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6: Laggy by Any Standard, with Guy English

 

00:00:00 ◼   ► you know one thing I've noticed i have

00:00:01 ◼   ► noticed I thought about this last week

00:00:02 ◼   ► that I'm better friends in general with

00:00:05 ◼   ► programmers programmers make for good

00:00:08 ◼   ► people in my opinion it better friends

00:00:12 ◼   ► then what like other journalists yeah

00:00:14 ◼   ► well you know it

00:00:15 ◼   ► not that there's anything wrong with

00:00:16 ◼   ► other journalists but I I don't know I

00:00:21 ◼   ► to me there's something like the way

00:00:23 ◼   ► that programmers minds work

00:00:25 ◼   ► aah at I something about it appeals to

00:00:30 ◼   ► me like one thing I've noticed over the

00:00:31 ◼   ► years and I do you know we very seldom

00:00:32 ◼   ► do this you and I sometimes once in

00:00:34 ◼   ► awhile

00:00:35 ◼   ► very occasionally while we're at a

00:00:36 ◼   ► conference will get together and have a

00:00:38 ◼   ► drink or something like that

00:00:39 ◼   ► yeah you're a bit of a teetotaler

00:00:41 ◼   ► exactly nah its if we don't it's the all

00:00:45 ◼   ► Syrians it's not like we get there and

00:00:46 ◼   ► anybody really didn't general talks

00:00:48 ◼   ► politics right but I have noticed over

00:00:51 ◼   ► the years that two programmers of

00:00:55 ◼   ► different political allegiances can have

00:00:59 ◼   ► a reasonable discussion in a way that

00:01:02 ◼   ► almost nobody else if one is a

00:01:04 ◼   ► conservative the others a liberal you

00:01:06 ◼   ► know a republican a democrat whatever

00:01:08 ◼   ► whatever you guys have up there and and

00:01:09 ◼   ► in Montreal but you could be on

00:01:12 ◼   ► different sides and programmers can have

00:01:14 ◼   ► because they're their minds work in a

00:01:16 ◼   ► very logical way that they can have a

00:01:19 ◼   ► reasonable discourse about politics

00:01:21 ◼   ► that's not to say one is going to agree

00:01:22 ◼   ► with the other but it it doesn't devolve

00:01:26 ◼   ► into ad hominem arguments and it's

00:01:29 ◼   ► interesting said I die agree

00:01:32 ◼   ► actually I've had a lot of discussions

00:01:34 ◼   ► with people that I don't agree with

00:01:35 ◼   ► politically but it's always remained

00:01:38 ◼   ► pretty civil and and i think you're

00:01:42 ◼   ► right i think it's like the like an

00:01:43 ◼   ► analytical one of you where the other

00:01:45 ◼   ► guy has a good point well okay you

00:01:48 ◼   ► accept the point and you move on because

00:01:50 ◼   ► if you're arguing about design or

00:01:52 ◼   ► something like that

00:01:53 ◼   ► well that's always going to be

00:01:54 ◼   ► subjective but there's an awful lot of

00:01:56 ◼   ► programming when you're collaborating

00:01:57 ◼   ► with someone where it's like math either

00:01:59 ◼   ► works or it doesn't work right

00:02:01 ◼   ► I mean ultimately your that the feature

00:02:04 ◼   ► it works it doesn't mean I mean you may

00:02:06 ◼   ► have designed poorly but it's very

00:02:08 ◼   ► concrete like is a crash

00:02:10 ◼   ► what does it actually achieve the result

00:02:11 ◼   ► that you want

00:02:11 ◼   ► right are you getting 60 frames per

00:02:14 ◼   ► second or you not getting 60 frames per

00:02:16 ◼   ► second and three yes three binary

00:02:19 ◼   ► exactly and I feel that it makes it in

00:02:22 ◼   ► the same way that works for technical

00:02:24 ◼   ► arguments emerge for political arguments

00:02:26 ◼   ► just just shooting the shit about movies

00:02:28 ◼   ► it also makes for good conversation

00:02:32 ◼   ► yeah and I could you can see that any

00:02:35 ◼   ► movies is a bit different because it's

00:02:36 ◼   ► getting subjected to that right like

00:02:38 ◼   ► what's your 60 frames per second for a

00:02:41 ◼   ► movie like what's your objective what

00:02:42 ◼   ► are you trying to achieve kind of it's

00:02:46 ◼   ► not obvious still makes it but there's

00:02:48 ◼   ► that sort of mindset still makes for a

00:02:50 ◼   ► good conversation that's why i do i just

00:02:53 ◼   ► have once you know I get back and I

00:02:55 ◼   ► catch up on sleep a little bit always

00:02:57 ◼   ► occurs to me that i just have I have a

00:02:59 ◼   ► great time at WWDC yeah I have a blasty

00:03:02 ◼   ► and what I mean you've got it

00:03:04 ◼   ► I mean you're very analytical going

00:03:05 ◼   ► again so you probably think i'm not

00:03:08 ◼   ► surprised that you'd find that I super

00:03:11 ◼   ► refreshing right and you know even the

00:03:14 ◼   ► journalists who were on the same beat

00:03:15 ◼   ► the guys who work at macworld and stuff

00:03:17 ◼   ► like that

00:03:18 ◼   ► I mean they're you know they may not be

00:03:19 ◼   ► programmers but they're be closer to

00:03:21 ◼   ► being programmers than most people who

00:03:22 ◼   ► can you know say that their writers and

00:03:26 ◼   ► I only go very analytical he acts like a

00:03:28 ◼   ► lot of analytical people right and I

00:03:30 ◼   ► think that's why you know the like Jason

00:03:33 ◼   ► cells podcast the incomparable where

00:03:35 ◼   ► they talk about movies and science

00:03:37 ◼   ► fiction and stuff like that that I did

00:03:38 ◼   ► it's more interesting to me than when

00:03:40 ◼   ► you're you know general-purpose science

00:03:43 ◼   ► fiction movie podcast would be because

00:03:45 ◼   ► their approach to it is is again

00:03:48 ◼   ► analytical yeah gram a big financial and

00:03:51 ◼   ► again they did a sect the subject and

00:03:57 ◼   ► lovingly but they do look really good

00:03:59 ◼   ► job of sort of tearing it down taking it

00:04:00 ◼   ► apart and seeing what they like and

00:04:02 ◼   ► don't like about it and when they

00:04:03 ◼   ► disagree it is it's it's a good argument

00:04:08 ◼   ► it's cooking right right to be getting

00:04:12 ◼   ► in fights last week i don't remember i

00:04:14 ◼   ► cannot yet a black either like tuesday

00:04:17 ◼   ► morning and what happened that Amy could

00:04:20 ◼   ► be an Amy and

00:04:21 ◼   ► no maybe I know you know what she was

00:04:22 ◼   ► very excited that you're going to be on

00:04:23 ◼   ► the show this week I yeah she's and she

00:04:27 ◼   ► actually said she might listen to it

00:04:28 ◼   ► this time

00:04:29 ◼   ► really yeah it's that's high praise she

00:04:31 ◼   ► didn't even listen to table soon she was

00:04:34 ◼   ► true that's true you know a couple

00:04:37 ◼   ► people only that that they were like at

00:04:41 ◼   ► the lab the live show last week they

00:04:43 ◼   ► said that you know that all that noise

00:04:45 ◼   ► in the back of the room you know that

00:04:46 ◼   ► that that was your wife

00:04:50 ◼   ► yeah it was also it was her who texted

00:04:54 ◼   ► me that they've closed the ball

00:04:55 ◼   ► oh is it yeah it is my dog both of them

00:04:58 ◼   ► did it was that got to text right during

00:05:00 ◼   ► the show

00:05:01 ◼   ► awesome i consider it and decided to be

00:05:03 ◼   ► polite

00:05:04 ◼   ► right from my wife and from the guy who

00:05:07 ◼   ► owns the podcast network i'm on there

00:05:09 ◼   ► are the two guys they're the two people

00:05:10 ◼   ► who who wanted the bar reopened rather

00:05:13 ◼   ► than the turns into the show

00:05:15 ◼   ► well i have to tell you like once the

00:05:17 ◼   ► bar open date stop listening to your

00:05:19 ◼   ► show

00:05:20 ◼   ► well my thigh while I listen after then

00:05:23 ◼   ► went back and listened to it again

00:05:25 ◼   ► cables awesome all cable is it's

00:05:27 ◼   ► certainly very attractive fellow oh I

00:05:30 ◼   ► keep saying that people that with it

00:05:31 ◼   ► with bringing them up there for the live

00:05:33 ◼   ► shows its cheating it's really like you

00:05:35 ◼   ► know it's it's it's just cheating so you

00:05:38 ◼   ► show up for your neighborhood

00:05:39 ◼   ► three-on-three basketball game and you

00:05:42 ◼   ► you've brought Kareem abdul-jabbar with

00:05:44 ◼   ► you and even since seven foot two and I

00:05:48 ◼   ► like personality-wise cable the cable

00:05:51 ◼   ► series like the the size of Hockenberry

00:05:54 ◼   ► on the side not the Hockenberry doesn't

00:05:57 ◼   ► have a great personality but I mean he's

00:05:58 ◼   ► got like it just a towering yeah immense

00:06:01 ◼   ► uses is a giant of a personality right

00:06:05 ◼   ► so you know what's funny i was trying to

00:06:07 ◼   ► reach for some kind of baseball metaphor

00:06:09 ◼   ► to describe cable but you went with the

00:06:12 ◼   ► cream into butter one soon was trying to

00:06:15 ◼   ► play your sports game but you beat me to

00:06:16 ◼   ► it

00:06:17 ◼   ► well basketball so is a rare sport where

00:06:19 ◼   ► you can it you can bring in a guy who's

00:06:25 ◼   ► seven foot two and then that's it

00:06:26 ◼   ► there's nothing anybody can do

00:06:28 ◼   ► we're going to mean there's nothing in

00:06:29 ◼   ► baseball that's quite like that mean you

00:06:31 ◼   ► can have I guess a pickup game and if

00:06:32 ◼   ► you brought in

00:06:33 ◼   ► the top pitcher in the major leagues

00:06:35 ◼   ► nobody is gonna hit the guy but it's not

00:06:36 ◼   ► going to be quite as obscene as you know

00:06:39 ◼   ► is 74 allegedly giant right now but I

00:06:45 ◼   ► thought that the live show went well

00:06:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah right my snap judgment on that

