18: Instawhatsit, with Marco Arment
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ok well i am i'm convinced that at some
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point during the show we're going to be
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interrupted by some device nearby me
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making noises because it's I've got too
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many too many phones
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yeah i was messing with my website
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configuration about an hour ago and and
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I I cause some downtime and I have like
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four devices vibrate with some kind of
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alert but you're telling me about this
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it's it's crazy and I've got wires
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everywhere all they're all white and
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different ends on the meta yeah it's a
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weird and unique time of the year like
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the new iphone just got into my hands
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time and my personal iphone just came
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here yesterday just got it yesterday so
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now it's like this is this is like the
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worst because i had been using on a
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daily basis the review unit iphone from
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apple but I still had my personal iphone
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4 ass and now I've got my new one which
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I've restored and now i'm just going to
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use that one but I find I have so much
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affection for my old 4s that I and I've
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died this is the first year really been
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conscious of it but I've done it the
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everyb previous year to that for a day
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or two I keep it running and sometimes I
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put in my other pants pocket and walk
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around with both phones but I mind still
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on my desk but I haven't the only thing
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I used it forward had to set up some
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kind of some dark accessories yesterday
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that didn't work with the Lightning plug
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so i had to use the 4s but but yeah I
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mean I i still have almost all my old
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phones I I keep one of every generation
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so whenever whenever TIFF and I have the
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same one then I'll end up selling one of
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those once you know once we move on but
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i still have all of all mine because I
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don't mean my excuse so far has been for
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testing but i'm a little bit sentimental
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but some of them except 3g I was a piece
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of crap that what kind of was that was
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fun getting rid of the head but I have
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to keep my 3gs for testing but even even
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when that's I might keep that afterwards
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I don't know but like I have my original
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iphone sitting in the drawer I haven't
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turned on and probably a year because i
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can't can't run anything on anymore but
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but get any do it they're the ones i
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could probably get rid of everything
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except the original the original i still
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like to take out and just I don't turn
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it even turn it on i just put in my hand
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and feel it and now it you know and
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there's still something and I know like
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I know cable sasser I don't know if he
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still feels this way but i know that
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when the four first came out he was a
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real stay even after used it for a while
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was not a fan of the harsh corners and I
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know Edward Tufte tough to got it on
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I've no idea today but I know that he's
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he he does not like the corners you know
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he's complained about and and not like
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hey he just got his first iPhone 4 or 4s
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or now five with the corners and like a
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day or two when he's complaining about
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it you know after he's been using it for
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a while actually and he was Benny was
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singing the praises of the retina
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display and about how much more detail
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you can put in you know that this is you
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know it's fantastic but he also said you
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know why in the world did they go away
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from them around edges
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I don't mind it I like that the sharp
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edges but there is something to be said
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about the the round edges of the
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original and every bothered me i don't
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know what you actually wanted bottom
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about the original is it got so hot i
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never noticed like I guess sometimes on
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edge it did well it was only edge
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yeah but I'm saying I'm saying when I
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and when I was using it on edge not like
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it's rather than what exactly when i was
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like i'm using a lot of data on the
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cellular network
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yeah yeah i did notice that and and I
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haven't the new one the five I haven't
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noticed they're really getting hot at
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all and me I don't even know if it's
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gotten warm like you know it's hard to
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tell when you're using it for awhile
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whether it's warm because your hand on
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it or whether it's generating heat from
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inside that you can actually detect but
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seems like i've used mine out a lot
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already and it seems pretty solid pretty
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a pretty elegant you know it's the a
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six-man I I think Apple really
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underplayed the asic i do to the
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presentation because it's so far from
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what we know about you know like like an
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and texturing these benchmarks trying to
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figure out what it is
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it looks like it's really awesome and it
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makes the a5x like a piece of crap yeah
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it really does i got and I know there's
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a bunch of stuff I'd listen to 2 the
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latest episode of building analyze I
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couldn't you was that from earlier this
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week eranda like monday i was 42 now you
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pointed out there that that it's
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significantly and noticeably faster cpu
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wise than the current ipad parentheses
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three and closed parenthesis and and the
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ipad 3 needs more speed because you know
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as i mentioned i'm sure i'm not gonna go
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too far into it here but it got this
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huge boost of all those extra all the
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extra GPU power from the 5x but it's the
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same cpu and a lot of graphical
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operations still run on the CPU like
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things that aren't fully
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hardware-accelerated and and one of the
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things that that hits me with with
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instapaper was that page to animation
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because i have to capture the image of
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one page before it turns away so i can
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scroll the webview underneath it
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oops i just told all my competitors are
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today well they don't like that during
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that they listened to your show
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if you listen to my show they would have
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submitted voiceover updates all right
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but the fact but doing like some of
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those graphical operations that I do
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with the pagination are done on the cpu
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and so when I had three can I was the
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first time a new device made something
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in my app slower and because it was all
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these look way more pixels you know four
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times as many pixels but roughly the
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same cpu speed is the ipad 2 and that
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was that was the skepticism of the whole
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before they came out with the retina
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iPad the skepticism was from people who
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know their shit you know people like you
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who are do developers who are writing
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code that does things like the page curl
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animations for game developers there's a
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lot of skepticism about I just really i
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don't know that's an awful lot of pixels
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right i mean just in all sorts of ways
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putting them through the cpu justjust
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everything in and out of video memory i
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think people underestimate just how
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aggressive it is to have that many
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pixels on a tablet
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oh yeah and I mean that mean pixel
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anything like we've seen we even see now
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with the retina macbook pro
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that that you know one of the biggest
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bottlenecks in the retina macbook pro is
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the GPU just pushing that many pixels
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and and so I think the one reason and is
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that the ipad was always a head of the
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iphone cpu wise is a couple reasons one
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it needed it because it's had bigger
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screen and to it physically has more
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room for it you know there's a ginormous
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battery in there compared to the iphone
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and you know it's just easier place to
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put a bigger cpu or system-on-a-chip oh
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definitely and and I also they they sell
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way fewer iPads an iphone so if there's
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any kind of manufacturing yield issues
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or potential issues like if it's a new
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process or a new architecture it's
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generally easier for them i would
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imagine to run at first on the ipad and
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then launched on the iphone later which
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is what they've done until now right
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this is the first time that an iphone is
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faster than the ipad yeah it's it's
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really amazing and i do think that they
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underplayed attending one of the reasons
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maybe is that you can say it on stage
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but it's not really demo ball you know
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you just say faster and it just sounds
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like marketing PAP you no one even if
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even if they said oh this is a custom
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design thing well technically the a4 and
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a5 were custom in the way that you know
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they were custom arranged in the package
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but you know the cores weren't really
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customized but you know and i think
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that's a level of detail that you know
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the press wouldn't have really
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appreciate high time and I think people
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underestimate if you really think about
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we're so used to apple giving these good
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introduction event but I think it's
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really really hard to write them to
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structure them into pick what your eggs
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actually going to say because I know
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that if it were me I would have been
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lazy and the thing i would have said is
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at first just before it even got into
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what it does just in terms of the build
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i would have just said you have to feel
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it you have to feel it you just gotta
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put in your hand and feel how light it
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is and feel and everybody who gets one
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that's what this is what everybody says
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is what Amy said when I first showed it
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everybody who first picks it was like I
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can't believe what it feels like
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but they don't say that right they talk
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about specific stuff about the microns
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in the build quality
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because I feel like saying you have to
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feel it it it it doesn't sound it is
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true but it doesn't sound true it sounds
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like just this type of marketing stuff
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anybody would say yeah and I mean maybe
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that's why you know they probably
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assumed that if they say it no one's
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really gonna believe them right
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whereas if everyone who picks one up
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says that that's a different story
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that's more powerful
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yeah i love the thing I I still it's
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still almost like the for the whole
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first day or two that I had it it felt
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kind of fake and I was a little worried
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about dropping it just as it was so
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light i figured like it's you know that
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you said it's like picking up an empty
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shell like it really is it feels like
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you're picking up just an iphone case
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you nowhere with no iphone in it I
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actually but now I'm used to and man it
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was getting used to the tall screen was
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like now I I so I've so quickly got to
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the point where when I look at the
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iphone 4 again
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it looked ridiculously short to me that
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it took me like three days yeah and I
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kind of touched on this on in my review
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and part of it is my personality is that
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I am just an inveterate procrastinator
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so I wrote you know the the embargo was
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tuesday evening i wrote the review all
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day Tuesday comment you know cleared the
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scheduled didn't didn't post much during
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the day and I'd I pretty much wrote the
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Hawaiian notes that I've been taking
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just scribbles like my notes look like
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crazy person notes and i just wrote it
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all on Tuesday but I almost think that I
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had to though because my opinion of it
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had evolved significantly from the first
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few days and honestly I still I still
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look back and and sort of wistfully look
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back at the days before i was getting
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these things in advance and I would just
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write reviews whenever I was ready and I
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kind of feel like I wish I had more time
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still had more time with the device
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because it still hasn't really settled
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yeah I think that's kind of a problem
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with with a lot of the way the way the
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tech press operates is that a lot of
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these products you know you really want
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a little bit longer term review but
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everyone with everyone interested in
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reading the review when the thing comes
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out but there's so many you know
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anything any such a mobile product
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you kind of need to have it for a while
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you need to do you need to go different
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places with it you need to maybe go on
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go on vacation or something to see how
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it performs there and and you know maybe
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go to a conference I mean you know to
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get like a a good feel for how how good
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this thing is or how it works with your
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life and our how it works and we're in
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different types of situations rather
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than you know you get the review unit
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and you gotta write your review in two
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days and and that's you know it's it's
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definitely hard to you know as you as
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you know you said it's probably hard to
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really get a good review of it out then
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but if you don't do it then like if
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you're a big site like one of the big
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gadget sites they have to get an
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out-of-date one like that's what that's
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what their audience demands there and
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they're competing on day one with all
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the other publications New York Times
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Wall Street Journal they have to get
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theirs out on day one because that's
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what people demand from them and I look
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you're in this kind of weird halfway
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spot where you're on you know if you're
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on Apple's good side of the pr with the
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PR stuff so you get the review units in
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advance but your audience is more people
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like me who would appreciate the longer
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term review but like how do you balance
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that that's good that's got to be
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well six days is not bad you know and
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it's it's just you know and part of it
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is you just have to be you know and it's
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the luxury of being a you know that i do
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this site full time they don't have
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anything else to do that i know i knew
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that i could spend all day Tuesday
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writing it you know and if I have
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evolving thoughts as I go forward I can
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just write something new I guess but I i
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found with the things and i know you
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were talking about it on on your show
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you know stuff like reaching with the
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thumb it really changes as you use the
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device it you know just to give me but
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you need a couple days and i'll tell you
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what my day one response was i I the
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draft in my head that I was writing lad
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to Wednesday's ago the first day that I
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had the device the review unit was boy
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i'm really i'm gonna have to trash the
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4-inch screen
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I really thought it was a disaster the
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first day I for exactly the reasons that
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i had worried about all along ever since
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it was rumored
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because i kept missing the buttons in
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the top corner and you know by tuesday
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it was way less of an issue and even by
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a week later it's it's really almost a
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yeah I I don't really have any trouble
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with it after about an hour of I guess I
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i my my grip adapted well for it i guess
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but i think if there's one thing I would
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change if I could go back and change my
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review I would probably actually less
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than that criticism even now on another
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week later I find that the thumb
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coverage is a lot less yeah and i really
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do think in a way and I've used like
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I've used the the Galaxy Nexus can
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always forget if it's nexusgalaxy or
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whatever the hell it's called doesn't
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matter but I've used it for two weeks at
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least two weeks where it was my primary
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phone and I never ever got used to the
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screen size on that device but i will
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say but also to Android's credit they
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don't have as much stuff at the top of
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the screen there back button is down low
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so it actually is
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it's an operating system that is better
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suited to bigger than four inch screens
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than iOS would be but I never got that
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causes other problems like with the
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keyboard i never got you are never found
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it comfortable to use one-handed or two
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like some type one handed and i think
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that you know this this should and
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probably will affect people's design
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decisions with iOS apps in particular I
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well and I you know we talked to my show
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like I don't do you hold your phone your
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no well i'd i'd go I i use it both ways
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usually right-handed though I keep it in
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my right pocket and I jeff i'm using it
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one-handed generally it's it is in my
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right hand but you know sometimes I'll
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use my left hand so I mentioned my show
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that even though I'm right-handed I keep
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my phone in my left pocket and i and i
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use it when i'm using it one-handed it
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is with my left hand holding the phone
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and using my left thumb across the
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screen and apparently like I've gotten
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so many crazy Twitter replies from
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people either saying that's really weird
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why do you do that when you're
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right-handed or people saying oh my god
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do the same thing so it seems like
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people are very spoon this but if you
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hold your phone with your left hand the
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most difficult spot to reach with your
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thumb is probably the upper right corner
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and.and I am and I guess it's a big
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problem if you hold with your right hand
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is then you're missing you're missing
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all the back buttons in the upper left
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corner that would be a bigger problem i
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think but that's exactly that's an hour
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problem that I had like I wouldn't
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design an iphone app anymore that has
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anything important in the upper corners
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if I can help it but unfortunately in
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the navigation bars do I wonder which
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hand is more common people to use all
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I've got to be the right hand has to be
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yeah I think I think so but I'm weird
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I'm my handedness is weird like I'm
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right-handed and you know very much
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right hand and I play all sports
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right-handed but i use the mouse
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left-handed so Milo that's crazy yeah
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well i would say long story short it was
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an RSI issue way back I mean long i mean
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i was in college and my wrist was my
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right wrist was just killed both wrists
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were really killing me but my right
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wrist and especially and even my right
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I mean and I really hate going to
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doctors and stuff like that but I really
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thought I I got to go to a doctor and I
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thought you know I thought maybe
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somebody had to have surgery or
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something because I and I was sort of
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terrified because I thought I don't know
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what I'm gonna do with the rest of my
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life if I can't use a mouse and keyboard
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so i switched to the left-handed mouse
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and spent like two days with from the
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house cursor was just meaning from one
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corner of the screen to the other but
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then you know within three days
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it got pretty good and I think I really
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do think long term it's actually made my
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left hand significantly more
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what's the word dextrous then it was it
