00:00:00 ◼ ► You know very good and I know I can normally do it it's just that you're looking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► Now wait before we can so we can start with the main topic we have to start with some follow up. Oh really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/5">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Yes What would you do previously I've already forgotten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/13">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► Well well last time we were we were talking about being wrong on the Internet being on the internet so I was left out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/16">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► now at the time we're recording this. The pod casts have not gone live so we haven't had any listener feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/22">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► It's like a secret still is and yes it is it is a very rich and the you and I know that this is just the two of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/29">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► When I was editing the previous podcast I heard myself say something that I just I had to correct in this one so I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/36">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► a note for follow up that is coming from me about last last week's episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► So you're responding to feedback from yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/50">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► Yes that's right I am responding to feedback from myself because you did something wrong in a video that being wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/52">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► and this is sort of delightful as a first up as a first follow up section is that I called the Economist The Economist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/58">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► Right now as bad as it is because the economist makes a makes a very strong point about always calling themselves a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/69">TS</a>]
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00:01:29 ◼ ► And so they like to be referred to as a newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► and so I would I have to say that as a first piece of follow up I would apologize to the economist for saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► Economist magazine I should have said The Economist newspaper. It does look more like a magazine doesn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/97">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► Yeah if you ever get your hands on one it looks totally like a magazine which is why this is this is I think going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/104">TS</a>]
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00:02:01 ◼ ► I'm sure that's going to happen lots and I went to look it up and it originally was a newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/121">TS</a>]
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00:02:22 ◼ ► So it apparently started as a newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/142">TS</a>]
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00:02:34 ◼ ► That's yeah but I don't know what to say to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/154">TS</a>]
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00:02:45 ◼ ► Well yes that's why it would not surprise me if the later episodes of this little run are basically entirely feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/165">TS</a>]
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00:05:21 ◼ ► OK that's enough from me in the future and now we're going to go back to the conversation about copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► Today we're talking about copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/327">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► Yes I think that's what we settled on for today's topic this is really interesting up from a this is really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/330">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► because this is this is a front I feel like I'm attacked on from both sides because as someone who creates content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/337">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► and therefore has to use you know use material I can sort of tread into the copyright field in that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/345">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► But then someone who actually creates content that I don't I can kind of be on the other on the receiving end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/351">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► It's going to be interesting to see to hear what positions we may or may not have on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► Yeah I'm actually I'm actually very curious to hear where you stand on this issue yourself because I think you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/364">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► might deal with it much more directly than I do. So I'm not I'm not exactly sure where to start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/370">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► I think we should say a good point is the people who may not know your position is quite well known on this I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/379">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► because you have made a video on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► And before we before we had this chat I admitted to you that I hadn't watched the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► and then so I went to have a quick look at it and it turns out I had watched the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/393">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► So I have watched the video twice once a year ago and once again today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► And you make a lot of different points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/402">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► and it's perhaps not best for me to capture a lot of them do you want to encapsulate the essence of your argument in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/405">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► OK Well that is going to have to be embarrassing because I watch my own video this morning because I couldn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► couldn't remember the video very well to be honest I was the only one you know what I remember complaining about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/418">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► After you watch this thing and I have the unusual the unusual effect of watching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/424">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► and I thought I don't think that guy is very convincing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► I'm not sure that this was this was the best possible video to be made about copyright and so I look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/434">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and I'm actually when I was watching it today I thought I'm not sure what conclusion other people would draw. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/444">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► After having watched this I having seen it I feel like I'm I I now think that I made much of a less clear point in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/452">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► video than the I think two years ago now. Me thought that I was making you want to do what I took from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/461">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► Well that's how I'm trying to lead up to this is what do you think you could just ask you could have asked me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► and what do you what do you think I was saying in that I mean you made you made a lot of points as you did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► He made a lot of points in a short space of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► The two main things I took from one of which I quite agreed with and the other one I wouldn't say I disagreed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/482">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► but it didn't sit very comfortably with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/492">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► and the one that I completely agreed with was that the argument for copyright in this increasingly this increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/495">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► amount of protection for the creators of the content to have this what if you know rigorous copyright protection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Their argument is spurious their argument that encourage the creation of more content is not a particularly valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/509">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► And I think you make that argument quite well and I can say that and I'm sure we might discuss that in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/518">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► but the other thing I took from him was yes I think it came across that you had this attitude that anyone should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/524">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► allowed to create anything from other people's creations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► You used the example of Star Wars qua along in your in your video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► and that it almost came across that you felt that anyone should be able to create their own stories their own back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► stories their own future their own modifications of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and the Star Wars universe would you know expand even more than it already has and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/551">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► I followed your argument for it but it just didn't sit comfortably with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/558">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm open to hear you talk about it some more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► But that part of your argument didn't sit comfortably with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► and I actually sat there thinking why should everyone just be able to take the Star Wars universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/571">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► or take someone else's stories and make up their own stories. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► I don't think that's encouraging creativity necessarily isn't that discouraging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► and just saying well let's just keep modifying the same old stories. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► Yeah so you picked up on the exact part that I was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/590">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► and I thought current me is not super convinced by previous muse arguments on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/593">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► On that part of it as well because I was aware that I was I was talking about telling stories in the Star Wars universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► or telling stories in the Harry Potter universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/606">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► and I thought the same thing like I'm not convinced by this this was this this could have been better you know what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/608">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► I were to redo it. Is it still your position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► So OK before before I say my explicit position I think I want to I want to just lay out a couple of things that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/620">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► OK so so copyright is a kind of intellectual property and just for terms for the rest of the conversation right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/629">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► There are three main kinds of intellectual property rights intellectual property there's copyrights patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► and trademarks rights a trademark is like Coca-Cola right you can't sell soda and call it Coca-Cola. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/648">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► That's a trademark. Nobody really has a problem with trademarks it doesn't really come up in a debate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/656">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► It's the least contentious of the three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/662">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► Yeah there's patents which I don't want to get derailed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/664">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► but just you know briefly the vague idea is that you invent something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/668">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and in the United States you get about twenty years depending on what kind of thing you get a twenty year protection on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/673">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► your invention yet and then there's copyright which is for creative works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/679">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► So not things like technology but you write a story and then you have the copyright for that story. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/685">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► Those are three kinds of things and I think here here is how I get to this position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/694">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► and I think what I was if I was going to remake that video what I might try to mold into a more concise argument is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/703">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► that I think there's a real analogy between patents expiring and copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/710">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Spring I think about it this way so the Apple Corporation invented the i Phone in two thousand and seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► What didn't happen is that you know they didn't like Steve Jobs didn't wander into the forest as a as a pure human with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/728">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► no tools or anything and like carved from stone and nothing and i Phone right. And you know people would believe that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/739">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► But yeah right like he didn't bring it down from on the mountain you know just like wrought by his own greatness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/746">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► and i Phone can only exist if you live in a world that has a certain amount of technology that has already progressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/753">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► to this point. So this is kind of standing on the shoulders of giants type argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► That's exactly right it's standing on the shoulders of giants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► and in the original keynote he actually has a little line where he's talking about Multi Touch you know the touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► the screen in multiple places and he literally says something like this is the i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/773">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► and you know yes we sure have patented the heck out of it. Yeah. Now the thing is with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/778">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► I think that the comparison to think about is that we as a society have decided that patents only last twenty years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/788">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► And so yes it is going to expire. And the reason is because you didn't make it all of yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/796">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► You over this kind of debt to everyone who came before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and the limited nature of a patent means that at some point the work that you have done will be available for people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/809">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► the future to build on as well as I can. And I think it's really it's obvious if you talk about patents. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/818">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► If you imagine a world where you know whatever the patents are for the i Phone or for the light bulb or for anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/825">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► If you think about a world where they lasted as long as copyright lasts. Yeah. Which I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► At the time of this recording I think in the United States lifetime of the creator plus seventy years I think is a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/840">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► time. It's a very long time where you can immediately see how that would just destroy technological progress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/849">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► If Alexander Graham Bell patents the telephone were here you know one hundred fifty years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/859">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► and still only the bell Corp can produce all of the telephones in America you know the sort of you sort of said a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/864">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► moment ago that the reason for the expiration of the patents was to kind of you know it's it's the debt you pay back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► those that came before. I see it more as preventing a whole bunch of dead ends everywhere you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/879">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► It stops it stops progress being played out right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/885">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► Right that's that's another good point I think this is yet this is something which is important to society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/890">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► and you apply the same thing to inventing death Neda. Right yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► So this that that's great right because I think the reason that copyrights are such a contentious issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/901">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► At least in the world of the Internet right this is a thing that comes up all the time argument over copyright law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/911">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► and it's because I think that creative works are similar to something like patents. