00:00:10 ◼ ► But I realize just today that this is episode number five which means that we are halfway towards our experimental [TS]
00:00:20 ◼ ► limit of ten episodes so we're fifty percent of the way through this at this stage we're getting a lot of comments [TS]
00:00:28 ◼ ► and questions about what happens beyond ten. You can have a myspace comments. Yes I have definitely seen them. [TS]
00:00:40 ◼ ► You know what I'm going to go overseas again and some poor food and keel over. Yes that's partly true. [TS]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and I am also mainly worried that we will just run out of things to talk about you know maybe that will make it to [TS]
00:01:01 ◼ ► So that's that part of the reason why we have these ten episodes a number is to see if we can even make it that far [TS]
00:01:08 ◼ ► like that awkward silence on a date or something when you get to that point do you realize I have nothing left to say. [TS]
00:01:13 ◼ ► Yes follow up from last time or follow up from what's come before. Got anything on anything you want to talk about. [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► but before I forget I wanted to mention that I was very happy to see that a couple of people found out the kind of [TS]
00:01:35 ◼ ► little secret of our intro. It's not a song but our intro sound that plays right at the beginning. [TS]
00:01:43 ◼ ► but I will just say that there is there is something interesting to be found out about that intro sound if you are [TS]
00:01:49 ◼ ► paying attention and I have seen some commenters figure it out and well done to those commenters are very pleased. [TS]
00:01:55 ◼ ► I wasn't sure if anyone would ever notice but a couple people did so that may be very happy. [TS]
00:02:05 ◼ ► and he does a bunch of the music for your videos in particular as the guy the guy's a genius and stories. [TS]
00:02:15 ◼ ► but hey he's really good at making making that music look really good on the piano especially I really like his piano [TS]
00:02:25 ◼ ► The chemistry Yule log he did he did it was that was not the thing the thing I love that with without him is like in [TS]
00:02:37 ◼ ► World you know there's only so many things we can do and we often ask for help tightly from the writers [TS]
00:02:43 ◼ ► and it's so brilliant that so pretty I thought how much they help us you know these days volunteers [TS]
00:02:48 ◼ ► but the thing is because they are volunteers and everyone in the world is busy they do things on the road [TS]
00:02:58 ◼ ► There's been times where I've been like filming in a cemetery and I've sent him an email [TS]
00:03:04 ◼ ► or could really use this piece of music that kind of creates the atmosphere of me walking around a cemetery [TS]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and before I get back to like my house on my hotel he's like play that and record of the you know to me [TS]
00:03:19 ◼ ► And then to your local police as well as as he said he made this hour long film which I would recommend people watch [TS]
00:03:35 ◼ ► and just played the music live too not like he just watched it and reacted to what he was seeing on the screen [TS]
00:03:45 ◼ ► and if you do watch it that is the that is the best reason to watch it just to see just to see just what you guys [TS]
00:03:52 ◼ ► playing. Like this guy just watching this for the first time and making the music. [TS]
00:04:02 ◼ ► and recommend the people got it because it is it is others it is the most different kind of yule log you will ever see [TS]
00:04:09 ◼ ► For that reason but yeah the music that goes along with it is quite good so he's great he's Diana thank you. [TS]
00:04:20 ◼ ► and I went through a very large number of different sounds and eventually selected that one [TS]
00:04:25 ◼ ► and I think I think it's working pretty well as the opening so I had to recruit he created loads of design I went [TS]
00:04:34 ◼ ► and it turns out that finding good sounds is surprisingly is surprisingly hard to do so anyway I was very happy to see [TS]
00:04:45 ◼ ► In that intro sound that we have so I just want to mention that and that is there for other people to try [TS]
00:04:57 ◼ ► or I did a call for reviews from different countries around the world if we can get them in the i Tunes store [TS]
00:05:07 ◼ ► and so I'm very pleased to see that we've got four new countries that have left reviews in the i Tunes stores [TS]
00:05:19 ◼ ► So thanks to the listeners in those places who have you been to any of those places that I have been I have been to [TS]
00:05:26 ◼ ► fifty percent of those places where I have been to Japan and I have been to Norway [TS]
00:05:34 ◼ ► and I have to say that I liked I liked both of those trips for very different reasons. [TS]
00:05:48 ◼ ► and then Norway is basically the opposite right of just nature in every direction an absolutely astounding nature in [TS]
00:05:55 ◼ ► every direction so I've been to two of those places have you. Any of those places I have been to too as well. [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► It's bit of a favor and I have been to Israel and Israel I was such an amazing place. [TS]
00:06:15 ◼ ► If unlucky history you've got to that's a good place I was going to say right because you have been there for Bible [TS]
00:06:23 ◼ ► Yes my you just basically I realize you bring up all my channels like pretending to be nice [TS]
00:06:29 ◼ ► but really you're just mocking me for having so many channels I am not mocking I am envious. [TS]
00:06:40 ◼ ► What was what was OK So you told me once about the little ladder in that in Israel. [TS]
00:06:49 ◼ ► Oh yes that is that's in Jerusalem that's the I think it's called the Church of the holy sceptical. [TS]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and because this is really important place where it's the church is supposedly built over there. [TS]
00:07:10 ◼ ► Sort of the crucifixion and the burial of a cross body home and I'm going to go into that [TS]
00:07:20 ◼ ► and so it's really important to all these different denominations of Christianity. [TS]
00:07:24 ◼ ► So they all have different parts of it like the Greek Orthodox Christians might have that alcove over there [TS]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and that little that little section of the church there belongs to these people and it's a real little. [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► Sometimes it can be a real little Turner for its aims and very famously there is this ladder [TS]
00:07:41 ◼ ► and if you look it up on Wikipedia and everywhere you go you can read all about it it's like it's really famous. [TS]
00:07:46 ◼ ► There was this lad just a small workman's flat outside sort of on a roof near a window [TS]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and I don't know what for maybe someone was doing some painting or something and then there was this big dispute about. [TS]
00:08:01 ◼ ► I can remember the date but it got to the point when no one could move or touch the letter [TS]
00:08:10 ◼ ► So you carried out it looks like there's this some workman has left his letter there but it's been there for tens [TS]
00:08:16 ◼ ► and tens of years and it's going to be interesting stories behind it and someone once moved [TS]
00:08:22 ◼ ► but it's a great I mean it's a great example of you know tensions within religion I guess [TS]
00:08:28 ◼ ► but I think we should turn this into a business partly because I'm definitely not going to the comments. [TS]
00:08:34 ◼ ► Yeah I know that the comments come as will be delicate might be the best way to put it. [TS]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and that was I saw that one of your bible text leaders I think the the comments could not be more delicate than the [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► If you appreciate my phrasing of it but you wanted a different word than infringing to describe [TS]
00:09:11 ◼ ► when something like a newspaper really hosts one of our videos and puts their own ads on it [TS]
00:09:18 ◼ ► and earns money off of it that you you didn't like the word infringing to describe this activity because you thought [TS]
00:09:24 ◼ ► that it was like a wimpy word and you wanted something meaner is that is that fair. [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► Well maner is not the word I would use. Then make one thing clear from the start. This all started because of you. [TS]
00:09:36 ◼ ► Yes And you calling it stealing. That is exactly right and I think that was a Freudian slip. [TS]
