Roderick on the Line

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00:00:20 ◼   ► hello hi John oh hi Merlin that's going [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► good you sounded really enthused oh not [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► so enthused oh no this is a highlight of [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► my week [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► oh yeah I know just you know and you [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► know how it is [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► yeah sometimes a week well just [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► sometimes the 16 months right now it [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► just was just unfold like like one of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► those looking to origami life [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► yeah like an advent calendar where every [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► door is just a just to fuck you [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► it didn't okay different kind of animal [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► poop happy holidays coming up to seven [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► that that's Paul Williams with a big [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► middle finger morning [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► yeah so you sound good about that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► election [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► oh yeah Big Sucker things are fine over [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► here okay yeah it's been raining a while [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► so on them on call this week 40 no jury [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► duty and it's a whole court case it's oh [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► no what is why does that happen to you I [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► haven't been called for jury duty in 24 [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► um jury crack I never don't get called I [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► don't understand it [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► I mean I'm know I'm not good at [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► calculating time and stuff but like it [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► feels like it's as soon as i'm eligible [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it it comes up and i usually get called [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► that's about the last one I dodged a [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► bullet on the last one [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► yeah i think so but remind that's quick [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► i mean basically it was really weird [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► because I've made it through like [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► thursday if you make it past wednesday [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► it's usually like I had their good i can [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► me and then I called the robot said your [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► journey group [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► well appear at superior court 1 p.m. [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► thursday and it's like what [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► who gets called at one p.m. on a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► thursday yyyy does your robocall sound [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► like James Urbaniak [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► I like that guy i met him yeah yeah you [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► did meet him [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► I think somebody took a photo together [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► yeah you met him in a hotel room in the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► hotel lobby of the hotel didn't have [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► television television [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► oh my god I was so fucking mad about [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that haha i took a photo and send it to [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► my daughters like this is where the TV [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► would be this is a normal hotel room it [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► was like a Gitmo sell you have you had a [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► nice when they put you up in the Rain [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► Man sweet but I was down with the proles [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► yeah I otherwise with no TV in my room [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► either instead there was just like there [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► was a soap carving kit and like five [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► curated vinyl albums pictures of bird [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► houses are that mine had a bed which is [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► an ok bed in middle of this room was a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► small room but I mean it was really [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► funny it was like there were worried I [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► was going to harm myself there were two [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► little tables into little lamps and a [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► closet [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► no no I'm sorry there wasn't a closet [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► there was a shelf it was like he was [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► like some kind of like I don't know what [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► I imagined like if you went to like the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► nice juvenile detention unit you [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► remember that was the hotel I still kick [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► myself I opened the door and there the [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► room had been cleaned and was in in [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► perfect order except there was a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► walkie-talkie lying in the islands right [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and I was like it's the beginning of an [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► adventure it's a call to adventure [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► there's no question about it yeah but I [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► picked it up and you know looked at it [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► and you know turned on nothing nothing [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► on that channel and I took it down the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► front desk [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I think I told the story but basically i [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► should we showed up and did the very [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► short version is that a bailiff you know [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► it looks which basically it's it's like [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► a it's like the parks department act he [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► wants in a guy in uniform and goes [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► alright this will now serve as the jury [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► assembly room it's what it was like 230 [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► there's like a hundred 50 to 250 people [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► in this room and I was like oh my god is [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► this was so this was the bit you know [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► there's the room you go and sit in while [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► you wait to get called and then you go [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► usually to like a court room to be you [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► know what dear whatever our stuff they [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► do in this case the entire rooms like [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► this will now serve as the jury assembly [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► room for group you know 27 or whatever [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and a judge came in and said basically [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► you know the bad the the what was that [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the bad news is we're not gonna [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► need you today or whatever the good news [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► is like this is a multi-month case you [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► are and it's like I i am so torn because [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► I really believe in doing my duty for [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► that it's like you know if you want me [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► for a week [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► I can grossly inconvenience my family I [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► can basically not make money for a week [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► out you know that's okay that's that's [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► part of what you gotta do but that it [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► puts so much pressure on my wife you [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► know I take care of my daughter in the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► afternoon that's my job and like that's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► the way the light construction i know [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that's fancy but that's the dad I need [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► to be and holidays coming up and [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► everything and it's just like oh I can't [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► imagine spending election day sitting in [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► the Superior Court jury room and I i do [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► not find that it's fancy though you [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► don't need to apologize for being fancy [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► yes just sits you to your alternative [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► lifestyle will have you ever gone to [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► jury duty and try to make the case that [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► you shouldn't be on well let me let me [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► just say you're saying you just don't [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► get called Ellen I am the one probably [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► the one person in the world [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► maybe I'm not the one person in the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► world but i am in the very small [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► minority of people that waits like on [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► baited breath to be called for jury duty [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it has a strange one time in my life [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► when I was 23 years old and I was [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► sitting in the jury selection room and [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► everyone else is just looking like you [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► know somebody just handed them a garbage [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► bag full of water without a twist tie [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► looks good shit ah and i am sitting in [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► that chair literally bouncing on my [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► hands so the ink I got ready to make up [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► we got we got we got to be under coming [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► it was a murder case I hope it's the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► last for six months because not only was [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► i think the real to be part of the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► democratic process for the you know jury [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► of your peers to get $13 the thirteen [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► dollars today and being on a jury for [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► six months would have solved so many of [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► my life problem i would give you so much [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► focus well that i'm also allow you have [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► to have clothes ready [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► you have to think about where you need [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► to be in the morning well maybe they [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► put me up in a hotel because they had to [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► sequester sequester John it because [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► somebody like some mafia thing or [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► whatever like a hit man and I that would [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► have solved the problem of not having a [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► place to live at that boy is yeah and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► and any time you know any time like a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► girl was like why haven't I seen you I'd [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► be like sorry I'm injuries like and I [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► can't talk about it i guess yeah exactly [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► right I've been out of every problem it [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► would have just solved everything so I'm [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► bouncing up and down the Chairman Ben [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and you know i'm watching the attorneys [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► trying to get people i'm like oh man [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► I've got a great answer that question [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► come on come on come on ask me ask me [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► ask me ask me like I i wanted to raise [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► my hand when they were asking other you [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► know like have you ever Hunger Games you [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► ready to get service up his tribute let [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► me go let always have people go home [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► happy to do it on behalf of that little [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► child yes for her and then they were [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► like okay we got our jury it like it's a [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► good print ago I was so defeated I was [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► like that's it [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► do you remember why was it just that [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► they