1: What If the Dolphins Had Thumbs, with John Moltz
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so John mother's day there's no better
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way to spend Mother's Day than watching
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baseball games on TV I was we really
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were really going to start off with
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well I i just have to because it was a
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day game Yankees are playing and famed
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Yankees superstar Andy Pettit after a
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year in retirement is back on the mound
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for the first time since since 2010 and
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pitching in Yankee Stadium and that TV
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announcers i'm watching of course the
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Yankees telecast and they their their
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poll of the day I don't know if every
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other team does this but they always
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have i got a text message pole of the
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day we're there you know they ready like
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four choices in your text message
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different numbers to cast your vote was
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Andy Pettitte signature moment of his
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career and the winner was the 1996 world
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series game against the Atlanta Braves
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where he did the yankees won that game
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one nothing any outdoor world
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Braves Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz
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so now you see where I'm going with this
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I now I series and I'm explaining it to
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Jonas and Jonas was like well tell me
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all about it what what whoo
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and I say he said who's John Smoltz and
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all of a sudden Amy walks in and she's
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like you've got to be kidding me that's
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made up right and I'm like no he was
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that he was an all-star he was a great
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picture she's like John Smoltz really
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i'm sure and then she just wandered off
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and she thought that you would like God
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got a hold of like the Yankees
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announcers and yeah I don't know what is
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she doing here generation hear the TV
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guys talking about she heard me
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explaining it to Jonas and thought that
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I was just you know making up names of
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baseball players basically into the 45
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actual friends I have in life
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that'd be neat i don't know why it never
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really occurred to me until that very
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moment when she came in and said that
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never really occurred to me just how
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similar your names are yeah i mean i
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think they're completely unrelated as
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far as i know
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remember the guy used to play it
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certainly made my skill of baseball
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would indicate that you remember the guy
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who used to play for the Kansas City
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Chiefs John scrubber is a kicker now
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you're making it was a kid he was a
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kicker it became a placekicker now you
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are though you're not John Smoltz you
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are John molt's i am the last time I
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checked which was earlier today so I'm
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John grouper is we have to say that i
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usually don't get the actually going to
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cause confusion i did the whole thing is
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very confusing i just told you you want
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me to I just don't we just spent 30
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minutes I spent 30 minutes trying to
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figure out how to make a skype call
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because I I'm always wondering if that
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was the problem really was i I mean I've
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had a lot of problems with skype I've
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always had a lot of problems with skype
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I everybody has problems good
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I when I try to use skype i am at the
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your grandfather with the with a new pc
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and I'm you know I don't know how I'm
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I'm talking into the mouse I it is to me
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the most baffling application I've ever
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seen in my life died
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nothing you can do with it ever it seems
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to be what you want it seems to me like
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once you have somebody's contact and if
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you double-click them it should be like
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either start a call or like hey you want
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to call this person
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nope not what happened
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I'm so afraid escape that I have not
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updated it and let's let's see
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so must have been since 2008 it looks
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like i'm running version 27 and I think
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it's well well beyond that but it's like
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it works and i know that other people
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have had trouble after they've updated
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it so I'm just like I'm not on until an
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adult stops working on i would recommend
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that you know my problem is I was doing
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that on another computer where I'd
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upgraded to whatever the new version is
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in it and it really they just made it
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did way worse but then I had got a new
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computer of a new air over here and I
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mean I guess I could dig up the old copy
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of skype somewhere but i think it says
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something that they still make the old
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give you google hard enough you can
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still find the download for it
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I know usually that's a pretty as a
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pretty bad sign
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I think right right if this you
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shouldn't need to be leaving that out
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there for people who write like it's one
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thing if you have an old version because
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your new version only works on operating
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system from last year and newer and hey
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if you're on an old operating system
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here is an old version and there's a
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technical limitation that that that
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would help people out by request you
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know keeping an old version available
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but when it when it really is people are
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so confused by the new version it right
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at the camera it calls they can actually
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use it to do what it's supposed to be
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going like at some point you just know
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though and you just know that there's a
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meeting where there's somebody who like
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raise their hand and and and they were
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like hey maybe instead of keeping the
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old version available what if we what if
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we can fix the new version so it wasn't
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confusing and that you know they got
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shot down and then right and they just
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went back and had like a dead a desk
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you've got a new website 23 is it still
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is it doing yeah well I long do we
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yeah I guess so I mean yeah I mean I
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guess in internet terms it's not that
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new anymore but it's new to me it's
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couple months old it's it's a very nice
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resident how much it literally literally
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and figuratively
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it's very nice website done now John
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Smoltz is very nice website
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yeah I was going to mention is looking
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for something that I link to the other
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day because it was relevant to what we
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were just talking about is that you can
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still run windows 8 on max that you
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cannot run lying on wow which i found an
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interesting i installed windows 8 I got
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the preview copy of windows 8 just for
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and put it on an old I had the first
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intel mac mini is of course solo and it
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won't take lion but it took Windows 8 is
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kind of weird
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yeah i've got i mean i think that some
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of that just has to do with their
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different markets i mean i think but
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also it's just they're different
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attitudes towards you know backwards
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compatibility right and it's you know
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it's the fact that Apple is
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fundamentally a computer maker not an
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operating company make right-right-right
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microsoft is interested in selling you
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the operating system if you've got all
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the hardware yeah we'd love to sell you
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the operating system but for example
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yeah I know we'd really rather you go on
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my new Mac I've gotta upcoming headache
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on my hands where I've got family
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members who've got lion max max running
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lion takes a lion or is it snow leopard
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not snow leopard gotta go back further
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right snow leopard I see this is the
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thing and add good old wool French used
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to complain about it endlessly that you
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keep it only remember like the two most
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recent cat names and how they correspond
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in otherwise it's like right i remember
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that there was one called tiger i I'd I
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don't remember what the hell it was
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whereas if you just stick that 10 4 10 5
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10 6 you know which one was newer and
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older anyway I think they're all on 10 5
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which is snow leopard yeah and so they
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can't do I cloud and they've got mac.com
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or me.com mobileme and and the the
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mobileme apocalypse is drawing nigh 10-5
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is leopard alright when a 60 snow
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leopard 10-7 is like you would you would
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think i would have this really is a very
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unprofessional
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now I it gets me all the times you and I
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recently and I noticed that was tight
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because i have a I mean it as you might
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suspect i have a a mess of Max in my
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office of varying ages and I mean the
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way that I remember that is i
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fortunately I have all the boxes from
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the different operating system releases
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in a row on my shelf but right now
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they're all they're all like strewn
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across the room because I've been
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I got a new you know Tom Carmen of
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course I he he's moving to San Francisco
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he had a yard sale and I picked up a
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lime imac from him and so i had to find
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something that would run and run on that
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you and iron it's a sick it is it's a
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sick as I people say stuff to me people
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say people write to me like hey I was
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digging through my garage and I found it
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an old Apple extended keyboard it's a
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great condition and the ID my mind I
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think send it to me I had a guy couple
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weeks ago who told me that he but had a
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an sp30 in the box and the end that he
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goes I don't know what I was thinking
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he seems like he was like you know it's
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a couple years older than us but he
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bought it in like nineteen eighty-nine
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or 90 brand new and never opened it
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thinking that that when he retired he
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would he would use it as his you know he
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would keep it and then when he retired
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get into it that's why we got a B says
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don't laugh it made sense at the time I
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didn't wasn't really thinking about the
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fact that computers really you know
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change every few years the ice you know
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I mean like it like in a sense like
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think about the way lady what I think
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and I don't want to put words in the
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fellows mouth but i think that he was
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thinking about it in a way that maybe 50
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years prior and I might have thought you
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know what when I retire I want to try to
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room taking take a shot at writing a
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novel and and buying the typewriter 20
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years first just like a little reminder
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that hey you know I'm a retired 15 years
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and i'm going to what I'm gonna do and I
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retires write a novel and there's the
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murders my typewriter i'm going to keep
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in the box and every couple days I'm
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gonna look at it and think about what
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I'm going to do I think that's how we
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went in to help with the computer but
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then racing you know it he's got it yeah
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twenty-five-year-old SE thirties never
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yeah but in the bottom right I'm not a
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hundred percent sure whether he's like
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never even like crack the cylinder or
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and still and then he was saying that
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you can any thought you know I gotta get
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rid of this day and used he thought he
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could sell it for what he bought it for
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in 1991 or whatever and any found out
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that no you can't know you see 30 is not
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worth of $5,000 yeah yeah i had my first
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mac was an SE with the not the 30 but
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with the double I know that your
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identity our identity harddrive heard of
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floppy drive and I said you know I sold
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it to buy the next one in dino but i
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still had you know like 10 years later
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or whatever it was i still had all of
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the the floppy discipline LOL digital
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games i thought i'd be kind of fun to
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so this was like 10 years ago now and
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got on ebay and you know machine that I
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paid two thousand dollars for i got it
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for a dollar
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listen we got the same got the same shot
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for a dollar and now it's here it's here
