00:09:15 ◼   ► exactly true or accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18 ◼   ► add to that going out and winning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20 ◼   ► going on that that's the stuff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22 ◼   ► nightmares for a lot right but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it really is right you push out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and and it's and your and the lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27 ◼   ► come on and it's a big room full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/567">TS</a>]

00:09:28 ◼   ► people you don't know what you're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/568">TS</a>]

00:09:29 ◼   ► to do and watching people at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31 ◼   ► conference to get up and give speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/571">TS</a>]

00:09:34 ◼   ► it was obvious that a lot of lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/574">TS</a>]

00:09:37 ◼   ► speaker's even though they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39 ◼   ► were professionally very accomplished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41 ◼   ► everyone was very interested in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42 ◼   ► they had to say they were full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44 ◼   ► anxiety just about the performance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47 ◼   ► their talk like I have to go out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50 ◼   ► talk for 20 minutes in front of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51 ◼   ► and so they have a PowerPoint and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54 ◼   ► they have their script and their script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56 ◼   ► is is scrolling at their feet on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59 ◼   ► television set and when I was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01 ◼   ► for backstage a lot of times you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/601">TS</a>]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the speaker's very naturalistic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06 ◼   ► there it's word-for-word kind of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08 ◼   ► prepared text and so part of what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/608">TS</a>]

00:10:13 ◼   ► wanted to talk about was look I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15 ◼   ► walking out here i have no I'm i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17 ◼   ► really done very little preparation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20 ◼   ► about what I'm going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/620">TS</a>]

00:10:21 ◼   ► and honestly if if if I looked over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/621">TS</a>]

00:10:25 ◼   ► the side of the stage after my 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27 ◼   ► minutes was done and there was somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/627">TS</a>]

00:10:28 ◼   ► holding a sign that said can you stretch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/628">TS</a>]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it for another hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/631">TS</a>]

00:10:32 ◼   ► I'd be like great like this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36 ◼   ► thing it's not like you're like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38 ◼   ► playing at the opening of them all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/638">TS</a>]

00:10:41 ◼   ► there there's nobody is nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44 ◼   ► repelling behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45 ◼   ► stretch shirt still a visit at isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/645">TS</a>]

00:10:49 ◼   ► propelling well i'm playing with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50 ◼   ► monitors at 7am in front of the mall now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53 ◼   ► this is just me talking to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55 ◼   ► stuff and I could do it for hours but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/655">TS</a>]

00:10:58 ◼   ► the but somehow the fact that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01 ◼   ► everyone's greatest fear and and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/661">TS</a>]

00:11:05 ◼   ► most people very difficult to do doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08 ◼   ► impart any sense that doing it is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/668">TS</a>]

00:11:18 ◼   ► technical skill that should be reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/678">TS</a>]

00:11:22 ◼   ► should be rewarded cook commensurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25 ◼   ► with its difficulty right like if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/685">TS</a>]

00:11:29 ◼   ► you are a mathematician everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31 ◼   ► recognizes that that's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33 ◼   ► they don't know how to do it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35 ◼   ► say this is something that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38 ◼   ► should be either rewarded for with pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41 ◼   ► or with stature if you can run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/701">TS</a>]

00:11:47 ◼   ► four-minute mile you know you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50 ◼   ► medal or everybody applauds but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52 ◼   ► a sense of if you can get up and wing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/712">TS</a>]

00:11:55 ◼   ► that you're getting away with murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/715">TS</a>]

00:11:59 ◼   ► somehow you know everyone's reactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01 ◼   ► are like Oh mm um you didn't try very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/721">TS</a>]

00:12:05 ◼   ► hard or you know there's a there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08 ◼   ► feeling or men and maybe it's just me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10 ◼   ► maybe I'm just the one carrying this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/730">TS</a>]

00:12:13 ◼   ► that somehow the person that slaved for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16 ◼   ► weeks over the powerpoint demonstration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19 ◼   ► in order that they control their anxiety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22 ◼   ► enough to give a kind of stilted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24 ◼   ► performance has done more work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/744">TS</a>]

00:12:27 ◼   ► therefore their performances more valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/747">TS</a>]

00:12:30 ◼   ► than the person who can get up and given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/750">TS</a>]

00:12:35 ◼   ► an entertaining talk without notes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/755">TS</a>]

00:12:40 ◼   ► this was a this was this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/760">TS</a>]

00:12:41 ◼   ► that's always kind of been my I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43 ◼   ► wrestling with this right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46 ◼   ► the most fun I have is doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48 ◼   ► podcast in some ways it's something I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51 ◼   ► very very proud of or maybe even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53 ◼   ► most proud of but we you and I just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/773">TS</a>]

00:12:57 ◼   ► on here and wing it every week and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00 ◼   ► also feels a little illegitimate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02 ◼   ► cheating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/782">TS</a>]

00:13:03 ◼   ► yeah that this be our that this be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06 ◼   ► something were rewarded for that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08 ◼   ► b.i.g even considered a job over because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/788">TS</a>]

00:13:12 ◼   ► it's just like a two guys jacking off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13 ◼   ► whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15 ◼   ► and it's it's it's it's a skill set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18 ◼   ► it'sit's just as difficult as as being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/798">TS</a>]

00:13:22 ◼   ► good painter or something but it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24 ◼   ► it seems like i don't know somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/804">TS</a>]

00:13:29 ◼   ► invalid who and I wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32 ◼   ► that but then when I got on stage I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► made like 40 minutes of Portland jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36 ◼   ► and then drop trial flip the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38 ◼   ► off went and then standing out classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/818">TS</a>]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Roderick you know what I mean because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/824">TS</a>]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that's my brand you know and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48 ◼   ► people come and that's what they expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/828">TS</a>]

00:13:49 ◼   ► when you look nice today was there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51 ◼   ► actually mostly at well at adams request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/831">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► we swore that we would make poop jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59 ◼   ► huh and it's got requests we swore that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01 ◼   ► we would make Portland jokes and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03 ◼   ► went out there and i did about 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04 ◼   ► minutes of Portland poop jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06 ◼   ► yeah it was all put Portland all poop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08 ◼   ► you can't help yourself yeah i'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/848">TS</a>]

00:14:09 ◼   ► little bit yeah yeah um so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/849">TS</a>]

00:14:13 ◼   ► you know I I thought I got thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15 ◼   ► yeah I look at people better you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17 ◼   ► really really really really put a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► effort into doing these things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22 ◼   ► sort of that are second nature to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/862">TS</a>]

00:14:28 ◼   ► obviously like I would have to put a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30 ◼   ► of effort into doing something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33 ◼   ► work right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that's what's really hard for me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37 ◼   ► your very food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39 ◼   ► this came up on the very special relayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/879">TS</a>]

00:14:42 ◼   ► FM members-only edition of reconcile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/882">TS</a>]

00:14:46 ◼   ► differences on what you were kind enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48 ◼   ► to guests that came up at the end where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50 ◼   ► you're saying you wish you were you wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51 ◼   ► you were more than a jack-of-all-trades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/891">TS</a>]

00:14:52 ◼   ► you wish you are really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54 ◼   ► something and our friend John syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/894">TS</a>]

00:14:55 ◼   ► it took me to task on this thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56 ◼   ► a professional musician like yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58 ◼   ► you get paid you get to do stuff or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/898">TS</a>]

00:15:01 ◼   ► get to do stuff I know to what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04 ◼   ► mean again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and then it's gonna be its own reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07 ◼   ► man everybody's trying to steal your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10 ◼   ► copper pipe but the but yeah I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13 ◼   ► made an interesting point which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/913">TS</a>]

00:15:14 ◼   ► he ran okay let me try something up this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16 ◼   ► way I think that so I I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19 ◼   ► more about a bunch of details that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21 ◼   ► wrapped up in what you're saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23 ◼   ► have to do with things like how you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25 ◼   ► about the audience is feeling about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28 ◼   ► what are the stakes for it going wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30 ◼   ► because i think that greatly changes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32 ◼   ► equation for a lot of people but set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that aside for a minute I think anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36 ◼   ► that doesn't feel impossibly difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38 ◼   ► to US doesn't feel like work and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40 ◼   ► that's a problem and i'm not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42 ◼   ► about anything here and I I this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44 ◼   ► very back to work is kind of point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45 ◼   ► make but i think a lot of us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47 ◼   ► suspicious of things that aren't where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50 ◼   ► we have like I don't know if it's sunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52 ◼   ► cost fallacy or something but where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54 ◼   ► we put a bunch of effort time education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56 ◼   ► and resources into one part of our life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and that's not the part that is our job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01 ◼   ► we feel like we're it work with feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/961">TS</a>]

00:16:05 ◼   ► like we're being not just not just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07 ◼   ► were getting away with something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/967">TS</a>]

00:16:08 ◼   ► that we're like almost we're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► disloyal to the time that we spend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/972">TS</a>]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the past and I think that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:16 ◼   ► that's great because it can make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18 ◼   ► want to stick with it and try harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20 ◼   ► you know thrive but other times it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/980">TS</a>]

00:16:24 ◼   ► really works across purposes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25 ◼   ► it's not just that it's easy but if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27 ◼   ► something that feels good to do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29 ◼   ► people are suspicious of it and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31 ◼   ► very privileged thing to say because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32 ◼   ► we're really we're really fortunate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34 ◼   ► lot of ways to get to do what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35 ◼   ► doing but I think that's true for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37 ◼   ► everybody were like if you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39 ◼   ► there's this some some part of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I'm I'm from the Midwest your mantra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43 ◼   ► Ohio your mom is from Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44 ◼   ► I think there is a certain kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:48 ◼   ► don't know if it's Puritan but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49 ◼   ► certain kind of Midwestern feeling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51 ◼   ► if you're happy you're probably doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53 ◼   ► something wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54 ◼   ► yeah i think it's i think it's quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56 ◼   ► but but yeah i agree if you're happy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1016">TS</a>]

