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00:00:00   First of all I think the pod cast is a place where I'm going to be wrong quite a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:05   That's a that's a really positive note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/5">TS</a>]

00:00:09   and I'm going to guess maybe you're going to be wrong a lot as well unless you come prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/9">TS</a>]

00:00:13   and I don't I don't know about that have you come prepared. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/13">TS</a>]

00:00:16   I think you know me well enough to know that I have come prepared. But is that a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/16">TS</a>]

00:00:21   Like I know you don't like us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/21">TS</a>]

00:00:24   Well that's the impression I've always had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/24">TS</a>]

00:00:25   but like it doesn't bother you in conversation so why is it such a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/25">TS</a>]

00:00:30   Conversations are different right so you do know I get a little freaked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/30">TS</a>]

00:00:36   when I make those videos you know that's that's why I like a podcast is a different kind of thing right I can just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/36">TS</a>]

00:00:43   can just talk to you and the expectations the expectations are lowered. It's a different format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/43">TS</a>]

00:00:48   So you think because well because you've written a script there's a new a new level of responsibility on you on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/48">TS</a>]

00:00:55   Internet. If you're if you're making something for other people and it is it is a purportedly factual thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/55">TS</a>]

00:01:04   And if you're not just a total jerk there's some kind of burden on you to make sure that what you're saying is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/64">TS</a>]

00:01:13   and I think that that partly comes from just having having an audience of people who are interested in maybe hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:20   what you have to say you have to make sure that what you're saying to them is is right because those people are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/80">TS</a>]

00:01:27   going to maybe say what you told them to other people and it sort of spreads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/87">TS</a>]

00:01:32   and if you said something that's wrong it's like you're making the world worse because you put out like this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/92">TS</a>]

00:01:38   incorrect piece of information that might also have a real chance of spreading to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/98">TS</a>]

00:01:43   and to their conversations. And there's just there's just no good and that would make me feel very guilty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/103">TS</a>]

00:01:49   So these months that you famously spend researching video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   Yes yes are you wanting them to be really correct because you feel this responsibility to make the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/112">TS</a>]

00:02:00   Better place because you fear hateful comments and criticism which is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/120">TS</a>]

00:02:08   I would say very honestly that that a huge part of it is actually that I just I don't want to be wrong in public right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/128">TS</a>]

00:02:18   in such a such a visible way. It's a pride. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/138">TS</a>]

00:02:24   Yeah there's a pride I guess the thing that I'm really the root that I'm really afraid of is if you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/144">TS</a>]

00:02:30   and watch some of my videos in some of my videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   I am advocating for a position so the voting videos for example right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/153">TS</a>]

00:02:39   I am trying to convince people of something there. Or the video about the Electoral College. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/159">TS</a>]

00:02:45   I'm trying to convince people how terrible the Electoral College is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/165">TS</a>]

00:02:52   Where the copyright video I'm trying to convince you I don't say it explicitly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/172">TS</a>]

00:02:56   but I'm trying to convince you that that the copyright system that we currently have is kind of a terrible idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/176">TS</a>]

00:03:00   Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/180">TS</a>]

00:03:01   and the thing that I live in terror of on those days the days that I have uploaded a I'm trying to convince you video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/181">TS</a>]

00:03:10   is that within the first thirty minutes someone is going to leave a comment that just demolish is my central argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/190">TS</a>]

00:03:19   and that is that is a terrifying thing to to worry about because you know I've just made this video I've put it up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/199">TS</a>]

00:03:27   the Internet a bunch of people are watching it right now I'm doing my best to try and convince you of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/207">TS</a>]

00:03:33   and then someone comes along and just devastatingly shows that I am incorrect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/213">TS</a>]

00:03:39   and I'm very happy in casual conversations to try to change my mind and to discover that I am wrong about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/219">TS</a>]

00:03:48   and then to to adopt a correct opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   But to have that process happen in front of maybe hundreds of thousands of people is kind of terribly embarrassing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/231">TS</a>]

00:03:58   So when I upload. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   I really don't want to be wrong and I do worry about the big house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/240">TS</a>]

00:04:04   or the little thing that slipped through the net because something that was said to me by a very wise man it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/244">TS</a>]

00:04:09   true that is when you're making an argument like the ones you're talking about there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/249">TS</a>]

