21: Looper, with Rian Johnson and Adam Lisagor
00:00:00
◼
►
my favorite sentence i saw written about
00:00:01
◼
►
it was Anthony lanes review in The New
00:00:03
◼
►
Yorker and just what does the sentence
00:00:05
◼
►
that got me it just said what happens if
00:00:06
◼
►
you hit you in the face and take off
00:00:09
◼
►
would be pissed if it doesn't then gave
00:00:14
◼
►
it and yeah I can't really landed
00:00:15
◼
►
punches really tried so i guess i'd be
00:00:18
◼
►
ok i am here and what we call it
00:00:23
◼
►
sandwich studios sure what ya never
00:00:25
◼
►
grabbed never come up with a name for it
00:00:27
◼
►
well I'm diagonally studios that looks
00:00:30
◼
►
to the ring to it here in beautiful Los
00:00:32
◼
►
Angeles California it is a twenty-fourth
00:00:35
◼
►
of october and I've got two very special
00:00:37
◼
►
guests with me i have ryan Johnson
00:00:40
◼
►
writer and director of looper smash-hit
00:00:44
◼
►
time-travel sci-fi movie and friend of
00:00:49
◼
►
the show a longtime friend of the show
00:00:50
◼
►
Adamle score i will i should point out i
00:00:53
◼
►
think also upfront is that I've warned
00:00:55
◼
►
all of you on previous episodes that you
00:00:57
◼
►
were too obscene looper by now
00:00:59
◼
►
the show will be very spoiler riffic you
00:01:02
◼
►
should keep it up on your ipod to listen
00:01:04
◼
►
to later if if you haven't seen the
00:01:06
◼
►
movie and shame on you for not having
00:01:08
◼
►
seen that are who has an ipod anymore
00:01:10
◼
►
well iphone i don't know i have an ipod
00:01:13
◼
►
do you really yeah because I like to
00:01:14
◼
►
have my whole music collection the
00:01:16
◼
►
classic is the only one that's got that
00:01:17
◼
►
much capacity so boom
00:01:20
◼
►
ok I didn't alright I will do what you
00:01:24
◼
►
gotta say you can say that again saying
00:01:27
◼
►
I have nothing to say except iCloud well
00:01:30
◼
►
but that's really we don't need nobody
00:01:32
◼
►
don't my client has a 25,000 song
00:01:35
◼
►
limited for someone with the music
00:01:37
◼
►
collection as studly as mine that
00:01:39
◼
►
actually presents a problem you do love
00:01:40
◼
►
music and this is something i wanted to
00:01:42
◼
►
actually ask about as well in relation
00:01:44
◼
►
to the so it's been a it's been how long
00:01:49
◼
►
now since the movie came out spend like
00:01:51
◼
►
3-4 weeks now and you've done you you've
00:01:55
◼
►
done quite a number of interviews and
00:01:57
◼
►
press for it and you and I've tried to
00:02:01
◼
►
absorb all of it i mean we
00:02:03
◼
►
its weak just because I wanted to not
00:02:06
◼
►
talk about stuff that you've talked
00:02:08
◼
►
about as impossible there that's the
00:02:10
◼
►
thing there's only so many things you
00:02:12
◼
►
can ask about
00:02:12
◼
►
the movie you know it's true but button
00:02:15
◼
►
there are a million facets of the
00:02:17
◼
►
process of making the movie i think i'm
00:02:19
◼
►
alright do you like talking about hello
00:02:21
◼
►
i would I gather you do because I
00:02:22
◼
►
listened to your commentary and and I
00:02:27
◼
►
can get a sense for what you like
00:02:28
◼
►
talking about because you didn't have
00:02:29
◼
►
anybody prompting you just had your
00:02:31
◼
►
movie to respond to feel so naked before
00:02:34
◼
►
you but I'm excited about this to be
00:02:37
◼
►
fair we are naked right and you think
00:02:39
◼
►
that is one of the event requisite in
00:02:42
◼
►
which students that's kind of where it
00:02:44
◼
►
gets its name music it's like I know
00:02:46
◼
►
what that means but yeah yeah um well
00:02:51
◼
►
that's a good place to start that was
00:02:52
◼
►
one of the things that you've done and I
00:02:53
◼
►
I i don't know if it is unprecedented I
00:02:56
◼
►
don't know if you've stolen the idea
00:02:58
◼
►
from somebody else but you have issued a
00:03:00
◼
►
what would you call it a commentary
00:03:02
◼
►
track you know standalone and the
00:03:04
◼
►
intention is the movie is obviously it's
00:03:06
◼
►
still in theaters it's not out it's not
00:03:07
◼
►
for the DVD it's not for the blu-ray
00:03:09
◼
►
intentions you loaded up on your ipod
00:03:12
◼
►
Adam get in the theater for the second
00:03:16
◼
►
time you watch the movie you sit there
00:03:18
◼
►
with your headphones on and you've got
00:03:19
◼
►
writer-director ryan Johnson talking to
00:03:22
◼
►
you throughout the movie like you're
00:03:23
◼
►
watching a DVD with the commentary it's
00:03:26
◼
►
pretty it's pretty so pretty great and I
00:03:29
◼
►
listened to it without without the movie
00:03:31
◼
►
like I thanks man
00:03:33
◼
►
does anyone know i mean like as i slide
00:03:34
◼
►
business this is a battle ok this is I
00:03:39
◼
►
have to explain myself I I i went back
00:03:42
◼
►
and saw the movie a second time
00:03:44
◼
►
okay um and I wanted to take notes
00:03:46
◼
►
during it so I didn't want to sources of
00:03:47
◼
►
information competing gadget and then I
00:03:51
◼
►
went home after I watched the movie and
00:03:53
◼
►
I put the commentary on by itself
00:03:55
◼
►
without the movie and a challenge it
00:03:58
◼
►
challenged me to do something I didn't
00:04:00
◼
►
expect that would be doing which is
00:04:01
◼
►
trying to recreate the movie in my head
00:04:03
◼
►
right through it right which with a
00:04:06
◼
►
visually strong movie like this is
00:04:09
◼
►
easier to do because it's not
00:04:12
◼
►
wall-to-wall dialogue and long takes and
00:04:14
◼
►
everything it's a lot of really
00:04:16
◼
►
well-composed stuff which is what angry
00:04:18
◼
►
which is what you do know
00:04:20
◼
►
so what I want to get back to the
00:04:26
◼
►
commentary stuff as well but i wanted to
00:04:29
◼
►
first I want to start out by
00:04:31
◼
►
congratulating you on something I i
00:04:34
◼
►
thought was even more impressive by then
00:04:36
◼
►
the in theater commentary which is that
00:04:39
◼
►
on opening night of the movie
00:04:43
◼
►
yeah you did you did something that was
00:04:46
◼
►
a lie i found so impressive and it was
00:04:49
◼
►
that in la here we we have a we have a
00:04:52
◼
►
theater a movie theater that's the best
00:04:55
◼
►
theater in town is called the arclight
00:04:56
◼
►
scott stadium seating you can reserve
00:04:58
◼
►
your seat and everything and always go
00:05:00
◼
►
for a row j johnson yeah yeah and the
00:05:06
◼
►
ushers are they all wear these kind of
00:05:10
◼
►
embarrassing purple banded collar short
00:05:13
◼
►
sleeve button-down share what you know
00:05:15
◼
►
button button up shirts and I've always
00:05:18
◼
►
wanted to like find one of these shirts
00:05:21
◼
►
to be a halloween i now have one in my
00:05:23
◼
►
ok but i would love to borrow thank you
00:05:27
◼
►
for offering and so what you did is you
00:05:29
◼
►
you without you know giving up the gag
00:05:34
◼
►
you posed oh and these officers
00:05:36
◼
►
introduce the movie every single
00:05:38
◼
►
screening of a movie they got in front
00:05:40
◼
►
of the audience to say thank you for
00:05:41
◼
►
coming to the arclight you're going to
00:05:43
◼
►
be watching such-and-such movie please
00:05:45
◼
►
silence your cell phones & Ryan did this
00:05:47
◼
►
in front of an expecting audience and
00:05:50
◼
►
one of your friends videotape yeah video
00:05:52
◼
►
and it was amazing it was a pretty
00:05:55
◼
►
impressive and I don't know how many
00:05:56
◼
►
people knew that it was you then and
00:05:59
◼
►
there now that's one of the nice things
00:06:00
◼
►
nobody knows what directors look like so
00:06:02
◼
►
right here there are a couple people
00:06:03
◼
►
snickering bed yeah well it was such a
00:06:06
◼
►
lie i feel like it was just it's a
00:06:08
◼
►
perfect emblem of yours that the spirit
00:06:10
◼
►
of the love of movies that you have and
00:06:13
◼
►
what you put you put into
00:06:17
◼
►
that experience now you've gone through
00:06:18
◼
►
three times with releasing a feature
00:06:20
◼
►
film is it's always so kind of giving
00:06:23
◼
►
that you want to put everything you have
00:06:25
◼
►
into the audience's enjoyment of movie
00:06:27
◼
►
that's that that's what that's what
00:06:30
◼
►
struck me about that my kissing your ass
00:06:32
◼
►
that's a very kind way of putting that
00:06:34
◼
►
and I appreciate that it was a fun thing
00:06:36
◼
►
for me to do that so that's a very kind
00:06:37
◼
►
of flattering way of putting it
00:06:39
◼
►
another thing that the ushers do as they
00:06:41
◼
►
were in tag ya around their neck with on
00:06:43
◼
►
a lanyard that says therefore the name
00:06:45
◼
►
of their favorite movie
00:06:46
◼
►
yeah you know I borrowed one from
00:06:48
◼
►
somebody i forget what his favorite
00:06:49
◼
►
movie was it was not my favorite thing
00:06:52
◼
►
so maybe I Terminator 3 and maybe the
00:06:56
◼
►
rise of the machines you go
00:06:58
◼
►
yeah so that was fun
00:07:02
◼
►
um I learned a lot about stuff that I
00:07:07
◼
►
the the technical stuff behind the
00:07:10
◼
►
process of making the movie from your
00:07:12
◼
►
commentary just like things like the I
00:07:17
◼
►
mean you talked a bit about your choice
00:07:19
◼
►
in lens flare and and your lens choice
00:07:21
◼
►
and shooting a more anamorphic format
00:07:23
◼
►
and everything
00:07:24
◼
►
yeah here's a question why why do
00:07:30
◼
►
anamorphic lens flares work for you and
00:07:33
◼
►
what do you mean like why is that
00:07:35
◼
►
exactly what do you think it says about
00:07:36
◼
►
about the frame
00:07:39
◼
►
well if you get that purple blues yeah a
00:07:42
◼
►
little streak
00:07:43
◼
►
well I mean it's really distinct to
00:07:44
◼
►
anamorphic lenses it's it's something
00:07:46
◼
►
it's something that doesn't look like
00:07:48
◼
►
anything else and I like it when it
00:07:51
◼
►
feels organic and the frame usually when
00:07:54
◼
►
when there is a light source in the shot
00:07:58
◼
►
that you can see that it's actually
00:08:01
◼
►
so when there's a there's a lot of the
00:08:02
◼
►
instances in the movie there's like a
00:08:04
◼
►
helicopter with the you know the light
00:08:07
◼
►
coming right in the camera or there's a
00:08:09
◼
►
scene between Joe and Paul Danos
00:08:11
◼
►
character where they're in the kitchen
00:08:12
◼
►
and the whole thing is designed to be
00:08:15
◼
►
lit by this refrigerator that's open and
00:08:18
◼
►
the bear refrigerator bulb in there and
00:08:20
◼
►
there's a really distinct Flair that's
00:08:21
◼
►
coming off of that in one shot it
00:08:23
◼
►
crosses processes eyes
00:08:25
◼
►
yeah we lined it up just right so that
00:08:26
◼
►
you could kind of so because the whole
00:08:29
◼
►
thing is he's
00:08:30
◼
►
always spilling his guts out and Jose
00:08:32
◼
►
kind of sitting and you're trying to
00:08:33
◼
►
read what how Joe's reacting to what
00:08:36
◼
►
she's gonna do and was going to do and
00:08:37
◼
►
the idea of like a mask across his eyes
00:08:40
◼
►
but I yeah yeah I know for me it i think
00:08:43
◼
►
it looks cool
00:08:43
◼
►
first and foremost I think it it also
00:08:46
◼
►
has a very comforting sort of reminds me
00:08:50
◼
►
of early Spielberg movies and you know
00:08:53
◼
►
close encounters an ET and there's
00:08:56
◼
►
something about it that just feels like
00:08:59
◼
►
a movie to me it's interesting that it's
00:09:03
◼
►
become something that people are are
00:09:05
◼
►
familiar with you know from I know JJ
00:09:07
◼
►
Abrams uses it quite a bit but a just a
00:09:10
◼
►
little just a little bit yeah
00:09:12
◼
►
is it i'm curious is it something that
00:09:14
◼
►
you you talking in the commentary as
00:09:16
◼
►
well about a couple of effects shots
00:09:18
◼
►
that you actually used fake lens flare
00:09:22
◼
►
and well sounds or artifacts well it
00:09:24
◼
►
would know what we did was for the
00:09:27
◼
►
helicopters which were cg helicopters
00:09:31
◼
►
and they I i had had a bad experience
00:09:35
◼
►
with CG helicopters on the brothers
00:09:37
◼
►
bloom we had a full daylight shot where
00:09:40
◼
►
helicopters had to go through and we had
00:09:42
◼
►
to create that we can't afford real
00:09:44
◼
►
helicopters we had to create cartoon
00:09:45
◼
►
helicopters and to me they always are
00:09:47
◼
►
how hard we worked on them they always
00:09:49
◼
►
look like cartoon helicopters so I've
00:09:51
◼
►
been very frustrated I knew there were a
00:09:52
◼
►
lot of flying vehicles and this one our
00:09:55
◼
►
advantage was they were all gonna be at
00:09:56
◼
►
night and I had remember it's i had seen
00:09:59
◼
►
the extras on the blade runner like
00:10:02
◼
►
boxset where they showed the development
00:10:05
◼
►
of the flying cars and they showed a
00:10:06
◼
►
pass of the the effects pass before they
00:10:09
◼
►
added in those really distinct of flares
00:10:11
◼
►
those lights are coming off the cars and
00:10:14
◼
►
they looked terrible it look like what
00:10:16
◼
►
it was an optical comp but then when
00:10:18
◼
►
they put those flaring lights on
00:10:20
◼
►
suddenly forgave all the ills and it
00:10:23
◼
►
looked awesome and so that's what we did
00:10:25
◼
►
with these and so those r cg but and
00:10:30
◼
►
then there were a couple instances where
00:10:32
◼
►
we had to we shot something that had
00:10:35
◼
►
lens flare but then we had to like pay
00:10:37
◼
►
down the wire or something across the
00:10:39
◼
►
lens there and then the
00:10:40
◼
►
effects guys have to repaint the lens
00:10:41
◼
►
flare but you're trying and I you I
00:10:43
◼
►
think the trick is you try and keep it
00:10:45
◼
►
I gotta work sucks i used to work in
00:10:47
◼
►
effects and I did invented backlit ones
00:10:50
◼
►
there's no it's not fun
00:10:52
◼
►
I'm so what what i was going maybe get
00:10:56
◼
►
at was well okay so you wouldn't had
00:10:59
◼
►
lens flares necessarily that weren't
00:11:03
◼
►
organic which is a good thing
00:11:04
◼
►
yeah um OH speed is another thing I
00:11:08
◼
►
noticed about what helps sell the like
00:11:11
◼
►
the cg vehicles or the like the blade
00:11:13
◼
►
runner type optically comped flying cars
00:11:16
◼
►
is that sound design that that you add
00:11:19
◼
►
that makes it all the sudden a real
00:11:21
◼
►
object rather which you can you used
00:11:25
◼
►
great automotive sound design quite
00:11:28
◼
►
literally in this movie
00:11:29
◼
►
yeah like even in the trailer early on i
00:11:32
◼
►
think there was a the first trailer i
00:11:35
◼
►
saw which is more of a teaser had some
00:11:38
◼
►
you know future car stuff that you just
00:11:41
◼
►
sounded unlike any any automotive sound
00:11:44
◼
►
design weekend we had a great sound
00:11:47
◼
►
designer Jeremy person who had worked
00:11:50
◼
►
actually we found him because we first
00:11:54
◼
►
talked to skip leave say who works with
00:11:57
◼
►
the Coen brothers and who that's kind of
00:11:59
◼
►
and he's kind of like a and I kind of
00:12:03
◼
►
worship that guy his the his work in the
00:12:07
◼
►
Cohens movies was kind of the first time
00:12:09
◼
►
I started really paying attention to how
00:12:11
◼
►
sound was used as a storytelling device
00:12:14
◼
►
integral to the film and so I we found
00:12:20
◼
►
Jeremy through skip and Jeremy had
00:12:22
◼
►
worked a lot with skip and and jeremy is
