00:00:00 ◼ ► sorry for the fish so long and thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► for all them i'm not i'm not really i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► that's a reference drum I actually I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► have not gotten a lot of headphone time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► since their new year's show and I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► actually haven't even heard the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/11">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► the whole new year's run yet once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/13">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► see the hotdog flying around the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► no spoilers that was a great year though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/17">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► I should have said the hotdog bouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► yeah I know my belt was too far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► also was a terrible reference a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► people wrote in via Twitter and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/29">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► email telling you you really should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► tried airdrop when you were at i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► was tips Paris and you were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► send files around now i will be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► first to tell you i have a comically bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► memory a woefully bad memory but I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► swear you said during the show that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► had done one of these transfers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► airdrop is that not the case for did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/53">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► I i did these transfer fired however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► there's a couple of limitations there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/58">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► drop number one the ipad has to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/60">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► in the first instance my father-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► two-handed me just the card reader with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/65">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► an SD card in it so that was probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/68">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► number one selling the ipad was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► normally i am a big airdrop user i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► airdrop probably at least two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► either from my phone to my mac or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► 24 between me and tiff like if one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► was really cute video or photo and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/84">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► you wanted to be like in in are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► in any other person's photo library will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► they it usually does work very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/91">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► people who have airdrop troubles who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► never works for at my biggest advice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► you is to switch it over to everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/97">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► I know it sounds crazy in reality at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► the risk from having an on everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► receive mode seems fairly non-existent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/106">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► unless you're like in a subway car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/110">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► packed full every day and maybe people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► might try to just do weird things to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► but you know i have never once had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► an unsolicited airdrop incoming thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► I've had my headset to everyone for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► so anyway when it's set to everyone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► works very reliably when it's set to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► contact only it almost never works even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/128">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► are using to match your contacts I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► it doesn't work for me but and from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► I've heard about the people it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/138">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► like it doesn't usually work for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► either but the everyone mode is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► reliable for me and works all the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/143">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► use all the time and it's great i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/145">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► oh yeah it doesn't even know even with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► the mecard you know like the one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► marked as like you which i assume is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/153">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► same on my phone and on my mac nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► yeah but if you tell everyone it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/159">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► great and what what a lot of mine are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/161">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► implementation of it like therefore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► know a while back they were certain max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► and things that couldn't do it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/169">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► certain old models and people thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► that was kind of BSE but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/172">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► actually the reason for that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► whatever drug does it uses either a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/175">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► second radio or just like a second mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/177">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► of the Wi-Fi radio to basically create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/179">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► directly between the two devices so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/185">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► so even if the two devices that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► sharing aren't even on Wi-Fi or one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► them's on a Wi-Fi network and other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/193">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► isn't there are different Wi-Fi networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/194">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► airdrop still works and that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► cool and it just it saves a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► hassle so big fan of airdrop here keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► it on everyone mode if you want to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► it doesn't so if you see Marco WABC now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► you all know what to do his phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► totally open you can send him anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/210">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► but still prompts you to accept things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► anyway so like there is a risk like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/213">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► will show you a preview of the picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► so if somebody wanted to like sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/217">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► like a vulgar picture they you would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► the preview of it before kept saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► tonight so that I think would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/222">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► risk but if it's so far that have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► happen to me i know i'm i'm inviting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/226">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► horrible things but that just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► happen in my everyday life so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► during a BC we got put on contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► so I actually have a fun anecdote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► this this was a god maybe that though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► this is maybe a year ago and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► think I ever told the story on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► we were I believe returning home from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► your house Marco I'm not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► percent sure but we're certainly up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► the new york state of mind if you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► and we were in the Jersey Turnpike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► noticing i just i still know that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► i just wanted to drop some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► to lose ground easy it really is and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► are our way back to home and we stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► at the Jersey Turnpike and we stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► one of those like you know rest stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/272">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► that's on the turnpike and we went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/275">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► got a Roy Rogers burger maybe his burger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► king whatever it was and then we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► sitting there and sarah and Declan me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/281">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► and I meeting in somebody comes walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/282">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► up and I see this out of my periphery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/285">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and I'm and it looks like this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► intent on talking to me which is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/289">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► but surprising because nobody knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/290">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► where I am right now and it was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► nice person I i don't recall his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► and I apologize if this very nice person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► is listening I'm but they were very kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► and very nice and said oh my gosh I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► wanted to know are you Casey I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► wanted to introduce myself block and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► know i have to tell you a funny story I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/308">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► didn't I i walked in and i was curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► if the place had any Wi-Fi and as i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/313">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► somebody broadcasting their iphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/319">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► Wi-Fi and it said casey Lissa's iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/322">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► maybe he's here I should have a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► look what happened was I was using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/330">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► iPad in the car and I personal data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► tethering or personal hotspot whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/336">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► it's called on and I just never bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► turning it off and so this this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/339">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► enterprising young man decided what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/340">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► happened to see my my iphone in the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► and then looked around happened to spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/345">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► us and came up and said hi and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► very very nice and very kind and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/350">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► very funny but the goodness did it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► take me by surprise that somebody had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► like from across the room figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► that i was there and came over with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► intention to say hi it was startling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► the most flattering way possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► quite funny so that's the be aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► your personal personal hotspot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/367">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► airdrop I don't know aware of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► tendencies because it could catch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► well that was in trouble for me that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/375">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► read rename your phone to a VZW wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► 1567 it's gonna shame that that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► can't edit the Wi-Fi network name like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► the only thing you could do is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► rename your your device and then it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► it will take on that I guess that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► because wouldn't it be amazing if like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/391">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► our thing was to get thousands of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► name two cases iphone and like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/397">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► that'd be awesome about it but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/403">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► you you can't do it on the phone without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► changing your phone's name to kc Lissa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► iphone yeah so be aware of your why your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► air drop in personal hotspot hygiene we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/412">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► respond to this week by a new sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► its hello fresh for thirty-five dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/417">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► off your first week of deliveries visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► hellofresh com enter code ATP when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► whether you're a busy professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/425">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► couple or a large family that runs at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► breakneck pace or somebody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► start cooking more hellofresh makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► easier tastier and healthier than ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► to enjoy the experience of cooking new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► recipes and eating together at home from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► creating recipes and plan the meals to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► grocery shopping and even delivering all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► hello fresh delivered right to your door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/444">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► so you can skip the trip they currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/445">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► offer customers a classic box or veggie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► box and will soon be launching a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► box customers in order three four or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/452">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► five different meals per week designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► for either two or four people and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► hello fresh is the milk delivery service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► that was cooking fun easy and convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/463">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► minutes for everyone from novices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/469">TS</a>]
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00:07:53 ◼ ► they source the freshest ingredients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/473">TS</a>]
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00:07:57 ◼ ► so there's no waste and hellofresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/477">TS</a>]
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00:08:21 ◼ ► hellofresh com enter code ATP when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► subscribe thank you very much too hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/503">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► so we got a series of tweets from adam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► Russell and I thought these are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► interesting and i'll just read them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► one contiguous block the answer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► mac product progress quandary from jon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► is simple the mac is obviously not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► future but you are all legitimate Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► frustrated because the mac is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/526">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► functionally deprecated faster than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/528">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► iphone and ipad are being empowered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/530">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► continuing to argue beyond that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/531">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► now is pointless we just need to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/534">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► I thought that was a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/539">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► summary and in by and large I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► that I I don't know if the mac is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► or not we don't need to across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/544">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► spreadsheet 95th time at least not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/545">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► anyway but I i do agree that while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► incredible strides are being made on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► iphone and ipad in iOS in general i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► guess i should say it seems like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► there's more going missing from mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► or just feels that way maybe that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/564">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► you know maybe if we looked at the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► featureless maybe we were crazy but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► certainly feels that way and so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► thought this was a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► I mean what they just I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► get too far in the weeds on this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/578">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► we you know we could talk forever about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/580">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► this because we have and usually do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► i do i've had for a future episode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/584">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► we should do after we've had a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/585">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► more time to think about it is like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► big things are still possible to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► left to do on the desktop that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► what-what big challenges aren't being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► solved that like you know major major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► new directions or advancements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/599">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► desktop OS is still could use and spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► in particular mac OS still could use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/603">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► like there's some low-hanging fruit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/606">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► like obviously like the one of them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/607">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► mentioned before was cellular max and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/608">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► the reason why there's no cellular max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► is probably because of the you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► all the different software needs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/615">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► would need for that right now you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► use things like trip mode Dutch to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► sorry trip MoDOT helvetica but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► there was os-level awareness of cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/625">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► connections which by actually there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► but if more things actually used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/630">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► hitting in it with it with the switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► nsurl session that actually was added in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/633">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► the API but nothing uses it at least any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► excuse me on Mac OS X are Stephen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and so like they're like they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► yeah you know what cellular max would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► awesome but why why don't we have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► oh well take a lot of work in the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► there's a lot of answers like that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► the where the question is like why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/654">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► we have that all it would take to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/655">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► on the u.s. wire mac app so much harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► to develop for iOS programmers and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► well some of those reasons are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/661">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► reasons that will see the forever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/662">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► part of it is that application UI kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/663">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► are very different and in a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/665">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► that that is that they will need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/668">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► some ways they need to be different but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/670">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► a lot of ways they don't and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► for like legacy reasons and and select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► there's their major advancement could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/675">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► made in the frameworks we could talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► about things like the security model i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► have of you know like what they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/681">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► do the sandboxing which has mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► failed you mostly I think because not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/684">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► enough apps could fit within what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/689">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► sandbox requirements were and they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► really added new sandbox capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► maintenance and adoration I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► model actually could work i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► assumption that like desktop os's are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► you know quote the past or finished and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/703">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► are you know functionally complete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/706">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► there's no more advancement we had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/708">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► think that's totally wrong and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► look at Microsoft just to see like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► though Microsoft messes up a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► things they try a lot of things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► tried don't work out but a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► they try are actually you could see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/719">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► wow you know what if Apple tried to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/721">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► something