00:17:01 ◼   ► must be doing something wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02 ◼   ► that's I mean that's reductive and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04 ◼   ► trying to make this about more than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:05 ◼   ► this podcast but yeah get the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07 ◼   ► thing just just just to circle back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09 ◼   ► one thing was on and we'll get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11 ◼   ► beatles dogs i hope but in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13 ◼   ► think about this though you're going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16 ◼   ► front of a bunch of people wear well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18 ◼   ► let's put it this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:19 ◼   ► were you worried worried worried that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:23 ◼   ► the audience would not be receptive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25 ◼   ► what you had to say what were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:26 ◼   ► concerned really like losing sleep over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28 ◼   ► like whether people would be going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31 ◼   ► this with a negative feeling about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33 ◼   ► pretty loaded for bear or conversely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35 ◼   ► like were you worried that you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37 ◼   ► make a certain case to that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:38 ◼   ► audience and did that cause you stress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40 ◼   ► before the talk I mean there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43 ◼   ► bit of stress now involved in getting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:48 ◼   ► and giving speeches just because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:53 ◼   ► because the atmosphere around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55 ◼   ► mansplaining particularly middle-aged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1075">TS</a>]

00:18:00 ◼   ► white men explaining middle mansplaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:04 ◼   ► is so fraught right that there's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:08 ◼   ► are camps in which my presence at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:12 ◼   ► event is already suspect already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:17 ◼   ► problematic and so you know standing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:21 ◼   ► on stage in front of people and being my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23 ◼   ► natural self and saying hello everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:26 ◼   ► I'm a big middle-aged white guy didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:29 ◼   ► suck a bag of different things to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31 ◼   ► about stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32 ◼   ► nice to meet you I've got ideas about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34 ◼   ► things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35 ◼   ► there's there is now a you know like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:40 ◼   ► inhibition that that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43 ◼   ► people in the audience primed to be at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:50 ◼   ► to be looking for a problem or or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:53 ◼   ► know and they're one end and at the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:56 ◼   ► at this XOXO there was up there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1136">TS</a>]

00:19:00 ◼   ► person who to me very clearly came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:06 ◼   ► already angry and found a way to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:11 ◼   ► like and tweeted halfway through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13 ◼   ► presentation about my unexamined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16 ◼   ► privilege halfway through a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18 ◼   ► that you know she she did not bother 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:23 ◼   ► and she didn't tweet at the end right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25 ◼   ► maybe by the end she had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:28 ◼   ► she had heard things in the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30 ◼   ► of the presentation that made her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32 ◼   ► realize that the first half of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34 ◼   ► presentation was set up and then the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:38 ◼   ► know the message of the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39 ◼   ► relieves the tension of the first half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42 ◼   ► it's a big part of performance so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45 ◼   ► halfway through she's already tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46 ◼   ► about my own examine privilege and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► feeling is that she came into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50 ◼   ► conference either having already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53 ◼   ► underlined by name as a person that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56 ◼   ► was going to you know was going to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59 ◼   ► up a critique of on these on this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:03 ◼   ► right i mean she was she was already mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06 ◼   ► that i was there and then up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09 ◼   ► someone can Fred I think it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11 ◼   ► woman confronted me later in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14 ◼   ► of a in like got up and came over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16 ◼   ► yelled at me in the audience because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19 ◼   ► got up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20 ◼   ► i got up at the end of someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22 ◼   ► presentation did a little bit of a Kanye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24 ◼   ► like Taylor I'm gonna let you finish but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28 ◼   ► I just have an anecdote here that'll and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you know again I'm a performer was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33 ◼   ► was someone you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:34 ◼   ► no no I mean that the person you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35 ◼   ► conning know uh but they are fellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:39 ◼   ► performer and I'm there as a paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:42 ◼   ► former and my job is to perform and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45 ◼   ► know what to provide oh what a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46 ◼   ► performances right I'm not I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:50 ◼   ► not stepping on anybody it was a had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52 ◼   ► anecdote it was apropos it everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56 ◼   ► liked it but this person same person i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58 ◼   ► think you know came over and gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:02 ◼   ► in a in an exaggerated stage whisper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05 ◼   ► which seemed to be trying to draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07 ◼   ► attention to herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► they gave me a lecture about how I how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12 ◼   ► rude i had been in you know in standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:16 ◼   ► up and making a comment to the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:19 ◼   ► she was entirely incorrect and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:25 ◼   ► felt like she came into the event loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27 ◼   ► for bear looking for a reason you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30 ◼   ► so there is a certain amount of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32 ◼   ► when I'm preparing to give a talk at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:35 ◼   ► XOXO for instance where I'm like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:38 ◼   ► know is there going to be something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40 ◼   ► my eye you know I know there's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43 ◼   ► be anything in my presentation but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45 ◼   ► there just something in my main you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48 ◼   ► something in just my in my person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:53 ◼   ► someone in the audience is going to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55 ◼   ► it is going to trigger something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:58 ◼   ► going to trigger someone else just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the way that i carry myself in the sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02 ◼   ► my voice in my casualness in the fat in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05 ◼   ► the very fact that i am comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07 ◼   ► standing up in front of a room that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09 ◼   ► alone is evidence of my status as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:15 ◼   ► white male in a patriarchal culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18 ◼   ► so my comfort is a priori on offense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:25 ◼   ► reflecting on my comfort in anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28 ◼   ► other than an apologetic tone for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32 ◼   ► very existence is an offense so but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:36 ◼   ► don't have any question about my ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39 ◼   ► to extemporaneously entertain an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► audience or to begin a story take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:46 ◼   ► through a through a journey down a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► of Rapids and at the end of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:52 ◼   ► you know have it have performed an arc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► and and at the end there's some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59 ◼   ► resolution and it feels like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01 ◼   ► complete work and it's like a play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04 ◼   ► acts so I know how to do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06 ◼   ► don't either i'm not up in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08 ◼   ► the night going i hope that I don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10 ◼   ► halfway through and and blank or I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:14 ◼   ► you know that the audit that I'm not up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16 ◼   ► there dying you know that stuff doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:19 ◼   ► really worry I've died a thousand deaths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21 ◼   ► in front of a crowd and it's that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24 ◼   ► doesn't i'm not scared of right if i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► laying jokes out there and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29 ◼   ► laughter is tepid and it and it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:33 ◼   ► like boy I really lost this audience a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35 ◼   ► long time ago i still can get them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:39 ◼   ► you get him back just by saying boy lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you guys a long time ago and my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:44 ◼   ► family and conversely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46 ◼   ► pandering to what you perceive to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:50 ◼   ► some part of the audience that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:54 ◼   ► put this pandering to there's no way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57 ◼   ► inoculate yourself is the way I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:58 ◼   ► put it is that you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00 ◼   ► sometimes when I'm talking to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02 ◼   ► are thinking about doing a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04 ◼   ► whatever that thing is one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► I feel like I've learned it's never easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09 ◼   ► but you have to just accept that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:13 ◼   ► are always going to be people who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15 ◼   ► don't like you and they don't like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:18 ◼   ► this is very very simple but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20 ◼   ► kind of thing where I think people need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22 ◼   ► to hear this i know i need to hear this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23 ◼   ► is that sometimes there are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25 ◼   ► people who just like on your very best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27 ◼   ► day the best that you're capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29 ◼   ► they still just basically don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31 ◼   ► it doesn't make him a bad person it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:32 ◼   ► doesn't make them prejudice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34 ◼   ► I'm that way about some people there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35 ◼   ► just some people like you know guy fieri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37 ◼   ► gonna tell you like his persona bugs me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39 ◼   ► but he seems like a genuinely nice guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► but I don't like his persona I would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43 ◼   ► seek out his programming and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45 ◼   ► sometimes gets to be a joke on here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47 ◼   ► along trying to say is that like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49 ◼   ► you what you can't do is you don't cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52 ◼   ► muscle on the parts of your personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► or your performance style that are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:59 ◼   ► are a big part of who you are and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► you do like sometimes you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03 ◼   ► the biggest fan of magic tricks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05 ◼   ► illusions but I would never want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07 ◼   ► to a show where the person onstage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08 ◼   ► decides they're gonna do less magic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10 ◼   ► order to make me happy because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12 ◼   ► not what the show is about but that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14 ◼   ► I want to circle back to this later when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15 ◼   ► you're done but the this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17 ◼   ► thing that's different though is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19 ◼   ► know I i think a big part of your one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21 ◼   ► confidence going on stages at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:24 ◼   ► least like if this thing goes totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26 ◼   ► wrong if it goes terrible if I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28 ◼   ► misunderstood if I say something dumb in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30 ◼   ► a way I didn't mean to say like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the stakes and I think that feeling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► steaks is a big part of what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:37 ◼   ► people very reluctant to do anything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39 ◼   ► front of other people and it's also what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41 ◼   ► causes people to not just prepare but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:43 ◼   ► maybe over-prepare until they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45 ◼   ► squeeze every bit of personality and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48 ◼   ► potential for the human soul of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:49 ◼   ► they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:50 ◼   ► I'm not going to criticize that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52 ◼   ► you're at apple and you are in a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:55 ◼   ► whose I don't know whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58 ◼   ► definition of not a successful group it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00 ◼   ► up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:00 ◼   ► this and you have to get up in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01 ◼   ► a bunch of people who are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:02 ◼   ► fantastic presentations about successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04 ◼   ► products and you've got to be the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06 ◼   ► who goes up in your pack your PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08 ◼   ► deck goes wrong and you have to report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09 ◼   ► that results I'd be nervous about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11 ◼   ► too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12 ◼   ► it's nice to be in a place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13 ◼   ► feel like I can be the person I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15 ◼   ► be in front of these people with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17 ◼   ► level of preparation i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:18 ◼   ► appropriate and do what I think is best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20 ◼   ► to put on a good show and you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21 ◼   ► performer that's like--that's what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:22 ◼   ► bring you in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24 ◼   ► but i think the challenge is and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26 ◼   ► know and and XOXO is a is a place where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:30 ◼   ► the where that the temperatures turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:34 ◼   ► up a little bit on this which is that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37 ◼   ► XOXO me talking to this group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that are largely my peers the stakes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:46 ◼   ► one thing but because it's going on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50 ◼   ► internet and because it's never a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:54 ◼   ► hundred percent clear what the what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57 ◼   ► of the moment issue is now it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:03 ◼   ► that you could because we see it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► time someone gets up and gives what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06 ◼   ► think is in a an innocent or innocuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► presentation that they are expecting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:14 ◼   ► going to be received one way or or could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16 ◼   ► we also stipulate it's it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18 ◼   ► where you maybe even took pains to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21 ◼   ► it not be something that's broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24 ◼   ► offensive maybe then you maybe you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26 ◼   ► you're saying something from maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27 ◼   ► a vulnerable point about yourself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30 ◼   ► you don't you know you're absolutely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► there to hurt anybody's feelings or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34 ◼   ► exercise privilege right i mean isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36 ◼   ► that part of it is like even if you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37 ◼   ► like you've prepared for that you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► can't really be prepared for that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40 ◼   ► cannot because I mean I think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43 ◼   ► buy doing exactly what you just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:46 ◼   ► which is just sort of do less magic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:49 ◼   ► if you are trying to if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52 ◼   ► do something original and unusual and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55 ◼   ► something in within your character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57 ◼   ► where you're you are pushing boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59 ◼   ► which is a thing that we always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00 ◼   ► particularly as artists you need to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03 ◼   ► boundaries that is that is the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06 ◼   ► that's how we advance the whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:10 ◼   ► the human story push boundaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► but but you get into a posture where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15 ◼   ► we're bound Ruiz are thought of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:19 ◼   ► different thing or or respecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21 ◼   ► boundaries is also a like a prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24 ◼   ► directive and how to push boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27 ◼   ► respect boundaries at the same time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29 ◼   ► mean every person is trying to do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► a different way but you can never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34 ◼   ► is whether your offhand comment your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37 ◼   ► awkward attempt to recover from a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you're um you know you're panicked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43 ◼   ► response to a ejaculation from the crowd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:47 ◼   ► that caught you off guard that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49 ◼   ► didn't expect whether that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51 ◼   ► be looped and put into the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54 ◼   ► you're going to be the next one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57 ◼   ► pilloried and that's the thing you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59 ◼   ► can't all you can do now is trust that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:03 ◼   ► all the years that you've spent on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05 ◼   ► balance beam learning how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07 ◼   ► gymnastics is going to save you in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:11 ◼   ► moment but i see i see people take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13 ◼   ► stage and that their panic is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:17 ◼   ► like what if you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19 ◼   ► what if i walk out onstage and I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21 ◼   ► down and I'm not wearing any clothes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's also like what if i get out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and in the middle of a thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:26 ◼   ► going great i say the wrong thing either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:32 ◼   ► because it's written in my speech and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35 ◼   ► didn't realize that it's that the word I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37 ◼   ► choses is a word that two days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40 ◼   ► became incredibly fraught or because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:45 ◼   ► somebody in the crowd goes that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48 ◼   ► funny and I reply to them just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► spirit of the moment and that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57 ◼   ► and the and that becomes a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59 ◼   ► even if it worked in the room you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:02 ◼   ► what I mean like even if everybody at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the place gets it and goes yeah but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:07 ◼   ► changes it changes the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09 ◼   ► well but but if the one person in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:13 ◼   ► room that as you described earlier who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► just isn't going to like you no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16 ◼   ► what your their guy fieri if that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19 ◼   ► is is built or came with a plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:24 ◼   ► and his tape recording you and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26 ◼   ► online and either in context or out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:31 ◼   ► says look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:32 ◼   ► I mean a lot of times you can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34 ◼   ► somebody's comments completely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35 ◼   ► context it's not always a question of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37 ◼   ► d contextualizing you put a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40 ◼   ► in context but if you put if you put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43 ◼   ► like a scroll underneath that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:46 ◼   ► everything you know everything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48 ◼   ► being said here is offensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50 ◼   ► you can call you can you can take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:54 ◼   ► context you can change the context just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56 ◼   ► by captioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:59 ◼   ► oh yeah bye-bye hang a lantern on am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► yeah right so it's like if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03 ◼   ► watching this video without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05 ◼   ► background music I would feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► was an interesting scene but all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10 ◼   ► sudden there's there's background music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► flown in the form of critical context or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16 ◼   ► or it you know just like here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19 ◼   ► strings are getting all tense now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► all the sudden these words have a all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the sudden these words are now either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27 ◼   ► offensive or have a different meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29 ◼   ► so so yeah the stakes the potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:34 ◼   ► stakes have changed for every kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37 ◼   ► one of these things and I'm not worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:42 ◼   ► about it at in my core you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:47 ◼   ► because there's a very real risk and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:51 ◼   ► you know I felt it just between you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53 ◼   ► me and and sort of with everybody in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55 ◼   ► in our peer group specifically of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:59 ◼   ► middle-aged guys making things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02 ◼   ► all recognize that at some point or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05 ◼   ► another we may be up on the cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:10 ◼   ► it's it's part of the it's just part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:15 ◼   ► the new reality and lots of people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18 ◼   ► spent a lot of time up on the cross in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21 ◼   ► the past and Israeli s though not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25 ◼   ► necessarily I mean Jesus was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27 ◼   ► middle-aged white guy he's the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30 ◼   ► is middle-aged for his time I think yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31 ◼   ► yeah right because people don't live to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33 ◼   ► be 60 although i heard that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► that's recently dispel turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37 ◼   ► but you know what I'm saying like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39 ◼   ► think I do i mean i-i I boy I got mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:45 ◼   ► super mixed not feelings just thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48 ◼   ► about about a lot of this stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50 ◼   ► one thing to keep in mind is that I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53 ◼   ► to keep I'm not trying to school you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► one thing I try to keep in mind is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56 ◼   ► we one thing that makes a potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1976">TS</a>]