00:12:25
◼
►
a tremendous sound designer and he I
00:12:28
◼
►
think what he did was he took his cue
00:12:30
◼
►
from the visuals he took you know and
00:12:32
◼
►
from kind of the feel of the whole world
00:12:34
◼
►
we're creating which was a very grounded
00:12:37
◼
►
feel so you hear a lot of or you know a
00:12:41
◼
►
lot of mechanical kind of worrying and
00:12:43
◼
►
kind of you know stuff that sounds like
00:12:47
◼
►
it's coming from a real engine is as
00:12:48
◼
►
opposed to space-age but I think that's
00:12:50
◼
►
because the visual visually all the
00:12:52
◼
►
stuff in our movie looks like real
00:12:54
◼
►
engines and so he was just yeah those
00:12:56
◼
►
kilobyte to me has a sort of millennium
00:12:58
◼
►
falcon starting up its yeah well that's
00:13:01
◼
►
what I mean the first Star Wars was kind
00:13:03
◼
►
of you know that was that was a big
00:13:04
◼
►
touchstone in terms of I still think in
00:13:06
◼
►
terms of sci-fi movies that's when you
00:13:08
◼
►
know it's kind of that one of the most
00:13:11
◼
►
convincing world that's that's ever been
00:13:13
◼
►
created i think because everything feels
00:13:15
◼
►
so lived in and so mechanical and so I
00:13:18
◼
►
think they I'm either they either they
00:13:20
◼
►
reused it or I'm I've lived last 30
00:13:24
◼
►
years of my life and alive but at that
00:13:26
◼
►
my kid net that Millennium Falcon
00:13:28
◼
►
mechanical starting value was reused in
00:13:31
◼
►
Raiders for the airplane that jock trial
00:13:34
◼
►
that's funny jumps in the river if they
00:13:36
◼
►
didn't we use it then it's I always
00:13:38
◼
►
thought it was an in-joke because it
00:13:39
◼
►
sounds almost identical but it says how
00:13:41
◼
►
mechanical the Millennium Falcon was a
00:13:42
◼
►
spaceship that you could reuse the sound
00:13:44
◼
►
for a 1937 prop plane right well it's
00:13:48
◼
►
funny to I remember it at in film school
00:13:51
◼
►
at USC doing they showed like a
00:13:54
◼
►
breakdown of the of sound effects in the
00:13:57
◼
►
sequence where he was escaping from with
00:13:59
◼
►
the idol in the very beginning right
00:14:01
◼
►
that's the one where they reuse that
00:14:03
◼
►
Falcon sign when he starts the plane
00:14:04
◼
►
yeah when they and they talked about how
00:14:06
◼
►
when that the boulder was rolling down
00:14:08
◼
►
they close Mike the wheels of their VW
00:14:12
◼
►
van on the gravel driveway and just got
00:14:16
◼
►
the mic right up close to it and that
00:14:18
◼
►
create that were kind of rolling stone
00:14:20
◼
►
against own type type field or when Indy
00:14:24
◼
►
is holding onto the pit and the doors
00:14:26
◼
►
closing he starts to like it
00:14:28
◼
►
the divine kind of starts tearing loose
00:14:31
◼
►
you know that's that you can hear the
00:14:34
◼
►
bite of an apple in there to hear that
00:14:36
◼
►
camp as it's coming loose and so yeah
00:14:40
◼
►
yeah it'sit's um but the sounds I mean
00:14:43
◼
►
that you know besides just the sound
00:14:44
◼
►
effects for the the sound design is a
00:14:47
◼
►
really integral part of the story
00:14:49
◼
►
telling and um so many the musical and
00:14:53
◼
►
i'm just going to shift over to this
00:14:55
◼
►
stain get on chance to shift somebody uh
00:14:59
◼
►
you're going to see I'm going to
00:15:00
◼
►
cleverly tie it back into the sound
00:15:01
◼
►
design and wait so many of there are so
00:15:05
◼
►
many mechanical elements in the music in
00:15:07
◼
►
the in the score that your composure
00:15:11
◼
►
need your cousin correct Nathan uses in
00:15:14
◼
►
the score does doesn't go the other way
00:15:18
◼
►
are there any musical elements that are
00:15:19
◼
►
used in the sound design um not really
00:15:22
◼
►
because they're kind of working and more
00:15:26
◼
►
or less working separately and there's
00:15:27
◼
►
sun because of the way Nathan works we
00:15:29
◼
►
actually ended up getting oftentimes in
00:15:32
◼
►
the mix to the point where we would have
00:15:34
◼
►
to choose between one or the other
00:15:36
◼
►
because the music and the sound design
00:15:37
◼
►
work and doing the same thing and so so
00:15:41
◼
►
no there there there yet but you know
00:15:44
◼
►
their stuff in the sound design that's
00:15:45
◼
►
very musical like there's a kind of
00:15:49
◼
►
tonal beds that Jeremy will lay and that
00:15:51
◼
►
will just be like the ambient sound in a
00:15:53
◼
►
room but they'll have they'll be
00:15:55
◼
►
performing the same function as music
00:15:57
◼
►
we're locally grown we have they been
00:15:59
◼
►
laying down a drone that gives like a
00:16:00
◼
►
feeling of uneasiness or attention or
00:16:02
◼
►
you know but also there's like a lot of
00:16:05
◼
►
percussive missing your editing style
00:16:07
◼
►
and yeah it feels like over and over
00:16:08
◼
►
across the three movies you see these
00:16:12
◼
►
moments of impact that are just expertly
00:16:14
◼
►
achieved with cutting and sound
00:16:17
◼
►
I mean the bet the probably the best
00:16:22
◼
►
example in this movie is just the
00:16:23
◼
►
blender but the you know the blunderbuss
00:16:25
◼
►
going off the first time you see it it's
00:16:28
◼
►
so impactful and it's and it's paired
00:16:30
◼
►
with that just that frame of a cut when
00:16:34
◼
►
the figure appears and then yeah yeah
00:16:38
◼
►
do musical background oh no not really i
00:16:41
◼
►
died tool around on a couple instruments
00:16:44
◼
►
but i'm not really but my favorite
00:16:47
◼
►
editing is all you know the same way
00:16:50
◼
►
that was talking about sound design with
00:16:52
◼
►
the Cohens for me you know Scorsese is
00:16:54
◼
►
is where it begins and ends in terms of
00:16:56
◼
►
everything if you watch is ending its
00:16:58
◼
►
it's all musical it's not you know it's
00:17:02
◼
►
not continuity it's nights it's just
00:17:04
◼
►
purely purely jazz and based on rhythm
00:17:07
◼
►
and kind of you know it's got it's got
00:17:10
◼
►
its own kind of music to it so so that's
00:17:14
◼
►
I don't know that but the the places
00:17:17
◼
►
that I really kind of learned anything
00:17:19
◼
►
from watching that very integral to like
00:17:22
◼
►
you're heading with where a musical
00:17:23
◼
►
instrument you'd be good at
00:17:25
◼
►
oh yeah that's right now we also i
00:17:27
◼
►
should say we have a very talented very
00:17:29
◼
►
talented editor them that worked with
00:17:31
◼
►
Bob you say it was a rigid just you know
00:17:34
◼
►
we ended up getting along really really
00:17:37
◼
►
well just having a good working
00:17:39
◼
►
relationship with the first time work
00:17:40
◼
►
yeah first time working with him yeah
00:17:41
◼
►
Adam you said you were talking to you i
00:17:44
◼
►
love the adjective percussive for the
00:17:46
◼
►
sound design and one that really stuck
00:17:48
◼
►
out to me that really just got me so
00:17:50
◼
►
unnerved was Sarah chopping the wood
00:17:53
◼
►
mm and the sound of the acts hitting the
00:17:58
◼
►
ah and percussive exactly was just over
00:18:01
◼
►
and over and over again and I was so
00:18:02
◼
►
when you listen carefully you can hear
00:18:05
◼
►
some apple crumb yeah but i would
00:18:08
◼
►
someone interrupted the diamond and
00:18:09
◼
►
they're racking and then there's this
00:18:11
◼
►
horrible horrible violent acts hitting
00:18:15
◼
►
the wood over and over again a it makes
00:18:18
◼
►
you wince and it's that something Jeremy
00:18:20
◼
►
Delta at first I thought as a too big
00:18:23
◼
►
but then I realize now that actually
00:18:25
◼
►
especially for dialogue scene like that
00:18:27
◼
►
that's kind of just backstory that she's
00:18:29
◼
►
telling it's a really nice kind of
00:18:30
◼
►
violent way of keeping you on your teeth
00:18:33
◼
►
on edge during it and she really busted
00:18:35
◼
►
herself up doing this she did actually
00:18:37
◼
►
she is it's hard this swing an ax and
00:18:39
◼
►
we'd after a bunch of takes of that her
00:18:41
◼
►
shoulder was was actually really messed
00:18:44
◼
►
and for the rest of the shoot she
00:18:46
◼
►
actually had a really hard time holding
00:18:48
◼
►
stuff like anytime she had to hold a gun
00:18:51
◼
►
with that arm
00:18:52
◼
►
remember we had like a our prop guy
00:18:55
◼
►
actually holding the end of the gun that
00:18:56
◼
►
was out of frame at one point because
00:18:58
◼
►
she couldn't support person for for long
00:19:01
◼
►
no oh let's see so i guess if we could
00:19:08
◼
►
go back to like the automotive stuff you
00:19:11
◼
►
you had constraints budgetary
00:19:13
◼
►
constraints that led you to you and he
00:19:17
◼
►
talked about this in your commentary a
00:19:19
◼
►
little bit but that led you to go with a
00:19:21
◼
►
certain era of cars for you know that
00:19:26
◼
►
we're just cars in the world in 2044 m24
00:19:29
◼
►
yeah um but you're able to justify it
00:19:35
◼
►
other than budgetary ways talk about
00:19:38
◼
►
yeah well you to you know anytime now I
00:19:41
◼
►
watch a science-fiction movie that it
00:19:43
◼
►
has not a huge budget and the first
00:19:46
◼
►
thing I look at is how did they do the
00:19:48
◼
►
I mean anything that's new that's in the
00:19:50
◼
►
future because that's the expensive
00:19:52
◼
►
thing that you can't get around it's
00:19:54
◼
►
like that's then that's the thing that
00:19:55
◼
►
is guaranteed to change no matter what
00:19:57
◼
►
your take on the future is the cars are
00:19:59
◼
►
going to be different now
00:20:01
◼
►
married 20 years from now than they are
00:20:02
◼
►
now and and there are you know it's
00:20:06
◼
►
always interesting look like if you look
00:20:07
◼
►
at with a get wizard that the one with
00:20:12
◼
►
the show with the even hot Gallic attica
00:20:17
◼
►
attica did the way the approach that
00:20:19
◼
►
they took with the retro but a very
00:20:21
◼
►
specific kind of retro card that you
00:20:22
◼
►
don't see very often it was like all the
00:20:24
◼
►
specifically like these European retro
00:20:27
◼
►
cars therefore into your eye and they
00:20:29
◼
►
like an art deco yeah yeah yeahs says so
00:20:33
◼
►
anyway so you have the the approach we
00:20:36
◼
►
took because we knew we are creating
00:20:37
◼
►
this grounded broken-down society was to
00:20:40
◼
►
say okay well it's like the yank tanks
00:20:42
◼
►
and Q about like people had to make
00:20:44
◼
►
their cars last for 20 30 years and so
00:20:46
◼
►
so yeah we took with that in that way
00:20:49
◼
►
we're able to take cars from now and
00:20:51
◼
►
then just age them way down
00:20:53
◼
►
and make them look like i've had new
00:20:56
◼
►
engines kind of put into them and and it
00:20:59
◼
►
seems like not even just now it was like
00:21:00
◼
►
it was maybe 10 and 15 years ago some of
00:21:03
◼
►
the animals yeah it feels like like the
00:21:06
◼
►
way you talk about gattaca referring to
00:21:08
◼
►
that arrow like the Art Deco era of to
00:21:11
◼
►
take its the production design cues
00:21:13
◼
►
yeah I kind of think that your movie
00:21:15
◼
►
kinda took a lot of cues from the
00:21:17
◼
►
nineteen nineties like for a lot of the
00:21:19
◼
►
the wardrobe choices and you know just
00:21:23
◼
►
like with the hairstyles even and I i
00:21:28
◼
►
like i like the idea as the character
00:21:31
◼
►
edge ft animals character Abe talks
00:21:34
◼
►
about when he's making fun of jo Jung
00:21:36
◼
►
Joos ty yeah his cravat and he calls it
00:21:41
◼
►
a graphic at it you never heard it never
00:21:43
◼
►
mind that i'm going to say it that way
00:21:45
◼
►
from the rabbit
00:21:46
◼
►
um is that that these things are
00:21:49
◼
►
cyclical right and so you kind of have
00:21:51
◼
►
to imagine that this world of 2044 2044
00:21:55
◼
►
yeah has already gone through the whole
00:21:57
◼
►
back to the seventies and eighties and
00:21:59
◼
►
nineties and exactly 40 50 60 all well
00:22:02
◼
►
there's also there's a man you know if
00:22:04
◼
►
he if you know if you were in whatever
00:22:08
◼
►
if you were in the sixties designing a
00:22:11
◼
►
film that was going to be said in the
00:22:12
◼
►
our future of 2012
00:22:15
◼
►
you know if you look at this right here
00:22:17
◼
►
in 2012 you know we were in 2012 and my
00:22:20
◼
►
watches from the fifties you know and
00:22:22
◼
►
and you most of the stuff that were
00:22:24
◼
►
wearing you could have seen on somebody
00:22:26
◼
►
20-30 years ago I think that it's a i
00:22:30
◼
►
don't know i died i wanted to the same
00:22:33
◼
►
way that good period stuff good period
00:22:37
◼
►
design doesn't draw just front like a
00:22:39
◼
►
movie set in 1963 a big mistake is to
00:22:42
◼
►
have everything in the person's bedroom
00:22:44
◼
►
beef circa nineteen sixty-three define
00:22:46
◼
►
stuff from the four days and from the
00:22:48
◼
►
three and stuff that would be handed
00:22:49
◼
►
down and thrift thrift shop stuff so
00:22:52
◼
►
taking that as you approach the future
00:22:55
◼
►
seem to make a lot of sense but one
00:22:56
◼
►
thing I thought to with the choice of
00:22:59
◼
►
and aging them even to is it laid this
00:23:03
◼
►
backdrop of what the economics the
00:23:09
◼
►
economy of the u.s. in money 44 without
00:23:12
◼
►
anybody ever talking about it or
00:23:13
◼
►
mentioning it and it was this palpable
00:23:15
◼
►
sense of methods things have not gone
00:23:18
◼
►
well the next 30 years
00:23:20
◼
►
yeah the the miata is the hottest car
00:23:23
◼
►
yeah and and the only successful people
00:23:26
◼
►
seem to be gangsters red team's in the
00:23:30
◼
►
criminal world
00:23:31
◼
►
yeah there you go my dad drove my dad
00:23:33
◼
►
drove me out and making 90 and it was
00:23:35
◼
►
the most futuristic thing you ever see
00:23:38
◼
►
well I like the idea of it being it's
00:23:39
◼
►
funny though I realized forget if I talk
00:23:41
◼
►
about this in the commentary and talk
00:23:43
◼
►
about macgruber
00:23:44
◼
►
yeah yeah and yeah pretty taxing joke
00:23:47
◼
►
yeah as macGruber where they like you
00:23:49
◼
►
think it's gonna be a hot sports car and
00:23:50
◼
►
they reveal to me odda and I saw that
00:23:52
◼
►
while we were editing for the first time
00:23:54
◼
►
where time but you didn't every mazda
00:23:57
◼
►
miata signage on the car now anyway gate
00:24:01
◼
►
I know it is yeah I don't know if we got
00:24:03
◼
►
clearance because we actually there was
00:24:06
◼
►
a futuristic car that Bruce drove in a
00:24:10
◼
►
sequence that got cut
00:24:12
◼
►
actually that was a this crazy concept
00:24:15
◼
►
mazda so i think we had were working
00:24:18
◼
►
with in 2044 into money 70 whatever yeah
00:24:23
◼
►
yeah yeah so my favorite future car of
00:24:25
◼
►
all time is probably in woody allen's
00:24:28
◼
►
oh yeah if you can tell it's it's
00:24:30
◼
►
plywood held together with strap as well
00:24:32
◼
►
be a Oscar Meyer Weiner yeah let me take
00:24:37
◼
►
one quick let me take a quick break and
00:24:38
◼
►
thank our first sponsor and this is a
00:24:40
◼
►
most unusual sponsor read we've ever
00:24:42
◼
►
done on the talk show i want to want to
00:24:44
◼
►
direct your attention to field notes my
00:24:45
◼
►
favorite brand of notebooks everybody
00:24:48
◼
►
here in the room can vouch I've all my
00:24:50
◼
►
notes for the show are on field notes
