Roderick on the Line

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00:00:22 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin is going well [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► it's a little complicated [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► no dear i'm switching headphones you [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► seem like you're in a different room [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► yeah i'm always in a different room [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► stand by here goes headphones with ready [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► okay [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► ah I can't hear you now because i'm [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► switching John is switching so here we [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► we'll need to hear unfolding China's [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► back John is switching his headphones [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► either can hear me yeah you sound good [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► can hear me Merlin yeah I can hear I can [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► hear you now I can hear you [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► oh ok i'm having a problem with a large [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► problem is complicated huh [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► are you on bart equipment what it is is [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it's a headphone jack and malfunctioning [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► yeah and so I only I'm hearing you in [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► mono now [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► oh I just in one year just in one area [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► must be maddening that's not good that's [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► not good that's not how I normally here [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► Merlin Mann and it's what it feels like [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► to be Brian Wilson this is exactly what [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► it feels like to be Brian I feel like [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► right now I'm and I filled my living [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► room was saying its full catch em oh man [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► yeah so it's almost a form of virtual [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► reality or sec augmented reality this is [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► kind of it's a it's a nurse at Brian [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► Wilson emulator yeah it's it's like dr [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► demented reality or dog mented reality [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► I'm broadcasting to you live from Venice [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► California [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► oh there you are can you see the beach [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► no no I can't see the beach i can see [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► Russia from here but not the beach [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► yeah that's one thing about Alaskans a [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► lot of people don't know it isn't that [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Alaska is close to Russia it's just that [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► all Alaskans can see Russia from [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► wherever they are [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► is that it now has hasn't fallen nature [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► versus nurture is that just something [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► thats is something like in the water or [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► do you think something genetic it's [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► really more Heisenberg Ian oh sure right [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► like you're not sure what happens [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► well know that Russia is there by virtue [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► of our observation rather than there [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► being a Russian really necessarily units [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► and about quantum quantum observation [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► there it is that's right that's right I [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► i observe Russia and then spookily at a [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► distance and other Alaskans also [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► observed Russian and if everybody in [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► Alaska lined up at the same time you [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► know who knows we would be like Hands [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► Across America before for vision or [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► politics [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► mhm i was watching now you know they got [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► bob ross on netflix nah [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah they got like a like a [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► full-season a bob ross on their endeavor [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► thought of his program is happening in [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► seasons he's a very interesting guy and [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► he you know he don't know if you've [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► watched his his old show on PBS but it's [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it's a it's it's strangely relaxing and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► kind of fascinating to watch don't see [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► how you could be an American person and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► not have watched that show [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► yeah because because it's not just [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► mesmerizing over time it's like [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► instantly mesmerizing e yeah it's and I [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► mean you know what he say about bob ross [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► i mean obviously he had a it was kind of [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► a bit was one of those things like the [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► star hustler or something where people [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► knew about it and it's funny you make [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► fun of it but but when you actually [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► watch the show it's it's pretty amazing [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► like to feel like you have a lot to say [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► about bob ross maybe more than most [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► well you know i am going to wikipedia [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► was watch on [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► but the reason I mentioned here you know [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► it is on netflix if you ever get a TV [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► but the other thing is that he has said [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► numerous times in this just makes sense [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► to me that a lot of his inspiration was [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► very inspired technically by this by [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► this one fella who sort of um [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► popularized the wet on wet painting [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► technique they eventually had a big [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► fracture fracture in their relationship [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► that's very sad but the fact that he [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► paints the way that he does in the kinds [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► of things that he does is owing to the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► fact that he was stationed in alaska was [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► cute when he was in the service he was [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► like a like a sergeant guy and I want to [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► like supply or something like that but [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that's when he took up painting to [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► augment his income he would make these [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► paintings and sell them and that Alaskan [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► influence is still there so that that [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► maybe that has something to do with [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► nature of his visions any different [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► he he uses the wet on wet technique the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► wet on wet technique yeah that's what [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► that's what enables the whole thing wet [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► on wet now that I don't know a lot about [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► this but it's my understanding that [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► typically when your oil painting you get [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► your campus you get your chest so you [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► got your that dry stretch your cameras [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► got all ready to go and start painting [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► in layers and I think he ordinarily wait [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► for one layer to dry [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► well before you putting more on what Bob [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► Ross does based on this technique this [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► guy named Alexander not to be confused [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► with the alexander technique he uses he [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► has a hole wet canvas really uses the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► wet paint and you know what Bob Bob Bob [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► rossi he doesn't call it a mistake [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► because it a happy accident you can have [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► these happy cloud happy tree and he has [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► squirrels on a show sometimes I my [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► experience loses one of the things [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► growing up I didn't I guess I didn't [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► think about it until i was out of Alaska [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► it's one of those one of those [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Heisenberg in things where you can't see [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it until until you take yourself out of [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► it's like it's like a Schroedinger box [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► right you can't tell if I the burgers in [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► the box and does that happen [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► yeah orders [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► so I moved away from Alaska and I [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► realized that all art in Alaska or the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► vast majority of art in Alaska is kitsch [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► all Alaska absurd painting landscape [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► painting is all done in this style where [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► there's the northern lights and there's [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► snowy it's nighttime and there's a and [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► there's a a log cash and maybe you know [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► definitely some some happy trees [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► definitely maybe some unhappy trees but [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► every Alaskan in the state has a [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► painting of Alaska or multiple paintings [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► of Alaska in their home and they're all [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► this sort of they're all done in a very [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► similar style a lot of them are actually [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► painted on gold bands which is a thing [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► that song in some ways you know you know [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► what a gold pan looks like like a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► sentence creek pants use for pitchers [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► hold ya so discreet been right so that [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► is a gold pans are a canvas in Alaskan [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► culture upon which all manner of dreams [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► are projected but if you go into [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► someone's home in Alaska and there and [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► they are middle-class it's but there's a [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► very good chance that they will have a [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► gold pan mounted on the wall that has a [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► painting on it and and their bare you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know that these paintings vary in size [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► primarily and if you go into a really [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► nice house in Alaska maybe one that is [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► really nicely decorated in every other [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► way somewhere you will find a gold pan [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► some more prominently a gold pan painted [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► with the scene of the northern lights [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► and a little cash and some snow and even [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► the finest Alaskan painting the jacob [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► Lawrence's of the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► Velasquez theme of paintings that now [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► sell for tens and hundreds of thousands [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► of dollars are also landscape paintings [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► and they don't necessarily have the [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► northern lights in them there's that I [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► think maybe the very highest echelon of [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► Alaskan painting you are allowed to not [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► include the northern lights [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► hmm