similar and did a better job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► of it that could be really great and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► I it not to mention not even getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/728">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► into things like AR and VR which might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► be really useful in a general-purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► so there are lots of areas where PCOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► development could go with effort so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/741">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► say that the mac OS is done or finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/744">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► or pcs are solved problem we can move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/747">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► is I think incredibly short-sighted i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► was looking at these tweets and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/753">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► I disagree with every single sentence in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/755">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► it really matter that there is a three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► weeks it mostly in like technical ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► like if you want to get picky the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/761">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► you you know but yeah I really talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► everything I just start with the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► first lessons I want to go through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► but you know the answer to the the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► progress quandary you know it's simple i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► don't first let me know what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/774">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► talk about second of all the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/775">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► never simple right and like the lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► skipping over all the stuff the lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► continuing to argue beyond read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/781">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► beyond that right now is pointless mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/782">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► obviously i disagree with that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/784">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► probably won't talk about it for hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/786">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► and hours every week so anyway I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► I've got all these these points but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► guess that we iive guess I agree that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/791">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► are legitimately frustrated that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/794">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► alright any other follow-up before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► talk about something that's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► I'm follow up on the macbook pro the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/807">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► the port still drive me nuts but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► airport sir me nuts and and the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/815">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► arrow key lack of gaps drive me nuts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► so far everything else about actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► enjoying I've been running some tests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► and I'm I've been finding this might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► going to blog post some point I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/828">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► know but I'm running on battery test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► because consumer reports i figure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► their waiter test council you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/834">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► I can make my own and and so I made my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/835">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► own kind of similar one but it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/838">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► involves a little bit heavier workload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► things like like like periodic xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/840">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► compilations to you know periodically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/844">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► pegged the cpu is for a few seconds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► then go back to normal and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► simulate what I do and what I'm finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► so far is that the new ones battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► is really mediocre but so was the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► one like I wrote this post a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/859">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► years ago about disabling turbo boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► and and the the effect that has on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► battery life on the previous generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► macbook pro it had a pretty noticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/868">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► effect added something like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/872">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► percent battery life roughly and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/873">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► finding with the new one is by disabled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/877">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► interest it does work you can do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► the savings are much smaller that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/883">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► is some serious we have but instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/884">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► minutes or a half hour or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/888">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► and of course is about this depend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/890">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► what you do but this one finding is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► the new ones battery life while it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► suck i don't think it's actually worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/898">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► than the previous one I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► very slightly better under load but very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/903">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► slightly worse when used lightly so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► depends on what you're doing but for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/909">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► uses that the battery from the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► is actually very slightly better if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► really baby it if you turn off turbo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► boost if you turn off the GPU uses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► various things like you can get it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► so anyway i'm kinda I'm kind of enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► the the new macbook pro and it does feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► awesome like when you have to move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► around and pick it up and stuff it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/930">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► noticeably better so kind of enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► that in the more you use it the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/933">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► like it and the more I realize like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/934">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► intel really screwed them on on progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► here but this is not that bad and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► in some ways in many ways and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► even most ways it's better than the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► one still coming around on the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► i still hate the key switches but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/950">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► but it but I still feel when i use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► old one that it's mushy and horrible so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► it's again it's like I'm like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/958">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► then I'm in the middle now like I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/960">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► think it's more of an issue of the of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► the the reduced gaps between the keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► necessarily the key travel and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► tried it briefly in the store and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/972">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► I can't emphasize enough was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/975">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► percent of my freaking beloved magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► keyboard I I sure have talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► 18 times on the show but I'll say it one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► more time i love the magic keyboard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► my favorite keyboard have ever used ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► maybe you are that's fine it's not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► I love the match keyboard and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► like the the new macbook pro keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► got me really close but I wanted just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► little bit more travel on the keys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► then it would have been like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► perfect so I i I'm a little surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► you say that that the key travel doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► it's not good but it is no longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► thing about the keyboard that bothers me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► like the the change in layout you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► eat certain things are just things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► yeah but certain things are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► just like worse over time and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► one of the things that really negatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► affects me about this keyboard that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► thing is just the lack of of like dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► space around the keys to feel as I as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► i'm figuring out by using it turns out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► did that a lot like feel around the dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► space around the keys to kind of orient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► myself physically without looking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► especially around the arrow keys so to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► not have to have now the like shrunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► down little little tiny margin between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► the keys now the keys are now much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► bigger flattered and the end because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► actually less less noticeable by feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► and everything else too so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► hardware keyboard to type on blindly for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► me like i have to lie I make a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► mistakes but even even now that i'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► more custom to the feel of it i'm making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► a lot more mistakes with that involve my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► hands not being oriented correctly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► the keys where I thought they were so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► that part i still don't love I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► think this is a bad keyboard but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► only because the bar is pretty high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► because for a long time Apple has made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► laptop keyboards that I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► describe them as great because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► still had laptops in Turkey switches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► which are always a compromise right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► overall apples laptop keyboards i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► never get I haven't given them any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► thought whatsoever ever until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► macbook one came out and now now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► keyboards on there are close enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► that keyboard is on all the new ones all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► previous Apple laptops have had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► generation since the powerbook g3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► aluminum sorry for aluminum sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► Stephen again even having a problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► I bet with me but anyway yes since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► keyboard since then I've had no problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► with and I've enjoyed using it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► great and fine and this is this this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► the very first time where they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► like a to me a very controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► keyboard and so anyway all that is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► say overall like it the new giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► trackpad I really do love i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► since the beginning i have not had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► issues that people have had with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► the accidental input with your wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► resting on it otherwise yeah overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► good computer the SSD speed increases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► very very nice the GPU speed increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► might be affecting me I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► probably not but anyway overall good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► computer i wish the battery last longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► actually is no worse than the last one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► did you say you love the trackpad yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► do well since I so I love the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► largeness of it I do not love for stocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► I Air Force click whatever the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► the calling that feature on yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► clicking like clicking in general we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► talking about you're not talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► force like when you press really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► like you know what you are what you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► by clicking because your complaint has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► been like I don't like the the trackpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► that don't actually move in you got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► skip and done two shows you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1196">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► reading about this is this entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1198">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► because you're in tap to click was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► school with Harry yes if I actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► to invoke a real like a real like normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► click by pushing you know forcefully or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► by pushing someone hard and trackpad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► hate those clicks they're terrible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► the fact that everyone thinks they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► just as good or ok baffles me I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► idea why anybody would think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► good click but I switched at a Catholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► any other follow it but i guess the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► keep the relevant if you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1223">TS</a>]
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00:20:41 ◼ ► so ridiculously powerful yet also so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► incredibly easy to use and it scales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► well from novices who don't want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► a time into it or you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1249">TS</a>]
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00:20:54 ◼ ► customizations all the way up to nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► like me who can code if we want to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► either you but usually don't don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1260">TS</a>]
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00:21:26 ◼ ► they support your site for you if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► making aside for somebody else you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1288">TS</a>]
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00:22:23 ◼ ► debug area and said hey guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► uh we are going to turn off the cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► which ok i guess that kind of makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► sense because you want to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► it's not just cruising along and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► just regurgitating the same stuff it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► okay fine but nevertheless it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► not a completely fair test and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► spoke with apple and apples like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► you guys probably should have done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► most users won't have done that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► some developers do i can't say that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► usually do but also on top of that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► was some sort of issue that I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► was related to favicon fav icon whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► they're called but I don't know if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► was ever confirmed or not and so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► was a legitimate bug here in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► them just meddling about so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► think they're really meddling because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► the whole point of battery test is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► simulate real user activity that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► should put a link in the show notes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► Jason Stiles article he went over all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► the stuff and having done some battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► testing myself I can relate to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► you can't actually human beings do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► testing because it to variable but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► try to simulate human activity is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► actually very difficult these humans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► inscrutable but you needed to be exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► the same every single time and you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► want to be comfortable from year to year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► model to model and what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► with the caches I mean it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► argued that they should get thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► upon thousands of unique web sites that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► need to load but then you have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► about the variability of those websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► being up and then changing and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► probably a small set of URLs a cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► through and they wanted to load from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► network each time they don't want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► be a test of how well it can read from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► the cash right so they want to exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► the Wi-Fi and all the other things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► approximation of what an actual person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► might do with the computer and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► probably not particularly scientific in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► terms of like we let it but you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► hundred users using a computer and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► metrics on every single input and output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► and said how many bytes over Wi-Fi on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► what intervals with what burst and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► seems like they don't do that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► try to find artificial workload that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► exactly matches it maybe Apple does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► but Consumer Reports doesn't like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► all kind of guesswork but in the end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► doesn't really matter because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► like Marco said in his thing like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► numbers they give you for like X amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► of hours that only applies to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► tests and even if it was done by a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► you're not that human you might do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► different things with your computer all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► you're looking for is is it better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► worse than the last laptop is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► know you're looking four big swings like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► we have it a light web browsing test and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► like an intensive test and what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► difference between them and is the light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► test like two hours less time than last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► year or more time with you know it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► to do so i'm disabling the cash to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► we really want to test fetching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► information over the network every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► single time so don't even bother looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► your disk cache I think it's a perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► valid thing to do and furthermore that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► wouldn't explain their widely variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► results written like from 19 hours to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► disable the cash that except as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► story goes that disabling the cash also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► triggered some other weird sorry bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► explanation for but anyway I Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► identify this bug they're going to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► the bug report says I think they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► beta build that fixes the bug and lo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► behold they get same testing results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► marco was cranky about this he wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► blog post saying how the real story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► that this was an apple bug but apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► press release about it tries to deflect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► blame insights it Consumer Reports doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► a weird thing and Consumer Reports was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► only doing a weird thing and so far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► artificial battery testing is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1558">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► thing I think everything is very force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► was doing was reasonable what pretty if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► you want to yell consumer reports about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► something would be like it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► like you are not privy to some secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► information and no other person was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► laptop has figured out like everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► else is getting anywhere from 19 23 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► hours but they're not say anything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► you can some reports that I've revealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► this amazing secret so go ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► publish your story and say we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► recommend these laptops because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► getting crazy results out of the out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► our battery test that's a sign consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► reports it's not time for you to publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► yet it's