00:04:13   It can be the small thing that undoes you because someone might point out you said that that treaty was signed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/253">TS</a>]

00:04:19   January thirteenth when in fact it was January fourteenth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   and suddenly they use that mistake to undermine every single other thing you said in your video your argument so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/262">TS</a>]

00:04:29   wear if you're going to get you're going to trip over the small thing or are you worried about something so huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/269">TS</a>]

00:04:33   and fundamental which seems like a hard a mistake to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/273">TS</a>]

00:04:37   I worry about everything but I do have to keep my own sanity I do have a kind of hierarchy of errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/277">TS</a>]

00:04:45   and so at at the top of this the worst thing is what we've just been discussing is the your argument is invalid error. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/285">TS</a>]

00:04:53   Someone comes along and just demolishes the thing with a sentence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/293">TS</a>]

00:04:57   There are lots and lots of factual errors that do creep into my videos and that it is just it is totally unavoidable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/297">TS</a>]

00:05:05   And that's a kind of mid-level error which is irritating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/305">TS</a>]

00:05:09   but it's survivable if it's an error that doesn't relate to the main point necessarily so like you say the treaty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:14   saying you know if it's a get a you're wrong on the treaty. That's embarrassing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/314">TS</a>]

00:05:20   And if you have too many of those that can start to undermine your credibility. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/320">TS</a>]

00:05:26   Yeah you know I think everyone makes mistakes sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/326">TS</a>]

00:05:32   But if you if if you always get the treaty you're wrong right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/332">TS</a>]

00:05:36   or if you're always doing something just a little bit off it does start to undermine your your main point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/336">TS</a>]

00:05:41   And at the bottom of this hierarchy I have things like pronunciation errors which I have made an embarrassingly large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/341">TS</a>]

00:05:48   number of times and things like typos where I do my best to just totally ignore those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/348">TS</a>]

00:05:54   I think if I make a pronunciation error that that's OK That's an OK error to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/354">TS</a>]

00:06:00   I'd rather not but I don't in my own opinion I don't think that really detracts from a central point but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/360">TS</a>]

00:06:05   but enough little mistakes like Treaty years that's that's a bad sign right that doesn't that doesn't help. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/365">TS</a>]

00:06:11   So you'll be quite introspective here talking about you know how you feel about your videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/371">TS</a>]

00:06:15   and errors in them how do you feel watching other people's videos their no other content on the internet does it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/375">TS</a>]

00:06:22   Do you apply the same standards to other people that your blog here so often and get really upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/382">TS</a>]

00:06:27   when people make mistakes or do you think this is just something you apply to yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/387">TS</a>]

00:06:31   Well OK here's a great thing right when I watched your videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/391">TS</a>]

00:06:37   Almost every time the person talking right is an expert on this topic and I have no ability to judge whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/397">TS</a>]

00:06:44   or not they they've made mistakes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   Right there's an asymmetry here so I would say you know most of the educational videos that I watch on on youtube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/407">TS</a>]

00:06:55   I wouldn't even notice a mistake right the people who are making them are so much more integrated into the topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/415">TS</a>]

00:07:01   And they've done so much more on it that they're always going to be super aware of the stakes that come up whereas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/421">TS</a>]

00:07:07   can't necessarily see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   I'm going to guess that you get e-mails from people who are wanting to correct mistakes in your in your videos right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/430">TS</a>]

00:07:17   where you're then on the receiving end right you've made a video and you put it out there to the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/437">TS</a>]

00:07:23   and you know someone in the world knows more about a topic or they think need a more about a topic than you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/443">TS</a>]

00:07:29   and then they contact you. Like how do you deal with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   I mean I think I mean I guess in most cases like you say I've been interviewing experts so I am a step removed so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/452">TS</a>]

00:07:39   always say hey it was my mistake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/459">TS</a>]

00:07:42   But that also I guess I have one extra level of protection that you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/462">TS</a>]

00:07:46   and that is that hardly any of my videos are scripted or pre-prepared and I guess that I like conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/466">TS</a>]

00:07:52   and as we were saying at the start of this chat people forgive a lot more in conversations than perhaps they do in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/472">TS</a>]

00:07:58   script so if someone gets it. A rumble misspeaks or or just stuffs up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/478">TS</a>]

00:08:03   You can always say well hey you know there was no script we were just chatting how can you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/483">TS</a>]