00:09:42 ◼ ► Well and I think I know I think you have secretly your subconscious has nailed your true colours to the mast [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► His casualties saying things that upon reflection you think that is not there is not what my actual position is. [TS]
00:10:09 ◼ ► So yes you are correct that I was inaccurate in my first descriptions but I think that it is a side issue. [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► You know you are looking for a different word. Let me let me say a few other things. [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► Yeah Intellectually I understand between going up and punching some grandmother in the face and taking a handbag [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► and stealing one of those videos and putting it online because I call it stealing. [TS]
00:10:54 ◼ ► I mean I think what a big tabloid newspaper does to us is probably worse than what some you know a starving child might [TS]
00:11:17 ◼ ► But you did tell me I mean I think you can talk about this again Greg you said it's like i pod casts that evolving [TS]
00:11:26 ◼ ► conversation. So that's why we all keep on. So here we go again. I have been reading people's comments. [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► when you take a look you know dictionary definitions of infringing you see words like encroaching and undermining [TS]
00:11:52 ◼ ► and contravening And I think these are these are software it's these are words that are cushioning. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Cushioning the blow hole or obscuring severity I mean you think but maybe it's just me [TS]
00:12:06 ◼ ► and I know it is semantics anyway and maybe I've just always misunderstood the word infringing [TS]
00:12:20 ◼ ► and ideas you know I think they're just humoring me I think they'll think I'm an idiot [TS]
00:12:25 ◼ ► and it is humoring me by coming up with these words. No it's obvious everyone agrees with you. [TS]
00:12:31 ◼ ► Well I think people reading through the comment I think the general consensus was that I am I think I would say it's [TS]
00:12:42 ◼ ► but there were a fair number of people who did like this idea of trying to come up with some different word that [TS]
00:12:53 ◼ ► Oh yeah you have a word I'm going to throw one into the mix OK and it's not perfect [TS]
00:13:03 ◼ ► Freebooting freebooting freebooting because basically it was inspired by a few people saying different things [TS]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and he told me about piracy and when I went and looked up words associated with piracy [TS]
00:13:17 ◼ ► and I came along I came across this word freebooting which is to do with piracy and looting and taking things [TS]
00:13:24 ◼ ► and I like that it's got the word free in it because they're taking things and you know taking things without paying. [TS]
00:13:36 ◼ ► and a cowboy activity so I mean I'm going to put a freebooting out there I guess I assume that this was a word that you [TS]
00:13:43 ◼ ► were just made up that we're going to undermine a freebooting like that the witch unary even has to say about that. [TS]
00:13:55 ◼ ► So freebooter is a type of pirate and freebooting. He is engaged in piracy or plunder. [TS]
00:14:02 ◼ ► Now those freebooters taken our videos are sick of it for you know this phrase are you saying it's a serious issue. [TS]
00:14:18 ◼ ► I think these freebooters if you sound citizen fear I fear ridiculous that we're still talking about this [TS]
00:14:26 ◼ ► but anyway on out now it's not ridiculous punk ass punk I think go on forever about these kinds of things. [TS]
00:14:33 ◼ ► It's funny because the reason you like it is I think the reason I don't like it which is the free part in the beginning. [TS]
00:14:45 ◼ ► but it is interesting that you found a word that is related related to piracy which is sort of related to infringement [TS]
00:14:52 ◼ ► you know obvious and I was not the same thing people put it in the same it in the same world of acting. [TS]
00:14:59 ◼ ► I love the looting is it the the booting is a strong point of the free in the weakness the fray doesn't make it does [TS]
00:15:05 ◼ ► again soften the blow of it saying that freestyle you know makes a sound a bit fun and nice you know free wheeling. [TS]
00:15:16 ◼ ► I was just looking at through some of the alternatives and they all have problems. [TS]
00:15:26 ◼ ► Yeah there were a few that I thought might might not be bad but freebooting is a genuinely new one that is coming [TS]
00:15:35 ◼ ► and so it is coming without any kind of baggage so it's interesting interesting that they're so well thanks for [TS]
00:15:44 ◼ ► And they always are and then oh you know I'm not talking about this in the next post [TS]
00:15:48 ◼ ► or are you going to stand right because in the comment section for this pod cast we will have to see what people think [TS]
00:15:54 ◼ ► about the free booting term and maybe they'll be more to discuss in a future episode. One never knows. [TS]
00:16:03 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know how to think of the I think the title of the title is the tricky part but freebooting. [TS]
00:16:13 ◼ ► People people listening now will already know because we don't know we're recording is live from our perspective [TS]
00:16:21 ◼ ► and already know probably what the title is even as you're listening right now which is [TS]
00:16:24 ◼ ► when the strange things about podcasting So we will see if I have used the word freebooting in the title or not. [TS]
00:16:29 ◼ ► Excellent anyway. And he will follow. I have nothing on my list other than other than those few items. [TS]
00:16:52 ◼ ► and put a if you can see if I keep using it in this country in Chile it's going to be interrupted right somebody for [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and put it on You Tube which was kind of funny since I think it was one that was the one we were talking a copyright I [TS]
00:17:11 ◼ ► don't remember exactly where you can remember those for you because they have a sense of humor. [TS]
00:17:30 ◼ ► and talk about the now I think so I think there is. We have cleared out the follow up for this episode. [TS]
00:17:39 ◼ ► Oh OK I just want to thank the person who wrote in the comments and referred to me as the white Morgan Freeman. [TS]
00:17:55 ◼ ► and I'm basically just a passenger so to be referred to as they watch Morgan frame. [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► It was a special moment for me and I will treasure that we have that it has had a very nice [TS]
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00:20:44 ◼ ► What do you know as you know I have been in the middle of moving flats which is part of the craziness we referred to in [TS]
00:20:52 ◼ ► the previous episode. With life everything always happens all at once and so it was. [TS]
00:20:59 ◼ ► As of last week I was I was trying to we were launching this podcast I had a video that was way over due and my wife [TS]
00:21:07 ◼ ► and I were flat hunting in London for various time sensitive reasons and so everything happened at once [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► and that has been what has kind of been occupying a lot of my time during the day is is that big project which was a [TS]
00:21:21 ◼ ► you know what do you like when you move past because you're kind of I always think of you as this high tech guy [TS]
00:21:29 ◼ ► Is there any is there anything to get how do you utilize technology when you're moving house. [TS]
00:21:38 ◼ ► But I would say that I I enjoy moving mainly because it is a great excuse to purge as many physical items from my life [TS]
00:21:51 ◼ ► And people people around me as are in the orbit of my life know this that I am I am not a fan of physical objects and. [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► Sometimes people want to give me gifts you know people in my life I know it's my birthday or at some event [TS]
00:22:05 ◼ ► or some celebration and I'm always trying to people the best gift that you can give me is nothing. [TS]
00:22:15 ◼ ► and to then not have the burden of this object to take care of or to have in my house at some place [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► but it is still you always end up with just some stuff that is completely unavoidable. [TS]
00:22:31 ◼ ► And whenever you move that is just the perfect opportunity to get rid of as many things as you possibly can. [TS]
00:22:35 ◼ ► And so I feel like over the course of my life there have been two trends with each move I've sort of cut down [TS]
00:22:56 ◼ ► So I view my own life now as basically I have my clothes and I have my electronics and [TS]
00:23:04 ◼ ► and that is the bulk of the things that are personally mine and then there's always a miscellany of that is around. [TS]