not you to figure out what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► hell's going on because if the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► world was getting three hours to 19 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► hours you would have heard about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► that's why would you consider reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► about but instead Apple was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► they're using a special developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► setting the most people don't use is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► reflective a real-world use well no crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► is not reflected real reviews they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► to make an artificial benchmarked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► it's probably the same thing they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► been doing to mac laptops for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► anyway I'm going to work that out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► apple market in like their tone i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► generally didn't like the the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► consumer reports doing something wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► with their testing but I also didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► like the idea of consumer board decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► to go ahead and publish before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► actually figured out what the hell was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► going on even though they were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► close to figuring out like they waited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► an extra week anyway there's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► blame to go around here but the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► line is that the laptop's battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► is pretty much what everyone has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► saying about it which is not fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► better than the previous ones worse in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► some situations potentially better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► others if you learn how to do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► magic things and marcos doing to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► certainly not all you're going to three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► hours now whereas be or possibly 19 it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► not that variable that that was a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► well but again like i have seen the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► in in light usage so far from what i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► tell it actually is a step back for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► lot of depend on what your usage is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► it includes what apps you're using you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► I I think Consumer Reports was right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► point out the battery life on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► laptop is weird because it is like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► that's what you see that from users from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1677">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► actual owners of it you're seeing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► yet the battery life on this life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► weird because what we're seeing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► everything is so incredibly aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► if any factor takes more power than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► should have been you think it is or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► you have anything running away in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► background or turning on the discrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► GPU or burning cpu core for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► if anything is not perfect your battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► life can be dramatically reduced like by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► on the order of hours less than what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► thought of what you usually get that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► a real problem and you know in consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► reports case it was because of seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► the Safari bug which you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► figure out like you know if it's if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► a bug that only shows up when the cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► is disabled and it seems apparently by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► some other statements related to so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► as caching of of icons and that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► lot of sense it's almost certainly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► the Apple touch icon or fabric on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► infinite loop of fetching those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► because I think that doesn't have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► because they aren't in the cache music a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► disabled so it's like it's probably that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► you can you can any web programmer can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► figure out okay that's probably what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► bug or the bug is probably in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► why would like I don't think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► consumers particularly revealing is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► you're talking about the variability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► between you know idle and regular power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► because as far as i understand from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► reading the consumer reports thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► were running the same battery test and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► from one execution of that same test to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► the next getting one time they get three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► and a half hours one time they get 19 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► the same test not people like users like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► one day using Xcode the other day you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► browsing the web of course your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► potentially they could vary as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► you said like if you spend the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► time you know playing a game or doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► renders in a you know multi-core like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► ray tracing program like you could get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► three hours and you could get 19 just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► text editing with everything turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► right but Consumer Reports like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► running the same battery test and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► getting these widely variable results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and that I think is not eliminating in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► the way that you are describing like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► to to inform consumers that the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► that depending on your activity the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► battery life can be variable it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► like they were saying the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► broken and unpredictable but if you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► this laptop you never know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► which is not the case but that's true no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► that's actually like that's a real thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► and in this in this case like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► it would this be the first time an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► bug caused a process to go a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► no I don't know about it but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► related to a bug i mean that's true of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► any laptop you have any laptop that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► transparent about little slaughter your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► battery life I mean like maybe they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► the fans too quiet so you don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► external indication remember when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► I used to listen to your computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► tell how they were doing it here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► floppy drive going to know what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► on later you hear the hard drive going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► to be able to figure out is the thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► the loop is it frozen it sounds like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► we've got we're looking at dr lights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► blinking and stuff of that we slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► manifestations of the composite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► computer all we have left is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► left on laptops and in particular on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► Apple I'm that terrible fan noise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► now even that is tamp down or do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► feel like when your phone gets hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► likewise my phone so high i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► i'm doing again or our laptops get hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► for that really you know but anyway I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► like and it is true the performance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► variable but their battery test giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► these results in the same we just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► recommend this because we just we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► get a bead on the battery life that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► accurate statement where they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► have said is we think reveal the bug and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► then you could have spun out into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► larger story about variability between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► idol and whatever power and demonstrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► that by saying here we played some game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► for this amount of time look what it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► to the battery life in here we just tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► around text editor like i don't i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► consumer reports who used cars because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► think they don't understand what makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► good car and in general I haven't been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► fan of consumer reports reviews of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► computers because they're especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► when it comes to apple they're prone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► go to press with something that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► sensational rather than working on until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► we figure out what the hell's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► because figure out what the hell's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► you still have a story there that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1918">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► can explain but it's like going to press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► and saying we can't recommend these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► laptops that is you know from coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► from us to show that has complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► about these laptops a lot that is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► it's not as if this is a broken product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► that no one should buy like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► doesn't suit your needs or whatever them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► to say we just can't recommend this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► laptop that's that's not responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► thing to publish given the fact that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► well and to be fair though they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► did contact apple beforehand Apple even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► some kind of like you know canned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► response but it sounded like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► it's just like you know basically a non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► response from PR so they did first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► contact apple to ask about this i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► about that that's still still on them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► figure out what's going to make a to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► make the recommendation that's their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► as a publication and like to backslide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► works them some more and find out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► bugs like well I don't I has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► playing a chat room like it can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► imagine a non-tech going through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► same thing and publishing thats it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► they figure out what was going on that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► why there are more trusted source for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1978">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► how good computers are probably yes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► I have a hard time looking at this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► mean look consumer reports we we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► know that they're not perfect and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► they are prone to like click baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► however what they saw was a real problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► and it was not their problem and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► non-response so what we're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► do these days sometimes it takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► little bit of of pushing for apple from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► the outside to get things fixed i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► it's on them though to realize that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► if they haven't heard this from anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► else maybe it has something to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► the fact that they are that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► testing and under conditions that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► have to test under the testing our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► official test edition which I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► aren't bad but they have to realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► maybe what we're encountering because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► haven't heard anyone else have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► problem is because of something that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► have that we have to do is part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► uniform testing procedure right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► example the way you can figure this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► supposedly testing and give it to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► your staffers and have them take it home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► with them at night and use it as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► regular work laptop and say when you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► it like a normal person does seem okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► to you that's a non-scientific test but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► it can definitely tell you whether like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► I you yesterday and I got this battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► life and use the next day to pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► the same stuff and got like 18 of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► and if they say no or it it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► consistent user like that will like make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► an era Dawn's us maybe it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► we're disabled in cash now greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► that's that's a little bit of debugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► there to understand that maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► what are you doing to cause this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► and removing variables and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► that but if you're gonna come out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► publication say we just can't recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► that you know like they're like can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► recommend this laptop like you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► not buy this product that is going too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► far for something that you know consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► reports would agree if they guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► does not manifest normal usage in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► way they saw that if you do pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► the same thing with it that you get when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► you get that much variability in very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► life because again if that was true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► every single the publication review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► these laptops would say i do pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► the same thing and sometimes I get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► that I do other times and I can't figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► out why I i partly agree with you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► agree with some of the things you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► saying but basically I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► we're having is like whether Consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► Reports was reasonable to say what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► said when they should have done more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► more work and testing or investigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► whatever and I think I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► were perfect about it but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► given what they were seeing I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► were mostly reasonable to say what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► said at that time and now they have new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► information they said they are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► retest it and that's great because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► know it would be one thing like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► know if Apple eventually went to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► and figure this out and report said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► know our test is done sorry too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► try again in 18 months when you release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► you know that would be kind of a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► move on their part but like in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► situation they were in with the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► little information they had and with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► non response from Apple when they asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► him about it i don't think it was that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► reasonable to publish what they did when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► they did I would again I would make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► few edits but for the most part i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► it was in the ballpark now they have new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► information now they're retesting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► I end and I think you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► problem i had about this was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► basically apples PR framing weight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► their official statement it really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► who at Apple's tone is really bitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► almost recently like the statement about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► about about the dash developer Don [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► professor sorry if I mispronounced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► I their statement about that situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► was also really a little bit defensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► and weird and as more fact came out from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► from both sides i think it became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► little bit clearer like that Satan was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► little bit too aggressive and bitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► a little unnecessarily so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► something up like one Apple gives a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► defensive statement like that I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► you can use some little more editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► them when it's getting before it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► out because it's like if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► like write a nasty email like wait till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► next morning to send it like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► happens to do it all with with its a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► defensive PR statement here because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► come out with this with this very overly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► honestly slightly BSE in in certain ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► i think they kind of BS around certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► certain facts of of the of the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► whatever and it does not reflect well on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► the a trustworthy straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► company with clear communication and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► to to have these little defensive PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► statements where that's not the case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► just off putting a little bit concerning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► for a company that we respect so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► agree that they are statements bad but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► still think it's a report what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► should have published was we're not we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► can't tell what's going on because i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► the truth they did not know what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► going on and they should they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► have said is when normal people use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► we don't see this kind of variability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► but in our battery test we get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► variability we can't explain that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► they want to say therefore we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► that's a matter of semantics like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► technically because if they don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► results on their artificial test that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► their criteria recommendation that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► can't recommend it but the way was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► written up it was almost there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► conclusive there wasn't much of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► we can't figure this out something here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► is going on that we obviously don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► information was missing is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► we are not privy to special information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► the rest of the world doesn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► rest of the world is using these laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► other publications are testing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► this is the thing that only we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► seeing and that was you know if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► to read this and and that was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► source your authoritative source you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► would say well these these uh laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► obviously haunted which is not the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► it was just like that because the report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► was doing a thing that induce the bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► and the bug is a problem and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► right there can be other kinds of bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► but i don't know i just it just rubs me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► the wrong way and you're right there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► some history there with consumer reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► doing similar types of things and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► general I don't like consumer reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► for it I guess at this point the advent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► of the wire cutter I don't like it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► reports for almost anything anymore so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► maybe maybe a little bit of my general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► attitude about them is showing through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► but like I said I didn't like the PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► statement for all the reasons you noted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► like them framing is the consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► resources doing a terrible thing that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► the wrong framing when