didn't need your body not never got [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► they never got to you never got to me [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► they just made a jury and and I was like [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► will will will you guys gotta meet [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► another jury right like we're all here [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► why don't you just make a jury out of us [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► for the next thing that's good idea and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► and there was just like go home and so [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► then for a long time I waited for the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► envelope to come like gotta get it again [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► right it's like this this amazing [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► laughter anything it's not even like the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► draft like it's one thing to say gosh I [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► hope I'm 1a and i hope i get drafted he [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► will you know what you can always just [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► go join in this case you can't just go [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► show up at the courthouse and say I'm [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► ready to serve right yeah I would have [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► done it a hundred times it's like giving [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► blood [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► yeah and and what's crazy is I'm four [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► out of four voter like that I they know [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► where my address is like I'm i am I [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► couldn't be more of a citizen and yet [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► somehow my bill never gets wrong [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► that's a shame John yeah and they're [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► calling you every third day and it just [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► it feels like it just feels a little bit [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► like an injustice to imagine me on a [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► jury [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► I mean I actually I really I i can it [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► calls to mind so many things I see you I [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► see very quickly by unanimous a claim [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► being made the form and maybe [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► even before they're done seeing people [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► they just clearly this this is the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► anchorman thank you thank you i mean [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► what i don't understand in a when I see [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► like court cases on TV what you do a lot [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► it's very popular thing to have on TV [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► yeah which in its own way is like weird [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► that a major major feature of what we [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► consider entertaining television is just [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► like watching watching a court case it's [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► really kind of strange idea like right [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► eleven percent of all television shows [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► are just watching the antics of people [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► in a courtroom and I mean I guess it [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► makes sense right it's like it's it's an [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► intellectual I think it's kind of genre [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► it's totally Israel but what I don't [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► understand watching a jury on TV is they [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► just sit there and passively like how [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► boring or i mean are you are you [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► severely restricted to every morning do [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► they say [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► now remember don't raise your hand [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► don't say but but right and don't don't [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► audibly roll your eyes right don't like [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► try and do a better job than the lawyer [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► don't say pulleys like how do you not do [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► those things are now I know 13 and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► everybody last time i was on for a of [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the four-day trial and had a buddy and [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► we would just give each other look [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► because you know of course [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► well he can't get into this i don't i [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► don't want to cause trouble for myself [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► but there's all kinds of things you're [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► not supposed to do that everybody does [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► because this is in that case whatever [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► I mean you got a phone and stuff you [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► know they're not so don't do any viral [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► research and look like right [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► I'm not gonna break first thing you do [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► is google the guy right [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► it's google map where the accident [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► happened like the whole nine like I [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► don't know the visibility there is a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► little strange i think i was going [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► pretty fast and that would do that but [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► yeah my buddy and me we just give each [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► other looks through the whole thing but [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► now I'm you get you know general [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► admonitions about these kinds of things [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► and you know the thing is as part of it [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► that is really are [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► there's several parts of it that are [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► absolutely amazing i mean the the folks [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► who are involved in this the bailiff [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► sand all the the court there's like [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► there's like a guy who's like or a gal [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► who's like the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► manager of the courtroom you've got the [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► judge is frequently in dingus and then [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► you got the person who like manages the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► jury stuff and whose i forgot what he [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► called the courtroom not the court [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► reporter but it's the person who like [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► basically manages everything that's [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► happening in the courtroom and that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► person is amazing to watch as a as a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► retired project manager i can just say [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► watching somebody like that operate is [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► amazing because our uniform early a [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► madman [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► no no it's it's usually somebody in like [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► you know kind of business casual kind of [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► thing and they're coordinating with all [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► the lawyers they're talking to the judge [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► they're dealing with the jury they are [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► your conduit for dealing if anything [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► comes up like if you know that's who you [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► talk to and if you go to the bathroom [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► what do you have to go to the bathroom [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► you gotta wait what [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► yeah if they're in the middle of [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► something and you're like who knows [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► stuff that's what you are no you have no [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► anything they tell you in the thing is [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► they are very least the ones i've been [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► on their very considerate about saying [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► like you know we try to make this as [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► easy and comfortable as possible but you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► know the process is the process [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► sometimes there's delays something's get [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► changed you know sometimes some days [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you're gonna go home a little early some [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► days you're gonna stay a little bit late [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► and you know that's just this is just [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► the nature of how this works but right [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► is you know how it is it's always [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► amazing to watch anybody who's good at [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► their job and somebody who does the same [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► thing over and over every day and [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► clearly has been through the wringer of [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► all different kinds of experiences it's [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► amazing to watch somebody like wow [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► that's why i love watching the live feed [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► of your podcast oh thank you your [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► podcast and they've the thing is they've [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► heard it all is the other thing so you [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► know you go and you might have your [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► protestations about this or that and but [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► like you know the judge and the court [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► room manager person are very good at [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► going like cutting straight to the issue [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► of like you know so they basically [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► anything you come up with like as it's [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► one thing to say like okay like I have I [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► have chemo and here's my notarized [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► statement from a doctor and we're going [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► to going i have mixed feelings about the [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► Civil War and they're like okay so [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► you're telling you cannot make an honest [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and admit I'm gonna look like such an [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► idiot like my daughter is it's cool and [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► it's like really yeah like you know like [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► can you eat chips in the dream and not [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► supposed to eat chips you're not [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► supposed to even pretend that you have a [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► phone I had a really good spot near a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► charger so I could I could stay charged [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the whole way to make you can keep your [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► phone in that [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► yeah but you're not supposed to use it [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► at all even to just sit and play [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► solitaire you know it happens helpful [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► for me to when I'm listening to somebody [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► talk to be also playing minesweeper well [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► for me Alec walking like I would much [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► prefer to be pacing while the whole [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► thing is going they should have like a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► like a like a big Panther cage you could [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► walk around and I would process the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► information like that I thought probably [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► distracting that 12 to like it don't [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► know just casing what the cork it's one [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► of those one of those things like the [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► use of the head when they're keeping [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► cage uh Milosevic tuna in a blackberry [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► like a Nuremberg pen that's a good idea [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► i should bring that thing going tomorrow [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► on election day for superior capture its [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► beauty are used [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► oh my god well you know I i emailed you [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► i sent ya included you in a bcc blast [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► email last week to save all of my [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► podcast buddies [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► it's that time again it's basically like [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► my municipal period has come it's time [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► for me to go and see aunt flow at the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► courthouse like I always have to do the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► job as part of the year no and so but [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► then I you know to get texted you and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► said hey you know I called it on friday [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and i was ok for today but yeah yeah and [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► it'll be fine it'll be fine i mean it's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► not that I don't want to do it and I [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► don't mean to be precious it i want to [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► do it i just don't want to do it for [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► like months [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► yeah it's very I mean I I don't want to [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► be a dick about it but like that is [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► incredibly disruptive now I'm so happy [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► by giving the western part of town it [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► takes me like almost an hour to get in [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and almost an hour to get home and then [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► my wife was a big lady job is going to [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► have to like do all this extra heavy [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► lifting during that time it's like I but [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► I feel the selfishness and what I'm [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► saying but at the same time it's like at [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► here's what I don't understand right the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► only people that end up on jury duties [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► are old people and not people who don't [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► have anything else can move that doesn't [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► stop that's the stereotype but in [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► practice that is not true at all [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► oh very cool very cool well and I have a [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► theory about this just accuse thinks [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it's because people can tell that I'm [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► impressionable which is probably true [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► also but I mean the things I've done in [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► there like the one the first time that i [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► was on a case that went through to a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► jury verdict [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it was like the longest day of my life [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► because you got it I got called for two [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► different jury things got pulled away [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► and finally by like lunchtime we were [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► seated for a trial that was that one day [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► and so is but we were there until like [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► almost ten o'clock to the end of this [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► and it was one of the most Kafka ask [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► frustrating days of my life ever tell [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► you the story were basically it was a it [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► was a pretty clear-cut long story short [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► a guy who was a real dick [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► it was a high school student went and [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► picked a fight with a fellow student [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► before school depicted with organized [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► group there are they over 18 [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► no no no they're both their their high [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► school students and school in [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► Tallahassee and this one kid who was [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► kind of a dick when interactive fight [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► with this other kid who'd been i think [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► it was basically just being bullied and [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the kid bit off part of his ear the bad [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► kid the other kid the kid who had been [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► at attacked and the the so one get [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► started the fight the kids fought back [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► and office here [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► yeah okay so I mean it was that was [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► facts and evidence it was stipulated [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► this is what's going on with the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► cannibalism in florida by the way [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► there's so much talk about Florida but [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► here's what it came down to you're gonna [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► hear a lot of stuff in here but here's [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► what this comes down to this case comes [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► down to this [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► did this school correctly follow its [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► established policy for teachers [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► supervising students before school [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► started a lot of specificity in that [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► you're not here to decide whether [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► whether ears are good or bad you're not [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► here to decide whether these teachers [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► work hard you have a single fact to [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► determine the single fact is this [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► did the school and its teachers follow [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the policy of monitoring students and [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► they hadn't because it happened on [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► school ground on school grounds before [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► school and basically a teacher had not [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► been standing in this one spot at the [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► time they're supposed to be standing in [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► this one spot okay so boom game over [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► now you have to decide how much these [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► people should get and then you get to [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the job much the parents of the bad kids [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► should get for the missing here [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► nope how much this school system will [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► have to pay the kid who bit you got his [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► ear bitten off because he had been [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► improperly supervise [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► so then you get to the really fun part [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► the judge says okay now I realize you [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► you haven't gotten to have your little [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► caesars pizza that arrived right before [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► we call you back and I know you haven't [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► eaten in hours but here's the thing [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that's gonna take 45 minutes I'm going [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► to read you the jury instructions and I [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► want you to listen very carefully and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the judge reads the jury instructions [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► which of course now have you know we're [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► negotiating by by the council and by the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► judge if it takes 45 minutes to reduce [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► I want to look at least 20 but i think [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► it was over half an hour and they read [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► to the jury instructions in the same now [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► go back there and decide when you're [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► little caesars pizza at that point at [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► that point the bailiff had already taken [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► the pizza way because they thought it [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► was all done so we didn't get to eat but [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► sounds like a simple trifling matter but [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► you know why I'm either hypoglycemic [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► more impatient depending on who you ask [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► it's so everybody's little loopy it's [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► gonna be past eight o'clock and so you [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► know you did we do the thing we've seen [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► on TV which is we said okay okay we're [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► going to work out you know we're gonna [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► do you know we're gonna do we're gonna [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► find ok that yeah that happened but you [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► know you know you know what you gotta [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► pay a dollar 11 dollar haha one dollar [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► we came back in we gave it yet and we [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► had the same and then have you reached [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► her as anything else yeah yeah yeah we [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the jury find the case embedded in a [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► state one dollar counsel for the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► plaintiff who look like Bill Clinton [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► shoots up into the air raises his hand [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► and said some kind of harry potter mumbo [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► jumbo about how he objected because if [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► memory serves I was very very hungry at [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► the time I think he said something like [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► he objected because the the the penalty [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► did not accord with the facts and [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► evidence for the jury instructions right [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► and the judge goes I think he took off [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► his little round glasses off the end of [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► his nose and goes [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► sustained jaw surgery I'm going to read [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you the jury instructions again and I [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► want you to listen very carefully when [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► we like where we allowed to ask [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► questions about what we did wrong [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► we were not where we were allowed to [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► like basically see where the red marks [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► on our paperwork know you included [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► did you remember to put the date on it [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► all you know what we probably forgot [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► that are we done sign a legal name [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► little brown to write back a long story [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► we had to go back and no people what [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► what was it in the jury instructions [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► that prohibited you from a warning one [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► dollar i don't know i still don't know I [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► was hungry I don't remember we went back [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► we came up with some phony baloney [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► number and then we finally got to the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► parking garage and go home $1,000 one I [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► honestly have to collect awkward [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► wow yeah so anyway that was that and [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that's frustrating you really want to [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► award somebody one-dollar it's a shame [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you can't go and volunteer because I [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► think you'd be great at it you know and [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► it's mine i would go down every couple [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► of months it's interesting your group [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► your original question which is that oh [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► isn't it just like retirees who are [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► looking for somebody to to you know a [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► place to do you somewhere they can get [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► up before in the morning on a necktie [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► her next dress and show up [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► mom I mean use their skills like that [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► Robert De Niro movie where he went [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► it's a movie that you see on an airplane [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► where he went and got