00:06:50 ◼   ► though the bar situation was a and I

00:06:52 ◼   ► couldn't really think about it or

00:06:53 ◼   ► discuss it because cable and I were amid

00:06:55 ◼   ► discussion but I'm just and that's why

00:06:57 ◼   ► you I think that you make better

00:06:58 ◼   ► decisions like that if you just have to

00:07:00 ◼   ► make the decision install right you make

00:07:02 ◼   ► the right one of my thought was

00:07:03 ◼   ► everybody if if we will open the bar and

00:07:11 ◼   ► it gets noisy in the back and people

00:07:12 ◼   ► can't listen to the show they can always

00:07:14 ◼   ► listen to the download version the next

00:07:16 ◼   ► day or next week whenever whereas if we

00:07:19 ◼   ► keep the bar closed they're never going

00:07:21 ◼   ► to get another chance to have that drink

00:07:22 ◼   ► I can't agree more

00:07:28 ◼   ► that's what I didn't I listen to the

00:07:29 ◼   ► show like the next day or whenever it

00:07:31 ◼   ► came out walking around San Francisco

00:07:33 ◼   ► and yeah that was a day so whenever I

00:07:39 ◼   ► got a fellow cable thanks a lot for that

00:07:40 ◼   ► might be my guest this week I should

00:07:44 ◼   ► probably say is a guy English guy thanks

00:07:48 ◼   ► for being here it's a pleasure

00:07:50 ◼   ► so guys background you enter and how to

00:07:53 ◼   ► describe what do you do what do you do

00:07:54 ◼   ► I'm a programmer but you were you

00:07:58 ◼   ► specializing graphics yeah more or less

00:08:00 ◼   ► but yeah i mean is i worked in the pc

00:08:03 ◼   ► game industry for years and did some

00:08:05 ◼   ► messed up on the consoles like PSP stuff

00:08:09 ◼   ► and then I left and joined your game me

00:08:12 ◼   ► Bennett did a bunch of mac software and

00:08:15 ◼   ► then when the iphone came out a started

00:08:17 ◼   ► contracting I've done a lot of the work

00:08:19 ◼   ► on games and graphics in particular

00:08:21 ◼   ► right but you're like a guy you're a guy

00:08:23 ◼   ► who's going to sweat the details on

00:08:25 ◼   ► frames per second

00:08:26 ◼   ► yeah you're gonna make your gonna make

00:08:29 ◼   ► something that's supposed to animate

00:08:30 ◼   ► you're going to sweat the details to

00:08:32 ◼   ► make it smooth

00:08:33 ◼   ► yes that's pretty much what i do i

00:08:35 ◼   ► optimize stuff you know get to get the

00:08:38 ◼   ► album's working figure out the pipeline

00:08:40 ◼   ► to make the process work smoothly

00:08:42 ◼   ► I'm I i still think I think that there's

00:08:45 ◼   ► some other WWE Cena

00:08:46 ◼   ► just to talk about ya think everybody is

00:08:49 ◼   ► sort of talked the retina macbook pro

00:08:53 ◼   ► more or less to death right but there is

00:08:56 ◼   ► something about that that I don't I

00:08:59 ◼   ► don't think I talked about this with

00:09:00 ◼   ► cable last week because i don't i don't

00:09:02 ◼   ► think it had the Machine long enough and

00:09:07 ◼   ► you you've seen it too

00:09:09 ◼   ► and the thing that got me and stop me if

00:09:12 ◼   ► i did talk about this with cable adds

00:09:13 ◼   ► all kind of a blur but that the pixels

00:09:18 ◼   ► per inch is lower than on the ipad then

00:09:21 ◼   ► on the iphone iphone is like 300 and

00:09:24 ◼   ► some that ipad is 267 pixels-per-inch in

00:09:27 ◼   ► that retina macbook pro is 220 pixels

00:09:30 ◼   ► per inch right and so I kind of thought

00:09:33 ◼   ► will make you know I know it's gonna

00:09:34 ◼   ► look awesome but I kind of thought maybe

00:09:36 ◼   ► it wouldn't look as awesome as the phone

00:09:39 ◼   ► and iPad because it's just not as many

00:09:40 ◼   ► pixels per inch and I know that part of

00:09:42 ◼   ► that is about expected viewing distance

00:09:44 ◼   ► from the screen and your tend to be

00:09:47 ◼   ► further away from a 15-inch laptop then

00:09:49 ◼   ► you are from an ipad and you tend to

00:09:51 ◼   ► hold on iphone really close to your face

00:09:53 ◼   ► but what I've found in the week now that

00:09:57 ◼   ► I'm really using this machine is that

00:10:00 ◼   ► text looks way better than on the even

00:10:04 ◼   ► the phone in the ipad its support

00:10:07 ◼   ► blowing me away that it looks even

00:10:09 ◼   ► better that it actually makes it makes

00:10:11 ◼   ► me start to see the pixels on the ipad

00:10:13 ◼   ► in the iphone retina displays and I

00:10:14 ◼   ► think I know what it is and it's the

00:10:16 ◼   ► sub-pixel anti-aliasing m which is only

00:10:20 ◼   ► on the mac and not on iOS for various

00:10:24 ◼   ► reasons and i know some pixel

00:10:27 ◼   ► anti-aliasing is still somewhat

00:10:29 ◼   ► controversial amongst those of us who

00:10:30 ◼   ► really care about like anti-aliasing

00:10:33 ◼   ► algorithms because I know like Mike

00:10:35 ◼   ► Maddux had a tweet a couple weeks ago he

00:10:37 ◼   ► told everybody they should just turn it

00:10:38 ◼   ► off that everything looks better if you

00:10:40 ◼   ► don't if you don't have it

00:10:41 ◼   ► yeah I and I guess I mean for anybody

00:10:47 ◼   ► who doesn't know the difference

00:10:48 ◼   ► I mean I don't want this is one of those

00:10:50 ◼   ► things where I could take 20 minutes to

00:10:51 ◼   ► explain it but on the mac it defaults to

00:10:56 ◼   ► they call it best for LCD any idea is

00:10:59 ◼   ► that you use the red green and blue

00:11:04 ◼   ► subpixels that comprise each actual

00:11:08 ◼   ► pixel on the screen use the physical

00:11:11 ◼   ► location of them to do the anti-aliasing

00:11:14 ◼   ► which if you zoom in if you take a

00:11:16 ◼   ► screenshot and zoom it way up you

00:11:18 ◼   ► actually get like these weird color

00:11:19 ◼   ► fringes around the letters so if you

00:11:22 ◼   ► have black text on a white background

00:11:24 ◼   ► traditional anti-aliasing the

00:11:27 ◼   ► anti-aliasing that would be done with

00:11:28 ◼   ► shades of grey which makes sense common

00:11:31 ◼   ► sense would tell you that's how you

00:11:32 ◼   ► would make these pixels look smoother

00:11:35 ◼   ► the curves look smoother with sub-pixel

00:11:38 ◼   ► anti-aliasing it's actually colors and

00:11:41 ◼   ► it looks really weird if you zoom in and

00:11:43 ◼   ► some people if the pixels on your

00:11:44 ◼   ► display a big enough can see it with

00:11:47 ◼   ► your naked eye and that bothers them and

00:11:49 ◼   ► it also does some weird things where it

00:11:50 ◼   ► kind of makes i think on old older

00:11:53 ◼   ► displays with bigger pixels it it makes

00:11:55 ◼   ► the fonts look thicker chunkier it will

00:11:59 ◼   ► chunkier than without any kind of

00:12:01 ◼   ► anti-aliasing right if you get if you

00:12:04 ◼   ► like but maybe you chunkier than with

00:12:06 ◼   ► traditional grayscale anti-aliasing I

00:12:09 ◼   ► think that makes them look like bolt

00:12:10 ◼   ► makes everything look a little bolder

00:12:12 ◼   ► you don't think so I don't think so

00:12:17 ◼   ► because I mean the tradition gray scale

00:12:18 ◼   ► and using all three of those pixels

00:12:20 ◼   ► going to be lit up like subjects is

00:12:22 ◼   ► gonna be lit up right right i don't know

00:12:25 ◼   ► maybe you know what I have to see

00:12:27 ◼   ► excited by side but either way there's

00:12:30 ◼   ► visual artifacts and I i think that the

00:12:33 ◼   ► idea was that if the pixels get small

00:12:35 ◼   ► enough you don't have to worry about

00:12:36 ◼   ► sub-pixel aunt is in that regular

00:12:38 ◼   ► anti-aliasing is good enough because the

00:12:40 ◼   ► pixels are so small but I using the

00:12:42 ◼   ► macbook pro for a week

00:12:44 ◼   ► I doesn't no doubt in my mind that that

00:12:46 ◼   ► sub-pixel anti-aliasing still makes a

00:12:48 ◼   ► difference it makes everything look it

00:12:51 ◼   ► makes text look just impossibly good and

00:12:54 ◼   ► you can see it because there are still

00:12:56 ◼   ► parts and in mac OS 10.7 em stuff that

00:13:00 ◼   ► what you're going to correctly there is

00:13:01 ◼   ► one of the reasons i have you on the

00:13:02 ◼   ► show is stuff that's drawn into a layer

00:13:05 ◼   ► back view is that right is not is not

00:13:09 ◼   ► doesn't get the sub-pixel entail

00:13:12 ◼   ► Jason that's correct i'm 10.7 yeah and

00:13:15 ◼   ► so you can see this here the easy way

00:13:17 ◼   ► that everybody can see it is with the

00:13:19 ◼   ► transparent menu bar that apple

00:13:21 ◼   ► introduced a couple of versions of Mac

00:13:22 ◼   ► os10 where you can see the half see your

00:13:26 ◼   ► desktop through your menubar their texts

00:13:29 ◼   ► in the menubar therefore it gets the non

00:13:32 ◼   ► sub-pixel anti-aliasing and on the

00:13:34 ◼   ► macbook retina MacBook Pro you can

00:13:36 ◼   ► really see the difference

00:13:38 ◼   ► I mean it looks good it certainly looks

00:13:39 ◼   ► better than any text on a non-retina Mac

00:13:43 ◼   ► but it doesn't look as good as the rest

00:13:45 ◼   ► of the text throughout Mac os10 on that

00:13:48 ◼   ► retina display so you okay well nice i

00:13:53 ◼   ► looked at you know I looked at your

00:13:55 ◼   ► reviewing and at the macworld one and i

00:14:00 ◼   ► loved it i mean the text look amazing

00:14:01 ◼   ► but I didn't you know I probably should

00:14:04 ◼   ► have managed to zoom in and checked it

00:14:05 ◼   ► alone but it didn't bother

00:14:07 ◼   ► do you find it grading like no because

00:14:11 ◼   ► almost everything is some pics on entire

00:14:13 ◼   ► list right so it's just you know it's

00:14:16 ◼   ► like it its it's not grading because

00:14:18 ◼   ► it's like looking at very very good text

00:14:21 ◼   ► and insanely very good text you can see

00:14:25 ◼   ► the difference you can see you can start

00:14:26 ◼   ► on the menu bar you can see pixels and

00:14:29 ◼   ► if you get close enough when you're

00:14:30 ◼   ► looking like inside like a safari window

00:14:32 ◼   ► forget it you mean like can get as close

00:14:35 ◼   ► as my it's really funny it's like I've

00:14:37 ◼   ► spent this week like not really using it

00:14:41 ◼   ► so much but like just like getting my

00:14:43 ◼   ► nose up almost up against the screen and

00:14:45 ◼   ► like trying to see the details and

00:14:47 ◼   ► that's what I think that's what

00:14:49 ◼   ► everybody does first time to get when

00:14:51 ◼   ► they just stick your face right up to

00:14:52 ◼   ► interest basically try to find pixel but

00:14:55 ◼   ► it really does with text especially it

00:14:57 ◼   ► is it to the naked eye you guys close

00:14:59 ◼   ► why you just don't see pixels even the

00:15:01 ◼   ► way you can when you get real close to

00:15:03 ◼   ► the iphone 4 and stuff like that right

00:15:05 ◼   ► well I mean so they don't do right think

00:15:07 ◼   ► you know this but they don't do

00:15:09 ◼   ► sub-pixel anti-aliasing on the devices

00:15:12 ◼   ► because you can change the orientation

00:15:13 ◼   ► and when you change the orientation you

00:15:16 ◼   ► can rely on the layout of the sub-pixels

00:15:19 ◼   ► the same way you can on desktop that was

00:15:21 ◼   ► so amazing because I swear to you that

00:15:23 ◼   ► was mine

00:15:23 ◼   ► question and i believe that we have to

00:15:25 ◼   ► I've asked you this privately like an

00:15:27 ◼   ► instant messenger years ago when you

00:15:29 ◼   ► you're my go-to guy for questions like

00:15:31 ◼   ► that that was that was my question is if

00:15:33 ◼   ► so why don't they do sub-pixel

00:15:35 ◼   ► anti-aliasing on right okay too so and

00:15:40 ◼   ► it's because it is so your answer is

00:15:42 ◼   ► more or less because it actually relies

00:15:44 ◼   ► on the order RGB obsessive pixels

00:15:47 ◼   ► exactly the physical layout to be

00:15:49 ◼   ► picture there you know going from left

00:15:51 ◼   ► to right on your scheme screen it's our

00:15:53 ◼   ► gbr gbr gbr gb and you can rely on that

00:15:57 ◼   ► when you draw on your your shape your

00:15:59 ◼   ► letter shape but now flip that so that

00:16:03 ◼   ► it's in vertical orientation and it's no

00:16:06 ◼   ► longer the same way right

00:16:07 ◼   ► it's like it's RGB going downwards

00:16:10 ◼   ► rather than going across so the

00:16:12 ◼   ► algorithm has to change and it's

00:16:13 ◼   ► basically just eat since you can't rely

00:16:16 ◼   ► on lay out a bit where the subjects was

00:16:18 ◼   ► going to be you can't really use the

00:16:21 ◼   ► same algorithm and since the phone is so

00:16:23 ◼   ► high density they just don't water even

00:16:25 ◼   ► the original phone with high-density so

00:16:28 ◼   ► one of the changes in mountain lion

00:16:30 ◼   ► which references back to what i was

00:16:32 ◼   ► saying before if one of the new things

00:16:34 ◼   ► in mountain lion is that text in layer

00:16:37 ◼   ► back views now gets the sub-pixel

00:16:41 ◼   ► anti-aliasing yes and this has been a

00:16:44 ◼   ► long time and it works right well it's

00:16:46 ◼   ► not an easy thing to do because I'm like

00:16:50 ◼   ► a layer is I'm trying to get at it

00:16:54 ◼   ► describe it but in so if you think of

00:16:57 ◼   ► and like you know I mean paper and you

00:17:00 ◼   ► drawn something you can overlay it on

00:17:01 ◼   ► something else you can see what's below

00:17:02 ◼   ► it right and basically later like that

00:17:05 ◼   ► you draw something on a layer and then

00:17:06 ◼   ► you place it over something else you can

00:17:08 ◼   ► see what's below it and you can posit

00:17:10 ◼   ► the scene with it with a series of these

00:17:12 ◼   ► sort of transparent layers now the issue

00:17:15 ◼   ► with anti-aliasing text is that you need

00:17:18 ◼   ► to auntie Lu set against the background

00:17:20 ◼   ► so if you're drawing text into a

00:17:23 ◼   ► transparent layer as you're drawing the

00:17:26 ◼   ► text you don't know what the background

00:17:28 ◼   ► is going to be as a background could be

00:17:30 ◼   ► animated it could be animated exactly

00:17:32 ◼   ► could be a lot of things so it's not

00:17:35 ◼   ► obvious had

00:17:37 ◼   ► it correctly antialiased text so they're

00:17:44 ◼   ► fixing this mountain lion that there's

00:17:46 ◼   ► change the way they handled entering the

00:17:48 ◼   ► text so that it does actually managed to

00:17:50 ◼   ► anti-alias in later back to you which is

00:17:54 ◼   ► amazing because I think we'll talk about

00:17:57 ◼   ► later but you know i'm working on mac

00:17:59 ◼   ► app and then we add a plan to make

00:18:03 ◼   ► anti-alias i lay back text work and it

00:18:06 ◼   ► was going to be a huge pain in the ass

00:18:07 ◼   ► to do but mountain lion just solves a

00:18:09 ◼   ► problem for us if we don't need to tell

00:18:11 ◼   ► me to worry about that we can come back

00:18:12 ◼   ► to that later

00:18:13 ◼   ► and so one of the things and weird

00:18:17 ◼   ► another thing that we're going to come

00:18:18 ◼   ► back to later but while we're on the

00:18:20 ◼   ► anti-aliasing i should mention it is

00:18:21 ◼   ► with the microsoft surface tablets which

00:18:25 ◼   ► they're saying with their displays

00:18:27 ◼   ► they're saying they have these cleartype

00:18:28 ◼   ► HD and cleartype full HD displays and

00:18:33 ◼   ► clear type is Microsoft's name for their

00:18:36 ◼   ► anti-aliasing algorithm yeah and it

00:18:39 ◼   ► again

00:18:39 ◼   ► anybody who's a nerd and really sweats

00:18:41 ◼   ► these details will know that if you look

00:18:43 ◼   ► at anti-alias text on mac and the same

00:18:46 ◼   ► fonts like on a webpage say on Windows

00:18:49 ◼   ► it looks different because they have a

00:18:50 ◼   ► different anti-aliasing algorithm which

00:18:52 ◼   ► some people prefers other people don't

00:18:54 ◼   ► but they call it clear type right it's

00:18:56 ◼   ► the original right so pixel

00:18:58 ◼   ► anti-aliasing actually i believe that is

00:19:00 ◼   ► true but i like what i think was did

00:19:04 ◼   ► something on the Apple too but that's

00:19:05 ◼   ► one of the things that stuck out to me

00:19:07 ◼   ► was it everything from here exactly one

00:19:11 ◼   ► of the things that that struck me that

00:19:13 ◼   ► with the announcement was exactly what

00:19:16 ◼   ► we just talked about was that that on

00:19:18 ◼   ► the iOS devices you don't get sub-pixel

00:19:21 ◼   ► anti-aliasing because you're going to

00:19:24 ◼   ► rotate the display they can order it so

00:19:25 ◼   ► then they say these things have clear

00:19:27 ◼   ► type displays and I wonder how they did

00:19:28 ◼   ► that and I believe what what were you

00:19:32 ◼   ► gonna say I just redefined the term yeah

00:19:35 ◼   ► that they're not really doing it has

00:19:37 ◼   ► nothing to do with the old cleartype

00:19:38 ◼   ► they're just reusing the nation

00:19:40 ◼   ► in the same way that they're reusing

00:19:41 ◼   ► surface right what you mean there's a

00:19:44 ◼   ► nuclear type just means a higher density

00:19:45 ◼   ► display that's my take on all right you

00:19:47 ◼   ► ever see the old surface the big

00:19:49 ◼   ► tabletop thing in person no I did once i

00:19:53 ◼   ► saw one up at Drexel University of a

00:19:55 ◼   ► couple of about a year ago I think

00:19:57 ◼   ► sometime in the last year I was up there

00:19:59 ◼   ► to do a little talk and a guy Ranna like

00:20:03 ◼   ► a robotics engineering lab that invited

00:20:05 ◼   ► me to do a little talk to your needle

00:20:07 ◼   ► adelphia and they had a surface and let

00:20:10 ◼   ► me play with it for a while and I could

00:20:12 ◼   ► not believe how lag it was it was like

00:20:14 ◼   ► giving latency is just dreadful like

00:20:16 ◼   ► they had it and they were doing some

00:20:18 ◼   ► cool stuff with that they were doing

00:20:19 ◼   ► some really cool stuff with mapping with

00:20:23 ◼   ► it like the grad students but they were

00:20:25 ◼   ► just getting killed by the latency was

00:20:27 ◼   ► just deadly I'm even if we I think even

00:20:30 ◼   ► pre ipad you know everybody would agree

00:20:32 ◼   ► with it was like he by any standards but

00:20:34 ◼   ► compared to what everybody was used to

00:20:36 ◼   ► it was it was horrendous

00:20:38 ◼   ► yeah I don't know that it would have

00:20:40 ◼   ► taken off regardless i mean it was sort

00:20:42 ◼   ► of i was gonna take off

00:20:43 ◼   ► that's right it's it was kind of

00:20:45 ◼   ► expensive is big and bulky and how many

00:20:47 ◼   ► people need that kind of stuff I thought

00:20:49 ◼   ► it was a cool idea is pretty interesting

00:20:50 ◼   ► but you don't want that ship the same as

00:20:52 ◼   ► the iPhone so right i cannot believe you

00:20:57 ◼   ► know what though I think long-term knows

00:20:58 ◼   ► somebody is going to make something like

00:21:00 ◼   ► that you know

00:21:01 ◼   ► yeah I mean you know that 10 years from

00:21:03 ◼   ► now wooden Apple have something that

00:21:05 ◼   ► size we're running iOS that you could

00:21:07 ◼   ► get me there's maybe maybe I think it's

00:21:08 ◼   ► an interesting form factor I think you

00:21:10 ◼   ► can do things in a shared space and

00:21:12 ◼   ► collaborate with it in in an interesting

00:21:14 ◼   ► way right it would be like to have

00:21:16 ◼   ► nailed it but I think they've got

00:21:17 ◼   ► they've got an idea that's pretty decent

00:21:19 ◼   ► it would be to iOS like what the mac pro

00:21:22 ◼   ► is to Mac os10 like something for video

00:21:25 ◼   ► that they're only going to sell a very

00:21:27 ◼   ► small sliver compared to the mass market

00:21:29 ◼   ► but that you could charge a lot of money

00:21:30 ◼   ► and the people who need it really want

00:21:32 ◼   ► right

00:21:33 ◼   ► you know I can see their kind of thing

00:21:35 ◼   ► in a store right totally or or you know

00:21:38 ◼   ► there are all sorts of retail type

00:21:41 ◼   ► situation and I think our classroom or

00:21:43 ◼   ► something like that

00:21:44 ◼   ► yeah take a shared space through very

00:21:48 ◼   ► flexible workspace not to mention it's

00:21:50 ◼   ► actually flat you can put stuff on it

00:21:52 ◼   ► crap

00:21:52 ◼   ► which is you know opens up a bunch of

00:21:54 ◼   ► other interesting tips possibilities

00:21:56 ◼   ► with the subject is all anti listen I

00:22:00 ◼   ► know one way that everybody i always see

00:22:02 ◼   ► it is when people are dicking around

00:22:03 ◼   ► with CSS and using like transparent

00:22:07 ◼   ► layers in CSS then instantly takes the

00:22:10 ◼   ► text into the non sub-pixel anti-aliased

00:22:14 ◼   ► right thing so I wonder if that gets

00:22:17 ◼   ► fixed automatically now on 10-8 i don't

00:22:20 ◼   ► know i have to look at that matters it's

00:22:22 ◼   ► about the WebKit guys will make it work

00:22:24 ◼   ► if the system supports that I bet they

00:22:26 ◼   ► do

00:22:26 ◼   ► edid see some pretty fancy stuff so you

00:22:32 ◼   ► know it's interesting I mean have you

00:22:33 ◼   ► seen it have you do you know any

00:22:34 ◼   ► candidate on that thing you know what

00:22:36 ◼   ► but I'm thinking after I'm i was

00:22:38 ◼   ► thinking that I should though but that's

00:22:40 ◼   ► what i was thinking before I do finish

00:22:41 ◼   ► my review i'm going to you know and I

00:22:43 ◼   ► don't know I feel a little bad putting a

00:22:46 ◼   ► beta on it a lot Apple owner but I feel

00:22:48 ◼   ► like it even if it goes bad I can always

00:22:50 ◼   ► just reinstall lion on the thing

00:22:52 ◼   ► well I mean if you get with the USB

00:22:53 ◼   ► Drive just love that and put it on that

00:22:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah i guess so i don't know there