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in the in my office with a with a mac
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plus that a friend found on the side of
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the road and i'm using for shelving you
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i have my instincts are on the same way
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and i have to fight it
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yeah every step of the way I think of
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course I want the head set out what
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that's what that's what diantha diantha
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suspect that she had this conversation
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with Amy Jean she said because what i
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bought the imac from she said you just
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like group you know and I don't have it
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set up like and I don't have a tie i
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don't have as many as you do and I'm
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trying to fight the instinct to collect
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more but my instinct is always to say
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yes and if I i would do the same thing I
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I didn't even really care for the the
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the candy colored Mac era didn't really
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even here for that whole aesthetic but
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if i was in comedies house and he's
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having is a moving garage sale and
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there's a nice limonene imac my instinct
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would be well I'll take that
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yeah that i missed it i missed a 12 inch
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powerbook by like 10 minutes
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what about that till just kicking my I
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was kicking myself but I walked out over
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the line my Mac I've never had one of
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this this generation either i went
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straight from a performance 6400 illa
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the g4 power
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you know we are you and I worked where
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we know we rehearse this show very very
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sure to put a lot of effort into the
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rehearsal tonight preparation but while
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we were doing that one of the things we
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we talked about you talk about what site
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you used to write for I guess you
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haven't really officially shut it down
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but cars the crazy apple rumors have it
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yeah ah uu if you tell me about a pc i
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had to abandon about the what what how
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would you describe her
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the the mac that clip liquid I mean I i
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assume that she's clipart I mean that
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she was like a not actually a person who
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worked there in that connection what the
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mac connection had a log used to buy
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yeah i mean the way that we got all the
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information back then was you get these
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magazines you could macworld to get mac
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addict or whatever and in the back he
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opened up and they're all these ads for
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places like Matt connection at macmall
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that you know where we used by all
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that's all of our stuff for the rabble
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stores because you know that was chances
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are there was no place in town that you
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could buy anything from apple if you're
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certainly if you were someplace you know
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smaller town maybe you can go to a
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circuit city organic was a computer
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saying and go back at you know sandwich
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between the peripherals of the Damned
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there be your Mac section but at most
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everybody bought stuff from the back of
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these magazines and so there was ok so
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they always said some pretty girl who
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was supposedly the phone the phone the
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person that you would call it would be
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ready and willing to take your your
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order and so the piece was you know
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going to be about what she's doing now
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because this place is though I don't
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think they do the pills and the thing
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just the thing to remember is that mac
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connection was one of the bigger names
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number two number two it is really dates
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I mean this is me and you were getting
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into grandfather mode here but you have
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to remember there was no web yet i mean
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we're talking early night right
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very early night yeah nobody trusts me
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nobody bought anything I mean before
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amazon really this is before there even
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was a web though I mean or if there was
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it would certainly creampies get on it
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yeah some of it yeah yeah so if you
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wanted to buy a new modem you had to
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have like a magazine handy where you can
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call one of these 1-800 numbers and tell
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them which one wanted and and do it but
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the thing with matt connection is it was
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always the exact same photo of this
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it never changed they never picked a
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different woman they only had one
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picture of her which is certainly one of
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the reasons i always thought it was
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clipart to that they you know it wasn't
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like to have a series of photos yeah
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they were taking a new picture of her
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every year and once you ordered
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something from one of these companies
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are in another big one is macmall I mean
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I don't know these things they might
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even still be around i don't know but
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but once you order that macmall
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definitely you you would get on their
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list and then once a month it send you
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an updated catalogue and this actually
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was this wasn't like annoying i wish
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they'd stop this was actually helpful
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because then you would you know that
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there's like the only way you know what
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the new prices were for stuff right I
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and find out of a new product right i
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mean i was effectively the the app store
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and Amazon all rolled up in one because
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that's how you actually have to buy your
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apps at by it your apps in a box but
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Matt connection always was the exact
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same woman and anybody from that era
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well now she I mean she was attractive
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but she wasn't like super attractive she
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was now girl-next-door yeah like totally
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feasible that maybe she was somebody who
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answered the phone for them and they're
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like hey Sally would you mind if we take
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uh-huh maybe it maybe she was on the
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train I don't know for everybody maybe
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she did work there one right and hatred
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hey turn around click she didn't really
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she did not look like a model like a
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fashion model who was told he put this
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headset on and pretend you're on the
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phone for a second
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I'm you know but she is attractive but
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she also was very she also was very
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attractive in like a get the photo was
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very clearly taken in 1987 like she
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could not have looked more eighties and
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I even buy like the early nineties sort
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of started looking dated but exam
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yeah but it but we love to but she
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effectively was the logo from
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connection like she went with the Apple
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the apple with a bite out of it
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mark is to apple that that woman was to
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Matt connection like you wouldn't know
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it was Matt connection if you didn't see
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her and her photo was huge it was huge
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and catalog it was like where the people
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with this woman that's what you want to
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go get what you say that you go to sleep
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you have on their site to see if she's
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still there and you said you had to
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abandon the piece though
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yeah I got it just got too dark this is
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another good place to take a comedy like
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now that she's she's yeah it didn't end
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up well for her she's in an unhappy
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ah so I feel like there's a lot going on
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I feel like like this is we're going to
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fill up an hour here easy on me today
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today is couple things that new stuff i
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mean stuff that just if we had recorded
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yesterday we would already be out of
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date right so what we got today
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run run run down the news today Samsung
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losses how much 19 gazillion 10 billion
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dollars wiped off its value
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following a report baby x digits packets
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man that's gotta hurt
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that's the worst damn billion white
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wiped off your value from a report by
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digitizing indicating that Apple place
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the large order for deer am from a
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Japanese better
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elpida it is create digit times
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yeah and I think I mean that's happened
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I mean maybe not to that degree but some
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of that has happened to apple the past
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certainly and I don't know maybe not
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source from digitize but definitely I
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mean there's been instances were some
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rumors of negatively affected apples
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your place but this is pretty
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I this is pretty big I mean it's old
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news I mean and everything you can find
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examples of it every week where the
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stock market is not rational and it you
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know tends to overreact it's a herd
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mentality but this seems right i mean a
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new and ironed it's not like we're fans
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of samsung in particular but this seems
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outrageously greatly fair to write to
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I mean that Samsung is doing seems to be
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doing pretty darn well as a business
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say what you want about you know whether
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you like using the galaxy dingus phones
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or whatever but Rob but they seem to
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have a really rich business where they
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have a lot of things they're doing well
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in the phone market they're the only
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company other than apple making any
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significant profit I mean there's only
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two companies in the world making a
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profit serious profit selling phones
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apple and samsung and then the only 3rd
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company that's making like ten dollars a
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year is HTC everyone else is losing
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money so that's pretty good
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I they make their own screens they got
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manufacturing you know they did they're
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doing well in the TV business they they
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have a wide-ranging I mean they're a
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conglomerate in every sense of the word
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and it seems like they're doing really
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well and then digitize it says apples
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buying dear am from a deputy's company
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and they lose six billion dollars i was
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six billion 10 says 10 billion dollars
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in marketing campus is a lot like an
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electric least within several I I mean I
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presume that that will even out i'm in
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angles people will sober up after lunch
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and maybe the stock oh yeah even out but
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it just seems especially coming a day or
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two after Harry McCracken's epic alright
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let's say here's 25 digit time reports
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from the last few years right and then
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they run back in and and sell yourselves
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right and like like Keith that's like
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harry mccracken I mean that is like some
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serious claim child's cooking to go not
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just like one at a time but to do 25 and
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more or less the result was if the if
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the report from digit times even vaguely
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sensational interesting it ended up
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being complete bullshit and and the only
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ones that it that panned out were the
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ones that were kinda obvious like novels
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making the new phone this year right
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like anything that was actually like
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news where the internet and it's just
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that it just appalls me man over and
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over again people will still credulous
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Lee report things four digit times
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without i mean i think most of the most
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of the rumor sites now seem to at least
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being released to be putting some sort
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of disclaimer in about digital variety
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that they're very is a little
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they still yeah to me they're they're so
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bad it's not worth it and it's not even
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worth mentioning right i mean it's so
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bad that I think you could really use
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you would clean up
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I mean I got a preposterous set sense
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you would just clean up if you bet
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against anything there against because
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they're never there never write very
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now you like to gamble i do like to
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gamble I do you also identity you play
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the stocks now i don't i should but that
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because you know yeah it seems like
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those two things will go hand-in-hand
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I can see how it like I think it once
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you have a taste for it i do you know
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and then stuff like this JP Morgan stuff
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with a guy lost two billion dollars or
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difference of loops it really is it's
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the same thing it's just there's no
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difference between blackjack in the