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you know before I made that switch but
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if you should try that but when i use a
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trackpad I'd use it with my right thumb
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multi I mean hey make both hands great
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but anyway so I guide i use the mouse i
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use the iphone you know whichever hand
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is convenient but i doing what I do
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agree though that i also find myself and
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over two weeks I i grip the iphone
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differently i do less of a rested on the
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pinky and more of a complete side grip
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I'm always afraid of it falling
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downwards if I if I move that thing out
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of there and don't support from bottom
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I don't I feel like the texture of the
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metal really lessons that I mean anyway
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I idea my other thing that it as I've
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used this more and more that that the
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metal that the metallic field to me it
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just grows fonder and fonder as the
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weeks have gone by and it really does
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hearken back to the original iphone in a
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very very positive way
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see I'm i wish the back surface was a
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little bit more textured like even if it
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was like a little bit less smooth metal
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just some kind of slight great on it i
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think would be welcomed as right now it
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it almost feels like glorious well i
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don't know if i would say it feels like
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glass but I could see it being ever so
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slightly even more textured actually
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more slippery than the glass with with
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your friends so you got a black one
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yeah I did didn't tip skin black what do
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you think about this scratch gate
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I you know I i was i was disappointed to
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learn but this appears to be true i was
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disappointed to learn that the black
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covering is really a very thin layer on
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top right but otherwise I don't really
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care because every Apple product from
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like the last decade has had polished
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metal surfaces somewhere and I don't you
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know if if people are saying oh my god
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the scratches well you know that that's
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the life of a cell phone you know you
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can put it in a big rubbery case and
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attempt to prevent scratches and those
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don't always work or you know you can
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just enjoy it
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naked and I to I like to enjoy my naked
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i like how small is how easily goes in
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the pocket and I I just I'm i chose a
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couple years ago to just stop worrying
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about scratches in and it turns out my
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stuff is really get that scratch anyway
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cuz i'm still careful with it right
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I'm just you know I'm not gonna be
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totally crushed and in fact i hope this
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doesn't become some kind of scandal
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because you you've heard of people like
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opening up and they say that it's
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scratched out of the box
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yep i actually had time on my iphone 5 a
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very very small like a dot a very small
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spot of seemingly unpalatable surface on
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the back and I now I'm looking i can't
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even find it now but I tried like
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rubbing it and i could not get that out
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and so I assumed it was some kind of
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tiny little nick in the finish and I
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just decided not to care just like you
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know what it's even friendly box it has
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a little little speck that doesn't look
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I don't care and now look at I can't
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find it mine has I might have my
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personal one that arrived yesterday is
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black and the demo from Apple was white
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and i always prefer black and I am so
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happy now that I have this black 1i
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liked it so much more but I'm glad that
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the review unit they gave me was white
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because I got to see it and Amy had
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pre-ordered away when I think we still
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could have canceled although i guess if
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we want to cancel she would've would've
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put our order and in the back of the
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queue but at the very least though she
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did get to see it and know that you know
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feel like she made the right decision by
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pre-ordering the white one
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mine has a weird thing that I haven't
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seen anybody else talk about and I don't
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care because I'm not that obsessive
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about it but you know the don't even
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know what material is but it's like some
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kind of plastic or rubber between the
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antennas in the side the little lines
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i'm going to add a little lines on the
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side and they're black too but on the
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right side on the left there just black
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black black on the right side and this
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is it's so subtle III there's no way i
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could photograph it but on the chamfered
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chamfered part it's not black it's like
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clear it's like clear plastic on both
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the top and the bottom just on the
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little looking at the phones front it's
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the right is and so it's now the front
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or the rear chamfer front man all right
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now I'm i can't see this time I'm gonna
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try to photograph it later is that this
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that's the kind of challenge like you
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might read a lot of I don't care
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in fact it's one of those things where I
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feel like it makes my iphone using a
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unique slow snowflake
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yeah I don't think mine has that no it's
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and it's only on the one side and it's
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it's definitely not
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and I've CIA you know and it's not like
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it's not like it's likes glaring out at
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me but it's the sort of thing that
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obviously though there are some poor
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people out there and I sympathize i do
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not mock them because i have my own
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obsessions I actually sympathize but the
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the people who are truly obsessive about
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being a truly perfect iphone it's the
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sort of thing where I feel like they
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would take it back to the store and and
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see if they can get it swapped out and i
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did just discovered a very small chamfer
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scratch on one of my corners
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yeah but I still it's just hear that
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Mike I don't even know what you call
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that just that little plastic buffer
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between the engine and my frame on this
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front chamfered edge on both the top and
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it's not black it's like clear like you
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can kind of see that it's made out of
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plastic but I don't think I on the other
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side it's totally black
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I think if they do not now that I'm
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seeing it in person it now i have owned
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the black one for I don't know what is
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it a week of six days I i think it's a
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little bit too dark on the anodized
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aluminum like I i would have if they
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sold one that had black glass you know a
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black front and black glass panels but
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the regular polished aluminum like from
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the white 1i think I'd get that one it
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and it actually would look more like the
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original iphone they were well and it
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would also look a lot more like the
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iphone 4 and 4s
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well the back will be all silver the
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right from the sides would ya the sides
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would like maybe that's why they had to
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make it more different so that people
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would say oh now it's a new iPhone fine
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i don't think they really want people to
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say that i really don't i don't think
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that's something they're interested in
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and I you know I think I said this last
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week on the show with mg that I i just
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used it out and about and nobody ever
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said anything because people did it
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looks so much like it i mean like OMG
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said that like in San Francisco he got a
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few looks because it's a little bit more
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tech-savvy of a crowd like so he'd be
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using it on bart or something and you
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get like maybe somebody kind of like it
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was at the new one weekend a week ahead
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but you know here in Philadelphia nobody
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noticed that my problem at the dark with
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the darkness of the of the black metal
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is that i can't i can't really see many
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of the details and most indoor lighting
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I can't like it just looks like one big
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black slabby i did like I can't really
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tell much of a difference between the
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black glass and the aluminum which is
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not quite black and charcoal or sleep
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wherever the corner like I wish there
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was a little bit more of a difference
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it would look nicer when you think about
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my theory that the home button has been
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improved technically well your head that
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you're right i think i fixed it probably
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somebody I when they disassemble the
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founders like a big metal bracket now
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it's really reinforced and it and it
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does it feels click here i think it
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feels fantastic it's it so it's a much
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more satisfying click although you were
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wrong about one part of that you said
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that they kept the vibrator motor from
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the iphone 4s and that's incorrect they
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reverted back i don't know that i stood
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I say that our or did I just say that it
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vibrate well I think you speculated
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there yet but anyway that's wrong they
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they actually change back and remember
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you and i discovered this is at
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singleton last year that if you if you
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take an iphone 4s and if you if you hold
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it like a seesaw and you tap a certain
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part on the back then you can feel the
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vibrator vibrating loosely in there and
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it kind of makes it feel cheap or you
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know somehow wrong door broken right
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exactly but then the iphone 5 does not
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do that anymore like that the type of
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vibrator motor they switched to from the
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4s does that and add a switch back to
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the old kind which is like it's like
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it's like a counterweighted motor that
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spins with this offset weight so it
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doesn't have that weird like vibrating
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feel anymore when it's my responsibility
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fiber that myself
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I think it's an improvement by my right
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thigh is gone totally defective over the
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last five years and so when I feel
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something vibrating and it's generally
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not hide it and when my phone doesn't
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vibrate half the time i do miss it
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let's look at the Phantom vibrate is
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actually if I that's like a real ID and
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I am severely afflicted me tighter
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literally of like that i also have it i
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add a III don't know how to describe it
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but I i tend to sleep late
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I you know I usually wake up around 10
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or 11 i have a thing where at least once
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a week and our bedroom is on the second
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the third floor
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I have a thing where at least once a
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week i would say easily four times a
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month i will be woken by the doorbell
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and know that there's you know like a
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delivery you know fedex or UPS or
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something like that quick throw on a
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pair of pants and run down three flights
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of stairs and there's nobody there and
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sometimes Amy already being a kitchen
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and she'll be like doorbell and I'd be
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like yeah did it
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and she was like nope yeah okay well i'm
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up but that's how I get up and I hear it
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anyway how do you know that she's not
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just bring it to wake you uh tell me why
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because a lot of times i do it and she's
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not she's at the gym or something and
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and and she's not even home now and she
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I mean that's shoot yeah and she was she
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couldn't be bothered to do that but I
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hear it I hear the dye hear doorbells in
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this sweep then that phantom ups well
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and the other thing is that you know the
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add the half the time it really is it is
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fedex or UPS that's like a true nerds
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problem right there because it's like
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you get so many to live it's it's so
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easy i think about we got so much stuff
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mail order to us now it it would be so
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easy to be a hermit
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oh yeah but not the UPS guy stops at our
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house almost every day like it's it's
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very strange when we see him drive past
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us on the very rare because could be you
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know we we got we got everything online
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for the most part especially now that we
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have the baby like there's even less
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reason to go out shopping so we know
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amazon we have stuff coming we have
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stuff from soap.com although you know
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baby supplies and you know toiletries
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and stuff and you know apple products
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come every week or something I don't
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know whatever whenever there's new stuff
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and I like more seriously he's here
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every day like Merlin's bit where the
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unknown Merlin's likes got like a thing
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where he signed up where you know they
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get paper towels delivered on a regular
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you have to order them they just show up
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they know how many paper towels they go
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through and so every two weeks you know
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a new thing of paper towels comes from
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amazon but he thinks that instead of
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bringing it to their house they should
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drop it off x number of blocks away so
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he still has to walk to get them because
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it's just so decadent having all the
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other big thing about the Amazon
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subscribe stuff what one of these I
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found it was really good to do to use
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that for and I think it's the only thing
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i'm using it for is a the water filter
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in my fridge because they say like I
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change it every X months think it's six
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months and of course nobody ever
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remembers to do that but with mine if
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you don't change it for a while it
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starts slowing down and clogging up so i
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guess to the subscribe and save them
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with Amazon where I just have to hand
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deliver a new water filter every six
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months I don't have to think about it
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when it arrives i replace it and that's
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I want to have some exciting hit to look
00:28:40
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something up here all I second here I'm
00:28:41
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i remember this from last night and i
00:28:43
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forgot to look it up before the show
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here we go I what do you think about the
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iphone 5 camera you know I haven't had a
00:28:51
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chance to use it that much I mean so far
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it seems it seems so far like it's good
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i don't it doesn't seem in my music so
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far that different from the 4s it's a
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lot faster to take pictures but mostly I
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don't know that the a6 or what but
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that's like like when we went it was
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deciding whether to upgrade or not she
00:29:12
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wanted to do you want me to get mine
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first you can see it and then decide and
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at first she was thinking she was gonna
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upgrade but what sold her on it was the
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weight and you know the lack of weight
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and that the speed of the camera that
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you know it's because you know that we
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with the baby you if you got to take a
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good picture of the baby you really got
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to take 20 pictures and pick the one
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where he's looking at you you know and
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and not making a sour face so so the
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speed of the camera really matters to us
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right now and if you know even if you
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want to be which is convenient to to
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have fast response time and it is way
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faster but the actual image quality
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I can't tell the difference I i saw
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those comparison pictures you posted and
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it seems like the differences might only
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be in software for the most part well
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and in low-light although that is
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partially software partially hardware
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I've noticed that and I don't know if
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it's something if it's an API that they
00:30:12
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can be updated to take advantage of but
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the new low light stuff you only is I
00:30:17
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only see it when im using camera that
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like if I take a photo in Instagram
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I don't get it so that's interesting on
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and it's you know what African how they
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described it but it's more or less that
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they're sampling for pixels at once is
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sort of like they're sacrificing
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resolution and christmas for to get it
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right now yellow note right well and it
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it is kind of a butler still it's you
00:30:43
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know it's to open it up effectively open
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it up morning and they say you get 2 2
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full stops and I believe it I really do
00:30:50
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get two stops and it's a what is it like
00:30:52
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an F 2.2 lens now I think to point out
00:30:55
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to you is I'm with that thing or two is
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it a 2.4 lens but two stops from 2.4 I
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think would take it out like 1.8 which
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is serious in a low-light camera area
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and the other thing and they didn't even
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mention this it goes too much higher iso
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those right yeah that's the saw that
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that's why the low-light pictures look
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so much brighter is right there because
00:31:17
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cranking up but but it sounds like if
00:31:18
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they're actually doing that kind of
00:31:20
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super sampling whatever the term would
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be for that they combine the the light
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from four different sense from four
00:31:25
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different pixel sites that would be
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remarkably effective right and it is
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it's definitely noisy I mean you know
00:31:31
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high iso and the sampling and this
00:31:34
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really tiny lens
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I mean it's definitely noisy but your
00:31:38
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get you get exposures like you know wow
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you can see what you're looking at
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exposures in the low light that on all
00:31:45
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previous iphones would have just been
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black or you have to use the flash which
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is horrible especially like the darker
00:31:51
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it is the worst flash makes things look
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oh yeah i think this it was one tip we
00:31:56
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can get photographers using the f-15
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never use the flash right all right
00:32:00
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that's true but i would love to have an
00:32:02
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option in settings app to just turn off
00:32:04
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the flash just don't ever turn it on
00:32:08
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well that is one of the options you have
00:32:10
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in the camp in camera app you can you
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can set it you know Otto offer on you i
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just keep mine all have that everyone
00:32:16
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that gets reset identify it's like a
00:32:17
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phantom touch that you know if i
00:32:19
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accidentally touched that and do it or
00:32:21
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and sometimes other apps like if I'm
00:32:22
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taking a picture with instagram or
00:32:24
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something like that somehow the flash
00:32:25
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gets turned on and and
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I accidentally should flash photo and
00:32:29
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then I'm all I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm
00:32:31
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like to me that's when i get so
00:32:32
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embarrassed when I don't that's what i
00:32:34
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want i want to think in settings that
00:32:36
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says don't turn the flash on for any
00:32:38
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photograph in any app period just take
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the other for the flashlight apps that
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kind of have a camera into the display
00:32:44
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didn't you know let that you know let
00:32:46
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apps turn the LED on if they want but
00:32:48
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don't let camera apps do it I don't know
00:32:49
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something like that but anyway I never
00:32:51
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do it and it's it you get pictures you
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never did now this this drives me nuts
00:32:55
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this is crazy i just saw this last night
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Consumer Reports iPhone 5 review here's
00:33:01
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what they say that what did they pick
00:33:03
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this year to fence it to jump on the
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claimed improvements of the iphone 5 and
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handling low-light shots were not a
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parent in our tests and overall quality
00:33:13
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both stolen video images shot a light on
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the iphone 5 or of comparable quality to
00:33:17
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the shot the iphone 4s that they did
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appear a little cooler with a bluish hue
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shutter delay for both iphones seemed
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all but instantaneous like what the hell
00:33:26