00:23:18 ◼ ► Yeah what what I'm like What is your what is your flat look like is it just like white walls [TS]
00:23:28 ◼ ► Like pictures of my you know my ideal place would be as empty and as spartan as possible you know. [TS]
00:23:40 ◼ ► But of course you know you have to have stuff in your apartment with couches and you need cutlery [TS]
00:23:55 ◼ ► and everyone so why do you go through all my stuff and they go OK what can I get rid of and I get real. [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► but that's what something you've got rid of over the last couple of days as you prepare for this continent. Thanks. [TS]
00:24:14 ◼ ► OK So actually one of the things that I've gotten rid of was some old work clothes that had somehow still been able to [TS]
00:24:21 ◼ ► live at the back of my closet unnoticed from my teaching days so I was very happy to get rid of those. [TS]
00:24:27 ◼ ► So some some jackets and some ties that had somehow escaped my notice so I was very pleased to get rid of those [TS]
00:24:36 ◼ ► but I haven't done my proper purge yet because it's just been involved with other things so tomorrow is actually going [TS]
00:24:47 ◼ ► So as I look around my office and I'm in love I have like this old globe of the moon [TS]
00:24:53 ◼ ► and a teddy bear from my childhood and and a bunch of stones I've collected from places around the world [TS]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and got trophies and framed pictures of all the cricket bats and an old fashioned telescope [TS]
00:25:11 ◼ ► and what's the emotion you feel at the thought of only intrinsics trinkets even the word it's so gross. [TS]
00:25:20 ◼ ► I mean trinkets I mean just just worthless stuff that is taking up space is just awful. [TS]
00:25:29 ◼ ► Just what do you want to use that space photo like if you have all the space that I don't have how do you play live [TS]
00:25:48 ◼ ► and we haven't yet moved everything into the new flat into the new flat is basically empty [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Being I don't know I feel like every object that is in my sort of my visual sweep X. [TS]
00:26:09 ◼ ► and so this is why I really like to just empty out as much as humanly possible so that is that is my feeling towards [TS]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and that just weren't just the word drink it just to grow them into you know that moment. [TS]
00:26:27 ◼ ► No I have I have no mentors really I mean I was we have like pictures and things are not a crazy person right. [TS]
00:26:33 ◼ ► Digital I don't I don't think it is the wonder of digital pictures and you know what when. [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► and I do we call memory shots where we're not necessarily trying to get a good picture like oh look at this beautiful [TS]
00:26:49 ◼ ► mountain or anything we're just taking a picture so that we remember whatever it is in the future you know [TS]
00:26:57 ◼ ► But the worst thing I could imagine is you know buying some like a junky key ring of the Eiffel Tower to be like oh [TS]
00:27:07 ◼ ► And now this thing just has to be there in your life forever taking up space is just terrible. [TS]
00:27:27 ◼ ► I'm comparing the original computer and off which of course it is great that somebody else stores that right. [TS]
00:27:41 ◼ ► I love that there archivists to keep track of all of the stuff I just I have no need to be some kind of archivist for [TS]
00:27:52 ◼ ► Isn't that what your house is you know in a way it's a little it can be a little museum if you bought it so gross. [TS]
00:28:03 ◼ ► Do space your house is space is to be used in an optimal way it is it's not like up and you would say museum right. [TS]
00:28:15 ◼ ► You were being buried entombed with all of this stuff that you have collected over a lifetime [TS]
00:28:24 ◼ ► but I will just say that that my my wife has made the comment which might not be untrue that you know the T.V. [TS]
00:28:36 ◼ ► I can imagine what it's about and I don't mean these documentaries with some lines. [TS]
00:28:44 ◼ ► and my wife says I get my not be untrue that I am basically like the opposite of a hoarder in that right. [TS]
00:28:54 ◼ ► Hoarders have a hard time letting go of objects obviously too hard of a time letting go of objects [TS]
00:29:04 ◼ ► I have too easy of a time letting go of objects and that I'm just way too willing to just get rid of stuff. [TS]
00:29:13 ◼ ► So I am not necessarily arguing with her there is no intention here just to she say oh no can i please keep that as you [TS]
00:29:20 ◼ ► sort of throw away the whole mess and agent ring. Now I know I would never I would never throw away her stuff. [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► and there is a flip side to this which is which is on the computer I keep way more stuff than is probably reasonable. [TS]
00:29:43 ◼ ► but I you know I probably have hundreds of thousands of digital files of some kind or another on my computer. [TS]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Right it doesn't take up any physical space I don't need to see it so that doesn't that doesn't. [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and I think people are going to like it isn't gray so cool he's not functional and he's the modern digital man [TS]
00:30:24 ◼ ► Yeah you do realize this is unusual trait is behavior you're exhibiting is highly unusual to be this extreme about [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► objects. I'm well what I would say is that I have just I have just thought it through. [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► Wouldn't also do and what it like what are you going to do when you are ten years or twenty years older [TS]
00:31:02 ◼ ► or twenty years worth of just stuff that I think that would be my perspective on it. [TS]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and so you have to just not leave because things you know I mean we could've just taken photos of the moon [TS]
00:31:20 ◼ ► but we wanted to go and step on a touch of this world you know. I'm arguing that people shouldn't go to the moon. [TS]
00:31:30 ◼ ► I'm also arguing that one astronaut there on the moon they should grab all the moon stuff they possibly can [TS]
00:31:41 ◼ ► but somebody should definitely keep that that's what we have museums for so that's kind of my thoughts on this. [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and living in an absolutely tiny tiny London flat. Definitely bring that home in a way that that. [TS]
00:32:07 ◼ ► Now but anyway so now I'm looking forward to ditching all my stuff tomorrow. I am flying tomorrow. [TS]
00:32:13 ◼ ► Yeah so it's late at night and after this broadcast I will start thinking about packing [TS]
00:32:21 ◼ ► and you would like someone who gets it done and I have a checklist that I use every time for packing. Not really. [TS]
00:32:30 ◼ ► That might surprise you but I have a I have a checklist I mentioned before I use a program called on the focus [TS]
00:32:37 ◼ ► and I have a checklist that I can really activate every time I'm about to pack that has an enormous list of things that [TS]
00:32:44 ◼ ► are the potential things that I might need to bring with me and so I use that I usually pack the day before [TS]
00:32:59 ◼ ► For no particular reason I don't I don't like you at all. But so you involves a whole bunch of physical objects. [TS]
00:33:11 ◼ ► I find it yeah I find it uncomfortable and stressful and I still worry about forgetting stuff [TS]
00:33:16 ◼ ► but what time are you leaving tomorrow because we're recording this at like eight o'clock at night and leaving. [TS]
00:33:26 ◼ ► I will always leave it to the last possible minute and you know how that worked out for you. [TS]
00:33:34 ◼ ► and this is this is been a particularly unpleasant unpleasant one because I'm going away for quite a long time. [TS]
00:33:43 ◼ ► and I'm going to be working while I'm away which is unusual for me to to be editing while I'm away [TS]
00:33:47 ◼ ► and I know you do a bit more and I recently knew that and I was just like the savings. [TS]
00:34:03 ◼ ► Forgetting how terrible I am with computers and the problems I have with software and all sorts of things [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► and now I'm actually you know becoming a bit anxious about oh so and this is this is aside from like any clothes [TS]
00:34:21 ◼ ► and things that I'm going to need some sort of more worried about what hard drives and I'm going to need [TS]
00:34:25 ◼ ► and which cables and what microphone and what lens and the software computer things been causing me the most problems. [TS]