the reality was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► there was an apple bug should lead with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► we fixed it Consumer Reports retesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► that's such an easy PR with you like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► we read that statement we go to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► all right well that explains it thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► Apple we all understand the bugs exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► but instead that led with consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► reports doing a weird thing it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► that weird anyway now mad at everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► like they definitely think they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► just say you know we discovered that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► the problems they were having was due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► a bug where we fixed it and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► like that would be the the direct honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► way instead they had to drill in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► consumer reports his test was somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► invalid or relevant a hidden feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► it's a checkbox in the press one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► looks like though they're like implying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► intent and possible malice that consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► reports with you know using this hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► feature their medical reports to yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► and it's it is it's like Apple couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► give a statement without showing how mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► they were about it and and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► that's again it's becoming more common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► with their defensive statements here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► professional way to conduct yourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► in the context of of PR like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► that's what PR is not supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► like it i don't see it's it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► leaves a sour taste in my mouth is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► on the flip side of the coin know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► could make the argument to kind of take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► it was irresponsible and pyaari in a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► way for for consumer reports to to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► oh we can't recommend that the batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► crap you know it's the the direct report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► like John said should have been well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► we're not really sure what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► nobody else in the world seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► getting similar results so also either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► don't publish anything or alternatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► you know right now we're saying no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► we got to get back to it whereas it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► seems like it was from what I gather it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► was it was a little bit more aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► than that like I don't think there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► malice there but the same way Marco that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► you're reading all this like malice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► and and propaganda in the Apple response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► which I think there's treats to that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► at least it appears to be true from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► point of view you can take that exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► same approach to looking at the Consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Reports statement which was in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► also irresponsible and also premature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► and also pyaari and also just not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► consumer important maybe it's because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► standards are so low for consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► reports because like John i have lost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► lot of faith in them over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► yeah so maybe I'm grading on a curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► here but even if consumer reports did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► something outrageous i don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► makes apples tone of their response ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► like that it like Apple should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► bigger person here see agree exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► unit was was made by a few people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► think including man Reese with with both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► on professor about about dash like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► apples to apples apple and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► they're making these statements against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► this one indie developer and this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► magazine / website that is that has cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► staff to the bone in recent years and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► like barely afloat like and their apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► right they are they are like Goliath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► here like they don't I i'm sorry mrs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► Messick metaphor i know that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► how the story goes but Apple does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► the Apple can afford to be the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► person here with their statements and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► not kind of play the bully almost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► and what that the tone they takin these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► statements is like we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► we are going to discredit the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► are making these accusations against us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► first we're gonna make that we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► drag them through member to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► look like they were bad and in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► malicious and at fault and doing crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► about things when actually it was our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► alright let's move on I on the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► evolution email list which the who knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► that email list were still think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► like straight out in 98 anyway they r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► for language nerds they are there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► post from chris lattner that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► title is update on the Swift product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► project lead and there's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► preamble and the meat of it is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► about that before you start reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► having worked in corporate America for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► long time here we all know it slowly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► the subject subject line you can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► what kind of news is going to be your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► email but having seen enough emails that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► euphemistically express personnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► changes or other bad news about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► yeah the best one is when the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► line is somebody's name like the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► line is from someone else in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► and the name is like it is just be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► either they died or they got fired but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that's one of the one of those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► things happened here for updates on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► update on is another rainy a euphemism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► is what happened yeah and by the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► language used when somebody dies first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► getting fired is pretty close yeah let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► ok not to say wrong but let's not go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► so update on the switch project lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► from click chris lattner and walks when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► he he is in a second but the meat of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► this email or the is i'm happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► announce that Ted criminal is that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► do you guys know let's go with it okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► I'm happy 28th king of pronunciation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► seriously that Ted chronic will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► taking over for me as quote Project Lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► quote for the Swiss project managing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► administrative leadership responsibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► for swift org this recognizes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► incredible effort that he has already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► been putting into the project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► reflects the decision of made to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► Apple later this month to pursue an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► opportunity in another space way to bury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► lead Chris yeah his decision wasn't made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► lightly and I want you all to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► I'm still completely committed to Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► i plan to remain an active member of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► contributor to the Swift evolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► mailing list and then there's some very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► no comments about working at apple blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► blah everything will be okay this guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► yesterday followed a few hours later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► with a blog post on Tesla com welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► chris lattner we would like to welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► chris lattner who will join Tesla's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► vice-president of of autopilot software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► Christmas reputation for engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► excellence as well known he comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► testify after 11 years of Apple where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► was primarily responsible for creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► Swift the programming language for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► building apps on Apple platforms and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► of the fastest-growing languages for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► compiler infrastructure and open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► umbrella project that is widely used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► whoa so let's back up smooch John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► well I think both of those statements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► had to his various titles in there i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► actually look this up i think his title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► upon departure from Apple was senior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► director and architect developer tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► department that's a comma inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► title such a long time but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► basically in charge of all dev tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► when he came on board Apple he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► lowered down but also doing compiler II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► stuff he is responsible for getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► a was first agc work like compiler based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► on the LLVM compiler building tool kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► that he made billions that he started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► before he came to apples probably based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► in one of the reasons i hired I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► and then eventually claim which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► replacement for GCC and of course with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► programming language that we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► and love and or are avoiding that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► you know so that that's gristle and sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► the it for in LA and sort of nerds to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► follow Apple parlance but don't own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► personnel he's the guy who was onstage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► announcing Swift at WWDC that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► the dude so very important person apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► has had a very illustrious career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► obviously the driving force between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► behind many of the biggest changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► having to do with developer tools at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► apple with with the platform on which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► development is at this point of his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► final title like I think he was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► charge of all xcode not just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► compiler to be better he started off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► just doing a pile of stuff and moved all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► the opportunities you know have all dev [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► tools so wide-ranging influence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► unquestionably Swift is the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► thing to happen to develop an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► platforms in many many many years and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► he's leaving and he's going to Tesla and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► the first thing that occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► about this announcement was that it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► place the first place I saw it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and i'm pretty sure the first place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► it appeared anywhere publicly was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► Swift evolution mailing list which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► public man with about the open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► development of the Swift programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► language because Swift is open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► thanks to chris's efforts inside apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► and that's where he chose to announces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► departure not on Twitter not an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► press release not in any other channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► not on his blog but on the open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► mailing list and any buried you know two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► paragraphs down an email about a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► in and leadership the open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► separate which i think in itself is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► statement about his dedication to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► source and his respect for the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► that the the funerals who are following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2877">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► a mailing list of all things you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► believe who people old people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► still subscribe to me that's the land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► and that he that he is telling not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► public at large and not a bunch of press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► let's but the people who contribute to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► the evolution of the Swift language so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► thought that made a statement and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► time it the the announced he was leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► I didn't know where I was going but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► Casey points that we didn't wait very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► long only have an hour to later and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► yes is this is a this is a big deal as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► far as I'm concerned I mean it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► say from an outsider's point of view how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► much Chris was involved in what women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► should even say that since since it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► open source but i personally don't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► up with the day-to-day doings on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► Swift project and certainly since Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► genuinely I'm not trying to be snarky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► apples kind enough to upload the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► commit history for swift to get hub and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► people went digging through the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► commits forget 344 Swift and it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► was latter's baby for like a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► something like that and then gradually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► and gradually gradually more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► Apple engineers came on board but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► this is the language in which i write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► code every weekday and this is in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► ways how I pay for the roof over my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► this very moment so I mean I personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► oh a great debt of gratitude to chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► lattner and I think Marco does as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► by virtue of xcode being under chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► lattner as well and LEM and I like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► of other stuff to it not just Swift you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► know there were a lot of other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► that he'd like you know I don't use with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► yet as everyone knows haha but like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► also did tons of stuff for the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► rest of developers back including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► compiler and objective-c yeah yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► this certainly strikes me as a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► darn big deal it's a pretty big blow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► see somebody that important that high up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► and from everything i've ever heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► well light leave Apple and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► just turning the dark knight for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► firm to be going to Tesla that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► bad thing necessarily but I've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► imagine that Apple's pretty sensitive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► this one's gotta sting and he's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► only one as people are pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► right now there have been several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► relatively high profile though I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► think as high-profile Apple departures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► on on their way to Tesla so this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► is kind of a bummer for apple for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► and we have a link in the show notes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► Christina Warren's article where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► departures and the companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► they're going to and you see a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► Tesla on that list i mean obviously this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► is not a scientific sample the Apple we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► turnover is and if this is more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► usual or whatever but high-profile was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► like this like those are the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► we notice and it's a good occasion to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► see like if people are leaving Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► where they're going and it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► right now you know prompt more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► than perhaps people thought were leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► Apple to go to Tesla which I guess would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► seem weird if there hasn't been rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► of an apple car related project for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► many years but now just like yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► kind of makes sense right i mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► and it depends on the person to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► know somebody like like latter I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► this is you know he's obviously an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► incredibly smart engineer and and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► also is apparently really good worker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► engineers tend to eat to tend to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► things either they get a job at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► company and work there forever for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► entire career like a place like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► or something like you know they they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► there and they stay forever this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► programmers tend to like to do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► it that tends to enable them to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► little bit more academically free in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► way and and to really get established [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► and to really not have to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► like the employment situation much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► just do great intellectual things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► then the other pattern usually c4 really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► engineering at least they'll do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► thing for a couple years and then want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► to do something else because they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► want to keep like attacking new crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► interesting problems and once they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► kind of gotten something stable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► released or whatever they get antsy i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► want to move something else that usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► you see those two extremes with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► smart engineers because you know we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► of talent it could have just been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► latter like it's hard to look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► and and to really read anything into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► this one person changing jobs and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► that's not to say the aggregate doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► maybe say something but it is one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► changing jobs to a different company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► it is not unheard of for them to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► change and he's been an apple for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► time and so to change what it was 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► years i forgot 11 so many that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► somebody of that caliber it's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► time so the fact that he goes left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► somewhere that's that's possibly like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► bit of a red flag that alone I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► think his reason for concern now if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► look at that there's a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► about this that are interesting and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► possibly concerning if you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► apple one I think is the timing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► little odd you know at the apple is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► this point it's barely even secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► anymore that Apple is working on a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► project and that they're devoting a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► of resources to it you can look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► what that what they're doing in the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► of the product lines and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► they're having a hard time keeping up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► with pretty much everything and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► devoting a lot