00:33:00 ◼   ► makes our American experiment good is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:04 ◼   ► that there are people that will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05 ◼   ► be opposed to each other and that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07 ◼   ► i mean this gets a little bit to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► whole you know we can all agree on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:10 ◼   ► cheese thing where we feel this need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12 ◼   ► find something in common when well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14 ◼   ► know if we are antithetical e opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16 ◼   ► this one's to a certain given point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19 ◼   ► we have to accept that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20 ◼   ► part of the conversation and that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:23 ◼   ► we maybe neither one of us should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25 ◼   ► things we don't think are true in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:26 ◼   ► to look like we're being collegio that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:30 ◼   ► that's a big part of it the any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32 ◼   ► part of it is that there's i'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► at the wikipedia page for a term i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37 ◼   ► learned in this election cycle oppo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39 ◼   ► which is short for opposition research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:41 ◼   ► and it's the kind of dossiers that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43 ◼   ► compiled on people it's you know along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45 ◼   ► the lines of like somebody following a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46 ◼   ► candidate around with a camera recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► every single thing they say and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50 ◼   ► know being able to go in and highlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:51 ◼   ► you know for certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53 ◼   ► yeah i mean but the thing is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that's I mean I guess the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57 ◼   ► though like is that bad is that bad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59 ◼   ► there are people who just don't like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01 ◼   ► or don't like a given person for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03 ◼   ► reasons to the cultural could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05 ◼   ► political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► I mean sometimes that means racism but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08 ◼   ► lot of time it doesn't it just means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that's just that's just not for me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12 ◼   ► the way that this person presents is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:13 ◼   ► antithetical to the stuff that I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15 ◼   ► in is that means either one of us has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17 ◼   ► change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:18 ◼   ► not necessarily I don't think I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22 ◼   ► not trying to say i'm not trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:24 ◼   ► put the KKK up at XOXO that's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26 ◼   ► letters but i'm trying to say i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28 ◼   ► that's part of being a grown-up is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30 ◼   ► realizing that like you should your this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32 ◼   ► is not seventh grade you guys don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34 ◼   ► change your personality to please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37 ◼   ► whoever happens to be in the room or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38 ◼   ► you're never going to become an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► person i think that the I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:43 ◼   ► we're in a state and I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45 ◼   ► about this the other day we used to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:49 ◼   ► in a world in which the media ostensibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:53 ◼   ► tried to be nonpartisan independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► tried to be fair and balanced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:02 ◼   ► there's a ton of media critique that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► know over the years explain to us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10 ◼   ► the media was not fair and balanced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12 ◼   ► video was operating you know that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15 ◼   ► talking mainstream media in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:18 ◼   ► closed system but he just in in older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:21 ◼   ► times just called the press the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23 ◼   ► right like the people who were for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► example not reporting on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27 ◼   ► results health state sure or Kennedy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31 ◼   ► Addison's disease yeah but with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:36 ◼   ► presumption I think of a world kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39 ◼   ► close to the one we're living in now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:40 ◼   ► where there's a lot more access the B we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► can see more deeply you could not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48 ◼   ► could not hide Kennedy's Addison's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50 ◼   ► disease now right because they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► there are a lot of people that aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54 ◼   ► part of the the tiny little club anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that lets see that is newsworthy and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and it would be capable of reporting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03 ◼   ► what I don't think we I don't think 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06 ◼   ► years ago media prognosticator 'he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08 ◼   ► could have seen could have foreseen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:12 ◼   ► world in which media now is deeply and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:18 ◼   ► universally biased like every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:21 ◼   ► media outlet nobody's pretending to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:25 ◼   ► unbiased anymore it's it's quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:26 ◼   ► opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27 ◼   ► every single everything everybody is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30 ◼   ► reporter and everybody is putting a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32 ◼   ► stamp on it and I'm i was thinking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34 ◼   ► is universally biased media in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:40 ◼   ► accomplishing a lack of bias or or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:46 ◼   ► your ability to put you take if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:50 ◼   ► all the reporting as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:51 ◼   ► yeah if you take it I wasn't trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53 ◼   ► like insert false equivalency into every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► single person's coverage you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57 ◼   ► this as many many different voices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59 ◼   ► understandably have a point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:00 ◼   ► yeah and that ultimately if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:03 ◼   ► trying up a more nuanced idea of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:10 ◼   ► what actually transpired is it go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:13 ◼   ► accomplishable right you can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15 ◼   ► you can look at all of the reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18 ◼   ► across a wide spectrum and get maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20 ◼   ► even a better picture of what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► then if you're if five people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25 ◼   ► they're trying to be on by its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27 ◼   ► historically what papers in the UK have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29 ◼   ► done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:29 ◼   ► I mean it has not historically been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31 ◼   ► certain papers even to this day that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33 ◼   ► Guardian tends to be more liberal than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► theirs isn't how it's worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37 ◼   ► historically there there it's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:40 ◼   ► was more they were more openly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42 ◼   ► contentious but they were still major I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► mean they get it you needed resources to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:50 ◼   ► be able to be heard and resources always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:54 ◼   ► come with strings attached and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56 ◼   ► just don't have that right you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58 ◼   ► need you don't need any resources if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:02 ◼   ► you're the one person sitting there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03 ◼   ► your cell phone when a comet streaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06 ◼   ► across the sky yet that you did your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09 ◼   ► footage will find a place in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:12 ◼   ► right here mean youyou that will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15 ◼   ► the news tomorrow even if you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18 ◼   ► only one that caught it and that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you don't have you're not a reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:21 ◼   ► you're not getting you're not out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► working your beach and that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27 ◼   ► there's a distinction there that started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► i'm gonna get in the nineteen eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:29 ◼   ► which is if you had a portable video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:33 ◼   ► camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you could be the one who is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35 ◼   ► recording the media and res like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:39 ◼   ► basically Ronnie can King right but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42 ◼   ► things you've always been there has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44 ◼   ► always been the opportunity for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► be interviewed as a witness of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47 ◼   ► but as the witness of a thing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49 ◼   ► need a semiotic air your Europe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52 ◼   ► basically part of the story now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you're not the one who's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55 ◼   ► bringing the evidence of that to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57 ◼   ► public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58 ◼   ► right right it's still not still like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00 ◼   ► point of view you're the person who says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► I saw the accident and this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03 ◼   ► happened well I saw the accident and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05 ◼   ► this is what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06 ◼   ► whereas I think there is that we tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08 ◼   ► give more weight to something like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10 ◼   ► know that the Bigfoot tape right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12 ◼   ► like when you're able to go out and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13 ◼   ► you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► i recorded this that has primacy and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that's something that didn't exist as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18 ◼   ► widely before release the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20 ◼   ► probably the nineties right but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23 ◼   ► the the the other side and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26 ◼   ► that we're now in a I don't know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:30 ◼   ► this is a transitional moment or whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33 ◼   ► it's this is this is the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35 ◼   ► transitional moments right you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:36 ◼   ► know whether this is just a five-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39 ◼   ► blip or whether this is the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41 ◼   ► a new way of thinking and in most cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43 ◼   ► i think it's both right it's both a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45 ◼   ► five-year blip and also five years from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:49 ◼   ► now we're going to be on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50 ◼   ► of this and will be somewhere different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52 ◼   ► than we would have been but everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54 ◼   ► a pundit now everybody's x everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57 ◼   ► thinks that they're hot take is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:01 ◼   ► newsworthy and that's what makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:07 ◼   ► that's what makes the moment so pregnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10 ◼   ► like that and and I thought about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13 ◼   ► relative to this woman coming up to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:16 ◼   ► in the audience and trying to dress me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:19 ◼   ► down for a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20 ◼   ► ultimately what happened was i did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:23 ◼   ► performance and she didn't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25 ◼   ► performance and in that sense it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:29 ◼   ► like you say you don't have to be liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30 ◼   ► by everybody there's always going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32 ◼   ► somebody that doesn't like Guy Fieri and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35 ◼   ► they're not going to like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36 ◼   ► performance but her sense of her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:40 ◼   ► importance or her sense of her role in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43 ◼   ► that situation was not like I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45 ◼   ► like that performance but rather she saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:49 ◼   ► herself as the I mean her job in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:53 ◼   ► situation was to school me and shame me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:58 ◼   ► and correct the wrong and she had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► agency there she wasn't a stakeholder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05 ◼   ► she was just purchased a observer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08 ◼   ► all of a sudden she adopted it was now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:13 ◼   ► her responsibility to on behalf of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16 ◼   ► people onstage fellow performers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19 ◼   ► behalf of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20 ◼   ► she needed now to write this injustice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and that's new and and it isn't simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:31 ◼   ► like I don't I didn't like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I'm i don't like that performer I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36 ◼   ► like that performance and in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38 ◼   ► you would go home and you dried-up you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40 ◼   ► write up a blog post or you would write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42 ◼   ► an article for the local newspaper that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:46 ◼   ► said this was a performance I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48 ◼   ► was bad but to add that other elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:53 ◼   ► of you know i am a i'm a crusader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:57 ◼   ► personally for and and both working as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:04 ◼   ► as a like a media member and also as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:10 ◼   ► what is this other what what is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13 ◼   ► other job you know the job of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:20 ◼   ► like the the sort of puritanical the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the one picking up the first stone you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► know almost but I mean here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32 ◼   ► is the part of his shifting the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:36 ◼   ► what we consider a political space so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38 ◼   ► you know the kinds of folks who started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40 ◼   ► let's say in particular you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:41 ◼   ► people who were striking for union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:45 ◼   ► issues in previous generations or in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48 ◼   ► sixties and seventies people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50 ◼   ► protesting whether that is segregation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:53 ◼   ► or protesting nuclear proliferation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:57 ◼   ► you know there are people who took an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59 ◼   ► active role in saying like i need to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► paraphrase that guy from berkeley you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04 ◼   ► know throw yourself upon the gears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06 ◼   ► it's my job here to go in and disrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08 ◼   ► what's happening here because and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11 ◼   ► we can all disagree on whether it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12 ◼   ► appropriate or not but I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13 ◼   ► there was a time when you could say look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15 ◼   ► you know I I don't want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17 ◼   ► nuclear reactor my backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19 ◼   ► I'm going to chain myself to a fence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21 ◼   ► the kind of folks who would say like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22 ◼   ► gonna go put a daisy into the the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:25 ◼   ► officers rifle with whatever but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27 ◼   ► just that now today it feels like and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30 ◼   ► don't have a strong super strong opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32 ◼   ► but I'm just suggesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:33 ◼   ► that now the politics has moved from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► know Superfund sites two stages and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:40 ◼   ► people who want to throw themselves upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41 ◼   ► the gears and levers are by the are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44 ◼   ► taking sent a similar role to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46 ◼   ► people would have done to protest in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47 ◼   ► different time whether I agree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49 ◼   ► or not they feel so strongly about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51 ◼   ► that they can't allow this to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:52 ◼   ► interrupted yeah is I mean I guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:57 ◼   ► I mean there's not really a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:58 ◼   ► there do you see any analog between what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00 ◼   ► people were doing in previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01 ◼   ► generations to whether that's the lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03 ◼   ► you know attacking mechanical devices or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06 ◼   ► whether that's people saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08 ◼   ► I'm gonna sit at this lunch counter do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you see if you don't you see that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:11 ◼   ► part of some extension of a protest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13 ◼   ► say I'm just doing it in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14 ◼   ► place now I well I mean I i see exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► the point you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21 ◼   ► and I wonder and i think it's i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23 ◼   ► it's related to the fact that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:27 ◼   ► it's very clear to members of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:36 ◼   ► community though the left-right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:42 ◼   ► we're living in a world in which blacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:47 ◼   ► and Hispanics and women and transgender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50 ◼   ► people are being oppressed by a white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:56 ◼   ► patriarchal of like uber culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2696">TS</a>]