00:22:59 ◼   ► might be I don't know and I think

00:23:02 ◼   ► they're gonna care that you put that

00:23:04 ◼   ► really don't think they're going to give

00:23:05 ◼   ► you

00:23:06 ◼   ► yeah I don't think she'll but i do feel

00:23:07 ◼   ► i would feel a little guilty mail it

00:23:09 ◼   ► back to him like if it were breaking I

00:23:11 ◼   ► go exactly it's like a brick

00:23:13 ◼   ► thanks hon thanks man

00:23:16 ◼   ► no I do and I don't know iight i to III

00:23:19 ◼   ► tried to take good care of all my stuff

00:23:21 ◼   ► i mean like my knock on wood my iphone

00:23:24 ◼   ► 4s is still like an in perfect shape but

00:23:27 ◼   ► I with the Apple review stuff i take

00:23:29 ◼   ► extra good care of it and i'm sure they

00:23:31 ◼   ► actually don't care like if you mailed

00:23:33 ◼   ► it back and it was like nicked up and

00:23:35 ◼   ► add things on and stuff what do they

00:23:36 ◼   ► care i mean i forgot to give the things

00:23:38 ◼   ► out like candy but i feel like i don't

00:23:41 ◼   ► know if it's it's like the sense of

00:23:43 ◼   ► politeness like when you're in somebody

00:23:44 ◼   ► else's home you know like you you you're

00:23:46 ◼   ► more careful as careful as you are in

00:23:48 ◼   ► your own home not to put your shoes on

00:23:50 ◼   ► on the furniture

00:23:51 ◼   ► I'm twice as careful and somebody else's

00:23:53 ◼   ► home and that's what I feel like when

00:23:55 ◼   ► I'm using the apple of existence right

00:23:57 ◼   ► well I mean if it makes you feel any

00:23:58 ◼   ► better I wouldn't trust anything that

00:24:01 ◼   ► you emailed me back to being in your

00:24:02 ◼   ► home for awhile either i just you know

00:24:04 ◼   ► things going right in the furnace right

00:24:06 ◼   ► is done with it

00:24:08 ◼   ► that is true object that is what they do

00:24:10 ◼   ► to that I mail it back to them and they

00:24:12 ◼   ► just like white gloves they just turn it

00:24:14 ◼   ► up and put it into an incinerator

00:24:18 ◼   ► I'm bed they do the sensible thing to do

00:24:20 ◼   ► right right into whatever the whatever

00:24:23 ◼   ► they recycle the stuff you know somebody

00:24:26 ◼   ► said you know anything about this just

00:24:28 ◼   ► some sort of jumping all over the place

00:24:29 ◼   ► you but uh there was the thing about the

00:24:31 ◼   ► the macbook pro not being upgradeable

00:24:35 ◼   ► and and that you can't get into a blonde

00:24:37 ◼   ► that I fix-it guy he also said he talked

00:24:39 ◼   ► to his pals in the recycling industry

00:24:41 ◼   ► and that the way it's all glued together

00:24:44 ◼   ► means that that they don't know how it

00:24:46 ◼   ► could be recycled

00:24:47 ◼   ► I thought that was nonsense because I

00:24:49 ◼   ► thought if you wanted to recycle an

00:24:51 ◼   ► apple product that you're not using

00:24:52 ◼   ► anymore you just go into the apple store

00:24:53 ◼   ► and say here i'm done with this thing

00:24:54 ◼   ► and then it they just take it that's

00:24:56 ◼   ► their problem

00:24:57 ◼   ► ya done it i I've died I haven't done in

00:25:00 ◼   ► a while I sort of let a lot of my old

00:25:02 ◼   ► Apple kit that i own pile up but i was

00:25:04 ◼   ► thinking I'd it actually reminded me

00:25:06 ◼   ► that maybe i should bring some of this

00:25:07 ◼   ► stuff in like do I really need a powerpc

00:25:09 ◼   ► powerbook anymore

00:25:11 ◼   ► probably not meeting maybe we get me

00:25:15 ◼   ► dude shut up and stop calling macbook

00:25:17 ◼   ► pros powerbooks if I actually but I is

00:25:20 ◼   ► what I thought is it's not your problem

00:25:21 ◼   ► you don't have to go it's not like you

00:25:23 ◼   ► buy a macbook pro and when you want to

00:25:25 ◼   ► recycle it you've got to go and pried

00:25:26 ◼   ► apart with a screwdriver and separate

00:25:28 ◼   ► the aluminum from the glass and all that

00:25:30 ◼   ► you just give it to happen to their

00:25:31 ◼   ► problem

00:25:32 ◼   ► yeah and I mean I gotta you know yet to

00:25:34 ◼   ► be born again and you know just takes

00:25:36 ◼   ► one he calls up his recycling buddy be

00:25:39 ◼   ► like hey you know how to recycle isn't

00:25:41 ◼   ► as a no well it's not like you can't

00:25:45 ◼   ► figure it out in audiences he's asked

00:25:48 ◼   ► you silly that whole scandal is

00:25:50 ◼   ► ridiculous to me i don't understand it

00:25:52 ◼   ► at all and so it's designing you know I

00:25:56 ◼   ► used to build my own pieces and stuff

00:25:57 ◼   ► and that i'm still that's over right

00:26:00 ◼   ► time i get inland I can't believe people

00:26:02 ◼   ► at the thing that gets me is that

00:26:04 ◼   ► everybody acts each time like it's a new

00:26:05 ◼   ► story right i remember you used to be

00:26:09 ◼   ► able to buy even on a Mac it wasn't even

00:26:12 ◼   ► just a pc thing you could buy processor

00:26:14 ◼   ► upgrades right like that magazines were

00:26:17 ◼   ► macworld was full of it was a huge thing

00:26:19 ◼   ► because your computer did cost it costs

00:26:22 ◼   ► so much back then like you by like a new

00:26:24 ◼   ► mac to see I and 1991 and it was like

00:26:28 ◼   ► five grand and then like two years later

00:26:32 ◼   ► you could buy like a a cpu upgrade for

00:26:35 ◼   ► nine hundred dollars rather than buy a

00:26:37 ◼   ► new four thousand dollars a computer

00:26:39 ◼   ► well that was actually you know it's

00:26:41 ◼   ► pretty pretty reasonable thing to do you

00:26:43 ◼   ► know I mean I i don't think i ever

00:26:45 ◼   ► bought this processor upgrade but it was

00:26:47 ◼   ► always nice to know that you could write

00:26:49 ◼   ► and I think that's sort of the comfort

00:26:51 ◼   ► is what some people are missing but i

00:26:54 ◼   ► think he nailed it with it with the the

00:26:56 ◼   ► price when it's 5,000 bucks that's a lot

00:26:59 ◼   ► of money trying to keep it going you

00:27:01 ◼   ► know but when like like whats this red

00:27:03 ◼   ► Mack 2211 i think it starts to 2020 $200

00:27:08 ◼   ► us i mean which you know that's a chunk

00:27:10 ◼   ► of change but it's less than half of

00:27:14 ◼   ► what look it look at good max across you

00:27:17 ◼   ► and it's good gonna last longer and it's

00:27:20 ◼   ► a lot more usable and register I just

00:27:23 ◼   ► really don't understand it if you didn't

00:27:26 ◼   ► see this coming after the ipod shipped

00:27:28 ◼   ► without you know double-a batteries i

00:27:31 ◼   ► don't want to say it's been like 10

00:27:33 ◼   ► years now right and you do pay a little

00:27:35 ◼   ► bit of a premium but it's not as

00:27:37 ◼   ► anywhere near as much as it used to be

00:27:39 ◼   ► like seif forget who priced it out i

00:27:41 ◼   ► think of it i think it was i think was

00:27:43 ◼   ► Marcos podcast last week but pressure

00:27:47 ◼   ► was Marcone and Dan talking about it

00:27:50 ◼   ► where if you if you'd upgrade if you buy

00:27:56 ◼   ► the old 15-inch macbook pro the new old

00:28:00 ◼   ► one non-retina one and in the build

00:28:03 ◼   ► order upgrade to an SSD and instead of

00:28:07 ◼   ► spinning hard drive it it almost comes

00:28:10 ◼   ► out to like more than the price of the

00:28:12 ◼   ► macbook pro with retina display that has

00:28:14 ◼   ► one built in and even if you like go to

00:28:17 ◼   ► OWCA or one of those places and by the

00:28:20 ◼   ► SSD yourself so you're not paying the

00:28:23 ◼   ► Apple premium for it it still comes out

00:28:25 ◼   ► about even like it's actually not that

00:28:28 ◼   ► much of a premium for it

00:28:30 ◼   ► lets you know obviously I think that

00:28:31 ◼   ► they've got these things packed in a way

00:28:33 ◼   ► that you know it

00:28:35 ◼   ► there really are engineering trade-offs

00:28:36 ◼   ► for that's the other thing that gets me

00:28:38 ◼   ► is that people who make this assumption

00:28:39 ◼   ► that Apple's doing this out of that of

00:28:41 ◼   ► upgrades might and it's not about

00:28:44 ◼   ► engineering problems i mean i can't

00:28:47 ◼   ► prove that it is i can't prove that

00:28:49 ◼   ► gluing the i forget what include

00:28:52 ◼   ► something is glued in there but whatever

00:28:54 ◼   ► it is that's glued rather than using

00:28:56 ◼   ► screws i think it might be the SSD I

00:28:58 ◼   ► can't prove that that's an engineering

00:29:00 ◼   ► thing and that they're solving a real

00:29:02 ◼   ► problem and that the not having little

00:29:04 ◼   ► screw mounts makes it even thinner than

00:29:06 ◼   ► it could be but I'm that's what i would

00:29:08 ◼   ► bet that they're solving an engineering

00:29:10 ◼   ► problem and that bet that to you

00:29:13 ◼   ► I mean it why

00:29:18 ◼   ► like what why would they bother it like

00:29:21 ◼   ► there-there Apple things about the

00:29:23 ◼   ► product there I don't think they'd spend

00:29:27 ◼   ► a lot of time thinking about how to

00:29:28 ◼   ► screw random people that want to upgrade

00:29:30 ◼   ► their SSD this right does it drive don't

00:29:34 ◼   ► you finish first you finish hers was

00:29:38 ◼   ► gonna say yeah I think it's a byproduct

00:29:39 ◼   ► that people can't mess with these things

00:29:43 ◼   ► rather than the like an intent right I'd

00:29:47 ◼   ► and I don't think it's any coincidence

00:29:48 ◼   ► that as the devices get thinner and

00:29:52 ◼   ► lighter that's when these trade-offs are

00:29:54 ◼   ► made right right it's the air in its the

00:29:58 ◼   ► air that that you can't replace the you

00:30:00 ◼   ► know that the ram is soldered on the

00:30:02 ◼   ► motherboard and edits on the 13-inch

00:30:04 ◼   ► macbook pro which still has a

00:30:05 ◼   ► traditional form factor

00:30:07 ◼   ► there's still a little screw panel you

00:30:08 ◼   ► can take off and get it out and it's

00:30:10 ◼   ► when the macbook pro went to this

00:30:12 ◼   ► quarter introduction and height that

00:30:15 ◼   ► that they switched that I mean I think

00:30:17 ◼   ► this I think the reason they have the

00:30:20 ◼   ► old Mac the old-new macros and this one

00:30:23 ◼   ► is it you know this is basically a

00:30:25 ◼   ► shipping and was a prototype but it's a

00:30:28 ◼   ► it's the next street is the next

00:30:31 ◼   ► generation of stuff like when they ship

00:30:32 ◼   ► the air and it was just as one unique

00:30:35 ◼   ► sort of thing was a new approach

00:30:38 ◼   ► I think this retina mac book pro is the

00:30:40 ◼   ► same kind of thing I would

00:30:41 ◼   ► ship this product we're gonna basically

00:30:45 ◼   ► it's the it's showing the way forward

00:30:49 ◼   ► it's like this is the way everything's

00:30:50 ◼   ► gonna go we're going to ship this one

00:30:52 ◼   ► we're gonna be eventually doing this

00:30:54 ◼   ► sort of aesthetic and approach to the

00:30:57 ◼   ► product across the entire line let me

00:31:02 ◼   ► take a break here and thank our first

00:31:04 ◼   ► sponsor do you use fantastic alki I do

00:31:09 ◼   ► actually find it in fantastic all

00:31:12 ◼   ► fantastical is our first sponsor and and

00:31:16 ◼   ► the thing that always strikes me about

00:31:17 ◼   ► fantastical is this

00:31:19 ◼   ► in the old days I'm talking way back

00:31:21 ◼   ► like beginning Mac os10 i think but

00:31:25 ◼   ► certainly the mac OS 9 era Apple stayed

00:31:27 ◼   ► away from making the apps that you use

00:31:31 ◼   ► on a daily basis we didn't even ship mac

00:31:33 ◼   ► OS didn't even ship with an email client

00:31:35 ◼   ► the old days didn't have calendar didn't

00:31:36 ◼   ► have an address book and eventually that

00:31:39 ◼   ► I think that became untenable and they

00:31:40 ◼   ► had to you know sort of everybody assume

00:31:42 ◼   ► that your system is going to come with

00:31:43 ◼   ► stuff like that so the good news was

00:31:45 ◼   ► well there's a system-wide calendar and

00:31:47 ◼   ► address book

00:31:48 ◼   ► the bad news is that meant that

00:31:50 ◼   ► third-party address books and calendars

00:31:52 ◼   ► really really the sort of kind of got

00:31:54 ◼   ► wiped out because they sort of their

00:31:57 ◼   ► business model was based on the idea

00:31:59 ◼   ► that there's an opportunity there and it

00:32:02 ◼   ► was taken away

00:32:04 ◼   ► well I I i think some funnies happened

00:32:06 ◼   ► over the years though we're with some of

00:32:08 ◼   ► these apps and I think I Cal is the

00:32:10 ◼   ► first and foremost I think that's on

00:32:11 ◼   ► everybody's hit list is one of the war

00:32:13 ◼   ► steps apple makes a huge opportunity for

00:32:17 ◼   ► third-party apps because it stinks i

00:32:20 ◼   ► mean i have never heard anybody and

00:32:22 ◼   ► anybody get started in Iran about ical

00:32:24 ◼   ► I've never heard anybody stand up and

00:32:26 ◼   ► defend it and say boy I really like that

00:32:28 ◼   ► count fantastical is a is a calendar app

00:32:32 ◼   ► for the mac and instead of trying to do

00:32:35 ◼   ► the same thing as i can but with a

00:32:36 ◼   ► better interface it is like a complete

00:32:38 ◼   ► rethinking of how you interact with a

00:32:42 ◼   ► calendar on your Mac it's a little thing

00:32:44 ◼   ► that lives up in your menubar and you

00:32:46 ◼   ► click it or you have a little lat

00:32:48 ◼   ► you can assign a keyboard shortcut to

00:32:50 ◼   ► drop it down just a little skinny panel

00:32:52 ◼   ► that drops down from your menu bar shows

00:32:54 ◼   ► you this month

00:32:55 ◼   ► under eye and it shows you in a little

00:32:59 ◼   ► list today tomorrow the next day next

00:33:01 ◼   ► three days three four days of your

00:33:03 ◼   ► events so here's some here's a calendar

00:33:05 ◼   ► for the month

00:33:06 ◼   ► here's your events and this is the part

00:33:09 ◼   ► that gets me because this is the thing

00:33:10 ◼   ► that's the worst about ical is when you

00:33:12 ◼   ► want to make a new event you just type

00:33:14 ◼   ► in a text field in plain language and it

00:33:17 ◼   ► just parses it and as its parsing it

00:33:20 ◼   ► it uses this this great interface to

00:33:22 ◼   ► sort of show you what it thinks you're

00:33:25 ◼   ► typing so if you just type talk show

00:33:29 ◼   ► thursday 1pm it just knows that that the

00:33:33 ◼   ► event name is talk show thursday it

00:33:36 ◼   ► noses this next thursday and you type 1

00:33:38 ◼   ► pianos you mean 1pm and hit return and

00:33:42 ◼   ► boom there it is a new event on your

00:33:44 ◼   ► calendar so instead of like the way I

00:33:45 ◼   ► characterizing not starting that's every

00:33:47 ◼   ► time where it's like you type the name

00:33:49 ◼   ► and then you go over to the field and

00:33:50 ◼   ► you pick a month and you go over to the

00:33:52 ◼   ► next field and you pick a day and every

00:33:55 ◼   ► single thing is like tab to a new field

00:33:56 ◼   ► tab to a new field just one field you

00:34:00 ◼   ► type in plaintext it does an amazing job

00:34:02 ◼   ► guessing what you're doing and visually

00:34:06 ◼   ► it's a beautiful app it is so convenient

00:34:08 ◼   ► so it's great for two things that I

00:34:10 ◼   ► Cal's totally crap for one what's going

00:34:14 ◼   ► on what's on my schedule today tomorrow

00:34:16 ◼   ► the next few days

00:34:17 ◼   ► easy easy obvious interface for it and

00:34:20 ◼   ► for new event creation you just can't

00:34:23 ◼   ► beat it

00:34:23 ◼   ► i would i would buy it even if it didn't

00:34:25 ◼   ► even have a view i would buy fantastical

00:34:27 ◼   ► just for the text field for creating new

00:34:30 ◼   ► events I think you should want an ad i

00:34:33 ◼   ► think it didn't because it's an

00:34:36 ◼   ► unconventional app in that it sits in

00:34:39 ◼   ► the menu bar rather than having a main

00:34:40 ◼   ► window that's a good point i do think

00:34:43 ◼   ► and I you know what I think the other

00:34:44 ◼   ► reason that I don't think it would win a

00:34:46 ◼   ► DA is the internal politics of it is

00:34:48 ◼   ► that it makes ical look so bad Frank

00:34:50 ◼   ► exactly

00:34:51 ◼   ► I'm you know it's a good a calibrator it

00:34:54 ◼   ► really is it's it's it's going to give

00:34:57 ◼   ► it a GD a right and so there's other

00:34:59 ◼   ► ones you know i'll just mention like

00:35:00 ◼   ► there's busy cow right and I mentioned a

00:35:03 ◼   ► competitor while talking about this week

00:35:05 ◼   ► sponsor because fantastic if you use

00:35:07 ◼   ► busy cal as

00:35:08 ◼   ► your ical replacement fantastical

00:35:10 ◼   ► integrates great with it the one good

00:35:12 ◼   ► thing about the apple/system is that

00:35:14 ◼   ► it's a system provided calendar store

00:35:16 ◼   ► like it works with your calendars that

00:35:18 ◼   ► you've set up and I count the same way

00:35:20 ◼   ► that busy so if you're busy Cal user

00:35:21 ◼   ► which I am I don't use ical for anything

00:35:23 ◼   ► if I need a big full screen

00:35:26 ◼   ► here's a you know take up the whole

00:35:27 ◼   ► screen thing i use busy count but

00:35:28 ◼   ► fantastic out works great with busy cow

00:35:31 ◼   ► right but i would buy it just for the

00:35:34 ◼   ► the the input such a great app and

00:35:39 ◼   ► here's the best thing the best thing is

00:35:40 ◼   ► they're having I then this this one

00:35:42 ◼   ► thing about this doesn't make any sense

00:35:44 ◼   ► they're having a back-to-school

00:35:45 ◼   ► promotion now this i don't understand

00:35:47 ◼   ► it's it's June my kid just got out of

00:35:49 ◼   ► school last week

00:35:51 ◼   ► well did you know they don't know

00:35:53 ◼   ► anything about dates those guys

00:35:55 ◼   ► yeah I don't know that there have it i

00:35:56 ◼   ► think they got the calendar on but that

00:35:59 ◼   ► they're having a back-to-school

00:36:00 ◼   ► promotion and it's fifty percent off

00:36:03 ◼   ► well so everybody can get you can buy

00:36:05 ◼   ► fantastical for 999 its regularly 1999

00:36:09 ◼   ► you can get it now for 999 I think

00:36:11 ◼   ► you're nuts if you don't have this app

00:36:13 ◼   ► and you don't even have to take my word

00:36:15 ◼   ► for it because they have a 14-day free

00:36:16 ◼   ► trial man just do it

00:36:20 ◼   ► yeah I don't just do honestly it's with

00:36:22 ◼   ► ten bucks just to check out like if you

00:36:24 ◼   ► have any interest in sort of a I or

00:36:27 ◼   ► pausing anything just pay the 10 bucks

00:36:30 ◼   ► type a few things into that field and

00:36:31 ◼   ► see how good job is is it it's terrific

00:36:34 ◼   ► yeah so you can just google fantastical

00:36:35 ◼   ► go to the website or you can just go to

00:36:37 ◼   ► flex a bit fle x ibit s.com and check it

00:36:42 ◼   ► out

00:36:43 ◼   ► 14-day free trial 999 back-to-school

00:36:46 ◼   ► promotion in the middle of june is a

00:36:49 ◼   ► fantastic at my thanks to them for

00:36:50 ◼   ► sponsoring the show this week so back to

00:36:55 ◼   ► WC yeah I have two more things I want to

00:36:58 ◼   ► talk about from WWDC and I got a couple

00:37:00 ◼   ► of things to all right well one of them

00:37:02 ◼   ► is is the pull to refresh that they've

00:37:05 ◼   ► added to iOS yeah which is something

00:37:08 ◼   ► I've been hoping they would do but the

00:37:10 ◼   ► wondering if they never would write out

00:37:13 ◼   ► of pride

00:37:14 ◼   ► well two factors there's two factors

00:37:17 ◼   ► there one is pride

00:37:18 ◼   ► I well I would say three actually

00:37:22 ◼   ► pride obvious pneus and patents right so

00:37:30 ◼   ► pride is that it was not invented by

00:37:33 ◼   ► them it was invented by lauren Richter

00:37:35 ◼   ► for his 14 Tweety his you know which is

00:37:39 ◼   ► now really in doing that which is now

00:37:42 ◼   ► did been right well now it's the

00:37:45 ◼   ► official twitter client now it's not the

00:37:46 ◼   ► same

00:37:47 ◼   ► that's not that's not Tweety now but he

00:37:50 ◼   ► invented for tweeting so pride would be

00:37:53 ◼   ► well he invented it and it was different

00:37:55 ◼   ► than anything apple had come up with and

00:37:59 ◼   ► so maybe they would their pride would

00:38:00 ◼   ► keep them from adopting something that

00:38:02 ◼   ► came from the third-party obvious is

00:38:06 ◼   ► that and this is the day I think the

00:38:08 ◼   ► worst argument and I don't really think

00:38:09 ◼   ► even Apple would go for it is that it's

00:38:12 ◼   ► there I OS favors the visual over the

00:38:16 ◼   ► implied and gestures and iOS are almost

00:38:19 ◼   ► always for things that there's a visual

00:38:21 ◼   ► way to do so like you know the shortcuts

00:38:26 ◼   ► that take gestures there's usually a

00:38:27 ◼   ► button that you could tap to do it too

00:38:30 ◼   ► but that doesn't really hold water

00:38:32 ◼   ► because nobody's saying that they should

00:38:34 ◼   ► get rid of the reload button and only

00:38:36 ◼   ► have pulled over fresh they should just

00:38:38 ◼   ► add it as something else and it doesn't

00:38:40 ◼   ► take anything away

00:38:41 ◼   ► well have you seen what they did do I

00:38:44 ◼   ► didn't but I don't have it in front of

00:38:46 ◼   ► me right now they did exactly that they

00:38:48 ◼   ► got rid of the refresh button only that

00:38:51 ◼   ► progression male I didn't notice that

00:38:54 ◼   ► yeah which I find weird i would

00:38:55 ◼   ► personally I would keep the button

00:38:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah I would've kept the button to