of resources to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► less than before though if the rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► are to be believed because before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► were devoting way more resources when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► they were supposedly making an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► physical car and then supposedly rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► says that they laid off a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► people and said no we're not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► making a physical car instead we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► making self-driving software for cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► well it sounds more like the answer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► I i think that was the actual pills or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► at least we're not making this car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► we have been working on anyway we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► we've got is remembers example and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► anything about this but but the non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► rumor thing is what what is crystalline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► are going to do a Tesla vice president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► of autopilot software so if Chris was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► actually interested in working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► obviously we know for a fact Tesla has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► supposedly Apple possibly maybe if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► believe the rumors also had a department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► doing that so it's not even as if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► to leave Apple to work on car things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► but I that's that's that's why we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► saying it's like twisting the knife to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► go to Tesla because it's I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► it's kind of strange to to compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► rumors of what Apple supposedly doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► with the concrete reality but we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► Tesla is doing but in and techniques [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► circles and the fact that Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► Tesla and apple have this open door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► policy apparently with their personnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► going in both directions and the slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► animosity about poaching each other's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► competition between Apple and tehsil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► seems to be a real thing whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► founded on an actual overlap in product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► irrespective of whether or not Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► working on a car or car related things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► it seems pretty clear even from all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► way on the other coast that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► increasing amounts of animosity between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► the two companies about defections from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► yeah and that's why i like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► the company he went to is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► you know for that reason what he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► there to do when Apple allegedly rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► wise has that department at in active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► development is interesting and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► the timing i think is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Casey what does Swift seem like it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► a very stable place right now I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► i don't know i don't follow it yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► okay so I I can't answer that question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► because no matter what i say half of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► Swift users will say I am dead wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► also the the simple the simple answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► it is not yet totally stable but we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► told that swift for will bring ABI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► stability and at that point all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► bumps in the road should really start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► accurate but i'm saying that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► everyone is being told so take that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► what you want you can you can interpret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► that to be whatever you mean but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► that should be soon also next year's eve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► well you know the stability not another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► word for stability you know you're only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► stable and your deadlines never to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► stable because the question of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► know it's the question is like so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► what this is chris honors baby right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► and I timing wise if you were to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► in terms of the Swift language it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► little bit weird to move on to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► things before you're sure that like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► you know your child has grown grown into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► potty-trained right and I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► say bi capabilities potty training but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► like having to bundle like you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► all the libraries with your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► because you can't be guaranteed a binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► compatibility with the next version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► the standard library and stuff that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► me still feels like a language that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► it's not like it's you know it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► unstable or too much is changing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► compatibility is there there on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► source palatability train at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► and even so anyone they weren't on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► source compatibility don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► that bad next code was good about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► helping you update your stuff like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► wasn't you know it's on version 3 is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► version you know point 09 or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► likely be incremented major versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► pretty quickly because they did change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► major changes the language during that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► time the one last thing like is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► ABI competitive feel like after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► it's still going to improve and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► better but i think it will have crossed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► the line into a language that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► use without any more caveat it's anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► implementation caveat because now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► have as may be like oh well I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► this feature that feature but once it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► works like objective-c and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► like a language that you can write in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► be you know and your application will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► compatible with the next version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► US and all the frameworks and libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► and other stuff without you having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► bundle that crap with your app like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► that's a sign of language isn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► done so to have chris leave before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► you know the baby leaves the nest i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► searching for new analogies and which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► one we're going to favor but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► because it's so bad it's like oh he left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► before Swift is done so it's never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► be done language is never done but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► before it feel like it crosses the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► now he didn't leave right after one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► point no because that would be a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► certainly in good hands it's not like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► was hinging on him being there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► purely from the perspective of wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► you like to be there to see this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► through even if as he expresses a desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► is not you know that the language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► there is a road map there are ppl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► essential for that and even if he was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► can still contribute to an open sore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► like it that's fine it's not as if he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► it's not as if him leaving is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► for swift the language at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► emotionally speaking it you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► probably seems you know if I myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► his place I would want to like say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► were going to retire whatever you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► choose not to retire to let me just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► the Swift thing and just like see it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► into the sunset and say here's my great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► accomplishment and he can do that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► but I know I i think i would want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► it along a little bit farther before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► before I considered it like a mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► accomplished and now we can now can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► continue to grow and blossom into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► successful adult or whatever and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3594">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► then the next larger point here about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► big departure is like this reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► people might leave Apple Marco touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► on a lot of these already like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► really smart people you bored or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► know if you're you just want to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► something else you decide you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► programming are you know you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► like you can advance the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► anymore but I feel like this this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► high level when you start getting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► like people with senior and director in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► their title i have to think the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► reason people leave aside from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► marker set of like I just wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► something else which is definitely think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► disagreement about something important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► if that important thing is your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► advancement the organization that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► be it for people who like feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► advancing and if they feel like they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► never be able to advance farther I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► I don't you know even though Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► climbed up the ladder very quickly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► don't feel like he was going to be CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► so I don't think that's his barrier it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► you know I have no information here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► nobody does no one is going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► about this but I have to think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► you know a disagreement about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► and doesn't need to be a disagreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► that involves any animosity and doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► need to be a disagreement in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► either Apple or the person leaving is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► right or wrong and the company's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► the person is doing or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► that but just sometimes there's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► fundamental intractable disagreement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► you know you either live with it or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► decide i don't have to live with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► because I can go do whatever I want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► maybe on try something different because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► you know whatever so in in the absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► of any other information which will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► obviously never be forthcoming because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► the you know nice people don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► about these things until many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► later and perhaps not even then it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► to me and andy cole departure based on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► fundamental disagreement about a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► that is probably not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► consequential to apple but was obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► very consequential to chris lattner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► so I think that is a reasonable reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► to move on to something else just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► reasonable as i'm bored and wanna try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► so as an illustrative example let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► those that latter really really wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► to open source Swift and you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► is three or four years ago two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► whatever was and that hadn't happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► yet an example of something that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► may not be that big a deal but to Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► maybe a huge deal is he goes to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► higher-ups to kroger whomever an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► and says I want to open source Swift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► craigor whomever says not gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► and and chris says well you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► I'm out you know obviously that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► the case but that's the sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► John I think you're talking about just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► as a hypothetical example is that fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► yeah that's a perfect example because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► that's the type of thing that like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► might care deeply about right there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► his history might not just be I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► make this new language called Swift but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► also that he wants to be open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► because he wanted to see the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► spread beyond the walls of apple now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► open-source after the language has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► announced likes a little bit late for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► that or whatever but obviously didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► announce the language and it wasn't open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► source and only was open source later so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► we you know he he was a driver for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► inside Apple which is no secret he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► it himself on his own website if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► want to read it and you know anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► who's ever heard him speak about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► before was open source could tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► he was in favor of because it was asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► in interviews or whatever about it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► open source to be like oh you could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► that he wanted and eventually he got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► if he hadn't gotten it maybe that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► have been something that said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► this is really this is really crushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► my dream about Swift and I really wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► deal-breaker for me and it's the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► thing that that apple would know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► they would know that this important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► person who's been important to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► company wants this thing and if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► decide no on it it could cause him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► leave like that somebody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► turnover is a possibility and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► it's not as if I think this is a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► or surprised anyone involved in it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► like that that's how these things go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► down if you have a super important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► person in the company you'll be willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► to do things to retain that person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► wouldn't otherwise that's that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► one of these ballplayers had how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► retain how do you retain the best people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► in your company one of the ways you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► retain them is finding out what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► important to them and wherever possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► without compromising the good of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► whole company or the rest of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► who work there being willing to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► bend over backwards to keep them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► I'm sure I don't know what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► things they had to do to keep Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► I've there but i'm sure there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► of them and you know Apple we entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► willing to do them all you want to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► from England for a few years ago you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► want to you know make this product you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► want to do the apple watch edition want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► to make a three-hundred-dollar book like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► whatever like those are easy easy sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► we were going to keep Johnny I've we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► gonna make him happy that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► retain employees but at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► if Johnny I've says I want to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► making iphones and start making pens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► only within them and they're gonna end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► if you don't let me do this i'm leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► the company Apple is going to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► done more of a market do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3898">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► yeah why don't you say well Johnny we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► gonna have to part ways here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► we're gonna stop making iphones no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► matter how much you want to make pens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► you know so I you know I there's no bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► guy in that situation is just a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► an amicable parting of ways among titans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► of industry it's it's wild and I mean a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► lot of people have been saying for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► long time that retention is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► biggest threats to apple and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► that chris lattner leaving alone proves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► that that that theory but certainly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► it gives credence to that theory because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► this is it certainly seems like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► deal now a lot of people in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► seem to think that this is well i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► filling in some blanks here but seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► be separated on the thought that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► now going to be a VP at Tesla so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► in principle and imprint an upgrade in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► I don't think that's the case I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► don't know Chris but they're pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► impression of him that I got is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► he's not the kind to chase the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► he's the kind that just wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► interesting work but it could be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► simple as he wanted to be a VP and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► know Craig isn't going anywhere not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► if he reported up to correct but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► seems logical and so he decided you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► what I want to be a vp somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► Tesla's doing interesting stuff so if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► go i tend to think that John is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► that it's something deeper than that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► you never know people do odd things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► other reasons and very well could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► that I mean honestly like if i were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► take a job in Silicon Valley that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► massive if I know and that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► like me to ever happen I can't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► complete list there we should make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► to show that ever happens but oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► yes but if i were to ever take a driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► Silicon Valley I i think apple and Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► would be my top two picks and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► would it might be more interesting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► hey I would I would honestly very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► heavily consider both if I got offers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► from both and i think i might lean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► towards test let me say I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► might be the kind of more exciting place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► I don't know I I could totally see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► somebody would would make that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► legitimate reasons why somebody would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► from Apple Tesla that they have that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► however there are enough like possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► bad signs for Apple here especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► things like the timing and what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► going there to do with Apple possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► having that same position in active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► development right now there are reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► here for people to be concerned I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► think this is a massive like story on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► its own but it might be a bit might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► part of a bigger story we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► like is it is tested poaching tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► people from Apple we don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► because typically when people go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► Apple