but a but and this is kind of true [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► of like all Alaskan culture right like [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the songs that come out of Alaska [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► including my cousins albums they feature [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► Alaska I prominently and the writing [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► that comes out of Alaska's largely [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► centered on Alaska or or takes place in [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► Alaska there's there's that it's that [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► it's that it's that encompass moment a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► compass in Ascension engine went yes [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► alas canna Alaska which produces a last [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► canna and alas canna is the primary form [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► of like cultural production of Alaska [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► and so now that i know bob ross learned [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that in Alaska it so much makes sense [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► you know that kind of like the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► reproducible miss of it the the the way [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that those landscapes kind of come [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► his and now i'm thinking about them you [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► know sort of located on a giant gold pan [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and all comes together [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► all he needs is a little bit of northern [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► lights well let me catch these paintings [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► are not cheap and the gold pan painting [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► some of them are I want to share [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► something with you that will probably [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► not surprise you when i went and [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► searched on the internet for gold pan [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► paintings it it auto completed with bob [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► ross what gold campaigns I'm i am [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► looking right now at some of the mini [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► bob ross original gold pan paintings [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► including one of a mountain and a cabin [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► and the northern lights [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► you're kidding time not i'm not even [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► kidding you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► we have arrived it we've arrived at some [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► kind of single again [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► my gosh is a lot of sirens going by hope [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► everything's okay you have noticed that [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► do you think what the Sanderson [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► encroaching what do I think what's [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► pretty cold today those those uh and the [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► sound a little bit like police sirens to [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► me i'm not sure there's a difference but [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► you know as you know you see me [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► demonstrate I can tell the different [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► kinds of delivery services by the sound [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► of the truck [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► I can't hear many things but I'm usually [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► pretty good at identifying vehicles you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► do that when planes you can do that with [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► planes i can try to get pretty close i [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► can try an airplane to to know what I'm [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► hearing yeah it's very very distinctive [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► cadence to it to US postal service truck [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► that's not right that's the different [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► from UPS or or any other oh yeah [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► absolutely [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► FedEx truck sound more expensive and the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the Postal Service ones have a very have [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► a very distinctive kind of disappointed [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► sound a sound tired [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► what are the ones that sound like rumble [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► Rumble Rumble which ones are those that [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► sounds to me like a garbage truck [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► oh em that my pee yeah what I'm thinking [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► of where our garbage garbage truck is [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► unchanged and change the topic it very [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► leisurely very leisurely garbage person [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► so they really really take their time my [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► garbage truck because i live in and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► maybe like a crosshatch neighborhood [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► that has some some streets are are dead [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► ends Cossacks the garbage men and there [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► are always men [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► mmm they come through the neighborhood [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► in a very curious pattern where instead [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► of going down the streets that are [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► blocked off they they turn their trucks [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► at and then back down the streets that [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► are blocked off [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that's interesting yeah so that advocate [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► every time [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► yeah they that's their routine they you [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► know they pull little T maneuver and [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► then they back all the way down the long [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► block to the end and then are able to [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► drive forward out of there but what that [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► means is that half the time they're in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► my neighborhood by volume they are going [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► course fully half the time and or maybe [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► even more the time because more than [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► more than half the time because you have [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► to account for the time that they're [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► pulling the team maneuver and so and and [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► they come service my neighborhood at the [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► crack of dawn i am the first [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► neighborhood in town to get their [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► garbage picked up on fridays and so it's [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► a real symphony the beeps plus rattles [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► and squeaky brakes and big diesel motors [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► or whatever those are now two diesel [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► combined with compressed air combined [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► with corn syrup and whatever those [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► motors are running on and and also they [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► get their route I've tried to try to map [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► it as you do that you try to map view [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the garbage truck says that you likely [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► you reach a certain certain and we [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► talked about Rev route talk or root talk [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► a.sesay and you know I think as you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► reach a certain age in life you became [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► very interested in how people are [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► compelled or choose to wear out their [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► vehicles i think it's a very interesting [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► topic and then once you start noticing a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► pattern [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► yeah you can't help but notice right and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► I and I thought you know the the way the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► garbage trucks empty a neighborhood of [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► their of the neighborhood's garbage and [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► then move on you know that's a system [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that's part of a larger system and so I [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► became curious as to whether it was just [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► Emma tized across the whole city or [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► whether each whether the managers like [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it's like a car and every year ever [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► yeah every neighborhood is d garbage in [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► a different way that's right makes sense [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► up but maybe not you know maybe maybe [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► it's maybe its institutional a top-down [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► system or maybe garbage managers like [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► listen my own neighborhood I know better [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► than anyone and in our neighborhood in [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► my in Sector 14 we back down every [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► called a sec and the guy that's running [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► some sector-12 is like that's ridiculous [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► who knows i don't i'm not i'm not privy [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► I you know with when I was running for [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► City Council one of the questions I [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► asked my team was once i'm in city [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► council because I presume that would be [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► sharp [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► do I have the authority doing do I have [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► the ability to go down to the Sanitation [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► Department and get a report and say I'd [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► like a report I'd like to sit here and [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► be in a room with you guys and get a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► report from everybody about what's going [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► what kind of decreasing yeah and they [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► looked at each my team sort of looked at [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► each other and slowly nodded and said he [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► would be able to do that I think you [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► would scare a lot of people they [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► wouldn't know why you were there and I [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► said all climb there i just want to i [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► want to go around to the city and all [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the all the agencies that are performing [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► all these marvelous tasks I want to get [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► a report [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► thank you i'm not going to tell them how [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► to do their jobs just you you seek first [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► to understand [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► yeah it's like Don Schaffner food safety [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► podcast right I've got a lot of [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► questions about how the garbages how [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► about the plan is run here and people [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► people who think about how they do their [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► job all day long are usually very keen [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► to tell you [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah I couldn't wait but but now as [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► a layperson is just a common member of [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► the city community [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► I don't feel like I have this thing is I [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► don't want to just go like wait in the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► lobby with my hat in my hand for some [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► press secretary to come out and say what [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► can we do for you now I'm like [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► constantly reexamining our processes to [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► find efficiencies and yeah I don't say I [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► just want to sit in a room with all that [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► with all those district managers and [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► hear how the [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► garbages then they just be like listen [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► we're very busy here [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► yeah but if I showed up as a city [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► councilman with my you know my little [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► entourage [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► yeah imagine the power