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stock market except i think that the
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difference is there's no house in the
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stock market so if you're you know the
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big guy dominates the advantage to it is
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that you know you really you might be
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able to actually win in the long term
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since there's nobody taking a
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mathematical cut
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yeah somebody did a thing a couple years
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ago because if it was Matt how he or
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somebody but they just it wasn't super
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recent it was a before Apple really
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became huge it was when Apple was like
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in while apple's making a nice recovery
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but they're still like like one of the
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smaller players in tech but somebody had
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done a thing where they just tracked
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apple's stock price after keynote
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announcements and it like 44 times out
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of five right it went down the day of
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you know like the afternoon after a
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keynote and always recovered by the next
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week and inclined but you could you know
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that looked like you could really
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without paying any attention to the
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specifics of the rumors or even
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listening to what was announced in the
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keynote if you just bought apple in the
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afternoon after it dip five percent
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because they didn't announce you know 3d
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glasses that run on infinitely never run
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dry batteries as was predicted by
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analyst and engine sell it in a week
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after recovered and ever
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he was like hey you know they actually
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didn't have some cool stuff but when
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he's so good
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yeah you would you would like you can
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just make money you need money I I feel
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like there's a lot of padding
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programmable there's gotta be some
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patterns like that the stock market
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right there definitely are and I think
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once or twice I mean one every once in a
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while the little buck the trend but
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still if you did it if you did it over
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time enough you got you got to make a
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lot of money doing that there's a lot of
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I think that you can see a lot of gaming
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I mean it's almost you can see that
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there are people trying to float rumors
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leading up to events in order to try to
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affect the stock price right there's two
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senses of that there's the did nerd sent
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were we just listened and and we just
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want to know about the cool stuff and
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you know the sites like the verge and
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gadget we just want to hear it we just
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want to give us to give us the specs
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like I you know in a way that like we
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don't what we're happy when we have
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surprises in the keynote that aren't
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spoiled but if they're going to be
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spoiled let me read all the details
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about it in advance
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I can't help myself right ah but we
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really just they're doing it as nerds
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but there's also clearly another set of
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people who are setting things up to try
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to like it seems very clear that they're
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trying to move the stock right tells us
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what it's more like this time is more
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like this is more like poker then like
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you know more like we're sitting around
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playing poker with a bunch of different
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people as opposed to play nice yes
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exactly i have a friend who years ago
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actually did that and he decided he got
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he got into online
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we're playing poker online and then got
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so good at it that he decided he was
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gonna try and he's gonna take six months
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and try and make it his job and he did I
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mean he did ok you know his family
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wasn't having the street or anything but
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he didn't do it didn't do incredibly and
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but with the thing that really drove him
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back to do a regular job was that he
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just got tired of taking advantage of
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you because that's what you have to do I
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mean you go in there and I mean
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particularly around here he wasn't in
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vegas he was he was around here going to
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be no Indian casinos and and then you
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relative the important it is to them as
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the macbooks especially the heirs and
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it's a really simple company and then
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all they do is just study the company
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thought about that i mean it and it kind
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of think about like the microsoft store
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maybe it's a good focus
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good lens on their consumer business but
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anywhere near as easy as a company to
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they do a decent I mean I've been up I
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something to do with it but on they do a
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decent into a decent business in there
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afternoon and and it's it's full and
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their number of people walking around i
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don't have my mind made up about it but
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the way it's going to be but mozilla
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officially came out as being in
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opposition to this that because they
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can't do a full version of firefox for
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Windows RT making the argument that this
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not just is not the way it should be but
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that it shouldn't even be allowed to be
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this way because of all the the
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antitrust agreement microsoft has made
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do the unpleasantness and the the late
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nineties with the US department of
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justice and I guess you
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so I can totally see I absolutely see
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mozilla would it push in this direction
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because it's certainly in their
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interests to have firefox going to be
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able to do a full version of firefox for
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all versions of windows so I don't fault
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them for pushing in this direction but I
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don't know I I i tend to think my the
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way eileen is that Microsoft is actually
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isn't doing anything wrong here
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right well you would like two piece that
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indicated and most of that stuff is
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written in terms of that there were
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restrictions were on intel-based heart
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make more sense i mean if you think
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about the tablet market it's not obvious
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that Microsoft is not in a minimum
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position on the tablet market so it
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seems like this should be considered new
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territory right there's a couple ways to
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look at and I think looking at it and
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everybody think the news was that
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Mozilla kind of crack the seal on
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wanting to look at this from a legal
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perspective and not that they filed a
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they sort of at least like open the door
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you know maybe such as you know whether
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it would be like a civil suit or whether
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it would be them petitioning the
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department of justice or the European
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regulators to look into this but that
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you know legal action might might end up
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being taken place but I actually think
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Microsoft might be on good ground in
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this regard because like you said that
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the actual findings of facts from 1999
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mention over and over and over again 30
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sometimes Intel compatible pc operating
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yeah and that the thing that you think
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that you link to was specifically the
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doc Department of Justice settlement
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with Mike right off so I mean they may
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have a different issue with your plan
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situation so I mean maybe maybe that's
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another right and one of the things you
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writing during
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i bought the time but I was certainly
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following the tech industry just as
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obsessively you know and just appear
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layman's understanding of antitrust laws
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that monopolies aren't illegal in and of
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it's just that when you have a monopoly
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you have to play by different rules so
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it's not that hey you have a monopoly
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you've got to be busted up now it
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doesn't work like that but it's hey you
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have a monopoly you can't do certain
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things that you could do if you didn't
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have a monopoly on but there's all its
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it's hard to sometimes I think
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especially in the computer industry it's
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really kind of hard it depends how you
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divide something up to say whether
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something is a monopoly or not like I
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think the old AT&T phone monopoly in the
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US was as clear cases could be because
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if you wanted to call make a call to
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somebody who didn't live in your town
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the one and only way to do it was
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through AT&T and you paid whatever AT&T
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said you wanted to pay I I mean that's
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about as classic of a monopoly is it
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could be i think that the old railroad
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monopolies were as classic of monopolies
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you want if you wanted to ship something
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on a train from here to there had to go
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through these guys and there were no
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other options but when you start talking
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I mean I've heard people i have heard
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people endlessly talk about the fact
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that that like at accuse apple of having
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a monopoly on Mac OS that right that if
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you want a mac you've gotta you can only
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buy an Apple computer and I don't think
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I think that's I don't think there's any
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I don't think that actually is how
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things work but right uh just from a
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common-sense standpoint like you said
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couple minutes ago
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there's no I don't see how anybody could
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argue that Microsoft's monopoly on PC
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operating systems translates into
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tablets right that these that the
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machines that they intend to put Windows
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RT on Microsoft not only does have a
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monopoly they've got like nothing
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they've got zip
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I mean a tradition of try to saw windows
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as a tablet operating system for years
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and just not found anything but also
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this is just this is completely new
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marketing but I do it I I
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I you know I have to say and I've you
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know it's one of those things because i
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have wasn't writing daring fireball at
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the time and so there's no there's no
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record I can't prove it but I really
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have to say I was never all that
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comfortable with with the way that that
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the terms of Microsoft ended up agreeing
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to it and the antitrust agreement
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I've never i always thought that it just
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I I kind of saw microsoft side on it i
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do think that they did some things the
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way that they I think the things that
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they did that were wrong and clearly
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were illegal and deserve some sort of
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legal punishment were the the hardball
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tactics they took where it was like hey
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you're gonna do this like they go to del
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and say you're going to make Internet
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Explorer the default browser or we're
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not going to sell you any copies of
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windows period you know that right that
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right and that's illegal because they
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can't they needed L hat L needed
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licenses for windows otherwise they go
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out of business there were you know
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while there were other quote unquote
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Intel pc operating systems by the
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nineties you couldn't make any money
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selling computers that had used them
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ah but I don't know that they should
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have been forced to make some of these
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rules about windows and what they can do
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by default it really does yeah I always
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struck me as something that was going to
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hamstring them i think i thought at the
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time I was just happy that you know
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anything i was happy to see Microsoft
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get stuck by some right so I was a yeah
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certainly supported it at the time but
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probably not from a real logical stand
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right like first very specifically I
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remember and this was like a huge point
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of contention in the court proceedings
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was Microsoft's argument that internet
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explorer was part of the operating
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system not and it couldn't be the way
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that it was made it couldn't be dissin
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taken out uh and i think that the
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slashdot crowd really saw no merit to
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that argument whatsoever because at a
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technical level it certainly didn't have
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to be that way
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you certainly didn't have
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to make the browser part of the