00:24:52
◼
►
they have a special edition the
00:24:54
◼
►
Traveling Salesman addition it's an
00:24:55
◼
►
old-fashioned ledger book it looks great
00:24:59
◼
►
that the ink on the cover is copper is
00:25:01
◼
►
they don't want me to say anymore though
00:25:03
◼
►
they want to know about field notes
00:25:05
◼
►
brand.com go there and check it out and
00:25:07
◼
►
at the end of this episode of the show
00:25:09
◼
►
we've got a very special
00:25:11
◼
►
production put together by the field
00:25:14
◼
►
notes people about the history of
00:25:15
◼
►
traveling salesman
00:25:17
◼
►
trust me it's worth listening to it's
00:25:19
◼
►
going to be tacked on at the end of the
00:25:20
◼
►
show about 20 minutes of your attention
00:25:23
◼
►
you're going to love it
00:25:24
◼
►
so when we're done with this episode
00:25:25
◼
►
just stay tuned we're gonna have a
00:25:26
◼
►
little special message from field notes
00:25:28
◼
►
okay can we go back to like just going
00:25:31
◼
►
through period you know cyclical period
00:25:33
◼
►
and culture and anachronism and you are
00:25:38
◼
►
a person who you've either like you
00:25:42
◼
►
you're sort of planted in in a lot of
00:25:44
◼
►
different periods in time 33 your
00:25:46
◼
►
story-telling there's tons of it and
00:25:50
◼
►
brothers bloom obviously in brick all of
00:25:55
◼
►
the style the storytelling and the
00:25:57
◼
►
dialogue and everything it all comes
00:26:00
◼
►
from a period of of story you know
00:26:02
◼
►
storytelling from what the would you say
00:26:05
◼
►
i well it's been a man ham it so its
00:26:08
◼
►
okay 30 do you feel like you're a you
00:26:15
◼
►
ever feel like you and your watches from
00:26:16
◼
►
the fifties do you ever feel like year
00:26:18
◼
►
of a different time and place into you
00:26:20
◼
►
do you I'm not to say an old soul or
00:26:23
◼
►
something stupid like that but do you
00:26:24
◼
►
ever feel like you know I don't know I
00:26:28
◼
►
feel like I feel like I feel like this
00:26:31
◼
►
is the moment that we're in this is the
00:26:33
◼
►
time that we're living and I feel like
00:26:34
◼
►
one of the things that's exciting about
00:26:36
◼
►
right now is especially i don't know i
00:26:41
◼
►
did especially the fact that culture has
00:26:43
◼
►
become so how exactly phrase this I did
00:26:49
◼
►
you know it feels right now like the
00:26:54
◼
►
idea of like everything from the past is
00:26:59
◼
►
up on the surface seriously and
00:27:00
◼
►
instantly accessible and remixes ball
00:27:03
◼
►
and only the best from every period of
00:27:06
◼
►
every culture and absolutely absolutely
00:27:09
◼
►
it's more accessible than ever and so
00:27:10
◼
►
for me that's that's not that that's
00:27:13
◼
►
entirely of this moment you know the
00:27:15
◼
►
fact that we're drawing from all over
00:27:19
◼
►
you know Indian mixing styles and errors
00:27:22
◼
►
completely indiscriminately and now even
00:27:24
◼
►
the gig look at the furniture in this
00:27:25
◼
►
room you know look at that next to that
00:27:27
◼
►
next to that you look at that you know
00:27:30
◼
►
the the design it's kind of just taking
00:27:32
◼
►
whatever works and for me with
00:27:35
◼
►
filmmaking like I think it's the same
00:27:37
◼
►
thing really it's it's all about
00:27:40
◼
►
whatever is going to serve the story
00:27:42
◼
►
best it's all about what's going to get
00:27:44
◼
►
at the heart of what I'm trying to talk
00:27:46
◼
►
about the best and for each of these
00:27:49
◼
►
movies that there's a different reason
00:27:51
◼
►
that they have those kind of
00:27:52
◼
►
anachronistic things and them
00:27:54
◼
►
yeah but it's never because out of a
00:27:57
◼
►
sense of nostalgia for an area or a
00:27:59
◼
►
sense of what pining for an era it's
00:28:01
◼
►
always and because that specific thing
00:28:05
◼
►
makes me feel a certain way and so
00:28:07
◼
►
that's that communicates something
00:28:09
◼
►
that's very important to me right now in
00:28:11
◼
►
this moment I look at wes anderson's
00:28:13
◼
►
movies in in that light yeah with the
00:28:15
◼
►
way he just decided you know does
00:28:17
◼
►
production design and chooses artifacts
00:28:20
◼
►
as object yeah so carefully from all
00:28:23
◼
►
throughout time you know through all
00:28:25
◼
►
throughout the 20th century anyway I'm
00:28:27
◼
►
in a movie like tetrault I'm bombs you
00:28:30
◼
►
see ben stiller's character Chaz running
00:28:33
◼
►
his whole his whole investment operation
00:28:37
◼
►
with like you know 19 circa nineteen
00:28:40
◼
►
eighty-three Apple to ya next to you
00:28:43
◼
►
know late nineties cinema display right
00:28:45
◼
►
over this from a text standpoint of your
00:28:47
◼
►
technique or an apple nerd yeah you kind
00:28:49
◼
►
of geek out over that stuff but I i feel
00:28:52
◼
►
like i've heard him talk about that
00:28:53
◼
►
before and he said exactly what you have
00:28:55
◼
►
which is he just responds to the objects
00:28:58
◼
►
that make the most sense
00:28:59
◼
►
exactly about being necessarily you know
00:29:03
◼
►
specific to period
00:29:04
◼
►
yeah because he's creating a modern
00:29:06
◼
►
world like you you know where you are
00:29:08
◼
►
but it's a world where the people in
00:29:10
◼
►
that world have taste and there's an
00:29:13
◼
►
immediacy and that like Moonrise Kingdom
00:29:14
◼
►
which i think is you know masterpiece I
00:29:17
◼
►
think it's absolutely you know
00:29:20
◼
►
my very favorite movies of the year
00:29:22
◼
►
definitely but I you know he i don't
00:29:26
◼
►
know he so many of the stuff in the so
00:29:32
◼
►
many of the individual objects in there
00:29:34
◼
►
could be considered an acronym cystic
00:29:35
◼
►
the whole thing is built to and then
00:29:39
◼
►
with such as and Sarah day that it busts
00:29:42
◼
►
through that wall and takes it so far in
00:29:44
◼
►
that direction that suddenly everything
00:29:46
◼
►
and it is incredibly vital in stand it
00:29:49
◼
►
hits you with an immediacy they're all
00:29:52
◼
►
every object you see is an object that
00:29:53
◼
►
you had as a child yeah and evoke
00:29:55
◼
►
something that just that gets you right
00:29:57
◼
►
there in the moment where you're
00:29:58
◼
►
standing it doesn't smack of nostalgia
00:30:00
◼
►
at all it has a vital necessity to it
00:30:03
◼
►
that uh yeah that's extraordinary
00:30:07
◼
►
yeah those are you know I was gonna say
00:30:08
◼
►
the other I mean I don't know the other
00:30:09
◼
►
interesting thing with them i guess this
00:30:13
◼
►
is kind of a kind of a tangent but uh I
00:30:16
◼
►
don't know essentially i always did I
00:30:18
◼
►
think that there's talking about
00:30:20
◼
►
west/andersen specifically makes me
00:30:23
◼
►
think of the idea of i think that in a
00:30:27
◼
►
lot of cases people tend to think that
00:30:31
◼
►
director premeditate his style the way
00:30:35
◼
►
that you would choose an outfit to put
00:30:38
◼
►
on in the morning and because it's
00:30:41
◼
►
specifically directors have very
00:30:43
◼
►
distinct styles like Tim burden or west
00:30:46
◼
►
anderson it's very easy to look at their
00:30:49
◼
►
movies and think you know or i guess to
00:30:51
◼
►
a lesser degree with what you're saying
00:30:52
◼
►
with the period stuff with the films of
00:30:55
◼
►
it's easy to look at them and think you
00:30:57
◼
►
know why did you make that choice those
00:30:58
◼
►
um obviously made this set of choices in
00:31:01
◼
►
order to and and the truth is I don't
00:31:04
◼
►
know what that like I can only speak for
00:31:06
◼
►
myself I may be very surprised if you
00:31:08
◼
►
talk to Wes Anderson if he wasn't just
00:31:11
◼
►
that it's really the equivalent speaking
00:31:14
◼
►
in your voice you know it's not that
00:31:16
◼
►
it's very little that's premeditated it
00:31:18
◼
►
so it's almost like when you're talking
00:31:19
◼
►
to somebody your natural accent of your
00:31:23
◼
►
voice is not something you're
00:31:24
◼
►
consciously controlling you're just
00:31:26
◼
►
trying to communicate as clearly as
00:31:27
◼
►
possible what's on your mind and you're
00:31:29
◼
►
speaking in a way that's natural to you
00:31:30
◼
►
if it's insulting when somebody's
00:31:32
◼
►
just otherwise because it's almost like
00:31:34
◼
►
if you're speaking your natural voice
00:31:35
◼
►
and they say why are you doing that dumb
00:31:37
◼
►
voice right now we're ahead
00:31:40
◼
►
are you doing a dumb idiot impression
00:31:42
◼
►
else well and also that you can see
00:31:44
◼
►
though how its I know you you can see
00:31:46
◼
►
that it's and if i call it it's
00:31:48
◼
►
insulting someone's being insulting and
00:31:50
◼
►
calling you dumb but it's it's also
00:31:52
◼
►
something is very it's almost counter
00:31:54
◼
►
instinct Schewel to look at the film and
00:31:57
◼
►
and I talked about it and he quit you
00:32:00
◼
►
know it's hard to communicate the degree
00:32:02
◼
►
to which the some feeling of the film is
00:32:05
◼
►
the process of a time that thousand tiny
00:32:08
◼
►
little decisions to the point where
00:32:09
◼
►
there is something very and you weirdly
00:32:14
◼
►
you know the cumulative about it and
00:32:16
◼
►
where lay the the direct product of
00:32:21
◼
►
what's inside that they are solely
00:32:22
◼
►
mystic pros yeah completely as opposed
00:32:25
◼
►
to a determined one in that way
00:32:28
◼
►
yeah um so you're right we could go back
00:32:33
◼
►
to your the you feeling like you're a
00:32:35
◼
►
man of your tub this time in place is
00:32:37
◼
►
really exciting which I had this time
00:32:40
◼
►
and is overall at you what you said was
00:32:44
◼
►
you're a tiny little girl this time in
00:32:45
◼
►
place and this and it's exciting that we
00:32:51
◼
►
can't get to it we have access through
00:32:53
◼
►
to through whatever archival technology
00:32:55
◼
►
or whatever it is we have access to all
00:32:57
◼
►
the best of of of all times and cultures
00:33:00
◼
►
and everything if you were to explain
00:33:02
◼
►
extrapolate that project into the future
00:33:04
◼
►
you're going to be making movies and
00:33:05
◼
►
telling stories for 10 20 30 years
00:33:08
◼
►
bless you sir ok so do you ever think
00:33:13
◼
►
about what its gonna be like to you know
00:33:14
◼
►
what what it was gonna be like to make
00:33:17
◼
►
these kinds of movies or whatever
00:33:18
◼
►
stories were gonna be telling in in the
00:33:20
◼
►
future and you mean adding mean likely i
00:33:24
◼
►
mean like in the way that you feel like
00:33:26
◼
►
we've you like if you could call it like
00:33:28
◼
►
a singularity or something or unity
00:33:29
◼
►
right now and do you think but I like I
00:33:33
◼
►
I kind of like I look at that in a sort
00:33:36
◼
►
of a relative sense and think that maybe
00:33:38
◼
►
all 20 years ago they thought they had
00:33:40
◼
►
reached unit is some sort of a unit and
00:33:42
◼
►
sure they did ya
00:33:43
◼
►
absolutely so I think it's important
00:33:45
◼
►
though to always feel like it you know
00:33:47
◼
►
and I mean I i think that it's no I
00:33:52
◼
►
think it's incredibly important to to
00:33:53
◼
►
feel like the moment you're in is the
00:33:56
◼
►
most exciting moment hologram is in
00:33:58
◼
►
there i think that I'm i hope that in
00:34:01
◼
►
the future all you know will do i'll
00:34:04
◼
►
still feel that way I guess maybe I'm
00:34:05
◼
►
not understanding your question no
00:34:06
◼
►
youyou answer to what degree do you
00:34:09
◼
►
think the tools that he the that you use
00:34:12
◼
►
for that we use you know you and
00:34:14
◼
►
everybody all the thousands of people
00:34:16
◼
►
have helped you make your movies yeah to
00:34:18
◼
►
what do extent do you embrace those
00:34:20
◼
►
tools it and think that they influence
00:34:23
◼
►
how the final product comes oh yeah
00:34:26
◼
►
now there are probably mean it's really
00:34:27
◼
►
to the point where what you create is
00:34:30
◼
►
inseparable from the tools that you use
00:34:33
◼
►
to create at least as a film yeah at
00:34:35
◼
►
least from my perspective as a director
00:34:37
◼
►
but my experience of a film is very
00:34:39
◼
►
different than you know for me for me
00:34:42
◼
►
looper is is either different to take an
00:34:45
◼
►
example of the most recent movie for me
00:34:47
◼
►
you know when I look at looper it's so
00:34:49
◼
►
much of it it's not my experience of it
00:34:52
◼
►
has a very manageable so much to do with
00:34:54
◼
►
my memory of making it and the
00:34:56
◼
►
experience I had with the people around
00:34:57
◼
►
it and that means the camera that we use
00:35:00
◼
►
that means the type of equipment we use
00:35:02
◼
►
the rigs that we use the lights that we
00:35:04
◼
►
just that that all that is baked into
00:35:06
◼
►
that film for me but thats that you know
00:35:09
◼
►
not for the audience obviously so
00:35:11
◼
►
sometimes maybe sometimes even a on an
00:35:14
◼
►
unconscious level
00:35:16
◼
►
yeah maybe yeah I decided about that
00:35:18
◼
►
stuff about how the audience response to
00:35:20
◼
►
technological choices that they never
00:35:22
◼
►
ever going to be thinking about
00:35:23
◼
►
consciously you hope that they do ya
00:35:26
◼
►
there there's a you know
00:35:28
◼
►
yeah you'd idea i guess you hope that
00:35:30
◼
►
they do all you can do is and obviously
00:35:32
◼
►
that's your also choosing your tools
00:35:36
◼
►
based on what feels good for you in
00:35:39
◼
►
terms of how it's going to look at the
00:35:41
◼
►
end product for example from me I that's
00:35:42
◼
►
the reason that shoot on film is that I
00:35:44
◼
►
think it looks you know it looks like a
00:35:46
◼
►
movie to me it looks
00:35:48
◼
►
it looks good it looks it feels the way
00:35:50
◼
►
that I want you know my stuff to feel I
00:35:53
◼
►
guess all you can do is make that for
00:35:55
◼
►
yourself and hope that they're that
00:35:57
◼
►
connection on with Delhi some people in
00:35:59
◼
►
the audience same way and it gives
00:36:01
◼
►
something even for argument's sake of
00:36:04
◼
►
there was absolutely no visual
00:36:05
◼
►
difference between digital and film i'm
00:36:07
◼
►
not saying that's true but again for
00:36:09
◼
►
argument's sake the fact that you are
00:36:11
◼
►
shooting filming and you get a sense
00:36:14
◼
►
internally that there's real you know of
00:36:16
◼
►
film rolling through the camera and
00:36:18
◼
►
probably makes your experience of
00:36:19
◼
►
directing it different in the LA you
00:36:22
◼
►
know it would impact the the final
00:36:24
◼
►
outcome as well yeah yeah i would guess
00:36:26
◼
►
it also looks a lot better where I I
00:36:29
◼
►
don't think I'm ever in co will notice
00:36:31
◼
►
that the way what i did was i was in
00:36:33
◼
►
yeah that I have access to shoot on
00:36:35
◼
►
filter I mean maybe I don't know who
00:36:36
◼
►
have access to it it's not what do i do
00:36:39
◼
►
you say that because like a highway all
00:36:43
◼
►
of the part of the pros and cons of
00:36:44
◼
►
using resources go into the production
00:36:48
◼
►
yeah I don't prioritize that one hot
00:36:51
◼
►
I don't know what I would choose
00:36:52
◼
►
something else the thing that's a
00:36:56
◼
►
personal choice and it's also where
00:36:58
◼
►