00:45:01 ◼   ► when you listen to the Trump supporters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03 ◼   ► they are equally convinced that white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:10 ◼   ► Christian America is being violently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:14 ◼   ► oppressed by the like Mochaccino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:20 ◼   ► coalition of liberal intellectual media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Hollywood well yeah that's that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:28 ◼   ► the tease out is it sits cysts they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:31 ◼   ► that as systemic oppression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34 ◼   ► yeah but that we are that the left is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37 ◼   ► the is the majority is them is the mega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► culture and that they're that the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43 ◼   ► Christian America is is increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:46 ◼   ► like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:47 ◼   ► being violently suppressed and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:53 ◼   ► start to listen to everyone's story now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55 ◼   ► in the u.s. he realized that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58 ◼   ► single person every single political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► group every every entity has a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► in which they are being victimized and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:11 ◼   ► oppressed by a majority out and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:18 ◼   ► leaves me with the feeling that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21 ◼   ► every single person is not every group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23 ◼   ► of people in America can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25 ◼   ► simultaneously oppressed by a by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27 ◼   ► majority but that is the that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:32 ◼   ► current it's not it's not just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:35 ◼   ► vocabulary and it's not an expedient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38 ◼   ► political system it's a it's heartfelt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41 ◼   ► belief and from our side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44 ◼   ► it's very clear it in the minutiae right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:48 ◼   ► in each individual case of police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:51 ◼   ► brutality or of all the injustice 'as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55 ◼   ► rape culture and cetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57 ◼   ► each one of those things in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59 ◼   ► specificity it's very clear who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01 ◼   ► oppressor is and what our job as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:05 ◼   ► oppressed or representatives of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08 ◼   ► oppressed or allies of the oppressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10 ◼   ► like where where our work should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12 ◼   ► where to focus our efforts right but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► listen to the other side of the aisle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19 ◼   ► and in the specificity of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:23 ◼   ► oppression there's just exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:26 ◼   ► conviction that in this instance and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► that instance and in that instance the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32 ◼   ► oppression is so clear and so dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and so threatening and they are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39 ◼   ► stringing together a narrative extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:43 ◼   ► compelling to themselves that those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:47 ◼   ► the specificity of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51 ◼   ► spells a you know a widespread culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:58 ◼   ► of intolerance that's coming from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00 ◼   ► other side of the aisle and so although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:04 ◼   ► I absolutely see like the analogy you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06 ◼   ► making to the anti-war movement with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:09 ◼   ► civil rights movement where people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10 ◼   ► our see an injustice and are trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12 ◼   ► change themselves to to the gates of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15 ◼   ► weapons plant that is there percent i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19 ◼   ► think that is absolutely people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21 ◼   ► perception of their of the work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23 ◼   ► they're doing but it's happening it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26 ◼   ► more and more granular all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29 ◼   ► until you meet people who use who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:34 ◼   ► also i mean like again not to not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37 ◼   ► just keep dumping on this this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39 ◼   ► individual but she was a white woman at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► a at a conference you had to apply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► attend that cost a lot of money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:47 ◼   ► attend but she was perceiving herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:51 ◼   ► not only as a victim but also as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53 ◼   ► defender of other people that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► imposing victimhood on you get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01 ◼   ► that this is happening is the way you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03 ◼   ► describing this kind of sounds like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05 ◼   ► blanket party on John you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► feeling this person was there to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07 ◼   ► other things of this sort with different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10 ◼   ► ideas and causes or do you think she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13 ◼   ► just was specifically wanted to take you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:16 ◼   ► I I mean who knows I'm it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:21 ◼   ► went and read her Twitter feed but her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23 ◼   ► her comments to me in both instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26 ◼   ► were um you know like presupposed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:32 ◼   ► truth that didn't exist like she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34 ◼   ► judging me based on my appearance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:38 ◼   ► presumed from my appearance and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41 ◼   ► position at the festival that I was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44 ◼   ► these things that she was against her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46 ◼   ► and she came into the festival already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:50 ◼   ► against those things and found a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:53 ◼   ► that we found a way to it to fit my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► behavior however little it resembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:59 ◼   ► what she thought it was you know into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► into that matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03 ◼   ► but I see it at in trying to make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:08 ◼   ► in trying to parse our our our current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11 ◼   ► political situation like I hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13 ◼   ► same kind of like confidence indignation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:22 ◼   ► from people that I disagree with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:25 ◼   ► totally and I'm talking about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27 ◼   ► that think that the that the white race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:28 ◼   ► is under attack but the tone and the and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:33 ◼   ► the victimhood is like a note for knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:37 ◼   ► coming from the same emotional place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:42 ◼   ► that's why I feel like this is a this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45 ◼   ► a transitional moment right we cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► continue along a path where we each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:51 ◼   ► individually become more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53 ◼   ► convinced that we are being sailed by at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:57 ◼   ► you know by every other group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:58 ◼   ► stakeholders you know that we it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01 ◼   ► sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:02 ◼   ► it's a it's a moment and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:05 ◼   ► people are going to have to start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08 ◼   ► this is part of I think acknowledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10 ◼   ► your privilege which is that each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13 ◼   ► individual group is going to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15 ◼   ► start acknowledging their own power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17 ◼   ► acknowledging it in its appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:20 ◼   ► context and saying you know like I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23 ◼   ► NOT a victim I am empowered there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:28 ◼   ► challenges i still feel disenfranchised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:32 ◼   ► but that dissing front that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34 ◼   ► disenfranchisement I feel in this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37 ◼   ► is not like a is not a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► conspiracy to disenfranchise me it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45 ◼   ► simply that I'm encountering people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48 ◼   ► disagree or that you know that my power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50 ◼   ► is truncated in this way and in that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52 ◼   ► was historically but actually I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:55 ◼   ► a lot of power now i am a you know I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57 ◼   ► middle-class university student or I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:00 ◼   ► a you know I'm a successful business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02 ◼   ► person or I am i I'm just a blogger but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:06 ◼   ► my voice is heard in a way that that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:09 ◼   ► the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:10 ◼   ► no one of my stature could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13 ◼   ► heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:13 ◼   ► and-and-and that that's the next level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16 ◼   ► of examining privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18 ◼   ► well yeah that or acknowledging its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:21 ◼   ► just examining it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23 ◼   ► nobody I mean acknowledging part is huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25 ◼   ► but I mean that's and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27 ◼   ► actually super instructive it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29 ◼   ► really it's been a good tonic for me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31 ◼   ► much as I push back initially it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:34 ◼   ► a good tonic for me as a human being but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36 ◼   ► i wanna just say one thing here on from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39 ◼   ► admittedly admittedly from a remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► because i'm not super involved in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► conversation but i think it's been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46 ◼   ► been very interesting to remove watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:50 ◼   ► the evolution discussion about feminism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52 ◼   ► which started out for a long time is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► mostly white women and their allies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58 ◼   ► over time there's a different strain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that developed of white people black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03 ◼   ► feminism and a very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06 ◼   ► strain of latina feminism and a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08 ◼   ► different approach for that and like do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:10 ◼   ► how is this inclusive is this the angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12 ◼   ► you know that's just the whole idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14 ◼   ► feminism is not some spray on approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16 ◼   ► to quality but it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18 ◼   ► fundamentally different way of thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:19 ◼   ► about the world an idea that has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21 ◼   ► biggest people are still getting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22 ◼   ► head around i remember you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24 ◼   ► gender studies class i had college first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► being presented with that idea at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29 ◼   ► age of about twenty be pretty blown away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31 ◼   ► because i always thought oh blah pra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33 ◼   ► that's just that's so silly like we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35 ◼   ► how do we need to do this just that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that fits that I mean and how I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:41 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued by that idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► even white women in that instance are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47 ◼   ► going to have to look at a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► unexamined hot precepts about what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► believe and historically have existed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54 ◼   ► certain way in order not simply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57 ◼   ► accommodate other people but to truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00 ◼   ► understand that for me to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02 ◼   ► understand the nature of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:03 ◼   ► we're mostly my kind of voice of has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05 ◼   ► privacy it's really important for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► open my idea of what this thing is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11 ◼   ► that means sitting listening to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12 ◼   ► people who historically have been out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14 ◼   ► there saying i wanted i wanna defend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17 ◼   ► I want to support whose position i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20 ◼   ► assume i'm taking care of and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22 ◼   ► come up and a lot of you know black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23 ◼   ► ladies come up and go you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24 ◼   ► actually we would do this a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26 ◼   ► different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:27 ◼   ► Latina ladies come up and say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:28 ◼   ► what we would do this a real different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30 ◼   ► that's AII that's something where every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► time i hear about that I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33 ◼   ► intrigued and it's not a snarky way at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35 ◼   ► all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:35 ◼   ► it's another way of saying like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37 ◼   ► when we talk about if there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39 ◼   ► any part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► well the most important part of is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42 ◼   ► white guys learn to suck it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43 ◼   ► realize that we're not the king of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:44 ◼   ► everything left side that I really feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46 ◼   ► that way but the second part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48 ◼   ► what you're describing that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49 ◼   ► guys you need to learn this more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► anybody else but it doesn't stop there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52 ◼   ► by any stretch and I think if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54 ◼   ► anything that's a little bit damaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56 ◼   ► and destructive it's to sit on a perch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58 ◼   ► and feel like we finally understood how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3298">TS</a>]