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camera are they using that's okay yeah
00:33:30
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that's now first there's a picture next
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to it here let me send you the URL did
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they not go into low enough light to
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trigger this new mode maybe I think what
00:33:41
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they did is they used some sort of
00:33:44
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third-party app to take the pictures
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because there's a picture of them taking
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pictures and it seemed like the clock on
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yeah I don't think that's camera that
00:33:54
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app is it it looks like there's like a a
00:33:57
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status bar at the top you know that's
00:34:00
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that's listed that's the more that just
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I think that it's camera
00:34:03
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yes the picture it's a I see it's
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actually what's in the picture is well I
00:34:08
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i can I don't understand how they could
00:34:09
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have written this I don't understand how
00:34:11
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they could say that the i think it is
00:34:14
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true that in regular light broad
00:34:16
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daylight typical lighting situations the
00:34:18
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camera is very much equivalent to the
00:34:20
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the for us you know very very hard right
00:34:23
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to say one is better than the other in
00:34:24
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some of my comparison shots i think the
00:34:26
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4s1 look better and just because I
00:34:28
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tapped you know just the luck of the
00:34:30
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draw of getting slightly better sunlight
00:34:33
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or tapping a better target in that the
00:34:35
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building i was shooting it seemed like
00:34:36
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like sometimes the f-15 was over
00:34:38
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exposing the bright areas blow out the
00:34:40
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it's uh you know and I don't really
00:34:42
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think that they tried to make it sound
00:34:44
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at any point that in regular lighting
00:34:46
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situations that the new camera is all
00:34:48
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that much better i mean the old one was
00:34:50
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really good but that for consumer
00:34:53
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reports to say that it's not better in
00:34:55
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low light i don't understand i really
00:34:57
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don't understand how they could say that
00:34:58
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I mean to me that's crazy yeah that's it
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I mean I wonder really what they're
00:35:06
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testing was here like what were they
00:35:08
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taking pictures of it because it looks
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like in this picture that they're taking
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pictures of a computer screen is that I
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like your hair looks like it's very hard
00:35:15
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to tell so it looks like a windows
00:35:17
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computer you can see in the that looks
00:35:20
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like the the clock window that they have
00:35:22
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their has like a windows title bar on it
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maybe like that the gray style I don't
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know but it looked at it looks like
00:35:29
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they're definitely taking a picture of a
00:35:31
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screen there and so I have to wonder
00:35:33
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like how did they how do they do
00:35:35
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low-light comparison
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did they just turn the screen like have
00:35:38
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the screen show dark grey or something i
00:35:40
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don't think i don't i'm curious to know
00:35:42
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because you're right that there is a
00:35:44
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noticeable difference in how low light
00:35:47
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you can shoot in there with the iphone 5
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and I think any review would have
00:35:52
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noticed that if they if they didn't look
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at the camera
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yeah I really I i would like to see like
00:35:57
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one of the camera sites you know like
00:35:59
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dpreview.com or somebody like that you
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honestly I think Apple should see those
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sites with review units i think that the
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dead the iphone and apple i think apple
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is I think one of the the stories of the
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next five years honestly is that Apple
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and you know should be told samsung
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really are going to become the top
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camera companies in the world and and I
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don't think that you know like nikon is
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being completely taken by surprise here
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because I know nikon has like a an
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android-based phone i don't think it's
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out yet but i don't know that they like
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we're previewing it so they're aware of
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that but i really do think that that the
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cell phones are going to just blow away
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that the standalone camera industry may
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think they already have four for a lot
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of it but even like you know now they
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have this whole cat
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glory of the small mirrorless prosumer
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cameras and so you have the micro four
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thirds and and then you like cannons
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making a new one and I actually i
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pre-ordered the cannon one the EOS m
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because I figure out that might be
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useful you know I have this canon lenses
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even though you need an adapter and blah
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blah blah i order thinking you know I i
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would love to carry around a small
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camera sometimes that's way better than
00:37:19
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quality than the iphone and it turns out
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you know I did that two years ago with
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an s 90 and I just never use the thing
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so i ended up selling it and you know I
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have my big SLR and and the question is
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you know what do you do to solve two to
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solve times when you don't want to bring
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the whole SLR with you or you don't have
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it with you but you want something
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higher quality then the iphone and the
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problem is that gap keeps narrowing and
00:37:45
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its narrow to the point where if you if
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you get one of those middle cameras
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it's like how often will you actually
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use that thing how often will you have
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that but not the SLR you know and and
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for me this why i'm thinking i'm
00:38:02
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probably going to cancel that pre-order
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because I just that that that solves a
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problem is I don't have anywhere that I
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i know in reality you instead what i did
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was i I got a little 40-millimeter
00:38:13
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pancake lens that can really i got a
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couple months ago and it's not amazing
00:38:18
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but it's decent and and so I got that
00:38:20
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little pancake lens and I just keep that
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on the 5d and so whenever we take a trip
00:38:24
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somewhere where I'm bringing like a
00:38:26
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backpack with the computer and
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everything I thought I talked the whole
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5d in there with that lens on it yeah it
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makes you have the exact same camera too
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and it makes a big difference is my
00:38:33
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other go to lens is is my baby and you
00:38:36
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know what i'm talking about talking
00:38:37
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about that the 1.25 yeah the one point w
00:38:40
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mean what I'm dive blacked out
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I've already blacked out on my memory
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what did I pay for that what is that I
00:38:45
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think it's 1600 that's a 1600 dollar
00:38:47
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camera lights it is my baby but it's a
00:38:51
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great lens but it's huge it's huge it is
00:38:53
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how do you get f 1 point2 with a lot of
00:38:57
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oh yeah so it's a lot of glass which
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means it's really heavy and it's a lot
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of glass and you know it's made of glass
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and so you do not want to drop that
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oh yeah where is like a little pancake
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lens of you know it'sit's 40-millimeter
00:39:10
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it's 200 bucks right and it's it's a
00:39:12
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pancake prime and it fits any can do
00:39:14
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smell ya its if it's great you're going
00:39:16
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to wear your camera around your neck all
00:39:18
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day it makes a huge difference and then
00:39:21
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also if you if you're putting in a back
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into the problem with a camera is if
00:39:24
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you're putting any kind of thin or
00:39:26
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rectangular battle messenger bag the
00:39:28
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shape of a camera with a lens mount on
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it is like this big bulbous shape it's
00:39:31
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not just flat and the the 40 millimeter
00:39:34
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pancake makes it a lot flatter him
00:39:36
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that's what makes it so that the only
00:39:39
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see i have one right ovary
00:39:42
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yes see the the the 40 millimeter lens
00:39:47
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extends out from the 5d mark two just
00:39:50
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about maybe a half of an inch beyond the
00:39:54
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little little blob on top sellers cannon
00:39:58
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points out what but that you usually
00:39:59
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would be a flash if it wasn't a
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professional camera
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yeah so I think it's really short and so
00:40:03
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it makes it fit into bags a lot better
00:40:05
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just to have the reduction of of lens
00:40:08
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depth with it yeah throw that thing on
00:40:10
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your 5d and it kind of is your gap
00:40:12
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camera right exactly and and it's you
00:40:16
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know that's why I like I mean sure they
00:40:18
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like the EOS m and these marrows cameras
00:40:20
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they are a lot smaller than the 5d body
00:40:21
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is pretty big and chunky
00:40:23
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so these things are a lot smaller but
00:40:24
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it's still relatively the same size
00:40:26
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class it's like like it's like comparing
00:40:29
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a 13-inch macbook air to a big mac book
00:40:33
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►
pro like yeah that the air is a lot
00:40:36
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smaller but it's like it's still the
00:40:38
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same general size class of object so
00:40:41
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chances are if you are somewhere or in
00:40:44
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some situation where it's impractical or
00:40:47
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impossible to carry a 13-inch macbook or
00:40:51
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to carry you know a macbook pro you
00:40:53
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probably also won't be carrying a
00:40:55
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macbook air right similar kind of thing
00:40:57
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is this if you're in a situation where
00:41:00
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you can't carry an SLR with the 40
00:41:02
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►
millimeter lens on it you probably also
00:41:04
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won't have any little mirrorless camera
00:41:06
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with you because they don't fit in
00:41:07
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pockets right unless you have a really
00:41:09
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big pockets but for the most part they
00:41:10
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don't fit in pockets so if they're still
00:41:12
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they start to go look in a bag or
00:41:14
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something so it's still the same
00:41:15
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►
portability class
00:41:17
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absolutely agree and it's I used to
00:41:22
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I'm you know as a amateur you know photo
00:41:25
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►
enthusiasts certainly not a serious
00:41:27
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photographer but you know enjoy taking
00:41:29
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pictures and dan and I used to talk
00:41:32
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about all the time I Rico Jesus don't
00:41:36
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forget what the hell is called gr
00:41:38
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something that you are one we are one
00:41:39
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which i paid i think in 2006 i paid a
00:41:43
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hundred bucks for which is a lot for a
00:41:45
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little point and shoot camera but I I
00:41:48
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►
loved that camera is one of the great
00:41:50
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►
continue no greatest 800 dollars i've
00:41:52
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►
ever spent my life it has sadly given up
00:41:57
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►
the ghost it doesn't really work that
00:41:58
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well anymore like powered on and
00:42:00
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sometimes the lens get stuck and stuff
00:42:02
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like that you know and like it I don't
00:42:05
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►
know and the software gets stuck
00:42:07
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►
sometimes where it's on but it it won't
00:42:09
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take pictures so edgy but I just even if
00:42:11
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►
it worked perfectly i would never carry
00:42:13
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►
around anymore though because the whole
00:42:15
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reason I loved it was that it took such
00:42:17
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great pictures for a point-and-shoot and
00:42:19
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it took such great pictures in low-light
00:42:21
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without a flash and that is the one
00:42:25
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►
thing that I'd like for the last year or
00:42:28
◼
►
2 i'd been on the fence about replacing
00:42:30
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►
that either with the latest ricoh gr
00:42:33
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►
whatever or probably with the one that I
00:42:36
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►
think is probably taken its place the
00:42:38
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►
canon s110 before that the s95 which
00:42:42
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►
actually looks a lot like a little black
00:42:43
◼
►
point-and-shoot from Canon which is a
00:42:47
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►
fantastic camera really is really fast
00:42:49
◼
►
lens and it shoots nice video and stuff
00:42:53
◼
►
like that but it's really gotten to the
00:42:55
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►
point and the five the iphone 5 really
00:42:57
◼
►
has gotten to the point now where with
00:42:59
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►
the low-light performance so that you
00:43:00
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►
know you can take pictures of people at
00:43:02
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►
dinner and stuff like that
00:43:03
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►
ah it's not as good it does definitely
00:43:07
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►
is not as good it doesn't take pictures
00:43:09
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►
as good as the s100 but it's close
00:43:11
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►
enough and so much more radically
00:43:14
◼
►
convenient that what's the you know it's
00:43:19
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►
just did is no way I'm ever going to buy
00:43:21
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►
a point-and-shoot again I don't think
00:43:22
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►
exactly and and you know and it's easy
00:43:25
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►
for us you know but like I think a lot
00:43:27
◼
►
of people took a similar path that we
00:43:30
◼
►
did at least that I
00:43:31
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►
did where you kind you discover
00:43:33
◼
►
photography through these awesome SLR is
00:43:36
◼
►
over the last five six years that have
00:43:38
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►
existed and you know I've heard a lot of
00:43:41
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►
people in our circle of you nerds a nerd
00:43:42
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►
friends that are like us who have done
00:43:46
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►
this path and once you get used to the
00:43:49
◼
►
quality from an SLR even a bad SLR like
00:43:51
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►
even the lowest end ones i guess that is
00:43:54
◼
►
the wrong word but he even the lowest
00:43:55
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►
end slrs bottom of the line
00:43:58
◼
►
canon rebel yeah basic can travel you
00:44:00
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►
know like the even the s-series i think
00:44:02
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►
is that the cheapest one now right
00:44:04
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►
even that has way better quality than
00:44:08
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►
what you get from the s90 and that's
00:44:09
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►
what exactly exactly because the sensor
00:44:11
◼
►
is so much bigger the optics are so much
00:44:13
◼
►
bigger there's it the tolerances are way
00:44:15
◼
►
different it's even that is way better
00:44:17
◼
►
quality so like I found with the s90 one
00:44:20
◼
►
of the reasons why i didn't really care
00:44:22
◼
►
for it besides I would always forget to
00:44:24
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►
bring with me was that optically it
00:44:27
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►
didn't hold a candle to what I had the
00:44:29
◼
►
time was the rebel right and it it
00:44:33
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►
didn't even compare
00:44:34
◼
►
so if you're going to convert basically
00:44:35
◼
►
if you're going to compromise on quality
00:44:36
◼
►
and all point-and-shoots are severely
00:44:38
◼
►
compromise quality even you're not even
00:44:40
◼
►
your beloved s100 everybody that's right
00:44:43
◼
►
i would rather compromise with the
00:44:45
◼
►
iphone camera and hat and make up for
00:44:48
◼
►
that with software right so you exactly
00:44:51
◼
►
what filters on it you can deal with it
00:44:53
◼
►
right there and you can Instagram it
00:44:54
◼
►
right away right it doesn't hardly even
00:44:57
◼
►
make sense anymore to have a camera that
00:44:58
◼
►
you can't upload the picture immediately
00:45:01
◼
►
oh yeah that's why did you see that the
00:45:03
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►
new cannon what is that the 6d I think
00:45:07
◼
►
it's a 6d they're there they just
00:45:10
◼
►
announced it like two weeks ago they're
00:45:11
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►
releasing it soon and it's the first
00:45:13
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►
canon camera that had that has as far as
00:45:16
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►
i know this the first SLR that has Wi-Fi
00:45:18
◼
►
built in me and GPS so they're kind of
00:45:21
◼
►
getting towards right a smartphone-like
00:45:24
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►
obviously there's still a long way to go
00:45:26
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►
there but I feel like it was it was kind
00:45:28
◼
►
of a waste to not put that in their
00:45:30
◼
►
high-end 5d mark 3 or in their portable
00:45:33
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►
cosm you know but anyway it I i think
00:45:37
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►
going back to original point that you're
00:45:38
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right and you know it it seems obvious
00:45:41
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►
but I think it's really worth pointing
00:45:43
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►
this out that
00:45:44
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►
the market for non professional cameras
00:45:48
◼
►
is pretty much gone and it's just you
00:45:51
◼
►
know they don't only market for pdas
00:45:53
◼
►
right it's and high notes by pas and and
00:45:56
◼
►
the store shelves like when you walk
00:45:57
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►
into target they don't reflect that yet
00:45:59
◼
►
there still is a counter where you can
00:46:01
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►
go and choose from
00:46:02
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►
30 different point-and-shoot cameras but
00:46:05
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I think that's going away I really
00:46:06
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►
didn't and you know and people still are
00:46:08
◼
►
buying them like you know my mom has a
00:46:10
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►
point-and-shoot camera but how many more
00:46:12
◼
►
years like when the current one dies
00:46:15
◼
►
Wilshere replace it at me about that
00:46:18
◼
►
time should be using a smartphone that
00:46:20
◼
►
has a better camera in it right
00:46:21
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►
you know I don't know and like it i
00:46:24
◼
►
think everybody complained of people in
00:46:25
◼
►
their lives they know who have
00:46:26
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►
point-and-shoots now but if you think
00:46:27
◼
►
about all right let's say that last
00:46:29
◼
►
night of 34 years then what you know
00:46:31
◼
►
what phone will they be using in three
00:46:33
◼
►
or four years
00:46:34
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►
it's ok we'll we'll become more thing
00:46:36
◼
►
for them to replace that camera it's
00:46:37
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►
like non-smartphone phones
00:46:39
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►
I mean they're dry exactly are there and
00:46:41
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►
I guess point-and-shoot cameras will
00:46:42
◼
►
never truly go away but then they're
00:46:43
◼
►
going to become like this little thing
00:46:45
◼
►
that only a very handful of people use
00:46:48
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►
on i mentioned this a few weeks ago
00:46:50
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►
where I was actually had to go into I
00:46:53
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►
didn't have to but i wanted to sounds
00:46:55
◼
►
weird go into a verizon retail store
00:46:58
◼
►
long story short because we're switching
00:47:01
◼
►
from AT&T we could only buy we could
00:47:05
◼
►
only preorder one iphone from apple
00:47:07
◼
►
which makes sense i think it has soft
00:47:12
◼
►
you know it might even be related to the
00:47:14
◼
►
unlocked sim thing where they don't want
00:47:18
◼
►
to sell you subsidized iphones before
00:47:22
◼
►
they know that you're you know not going
00:47:24
◼
►
to take them all to China right actually
00:47:27
◼
►
I actually don't blame them for this
00:47:29
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►
even though it was a bit of an
00:47:29
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►
irritation and that's why my iphone
00:47:31
◼
►
didn't get here till yesterday instead
00:47:32
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►
of on day one but we had to preorder one
00:47:39
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►
and then get it set up before we could
00:47:42
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►
add another one to the account and so I
00:47:43
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►
went into a verizon store just to see if
00:47:45
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►
there was any way that I could short
00:47:46
◼
►
change that and just a hit here can you
00:47:48
◼
►
discharged my credit card now and let me
00:47:50
◼
►
open an account or do we have to have
00:47:52
◼
►
the device and that Bob bottom line is
00:47:54
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►
you have to have the
00:47:55
◼
►
vice and I actually even thought about
00:47:56
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►
buying a just a burner just get like a
00:48:01
◼
►
forty-dollar whatever so that i could
00:48:03
◼
►
have a verizon account and i could add
00:48:05
◼
►
iphones and then I honestly and I I'd
00:48:09
◼
►
like a moment of like wisdom I was like
00:48:12
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►
you know what
00:48:13
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►
don't throw another forty dollars okay
00:48:15
◼
►
just wait just wait
00:48:16
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►
it's not going to kill you to wait and
00:48:17
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►
so i did it i love how the option you
00:48:20
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►
never considered was getting android
00:48:22
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alright but I don't know here's the
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thing that makes me bring it up right
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now is I there's that it was actually
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hard when the idea occurred to me in the
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store maybe i'll just buy the cheapest
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phone i can get it open a verizon
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account it was actually hard to find
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them and they're very few of them left
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it's really the right you know verizon
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retail store is really a smartphone and
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even tablet store the tablets are more
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prominent of course yeah they want you
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know they're higher priced and that you
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know it makes sense that the cheap
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phones aren't actually I think they
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really rip people off on those those
00:48:53
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cheap phones they're actually expensive
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i remember yeah you feel like a hundred
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bucks for one yeah i remember 10 years
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ago they were free or or or almost free
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i got my phone that I had before the
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iphone was just this POS nokia thing
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although it did make good phone calls i
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I've very distinctly remember that I'd i
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did get it on a contract i guess but i
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paid like nineteen dollars for it was
00:49:15
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like 1995 with the two-year contract and
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a you know very reasonable all I was
00:49:19
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paying for there's no data always just
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minutes you know your family 40 50 bucks
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on what you can get and if they had a
00:49:25
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$19 phone i probably would have done it
00:49:27
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and just bought the $19 verizon phone
00:49:29
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and open an account but they didn't they
00:49:32
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were all like 5050 box-like and that's
00:49:35
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the reason why is because they they they
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know because they don't require you to
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buy data plans for all the like random
00:49:41
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android smartphones do that I think I
00:49:44
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think it's still optional but they know
00:49:46
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that if you buy this phone for 40 bucks
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for fifty bucks you're spending 40 bucks
00:49:52
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a month that contract but that they know
00:49:54
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that if they can upsell you to a
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smartphone that there's no X percentage
00:49:59
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chance that you're going to opt for data
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plan I think and that's going to get
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them way more money over the course of
00:50:04
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that contract so i think it's in their
00:50:06
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best interest to price those flip phones
00:50:08
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fairly unappealing Lee close to
00:50:10
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smartphones like well you can get this
00:50:11
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flip phone 429 dollars or you can get
00:50:14
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this low end android phone for 15
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I don't know if they'll sell you one
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without a dataplan I don't know seems we
00:50:20
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would seem weird to sell you a
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smartphone with a data plan but maybe
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they do I don't know either way like you
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know if they don't require they know
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that some percentage people will be able
00:50:30
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to be up sold to it and if they do
00:50:32
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require then that's a hundred percent so
00:50:34
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it's either way they know that if they
00:50:36
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can get you into an android phone rather
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than a flip phone
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they have a much better chance of making
00:50:41
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more money from you in the long run
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yeah let me take a break and it's