you're coming from now I mean you're
00:37:00
◼
►
coming up where you're shooting digital
00:37:03
◼
►
all the way up that
00:37:04
◼
►
yeah that that's true and not that were
00:37:07
◼
►
far separated and age or anything but i
00:37:09
◼
►
probably my experience my early
00:37:12
◼
►
formative experiences of cinema ar-ar-ar
00:37:15
◼
►
maybe a little bit different from from
00:37:17
◼
►
yours and that you like I'm or I'll
00:37:19
◼
►
always kind of personally jealous of
00:37:21
◼
►
people who can feel the quality of
00:37:24
◼
►
celluloid over because i can't really
00:37:27
◼
►
yeah you can't do and you see a film
00:37:29
◼
►
shot digitally really and I'm pretty I'm
00:37:32
◼
►
generally kind of astute about media
00:37:34
◼
►
stuff planned but that's something that
00:37:36
◼
►
I was pretty pretty blind too
00:37:38
◼
►
that's interesting huh maybe I don't
00:37:40
◼
►
know maybe maybe you could teach music
00:37:41
◼
►
now I got nothing that i now need to me
00:37:45
◼
►
it's night and day to me I see a movie
00:37:47
◼
►
shot digital and it can be very well
00:37:48
◼
►
shot and can you know it's it did but I
00:37:51
◼
►
you know I don't know it's very it's
00:37:53
◼
►
very rare very rare except for went well
00:37:56
◼
►
I don't know
00:37:56
◼
►
there although a lot of times stuff the
00:38:00
◼
►
challenge film these days is so baked
00:38:02
◼
►
and treated in the DIA and so messed
00:38:05
◼
►
with it's hard to you know Andy can be
00:38:08
◼
►
hard to decipher sometimes but I don't
00:38:10
◼
►
know anyway I'm the point is not i guess
00:38:14
◼
►
to tip to put down another medium the
00:38:16
◼
►
point is just to say that i like the way
00:38:18
◼
►
the film looks I think it's the best
00:38:19
◼
►
looking thing out there did you want
00:38:21
◼
►
maybe it is something that is
00:38:22
◼
►
specifically tuned into I don't know but
00:38:24
◼
►
I'm not to me i did it makes a
00:38:28
◼
►
did you or did you see that documentary
00:38:30
◼
►
and I haven't seen ya haven't seen it
00:38:32
◼
►
yeah yeah I don't know I I it's tough
00:38:36
◼
►
it's i guess and to some degree i guess
00:38:38
◼
►
i don't know you could you can make the
00:38:40
◼
►
argument that it's like the audiophile
00:38:42
◼
►
talking about mp3's vs AIFS and
00:38:45
◼
►
listening to him and what the difference
00:38:46
◼
►
is a night that's it's like we were
00:38:48
◼
►
talking we be a prominent kick around
00:38:51
◼
►
maybe if we had more time whenever we
00:38:53
◼
►
talk about the master too but that's the
00:38:54
◼
►
explanation that I've seen PT Anderson
00:38:56
◼
►
give was that if I'm gonna shoot film
00:38:58
◼
►
and that's why he shot 65 millimeter was
00:39:00
◼
►
then i might as well go all the way and
00:39:03
◼
►
I really should film shoot the biggest
00:39:06
◼
►
film i can get my hands on right even if
00:39:08
◼
►
the camera is the size of a you know
00:39:10
◼
►
refrigerator
00:39:11
◼
►
yeah film looks like a movie to me
00:39:12
◼
►
digital looks like video to me it just
00:39:14
◼
►
unite and I don't know I know that
00:39:16
◼
►
that's anyone else's experience but now
00:39:17
◼
►
it's mine and so I'm gonna make those
00:39:19
◼
►
choices for my own films and them and
00:39:21
◼
►
kind of Labor discussion
00:39:23
◼
►
yeah it's kind of boring or e-mail or a
00:39:26
◼
►
right up here we just took a panorama
00:39:30
◼
►
picture of you guys actually digitally
00:39:33
◼
►
haven't used that feature who wants oh I
00:39:36
◼
►
was the best of that it is really
00:39:38
◼
►
fantastic that
00:39:43
◼
►
yeah okay awesome so if we were
00:39:46
◼
►
triangulated right now if we each take a
00:39:48
◼
►
panorama we can pretty much get 360 yeah
00:39:51
◼
►
so I going back to the tools you use
00:39:56
◼
►
this is a tech podcast I mean generally
00:39:58
◼
►
speaking they taught you know you talk
00:40:00
◼
►
about other stuff movies but the people
00:40:06
◼
►
largely the people who listen to it are
00:40:07
◼
►
probably fascinated by the tools you
00:40:09
◼
►
know what tools of whatever trade ya so
00:40:13
◼
►
but there's a lot of going back inside
00:40:15
◼
►
the movie there are a lot of there's a
00:40:18
◼
►
lot of tech in inside the movie you know
00:40:20
◼
►
the ending of the movie did you did you
00:40:24
◼
►
spend a lot of how much thought
00:40:27
◼
►
proportionately speaking did you put
00:40:28
◼
►
into like imagining all these that this
00:40:34
◼
►
I know like four for AI or minority
00:40:36
◼
►
report offers Spielberg is something
00:40:38
◼
►
else greatest pianist and that you know
00:40:40
◼
►
came up with every gadget did you do a
00:40:42
◼
►
lot of brainstorming reason no no thats
00:40:44
◼
►
the head on that now III is interesting
00:40:47
◼
►
because i didn't write the movie from
00:40:49
◼
►
like a world building perspective I
00:40:51
◼
►
guess I was just I was mostly just doing
00:40:54
◼
►
everything I could to make the story
00:40:55
◼
►
work and so I wasn't thinking really of
00:40:59
◼
►
how the world was going to look and so
00:41:01
◼
►
so when it came time to actually design
00:41:04
◼
►
the world it was less about digging into
00:41:07
◼
►
what future tech will actually seemed
00:41:10
◼
►
like it was more about you taking that
00:41:13
◼
►
picture got in that it was more about is
00:41:17
◼
►
more just evaluate what will work for
00:41:19
◼
►
the story and and honestly taking a very
00:41:24
◼
►
simplistic approach to the tech and the
00:41:26
◼
►
film also seemed right because I figured
00:41:28
◼
►
there was so much else we are asking the
00:41:30
◼
►
audience to absorb and spend their
00:41:32
◼
►
brainpower figuring out with the time
00:41:34
◼
►
travel and the looper stuff in the TK
00:41:37
◼
►
the last thing we needed was a ton of
00:41:40
◼
►
tech that the audience had to kind of
00:41:42
◼
►
like when sad and say oh what is that
00:41:44
◼
►
the crazy thing doing how does that work
00:41:46
◼
►
even if that's fun for me it just wasn't
00:41:49
◼
►
what the movie was about so you know we
00:41:51
◼
►
got cell phones that kind of fold out
00:41:53
◼
►
and are cool that we have we got
00:41:54
◼
►
hoverbikes it can look like triumph
00:41:56
◼
►
motorcycles and there's not a ton of you
00:41:59
◼
►
know hopefully there's nothing you can't
00:42:02
◼
►
glance at and figure out what it is is a
00:42:04
◼
►
invisible keyboard
00:42:05
◼
►
yeah that actually like the controller
00:42:07
◼
►
because the library the idea that
00:42:09
◼
►
there's a that you're actually
00:42:10
◼
►
manipulating something in 3d space right
00:42:12
◼
►
that that that i did--like i like time
00:42:15
◼
►
like that you know in children of men
00:42:18
◼
►
that game that the kid yeah that's right
00:42:19
◼
►
in there with the yeah and I also
00:42:21
◼
►
thought it stuck out to me that unlike
00:42:23
◼
►
minority report which everybody looks
00:42:25
◼
►
super cool but everybody points out
00:42:26
◼
►
would be physically exhausting because
00:42:28
◼
►
your arms name of your tongue have your
00:42:31
◼
►
time right out of your tom cruise before
00:42:33
◼
►
anybody else your shoulders would fall
00:42:34
◼
►
off and we're present in looper the the
00:42:37
◼
►
touch technology looks like something
00:42:40
◼
►
you could sit there and like I do like
00:42:41
◼
►
work at ten hours a day and an
00:42:43
◼
►
ergonomically safe i like the one that
00:42:45
◼
►
old old Joe's almost called him old
00:42:48
◼
►
Bruce that's not play snap Elena was
00:42:51
◼
►
good that old Joe's wife uses in the
00:42:53
◼
►
display that she kind of vacation / your
00:42:56
◼
►
fingers everybody's turning off yeah he
00:42:58
◼
►
wasn't even glass it was now it's just
00:43:00
◼
►
putting their hand from a storytelling
00:43:01
◼
►
perspective one of the things that I
00:43:03
◼
►
thought was interesting is that a lot of
00:43:04
◼
►
time travel movies it's now like today
00:43:10
◼
►
when the movies being made vs where
00:43:11
◼
►
you're going so back to the future
00:43:13
◼
►
it was nineteen eighty-five in 1955
00:43:16
◼
►
right i'm in looper there is no now the
00:43:21
◼
►
only two years
00:43:22
◼
►
really there's there's a little montage
00:43:23
◼
►
where you go through them but you're
00:43:24
◼
►
talking 24 tease in the 27th ease and
00:43:27
◼
►
and 24 teams are effectively now like
00:43:29
◼
►
and you get into that mindset where now
00:43:32
◼
►
is 2044 right and the tech is a lot more
00:43:36
◼
►
grounded and and you don't spend we
00:43:38
◼
►
don't spend a lot of time in the 27th
00:43:40
◼
►
ease but when we do that's where there's
00:43:42
◼
►
the way more whiz-bang star ever read ya
00:43:46
◼
►
in Shanghai to which is it like its
00:43:48
◼
►
search engine so ya futuristic city and
00:43:51
◼
►
yeah i mean it it i mean it made sense
00:43:54
◼
►
to me to have are you know to have our
00:43:58
◼
►
present-day be near future just because
00:44:00
◼
►
I figured it was either that or we
00:44:01
◼
►
create an alternate present day and
00:44:03
◼
►
that's a little more complicated
00:44:05
◼
►
to me it was just easier to wrap your
00:44:06
◼
►
head around the notion that ok since 30
00:44:08
◼
►
years from now so some things are
00:44:11
◼
►
the big thing being that time travel is
00:44:13
◼
►
used in this way with these guys which
00:44:15
◼
►
it would then pain in the ass if we had
00:44:18
◼
►
done the present day and had to have it
00:44:20
◼
►
be something that was like underground
00:44:21
◼
►
but actually around today like that just
00:44:23
◼
►
where required a lot of machinations
00:44:25
◼
►
that would have taken up screen times
00:44:27
◼
►
now ya made sense
00:44:30
◼
►
um so you've you've you've talked a lot
00:44:36
◼
►
of other interviews about the UH the
00:44:38
◼
►
theory of that the the way that time
00:44:40
◼
►
travel operates and and i found it
00:44:43
◼
►
interesting i was listening I want when
00:44:46
◼
►
I saw the movie again I don't know we
00:44:48
◼
►
know when I listen to your commentary
00:44:50
◼
►
again you said something about how when
00:44:52
◼
►
you're writing that scene between young
00:44:54
◼
►
and old Joe in the diner how Bruce is so
00:44:56
◼
►
dismissive of that whole line of
00:44:58
◼
►
questioning and see Lawrence and is it
00:45:01
◼
►
something you said you know where it is
00:45:06
◼
►
used against me
00:45:07
◼
►
no not at all used against you you said
00:45:09
◼
►
Bruce is more interested in what's
00:45:11
◼
►
happening inside his head than
00:45:12
◼
►
explaining the time-travel stuff
00:45:14
◼
►
yeah I feel a lot like Bruce in that it
00:45:18
◼
►
right now in that I you know I've cut I
00:45:21
◼
►
can't wrap my tiny brain around a lot of
00:45:22
◼
►
the time travel stuff i am confused when
00:45:24
◼
►
when we see the tool alternate realities
00:45:27
◼
►
unfolding in you know yeah um some way
00:45:29
◼
►
more interested in what's happening
00:45:30
◼
►
inside Bruce's head and I'm Way more
00:45:32
◼
►
interested in what's happening in your
00:45:34
◼
►
head like this
00:45:35
◼
►
we've been talking about it and process
00:45:37
◼
►
of making making the movie um someone of
00:45:40
◼
►
that I feel like I'm there's two types
00:45:42
◼
►
of people watching these kind of movies
00:45:43
◼
►
and there's people that are so smart
00:45:46
◼
►
that they get caught up in all those
00:45:47
◼
►
details in the mission them the
00:45:49
◼
►
machinery of the time travel and I'm one
00:45:51
◼
►
of the lucky people that's not smart to
00:45:52
◼
►
get caught up in it so I just let it all
00:45:54
◼
►
fall away and i enjoy the stories are my
00:45:57
◼
►
you built the world you're the architect
00:46:00
◼
►
so you get your kind of both
00:46:02
◼
►
yeah yeah but at the same time that's I
00:46:06
◼
►
don't know they did a dead the
00:46:08
◼
►
you know the mechanics of time travel or
00:46:12
◼
►
something that they're kind of fun after
00:46:13
◼
►
the fact but I'd I don't know man i'm
00:46:17
◼
►
frankly and I guess if it you know that
00:46:20
◼
►
to me that's almost like added it's
00:46:24
◼
►
almost like bonus content if i go see a
00:46:26
◼
►
time travel movie i'm either going to
00:46:28
◼
►
enjoy it or not enjoy it based on
00:46:30
◼
►
whether it was a good story and whether
00:46:32
◼
►
i was into it and whether it took me
00:46:34
◼
►
someplace that I cared about whether it
00:46:37
◼
►
was funny weather was entertaining
00:46:38
◼
►
basically and then and completely
00:46:41
◼
►
secondary level afterwards all then
00:46:43
◼
►
think about and the time travel well
00:46:45
◼
►
this made sense that didn't make sense
00:46:46
◼
►
and i'll try and like pick it apart like
00:46:48
◼
►
that and so I guess that's the level on
00:46:51
◼
►
which it operates from me and they get
00:46:53
◼
►
the time travel
00:46:55
◼
►
what if it's ever a priority between
00:46:57
◼
►
keeping the momentum of the story up and
00:47:00
◼
►
stopping for 20 seconds to explain
00:47:03
◼
►
something so that somebody won't wonder
00:47:05
◼
►
about in the car ride home i'm going to
00:47:07
◼
►
keep the momentum of the story up to me
00:47:08
◼
►
that's just where my where my priorities
00:47:11
◼
►
lies it as it doesn't necessarily tell
00:47:13
◼
►
her you know
00:47:14
◼
►
yeah it probably create some like little
00:47:16
◼
►
bit of tension that propels the move you
00:47:18
◼
►
forward anyway there's enough you know
00:47:20
◼
►
just yeah like the right amount of
00:47:21
◼
►
mystery not too much I hope so and it
00:47:24
◼
►
you know yeah you always hope so and you
00:47:26
◼
►
always odd in the other answers you just
00:47:28
◼
►
you try your best you know you just try
00:47:30
◼
►
your best and yeah I always get right
00:47:32
◼
►
I'm sure there's stuff that I probably
00:47:33
◼
►
should have explained more deeply and
00:47:35
◼
►
the thing and or stuff that I've
00:47:37
◼
►
explained too much but all you can do is
00:47:38
◼
►
kind of trust your instincts and ride
00:47:42
◼
►
that line between keeping things moving
00:47:44
◼
►
and keeping things explained it so good
00:47:47
◼
►
i think it's almost more important to
00:47:49
◼
►
make it feel like it makes sense then
00:47:53
◼
►
let's say it's like it makes absolutely
00:47:55
◼
►
that's all that's important and that was
00:47:57
◼
►
you know watching time travel movies
00:47:59
◼
►
preparing to write this that was a
00:48:01
◼
►
really liberating thing that I realized
00:48:03
◼
►
is your it really is like doing a
00:48:06
◼
►
the magician doing a trick you know
00:48:08
◼
►
you're not creating something that and
00:48:10
◼
►
the other thing is I mean that you have
00:48:11
◼
►
time travel is a time travels is putting
00:48:15
◼
►
in the genre of science fiction
00:48:17
◼
►
the truth is time travel in this works
00:48:21
◼
►
some people to hear this but time travel
00:48:22
◼
►
is not a science for the scientists time
00:48:25
◼
►
travel is a fantasy element time travel
00:48:27
◼
►
is like Harry Potter stuff its magic and
00:48:30
◼
►
unicorns and dragons that you have to
00:48:31
◼
►
treat it storytelling was on that level
00:48:34
◼
►
where you create a little box that it
00:48:36
◼
►
exists in and make sense and inside that
00:48:38
◼
►