00:54:59 ◼   ► a situation works it's the softness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► openness to understanding how other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03 ◼   ► people have a point of view about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05 ◼   ► things that that helps these ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07 ◼   ► become something more than just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09 ◼   ► this striding political position it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11 ◼   ► becomes a way of what's up as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13 ◼   ► about technology it's a way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:14 ◼   ► understanding the world in a way that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16 ◼   ► really illuminating yeah and connect can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18 ◼   ► be can be a wonderful thing so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21 ◼   ► trying to pass off the hole where you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22 ◼   ► prove which 2i got the most boy believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24 ◼   ► me I i I'm getting that but it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27 ◼   ► intriguing to watch and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► then to see how that will evolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31 ◼   ► where is it you know it's we think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:34 ◼   ► that d punching up and punching down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37 ◼   ► you know at what point is interrupting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39 ◼   ► that show not punching up you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:42 ◼   ► I mean I'm absolutely and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44 ◼   ► think to your point like there is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47 ◼   ► a tremendous energy within white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50 ◼   ► feminists that fails to I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:54 ◼   ► very defensive when confronted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57 ◼   ► feminists of color right like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00 ◼   ► like that is that kind of the tension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03 ◼   ► within feminism is fascinating to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05 ◼   ► but like the the approach right in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:09 ◼   ► cultural moment of acknowledging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11 ◼   ► privilege and being and in a way being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:15 ◼   ► ashamed of that that first moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18 ◼   ► like oh my god i didn't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20 ◼   ► privilege i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:21 ◼   ► and I'm ashamed that i was operating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:24 ◼   ► the world thinking that I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:28 ◼   ► that I have the same challenges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:29 ◼   ► everybody else did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30 ◼   ► when in fact i had quite a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33 ◼   ► advantages that it just never occurred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35 ◼   ► to me i had um and that that idea of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:42 ◼   ► of saying wow I have a lot of advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:46 ◼   ► that I wasn't aware of and that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:50 ◼   ► taking away the the element of of um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:55 ◼   ► really of shame about it but also of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:59 ◼   ► saying like that i mean each individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02 ◼   ► person has advantages even out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06 ◼   ► cultural context that that we weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:09 ◼   ► taught to think that any of us really to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:13 ◼   ► wake up in the morning and count our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14 ◼   ► advantages and and acknowledge like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:19 ◼   ► gracefully and with humility that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► everybody has those advantages and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25 ◼   ► aren't limited to advantages of gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27 ◼   ► or race and that is a very I think up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:31 ◼   ► its on the path to a very much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34 ◼   ► spiritual culture at and right now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:38 ◼   ► in a in this moment where a lot of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:43 ◼   ► intellectual capital is being kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45 ◼   ► expended both sort of pillorying other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:51 ◼   ► people for privileged that they aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53 ◼   ► acknowledging and ourselves for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56 ◼   ► privileged that in a lot of cases we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58 ◼   ► having been made aware of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00 ◼   ► we're now trying to address at all times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02 ◼   ► right or or to the best of our ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04 ◼   ► but you can't you can't seed power right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:08 ◼   ► and you know where you have to you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11 ◼   ► to take power and that's Machiavelli but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:15 ◼   ► it is an untrue right power that's given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17 ◼   ► to you by somebody else is power that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20 ◼   ► they still hold and if if it's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:24 ◼   ► granted to you it doesn't belong to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27 ◼   ► power is something that he sees and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:32 ◼   ► hold and that's both individually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:36 ◼   ► Colt and you know in cultures but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39 ◼   ► next step for us all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41 ◼   ► i think is to say you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it's we look over at the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45 ◼   ► Christians and say you guys are you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:49 ◼   ► have all the advantages right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:52 ◼   ► them your ostensibly the majority and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55 ◼   ► all these oil workers down in Louisiana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:56 ◼   ► who are living on food stamps are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58 ◼   ► what the fuck are you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► we feel a sale that every at every level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03 ◼   ► and part of our part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:07 ◼   ► acknowledgement of our privilege is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09 ◼   ► to sort of it like acknowledge their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11 ◼   ► lack of it and and that isn't confined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:16 ◼   ► right i mean every day now I wake up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:20 ◼   ► not only reflect on my own privilege but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22 ◼   ► reflect on the many many ways that every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:26 ◼   ► person even even the richest guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29 ◼   ► Seattle wakes up and feels under assault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31 ◼   ► somehow like nobody had a nobody had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:35 ◼   ► good day yesterday moving away right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:39 ◼   ► we've talked about that quite a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:40 ◼   ► the the fact that bill gates's day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:45 ◼   ► yesterday was probably pretty hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48 ◼   ► part of being human part of being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:54 ◼   ► successful human is to accept that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56 ◼   ► and have sympathy for him to have sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:56 ◼   ► and have sympathy for him to have sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3596">TS</a>]