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operating system but I actually think
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Microsoft was right that internet
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explorer was part of the operating
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system in the same way that WebKit is
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part of OS 10 and iOS that it's you know
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yeah David I think at the time I found
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that a convenient excuse
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you know they were trying to time and
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they were doing things like trying to
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make it the new windows explorer and
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that kind of thing and I thought that
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they were basically doing that in order
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to try to make it part of the operating
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system so they can use that as an excuse
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but I think in retrospect some of that
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was just my lack of foresight as to
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where they where they thought they were
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going with it but yeah and and that but
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I think now fast-forward flash forward
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fast forward I guess fast-forward to the
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present day and it really this whole
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argument really to me encapsulated the
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incredible tables are turned position
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between Apple and Microsoft mom you know
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where Apple's role in that hole late
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nineties Department of Justice
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investigation against Microsoft was sort
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of they like the fact that Apple didn't
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go out of business was like the best
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thing that ever happened to Microsoft
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because they could say hey we've got a
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competitor look at these guys these
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apple guys there you know they've got
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five percent of the market totally
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different operating system and and there
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was a don't take a right and there was
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you know I think that there is a I think
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everybody is largely an agreement that
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was that was sort of Microsoft
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motivation with the investment they made
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the famous you know on stage appearance
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big brother style behind steve jobs at
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the macworld expo where they said hey
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we're going to invest a couple hundred
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million dollars in non-voting shares
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we're you know we're buying some shares
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that have no you know special class of
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shares that doesn't give us any control
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over apple we just want to support the
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and we're were committing to make a
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great version of internet explorer for
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the mac apple is going to make it their
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default browser and where you know
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committing ourselves right here in
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public to to the next version of
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microsoft office which is going to be
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fully compatible with Windows Office
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which all of it was true right that the
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internet explorer was a good Mac browser
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at the time office was compatible and it
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really did I think you know at the time
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it really was essential
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I don't know that apple would have gone
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on a business if Microsoft cancelled
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office for mac but it certainly would
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have hurt a compass a big appearance he
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is a bigger prize thing that there was
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certainly a sizeable number of mac users
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who if they couldn't have had a version
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of office maybe couldn't have been you
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know would have had to switch to a
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windows pc it's funny how big a deal
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that was back then I think about that
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sometimes how big an office suite men's
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it really was a huge in the 90 it was a
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huge deal because it really was i I
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think that a very basic level it was the
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reason that people had computers right
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that they'll I guess we just we printed
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a lot more back then printed a lot more
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printing was ridiculously huge LOL now
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I'm I / sometimes my printer like the
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yellow light blinks because there's
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something in it gets like a month not
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the only time I realize it is when I go
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in front of boarding pass for my next
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yeah I have a I bro for a long time are
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only our main printers in my office and
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and my wife is the only one that uses it
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and I mean it's still have every time it
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fires up it scares me gets I get
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startled by the noise and I actually had
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to turn it off in order to get to this
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podcast that is she is doing is your
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wife or print he earns more than I do
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see Prince study at more than I do
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yeah she's it carries just a crazy part
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she printed every time she will do
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things like and and smart stuff too like
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you're going on vacation or something
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she'll print like a temporary with all
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the basic information and so was I and I
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just think well it's in my phone
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somewhere and so like I'll just sit
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there like a jerk and
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and 20 minutes trying to find a
00:42:51
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confirmation code while I'm at the hotel
00:42:53
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checkout desk words just got like eight
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pieces of paper that have everything you
00:42:57
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could want to know right there but yeah
00:42:59
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I mean a couple must I coming months ago
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we went skiing and she you know was
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smart enough to have to force it to know
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that we were driving up into the
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mountains and would not get good cell
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coverage and so she printed out to the
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directions and you know and sure enough
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we got here we were we were just about
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lost at one point and I'm like I have no
00:43:18
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I've completely clueless because i have
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no cell connection that it's you it's
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like you're you and I are again exactly
00:43:27
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in the same boat because I would never
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think that I've to me printing
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directions is something i did when i was
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a kid right now it's not something a man
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does today got an iphone but i do it is
00:43:39
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really too many highlights the
00:43:41
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difference between Apple and Microsoft
00:43:42
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competitive positions where clearly i I
00:43:45
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really don't think that this is even a
00:43:46
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matter for dispute this isn't being an
00:43:49
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apple fanboy or anything I mean windows
00:43:51
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RT is chasing iOS I mean and it's going
00:43:55
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to be you know that the other thing
00:43:59
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they're doing is the next version of
00:44:01
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windows phone is going to be based on
00:44:03
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the big boy version of windows it's
00:44:05
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going to be a it's a serious I've Paul
00:44:09
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►
throughout throughout had a good piece
00:44:11
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►
about it last week I link to better you
00:44:15
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know it's a big deal for developers
00:44:17
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it's you know it's going to look the
00:44:18
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metro UI will be mostly the same but
00:44:20
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it's a real significant under the hood
00:44:22
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►
thing where it's not a grownup version
00:44:25
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of the old windows mobile it's a
00:44:27
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►
cut-down version of windows 8 and I
00:44:32
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►
think Apple again there's there's legal
00:44:34
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►
argument centres technical arguments and
00:44:36
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►
the technical side I think you know
00:44:37
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►
people have school down and it's no
00:44:40
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longer nobody's as hot under the collar
00:44:42
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►
as they used to be about the appstore
00:44:45
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►
rules is just the basic idea not the
00:44:48
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►
exceptional cases where it's you know
00:44:50
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►
there's some kind of edge case rejection
00:44:53
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right but just the basic idea that apps
00:44:56
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go through the app store they're all
00:44:59
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reviewed and there's a lot of things you
00:45:02
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know you've got to play within a tight
00:45:04
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sandbox rules that keep your app from
00:45:06
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you know running a monk you don't have
00:45:08
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►
background privilege or you're very
00:45:10
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►
limited background privileges you can't
00:45:14
◼
►
see the whole file system you can only
00:45:16
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►
see that your own data sandboxing does
00:45:20
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►
still get people developers on under the
00:45:23
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►
well in it that's a different issue on
00:45:25
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the mac though and part of that it
00:45:27
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►
really highlights and I think it shows
00:45:29
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►
the problems Microsoft's going to have
00:45:30
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moving forward is that it's a he was a
00:45:32
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►
huge advantage to Apple to say this is a
00:45:36
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►
new thing this is ios and here are the
00:45:40
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►
rules and it's all you know in fact they
00:45:43
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►
started with literally here's the
00:45:44
◼
►
weekend 2007 five years ago they said
00:45:48
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here's your phone running iOS it has no
00:45:51
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►
apps like the great like they started
00:45:54
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from a point where third-party
00:45:56
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developers were told you know you can
00:45:58
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write a web page
00:45:59
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►
ah yeah and so they grew from there
00:46:03
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►
and so the app store with all of its
00:46:04
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►
limitations was you know the proverbial
00:46:07
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►
I class ice water and he'll compared to
00:46:11
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►
not having any app third-party apps at
00:46:14
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►
all whereas trying to impose these rules
00:46:17
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on the Mac where developers were pretty
00:46:19
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much free to invite if you could make it
00:46:23
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and it runs can do it put it on your
00:46:26
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►
website people downloaded and you know
00:46:28
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►
whether it's an app that sticks to our
00:46:30
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►
recommended guidelines or whether it's
00:46:32
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►
you know some kind of Colonel Colonel
00:46:39
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►
plugin that implements you know low
00:46:42
◼
►
level stuff they could freeze the whole
00:46:44
◼
►
machine you can install it if you want
00:46:46
◼
►
around but that if you think they will
00:46:52
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►
always allow that on the mac i do I
00:46:55
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►
don't I really nice seriously do the
00:46:57
◼
►
quiz i think the bigger question is how
00:46:59
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►
long does the mac stay around i mean is
00:47:01
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►
the mac still around 10 years from now I
00:47:03
◼
►
you know 15 years from now that's the
00:47:05
◼
►
bigger question but as long as there are
00:47:07
◼
►
max I think that that stays I think that
00:47:12
◼
►
I've talked to people at Apple about it
00:47:14
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►
and you know you never know again you
00:47:17
◼
►
no it's not like they're going to
00:47:17
◼
►
divulge if they really had a secret plan
00:47:19
◼
►
to to take that away in mac OS x 10.9
00:47:24
◼
►
Ocelot or whatever they're going to call
00:47:26
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►
it that I'd not sound like they would
00:47:29
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►
necessarily tell me even in confidence
00:47:31
◼
►
but just the conversations I've had with
00:47:34
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►
ppl makes me I i really believe it thats
00:47:36
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►
you know and that's also why I don't
00:47:39
◼
►
believe any kind of stories about iOS
00:47:41
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►
and OS 10 merging you know that there's
00:47:44
◼
►
gonna be 10 s that uh huh
00:47:47
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►
I just don't you know they may be
00:47:49
◼
►
similarities but to me it's fundamental
00:47:52
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►
to the way it works so once you start
00:47:54
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►
with something like a set of rules for a
00:47:56
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►
game all it's almost like it's like this
00:47:58
◼
►
changing the rules of the game like you
00:48:00
◼
►
just can't change them that much if you
00:48:04
◼
►
yeah you can't go in now and say
00:48:06
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►
baseball you can't be there is no more
00:48:08
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►
left-handed batters because left it's a
00:48:10
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►
too big of an advantage because there
00:48:11
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►
they start four feet closer to first
00:48:14
◼
►
base than right-handed batters so now
00:48:15
◼
►
everybody has to bat from the right side
00:48:16
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►
what you can't do that now it might make
00:48:18
◼
►
some kind of logical sense but you know
00:48:21
◼
►
you can't do it its 28 that's probably
00:48:28
◼
►
bad example i guess but you know I could
00:48:31
◼
►
see like doing that
00:48:32
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►
yeah you know what i should say that
00:48:35
◼
►
actually sounds like him but I I just
00:48:40
◼
►
think though I think one of the reasons
00:48:41
◼
►
that everybody's cool down about the the
00:48:43
◼
►
iOS rules is that it's clearly worked
00:48:45
◼
►
that it is proven to be wildly popular
00:48:48
◼
►
and it's hard even for us even for the
00:48:52
◼
►
type of geeks who like iOS and love
00:48:58
◼
►
their iPads and and love their iphones
00:49:00
◼
►
it's hard for us to and I know it's hard
00:49:05
◼
►
for me to understand how regular people
00:49:08
◼
►
see computers people who just that they
00:49:12
◼
►
just really have very little
00:49:13
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►
understanding of what the hell is
00:49:15
◼
►
actually going on and I just think that
00:49:17
◼
►
you just cannot there's no way to
00:49:18
◼
►
overstate the relief that they see what
00:49:23
◼
►
when they're using iPads and iPhones
00:49:25
◼
►
where they feel like they can't screw
00:49:27
◼
►
anything up there is no way to screw it
00:49:29
◼
►
there's nothing you can do that is going
00:49:33
◼
►
to render this thing in a broken just by
00:49:36
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►
installing software clicking the wrong
00:49:38
◼
►
button or something like that huh which
00:49:40
◼
►
is you know and it a problem on the Mac
00:49:43
◼
►
you know that you can buy stuff install
00:49:46
◼
►
too much crap in your menu bar that's
00:49:48
◼
►
always running and all of a sudden
00:49:50
◼
►
I i think it's a huge relief and it's
00:49:54
◼
►
like a piece of mind and I think it's a
00:49:57
◼
►
huge part of the ipads success in the
00:50:01
◼
►
market like why people are buying iPads
00:50:04
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►
and using them instead of using laptops
00:50:06
◼
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is that these rules are good for people
00:50:10
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and it's not the point is not and this
00:50:12
◼
►
you know I i do see the the Free
00:50:14
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►
Software Foundation you know I see their
00:50:17
◼
►
argument that you don't want all
00:50:18
◼
►
computers to have this rule but they're
00:50:20
◼
►
all computers don't have these rules
00:50:21
◼
►
right it's just this huge job you know
00:50:24
◼
►
there's this huge opportunity that Apple
00:50:27
◼
►
was the first to take to make computers
00:50:29
◼
►
that had these rules and it's not
00:50:31
◼
►
supposed to be for everybody it's not
00:50:33
◼
►
you know all computers shouldn't have
00:50:35
◼
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those rules but most I think should and
00:50:39
◼
►
I think it's idea i just don't I can't
00:50:41
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►
see how Microsoft should be disallowed
00:50:43
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►
from following with windows or you know
00:50:47
◼
►
and then again this is another one of
00:50:48
◼
►
those things where the sty and I
00:50:51
◼
►