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/917">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► It's kind of similar to like a technological progress but it's not quite the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► And so but my general thought is this is that no artistic work a book or a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/931">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► or anything exists independent from the society in which it was created. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/939">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► So there's a there's a great great great series of videos on You Tube called Everything is a remix by this guy Kirby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/947">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► Ferguson I think is his last name. Have you seen it. I haven't. It's a third of it is really worth watching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/955">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► Yeah and he just he goes through a couple of fields he does music and he does movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/962">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► and something else a three part series and he shows for example he takes Star Wars as an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/969">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► and shows how the famous like opening crawls that go at an angle the opening introduction which is so iconically Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/977">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► Wars it was not first done in Star Wars it was done in these other space movies from earlier times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/983">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► and he just shows how everything that you can you can find is built on stuff that came before it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/990">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► And in fairness to George Lucas who took he has taken a beating from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► when he made the Star Wars movies in the Indiana Jones movies he was always very open about how much they droop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► and oh yeah those cereals and things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► Yeah yeah this is something that I think is is really interesting is that people in the field are totally aware of this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► But directors definitely mentioned that's where you can find tons of interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► or people saying they're recreating scenes shot for shot from old movies. Yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► You're building on the past and they almost take a pride in it and I like it. Yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► And so to me there's a there's a similar kind of of almost like a societal debt the same way with patents right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► You couldn't just have made Star Wars all on your own right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► Or you know people who write books like the the world of literature depends on what has come before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► It doesn't just exist in isolation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► So it's almost like a tax is it almost like you know the price you pay from society enriching you enough to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► Harry Potter is that one day they get Harry Potter back. Well I really don't like the phrasing of of attacks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► It's explicitly a motive I'll give you now but that's that's why you're good at asking questions right. I do not I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1071">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Like then that phrasing because I will try to argue against it right here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► Here's the thing that I think is easy to forget is that copyright is a is a constructed thing right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► We don't have to live in a world where copyright exists it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► Copyright is a temporary monopoly over the distribution of a creative work enforced by the government wherever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► Yeah right so it is a thing that is legally created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► and I think once you start talking about incentives on a governmental level you have to start thinking about what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► they for. I think without a doubt more artistic works are created because copyright exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► Right which might not be the impression that everybody gets from my videos based on the comments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► Definitely definitely not rightly run slightly against the feeling of that video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Right and so people watch that video and they think that I am I am a copyright abolitionist is the usual term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► but I want to get rid of all copyrights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► and that is that is actually not my position at all I think that if there if there were no copyrights there would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► be artistic works created by people would still paint and write books and things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► but I don't think that there would be as many large scale expensive projects brought to bear like a Star Wars right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► Well I love Star Wars and I'm glad Star Wars exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► and I'm pretty sure that nobody no no studio would have invested the amount of money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► or to make something like that if there was any kind of copyright protection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► Even back in one nine hundred seventy seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► when the technology of distribution was horrific compared to how it is today it still wouldn't have made financial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► sense to make it. If eaters could have just you know taken reels from each other and displayed it everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► The problem that I have is with the functionally infinite position that copyright has now that basically copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► but every time it's come up where something might start entering the public domain copyright has been extended another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► ten twenty years you know whatever it is depending on the particular law so that that is the problem that I have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► it as I think we should have a limited copyright but I would definitely not be in favor of removing copyright entirely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► I think that that would have a detrimental effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Do you have a number in mind here or are you just saying that the balance of power is inadequate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► When can I take your U.K. Video and upload it to my own channel. Right right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► I don't I don't I'm not necessarily interested in arguing where the boundaries should be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► Yeah because I feel like any numbers that I would come up with would be just semi arbitrary right here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► I don't have any idea what the optimal number would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► and I also think it's a weird situation because the optimal number for someone like myself who depends on copyright for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► a living on You Tube might be very different from a multi-million dollar multi-year film project like to get off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Star Wars like The Lord Of The Rings right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► God knows how much those movies cost to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► and you know if you ask the studio executives It may turn out that they're actually counting on a ten year return on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► their money for it considering a project like that I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► So I guess it my intuitive feeling is that anything less than five years I would feel like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► That seems very small and anything more than a hundred years would feel like Gosh that's a long time. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► But between between those two boundaries I'm much more interested in just copyright being limited that I am in exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► If if United States tomorrow said we're just setting Copyrighted one hundred years I would consider that a huge victory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► I would think that would be great if they if there was an actual cutoff point for when things enter the public domain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► What inspired you to make that copyright video you did make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► Like was it was a frustration you are having trying to source material for your own videos was it where you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► write your own stuff like comical. What fun if you have a better quality about didn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► Yeah it was it was the secret Star Wars fan fiction that I wanted to write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► No no that was not the reason I had to look back at the exact timeline but that was around the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► when I was beginning to take making videos more seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► and so I was running into copyright problems more often in the sense of limitations of things that just can't be used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► Sometimes that word just seemingly absurdly old stuff that still couldn't be used recently by some image you might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Yeah the image is something that I come across the most often where you know it even trying to track down the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► who took this image would be a daunting task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► but since I like to play it relatively safe you know find some image from you know one nine hundred thirty six you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► and you can't use that even though the photographer is almost certainly not around anymore because that still falls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► under you know the copyright length in the United States. So I think that that can be partly partly a frustration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► Are you ever a victim like we were sort of talking about these big hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Nations they these big baddies like you create content and presumably it gets appropriated sometimes inappropriately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► Why do you if you find yourself as are being protected by this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► Oh yeah all the time and in my own in my own work I am I am like the big baddie in the scenario. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► Much much more than I am the victim. Right so I I am really cautious about using anything under fair use rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► I do not mean to me in a minute I might have you in a minute on that. I am I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► Let's just say I am I am not a lawyer and I am not giving legal advice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► But I I rely on the fair use doctrine as little as humanly possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► The risks of being on the end of some kind of of copyright problem are are large but on the flip side though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► and I was just doing this today. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1498">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► This happened today and this happens very often which is someone who is easy is what happens on You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► but someone somewhere uploads my video to their own channel. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► And that that happens very often and very often they upload it with ads turned on as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► Right so now the video that I have made is on someone else's channel and they're running ads on top of it to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► and make money out of your creation. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► Yes let's let's just say yes I'm not even entirely sure that that's always the explicit goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► but that is what is happening anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and one of the things that frustrates me to no end is I this this phrase that I see all the time on the Internet which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► I think is really interesting and it is copyright not intended you know and so some someone will upload the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► and then below in the description they will say. Copyright not intended. This video I didn't make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► Yeah and maybe if you know it's a good day there's a link to my actual channel but very very rarely there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's especially hilarious if I find like a full feature length film uploaded somewhere you know so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and I see like oh Lord Of The Rings Return of the king uploaded by Jock dude seventy six right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► And in the description it says no copyright intended you know this this was made by Universal Pictures or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► Gerry the coziest broadcast copy got no intended I'm going to be very disappointed in you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► OK I think I think that will be the title. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► And I think this is very interesting because I'm sure I'm going to take these people at their word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► and that people think that copyright is a kind of attribution system right so I'm not taking the glory for my right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1612">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► but I'm not taking the glory for making return of the King I just want to be clear I didn't make this last seven years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► they went right for minute there I thought you were awesome. Yeah I think that's amazing Why don't you make more now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► Yeah and so I think that that's how people think of copyright you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► Whereas from from my perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► and of course from Studio perspectives the power of copyright is really the control over distribution. Yes right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► And so this is where like I was saying before that that monopoly power from the government comes from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► I am able to limit the distribution of my videos to You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► and I do that because You Tube has the best kind of agreement with advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► and so that is how I'm able to make money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► Yeah that's how I make my living and that's that's where the power of copyright comes from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► So what do you do when you have a copyright untended do you know he said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► Yeah I mean the thing is I do I do flag it right I will flag those for copyright you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► and it's such it's a complicated issue because I used to try to much more than I do now I still do sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► but I used to try to contact people and and give them the benefit of the doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and say you know hey I'm not sure if you're aware but I you know I would like you to take down the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► But it's reached a point where it is just not practically possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► Trying to keep track of who have I contacted How long has it been since I've heard from them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► Yeah and so this is where I do feel kind of like a jerk especially when it's obvious that it's on I'm like not a scam E. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► Channel right it's on just some some person's channel about about some high school kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► or someone who you know is a fan of something. Yeah I do feel kind of bad about that but the problem is that this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► The reason I do take those things down is because they do represent a kind of threat to my ability to make a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► and it's that I have had videos of mine that are not on my channel that do go viral. Yeah right and that is just awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► So I've had I've had videos of mine that were uploaded to other places that literally ended up getting hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► thousands of views on another location. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► That's why at this point if I come across it like I will flag those things you know especially if it's clearly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► but I just I do I do feel kind of like a jerk doing that even though I think that is the purpose of of copyright is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► limit the distribution so that content creators can earn a living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► It's a difficult situation especially for people who make sort of the kind of education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► and you in the night because it's people who say well you should just be glad that one hundred thousand people of Santa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► video you're all about spreading the knowledge and the love in the nation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► But you know you've got it you've got eight and pay the rent and and those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► and I think people people forget that and you know it's hard because like you say you are not looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► but I don't know if people realize that what do you what do you do under that circumstance that comes up with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► Well I sort of sometimes I will flag it was that to be honest with the procedure that you put you through to complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► about someone re uploading a video machine or something or that is actually quite laborious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► and I don't know one's really fancy filling out all the forms and I do know something you don't know. Now OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► This is something we should discuss later is this is this too much minutia for the for the average listener that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► I'll ask about that later so I can just I can say very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► I use a program called Text expander which allows you to fill out forms like that automatically every time so I have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► all plugged in so I just have to hit a keyboard command and it basically fills up a whole form for me automatically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► You are like the most efficient man in the universe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► when you start having to do a lot of these things you find a way to do it faster than we should do that as a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► one day. Great efficiencies because you're talking about other ones in the past that you did that I completely love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► We must make a note of that but anyway I imagine a lot to be the most awesome or the most boring episode ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► But you know I will see we'll see we'll get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► but you know you generally flag it only I will flag it sometimes sometimes I mean I I mean I have to do the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► thousand videos cos my channels and it does get to the point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► It's difficult but oh we'll all go to you know I sometimes someone to lean on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► and say Now you know where they've done this in and out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► but I do have issues with fair use as well because the other thing that people seem to be quite keen on these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► along with copyright intended is to say I'm using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► and a face as though those words themselves are just the magic incantation that makes it very use Exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► and also you know a word like fair means it must be fair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► Right I think I think that is something people are really exploiting in an unfair way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► and again I don't think you know I think fair use has become the new way of saying well I couldn't possibly have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► this myself or I couldn't have shot this myself or obtained this myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► and therefore once I reach the point where I can't do it myself it is fair for me to take it from someone else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► Yeah and I don't think that's what faith means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► or the other thing I think people started doing is because you know some of us are in a position where we've managed to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► Create a piece of footage or something that is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► or exceptional people think Gee I'd love to use that in one of my videos that way that will help make me successful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► I will build my video around that and that cold right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► Say yes you know this is obviously the case for you know people like gaston and myself to an extent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► When you start using high speed cameras. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► Oh yeah yeah some of the some of the stuff that you guys have made I mean that it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► That's some serious equipment to get those shots. They don't they don't just happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► Yeah but then some I will just take this and say well I'm using this under fair use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► when clearly that is using it because you know they think it's in their interest to have something exceptional in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► video and you know this is I think people don't really know what to do with face these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► and you know I'm not a lawyer either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► and I certainly don't want to get into an argument with the sort of people who hide behind face because they tend to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Quite difficult people from experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► but I do think these things pick is being a bit silly you know I mean I have used things on the ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and I think there's a way to do it and why not. And some people are in the way not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I just I just pulled up the sort of the guidelines for fair use in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► and then there's a bunch of things and again not a lawyer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► but the ones that I think are the most relevant here are is you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► or not the person who's using your material is doing it commercially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► That's and that's an immediate count against it possibly being fair use right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► Are you running as a new channel using somebody else's stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► Well guess what you're going to have a way harder time proving that that's fair use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► but the one that I think is really relevant is and again this is for the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► Courts is whether or not the other person's use affects the market for the original material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2092">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► and so I think that this example is like what happens to me where sometimes I see organizations use a section of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► Yeah right and maybe a couple you know seconds of my video would be totally fair use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► but if you take that core explanation part. And play that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► That's an argument for saying like you have just appropriated the reason people would watch the thing in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► place. Yeah. Or they're like with some of those slow motion videos that are amazing. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► The big video that you made is built around that slow motion part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► And so if somebody else uses that that sounds a whole lot like it doesn't matter if it's only a two second clip if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► the heart of what the original thing was that strongly counts against A possibly being fair use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► So I you know I try to when I use stuff I try really hard to keep those guidelines in mind and if I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► A copyright video I have a single note you know the opening note from Star Wars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► Yeah and I looked through the guidelines and it's like OK I am using it for commercial which counts against me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► but there is there is no there is no court in the United States who is ever going to argue that somebody watch my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► copyright video and didn't feel the need to watch Star Wars because the opening note was in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► Yeah I have not replaced or stolen the value from Star Wars by using that opening notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► but even still I I thought even very long and hard about even doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► but it's ultimately with the fair use stuff what makes it so hard is that there isn't a solid guide line that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► use the ultimate arbiter as is a court you know a court of law and that's just uncomfortable for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► Yeah and you know and who wants to get lawyers involved in Maine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► Yeah it's pretty easy stealing stuff from you because you know we haven't got much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2215">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► and