00:08:08   or she didn't know what questions I was going to ask how could you possibly expect them to say everything perfectly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/488">TS</a>]

00:08:15   I guess I have that extra level of protection that doesn't make the wrongness any less I think it makes it maybe less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/495">TS</a>]

00:08:23   embarrassing in a way. So in terms of dealing with it I guess that's another thing to talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/503">TS</a>]

00:08:29   Once it's out there and it's wrong and it happens to everyone how do you deal with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/509">TS</a>]

00:08:37   So for me personally the way out the way I look at this is I try to keep a record of all the mistakes I've made on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/517">TS</a>]

00:08:44   own blog and I'm actually going to try to see if I can call it up here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/524">TS</a>]

00:08:48   Right or not I want to read that I always live in the newspapers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   The corrections section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   but with a correct mistakes from the previous day's paper like it's the best bit of the newspaper saying apologize for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/533">TS</a>]

00:08:58   their mistakes. They don't and I love that you have one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/538">TS</a>]

00:09:01   It honestly is and I know I mentioned this on Reddit a few times before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/541">TS</a>]

00:09:05   but my favorite my favorite mistakes section is the one published in The Economist magazine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/545">TS</a>]

00:09:12   There mistake section is just hilarious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   Well it's normally hilarious because the errors they're correcting are so minor as to be laughable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/554">TS</a>]

00:09:22   Write that and I do I do look it over and I mean sometimes they have genuine mistakes right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/562">TS</a>]

00:09:27   Everyone does that but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   but for the most part you know I think they have a deep apologies for every minor minor mistakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/569">TS</a>]

00:09:38   and that I do I do appreciate that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   That's probably really technically SMA too isn't it because you're probably thinking Gosh if they're apologizing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/580">TS</a>]

00:09:45   that everything else must be correct because they let nothing slip through the net. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/585">TS</a>]

00:09:49   Yeah that is definitely it's a good P.R. Move. OK so I'm looking at my most famous video the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/589">TS</a>]

00:09:56   One and I have I have a website where I kept track of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/596">TS</a>]

00:10:00   Things that I need to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04   and I got some of these are just embarrassing to look at if I haven't looked at this list in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/604">TS</a>]

00:10:09   and it is really uncomfortable. OK One of the very very top one I will tell you at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/609">TS</a>]

00:10:16   So remind me if I forget to burn the burning one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/616">TS</a>]

00:10:21   God this is awful too this is not so much a mistake as it was just terribly insensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/621">TS</a>]

00:10:26   but I colored Northern Ireland orange at one time right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/626">TS</a>]

00:10:33   Yeah I was not aware of the political implications of coloring Northern Ireland orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/633">TS</a>]

00:10:41   but boy did I hear about that right after the video was uploaded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/641">TS</a>]

00:10:47   And so I have a note here that as you know in these are these are notes for if I ever redo this video do you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/647">TS</a>]

00:10:56   to do to an island in orange Northern Ireland will be yellow not orange. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/656">TS</a>]

00:11:03   And also OK so a minor mistake was I was trying to do the national colors to some extent and I reversed England [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/663">TS</a>]

00:11:10   and Wales I had. So England should be white whale should be red I had it reversed in the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/670">TS</a>]

00:11:17   I neglected to mention that the United Kingdom is part of the Commonwealth realm I think I described it as being sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/677">TS</a>]

00:11:24   of above the Commonwealth realm like it rules over this thing not as part of the thing itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/684">TS</a>]

00:11:29   but you know here's the thing I'm going to mess up again if they don't know how to do it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   I mispronounced the Orkney Islands. Yeah that's right. Is that right is that right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/693">TS</a>]

00:11:38   Yeah although I notoriously mispronounced everything in the U.K. As well. I'll take your word for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/698">TS</a>]

00:11:44   Yeah I have got a house also Yeah I said the Church of England was the Church of the whole of the United Kingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/704">TS</a>]

00:11:51   but it is not as the name itself might specify it is just the Church of England it is not the Church of Scotland as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/711">TS</a>]

00:11:57   well. Don't do this to yourself. No it's I have I can feel your pain. Ah God This one this one just killed me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/717">TS</a>]

00:12:07   This really kills me too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/727">TS</a>]