a job after he was [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► retired i think is Wi-Fi all right with [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► the girl family miss and was the girl [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► that he was the intern he was the intern [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► right into teaching now in turn he would [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► have been a vice president at a company [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► that made rockets [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► yeah in the very building that she had [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► now started her fashions on my gosh what [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► are the chances and then every morning [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► he got up and he put on his tie is so [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► elegant and then it turned out he knew [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► everything because he was a wise sage [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► yeah he was he was like basically [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► driving miss daisy um but I think the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► attorneys for each side have something [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► very particular in mind and who they're [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► looking for and and and honestly they [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► don't want somebody who's there to take [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► up a chair [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► they want they want somebody who [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► they might want somebody who's kind of [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► frustrated with the system think about [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► that depending on website or you want [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► somebody who is going to see through you [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► know to not have a preconception about a [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► certain side and if you and maybe you [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► want somebody who's a little cynical [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► about the system [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► what about a guy what about a [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► middle-aged guy who is bouncing up and [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► down in his chair going Oh see on the [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► face of it feels like that should really [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► work right feels it feels like that [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► would be just the thing that would say [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► look at this little fellow here I really [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► want to be here i want to do a good job [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► i will listen to the jury instructions i [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► will really listen to them [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► yeah i will get every little every last [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► every last comment in the jury [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► instructions because that's the type of [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► thing i like to give you a pad of paper [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► that's nice you can write things down [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► you can make notes but no chance there's [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► no chance I can't just go down and like [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► sit out front [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► I should I should go down to the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► courthouse it out front with a sign and [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► say why like I'm on strike against the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► court system why I never did know how [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► does taylor swift get called but not you [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► terry taylor swift got called to a jury [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► oh yeah she took selfies with everybody [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► well this is the thing I'm United I [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► wouldn't change it you're both you're [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► both prominent rock musicians if you can [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► take selfies with other jurors I'm gonna [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► be good at that too look I don't think [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► she was probably construction should i [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► do and you would have probably a great [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► outfit every day you look fantastic [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► people think they would be proud to have [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► them to be judged by you to be treated [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► by you [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► thank you i think there'd be you know [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► there'd be a 11 people up there couldn't [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► true and mhm and and and you know i [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► would look like amazing [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► it's too bad you can't just go and like [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► wish it was a little bit more like a [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► cafeteria where you could go and say [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► like you know there's my budget for this [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► like I don't like something it's not too [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► dramatic record be out in 24 days right [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► asian nation in panel juries at the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► start of the week they should know all [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► their cases [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► mhm and they should say who wants to be [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► on a one-day trial right everybody put [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► their hands up you know and it's like [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► who wants to be on a trial that [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► potentially could go for months [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► yes and they would be there be plenty of [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► people that were like you know what me [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► yeah meet me I want that I oh yeah so [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► anyway you are right here on the cusp of [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► an historic day [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► ya tomorrow yeah it's going to be [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► historic [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► God and everything is happening it's all [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► happening at once all the built up [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► stress of all these months [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► yeah and you're going to be sitting [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► somewhere listening to opening remarks I [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► don't know we'll see i'll find out today [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► find out this afternoon when reloading [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► the website sometimes they put up the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► notice little bit early [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► mhm oo laga vault is what we say in a [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► situation like this [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► yeah Mazel Tov cocktail yeah and I I i [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► want to wish you good good good speed [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► thank you you sound really good today [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► what's going on you sound the sound did [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► you did you would never make it to the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► pharmacy I did I did [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► I'm reupped on my on my pharmaceuticals [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► how this is great news [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yeah and but you know I spent the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► weekend down in a cabin on the water [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► yeah in the general vicinity of olympia [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► washington uh-huh and I was with the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► with some friends I brought my daughter [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► my lady friend was there some other pals [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► and we watched the bald eagles fly [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► around all that sounds really nice made [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► some you know is one of those things [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► where you spend eight hours making [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► dinner [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► well that's that's that's a nice day [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► that we decided that we had the big [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► carnival at school this weekend which [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► was which is a lot of work but uh but [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► but it's nice to have something that [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► distracts the mind a little bit with a [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► family that's a nice thing [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► yeah it was it was good and and now i'm [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► back here in the town and this is this [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► is a busy week for me course because [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► several months ago or something someone [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► wrote me an email which often happens [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and they said hey I've got a great idea [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► why don't you curate a show for election [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► night em and I was like that sounds [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► right up your alley [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► yeah curated show for election night [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► that's a wonderful idea yeah it'll be [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► great curated show for election night [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► okay great but then as time wore on the [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► show is a kind of shit like a regular [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► show that they do and they just have [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► guest curators come in but the Regular [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► Show has a real format [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► ok and so the formatted is not being [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► altered at all for the election night [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► and the format [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► office like okay i guess ii which is [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► what can I ask what the format is well [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the format is get three songwriters who [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► then sit onstage with one another and [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► interact with each other and like play [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► on one another's tunes which right away [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► is a ton of work for it's a lot more [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► than it sounds like it's yeah you don't [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► just get up and I'll Jam with you on [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► your tune like you have to learn 100 [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► songs have to rehearse them you have to [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► care you have to be into it right you [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► can just pick three random musicians [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► they all have to have respect for one [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► another and be into playing on one [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► another songs and play the right part be [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► supportive it's not always going to be [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► George Harrison eric clapton yeah right [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► and I you know I've seen shows where [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► everyone onstage totally respected one [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► another as songwriters but didn't [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► actually want to jam or want to play on [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► one you know that like like i did a tour [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► one time with like some very notable [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► people who were trying to do this thing [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► on to ER and at a certain point one of [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► the songwriters was like you know what [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► this doesn't really i feel like i am not [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► really into these other people's songs [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that much [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► creatively I know interesting and it was [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► like hmm what about you know like uh [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► well I guess right that that has an [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► internal integrity to it you know like [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► in a way that the because at first [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► you're like that's not being a very good [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► sport but then when you think about it [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► what the comment was effectively was you [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► know music is sacred calling to me and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► so I feel like I'm doing everyone a [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► disservice by playing half acidly on [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► this stuff that I can't get my whole [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► soul behind and so at the end of the day [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► or like [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► that's taking it more seriously than i [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► was taking it is out under fashion [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► opt-out jangling jangling I mean you [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► know and and so and I wasn't like one of [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► the players I was just I was just a was [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► actually the driver on that tour but [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► anyway so it's a bigger deal than just [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► ya throat three people up there and [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► they're going to gym with each other and [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► then here's the rest of the format [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► there will also be a poet whose onstage [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► with the three musicians are you with me [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► yes so far see where we're going am in [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► two painters who are painting during no [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and so I this all kind of like came out [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► gradually like Al i'll do a show and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► then I'm kind of a month of silence went [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► by and I was like all right we should [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► start talking about that show okay great [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► its election night what I was thinking [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► is that get up there with some friends [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► we play a song that we talked about the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► election we talk about the thing we [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► rapidly rap about about the the night [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► and then maybe play another song and and [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the person who runs the thing what came [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► back was like yeah uh except for that's [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► not how we do the show [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► here's how we do the show was like and [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► that with every iteration of like here's [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► how we do the show I was like oh uh yeah [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► alright yeah I get it [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► female poet and and some painters yeah [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I've been on stage with painters before [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► this is this i don't know man is that [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► this feels gimmicky well sure that's the [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► thing it's a gimmick but I mean it [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► sounds like a project runway and when [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► they ask people to be inspired by a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► bridge or a theme park ride and yeah I'm [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► not really sure that talent operation [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► yeah right two good-looking you can you [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► be inspired by the flashcard go [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► yeah and so and and also like it's not [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► at that point it's not me doing a show [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► it's me filling the role [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► for me the shooting me me now neither [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► UMC roll Yeah right [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► and so as time went on like I kind of [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► get less and less interested in it i [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► procured a couple of great musicians for [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► it but you know my butt and they're [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► gonna be amazing but like em I shit my [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► spot wasn't in it like a I i could I can [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► picture it going down and and I can him [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► see a thing like that because I'm not [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► someone who's like the spirit and soul [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► of my emceeing duties pro precludes me [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► from being a part of this like the dog [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► and pony show [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► yeah like no I will emcee your gamer you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► get out there MC yeah sure the release [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► of the new chevy camaro i would judge [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► that's a that's a show i'll couple the [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► microphone like you could hand me a [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► microphone at add up and a like legal [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► execution and I would be like thanks [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► everybody for coming [TS]

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00:33:42 ◼   ► uh so is everybody comfortable alright [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► let's get started so but then as time [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► went on it was like now wait a minute [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► this is not just a thing [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► this is not in the category of things [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that I kind of agreed to do and then [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► just sort of don't want to do as as it [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► gets closer to the show which is which [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► is a a a big category this is actually a [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► night that i would rather be somewhere [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► else because I've been getting a lot of [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► invitations like come to our election [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► night party it's gonna be insane and I'm [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► like I would like to do that rather I [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► would let a rather be a i would rather [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► be somewhere other than onstage with two [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► painters and poets and while you know [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► while three musicians like like [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► good-naturedly labor their way through a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► show and cologne off Annie just like so [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► this is a song that I wrote a few years [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► back and then everybody else is kind of [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► chin on hand going hm and you know in [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► the end the the main person of the thing [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► is standing in the back around the room [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► is half-full because none of us have [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► bothered to promote it or maybe the room [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► is 18 full which is going to be even [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► better because because its a night where [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► other people also want to be doing [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► something else and the guys are saying [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► this is tomorrow night [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► you have tomorrow and tonight at the [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► 2016 presidential election that's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► correct [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► now we're both in an awkward position [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► here this is proof yeah we are and in [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► fact i sent an email this past weekend [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► was like look we haven't really promoted [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► this there aren't that many people [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► clearly we haven't prepared at all so [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► why don't we just put postpone this and [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► the person running it wrote me back very [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► carefully was like haha I totally know [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► we're coming from but we've never [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► postponed to show we are no he said we [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► don't postpone these I was like we don't [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► postpone these um like we don't we don't [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► put our elbows on the table we don't we [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► don't take a crap on the table we do it [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► we do it no matter what right and I felt [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► like well if that's the case then you [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► must have a contingency plan for when I [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► don't do it failure is not an option but [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► i don't but i didn't do that of course [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► because I track its porky the MC yeah [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► and so I was like em right have you have [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► you have you attended one of these no [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► okay no because over them they have been [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► doing this for a long time but this is [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► not the kind of show I typically would [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► go to unless someone specifically [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► invited me and it met the following [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► criteria I cared about the performers I [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► didn't have anything else to do i [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► happened to be in the neighborhood right [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► and someone took me by the hand and said [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► I'd never seen the likes of McNamara's [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► and why not come with them now and none [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► of those things that ever happened and [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► so and everything is it takes place in [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► an old church i think and also it has [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► always big league had a sort of churchy [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► vibe in the sense that you know the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► Seattle music scene 10 years ago 10 to [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► 12 years ago there was a new sort of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► very evangelical element that came into [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► the music scene interesting that was a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► thing where a lot of kids that had grown [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► up with evangelical parents were in [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► churches where rock and roll was not [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► only permitted but encouraged ok like [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► the the worship band was a rock band [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► rather than on rock band and so it was [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► an element of you know it's like when [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► the minister's started to have tattoos [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► and started to do you remember did you [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► ever see the long winters on tour where [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► Shawn Nelson bought an extreme teen [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► bible and every you know between songs [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► he would just read excerpts final [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► remember that but i have heard about [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► this is a kind of famous Bible yeah the [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► extreme teen bible where all the Bible [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► verses had been written had been [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► rewritten in in terms you know in in [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► what they imagine where the language of [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► extreme team boy and we had one of these [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► a long time ago we it was a it was one [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of our gimmicks reread it for one tour [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► at the met the Old Testament would be [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► pretty interesting mean really good so [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► many extreme parts and you know Shawn [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► Nelson is a great reader louder and he [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► did a little bit dramatic interp [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► but anyway so the extreme-teen [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► rock-and-roll things started to come [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► into the Seattle music scene kind of [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► heavy it was just sort of they're all of [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► a sudden and those of us who had been in [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the music scene for a long time like [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► what the who and david bazan being one [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► of the big one of the earliest and sort [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► of most prominence people in this thing [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► but it turned out that segment of the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► scene which was a large you know twenty [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► percent probably of the music scene at a [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► certain point produced