00:34:37 ◼ ► You have a mountain of tapes and hard drives that you work with for all of the all of the video that you captured. [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► You know a lot about a lot of material so you have to manage which of those drives are going to actually bring with him [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► not taking the big draft at me I'm just dragging over bits and pieces and I think I might need. [TS]
00:35:09 ◼ ► Nothing nothing works on all the stuff only sold the software or paid a fortune for nothing works [TS]
00:35:16 ◼ ► and I don't today I have to buy a whole bunch of new software. Kind of older it's crazy. [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► and looking on the Internet to find out if there's a way to make this piece of software work on that [TS]
00:35:35 ◼ ► People always think I must be about computers because I work on them but I don't I'm rubbish. It's been an E.Q. [TS]
00:35:41 ◼ ► Basically I need you to be here and just like sit next to me for three or four hours [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and just sought me out for that day and that's what we're going to be able to help you there [TS]
00:36:03 ◼ ► As soon as we finish I'll probably think I think how much I don't want one of our videos get a sucker for the thing I [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► would like to I am all think all right now I'm definitely going to back you how you did help me the other day [TS]
00:36:22 ◼ ► and it's funny that I forgot my headphones because like you do have this kind of technology mentor role in my life. [TS]
00:36:31 ◼ ► I know kind of like my own personal sort of Siri that I that I say do I need an app for this [TS]
00:36:36 ◼ ► or I need a gadget that will do this and it's content you need to tell me what to do. [TS]
00:36:40 ◼ ► Yes I have I have noticed this that you have you are leaning on me for recommendations and in particular [TS]
00:36:50 ◼ ► You just purchase the you know the i Phone case that I recommended so we both have phones that look exactly the same [TS]
00:36:55 ◼ ► and that's really saving because you always think the other ones like grabbing your fine [TS]
00:36:59 ◼ ► and right now you intellectually know that's not the case it's really makes you feel really anxious [TS]
00:37:11 ◼ ► but the funny thing is the one piece of technology that I recommended to me was these headphones so I take [TS]
00:37:18 ◼ ► and I know you use them and I take some pride in that. Yes You know I love them. Yeah. [TS]
00:37:23 ◼ ► So the great irony was that I then forgot my headphones going on this trip and it was like a long trip [TS]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and it was four flights and I had lots of things I wanted to listen to and obviously [TS]
00:37:34 ◼ ► and I had signs unacceptable so I did I did text you and you kind of counseled me through the pros [TS]
00:37:43 ◼ ► and cons of of purchasing another pair of those. But let's clarify the situation here for people right. [TS]
00:37:50 ◼ ► So what we're not what you're talking about I don't know the name of the Bose noise canceling head. [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Level headphone active noise canceling they're just very very good at isolating noise and for doing audio editing [TS]
00:38:09 ◼ ► and video editing the basically a requirement once you've ever tried. How did I ever get work done before this. [TS]
00:38:20 ◼ ► or what the details were just forgotten what is left of my home and I was driven to. [TS]
00:38:44 ◼ ► and I had this quandary is too high to make another pair so I guess so so you were at the airport [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► and from my perspective you knew what the right decision was the right decision is I'm going to be stepping onto an [TS]
00:38:58 ◼ ► airplane in which I have no control over my environment it's going to be very uncomfortable for a long period of time [TS]
00:39:06 ◼ ► and I need to get a bunch of work done on these flights should I purchase this pair of headphones that will allow me to [TS]
00:39:15 ◼ ► have a little bit of more comfort and to get more work done. And obviously the answer was yes right. [TS]
00:39:23 ◼ ► Yes you should purchase these headphones again at the airport because when you're on the plane. [TS]
00:39:33 ◼ ► Right that's that you can do nothing about right this screaming babies right or they're just people who talk loud [TS]
00:39:39 ◼ ► or there's all kinds of just stuff that can distract you in a terrible way he says things to just take that all away. [TS]
00:39:45 ◼ ► Yes And the only thing that you can do to protect yourself is to have a set of noise cancelling headphones [TS]
00:39:54 ◼ ► It would totally make sense to buy them but you were hemming and hawing from my perspective just no. [TS]
00:40:03 ◼ ► and you contacted me because you knew that I would bully you into buying headphones so that you could get your work [TS]
00:40:08 ◼ ► done and have a slightly more comfortable flight which I believe you did in the end is that great [TS]
00:40:14 ◼ ► That's right so this is also where you can blame me for making you buy the headphones even though it was obviously the [TS]
00:40:20 ◼ ► right choice. OK probably takes you in the airport tomorrow and say you know going to believe this. [TS]
00:40:34 ◼ ► I'm looking over and looking over my own pre-flight checklist and it is who it is enormous. [TS]
00:40:50 ◼ ► and then the packing too like a bunch of you need to get ready before you can pack in a sense. [TS]
00:41:01 ◼ ► I have a note to make sure that I have downloaded an update on my pod casts printing backup information for flights [TS]
00:41:11 ◼ ► This one you like empty my wallet so I go through my wallet and take out all the cards [TS]
00:41:15 ◼ ► and things that I can't possibly need wherever I'm going to because I want my wallet to have the least number of things [TS]
00:41:20 ◼ ► possible in it so I have these kind of crazy ones that often just I don't have to check [TS]
00:41:29 ◼ ► So one of them is find out the emergency phone number in the country that you're going to just sort of have that on the [TS]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and then get into the packing section so I have this long list do you realize how much you're filling me with more [TS]
00:41:47 ◼ ► panic they're not going to be as good as they were many of these things go right so I have to have packed the go pro [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► you know that little that little camera I have you know socks and underwear I have. [TS]
00:42:04 ◼ ► Passport Irish passport laptop power converters i Phone i Pad wires got a thing that I hate the most. H.S.B.C. [TS]
00:42:17 ◼ ► but like that little that little key thing that you need to punch a number into log into your P.C. [TS]
00:42:22 ◼ ► Bank I hate that thing so much I have literally taken that around the world to one of them I need to take it with me. [TS]
00:42:40 ◼ ► Fitbit Oh here we go pack noise cancelling headphones that's the book. Bose headphones. Wireless headphones. [TS]
00:42:56 ◼ ► when you get into America there's a section where you have to fill out this little custom card [TS]
00:43:17 ◼ ► and all of the things I try to think of for every possible occasion when when traveling. [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► but that conflicts with my dislike of nature which Boy Scouts obviously involves a lot of so you know nature is just [TS]
00:43:44 ◼ ► It's so untidy nature so I mean I remember we went for a walk around the forest in California didn't it was some of the [TS]
00:43:51 ◼ ► some of the gang we just facing that we now know that's that's different right because those kinds of things are [TS]
00:44:01 ◼ ► From my perspective right there like a little path we're going to walk around it's sort of a nice it's a nice change [TS]
00:44:15 ◼ ► or I'm going to put myself through this physically uncomfortable process of you know spending a night a night outdoors [TS]
00:44:26 ◼ ► I understand people enjoy that that's great for them but I am a big fan of technology [TS]
00:44:32 ◼ ► and the indoors indoors is very nice. So Boy Scouts was not for me so I went to the toilet in the Polo. [TS]
00:44:46 ◼ ► Like like a hole in the ground in a little shed and it was like a very smelly and very very unpleasant. [TS]
00:44:58 ◼ ► But also this little toilet shed had a purpose it was also where they tried today yet so over three walls where the [TS]