00:12:08   I use the word sovereign in just the wrong way many times and I just I felt really dumb about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/728">TS</a>]

00:12:17   I called constituent countries sovereign and this is not the correct term to use it all to describe the situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/737">TS</a>]

00:12:23   This video is the foundation of your success is where it all started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/743">TS</a>]

00:12:26   and you know you're undermining everything I believe in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29   Oh I know and then I have I have this hole that I messed up a couple of places in the order. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/749">TS</a>]

00:12:35   I'm saying the British overseas territory in order of descending population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/755">TS</a>]

00:12:40   and there were a couple that I got out of order which is also just very painful. Let me tell you this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/760">TS</a>]

00:12:46   OK I know this is about being wrong on the Internet and being wrong on the Internet is a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/766">TS</a>]

00:12:52   but as someone who used to work in newspapers I can promise you being wrong in newspapers is worse because it's printed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/772">TS</a>]

00:13:00   so many times and it's you know it's a hard copy everywhere and when you go out for a coffee break and you see piles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/780">TS</a>]

00:13:09   and piles of the newspaper sitting in the shop with your. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   I'm page that has happened to me one of my first ever front page stories was about a big macho parade that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/792">TS</a>]

00:13:19   happening in my hometown and I swear I get into work the next day Mr front page thinking I was all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/799">TS</a>]

00:13:25   and then the book The boss called me over and said Have a look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/805">TS</a>]

00:13:28   and I had the start of the parade happening at like nine P.M. Instead of nine A.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/808">TS</a>]

00:13:33   So all these people would turn up at the wrong time and it was this I when I went from hero to zero very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/813">TS</a>]

00:13:40   Oh the best example of this that didn't happen to may happen to my mom there was a solar eclipse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/820">TS</a>]

00:13:47   And he was given the job of writing a story with labor you know he doesn't know too much about solar eclipses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/827">TS</a>]

00:13:53   and he obviously misunderstood something he was told and he wrote in the story on the front page of the paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/833">TS</a>]

00:13:58   Big big news today. Do not look at the solar eclipse. And unless you are wearing sunglasses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/838">TS</a>]

00:14:06   Oh gosh you know look at it even if you are and it will set you to do that the newspaper had to like old T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/846">TS</a>]

00:14:13   Stations and radio stations in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/853">TS</a>]

00:14:16   and have them put out these emergency broadcast saying don't do what it said in the newspaper today you will go blind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/856">TS</a>]

00:14:22   You mustn't do it and it became this huge huge huge incident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   and there's nothing you can do about it you can even take the video down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/865">TS</a>]

00:14:29   You can't kill the web page you can't print newspapers. You've just made this mistake that is there in hard copy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/869">TS</a>]

00:14:37   Oh that is terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   Those those two are particularly bad because you are compelling someone to action in an incorrect way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/880">TS</a>]

00:14:46   but eventually a permanently life changing kind of way. Yeah I'd rather have someone miss the parade and go blind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/886">TS</a>]

00:14:53   But yeah definitely it's a it's a terrible thing yet so I will I will grant you that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/893">TS</a>]

00:14:57   Those are particularly bad kinds of errors and just to have them one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/897">TS</a>]

00:15:03   Yet to have someone not know the perfect order of the British territories populations that is less bad than missing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/903">TS</a>]

00:15:10   parade or going blind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   Yeah I was going to like you know turn up to the wrong country because they misunderstood gravity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/911">TS</a>]

00:15:16   Yeah I hope so anyway so someone might win the nominee although OK so now so now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/916">TS</a>]

00:15:21   Now compared to your story of potentially blinding people the error that burned in my soul is going to compare is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/921">TS</a>]

00:15:28   to just hail in comparison to it anyway they got here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/928">TS</a>]

00:15:33   So what's this one that's top of the list this is this is top of the list and I try not to think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/933">TS</a>]

00:15:38   but I would just honestly be minding my own business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/938">TS</a>]

00:15:42   and this mistake that I made in my first video will still just pop into my head and I feel great shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/942">TS</a>]

00:15:47   and somehow I'm going to talk about it publicly. Talk to the great come on right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/947">TS</a>]

00:15:52   So yes my name is and I have been wrong on the Internet. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/952">TS</a>]

00:16:00   So low so I thought I should go with the advice I give hard to even build up to this but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/960">TS</a>]