00:50:45
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actually a good point because we were
00:50:46
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just talking about cameras and an
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advantage of having software right on
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really is it's almost like the anti IRS
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little controls on screen very
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complicated game your video super simple
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you open it up either shoot a video for
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you grab one from your library and you
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just have this simple little stuff at
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the bottom of the screen for doing
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things like slow motion and Instagram
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style filters that all get applied live
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you don't pick a filter and then sit
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there and wait while it renders you can
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just you can actually change the filters
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while you're playing the video or while
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you're shooting the video in the app
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it's kind of amazing considering how
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putting filters like that on still
00:51:48
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photos in apps like with hipstamatic
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takes like 30 seconds to like render an
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image they're doing it live in video
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really really cool stuff that's
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uh it really is i had almost it you play
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with it and it's like I kind of can't
00:52:04
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believe this is possible and as you know
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works on all the iphone still works on
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iphone 4 4 s not like you need the
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iphone 5 for it they call the
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interaction what they call here they
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call it play and change so you the whole
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point is that your you can change the
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while you're playing the video on the
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fly to see how it looks really really
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cool stuff i first saw it I saw this app
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this year at macworld expo in san
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francisco and it won the app one best to
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show the best to show award from
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macworld magazine well deserved and I
00:52:40
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just remember thinking on the show for I
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remember thinking like that it really
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seems fake like I actually I didn't want
00:52:47
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to accuse them of it but I really wanted
00:52:49
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to play with it in my hand to make sure
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that I wasn't watching a candid demo of
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these filters being applied the video as
00:52:57
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you as it goes without any kind of
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hiccup or pause or rendering mode or
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anything like that
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really really cool app so here's the URL
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great app see me on Charlie Rose last
00:53:42
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yeah i did it was pretty cool was pretty
00:53:44
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cool i'll tell you what my one regret
00:53:45
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speaking a camera apps is my one the one
00:53:48
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answer i wish i had back was when he
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asked what does this not do that you
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wish it did I and I said first thing I
00:53:57
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you know you're under the gun you're on
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live TV I thought while I wish it had
00:54:00
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like double the battery life instead of
00:54:02
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like one day a battery life i wish i had
00:54:03
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double right two days a typical use and
00:54:06
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then i can get through one day of like
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heavy you set a conference like in
00:54:11
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theory just blue sky what you know what
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I wish the iphone had that it doesn't in
00:54:16
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hindsight what I wish I'd said was i
00:54:19
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wish i wish is shot near SLR caliber
00:54:23
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photographs like that's my dream for
00:54:25
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like where I hope the iphone is five
00:54:27
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years from now as I hope that it you
00:54:31
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know that it can take I don't know you
00:54:33
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know the laws of physics are actually
00:54:34
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hurting them
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with regard to how thin these things are
00:54:38
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in a way that caramelization you know
00:54:39
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really need big glass and biggest enters
00:54:42
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and distance from the glass to the
00:54:44
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sensor but they've got smart people i
00:54:46
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don't know they can figure it out
00:54:48
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that's just you know pie-in-the-sky I
00:54:49
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wish that the iphone could shoot me I
00:54:52
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won't say SLR quality but near SLR
00:54:55
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quality i wonder if there's some way and
00:54:57
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please email john i wonder if there's
00:55:00
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some way that too to combine a bunch of
00:55:03
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small sensors and small lens is like a
00:55:05
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mosquito I like just like a like a grid
00:55:08
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that way you mean
00:55:10
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and somehow combine those into one
00:55:12
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coherent image i don't know if that's
00:55:14
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possible or if the results would be good
00:55:16
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or not is next that's kind of what that
00:55:17
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little love was a little box camera that
00:55:19
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was the novelty with 3d focusing like
00:55:21
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lycra micro electro electro that's it
00:55:24
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kind of like what they were going for
00:55:26
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but not quite
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I i'm sure people have tried this I
00:55:31
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wonder if if that's the direction Apple
00:55:33
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go in the future
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basically have like you know it wouldn't
00:55:36
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it would probably they probably make it
00:55:37
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look like one big camera on the back but
00:55:39
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to have like you know an array of maybe
00:55:41
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four sensors with four little micro
00:55:42
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lenses on them and then one big ones in
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front of a kind of masking well and I
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really do think that that sort of
00:55:48
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pushing limits thinking is exactly
00:55:51
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what's going on with the low-light
00:55:52
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photos here in the iphone 5 you know
00:55:55
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where they're doing this thing where
00:55:56
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they're sampling for pixels at once to
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get a pixel of the image and I maybe
00:56:02
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there is something they could do like
00:56:03
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that where you know somehow I guess I
00:56:07
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could just be one big sensors with just
00:56:08
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with different lenses on the front right
00:56:10
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an array of letters from the really does
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need to be separate sense
00:56:12
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yeah just rethink the way that all thats
00:56:13
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you know all that stuff works and i
00:56:15
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really do think I do get the impression
00:56:17
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that I mean they don't pitch it that way
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they pitched it as hey it's a great
00:56:21
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great great never better and better than
00:56:24
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ever before camera in your phone but i
00:56:28
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really do think that Apple sees itself
00:56:30
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now as it has a camera company that
00:56:33
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that's one of the things that's like a
00:56:34
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top-tier priority for them
00:56:36
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I really do and it's this combination of
00:56:39
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camera hardware and lens and
00:56:42
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and you know the sapphires you know
00:56:45
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coding and stuff like that combined with
00:56:47
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software you know in the in the api's
00:56:52
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for controlling the camera they don't
00:56:54
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give developers access to raw settings
00:56:57
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like iso or aperture is far as i know
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that i know there's no I so control as
00:57:01
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far as I know there's no aperture
00:57:02
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control there might be exposure control
00:57:05
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yeah there's definitely exposure control
00:57:06
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least like you can set where it focuses
00:57:08
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in the photo but you know I wonder if
00:57:11
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the reason why they haven't expose this
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yet you know at this point if there's
00:57:15
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something and something missing in iOS
00:57:17
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or the API is at this point it's
00:57:20
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probably a conscious decision not to
00:57:22
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offer that rather than they could have
00:57:24
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gotten to that yet
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yeah i think it's like they want to they
00:57:26
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haven't gotten to it yet for like iOS
00:57:28
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one through four or so but now it's like
00:57:30
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if they don't offer something now they
00:57:31
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probably have decided not to offer that
00:57:33
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and and I I think maybe with the camera
00:57:36
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to manual fine-grain controls maybe they
00:57:39
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aren't offering that to be able to then
00:57:43
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rely more on software optimization I
00:57:46
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definitely think so i think it's you
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know that to them the camera is this
00:57:50
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black to from a developer's standpoint
00:57:51
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into this black box and inside the black
00:57:54
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box is hardware and software together
00:57:57
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right and they don't want developers to
00:58:00
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be setting the controls themselves in
00:58:02
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apple want to be able to say for this
00:58:05
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device and for this hardware and for
00:58:06
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this lighting situation we know better
00:58:08
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and we're gonna do optimizations and
00:58:10
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your work is going to hand you an array
00:58:12
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of of finished pixel image here here's
00:58:15
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another way here's another crazy thing
00:58:17
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from that just while we're on the
00:58:19
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consumer reports story is the next
00:58:21
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paragraph we also tried out the new
00:58:22
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panorama feature and it just died to
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bring this up because it's related to
00:58:26
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this software as part of the camera
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which is all you know the panorama thing
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is software we tried out a new panorama
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feature to the camera which allows you
00:58:34
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to take it 240 degree wide angle still
00:58:36
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image it worked well and comparatively
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to similar features now found on android
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phones one quibble the feature only
00:58:45
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works in portrait model i guess.i guess
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sick and there's no alert when you shoot
00:58:55
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in landscape which can mean trial and
00:58:58
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error when you shoot your first
00:58:59
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panoramic shot so they devoted a whole
00:59:03
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is that's true well no it does work in
00:59:08
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when you hold the camera in landscape
00:59:10
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but then you have to move up and down so
00:59:12
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you can rush it so you know you can
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shoot a pan or they're complaining that
00:59:17
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you can't go side to side when you hold
00:59:18
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it sideways and it does it is a little
00:59:21
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counterintuitive at first because you
00:59:22
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think i'm shooting this crazy white
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image I'll hold the camera wide to but
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if you think about it it actually makes
00:59:30
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more sense that you hold it in portrait
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to shoot these things because then
00:59:35
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you're getting significantly more data
00:59:38
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vertically right yeah right because
00:59:42
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you're don't have to worry about how
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much data you're getting with each
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sample of the camera horizontally
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because you're going to pan you're
00:59:49
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panning your hand you're going to get it
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all anyway it's up and down where you're
00:59:53
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getting more you're actually getting you
00:59:54
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know it makes total sense that they do
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it this way although it is true that the
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first time you use it the very
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first time you use it the very
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very first time you shoot one time with
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panoramic thing you're very likely to
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make a mistake and hold the camera
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sideways so what if it everybody you do
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it one time using oh okay I get it you
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just throw that you scrap that one and
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then you'll never do it again
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like why complain about it and they if
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they didn't copy edit this sentence
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yeah and if you're thinking how much
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effort they put into the right it
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obviously didn't think about and if it
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worked the way they are saying that they
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think it should then you wouldn't be
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able to take a vertical panorama and
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I've seen some pictures people have
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taken like out of skyscrapers where
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you're like looking down out of a window
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where you move your hand up and down and
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it looks fantastic like a you know an
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up-and-down panorama yeah anyway i just
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it seems like you know Consumer Reports
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has at I lost a lot of respect for them
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over the last couple years with their
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various iphone hijacks and and it just
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seems like they look for problems first
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and i know that's kind of their job in
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most of their product reviews it's like
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fine what's wrong with this car you know
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find out what sucks about this air
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conditioner but with phones it you know
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if there is such a complex landscape of
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you know you can't sum up a phone in
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three paragraphs and you know a bullet
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list of five criteria like you really
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can't stop any phone that way
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android/ios even blackberry for God's
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sake and but it seems like they they
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approached phones the same way they
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would approach testing a dishwasher and
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age doesn't work like they they pick
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three or four criteria ignoring
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everything else and they they make
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judgments based on those things that
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they don't really have anything to do
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with it or you know might might might
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only apply to a very small portion of
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its users or things like that it's just
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kind of weird how they approach these
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things and it also seems like they judge
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iphones with far more scrutiny than the
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other phones they review
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yeah like the things they complain about
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with iphones like android phones they
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review have many problems like that and
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they'll mention them
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yeah and and people say you know the
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people who hate apple say you know that
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that you know you know like within
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antennagate is ground zero of this
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debate for with a no doubt because it I
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don't think antennagate happens without
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consumer reports i really don't
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consumer reports made that happen and it
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ends up they were they made a mountain
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out of a molehill it the iphone 4 on gsm
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remains at a best-selling phone it's
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like that still the third best-selling
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phone at AT&T ahead and have you haven't
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changed that writes them if they have
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now there was room for improvement in
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that antenna design no doubt and it they
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improved it six months later in the cdma
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version and they improved it again in
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the 4s and they've improved it again now
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in the five but they're still using that
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did that antenna you know and all the
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people who said that this was a huge
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mistake apple doesn't you know there's a
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reason that none of the people who
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really know how to make phones like
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nokia and samsung I've ever done an
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external camera are an antenna you know
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what a disaster you know looks over
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functionality you know all those
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complaints here we are three years later
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and they're still using that intended
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design in the iphone 5 yeah I mean of
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course you know it's better than it was
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here that one and another one of my
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devices went off told you it was found
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one that didn't didn't have the mute
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switch on they blew it and I do think
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that they absolutely look and they don't
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do it with other devices they really
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yeah it seems like the iphones underway
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more screw and by the way in retrospect
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you know having having an iphone4 with
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both me and my wife at the proximity
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sensor was way more of an issue
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yeah totally and they didn't even really
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mention that and like I think if anybody
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was going to make a big deal out of
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something being poorly designed on the
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iphone 4 it's the proximity sensor
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because a lot of people had issues with
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that like my wife and get her constantly
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I hit me sometimes even and like I and
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and they quietly fix that I think with
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the 4s is when they find that I don't
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think the cdma version really fixed up
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with the forest they definitely have
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fixed it by that
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and that got almost no attention at all
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yeah yeah speaking of antennas I want to
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ask you about a the iphone 5 LTE and
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battery life thing if you look at this
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much no single talking about this side
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of heaven roundabout so of course
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whenever any apple hardware or software
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product gets launched everyone says it
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makes the battery life works and
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sometimes it actually does and sometimes
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it just doesn't people think it does and
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and so some background here as i'm sure
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you know but for listeners when a cell
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phone cannot get a good signal but it
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usually does is start amping up its
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transmitted power so that in poor signal
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strength it turns up its power to try to
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reach more towers and try to get better
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signals so it burns through battery life
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faster in areas of port of porno
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coverage and that is probably also why
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it tends to get hotter when you have
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exactly because using more power so I've
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seen some reports and of that I think
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yesterday and today of people saying the
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iphone 5 is having bad battery life
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because it is trying to reach LTE
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signals in areas like where I live I
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have LTE like on some blocks of my
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neighborhood and not others my house
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does not have LTE because my house is
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not worth covering for any verizon for
01:05:45
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any wireless carrier very well but at
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least AT&T cover the partially so like
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you know I'm in an area with spotty LTE
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coverage and by the way I look like 10
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miles from Manhattan and this has body
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LTE coverage thanks Katie but it's a
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long 10 miles
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yeah hit this so you know I so I've seen
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these reports people specially now I
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don't know how they designed the LT
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radio I I don't know if if that's doing
01:06:15
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the same thing where if it can't fit has
01:06:17
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a 3g signal that's perfectly fine but it
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can't get an LTE signal doesn't amp up
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transmit power for a while look for one
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and then give up i like I don't know how
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to program that but i think that that
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could have an effect on battery life and
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like if you're somewhere where there's
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just no LTE coverage at all or it's very
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maybe turning off LTE in the settings
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might be better if i don't know but i
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would I assume they would have designed
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the radio software a little bit better
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so that it was more tolerant of that I I
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can't say that I i I've had better if
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anything the longer I you i've used the
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iphone 5 i've had better battery life
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than I did on the for us and which blows
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me away because it's thinner and lighter
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and so I can't help but think that the
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batteries smaller and it's on LTE not 4g
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and but I get through the day easily and
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the other day and I don't even know why
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I did this because i'm going to send it
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back I'm gonna pack it up and send it
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back by the end of the week to apple the
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review unit but i did the thing where
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you're I don't even know why Apple still
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does recommend it that every once in a
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while you should use the whole thing run
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the battery down to zero and then
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recharge it like like they're you know
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how to get your best battery life
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suggesting page for iphone still says to
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do that so I did it even though I was
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the review unit so who cares if the
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thing is you know I don't know I just
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wanted to see what happened because I'd
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never want to run it all the way down
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and I got the 20-percent warning and I
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kept using it and I wasn't doing
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anything I wasn't doing something
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specifically to run the battery life
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down i wasn't like playing video or
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something or streaming stuff i was just
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using the phone and then I got the
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10-percent warning about what I would
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expect to and I couldn't get the damn
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thing to you run all the way down after
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the 10-percent warning it just kept
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going and going and it was getting later
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at night and I was like getting ready to
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go to bed and I'd kind of wanted it to
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go down before i went i wanted to just
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go all the way down and then you know
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then go to bed and it wouldn't you know
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it took forever a guy was amazing you
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know I just think that those those ten