we don't we can't be employing lawyers I don't often see them stealing like you know a game seven of the World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► Series and putting that up when you choose face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► Right I know they going to get it in the neck but they felt so pinch it from people here then I went to take them on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► Yeah I was trying it hated vs frustrating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► Yeah I was going to say very quickly that the worst I will not name specific names for various reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► but the worst worst I have found at stealing my stuff are newspapers by far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► So the online editions of newspapers Yeah are they are the the most shameless takers of You Tube contents I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► believe how shameless they are on a simple and I've got a nice little set of tricks they used to like every time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► Yeah like the whole I love one of my favorites is that I will take the video I like put it into their own player so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► they can commercially exploited it put it on their new record you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► As you know within that twenty four hours that you contact them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► and say What the heck you doing you know at the very least could you embed the huge my You Tube video so that at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► you know if you want to showcase the video you don't need to put on your play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► and I'll be not sorry sorry it was a mix up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► They always rise and excite the make up every time every time it happened dozens of times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► Yeah it was a mix that we meant to put the embed in bed if you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► and we'll replace it now so they take out their version in the play and replace it with your You Tube version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► But of course by then it's no longer on the front page of the of the Web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and the all the impressions of happened and all the traffic is gone away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► Yeah that's exactly it because they know the first twenty four hours are the ones that are the valuable ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► and so they'll just delay and delay until they can see the traffic has dropped off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► and you know then then they'll replace it if you're lucky. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► But newspapers are by far the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and my guests here's my guess about this is that I think they're under just tremendous financial constraints because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► changing technology. Yeah but they also don't have the same kind of oversight that a T.V. News organization would have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► News organization would have enough infrastructure to say listen guys let's not risk this you know where where in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► video industry world this is a bigger problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► and so I think newspapers are at this interesting crux where they're just they're under a lot of pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► and maybe don't have the same kind of oversight as as video news would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► but anyway I just I was I to complain about the news if I possibly can and I use papers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► You know they're not exactly they're not earning my love with another religion another who is a who we both know who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► won't name but he said that the table as well and he he studied to get I think more hard about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► and then writing to the papers and say yeah OK buddy thanks replacing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► but that's not good enough you didn't pay me to say what you just did and he's had some success with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► and I've started to say OK so I think that I kind of maybe they're realizing that it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2393">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► Scandalous and the lies and anyway I'm not going to you know used to work for a tabloid newspaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► You know I'm I'm not going to sit here with you and you know we will eventually will talk about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► and then we can let it all pour out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► It's all for out there very naughty very naughty very naughty a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► and they are very sparing in giving of you know links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► or credit as well you know I had one I had one video that was all I could say were videos it was the one where I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► into the Bank of England gold bullion vote and obviously that was that's not and I think you see every day right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► A few people wanted to use and I had one newspaper contact me and say can we use the video in an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► and we want to put it and I'm player and I said oh no can you please use the cheap so that people watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► and you know they going to watch the same video anyway and I was like OK I will think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and because that's just let me know I specifically told him they couldn't put it in airplane conversations that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► couldn't go back on that and instead I think they must've taken ten fifteen screen grabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► and just made a huge picture gallery and all the pictures from it's like you know goodness sake. So naughty. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► OK Well while we've been complaining about all of these these things we might never be stuck right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► However if anyone is still survive listening through claims of You Tubers right first world You Tuber problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I would just go I would go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► when one of the little notes that I wanted to make is the advantage of allowing copyright to expire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► and you know you talked about. Why should people be able to build on on George Lucas is stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► and I think what are some examples of this which is very interesting if you can retell store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2512">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► He's in much more interesting ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► and I have I have two examples that I really like the first one is might be slightly embarrassing I'm going to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► anyway. Is the I think it's one nine hundred ninety six movie called clueless soaring right down. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► Which is one of those movies when I first saw it and I thought this was just the dumbest movie ever made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and for anyone who hasn't seen it I highly recommend that you do watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► but it is on the surface it is basically a movie about the dumbest California Valley Girls you've ever seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► Yeah and the exploits of their life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► However later on I came to find out that the clue this is a remake of Jane Austen's Emma right that it is the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► plot of Emma just moved to this different setting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► And once you know that I think the movie Clueless becomes kind of brilliant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► I think if they would say Snoopy varies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► and that's like Oh I wasn't willing to admit I like this film until I realized it was based on something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► Oh well they must. Yes I will totally admit that that that does sound terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► I've often heard it said they were sort of Jane Austen's stuff was considered reasonably not that highbrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► and it's time as well. Yeah I've heard that kind of stuff and I've heard some his fantasies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► Yeah and I don't I don't know either but I've heard similar things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and of course you know thing things gain respect through time you know just because it's old it's sort of awesome Don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► But so I so this is an example where I think clueless is the kind of movie that could be made right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► Yeah and you can do interesting things with that story by moving it to a different setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► and I think that there are there is cultural value. In being able to do new things with iconic characters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► Right that I think at a certain point very successful films and very successful books. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► and that is also why I'm kind of very much for some eventual limit on copyright that so that more can be done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► A second example that I have which I only recently discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► and I had one of these binge watching Sessions is the B.B.C.'s remake of Sherlock the Sherlock Holmes series. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► How could I have seen them so I think actually as we are talking the season three finale is airing on the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► Right now which I'm going to. Yeah but I basically only discovered these about a month ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► Yeah and I watched the first one and and I was like I can't stop watching how right I have to keep watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► and I've just been watch the first two and a half seasons available at that point and it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► and I think that this is another example of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► Sherlock Holmes is so much more than the original author ever intended him to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► Right he's like he is such a part of the of like the Anglosphere culture at this point that I think that it is fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► enough to say that that his character belongs in the public domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► and other people can do things with this kind of story I mean surely among other the best example because I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► there's lots of clever nuanced notes to the kind in the books but is this not just a case again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► and I should work on the best example but I'll run with that. Is this not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Case of someone you know has some clever story tellers and good actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► and good directors making a brilliant piece of film something that's compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► but then just appropriating a famous name and brand that has worked its way into culture to help sell their product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► I mean you could you could make as bunch of rip roaring detective films just like that you know a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► and his assistant that would that would be on the surface be just as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► but less people would watch it because it hasn't got an iconic name like Sherlock and things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► So in some ways I see what you're saying that you're building on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and you're building on things in culture in another way so I think that just being the being a bit lazy then making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► something good but then there are paling to our culture which doesn't like anything unless it's already famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► and stamping that on in much the same way when you make a science documentary on the B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► No matter what the topic is you're like what we can't do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► and this is someone who's already famous presenting it that is stamping fame on things because their culture is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► obsessed with fame. So I think I think that's getting off into a different argument about about fame right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and also I think the you know there's some great some great charts about the number of sequels right that have been made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► in movies recently and this the similar kind of idea that people want to buy what they already know. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► And my my opinion on the bad sequels thing is like I don't care how many bad sequels are made I only care about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► good sequels because I don't have to watch the bad sequels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► and my opinion is that yeah there's a bunch of stuff that's made that people watch it because of Sherlock Holmes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and now I have another great Sherlock Holmes example which is the Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes movie which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► watched only because it was a Sherlock. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Home is moving you know I started to watch for that race and I had to stop after about twenty minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► There's no reason I would have watched that movie if it was not a Sherlock Holmes movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► That's like I found it moderately enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► but they would have not gotten my money if it was not for a Sherlock Holmes name on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► Right because I've read the Sherlock Holmes stories like and I'm interested in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► and so I wanted to see that interpretation which I like I know it's OK But you know I didn't watch the second one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► But to me the B.B.C. Sherlock is the shining example of what you can do and I think that those those stories are great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► They're made better because it's Sherlock Holmes because you can see like what changes have they made to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► characters or what have they kept the same. You know what's different now that they've moved it into a modern setting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► I think it gains value from contrast with the originals that it wouldn't have if it was a standalone piece. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2933">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► Yeah and so that's why I I think it's it's great that people can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► and although it will it will never happen I would love it if there was you know like say the copyright limit was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► At sixty years that when I was older I could watch somebody redo the original Star Wars movies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► I I think that like there is room for them to be redone in an awesome way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► But with current copyright lasting forever that will never happen you know and that will never be able to occur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► Yeah so we just have to put up with have George Lucas himself maybe see films. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► and again this is why George Lucas is always like the easy one to pick on right because he made new Star Wars movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► and they have been generally they have been generally panned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► And here's here's the thing right I generally pass that was a very diplomatic statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/2993">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► But his thing is I don't hold any grudges against him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► and here's one of the other things with going back to like one allows us to make our living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► The control over the distribution of this Star Wars comes up for a very particular reason copyright debates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► and it's it's partly because the power of the control of the distribution is what has allowed George Lucas to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► prevent showings of the original Star Wars movies as they first aired Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► Right and this is this again as I could not be a more first world kind of problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► but if you are a person who kind of cares about the cultural history of the world you know if you're looking at movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► for example. Star Wars is undoubtedly a moment in that cultural history. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► Yeah but you cannot get the original versions of those Star Wars very naughty. It's very naughty of him isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► and I think that's where a lot of the resentment comes from as people think you know nobody begrudges is making those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► new movies like you know I think nobody rivaled I begrudge a little bit I would say I hold no I hold no ill will in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► heart for the making of those movies like this is the same thing that is in my mind just fall into the category of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► bad things I don't have to watch the bad things I saw them once. I will never see them again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► But what I you know I've been watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► but if you see them once I'm sorry I know this isn't about style until watching the originals again likely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► they're on telly and I love them so I watch them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► and things that happen in the originals now kept giving me flashbacks to those subsequent Precourt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► and it was tainting the originals for me because I was thinking they just they didn't exist. OK And here I go on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Yeah I was also not related but one of my podcasting heroes. Call John Syracuse who I adore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► He is a huge Star Wars nerd and he has kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► and what I love is that he is simply denying the existence of the original three movies within his household. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► but his strategy apparently is to have his kids exist long enough without ever having seen them that they will be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► to distinguish between the good originals and there are terrible prequels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► Yeah because I ran across this in my students enough work where kids who saw them in similar time frames were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► necessarily able to distinguish one from the other which is horrifying to me. Yeah but anyway we're getting derailed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► So what I would say is that that is one of the problems is that the power of the control of distribution in this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► particular case has has led to some cultural problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► Yeah and that's that is that is the reason why I picked George Lucas as an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► and in my video is because this is such a fundamental problem it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► If there were limited copyright there would be hope. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► The original format of the movies entering back into into the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► and this is one of the reasons why Congress has extended copyright protections is because their argument is it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► the creators encouragement to preserve their original works for longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► and there's some interesting data that says that's not actually the case that what happens is the original works just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► get lost over longer periods of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► But in this particular case with George Lucas It's also very obvious that the original work gets distorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► and you know it is increasingly hard to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► and find as it aired in one nine hundred seventy seven versions of the original movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► I personally have never seen this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► but I have heard that on the Internet you might be able to find somewhere a thing called. The Star Wars D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3233">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► Specialized editions where super fans have taken the current Star Wars movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and tried to make them as close as possible to the original cinematic releases as they have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► Again I would not know where to acquire such a thing because it would obviously be copyright infringement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► and it would be frowned upon as creative as a creator myself I could never condone such an action for such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► incredibly important historical thing that I personally love you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► So I will I will take the high road here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► but I'm just like throwing it out there that there exists this thing called the Star Wars the specialized addition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► I'll tell you something else. I mean obviously I'm imagining you sane people vs George Lucas film I actually have not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► Well I highly highly recommend it's on my list of some I'll be doing what we just discussed I can't recommend highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► enough but also for people out there who are probably like gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► and I had spent way too much time reading Wikipedia articles reading it the story of the Zapruder film. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► Of the Kennedy assassination. Oh yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► Very interesting when it comes to you know copyright and ownership of material and things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► That's a really interesting story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► Well I'm sure we won't go into it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► but if if if after this podcast they poured it on rates I think that's a good rate as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► Let me ask you a final question because obviously we've been going for the hair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► If you were going to make another copyrighted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► and whole remake your original one of course you would preserve the original for the archives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► but I don't know I will tell you different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► I didn't think you'd say differently or do you think you pretty much have the same position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► I I was thinking about that earlier today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► and I don't know that the argument that I want to be made can be made within the context of the of the kinds of videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► I put on You Tube a coherent argument for limited copyright is hard to make because I think that it is a it is a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► gray area of law. It requires a large amount of time and it's also a topic that there is no clearly correct answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► And as a as a as a little example I just want to throw into that to put that point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► There's a thought process that I learned when I was doing physics back at university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► and it's this question of in certain situations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► Take the problem to infinity and take the problem to zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► and so say you know what would a world be like if we had infinite copyright if Congress just said The heck with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► extensions we're just literally going to make it forever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► or we have a world where Congress says you know no copyright at all at zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► And when I think of those two worlds if I had to pick I'd pick the world with the infinite copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► I think there would be there would be problems with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► but I think that is preferable to a world with zero copyright protection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► And so that that that is kind of one of the way that that gets me to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► I am for limited copyright protection I am not for no copyright protection. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► But I'll put a link in the blog post for this episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► But there is a very very interesting TED talk by a woman talking about the fashion industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► and how in the United States at least fashion designs do not have copyright protection at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► So the fashion industry is a world where there is zero copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and she makes a very convincing argument that this is nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► but beneficial to the fashion world because it encourages tremendous turnover of styles right that if one company comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► out with a particular style of dress there's a delay in time before other companies can come out with it too simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► because of ramping up manufacturing capabilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► Yeah but it means that everybody has to keep generating new things much more quickly and then this leads into my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3471">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► It's hard to have a definitive opinion because I am convinced that the fashion industry is better off without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► copyright protection and I think there's some very specific reasons why that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► but I don't I don't think that same argument applies in other creative fields. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► So it's a very complicated very complicated issue. I think if nothing else we have shown that it is complicated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► Now as always it has been a pleasure. All right next up yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUmyvmM/3506">TS</a>]