00:16:08   So in the video I am talking about the island of Ireland. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/968">TS</a>]

00:16:14   Right so next year Great Britain we have the island itself the geographical entity just sitting to the west. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/974">TS</a>]

00:16:22   Yeah that might just get into the western Great Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25   and so in the end the video I can't remember the exact phrasing and how to laugh my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/985">TS</a>]

00:16:29   but I start to talk about you know the various places here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/989">TS</a>]

00:16:32   and I say OK we have this island which is Ireland we have Northern Ireland which is part of the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/992">TS</a>]

00:16:38   Which as we mentioned I already showed an orange right which is bad as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/998">TS</a>]

00:16:42   and then I move on to talk about the country that takes up the rest of the islands which I made a big point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:50   I hammered it home that the name of this country is the Republic of Ireland. Now here's the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1010">TS</a>]

00:17:01   I am a citizen of this country. Yeah right. And I say is that the name is the Republican violence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:10   And immediately after the video goes up I have a whole bunch of people e-mailing me going that's not the Republic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:15   Ireland the place is called Ireland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   and I think this might even happen on a public forum that might be a record of this somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:22   I got into an argument with a guy where I said I know the name of the Republic of Ireland. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:28   You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a citizen of this country. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:32   That's the name and he says that's not the name. And I go Yes it is I have my passport in the other room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:38   I checked it before I made the video. That's the official name. He goes check again. I go fine I will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:44   I walk into the next room. I look at the passport and it says Ireland. It does not say Republic of Ireland. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:53   And it just it it burns in my soul that I made a point of it in the video to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1073">TS</a>]

00:18:00   You know people don't think it's called Ireland but it's you know it's really the Republic of Ireland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:04   and Ireland just means the island itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   Right and I'm a citizen of this place and I got it wrong in such a public way and I thought I had checked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:16   but obviously my my brain was already pre committed to this piece of information and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:22   when I glanced at my passport my brain was like oh yeah it's the Republic of Ireland that's what it says in that piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:27   of paper don't look too closely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   You know you have to you know change your beliefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:33   and God is just awful I'm getting I'm going to put in a few people are going to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:37   People can say why not take the video down or replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:40   or perhaps you know I guess I don't know if this is really obvious to people or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:46   or whether it's something that it's more people who make videos think that perhaps you should point out why you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:51   just pulled down this video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:52   and corrected it would you know it was a hard thing to say technically your title right there there's a couple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1132">TS</a>]

00:19:00   here. But but the technical side is that it is it is difficult on You Tube to do this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:11   And so you cannot edit a video that is in place in the You Tube system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:16   I cannot submit a fixed version of the video and have You Tube replace it with and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:22   and I was set up that that is the problem there with the same link. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:27   And this is both a blessing and a curse because I've I've spoken to other You Tubers about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:34   If You Tube did allow people to correct the video to upload an amended version I would still only have that one video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:43   right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:43   I would I would have just spent all of my time revising and perfecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:49   and changing a whole bunch of stuff in it because even if I watch it now there's a couple places where I know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:54   few little little visual glitches you know and then listening to it again I think I'll go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1194">TS</a>]

00:20:00   What I have to just record the whole of the audio right which would then doubtlessly introduce some kind of additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:06   error which then I would have to fix. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   So if You Tube did allow me to replace the videos I would have only made one video so it is a blessing in the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:14   that it forces me to move forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   but it is it's a curse because it forces you to live with your mistakes right which is which is why I think I tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:25   obsess about the stuff so much because you know once it is up there you cannot change it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:31   Come up with something else out there that I want to talk to you about because I know you're a stickler for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:35   being right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:36   Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:37   and I don't want to come across as the advocate for romance because I hate wrongness as well you know I think that obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:43   I've obviously has to be your position right you're the advocate for wrong as you are making any kind of argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:49   there's no there's no greater It's all black and white. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   Let me put this to you I don't know if it's a term you're familiar with but I mean I used to work for the P.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:57   Cena Nady and this is TELL they say wrong but not for long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:03   And what that refers to is usually when there's like a breaking news story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:07   OK I'll give you an example say there's been some some catastrophe or something's happened something something serious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:13   Well I don't want to belittle serious catastrophes but they happen and there's a lot of interest in them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:18   when that happens and institution of the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   Which sort of prides itself on correctness is very cautious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:25   and they're very careful about what they broadcast them say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   and they won't release any information about maybe casualties and names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:33   and information until it's been you know triple checked and confirmed by the appropriate source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:37   and signed in triplicate. And then you get your T.V. Stations perhaps like in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:43   Sky which is you know a news network and they are perhaps a bit more cavalier about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:48   and now they just say what they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:51   or what they hear speculation you know we're hearing that they could be five people dead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:56   And then if it turns out they're wrong or they're wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1316">TS</a>]