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percent things it's like that that's all
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sort of it is guessing i thinkyeah is
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your battery chemistry is very
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complicated and and yeah they're all
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those are all just estimates but i got i
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found usually the ones you get the
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10-percent warning you really better
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find a charge it might only have my
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experience I you know and maybe that
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speaks to the fact that the brand new
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phone the it isn't is calibrated as well
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as you think it isn't as accurate but
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anyway I've had great battery life
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I had trouble running the damn thing
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down 20 yeah I've had a little bit less
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battery life or so it seemed but then I
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realized and I think this might apply to
01:08:52
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a lot of people the reason why my phone
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kept getting lower and lower is because
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I don't really have anything around the
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house with the Lightning port that I
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have rested in to plug it in so like
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before we had we had the speaker docks
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in a couple of rooms and so like every
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time we didn't eat a meal or if I'm like
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washing the dishes I one of the kitchen
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so i would put the phone on speaker dock
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and play podcast or something i'm gonna
01:09:14
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use myself up a little bit of charge and
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it was charging hold it you know it's an
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AC power doctor would charge and it
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would be charging there for like you
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know 20 minutes at least 20-30 minutes
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so throughout the day my phone would
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keep getting these little sips of power
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and that would power it up and you know
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now I don't have lightning ports
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anywhere really accepted i I just I went
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to the apple store the day finally got
01:09:37
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some extra cables but you know i'm not
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putting in docs all day and various
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different locations so I i think that
01:09:44
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might be happening to a lot of people
01:09:46
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who Union you think this has worked
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battery life but in reality this effect
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is biting you
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yeah maybe this this effect is you know
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saying oh wait a minute you know it's
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just because I'm not plugging it in as
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much to it was a real pain for the first
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couple of days when I only had one
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lightning cable and it was like where
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the hell is it I God's upstairs to him
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and I gotta go upstairs and I kept
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moving minor what happens to my computer
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and then upstairs to you know for
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charging overnight and the one day i was
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actually walking around the house with
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it around my neck like just like a scarf
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maybe it was like you look like such an
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asshole i was like i just i I'd I need
01:10:24
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this cable that's correct i like the
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calculator watching them in the
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modern-day equivalent I also spent one
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day over the weekend the first weekend I
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had it at a family thing
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way outside the city where there is no
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LTE it was on verizon 3g and I was in
01:10:41
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fact and then there was a Yankees game
01:10:43
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on so I was streaming it over 3g and I
01:10:48
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battery life was excellent now maybe it
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was so far outside LTE range that it
01:10:52
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wasn't even doing that if this
01:10:53
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hypothesis is correct that if you're on
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spell te coverage it will spend too much
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energy trying to get on LTE rather than
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just using the 3g or whatever is
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available maybe I was so far outside of
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LTE range that it wasn't even trying i
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don't know but i had to i was streaming
01:11:10
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live video over 3g and got excellent
01:11:13
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battery life
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ya ever go to the wire cutter that's
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Brian lamb of formal sometimes i like it
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it's a good site
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ah I don't always agree with their
01:11:23
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recommendations but i like this one but
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I they do things they do they do this
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the way I think consumer reports should
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be I think there's room for like
01:11:30
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somebody to come in and be like the new
01:11:33
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consumer reports and maybe that you know
01:11:35
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the wire cutter is that for technology
01:11:38
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but i like the way that they do this one
01:11:40
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instead of giving you this stupid matrix
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of seven different criteria rated from
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zero to five circles and write half
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circles and blue circles and blue half
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circles and all they should they just
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say you here at TVs the best TV here it
01:11:55
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is it's the panasonic tc-p st50 best TV
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under six hundred dollars i will get
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this one best small TV get that one and
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that's it that's their TV section the
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best one the best one under a certain
01:12:07
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price and the best one that small it's
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certainly a lot more helpful it really i
01:12:12
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think it really is because that's you
01:12:15
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know that's really what you want like
01:12:16
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you don't you don't necessarily want to
01:12:17
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see you know and you know i should say
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before last year when there for us
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review annoyed me I was a consumer
01:12:24
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reports online subscriber for like six
01:12:26
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years and i would go there and check
01:12:28
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whenever I want and you know during this
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time I've gone through many different
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apartments and we finally bought a house
01:12:32
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like I bought a lot of small appliances
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dishwasher is air conditioners even a
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washer/dryer you know usually window air
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conditioners for the various departments
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and and you know we we would always
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check consumer reports in a vacuum
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cleaner with anything i bought that was
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an appliance type thing I would always
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check there and it was usually not very
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helpful because well this and partly
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partly because it was it was you know
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the stupid thing where you can't buy the
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same air conditioner two years in a row
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to change the models and each story go
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to a different models their own
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exclusive and Bob but even when I could
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find the ones they recommended it like
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they would do like you know one report
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every three years on which humidifier
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was the best and it wouldn't even give
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you a conclusion it would be like well
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this is kind of good this is kind of
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good this is kind of loud and this is
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too expensive and that's not really what
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I want you know I just tell me which one
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to buy now and that's what the wire
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cutter does like just you know fight
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through all the bullshit and just tell
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me which one to buy really wish I really
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wish more people would take that route
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now we're an hour into the show or over
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an hour and shown we haven't even talked
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about maps yet I feel like we gotta talk
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about maps do we
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I don't know maybe just briefly I don't
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know upright
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I you know and and now I've got I've got
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Dan Lyons dan lines back he's over at
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gizmodo now he's he says that mgc learn
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iron what do they call us who knows
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spoke spots something like that that
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were paid spokespersons for apple or
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something like that because we're not
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that he is that even a word a lot
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he's you know he's it's a gizmodo I I
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don't really understand i feel like
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there's some people who because ok so
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the maps data is it is not good in the
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new maps from apple right and I would
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never said otherwise
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right i've linked to people's criticism
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of it I've I have you know it
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I don't know what I'm supposed to write
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that would make people think that that
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I'm doing this that somebody like that
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i'm doing this right
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I'm not sure there is such a thing that
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you could write right i mean what do you
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suppose to do you have to say what that
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this is the doom-and-gloom now Apple you
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know don't don't upgrade your phone and
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and you know don't buy a new iphone
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I mean it doesn't make any sense i I'd
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SII I can't say that honestly right they
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they were screwed like that I feel like
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the way it's one of those things where I
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kind of figured it out as i wrote it by
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writing about it i really thought about
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it that Apple really only had three
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options go another year with the old
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deal which would have still meant all
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the same missing features no
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turn-by-turn no vector maps a vector
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maps thing is a big deal because they
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load faster and the zoom faster it's a
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huge difference
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you just say what you want about the
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quality of the data or the searching on
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the new Apple maps but I don't see how
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anybody can deny that it's a hell of a
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lot faster and that's because of the
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vector based maps and maps on Android
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where they do have google maps and get
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vector-based tiles are a lot faster than
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maps was on iOS alright so option one to
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go another year with the old deal no
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turn-by-turn at all is not you don't
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have any of it right and you couldn't
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use like in you if you're by yourself in
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a car you could not use your iphone four
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directions or else you'd be like risking
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your life like been in the texting you
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know in the end no joke you know like in
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a way that texting while driving is is
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reckless and kills people every year
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like using your iphone by yourself
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without like a co-pilot to tell you what
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you'd be risking your life I mean I mean
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that without any exaggeration
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yeah you're right so you had no
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turn-by-turn every you no help at all
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so any every single person who gets
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successful turn-by-turn directions in
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ios6 is a person who wouldn't have had
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it in in that option and today I think
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they were you know they were really hurt
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by that competitively it is a useful
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feature and you know i think the it's
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turning into one of those antennagate
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things we're in with antennagate it was
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the iphone 4 can't make a phone call
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right and now i think that that it's in
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enlarge its like the the dandelion Lions
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angle is that iOS 6 maps doesn't work
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that no matter what you do it's not
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gonna work whereas it that you know
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obviously there's a lot of cases where
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it doesn't but it in most cases it does
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work just fine
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honestly I mean one of the reasons I
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haven't really written about the maps
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thing myself is that I'm just not seeing
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these problems because at the data
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around me is fine and and by the way and
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this is a lot like like when when the
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verizon iphone first came out everybody
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in our you know world who would switch
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to AT&T could not wait to get back to
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verizon as it was going to be perfect
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and solve all their problems but verizon
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is not perfect and they have problems
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too they're just different problems and
01:17:29
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we forgot about them for a while right
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you know with ios6 maps google map data
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sucks in a lot of ways and I've been
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and so many times by usually the way it
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sucks is not the road data but the
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business data where it'll tell me that
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some stores somewhere and that store
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will close down six years ago and they
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haven't updated their data is and stuff
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like that and i had tons of problems
01:17:52
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with google map data but you know nobody
01:17:56
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thought about it because it was google
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of course the best that's just the
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reality of having it and now with maps
01:18:01
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of with maps on ios6 I think people are
01:18:05
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again they're applying a lot of scrutiny
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to it because it's new and in some ways
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it is worse but i think not all the
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scrutiny or not all the criticism is
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justified as something that Google Maps
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does better because a lot of an art
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right so what I ended all the other
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thing that helps is help spread the the
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meme if you will is that it does demo
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well like when you search for the
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Washington Monument and it shows up in
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the wrong space you know you can get
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screenshots well the mistakes that
01:18:34
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screenshot well and you know the the
01:18:36
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amazing ios6 maps tumblr site is funny
01:18:40
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although it's starting to get old I feel
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like which I think kind of shows that
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it's not that bad right like it's you
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know how many melted bridges you know
01:18:49
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can can you laugh at rom now when i
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called option three is the option Apple
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went with which was to kiss google by
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and go out on her own with the trade-off
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and it is a trade-off this is the thing
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that people can I feel like every single
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one of these incidents these gates is
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always about trade-offs and and the
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people wanting to blow it up refuse to
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acknowledge that there's anything that
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it's a trade-off right its iOS 6 maps is
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a total bag of dog shit that's it that's
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the argument from the other side its
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total shit and anybody saying otherwise
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is wrong whereas it it's not it has
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vector-based tiles which look great and
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are much faster and it has turn by turn
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directions which is that a great feature
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that didn't have before and that's the
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this is the route appleone now I think
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the problem is that the critics what I
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call option two which was could give in
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to google and let Google have what it
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wanted to get turn-by-turn and
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vector maps from google that that's what
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Apple should have done and the
01:19:52
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concessions would have been significant
01:19:54
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it would have been you know Google
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wanted and a couple people have reported
01:19:57
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this it's not just from one side it's
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like The Times had it i think somebody
01:20:02
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else had it too but google wanted more
01:20:04
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branding more google branding in the app
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more control over the design of the app
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you know I think that the I think people
01:20:11
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listening to our show know this but I
01:20:13
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think in the large world when people
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write about this they think there's a
01:20:16
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lot of people who probably think google
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wrote the old iOS maps app which isn't
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Apple wrote the app and worked with
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google on you know how they're going to
01:20:26
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do the api's for the back you know it
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was like an API call to get the map
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tiles themselves and if you look at the
01:20:31
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iOS apps that google has written you
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might not want them to write the haps
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exactly know very true and you do see
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you know and some of them aren't you
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know but some of them aren't bad you
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know the new youtube app isn't is like a
01:20:45
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plus and minus in certain ways i think i
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would say the new youtube app it is just
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as good and bad as the iOS 6 maps up
01:20:52
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yeah but you know it's less important to
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people but the big one is the privacy
01:20:58
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angle that Google wanted the I don't
01:21:01
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even if they still call it latitude
01:21:03
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google latitude or if that's been rolled
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into Google+ the Google+ umbrella but in
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other words though you log in with
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google credentials and then Google
01:21:12
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tracks where you go and you do check-ins
01:21:15
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it's like Foursquare type thing where
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you check into places and stuff like
01:21:18
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that and you know if you don't mind that
01:21:22
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and i'm not saying that you know the
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Google Google's collection of user
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identifiable data your search queries
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and your location and all of this stuff
01:21:31
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and indexing you know your email to
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serve you ads based on the content of
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your email and stuff like that
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I'm not saying it's wrong but I'm saying
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though it's something to think about and
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I'm not comfortable with it personally
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in there my right millions of people are
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obviously and i feel like the the tech
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minded people who don't mind it
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who r tool totally embracing the the
01:21:57
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google angle on this you know and and
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you know Dan lines is a perfect example
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the guy who loudly and publicly and
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happily switch to an android phone years
01:22:07
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ago you know people were totally into
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the whole google lifestyle google docs
01:22:11
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for all of your writing and and stuff
01:22:13
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like that obviously don't mind it
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because they're into it but they don't
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seem to root be willing to concede that
01:22:20
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there is another angle on this that you
01:22:22
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know other people wouldn't want that
01:22:24
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stuff to be collected and that Apple has
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an interest in not allowing google to
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build a location monopoly similar to
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their web search monopoly sure and you
01:22:39
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know it's important also to for people
01:22:41
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to realize and know you do on this too
01:22:43
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but it's important to realize that you
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know I think Apple would have had to
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move away from google eventually like
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they there is no question that this
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could not last that much longer
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especially given the relationship
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between the two companies breaking down
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so much over the last five years and I
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think especially you know Apple does not
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like when somebody else has them by the
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balls over anything and they always
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consistently you know in in the in the
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the Steve to era and beyond
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they have always work to eliminate ways
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in which other people had them by the
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exactly and like the retail stores were
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huge thing in that regard
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you know the iphone to launch a cell
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phone you have to you know be willing to
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be controlled by the carriers to some
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degree but Apple did a pretty good job
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of negotiations all that and then now
01:23:33
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the demand is propelling that the switch
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to Intel yeah he's got Italian really
01:23:38
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they were really the IBM had them by the
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balls on powerpc right and even you
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think well then tell him by the balls
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but they don't really because their
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Intel helping others AMD now happily
01:23:47
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ever afters arm right
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Apple's never bought you know used AMD
01:23:53
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chips but it was always on the table
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right and so now you know I think on the
01:23:59
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dogs about tomorrow
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yeah its nails here and the other thing
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too about Intel is that you know because
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everybody else is using them to they're
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never going to be behind unless they
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want to be behind like they are with the
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mac pro like that much for now
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now Apple has arm to hold over intel so
01:24:15
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even that something that they've kind of
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insure themselves from right you know
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but you know the google maps thing on
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the phone like at web search is honestly
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as Apple's finding web search is not as
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important on smartphones as it is a
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computer for the most part right and so
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I think apple is willing to let Google
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have that plus they could always just
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you know to make a deal with Bing or
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they could buy DuckDuckGo and do their
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own thing going on you know starting out
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small just like kind of what they're
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doing maps stuff like that they have
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options in search and it isn't that
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important to them and that goes to the
01:24:48
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browser anyway so we know Google can
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change the website to do whatever they
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whereas in maps it's this this native