tends to keep that pretty quiet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► we're only seeing one side of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► it i think when testing takes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► that quiet about it and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► really care but when Apple hire people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► they tend to want to keep that very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► quiet so we're only really seen one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► direction this it could be a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► balanced exchange of people you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► however if you if you look at the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► scraps that we're getting us the scraps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► of info and rumors and knowledge about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► Apple it's getting increasingly hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► look at this in a way that doesn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► bad like it looks like something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► going wrong in a pretty serious way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► that could be wrong because again we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► don't have that much information here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► but it's it's getting harder and harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► to look at this and explain it in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► well what do you think of a serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► issue like giving a hypothetical where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► this would be concerning like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► attended the fact that Apple potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► has a self-driving software thing too so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► why couldn't you just ate an apple into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► the self-driving software thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► the only situation you think looks bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► or other ones we're seeing it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► like we are eating a lot of costs as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► Apple customers in order to fund the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► Apple car project it seems like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► something big there that almost everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► seems to agree is almost certainly a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► decreasing Lee secretive about that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► everything like it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► they're trying to have AI don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► background but we don't know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► they're putting on it they could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► hiring all new people for the cartoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► for all we know like that's true but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► we we're hearing a lot of rumblings from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► a lot of different places over time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► organization so basically apples putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► a lot of resources and and sacrificing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► some attention on their existing product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► lines into this car project and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► doesn't seem like it's going well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► internally through whatever reasons like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► whether it's you know interpersonal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► issues management issues bad direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► who knows we were probably never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► to know that but it doesn't appear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► whatever is happening there it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► look good it it seems like we're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► a lot of cracks and symptoms on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► outside indicate like things are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► going the way they were expected to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► and so if Apple is pouring all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► resources into something I sure hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► that we're getting something out of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► sure hope that this is going to be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► it to some end because if not this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► serious management problem that is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► main concern that it seems like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► seeing increasing signs but you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► over the last couple years were seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► increasing signs that Apple might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► having serious management problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► almost any one of these individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► problems or symptoms or failures that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► individual one could be explained away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► by like oh well you know that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► Intel's fault that was just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► happenstance or that just didn't go well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► or whatever else but there Charlotte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► it's getting increasingly hard to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► other conclusion then they're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► position on this is always that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► know enough about the internal workings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► of Apple to assign blame and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► things i dunno the most the most i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► about the internal workings of Apple are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► things from the past because like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► when people talk like years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► after it already happened that you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► organizationally personality wise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► management wise it you know Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► seem to be just as big a pit of vipers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► around the time that apple introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► the iphone you know their their greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► success as it wasn't any other time so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► you know I I just I just don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► goes on inside Apple I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► it's any worse than it was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► all I have to judge them by it are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► products that they put out right and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► that respect as we've talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► past shows you feel like they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► know they're slacking off in some areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► we think they shouldn't be and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► so forth but i can't i personally can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► make a leap from my satisfaction with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► the products they're putting out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► internal management related things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► just because I just feel like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► have enough visibility that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► there's such a black box i have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► maybe it's ten times better than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► when the iphone was introduced right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► maybe is ten times worse i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► can't i can't match it up certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► Chris leaving dozen is not a really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► point on that graph because as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► discussed earlier like there are so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► reasons i feel like you could even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► the getting back to the scenarios like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► why did you just say an apple and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► drive self-driving car stuff if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► Apple management like I wouldn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► self-driving car stuff no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► much he wants to that I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► would almost be a situation was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► well Chris if you really want to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► self-driving car stuff like we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► already got a team doing that and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► though it seems cool to you we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► someone managing that team and like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► you know Chris is valued Apple your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► value to apples higher leading the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► effort right now and Christmas disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► with that and say well but i don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► i don't want to do that and they there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► may be partying away there and say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► know what we want you to this you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► you don't mean like I just I just feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► like I don't have visibility into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► michelle has for just the best i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► concerned personally concerned about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► sum of the products are putting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► decisions they're making about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► products but I can't draw the line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► the internals because it's just this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► the you know big cloud to me well again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► that's why I think it's important to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► jump on the like something's going wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► at Apple train with any one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► things because again any one of these no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► you're right any one of these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► things that happened that like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► explanation could be a management issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► right like it's you can't conclude that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► from just one point but what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► is that the work we're seeing over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► over the last year or two like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► increasing number of like seeming cracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► in the foundation where that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4438">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► the explanations and eventually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► it's hard to make other conclusions when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► you have a lot of things that all could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► be explained by you know oh well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► this thing just went badly or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► there's some other explanation but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► of the explanations is like problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► I mean that certainly could be but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► tend to come down John side on this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► management issues but we can't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► mean especially someone at chris's level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► and I mean that both in terms of org [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► chart and just brute intelligence after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► a while it wouldn't surprise me just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► bored like comparatively a comparative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► chris lattner I'm a friggin idiot and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► get bored after a few years at most jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► I've ever had and so he was at Apple 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► years it's been granted he worked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► different things i was there already has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► a lot to be proud of but it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► something as simple as boredom i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► come back to John said I think this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► some sort of disagreement with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► but i don't personally see such a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► line from Latner and others leaving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► management problems and let's go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► what you one of you said about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► iphone when you know everyone is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► it's beginning of that multi-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► process that probably looked kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► good and if we were around what we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► around but if we were a podcast then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► we were all all three of us APPL fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► then we would probably be saying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► the ipod really looks like crap compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► to a year ago I wonder what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► in there and as it turns out what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► going on in there was the iphone now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► project Titan or whatever it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► today is that going to be the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► necessarily mean that bad things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► happening if talent is getting sucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► into tighten it doesn't necessarily mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► that bad things are happening of talent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► is leaving Apple all that being said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► are certainly getting enough data points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► to point to something not being good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► exactly not be management in may or may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► not like I think I'm coming I'm beating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► you up a little bit about it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► management but i agree with you Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► that something looks amiss here I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► don't know what liliya and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► I say management you know i'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► like this one particular person should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► be fired whatever i'm saying like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► sense of like it's a manager's job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► fix this and like manage management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► problematic so things like resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► allocation choosing what direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► things should go in personnel changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► like those are all those are those all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► restaurant management and so if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► appears that Apple's having problems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► those kinds of areas over a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► amount of time and and with enough of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► these data points where like that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► like a likely explanation that is up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► management to fix and so it's up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► either you know the the lower level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► people who these various problems might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► be under but ultimately it's up to temp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► like that is the the CEOs job is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► the ultimate manager like if things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► going wrong with management inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► company the ultimate responsibility to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► fix it eventually rests at the CEO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► that like again like I i do think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► might be other explanations for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► things maybe maybe everyone's doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► great job but there sure are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► cracks showing the foundation and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► commentators have to consider the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► possibility that maybe things aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► anyone's debating but i don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► two of us are debating with you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► things may not be going well it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► it's such a big black box that it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► hard to pontificate and arguably that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► what we're supposed to do but it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► to pontificate with any sort of accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► and reliability what's going on in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► but it's certainly interesting in and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► is even more interesting like one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► guys said because everything we know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► that's there's an equivalent project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► happening within Apple but I mean to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► a silly example so a couple of jobs ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► I was doing a whole bunch of sharepoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► development which if you've ever touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► sharepoint you'll know it's a miracle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► I'm not bald right now from ripping my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► hair out but anyone knows anything wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► not that there's anything wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► that of course but I had been doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► for like four years and I begged and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► begged and begged to do anything other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► than checkpoint and eventually it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► made clear to me that that wasn't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► to happen because i was too valuable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► a sharepoint developer to move me off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► do something else and so I left now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► Marco's point that is to some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► absolutely a management problem but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4720">TS</a>]
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01:19:27 ◼ ► manager just wants to swing coat again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4767">TS</a>]
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01:19:31 ◼ ► probably be a manager again but you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4771">TS</a>]
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01:20:20 ◼ ► again this one incident this one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4820">TS</a>]
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01:20:49 ◼ ► not be for any one of those problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4849">TS</a>]
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01:21:29 ◼ ► passed like think of when you know Tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4889">TS</a>]
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01:21:34 ◼ ► didn't get along with a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► inside apple and eventually got booted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► out and Scott Forstall wasn't was he not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4898">TS</a>]
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01:21:45 ◼ ► freaking mess in there and people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► leaving and getting kicked out it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4906">TS</a>]
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01:21:50 ◼ ► between two people who arguably you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4910">TS</a>]
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01:21:54 ◼ ► was the the origins of the ipod projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4914">TS</a>]
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01:22:05 ◼ ► producing the iphone for crying out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/4925">TS</a>]
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01:25:46 ◼ ► daddy what was what they call it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► Python guy that has a really funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► yeah it's a really funny nickname anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► John you should know this python is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► pearl right I don't follow python we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► I don't know what windows nickname is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► it's like supreme ruler it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► something like that better for life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► it maybe that's it anyway so the latter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► is sort of the benevolent benevolent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► dictator for life and now what we get we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► can debate whether his full-time job at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► apple was was working on swift I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► given that he had a hundred people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► under him and from his own website in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► additional languages Swift and objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► c compilers low-level tools that took on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► instruments performance analysis tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► Apple java releases in a variety of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► it doesn't sound like Ladner's full-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► job with Swift anyway but how much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► is he really going to have to dedicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► to it if he's working full-time at Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► is that a problem is that just a change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► I mean it seems like he's let this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► beautiful bird fly on its own in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► he's you let go of the leash but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► know it's it's slightly alarming right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► it's it's it's a change no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► you slice it all hehe was not benevolent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► dictator for life and therefore life i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► familiar with this concept because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► was adopted by the Pearl community as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► well and it was bestowed on Larry wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► as an interesting way for nerds to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► deal with you know to deal with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► everything to have one trusted person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► credible claim to dictatorship like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:26 ◼ ► invented language in the case of Larry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5246">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► walls like you know what guys going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► be in charge of parts going to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► well alright and also has proven to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► I you know and like that everyone agrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► like you may agree with Larry wall or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► disagree with them but we think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► reasonable person so you you bless them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► as benevolent dictator for life and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► have an open-source process where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► everyone argues with each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► tries to come to some consensus but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► every once in a while there's some big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► disagreement about some big important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► thing and has to go to you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► ultimate tiebreaker and you defer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► everyone agrees that we all agree we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► dictator for life and that person makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► the call and hopefully that rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► happens in most of the time the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► source community works that among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► themselves but you have this one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► is the backstop as the tiebreaker as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► decision but and that person part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► England Evelyn is they don't use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► Pat they don't use that power they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► use it to override the people they wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► to be called upon most of the time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► consensus like that's the benevolent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► part is really