little box here and never going to be
00:48:40
◼
►
able to explain it or ground it to an
00:48:43
◼
►
extent to where somebody can actually
00:48:44
◼
►
analyze it with real-world logic and and
00:48:47
◼
►
say yes that was airtight that makes
00:48:50
◼
►
meta koriians in the corner there you go
00:48:53
◼
►
um what I mean you've answered this
00:48:57
◼
►
question hundred thousand times to isn't
00:48:59
◼
►
terms of all the long list of time
00:49:01
◼
►
travel movies that you appreciate or
00:49:04
◼
►
research you know watched his research
00:49:05
◼
►
for writing this
00:49:06
◼
►
yeah um when somebody says to you back
00:49:10
◼
►
to the future as well not you know blah
00:49:12
◼
►
blah blah Terminator blob and future but
00:49:15
◼
►
does that desire to ignite a positive
00:49:18
◼
►
response in you like the yeah this is
00:49:20
◼
►
good that all these reference points
00:49:21
◼
►
came out in the movie or is it is it
00:49:23
◼
►
like what me and I made by only screw
00:49:27
◼
►
you old man idea as tremendously good
00:49:29
◼
►
because they're you know because those
00:49:32
◼
►
are great pieces of people are seeing
00:49:35
◼
►
that in there you know that's that's a
00:49:37
◼
►
huge tremendous compliment you know I
00:49:39
◼
►
supposed to blah blah insert bad time
00:49:42
◼
►
travel movie name here blondes yeah
00:49:45
◼
►
that's that would be bad but you know
00:49:47
◼
►
and I didn't you know did I think that
00:49:49
◼
►
it would because of the story was not
00:49:52
◼
►
about time travel because the story was
00:49:54
◼
►
about the characters dealing with this
00:49:56
◼
►
situation I absolutely was not above
00:49:59
◼
►
using an audience's knowledge of the
00:50:02
◼
►
genre in order to shortcut over as much
00:50:04
◼
►
as I possibly could and and so and so
00:50:09
◼
►
far from it in terms of you know saying
00:50:12
◼
►
i built my own thing I didn't I stood on
00:50:14
◼
►
the night i took anything i could and
00:50:16
◼
►
not only in terms of using them as
00:50:18
◼
►
storytelling things
00:50:19
◼
►
using them as things I knew the audience
00:50:22
◼
►
would be familiar with so that I could
00:50:24
◼
►
you know so that i could shortcut over
00:50:28
◼
►
not having to explain it like like the
00:50:30
◼
►
fingers disappearing you know that's
00:50:32
◼
►
exactly what i was going to jump to in
00:50:33
◼
►
the way that you can pass a message to
00:50:35
◼
►
your future self which is by writing
00:50:37
◼
►
it's scaring them you know taking an ax
00:50:39
◼
►
blade and yeah writing a message into
00:50:42
◼
►
your skin so that the scar shows up on
00:50:43
◼
►
their future self
00:50:45
◼
►
yes the young Joe and I love that you
00:50:47
◼
►
see young Joe with a bloody bandage yeah
00:50:48
◼
►
i got a text message I don't want to add
00:50:51
◼
►
texted there's a gag there to that I i
00:50:54
◼
►
know i said i warned everybody about
00:50:55
◼
►
spoilers but it's too risky angry so
00:50:57
◼
►
deep into it it's too good of a guy who
00:50:59
◼
►
never said that but yeah that you know
00:51:02
◼
►
that's just a really gruesome version of
00:51:04
◼
►
The Back to the Future Polaroid you know
00:51:06
◼
►
and i think that in that's it that's a
00:51:08
◼
►
conceptual thing that we're all just
00:51:10
◼
►
culturally aware of because we grew up
00:51:12
◼
►
watching that movie and that's
00:51:13
◼
►
absolutely the same way that old Joe
00:51:16
◼
►
trying to change things by finding you
00:51:19
◼
►
know this problem and eliminating it
00:51:21
◼
►
instinctively we know that from watching
00:51:22
◼
►
terminator movies growing and that's I
00:51:24
◼
►
wanted to absolutely no use that and I
00:51:27
◼
►
wonder this is like this this is
00:51:29
◼
►
stretching pretty far but a by putting
00:51:34
◼
►
Bruce Willis in your movie is that its
00:51:36
◼
►
own cultural reference point it i mean
00:51:39
◼
►
actually actually it's more like I
00:51:41
◼
►
watched your movie the first time was
00:51:42
◼
►
the first time I saw it and I and I see
00:51:45
◼
►
Bruce and I've seen 12 monkeys and I'm
00:51:47
◼
►
the end without I caught myself thinking
00:51:49
◼
►
is Bruce Willis from the future
00:51:51
◼
►
yeah thank you very well you know I
00:51:52
◼
►
think they've been going to spend time
00:51:55
◼
►
with his very last one yeah and it's
00:51:57
◼
►
very possible
00:51:58
◼
►
oh it is watches from the fifties don't
00:52:01
◼
►
oh is it now Anna um yeah that which is
00:52:08
◼
►
your favorite back to the future
00:52:09
◼
►
yeah let's let's get right down to it
00:52:12
◼
►
you get to brass tacks there's one cause
00:52:14
◼
►
there's only one rational answers to
00:52:16
◼
►
that question
00:52:17
◼
►
god I think I know what you're going to
00:52:18
◼
►
say but it's probably different answer
00:52:19
◼
►
them you're kidding no I don't think I
00:52:22
◼
►
think it's an easy answer
00:52:23
◼
►
ok so it is there is only one out how
00:52:25
◼
►
can you say anything but one are you
00:52:27
◼
►
going are you a to apologist we go over
00:52:29
◼
►
no not that i don't like to i think is a
00:52:31
◼
►
great movie been number 11 remember one
00:52:34
◼
►
thing about ya kisses his mom
00:52:37
◼
►
oh my god yeah well it's also a number
00:52:40
◼
►
one news mom kisses him but either way
00:52:42
◼
►
yeah number one is you know it really it
00:52:46
◼
►
to make a really handfasted dama knology
00:52:48
◼
►
if number one is a you know if number
00:52:54
◼
►
one is a like a great tune like someday
00:52:56
◼
►
my prince will come
00:52:57
◼
►
number two is kind of a riff on that
00:53:01
◼
►
yeah exactly yeah yeah but there's
00:53:03
◼
►
something about and I was just like a
00:53:06
◼
►
perfect movie and it's just perfectly
00:53:08
◼
►
constructed 224 me who I just got so
00:53:11
◼
►
excited by the world that created the
00:53:12
◼
►
the future world that it created in the
00:53:14
◼
►
end that I that made me that almost
00:53:16
◼
►
single-handedly made me want to make
00:53:19
◼
►
movies you know yeah yeah yeah it made
00:53:21
◼
►
my cinematographer steve gadlin's also
00:53:24
◼
►
like my best friends too is when I first
00:53:26
◼
►
met him he was still a senior in high
00:53:28
◼
►
school and he had shot with a new we're
00:53:32
◼
►
going to be friends because he had just
00:53:34
◼
►
with the video camera and his little
00:53:35
◼
►
brother and his friends had shot back to
00:53:38
◼
►
the future to like it recreated just
00:53:40
◼
►
like the kitchen the whole thing yeah
00:53:42
◼
►
the way that those kids do with the
00:53:45
◼
►
Raiders Steve had done somehow it back
00:53:46
◼
►
to the future two and he loves em yeah
00:53:50
◼
►
and if he still doesn't really you're
00:53:51
◼
►
gonna hear is that when you're a kid you
00:53:53
◼
►
recreate any of your favorite
00:53:54
◼
►
yeah i actually have told the story
00:53:57
◼
►
before in some interviews but I I
00:53:59
◼
►
actually almost burned down my parent's
00:54:01
◼
►
garage trying to recreate the DeLorean
00:54:04
◼
►
fire tracks into the future and it was
00:54:08
◼
►
there i was a really stupid notice
00:54:10
◼
►
because I tried to do them by i figured
00:54:13
◼
►
i would soak little strips of toilet
00:54:15
◼
►
paper and gasoline obviously and lay
00:54:17
◼
►
them out behind the car but to soak the
00:54:19
◼
►
strips of paper and gasoline i poured
00:54:21
◼
►
gasoline into a Styrofoam plate and soak
00:54:25
◼
►
them and of course the styrofoam
00:54:26
◼
►
dissolves and basically becomes napalm
00:54:28
◼
►
know and so I let these things up they
00:54:30
◼
►
look great but I stamped on them to put
00:54:32
◼
►
them out and accidentally stepped back
00:54:34
◼
►
into the napalm and that ignited and was
00:54:36
◼
►
stuck to my foot and meanwhile the
00:54:38
◼
►
garage which somehow is filming this
00:54:40
◼
►
inside the garage
00:54:41
◼
►
schwoz was feeling with black smoke and
00:54:43
◼
►
it was it was a big mess that
00:54:46
◼
►
yeah when when childhood love
00:54:48
◼
►
moviemaking combines with our next I
00:54:50
◼
►
wrote techniques and I definitely for a
00:54:53
◼
►
class project I definitely blew up the
00:54:56
◼
►
US embassy in Beirut like to recruit you
00:54:58
◼
►
know to reenact to reenact that
00:55:00
◼
►
disastrous loud yelling a truck full of
00:55:03
◼
►
explosives into a model only crap you
00:55:05
◼
►
were your another level I look down and
00:55:08
◼
►
down so the John and I were talking
00:55:14
◼
►
about this a little bit earlier I how
00:55:19
◼
►
that the looper had this additional
00:55:22
◼
►
element that sort of took it in turn it
00:55:25
◼
►
like added on top of the what you
00:55:27
◼
►
whatever you thought the movie was going
00:55:29
◼
►
to be and that was the TK element right
00:55:31
◼
►
the supernatural and you include that
00:55:36
◼
►
element in a very organic way it doesn't
00:55:38
◼
►
seem supernatural and until it until
00:55:42
◼
►
shit gets real
00:55:43
◼
►
yeah yeah you know and what I kind of
00:55:45
◼
►
think of is like the third level iiia I
00:55:47
◼
►
don't normally think about act in movies
00:55:49
◼
►
in act structure or whatever but I felt
00:55:51
◼
►
two different you know plateaus share
00:55:55
◼
►
like two different kicking it up a notch
00:55:57
◼
►
and rare and the first one was the the
00:55:59
◼
►
montage of Joe got becoming old Joe yeah
00:56:02
◼
►
the second one was the first time that
00:56:05
◼
►
said musician you know and and the sound
00:56:09
◼
►
design that piercing scream there that
00:56:12
◼
►
that supernatural element was very
00:56:14
◼
►
exciting and unexpected and see like
00:56:17
◼
►
what just happened
00:56:20
◼
►
I love how you there's like the extreme
00:56:23
◼
►
telekinetic supernatural element and
00:56:26
◼
►
then like the most base stupid
00:56:28
◼
►
yeah side which is that it's mostly guys
00:56:30
◼
►
floating quarters above their introduced
00:56:32
◼
►
like an hour earlier
00:56:34
◼
►
yeah Phil minutes just there and I and
00:56:37
◼
►
it's there for one reason is it is to
00:56:39
◼
►
pick up chicks
00:56:40
◼
►
it's like they already in the same book
00:56:41
◼
►
and I think of like I played poker and
00:56:44
◼
►
casino is a lot and then like there's
00:56:45
◼
►
two types of poker players there's the
00:56:47
◼
►
kind to learn to like it is with an
00:56:50
◼
►
apples yeah they roll the chips with
00:56:51
◼
►
their knuckles and I played enough that
00:56:54
◼
►
i probably could have learned but i
00:56:55
◼
►
always thought that was a terrible thing
00:56:56
◼
►
to learn because then you sit down and
00:56:58
◼
►
you realize what this guy plays poker at
00:57:00
◼
►
but that's what it seemed like the order
00:57:03
◼
►
thing was with the tk's was that you
00:57:05
◼
►
just did not even thinking about it like
00:57:06
◼
►
the big people who can do it just sit
00:57:08
◼
►
there and an aide rotate a quarter to
00:57:11
◼
►
three inches above their palm and
00:57:12
◼
►
they're not even thinking about it but
00:57:13
◼
►
yeah energy and to try to pick up chicks
00:57:16
◼
►
well there's a somewhat arbitrary and I
00:57:18
◼
►
think rather stupid rule of thumb in
00:57:21
◼
►
screenwriting that you're not supposed
00:57:22
◼
►
to ask the audience to buy one more than
00:57:25
◼
►
one big thing that there's probably a
00:57:27
◼
►
name for there's something but you know
00:57:29
◼
►
I'm just from a screenwriting class
00:57:33
◼
►
point of view it's something that's
00:57:35
◼
►
probably it is something is tricky it's
00:57:37
◼
►
problematic i think that you know i did
00:57:41
◼
►
i'd i tried to it attempted obviously
00:57:43
◼
►
and i think that you know there are
00:57:44
◼
►
people that I've talked to are heard
00:57:46
◼
►
from where they were it didn't work for
00:57:48
◼
►
that reason we're like that's more than
00:57:49
◼
►
one thing you're asking me to buy why
00:57:51
◼
►
was that in there but for me it did was
00:57:53
◼
►
first was really necessary just because
00:57:56
◼
►
I wanted Sid to not just be a
00:57:59
◼
►
theoretical threat
00:58:00
◼
►
I didn't want him to just be someone who
00:58:04
◼
►
could grow up to be evil because he's
00:58:05
◼
►
super smart or something i wanted that
00:58:07
◼
►
threat of the future to be manifest in a
00:58:11
◼
►
very concrete and affecting way in the
00:58:16
◼
►
present so I wanted the danger of the
00:58:19
◼
►
future to be not just something
00:58:21
◼
►
intellectual but something actually
00:58:22
◼
►
right there threatening your life and
00:58:25
◼
►
and that seemed like a way of doing that
00:58:28
◼
►
but it did require you know planting
00:58:31
◼
►
this other big thing in the first act of
00:58:34
◼
►
a movie when we're already setting up
00:58:36
◼
►
this one incredibly big thing and so my
00:58:38
◼
►
pressure was to throw it away said to
00:58:40
◼
►
plant it by at the beginning when your
00:58:42
◼
►
heads wrapped up in the time-travel
00:58:43
◼
►
stuff to just toss this little thing out
00:58:45
◼
►
there and at the end of it when the
00:58:47
◼
►
time-travel stuff is gone away that's
00:58:48
◼
►
when we raise this thing back up that
00:58:51
◼
►
was the approach i took it was very
00:58:54
◼
►
effective effective i want to thank our
00:58:58
◼
►
other sponsor talks unx coffee
00:59:03
◼
►
Adam you're familiar with with the guys
00:59:05
◼
►
at home so yeah we subscribe actually
00:59:07
◼
►
two talks we meaning we get we get a bag
00:59:10
◼
►
of coffee every every one week or two
00:59:14
◼
►
guys we don't have think it's time I am
00:59:18
◼
►
enjoying here at sandwich studios i'm
00:59:20
◼
►
enjoying a delicious cup of Tanks coffee
00:59:22
◼
►
as we speak and it is delicious
00:59:24
◼
►
tonks here's the thing that they do four
00:59:27
◼
►
points they want me to make number one
00:59:28
◼
►
great stock coffee starts with great
00:59:30
◼
►
beans fresh expertly roasted here's the
00:59:33
◼
►
thing they delivered right to your door
00:59:34
◼
►
you don't have to leave they just show
00:59:36
◼
►
up on time I think you get to kind of
00:59:38
◼
►
different schedules you can pick from
00:59:39
◼
►
depending on how much you want yeah I
00:59:41
◼
►
think we're were on every two weeks
00:59:43
◼
►
schedule these guys are fanatics they
00:59:45
◼
►
find the best coffees from top producers
00:59:47
◼
►
across the coffee growing world
00:59:49
◼
►
I mean and this stuff literally comes
00:59:51
◼
►
from all over the place kenya and
00:59:52
◼
►
caribbean I don't know where else but it
00:59:55
◼
►
all animal wall Guatemala France
00:59:55
◼
►
all animal wall Guatemala France
01:00:00
◼
►
it's all over I'm guessing i don't know
01:00:01
◼
►
I their entire company is a hundred
01:00:04
◼
►
percent focused on helping new brew
01:00:06
◼
►
amazing coffee at home so they've got
01:00:08
◼
►
great customer service their website has
01:00:11
◼
►
a tremendous advice on how to make
01:00:13
◼
►
coffee thousands of different ways to
01:00:14
◼
►
make coffee any kind of coffee related
01:00:17
◼
►
question you have whether you're Marco
01:00:20
◼
►
Arment a total coffee nerd whether
01:00:22
◼
►
you've never had coffee in your life
01:00:24
◼
►
they will be happy to help you answer
01:00:25
◼
►