a lot of big rock [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► bands like the head and the heart came [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► out of that and a and father john misty [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► and you know like a lot and a lot of [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► them lost their a as they became more [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► you know basically let's just say drugs [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► and sex whenever the kind of late [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► transition but a lot of people good and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► so this venue and this experience over [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► there with the painters in the poet and [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► always had a little bit of a vibe of [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► being part of that scene and that seems [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► always been a little difficult to [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► navigate because it's never over to [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► nobody says nobody ever has said that [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► I've seen from the stage anything [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► remotely proselytizing it's just they're [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► like hey everybody thanks for coming to [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► the show and then they play the show and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► there's all the kind of in coded [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► language in the songs about lifting [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► oneself up that dog was a face you get [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► all the dog whistles within the tunes [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► but all kind of in extreme teen language [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► and so the people better looking for the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► people that are there because the band [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► is also in their church [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► um they're all like nodding and going [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► like yes [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► like who this past year at the puyallup [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► fair which is the Washington State Fair [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► there was a there's a tent where they do [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► them and the sort of community cultural [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► events like the the tide answers like [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► people that are in their inner in there [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► practicing their own sort of a culture [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► of of a particular community like it [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► there at one point during the day will [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► be ethiopian drummers [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► and then it will be so forth and so you [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► know and I and I went by I went by the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► 10 at one point and there were these [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► wonderful women doing this sort of you [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► this ballet like but modern like they're [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► doing modern ballet across the stage and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► there's no one in the audience and so I [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► think this is wonderful and obviously [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I'm with my daughter and sheep is [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► intrigued and all the women are in kind [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► of like different shades of pastel sort [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► of flowing angelic costume and they're [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► doing this wonderful dancing and so we [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► go over we sit down in the chair and [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► there and and they're obviously like [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► both really talented dancers and also [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► really sincere about what they're doing [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► and I was really drawn in and so was a [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► little one and then at one point one of [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► the because because they're be group [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► dancing and then on either side of the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► stage they would be the dancers in [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► waiting and there was something about [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► the way that they that they constructed [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► their act so that these dancers would [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► move kind of like a wave over in this [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► direction and then they would pick up [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► one of the dancers that was on the side [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► she would join their little motion and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► they spin around and then wave around [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and then two of them would drop off the [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► other side of the stage and then they'd [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► spin around and then one of them would [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► come on from you was like really a fluid [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► motion sensor network [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► it was great you know a lot of work and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► then at one point one of the dancers on [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► the other side i noticed had one hand up [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► in the air palm out and was eyes closed [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► kind of like head lifted into the [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► heavens [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► hi there there exalting a little bit [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► yeah well at first I didn't recognize [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► what it was I thought maybe it was part [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► of the dance and and I was even more [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► intrigued because i thought oh wait are [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the dancers in waiting on the side of [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► the stage also in the dance and I'm just [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► not paying attention to them but in in [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► standing there watching the dance [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► they're also actually did that they [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► should be regarded as being on [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► per centum yeah there they are part of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the offstage as part of the stage [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► because you know it's all exposed and I [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► was like what is going on and then I saw [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► and she was kind of like singing along [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► with the music and then I then I was [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► like oh is that some exaltation is that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► like some and I maybe a 1.2 put her hand [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► over heart and then I started to see a [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► couple other of the dancers also [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► behaving in this fashion and so I tuned [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► into the music a little bit more and it [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► was because it was rock music it wasn't [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► they were dancing not to classical music [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► but to like a pretty rock and electric [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► pop I tuned in to the music and started [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► to hear that dog whistling lyrics about [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► i mean i can't duplicate the lyrics but [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► definitely like stuff that was about [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► well it probably like like freedom you [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► made eternity being together forever [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► gress people guiding you not you know [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► like the loaves and two fishes which is [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► a great lyric and then I realized oh my [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► goodness this is a rockin modern ballet [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► evangelical troupe who rather than do a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► kind of Mennonite costume got into super [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I mean they're because they're all while [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► women between the ages of 20 and 25 and [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► they're all great dancers and all you [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► know live in this and so I was like what [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► community of evangelical Christians can [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► produce this like what was that what [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► started it was it like in the church and [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► then someone said hey who wants to [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► audition for the dance troupe or was it [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► did it start as a dance troupe and then [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► they all converted Raven but but there's [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► that idea of using one's talents to [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► serve the Lord right it would just which [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► way to that where did that come from [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► yeah and how do you how do you gather [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► unto you onto your flock 25 great dance [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► it wasn't like there was one really good [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► dancer and a bunch of people kind of [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► just winging it [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► yeah it's not it's not just [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► regular people in the church they're [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like hey let's use dance it was no we're [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► all we all came we all studied and [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► that's a very interesting project [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► because how do you get 25 really good [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► dancers to do anything regardless of [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► like where they're coming from [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► let alone you know I mean it's just like [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► saying we would we're gonna put together [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► a dance troupe of people that you know [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► like of the greatest chess players in [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► the region who also are amazing dancers [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and I guess there are probably more [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► there are probably more Christian [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► dancers than there are chess-playing [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► dancers or like top shelf just playing [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► games the top but it's hard to know [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► because it's like it's a it's a part of [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► a pie chart it's like a subset of the [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► pie I mean there's not that many of any [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► of those things but then when you get [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► that down to number of people who have [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► an evangelical bent and then the smaller [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► number that are willing to combine those [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► you can do a pretty thin slice of pie [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► well yeah and it's like it's not just [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► dancers right there there were no there [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► were no people up on stage who had [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► majored in hip-hop dance [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► I mean it's like classically trained [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► dancers are they could all go up on [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► point they were all they were all [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► leapers you know so I so within the [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► within the Seattle music scene there's a [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► similar kind of thing like the the rock [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► the Christian rock overlap here is all [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► very beardy it's all very band Joey and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► it's all like you know tight pants and [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► and what we formerly would have said [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► were chained wallets but they don't you [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► know nobody wears a chain wallet anymore [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► and and so it's a it's this you know [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► it's a scene within a scene which is all [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► to say this is one more very smart i [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► mean i'm i'm not i'm not kept out of [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that scene at all some of the people in [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that scene are very good friends and [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► musical even musical collaborators [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► so what that but it's just another small [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► thing that would have kept me from going [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► to see this painter poet thing because [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► it sort of like known you know like I [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► hear your dog whistle but I'm not a dog [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► I do the reason keep turning it over in [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► this particular way is like this [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► did the the you you you put it well with [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► that with the first basic layer which is [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► there's going to be these three [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► musicians that are interacting playing [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► to their songs which as you described as [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► is pretty complicated stuff [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► yeah but it doesn't stop there because [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► they don't you you've got the this other [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► like you know there was it the musicians [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► of bremen or whatever one's called [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► remember that were they animal stand on [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► each other shoulders now the musicians [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► of bremen someone's calm i was called [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► something like that but you get the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► drift I think it's the music I think [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it's the biggest the lipizzaner play out [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► dr. stocke music yeah the dot-dot-dot [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► because I guess that stock out don't [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► give me it's not a bad idea i'm doctor [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► doctor dresdin a thousand-dollar the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► Stardust monkey down and yes but then [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► you add in the poly and then yeah I the [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► painter supposed to be painting based on [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► how they feel of what they're watching [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► or the illustrators of the scene because [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► that they're trying to get at is is that [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► I i I'm sometimes intrigued and often [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► very befuddled by the abstract idea of [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► what other people who find entertaining [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► and almost feels like a stoner chef were [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► like you're going to come up with these [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► really crazy ideas that sound really [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► good in your head might actually be kind [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► of fun if you're super high but for [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► somebody who's not that's not [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► you're not going to get a sitter to go [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► to the stoner restaurant and I'm saying [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► instead I think there's this very fairly [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► abstract idea of look what constitutes [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► entertainment because reasons because [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like you have a certain way of thinking [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► about things but like that sounds like a [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► first draft of an event to me right that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► does not sound like something I would [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► return to a lot and maybe that's just [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► because I'm not collect enough to [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► appreciate the the beaux-arts all going [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► together like that but that it feels [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► very abstract so this so in my music [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► career this has happened now several [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► times like there's a there's that show [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► in portland that I often do live wire [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► which is sort of a old old-timey radio [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► show but but new tiny but they have you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► know they have fully artists they have [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► people doing skits left is another show [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► that that sounds kind of like right like [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► radio radio here we come up here comes [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► just like you do a lot of garrison [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► keillor fans coming up to defend [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► riparian companion to you sure that [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► you've never heard I got a lot i got a [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► lot of like how you know how dare you [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► and I was like I'm not listen I said [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► very clearly i've never heard very own [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► companion i'm just shitting on it from [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► afar as well you know there's a lot in [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► this culture and I'm I'm guilty of this [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► where you're just you're just shooting [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► on things with a t-shirt cannon right [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► like I see that [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► hey you up there this dance with walk up [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► but button so there was a there was a [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► person named Scott pool who was the poet [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► laureate of a lot of the livewire shows [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► i did who watch the show throughout the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► show and then at the end of the show got [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► up and performed a poem sort of an epic [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► poem that he'd written about the show he [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► just watched oh my goodness he was a [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► talented poet and a funny person and he [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► would read these bones and you'd be like [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► you know I was wincing as you walked up [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► on the stage at the prospect of thinking [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► it but hearing a poem about this show [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► but that was pretty good you know like i [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► like that that was good i don't know if [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► i would buy a book of them but you know [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► so I've done shows where there was an [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► element of this and then a few times [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► I've been on stage with a painter or at [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► least seen a painter onstage with really [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► one time that I feel like this is the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► first I've ever heard of that now so [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► this is the best I don't know if it's a [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► thing but it's been enough of us can see [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► somebody doodling at a conference i have [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► a friend is one of those people who's [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► he's a doodler and the conference goers [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► and he brings to get together too much [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► wonderful effect will doodle his version [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► of like have this one big one panel a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► page of a person's talk that can be [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► really illuminating and one of the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► better summaries of what you've just [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► seen like I could see that like somebody [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► sitting there with a black pen and a [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► piece of paper so that person that [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► you're describing has actually doodled [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► one of my talks all right and and [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► economic on was done by that this game [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► talk about david gray he's a good dude [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► learns that I kind of me that i use [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► everywhere is is from he did the stuff [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► for the Merlin show remember that show [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that you won't [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah that was that's all him yeah he did [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► me at added the XOXO conference and [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► you're right there's a central drawing [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► and then around a lot of thought bubbles [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► that I i enjoy this but actually at that [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► same talk another person was doing the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► same thing like multiple people think [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► that that's a generous i think that's [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► kind of genre but this is not that right [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► now this is a painting or above adopt of [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► the bit is an oil painting [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► well there are two painters two sailors [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► it's just like finding a bunch of [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► evangelical dancers how do you find two [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► painters who will a paint in front of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► people in the space of an hour and a [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► half the two painters is super [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► interesting to me for negative reasons [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► baseball because it certainly could [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► think about like oh you know uh [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► lin-manuel miranda is obviously the guy [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► who plays Hamilton but have your money [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► as his understudy he understands he's [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the understudy in your house now is that [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► is one of the primary painter and the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► other one is the backup and if not how [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► is it not a competition and what is a [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► backup paint [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► well it must be that they're both on [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► snare both lieutenant Colonel's painting [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► it's just that you can help ago that was [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► way better [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► well yeah and so are the painters on [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► opposite sides of the stage facing the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► audience or are they [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► situated next to one another and like [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► looking at each other's painting as [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► they're painting like me that's right is [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► that I'm going to use brown too i don't [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► like haha i don't know i have no idea [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► having never been to the show right it's [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► just like like if somebody came to me [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► and said all right you have to put on an [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► episode of prairie home companion go i [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► would say alright and I'd step to the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► microphone and say Lake Wobegon is a [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► little old town where everybody has a [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► good day and people are nice to one [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► another and what's done are you really [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► nailed it and you know here is an [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► advertiser false advertisement for some [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► old-timey flower and now we're going to [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► hear some banjo picking from this guy [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► standard brought awareness and banjo [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► picking from this painter while this [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► painter paints them you know and then i [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► might be able to you know [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► t-shirt cannon bullshitter of my way [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► through an hour and a half of that [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► matters are those shows four and a half [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► hours the two hours long as its [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► presented on the public radio and it's [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► probably in it right it's probably [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► careful editing before our long-term my [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► I imagine