01:00:00 ◼   ► empathy for everybody that you encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01 ◼   ► and that's why you don't see shitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:04 ◼   ► things to people on the internet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:07 ◼   ► why you don't it's why you're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09 ◼   ► gamer Gator but it's also important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12 ◼   ► not wake up in a in like a a feeling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15 ◼   ► of like hyper righteous liberal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18 ◼   ► superiority because everybody's having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21 ◼   ► bad time but you know there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24 ◼   ► part of this state's I that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27 ◼   ► complicated i wish i could talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:28 ◼   ► this at a time other than we just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30 ◼   ► about a lot of political and cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:31 ◼   ► things but there's another part of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:33 ◼   ► which is that they're there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34 ◼   ► regardless of the side that you're on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37 ◼   ► do feel like there's a very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38 ◼   ► culture of telling people what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40 ◼   ► doing wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:41 ◼   ► these days to sort of your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42 ◼   ► topic for so long it is really like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45 ◼   ► say you know what the internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47 ◼   ► constantly telling you that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48 ◼   ► enjoying life wrong but here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49 ◼   ► problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:50 ◼   ► so they're doing the internet wrong yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:51 ◼   ► but like it's in this i'm trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53 ◼   ► a slight bridge to the personal which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55 ◼   ► an impossible bridge to make because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:58 ◼   ► person has become very political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3658">TS</a>]

01:00:59 ◼   ► so in a if if we could just play along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:03 ◼   ► with me for a minute that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05 ◼   ► developed into a more gotcha culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07 ◼   ► trying to find what somebody's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09 ◼   ► wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:09 ◼   ► the one downside of that is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12 ◼   ► stakes for changing have become a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14 ◼   ► higher and there is less and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:17 ◼   ► incentive to want to fix something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:22 ◼   ► yourself if it makes it look like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24 ◼   ► a flip-flopper or being disloyal or your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27 ◼   ► capitulating and and so while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29 ◼   ► understand the need for stridency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:30 ◼   ► lots of things on a personal basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32 ◼   ► part that I struggle with is and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35 ◼   ► know I'm not trying to tell anybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:36 ◼   ► do it differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:37 ◼   ► I'm just I'm just this is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:38 ◼   ► personal feeling is that it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40 ◼   ► difficult when you do feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42 ◼   ► doing what you can in whatever way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:47 ◼   ► it's understandably not always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49 ◼   ► be it's never going to be enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51 ◼   ► some folks but i guess the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54 ◼   ► I'd love to see it evolve toward is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56 ◼   ► where a conversation about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:57 ◼   ► like privilege goes from being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59 ◼   ► opportunity where you admit that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01 ◼   ► wrong about everything to chance for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03 ◼   ► personal growth and the chance for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05 ◼   ► personal growth requires that you allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07 ◼   ► yourself to become kind of vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09 ◼   ► even publicly vulnerable and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11 ◼   ► risk to go straight back to talk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:14 ◼   ► front of a crowd i think the risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16 ◼   ► being publicly vulnerable is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:17 ◼   ► tough for a lot of people on every side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19 ◼   ► of every aisle and the more the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:24 ◼   ► pitched these things become and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:27 ◼   ► higher the stakes it feels like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29 ◼   ► giving a part of yourself away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31 ◼   ► personally by admitting there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33 ◼   ► that you could do better and I i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36 ◼   ► that that is a second or third stage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39 ◼   ► for a lot of kinds of changing growth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41 ◼   ► get to that point that there has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:42 ◼   ► this certain kind of you know nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:45 ◼   ► violent political confrontation to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47 ◼   ► things happen but like I'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49 ◼   ► forward to the point where it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50 ◼   ► okay to admit that you have feelings one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:54 ◼   ► way or another and have a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55 ◼   ► about that and that not go straight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58 ◼   ► the political had that nut goes straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59 ◼   ► to the like here's the highlight reel of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01 ◼   ► how this person is a garbage person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04 ◼   ► because they changed their mind about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:05 ◼   ► something on either or any side and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08 ◼   ► you know as long as it's this difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10 ◼   ► to talk about something and have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12 ◼   ► an idea that you try on like a suit as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14 ◼   ► you like to say as long as that has such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:18 ◼   ► potential Giants takes to it it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20 ◼   ► for anybody to talk honestly and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22 ◼   ► anything in any side to go you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24 ◼   ► I got that part wrong even if you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26 ◼   ► person who's trying to castigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27 ◼   ► somebody on the other side was doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:28 ◼   ► wrong you know if you were wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30 ◼   ► them doing it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:31 ◼   ► are you gonna admit that you doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33 ◼   ► no because you're just as invested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35 ◼   ► that as the other person has now doubled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37 ◼   ► down on their investment in that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39 ◼   ► and that doesn't get us anywhere because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41 ◼   ► that's then that's why this election [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43 ◼   ► year is partly why it's so disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:46 ◼   ► and hard to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:47 ◼   ► it's nuts we all just dug in further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50 ◼   ► further and further and nobody's allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52 ◼   ► to be a little bit broken for a while in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:53 ◼   ► the service of becoming fixed the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:57 ◼   ► i feel that this is a that this is a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59 ◼   ► momentary space is that in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:05 ◼   ► things like this I always sort of asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07 ◼   ► what's the what's your endgame like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10 ◼   ► calling attention to people's privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12 ◼   ► what is the end game and I'm talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:13 ◼   ► about you know looking out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:16 ◼   ► future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:17 ◼   ► it can operate within a space where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:24 ◼   ► you examine the endgame it is to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:28 ◼   ► a world in which there is no privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30 ◼   ► like no advantage no group of people has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:34 ◼   ► an advantage over any other group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36 ◼   ► people like that is one potential look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/3876">TS</a>]