00:45:08 ◼ ► toll was was like see it from ground to ceiling. Yep done just piled just pats piled on top of each other. [TS]
00:45:18 ◼ ► I'm guessing you would know what I would out of it I would not appreciate that now. [TS]
00:45:28 ◼ ► I go I would try to avoid putting myself in that kind of travel situation in the first place. [TS]
00:45:44 ◼ ► when you go to the toilet in Japan they have those like Consols with buttons and you know what. [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► While we're on the topic I can imagine that Japan is going to come up very fickle in the pocket [TS]
00:45:55 ◼ ► but I will just mention there are many things I like about Japan. I love that everything. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► It's just super neat and tidy. Right so just like any store everywhere you go and everything is tiny boxes. [TS]
00:46:13 ◼ ► and love the Japanese people for their custom of the face mask when they are sick. [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► As if God if I could make that a cultural thing in the world I would so do that I deeply appreciate everyone who wears [TS]
00:46:28 ◼ ► a face mask when they are sick I just I think that is that is the greatest So they're all sick [TS]
00:46:38 ◼ ► and I always like Oh I think they're trying to avoid getting sick from a you know if I take offense to it. [TS]
00:46:43 ◼ ► They do to me. Yes they're doing that for your benefit if you are if you are sick. [TS]
00:46:56 ◼ ► and never ever you know not in a bun in the very cosmopolitan place every once a while I will see some some Japanese [TS]
00:47:01 ◼ ► people who have a face mask on. As I got I am so thankful for you to you for wearing that face mask. [TS]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Obviously this is what everybody should do but it is not what everybody does and then you are in underground [TS]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and there's just God I mean you just think about all the surfaces that you have to touch [TS]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and all the people who have touched them and how many of them have been sick and sneezing and coughing [TS]
00:47:21 ◼ ► and it's just it's amazing that people can not be sick all the time considering how many other human beings you are [TS]
00:47:28 ◼ ► exposed to. So yeah. Anyway as a side note Japan thumbs up for me for the face masks. Well done guys. I really love it. [TS]
00:47:37 ◼ ► Can we go to this music festival there called Fuji Rock which is you know a music festival tours [TS]
00:47:48 ◼ ► Anyway I won't bore you with the details of the festival I don't know what you know of music festivals [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Lawlessness and unsanitary conditions as they are for the music like us to bring famously the toilets are terrible [TS]
00:48:06 ◼ ► and you know it. I don't imagine it would be an experience you would find pleasant. [TS]
00:48:26 ◼ ► and like people will put it like a picnic crowd getting ready for the music and we put their valuables on [TS]
00:48:33 ◼ ► and then just go decide they want to go and get a drink or something and just leave their stuff [TS]
00:48:41 ◼ ► It'll just be left the itemizing by at one point I lost like a camera I left my camera in a toilet Funnily enough the [TS]
00:48:52 ◼ ► Someone found it handed in I got my camera back later they catch you they will line up at the recycling bins to make [TS]
00:49:03 ◼ ► sure they put the right rubbish in the rightly so a long time with those people lining up for what's at the end [TS]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and they will make sure they put everything in the right bins. That's amazing. It's crazy. [TS]
00:49:21 ◼ ► but you wouldn't you know this is if you're going to go to a music festival this is probably the only one I mention you [TS]
00:49:28 ◼ ► So music festivals in Japan I guess maybe I will go to everywhere else. No thank you it looks terrible. [TS]
00:49:35 ◼ ► Let me tell you one other observation about this music festival I think would lead on to the topic that we were [TS]
00:49:40 ◼ ► thinking of discussing today because another thing I was talking to an English guy who runs was involved with running [TS]
00:49:49 ◼ ► this festival guys and actually joining thing because he was in the Boomtown Rats for people who are into real music [TS]
00:50:02 ◼ ► and he said one of the things the Japanese people really liked about this festival was a deliberate decision they made [TS]
00:50:09 ◼ ► to not plaster advertising everywhere. It's like saying on this mountainside and trees and it's a very beautiful place. [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► And they've kept it looking very natural whereas most places you go in Japan obviously you know you have your lots [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and you can't you can't move your eyes anywhere without being completely bombarded by advertising. [TS]
00:50:29 ◼ ► And he said For them it's a really strange and enjoyable experience to be able to go somewhere for two or three days [TS]
00:50:38 ◼ ► and not see advertising absolutely everywhere. So speaking in saying advertising absolutely everywhere. [TS]
00:50:44 ◼ ► Yeah that's one of the things we were thinking about talking about today is the advertising industry. [TS]
00:50:56 ◼ ► when is it not OK ad blocker that like there's a whole world of things related to the advertising world. [TS]
00:51:01 ◼ ► There's some topics in life where I think it is almost impossible to have some kind of consistent opinion that you also [TS]
00:51:10 ◼ ► and I think advertising is is one of those kinds of things no matter what your thoughts are in advertising no matter [TS]
00:51:16 ◼ ► how much you think it through there's always going to be some point where you're acting in a way that is hypocritical [TS]
00:51:23 ◼ ► to what you might think if you if you wrote it down on a piece of paper and said This is the way stuff should be. [TS]
00:51:34 ◼ ► but I just I think that that's the opener there is I am probably going to say things that are inconsistent with things [TS]
00:51:42 ◼ ► that I say later and I think that that is just part of the complication of advertising [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► and I think that that is also why it's an interesting topic is the many different layers to this. [TS]
00:51:53 ◼ ► So I mean are you thinking about advertising sort of in the context closest to home for us. [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Yeah so that's that's kind of the place to start is that both of us have our incomes dependent on advertising [TS]
00:52:11 ◼ ► advertising if you don't watch one of my videos there's advertising on it if you go to watch one of your videos there's [TS]
00:52:16 ◼ ► advertising on it through various means sometimes that people click sometimes even if they don't. [TS]
00:52:31 ◼ ► and how many You Tubers make their livings is is through that may be the place to start is the most contentious on the [TS]
00:52:49 ◼ ► or not we should even talk about this topic again because it's hard to discuss especially [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► But ad blocking software exists and you can you can find many people saying very many different things about it [TS]
00:53:07 ◼ ► And before I say anything I'm going to put you on the spot do you have any initial thoughts about ad blocking software [TS]
00:53:14 ◼ ► do you know it's something I'll never really think about. Really it doesn't it doesn't. [TS]
00:53:20 ◼ ► Now I never think about it and in fact one of the first times I have ever I mean I'm aware of of course [TS]
00:53:27 ◼ ► and I see comments about it and I'll see a comment on my video but some of these ads are a pain in the backside [TS]
00:53:33 ◼ ► and sometimes I don't want to use ad block probably three thousand and stuff so many of you [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► and I just kind of let that wash over me but the other day I was talking to someone about my he was a big watcher [TS]
00:53:48 ◼ ► and he did say to me how do you feel about blocking software I use and what do you think about it [TS]
00:53:54 ◼ ► and it was the first time someone had asked me specifically and. Right now it's kind of. [TS]
00:54:03 ◼ ► I take it if it was going to kind of like yes it undermines a source of income for us in the fringes upon that. [TS]
00:54:15 ◼ ► Well there's a vibe a good follow up right. It's related to the infringement thing. [TS]
00:54:19 ◼ ► Yeah these people freebooters But anyway I guess naively I don't think much about it [TS]