00:22:00   So long and now I'll change and say well actually it turns out no one's died or that it might be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:05   Turns out it's even worse than we thought and this has happened and I used to work for the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:12   and We used to sit in meetings sometimes and discuss this cavalier attitude and all the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:16   People be very sniffy and smug and say what we would never do that and it's irresponsible to be incorrect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:22   But when these things happen when when a big story like this happens I find myself gravitating towards the sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:31   or the more gossipy the more gossipy ones because most of the time it turns out they're right and their rights are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:40   and I think there's a case to be made for risking wrongness for the sake of sort of time and information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:49   It's the same if you read a story like on the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   Website you'll read some story that will say this politician has resigned in disgrace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:57   and I won't tell you any more information and the first thing you do is you go straight to the tabloids and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:02   and if you find out this is what they're really going to have a mistress and I was with this celebrity and right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:08   So where do you stand on tolerating the risk of wrongness for the sake of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:15   I don't like gossip or information or just fast information I think I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:20   and I in this in this ten episode series we should see if we can do one on the news because I think we can have a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:28   a whole separate conversation about that. Yeah but but for the fourth episode has done that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:35   Yeah I think I think we could have a lot to talk about there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:41   I would say that the whole reason that those tabloids exist is because you're exactly right where the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:49   Is all stiff upper lip and you know someone has resigned and we're not going to tell you why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:52   Right and of course of course you want to know why people want to know the gossip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:57   and that's why other news channels can exist right because you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   Go over and you see right even if you are even if you hold the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:03   In high regard and you know you would never trust anything from anywhere else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   You're still going to go and try to find out more information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   Yeah that's just human nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   and I think I have a real problem with that just because of naturally people's short attention spans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:24   and the way people memories work is that well sure a news organization can say that they're wrong but not for long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:31   Oh we corrected it later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   But lots of people don't pay attention for the full duration of the story and they all know and I know why Sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:40   or no other news organization actually uses the slogan wrong replied. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:47   Yeah I didn't I didn't mean that like that's the banner underneath the sky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:52   That's when I think of selling point what it was like What. So OK I I you know if I was if I was in charge of some T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1492">TS</a>]

00:25:02   News organization I would try to resist that pressure but I'm not going to I'm not going to sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:08   and say oh you know what those other news organizations are terrible for doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:12   I understand structurally why it happens. I would just say I think that that's that's not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:19   I think that that doesn't that doesn't help anybody the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:23   but not for a long kind of attitude of like you made a mistake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   But you're going to going to correct it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   but I do think this kind of is kind of segues into the issue of how much time can you spend researching anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:40   Yeah and I was going to say how much I love your videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   but you are the worst person in the world to run a news network that something would happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:47   and it would be like six months later do you actually made a video about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:51   Yes that is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:52   but I would like to hear about you know where is the where is the kind of point that is a that's a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:57   thing to hear your opinion. You know you're right I would drive any. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   News organization just straight into the ground right just destroyed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:05   And yeah it's a problem because you can't research stuff forever. And news T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:12   News [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   or newspapers with a breaking story there on a certain they're on the cutting edge of one side of that the quick side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:20   But but even on the long side right so you know on average it takes me sort of five weeks to make the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:25   and they still feel rushed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   From my perspective it honestly I have never made a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:32   and thought you know boy I had just the right amount of time I have always thought I could I could use another five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:37   weeks to really iron this out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:40   But you know I have to draw a line and say no you can't spend another five weeks on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:48   You need to finish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   and just record an animated over the weekend to just get it done right you can't continue to research. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:56   I want the videos to be perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   but the the cost the way I look at it the cost of perfection is infinite in terms of time and in terms of resources. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:11   So you're always going to have to make some judgment call about how reliable is the source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:17   or how many experts do you want to contact before you're OK with this and I mean I will give you I will give you a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:29   I'll give you an example of a place where I thought my ten tendencies to continue to research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:34   and this this might sound crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   but for the last video about the CBOE effect I was really nervous about this because I felt a little bit responsible in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:44   a video like this where I'm talking about medical stuff right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:48   I'm not talking about history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:51   and I felt like there was a greater burden in a video that touches upon a medical topic to make sure that it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:59   all correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:00   Yeah and so I ended up going through a whole bunch of research archives online trying to find papers from doctors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:12   or researchers who had worked on this this know CBOE effect you know the opposite of the placebo. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:19   And I ended up sending out about twenty emails to people who had published a bunch of papers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:24   and I ended up getting I think in the end I got six people to reply and they had looked over the script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:31   and basically every one of them gave it a thumbs up and amazing for most of them I got a thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:38   and a by the way you cannot mention my name or the organization that I work for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:46   You know I can't have it be publicly known that I like gave is the thumbs up right because they face a similar kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:52   kinds of issues but they just say if I said the places where these people worked everybody would recognize the names. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1732">TS</a>]