00:38:59 ◼   ► button certain anybody know and you know

00:39:02 ◼   ► it was so I'm thinking that most i think

00:39:07 ◼   ► i'm thinking that their line of thinking

00:39:10 ◼   ► is that most people have push email like

00:39:14 ◼   ► it's you don't actually need to refresh

00:39:15 ◼   ► your email that much

00:39:17 ◼   ► by default just come in mm so getting

00:39:22 ◼   ► the buttons not that big a deal and if

00:39:24 ◼   ► you want to pull to refresh well you've

00:39:25 ◼   ► got it right

00:39:26 ◼   ► that's good because I've said this

00:39:28 ◼   ► before you know and and even now because

00:39:31 ◼   ► on my main phone i still haven't

00:39:32 ◼   ► upgraded to 6 beta but

00:39:34 ◼   ► I because of pull-to-refresh and how

00:39:37 ◼   ► many other apps third-party apps I use

00:39:38 ◼   ► that have adopted it I i pulled a

00:39:41 ◼   ► refreshing mail every time i'm reading

00:39:43 ◼   ► mail on my phone every time I just do it

00:39:46 ◼   ► I can't help but think that that's why

00:39:47 ◼   ► they finally broke down and an added it

00:39:49 ◼   ► is that they were doing it to probably

00:39:51 ◼   ► and it's just it's just a good idea just

00:39:53 ◼   ► makes sense and you know what they

00:39:55 ◼   ► didn't just added to mail it's actually

00:39:56 ◼   ► added to the underlying frameworks any

00:39:59 ◼   ► table you can have a pull to refresh now

00:40:01 ◼   ► right which is a big deal i think it's a

00:40:05 ◼   ► sort of it to second official embrace

00:40:07 ◼   ► it's not just that they've added it to a

00:40:08 ◼   ► nap it's officially embrace that

00:40:10 ◼   ► sprinkler system and now they did in a

00:40:12 ◼   ► kind of a weird way it is that little

00:40:13 ◼   ► animation thing like it looks like a

00:40:16 ◼   ► water droplet the eastwood pull apart or

00:40:18 ◼   ► like maybe like a piece of putty that

00:40:22 ◼   ► you have stretching and then you want to

00:40:23 ◼   ► you reach a breaking point and that

00:40:26 ◼   ► yeah and then it yeah and like you said

00:40:28 ◼   ► with cable last week it it triggers when

00:40:31 ◼   ► you drink that the party rather than

00:40:33 ◼   ► when you will like let go of me I'm

00:40:35 ◼   ► right which is a bit weird but the other

00:40:38 ◼   ► thing I kind of find a bit weird is it

00:40:40 ◼   ► Lawrence implementation and pretty much

00:40:42 ◼   ► all the other ones have some text

00:40:44 ◼   ► telling you what's going to happen and

00:40:47 ◼   ► the apple one just has this party

00:40:49 ◼   ► you don't mean it doesn't say like

00:40:51 ◼   ► pull-to-refresh sure it doesn't say

00:40:53 ◼   ► what's going to happen something you

00:40:55 ◼   ► know right they've actually made it less

00:40:57 ◼   ► obvious

00:40:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's not clear what's gonna

00:41:00 ◼   ► happen when you break that thing right

00:41:03 ◼   ► with Lauren's it was as soon as you

00:41:05 ◼   ► pulled the view you're at the top of the

00:41:07 ◼   ► view and as soon as you pull it down a

00:41:08 ◼   ► little bit it would say like hey keep

00:41:11 ◼   ► going you can pull the refresh me and I

00:41:15 ◼   ► actually chatted briefly with Lauren

00:41:17 ◼   ► about it just a I I thought it was his

00:41:20 ◼   ► reaction to it was exactly what I

00:41:21 ◼   ► expected but i just wanted to check to

00:41:24 ◼   ► make sure i want to say hey to you is it

00:41:27 ◼   ► like a thrill you kind of honored or you

00:41:29 ◼   ► feel ripped off and he's like thrilled

00:41:31 ◼   ► he thinks it's absolutely great that

00:41:33 ◼   ► Apple is is putting it in the system now

00:41:36 ◼   ► but like us hehe dis you know he doesn't

00:41:40 ◼   ► think that the new all you have to do is

00:41:43 ◼   ► pull and not let go that he did he did

00:41:46 ◼   ► he likes his implementation

00:41:47 ◼   ► better right so I so this is a good

00:41:50 ◼   ► discussion we had last week I don't

00:41:52 ◼   ► think you were there but there's a

00:41:53 ◼   ► couple of us a table in Moscow knee in

00:41:56 ◼   ► between sessions were talking about

00:41:58 ◼   ► did Apple make that change so that it

00:42:02 ◼   ► happens only when you after only by

00:42:04 ◼   ► pulling not by pulling letting go

00:42:06 ◼   ► did they do that out of pride like like

00:42:09 ◼   ► they've convinced themselves like now we

00:42:11 ◼   ► you know we didn't do it before but now

00:42:13 ◼   ► we've come up with a way to make pull

00:42:15 ◼   ► refresh right or is it a patent thing

00:42:19 ◼   ► that the patent that twitter has on

00:42:21 ◼   ► polar of fresh apples implementation

00:42:23 ◼   ► doesn't violate the letter of it that

00:42:28 ◼   ► knows combination i don't know I to me

00:42:31 ◼   ► and it might just be my general version

00:42:34 ◼   ► like repulsion I'm repulsed by software

00:42:37 ◼   ► patents on silly things that I say no

00:42:40 ◼   ► it's not the patent thing but I forget

00:42:42 ◼   ► who it was that it was Matthew panza

00:42:44 ◼   ► Reno was at the table and I think he was

00:42:46 ◼   ► like reading he pulled up Twitter's

00:42:48 ◼   ► patent application on it and and those

00:42:51 ◼   ► pants I mean I just think I get two

00:42:53 ◼   ► seconds into him and I just fall asleep

00:42:54 ◼   ► i'm out i'm just it's like it's it's

00:42:58 ◼   ► like a sedative

00:42:58 ◼   ► it just puts me right out because of the

00:43:00 ◼   ► way they're written but he was reading

00:43:01 ◼   ► it and his you know layman's reading of

00:43:04 ◼   ► it was that you

00:43:05 ◼   ► you know that the patent describes pull

00:43:06 ◼   ► down and let go and that if you you know

00:43:09 ◼   ► that the apples actually on the good on

00:43:11 ◼   ► you know so if that's actually the case

00:43:12 ◼   ► that they had lawyers who said you know

00:43:14 ◼   ► you've got to do this then I feel feel

00:43:16 ◼   ► bad for the engineers who did it if it's

00:43:19 ◼   ► because they think that this is better

00:43:21 ◼   ► and you're out there listening please

00:43:23 ◼   ► please please change it to two more

00:43:25 ◼   ► closely follow the treaty model before

00:43:28 ◼   ► iOS 6 finishes I really think that that

00:43:31 ◼   ► this is not an improvement

00:43:32 ◼   ► well this is not just me all right it's

00:43:34 ◼   ► going to be absent we're going to be

00:43:36 ◼   ► doing that right so I'm I mean it could

00:43:41 ◼   ► be the patents but it they have a lot of

00:43:46 ◼   ► patent fights right i don't think that

00:43:48 ◼   ► they intentionally avoids doing what

00:43:50 ◼   ► they think is great to it you know to

00:43:53 ◼   ► avoid up to avoid patent they think

00:43:55 ◼   ► they're constantly having patent but

00:43:57 ◼   ► it's okay one thing that I think is

00:43:59 ◼   ► irrelevant irrelevant

00:44:01 ◼   ► his Twitter's promise not to use

00:44:04 ◼   ► software patents yeah aggressively which

00:44:09 ◼   ► is admirable

00:44:10 ◼   ► I'm glad they did it's certainly better

00:44:12 ◼   ► it's better than nothing and it's you

00:44:14 ◼   ► know it's an admirable stands for the

00:44:15 ◼   ► company to take but i think it's

00:44:17 ◼   ► irrelevant because there is zero chance

00:44:18 ◼   ► that Apple's lawyers give two craps

00:44:20 ◼   ► about what Twitter is quote/unquote

00:44:22 ◼   ► promised exactly

00:44:23 ◼   ► yeah i mean i'd i'd believe them exactly

00:44:26 ◼   ► i think there but that doesn't mean it

00:44:28 ◼   ► it's not legally binding and handling

00:44:31 ◼   ► soon

00:44:31 ◼   ► exactly and whose you know you know if a

00:44:34 ◼   ► new CEO comes into twitter he doesn't

00:44:36 ◼   ► give two craps with the old CEO set

00:44:38 ◼   ► right well exactly i mean used to say

00:44:40 ◼   ► that Google is my Twitter and then

00:44:41 ◼   ► reinstall the pants to New gabble

00:44:43 ◼   ► exactly whatever right

00:44:45 ◼   ► yeah alright so what are you get so I

00:44:50 ◼   ► got a couple of things that I just want

00:44:52 ◼   ► to talk about um so you had a bit

00:44:54 ◼   ► regarding at possible tall screen iphone

00:44:58 ◼   ► yes right and you suppose that they were

00:45:03 ◼   ► pitch it at WWDC by i'm having the

00:45:08 ◼   ► notifications sort of push down the view

00:45:11 ◼   ► tune and they would encourage developers

00:45:14 ◼   ► to make their layout more flexible

00:45:17 ◼   ► vertically right right so one thing they

00:45:21 ◼   ► did add which nobody's really talked

00:45:23 ◼   ► about much is they've added an auto

00:45:26 ◼   ► layout system to iOS where you can

00:45:30 ◼   ► describe the relationship between

00:45:31 ◼   ► various controls and how they react to a

00:45:33 ◼   ► screen size changes so it's nice now

00:45:36 ◼   ► like that you can sort of say well this

00:45:38 ◼   ► you know this button should be at the

00:45:41 ◼   ► end of this text field and with you know

00:45:43 ◼   ► eight pixels in between it and they

00:45:46 ◼   ► should both be clapped the right-hand

00:45:47 ◼   ► side of the screen so that we need

00:45:48 ◼   ► change the orientation all of the

00:45:51 ◼   ► control certainly out nicely right it's

00:45:53 ◼   ► like a way of saying these things should

00:45:55 ◼   ► be at the bottom

00:45:56 ◼   ► these things should be at the top and

00:45:57 ◼   ► you don't have to define how wide the

00:46:00 ◼   ► middle is right yeah you just described

00:46:02 ◼   ► the relationships between the items and

00:46:05 ◼   ► basically they're like where they

00:46:07 ◼   ► respected the top and bottom left of the

00:46:09 ◼   ► bed or whatever so that's in ios6 now

00:46:14 ◼   ► that's like seems like that would be

00:46:17 ◼   ► kind of handy for you know another

00:46:19 ◼   ► device with a different shape screen

00:46:21 ◼   ► right or yeah or an app that doesn't

00:46:24 ◼   ► know the size of the screen

00:46:26 ◼   ► exactly because for you know it there

00:46:28 ◼   ► are a hundred million iphones out there

00:46:32 ◼   ► with this size that the current size

00:46:34 ◼   ► screen 1.12 one point that the 322

00:46:37 ◼   ► aspect ratio iphone screen so even if

00:46:40 ◼   ► it's true that the next iPhone has a

00:46:42 ◼   ► wider taller whatever you want to

00:46:44 ◼   ► describe it screen it's not like apps

00:46:47 ◼   ► will switch to the new dimension they're

00:46:50 ◼   ► going to have to support both but all

00:46:52 ◼   ► right exactly and the auto layout stuff

00:46:55 ◼   ► that's one of those that's a technology

00:46:57 ◼   ► that started on Mac os10 that's not new

00:46:59 ◼   ► its new to ios6 but it's not new to Coco

00:47:03 ◼   ► know they edited in Lyon right and

00:47:05 ◼   ► that's you know and it's useful for the

00:47:08 ◼   ► mac obviously because windows most

00:47:10 ◼   ► windows are arbitrarily resizable right

00:47:13 ◼   ► yeah but it's interesting that they're

00:47:15 ◼   ► taking that like a technology designed

00:47:18 ◼   ► for arbitrarily sizable windows and

00:47:20 ◼   ► bring it to a device with a fixed size

00:47:21 ◼   ► screen right which you know makes me

00:47:24 ◼   ► think that at the very least they're

00:47:26 ◼   ► building in a system that will be able

00:47:29 ◼   ► to support various sized screens it at

00:47:32 ◼   ► some point in the future right i don't i

00:47:33 ◼   ► don't want to play games and be coy with

00:47:35 ◼   ► the NDA on session contents but i will

00:47:40 ◼   ► say i haven't seen I didn't see the auto

00:47:42 ◼   ► layout sessions but there at like at the

00:47:44 ◼   ► top of my cue from the download list

00:47:46 ◼   ► from the videos that came out yesterday

00:47:47 ◼   ► or two days ago actually uh but I noted

00:47:51 ◼   ► that there was it wasn't just one there

00:47:52 ◼   ► was at least two it was like

00:47:54 ◼   ► introduction auto layout on iOS and then

00:47:56 ◼   ► there was an advanced auto layout on iOS

00:47:58 ◼   ► right you know actually checked and it's

00:48:00 ◼   ► here at the Auto layout was mentioned in

00:48:03 ◼   ► the canyon so yeah yeah and well and I

00:48:06 ◼   ► think that I don't think that the

00:48:07 ◼   ► session titles themselves

00:48:09 ◼   ► I mean and deny it i'm not going to

00:48:11 ◼   ► avoid talking about session times but i

00:48:14 ◼   ► don't think i think once the schedule

00:48:15 ◼   ► came out you can say what the schedules

00:48:18 ◼   ► you know what the you can say what the

00:48:20 ◼   ► sessions are I think the contents are

00:48:22 ◼   ► under NDA but i don't think that the

00:48:24 ◼   ► titles of the sessions are and it

00:48:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean i don't think anybody's