00:54:30 ◼ ► and I should point out that you know advertising isn't isn't the complete baled an endo for me for I write my business [TS]
00:54:40 ◼ ► model and likewise for you to help me with other things coming coming up stream subs and with sub will as well. [TS]
00:54:47 ◼ ► but it is definitely for me anyway I can say that advertising is the majority of my you know and it's for [TS]
00:54:56 ◼ ► and it sustains you know it helps the creators get paid as you know most of the time there are other ways they can be [TS]
00:55:02 ◼ ► sustained. So I guess my position should be that I wish people wouldn't block the ads. [TS]
00:55:11 ◼ ► So yeah I guess that's just my that's my default position but I don't feel any fire and brimstone about it. [TS]
00:55:21 ◼ ► Yeah I was I was I was googling around earlier today trying to find some numbers for you know what. [TS]
00:55:27 ◼ ► How many people actually use blocking software and I could not find anything reliable [TS]
00:55:34 ◼ ► but I would say all the numbers were somewhere between five percent and a kind of minimum. [TS]
00:55:51 ◼ ► and the numbers that we're saying thirty percent were coming from ad blocking software themselves. [TS]
00:56:06 ◼ ► and therefore they're likely to be more likely to have it than someone who just occasionally What is your idea to get a [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► and so I think here here's here's where the complication comes in for me sitting down just thinking about a situation. [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► I think there is no argument against that because there are so many things that rely on advertising to be made [TS]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and I often see people say you know whatever it is should use some kind of alternative funding method you know you [TS]
00:56:47 ◼ ► but that doesn't change the fact that lots of things on the Internet just couldn't exist without advertising in there [TS]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Or at the very people who say you know you should have a different business model would like it weigh less if. [TS]
00:57:01 ◼ ► Every video site on the internet suddenly charged membership fees and there was just no where to watch videos for free. [TS]
00:57:09 ◼ ► You buy that. That is obviously worse for everybody. And like my own videos I like lots of people to see my videos. [TS]
00:57:32 ◼ ► So it is it is undeniable that in aggregate ad blocking software is bad for the Internet. [TS]
00:57:40 ◼ ► The problem is and I'm forgetting the name for it but it's like it is an economic name for this. [TS]
00:57:46 ◼ ► But the impact of ad blocking software on any one individual's computer is not going to break anything. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► Still conflict is that for any one person they can say well it doesn't make a difference to creator X. [TS]
00:58:11 ◼ ► But as the number of people who say that increases it does start to become a problem in aggregate [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► and I was trying to think think through some of some of my thoughts on this a little bit earlier [TS]
00:58:28 ◼ ► and so while I can say that you know I shouldn't have ad blocking software advertising is what is supporting a lot of [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► Some of that kept popping into my mind is a comparison with fast forwarding the commercials on T.V. [TS]
00:58:44 ◼ ► Where people have like a Tivo Now fast forward through the commercials I think that she would even have like a [TS]
00:58:49 ◼ ► commercial skip button. Apparently I'm not exactly sure how that works. Yeah we deliberately like it as a T.V. [TS]
00:58:55 ◼ ► Show we want to watch we deliberately go for a cuppa tayo something to build up a bit so you can fast for the ads. [TS]
00:59:02 ◼ ► OK I was just so you know so if you know you just you can zip through them so yeah. [TS]
00:59:07 ◼ ► So here's why I can feel that very passionately about the Internet and like I totally love the internet [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► and I think ad blocking software in aggregate is bad for the Internet I would never even like hesitate [TS]
00:59:21 ◼ ► Yeah I mean it wouldn't it would not even wouldn't even cause a nano seconds worth of hesitation in my mind like well [TS]
00:59:29 ◼ ► obviously I was going to fast for these commercials but the same exact arguments apply right that T.V. [TS]
00:59:41 ◼ ► and so that's why I mean it's impossible to just not be a total hypocrite in some way with regard to the advertising [TS]
00:59:47 ◼ ► I mean the only difference is you know we have very exactingly measured on whether [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► The companies are kind of you know that guess as to who's watching in terms of that fast forwarding scenario as far as [TS]
01:00:12 ◼ ► So so many fast forwarding through the ads when I watch a T.V. Show is is not is it different. [TS]
01:00:21 ◼ ► It seems different tonight. I understand I understand the principle is the same but it's not quite such a direct hit. [TS]
01:00:29 ◼ ► So I would argue that that it is is absolutely no different at all though if you wanted to be different you think oh [TS]
01:00:35 ◼ ► well they don't they don't know they're just paying for a certain amount of advertising [TS]
01:00:38 ◼ ► but the fundamental argument still applies that advertisers are trying to figure out whether it is cost effective to [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► Right and in some sense from the advertisers perspective they just care if an advertising campaign is profitable. [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► and the rest of it can be a bit of a black box from their perspective so people who are some some portion of the population [TS]
01:01:02 ◼ ► blocking ads in some parts of the population fast forwarding that is built into what's called like a like a return on [TS]
01:01:07 ◼ ► investment calculation that the advertisers have to do is it worth buying more advertising in this particular medium [TS]
01:01:16 ◼ ► So that's what I was doing the same thing earlier and I was thinking about like I'm trying to find a way that T.V. [TS]
01:01:24 ◼ ► I mean so you're saying find me fast forwarding the ads through Downton Abbey on not allowing myself to be influenced [TS]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and that all gets factored into how many cans of Coke I sell that gets factored into some big equation. [TS]
01:01:43 ◼ ► and so you're you're skipping ads are sort of making Downton Abbey less profitable per view from the from the [TS]
01:01:54 ◼ ► and advertising I'm not right I guess that's one thing that drives me absolutely crazy because these this argument come. [TS]
01:02:03 ◼ ► and the thing that drives me crazy is that people who are on the Internet said Oh I never click an ad [TS]
01:02:07 ◼ ► and so it doesn't matter if I run a blocking software anyway. But that's not how a lot of the advertisements work. [TS]
01:02:14 ◼ ► You know like on on You Tube I have to be the for some reason but sometimes you get paid because someone clicks but. [TS]
01:02:22 ◼ ► A person doesn't have to click it all an advertisement is just based on the impression [TS]
01:02:31 ◼ ► and buy something that is not how all of the ads work. How many of them work but not all of them. Yes. [TS]
01:02:44 ◼ ► and I hate stuff like this where I can't I can't come to a perfectly consistent opinion about you know what should be [TS]
01:02:53 ◼ ► or how things should work. Do you said looking software. Right so that is the question isn't it right. [TS]
01:03:00 ◼ ► Do I have ad blocker installed on my own computer and the answer is that I do I do. Now you're depriving me. [TS]
01:03:33 ◼ ► and I have it set for a bunch of Web sites that I regularly visit because I don't want to deprive them of impression [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► But it is it is weird because that same argument that I made before is that I also know [TS]
01:03:49 ◼ ► and again you know I can't speak to specifics because of the sort of contractors I'm with you too [TS]
01:04:04 ◼ ► and so it's it's weird because voting though isn't a one size doesn't change an election. [TS]
01:04:09 ◼ ► But if everyone did and that is a really good comparison that is a really good comparison. [TS]
01:04:17 ◼ ► And so so yeah this is where the conflict comes from is it's like it's a symbolic gesture almost in both ways right. [TS]
01:04:28 ◼ ► or to add block because there are that there's one site in particular that I'm kind of happy to to the ad log on [TS]
