00:00:00 ◼ ► I discovered that at this time of night. My office turns into a yoga studio before we start follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► Yeah can I ask you a question about follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/9">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► There's been some you know say back in comments going around that you know we always start the podcast with this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► of follow up and correcting mistakes and re discussing things from the episode before and some people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/19">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► but other people have suggested that it's not the way to step the pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/26">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► You do believe it is you know and you're kind of the boss in a lot of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► Why do you want to do this as well and I I like I like you to think I don't want you to think you're the boss. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► OK Why is this the best way to stop the podcasts. You know do you feel strongly about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/39">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► I do I do if I do feel strongly about follow up first because if someone is listening to the podcasts in chronological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/46">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► order it makes sense to do follow up as the first section because if they're listening to a bunch of episodes in a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► when they finish episode three the start of episode four follows very naturally from what we were talking about in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/62">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► previous one so the follow up is obviously the next section and when we when we started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/70">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► when I was thinking about doing a podcast I did think maybe maybe we will record the follow up first because that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/78">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► thing that makes more sense to talk about kind of chronologically and then just edit it so with at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/85">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► and in the main topic is in the beginning but I don't I don't think that works because in all of our podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► when we do the main topic we almost always reference something that was in the follow up in the beginning so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/96">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► think you can say rearrange the conversation in post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► I think follow up has to be first because like any conversation you're going to refer back to it later on which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► exactly what we do. I could say I I wasn't sure at the start but I've been become a real convert. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/112">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► I think I think there's a real culture in sort of media and broadcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/120">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► and anything to sort of you know put yes put is strong stuff the stuff you know don't bury the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/124">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► and pull people in from the start and have a hook and POD pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/130">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► or a different creature in that way they are just like a like a chair and I think it's OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/135">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► but most chats just out of meandering before they settle on a focus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/140">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► Yeah I think you know if people enjoy the podcast which I which I hope they do if they're still listening at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► eight episodes in I think it is presumably they're listening because they still like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► and I know at least for the pod cast that I listen to it's very much to me it feels like I get to sit in on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/156">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► conversation with people who I would not normally get to sit in on a conversation with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/164">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► I like that feeling and conversations they have a particular flow right when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/169">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► when you sit down with your friends you catch up on what's happened since the last time you sat down together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/174">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► You don't sit down at a table and think Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► What's my strongest opening story to tell my friends and I sit down we're going to lead with a bang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► and then later on we'll wrap up with the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► but right now we've got a lead with the main story so that that's not how friends talk to each other and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/190">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► and I are friends and we're sitting down so I think it's very natural for followup to come first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/195">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► All right let's do a follow up what do you got from last time so I just had to make make a reference for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/199">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► have not been on the Reddit you really should go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► It's great there's a lot of very good conversation on the Reddit but unbelievably last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► when we put our podcast up we made reference in the middle of that podcast to possibly somebody about to get on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/215">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► airplane you know who may have just downloaded that and you were talking about plane crashes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► Yes my and my obsession with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/227">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► Yes I have and I could not believe it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/229">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► when I put it up the very first comments on the Reddit mere minutes after uploading someone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/233">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Said and I took a little screenshot here Thomas said yay. Excellent timing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/240">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► I'm just about to board a plane and go to the book and was going to book I brought with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► Now I have two hours of the podcast to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/251">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► and then if it is with you guys are too good to me it's just a very very nice comments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/254">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► But knowing that he was about to go into an episode where we discussed plane crashes for a not a trivial amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/263">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► I just couldn't believe the coincidence that happened there that the very first comment was exactly the thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► were we were suggesting might occur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► So anyway the best thing about that was like in the podcast you made that joke about someone on a plane listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/277">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► and then you like spoke directly to them for a joke and you said I hope you're enjoying