point that I [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► would get to see and I probably would [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► scare people that that's not what they [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► want that's not what they get most city [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► council people and by most I mean all to [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► not have not been to the Sanitation [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► Department probably although who knows [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► but uh but yes so i'm very curious about [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► it and once i started watching what they [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► were doing it so it's quite an elaborate [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► party to do [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► it's a it's a little bit of a swan lake [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► that's happening and garbage trucks it [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► seems to me are running a running a a [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► lot of redundant trips down the street [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► you know I mean like garbage truck comes [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► first appears in the neighborhood goes [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► past my house kind of a add up at a good [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► clip [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► ok it's going somewhere it's going [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► somewhere yeah then I hear it beeping [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► somewhere in the neighborhood and then [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► another garbage truck goes by again at a [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► pretty good clip on a different Street [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► it's not the same garbage truck it's a [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► different one on a neighboring streets [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► oh I hear him go by then I hear him [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► beeping and mind your mind beeping and [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► then one of them goes by my house again [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► in the opposite direction [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► still not making any attempt to stop and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► pick up garbage and i'm watching these [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► things go by and I'm like I would think [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► that there would be a route through this [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► neighborhood that would just sort of be [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► like an S and one garbage truck would [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► just go s around and pick up all the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► garbage [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► I wouldn't think it would require two [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► garbage trucks making multiple passes [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► before they arrive at their and there's [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► this is all this is all residential this [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► is all residents presumably everybody [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► has mostly the same trash containers [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► they're all identical ok alright this is [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► this is this is good this is a mystery [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► as the kind of thing you know once you [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► get this on your mind it's hard to get [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► it off right so you know I and I'm not [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► usually up at six or seven to be out [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► like chasing them around with that with [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► a clipboard state love that you get home [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► like any just a moment [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► hold on just a second here one of the [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► greatest experiences I ever had was [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► right when i moved into my house I'd [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► cleaned out all this garbage from the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► from the house and had produced a stack [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► of like 30 black garbage bags it was [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► just a mountain of garbage bags out in [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► front of my house and I'd gone on to the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► city website send and read all the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► information about it and city has very [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► clear rules about overages they said you [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► get two garbage bags as part of your [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► weekly thing and then each additional [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► garbage bag is eighty dollars [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► quick question point of the information [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► so do you have cans for those are they [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► actually just bags on the curb [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► these are bags on the curb I did not [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► have 30 garbage cans had them stacked up [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► in a pyramid and a and I was very [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► anxious because I didn't you know that [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► was the only place I could put these [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► bags the garbage man was about to arrive [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► stair dismount bags and start counting [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► up in increments of 80 how much I was [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► going to own and he and I'm so that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► seems like resort prices [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► yeah well I mean you know there they [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► they got a plan [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► this is all part of the system they've [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► they've determined the price of extra [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► bags based on an algorithm that [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► oh that I would be able to understand if [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► I had gone if I'd won my race for City [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► Council but I don't understand presently [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► and I didn't understand them it wasn't [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► exactly a dollar moves a lot of money [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► that was good to take all these 30 bags [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► gonna be a lot of money for the cheaper [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► have a holler person come out right but [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► I just cleaned the place out this was [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► this was all very fresh and so I made a [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► point to be standing next to my mountain [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► of garbage bags at seven o'clock in the [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► morning we are rolled I i had even [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► dressed okay because I wanted to be a [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► meeting you're taking yeah I wanted to [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► make a good presentation I wanted my [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► garbage person to like me [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► yeah I understand your karma the bass [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► player of the Death Cab for Cutie's had [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► worked as a garbage man into comas [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► hilltop neighborhood a long time ago as [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► a young man before he was a before he [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► was in a rock band and he'd given me a [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► lot of garbage man inside knowledge [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► stuff like this [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► yes he told me all about being a garbage [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► man he told the story about an old [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► garbage man on his route in tacoma who [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► had a very very large collection only of [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► discarded Polaroid sex pictures people [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► would take you know their picture of [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► their girlfriend or their wife and then [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► for whatever reason would throw the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► pictures away and garbageman [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► I don't understand they moved pretty [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► fast but somehow they're also visually [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► sorting garbage probably a lot like [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► crows I mean just just in the sense that [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► they have a very experienced has given [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► them giving them a very attenuated I [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► toward a variety of kinds of things that [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► they might want to know about in the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► tracking mhm i believe that too and i [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► think i would love to be a garbage man [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► for that reason but i think it only [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► really becomes meaningful if you've been [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► a garbageman for 20 years is canceled so [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► so according to nick this guy carried [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► his collection in the garbage [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► and he had multiple photo albums just [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► full of bees [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► I think you told me about this am and I [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► and I feel like because I have a I have [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► another friend who collects Polaroid's [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► that were taken in in prisons in the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► seventies and his collection of prison [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► Polaroid's is really beautiful and he [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► says that online there are people who [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► are like also collecting polarizer [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► prison life in the seventies and that he [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► often gets into bidding wars with these [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► people and losses to have an original [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► copy [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► well that's the thing it's a pole right [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► right this is the direct connection to [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the event and so i'm guessing that the [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► community of people who are interested [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► in a giant collection of like homemade [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► because the Polaroids not a very good [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► picture particularly a Polaroid taken in [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► a house at night in the country every [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► Polaroid is very intimate right and and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► so it's it would be it would be it's [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► very intimate it's on unusual all these [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► pictures are from Tacoma that would be [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► there lot of probably through threads a [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► lot of a lot of red garter belts I mean [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► I don't know exactly what all was in [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► this but it was a collection is very [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► proud of it made me think a lot about [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► garbage men and what they're doing Nick [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► armor set a great thing to do on a hot [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► summer day is to fill the top of your [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► garbage can with ice and put a six-pack [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► of beer of good beer in a little ice [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► like a little ice nest inside the the [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► garbage can so when the guy lifts the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► lid off here's this little icy beer [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► moment in their day and then that's the [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► consumer that's left that for the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► garbage person [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► yeah as a token it's like leaving some [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► some beads and shiny glass for the crows [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► ok [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► and so one day on the hot summer day I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► was out monkeying around my yard and I [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► remember this conversation and again i [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► was up early and so I was like a good [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► idea and I had some beer in my house [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► that someone had left Iran and I got [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► some ice made a little ice nest in top [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► of my garbage can and put a six-pack of [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► beer in there and I was so I was so [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► proud of this little beer gift