personally always attributed to Ballmer
00:50:53
◼
►
but that this idea that everything has
00:50:55
◼
►
to be called windows it's got to have
00:50:57
◼
►
windows a name something I that's right
00:51:00
◼
►
I gotta think that's really holding them
00:51:01
◼
►
back and on so many regards I mean the
00:51:04
◼
►
names the names become increasingly
00:51:06
◼
►
ridiculous just from you know the way
00:51:09
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►
they sound because they keep putting
00:51:12
◼
►
different things on the end of Windows
00:51:13
◼
►
but also just just from like a branding
00:51:17
◼
►
perspective I think people are sort of
00:51:19
◼
►
tired of it and maybe that's just from a
00:51:22
◼
►
mac user perspective but I it doesn't
00:51:26
◼
►
mean having the xbox not named something
00:51:29
◼
►
windows i think is a great advantage for
00:51:32
◼
►
yeah absolutely and I think that xbox is
00:51:36
◼
►
their best the best example and abet is
00:51:39
◼
►
that it's the only that's the best
00:51:40
◼
►
counter again it's the only thing that
00:51:42
◼
►
we need to slap windows
00:51:43
◼
►
every exactly and it's the best even if
00:51:45
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an I presume again I've never I don't I
00:51:48
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►
certainly haven't written an xbox game
00:51:49
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►
but I i presume and I'd I think that
00:51:52
◼
►
it's this is actually true that writing
00:51:54
◼
►
games for the xbox is largely or at
00:51:58
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►
least in many ways similar to writing
00:52:00
◼
►
games for windows you know that if
00:52:03
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►
you're good at writing you know like its
00:52:08
◼
►
software type games you know quake and
00:52:11
◼
►
those type of games for the pc on
00:52:14
◼
►
windows that a lot of the techniques you
00:52:17
◼
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use and the code you use can be reused
00:52:18
◼
►
on xbox you know that so in the same way
00:52:20
◼
►
that iOS and OS 10 share these
00:52:23
◼
►
fundamental technologies the xbox does
00:52:25
◼
►
too but they just don't call it that
00:52:26
◼
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right and i do think that that really
00:52:31
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I and I think it hurts them in this
00:52:32
◼
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argument you know and I see people who
00:52:34
◼
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are you know I see that there's a lot of
00:52:36
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►
people supporting the Mozilla an
00:52:38
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►
argument that you know that they
00:52:39
◼
►
shouldn't be allowed to do this for for
00:52:41
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Windows RT and again you know it does
00:52:45
◼
►
kind of stink and you know it
00:52:47
◼
►
there's trade-offs nobody's saying that
00:52:49
◼
►
that these rules like in the app store
00:52:51
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►
and way that they want to run Windows RT
00:52:53
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that there aren't downsides to these
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rules i think clearly the fact that macs
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and pcs can run alternate browsers that
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can be set as the default it you know
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that there's been way more innovation in
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the browser space because of firefox and
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google chrome and all the WebKit type
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stuff then there would have been
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otherwise I you know and maybe somebody
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else is going to come out with a browser
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for mobile devices that iphone users are
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going to be left out in the cold from
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because they can't install it from the
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app store it's possible that you know it
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seems silly to think that WebKit mobile
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web kit is always going to be the
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so you're with me on this that you think
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that that that the windows RT the
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restrictions on Windows RT are
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reasonable if it's not
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yeah I don't think yeah i mean i don't
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think there's any way that you could
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look at I mean you can't
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it seems like if you look at the letter
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of the agreement in and of itself that
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it's clear that it's focused on until
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based hardware and and then from a
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purely rational aspect of looking at the
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market they have no they have no
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monopoly over the tablet market so you
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know it the that agreement does not
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really apply
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yeah and it sort of seems like i mean
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the the guy from Mozilla who was you
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know he's a lawyer so he's looking at it
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from a legal perspective and he seemed
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to be saying I mean did seem like you
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know they might be taking action
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they're trying to take action but he
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also seemed to be stripped insinuating
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that it was against the the spirit of
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the law of the of the settlement which
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you know I mean maybe you can make that
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the case but you know companies aren't
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bound by the spirit of a settlement
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early found by down by the law and you
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can't really follow them i mean Apple
00:55:40
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would do the same thing right I
00:55:44
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completely agree and i do but i don't
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really fascinating to see how it plays
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out and i really do think
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and I it's you know that the Shakespeare
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quote rose by any other name would smell
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just as what nice
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whatever the hell he says we and what
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the hell Shakespeare you can rewrite the
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guy yeah I I really think it would make
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a difference if it were called Metro OS
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just you know I always that's my idea my
00:56:11
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mind free consultation to them is that
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they should call windows forearm metro
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OS or just metro just say this is metro
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and you can get it on your phones you
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get it on your tablet you can even get
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it on a laptop and if it's under the
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hood all standard the windows kernel and
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all of this code that's exactly the same
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as you know windows more power to them
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that's an engineering win we're not
00:56:37
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duplicating effort but you don't brand
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and i'm telling you if if they did that
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I think that their argument would have
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carry a lot less weight that's what it's
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just another reason why i think that the
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argument doesn't carry ways if they just
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change the name of the thing it seems
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like all the logic doesn't apply in a
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how can I have a monopoly with an
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operating system that isn't even out yet
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for devices it is a little it is a
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little weird i mean i-i any i would
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probably agree on this too but I mean
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the fact that they still have that the
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full desktop experience and that they
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will ship a full version of office for
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Windows RT and and whatever other
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applications that Microsoft deems worthy
00:57:18
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of getting a pass i'm at that and having
00:57:22
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used windows 8 it's the whole switching
00:57:26
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back and forth between metro and the
00:57:29
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traditional Windows desktop is a jarring
00:57:32
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experience and I'd that I don't
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understand mean and I think you've
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posted this before to go but just just
00:57:40
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the packet everybody should have
00:57:42
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jettisoned the Windows desktop right on
00:57:45
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arm all right that would have made a lot
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more sense right and I just feel it's
00:57:49
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just another one of those things where
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there's it there's trade-offs you know
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like and everybody knows everybody is at
00:57:54
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least halfway Vicki knows that it can be
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frustrating on the iphone especially on
00:58:00
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the ipad i think it's more of a deal on
00:58:02
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that because you can work on the ipad
00:58:04
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and sometimes you just feel like I wish
00:58:07
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I could just get a list of all the files
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on this thing just show me a list of all
00:58:11
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these files and let me just drag take
00:58:13
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this one and say I want to open this one
00:58:15
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in that app or I want to take this file
00:58:18
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and send it to my mac at home and
00:58:21
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sometimes the fact that you that there
00:58:23
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is no the equivalent of a finder whether
00:58:26
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it looked like the finder or not but
00:58:27
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there's no app that's like that it is
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frustrating and but there are there's a
00:58:32
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simplicity window that if it isn't even
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there then every app has to kind of
00:58:38
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encapsulate its data in a simpler way
00:58:42
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like the fact that it's not there and
00:58:44
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that developers can't say we'll just go
00:58:46
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to Explorer and you know change the file
00:58:48
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extension in and it should fix itself
00:58:50
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that if you don't even have the option
00:58:52
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of telling your users that you've got to
00:58:53
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you've got to do the work to present the
00:58:56
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data in a simpler way i do think that
00:59:00
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it's going to be I think of it just
00:59:03
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seems crazy that you can get this
00:59:04
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brand-new tablet with this fancy
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lovely-looking whether it's you know
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something you really want to use all the
00:59:12
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time I think it's up up for up for
00:59:15
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debate metro but it looks nice and it
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certainly looks new and it certainly
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doesn't look like anything windows ever
00:59:20
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done before and then all of a sudden you
00:59:22
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hit the explore button then you're in
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you know yeah like windows seven all
00:59:27
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yeah which I said I sort of take that as
00:59:30
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a compliment to us that we all seem to
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like it when lots of mac users have said
00:59:36
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that they liked the with the Metro
00:59:38
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interface and so you know there we
00:59:42
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weren't we were just need your Apple
00:59:44
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apologist for all those years where we
00:59:46
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said we hated windows we really it went
00:59:48
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yeah I totally did that totally agree
00:59:51
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with that yeah I just like nice things
00:59:54
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I've always said I just like nice things
00:59:56
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and it just happens to be that a lot of
00:59:59
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these companies never
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these companies never
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for make nice things yeah what else we
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got here the wall street journal
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confirmed today or that they did they
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left themselves some wiggle room but
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they said that Apple is going to switch
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24 inch iphone displays the rain luck
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and juro osawa reporting for the wall
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street journal as the new iphone that
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Apple incorporated is expected to unveil
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this year is likely to have a larger
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display than its current models have
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with the company ordering bigger screens
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from occasion suppliers people familiar
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with the matter said yeah you and I if
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we ever form a band we were talking
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before the show that maybe doing a song
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I don't know I maybe we'll wait till
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another episode but if we do I think
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maybe a name for our band people
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familiar with the matter
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oh yeah now that's a good name for a
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band and her band of it by people who do
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maybe media criticism all the songs will
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be about media criticism I feel like are
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you looking at the the one that has the
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picture the guy holding the white iphone
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i think something that was what it was
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yeah he's only got four fingers you know
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I didn't see that on that trip huh
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it's got a thumb and three fingers I
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think he's one of the simpson kids you
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know I had a conversation with Jonas
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about that about why it why do so many
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cartoon characters only have three
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anchors and a thought
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yeah he did not buy my explanation that
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it's easier to draw and and looks better
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over here is what helped Mike what did
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he have an alternate explanation
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no he thinks I'm hiding the truth from
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you know that he's not buying it huh
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there was an episode i believe there was
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an episode where the Simpsons where
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Homer imagined what his kids would look
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like if they were regular were actual
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and he said something about
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five-fingered freaks and they showed us
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showed a picture of them drawing more
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more normal picking any movie I believe
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he cried out in terror
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I do see this picture of the guy holding
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the white iphone
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yeah which is the normal you know that's
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the way right that he's got his indigo
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behind ya the index fingers just but
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it's completely yeah but it you know it
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doesn't look like he's got four fingers
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like maybe he was got caught shoplifting
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singapore something which would be a
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half but that would suck to it when its
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stock if they if if you got caught
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shoplifting and one of these countries
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when you're going to lose your finger
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and they go right for the index finger
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sure that the pinky I would be terrible
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and then that you see if you gripe I bet
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they're like you're lucky we didn't take
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exactly oh man can you imagine taking
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the taking the thumb that's what am I
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know where that's what my were sad that
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I mean because then you just you're not
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even human anymore you remember a couple
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months ago when I had that goofy family
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every that's friend back at that
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happened I was I had that that cast or
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brace on all the way up to my elbow but
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I still had my thumb and it was it was
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incredibly frustrating to have my whole
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left hand in this thing and be done able
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to use any of my fingers for a couple of