00:48:28 ◼   ► gonna raise too much for stink right

00:48:31 ◼   ► yeah so the other thing is Colonel level

00:48:36 ◼   ► aslr which is address space layout

00:48:38 ◼   ► randomization so when different when

00:48:42 ◼   ► libraries get loaded into into the

00:48:44 ◼   ► kernel they are placed in different

00:48:46 ◼   ► locations in memory so that if you have

00:48:50 ◼   ► an exploit code you can't you can't rely

00:48:54 ◼   ► on like a certain function being in a

00:48:56 ◼   ► certain place so it makes it harder to

00:48:58 ◼   ► exploit the colonel so that has you know

00:49:02 ◼   ► that two pretty big security step and

00:49:04 ◼   ► I'm kind of interested to see how that

00:49:06 ◼   ► affects jailbreaking on ios6 I that's

00:49:10 ◼   ► interesting and I really was wondering

00:49:12 ◼   ► long-term about that because Mac os10

00:49:14 ◼   ► his head that's another thing that came

00:49:16 ◼   ► to the mac first but i thought i saw and

00:49:19 ◼   ► i just i don't follow jailbreaking that

00:49:20 ◼   ► closely i thought i saw that somebody

00:49:22 ◼   ► had already issued a jailbreak for iOS 6

00:49:24 ◼   ► is that without the Joker's that not

00:49:25 ◼   ► true I'd I haven't seen i don't know i

00:49:27 ◼   ► just started with an interesting thing

00:49:29 ◼   ► to look into heaven

00:49:30 ◼   ► I mean maybe can still give you getting

00:49:34 ◼   ► up early enough before they start

00:49:35 ◼   ► happens but either way this is a good

00:49:38 ◼   ► security thing

00:49:39 ◼   ► yeah it's very good i've never seen any

00:49:42 ◼   ► is always seems like whenever i see like

00:49:44 ◼   ► i could guy like Charlie Miller right

00:49:49 ◼   ► you know like at one of the absolute top

00:49:51 ◼   ► mac OS at third party security guys out

00:49:55 ◼   ► there like what his advice is all I SLR

00:49:58 ◼   ► is that right aslr get address space

00:50:01 ◼   ► layout randomization is at the top of

00:50:04 ◼   ► his list of things apple could do to

00:50:07 ◼   ► improve iOS right and so they did it

00:50:09 ◼   ► which is cool right

00:50:11 ◼   ► and there's another in other words if

00:50:12 ◼   ► you find and exploit a buffer overflow

00:50:14 ◼   ► where you can inject code you have no

00:50:16 ◼   ► idea where it's going to go right

00:50:18 ◼   ► whereas before a SLR it would go to the

00:50:21 ◼   ► same place every time

00:50:22 ◼   ► exactly and you can build a plan from

00:50:24 ◼   ► there exactly so this makes it a lot

00:50:26 ◼   ► harder at least two you know to exploit

00:50:30 ◼   ► about for overflow right

00:50:31 ◼   ► and next up on my little sister is a

00:50:34 ◼   ► facetime over cellular accelerator

00:50:38 ◼   ► which happened go ahead well I haven't

00:50:39 ◼   ► seen anybody talk about that is anything

00:50:41 ◼   ► that's what's on my list I don't want

00:50:43 ◼   ► people are talking about it it there we

00:50:47 ◼   ► go we've talked about it why do you

00:50:48 ◼   ► think it's 4s and iphone or ipad 3 only

00:50:52 ◼   ► I think it's pretty obvious I i think

00:50:59 ◼   ► it's a marketing thing

00:51:00 ◼   ► yeah I think it's just just to make you

00:51:03 ◼   ► know that Dave and there's a pretty

00:51:05 ◼   ► complicated matrix of all of iOS 6

00:51:08 ◼   ► features and why what device gets what

00:51:11 ◼   ► right i don't really understand what

00:51:13 ◼   ► they're doing their bit but yeah I think

00:51:15 ◼   ► it's probably American thing plus you

00:51:16 ◼   ► know what it limits the number of

00:51:17 ◼   ► devices that can actually do it which

00:51:20 ◼   ► you know I I would be really interested

00:51:23 ◼   ► to know what the carrier's actually knew

00:51:25 ◼   ► this was coming

00:51:26 ◼   ► I did too they didn't know I message was

00:51:28 ◼   ► coming right we and I knew that African

00:51:31 ◼   ► and maybe it was cuz you forget but I

00:51:34 ◼   ► knew last year when they announced I

00:51:36 ◼   ► message I forget it forget who I talk to

00:51:39 ◼   ► about that but i got like it wasn't you

00:51:41 ◼   ► somebody yet now it was i I now and I

00:51:44 ◼   ► know who it was it was it was a good

00:51:46 ◼   ► source they didn't know and the

00:51:50 ◼   ► carrier's didn't know apple just did it

00:51:52 ◼   ► and then I can't help but think it's the

00:51:54 ◼   ► same here that they're not really giving

00:51:55 ◼   ► they're not really not really up to the

00:51:57 ◼   ► carrier's although we'll find out we

00:52:00 ◼   ► will find out when it ships whether it

00:52:04 ◼   ► you know like it's a thing like verizon

00:52:06 ◼   ► has it an AT&T dozen right i mean they

00:52:10 ◼   ► would have thought they'd said that

00:52:12 ◼   ► yeah I don't know what I do know is that

00:52:15 ◼   ► since day one it's worked with the sound

00:52:17 ◼   ► working we just turn it off right you

00:52:20 ◼   ► know and the the counter example would

00:52:22 ◼   ► be tethering which is definitely up to

00:52:25 ◼   ► carriers and they can bill you for it

00:52:27 ◼   ► but i don't think so because I i think

00:52:30 ◼   ► the reason is that carried that that's a

00:52:32 ◼   ► that tethering is like a known carrier

00:52:36 ◼   ► feature that they sell on other things

00:52:38 ◼   ► and it was probably like I don't know

00:52:40 ◼   ► that they built by whereas i did I can't

00:52:43 ◼   ► see AT&T adding a new bill to your

00:52:45 ◼   ► iphone so that you can do facetime

00:52:47 ◼   ► right it's like you can almost see their

00:52:50 ◼   ► deals with Apple mentioning tethering

00:52:52 ◼   ► and we got like specific terms rounded

00:52:55 ◼   ► alright then apple just goes invent

00:52:57 ◼   ► something new that wasn't in the

00:52:59 ◼   ► contract and cameras going to get

00:53:00 ◼   ► stiffed right i'm curious to see how

00:53:03 ◼   ► bandwidth-intensive it is

00:53:05 ◼   ► yeah right because you can definitely

00:53:06 ◼   ► run up against these the bandwidth

00:53:09 ◼   ► caption like these you know two

00:53:10 ◼   ► gigabytes is a lot for email and web

00:53:13 ◼   ► surfing

00:53:14 ◼   ► yeah i mean and i know there's somebody

00:53:15 ◼   ► out there listens to the show was like

00:53:17 ◼   ► all I do is email and web surfing and I

00:53:18 ◼   ► run up against the two gigabyte thing

00:53:20 ◼   ► every night I mean you can do it but it

00:53:23 ◼   ► really takes I think streaming video to

00:53:25 ◼   ► really kind of rack up against that

00:53:27 ◼   ► ya see against Marco easy to deal with

00:53:30 ◼   ► samar kosher market host at WC last

00:53:32 ◼   ► weekend was using his ipad 3g or LTE

00:53:35 ◼   ► instead of the hotel Wi-Fi and left here

00:53:38 ◼   ► he left his mac tethered overnight unit

00:53:41 ◼   ► and it downloaded the ad men season for

00:53:43 ◼   ► now which is like complete two gigabytes

00:53:46 ◼   ► so you can it be blue is holding

00:53:49 ◼   ► downloading it and the end that the

00:53:51 ◼   ► download didn't complete it back

00:53:53 ◼   ► I don't get it Oh pastor alex well you

00:53:59 ◼   ► have anything else i have one job but

00:54:01 ◼   ► it's on your list the passbook ideas on

00:54:05 ◼   ► my list so i think that's kind of the

00:54:07 ◼   ► sleeper hit actually you know and it's

00:54:14 ◼   ► funny like as and when you launch the

00:54:18 ◼   ► app now there's there's nothing in it

00:54:20 ◼   ► does one screen and it just says

00:54:22 ◼   ► password is for the stuff in your pocket

00:54:24 ◼   ► and it's got like tickets and all that

00:54:26 ◼   ► stuff but there's a big infrastructure

00:54:30 ◼   ► behind it and and I think telling me

00:54:35 ◼   ► they sort of be released a new API that

00:54:38 ◼   ► would allow apps to sort of inspect only

00:54:42 ◼   ► their own passes and as it is a bunch of

00:54:46 ◼   ► back and stuff so that you can send out

00:54:49 ◼   ► passes create new ones and update once

00:54:51 ◼   ► it to somebody is on the phone i think

00:54:54 ◼   ► it's interesting for iOS 6 and but i

00:54:56 ◼   ► think it's going to be really big in

00:54:57 ◼   ► ios7 yeah it's

00:55:00 ◼   ► it's aight i totally agree i really

00:55:02 ◼   ► think that it's and I'd better sometimes

00:55:04 ◼   ► i'm wrong about these things like when I

00:55:05 ◼   ► think that this is a sleeper hit or like

00:55:08 ◼   ► I call it like an iceberg feature where

00:55:10 ◼   ► you only see this little bit at the top

00:55:11 ◼   ► but the implications underneath are huge

00:55:15 ◼   ► yeah absolutely but i really do think

00:55:17 ◼   ► that I I think passbook is going to be a

00:55:18 ◼   ► big deal and I think long term it's

00:55:20 ◼   ► going to be on an awful lot of iphone

00:55:22 ◼   ► users first screen right because one of

00:55:27 ◼   ► them is that one of the things that I

00:55:29 ◼   ► really thought I I just keep thinking

00:55:30 ◼   ► about that i really think forestall was

00:55:32 ◼   ► exactly right in his pitching the

00:55:34 ◼   ► keynote that half the problem with these

00:55:37 ◼   ► apps that do the barcode scanning now is

00:55:40 ◼   ► that you're never going to have them on

00:55:41 ◼   ► your first or second screen you know

00:55:42 ◼   ► like your United you know because they

00:55:44 ◼   ► mean it and some people fly the same

00:55:46 ◼   ► airline every time and I you knowed i

00:55:48 ◼   ► fly same handful of airlines but it's

00:55:49 ◼   ► like you know who knows if you're you

00:55:52 ◼   ► know continental airlines app where the

00:55:53 ◼   ► hell is it I don't know and it's you

00:55:56 ◼   ► know it's the worst thing is you're up

00:55:58 ◼   ► there at the front of the line and

00:55:59 ◼   ► you're like page and up to screen aid of

00:56:01 ◼   ► your homescreen looking for the thing on

00:56:03 ◼   ► because they do some really clever i

00:56:07 ◼   ► don't even know how much as I a I guess

00:56:09 ◼   ► we can talk about it but I they're doing

00:56:10 ◼   ► some clever stuff though with passbook

00:56:12 ◼   ► we're based on your location it will

00:56:14 ◼   ► know like at right is that you open past

00:56:18 ◼   ► look when you're in a starbucks it's it

00:56:20 ◼   ► knows you're in a starbucks and our

00:56:22 ◼   ► guess is you're in a starbucks at the

00:56:23 ◼   ► very least and there's your starbucks

00:56:26 ◼   ► you don't even have to do not only do

00:56:27 ◼   ► you not have to look around for a

00:56:28 ◼   ► Starbucks app when you open passbook if

00:56:31 ◼   ► it knows you're in a starbucks it you

00:56:32 ◼   ► don't have to look for your starbucks

00:56:34 ◼   ► pass you don't even need to open bass

00:56:36 ◼   ► work it's raining home screen

00:56:38 ◼   ► I'll write that exactly right and just

00:56:40 ◼   ► hang on and it sits there like a

00:56:41 ◼   ► notification in starbucks you swipe it

00:56:44 ◼   ► up cuz you're on starbucks card like it

00:56:46 ◼   ► doesn't even launch the app it just

00:56:48 ◼   ► comes up with the home screen and you

00:56:49 ◼   ► can just scan it might then write one of

00:56:52 ◼   ► the interesting things about passbook is

00:56:54 ◼   ► that it can work in coordination with a

00:56:57 ◼   ► nap

00:56:58 ◼   ► yes then and do other things and you can

00:57:01 ◼   ► use the app to do things like make

00:57:02 ◼   ► changes like you know the example that

00:57:06 ◼   ► they gave would be like if it was a

00:57:08 ◼   ► airline then you wanted to change your

00:57:10 ◼   ► seat you could you need an app for that

00:57:13 ◼   ► I got up passbook what they call the

00:57:16 ◼   ► cards are they passes i'll pass itself

00:57:19 ◼   ► doesn't have code it's just information

00:57:21 ◼   ► so if you want to change stuff you've

00:57:22 ◼   ► got to have a nap but for a lot of cases

00:57:25 ◼   ► you don't even need a nap

00:57:27 ◼   ► there's a lot of situations where we're

00:57:29 ◼   ► developers or stores or you know

00:57:33 ◼   ► services can get support passbook and it

00:57:37 ◼   ► takes some code on there some server

00:57:39 ◼   ► code on their side obviously to do the

00:57:41 ◼   ► interaction but in terms of like what's

00:57:42 ◼   ► running on the phone all they have to do

00:57:44 ◼   ► is support passbook and it doesn't even

00:57:45 ◼   ► require a nap right i really think that

00:57:49 ◼   ► it's interesting and it it it's a it's a

00:57:54 ◼   ► very humble way to get started with this

00:57:57 ◼   ► where it's not like this boil the ocean

00:57:59 ◼   ► approach that I think I google has taken

00:58:01 ◼   ► with my google wallet where it's like

00:58:03 ◼   ► we're going to support this NFC stuff

00:58:05 ◼   ► and it in theory works everywhere and

00:58:08 ◼   ► practice works know where are always

00:58:11 ◼   ► know where well i mean i think it's an

00:58:12 ◼   ► approach where they're not relying on

00:58:15 ◼   ► the on the endpoint to have any specific

00:58:19 ◼   ► technology right right

00:58:21 ◼   ► they're just going to support what's

00:58:23 ◼   ► what people already do and build up in

00:58:25 ◼   ► there like so one interesting thing is

00:58:27 ◼   ► I'm let's say you've got your starbucks

00:58:29 ◼   ► card

00:58:30 ◼   ► you know you could you could probably

00:58:35 ◼   ► more apple could probably work out a way

00:58:38 ◼   ► that they could charge up your starbucks

00:58:40 ◼   ► card from your itunes account I I

00:58:43 ◼   ► thought about that too the only thing

00:58:45 ◼   ► about that is that when you win you any

00:58:47 ◼   ► of your money goes through your itunes

00:58:49 ◼   ► account apple takes thirty percent and I

00:58:51 ◼   ► so I don't see how that would work well

00:58:53 ◼   ► I mean they could work out a deal with

00:58:55 ◼   ► starbucks and they take less than thirty

00:58:57 ◼   ► percent right like you know it right

00:58:59 ◼   ► like maybe for the passbook stuff

00:59:00 ◼   ► they'll do it in a way that and and I

00:59:03 ◼   ► almost feel like they have to if there

00:59:04 ◼   ► and I think long-term everybody in other

00:59:06 ◼   ► been rumors about Apple getting in the

00:59:08 ◼   ► NFC and payments and stuff like that

00:59:09 ◼   ► that there's no for as much as they've

00:59:14 ◼   ► stuck to their guns across the board

00:59:16 ◼   ► music video apps books with this 7030

00:59:22 ◼   ► 7030 in-app purchases 7030 everything

00:59:25 ◼   ► when money goes through

00:59:26 ◼   ► the store at 70 30 maybe the way that

00:59:29 ◼   ► they do it is that they don't really

00:59:31 ◼   ► it's not called going through this store

00:59:32 ◼   ► right like all the stuff that goes

00:59:34 ◼   ► through this store is 70 30 but the

00:59:37 ◼   ► payment processing is is not that it's

00:59:40 ◼   ► just hooked up your account so it goes

00:59:42 ◼   ► through the same credit card you've got

00:59:43 ◼   ► hooked up right but I you know they

00:59:46 ◼   ► would I I they could really you know

00:59:48 ◼   ► they could undercut everybody on that I

00:59:50 ◼   ► mean they could just charged with it you

00:59:52 ◼   ► know just to break even thing and just

00:59:54 ◼   ► have it as a reason to have an iphone

00:59:55 ◼   ► right i think there's they've had a lot

00:59:59 ◼   ► of credit cards

00:59:59 ◼   ► of credit cards

01:00:00 ◼   ► right and then they get you stuff to

01:00:02 ◼   ► they could even do it you can do it

01:00:03 ◼   ► wouldn't even just be charging up your

01:00:04 ◼   ► starbucks card you could do it like you

01:00:07 ◼   ► know if you're with the airline thing

01:00:09 ◼   ► where you've got a coach seat and you go

01:00:12 ◼   ► do your thing and you can maybe get a

01:00:13 ◼   ► notification that there's an upgrade

01:00:15 ◼   ► available you know the business class or

01:00:18 ◼   ► or first class or something like that

01:00:19 ◼   ► and you just do it in the app and it

01:00:21 ◼   ► goes through your iTunes Store thing you

01:00:24 ◼   ► don't even have to sit there and follow

01:00:25 ◼   ► around with credit cards or something

01:00:27 ◼   ► like that

01:00:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah exactly like I think we've got