00:29:00   But even after I'm getting thumbs up from people in the field I had this feeling of OK I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:07   but I have to really make sure I let me how many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:10   Let me wait until I get responses from more doctors or and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   and that is the point where it is clearly just insanity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:19   And I had to say OK I just have to stop there and I have a thumbs up from actual doctors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:25   I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to record the script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:28   but my nephew doing the tipping point for you kind of that kind of rational thought that you know well I can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:34   forever and I have to draw an arbitrary line. Or is it just the need to eat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:40   Well I mean that is the ugly side of the business is that at a certain point you have to pay your own bills. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:46   Right which is which is what I don't exactly have but fairly close have a monthly cycle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:52   There is there is that pressure on one side of it right I can't release one video a year because I will be homeless at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:59   that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   That just is not practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:01   but it is it is something I keep in mind very much that that the cost of perfection is infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:06   and so you have you have to draw the line somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   but with the last video it was very difficult because I was I was extra worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:14   and I think because of that I might not be doing another medical topic any time soon because that was a that was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:21   stressful experience and I was very nervous when that one went live for quite a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:27   I kept I kept waiting for some e-mail that would just you know make the whole empire crumble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:33   And fortunately it hasn't come yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   Let me ask you something else and I'm I'm not I mean I'm I'm conscious of time and we can't talk forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:39   Oh yeah I'm sure we could talk forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   But you do talk there that sort of sources and I and this does tie into things wrong on the Internet. Yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:47   How much do you trust the internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50   Will he use the Internet as a source or we only trust sources like human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:56   and I know you spent a lot time in libraries and things like that. Is can the Internet be trusted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1856">TS</a>]

00:31:00   The Internet represents a whole lot of things. So I think with where this comes up the most is like with Wikipedia. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:09   You know so right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   when I used to teach kids there was there was a fierce debate between teachers on the pro vs the anti Wikipedia side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:19   and I always came down very strongly on the pro side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:23   and I told my students if they were researching something for me like Wikipedia is totally OK copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:27   and pasting from Wikipedia is not. But there's no place to get a better overview from things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:34   You'd be amazed the number of times I've been with like top professors in the field in asking a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:39   and I said I'm not to sure about that let me check and gone straight to work. Yeah so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:45   So here's the thing either it all depends on on what do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:51   and if if you just want to check some quick fact about something which is totally reliable there's reasons why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:57   can't cite it as a source but ignoring that. For the time being. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:01   We compete for a huge number of people's needs is totally fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:06   The thing that I have and I've complained about this on Twitter sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   but the thing that I am occasionally disturbed by is if I see something interesting on a weekly article for a topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:18   that I'm pre researching I will go through the sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   and try to find the original source of some comment that is mentioned in the Wiki article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:28   or the original source of some statistic that is mentioned that extra material to talk to another day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:35   Yeah I mean that's just it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   You can't you can't you know you can't just make a video from the Wikipedia page right. It's not possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:43   But but the thing that is disturbing is the number of times that that source link doesn't go anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:49   or I have found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   and sometimes where the context of the source link says something that is completely contrary to the feeling that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1972">TS</a>]