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integrated thing that's in the conduct
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of a smartphone extremely important and
01:24:59
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so if they would have just kept going
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with google for you no more years in the
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future or indefinitely google would have
01:25:06
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always had me by the balls with this
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maps thing right and that would have
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made apple very vulnerable in that way
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going sour that would have been really
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uncomfortable kind of in the same way
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the that same song as a little
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uncomfortable with apple because they
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would get their component relations yeah
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very true which they're also as you can
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see apple also trying to diversify a lot
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of things they're right but you know
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they this Maps transition i think the
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anyway you look at it
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apple had to take this on their own at
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some point they had this this was
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inevitable the only the only choice was
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timing right and as you wrote the timing
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even that the timing here is actually
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kind of the obvious choice right
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they really couldn't afford to go
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another year without if they would have
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gone another year with google they would
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have had to renew for another year on
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top of that right price I they need you
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know the transition has to take place
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during the year when the deal expires it
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can take place at the end when the deal
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does expire right and and and google was
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under google had no incentive to keep
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the terms Apple friendly overwrite I
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don't have any problem with google that
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Eric they would just keep making the
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terms more and more google friendly
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because they could they had all the
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power right yeah I don't even you know
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and and like this Dan Lyons pieces you
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know that that it had and I think he
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says that we said Google's evil or
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somebody i'm not i don't even say
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Google's email at Google that was acting
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in its own interest to like everybody's
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writing in her own enters I guess the
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other thing that lay people kind of
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vaguely wish is is for something that
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just you know it's sort of like a people
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in Hell want ice water situation is what
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they wish is for the alternate universe
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where Google didn't decide to become
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apples arch rival for the future of
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mobile computing brightly and on one
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point out and they were best friend
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right that the eric schmidt onstage at
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the iphone introduction Kumbaya laughing
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and singing and talking about what a
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great future Apple and Google we're
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going to have together that that would
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have kept going and that you know Apple
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could have just kept going and let
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Google handle the mapping back end and
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just do the app and have vector tiles
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and turn-by-turn directions from google
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in the iOS maps app and have you know
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none of the privacy or and the other
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stuff in there but that that option
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wasn't on the table who was offering
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that that would never have happened
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because Google's not stupid they would
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have seen that these integrations with
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the iphone you know on the computer the
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computer kind of a fluke on the computer
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that they have the web browser and and
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and people can choose to go to google
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and google made their own web browser
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for the same reason on the smartphone
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it's this kind of this more quote
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curated environment is more controlled
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environment where things are more
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customized and less quote open use air
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quotes a lot when talking about google
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because you have to but you know with
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with with the iphone google could see
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that Apple had a lot of control on this
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new platform and at any point let's say
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things were still an iphone one point of
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relationship days at any point Apple
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could have said you know what google
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we're going to switch to bing maps now
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and you're screwed
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so Google had to make their own platform
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to be able to control their own destiny
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they have two that's the same reason why
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on has their tablets now because they
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have to do the same thing to control
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their media say I disagree with you
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I do i think that there's that there was
01:28:43
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a hypothetical path for Google to take
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based on trust you know and think about
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how much trust there was a circuit
01:28:50
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2006-2007 between Apple and Google I
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mean Eric Schmidt was on apple's board
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I mean in hindsight and forever in
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business in hindsight that's when people
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to last forever and this isn't that
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mind-boggling know in hindsight like
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thinking about how long five years is
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could you imagine now if they if they
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put eric schmidt back on the Apple board
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I mean it honestly think that you know
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that tim cook it had a stroke or
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something that would be amazing or
01:29:14
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imagine if Tim Cook joint apple's board
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are Google's bored I mean right exactly
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i have not said that be you would not
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believe it you would just automatically
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assume that whatever website you're
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reading was was doing like an April
01:29:26
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Fool's thing early you would never
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believe it you can't believe it
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I know but google you know it in that
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one point out in 10 days google was
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totally they were replaceable on iOS you
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know what if anybody else had a good
01:29:41
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enough map service or a good enough
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video service or a at all the things
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they were integrated with anybody else
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could have been swapped in know what you
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know what all they would have had to do
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is make sure that their maps were still
01:29:52
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the best and if they if the mattress
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still the best they would have been in
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good shape so their destiny would have
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been in her own hands like if they had
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either a not even done android or be
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kept Android as a sort of blackberry
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killer low-end you know third-world
01:30:09
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open-source orderly not attacked iOS
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head on right everything you know just
01:30:16
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as wipe out all the low end of the
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market platform
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ah i think the only thing they would
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have had to do is the same thing they've
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done with web search like why has an
01:30:25
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apple replaced google is the default for
01:30:28
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web search because google is still the
01:30:31
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it really is and because that doesn't
01:30:32
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look at that doesn't really impact Apple
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having down there doesn't really do it
01:30:36
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you know it doesn't really harm them
01:30:37
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they might even be getting paid for it
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I'm sure they are I um I don't know but
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i would be flabbergasted if they are not
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getting paid
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no a nice chunk of change for that
01:30:49
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because it is extremely valuable
01:30:51
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oh yeah and I mean in reality that might
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not matter too much to apples financials
01:30:54
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now that it's probably not but it's one
01:30:57
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of those things where there's a lot of
01:30:58
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little things that don't matter a lot to
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actually financials but there's so many
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of them and they kind of you know
01:31:04
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yeah yeah yeahs did be sort of derelict
01:31:07
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not to not to cash the checks I i still
01:31:10
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think that that it would that it was
01:31:12
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inevitable that Google was going to make
01:31:13
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their own platform because they also
01:31:16
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don't know that they don't want to have
01:31:18
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they don't want anyone else to have them
01:31:19
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by the balls and in this case apple
01:31:20
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would have had them by the balls right
01:31:21
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well and I don't feel about balls these
01:31:23
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days i supply
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I suppose you're right i dunno maybe
01:31:26
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you're right i don't know it's it's hard
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to say but and you know there's the
01:31:31
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other argument though that they still
01:31:32
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that they are really there like 20
01:31:34
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billion dollars in the hole on Android
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that's true yeah and amazon i don't
01:31:38
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think it's doing that well in their
01:31:39
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efforts either profit I think I link
01:31:42
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well but they're breaking even though
01:31:43
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they're not a whole you know like I feel
01:31:45
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like James really wanted to emphasize
01:31:47
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that they're not losing money on this
01:31:48
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stuff but they're not making money on
01:31:50
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this stuff like that's what makes them
01:31:51
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that's what my exams on the crazy guy at
01:31:53
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the poker table its kind of their whole
01:31:55
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business i hope everything all their
01:31:57
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businesses are kind of like if all you
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want to do is break even but do it in
01:32:01
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great quantity you are a crazy-ass
01:32:04
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competitor to compete against if you're
01:32:06
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trying to make money right
01:32:07
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it's really very against apple which is
01:32:09
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totally the opposite i think it was
01:32:11
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Brian s hall i think i'll link to it a
01:32:13
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couple days ago and maybe I didn't know
01:32:15
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but anyway he just a
01:32:16
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back-of-the-envelope argument about how
01:32:18
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Google is 20 billion in the hole on
01:32:20
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Android and most of it is from the 12
01:32:23
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billion dollar acquisition of motorola
01:32:24
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which still hasn't you know made him a
01:32:26
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nickel of Prophet Muhammad won't and you
01:32:30
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know once you spend 12 billion on
01:32:31
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motorola it's not that hard to you know
01:32:33
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figure out that they maybe they spend a
01:32:35
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billion on other stuff so even if 20
01:32:37
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billion is a little high it's probably
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like at least 15 billion and you know
01:32:42
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and they even admit publicly that the
01:32:44
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lion's share of their mobile advertising
01:32:46
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still comes from iOS that's interesting
01:32:50
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yeah from from web traffic i guess i am
01:32:52
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NOT not from local anymore
01:32:54
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well whenever they said it might have
01:32:56
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been I don't know if they were ever
01:32:58
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map stuff I got sponsored I used to get
01:33:00
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sponsored results every once in a while
01:33:02
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but never that much
01:33:03
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okay yeah it was only only like in the
01:33:05
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last six months or so right it was now I
01:33:07
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got some starting like a year ago
01:33:08
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okay well still that's five years into
01:33:10
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the iphone or four years at the iphone
01:33:12
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hey ever to going crazy long but let me
01:33:14
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do the second sponsor and I have a
01:33:16
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couple of things I want to ask you about
01:33:17
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our second sponsor is one of my favorite
01:33:20
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companies longtime sponsor of daring
01:33:23
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fireball mac mini colo mac mini colo is
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exactly what the name says they host mac
01:33:31
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minis as servers and you think well
01:33:34
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that's been a crazy little you know what
01:33:36
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you would want a little computer like
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that as a server they're actually
01:33:39
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deceptively powerful computers and a
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really really small and it actually
01:33:43
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makes for a great co-hosted server
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they've got SSD options they can have up
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to 16 gigabytes of RAM nowadays they
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really do make for a good server and mac
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Nicola has been doing it for a long time
01:33:56
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and they're big part of the Mac
01:33:59
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community one of the things they do they
01:34:02
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just do this for free they're the people
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who hosts fire bald dot-org the
01:34:08
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automatic action of that fireball dot
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orgs only time that I link to somebody
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they see it they immediately cash every
01:34:16
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single site that i linked to from daring
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fireball and all you have to do is take
01:34:20
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the URL from daring fireball take off my
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domain name replace it with fire bald
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dot org and you'll get the cached
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version of whatever it is i just like to
01:34:32
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that's running on a mac mini at mac mini
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cola so it's obviously by definition
01:34:39
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fireball proof they're actually in this
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is actually interesting i didn't know
01:34:44
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this until they sent me this stuff for
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the sponsorship but they're actually
01:34:47
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they're actually hosted in this place
01:34:51
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this switch nap in Las Vegas and it's
01:34:55
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they've got fantastic connections it's
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actually an old Enron bandwidth station
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you go to switch nap dot-com and you can
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find out more but it's actually like
01:35:05
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this crazy crazy high power
01:35:08
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co-hosting facilities super high
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bandwidth some of the people they
01:35:13
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actually have people who listeners of
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the show know who use them and recommend
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them and have given them permission to
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to say this Michael jurewicz from black
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pixel uses mac mini colo Stephen Frank
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federico veggie of Max stories great
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site to will shipley never heard him
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he's at a place called delicious monster
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but I think delicious monster site
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hosted at mac mini colo you can send
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them a mac mini that you own to send it
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to them and they will host it for you
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you can rent one or buy one from them
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and they'll just set it all up
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great support you just call them give
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great options super super easy and it's
01:36:02
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a great service so if you want to use a
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mac mini as a hosted server Mac Mini
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colo here's the URL to go to and you go
01:36:11
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to this URL it will help the show
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because they know you're coming from
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here so go to www.magnatune.com oh-ohlow
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dotnet / the talk show and you know that
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they love the show you know they love
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the show because the the URL it's / the
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talkshow not / talk show attention to
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detail attention to detail and they know
01:36:33
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that I paid good money for that the mac
01:36:37
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mini colo dotnet / the talk show so I
01:36:42
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while you're here Marco I want to talk
01:36:44
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about some Marco stuff term before I let
01:36:49
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you've been doing a lot of stuff lately
01:36:52
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it seems to me like you're well into
01:36:54
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papers always got new stuff going on but
01:36:55
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it seems like a lot of the stuff you've
01:36:57
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been doing recently has been
01:36:58
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accessibility related and um I won't
01:37:02
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even go into it because you've covered
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it for example you're a big proponent of
01:37:05
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voiceover and developing and your thing
01:37:09
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is that you can with your rule of thumb
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you you'd eat you assigned triple tap
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the home button to voiceover on and off
01:37:16
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right but your rule of thumb is you can
01:37:18
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tell somebody's a good iOS developer if
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you triple tap
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their iphones homebody and voiceover
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doesn't go on
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yeah that's somebody else that had
01:37:26
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written that i quoted it but but it and
01:37:28
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I don't know if I'm quite that extreme
01:37:29
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that i would say they're bad developer
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but i think certainly if that does
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happen you can tell they're definitely a
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good developer I mean and we can we can
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literally do I got hold to our show just
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on accessibility stuff and its really
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very important and I i feel like i'm in
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a weird space because i do link to our
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accessibility stuff and I value it a lot
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of daring fireball so i often get good
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links from people about accessibility
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related issues but I also feel like like
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I do value it and I i think it's so
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great that iOS has so many great
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accessibility stuff i mean if you don't
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get choked up when you see those videos
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of blind people using an iphone like
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just really i mean getting tons out of
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it using all sorts of different apps and
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and not just using it you know wasting
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time in their house but using it to let
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them two things I couldn't do before
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like it like apples promo video at the
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BBC had the guy walking through the
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woods exactly the iphone navigating if
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you know if it doesn't choke up you're
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not up right i mean i-i can't even I
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don't know what you know you don't have
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oh yeah and you know you can you you can
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you don't even need help setting these
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things up I noticed when I took my new
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iphone out-of-the-box yesterday you
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triple tap home and it turns voiceover
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on so you can just you can actually you
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know my default it does that
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yeah in that in the in the wrist you
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know factory state in the you know out
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of the box factory state you you can
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just bide triple tapping the home button
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you can you get voiceover so you can
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configure your brand-new right
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out-of-the-box iphone without any help
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from a sighted person i found that out
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by you know how i found that out I found
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out because I wanted to see if the
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button was good like to do in a button
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and all of a sudden series started
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talking to me and I was like all is
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awesome so it just give me the what what
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how does voiceover work I I know but you
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tell people listen in to the show
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because I do feel like for a lot of
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sighted people they kind of you know
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they know iOS is good for this stuff but
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they don't really think about it isn't
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sure i mean it's it's a screen reader
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and and you know what that means is for
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somebody who's who is partially or fully
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blind they can use an iphone
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or iPad or and actually always tends to
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but it works really well on iOS devices
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and it just reads it reads to them in
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the in the quotes eerie voice which was
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actually before Syria but it reads to
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them in that voice the various interface
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elements that they're looking at and for
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that they're not looking at this and as
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a developer you know iOS does almost all
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this automatically if you if you use the
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built-in components like the labels for
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text and a button with text on it or in
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a table views that have titles and
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descriptions on Excel it will read all
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these things automatically for you don't
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have to do anything and so have having
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your appt be friendly to voiceover is
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not that hard
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and the reason why I've gotten so loud
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about it recently and and I've not done
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this perfectly you know I've in the past
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I've shipped lots of voiceover problems
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and and for the most part most apps you
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know there aren't a lot of blind people
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who will who will download your app and
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tell you about the voice-over problems
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because chances are they won't be able
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to find your support email address in
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your app for one thing but you know
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they're there aren't that many of them
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they're not like millions and millions
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of blind people downloading your app so
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you know that the chances that somebody
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who has a problem we'll find it worthy
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of emailing you and be able to email you
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and be willing to take all the time and
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effort to do that is low so you're
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probably shipping voiceover problem
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without knowing it but the reason why
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I've gotten so loud but recently is that
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it's just so easy to fix and like like
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when I i I'm very fortunate to have a
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few blind users paper who will email me
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every time I screw something up and then
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you know i can go fix it and it takes
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like 10 minutes to fix I mean thatthat
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something like it's so easy all you have
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to do is if you're doing anything custom