this team right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and that guy's name was Tom. Right so. SO CLOSE TO BEING Well it would have been it would have been just perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/289">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► But anyway so there's fun fun things that happen on the Reddit ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/298">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► and I just want to I think it's a it's a really great community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► and we were discussing before recording now that there's a lot of activity there and it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► and I really do look over the discussion so any time you want to talk about whatever we discuss on the podcast the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/309">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► and there will be a link in the show notes to whatever we have a link is for this episode. So I'll put that there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Did we hear back from Tom after his flight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► Yeah he was he was actually OK we did not cause him a lot of anxiety but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/326">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► when he landed on the other end he said that he enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► and so I'm glad that we did not give him a panic attack on the flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► or you did not give him a panic attack on the flight really I would say that must be your fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► You know what's amazing Gray what like we're talking about we're talking like you know week later however long it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/340">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► been and we're not really much closer to knowing what happened to that Malaysia Airlines plane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/346">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► Oh yeah you have to you have to file these things for me so you must know what's going on you're not that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/351">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Actually we thought that we'd talk about later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/360">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► but no last last headline I saw was something about a presumably a hijacking is that the current state of Idaho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/361">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► and I were nowhere near that but I don't I don't I don't think it was a hijacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► but the latest is they seem to be having all the satellite imagery of possible debris. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► You know thousands of kilometers off the coast of Perth in Australia quite some distance from where that plane was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/381">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► Basically it's done the hard left and then just if this is if it's there it's on a hard left and just flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/389">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► and flying and flying and then maybe read a few maybe being crashed into the ocean like in like the most remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/396">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► Pretty much the most remote place this could happen. So. Something's going on man who's crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/405">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► Maybe next maybe next week we'll know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► but this is going to be this is I keep thinking it's going to be something simple and maybe it still will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/414">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► when this is looking stranger and stranger. Staging and staging to Brady's plane crash Kona hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/420">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► I have a feeling like I would I would not want to be but I feel like you could make this a regular segment every week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/429">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Talk about some plane crash with an interesting story from a plane crash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► I feel that the depth of your love for this topic is quite deep and they are not talking about freebasing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/438">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► We're not talking about freebooting anymore although I do have a follow up item about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► but probably not for another time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► OK I tell you what you stirred up a right hornet's nest in the last episode with this language education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/449">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► Yes yes I do know you knew it you knew it was going to happen to you. I did know that it was going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► I did know it was going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and in addition to reading all of the Reddit comments Derek of Veritasium is here in London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/465">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► and he's taken some time out to see me and I saw Derek earlier today and the day before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► And I can say that he probably spent at least eight hours of human effort one on one trying to convince me otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/480">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► for my opinions about dropping language classes from the curriculum and you could say you got off lightly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/492">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► When Terry decides he's right about something I know is it's nothing I think it's only because he had to fit me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/499">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► between other appointments of things over here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/505">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► Otherwise you know I left I left to Derek just just a couple hours ago at the pub I think he would still be sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/508">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► there now with me trying to convince me if if if he hadn't had to go somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► and we had to record the podcast so he would he was very intense about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/519">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► and he says now we see if his opinion is different to yours he's a big advocate of extensive language teaching in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/524">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► schools can you sort of summarize his position for us. The answer is I cannot summarize it for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/532">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► And I kept I kept mentioning this to him in the bar because he had he had actually a letter to me he had written this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► whole thing on his i Phone that it was like a bullet pointed argument about all the ways in which I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/547">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► and all the ways in which I should I should reconsider my my positions and to to be fair to Derek. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/554">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► I cannot I think possibly try to summarize his arguments without getting it just just wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/562">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► or making him more infuriated because with eight hours there's a lot of nuance that you can tune in to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/569">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► We can suffice it to say that I was not I was not moved by Derek. I have not changed my opinion in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/575">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► There's nothing he said that made a dent anywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► Now a chink in your armor is that it's it's I think if I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/586">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► but there are a few there are a few interesting interesting kind of things to bring up about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/590">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► I'm not summarizing Derek's argument what I'm about to say but I'm going to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Similar thing that came up on the Reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and in some of the feedback that I got was comments about the benefits of learning languages cognitive benefits that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/603">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► are not necessarily the language themselves but things that you get from learning a second language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/611">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► and I want to be clear. I don't doubt that there are benefits to learning another language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/618">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► But my my point was that I don't think the school system as it currently exists actually produces people who are able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/624">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► So you can talk to me as much as you want about the benefits of learning other languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► but the current school system just doesn't do that so it's sort of it's sort of irrelevant how awesome it is to speak a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► second language when we're not coming out with kids who actually do speak other languages so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/646">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► I would say that that was part of the part of the feedback that I got you have to let you teach people sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and physical education and they don't come out as athletes at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► but the process of playing the game taught them to say no I did have a health benefit taught them things about teamwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/661">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► it taught them things it improve their coordination it did lots of other things even though they're coming out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/667">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► major league baseball or at the end and yeah I know you realize this but you seem to say I realize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/673">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► I guess I guess I just my my thought on this is that the the the things that I have seen about the benefits of learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/681">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► a language are presupposing basic competence in that language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/688">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► When a person has basic competence in the language here are the benefits that they also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► and so my my position is is that I don't think most language courses have their students reach basic conversational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/697">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► competence to to get those benefits like it's like a threshold effect I was I didn't mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/705">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► but I also want to be clear because there could be really angry otherwise that was that was not the sole of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► arguments and he also had a very different language experience than I did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► It sounded like he actually had quite a successful schooling experience in general which included which by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► language teachers I think is a good idea. Starting teaching French. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► Forget what he said but in primary school he was very young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► when they started doing French which I think if you're going if you're going to teach language you might as well start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/732">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► when kids are very young. Right if we're going to do this let's do it right and and start from the very beginning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/737">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► But yeah so he he had a very different experience with me and I'm slightly exhausted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► but unmoved you realise you realise I've got next he's coming to me for three days now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/749">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► and I am I just going to people with language stuff you maybe you maybe I do have I do have a personal piece of advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/755">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► for you and anyone else who sees Derek in the next couple of days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► I have a major regret which is that when I met Eric we met in the Natural History Museum here in London. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/766">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► I gave Derek a hug to say hello. You know I haven't seen you in a while a hug and I really shouldn't have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/773">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► Because Derek was was sick but I thought let me let me express my great friendship to Derek. Nice big hello hug. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/781">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► And now I'm feeling terrible. I am feeling very sick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/789">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► Derek gave me a disease from physical proximity I'm absolutely sure he is now on his way to you acting as the Typhoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/794">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and the Mrs may be experiencing symptoms of not feeling very well so I do also apologize to listeners if my voice isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/806">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► an absolutely perfect What if you hear me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► If you hear the sound of like crinkly and rapping like I'm doing now I have halls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► and a whole bunch of other medicines that I'm shoving in to my face right now to try to sound more normal so I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► you sound terrible but you're going to have to listen to them for the moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► Where going when sharing a hot tub with Derek so we're in for a world we're going to the spa the hot spots are in Bath. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► You are definitely a disease vector Derek. That's going to happen to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/837">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► Sorry can I share an e-mail with you I got all this is about language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/841">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► It's actually funny that this bit of a trend I've noticed since we started the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and take you to the one which is about a map a little more e-mails. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/850">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► but it's really funny because I'm getting that short a mouse like you recommended that we close because I think we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/855">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► made our positions clear that you are pretty ruthless with a mile in terms of not reading it and deleting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/860">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► and I was a bit more of a softy and I say that I sometimes read a mouse in cages and yeah I'm in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► and I'm getting all these e-mails that are kind of almost directed at you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/872">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► All of it directed at both of us and they're saying I know gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► when read by your mouth I know there's a chance you're ready so can you tell gray this so can you make my argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/880">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► me. So anyway this is perfect. Like this is quite a lot. This way you can filter out the interesting things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► So and I think we should be a policy right forward for any and all feedback in an e-mail form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/894">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► Female Brady if you didn't read your message I think this is great I really like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► You are basically now a human being easy an email filter for me for the feedback so go ahead tell me what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/907">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► interesting thing that made it through. I I haven't felt this story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/916">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► If anyone decides that they're going to do that I know that I mean maybe F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Now don't aim at me you know you're still going to read them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/927">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► Anyway I did get this email from a Jew named Sean I don't know if I should say his surname because he might like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/933">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► I'm always really reluctant to use people synonyms you know I say the general policy let's stick with first names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► showing you know who you are your name out. It was very good. You made a lot of good points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/948">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► Some I agree with some I have no opinion on but some I didn't make in our discussion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/952">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► I mean like most things in life I have no really firm position on this whole language in school debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► but I try to put the other side because you put he put your side so strongly and he made some really good points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/966">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► and I want to share a couple of them with one of the points you talked about in the last podcast how you think sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/972">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► machine translation is moving along so quickly that that's one of the reasons speaking other languages will become sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/978">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► of a less important scale as time goes by. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/985">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► He politely but strongly disagreed with that and he think it seems to be an area he knows quite a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/989">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► and he hey think Square fifty if not one hundred years away from computerized language translation being really top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/996">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► notch like reaching a level that is acceptable for strong purposes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► Also museum now and you can decide if you want to write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► and he made a strong case for it so I just want to throw that in the mix I don't I don't know if you know my my my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► thought on that just just very briefly is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► when I talk about the language translation we discuss it a little bit last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► but my main thought about that is the scenario of the utility is it good enough for most people traveling in a foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► country to communicate with the people around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► and I think that that is the language barrier for most people I imagine especially especially if you are ever having to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► I translate a work that has any kind of nuance to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► Like if you're translating a novel between languages I don't I don't think machine translation is going to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► do that kind of work for a very long time because I think that's why that that is not a question of communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► translating some of it has style to it. You mean I think Derek for that cough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► Yeah I will back off what I was going to say is I was reading a document while you're talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1073">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► The beginning points of machine language translation like what how do you begin to train these algorithms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► and I think to give you a sense of how of how dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► and utilitarian the translations may be is that the starting point for this one algorithm that I was reading about was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► the European Union corpus of laws because for those of you who are aware in the European Union I should know the socks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► off my head but I think if there are something like twenty two or twenty four different official languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► and what that means is that any document that is issued in the European Union has to have legal copies in all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► other languages which is why you can find these the statistics for how many human hours is employed in this endeavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► which is which is quite a lot for the record I just want to say I'm totally OK with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► but if you're going to designate something as an official language you need to produce documents in that language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► but basically the result of that you end up having just this enormous treasure trove for computer linguistics of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Thousands of documents that have been translated into this twenty something different languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► and so it's a great training ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► and by training algorithms a little where you can actually have them learn on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► but the result means that like your translation style is going to sound probably as dry as a European Union legal memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► is going to sound so I don't I don't think that we're going to have translations of poetry that are anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► but laughable for quite a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► Well if that's your if that's your brief response to that first point out of a limit the number of Sean's points I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► share with you and I will point out I'm only briefly summarizing I'm not I'm not pointing out his whole argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► Another point he made that was very good that you were saying you're an advocate of coding computer programming as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► something that would be more valuable to teach in schools. He rightly points out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► A computer language is a change very quickly become outdated very quickly you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► What languages are we going to. Computer languages are we going to teach in SCO people going to come out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► Fluent in some code is redundant before they even reach the job market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► Yes I think it's a huge point I discussed this