and so [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► naturally when I heard the garbage cans [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► rattling and beeping in my neighborhood [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► I ran and hid behind a bush like you [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► like Santa a little bit like Santa I'm [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► like Heidi Heidi Santa and I'm hiding in [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► a bush and i'm waiting in the end of the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► garbage trucks are going by and rattling [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► beeping and it was very frustrating [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► because I was like come on you guys they [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► had to do their thing all around my [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► neighborhood finally the garbage truck [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► comes and the eye lifts the lid off the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► can it and he stops and looks at the at [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► the ice nest and the beer and then he [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► carefully takes the six-pack of beer [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► puts it on the ground [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► empty the garbage can put the garbage [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► can back and then they drive off and the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► beers left sitting on the sidewalk if he [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► thought was a test [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► no I think he just didn't want me beer [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► or i but but I thought about this a lot [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► is he not allowed to take the beer sure [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► is there are he and his partner in [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► recovery it did he consider this our the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Mormons did he consider this to be a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► like some kind of it an insult maybe he [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► did think it was a test it seems like if [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you're going to test a garbage man you [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► wouldn't go to the trouble of making a [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► nice nest [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► maybe the maybe garbageman culture into [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► coma is really lacks and fun and [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► partying and garbageman Seattle are very [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► serious [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► so like I didn't know but I had I had [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► done this thing and it had been it had [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► been rejected that you know it had been [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► kicked back out [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► because it feels it feels like a like a [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► gesture [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► maybe they misinterpreted it i cannot [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► know and I can't know without having [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► gone as a city councilman and got a full [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► report from the entire thats really [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► washing over me at this point John [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► there's so many reasons to be [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► disappointed or frustrated that your run [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► didn't go the way we want it but I'm [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► just thinking I mean like in Florida we [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► had Governor Bob Graham who was famous [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► for always going out and it was a [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► regular thing he did as governor where [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► he would go out and work for being a [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► part of a day at all different kinds of [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► jobs that that seems like that would [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► have been right up your alley [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► oh yeah absolutely I would have done [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► ride-alongs with everybody yeah the [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► linemen and the sewer people and so I [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► you know kind of the soul totally walked [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► out me look flopped out into the yard [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► and picked up my unwanted beer and took [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it back and put it in my pantry because [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► i don't want to either come out that's [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► the other thing maybe they just didn't [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► like to contact a sure all right who [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► know you just no way for now I'll never [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► know now [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► but anyway this one day the very early [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► on in my house i'm standing out there a [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► garbage truck comes around i'm basically [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► standing there waiting in a suit with a [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► bouquet of flowers [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► the guy pulls up gets out a recognizes [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that I'm there to talk to him because [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► i'm standing next to a mountain of 30 [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► garbage banks and he says where we got [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► here and I said well I have 30 garbage [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► bags and I wanted to talk to you about [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► him and he looked at him and he looked [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► at me and he said yeah give me twenty [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► bucks [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► whoa i was like really [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► he said 40 bucks and I said sold i don't [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► know i don't want to keep talking this [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► yeah and I took 40 bucks out of my [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► wallet I gave it to him and the two of [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► us through 30 garbage bags in the back [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► of his truck shook hands and off he went [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► win-win everybody wins he's 40 bucks the [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► garbage [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► goes away it was gonna end up in the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► same place anyway [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► yep and and I didn't pee dollars a bag [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► or whatever the city asked for [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► so there is enough autonomy there's [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► enough like opportunity for somebody to [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► to make a little you know to what their [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► beacon little sure [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► while the garbage all goes down the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► stream so i learned a lot that day but [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► but a and I don't think it was the same [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► if he if he jumped out of the truck on [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► on beer next day I would recognize the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► guy because he's seared into my memory [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► as one of the people I'm most grateful [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► to see how course and grateful for it [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► wasn't that it wasn't that guy was a [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► different person that didn't want my [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► beer my arm my late grandparents didn't [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► travel a lot [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► they mainly got traveled to buy us but [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► on the occasions that my grandfather the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► rare occasions my grandfather and my [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► grandmother would stay in a hotel motel [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► my grandfather had a system to he [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► thought was pretty bulletproof and as [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► did include putting the TV remote in a [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► plastic bag now this before remotes but [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► you know that i can think about it he [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► went down he would very mindful II put a [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► quarter on the floor in in plain sight [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► IC and if that quarter was gone he knew [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► that place is crooked stones corner that [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► was his like you know quarter in the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► coal mine [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► uh-huh this is kind of like in my [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► experience putting a walkie-talkie in [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► the middle of Florida that's right it's [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► an invitation to adventure but i think [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► we all we all have little systems like [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that but when something like that [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► happens on that spy stuff like you you [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► know you can put like a piece of paper [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► you know in the door and if it's on the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► floor you know somebody's open this [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► thing is all that kind of like spy stuff [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► you're reading books but like I'm not [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► sure if that's such an efficient method [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► for determining determining the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► trustworthiness of a larger but I'm sure [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► it's not yeah because they might mean [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► just might not see it but on the other [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► hand this this could be something like [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► the sting this could be a long con but [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► when he would come back to his room [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► after going to the beach or or or Bob [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► naps or what-have-you if that quarter [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► was on the counter in clear sight i [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► think that made him really happy i bet [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► it did [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► yeah or if somebody had picked it up [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► from where it was and put it put it [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► somewhere else the place of prominence [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► like eyes on your court that that's what [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► I'm saying that's what I'm saying that [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► was that was a good sign for him i'm [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► sure i've told you about the [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► hundred-dollar bill under the American [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► hundred-dollar bill under the tablecloth [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► in Cuba story i don't remember if you [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► did have another friend who was a [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► journalist with things like you put [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► money in the kids bible and remember [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► read your Bible every day [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► no it was one of those things where the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Cuban Secret Service the Cuban spits [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► knots would put a hundred-dollar bill [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► under the tablecloth of someone's home [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► on American hundred and so in the course [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► of them cleaning their house they would [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► find this American hundred inexplicably [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► in the middle of their home and they [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► knew not to take it because it was a it [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► was a test it was a sign of hundred [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► dollar and a lot of money [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► yeah in Cuba 20 years ago it was a [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► life-changing amount of money at least [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► briefly but it was just like we are you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► know we're in your home and not only are [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► we in your home but fuck you [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► oh my gosh like we can prick and we're [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► in your home and we are so in your home [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► that we can leave this here and know [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► that you won't touch it you know that [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► you can touch it and see available [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► yeah you would put your tablecloth back [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► down and walk around knowing that there [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► was