01:04:42 ◼ ► but it is impossible to avoid them sometimes it's like I don't want my accidental clicks you know to give this place [TS]
01:04:53 ◼ ► I'm going to say image because that's how I say it in my mind I don't think that's really how it's pronounced [TS]
01:04:57 ◼ ► but it's I M G U R Yeah and I'm probably going to make a lot of people very angry when I say this [TS]
01:05:10 ◼ ► and I haven't been since the beginning because I think its whole existence is predicated on just massive copyright [TS]
01:05:20 ◼ ► infringement that is basically what the flip side is is the place for people to to host it. [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► It's a place where people are free but as well as everywhere. Well no the users are not freebooters. [TS]
01:05:35 ◼ ► I give you just enough freebooters But the Web site as a whole is I'm so happy to hear you say for you because I think [TS]
01:05:43 ◼ ► one of the places that it really gets me on Reddit is people will host people finding some web comic that they think is [TS]
01:05:50 ◼ ► really funny and they upload it to image or and then submit it to read it because an image or loads very quickly [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► What has happened here is that you've now directed Reddit traffic to an image that does not belong to image but image [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► and the original web comic artist is not getting any revenue from that at all and you know you might call it stealing. [TS]
01:06:25 ◼ ► But but it it really bothers me I mean I under I understand the need for a site like image or to some extent [TS]
01:06:32 ◼ ► and there are historical reasons why image hosting sites exist which I think are less of a modern problem. [TS]
01:06:38 ◼ ► But it used to be that you know you could just assume that anybody's web site would just completely crash [TS]
01:06:45 ◼ ► and so nobody would be able to see the thing in the first place which is why sites like imagery came into existence [TS]
01:06:54 ◼ ► Web sites crashing under the pressure so there's a story for reasons why the thing kind of exists [TS]
01:06:58 ◼ ► but I do not white list image or because I I don't like the existence of your site. [TS]
01:07:06 ◼ ► I wish that people would link to the actual webcomic or the actual photographer who took this picture [TS]
01:07:12 ◼ ► and not just put everything up on this gallery so I have I have conflicted feelings about image [TS]
01:07:18 ◼ ► but it's hugely popular with the Reddit people so I imagine lots of groups are going to be angry about that. [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► I agree about my dislike of it but I don't but if you use what it is just impossible to avoid an image [TS]
01:07:29 ◼ ► or a good case for its own event you might make people angry but I think it's a fair point. [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► So here's here's where I think that like a really interesting question about blocking software is is that there's an [TS]
01:07:52 ◼ ► and anything that makes content available free that the price of admission is those ads. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Right that's that is basically how you are paying for admission to this Web site in a way. [TS]
01:08:12 ◼ ► or what are the rights that a computer user has to control the software that runs on their machine. [TS]
01:08:23 ◼ ► And that's where I think that ad blocking software is very interesting because I'm of I'm a very much absolutist over [TS]
01:08:34 ◼ ► I think that general purpose computers which are laptops mean they can argue they can run any computer code that you [TS]
01:09:03 ◼ ► and blocking software because I think that you really should be able to have just total control over your machine [TS]
01:09:20 ◼ ► but one of them ran a fund raising campaign recently which is which is what has gotten this on my mind for the past [TS]
01:09:36 ◼ ► And I I have very very deep misgivings about a company that exists to create ad blocking software. How do you mean. [TS]
01:09:49 ◼ ► I almost feel the world I would want to live in is one where ad blocking software is not available to the general [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► You can run it on your own machine thing at blocking software but the one you've got to make. [TS]
01:10:06 ◼ ► So it's this company that ran this fund raiser I think it also is in that company. [TS]
01:10:12 ◼ ► No Oh God no I would never give them any money so I think you can use for OK So this is this is the one I'm running is [TS]
01:10:20 ◼ ► It's just called block I guess so many variations of it I'm not even sure that's the full name [TS]
01:10:32 ◼ ► They're doing a fundraiser and they say there's two lines in there I was like I love you [TS]
01:10:38 ◼ ► and internet without advertisements. And they're trying to promote the trying to promote this to people. [TS]
01:11:00 ◼ ► when you talk about the police that is making the ad blocking software I think you can very clearly point to them [TS]
01:11:07 ◼ ► and say like you are making the Internet worse in a way that you can't assign the blame to the individual users because [TS]
01:11:20 ◼ ► But the ad blocking software company themselves they're the ones that allows this aggregate genuine impact to occur [TS]
01:11:39 ◼ ► This is this is exactly like it's so conflicting. I don't know if that is an appropriate or an inappropriate analogy. [TS]
01:11:49 ◼ ► I can't decide I can't figure out where I stand on this and I find a very frustrating thing I don't understand sorry. [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► This company has been making ad blocking software before this company like it was before that was it just like a little [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► and now they have a couple of employees so it used to be like a little and underground thing [TS]
01:12:19 ◼ ► and now it's become like a yeah I guess so I have to be honest I don't I don't know fully the background [TS]
01:12:25 ◼ ► and I said this there are so many of these places as well so I'm not exactly sure the situation is [TS]
01:12:30 ◼ ► but so one of the things that the that the block says in their video is help make the internet a better place [TS]
01:12:47 ◼ ► Is and say help make the internet a better place by putting C.D.P. Creative business. [TS]
01:12:54 ◼ ► and they keep talking about these ads as though they're some kind of. A natural barrier. [TS]
01:13:04 ◼ ► but there's all these boulders that nature left in the way right to help us clear these boulders you know [TS]
01:13:16 ◼ ► and they're saying help us tear down this toll booth to make the world a better place as well. [TS]
01:13:34 ◼ ► Yeah I feel so uncomfortable even even talking about the existence of ad blocking software. [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► I don't I don't want to be a hypocrite about this but it's it's it's just so it's a tricky contentious issue. [TS]
01:13:50 ◼ ► I just feel like I want the company that allows me to do this thing to exist that is a situation that I would like in [TS]
01:13:59 ◼ ► the world would you. Kind of crazy but you know. Yeah it's just a very complicated situation. [TS]
01:14:11 ◼ ► but that's mainly because I probably just couldn't get it to work I can't even get my e-mail to work in the city of Sao [TS]
01:14:21 ◼ ► Paulo. A few years ago actually banned advertising in all public places in the city. [TS]
01:14:28 ◼ ► So people had to take down public billboards that that faced faced public streets. [TS]
01:14:36 ◼ ► and it's an interesting picture is if you go on Flickr you can find photos of Sao Paulo where there are no [TS]
01:14:46 ◼ ► And that's a case where I also think boy if I was the mayor of the city of London I would totally do that without [TS]
01:15:01 ◼ ► I think that that is that's a situation where clearly not having advertising is sort of it's a nicer experience [TS]
01:15:09 ◼ ► or like your time of the Japanese going to the music festival before it's a nicer experience to go through a place that [TS]
01:15:15 ◼ ► does not have advertising and. Unlike much of the Internet. The city will still exist without billboards. [TS]
01:15:24 ◼ ► If someone took down all the billboards in London tomorrow those buildings wouldn't go away right there. [TS]
01:15:33 ◼ ► Yeah you know what with the businesses that populate them start having problems and stop start going out of business [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and it starts this slippery slope of decline I mean just let me fast forwarding through the Tay they are you being a [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► you thing simplistic about it is that more important to the economy than your realizing I mean maybe I would. [TS]