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01:12:57 ◼   ► invited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4377">TS</a>]

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01:13:04 ◼   ► clarify sounds like you want me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06 ◼   ► perform is this a pain take it or is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:15 ◼   ► this because it's weird because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17 ◼   ► almost like the way just before we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:18 ◼   ► want to know this but before we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20 ◼   ► that it sounds more like this is someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:22 ◼   ► you know very well that's essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24 ◼   ► inviting you to like their summerhouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:27 ◼   ► for a nice conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:29 ◼   ► no this is a person whose title is chief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31 ◼   ► creative officer right and I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:34 ◼   ► heard of this but you get what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:35 ◼   ► that's what the tone of that was hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:38 ◼   ► here's something you're going to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:40 ◼   ► empirically interesting you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:41 ◼   ► hear a bunch of people talk and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:43 ◼   ► talent show ya talkin and you're welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46 ◼   ► to bring your family would be a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47 ◼   ► getaway for you that's a nice offer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49 ◼   ► i said uh is a pig or is this an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:52 ◼   ► experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:54 ◼   ► thanks for thinking of me ! John and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4434">TS</a>]

01:14:00 ◼   ► reply is its kind of all of the above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:03 ◼   ► that's not acoustic storytelling small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:09 ◼   ► stipend with a family getaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13 ◼   ► oh i see you're so lucky right you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16 ◼   ► to go out and play your music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18 ◼   ► yeah and so I wrote back and said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:22 ◼   ► it does sound very much like I am being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:26 ◼   ► asked to perform a show because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:31 ◼   ► just a guitar strum er I'm also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:35 ◼   ► storyteller so to say like play a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:39 ◼   ► songs tell some stories like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:42 ◼   ► thing doesn't mitigate the other right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:46 ◼   ► like the storytelling isn't something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48 ◼   ► that casual of fires the guitar player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:51 ◼   ► it's all about the framing the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53 ◼   ► they're framing it is this they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55 ◼   ► trying to frame this in a very specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57 ◼   ► way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:58 ◼   ► yeah come on out detective frame it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:01 ◼   ► you are very fortunate to be invited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03 ◼   ► this particular teddy bear picnic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:06 ◼   ► you know on top of it all dude it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:08 ◼   ► gonna it's an experience and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10 ◼   ► bring your family owned part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12 ◼   ► we're gonna give you money too can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:14 ◼   ► believe it a little bit you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:15 ◼   ► gas money to get up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17 ◼   ► bring your family because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:21 ◼   ► that's how generous we are ya now I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24 ◼   ► online and I looked at this firm they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:25 ◼   ► have like 40 plus employees and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:31 ◼   ► a big resort somewhere up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:33 ◼   ► mountains that they're taking over for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:34 ◼   ► this event and you know when you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:37 ◼   ► look at the people on that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39 ◼   ► everybody's kind of a chief something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41 ◼   ► officer who's like 40 people and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:43 ◼   ► all have you know Chief development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45 ◼   ► somebody but they did just really gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:48 ◼   ► them you get the impression that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:49 ◼   ► that the lowest-paid person at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51 ◼   ► place works amazing makes eighty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:52 ◼   ► thousand dollars here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:53 ◼   ► yeah and it goes up from there right the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55 ◼   ► chief creative officer whoever this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57 ◼   ► is obviously is making a $250,000 here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:00 ◼   ► and I haven't heard back with the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:04 ◼   ► stipend is but i'm guessing two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07 ◼   ► fifty dollars uh-huh right isn't that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:10 ◼   ► about the small stipend area i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:13 ◼   ► small stipend is definitely a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:14 ◼   ► dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:15 ◼   ► yeah well i think a lot a lot under yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18 ◼   ► and so you have a stipend or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21 ◼   ► honorarium you think I think I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23 ◼   ► than honorarium says a lot that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25 ◼   ► lieutenant-colonel kind of thing to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:26 ◼   ► a stipend is like this will let you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:29 ◼   ► some bottled water there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:30 ◼   ► vending machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32 ◼   ► here's a little stipend it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34 ◼   ► like a per deem uh-huh but so I ran this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:37 ◼   ► email by all the other podcasters at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41 ◼   ► festival who are all people that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:44 ◼   ► asked to give this kind of speech or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47 ◼   ► this kind of thing was like hey come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:49 ◼   ► out yeah to our event you'll have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:53 ◼   ► uncomfortable bed in a weird room we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:57 ◼   ► it you'll be basically onstage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:00 ◼   ► entire time because everybody else at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:03 ◼   ► this event works together and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05 ◼   ► all bored of each other and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06 ◼   ► inviting you because you're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08 ◼   ► like cause everybody knows you and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10 ◼   ► top of the list of people to invite and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:13 ◼   ► so from the moment you wake up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:14 ◼   ► morning you're going to be performing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:15 ◼   ► and then you're going to put on a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18 ◼   ► for us and a and it's going to be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22 ◼   ► and then we're all going to sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24 ◼   ► and I know you don't drink so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:28 ◼   ► there will be some Martinelli's apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30 ◼   ► juice there for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:31 ◼   ► well we all get drunk around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33 ◼   ► campfire yeah it's going to be amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35 ◼   ► he performed campfire sucks for ya and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37 ◼   ► then you play the game and then you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39 ◼   ► bring it out because of course you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40 ◼   ► to bring in the guitar out with you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42 ◼   ► if you say no everybody's gonna go all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44 ◼   ► so you're you know absolutely going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:49 ◼   ► bring the guitar out there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:50 ◼   ► hopefully someone else will also play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:53 ◼   ► the guitar and we'll get drunk enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55 ◼   ► that you can have them the guitar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:56 ◼   ► like a knife like they are you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:57 ◼   ► bit here course where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59 ◼   ► if I could ask just what state in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:01 ◼   ► Washington State up in the mountains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03 ◼   ► where is it like a hour or less away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:06 ◼   ► let's call it an hour and a half ok so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:09 ◼   ► two hours big part there there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:10 ◼   ► extensive travel involved right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:14 ◼   ► um well that who I don't know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:18 ◼   ► people ask me things like that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20 ◼   ► hell i wean myself off this but i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:23 ◼   ► be candid with you John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:24 ◼   ► there was a time when somebody ask me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:27 ◼   ► something like that i would say to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29 ◼   ► would you do this for the same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:33 ◼   ► money and if they said yes I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:38 ◼   ► would I said well that's even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:41 ◼   ► yeah because you really don't value your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:43 ◼   ► time you must not realize how much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:45 ◼   ► you should be making out what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:46 ◼   ► doing if you would do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48 ◼   ► so now you're dealing and your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:50 ◼   ► dishonest you're dishonest would you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:52 ◼   ► and do your job here when you maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55 ◼   ► that's a thing for a while there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:56 ◼   ► whole like I'm gonna go to a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:57 ◼   ► guy thing like I just go and I give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00 ◼   ► talks about deep doop doop doop but man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:03 ◼   ► that's still that still gets my dander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:05 ◼   ► up why don't we have a conversation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07 ◼   ► adults about this if you want to hire me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:09 ◼   ► like what we have that discussion but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11 ◼   ► the fact that you keep bringing it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:12 ◼   ► to the campfire spaghetti party we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14 ◼   ► going to have forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16 ◼   ► yeah so and so i have so i have so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18 ◼   ► was the response of the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:19 ◼   ► I don't ask the podcasters everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21 ◼   ► rolled their eyes because everybody gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23 ◼   ► you mean we've all this is not a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25 ◼   ► conversation will talk about this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:26 ◼   ► the time all the hilarious letters we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:29 ◼   ► get asking us to perform for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31 ◼   ► and uh oh and often a thing like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:34 ◼   ► where it's a you know this is a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:36 ◼   ► firm that is they're going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:37 ◼   ► twenty-five thousand dollars for a food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:43 ◼   ► and sundries this event right answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45 ◼   ► an internal event i think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48 ◼   ► yeah i think if I loved about that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50 ◼   ► other part to ask is how much are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:51 ◼   ► charging anything for people to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53 ◼   ► this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:53 ◼   ► no i think it's i think it's just a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:57 ◼   ► getaway for staff such as the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59 ◼   ► design people to go in and we'll walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01 ◼   ► with Wolves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:02 ◼   ► yeah and just you know and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03 ◼   ► thing we're just gonna talk we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:04 ◼   ► share creative sup second hang out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:07 ◼   ► shit man and the and the shell real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09 ◼   ► chill the presumption that I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:12 ◼   ► as much out of talking to these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:16 ◼   ► i I'm gonna get as much out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:18 ◼   ► spitballing with them about creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:22 ◼   ► stuff as they're going to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:24 ◼   ► spitballing that stuff with me right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26 ◼   ► mean i went to it did I went to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28 ◼   ► advertising agency at one point not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:29 ◼   ► long ago that was owned by some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31 ◼   ► friends and they said hey what if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34 ◼   ► just gave you a desk here and i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:38 ◼   ► this was a big firm and I said an odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:42 ◼   ► thing to say I said how do you mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:43 ◼   ► were like we'll just give you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:45 ◼   ► desk up here at the executive level on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:48 ◼   ► which is a separate floor and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50 ◼   ► includes can hang out and do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52 ◼   ► yeah and you can come and just use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54 ◼   ► space and just be around and hang out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:58 ◼   ► and I was like and I mean what goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01 ◼   ► along with the desk card are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:02 ◼   ► offering me like a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:05 ◼   ► Wow now I mean it's more like just here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07 ◼   ► so we have extra space you come and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:11 ◼   ► was like I come and we sit around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:14 ◼   ► our wheelchairs wheeling around throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17 ◼   ► pencils at the ceiling and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:20 ◼   ► turns into a big ad campaign for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22 ◼   ► guys and I'm and I lucked out in having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:25 ◼   ► a desk that's a different than your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28 ◼   ► know like critique of the privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30 ◼   ► thing so if this goes really well if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32 ◼   ► just give me a desk or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:35 ◼   ► yeah we'll know that that has turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37 ◼   ► great in a year because what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:41 ◼   ► well and the thing is every time I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:42 ◼   ► by there they would walk me through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44 ◼   ► their latest campaigns and be like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46 ◼   ► you think of that and i would say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48 ◼   ► that word right there is a little corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51 ◼   ► or did you ever consider this or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:54 ◼   ► maybe like nice so yeah there's a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:58 ◼   ► they want me there to give that give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00 ◼   ► a free desk but because we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:03 ◼   ► creatives it just seems like let's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05 ◼   ► get in the creative space and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07 ◼   ► create drama can and so that's the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10 ◼   ► know like I'm going to go up to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:11 ◼   ► mountain event and we're going to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:14 ◼   ► brainstorm with each other about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16 ◼   ► creative shit you know would help me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18 ◼   ► that i SAT with the with my guitar in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20 ◼   ► room and wrote some songs like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22 ◼   ► what I am a part of the whole point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24 ◼   ► this man is getting away from the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:25 ◼   ► chive that are the point man we gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28 ◼   ► get off campus just like fucking just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:31 ◼   ► freaked out a little man just freaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:32 ◼   ► out so David Reed david reese said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35 ◼   ► would ask for ten thousand dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:36 ◼   ► settle for 75 did he sing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:38 ◼   ► he didn't look with six i would ask four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:41 ◼   ► thousand dollars beep boop boop and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:45 ◼   ► was like you know the tent the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47 ◼   ► $10,000 is definitely that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:50 ◼   ► line where you are saying go fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52 ◼   ► yourself unless you come back and say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:56 ◼   ► you have now made us realize what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4976">TS</a>]