important this is by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► way a terrible system for government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► because as we all know that power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► and you should not do this but an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► open-source projects and these specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► cases with these specific people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► really nice nerds like I assume we do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► a little areas it has worked out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► that's not what Chris not there is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► the Swift open source community it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► much more democratic process now here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► he's kind of a de facto he was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► de facto benevolent dictator four terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► of Employment and apple because the boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► of the most powerful contributors to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► code so he was their boss in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► which is a powerful position right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► kind of had to do what he said because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► he was their boss and they were working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► on swift on an Apple employee time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► not just in their free time as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► hobby or whatever um and he would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► leading the meetings discussing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► community proposals for the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► language and the impression from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► outside of leases that Chris would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► deliver the result of those meetings we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► had a meeting about this proposal this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► is a community proposal the swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► resolution processes you propose and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► then the Swift core team or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► coal difficult this probably some name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► governance process we decide whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► your pros will be adopted or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► then Chris usually especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► beginning or right to let's say the core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► team met here is here are comments here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► is the the conclusion we made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► problem with that is the core team had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► lot of Apple employees on and Christmas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► that boss so even though he was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► anointed as the benevolent dictator for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► it seemed like he had a that's like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► had a larger influence on decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► related to the Swift language than any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► other single person which I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► anyone would argue it doesn't mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► was like he was in charge of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► made a decision far from it like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► mostly like a good benevolent dictator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► might defer to the community and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► the process did it does not have him in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► an anointed position of controlling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► everything which means as he leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► less control over the evolution of Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► than he did before but in actuality he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► was never benevolent dictator for life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► that's not house with open-source effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► looks and so to get back to kc question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► what does this mean for swift I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► Swift will be fine it may end up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► in a different direction that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► gone in had Chris stated Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► that's not necessarily a worse direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► and there are so many smart good people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► working on swift both inside and outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► of Apple that I you know and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► with the force of Apple behind it apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► remains dedicated Swift as they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5456">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► be over these past many years it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► perfectly fine the only change will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► is that it may end up going slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► different directions than it would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► gone a Christmas there but who's to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► so what is he doing for tests i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► understand what it said on the 10 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► he's going to be was a vp of autopilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► software but while at nur like what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► do you think he brings he uniquely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► well I think that's pretty easy like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► you look at his resume like he came the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► Apple as this guy who started this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► know c++ compiler building tool kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► right and took that into a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► already had an entire ID and to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► for developing for their operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► system and slowly but surely replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► their compiler from the bottom up first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► entirely and then you know baidu by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► proving the worth of his little compiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► thing I can use Milo compiled tools to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► help you in this area of the company i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► can use it to compile shaders in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► I can you know rip out the guts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► backend of GCC and replace it with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► thing and i can replace all GCC with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► own compiler and then guess what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► been looking at your language is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► crap i can replace that to that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► being able to come into an organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► and eventually solve you know huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► spanning problems is you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► that's a hell of a resume that's unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► ability so you're going to drop this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► person into this project let you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► some respects Tesla's so much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► and more narrow than apple because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► has so many stakeholders and so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► complicated things and you know software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► test just got cars at this point I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► you know at least that's all anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► going to be involved in his own solar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► roofs or whatever right there cars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► he's a specific aspect of the ground not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► self-driving part which again is huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► problem but if anyone can get dropped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► into that situation and figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► to make a team of people successful at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► accomplishing the goals put for them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► know he's proven he can do that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► context of a big important company with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► millions of customers now how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► I don't really know but if you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► the problem the team is currently having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► had anything to do with two languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► familiarity with pecan hit the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► running and even if it doesn't he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► smart and he's proven he can navigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► large organizations and get things done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► so you know I think I feel like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► no-brainer hired and anybody who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► who has a some some portion of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► product and involves software and need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► someone to lead that effort because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► pretty sure you can do that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► imagine if Tesla wanted to have a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► language that could go from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► embedded systems all the way up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► server-side programming i want you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► only there was a man who edit or woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► who had invented such a thing that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► be so convenient to have hired i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► entirely sure he'll be using Swift the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► desolate maybe we will maybe we won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► like you know that item I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► what the software stuff looks like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► self-driving car tech at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► neither do i 1 and i think maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► part of why he would be so valuable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► them is if you look at like the kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► like most programmers you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► like me like the the work I do it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► almost it's almost unimportant whether i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► get my code correct or not like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► like doesn't work most of the time yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► okay good enough and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► programmer like the very few programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► have like really need to get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► correct on of like all the time or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► really matters and if you look at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► know the the job of autopilot software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► this is a really big deal that people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► that-that-that's like on the order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► this really has to be correct and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► similarly high requirements right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► because compilers really have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► correctly you can't have a bug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► compiler like that that's a really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► thing for a lot of people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► really has to be so not only not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► that but chris is also proved himself to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► be really good at making tools to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► whether your code is correct to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► things like static animal and analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► and things like that that was all him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► write or at least rooted in his stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► yeah that was all of Amtech enabling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► those features right so like that's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► you look at like the the specific needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► somebody leading it who is both really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► good at writing correct code and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► able to improve the correctness of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► code of the rest of the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► this interesting point yeah the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► thing that gives me pause here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► like everything he did Apple a were or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► things that if you were to present the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► the possibility of doing them to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► else you know versed in the art as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► patent law they're like yeah that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► possible that it's possible to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► self-driving cars are still in the realm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► like we've come close we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► better we're doing this but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► not a straightforward thing it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► even clear what the correct approaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► and there was a good YouTube video so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► today with someone gave a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► all the different problems self-driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► cars and different approaches and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► know what one of the ones being promoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► by and video of all companies because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► they sell cheap used to do is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► neural net type of thing where instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► straightforward and programmatic instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► you get this you know this learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► network that you train right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► don't even you're not even really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► programming it you're just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► treating it like a little a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► living thing and you don't even know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► it works internally you just know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► the results are and you can trade in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► whatever like versus the approach of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► having a rule based approach where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► a lot of sensors lots of rules and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► conversing with each other and come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► consensus but inexplicable way right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► that's more of the test approach right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► you know better suited to manage a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► project like that because it fits more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► with his other things he's not as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► i know an academic reversed on machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► learning and neural networks and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► right so that's a good fit but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► were to go to somebody and say hey can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► self-driving software that gets good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► enough that you can remove the steering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► nobody knows because nobody's done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► right and and that is that's most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► exciting it's exciting challenge right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► but also it's a big question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► I mean and in addition to the ? like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► will test the still be in business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► well they run out of money i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► somebody buy them because there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► thing you have to worry about apple at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► least in the short term is will i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► they be able to pay my paycheck answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► Tesla on the other hand has not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► been making money and I'm not sure when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► the prospect of them making money is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► I'm not sure whether they'll be bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► or whatever but if you're looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► you know it's exciting and many levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► this is definitely a challenge i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► not entirely sure that Chris has any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► more of a chance of solving this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► like especially if the correct approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► turns out to be like the neuron that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► thing and that's not the approach that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► was taking this he's not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► and someone else is but if it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► right approach and it can be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► I guess he's got a puncher's chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► right it's just it's a much bigger ? [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► then can you figure out how to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► apples compiler infrastructure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► backward compatible with Objective C and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► also work with you know like if he did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► great job and that is a tremendously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► hard problem but it is a thing that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► been done before in different forms vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► self-driving cars which is this bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► is big you know why this guy ? at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► point that's 13 sponsor this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► hello fresh betterment and square space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► it was accidental John research Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► and Casey would let him because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► accidentally was accidental and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► pvp.net and if your sweater follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment our DC at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► how is John using Swift yet why the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► would II because he basically caused it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► seriously how are you not using it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► I don't have I would use it if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► occasion to use it but i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► have occasion to use it at work and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► don't have time for anything home boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► podcast and i just added support for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► certain feature that marker was aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► to my blog recently but my blog is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► so it didn't exist when I made it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► haven't touched it since then its Paula [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► craft but apparently you touched it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► somehow to add this feature i'll yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► was not that big it would be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► programmer thing to do to spend more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► time on the engine then on writing posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► and i think i still have achieved that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► goal because I rights so few posts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► that's exactly the point I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► anyway like I i'm at this point I'm such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► high-level language dilettante that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► just can't bear to deal with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► even yeah I know Swift is not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► this will not down in the mark but right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► like what I said you'll owe for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► within Swift it's got unsafe stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► there you know you don't have to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6057">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► for God's I know but sometimes you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► depending what frame which you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► use with it and oh yeah and and types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► and like any other high-level thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► about ya know we're all so much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► types and I you know any moment of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► life i spend wrangling a type system i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► feel like it's a wasted moment cuz im so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► that's a feature not about John wait so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► hold on I know you're using using perl i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► assume is a use your Holy Grail here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► no it is not a Holy Grail but I was 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► javascript is this is the same way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► you have to worry less about types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► well my god obviously not working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► someone not sure oh my god okay last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► sentence which are John as a homicide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► yeah like I like JavaScript and even i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► will tell you that you that appealing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► Authority with javascript was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► everything is like a language that i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► it has the same characters 16 that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► don't have to type everything ok people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► so we go back to the earlier complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► like about unsafe things like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► using perl probably just calling out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► libraries written in C half the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► right so like time-tested not modified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► yeah that's that's yeah okay yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► great thing about using language like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► that though by the way as I've said many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► times is what segfaults is not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► fault that is that should be a slogan on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► you know if part was still popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► language people put up all like fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► whereas when you get sick volts Markin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► your fault but you do that you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► in Pearl it's like no I couldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► done anything to cause that cuz i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► programmers problem and you're right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► don't get segfaults I i get like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► know uncaught exceptions and things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► know everyone's got a different name you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► know no longer exceptions in Java is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► well no Marco doesn't have that problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► i do but it's all within the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► compiler psych faulting left-hander mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► of the same for compilers those can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► bugs i can feel everyone on the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► mailing list saying oh yeah compilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► never have bugs then yeah i mean i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► referring more to like the generated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► code but I i know that i know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► yeah but you're right the standards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► standards higher which is why when there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► is but he's not worthy button in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► world of Swift's compiler we are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► definitely in the realm of regularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► having actual bugs in the compiler all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► those are my people at Apple working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► this with compiling whenever anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► do but rest assured that they do well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► let me tell you type inference