00:33:00   got from the Wikipedia page itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:03   And so nothing in the world is perfectly reliable and it's it is hard to know when to trust a source completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:16   and you know for me again while the why we can have a conversation about newspapers all the time for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:22   General newspapers you know T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   News that that is the absolute bottom of the barrel for me right that is that is if you want an accurate representation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:35   of knowledge of the state of the world that is the worst place that you could possibly start discussing a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:41   of people with this I'm going to protest. Yes well your former work colleagues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:46   Yeah maybe don't share this with them most of my best friends though so I try to write so that that is at the bottom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:55   my list. But it but it gets really ambiguous very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2035">TS</a>]

00:34:00   And it is ultimately going to have to come down to some judgment call that I have to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04   and that's that is not easy to articulate because sometimes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:08   when you're looking at statistics the organization producing those statistics has some agenda right there pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:16   or anti something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   and I think on the Internet too often people will just dismiss that they'll say oh you can't trust it is that from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:24   organization because they're pro whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   But an interesting question is maybe they're pro whatever because because of those statistics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:33   Yeah right that you know there has to be some actual state of the universe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:38   Right there's some state of this thing that is correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   And so there's going to be some organization that is advocating for that thing because of those statistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:47   or against the thing whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:50   and that is yeah I don't have a solid answer for that it ultimately just comes down to a judgment call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:55   and it is very very hard sometimes to know who to trust. And at one point what point you have to stop. Stop looking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2095">TS</a>]

00:35:05   I will just mention one one last thing here quickly which is I wish I could come up with an example off the top of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:11   head but the number of times I've been looking at some historical stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:16   and I come across information about how some historical figure the existence of this person is not certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:25   and I find that just fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   and I think history is a topic in particular where the realm of the unknown is very large. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:35   And here's a case where I won't I won't venture venture to be wrong I'll just be vague. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:40   Yeah I know this is true for one of the Greek philosophers that there is there is a serious debate over whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:49   or not they existed or whether they were just a debating tool in the writings of other philosophers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:56   And that's probably not going to ever be solved. Yeah right. We'll never know maybe if if you know Greek philosopher X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:04   Was real or not real or if they were just a rhetorical device that was used by everyone at the time or an amalgamation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:10   Robin Hood has sort of said today this amalgamation of a whole bunch of different rogues around at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:16   and they get sort of merged into one to the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   Right that's the same kind of thing an infinite amount of research is never going to make that situation any more clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:25   that you know there's only so much data that has survived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   and you run into those kinds of situations as well which is very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:31   and sometimes very hard to talk about without trying to be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:36   or stating something too clearly which is one of the reasons why I can say my videos take a very long time because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:43   think sometimes if you listen to my wording I have chosen very careful wording to not explicitly say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:51   when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   when I run into those kinds of situations where you know maybe maybe we don't know maybe there's some amount of uncertainty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:58   about this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   and so I think very hard about how to get past something without necessarily bringing this up is a big problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:06   And I mean I guess the other thing about internet wrongness that sort of flows from that in some ways is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:12   haven't touched on is the amazing ability now for incorrect information to propagate replicate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:20   Spread wildly and it's become this crazy Google searches show that all the time day he went to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:26   and so is sighting so and so's starting zone sound you like Lagaan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:30   Oh just happened so quickly and so you know pervading. Yeah you come across these this sort of information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:38   Infinite loops where the citations just go in a circle and that is very disturbing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:45   Or it's very hard to find out the original source of the thing because it's just so convoluted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:50   and it makes you think of the quote right which jumps right into my head which is that you know the a lie gets halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:54   around the world before the truth has a chance to put pants on which is usually quoted to Winston Churchill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2274">TS</a>]

00:38:00   But if you look into that it's it is not clear where this first came from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:05   It's quoted do a whole bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   and I love that there's this quote about this spreading of incorrect information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:11   The origin of it is also uncertain and I think that's those kinds of things which is very interesting sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:18   and we live in a world where things are just uncertain it is you can't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:24   or one hundred percent I mean unless you're a mathematician I guess mathematicians know one hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:29   I think there's one thing we know almost one hundred percent and that's that at times pretty much come to an end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:34   We're going to do another one of they say What do you reckon. OK I think that sounds good I think that sounds good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:40   All right good and going to see a time there. Yeah I'll talk to later but I have to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUH-xzY/2320">TS</a>]