this enormous amount of money under [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the table cloth and you would just leave [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► it there until it was then gone most [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► complicated but now they're in your head [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► a little bit [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► oh yeah he had a plan according to [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► according to you know legend the Cuban [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Secret Service of all the secret [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► services they did [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► little bit less of the you know standing [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► out in gorky park with a with the small [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► like file folder that they're going to [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► not a file folder but you know they're [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► not they weren't human Secret Service [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► wasn't rolling up a microfiche and [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► sticking it in cigarette filters they [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► were mostly a they were an internal they [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► were doing most of their work within [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► Cuba and they were really inside [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► people's heads you know it sounds a [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► little bit more like I mean I know the [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► Stasi had their very technical things [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that they did but that sounds like one [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► of those you know in in sort of a on [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► totalitarian regime especially if you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► don't have the the money you want people [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► to be policing themselves and you spend [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► a little bit to put the fear into them [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► and then you don't have to do it [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► yourself [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► right right well and this friend now i [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► dont i I've started to worry because i [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► don't i don't want i never wanted to be [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► a one of those middle-aged people that [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► was repeating themselves all the time [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► and ever since I started saying that you [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► said that yeah yeah yeah yeah ever since [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► i've started taking my my my bipolar [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► medicine [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► it has been reported to me that my [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► memory has suffered a little bit no [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► kidding [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► yeah but I don't remember it being that [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► way before well it certainly wasn't i [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► had a mind like a steel trap ensure and [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► pretty sure I mean we did need it but [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► couple hundred programs where I repeated [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► a couple of stories that generally i had [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► a sense of what weather story been told [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► well you're you're co-hosting with the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► wrong seller ya there [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► I mean cuz I i do find your story is [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► very interesting and and I'm like it i [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► will often say to you I tried to qu as [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► we say in the business if it is an [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► anecdote that I remember very clearly [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► but you know you don't listen to the [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► show so you know how would you know but [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► i but but lately i have felt like there [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► have been a couple of instances where we [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► talk merrily about a thing and then the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► response on the internet was I've heard [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that story before and then [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► of course are our cabin marm yep says [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► well that appeared in episode 18 episode [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► 940 you know like a little bit of [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► feeling like oh gee I told that story [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► and feels good I think we should [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► probably assume everybody's heard every [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► episode yeah I might let my favorites of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► those are when someone says you know [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► john told that story before and then and [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► then when he told the story again [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► Merlin said exactly the same thing after [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► which honestly does not surprise me at [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► all well and I'm proud of the fact that [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► in most cases no one says that story was [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► a lot different the second time [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► well that's see that's that's good so [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► least you're still in it something like [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► stage one [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► yeah or or we got a full on David we're [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► like a you the the story changes a lot [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► as it gets a retold well or just told [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► over and over as though as the told as [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► though we've never heard that he was in [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► World War two [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► oh yeah right but uh but you know but [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► part of that is to confirm two people [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► that some of the fantastical stories are [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► actually true then it would be [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► impossible to remember a lie i feel like [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► that needs a little bit that there still [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► are the occasional listeners who think [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► that your stories maybe partly or fully [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► fictional they are just that they're [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► just stories actually that gets on your [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► skin a little bit but always drives me [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► crazy this isn't as this isn't some [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► stress isn't like one of those one of [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► those podcasts where people are talking [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► about supernatural towns [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► hmm this is a this is a like it this is [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► true true stories podcast true tales [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► from the from the Wild West but this [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► this friend who went to Cuba who [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► experienced this story of the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► hundred-dollar bill he was telling that [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► as a prelude to his story which was that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► he was out in the far country and in a [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► group of people and he at their request [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► you know you have any kids yes i do here [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► is a picture of my daughter he pulled a [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► picture of his daughter out of his [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► wallet he started passing it around [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► pictures daughter went around this room [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► and then never came back to him [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► oh and as it was time to leave he said [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► hey who's got that picture and everyone [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► was like I don't have a night I don't [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► happen and it was a finite number of [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► people in the room it wasn't like a big [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► event it was there 15-20 people there is [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► no that's nasty guy was like no [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► seriously it's time for me to go [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► where's my picture and everybody famed [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► you know complete ignorance we don't [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► know I don't know nobody nobody was the [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► last person to have seen the photo and [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► you know in his escorts who he presumed [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► were also secret agents or something [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like time to go time to go and so he was [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► hustled into his van and taken off and [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► never you know in the picture was gone [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and he was you know he was hurt and [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► insulted because everybody had been so [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► friendly and a little vulnerable and [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► that's that weird well six months later [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► he's back in america and in his [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► apartment one day the photograph appears [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► i'll come on [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► he tells the story as though that's it a [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► lot of work that God's honest truth [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it does seem like a lot of work it seems [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► like a lot of work to do to accomplish a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► very inscrutable goal or you know like [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► obviously what they're saying is don't [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► fuck with the Cubans but he's not he's [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► back in seattle he's not fucking with [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► the Cubans they may be saying don't you [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► know be careful what you publish be [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► careful what you say about Cuba whoa [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► journalists got it but you know super [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► spooky spooky action at a distance yeah [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► literally and that you know when he told [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that story it was it was a little [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► chillin and I still you know he was [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► pretty trustworthy source and claim that [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► this you know absolutely what [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► would that was the one picture he would [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► remember it it there's no way it could [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► have could have appeared by accident or [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► happenstance it was that same picture [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► you know finger grubby with multiple [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► fingers yeah and it's not like it's like [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► the garbage men who are keeping a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► Polaroid album like somebody had to get [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that put it into a file folder with that [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► guy's name and be able to call it up at [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► a point later on I mean that that's [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► that's an information that's a that's a [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► knowledge management issue also mean [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► that there's a lot going on there a lot [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► of moving parts that had to be able to [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► somewhere with his name on it and i [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► think one of the other messages was all [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the people in the room who were like oh [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► shows the picture of your daughter [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► they were all normal citizens they [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► weren't spies they were just normal [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► people but someone in advance of his [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► trip there had gone around and said he's [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► going to be here and and you know what [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► we expect or something mean there was it [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► was it was a casual enough exchange that [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► it it made it feel like someone was [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► improvising and it was oh you know here [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► comes the picture I'm going to grab this [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► picture