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weeks but the fact that I still had the
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thumb was surprisingly useful
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surprisingly useful you know identified
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that I just remember thinking if I
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didn't have that thumb and I would be it
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i mean i could it was hard but if I had
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something in my right hand I could with
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that thumb I could eventually open a
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door knob yeah yeah I noticed also
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talked about how hard it is for my dog
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and the dog does not have thumbs and
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just the way he is that the way he has
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to hold something he's chewing on true
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that's no life and that's no way to live
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and we like to think that we're so smart
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in that we've you know we've got these
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great minds that have separated us from
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the rest of the animal kingdom but
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really all we've got a good thumbs right
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if you had thumbs you replace me in all
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right okay yeah i would imagine if the
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Dolphins had thumbs up always equally
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look man we have to be so screwed
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we're already not the smartest species
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on the planet right I they would just be
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able to better prove it right or
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elephants imagine of elephants had
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yeah they could really kick some ass
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they rang it sounds like there's a mean
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this is a stupid story but bringing
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things using iPads I saw that where I
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don't make it though I saw it were like
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what I didn't read it either but like
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one step away from Planet of the Apes
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you get those rankings iPads and were
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you know right now they're like
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communicating and stuff right there
01:04:50
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making plans and good they're going to
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get on facebook
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we're gonna start talking to each other
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and then and then the next thing you
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know you're running through the brush
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with Charlton Heston this for inside fun
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thing I've talked about this before and
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I've heard whispers about it i still
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don't know that it's certain nobody ever
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Apple it and people used to tell me
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things that apple now they did they
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don't tell me anymore i don't think that
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i think they've got way more secretive
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than before and i have i've been saying
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this to people I've had a lot of people
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ask me after Steve Jobs died you think
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apple is going to maybe open up a little
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I honestly I'd for everything I've
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observed over the last nine months or
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maybe even call it a year because i
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think clearly job started winding down
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is his management before he actually
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retired I i think they've gotten only
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only on more secretive in my experience
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um but then I've heard the thing i've
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heard is that if they go to a 4-inch
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it's going to stay the same with and
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they're just going to make it taller and
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it's going to have the same pixel
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density in other words the same number
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of pixels print she's going to they're
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going to add more pixels make a more
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like a like a wider screen display or a
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taller screen display whatever you want
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to call it and that you know what about
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developers developers you know assume
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that this exact pixel count but that
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there already are things like when
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you're on a phone call and it you have
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like a double-height status bar
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nah that right you're already supposed
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to make your appt a little bit flexible
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in that dimension you know that
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apparently some apps don't do that as
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well as others they
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shrink they just let that green
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double-side statusbar take up space but
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i think that that's you know that's the
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the answer because i don't think the
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other thing is I don't think that they
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want to make a physically bigger fun
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like to me what's ridiculous with the
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android hope not
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giant phones is not the fact that the
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screen is bigger bigger screen is better
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in general for a phone but not the
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bigger devices are worse right to me
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thats the trade-off involved bigger
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yes terrific bigger device heavier takes
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up more space in your pocket harder to
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hold in one hand I not good so I you
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yeah why not if they can keep the device
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the same size and devote more of the
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front face to the screen
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why not I because I'm holding my phone
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in my hand right now and I i can
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comfortably well i can not completely
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comfortably but I can touch all four
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corners with my thumb if it gets well
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maybe if it gets taller actually think
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right especially if you think that upper
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corner me and even that one but still
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pretty close and if you did if it were a
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half of it were at the top half the
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extra pixels are at the top and half her
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at the bottom I to me i don't think it
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really would make that big of a
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difference it might be a little bit
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harder to get there in the corner but I
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mean I think Apple clearly you know is
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aware of that everybody knows that they
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take these phones out i'm sure if you
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went to any beer garden in the san jose
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area greater cupertino area you can see
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dozens of these phones being used
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recklessly and left behind on some
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barstools any night of the week
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I mean they famously test these things
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you know you're not going to make it so
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big that you can't get that it's harder
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to get the corner to corner they found a
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bet they have a case that makes it look
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like a galaxy tab or galaxy note I with
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a stylus on this so i think it's totally
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believable what I would not believe
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would be if if these reports are coming
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out saying that Apple is going to make a
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phone that is a lot bigger physically
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bigger nah you know everything I've
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heard is that if they go to a bigger
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it's bigger than that one dimension same
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physical size dollars right and I've
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also talked about this that the way that
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they make these screens is they make I'm
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and I'm you know I could be talking out
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of my ass here but my understanding is
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away LCD screens are made is that they
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make big big sheets of these things and
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they find sect they identify sections
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that are known you know that don't have
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dead pixels and then they come cut them
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to size so it's like they don't like
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imagine a big sheet of paper and then
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you just a hot little three-and-a-half
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inch rectangles out of it and boom
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here's an iphone screen here is an
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iphone screen so if they the way that
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they would make these screens as they
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would be using the exact same sheets as
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the current iphone retina display and
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they would just be cutting slightly
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taller rectangles out of them and if you
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think of that you know that sounds crazy
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that sounds crazy I mean you're probably
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right i mean but because i know nothing
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about that but that just sounds like
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you're making taffy sort I think it sort
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and and so from an economies of scale
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perspective and this sort of the tim
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cook uh you don't have to retool and
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exactly is it you wait you wait another
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nanosecond as the things coming through
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in the crate from a Tim Cook operational
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genius perspective it makes a lot of
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sense right and that's also the argument
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behind the exact same argument behind
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the rumored 7.82 568 inch iPad you know
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this always it's just the other way
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well it would be the the if you have if
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you took a the the iphone 3gs screen the
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classic pre retina iphone LCD and you
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took a that exact LCD but imagine it as
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a big sheet the size of a table and you
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cut a 1024 x 768 pixel rectangle out of
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it comes out to be exactly 7.82 inches
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or something like that which is exactly
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the rumored size of the smaller ipod so
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in other words they these LCD screens
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that Apple has been
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producing ever since the first iphone
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because that's you know the 3gs has the
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exact same LCD displays the original
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iphone alright that they're still making
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today you know and still is apparently a
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pretty popular phone is like the third
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most popular phone at AT&T they don't
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have to make a new display for and a
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smaller ipad they just have to cut
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bigger size out of the displays that are
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already making right and presumably that
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would be you know by Apple's standard
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super cheap because they've got you know
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it's old technology you know it's
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pre-read meds right right
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never tried one of these super-sized
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phones now iÃve I've got the you've got
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it you've got a couple of what you've
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got a windows mi6 lumia I got the loop
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and I have the lumiere you know you have
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a looming have the Lumia 800 though not
01:11:48
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the 911 is on sale but it's i love it i
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like it better and I've I've I've tried
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the 900 I i think the 800 is better i
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like what i really do because it's more
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comfortable in my hand
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it's it is very very roughly it is
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iphone sized more or less but like this
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rumored for enjoy iphone it's got a 3.7
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inch screen it's a good cause it's 69 I
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so it's taller
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it's got to be no more of the front a
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little bit more of the front face is
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devoted to the screen then on the iphone
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and i find that nothing but pleasing but
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it fits in my hand like the iphone and
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and you know so it's a little bit bigger
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it's like it's not quite four inches
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it's like 3.75 inches diagonal but I
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don't have any trouble going corner to
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corner with my thumb's just feels great
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my hand but the the Galaxy Nexus the top
01:12:44
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of the line android phone which is I
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think I swear I'm not making this up i
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think it's like a four point eight inch
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ah it's it's just too big it's too big
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to use with one hand it really is it is
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it's nice to use with two hands it you
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know and and I'm not surprised and I'll
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i think i've said this before the way
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that android is meant to work where
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they're supposed to be a variety
01:13:08
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devices not surprised at all that some
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people would prefer a sort of as big as
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a phone could get without being laughed
01:13:17
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at phone right I'm not surprised at all
01:13:20
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that there's a lot of I'm not either and
01:13:22
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that's the whole advantage of the that
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that whole model that you can get this
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sort of variety that you're never going
01:13:27
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to get from apple because Apple is
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insane about these economies of scale
01:13:32
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and they're not going to make a fuck you
01:13:34
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know 222 new phones that are only
01:13:37
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slightly different you know in size are
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not going to do it
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I'm still shocked that there are 4000
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distinct android roms I mean that just
01:13:48
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seems like a crazy number this is a from
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arstechnica Casey Jones to johnston
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android fragmentation one developer
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encounter street 3997 devices just I i
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mean i have no idea how you mean I saw
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how that happens you see their story the
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other day about the game developer who
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took a picture of their testing room and
01:14:20
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they have all their android phones out
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on one table wasn't 4,000 phones but
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they had like a table with ya a hundred
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android phones off yeah yeah and 3,000
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of them were from Samsung I wonder you
01:14:34
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know just to play devil's ack just to
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play devil's advocate for a second you
01:14:39
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know it is it fair to say that it did
01:14:42
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say that there's 4,000 phones you have
01:14:44
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to support and how is that different
01:14:45
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than with your windows developer and the
01:14:48
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number of pcs that are out there i mean
01:14:50