it's longer than they added it [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► down I [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► I would imagine 16 hours is right that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► he writes that show everyone and I mean [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► that's the other guy but i mean god I've [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► always admired that about him that he p [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► wrote that show every week now he's [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► retired he's probably driving around in [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► a in a Volvo station wagon that has a [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► Ford v8 motor in it that was given to [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► him by Paul moment well that's nice [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► let me know what that's really nice yeah [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► that is nice but I so the two times I've [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► seen this done [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► one time I was on stage with john [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► hodgman in tucson arizona and there's a [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► local painter who painted an epically [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► sized mural a mural that went across the [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► entire back of the stage so we're [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► talking about 25 to 30 feet long and 10 [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► feet tall and he painted it throughout [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► the show and it was a picture of cthulhu [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► and cthulhu was with its many tentacles [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► grabbing both hodgman and me [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► wow really well represented and pulling [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► us you know into its cthulhu nightscape [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► it is that while the show is going on [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► all the show was going on and completed [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► it by the end of the show so that it was [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► like a complete work and like kind of [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► amazing so amazing that it felt like a [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► shame too because it's not a thing that [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► anybody would has even have space for [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► and if you did have space for it [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► probably you don't want to an epically [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► like multi-panel oil painting of me and [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► husband being dragged bike tool so but [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► but it also felt like too big of a too [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► great of a thing to just throw in a [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► dumpster and that was like a really [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► impressive work and in the space of the [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► show it didn't really intrude on the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► show he just work back there doing his [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► thing and it just gradually produced an [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► effect of wow this is a this has been a [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► great show this and that's pretty that's [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► pretty awesome it was inspiring would [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► have to depend a lot on what the person [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► who is doing that work and how it turned [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► out right right and and and i think a [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► lot of it was the sort of tight wire act [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► of when he first started painting on [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► this giant can [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► dislike what this is going to be awful [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► you know this shows only two hours long [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► how can this possibly turn out and it [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► did but the other time I've seen i was [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► playing in a was playing a big show at [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► in the the Oregon State Capitol at a [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► university there and we were the the [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► headliners of the the universities like [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► spring flame and it was one of the great [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► it was one of the great sort of shows of [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► that era for us because all day long you [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► you felt like it was a it was a stage [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► set up on a big grassy field like the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► quad and it and the audience was kind of [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► milling around as they so often do at [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► those events like sort of sparse on the [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► ground and we've played these shows as [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► not the headliner before like we played [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► a show it at Central Washington [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► University one time where the headliner [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► was somebody like sir mix-a-lot and we [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► played on a stage where you could have [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► you could have said hello to each [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► audience member by name and spoken to [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► them at length about their day and it [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► wouldn't have intruder on the shell and [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► those are terrible [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► I mean even when you're being paid a lot [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► of money to do them to just stand there [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► and play to an empty grass field is a [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► bad feeling alright so we were here at [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► this university we're playing this we're [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► watching the other bands and it's also [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► like 15 bands on stage and uh we're [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► watching the other bands and know the [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► audience is not very big and it's a big [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► field and we're like this is another one [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► of these bogus bogus things we played a [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► ski resort 12 her [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► actually wait a minute we played to ski [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► resorts both times opening for the [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► presidents of the united states of [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► america and one and one time in front of [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► the day lodge and it was another thing [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► where they were a bunch of people like [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► literally on skis watching us play and [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► it felt like this kind of a bummer and [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► then the presidents of the USA took the [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► stage and all of a sudden there were 900 [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► in ski boots all standing and snow [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► totally rocking out the second time it [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► was a better deal it was at the sundance [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► melts blood i digress and this was the [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► thing where when we took the stage at [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► the show in Oregon all of a sudden there [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► were 900 people there and they were [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► going crazy and it was like this is the [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► greatest night of our lives like how did [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► this happen where did they all come from [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► but anyway the band that played [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► immediately before us was a band that he [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► that you know their name now is is [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► fairly known in in any Rock circles and [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► let's call them like the rainbow [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► happiness band name is somewhat similar [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► to them occasionally rainbow goodtime [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► Charlie happiness band and one of their [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► elements in addition to several other [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► elements there psychedelic music was [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that one of the members of the band was [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► sort of like des from the happy mondays [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► or there was another band that had that [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► hazel also had a dancer who is just a [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► member of the band [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► yeah but this band had a painter it was [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► a member of the band boy and she painted [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► throughout the show and we're talking [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► about a 45-minute show but made multiple [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► works of art during that time so it was [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► just sort of up there throwing paint and [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► canvas not literally Jackson Pollock and [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► she had brushes but she was like making [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► art is very very kinetic kinetic art [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► related to it wasn't like I'm making art [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► about the music it is i am a member of [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► this art troupe which is making music [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► and also visual arts and it was [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► interesting to watch and at the time [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► like a little bit little bit of a of a [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► of a line somewhere between like is this [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► a gimmick or is this the expression of [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► these people who really maybe all grew [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► up together living in a tree house and [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► maybe they're all brother and sister LOL [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► ok and also kind of feels [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► ok and also kind of feels [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► like something from the mid late sixties [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► late sixties early seventies right it [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► seems like something where you would you [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► would you calm you would all get [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► together and one person would make soup [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► and the other one play the tambourine [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► about it and then somebody would have [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► like an interpretive dance and this guy [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► over here [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► oh and it has no soon and somebody the [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► other day on the internet said that we [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► were a show with a bunch of callbacks in [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► it huh [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► and I was like you know there was a time [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► when I didn't I was very contemptuous of [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► shows that had callbacks [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► yeah it seemed seem lazy but then I [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► realized we do have callbacks and you [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► know go stuff yourself [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► yeah sit on it yeah my cousin our party [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► after nose with a rubber hose [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► yeah Boston Mass go to 134 stifling like [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► how do you like about them apples [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► that's right that's probably the 10,000 [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► time i said them apples [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► in any case indicate the thing is here's [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► the thing here's the thing about things [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► and so yeah right it felt like I mean [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► the grateful dead in the early days the [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► people that were doing and i think it's [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► a it's a person whose name is well known [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► within the within these scenes who sort [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► of started doing those oil-based light [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► shows [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► oh yeah sure like Fred look for the [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► electrical a NASA test stuff [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► yeah where they had you know they had [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► they had overhead projector they would [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► do that we think they did that at the [TS]