01:15:55 ◼ ► How do you mean just like a big deal with McDonald's or something and it's not not like you know. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Not like you know I believe that you know the saying come and buy my rings because thirty percent off. [TS]
01:16:05 ◼ ► You're talking about like Coca-Cola putting some big billboard up on that that's the kind of thing that Sao Paulo which [TS]
01:16:11 ◼ ► I meant they didn't take down like business signs you know like in the business window or that kind of stuff. [TS]
01:16:17 ◼ ► They were taking down a giant public billboards which I would suspect is a would be a fairly negligible impact. [TS]
01:16:25 ◼ ► Would you be happy for the City of London to do that and pay double council rates. [TS]
01:16:36 ◼ ► I was I was so proud of an economy it is all part of an economy. When I pay double I don't know. [TS]
01:16:45 ◼ ► Actually I kind of think about this sometimes on the underground because there's tons of advertising on the underground [TS]
01:16:51 ◼ ► and I have I have actually wondered a couple times what increase in Underground ticket would I be willing to pay to not [TS]
01:16:59 ◼ ► have any of this advertising here because I've seen I've got I'm going to say the Moscow subway [TS]
01:17:09 ◼ ► but I have seen beautiful photos of some subways where the interiors do not have any advertisement [TS]
01:17:20 ◼ ► and I think that that is a genuinely nicer experience for people on public transport too to be able to take out the advertising. [TS]
01:17:32 ◼ ► My understanding is that the advertising on the London Underground is a very substantial decrease in the cost of the [TS]
01:17:39 ◼ ► actual tickets that advertising money is no joke for London so you know it might you know whatever their actual number [TS]
01:17:47 ◼ ► is a bit like double the price like that's you know I'm not sure I would be willing to pay that [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► and I know there are people who just couldn't pay that you know if you double the transportation cost that's not right [TS]
01:18:03 ◼ ► when I say all the petro so expensive because so much of its tax so it's the price of oil [TS]
01:18:12 ◼ ► Yeah there's any potential think that such a thing is tricky. Yeah yeah yeah I don't know. [TS]
01:18:19 ◼ ► The only other thing that might be worth just mentioning that I sort of alluded to in the beginning you know we we've [TS]
01:18:32 ◼ ► and see if we can even get to ten episodes and there are there are many things that affect whether [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► One of them is how many people isn't another one is how much of an impact this has on your work schedule [TS]
01:19:00 ◼ ► and so this very thing that we are doing is another example of how advertising can bring into existence something that [TS]
01:19:11 ◼ ► otherwise would not have happened and it is is only because I was you know I was thinking about doing a podcast [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► and trying to look into some numbers about how it might be financially sustainable [TS]
01:19:25 ◼ ► and so that's like this pod cast I don't know if we would have ever started it if if if the world of podcast [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► If I couldn't see a way that maybe they were going to be doing it as a joint project that's taking a both of our times [TS]
01:19:41 ◼ ► for you know that we could be spending on other things like It also has to it has to be a financially viable product to [TS]
01:19:49 ◼ ► whoever's whoever's getting the set standards getting whatever they're paying they get a bargain [TS]
01:19:53 ◼ ► and do it right because you will seriously voice. You could I think you know you could sell us to this. [TS]
01:20:01 ◼ ► Maybe maybe not but I know how do you find doing the ads because I mean you've been talking a lot of advertising [TS]
01:20:10 ◼ ► and you know I've known you for a LONG Now I know I know you're very sensitive about advertising [TS]
01:20:14 ◼ ► and you know what it has some potency and you know narrating as which is a new experience for you [TS]
01:20:21 ◼ ► and a tax rate them and you put a lot of flair to them the hell you funding to enhance. [TS]
01:20:27 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I mean that's part of why this is also been in my mind you know it's been an interesting experience because [TS]
01:20:41 ◼ ► They they come to this gigantic auction auction system is the way it works on You Tube And so if I feel just totally [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and have you know turned down offers so far to speak an ad at the end of the video because I feel like I don't I don't [TS]
01:21:00 ◼ ► like this or I haven't quite figured out the way that I want to do it if I were ever to [TS]
01:21:12 ◼ ► and maybe that's again just because you don't have to not not being able to have a consistent opinion while I feel very [TS]
01:21:18 ◼ ► strongly about not speaking in the video is an advertisement in the park as it just seems totally natural [TS]
01:21:26 ◼ ► and so I'm very used to this format of the host reading out an advertisement that it just it seems very natural [TS]
01:21:35 ◼ ► and you know so far been we've been lucky to have products that I actually use and like and can feel good. [TS]
01:21:45 ◼ ► but it is it has been less weirder than I thought it might be is what I would say it's a crazy thing I'm really I'm [TS]
01:21:54 ◼ ► really in a spot and say you know what I'm missing a big football game to be doing this point. [TS]
01:22:01 ◼ ► and I just I do I do you still find it crazy because I want to know how an American common trait they do these days at [TS]
01:22:09 ◼ ► rates that still seem I still haven't gotten used to it even after all this time with some guy will be talking about [TS]
01:22:15 ◼ ► the pitching match up and insert maybe he'll be telling you how great you know some hotdog brand is [TS]
01:22:20 ◼ ► or how great some car is like I mean the sports announcer doesn't yell at the commentator to say how wonderful [TS]
01:22:27 ◼ ► something is and then you get back on and I still find it weird in sports country. [TS]
01:22:31 ◼ ► That's because they don't do in other countries or don't do in the U.K. In that one. [TS]
01:22:36 ◼ ► But your input something I've been listening to a lot as you know it just seems I think you know it seems very natural [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► and you know again with conflicts over advertising I have genuinely benefitted from signing up to a bunch of the [TS]
01:22:52 ◼ ► Yeah you know so what while we're recording this today I have I have no idea who the advertiser is going to be going to [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► recording that in the future so what I'm about to say is not an advertisement is just me saying it [TS]
01:23:04 ◼ ► but like I found out about Squarespace for listening to podcast ads on the five by five network which is home to a [TS]
01:23:13 ◼ ► and I like that that was great like that is an example of where my life is genuinely easier [TS]
01:23:22 ◼ ► So you can't say Oh it is always an interruption because I don't know how else I would have found out about something [TS]
01:23:29 ◼ ► like that like I'm not I'm not deeply involved in the Web site building world you know that's like that's tangential to [TS]
01:23:38 ◼ ► and so I'm not sure something like that would have ever come to me through just word of mouth. [TS]
01:23:43 ◼ ► It can it can be beneficial I mean granted the number of products that are like that in my life is very small [TS]
01:23:50 ◼ ► when compared to the total number of advertisements I have ever heard the price which is like functionally infinite. [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's yes a forgotten thing about it is sometimes actually performing a service they have a utility Zelda. [TS]
01:24:14 ◼ ► I think you know what I think is a lot more sadder as time as we've come at it from this angle of looking in [TS]
01:24:21 ◼ ► and you know that there are other aspects to advertising to do with the issue that we haven't even talked about. [TS]
01:24:27 ◼ ► So I suspect maybe maybe talking about this again sometime in my gma maybe it may be in the follow up I don't know I [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► and you need you need to pack up oh about a pack a probably make a number yet. Email me that checklist. [TS]