01:00:30 ◼   ► a good pitch for businesses which is

01:00:31 ◼   ► there's less friction alright and are

01:00:34 ◼   ► you could you know you could even buy

01:00:37 ◼   ► you know like when you have to buy your

01:00:39 ◼   ► drink or a sandwich on the pond the

01:00:41 ◼   ► flight you know you could just do it

01:00:42 ◼   ► through the phone may not and again you

01:00:44 ◼   ► may not even have to take your phone out

01:00:45 ◼   ► of your pocket to have its camp right i

01:00:48 ◼   ► think that i think the implications of

01:00:50 ◼   ► passbook huge yeah i think so too and

01:00:52 ◼   ► it's a really clever system

01:00:54 ◼   ► I mean I guess we can't get into the

01:00:56 ◼   ► details of how it works because that's

01:00:57 ◼   ► clearly NDA but it's really really

01:00:59 ◼   ► clever and so anybody out there who does

01:01:02 ◼   ► if you've got an account and you're

01:01:04 ◼   ► thinking about what WWDC sessions to

01:01:06 ◼   ► watch i would highly recommend the

01:01:09 ◼   ► passbook sessions because they're really

01:01:11 ◼   ► interesting and I thought they were at

01:01:14 ◼   ► you know all the sessions deputies here

01:01:16 ◼   ► good but i thought those were really

01:01:17 ◼   ► exceptionally well structured from my

01:01:21 ◼   ► god had a gajal standpoint like that's

01:01:23 ◼   ► just it just opens your mind how it

01:01:25 ◼   ► works and it's a really clever system

01:01:28 ◼   ► yeah it's very satisfying yeah so i'm

01:01:31 ◼   ► not sure to be huge for ios6 but I think

01:01:33 ◼   ► they're going to start making a lot of

01:01:36 ◼   ► deals around this and we'll see what

01:01:37 ◼   ► happens

01:01:37 ◼   ► what else do you have anything else from

01:01:40 ◼   ► WTC and I really think that in his new

01:01:44 ◼   ► maps it whenever I don't know what to

01:01:48 ◼   ► make about that i know people are saying

01:01:50 ◼   ► that there's not as much detail on the

01:01:51 ◼   ► maps i think the the lack of transit

01:01:57 ◼   ► stuff

01:01:58 ◼   ► I you know I link to a thing this week

01:01:59 ◼   ► from somebody saying that you know what

01:02:01 ◼   ► that's actually a good idea because

01:02:02 ◼   ► because the transit stuff is all over

01:02:05 ◼   ► the map not a little bit

01:02:07 ◼   ► no cleaning ended yeah I but like in

01:02:10 ◼   ► Europe there's some places where that

01:02:12 ◼   ► the transit information

01:02:13 ◼   ► is owned by private companies and they

01:02:14 ◼   ► don't want google having it for free and

01:02:16 ◼   ► they're like blogging them but on the

01:02:20 ◼   ► other hand I i wrote a very brief piece

01:02:23 ◼   ► you know a little link thing early this

01:02:25 ◼   ► morning its bottom line notes from users

01:02:27 ◼   ► users don't care about that stuff like

01:02:28 ◼   ► all users are going to know is that if

01:02:29 ◼   ► they used to rely on the transit info in

01:02:31 ◼   ► the Maps app and it's gone that's that's

01:02:33 ◼   ► a downgrade right so I mean it's you

01:02:36 ◼   ► know I gotta say that that's points off

01:02:39 ◼   ► for ios6 i mean i don't care i mean

01:02:41 ◼   ► maybe a long-term it does work out

01:02:43 ◼   ► better but in the short term people are

01:02:45 ◼   ► going to notice and it's it's like a

01:02:47 ◼   ► record of it

01:02:48 ◼   ► well I think the question is would you

01:02:49 ◼   ► rather have flyover or know what bus

01:02:52 ◼   ► line to take right if I was really cool

01:02:55 ◼   ► i also had thanks flyover is why i like

01:02:58 ◼   ► it way better than Street View in Google

01:03:00 ◼   ► Street feel and I guess the argument for

01:03:03 ◼   ► street view is that cool but it's not as

01:03:05 ◼   ► useful street you have literally used to

01:03:07 ◼   ► like I know this building here this

01:03:09 ◼   ► restaurant and I know they've got their

01:03:11 ◼   ► phone number on the window right and I'm

01:03:14 ◼   ► literally used to defeat for you to go

01:03:16 ◼   ► and find it i guess that's the argument

01:03:17 ◼   ► is that street view is from the

01:03:19 ◼   ► perspective of you on the sidewalk right

01:03:21 ◼   ► it's like I walk down the street and

01:03:23 ◼   ► know where that thing is and i'm trying

01:03:24 ◼   ► to remember you know you can go and see

01:03:26 ◼   ► it and flowers incredibly cool

01:03:31 ◼   ► technology i gotta say ah yeah very cool

01:03:37 ◼   ► let me take it before we talk about the

01:03:39 ◼   ► rest of the stuff is a good good time to

01:03:40 ◼   ► do the second sponsor right in our

01:03:42 ◼   ► second sponsor is a new app for the iPad

01:03:46 ◼   ► called vijay spelled v j-a-y from

01:03:50 ◼   ► algorithm you may know them from their

01:03:53 ◼   ► other app DJ which was like a record

01:03:57 ◼   ► spinning app for the ipad i had very

01:04:01 ◼   ► very acclaimed ever seen videos of

01:04:04 ◼   ► people using an iPad or multiple iPads

01:04:06 ◼   ► to sort of do I don't know what you call

01:04:11 ◼   ► it but DJ's do is I'm sort of out of my

01:04:13 ◼   ► league here because i'm not very musical

01:04:15 ◼   ► your musical guy I know

01:04:20 ◼   ► no well it's a terrible i like music I

01:04:23 ◼   ► listen to dividing these well it's

01:04:25 ◼   ► called yeah but

01:04:26 ◼   ► here's what it is Vijay is real-time

01:04:29 ◼   ► touch scratching for videos you mix

01:04:32 ◼   ► videos and songs together and you can

01:04:35 ◼   ► make mashups you can make home videos

01:04:37 ◼   ► you can do it to entertain people on but

01:04:40 ◼   ► it's more than just clips edited

01:04:41 ◼   ► together it's it's a performance right

01:04:44 ◼   ► it's it's like being a DJ and mixing

01:04:46 ◼   ► music live except with music and video

01:04:49 ◼   ► so it's not just a video it's not a

01:04:51 ◼   ► video editor / say to way to do blend

01:04:54 ◼   ► two videos together with music live like

01:04:58 ◼   ► a performance like you sit there and

01:05:00 ◼   ► play with it and you can record them you

01:05:03 ◼   ► can output them over hdmi and airplay

01:05:05 ◼   ► with real-time output right over airplay

01:05:08 ◼   ► so like somebody who was entertaining a

01:05:10 ◼   ► crowd like an actual DJ or VJ I got a

01:05:14 ◼   ► party you would have this ipad app in

01:05:16 ◼   ► front of them and could sit here and

01:05:18 ◼   ► blend these things and have it like

01:05:19 ◼   ► projected on a big screen behind them

01:05:21 ◼   ► it's super impressive and and from user

01:05:24 ◼   ► interface perspective it is everything

01:05:26 ◼   ► is live there is no latency it's super

01:05:31 ◼   ► smooth it works on the ipad 2 and the

01:05:33 ◼   ► new ipad parentheses three did you play

01:05:37 ◼   ► with it i sent you from ok I did I did

01:05:39 ◼   ► it's very impressive it is super

01:05:41 ◼   ► impressive it is the sort of thing where

01:05:43 ◼   ► I myself i I don't I can't use it to the

01:05:46 ◼   ► way that it could be used but i

01:05:47 ◼   ► guarantee you that with this app there

01:05:49 ◼   ► will be videos of people making these

01:05:51 ◼   ► amazing things and mixing these things

01:05:53 ◼   ► and people will be like I can't believe

01:05:55 ◼   ► it and it fits right in with this

01:05:57 ◼   ► resurgence in argument about whether the

01:06:01 ◼   ► ipad is for creation or consumption at

01:06:03 ◼   ► which is to me I cannot believe that

01:06:05 ◼   ► we're still having this argument in 2012

01:06:07 ◼   ► but this app vijay from algorithm is

01:06:10 ◼   ► like ground zero step one of my god this

01:06:14 ◼   ► thing can be used for creation like in a

01:06:15 ◼   ► way and and the best thing about it is

01:06:17 ◼   ► it's a perfect example of the sort of

01:06:19 ◼   ► creation that you can do on the ipad

01:06:22 ◼   ► that you couldn't do on a Mac because

01:06:25 ◼   ► the Holy visual it and it's multi-touch

01:06:28 ◼   ► it's two things at once so there's only

01:06:30 ◼   ► one mouse on the Mac you can't you can't

01:06:33 ◼   ► spend two things at once you can't twist

01:06:34 ◼   ► two different things at the same time on

01:06:36 ◼   ► the mac which is the entire point

01:06:38 ◼   ► of Vijay that you're you're tweaking to

01:06:41 ◼   ► songs at once or two videos at once at

01:06:43 ◼   ► the same time I really nice UI

01:06:46 ◼   ► skeuomorphic in a very very appropriate

01:06:49 ◼   ► way where it it's this you know it you

01:06:53 ◼   ► launch the app and it makes it feel like

01:06:54 ◼   ► your ipad is like a dedicated device

01:06:56 ◼   ► meant from video mixing really really

01:06:59 ◼   ► cool app very well done regular price

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01:07:09 ◼   ► intro pricing it's only 999 on the app

01:07:12 ◼   ► store crazy you can find out more at

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01:07:23 ◼   ► can just google vjv jaay and look it up

01:07:26 ◼   ► there

01:07:26 ◼   ► 999 on the App Store amazingly creative

01:07:29 ◼   ► app anybody who has any kind of interest

01:07:31 ◼   ► in music and stuff like that go get it

01:07:33 ◼   ► so great app beautiful so you had some

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01:07:38 ◼   ► terrific sponsors like you so I'll tell