they're great guys here's the here's the
01:00:28
◼
►
last point and this is unbelievable
01:00:30
◼
►
they believe in there being so much
01:00:31
◼
►
they're running a free trial sign-up and
01:00:34
◼
►
taste what all the fuss is about
01:00:36
◼
►
no risk it's free so just go to tonks
01:00:39
◼
►
dot-org do NX dot or g sign up you're
01:00:44
◼
►
not gonna regret it it's it's absolutely
01:00:47
◼
►
delicious coffee and you'd it's really
01:00:49
◼
►
good if you're lazy like me and don't
01:00:50
◼
►
want to leave the house if here's the
01:00:53
◼
►
quote i got the quote from Marco Arment
01:00:54
◼
►
on on coffee friend of the show and and
01:00:57
◼
►
genuine coffee nerd
01:00:58
◼
►
he has a great Universal answer to
01:01:00
◼
►
anyone who asks him how to make great
01:01:02
◼
►
coffee get a burger grinder get an
01:01:04
◼
►
aeropress and subscribe to talks good
01:01:08
◼
►
advice and you took a sip
01:01:14
◼
►
you didn't flip it not in slurpin take
01:01:17
◼
►
to hear the slurping smile delicious
01:01:24
◼
►
here's here's one here's one more thing
01:01:27
◼
►
that I've been wanting to talk to you
01:01:29
◼
►
about since our mutual friend roan and
01:01:32
◼
►
brought it up on Twitter
01:01:33
◼
►
yes and that is he kind of challenge you
01:01:36
◼
►
a little bit and said Ryan you're doing
01:01:38
◼
►
all this generous stuff talking about
01:01:40
◼
►
all these different parts of the movie
01:01:42
◼
►
that in maybe in another time the
01:01:47
◼
►
audience wouldn't have access to the to
01:01:50
◼
►
the author's thoughts right
01:01:53
◼
►
and let's make no mistake it's very
01:01:55
◼
►
generous of you and but being a movie
01:02:00
◼
►
maker of 2012 means you can give that to
01:02:03
◼
►
your audience and um have you like have
01:02:10
◼
►
you thought about metering how much
01:02:13
◼
►
you're giving to the audience very much
01:02:15
◼
►
you know that a lot about it okay to
01:02:19
◼
►
lose him now I don't know I thought a
01:02:22
◼
►
lot about I don't have a shit you know
01:02:24
◼
►
an opinion I I an hour i should say i
01:02:26
◼
►
don't have like a you know conclusion
01:02:29
◼
►
about it something I've given a lot of
01:02:31
◼
►
thought it's hard because I'm you know I
01:02:34
◼
►
am very much out there on Twitter mostly
01:02:36
◼
►
these days and a very president and I
01:02:39
◼
►
try to be like part of the conversation
01:02:41
◼
►
respond to people and that's something
01:02:42
◼
►
that I do just because i enjoy doing it
01:02:45
◼
►
something i was doing before people were
01:02:47
◼
►
even really watching movies I just like
01:02:49
◼
►
you know being part of that big
01:02:52
◼
►
conversation that's going on and it's
01:02:55
◼
►
hard because when people ask you
01:02:58
◼
►
questions about your movie you know you
01:03:01
◼
►
there are several things that happen
01:03:03
◼
►
first of all you don't want to seem like
01:03:05
◼
►
you're being a being kind of like an
01:03:08
◼
►
aloof jerk by saying that sunday so
01:03:10
◼
►
whatever she wants to do you think
01:03:12
◼
►
yeah exactly but there's also something
01:03:15
◼
►
that comes from a worse place than that
01:03:18
◼
►
where you think if i don't answer people
01:03:20
◼
►
are going to think I didn't think about
01:03:22
◼
►
this and I don't have an answer and the
01:03:23
◼
►
truth is I do so I want to you know I
01:03:27
◼
►
want to respond so people know that I
01:03:29
◼
►
you know because because I also when
01:03:32
◼
►
it's when it's phrased in terms of it
01:03:34
◼
►
being a quote-unquote plot hole or I you
01:03:37
◼
►
know even even though we got some really
01:03:40
◼
►
we would King got some really great you
01:03:43
◼
►
know reviews where the week I can't
01:03:45
◼
►
complain at all in terms of the critical
01:03:46
◼
►
response you would occasionally read the
01:03:48
◼
►
review where would you know kind of
01:03:51
◼
►
dismiss the logic as you know you think
01:03:54
◼
►
too closely about this it doesn't make
01:03:55
◼
►
sense but the building
01:03:57
◼
►
and the thing is I thought very closely
01:03:59
◼
►
about it for two years of my life and it
01:04:01
◼
►
all makes sense and it's hard to not do
01:04:04
◼
►
it when somebody engages you in a forum
01:04:07
◼
►
where you can talk where you can reply
01:04:09
◼
►
to it it would require just a Herculean
01:04:12
◼
►
effort not to i think but it's something
01:04:16
◼
►
that I am I don't know it does for the
01:04:20
◼
►
next 1i guess I'mI'm i don't know i can
01:04:23
◼
►
really see the merit and not responding
01:04:25
◼
►
i can really see the meriden doing
01:04:27
◼
►
whatever I would need to do to to kind
01:04:30
◼
►
of disengage a little bit I guess what
01:04:33
◼
►
do I know what do you think I think of
01:04:34
◼
►
it isn't like an editorial choice kind
01:04:37
◼
►
of if you think about the whole world of
01:04:39
◼
►
your movie as as one artifact in to
01:04:42
◼
►
which you're contributing right now
01:04:44
◼
►
ya think if you choose not to answer the
01:04:48
◼
►
questions then you're editing your
01:04:50
◼
►
editing on out of debt of that artifact
01:04:52
◼
►
that artifact separate from looper them
01:04:54
◼
►
the movie that people has a starting to
01:04:57
◼
►
finish and but you can't ignore the
01:05:00
◼
►
right now the artifact takes on a
01:05:03
◼
►
different form being you know having
01:05:05
◼
►
exposure to conversation the artifact
01:05:09
◼
►
being a massive conversation that yeah
01:05:12
◼
►
the national conversation or the
01:05:13
◼
►
artifact being every release of of this
01:05:17
◼
►
the original Star Wars trilogy that ever
01:05:18
◼
►
existed in every piece of packaging and
01:05:20
◼
►
every toy beeping a part of the movie
01:05:22
◼
►
right air and I'll kinda like thinking
01:05:24
◼
►
about it that way to yeah it is it Anna
01:05:27
◼
►
is it and is it is there value in
01:05:33
◼
►
letting it exists on its own label
01:05:36
◼
►
sticker itself and even if that means
01:05:38
◼
►
short-term they're going to be people
01:05:40
◼
►
who you know see it once don't give it
01:05:43
◼
►
much thought and say this damn makes
01:05:45
◼
►
sense because of this or that but maybe
01:05:46
◼
►
they see it on DVD on gian anh brain
01:05:49
◼
►
chip 50-foot 10 years from now and say
01:05:52
◼
►
oh actually this and this yes that's
01:05:54
◼
►
interesting you have been having the
01:05:55
◼
►
patience to let it take root and let it
01:05:58
◼
►
do its own thing rather than trying to
01:06:01
◼
►
immediately patch it yourself is is
01:06:04
◼
►
there are married in an absolutely i
01:06:07
◼
►
think there is i mean i am speaking as
01:06:09
◼
►
somebody who racked it reacts
01:06:10
◼
►
defensively constantly throwing you know
01:06:12
◼
►
it's all things I see merit in in not
01:06:16
◼
►
making decisions based on defensive is
01:06:18
◼
►
and yeah yeah yeah i don't know i'm sure
01:06:20
◼
►
i honestly I'm still figuring I think it
01:06:22
◼
►
at Camp isn't any doubt the time travel
01:06:25
◼
►
movie invite that sort of feedback to a
01:06:28
◼
►
much greater Lenny movie you're going to
01:06:29
◼
►
invite criticism of characters decisions
01:06:32
◼
►
shell and that in the end if the movie
01:06:34
◼
►
and would in a way that you didn't want
01:06:36
◼
►
going to get complaints no day at a time
01:06:38
◼
►
travel movie invites like this whole
01:06:39
◼
►
second level of I don't know
01:06:42
◼
►
fantasy metaphysics yeah yeah yeah its
01:06:46
◼
►
yeah you're you're you're you're
01:06:48
◼
►
operating in that tricky gray area of
01:06:51
◼
►
where science meets fiction and and
01:06:53
◼
►
you're inviting all sorts of yeah
01:06:54
◼
►
there's a gotta be there is a small
01:06:57
◼
►
number of people who have very strong
01:06:58
◼
►
opinions about what would happen if you
01:07:01
◼
►
traveled back in time and get yourself
01:07:02
◼
►
and regardless of those assholes i think
01:07:05
◼
►
permanently generous of you to have been
01:07:09
◼
►
contributing to the conversation
01:07:10
◼
►
including coming and being with us today
01:07:14
◼
►
mmm yeah thank you very much I mean this
01:07:17
◼
►
is a real thrill is that they're done
01:07:21
◼
►
the following podcast is brought to you
01:07:24
◼
►
by field notes brand notebooks in
01:07:26
◼
►
connection with our limited edition
01:07:28
◼
►
made-in-the-usa pocket memo books for
01:07:31
◼
►
fall the Traveling Salesman edition for
01:07:33
◼
►
more information please visit field
01:07:35
◼
►
notes brand.com
01:07:37
◼
►
my philosophy is that because I've been
01:07:43
◼
►
so tied in with traveling sales for so
01:07:46
◼
►
my dad and I might both my sons are
01:07:49
◼
►
traveling salesman i really think that
01:07:52
◼
►
the travelling salesman is probably the
01:07:54
◼
►
inspiration for our country the way it
01:07:57
◼
►
is now because they're industrious
01:07:59
◼
►
people they they work very hard they
01:08:02
◼
►
don't take no for an answer and to me
01:08:05
◼
►
that's that's what we are today in this
01:08:07
◼
►
country and the traveling steals the
01:08:09
◼
►
salesman is still there there in
01:08:11
◼
►
television or on radio there on the
01:08:13
◼
►
internet and they're still there are
01:08:15
◼
►
traveling their ways they aren't
01:08:17
◼
►
traveling door-to-door much but I guess
01:08:19
◼
►
you're still there and it's been it's
01:08:22
◼
►
been a real trip to travel along with
01:08:23
◼
►
them these many years that's Ron solberg
01:08:26
◼
►
author of The Wiz bangs of oohs and aahs
01:08:28
◼
►
America salesman their lower lives and
01:08:31
◼
►
laughs which is an incredibly thorough
01:08:32
◼
►
guide and fascinating history of
01:08:34
◼
►
traveling sales in this country we got
01:08:36
◼
►
the chance to sit down with Ron recently
01:08:38
◼
►
for an interview to talk to him about
01:08:39
◼
►
the profession and some of the stories
01:08:41
◼
►
behind those who criss cross the nation
01:08:43
◼
►
before us so Ron thanks so much for
01:08:48
◼
►
joining us you you actually have a
01:08:49
◼
►
background in traveling sales yourself
01:08:52
◼
►
he said well I really got started
01:08:53
◼
►
working my for my father in southern
01:08:55
◼
►
Minnesota he was my boss and when i was
01:08:58
◼
►
attending college and make a little
01:08:59
◼
►
money to go to college and so he hired
01:09:02
◼
►
me as one of his traveling salesman and
01:09:05
◼
►
I went door-to-door both in communities
01:09:07
◼
►
and in farms and was selling brushes and
01:09:11
◼
►
what waxes and insecticides during the
01:09:14
◼
►
summer months and actually was making
01:09:16
◼
►
pretty good money a hundred-dollar day
01:09:17
◼
►
was considered to be pretty good and I
01:09:20
◼
►
got about fifty percent of that so I was
01:09:22
◼
►
making maybe fifty to sixty dollars a
01:09:24
◼
►
day on those hundred dollar days so
01:09:27
◼
►
you're currently a teacher and i think
01:09:28
◼
►
i'd read in your book that your father
01:09:30
◼
►
was also a teacher as well wasn't he
01:09:33
◼
►
he was he was a stranger in Minnesota
01:09:35
◼
►
and this would be in the 1930s and he
01:09:39
◼
►
actually started selling these canning
01:09:43
◼
►
products for you can-can pickles and
01:09:45
◼
►
things and he was selling that door to
01:09:47
◼
►
door but he went into four brushes
01:09:49
◼
►
and he realized he was making more money
01:09:51
◼
►
selling for brushes in the summer than
01:09:52
◼
►
he was teaching in the other nine months
01:09:55
◼
►
of the year so he made the logical move
01:09:57
◼
►
to switch back to to fuller brushes and
01:10:01
◼
►
he was a he was a boss get about 15 guys
01:10:03
◼
►
working for him in southern Minnesota
01:10:06
◼
►
and I was one of those guys during the
01:10:08
◼
►
summers at least he was he was terrific
01:10:11
◼
►
I'd get down and I couldn't make a sale
01:10:14
◼
►
and for the life of me and I come back
01:10:16
◼
►
to them and say dad I I just I really I
01:10:18
◼
►
can't do it the doors are being slammed
01:10:20
◼
►
in my face is well let me help you any
01:10:22
◼
►
he come back with me and walk
01:10:23
◼
►
door-to-door and he was super he he had
01:10:26
◼
►
away and it's hard to even explain it
01:10:28
◼
►
but he taught me to be a good salesman
01:10:31
◼
►
and the trick really was a volume is the
01:10:35
◼
►
number of stops to make
01:10:37
◼
►
if you make certain number of stops for
01:10:39
◼
►
instance in a community you're going to
01:10:41
◼
►
be going to make the hundred-dollar day
01:10:42
◼
►
if you panic in farmers are bigger
01:10:45
◼
►
buyers at least they were at that time
01:10:46
◼
►
because they didn't get to the
01:10:47
◼
►
department stores in other places and so
01:10:50
◼
►
you didn't have to make as many stops at
01:10:52
◼
►
farmers but if you made those stops
01:10:55
◼
►
that's a three to four stops in the
01:10:57
◼
►
country in an hour you probably would
01:10:59
◼
►
make make a pretty good day for yourself
01:11:02
◼
►
do you know approximately how many years
01:11:05
◼
►
he sold for I don't know he must have
01:11:07
◼
►
been selling for brushes and and the
01:11:09
◼
►
field manager for maybe 30 years 20 to
01:11:11
◼
►
30 years we finally retire down to
01:11:13
◼
►
Arizona he couldn't get out of the sales
01:11:15
◼
►
business so he he went to selling maps
01:11:18
◼
►
to schools so in the end in the sense he
01:11:20
◼
►
can was returning to his roots because
01:11:22
◼
►
he he was going back to the school but
01:11:24
◼
►
as a salesman i went along with them to
01:11:26
◼
►
kind of see how he did it and you know
01:11:28
◼
►
he was using super salesman just was
01:11:31
◼
►
getting into the the history of it what
01:11:34
◼
►
are the origins of the Traveling
01:11:36
◼
►
Salesman the earliest sales people in
01:11:39
◼
►
Europe they call them monitor banks and
01:11:43
◼
►
Monta bank actually translates into
01:11:46
◼
►
somebody who would stand on it on a
01:11:48
◼
►
platform and promote a product kinda
01:11:51
◼
►
like you see in a carnival barker or
01:11:53
◼
►
something to that effect and so it was
01:11:55
◼
►
stationary wasn't a traveling salesman
01:11:58
◼
►
although they would travel as
01:11:59
◼
►
group from place to place kinda like
01:12:01
◼
►
early patent medicine people would they
01:12:04
◼
►
have their patent medicine shows and
01:12:06
◼
►
bring their shows around just in America
01:12:08
◼
►
but they were doing that in Europe and
01:12:10
◼
►
developed differently in the states in
01:12:13
◼
►
because in Europe the enterprise
01:12:15
◼
►
themselves were selling the they had
01:12:17
◼
►
rights to sell their products in
01:12:20
◼
►
particular areas in in this country the
01:12:23
◼
►
salesman went out and sold away from the
01:12:26
◼
►
enterprise they might sell clocks or 10
01:12:28
◼
►
where but they could make it roam the
01:12:31
◼
►
country they didn't have they didn't
01:12:33
◼
►
have any particular territory that they
01:12:35
◼
►
were locked into and so that was kind of
01:12:38
◼
►
a difference the travelling salesman in
01:12:40
◼
►
America really traveling and of course
01:12:42
◼
►
you had a different situation or two
01:12:44
◼
►
with with being a wide-open country and
01:12:46
◼
►
and people were located in different