with Derek a little bit tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► or any any future podcast we talk about I mean computer programming languages in a very very broad way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► I think there are there are lots of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► If I was having a computer language course that I would teach that would not be straight up computer languages so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► example when I when I worked as a teacher I taught a course in electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► and that was a one hundred percent hands on practical course no code at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► But what it was was the kids had to connect a bunch of sensors and buttons and switches to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► and they had to make those connections using logic gates. So those are things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► and the light sensor is active then make the buzzer sound so so I think any kind of teaching of logic to me falls under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► this category of what a computer programming language is just the very idea of how do you talk to computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► And so even though computer programmers in the audience right there in their head will explode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► when I put this in the same category. But I would be totally happy to have a lot done in say spreadsheets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► There's an enormous amount of stuff you can do with a spreadsheet that is if then else right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► If this number is this then do that thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► That's what I mean by computer programming just the idea of teaching how to communicate with computer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► It's going to in a logical way. That's a very very broad very broad definition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► But to specifically answer his question about the language I would say that the language is in the field seem to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► There are languages that don't move very much and for example you know if you're using and it's twenty fourteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► and if you're using an i Phone those i Phones are still programmed in basically an in a variant of the language of C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► Which I got I mean off the top my head I'm going to say C. Is at least one nine hundred seventy S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► Kind of old so that's not it. I mean she's not a pretty language program a little bit in C. Sorry C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► Programmers it is kind of ugly. Lisp is beautiful for those in the audience who are listening and I do like Python. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► But anyway you can pick languages that don't change very much but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► Much more with computer languages than with say human languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► The internal concepts but the logical gates of if then else and now and those things are universal in languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► and the syntactic differences between programming languages are not as large as you might think they are so let me read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► you something shown right which I quite liked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► Yeah and this sort of touches nicely on something you covered a few seconds ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► And maybe this also is where we come to the interesting point where sort of the robot grey vs the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► but this really appealed to me may be a way to go to you and this is what genre. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► Yeah the selling point for taking language from a is as you alluded to in the podcast the access point to culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► but I would include all human culture in that more than anything else in our makeup we want to understand language it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► is literally in our D.N.A. More than physics math almost anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► Language is what distinguishes us evolutionarily from the rest of the animals and is deeply low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1434">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► I want to have cognitive ability. The second part of that is undeniably true that humans are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► I mean especially little humans are just language absorbing machines that's clearly built straight into our D.N.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► But that's that's something that kids do but I I feel I have to hear that first bit of it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► but I just just because that's a thing that humans intrinsically are good at when they're young. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► I don't I don't see that as an as a convincing argument for why we should teach it in this very formulaic way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► Well let me show it also made the point that Derek made which is that he thinks it's really important to start young. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► And maybe if we started young we'd be less inclined to give it the flick later on but something else he said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► Just because something may be poorly taught is not an excuse for it to not be taught. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► I mean I think he's saying there that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► and it's being taught all the SCO don't get it. Just take it better here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► I cover this in the dark because it did go on for forever wondering if this is a shoo in is actually like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► Derek trying to sneak in. Yeah it can get more failure with his toys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I would have just said that this cannot be the topic for stakes will be go on forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► but the language thing is very much connected with my with my opinions of how school in general works in a modern world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► which having seen it as a professional in that environment is generally very poor I don't think I think the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► education system has as a whole lot of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► and so I would leave it at that as like that there are very many things that I would change about the education system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► and I just think language is particularly ill suited for the sit at a desk kind of learning method but there are many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1551">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► They're just done terribly as well in that system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► but obviously we still we still send kids to school so let's let it let's let the language get to final points I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► arguing point just a couple quick things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► First if I meant to mention last time I didn't mention it if if you are a person who does want to learn languages there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► is a great little app that I played around with on the i Phone on the i Pad called dual lingo or do I do lingo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► and I think that that dual lingo is a good example of how a well done program can really accelerate learning in an area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► so I just played around that for a little while with my very rusty Spanish and it's done really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► and I think if you had a dedicated student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► and you just gave them this this one little app they could make a lot of progress in a way faster than they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1614">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► in the classroom on their own so I'm not against language learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► and if if you are trying to learn a language