is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► magical until it stops working and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► it's the worst ya worry about types that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► the correct argument against javascript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► four types is all their inane coercions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► that like they made a few bad choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► with coercion and truth value minus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► it's why I ever has all the religion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► about triple equals because they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► want to avoid any of that stuff because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► it behaves in ways that people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► agree with weather like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► drives me nuts like people have written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► off PHP entirely for exactly that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► of thing and now they're all using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► javascript like it has the same problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► like what that is but they're not using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► javascript cuz they love it you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► they're using javascript they have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► choice because it's in every freakin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► browser to use node they have a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► but now they don't because the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► they're using the reason they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► this JavaScript on the server side is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► because using a client-side and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► can share code because the client-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► and server-side it is a way and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► in a bowl way to do basic stuff service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► I'd you know as you as compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► other languages that offer some liquid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► but totally it's like JavaScript wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► not because anybody loves it but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► you gotta use it as in the friggin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► I mean I chose node willingly I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► have done Ruby when i wrote a camel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► I just want to be slower is faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► it wouldn't it never would have scaled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► for those millions and millions i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► out today but no I chose node because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► was familiar with javascript and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► I don't yeah whatever your JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► because of the web for sure exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► what's going down oh but i but i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► don't have jquery on 99% of the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► post I i right in fact I don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► it on the standard template because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► use its around but you know the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► and you know little bits of the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► library and you know kind of how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► regular expression things work and stem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► have you done any yes sex stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► JavaScript where they tried to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► less of a mess now in or if I touch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► typescript CoffeeScript region usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► if you next time you do something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► note upgrade to reasonably recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:21 ◼ ► version of note into the whole thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6321">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► let's be honest what I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► convert camel from from static ish to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► full full bore static like you two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► knuckleheads do and i started i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► branch with it actually want to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► away from that but get really yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► whatever it is that you know till I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► two dynamic generation and basically you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► know I have some experience with web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► scalability basically the the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► speed is never your problem if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► your problem you are not doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► dynamic serve pages can be almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► fast as a static side serve like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► engine X if you do it right if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► things like you know like all what all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► the servers do to serve secretary just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► quickly you have things like caching you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► know it beat the basic caching required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► like there were getting into an era now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► where where I think like as the web is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► shifting into into the new era of mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► and whatever else I think we we more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► like publishing API support so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► use tools on the go and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► as well as you know various dynamic for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► my generation like amp and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► garbage is thrust upon us in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► so it's it's and also like servers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► so cheap and powerful now and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► everybody so it's like it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► increasingly harder to justify static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► only side generation when a decently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► written conscientious modern dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► application can do things just as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► and provide some pretty nice benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► for the world of mobile but you do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► static site you lose the opportunity for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► a programming bug to make your site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► responsive and so we go back to doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► dynamic you finally get that ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► back how complex is your blog CMS John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► now i can now i can make a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► error that you know brings me back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► the good old days when sites will get / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► whereas if it stack the worst you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► is make yourself look ugly be static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► generator produced a bunch of crap but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► you guys have obviously not use PHP what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► you think you want because it can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► make things ugly i don't know well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► too but no I mean I honestly like modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► web languages and & 2 chainz & and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► stacks are really fast you'd be shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► how fast i don't understand you may get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► your bait you make a programming error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► something that goes into an infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6478">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► loop somewhere and then all of your year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► you know child processes get tied up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► the infinite loop and now you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► more responders and you know like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► an area not doing it on purpose not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► saying it's performing correctly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► when you have no code you just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► static files you that whole class of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► errors is gone and so that's I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► that's why people do static stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► like well it will have predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► performance right and there's nothing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► can do to mess up that predictive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► performance because I'm not serving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► files you know indexes are Apache is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► i haven't upgraded in 17 years and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► doing what it always does and is hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► percent predictable once you add your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► own code to the mix you open up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► window however small for you making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► it causes your thing to hang when i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► so much traffic or something I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► might be overestimating the complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► ya know I said it's a good thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► it's not very hard there they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► have much code and there's not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► opportunity for things like infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► well there's always opportunity for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► infinite loops just you can do that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► regular expression for crying out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► you are not an infidelity and John but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► you could but only after the universe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► programmer can do that with a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► expression all anybody right now but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► have a PHP even a JavaScript programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► can make it regular spread you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► terminated well I don't just doesn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► speech be only used the FAA since right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► ascension you know what does not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► well I don't someone someone in the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► room now and really an autonomous yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► like the ones that are gonna see the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► non-deterministic finite automata is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► one of the ones that you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► regular expression that tries like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► bazillion permutations of how to match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► and it won't succeed or fail in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► for a huge amount of time so it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► expressions to that level of complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► your you might be using the wrong tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► it's not it's not a complex thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► really you can you can make a trivial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► example with like six characters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► just like characters and pluses and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► couple friends and you can make one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► goes up but but some regular expressions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► i like he grew up I believe in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► command line only the CFA's and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► don't have that problem but to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► fancy features the Pearl has its Rex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► engine you have to have an NFA engine in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► there as well and I think process which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► is between them uses the FAA when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► faster and anyway this is all esoteric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► with the point as infinite loops are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► if you look hard enough what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► doing with your blog like honestly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► I like I've won a number of blogs CMS's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► you know ill-advisedly over the years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► and and I don't think I've ever even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► needed anything that complex like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► are you doing I'm not doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► I've static files i'm saying you've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► it i mean the most common cases what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► somebody either influenced catching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► wrong or just implemented at all and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► get to see like they're my sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► connection errors on right get slashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► at like the bad old days it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► the languages and fast enough it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► they didn't realize that they might need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► to have 7,000 simultaneous connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► that my sequel database and it didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► any form of caching and their page gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► popular and all you get to see is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► is there a lovely my sequel errand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► an error page like remember those days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► that used to happen a lot that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► happens like I know what does that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► that's the magic of a dynamically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► generated website combined with that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► had silent gets ya don't want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► caching but you know that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► about cache invalidation and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► another class a whole class of bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► doesn't exist when you really don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► know it you don't you can do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► because because of the scale we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► talking about here like the most simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► cashing in the world works just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► what you do you put a caching proxy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► front of your application and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► application sends a cache header with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► TTL of one second because then it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► in most cases only ever have to generate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► one page per second dynamically which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► they can all do and you can be serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► up to a thousand people per second on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► the front and that's fine because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► caching server can do that its total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► cash stampedes though you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► stampedes for when the the one second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► expires and like it only for badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► written caching servers there we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► better ones now they avoided but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► are so many ways you can screw this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► but I'm saying like it what by doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► reason people who died static sites is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► because it eliminates his entire class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► of performance related problems and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► trade it for the other problem which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► that your site takes longer to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► and potentially you could cause your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► entire side if you if you make a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► there but that trade-off is why people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► do static sites and you end your you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► more limited in the kind of features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► your site can support which sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► ya know you can have your type decide be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► entirely status have little sub URL be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► mad but in most cases prove this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► it snowed site was what is a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► percent dynamic right you were doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► like the stupidest dynamically never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► like we're doing any cash you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► catching it in memory whatever was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► like when you were feel now like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► an episode about the most naive like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► wasn't like you were going to greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► that's why you're here is because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► yeah well I feel like a million night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► and I use the term of art night and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► yes your question what happened is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► first time I actually it's upon load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► basically when the engine is spun up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► looks to the file system and it looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► a bunch of markdown files converts those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► two HTML renders full-bore HTML for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► page and then holds that in memory so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► principle once the thing is spun up it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► anything again it just has to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► where in memory that that that pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► yeah so that I mean obviously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► approach doesn't work for a site with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► billion pages on it like archive.org or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► something but it works fine for a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► and it's technically dynamic because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► it's not like attending the disc every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► time you make a request right but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► also basically static static dynamic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► then that's exactly the point like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► I put on the readme where did that guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► maybe in an infinite loop and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► find it yeah that's you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► think you're right i think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► exactly what happened i'll send you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► some some good in front of the breakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► right i can find out maybe job doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► suffer from it wouldn't surprise me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► javascript is all DFAS because I suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► that I would see more of it on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► who was a thing this conversation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► probably meant to have me like start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► learning Swift but now instead I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► want to do the worst possible use of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► time because i want to write a new blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► engine in PHP imaginative writing a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► and Swift combine 2 into 1 are the are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► the server-side frameworks there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► because they honestly i would consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► that I think so there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6837">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► projects that i mean i'm sure they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► not like mature or probably even goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:04 ◼ ► feel like you can get the job done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6844">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► because like you said blog engine is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► that complicated but that IBM is working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► on from what I understand isn't bad i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► can't remember the name of top my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► is it's it's very easy to do this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:15 ◼ ► of thing in one of the very popular old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6855">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► languages like PHP or Python or Ruby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6858">TS</a>]
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01:54:27 ◼ ► that that's really easy to use bolt-on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6867">TS</a>]
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01:54:31 ◼ ► million libraries to do it's great right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6871">TS</a>]
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01:54:35 ◼ ► curious you and and things like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► image resizing thumbnailing if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► ever necessary stuff like that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► kind of stuff that like that blog CMS's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► it's fairly simple but there are a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► components that are somewhat complex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► it's nice to have to have like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► wait for my go up webby type of language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6894">TS</a>]
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01:55:01 ◼ ► those those have tons of good libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► something that's that's brand-new or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► that hasn't been really used in a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► context very much like Swift I've also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► had this problem with go honestly go has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► a lot of built-in libraries for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► stuff like math and stuff but once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► get into like more webby type needs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► you very quickly hit walls of like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► there just isn't a library to do this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► there's one library that just shows out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► to this obscure c library that won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► compile or whatever else I i I've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► lot of issues with go in that regard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► honestly like I feel like Swift kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6935">TS</a>]
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01:55:42 ◼ ► kind of want swift to be on the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► so i could just use that should try rust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► snacks maybe rest has better service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► hours I don't know anything about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► library situation but it's in a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6949">TS</a>]
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01:55:55 ◼ ► did look at it like you know about two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► years ago but i would expect it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► we're like it it probably doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► lot of those like rich client side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► libraries because i think it's more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► a low-level thing it's also it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► very new and and you know not incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► popular yet i don't know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► couple of different options for swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► there's Taylor which is funny but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► won't fully badly named because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► you're searching for Taylor Swift there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6981">TS</a>]
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01:56:25 ◼ ► a perfect is just an obnoxious name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► then katara which is probably the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► kind of name because I've never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► that word used anywhere else before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/6992">TS</a>]
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01:56:44 ◼ ► that's not get up so yes it does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSkCd0E/7004">TS</a>]
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