01:12:49
◼
►
areas in fact one author is called it
01:12:51
◼
►
the the introduction of the everywhere
01:12:53
◼
►
community because in a sense the
01:12:56
◼
►
travelling salesman was was bringing the
01:12:59
◼
►
the goods and services from the city's
01:13:01
◼
►
out east boston and other is to to the
01:13:05
◼
►
farms and settlements that were farther
01:13:08
◼
►
west they were they were several things
01:13:10
◼
►
they weren't just salespeople they were
01:13:12
◼
►
also newspapers in fact that was an
01:13:14
◼
►
important role that these traveling
01:13:16
◼
►
salesman had an early times they were
01:13:18
◼
►
carrying news with them they would
01:13:20
◼
►
Johnny Appleseed for instance was very
01:13:22
◼
►
much involved in warning settlers as to
01:13:25
◼
►
maybe some some Indians or sort of on
01:13:28
◼
►
the warpath agency and they would tell
01:13:31
◼
►
them you know you've got some problems
01:13:32
◼
►
coming down the road here so this is
01:13:34
◼
►
really travelling salesmen were more
01:13:36
◼
►
carriers of news and advice so they had
01:13:39
◼
►
multiple multiple functions and with
01:13:41
◼
►
those early salesman what what were they
01:13:44
◼
►
selling exactly or rather what was the
01:13:47
◼
►
most like prevalent thing or things that
01:13:49
◼
►
they were selling book salesman were
01:13:52
◼
►
probably the most common salesman and
01:13:56
◼
►
sales women in in the 19th century one
01:13:59
◼
►
of the finest book salesman of all time
01:14:02
◼
►
was parson whims eat his primary product
01:14:06
◼
►
will buy it was Bibles but actually he
01:14:09
◼
►
wrote his own things
01:14:10
◼
►
some say he's kind of equivalent to
01:14:13
◼
►
current reports for National Enquirer
01:14:15
◼
►
and some of the others because he would
01:14:16
◼
►
tend to fictionalize the the people of
01:14:18
◼
►
his day like George Washington for
01:14:20
◼
►
instance he wrote a story about George
01:14:22
◼
►
Washington cutting down the cherry tree
01:14:23
◼
►
and and telling his dad it was you can
01:14:26
◼
►
read it and is that complimented him for
01:14:29
◼
►
for being honest and that's fiction it
01:14:31
◼
►
didn't really happen but actually what
01:14:33
◼
►
did happen is probably Williams is on
01:14:35
◼
►
sun did something very much like that
01:14:38
◼
►
but I don't think he admitted to stay at
01:14:40
◼
►
that he had done it but he wrote a lot
01:14:42
◼
►
of books and they were very popular
01:14:44
◼
►
people really enjoy them and what's kind
01:14:47
◼
►
of interesting about the web's book the
01:14:50
◼
►
the book about George Washington about
01:14:52
◼
►
being honest it was one of Abraham
01:14:55
◼
►
Lincoln's favorite favorite books i
01:14:57
◼
►
believe that he had like the book so
01:15:00
◼
►
much that of course his campaign theme
01:15:03
◼
►
was on a state and he probably got it
01:15:06
◼
►
from person rims and the story about
01:15:08
◼
►
George Washington so these things get
01:15:10
◼
►
kind of passed on and in strange ways
01:15:12
◼
►
but book sales can be involved in
01:15:14
◼
►
another way uh it's called subscription
01:15:17
◼
►
subscription sales they would go
01:15:19
◼
►
door-to-door with a portion of a book
01:15:21
◼
►
with some illustrations and text and
01:15:24
◼
►
there were a lot of blank pages and they
01:15:25
◼
►
would go door-to-door and say we're
01:15:27
◼
►
selling this book are you interested and
01:15:30
◼
►
they said yeah I'd like to buy that book
01:15:32
◼
►
and so they put their write their name
01:15:34
◼
►
in the back of the book and they go to
01:15:36
◼
►
the neighbor and say you know your
01:15:38
◼
►
neighbor down there said that they'd
01:15:39
◼
►
like to have this book maybe you would
01:15:41
◼
►
too and so the neighbors oh my gosh it's
01:15:43
◼
►
endorsed by my neighbor slops I'll sign
01:15:45
◼
►
for it and of course they didn't have to
01:15:47
◼
►
publish a book at a time because they
01:15:49
◼
►
knew just how many books are going to
01:15:51
◼
►
sell Mark Twain got involved in that
01:15:53
◼
►
that kind of process his early books
01:15:56
◼
►
were sold by subscription publishing one
01:15:58
◼
►
of the most successful subscription
01:16:00
◼
►
published a salesperson was a woman and
01:16:04
◼
►
she was criticized for for doing this
01:16:07
◼
►
women shouldn't be doing that sort of
01:16:08
◼
►
thing they should be going out in public
01:16:10
◼
►
and and knocking on doors and and and
01:16:13
◼
►
she got so mad about it that she wrote a
01:16:15
◼
►
book about that defending her position
01:16:17
◼
►
that that she should be able to do that
01:16:19
◼
►
just like anybody else just because
01:16:21
◼
►
she's a woman shouldn't restrict
01:16:23
◼
►
come from that profession but it's very
01:16:25
◼
►
very important way of selling books and
01:16:28
◼
►
in the 19th century there's that that
01:16:30
◼
►
sort of stereotype they're not to answer
01:16:33
◼
►
your door because they're gonna give you
01:16:34
◼
►
this hard sell and they're going to try
01:16:36
◼
►
and make you buy something but in those
01:16:37
◼
►
early days when these people were so
01:16:39
◼
►
kind of like rural and way out and in
01:16:42
◼
►
these distant areas i was it something
01:16:45
◼
►
like more positive because the strangers
01:16:47
◼
►
coming to your door and he's going to
01:16:48
◼
►
talk to you and he's also gonna bring
01:16:50
◼
►
interesting things from the outside
01:16:52
◼
►
yeah it was for many different reasons
01:16:55
◼
►
one of the kind of traveling salesman is
01:16:59
◼
►
called the Arkansas traveler and the
01:17:02
◼
►
Arkansas traveler actually person was
01:17:05
◼
►
probably in arkansas traveler not just
01:17:07
◼
►
because he sold books in Arkansas but
01:17:09
◼
►
the characteristic of the Arkansas
01:17:11
◼
►
traveler was that he would speak with
01:17:13
◼
►
people who are really out in the boonies
01:17:16
◼
►
and people who really don't talk to
01:17:18
◼
►
anybody they were there to get away from
01:17:20
◼
►
life i guess we get away from from other
01:17:23
◼
►
people and so he had to ingratiate
01:17:25
◼
►
himself with these people to sell these
01:17:27
◼
►
items and so what he did is he brought
01:17:30
◼
►
his violin and instruments with him and
01:17:32
◼
►
he would invite the these people to join
01:17:36
◼
►
him in music and of course that really
01:17:39
◼
►
really attracted them and that was
01:17:42
◼
►
typical the Arkansas traveler also a
01:17:44
◼
►
traveling salesman or collectors
01:17:46
◼
►
collectors of music you have a couple of
01:17:49
◼
►
traveling salesman who were selling
01:17:51
◼
►
nursery items they were not out there to
01:17:55
◼
►
sell the items as much as they were
01:17:56
◼
►
collecting the music of of america and a
01:18:00
◼
►
couple of museums ones in Missouri and
01:18:03
◼
►
the other windows down in North Carolina
01:18:05
◼
►
that has a collection of massive amounts
01:18:08
◼
►
of music of the time this should be
01:18:10
◼
►
nineteenth-century america and of course
01:18:12
◼
►
in the case of the music can reverse the
01:18:16
◼
►
whens was there to contribute is music
01:18:18
◼
►
but these traveling sales people were
01:18:21
◼
►
there to collect the music of the people
01:18:24
◼
►
other people did other things their
01:18:27
◼
►
storytelling was big and they the people
01:18:29
◼
►
knew that when the salesman came along
01:18:32
◼
►
here a lot of stories to tell
01:18:33
◼
►
you were jokes i can see why people were
01:18:36
◼
►
attractive they knew that this is sort
01:18:39
◼
►
of an entertainer who was coming around
01:18:40
◼
►
and in the process they buy some things
01:18:43
◼
►
from the entertainer the travelling
01:18:45
◼
►
salesman would come in a lot of
01:18:46
◼
►
different colors and brands and purposes
01:18:49
◼
►
fact and one the travelling salesman was
01:18:51
◼
►
collecting the music is Boston you know
01:18:53
◼
►
you're not doing much selling frankly
01:18:55
◼
►
get your trading your your goods in this
01:18:57
◼
►
case nursery items for music you're not
01:19:00
◼
►
you're not really bring in much revenue
01:19:02
◼
►
but that wasn't is his thing in your
01:19:05
◼
►
book you've dedicated a whole section to
01:19:08
◼
►
Johnny Appleseed and you said you
01:19:09
◼
►
consider him a legendary traveling
01:19:13
◼
►
that's not something you usually think
01:19:14
◼
►
of when you think of these this iconic
01:19:18
◼
►
why do you consider him a traveling
01:19:20
◼
►
salesman for several reasons Johnny
01:19:22
◼
►
Appleseed covered a lot of territory he
01:19:25
◼
►
started out in the east coast and in
01:19:27
◼
►
went all the way up to Indiana and he
01:19:31
◼
►
was spreading the word about very very
01:19:33
◼
►
important product with the apple today
01:19:36
◼
►
it's pretty common but at the time
01:19:37
◼
►
people didn't have access to sweeteners
01:19:40
◼
►
and certainly alcoholic beverages an
01:19:43
◼
►
apple compatible Jack and it's also a
01:19:46
◼
►
preservative and and perhaps the most
01:19:49
◼
►
important element of the Apple was that
01:19:51
◼
►
it intended to serve as boundary the
01:19:53
◼
►
trees served as boundaries to the
01:19:55
◼
►
property because these people were
01:19:57
◼
►
settlers end and they were just claiming
01:19:59
◼
►
their piece of land and they could claim
01:20:01
◼
►
land bye-bye ringing their territory
01:20:05
◼
►
with these apple trees so Johnny
01:20:06
◼
►
Appleseed is really helping them settled
01:20:08
◼
►
as well but he's also a missionary he
01:20:11
◼
►
was so he was passing on information
01:20:15
◼
►
about the Swedenborg and religion which
01:20:17
◼
►
is kind of in a really equal to his
01:20:20
◼
►
isn't interested in in the people that
01:20:22
◼
►
he was talking to and the the college
01:20:25
◼
►
there in urbana is actually there
01:20:28
◼
►
because of Johnny Appleseed he he was
01:20:30
◼
►
able to persuade a friend of his to
01:20:32
◼
►
donate property to to the college that
01:20:35
◼
►
they could put that the educational kind
01:20:37
◼
►
of facility up and build it is a very
01:20:40
◼
►
interesting person i think that the the
01:20:43
◼
►
real story about Johnny Appleseed is far
01:20:45
◼
►
more interesting
01:20:47
◼
►
and really unusual than the legends that
01:20:50
◼
►
have grown up around and disney and
01:20:52
◼
►
others have tended to fictionalize much
01:20:55
◼
►
what he was but he was he was truly an
01:20:58
◼
►
inspiration there are certain sales
01:21:01
◼
►
techniques or things that we now
01:21:03
◼
►
consider like sales staples that you
01:21:06
◼
►
write about that you were born from the
01:21:08
◼
►
heyday of traveling sales like the
01:21:10
◼
►
warranty in the money back guarantee
01:21:13
◼
►
well in terms of the warranty or the
01:21:16
◼
►
money back guarantee
01:21:18
◼
►
marshall field's was an early innovator
01:21:20
◼
►
and of course it was very very popular
01:21:22
◼
►
and that was the cornerstone of his
01:21:25
◼
►
early business here in Chicago the the
01:21:28
◼
►
title of my book has words was banging
01:21:30
◼
►
in it and of course that was a word that
01:21:32
◼
►
he called his his people with bangs his
01:21:35
◼
►
traveling salesman of the other thing is
01:21:38
◼
►
giving away samples and of course a lot
01:21:40
◼
►
of started to you as door openers and i
01:21:42
◼
►
use samples when I was selling for
01:21:44
◼
►
brushes I'd pastry brushes and vegetable
01:21:46
◼
►
brushes and and the bottles of perfume
01:21:48
◼
►
and I say if you talk with me for just a
01:21:51
◼
►
moment of give you this pastry brush of
01:21:53
◼
►
this vegetable brush and that doesn't
01:21:55
◼
►
sound like a big deal today but it was a
01:21:58
◼
►
big deal and frequently these these door
01:22:01
◼
►
openers became products one of the most
01:22:04
◼
►
amazing stories i think is with the SOS
01:22:06
◼
►
pad it was a he was selling out for the
01:22:10
◼
►
for the kitchen cookware control
01:22:12
◼
►
beginning door open so he was talking to
01:22:13
◼
►
his wife and he's what can i do to get
01:22:16
◼
►
the door open to sell my goods and she
01:22:17
◼
►
said well when we when we do something
01:22:20
◼
►
with us a pad that maybe a steel wall
01:22:24
◼
►
and maybe it has soap in it and give
01:22:26
◼
►
that away and maybe the doors will open
01:22:28
◼
►
one of course they did but the the kind
01:22:31
◼
►
of funny part of this was that he said
01:22:33
◼
►
well what what what are we going to call
01:22:35
◼
►
this thing and she's a lot of imma call
01:22:37
◼
►
an SOS pads into the SOS pads would save
01:22:40
◼
►
our saucepans and so his wife in that
01:22:43
◼
►
case was his partner in and putting that
01:22:46
◼
►
together Wrigley started out selling
01:22:48
◼
►
soaps and he's giving away Styx ago and
01:22:51
◼
►
of course we now know that the
01:22:52
◼
►
government far more popular and
01:22:54
◼
►
is soaps and what's interesting about
01:22:58
◼
►
that he took a step took it a step
01:22:59
◼
►
further but by mailing out samples to
01:23:03
◼
►
people with telephones and chris is
01:23:07
◼
►
early 20th century so he used it the
01:23:09
◼
►
addresses of people with telephones as
01:23:13
◼
►
his the potential customers avon
01:23:16
◼
►
products started out as he was selling
01:23:19
◼
►
books and he needed a door opener and so
01:23:23
◼
►
he worked with I think a relative who
01:23:27
◼
►
was a pharmacist and he said can I put
01:23:28
◼
►
something together that maybe would open
01:23:30
◼
►
the door and they concocted some
01:23:32
◼
►
perfumes and things and of course now we
01:23:34
◼
►
know that the perfumes and cosmetics
01:23:36
◼
►
became far more interesting to the
01:23:38
◼
►
customer than the things he was trying
01:23:41
◼
►
to sell the name is kind of interesting
01:23:43
◼
►
the reason is called Avon is because he
01:23:45
◼
►
lived in New York and he lived near a
01:23:47
◼
►
river that look very much like
01:23:48
◼
►
stratford-on-avon in England where
01:23:51
◼
►
Shakespeare from so that's that's where
01:23:54
◼
►
they got the word Yvonne and you know
01:23:56
◼
►
other bits it's serendipitous how things
01:23:58
◼
►
happen we have a traveling salesman la
01:24:01
◼
►
who of course we know and now is the
01:24:04
◼
►
potato chip man discovered that Chef
01:24:09
◼
►
coincidence names crumb out in saratoga
01:24:12
◼
►
and the story goes that Vanderbilt came
01:24:15
◼
►
in the very wealthy railroad man came in
01:24:18
◼
►
and ordered some potatoes and the chef
01:24:21
◼
►
delivered them and vanderbilt said you
01:24:24
◼
►
know this is this is not good and so
01:24:26
◼
►
chrome went back and invented the potato
01:24:28
◼
►
chip and called the saratoga trip
01:24:30
◼
►
initially it was just a regional thing
01:24:32
◼
►
he was discovered by leigh and he bought
01:24:36
◼
►
a bunch of this bag it up put in the
01:24:38
◼
►
trunk of his car and store the store
01:24:40
◼
►
saying I've got something here that I
01:24:41
◼
►
think you'll be interested in course we
01:24:43
◼
►
know today that free delay is you know
01:24:46
◼
►
begin in the potato chip business and it
01:24:48
◼
►
what's I think so important about these
01:24:50
◼
►