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it's probably almost infinite the number
01:14:54
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of different pcs yeah but on the other
01:14:58
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hand I don't see windows developers did
01:15:02
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must be some some other differences that
01:15:05
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must be harder it must be different with
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mobile because you don't see windows you
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help her say our new games too many
01:15:11
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devices right well they don't have like
01:15:13
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a list our game runs on the HP pavilion
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blah blah blah
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the samsung well for years some sound
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cards have always been a big yeah issue
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videocards I mean those two things being
01:15:23
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really for game development it is a pain
01:15:25
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in the ass and they have to you know
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they have to be really careful about
01:15:28
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what they do and try and hit the top
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that's you know how call that probably
01:15:34
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exactly it is that android is back in
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the pre microsoft sort of put the hammer
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down and sort of said look enough of
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this nonsense with sound cards and stuff
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like that if you want if you want to run
01:15:46
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the new version of windows you've got to
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have this that you know all of these
01:15:50
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people doesn't seem google doesn't have
01:15:51
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that lever right I think that's the
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difference is that Microsoft cleaned up
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I mean as fragmented is the pc market
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can be at a certain point microsoft said
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look here's the baseline and it covered
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it covered everything from the processor
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to the video to the sound card and you
01:16:09
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can use whatever you want but it
01:16:11
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these are the minimum requirements and
01:16:12
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if you don't meet all these minimum
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requirements you don't get windows and
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if you don't have windows good luck
01:16:17
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selling your pc right huh
01:16:19
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and it really did help and I think
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that's exactly where android is sort of
01:16:23
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back in the you've got to have a certain
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certain sound card and you've got to be
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able to run opengl 4.1 you know a good
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luck with your about typical person
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knowing whether their android phone is
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capable of the newest version of OpenGL
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this map of the map of all the different
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device types that looks like a resident
01:16:43
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mandal brought yeah it's just like it
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because it has that the major ones over
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the left and it could get that the size
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is a proportional size for each square
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is that there is the the number of
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devices out there and this gets smaller
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and smaller and smaller smaller it's
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like it's like it's a fractal this is
01:17:08
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things we don't have all developers
01:17:11
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don't worry about now what else is going
01:17:16
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sometimes I wanted to talk to you about
01:17:18
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about this ashton kutcher dress like
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steve jobs now
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yeah yeah I think I really don't care i
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really i have no hopes or expectations
01:17:30
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for either of these two movies and I
01:17:33
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mean just I have people seem to get why
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that Ashton Kutcher and like and then
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excited about Sorkin writing the other
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one and I just I really do not care
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alright I think I'm with you on that I
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I'm i don't care i would be great i hope
01:17:51
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both movies are good
01:17:52
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I I hope they're great i hope i hope
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every movie that's ever made is great
01:17:55
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but it's not gonna happen but here's the
01:17:57
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thing and I mentioned this in my wife
01:18:00
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pointed out and I'd sort of thought
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about my wife really called it out is
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what the hell is he doing dressed as
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Steve Jobs out getting coffee like it is
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he was he on his way to the set do
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actors typically oh I assumed i ii III
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assumed that it will I assume that was
01:18:16
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part of it was photographed like coming
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out of a starbucks right
01:18:20
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he always ok he's got like a like a cup
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of coffee I guys coffee in his hand and
01:18:24
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he's dressed like still looks like he's
01:18:25
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trying to walk like steve jobs too but
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he's got like young Steve Jobs Herot
01:18:31
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yeah and then a an old Steve Jobs is
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yeah like jobs when he had a thick head
01:18:39
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full of hair never wore that outfit my
01:18:43
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knowledge that the black turtleneck and
01:18:45
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jeans and new balance thing was a like
01:18:48
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1997 was spotted as he made his way to
01:18:51
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the set of the late Apple CEOs biopic so
01:18:56
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yeah he's got like a nice home I thought
01:18:58
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I see my thought is that maybe he's
01:19:00
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doing like some kind of method actor
01:19:02
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right now if he wants to be Steve John
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screens gotta be him all the time is
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good and that maybe he's not in costume
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he's that's just what he's wearing in
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his daily life now to to stay in that
01:19:16
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Steve Jobs mindset and then he shows
01:19:19
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firing a person every day right like
01:19:21
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he shows up and then to get the costume
01:19:23
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he's playing Steve Jobs circle like 1982
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and he's putting on like a plaid shirt
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and and somebody's Jordache jeans or
01:19:30
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whatever the hell jobs where back then
01:19:32
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and that he's just doing this and and
01:19:34
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amy was like ugh I mean you really i
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mean yeah i actually quicker method
01:19:38
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actor he's like the next Bob dinner on
01:19:40
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like I'm not saying it's good acting
01:19:41
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advice i'm saying it seems to me like
01:19:43
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the sort of crazy idea ashton kutcher
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would get his hair about how he needs to
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be right i'm not saying that this is how
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good actor needs to do it
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yeah you know i don't i don't think he
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read it read it in a book somewhere
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right i don't and an in-flight magazine
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I don't think Robert Downey jr. had to
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you know where the Iron Man suit out to
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get coffee just to get in the donuts you
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order to get diets that they're like
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just roll just roll with it roll roll
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this is great I yeah I I just have a
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hard time getting worked up over it and
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i hope the whole thing seems kind of
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dumb about the this is a good one
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Glenn Britt CEO of time warner cable and
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I'm not sure I know what airplay is so
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utterly unsurprising no not submit see
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so clearly telling like it would be one
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thing if the CEO of Time Warner Cable
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blew off airplay if it was asked about
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it in public and just said you know I
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just don't really think it's that
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relevant to I don't think it's relevant
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or something like that but to be genuine
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seemingly genuinely confused and say you
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don't know what it is you know and I
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don't think that again i don't think
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this is the sort of thing that that you
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and I in and guys on our racket kinda
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have to get our heads around is covering
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Apple the industry Goliath as opposed to
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apple the upstart right and I don't
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think again I don't think it's being a
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apple fanboy to say hey airplay is an
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important technology I think that it's
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hey if your business is showing people
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TV shows and video you've got me how can
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not be worried about what a best buy it
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seems like that's just a problem with
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that kind of that kind of executives in
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that industry
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I'm i wouldn't be surprised if none of
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them know what I'm right there they're
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much more focused on making deals with
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partners then they are you know on
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technology but if I'm if I'm the CEO of
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Time Warner Cable I would be terrified
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of apple i would be so power or paranoid
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at least maybe terrified the wrong word
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but i would be paranoid about apple and
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I would look at anything Apple did that
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was even vaguely related to TV movies
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and video and I would study that with a
01:22:18
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fine-tooth comb because their apple
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there the hundred billion dollar-a-year
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the Wyeth well that would be the smart
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thing to do hey I think we're we're
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already beyond that now but and I do I
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just think it's one of those ways that
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Apple is it because they were dormant
01:22:37
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for so long that people underestimate
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them like i don't think that that if you
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know to go back 10 years to when
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Microsoft was the you know began to
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circle back to the Department of Justice
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area that late nineties microsoft I
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think that CEO of Time Warner knew
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exactly what Microsoft's like set-top TV
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plans were at the time may not have been
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worried about him but I think he was
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aware of them because they were
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dangerous right i guess i guess i don't
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know Nina I mean I don't you know I was
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then I really don't know I mean I have
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no recollection of reading anything
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about it at the time and no i haven't
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followed that industry that closely like
01:23:23
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that but it just seems like these guys
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don't operate that way it's their heads
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are so far up their asses
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it's ridiculous right so like a mg
01:23:35
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Siegler has been banging a drum on this
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thing forever with HBO shows not being
01:23:40
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yeah to buy right and just was somebody
01:23:46
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did a study last week we figured out
01:23:48
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game of thrones is like the most pirated
01:23:51
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TV show ever and it's like do not see
01:23:56
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the connection between the fact that you
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can't buy the episodes until like a year
01:24:02
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and a half after they're done airing
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then they'll come out with him on like
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then they'll put him on apple TV and put
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out the DVD F and the fact that it's the
01:24:09
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most pirated show right on television
01:24:12
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and they're in their response is
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basically the beatings will be taking a
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little around for exactly you know we're
01:24:18
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getting now you're going to need to buy
01:24:20
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you ticket i mean in order i forget what
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this is but you know like you need to
01:24:25
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have a cable subscription in order to
01:24:27
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get her conscious yes and online this is
01:24:30
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the thing that ties in with airplay and
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i find it very frustrating for me and
01:24:33
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particular with Game of Thrones so i
01:24:35
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didn't watch Game of Thrones last year
01:24:36
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my new policy on TV shows and it has
01:24:38
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served me very well is I don't want any
01:24:41
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new shows and I wait until season one is
01:24:44
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over and if people are still saying good
01:24:46
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things about it then maybe I'll buy the
01:24:49
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whole thing and I'll watch the pilot and
01:24:52
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if it's good then I'll buy the whole
01:24:53
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series and watch them again a binge like
01:24:55
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seven nights and yeah I and I did that
01:24:58
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with Game of Thrones and I enjoyed it
01:24:59
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very much unsurprisingly as a geek I you
01:25:02
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know thought it was terrific fun and
01:25:04
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very well done and and sort of you know
01:25:07
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like a nice that I let's take this sort
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of vaguely dungeons and dragon milieu
01:25:14
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and end right up the production values
01:25:17
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and sort of take it in a realistic
01:25:18
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quote-unquote and you and you famously
01:25:22
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did not like the Lord does not like the
01:25:24
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lord of the rings yeah and that is very
01:25:26
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famous so that's interesting i have not
01:25:29
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see I'm not seeing it and I have plans
01:25:31
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to see it and I'm looking forward to
01:25:34
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watching it the game of Thrones Game of
01:25:36
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Thrones because I i want to get into it
01:25:39
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and I all but at the same time I also
01:25:41
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know that season two is still area that
01:25:44
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was a trip and I'm really think that
01:25:48
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what's gonna happen is I'm gonna watch
01:25:49
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these one and then I'm gonna want season
01:25:50
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to immediately and I won't be able to
01:25:51
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get it for you know 48 months or
01:25:54
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whatever HBO signs so I've been away i'm
01:25:58
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kind of like I know I want to watch it
01:26:00
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but I'm holding on for a little longer
01:26:02
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to try and shorten that time frame
01:26:04
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because of this stuff because they want
01:26:10
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well I just the thing we could put it up