01:07:41 ◼   ► said it and I was on a phone

01:07:44 ◼   ► conversation with the algorithm guys

01:07:46 ◼   ► over about DJ they were having some

01:07:48 ◼   ► weird coronation issue and and Michael

01:07:52 ◼   ► Simmons the flexibility i actually

01:07:54 ◼   ► introduced me to them and we so we had a

01:07:56 ◼   ► little bit of a chat to work out what's

01:07:58 ◼   ► going on

01:07:59 ◼   ► they are really really smart guys very

01:08:01 ◼   ► nice their apps are amazing i go buy it

01:08:07 ◼   ► please this is so I'm talking about the

01:08:09 ◼   ► guy english is the guy that you talk to

01:08:11 ◼   ► when you're having like the core

01:08:12 ◼   ► animation problem that's a guy like do

01:08:15 ◼   ► private calls like this everyday or

01:08:16 ◼   ► somebody with an amazing app but they're

01:08:19 ◼   ► running up a thing where they've they're

01:08:20 ◼   ► stuck at 54 frames per second and they

01:08:22 ◼   ► know that that stinks because anything

01:08:24 ◼   ► under 60 is kind of janky and then and

01:08:27 ◼   ► then they call you and then you tell

01:08:28 ◼   ► them what's wrong and Elvis and they're

01:08:29 ◼   ► running it like 6 25 frames per second

01:08:31 ◼   ► to be honest I don't know what I told

01:08:33 ◼   ► him help but you don't know it just you

01:08:37 ◼   ► know we chatted about what was going on

01:08:39 ◼   ► I don't know i don't want to take any

01:08:40 ◼   ► credit I don't know actually did help

01:08:41 ◼   ► them but we chatted in it and they're

01:08:44 ◼   ► very very smart guys alright very smart

01:08:47 ◼   ► guys great sponsors thank you both

01:08:50 ◼   ► so the other big news of the week is

01:08:53 ◼   ► from Microsoft you and I sort of where

01:09:00 ◼   ► we going where we weren't watching

01:09:01 ◼   ► because I didn't do the video live we're

01:09:03 ◼   ► following the live blog coverage right

01:09:06 ◼   ► live and then chatting to each other on

01:09:08 ◼   ► the back channel and and let me just say

01:09:12 ◼   ► this here's the thing i was thinking

01:09:13 ◼   ► this is me yesterday was yesterday

01:09:15 ◼   ► here's what i was saying i got nervous

01:09:16 ◼   ► about having you on the show because one

01:09:20 ◼   ► thing everybody always wanted people say

01:09:21 ◼   ► to get somebody on the show is going to

01:09:23 ◼   ► do is gonna is gonna fight back and

01:09:25 ◼   ► going to tell you tell you what the

01:09:26 ◼   ► hell's wrong with you and that's why I

01:09:27 ◼   ► thought all right I'm gonna do I'm gonna

01:09:29 ◼   ► get guy guys guys guys not gonna let me

01:09:31 ◼   ► slide this is one thing I think I I mean

01:09:34 ◼   ► I haven't written anything good in weeks

01:09:37 ◼   ► and guys going to call me out on that

01:09:38 ◼   ► he's going to say what are you doing you

01:09:40 ◼   ► haven't got so I thought I gotta write

01:09:42 ◼   ► something good I got and I gotta write

01:09:44 ◼   ► something so the guy can't tell me that

01:09:46 ◼   ► i've been slacking off and so here's

01:09:48 ◼   ► what it is i went back to our i am and i

01:09:49 ◼   ► stole all of your ideas all of your

01:09:52 ◼   ► comments from the surface event and then

01:09:55 ◼   ► turn them into a little article for

01:09:56 ◼   ► daring fireball well how to really great

01:09:59 ◼   ► article I don't know them ideas I mean

01:10:02 ◼   ► whatever i'm not particularly and get

01:10:05 ◼   ► jealous about where ideas come from and

01:10:07 ◼   ► I wouldn't like he said that to me on

01:10:09 ◼   ► twitter and i can add didn't feel it was

01:10:10 ◼   ► me and that was more of us just chatting

01:10:12 ◼   ► but I do you know i'll give you credit

01:10:14 ◼   ► and I stole the the fact that they

01:10:16 ◼   ► couldn't date they clearly couldn't make

01:10:18 ◼   ► enough decisions that was for ya

01:10:21 ◼   ► oh thank you and ya know I think they I

01:10:27 ◼   ► think they made good decisions and but

01:10:29 ◼   ► they didn't make great decisions they

01:10:30 ◼   ► made both of those products are

01:10:32 ◼   ► interesting by themselves right I one

01:10:35 ◼   ► less so I like that the Intel one looks

01:10:37 ◼   ► kind of garbage to me personally but I

01:10:40 ◼   ► could see that being a product that they

01:10:41 ◼   ► would want to shit to do both of them is

01:10:44 ◼   ► crazy i don't understand what the hell

01:10:47 ◼   ► they're thinking well or wide why

01:10:50 ◼   ► announce both of them at the same time

01:10:52 ◼   ► why not just announced the arm one and

01:10:55 ◼   ► make it all about that here's a here's

01:10:57 ◼   ► the the argument is that they've

01:10:58 ◼   ► announced an arm-based tablet and

01:11:03 ◼   ► an intel-based tablet that's thicker and

01:11:07 ◼   ► light so it's sort of like the arm-based

01:11:08 ◼   ► one is vaguely and I'm roughly

01:11:10 ◼   ► equivalent to like an iPad and the art

01:11:12 ◼   ► and the intel based one is roughly

01:11:14 ◼   ► equivalent to like a macbook air but

01:11:16 ◼   ► with a touch string and then they also

01:11:18 ◼   ► introduced this very clever capacitive i

01:11:21 ◼   ► guess i gotta smart cover magnetically

01:11:24 ◼   ► attached but that has a keyboard on it

01:11:26 ◼   ► and very good that part that super

01:11:29 ◼   ► clever about it isn't just the idea of

01:11:31 ◼   ► hey why not you know why not have the

01:11:33 ◼   ► underside of the cover be a keyboard and

01:11:37 ◼   ► it attaches magnetically like Apple

01:11:39 ◼   ► smart covers but the thing that's really

01:11:40 ◼   ► clever is that it draws power over that

01:11:43 ◼   ► magnetic connection so that the keyboard

01:11:45 ◼   ► cover doesn't itself need a battery so

01:11:47 ◼   ► like if you were gonna make I'm sure

01:11:48 ◼   ► after they did that there's a probably

01:11:51 ◼   ► gonna be like 20 Kickstarter campaigns

01:11:53 ◼   ► this week from people to make something

01:11:55 ◼   ► like that for the ipad but if you did it

01:11:57 ◼   ► for the ipad it would have to be a

01:11:58 ◼   ► bluetooth thing and that means that it

01:12:00 ◼   ► would draw it would need like a battery

01:12:02 ◼   ► and I don't know that they could even be

01:12:03 ◼   ► as thin as as the microsoft one but then

01:12:05 ◼   ► like 20 minutes later in in the event

01:12:08 ◼   ► then they come out with another cover

01:12:09 ◼   ► that has a keyboard that actually has

01:12:11 ◼   ► physical moving Keys I don't get it so

01:12:15 ◼   ► they in other words the message instead

01:12:16 ◼   ► of the message being here it is

01:12:19 ◼   ► we're making our own tablet boom this is

01:12:22 ◼   ► it and we've got this amazing cover here

01:12:26 ◼   ► it is

01:12:27 ◼   ► they've got this mixed-up story of

01:12:29 ◼   ► here's a tablet and its arm and it's

01:12:32 ◼   ► thinner and lighter and cooler and

01:12:35 ◼   ► here's this water keyboard

01:12:36 ◼   ► oh but here's this other tablet that

01:12:38 ◼   ► looks the same from the front and then

01:12:40 ◼   ► you turn it sideways and it's real thick

01:12:41 ◼   ► and has vents but it runs photoshop and

01:12:46 ◼   ► anything from windows so you know it is

01:12:48 ◼   ► a reasonable it's not a crazy trade-off

01:12:50 ◼   ► there's actually reason somebody might

01:12:52 ◼   ► want to do it

01:12:53 ◼   ► oh and here's this other keyboard cover

01:12:55 ◼   ► and they're not we don't know when

01:12:56 ◼   ► they're shipping and what the prices are

01:12:57 ◼   ► and the other one is going to ship at

01:12:59 ◼   ► least three months after the other one

01:13:01 ◼   ► that we don't know when it's gonna show

01:13:02 ◼   ► and it had to be the whole thing just

01:13:03 ◼   ► sort of falls apart at that point

01:13:05 ◼   ► yeah well i mean i think the thing is

01:13:07 ◼   ► that they're chasing customer affection

01:13:11 ◼   ► rather than started selling em a product

01:13:15 ◼   ► you know I mean there

01:13:16 ◼   ► they're nervous they don't know which

01:13:19 ◼   ► one to do i think one could probably

01:13:21 ◼   ► came up with the arm one and then

01:13:24 ◼   ► somebody upstairs was like no we gotta

01:13:26 ◼   ► have this until one right and they just

01:13:28 ◼   ► did both and I don't think they I want

01:13:31 ◼   ► one thing that struck me about the event

01:13:33 ◼   ► was that they did indeed this is an idea

01:13:35 ◼   ► that you didn't steal so okay I get to

01:13:38 ◼   ► 10 smart they didn't sell their choices

01:13:46 ◼   ► that they made day and they say

01:13:48 ◼   ► specifically called out how hard it was

01:13:51 ◼   ► to make choices right found interesting

01:13:54 ◼   ► that I think it's just the wrong thing

01:13:58 ◼   ► to do but basically you make your

01:14:00 ◼   ► choices you come up with the product and

01:14:02 ◼   ► any sell it

01:14:03 ◼   ► this is it we believe it what did what

01:14:06 ◼   ► they specifically call out in the event

01:14:08 ◼   ► is like man we had a lot of hard choices

01:14:09 ◼   ► to make

01:14:10 ◼   ► but we think these are great right and

01:14:12 ◼   ► yet you've got a spectrum of stuff which

01:14:14 ◼   ► clearly means that you don't you know

01:14:16 ◼   ► you didn't put all the wood behind one

01:14:18 ◼   ► arrow you didn't you didn't pick

01:14:19 ◼   ► something to be great

01:14:20 ◼   ► perfect turn of phrase right they didn't

01:14:24 ◼   ► put all other wood behind one arrow

01:14:26 ◼   ► which i think is a shame because it be

01:14:29 ◼   ► the arm one is interesting or or if they

01:14:32 ◼   ► did maybe from their perspective they

01:14:34 ◼   ► did and that the they're thinking of it

01:14:36 ◼   ► from the perspective of we're going to

01:14:39 ◼   ► start making pc hardware in general

01:14:41 ◼   ► which is a tremendous fundamental shift

01:14:44 ◼   ► for the company and I know people have

01:14:45 ◼   ► said regarding my article that's not

01:14:47 ◼   ► that Microsoft has never gotten hardware

01:14:49 ◼   ► before they make the xbox they've made

01:14:51 ◼   ► all sorts of peripherals before they

01:14:53 ◼   ► made the zunes but yes so they say

01:14:56 ◼   ► they've made hardware before but the one

01:14:58 ◼   ► it's almost like a religious line that

01:15:00 ◼   ► they've never crossed as they've never

01:15:02 ◼   ► made pc hardware before right that's I

01:15:04 ◼   ► mean the zune is one thing where you

01:15:08 ◼   ► enter at the hardware market where your

01:15:10 ◼   ► partners are right you know but that's

01:15:13 ◼   ► not their key market right this is the

01:15:15 ◼   ► bread-and-butter the foundation of the

01:15:17 ◼   ► entire microsoft Empire is this notion

01:15:20 ◼   ► of we make a PC operating system and

01:15:24 ◼   ► apps for that operating system office

01:15:28 ◼   ► primarily from a financial standpoint

01:15:29 ◼   ► but you know all sorts of other stuff

01:15:31 ◼   ► they make the airplane simulator and you

01:15:36 ◼   ► guys

01:15:36 ◼   ► dell HP sony toshiba samsung you guys

01:15:42 ◼   ► make the hardware you guys make the

01:15:45 ◼   ► hardware we do the software and it's a

01:15:48 ◼   ► very crystal in the pc industry and that

01:15:50 ◼   ► you know that's where all of the money's

01:15:53 ◼   ► coming from and now they've so i think

01:15:55 ◼   ► from their perspective that they've put

01:15:56 ◼   ► all their wood behind the arrow ok now

01:15:58 ◼   ► we're making hardware to write whereas

01:16:01 ◼   ► from the messaging standpoint that's

01:16:03 ◼   ► interesting the microsoft I mean that is

01:16:05 ◼   ► very interesting to Microsoft but from a

01:16:08 ◼   ► consumer standpoint they don't really

01:16:10 ◼   ► care you know like people just want to

01:16:12 ◼   ► buy an ice machine and have it work

01:16:14 ◼   ► yeah centric focused it's more like and

01:16:17 ◼   ► you know corporate broadcaster and they

01:16:19 ◼   ► so they didn't what I think was lacking

01:16:21 ◼   ► from the event was a story a narrative

01:16:24 ◼   ► about why why you'd want this and what

01:16:27 ◼   ► you would do with it right and what the

01:16:29 ◼   ► different you know and and because they

01:16:31 ◼   ► didn't have a story at all it means that

01:16:33 ◼   ► they didn't even come first you need the

01:16:35 ◼   ► story and then you've got to figure out

01:16:37 ◼   ► a way in that story to differentiate

01:16:40 ◼   ► between the two devices the Intel one in

01:16:43 ◼   ► the arm one but because i didn't have a

01:16:44 ◼   ► story period

01:16:46 ◼   ► it's a real i think miss mash messaging

01:16:50 ◼   ► whys of why there's two of them and what

01:16:52 ◼   ► the differences are well I mean they

01:16:54 ◼   ► should give him the whole event that

01:16:55 ◼   ► panels gay

01:16:56 ◼   ► yeah i thought so too i really i thought

01:16:58 ◼   ► he was gonna get it was comfortable and

01:16:59 ◼   ► I realized that what he was talking

01:17:01 ◼   ► about was a little bit the

01:17:03 ◼   ► self-referential where he was talking

01:17:05 ◼   ► about the design and on the design

01:17:08 ◼   ► process but his enthusiasm was genuine

01:17:10 ◼   ► and he actually was going to seem

01:17:12 ◼   ► comfortable up there

01:17:13 ◼   ► yeah like I cracked a joke on Twitter

01:17:15 ◼   ► during the event occurred a couple jokes

01:17:18 ◼   ► but one of the jokes I've number one no

01:17:20 ◼   ► I just want to even though i crack jokes

01:17:21 ◼   ► that doesn't mean I don't like the thing

01:17:22 ◼   ► i'm a color me very intrigued by the

01:17:25 ◼   ► whole thing and I think it's the same

01:17:26 ◼   ► thing is true for you too right yeah

01:17:28 ◼   ► very much so I i mean i think this thing

01:17:30 ◼   ► could be i think this is the whole I i

01:17:33 ◼   ► am the thing i'm skeptical about is

01:17:35 ◼   ► windows 8 on regular pcs I think better

01:17:38 ◼   ► on regular pcs I

01:17:39 ◼   ► I really from what I've seen and played

01:17:41 ◼   ► with it i think it's i think it's wrong

01:17:43 ◼   ► i think metro on a touchscreen device is

01:17:48 ◼   ► really really interesting and especially

01:17:50 ◼   ► on a bigger one that's bigger than a

01:17:52 ◼   ► phone not like in some sense i do think

01:17:55 ◼   ► that iOS is a little bit like a phone OS

01:17:58 ◼   ► that runs on a tablet whereas I think

01:18:00 ◼   ► that the metro you user interface really

01:18:02 ◼   ► feels and it seems like it's natural for

01:18:04 ◼   ► like a nine inch tablet 10-inch tablet

01:18:07 ◼   ► color me very interested but you know so

01:18:10 ◼   ► the jokes are just me you know cracking

01:18:12 ◼   ► jokes but my job one of my jokes was

01:18:14 ◼   ► that the because the Intel one time with

01:18:17 ◼   ► you

01:18:17 ◼   ► the Intel one to me seems janky because

01:18:19 ◼   ► it's thick and has vented as a fan

01:18:22 ◼   ► it's a serious magnetic pin- them i like

01:18:27 ◼   ► I honestly i'm a i'm a fan of the pan

01:18:29 ◼   ► input idea i think it's a great idea

01:18:31 ◼   ► magnetizing it to you think now don't do

01:18:33 ◼   ► that right

01:18:34 ◼   ► this is not the all of the differences

01:18:37 ◼   ► between their arm one any Intel 12 me

01:18:40 ◼   ► are advertisements for the arm one

01:18:42 ◼   ► yes so I cracked a joke that the I maybe

01:18:47 ◼   ► i'll get the deep the things wrong that

01:18:49 ◼   ► I said it's it's thicker and has a fan

01:18:51 ◼   ► and it has a cassette tape deck because

01:18:54 ◼   ► it just seems like it's you know it's

01:18:56 ◼   ► it's old technology you know it'sit's

01:18:59 ◼   ► and it's a lot to me it's also a lot

01:19:01 ◼   ► like the tablet pcs that Microsoft's

01:19:05 ◼   ► been trying to sell for for 15 years

01:19:08 ◼   ► right right you know what you know they

01:19:09 ◼   ► should have done just occurred to me

01:19:10 ◼   ► you're right it's old its old attack

01:19:12 ◼   ► what they should have done is

01:19:13 ◼   ► introducing the Intel one first

01:19:15 ◼   ► hmm yeah we got his we got the United

01:19:19 ◼   ► States is not the old windows it's got

01:19:20 ◼   ► also for its a very comfortable it's

01:19:22 ◼   ► like a macbook air with touchscreen got

01:19:24 ◼   ► the clicky clicky keyboard great how do

01:19:26 ◼   ► you like that

01:19:27 ◼   ► nice pretty excited guess what here's an

01:19:30 ◼   ► arm 14 metro very fat like it's got

01:19:33 ◼   ► advanced your keyboard

01:19:34 ◼   ► they didn't order it really did think

01:19:38 ◼   ► about the order that Apple did the

01:19:40 ◼   ► 15-inch macbook pros last week right

01:19:42 ◼   ► first the old one that's not exciting it

01:19:45 ◼   ► i mean and and I say not exciting it

01:19:48 ◼   ► actually is that the new the new old

01:19:50 ◼   ► 15-inch

01:19:51 ◼   ► book pros are actually very nice

01:19:53 ◼   ► upgrades I mean knows it's like cutting

01:19:55 ◼   ► edge intel chipsets it's a really nice

01:19:57 ◼   ► performance upgrade but they did those

01:19:59 ◼   ► first but I mean still where we were all

01:20:01 ◼   ► calling them the new old ones right yeah

01:20:04 ◼   ► you're exactly right thing about the way

01:20:05 ◼   ► Apple did the macbook pros i completely

01:20:07 ◼   ► agree to the one that's that's older

01:20:09 ◼   ► tech first and do the skating to where

01:20:12 ◼   ► the puck is going next which is arm

01:20:14 ◼   ► which is thinner which is no vents no

01:20:18 ◼   ► fan no need for that runs cool not know

01:20:21 ◼   ► legacy apps

01:20:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah they totally didn't order see