salespeople the very best sales people
01:24:52
◼
►
take advantage of the moment they they
01:24:55
◼
►
they see something and they say my gosh
01:24:57
◼
►
this is this is something that will sell
01:24:59
◼
►
favorite story i have is a learned about
01:25:03
◼
►
it when i was working with this is
01:25:05
◼
►
really great salespeople one of them had
01:25:08
◼
►
been out to Colorado and he was skiing
01:25:11
◼
►
with his wife they were going from one
01:25:13
◼
►
peak to another to go to to another
01:25:15
◼
►
slope and they were going to be taking
01:25:18
◼
►
this cable car from one location to the
01:25:20
◼
►
next and my they were trying
01:25:23
◼
►
transversing this valley small plane
01:25:26
◼
►
came down and clip the cable and the two
01:25:28
◼
►
or three of the cable cars in front of
01:25:29
◼
►
this this insurance it salesman crashed
01:25:33
◼
►
into the valley across it they were
01:25:34
◼
►
killed and but he was left dangling up
01:25:36
◼
►
there above the valley with his wife and
01:25:40
◼
►
in the process sold insurance policies
01:25:42
◼
►
to the people who were in that car again
01:25:45
◼
►
each other these people see the
01:25:47
◼
►
opportunity and they they take advantage
01:25:49
◼
►
of it they just did and they aren't
01:25:52
◼
►
necessary taking advantage of people in
01:25:54
◼
►
most cases i think they're they're
01:25:56
◼
►
giving people something that they maybe
01:25:59
◼
►
didn't realize that they wanted in the
01:26:02
◼
►
one of the favorite stories that i have
01:26:04
◼
►
is the man who was actually from this
01:26:06
◼
►
particular area went to college in April
01:26:09
◼
►
his name is better million gates he did
01:26:12
◼
►
wasn't born a better million but that's
01:26:14
◼
►
what they call them later gates
01:26:16
◼
►
eventually would sell barbed wire for
01:26:18
◼
►
the people in dekalb in fact help
01:26:21
◼
►
university northern illinois university
01:26:23
◼
►
is probably there because of the barbed
01:26:25
◼
►
wire business and because that's where
01:26:28
◼
►
barb wire was invented in to count but
01:26:30
◼
►
he started selling barbed wire and he
01:26:33
◼
►
was called been a million because he
01:26:35
◼
►
would he would bet on anything he
01:26:37
◼
►
started his first sailing west and he
01:26:41
◼
►
has so some farmers who had cattle who
01:26:44
◼
►
were roaming all over the place across
01:26:47
◼
►
this way had the cowboys because they
01:26:48
◼
►
had to continue to corral these
01:26:50
◼
►
cattlemen and know where they work and
01:26:53
◼
►
you so i can keep the scandal right
01:26:55
◼
►
there there's three very wild cattle but
01:26:57
◼
►
I can keep them there and and they said
01:26:59
◼
►
they can't do that he said I betcha I
01:27:01
◼
►
can of course he's throwing the barbed
01:27:03
◼
►
wire around these cattle and they were
01:27:05
◼
►
ready to go anywhere eventually was so
01:27:07
◼
►
successful selling barbed wire that he
01:27:09
◼
►
went in the steel business Republic
01:27:11
◼
►
Steel and it's probably his biggest
01:27:13
◼
►
venture was a oil company that we didn't
01:27:16
◼
►
know now is Texaco
01:27:18
◼
►
that was his company so very wealthy
01:27:20
◼
►
that he was so wealthy that he actually
01:27:23
◼
►
did for Carnegie steel business across
01:27:26
◼
►
Carnegie we know is probably was one of
01:27:29
◼
►
the wealthiest people of all time in and
01:27:31
◼
►
in America but that's how wealthy this
01:27:34
◼
►
guy was the gates for something else I
01:27:36
◼
►
mean he was very successful and he knew
01:27:39
◼
►
what he wanted to do and he took
01:27:40
◼
►
advantage of the moment just like so
01:27:42
◼
►
many of these is very good salespeople
01:27:44
◼
►
do with those success stories do you
01:27:46
◼
►
think there's a process of like that
01:27:48
◼
►
process of learning to walk toward the
01:27:49
◼
►
door and kind of meet all kinds of mix
01:27:52
◼
►
of people does that help and and does it
01:27:54
◼
►
further their career in the end
01:27:56
◼
►
ultimately and end is learning to sell
01:27:59
◼
►
have some sort of benefit in general do
01:28:01
◼
►
you think i've seen articles written
01:28:03
◼
►
about this that sales training can help
01:28:06
◼
►
people in almost any location
01:28:09
◼
►
except you're a monk or somebody that
01:28:11
◼
►
set a computer all day and we need to
01:28:13
◼
►
talk to anybody but I think there's some
01:28:15
◼
►
basic principles that you learn just
01:28:19
◼
►
going door-to-door one of them is
01:28:21
◼
►
there's formulas the formula i mentioned
01:28:23
◼
►
to you that you you have to make so many
01:28:25
◼
►
stops in an hour in town and i think it
01:28:28
◼
►
was i think the the formula was eight
01:28:31
◼
►
stops our if you go slower than that
01:28:34
◼
►
you're not selling if you're faster that
01:28:36
◼
►
you're not selling so it stops an hour
01:28:38
◼
►
in the country it was four stops an hour
01:28:40
◼
►
so it's formulas that you learn and
01:28:43
◼
►
there's also the idea that optimism
01:28:47
◼
►
persistence is so important and I mean
01:28:52
◼
►
that's kind of an intangible but but it
01:28:54
◼
►
is important and I think the very best
01:28:57
◼
►
salesman our friends to the people that
01:28:58
◼
►
they sell to Johnny Appleseed was a
01:29:01
◼
►
friend to his people
01:29:02
◼
►
there's so many examples where they
01:29:04
◼
►
didn't see them just as salespeople but
01:29:06
◼
►
they were friends and I think it goes as
01:29:09
◼
►
far as to talk about some of the
01:29:10
◼
►
television personalities like Ron Popeil
01:29:12
◼
►
he comes across to you as a friend I've
01:29:16
◼
►
got something I want to share with you
01:29:17
◼
►
give me a moment and
01:29:19
◼
►
I'll tell you about it because it's
01:29:20
◼
►
really pretty good bargain and only 999
01:29:23
◼
►
a month for and i'll give you something
01:29:28
◼
►
extra with that i'll give you a cookbook
01:29:29
◼
►
or whatever it is they they know the
01:29:33
◼
►
people are talking to in there they're
01:29:35
◼
►
like friends and the moment as a teacher
01:29:39
◼
►
I can't call it the teachable moment but
01:29:41
◼
►
the it's a sellable or the sales moment
01:29:44
◼
►
when there's a moment when you say yes i
01:29:46
◼
►
know that this is something you could
01:29:48
◼
►
use one of the quotes is the last one to
01:29:51
◼
►
say something you know the cell is the
01:29:54
◼
►
buyer so you wait until the customer
01:29:59
◼
►
says something you don't talk over the
01:30:01
◼
►
customer you you let the customer
01:30:03
◼
►
finally say something and person that
01:30:05
◼
►
says something last is probably the one
01:30:07
◼
►
who's winning
01:30:08
◼
►
I should say is is buying in this
01:30:11
◼
►
particular case there are techniques and
01:30:14
◼
►
some of it is more art than science but
01:30:19
◼
►
a lot of it is things that you can tell
01:30:21
◼
►
people you should be doing it this way
01:30:23
◼
►
for instance one salesman very
01:30:27
◼
►
successful says you gotta have a gimmick
01:30:28
◼
►
his gimmick was jewelry he had some very
01:30:32
◼
►
fancy jewelry watches and things that
01:30:35
◼
►
people isn't really that's very
01:30:37
◼
►
interesting and so they would become
01:30:39
◼
►
interested in him as an individual's a
01:30:41
◼
►
way that's what you got there that's
01:30:43
◼
►
entry that was his his thing
01:30:45
◼
►
how did your book wound up happening how
01:30:48
◼
►
did how did with bangs get written and
01:30:50
◼
►
what was the process there
01:30:52
◼
►
I'm a history teacher and i was asked by
01:30:54
◼
►
the Newberry Library to put together
01:30:57
◼
►
some us appliance on a
01:30:59
◼
►
turn-of-the-century sales activity or
01:31:02
◼
►
labor activity in chicago and i decided
01:31:05
◼
►
to focus on merchandising and marketing
01:31:08
◼
►
and and as I was doing that I realized
01:31:10
◼
►
that this is this inches to a lesson
01:31:14
◼
►
plan it's a book so seven years later I
01:31:17
◼
►
ended up completing this book about
01:31:20
◼
►
traveling salesman it was some of the
01:31:22
◼
►
most rewarding times that I've ever had
01:31:24
◼
►
combed the stacks of the library
01:31:27
◼
►
Congress and the new
01:31:28
◼
►
Barry librarian in fact that's where I
01:31:30
◼
►
found this journal this Bible salesman
01:31:32
◼
►
am Jones was a journal
01:31:34
◼
►
I don't know that anybody ever seen it
01:31:35
◼
►
it was I had a handle it with gloves
01:31:39
◼
►
because it was very fragile probably one
01:31:42
◼
►
of the first things i find it with this
01:31:43
◼
►
is this is unbelievable
01:31:45
◼
►
maybe this is something that's written
01:31:46
◼
►
by a traveling salesman you know a
01:31:48
◼
►
hundred-plus years ago and it told me
01:31:51
◼
►
his techniques and everything else and
01:31:54
◼
►
so one thing led to another I realized
01:31:56
◼
►
that such a wonderful rich rich field
01:32:00
◼
►
and i had the opportunity to do is serve
01:32:02
◼
►
as a researcher in that library Congress
01:32:05
◼
►
home their stacks for everything they
01:32:06
◼
►
had visited museums i visited the parson
01:32:10
◼
►
whims museum and virginia and i went
01:32:14
◼
►
through their stacks they had a lot of
01:32:16
◼
►
information about personal whims and I
01:32:18
◼
►
don't want it was just there's so many
01:32:19
◼
►
not wonderful resource is the patent
01:32:23
◼
►
medicine capital of the country which is
01:32:26
◼
►
marshall michigan at the turn of the
01:32:29
◼
►
century early 20th century there were a
01:32:31
◼
►
hundred plus patent medicine businesses
01:32:33
◼
►
in marshall michigan talk to a lot of
01:32:35
◼
►
people there and we knew a lot about the
01:32:37
◼
►
patent medicine business and that was
01:32:40
◼
►
that was thrilling to to get in touch so
01:32:42
◼
►
they're just a number of resources being
01:32:45
◼
►
able to talk to people being able to go
01:32:47
◼
►
to museums libraries and some of said
01:32:51
◼
►
well you became sort of a traveling
01:32:52
◼
►
salesman show again by kind of traveling
01:32:55
◼
►
around and selling my ideas or at least
01:32:58
◼
►
buying idea that goes from others you
01:33:01
◼
►
have a whole section about humor that's
01:33:03
◼
►
based around the travelling salesman in
01:33:06
◼
►
how did that come about some historians
01:33:08
◼
►
believe that you can tell more about the
01:33:10
◼
►
life of a Salesman by reading the humor
01:33:13
◼
►
of the day then than almost anything
01:33:15
◼
►
else because some of the humor that I
01:33:17
◼
►
have collected goes back under 50 years
01:33:20
◼
►
and it's funny today as I think it
01:33:21
◼
►
probably was the day that the salesman
01:33:24
◼
►
first uttered it a lot of jokes about
01:33:26
◼
►
themselves they like to make fun of
01:33:28
◼
►
themselves and so many that so much of
01:33:31
◼
►
humor is a farm farmer salesman my
01:33:36
◼
►
favorite story is the Traveling Salesman
01:33:39
◼
►
came up to the door
01:33:40
◼
►
r and as he was knocking in the farmers
01:33:43
◼
►
door life comes to the door and he
01:33:46
◼
►
notices a three-legged picture i would
01:33:48
◼
►
speak with it wouldn't like running by
01:33:50
◼
►
you said before I sell you something
01:33:51
◼
►
I've got to ask you about this
01:33:53
◼
►
three-legged figured what's with that
01:33:55
◼
►
and want to see that pig is very special
01:33:58
◼
►
well i think i can see that it's got
01:34:00
◼
►
three legs and I wouldn't like they're
01:34:01
◼
►
well it does more that pig our daughter
01:34:04
◼
►
is failing math and that pic to your
01:34:06
◼
►
daughter she's straight A's
01:34:08
◼
►
well thatthat's that special but it will
01:34:10
◼
►
what about the three legs
01:34:12
◼
►
there's more this house was on fire that
01:34:15
◼
►
pig comes in rescues us and today we're
01:34:17
◼
►
here because that pig got us out of the
01:34:20
◼
►
well that's that special but what about
01:34:22
◼
►
the three lights there's more we were
01:34:25
◼
►
destitute we didn't know where our next
01:34:26
◼
►
dollars coming from the pig nose that
01:34:29
◼
►
goes the backyard is all vines oil
01:34:31
◼
►
ok alright alright special p tell me
01:34:34
◼
►
about the three legs well I pic like
01:34:36
◼
►
that you can't eat all the words it's
01:34:39
◼
►
great you mentioned at the start that
01:34:42
◼
►
all of this historical traveling sales
01:34:44
◼
►
is wound up coming around and now kind
01:34:45
◼
►
of there are glimmers of it on TV in the
01:34:49
◼
►
internet and you specifically you
01:34:51
◼
►
reference that the grocery store chain
01:34:53
◼
►
jewel here in Illinois but that's sort
01:34:56
◼
►
of a good example of what goes around
01:34:58
◼
►
comes around that kind of idea in sales
01:35:01
◼
►
the drill teeth company has started out
01:35:05
◼
►
in Chicago actually doridori you went
01:35:08
◼
►
door-to-door selling coffee and tea and
01:35:10
◼
►
things and it was an innovation at the
01:35:12
◼
►
time because at that point if you want
01:35:15
◼
►
to get coffee and tea you go to store
01:35:17
◼
►
and it probably in a barrel
01:35:18
◼
►
it wasn't very fresh and so he was able
01:35:21
◼
►
to deliver some fresh food door to door
01:35:23
◼
►
out of his wagon and of course one thing
01:35:27
◼
►
led to another and it became a grocery
01:35:30
◼
►
store he actually the the founders of
01:35:33
◼
►
jewel T work or relatives they were
01:35:36
◼
►
eventually acquired by the grocery store
01:35:39
◼
►
business move fast forward to do about
01:35:43
◼
►
that perhaps 20 years ago and the
01:35:46
◼
►
introduction of
01:35:47
◼
►
peapod and what happened was of course
01:35:50
◼
►
people now started going to the grocery
01:35:53
◼
►
stores picking out the items for you and
01:35:56
◼
►
in delivering them to you so that you
01:35:58
◼
►
get the fresh products needed nap to go
01:36:00
◼
►
to the store and get them yourself you
01:36:02
◼
►
know where they got those items from
01:36:04
◼
►
jewel T they actually shop jewel T to
01:36:08
◼
►
pick up the groceries to deliver to the
01:36:11
◼
►
people so it came full cycle you know
01:36:14
◼
►
you go from door to door to the grocery
01:36:17
◼
►
store and back started our and it's
01:36:20
◼
►
that's that's so typical of of of the
01:36:23
◼
►
way this thing goes it it comes out in a
01:36:26
◼
►
different way but it's still
01:36:28
◼
►
door-to-door sales and stillbirths
01:36:30
◼
►
sounds so that's a that's a that's kind
01:36:34
◼
►
of the story of travel
01:36:38
◼
►
the priest eating podcast was brought to
01:36:40
◼
►
you by field notes brand notebooks
01:36:42
◼
►
specifically in connection with a
01:36:44
◼
►
limited edition pocket memo books for
01:36:46
◼
►
fall the Traveling Salesman addition
01:36:48
◼
►
this edition features the 3-pack of made
01:36:51
◼
►
in the USA field notes each with a dark
01:36:53
◼
►
and rich french paper pop down cover and
01:36:56
◼
►
embossed logo and gold text inside the
01:36:58
◼
►
Traveling Salesman addition you'll find
01:37:00
◼
►
like green paper with ledger lines great
01:37:03
◼
►
for tracking expenses sales mileage or
01:37:06
◼
►
any other data you gather on the road
01:37:07
◼
►
for more information please visit field
01:37:10
◼
►
notes brand.com