and everyone in the room is [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► going to deny any knowledge of it right [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► it's just very deep and very dark a lot [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► of confidence expressed their confidence [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► that there that control is total train [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► so you know that's that's really [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► something that's that is a kind of of [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► like psychological control over the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► environment to kind of gas lighting that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► I really inspired by now i know i was [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► thinking the same thing if you really [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► want to if you really want to mess with [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► somebody here here's the thing this is [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► where falls apart for me like you might [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► have the wiring for this but I don't is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► I'm thinking about these stories you're [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► describing you know things have come out [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► over the years about like the odd things [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► that on one hand the odd sort of [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► missions successful or abortive that you [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► hear about and just that the tangle of [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► like seemingly complex methods that are [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► used to do something that seems very [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► very strange and then cover up the fact [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► that it happened because they're always [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► saying it's you know you want to cover [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► up the mission but that was that term [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► there's you can also protect your [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► methods and lightning obviously you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► don't want people to know if you've got [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a double agent someone with that's the [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► term but you don't know if there's [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► somebody on the inside doing that but I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► it just seems like you have to be wired [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► a real weird certain way in order to be [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► able to pull that off in the end to [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► think that it's that's effective as you [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► know what it's going to be an agent of [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► chaos like I understand like if you're [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► in some kind of crazy black ops [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► operation part of your job is to just [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► make castro think he's crazy probably [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► yeah but like you know it seems like if [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► you're expending resources and [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► potentially you know every decision you [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► make you've got to think about what [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► you're risking or potentially [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► sacrificing and it you know the trying [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► to avoid talking about the Republican [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► candidate here but like unless you're [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► really sure what it is that your [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► particular gambit is in service of you [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► know like what why would you risk it [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► right guys you know if you're if you're [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► running the Cuban Secret Service or what [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► are the Cuban whatever the conversion [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the CIA is like I guess he just got a [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► long leash [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► I can't imagine well because it it begs [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► the question it does Cuba have a secret [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► office of agents in seattle washington [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► if so why and if not did they fly an [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► agent here to perform this weird [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► like we've we are watching you wear in [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► your apartment mission or was there a [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► Cuban secret agent who was in seattle [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► for other business and they gave him [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► this thing they said oh and by the way [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► on friday afternoon when you're done [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► with your other secret business run by [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► this guy's house break-in and put that [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► picture there just because we've got it [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► back here at the Home Office we're still [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► fucking with him like how I did that how [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► do you pick that day [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► yeah how did it how did it of all the [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► things to do [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► how did that make it to the top of [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► anyone's pile and i see i see where they [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► could conceivably be it you know have [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that because it's clearly a threat right [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► there I can see where they would feel [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► like they needed to make that threat [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► right it's and it's a little bit of it's [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► a little bit about the Ceausescu apples [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► in the pine trees where within a within [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► a totalitarian closed circle he they [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► become detest so detached from reality [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► that completely insignificant things [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► like that take on added importance to [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► them because they don't you know and i [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► think at the time Cuba was still close [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► to Americans large now and so my friend [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► was one of the few American journalists [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► who added who were in Cuba in an [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► authorized way and maybe they had the [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► mental bandwidth to do this kind of [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► thing to the 50 American journalist that [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► had come to Cuba that year you know [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► maybe it was a manageable number and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► they felt like if you get the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► opportunity to to put a hundred-dollar [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► bill or their table cloth at some point [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► just to let them know that that Cuba is [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► watching its it with it because within [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► totalitarian like thought loops who [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► knows who knows what they have the [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► bandwidth for it maybe it maybe a jobs [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► program I know like a wpa for spying [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► yeah right i mean like in China [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► there are army people everywhere they're [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► directing traffic there standing around [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► in front of buildings they're opening [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► doors for people there that you know [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► they're out changing tires on the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► highway there's army everywhere when you [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► think about it the people's the People's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► Republic has the largest army in the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► world and what are those people doing [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► all day you know they can't just be on [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► maneuvers right and so it is a jobs [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► program the they just there's a a they [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► have a million-man army and nine hundred [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► thousand of them are out directing [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► traffic so a form or more right i mean [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► they are they're just sort of their [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► omnipresent and but they're also doing [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► stuff that needs that needs getting done [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and maybe that's true the the the the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► Cuban Secret Service maybe they're [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► actually out like like sneaking around [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► turning off people's drippy water [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► faucets and stuff changing burned-out [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► light bulbs and stairwells are [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► determined one time it is a self-help [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► book about this called that is called [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► paranoia and it's about the idea of this [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► notional idea of something that's the [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► opposite of paranoia so paranoia is the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► idea that forces are out to get you to [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► cause usually bad things for you and [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► paranoia is this kind of you admit the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► sort of hippie idea like what if the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► world is conspiring to make your life [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► great and that's it i'm saying it would [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► be kind of fun you know if you have the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► resources to do something more like that [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► yeah it will be nice to have like a [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► secret government agency that just did [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► nice things for you maybe they put a [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► nickel in here in your parking meter or [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► something like that you know any maybe [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► maybe they trim your hedge and anyway [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that would be very and maybe in a way [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► you hadn't even thought of a way they'll [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► be very complimentary you know just ways [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that could improve your life that you [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► come get me some Roman and the and some [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► kind of like CIA edward scissorhands had [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► created a topiary dinosaur in your front [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► yard [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► so absolutely that would also [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► communicate to you that they that the [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► government had amazing powers and that [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► they were watching you at all times [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► yeah like a mean if you're going to be [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► creepy about it why not make it a nice [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► for people is oh so you are you know you [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► got a kid with the dairy allergy you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► arrive home and in the oven there's a [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► there's a nice a dairy-free like a tuna [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► casserole but it didn't use any dairy [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► you know something like that where they [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► could use the information they have [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► about you and like in a nice way [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► well and I imagine we have more that [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► what's so hard about that right what [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► would if you had a smoke detector that [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► had been beeping for a year and a half [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► but it was way way up like up in a [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► vaulted ceiling you didn't have a ladder [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► and you couldn't get there and you [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► couldn't even remember why you thought [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► it was a good idea to play smoke [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► detector there and it had driven you all [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► crazy and then one day you came home and [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► it wasn't beeping anymore but you looked [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► up and saw the light on and you realized [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► someone had changed the batteries it had [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► to be somebody [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► it had to be somebody would be inside [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► your head you would be like what is what [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► is going on what is reality [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► oh gosh but it was also very nice [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► gestures never have a proactive positive [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► gaslighting yeah yeah I mean that again [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► seems to fall under the rubric of Elon [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► Musk [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► haha he knows Elon Musk in this he's got [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► a lot of projects [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► mhm I had a guy i was at a cocktail [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► party last night [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► Elon Musk came up ok I said yeah you on [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► muskets kind of a he's kind of amused [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► for me I I think about him as-as-as it [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► as a sort of the idea of the the the [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► Platonic idea of the of the modern tech [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► billionaire and oh and went around the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► room and everybody in that cocktail [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► party agreed that Elon Musk was doing [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► two amazing things and then one of the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► people at the cocktail party expressed a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► contribution which was that he was [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► sinister figure and that there was this [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► Elon Musk worship happening in the in [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► endless the the person saying this was a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► was a Sanford [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► scope person ok something's kind of [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► insider little bit inside or just being [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► in san francisco in the tech world [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► they're feeling a little bit inside [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► they've been to a cocktail party with [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► the Elon Musk was there have you [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► yeah and and it then then everybody in [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► the room kind of had to defend their [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► admiration for elon musk a little bit [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► you know to say like oh no wait and only [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► takes one [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah wait a minute will you know [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► this is what i was saying and it you [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► know and then it was my turn and I said [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► you know I'm not saying Ilan himself but [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► yeah right the Platonic idea like our [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► ideal like there are so many [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► billionaires who are not building their [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► own vaguely sinister space exploration [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► programs who are not planning to build a [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► hyper space train that goes from LA to [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► San Francisco but those billionaires are [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► boring [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► why are those billionaires not doing [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that if I were a billionaire I would be [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► doing some crazy shit like that and of [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► course would look sinister yeah i mean [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► if i were a billionaire and I was hiring [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► a secret army to go around and change [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► everybody's the batteries and everyone [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► smoke detector people would say what the [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► fuck is this guy doing alright I think [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► you would do solar probably solar right [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► keep changing this will be a solar smoke [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► detector but you know I got off of the [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► airplane a couple of days ago and I [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► turned my uber app on and every time I [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► do I'm like I hate this company but you [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► know but also they do a much better job [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► than anyone else [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► yeah every time I think I'm gonna [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► protest super and I call a yellow cab [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► I have an experience that sends me [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► screaming back to burr and I know that [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► there i know that we have a small [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► contingent of London taxi drivers that [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► listen to our program that thang [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► conditions that is yeah that anytime I [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► talk about talk disparaging [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► disparagingly about about the hack [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► community [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► yeah he is this the the London taxi [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► drivers union of podcast listeners [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► responds very aggressively and to say [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► uber is a bad i think that's [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► understandable [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► it is but one cab drivers are [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► professional killed [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► that are how that are a an utterly [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► different class of people that have to [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► pass rigorous exams and they have a lot [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► of institutional pride that is not true [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► of yellow cab drivers in seattle in LA [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► right so I pull out my uber app i'm [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► walking to the airport in the good clip [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► here and and then the the app reports to [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► mean with a pop-up screen we would like [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► access to your location [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► prior to us picking you up and after us [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► picking you up [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► we would like we would like unlimited [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► access to your location at our [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► discretion so right now we're claiming [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that we're going to we're going to look [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► at your location up to five minutes [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► after we drop you off to see where [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► you're actually going so we know whether [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► we're doing a good enough job of getting [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you there or not [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► huh but that's that's at our discretion [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► because what we're really asking for is [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► permanent where we want you to go into [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the app and give us permanent location [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► option known and then they say you know [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► click yes or no or or a click yes or not [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► now I guess something like that that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► suggests that this is optional for you [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► and so I was of course was like no not [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► now let's give me the most no answer [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► that I give and I study of that and [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► still be able to get arrived right [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► that's anything that you got your you [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► have something to do you have stopped [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► because I'm I'm like you're already [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► you're already biting into my time of my [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► normal plan to have the driver waiting [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► for me when I walk out the door and so [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► then the app says oh ok if you don't [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► want to let us use our location services [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► which we've never had to do before we [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► now require that you manually type in [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► the address of your destination [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► we're no longer going to give you the [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► functionality of the the way the app [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► used to store where you regularly when [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► obviously their hands are tied [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► yeah their hands are tied and now you [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► need to take out a quill pen [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► and write down the address where you're [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► going and send it you know send a [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► scented letter by the bike carrier hawk [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► and I'm like I'm like listen I'm two [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► minutes from the door now you've taken [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► seven minutes of my precious time with [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► this war shit and and it's because you [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► are because here another one of these [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► tech companies that's decided that all [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► information should belong to you that [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► that's your the mean in fact maybe the [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► whole idea of Hooper has been a ruse [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► just to eventually get us all into a [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► position where you can collect our [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► locations constantly be be a apprised of [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► our location is a very interesting idea [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► you sons of bitches now and so now what [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► is I mean what if I mean you know the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► uber of five years ago you wouldn't [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► assume they'd say okay this is obviously [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► a replacement for taxis that's what this [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► mm but they do a lot of stuff that makes [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► you wonder what they're really up to and [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► it might seem like they're not sure it [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► seems like they have some idea what [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► they're trying to do is we don't we [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► don't know what that is [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► yeah it seems like unlike a lot of [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► companies who hire lawyers to make sure [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► that the company is in compliance with [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► the law [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► some of these tech companies hire [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► lawyers with the full knowledge that [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► they intend to break the law and that [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► their lawyers are trying to help them [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► break the law in the most efficient way [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► possible knowing that they're going to [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► be sued you know covering their tracks [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► like the lawyers are in service of not [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► of like protecting the law or the [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► consumer but what of protecting the [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► company i mean i guess that's been true [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► oil company lawyers and tobacco lawyers [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► but but there's something a little bit [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► different about like we'd like [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► continuous access to your location and [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► it suggests that there's a minority [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► report future where uber is selling that [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► information so that when you walk [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► through a mall the billboards can [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► address you by name [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► yeah but in ad but anyway so then I'm [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► now I've stopped right I'm no longer [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► moving through the area networks was [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► totally disrupted right I had to stop [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► how to put on the brakes dig my heels in [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► he be now I'm standing there thinking [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► about what I'm gonna do for your back [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► and enjoy your back into a cold second [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► display them i am trying to figure out [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► am I going to submit to this indignity [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► in order to use this thing that i have [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► found to be more functional than other [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► systems or am I going to make a Pyrrhic [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► stand a mi Sisyphus here am I the one [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► that is going to insist on a body pat [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► down going through TSA rather than go [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► through there a particle accelerator and [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► I'm like okay / you know i do that thing [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► that we all do one another [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► he'll attaches itself is yeah okay over [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► and i go and i turn on my location [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► services and then everything the app is [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► happy everybody's back to normal [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► okay great and then all of a sudden it [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► doesn't recognize but the credit [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► information that i put in so now I'm [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► stopped again what to go through this [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► thing basically just to restart the app [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► and then attract then it remembers my [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► credit card ok so a little bit of a [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► hundred-dollar bill under the tablecloth [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► thing where it said you know remember [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► when you initially click know what we're [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► going to forget your credit card for a [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► couple of minutes that'll teach you [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► right little bit of that [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► mhm and so it's like so by then by the [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► time the app actually remembers your [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► credit card and works i'm fucking [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► grateful I'm like thank you / app don't [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► leave me stranded here and then they're [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► like and the driver will be there in 16 [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► minutes the longest I've ever the 16 [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► minutes at LAX [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► well interesting right just a double [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► little like kicking the creek in the [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► drawers [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► uh-huh and then final indignity driver [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► arrives first time in many many years [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► getting a car from from LAX driver [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► didn't speak English at all he was [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► Armenian or something and I asked him a [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► question and he gave me an unanswered [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► that was not an answer to the question i [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► asked [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► not even in the ballpark and then I [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► realized he didn't that was it was he [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► answered the question that way because [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► those were the English words in you [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► accept this is my proa is not on your [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► no no I'm feeling like they are you know [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► at that point when i click no I i got [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► shunted over onto the couch in the good [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► fraternity and animal house [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► yeah and they were like let's send you [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► know send him the sent him the the [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► Armenian driver and send and and forget [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► his credit card for a minute so I when [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► i'm in the car and I'm fuming as you do [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► and I said what would happen if I now [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► i'm in the car [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► what happen if I turned my location [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► services off ya okay what are they gonna [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► do about winning idea i'm already in the [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► car [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► yeah you already gave me the Armenian [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► driver yep and so I did and we put it [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► along on their way to my eventual [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► location and then as I neared the [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► location i was watching his screen and [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► notice the screen was not being [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► continually updated and he was and the [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► blue line at directing him just [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► continued off into space and he was [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► going to keep driving and because he [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► didn't speak English [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► it was [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► it was [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► I wasn't able to express all the nuances [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► of this situation suggesting that they [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► were using the location on your phone to [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► guide his GPS our cheese and so as we [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► got nearer to my location I said pull [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► over right here you can just drop me off [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► right here and I've tried this with uber [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► drivers in the past and they're like no [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► sir [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► one guy said I have too much pride in my [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► job to just drop you off near your [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► location [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► you should have taken that into account [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► is I insist sir that I take you directly [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► to your house [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► yeah and at the time I was like uh this [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► is a tremendous inconvenience because if [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► you drop me off here i can jump over [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► this fence cut through this alleyway and [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► be where i'm headed in three minutes [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► especially once you're in traffic [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► somewhere like you're getting dropped [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► off at a hotel in a busy town and you're [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► like you to left turns from where you [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► need to be it's faster to just walk and [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► this was the thing he was like I gotta [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► go up here around the block around the [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► other block and then it's gonna go over [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► here but he's like I insist [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► and at the time I thought this is just [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► some some guy that's got the wrong idea [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► of where to put his pride in his job but [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► now i'm understanding maybe uber was [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► saying take people as close to the door [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► of where they're going to you can [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► because it's all part of the system [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► yeah because we want to know this is [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that it's about the data it's not about [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► the not about the right we're not trying [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► to earn money here we're losing money on [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► the ride [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► oh brother we just wanted we just want [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► to get inside your bed [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► we just want to put a hundred-dollar [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► bill into your table arm and so I'd so I [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► ice yelled at this guy pullover stop [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► right here and at from for once in this [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► experience the language Gulf was work to [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► my advantage because he just didn't want [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► to have to parse anything more [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► complicated than that and it was like [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► okay right here okay and pulled over and [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► Johnson angry yelling Yeti in their car [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► no not at all particularly one where [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► where the location services on his boner [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► turned off who knows where it's called [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► who knows what kind of Secrets by I [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► and so off you drove and now i'm i am [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► i'm gonna be calling an uber today I [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► don't know i'm going to turn those [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► location services on immediately before [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► calling of the app is the appt gonna [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► remember we're gonna remember [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► interesting i wanna hear how this goes [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► going to punish me I don't know either [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► so I mean to whatever degree we can game [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► the system still to whatever degree [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► gaming the system is still like optional [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► built-in option i think we all should [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► not just with you but with everything we [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► should be constantly turning on and [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► turning off our location services only [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► as needed [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► we should be deleting cookies to see [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► your you become your kind of an advocate [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► well now i'm starting now I'm starting [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► to be a little bit of a like a internet [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► paranoiac mhm little bit of a put the [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► put the remote control in the plastic [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► bag type [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► yes where you know I don't know where [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► that remote controls been and i'm going [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► to assume it's been in the worst [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► possible place I don't know what I don't [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► know why instagram needs my my location [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► but i'm going to presume that they don't [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► yeah it's the you get the fear a little [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► bit [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► well you know in my case like i don't i [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► don't feel as fear as much as I just [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► feel like fuck you because all these [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► companies are trying to profit from [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► gathering this information but whoever [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► they the uber CEO is I just don't like [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► him [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► I I already know I don't like it because [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► he's not he's not he doesn't have a [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► space program [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► oh you know what I'm saying yes yes yes [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► if this if the uber CEO was worth a shit [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► I would know about him already because [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► you he would be making solar powered [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► airplanes this episode of Roderick on [TS]

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