01:20:26 ◼   ► well and I think that's telling because

01:20:28 ◼   ► i think that they think they probably

01:20:29 ◼   ► did them in the right order and where

01:20:31 ◼   ► the one that can't on the desktop

01:20:33 ◼   ► Windows is the lesser product to them so

01:20:38 ◼   ► they there there big reveal was I guess

01:20:40 ◼   ► why you can go on desktops up on this

01:20:41 ◼   ► and I think that is you know telling

01:20:45 ◼   ► about the company i'm also curious about

01:20:52 ◼   ► the timing of the event and like I had

01:20:54 ◼   ► you know who you'll never know because

01:20:56 ◼   ► you know what if you're going to

01:20:57 ◼   ► pre-announce something it when is the

01:20:59 ◼   ► right time to pronounce it and you know

01:21:01 ◼   ► eivol you know Apple pre-announced is

01:21:05 ◼   ► almost nothing they tend to announce

01:21:07 ◼   ► stuff when it's ready or like ready next

01:21:08 ◼   ► week but for example they pronounce the

01:21:13 ◼   ► iphone by six months and i think there's

01:21:16 ◼   ► a couple special reason right because

01:21:18 ◼   ► they weren't cannibalizing their own

01:21:19 ◼   ► sales and they had to start doing

01:21:22 ◼   ► federal mcc mcc stuff that it was going

01:21:26 ◼   ► to leak anyway so this was a way to to

01:21:28 ◼   ► control the reveal

01:21:29 ◼   ► but the big thing is they weren't

01:21:31 ◼   ► cannibalizing their own sales and so

01:21:33 ◼   ► Microsoft is in a very similar position

01:21:35 ◼   ► with this where it's really i don't

01:21:38 ◼   ► think it's going to stop sales of

01:21:40 ◼   ► existing windows notebooks and PCs but

01:21:44 ◼   ► it might maybe a little for some buyers

01:21:47 ◼   ► slow sales of ipads or make people wait

01:21:50 ◼   ► a little bit you know mean it's I don't

01:21:53 ◼   ► think it would be if if it works if it

01:21:55 ◼   ► catches on and the idea of we should

01:21:58 ◼   ► wait for the surface at least to see it

01:22:00 ◼   ► if there's any merit to it it's only

01:22:02 ◼   ► going to hurt out

01:22:03 ◼   ► all or and or android tablet makers it's

01:22:07 ◼   ► not gonna hurt anybody who's already

01:22:08 ◼   ► using windows

01:22:10 ◼   ► yeah right i don't think that they risk

01:22:11 ◼   ► cannibalizing anything of their own

01:22:13 ◼   ► I don't think they thought it through

01:22:15 ◼   ► that much time in your piece supposing

01:22:16 ◼   ► that they're all right good got a plan

01:22:18 ◼   ► but I also think well I think it's a lot

01:22:21 ◼   ► about the fact that at some point once

01:22:23 ◼   ► they get this thing the wheels running

01:22:24 ◼   ► on this thing production-wise they can't

01:22:26 ◼   ► keep it secret

01:22:27 ◼   ► maybe those I mean those things to seem

01:22:31 ◼   ► to barely work great

01:22:33 ◼   ► could the journalist didn't get to play

01:22:35 ◼   ► with the keyboards everything was all

01:22:36 ◼   ► screwed up right one of them frozen on

01:22:38 ◼   ► stage it's just bad and like it was the

01:22:43 ◼   ► worst thing about it is that he didn't

01:22:45 ◼   ► even add well no it's not you know stuff

01:22:47 ◼   ► went wrong for Steve at times but if you

01:22:50 ◼   ► know any laughter handle it well right

01:22:52 ◼   ► sort of like Johnny Carson with a bomb

01:22:55 ◼   ► joke right

01:22:56 ◼   ► yeah you just gotta roll with it was

01:22:58 ◼   ► like excuse me and give me a minute

01:23:00 ◼   ► Campbell's over to like the spare line

01:23:03 ◼   ► okay yeah he he almost the way he

01:23:06 ◼   ► rambled over there it

01:23:08 ◼   ► this is steven sinofsky it almost looked

01:23:09 ◼   ► as though he was just gonna run off the

01:23:11 ◼   ► stage and not come back like he was just

01:23:13 ◼   ► here I would if I would've just left and

01:23:16 ◼   ► just throwing thing again and just left

01:23:19 ◼   ► but so I so everything we know about

01:23:23 ◼   ► this event is it was very last minute

01:23:24 ◼   ► right they got invites went out during

01:23:26 ◼   ► the week of WC yeah and people didn't

01:23:30 ◼   ► know where to go now wants to come to LA

01:23:32 ◼   ► like it seems to me that I don't know if

01:23:37 ◼   ► this is I have no idea but apparently

01:23:43 ◼   ► google is going to be announcing like a

01:23:44 ◼   ► nexus tablet

01:23:46 ◼   ► alright next week at i/o and it seems to

01:23:49 ◼   ► me that maybe Microsoft knows that I got

01:23:52 ◼   ► it I finally figured it out and that

01:23:55 ◼   ► they want to frame any i/o announcements

01:23:57 ◼   ► through the lens that they're just

01:24:02 ◼   ► presented alright hastily um you know

01:24:09 ◼   ► maybe not maybe you know not in the tech

01:24:11 ◼   ► press necessarily but in the mainstream

01:24:12 ◼   ► dress you know that whatever is

01:24:15 ◼   ► announced at i/o

01:24:17 ◼   ► is going to be related to what

01:24:20 ◼   ► Microsoft's just said yeah I think so

01:24:24 ◼   ► too and and in terms of being arranged

01:24:27 ◼   ► at the last minute it does seem like the

01:24:28 ◼   ► invitations and etc at least the

01:24:31 ◼   ► invitations went out after the WWDC

01:24:33 ◼   ► keynote right and so I I can only guess

01:24:37 ◼   ► that they were like let's see if apple

01:24:39 ◼   ► announces anything relevant which they

01:24:42 ◼   ► didn't but i think that there's and who

01:24:46 ◼   ► knows maybe Microsoft has better Intel

01:24:48 ◼   ► then we do that you know maybe they even

01:24:50 ◼   ► know more about what Google's going to

01:24:51 ◼   ► announce but it you know the consensus

01:24:53 ◼   ► is certainly that google is going to

01:24:55 ◼   ► announce something that's pretty much

01:24:56 ◼   ► along the same lines google-branded

01:24:57 ◼   ► tablet right I'm and I think they wanted

01:25:02 ◼   ► to get in front of that

01:25:03 ◼   ► yeah I mean there's any press about the

01:25:06 ◼   ► google cabinet is going to be pressed

01:25:07 ◼   ► for them they're all right it's is what

01:25:10 ◼   ► google did with 3d maps or try to do I

01:25:12 ◼   ► mean personally don't think it's a great

01:25:14 ◼   ► move right i think it looks defensive

01:25:17 ◼   ► exactly but it is it's the common thing

01:25:20 ◼   ► in google just did with the maps all

01:25:22 ◼   ► right I guess we're running short on

01:25:26 ◼   ► time here but we have a few more things

01:25:27 ◼   ► I wanted to talk to you about stuff that

01:25:29 ◼   ► you're working on you run a conference

01:25:32 ◼   ► in Montreal started last year singleton

01:25:35 ◼   ► get Mac to indymac or indeed i say Mac

01:25:38 ◼   ► but in the Apple Developer Conference

01:25:40 ◼   ► right we've had with the loop and how

01:25:43 ◼   ► Scott Morrison and a lot of help from a

01:25:46 ◼   ► tree Muller where it was it was

01:25:48 ◼   ► fantastic i was there last year and it

01:25:50 ◼   ► was a terrific time people are I think

01:25:52 ◼   ► much did you get a lot of people asking

01:25:55 ◼   ► at WTC about singleton 20 yeah yeah but

01:25:57 ◼   ► he's asking when it's going on sale and

01:25:59 ◼   ► whatnot it's going to be I but i think

01:26:01 ◼   ► it's going to be a WWDC situation now

01:26:04 ◼   ► where it's like you're going to put it

01:26:05 ◼   ► on sale and the damn thing is going to

01:26:06 ◼   ► sell out

01:26:07 ◼   ► yeah I mean that happened last year like

01:26:09 ◼   ► I had to ask you not to actually mention

01:26:11 ◼   ► it on verifiable last year because it

01:26:13 ◼   ► went pretty quick then it's ok that is

01:26:16 ◼   ► rare it is actually very rare that

01:26:18 ◼   ► people the people asked me not to link

01:26:20 ◼   ► to sell me

01:26:21 ◼   ► I'm gonna put this thing on sale don't

01:26:24 ◼   ► want to do it aren't there in viral

01:26:25 ◼   ► because i think that the people who read

01:26:28 ◼   ► recite are really going to jump all over

01:26:29 ◼   ► it right everybody is going to have a

01:26:33 ◼   ► bigger venue

01:26:34 ◼   ► yeah a little bit bigger and better 220

01:26:37 ◼   ► people compared to the sort of 75 80

01:26:40 ◼   ► that we had last time very small crab

01:26:42 ◼   ► but i think a small confiscated so the

01:26:46 ◼   ► value is you know I think the speaker's

01:26:48 ◼   ► being a lot of value but I think in a

01:26:52 ◼   ► way the greater value is having smoked

01:26:54 ◼   ► out meeting everybody and talking about

01:26:56 ◼   ► this because had to say I'm always

01:27:00 ◼   ► interested to like sometimes when people

01:27:05 ◼   ► talk to me about daring fireball

01:27:07 ◼   ► sponsorships or the talk so sponsorships

01:27:09 ◼   ► and i'll ask well you know what kind of

01:27:12 ◼   ► results can i expect and I often i don't

01:27:15 ◼   ► really know i mean i-i don't measure

01:27:16 ◼   ► stuff like that like when I have links

01:27:19 ◼   ► to your site

01:27:20 ◼   ► it just goes right to you there's no

01:27:21 ◼   ► click tracker and even if I did have a

01:27:23 ◼   ► cliq tracker who knows what that means

01:27:25 ◼   ► and who knows whether you can even trust

01:27:26 ◼   ► it or whatever and and whether one thing

01:27:28 ◼   ► goes awry i always say the bottom line

01:27:30 ◼   ► is you know I think the most telling

01:27:32 ◼   ► thing is how many repeat sponsors there

01:27:34 ◼   ► are and there's a lot and that means

01:27:36 ◼   ► that they came back and they were happy

01:27:37 ◼   ► and so when I you know you're doing a

01:27:39 ◼   ► conference because I've often thought

01:27:40 ◼   ► maybe you know maybe I should try to put

01:27:43 ◼   ► a conference together

01:27:44 ◼   ► the interesting thing to me wasn't

01:27:45 ◼   ► whether you did the first one it was

01:27:46 ◼   ► whether you'd want to do a second one

01:27:48 ◼   ► right and you're dead

01:27:50 ◼   ► yeah we headed it was a big success we

01:27:53 ◼   ► are not financially actually just it

01:27:56 ◼   ► makes even to it's not a this is not a

01:27:58 ◼   ► business for us it's just something that

01:28:00 ◼   ► we wanted to do and we had it's like a

01:28:04 ◼   ► really great time we had a great

01:28:06 ◼   ► speakers great turnout and you know we

01:28:08 ◼   ► want to do it again about to happen up

01:28:09 ◼   ► and try it out again and because i think

01:28:12 ◼   ► it's actually we're not focused the same

01:28:17 ◼   ► way there's a lot of indie conferences a

01:28:18 ◼   ► lot of really good ones but we're not

01:28:19 ◼   ► really focused on the same kind of thing

01:28:21 ◼   ► right

01:28:22 ◼   ► we aim to sort of be more meta level it

01:28:26 ◼   ► will last year was about

01:28:31 ◼   ► maybe we tend to pick themes was going

01:28:35 ◼   ► to but the idea is that we're gonna pick

01:28:37 ◼   ► themes and last year's basically a the

01:28:41 ◼   ► team was that we're at it we were at an

01:28:43 ◼   ► inflection point that the mac was

01:28:44 ◼   ► clearly going away of iOS in terms of

01:28:47 ◼   ► the mac app store sandboxing and a lot

01:28:51 ◼   ► of indie developers the way that they

01:28:53 ◼   ► run their businesses was going to change

01:28:54 ◼   ► so we thought to be valuable to get a

01:28:58 ◼   ► bunch of people together and sort of

01:29:00 ◼   ► discuss that discuss where things were

01:29:01 ◼   ► going and and how people can adapt to

01:29:04 ◼   ► the change and i think that work well

01:29:06 ◼   ► this year and the team is going to be

01:29:09 ◼   ► about girls and scaling and then the

01:29:12 ◼   ► process behind that because I think as

01:29:18 ◼   ► smaller developers or you know basically

01:29:22 ◼   ► people in the industry we're all getting

01:29:25 ◼   ► a lot more customers or in your case a

01:29:27 ◼   ► lot more meters it then we used to say

01:29:29 ◼   ► you know five years ago and how do we

01:29:33 ◼   ► handle that like what does that mean for

01:29:36 ◼   ► our businesses and our our software and

01:29:40 ◼   ► the way that we approach that the market

01:29:42 ◼   ► and our customers a good theme like I

01:29:45 ◼   ► said just talking to some people as we

01:29:47 ◼   ► get WTC there's definitely some really

01:29:50 ◼   ► really small shops one-man shows two men

01:29:53 ◼   ► partnerships that that have more

01:29:56 ◼   ► customers then I I don't know ever

01:30:00 ◼   ► before I mean I guess they're with their

01:30:02 ◼   ► websites that could do it now the web

01:30:04 ◼   ► sort of enabled that but with these apps

01:30:06 ◼   ► there's people who have more customers

01:30:07 ◼   ► than then it's fashionable for a

01:30:09 ◼   ► one-person shop right to do and you know

01:30:13 ◼   ► I don't know the you know it's a good

01:30:14 ◼   ► topic because I just don't know that

01:30:16 ◼   ► we're hooked up evolutionarily that to

01:30:18 ◼   ► deal with that sort of scale adding like

01:30:21 ◼   ► an individual level like if you ran at

01:30:23 ◼   ► you know a bakery that you didn't

01:30:26 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense that you have

01:30:27 ◼   ► 40,000 customers a week right just

01:30:30 ◼   ► doesn't doesn't doesn't work well with

01:30:33 ◼   ► apps it works you can do it well yeah

01:30:35 ◼   ► there's still challenges what load goes

01:30:37 ◼   ► way up the ramp and add edges i think

01:30:43 ◼   ► its new

01:30:43 ◼   ► interesting topic at I think it's what's

01:30:48 ◼   ► happening this year last year I think

01:30:50 ◼   ► was like big change this year things are

01:30:52 ◼   ► going I don't know what will be next

01:30:53 ◼   ► year but hopefully I'll identified or

01:30:56 ◼   ► will identify it and come up with

01:30:58 ◼   ► another game so the other thing that

01:31:00 ◼   ► you've got cooking

01:31:01 ◼   ► you've got a new company yeah aged in

01:31:04 ◼   ► distilled yeah with the our good friend

01:31:07 ◼   ► Chris parish Chris parish formerly of

01:31:09 ◼   ► rogue sheep

01:31:10 ◼   ► yep you formerly of rogue amoeba and we

01:31:14 ◼   ► went rogue and get lucky it's not cheap

01:31:18 ◼   ► jokes it will cut that out don't worry

01:31:20 ◼   ► about the past and i will cut that right

01:31:21 ◼   ► out scene and you guys I you're not

01:31:25 ◼   ► ready to announce anything yet but you

01:31:27 ◼   ► guys are working on the app and it's it

01:31:29 ◼   ► is a mac app not an iOS app right and i

01:31:33 ◼   ► think that's interesting because I feel

01:31:34 ◼   ► like I certainly the mac you know Mac

01:31:38 ◼   ► sales are up Mac it's never been better

01:31:40 ◼   ► time to be a Mac Developer but I'd iOS

01:31:42 ◼   ► is growth so is so explosive that it

01:31:46 ◼   ► dwarfs the growth the mac has been

01:31:49 ◼   ► undergoing and there's sort of an

01:31:51 ◼   ► assumption i think that most people if

01:31:54 ◼   ► they're going to start a new thing to do

01:31:55 ◼   ► apps it's going to be iphone and ipad

01:31:57 ◼   ► apps right so I supposed to be the

01:32:03 ◼   ► answer that question is what we wanted

01:32:05 ◼   ► to solve a problem and the problem

01:32:07 ◼   ► existed or was best salt on the Mac hey

01:32:10 ◼   ► I'm so what the app is basically it's

01:32:13 ◼   ► you it's called Mac instead concise

01:32:18 ◼   ► visual communication and it's for

01:32:20 ◼   ► marking up images and working with

01:32:22 ◼   ► designers and developers remotely so you

01:32:25 ◼   ► can very quickly with a good novel input

01:32:27 ◼   ► method make notes on imaging share it

01:32:31 ◼   ► and given that that's the problem you're

01:32:37 ◼   ► trying to solve it and it's a problem

01:32:38 ◼   ► that I've been candid like monkey said

01:32:40 ◼   ► when i was working with me but I was

01:32:42 ◼   ► working remote and would often want to

01:32:44 ◼   ► send notes back and forth on you know

01:32:46 ◼   ► the work with that the widgets did the

01:32:49 ◼   ► design and it was difficult when you and

01:32:52 ◼   ► Chris work remote cause Christian is

01:32:53 ◼   ► chris's in Seattle and I'm here in

01:32:56 ◼   ► Montreal

01:32:57 ◼   ► so you're both in Canada but on

01:32:59 ◼   ► different different sides of the

01:33:00 ◼   ► continent exactly exactly different

01:33:02 ◼   ► costs so you guys probably use it you

01:33:08 ◼   ► guys probably use it you know your dog

01:33:11 ◼   ► fooding it

01:33:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah we use it a lot and you know a

01:33:14 ◼   ► couple other people use it to is it

01:33:18 ◼   ► written already know

01:33:21 ◼   ► well it will be easy right

01:33:26 ◼   ► well I mean we just needed to exit did

01:33:29 ◼   ► resources exactly

01:33:30 ◼   ► yeah but it's like we were pretty close

01:33:33 ◼   ► to shipping and so we want to ship same

01:33:36 ◼   ► time as a mountain lion we're gonna

01:33:37 ◼   ► we're gonna be my online only going to

01:33:40 ◼   ► use all their goodies but yeah it's to

01:33:44 ◼   ► answer the question about iOS and this

01:33:46 ◼   ► was a problem that primarily existed on

01:33:49 ◼   ► the on a mac in the designer is working

01:33:52 ◼   ► in photoshop or developers working in

01:33:54 ◼   ► Xcode and you want to quicklys you don't

01:33:58 ◼   ► share things back and for it and it is

01:34:01 ◼   ► an app that is very well suited to the

01:34:03 ◼   ► ipad but the project the problem we want

01:34:08 ◼   ► to solve manifest itself mainly on the

01:34:11 ◼   ► mac right now I think that it fits

01:34:13 ◼   ► I think that's one of the the messages

01:34:16 ◼   ► apple has been trying to reiterate in

01:34:18 ◼   ► the last year or so is more or less

01:34:20 ◼   ► don't forget about the mac i think I

01:34:24 ◼   ► can't believe that big dick from Apple's

01:34:27 ◼   ► perspective that they can't believe that

01:34:29 ◼   ► after six consecutive years of

01:34:31 ◼   ► consecutive quarters 24 consecutive

01:34:34 ◼   ► quarters were the mac has mac sales have

01:34:37 ◼   ► grown faster than the pc industry at

01:34:38 ◼   ► large 24 consecutive quarters they still

01:34:43 ◼   ► have to remind people like hate the mac

01:34:45 ◼   ► is that is awesome and it's at

01:34:48 ◼   ► there's totally problems that can only

01:34:51 ◼   ► be that are best solved on the mac

01:34:53 ◼   ► ya think so I mean I think there's still

01:34:55 ◼   ► a bit of a look at the gold rush

01:34:58 ◼   ► mentality around iOS I were you know

01:35:03 ◼   ► Chris and I think would rather figure

01:35:07 ◼   ► out problem to solve and workout

01:35:09 ◼   ► yesterday

01:35:10 ◼   ► soft and in this case it's on a mac i

01:35:12 ◼   ► also think I do think that there's an

01:35:14 ◼   ► opportunity there to that that a new

01:35:16 ◼   ► thing for the mac you might be able to

01:35:18 ◼   ► gain attention quicker then stuff for

01:35:22 ◼   ► the iOS because there's so much less of

01:35:25 ◼   ► that gold rush mentality

01:35:27 ◼   ► yeah and conservatively there's so many

01:35:28 ◼   ► thousands of developers releasing iOS

01:35:33 ◼   ► stuff that in the mac stuff can gain

01:35:35 ◼   ► traction and I thought that was obvious

01:35:38 ◼   ► to and I thought it was clear the

01:35:40 ◼   ► keynote and it's occurred to me that I

01:35:41 ◼   ► was a little bored during the mountain

01:35:43 ◼   ► lion section because i'm almost all old

01:35:45 ◼   ► stuff you know stuff we already knew but

01:35:47 ◼   ► then somebody pointed out that it was

01:35:51 ◼   ► you know most of the developers there

01:35:53 ◼   ► they don't even think they don't know

01:35:54 ◼   ► anything about mountain lions are not

01:35:55 ◼   ► writing mac apps night it was all news

01:35:58 ◼   ► to them that's why there was so much

01:35:59 ◼   ► applause for like the stuff that was you

01:36:02 ◼   ► know on apple's website for months

01:36:04 ◼   ► yeah I think Syracuse was saying that on

01:36:06 ◼   ► his show yeah it's exactly know what

01:36:08 ◼   ► that's it that's where i got it i think

01:36:09 ◼   ► you know what I think he told me that in

01:36:11 ◼   ► person last week to it could be and yeah

01:36:16 ◼   ► it like the mountain lion section of the

01:36:18 ◼   ► keynote was really kind of boring i

01:36:20 ◼   ► think maybe power nap was new

01:36:22 ◼   ► yeah it's at all that's cool but I mean

01:36:25 ◼   ► yeah between asleep it was power nap and

01:36:28 ◼   ► dictation right where the two new things

01:36:30 ◼   ► that were really on so it'sit's and I

01:36:32 ◼   ► was not the most exciting

01:36:34 ◼   ► no no no Richard developer technology

01:36:36 ◼   ► they just work they do that thing right

01:36:38 ◼   ► on you can tweet in it in a notification

01:36:40 ◼   ► area now

01:36:41 ◼   ► alright alright like nothing you know

01:36:43 ◼   ► nothing groundbreaking but you know I

01:36:44 ◼   ► think mountain lion is the it's what

01:36:48 ◼   ► line should have been

01:36:49 ◼   ► yeah basically you know it's the

01:36:51 ◼   ► polished version i think ios6 is the

01:36:53 ◼   ► same as a polished version of iOS 5 6 d

01:36:58 ◼   ► we're not on a major leap year right now

01:37:01 ◼   ► threat you know and and we gotta wrap

01:37:04 ◼   ► this up but I did there's a story on

01:37:06 ◼   ► Gizmodo today

01:37:07 ◼   ► somebody wrote in the headline any more

01:37:08 ◼   ► or less says it all is that Microsoft is

01:37:10 ◼   ► now the most exciting company in tech

01:37:12 ◼   ► and it's typical gizmodo linkbait where

01:37:17 ◼   ► they're trying to take an obvious

01:37:19 ◼   ► contrarian perspective on what I have to

01:37:22 ◼   ► say that in in broad strokes

01:37:24 ◼   ► I i actually agree with that and now and

01:37:27 ◼   ► later in the article forget who wrote it

01:37:28 ◼   ► on my command staff who cares its

01:37:30 ◼   ► gizmodo but they date instead of saying

01:37:32 ◼   ► exciting they said innovative isn't most

01:37:34 ◼   ► innovative know there i think is more of

01:37:36 ◼   ► an argument I think exciting is the word

01:37:38 ◼   ► that actually is more apt which is that

01:37:42 ◼   ► nobody was really expecting the surface

01:37:44 ◼   ► thing this week they kept that secret

01:37:46 ◼   ► and people were thinking the best people

01:37:48 ◼   ► thought was maybe like a barnes and

01:37:49 ◼   ► noble a joint you know smaller 6-inch

01:37:53 ◼   ► type thing that was more like an

01:37:54 ◼   ► e-reader this is way more ambitious than

01:37:57 ◼   ► anything people that Gaston eight kept

01:37:59 ◼   ► it under under really tight wraps like

01:38:02 ◼   ► nobody knew it definitely whereas

01:38:04 ◼   ► everything apple is announces more or

01:38:05 ◼   ► less as expected you know I mean there's

01:38:08 ◼   ► stuff like passbook that is news and

01:38:11 ◼   ► wasn't really rumor expected but it's

01:38:14 ◼   ► not major it's not exciting right

01:38:16 ◼   ► I gets its Apple has become I think

01:38:18 ◼   ► predictable in a very good way in a way

01:38:20 ◼   ► that is good for the company and I think

01:38:24 ◼   ► I iOS 6 and mountain lion reflect that

01:38:26 ◼   ► like they're very I think they're very

01:38:28 ◼   ► very you know good list of features

01:38:30 ◼   ► year-over-year very impressive 12 months

01:38:33 ◼   ► updates to what came before them but

01:38:35 ◼   ► they're not exciting is not the word I

01:38:37 ◼   ► would use to describe them

01:38:39 ◼   ► well I mean I think Microsoft is

01:38:41 ◼   ► interesting in that they're kind of

01:38:43 ◼   ► screwed

01:38:44 ◼   ► I'm apple is less interesting in that

01:38:48 ◼   ► they're on top of their game and they're

01:38:50 ◼   ► executing well alright it's not as

01:38:52 ◼   ► exciting to be the guy in the lead the

01:38:54 ◼   ► guy who's gonna like the race car driver

01:38:56 ◼   ► who's making exciting loses the guy

01:38:58 ◼   ► who's in second right yeah and they're

01:38:59 ◼   ► not just in the lead to look like a head

01:39:01 ◼   ► right and you know that there's it's not

01:39:04 ◼   ► that they're not doing interesting stuff

01:39:05 ◼   ► i'm sure it'll be a lot of cool stuff

01:39:07 ◼   ► coming out but for this you know for the

01:39:12 ◼   ► you know the observer microsoft is that

01:39:20 ◼   ► offers more drama and say no

01:39:23 ◼   ► exactly yeah and I think that's good i

01:39:26 ◼   ► think it's actually what they need to do

01:39:27 ◼   ► I did it makes me optimistic about their

01:39:29 ◼   ► their prospects

01:39:31 ◼   ► it would make me optimistic accept their

01:39:34 ◼   ► products email screwed up

01:39:35 ◼   ► yeah sure but at the very least I feel

01:39:38 ◼   ► like that the very least though it shows

01:39:39 ◼   ► that they're not in denial

01:39:42 ◼   ► yes right what would be what would be

01:39:44 ◼   ► sad would be if they had their head in

01:39:47 ◼   ► the sand and we're just comes in their

01:39:49 ◼   ► ears you know not I can't hear you doing

01:39:52 ◼   ► the same thing that they have been doing

01:39:54 ◼   ► you know and and just pretending that

01:39:57 ◼   ► that the industry hasn't totally shifted

01:39:59 ◼   ► and that Apple hasn't taken over the

01:40:01 ◼   ► penthouse suite right exactly i mean i

01:40:04 ◼   ► think one of the I think my favorite

01:40:07 ◼   ► part of that surface pro Cee'd put up

01:40:10 ◼   ► last night was the analysis of where the

01:40:13 ◼   ► money's going right I think that's

01:40:15 ◼   ► telling and I think you're probably

01:40:17 ◼   ► right that there's notice that they're

01:40:19 ◼   ► going to have to start caramelizing

01:40:20 ◼   ► their partners to get back to the you

01:40:24 ◼   ► know to the thicker profit margins right

01:40:25 ◼   ► and it's okay i really think I think

01:40:27 ◼   ► about it it's a classic microsoft move

01:40:29 ◼   ► when classic microsoft move is ballsy

01:40:32 ◼   ► and aggressive but and it is but it's

01:40:34 ◼   ► not ballsy an aggressive against apple

01:40:36 ◼   ► even though its competitive against

01:40:37 ◼   ► apple i'm sure they hope it really is

01:40:39 ◼   ► but it's really the that the ones that

01:40:41 ◼   ► they're really like punching in the face

01:40:43 ◼   ► are there pcom makers yeah they're going

01:40:46 ◼   ► to take all the money yeah well that's

01:40:47 ◼   ► the goal

01:40:48 ◼   ► yeah guy thanks for being here to

01:40:51 ◼   ► pleasure

01:40:51 ◼   ► so coming soon aged in distilled and we

01:40:55 ◼   ► even got that we even got a product name

01:40:56 ◼   ► napkin looking forward to that you've

01:40:59 ◼   ► got a blog kicking bear dot-com is it

01:41:02 ◼   ► calm yet where you often

01:41:06 ◼   ► well not often but occasionally right

01:41:08 ◼   ► very very smart stuff

01:41:09 ◼   ► thank you anything else that I should

01:41:12 ◼   ► thank you for that

01:41:16 ◼   ► do you drink i'm not sure i had lost

01:41:19 ◼   ► track

01:41:20 ◼   ► maybe yes let's say yes you'll be doing