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with the controls like if you have a
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button that's just an image and doesn't
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have any text on it or if you like
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custom rendering a seller control you
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have to just set a trait on that object
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say what how what your voiceover say
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about this item
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yeah and that's it it's like it's typing
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in a string like refresh button that's
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it it's so easy and that's so it's it's
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just so embarrassing one when I learned
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that I was doing this badly
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some cases that that kind of stuck with
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me like oh man I gotta I gotta do better
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on this because it's such a tiny thing
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for me to do and it can make such a
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massive difference to somebody's ability
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to use this app that I just feel like
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it's it's like a social responsibility
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for developers like we should we should
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be really making sure we're not screwing
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this up because it's so easy to do it
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right at the great irony is and it sort
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of gets back to the whole how important
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you know it really comes back to the
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argument Steve Jobs gave onstage about
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why the iPhone was just a touch screen
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was that it's the flexibility of
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software that you don't know what
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buttons you need so you don't want to
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make the buttons hardware because you
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don't know what buttons you know the
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buttons you want for the phone or
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different than the ones you want for a
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web browser and we don't even know what
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buttons were gonna want next year for a
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the idea for which we haven't even had
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yet exactly but i think and i do
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remember I I don't have any URL is
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handling but I remember though that
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people were saying that the downside of
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this design this is circuit 2007 is this
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is gonna be a disaster usability wise
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are our accessibility wise because how
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the world's a blind person going to use
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that thing where there's no buttons
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right imagine like on a traditional old
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pretty smart phone cellphone a blind
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person once they knew which buttons were
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which could use it by feel
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because you did you know alright here's
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the place a call button and i know that
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if i go you know or if I long press on
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the one button it's going to call my
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wife if I long press on to its going to
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call Marco you can do that without
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looking at it but everybody thought with
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the iphone because it's just this
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touchscreen that it's not going to be
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usable by the blind or low-sided and it
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maybe even was going to get apple and
01:43:35
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legal problems because of certain
01:43:37
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requirements for accessibility and it
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ends up it's actually the most
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accessible device I I think ever
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yeah and and they didn't have on day one
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because i right they didn't have enough
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ram travel stuff loaded
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I think I believe it came in iOS 3.2 out
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and on the 3gs and by I think you're
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right and it was and I
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because it was it was before sirree but
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it was when you could first start giving
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voice I think it coincided with when you
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could give the voice controls right yeah
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which is through the 3gs because it was
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the first one had more ram and they
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really did they needed more and we just
01:44:12
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fit these voices in this code loaded up
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into around all the time right but its
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that's you know it's just it's so easy
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yeah and and like like I added these
01:44:20
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these two fonts recently disfavor that
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like one of them is is aimed at making
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easy for dyslexic people to read and the
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other one is aimed at people with
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learning disabilities making making easy
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for them to read like the dyslexic font
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was free and learning disabilities font
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was really inexpensive as far as
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finalizing for apps goes and it just
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like it took almost no effort for me to
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add those things just like voiceover so
01:44:42
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it takes almost no effort to do this but
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it makes a huge difference for somebody
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and so it just seems like a no-brainer
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it's it's a great app my I have a good
01:44:53
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friend here in Philadelphia he's like my
01:44:55
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yankees boyfriend name is Matt and he's
01:44:59
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a he's got the is like some kind of
01:45:02
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vision thing but he did you know it
01:45:03
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doesn't see stuff clothes real well but
01:45:05
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he's a voracious reader and he's an
01:45:07
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enormous instapaper fan because ease
01:45:10
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ground zero for the instapaper target
01:45:13
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audience because he's a voracious reader
01:45:14
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but I almost feel like he's friends with
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me just like try to get a connection
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with you because he just loves it
01:45:22
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because you keep making it better and
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better and it's you know if you didn't
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if the fonts were always small and it
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don't have a limited number of fonts you
01:45:30
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know it'd be a lot harder for them to
01:45:31
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read he read better with instapaper than
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you know with anything else on an iOS
01:45:38
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that's great he also try asking the
01:45:41
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other day cuz he just got the iphone 5 2
01:45:43
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also said that he thinks he loves the
01:45:45
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bigger the taller screen because it fits
01:45:48
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more it makes it easier to use bigger
01:45:51
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fonts to read
01:45:52
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yeah you and even just like there's more
01:45:56
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like you know you can use voiceover it
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if you if you turn voiceover on and
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you're in there like a whole bunch of
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things on screen you can swipe left or
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right to kind of go next and previous
01:46:05
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item or you can just put your finger on
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something and move it around
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sorry and so I owe a lot of blind people
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actually use iPads because it's just
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more area more surface area and you know
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initially if you don't think about if
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you don't have the stuff works you might
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think that doesn't make any sense why
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would they want they want a bigger
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screen but it's just it's more area and
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it makes it easier for a lot of people
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yeah it just as interesting to me and
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you know it's one of those things where
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I do try to be really cognizant of it
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but because i don't really have any
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vision problems to speak up i would have
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thought intuitively that something like
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Instapaper on the iphone you know
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reading doing long-form reading on a
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tiny tiny screen is something that's
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really sort of by definition only for
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the for people with good vision and it's
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just not that's not true at all which i
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think is so fascinating that it's you
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know it to me it's counterintuitive but
01:46:58
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exactly and and with the ipad again like
01:47:01
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it i actually back in and party two
01:47:04
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years ago I had a guy email man he said
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his father had had very bad vision very
01:47:09
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low vision problems and he was trying to
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get people to read on the ipad and he
01:47:13
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said instapaper you could almost read
01:47:16
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but the maximum font size just a little
01:47:18
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bit too small and so I i sent him a beta
01:47:21
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build and said here here's a beta build
01:47:23
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and it just it had like a little label
01:47:25
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somewhere telling him the font size and
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in 10 points and I said increase it i
01:47:29
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removed limit increase it as high as you
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can tell me when he can start reading it
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and so I'm I and he by working with this
01:47:38
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guy i made the font size way bigger
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matter at the top the maximum font size
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i made it way bigger and I made it so
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big that it can pretty much only fit
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like one or two words per line on an
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iPad and possibly even only in
01:47:51
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landscaping on how long the words are
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and but I've I since not only did i make
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a huge difference to that guy but I've
01:48:00
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since heard from so many the people who
01:48:01
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said i can finally read because I can
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finally make the font big enough mess
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and it's just it's so amazingly
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fulfilling to hear those stories that
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this stupid little change i made that we
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took no effort made a difference in
01:48:15
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somebody's life you know there's there's
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not only it's hard to it's hard to get
01:48:19
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those those you know helping people out
01:48:21
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in life connect
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options through the internet you know
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you don't really hear it's hard to know
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how you're affecting people it's hard to
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know it like even here we don't know
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who's listening to this we don't you
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know sit something we could be helping
01:48:31
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somebody through a tough time on only by
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talking about iphones and stuff you know
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and and you don't but you don't you
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don't hear about that
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so the few times that you do hear about
01:48:41
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something positive happening where you
01:48:43
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didn't even realize it was having that
01:48:44
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big of an effect or where it's really
01:48:46
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easy for you to do it it's incredibly
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fulfilling yeah you deserve it it's
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great and you know it's just funny to
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it's like you said it's like you by
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making the font size so crazy big that
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you would think well no one would ever
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want this pic right but someone doesn't
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actually actually do
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that's great i think i've made it
01:49:05
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through the whole show I think correct
01:49:07
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me if I'm wrong maybe you're too polite
01:49:09
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you probably wouldn't have said it but
01:49:10
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the over-under was was was on me saying
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Instagram instead of instapaper at least
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three really because every time I talk
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about either one
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I say the other like I start talking
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about Instagram I say instapaper and
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when I start talking about in the paper
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I say Instagram and I didn't hear a
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single single step of this time had my
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god as i call it it's like a hashing
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collision in my brain I find know that
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in stuff i'm so mad at them for having
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that name and being so successful
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yeah and now it almost looks like i
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copied that I know yeah it does because
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they've gotten so big you know doing
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I guess they're legendary less than a
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billion dollar acquisition now because
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it was all facebook you can how it would
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sound like the 700 million recognition
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oh oh no you know what i wanted to bring
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this up to you because Instagram which
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is a pile of well I don't love may begin
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tough but i like it a lot and i still
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use it but there they updated for the
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iphone 5 and took away live filters
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meaning that you can't preview the
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filter live in the camera as you're
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shooting and it infuriates me it really
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does because in when a ship version to
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point out like a year ago they replaced
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all of their existing filters with a new
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filters and it's um a lot of them had
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the same names but they did not look the
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same they didn't
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look close to the same some of them look
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ridiculously different even though they
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had the same name and and the reason why
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was probably for some kind of technical
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performance reason we're like you know
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if they make the if they make this
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hardware accelerated they can do it in
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in real time said that it wasn't it was
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for live filters because in number one
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point you couldn't filter live you shoot
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first then apply a filter and it took a
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while it took a bit like you know three
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seconds of lag around the iphone for
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this before us came out right but they
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would cash it though so if you were like
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this one or that one this one or that
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one when you switch between the two if
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it had already computed at once it you
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wouldn't have to do it again on but I
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think the fact that it was a little bit
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little bit computationally expensive you
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know a second or two then although the
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pie be a lot faster now in five
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that's a David they were just so much
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more aesthetically pleasing they got rid
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of them because they said live is better
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and now they're going now they've gotten
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rid of live but they've kept the same
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crappy filters so now we have crappy
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filters and no live
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ah and they said because they did still
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there if you upgrade to the new version
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of instapaper right there I did it
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that's the grand on Instagram on an
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older iphone you still have the live
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filters they have only taken it off on
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the five but they said going here
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forward though for consistency that's it
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they're going to do away with light
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filters and then I thought about that
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and here's here's what i did i fired up
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my galaxy nexus and opened Instagram
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there and guess what no live filters so
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I think can spike consistency they mean
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consistency with other non iOS platforms
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cough cough android haha because they
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don't have live filters there now we
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can't have nice things and it simple and
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android you know one of the biggest
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challenges for android development for
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fragmentation is the GPU and doing any
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kind of hardware accelerated thing with
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gps because it the GPUs vary so widely
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on android right that's why games have a
01:52:32
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really hard time there you know just
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working everywhere because there's so
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many different CPUs but I don't you know
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I i think and out of your problem i
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can't agree with me on this i really
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think that Instagram would be better
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without the filters and and I think the
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reason why so back
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brief story back when tumblr first
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launched I had this brilliant idea which
01:52:53
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is the worst idea I've ever had
01:52:54
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hey why don't we have a feature that
01:52:56
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imports RSS feeds on to your blog so
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that every time somebody posts a link in
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an RSS feed it automatically you
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automatically blog on your tumblr blog
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and this is you know this was back in
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2006-2007 so this was during a time when
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all these like cross pushing tools are
01:53:14
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also coming out so by having this
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feature even though this was into this
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little side feature of tumblr that was
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you know barely even visible in the
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interface to enable by having this
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feature at although everyone started
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thinking tumblr was an aggregation
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service for all your different social
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networks and you know kind of like I
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think that isn't that what friends feed
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was supposed to be I think it was
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everywhere I never was quite clear they
01:53:37
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never really had a clear
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here's what you're supposed to use
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friendfeed for but I think that's if
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they still there there were these
01:53:43
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aggregation services out there these
01:53:45
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other ones so everyone thought tumblr
01:53:46
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was that that this this aggregation
01:53:48
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service that would just you'd be able to
01:53:50
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combine all your other activities and
01:53:51
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other services on to this one page and
01:53:54
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that's really not what we set out to
01:53:55
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build and in fact as a navigation
01:53:58
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service it was a pretty bad one but just
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simply by having a future everyone
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everyone classified it as that in their
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heads and that's how that's how the
01:54:05
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press wrote about it that's how people
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use it that's it that's how this other
01:54:08
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people using it and it was actually
01:54:10
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pretty problematic for a while I think
01:54:12
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with instagram the filters are that
01:54:14
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problem whereas people especially when
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Instagram was new and not not as many
01:54:19
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people used it a lot of people are
01:54:21
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hearing about it or seeing people
01:54:22
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posting these photos like on Twitter and
01:54:24
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stuff i think everyone thought instagram
01:54:27
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is all about the filters and its really
01:54:29
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not Instagram is about the social
01:54:31
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network of sharing these photos with
01:54:33
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people that's what Instagram was about
01:54:34
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and that's why Facebook wanted it so
01:54:37
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that's why a flicker should be
01:54:40
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embarrassed that they didn't do it and
01:54:41
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possibly some degree tumblr also it
01:54:44
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really is the social network for sharing
01:54:46
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for its Twitter for photos basically and
01:54:49
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the the filters are really this
01:54:51
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distraction and they are useful
01:54:54
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occasionally but I think like I i I've
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tried to not use filters for like the
01:54:58
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last year or so and i really haven't
01:55:01
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I i think once or twice to just you know
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amp up the brightness for like a badly
01:55:05
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exposed photo but that was about it
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I i think i think the filters are a fat
01:55:11
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actually and the filters are they really
01:55:14
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scream 2011 to me I and I think they're
01:55:18
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I think that fat is is maybe going to
01:55:20
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end in like a year or two and and you
01:55:23
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know I think if Instagram downplayed the
01:55:26
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filters men maybe that's what they're
01:55:27
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doing i don't know but if they if they
01:55:29
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downplay the filters little bit i think
01:55:31
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maybe then people will start seeing this
01:55:34
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isn't just about making pictures look
01:55:36
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it's about sharing pictures i agree to
01:55:41
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some extent and I little conscious of
01:55:46
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the fact that that the wow that's been
01:55:50
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filtered filters you know the ones that
01:55:52
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really make it look old per se are going
01:55:57
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to date poorly 10-15 years from now like
01:55:59
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you know that I've got three years from
01:56:02
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yeah but it's really going to stand that
01:56:03
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you know like it's you know like
01:56:05
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bell-bottom jeans and stuff like the
01:56:06
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disco it's going to stand out but i
01:56:09
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think though that the filters i like
01:56:11
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best and the ones that I use going
01:56:14
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forward the most aren't about making it
01:56:17
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look like a crumpled up old Polaroid but
01:56:20
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just changing the color temperature and
01:56:23
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you know it the way that you modified
01:56:26
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you know more like what you do when you
01:56:28
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dig around with the exposure settings in
01:56:31
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Lightroom or aperture or even I radio
01:56:33
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about making something look warmer
01:56:35
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making it look cooler
01:56:38
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you know or just black and white like
01:56:39
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black-and-white to me is not a gimmick
01:56:41
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get black and white is like a a a
01:56:44
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serious way of doing photography to
01:56:47
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really change a photo in an evocative
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way like i don't think there's anything
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gimmicky about black and white like and
01:56:53
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having good black-and-white filters so i
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would separate it there i do think it's
01:56:57
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useful and I think that it makes a lot
01:56:58
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of their photos look better but again no
01:57:01
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I think that their new ones the current
01:57:03
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batch of insta gram I swear to god of
01:57:08
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hard Instagram filters are worse in that
01:57:12
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way though we're like home
01:57:14
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was half of them are just like
01:57:15
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preposterous Lee you know gimmicky and
01:57:18
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they're not really about making it look
01:57:20
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good but making it look hipstery i mean
01:57:24
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i agree with you that there is
01:57:25
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definitely of their there is value and
01:57:27
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there is a place and a good reason to
01:57:30