01:23:00 ◼   ► actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:01 ◼   ► you're the asshole you got invited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:02 ◼   ► Thanksgiving dinner and you want to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03 ◼   ► them a fucking invoice yeah what a dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:06 ◼   ► that's right I'm i was allowed to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07 ◼   ► my family all my god that they even said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10 ◼   ► you could bring your family we could all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12 ◼   ► stay in one in one room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14 ◼   ► this week's winner is basically a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:15 ◼   ► vacation John it's a prevarication and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:18 ◼   ► think and I think what you know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20 ◼   ► in my I would never write this in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22 ◼   ► email to them but you know what i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24 ◼   ► what I would say if one of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:26 ◼   ► listening to podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28 ◼   ► is it i like to choose my own vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:32 ◼   ► yeah it's funny how that works yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:34 ◼   ► can I'm perfectly capable of of finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:37 ◼   ► a way to vacation with my family I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39 ◼   ► need that opportunity in lieu of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43 ◼   ► but it's it's strange when you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:47 ◼   ► and it can this came through this didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49 ◼   ► come directly from the chief creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:52 ◼   ► officer he knows a friend of mine who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:55 ◼   ► in the in the show business and sent it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:59 ◼   ► to her and she sent it to me with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:02 ◼   ► own little like this sounds like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:03 ◼   ► did I don't know if this is up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05 ◼   ► alley but this sounds like a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06 ◼   ► opportunity right and so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:09 ◼   ► replying to him i'm replying to her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:12 ◼   ► so I have now the potential to alienate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:15 ◼   ► not just the guy but my friend because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:19 ◼   ► he sent it to her like hey can you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:24 ◼   ► your God can you use your magic to God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:26 ◼   ► rates not a public library you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:29 ◼   ► thing is shame on them if you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31 ◼   ► know if you're a public library if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33 ◼   ► macintosh user group like if your st. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:35 ◼   ► Jude's you know you could write to John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:38 ◼   ► Rother can say hey look what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:39 ◼   ► come here and play some music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:40 ◼   ► we have any money but we'd love for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42 ◼   ► to come yeah or you could say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44 ◼   ► basically pay for flight that's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46 ◼   ► mind that i don't mind getting that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:47 ◼   ► somebody that admits that this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49 ◼   ► this is this is this what I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51 ◼   ► is being made to feel like a turd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:52 ◼   ► because you're trying to do a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:54 ◼   ► negotiation as though you're my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56 ◼   ► brother-in-law that's such fucking weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:59 ◼   ► sauce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00 ◼   ► well and that's the creative and threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02 ◼   ► it through somebody else they've got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:03 ◼   ► inner interlocutor here who's now she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05 ◼   ► put her up on the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07 ◼   ► well and lamps if i write back and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09 ◼   ► haha this sounds like a gig at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:12 ◼   ► like she then then that's in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15 ◼   ► relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17 ◼   ► yep that now she's like um well okay I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:20 ◼   ► guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:21 ◼   ► sorry sorry I gave you this sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24 ◼   ► forward this to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26 ◼   ► it's like will i'm not mad at you i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29 ◼   ► just like like you and I should be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► the same page here like my eating a hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:34 ◼   ► being put in that position I really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:36 ◼   ► have come to resent the whole like can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:39 ◼   ► you contact this person for me then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41 ◼   ► no offense but that whole idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43 ◼   ► we're basically vouch for me a near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:46 ◼   ► stranger to like taking the two times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48 ◼   ► your you communicate with this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50 ◼   ► kind of famous will you use one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52 ◼   ► two times to basically vouch for me even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54 ◼   ► though you hardly know me at all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:55 ◼   ► course i would i'm not an animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:57 ◼   ► yeah so gross well so anyway and I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5157">TS</a>]

01:26:00 ◼   ► sounds well just sitting here talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02 ◼   ► I you know I right now there's an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04 ◼   ► pendant ok i sent i sent an email saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:07 ◼   ► yeah the more i read this the more it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09 ◼   ► sounds like they want me to perform well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:11 ◼   ► which is a thing which is what i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:13 ◼   ► professionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:14 ◼   ► yeah the storytelling is actually also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:18 ◼   ► my job that's not a that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:20 ◼   ► professionals not friends sessional yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22 ◼   ► that's not a fun thing that I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24 ◼   ► just like hey here's an idea that we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:27 ◼   ► have you ever considered telling stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29 ◼   ► in between your song we think you'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:30 ◼   ► great at that man perfect said she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:33 ◼   ► you bring your family i have thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:34 ◼   ► that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:35 ◼   ► so I said that back to her now I she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37 ◼   ► not replied and maybe her lack of reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:41 ◼   ► is you know is an email she sent back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44 ◼   ► him saying actually this doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:46 ◼   ► like it's going to work or maybe she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48 ◼   ► sitting in her office like I'm too busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50 ◼   ► to deal with this shit how did I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51 ◼   ► stuck in between this but some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:54 ◼   ► is rubbing off on me right she's now got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56 ◼   ► a she's she's got a feeling like I'm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:59 ◼   ► busy to deal with this roderick should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01 ◼   ► have just said yes or he should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:04 ◼   ► just said let me deal with this but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06 ◼   ► replied to me instead of to them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:09 ◼   ► i sent it to him instead of giving his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:12 ◼   ► email to them i don't know you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:14 ◼   ► I mean like they're I do i do it sits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16 ◼   ► awkwardness all the way down and if she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18 ◼   ► doesn't reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:19 ◼   ► problem solved if she replies and says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21 ◼   ► this isn't i mean i should i should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24 ◼   ► out of this or you know if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:25 ◼   ► want to do it reply to them i'm gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27 ◼   ► like you I don't they never emailed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29 ◼   ► so but you know it's it and if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:34 ◼   ► i'm gonna say i would love to do this 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:37 ◼   ► grand seems fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:38 ◼   ► beep boop that and then we'll see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40 ◼   ► they say no we were thinking two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42 ◼   ► fifty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:43 ◼   ► oh well you don't really you don't value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:44 ◼   ► very highly me LOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46 ◼   ► rewrite this email for you uh we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49 ◼   ► you to stop everything that you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:51 ◼   ► in your life to go beyond a place on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:53 ◼   ► planet for the amount of time that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:54 ◼   ► declare and we have almost no budget is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:57 ◼   ► that something you'd be super into yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:58 ◼   ► yeah when this is important this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:01 ◼   ► thing that we're doing because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03 ◼   ► gonna deduct the whole thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:04 ◼   ► it's professional development for and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:07 ◼   ► and our staff like this does qualify as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:12 ◼   ► a perk for them because they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:15 ◼   ► 60-hour weeks and we're taking them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:19 ◼   ► to a hotel for free that's nice so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:21 ◼   ► seems I probably within within our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:24 ◼   ► company washroom like a real good deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:27 ◼   ► ever thought about being a storyteller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29 ◼   ► me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:30 ◼   ► mm give it some thought I'm not sure I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:33 ◼   ► be good at it huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:34 ◼   ► what are you doing this weekend uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:37 ◼   ► know it's funny my weekend Cirque kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39 ◼   ► of full up looking forward to bring your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:42 ◼   ► guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:47 ◼   ► [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:48 ◼   ► holy shit i can feel like it's my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:51 ◼   ► and my family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:52 ◼   ► what oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOxzDv4/5332">TS</a>]