01:26:11
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on on itunes that the insane frustration
01:26:13
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for me is that they have this HBO Go app
01:26:16
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which is actually pretty well done and
01:26:18
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it's a real paint to set up at first
01:26:22
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because it's not you they don't just
01:26:23
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want your money you can't just stay here
01:26:24
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let me pay you twenty dollars a month
01:26:26
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and watch all of your stuff you have to
01:26:28
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have like you said you have to have a
01:26:30
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cable subscription that has HBO right we
01:26:34
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do so you sign in i sign in with my
01:26:37
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comcast ID and a comcast password and
01:26:41
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HBO verifies it they've you know they've
01:26:43
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I guess it's one of the benefits of the
01:26:46
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fact that there's only a handful of
01:26:47
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giant cable companies now but you know
01:26:51
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comcast clearly a big one so I all of
01:26:55
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correction i'm sorry xfinity right
01:26:57
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that's what the comcast is the company
01:26:59
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and xfinity is that the cable service
01:27:01
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because everybody started associating
01:27:04
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comcast with crap but anyway but i have
01:27:07
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it be smart smart move there
01:27:09
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I have it will let you know that's the
01:27:11
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bed again the benefits of changing name
01:27:13
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but right exactly i have it and it works
01:27:16
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and so I can watch season two game of
01:27:18
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thrones on my ipad or iphone but I don't
01:27:21
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want to watch them on my ipad or iphone
01:27:22
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i have a big giant hundred sixty eight
01:27:24
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inch TV in my living room that I want to
01:27:26
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watch it on and it doesn't support
01:27:28
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airplay and it doesn't support the
01:27:30
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whatever the dingus you connect to the
01:27:34
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bottom you know the video out thing the
01:27:36
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thing you put you connected in the
01:27:37
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30-pin dock and then put an hdmi to your
01:27:40
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TV so you can hear it doesn't support
01:27:42
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that like it gives you this because i
01:27:46
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thought i was being clever and I thought
01:27:47
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that I thought that worked with anything
01:27:49
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I thought you could always mirror your
01:27:51
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iPad or iPhone onto the TV with that
01:27:53
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►
thing but you connect it when you fire
01:27:55
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up the HP HBO Go app and the system
01:27:58
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gives you this error that's sort of like
01:27:59
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the jackasses who run the company behind
01:28:02
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half you've given won't allow their
01:28:05
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content to go out over the hdmi cables
01:28:08
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that is connected to this iphone i know
01:28:11
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you can't believe this
01:28:13
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and I know that they've done all this
01:28:15
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stuff and verified that you've got a
01:28:18
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cable subscription that are already
01:28:19
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paying them and there's really no
01:28:22
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possible argument that could be made
01:28:24
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that preventing this from being played
01:28:25
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on the TV makes any sense whatsoever but
01:28:28
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you've got to believe us
01:28:30
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cancel or ok right
01:28:33
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do you have a gmail right yes but so
01:28:37
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what are you recorded on the tivo well
01:28:39
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one problem is that i started get i did
01:28:43
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the whole season one game of throne
01:28:45
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things after season to start so i
01:28:47
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mislike the first episode or something
01:28:48
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anyway any other problem okay so the
01:28:50
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other problem so you're so HBO Go shows
01:28:53
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►
you older stuff
01:28:54
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yes well no but you can also i no no no
01:29:00
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no HBO Go has all of the game of thrones
01:29:03
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like you can see it yeah that's that's
01:29:04
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what I mean it will show you but my tivo
01:29:06
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recording it from HBO can't go back in
01:29:09
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time to get right episode one of season
01:29:10
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that's that's once and the other problem
01:29:12
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that that we have is that we have a dual
01:29:17
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cablecard tivo yeah and one of the cable
01:29:22
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cards works perfectly and the second one
01:29:25
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►
works for anything except the HBO and it
01:29:30
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►
just gives you a black screen and you
01:29:31
◼
►
can tell the tivo hey that cable car
01:29:33
◼
►
doesn't get it so if fifty percent of
01:29:35
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the time we try to record something on
01:29:37
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it's it's just black and everybody
01:29:41
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thinks well why don't you just call
01:29:43
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comcast and have this fixed and the
01:29:44
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►
reason is that we had guys out here like
01:29:49
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four times to get these they don't want
01:29:51
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to give you cablecard that's the thing
01:29:53
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and so when they send you it's super
01:29:55
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passive-aggressive and they send like
01:29:56
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their worst text and the guy never
01:29:58
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showed up with more than two cable cards
01:30:00
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and usually it would be like one didn't
01:30:05
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work at all and then he would say well
01:30:07
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you know what you want to do and i would
01:30:09
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say well that one doesn't work at all i
01:30:12
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would like to have to that work which is
01:30:15
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what I'm paying for anybody all right
01:30:16
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well would what they are going to be
01:30:17
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here schedule another guy to come out
01:30:19
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and then another guy would come out with
01:30:21
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two cable cards and would take the other
01:30:23
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and i would say what can you just leave
01:30:25
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that one that seems to be working in and
01:30:27
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just replace the other one he said no no
01:30:29
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it's already been canceled because well
01:30:30
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►
soon as i showed up and I hit this
01:30:32
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button your old cable cards were di
01:30:34
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they're like sim card sort of my old sim
01:30:37
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card you know the old these old cable
01:30:38
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cars deactivated and you have to use
01:30:40
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these two and then one only got you know
01:30:42
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these channels and one didn't get the
01:30:44
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and that fourth time the guy had showed
01:30:46
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up again and i said i would say like
01:30:48
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four the fourth point can you tell the
01:30:50
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guy to bring more than two and they'd be
01:30:52
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like oh yeah I put a note in the thing
01:30:54
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bring a bunch of me and I shows up he's
01:30:56
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got to only 21 worked perfectly the
01:30:59
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other one worked with everything except
01:31:01
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HBO and Amy and I looked at each other
01:31:03
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like could you get out of here go go
01:31:05
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that's why I don't have game of thrones
01:31:10
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but i have it on like HBO Go app and I
01:31:12
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can't hear play it to my TV even though
01:31:15
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it's right here and in the tvs right
01:31:16
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there at the time was a when coding that
01:31:21
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app they can choose to make the appt not
01:31:23
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airplane yep and they can also choose to
01:31:26
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make it not hdmi out enabled right which
01:31:32
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you know and I presume that if Apple
01:31:35
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hadn't made those things available that
01:31:38
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there would not be an H that they would
01:31:40
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rather not even have any would never
01:31:41
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have done it the first price because
01:31:44
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they don't want people right but i
01:31:45
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honestly can't see what they're what the
01:31:48
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►
argument is I like whoever it is who has
01:31:50
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that like yes or no I mean you are
01:31:53
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►
you're already paying for it on your and
01:31:55
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►
they verify it and they that it is i
01:31:58
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don't see write it I just feel like it
01:32:04
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would be like if I could find the guy at
01:32:05
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►
hbl who has the authority the guy who
01:32:08
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could say all right let's turn airplay
01:32:10
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►
on in next release
01:32:11
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I can make this happen if i say if I've
01:32:13
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signed my name on this line right here i
01:32:16
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would love to have an argument with that
01:32:17
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►
guy and see what he you know I I feel
01:32:21
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though that if they had the argument
01:32:22
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with him that his explanation he would
01:32:24
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use like biz dev terms that was your
01:32:28
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that would give me like like a headache
01:32:30
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like I wouldn't i would come out of it
01:32:32
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and not actually understand what he said
01:32:34
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like I would come out like I just
01:32:37
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the conversation in German which I don't
01:32:40
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speak it's just unbelievable
01:32:47
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I mean we don't we don't have cable
01:32:49
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anymore we got rid of it just I just
01:32:53
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said I was gonna buy everything off of
01:32:55
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►
itunes from now on I mean because I
01:32:56
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there's so much about broadcast
01:32:59
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►
television that makes me angry and and
01:33:02
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particularly about the cable companies
01:33:03
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►
that makes me angry that house that
01:33:04
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we're into coma though we have the nice
01:33:08
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thing is that we have actually have
01:33:09
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cable competition because the city has
01:33:11
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their own cable network so you can get
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cable TV through comcast or through the
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city of tacoma which is kind of nice
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because i feel like when i compare what
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we paid to what my parents are paying
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Connecticut it's just funny how that
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that's absurd whatever yeah strangers in
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there that's the thing is the the hell
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of living in Philadelphia is that our
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city offers cable to call it was already
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called comcast oh yeah I walked right
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into it because we are of course cable
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yeah how's that working out for you
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though I think giving the company the
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carpet no they're not having to not
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having cable without having or not
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having uh I pretty good we're obviously
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not watching as much baseball's we used
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to watch yeah and I can I could get that
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I could get them usually maybe then you
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wouldn't it wasn't here to let your
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teams you have a local seattle team
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right here certain that's right part of
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the problem so and then you know even if
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I could watch them be watching watching
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them lose so that's part of why i'm not
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watching too much television much
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baseball anymore either
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but yeah I mean I just we have worked
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out the math and i did just made before
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the amount of television that we were
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watching the amount of shows that we're
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watching it made more sense to buy them
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off of itunes then two then to pay 55
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bucks a month or whatever look and
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that's just to start
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I mean everybody i forget what yeah we
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were getting right we weren't getting
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any premium I mean many premium channels
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we've got HBO but we don't have that
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then there's I don't know it's it's it's
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like trying to buy a car and there's
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seven different types of leather you can
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get for the sea I mean it's so
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complicated but we don't even have
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nearly the top tier of cable but we paid
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we do have HBO but we pay return item
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five hundred dollars a month or
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something ridiculous really stink that's
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yeah came with a hat you get you
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you can also not watch your shows by
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airplane right as part of the package
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xfinity yeah terrible name
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no it's not no it's not a good that a
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good name but I mean at the same time it
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probably was a good good idea on their
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part to name it something comcast night
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online cable town they should have gone
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with cable town they should just embrace
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yes that's the name like the we're
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talking about ECAM the other day
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yeah that sounds good company
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nice guys name that sounds like it's
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from a different era that's what we were
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talking about how we got back on their
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the mac connection kick right ECAM
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sounds sort of like one of those em back
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at the catalog back of the maggots back
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of the magazine we sell everything and
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anything electronics sort of like radio
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shack without the class they never they
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never went full into that Reaper
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rebranding they were going to do
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Shaq Shaq yeah they did I forgot about
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that a little I think you like everyone
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will get a flier and it will say
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somewhere on the shack or something like
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that and you know that they those fliers
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that get stuck in the middle newspaper
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or the just dumped in the mail but I
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thought they were going to really like
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to the signs down and called the shack
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nope it's a darn shame all right I say
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we call the show
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alright alright thanks John John
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multiforme have a very nice website