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use filters that you know do like common
01:57:33
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post-processing type operations you know
01:57:35
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things like what you said like you know
01:57:36
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just in the color temperature or you
01:57:38
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know just in the exposure curve a little
01:57:39
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bit there is certainly a place for that
01:57:42
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just seems like so many of Instagram
01:57:44
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filters so far have been not to make a
01:57:48
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photo look better but to make it look
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filtered like to make it really obvious
01:57:52
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that this had this filter applied the I
01:57:54
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think they should i think the way they
01:57:56
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should look at it going forward is less
01:57:58
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as like a hipstamatic type thing and
01:58:02
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making it look kitschy and more like a
01:58:05
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OneTouch lightroom tight yeah
01:58:09
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oh and speaking of which I I keep
01:58:10
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meaning to tell people about this and I
01:58:12
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should I should disclose of course adobe
01:58:15
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revel has been a sponsor of my sight a
01:58:17
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lot and they're sponsoring even more of
01:58:19
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it soon but what they did it they
01:58:22
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explain this to me and I I verified this
01:58:24
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is actually the case
01:58:26
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adobe revel is this whole you know photo
01:58:28
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kind of sharing app from Adobe but that
01:58:34
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what they did was they basically took
01:58:35
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the lightroom processing engine and
01:58:38
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rewrote it so it runs well on a phone
01:58:40
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and so and they it's it's the engine
01:58:44
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from Lightroom for it i think it's it's
01:58:45
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based on that or that the codebase
01:58:47
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releases is based on that same code base
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from lightroom 4 and so I i've been
01:58:52
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using revel not just to view my photos
01:58:54
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which is what it's made for but i've
01:58:56
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been using it as an editing program on
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on iOS and in particular what it's
01:59:01
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really really good at is changing the
01:59:03
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exposure because they get it and people
01:59:06
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who play with lightroom 4 know about
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this or or think Photoshop cs6 I think
01:59:11
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it's in that camera raw version adobe
01:59:14
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rewrote the exposure adjustments in
01:59:15
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these versions so that you can adjust
01:59:18
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the exposure up or down and it it
01:59:20
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doesn't blow out the highlights or black
01:59:23
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in the shadows as much as you go up and
01:59:25
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down they've always been good
01:59:27
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at that and I i do think that the one in
01:59:29
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four is radically better but even
01:59:32
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lightroom why you had amazing exposure
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controls and judged
01:59:38
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oh my the ricoh this is bringing the
01:59:40
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show full circle so my ricoh that didn't
01:59:43
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shoot raw or if it did it was like it
01:59:45
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was like a five-second right time is
01:59:47
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something I've either didn't shoot it or
01:59:49
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it took like 5 to 10 seconds to write so
01:59:51
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I never ever used it so I shot
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everything jpg and then I got my 5d
01:59:57
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couple years later and I was all
01:59:57
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couple years later and I was all
02:00:00
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in the lightroom and I was so excited to
02:00:02
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start shooting raw and because everybody
02:00:04
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said you know the exposure you know the
02:00:06
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things you can do exposure wise with raw
02:00:08
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photo vs jpg just it's just night and
02:00:12
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it actually didn't even seem that
02:00:13
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different to me because that lightroom
02:00:15
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was so good at adjusting exposure from
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one point oh so good at adjusting
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exposures on jpegs not even raw images
02:00:23
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which is what you're getting on the
02:00:24
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phone so I believe it i do believe it
02:00:26
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yeah they'd i think that is Adobe at its
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absolute best
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oh yeah i def I i really do think and I
02:00:33
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don't think they would do this but it's
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not really what they want out of rebel
02:00:36
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or out of most of their businesses but I
02:00:38
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wish adobe we just take that editing
02:00:40
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engine and just make a dedicated editing
02:00:42
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app just for that because with rebel
02:00:44
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there's a few extra steps because it's
02:00:45
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not really made for that you have to
02:00:46
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like imported and then export back as a
02:00:48
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few extra steps to use it just as an
02:00:50
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editor but if they just made a dedicated
02:00:53
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photo editing app for the processing app
02:00:55
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for iOS with that engine would be killer
02:00:58
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they have lightroom photoshop express or
02:01:01
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ps4 photoshop something but I didn't I
02:01:04
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did not like that app they had there is
02:01:06
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a photoshop something called Photoshop
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oh yeah i think is that i think it's
02:01:12
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called Photoshop but it's adobe
02:01:13
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something but i think it's called
02:01:14
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Photoshop but it's not it's not good
02:01:16
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it's not bad but it's not good but this
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everything the entity controlled and
02:01:21
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revel are awesome they really and like
02:01:22
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they kind of bury it like like if
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there's like it only shows three first
02:01:26
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like exposure color and then like you
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tap 1 and expands it into these three
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more manual controls like you gotyou
02:01:32
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gotta play with it a little bit but
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really like if they if they were that
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into its own app and just made it for
02:01:37
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photo editing it would be amazing i
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would put everything through that before
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posting to Instagram well there we go
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whatever would you agree with me that
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they're just their pandering down to the
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Instagram their pandering to the lowest
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common denominator it does seem that way
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yeah I don't know why not just let
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iphone users have better filters donated
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have a better phone why not just have
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better filters why make everybody have
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the same set of filters who cares
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I mean like you said the most important
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thing is the sharing Network which is
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why it's useful that android phones can
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participate like if your friend has an
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android phone while you know why
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shouldn't they be allowed opposed to
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to Instagram but or again maybe it is
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instagrams people recognizing that a lot
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of this filter is going to be temporary
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fads and and trying to try to minimize
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the appearance of filters being so
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necessary or suction main focus of the
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app I don't know I just feel like you're
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always in trouble if you're it's you
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really ought to second-guess yourself if
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you're holding back in anyway if you're
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you know saying yeah we're not giving it
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our best on this you know
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yeah i agree with you on that I guess I
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guess thing with instagram might not
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matter soon you'll likely if they if
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they do indeed are downplaying the
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filters which I don't know they will but
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if they do then all this would be fairly
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yeah you're I mean you're probably a
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poor example of this with instead paper
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but I because you obviously would not
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hold back on adding cool features to the
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iOS version of instapaper if they
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couldn't be added to the fairly still
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fairly new android version because your
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android version of instapaper is sort of
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an experiment it's not
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oh yeah in fact when when we so I don't
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even develop and reverse mobile sucks
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does their great great contractor and
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and they would the arrangement i had set
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up with them was you know I don't want
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this to have feature parity not because
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I don't want android to be as good but
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because i don't want to have to be
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restricted in what I do in the future
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like I want to be able to get out of
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added feature to the ios app or changing
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as I see fit and not have everybody
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expect that it simultaneously change and
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applied to the android app and so it
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launched for it still doesn't have some
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of the features of iOS app but and part
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that was just you know let's see what we
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can get done for one point given limited
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time and money but you know I've always
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maintained that you know I want this to
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be two separate things because it is two
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separate things these are two very
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different platforms with very different
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use types very different hardware very
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different software and and very
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different users honestly all right i
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think so you know it's it's important
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that your that you leave yourself the
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freedom with both your expectations your
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customers expectations in your
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development philosophy you leave
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yourself the freedom to do
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thinking on platform even if your other
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platforms can't do it same thing with
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web browsers like it you know there's no
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reason you can't enhance things for
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modern web kits because you want things
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to look the same on IE five right
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why hold back right you're all i see are
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always doing a disservice if you're
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holding back and it's always the truth
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is always the case with cross platform
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software i think Dobies made probably
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made mistakes in this regard over the
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years where their mac software isn't as
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Mac like as it should be here doesn't
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support features because it's not in
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can't do it in the windows version and
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if I knew the windows version i'll bet
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what you know diehard windows users who
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know everything with system probably
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have the same complaints about the
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windows versions you know and microsoft
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office i think is probably a good
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example of a company has done it right
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where office for mac who was never meant
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to be featured compatible with office
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for windows or you know it design
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compatible it's not supposed to look
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exactly the same except that the window
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controls are different you know exactly
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and i think i actually you can point to
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Apple as an example doing this badly
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with itunes for windows
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yeah I you know what that's a great
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example right because Windows users hate
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yeah i mean when i was i was a Windows
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user until 2004 and with one of the apps
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i hated by far the most was quick time
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for windows right that would
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occasionally download some files that
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needed to be good and quick time and I
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would hate installing this thing is it
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was it we know it's crap all over my
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system tray and the window was all
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non-standard and you know it just look
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like the typical metal Apple windows at
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the time but to Windows user this was
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this weird foreign thing that I really
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didn't like and you know this Apple
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Apple position has always been well what
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we do is the best and we're going to
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copy what we do and I on OS 10 for
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windows ports and to a quite a deep
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level they hit like like with safari
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they poured the entire font rendering
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and you know pretty quick but also i was
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safari we're going to bring up and it's
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probably even the best example because
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you know the heart and soul of it is
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WebKit and that WebKit is just it's the
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best web rendering engine man and just
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don't see how anybody could deny that
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at least its best technically is the
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best athletically I you're gonna hear
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from both the Opera users about that
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though right
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ah well maybe not best for everyone but
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it's the best general-purpose one and
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then they brought it to windows and it
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went nowhere just sunk like oh yeah
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brick and google chrome i think is now
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is google chrome now the most popular
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browser on Windows I think so yeah it
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certainly is among the people who aren't
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using you know 1999 compact boxes you
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know running XP you know among people
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who are using even vaguely modern
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windows computers chrome is the most
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popular which is insane given you know
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the situation with ie having ninety-one
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percent market share ten years ago and
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what's chrome it's you know it's at
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least chrome on windows i mean i don't
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use windows so i can say it but
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everybody lies
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you know who seems to like it's a it
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feels like a Windows app I with WebKit
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rather than trying to shoehorn a you
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know a mac app on Windows users just
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doesn't go over well that's one of the
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reasons i don't like I really care that
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much for Chrome on iOS 10 because it
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still feels like a bit of a windows not
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as bad as an apple puts their stuff on
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Windows but yes they're not great
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that's a whole that's the hold of the
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ship it's all so yeah us of your Safari
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user I am and and you know this also
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hold the show I really have a love-hate
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relationship with safari because it
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seems like every major version of safari
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is you know one step forward two steps
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back and it they have safari is so buggy
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and mountain lion now it is so
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ridiculously buggy it was buggy and lion
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it was Bucky and snow leopard and it
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no now just different bugs but I'm very
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disappointed in general in our industry
02:08:20
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for how few options we have for email
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clients and web browsers these two like
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the two most important apps for so many
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people or at least the most frequently
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used after so many people and our
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options for both are ok but not great as
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a long time Mac user though it's see
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this is the difference is i could
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someone has always used the matter
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I still feel like we have so many
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choices for web browser because like in
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the late nineties if we had zero choices
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right that's it really was it was like I
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i think it was the single i think it was
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the single reason single biggest reason
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why they're the had such markets are
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problems at the time is that web
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browsing was such a problem not sure
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anybody even even windows user didn't
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have that many options you know we had
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two or three so wasn't it wasn't that
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different still better than zero that's
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true yeah but I you know every browser
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has its own problems and and I i use
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safari because it fits me the best but
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it drives me crazy
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almost every day it drives me crazy for
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some stupid reason I have to either
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restart it was starting to bug out or it
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has some kind of weird bug that you know
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okay I gotta restart anyway or or
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something no there's no or stop
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surrendering the bottom half of the page
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and it's all white
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you know there's that that's a new blog
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with mountain line like that it's just
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so there's so many weird little problems
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that na i wish that Safari adopted more
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of the chrome process model where
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everything so isolated and everything is
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African who art I think I talked about
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this on the show a few episodes ago but
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yeah I do kind of feel like they lost
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they bet wrong on that with them yeah
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but the 11 separate want rendering
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process versus one for every open tab
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right and the reason they use that the
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separating process in Lyon was for this
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whole sandboxing xspc thing they were
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moving towards like that the
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architecture of separating out the part
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of your program so that if there's a
02:10:16
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security hole exploits javascript then I
02:10:19
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can't access anything else for example
02:10:20
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because it's only their work the web
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rendering and like moving to that
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introduced tons of bugs and tons of
02:10:25
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performance problems and so they fix
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some of those now we have other bugs
02:10:29
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other performance problems and it's just
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like every every year when they make
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Safari you know the the new major
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version of safari for that year big
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shift the bugs around and so I I know
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they'll be annoyed in different ways you
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know the week later and what mobile
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safari i think is great and has only
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gotten better yeah you're right mobile
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safari awesome
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I feel like maybe there's a back to the
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mac moment coming from safari where
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maybe you know some of the
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no I don't know if it's the people or
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the color or whatever but like that at
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least the philosophy of mobile safari
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would be great on Mac os10 see I don't
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see it happening because I feel like I
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feel like that them the Mac os10 Safari
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team seems to have a tolerance for bugs
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like it seems like they they are ok
02:11:15
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shipping a very buggy version of safari
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and that's that's scary to me that i
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really dont that does not sit well with
02:11:21
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me but it they just shown over the last
02:11:23
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23 years or so that they're ok with
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these imperfections
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well the other thing too and I know I've
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mentioned this before but it's I think
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it's worth emphasizing is in the old
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days back when they used to blog a lot
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more i don't i don't think they do that
02:11:37
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anymore like the WebKit blogger surfin
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Safari blog you know they've hired
02:11:40
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things kind of gone quiet but I know
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that I hired at least it even said that
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they had a rule that you can't check in
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anything that causes a regression in the
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oh yeah admitted everything faster for a
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light on so if you wanted to check
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something in that was going to have a a
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regression you had to find something
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that you had to fix something else where
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to get there also that the overall
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checking you were about to make came in
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under so that Safari only ever got
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faster and the idea was that that this
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was in contrast to was the idea that you
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add features in one mode we're adding
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new features and then we'll we'll fix
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the performance stuff at the end because
02:12:19
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they said and that that doesn't work
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because at the end you end up just
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having to ship and you're like God crap
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now it's lower so that every step of the
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way everyday as you're checking and
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stuff you cannot make it slower
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well at some point they obviously got
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the rid of that role i'm pretty sure
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that point was when they switched over
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to the separate process model for the
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renderer I think that's I think it's
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very clear that so that's when they gave
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that up because they had to and I really
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do think that internally i suspect that
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there was like a that they did exactly
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what what they said long ago you know
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the reason they didn't do it they said
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well we'll switch to this render and
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then we'll make it fast later exactly
02:12:54
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anyway read this show has gone on
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ridiculously long Marco Arment you
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you're very kind with your time as it
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was it was great to have you here thanks
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my pleasure to be here
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I good luck with that
02:13:06
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your app Instagram and shooting your
02:13:13
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photos with instapaper and how without
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it without any filter yeah you should
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add filters to instapaper by the way
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make it look like an old old crinkled up
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newspaper it that's nothing to have that
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filters may be in app purchase right you
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can have like a USA Today filter put a
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big blue circle in the corner of
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everything but anyway thank you this is
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see you later all right