I would recommend this app just just for my little experience playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► And the second thing that just going back to the e-mails I have a little note here which is again might make me sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► like a total monster but I did get one e-mail about language feedback from someone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► Yeah and all I'm going to say about that e-mail is it came on my screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► and I was shocked by how long it was in a few little scroll bar on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► and it was this like tiny little dot of a scroll ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and it started right off like you know I have some points to make about language you know whatever kind of schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► girls' schools go and it's a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► And normally you know I delete e-mails that are very long but this was so long it caught my attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► Well we found a new way through the C.D.P. Gratiot and it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► So Long It caught my attention just long enough to be able to do the keyboard command to pull up a word count which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► sixteen hundred words before I hit the delete button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1688">TS</a>]
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00:28:25 ◼ ► when you are sick in bed and just can't do anything else except lie there with your eyes closed all sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► and recovering which is something I know a little bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► and the i OS app for Audible has a little sleep timer so that if you think you're maybe not going to stay awake through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► the length of your audio book you can have it automatically shut off after a certain amount of time which is very handy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► So yes this is great in the future who's in much worse shape than C.D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► Gray in the past he was recording the episode that you're actually listening to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and who was just mildly sick from his encounter with Derek but is now a lot worse off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► But that brings me to an audio book recommendation for you for a book called The Great Influenza. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► The story of the deadliest pandemic in history by John M. Barry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► It's about the flu epidemic of one nine hundred eighteen which in modern days we think of flu as a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► and forget how incredibly deadly It used to be in one thousand eight hundred seven times more people died of the flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► than died in the First World War and it was just a pandemic of major proportions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► and the book chronicles what we think about how the disease got started and how it spread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► And from my perspective the most interesting thing was also just about how little was really known about effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► Basically pre-one nine hundred going to a doctor was just basically like rolling the dice maybe he'd make you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► but possibly he would kill you or make you worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► And the great influence sort of lucky for us as a species came after some very basic medical knowledge was finally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Put into practice I mean really stuff that you would think any first grade kid would know these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► but at the time it was the cutting edge of science. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► and the audio version is narrated by a guy called Scott Brick who is one of my favorite audiobook narrators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and I'm sure I'll mention some stuff of his in the future as well. So give it a listen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► And of course you can listen to that book for free by signing up at Audible dot com slash hello internet. All one word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► So if you want to listen to it audible definitely has it with over one hundred fifty thousand titles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and virtually every genre you're going to find what you're looking for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1833">TS</a>]
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00:30:43 ◼ ► That's Audible dot com slash hello internet. Or you can click the link in the show notes right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Anything you've been up to lately you've been pretty busy thinking about this actually like today a couple of hours ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► I was doing a few chores around the house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► I'm just dropping in to you know make me sound like I don't just sit here and read the Kapadia and I got a paper cut. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► The real tragedy you know this is how things are and then something else happened in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► or three things happened in a short space of time that were frustrating Mahon I was because I knew we were doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► podcast I was thinking you know I could talk about this or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► and then it made me realize just people who want to hear negative stuff in podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► and videos like if I if I'm unhappy or there's something that's annoying me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► I don't think people want to hear that I think you know I think I want to hear stuff that's what constructive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► or interesting or like relevant or things that are quite funny and positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► but I don't think I just want to hear moaning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► Is there a market for moaning and I don't hear pod cast such as people being miserable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► I think people being miserable in trysting ways can be very interesting. Yeah you know it all depends on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► It all depends on how the story is told a story about the tragedy of your paper cuts could be really great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► Millions rolling I would say this particular version of it was not it was not snow drawling I didn't I didn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► I didn't turn it into a ripping Yeah I did you know he didn't really sell it it was just a random event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► But there isn't just value in positive stuff there is there is definitely value in negative stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► and I think particularly in as I did in many of the early episodes in self criticism I think there is there is there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► value to be had there because sometimes the person who is complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► or self-critical is aware of genuine flaws in the way that people who are endlessly optimistic maybe are not yet an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► eternal optimism of the Spotless Mind is sort of by definition slightly deluded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► or unaware of lots of things so I don't know if that exactly ties in with what you are talking about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► or do you want to have like a spin off show that is Brady moans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► and really I don't know no no I just I was just thinking like you know I know in like a New Age happy clappy type way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► because I'm not really like but I was thinking like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► You can you can start getting too negative sometimes but you can start seeing the negative in everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► and I think I think it can be a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► And for people like like us they sort of work alone and you know get lost in their own minds quite a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► You know like you say I think like so so criticism and an awareness of problems is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► but you can you can get a bit negative sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► and I think it's important to to realize that we've got a pretty good life. Things are pretty good yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► Again this is this is the pod cast of first world You Tube or problem. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Which I've seen a few people on the right it also pick up on and yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► But that kind of a kind of feedback is also I've seen that go both ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► or some people are interested in first world You Tube or problem yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► but you know it's again it depends on how things are how things are told I think I went to Sheffield this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► and did some sort of public speaking of couple of talks about each of them about my work and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► I made sure I mentioned I mentioned your videos as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► I don't just sit there until people how great my videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and I want to make sure I give a mention to two other good videos but I quite enjoy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► I quite enjoy going and giving talks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► It's not an I it's something I like is it something you have much experience with giving talks giving talks can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► I think I've sort of obliquely mentioned before that I used to have a sort of time management business before I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► into the You Tube world and I gave talks with that on occasion. And yeah I think I really liked it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► I'm going to be really good public space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► or you know you got such a seriously voice that everybody loves for public speaking it was something I put a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► And I can say that I definitely enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► and having been a teacher it's something that I think you get very used to talking in front of groups of people is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► obviously something that I haven't done in quite a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► but no I could I could see doing something like that possibly in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► So maybe if this podcast thing doesn't work out we could do some kind of you know some sort of job growth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► Yeah I was going to become I think that if you could say oh yeah we get a little caravan tour up and down this island. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► Yes this is something this is like completely unrelated to what we're talking about it's completely out of left field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► but what we were saying to just remind me of and since we did this pod cast it's become a question I want to ask you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2152">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► If it became feasible in this kind of you know future technology world that people sometimes talk about to have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► kind of consciousness taken out of your body and into a computer or into the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► and you could just be completely remote from your body and live virtually does that a pity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► There are a lot of philosophical questions but that that there are a lot of philosophical problems with that question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► I don't want to turn into a big discussion about it and I know this is coming about a sane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► and yet a some I think I saw a preview for some Johnny Depp film and that's going to do with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and then we could do a how. And I hopefully will talk about it more. But just like on a gut level instinct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► Well you just mentioned that one of the philosophical issues with us because I try to be very consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► and very evidence based in my thinking in my life I don't know if listeners are aware of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► but that's a general philosophy that I have. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► But there is there is one that one area of a kind of unknowable question that I'm very aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► and it is the transporter on Star Trek so my wife she would not describe herself as a big Trekkie I would say that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► is a big Trekkie and we watch Star Trek together sometimes and whenever they go in that in the transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► and beam down to the surface of the planet. So I kind of assume that the crew members are dead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► and the creature has appeared on the surface of the planet is an exact recreation of them as they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► when they stepped in the transporter. But it's not the same person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► Kirk gets into the transporter and he's thinking about whatever green aliens probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► And then when the transporter goes that is the end of his existence. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► And on the planet there is a different living thing that finishes that thought about green beans. Mike you're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► But how would you ever prove that it's a different Kirk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► I don't think there is any way to ever prove that because you know if you if you interrogated him if you had all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► questions you did the same person from all external measures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► but my guess would be that that it's not a consistent consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► but it's a different person who just thinks that they're the same person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► I don't know how you prove it but I'm imagining the method is going to somehow involve tagging of the particles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► or it's going to somehow involve quantum entanglement or something of that is going to be a way to prove that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Like he's physically a different person. You know he's made from different molecules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► I mean that can be your only criteria it can't be that the configuration of brain waves and things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► Well we what we what we know from physics is that individual atoms are not different from each other all hydrogen atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► are basically the same hydrogen atom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► You can't exactly say that there's anything different about the individual atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► and it also gets into some arguments about how does the transporter work in the first place which I think are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► irrelevant to the fundamental question. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► Does the transporter recreate the person from the energy on the surface of the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► or is it actually sending their individual atoms in a stream which I don't think is the official Star Trek explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► I imagine if we had transporters now there would be no way to prove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► and I can imagine that no matter how far science ever got that maybe they're just wouldn't ever be a way to demonstrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► this conclusively you know how do you know how you are telling me you know how you are telling me you watch the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► vs George Lucas and it made you feel uncomfortable that made the people really know it's discussions like this. OK so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2390">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► And they have an episode of Star Trek where they end up with duplicate people which to me seems like clearly the subset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► Anyway this is all a roundabout way to say that if there was some kind of technology that existed to transfer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► consciousness into a machine I would always be hesitant to use it because I would feel I would personally think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► this is actually the death of me and it is the creation of a thing that thinks that it is me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► but there might not be any way to ever prove that. So I would in future worlds that I hope exist soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► I am much more a fan of the I think for the the Ship of Theseus problem where you slowly augment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and slowly change over your physical being a piece at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► and I think OK maybe I am more amenable to this idea of augmenting the brain slowly over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► And maybe this feels more like it's still me not a person who says you know my X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► Is ten years old and I've changed the handle three times in the black four times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► Yes At the same acts the same it's the same kind of thing oh you know my memory is getting a little bit bad so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► and slowly the brain becomes more chips than it is actually you know squishy delicate fragile organic matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► and is that still me at that point I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► First I'm surprised you've given me hope in your humanity that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► and if if there was a way to know for sure that the consciousness transfer would not kill me I would do it you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► you define kill here like in a night like this is this is seems like a wishy washy definition of death even. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► This gets messy really quickly. I'm thinking of it as a continuous stream of consciousness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► but there are it's easy to poke holes in that kind of argument as well you know have you died every time you wake up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► the morning because I was in a continuous stream of consciousness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► So I'm not sure if it gives you hope because again I am I am first on the cyborg train with replacing any parts of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► body that I can with superior mechanical ones I mean just just without a doubt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► What would you replace first if I said you could replace something tomorrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► Well if we're going to see brain advancements which are obviously the way to go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► and they let you make better decisions about what parts to replace if ever going to assume that my my brain is limited. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► Thank you the top two things on my list. I would replace my eyes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► And that's partly because I have some visual problems with one of my eyes in particular so I already write like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► this this sack of fluid in my face that isn't working perfectly and so I would like to replace it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2572">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and then the second thing I would replace would be my inner ear drums to have tonight is in both ears so I always hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► ringing sound all the time. Well tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► Yeah it's irritating but it's not you know certain people have it much worse than I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► I'm relatively lucky though right now I don't hear it because I'm talking to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► when there's this stuff going on so it's not as bad as it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► but if I if I'm in a quiet room there is no such thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► For me there was always a high pitch mean noise if a room gets too quiet so I replace my ears then next on the list you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► know and then that would be the be the top priority but everything as soon as the machine is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► I mean obviously just a fool to not you know upgrade to the the newer better model of whatever's in the bottle that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► topic that's what you want and it just was on my mind talking about talking about current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► and first well gee two problems I will talk about something that's been in current news but in the context of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2630">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► My channels appearing videos and sixty symbols which a lot as you know a lot of chemistry and physics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► Yes they traditionally have been kind of my more newsy channels in terms of if something happens in you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► world I'm able to react to it with those channels and you know the latest news in chemistry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► and physics traditionally have done this very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► Well you know usually on the same day if possible like you know you know I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► I've always been able to quickly drive to the University of Nottingham where where I fit where most of my collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► and as you also know I've recently left Nottingham arrive I live quite I live about two to three hours drive from Nottingham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► now so my my trip my filming there is more strategic and planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► and it has taken away my ability to make these fast reacting videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► And obviously this means absolutely nothing to you who does not make fast rejecting videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► but it has been a change in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► and I've been very frustrated by just recently because of the the announcement of the the polarized a lot I found in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► the cosmic microwave background this kind of you know this this new evidence of primordial gravitational waves is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► exciting and I've been really came to make a video that will and I have finally done the interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► and I would be editing the video now if we weren't talking at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► but it's been quite frustrating not having not been quite so close to all my experts anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► First world a huge huge problem. I do I no longer have instant access to world class physicists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► What a terrible what a terrible thing has happened to me. For shame. As it has it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► So I faced this obviously a lot because of my terrible production cycle has changed by the time you make a video about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► it the gravitational waves with a lot you know there's sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Topics are sold by the time I get around to them everything is change I think boy I'm glad I didn't do it you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► But has it has it has it changed any of the videos that you have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► or have you just not not as a political system as you otherwise would have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► Oh no I think what I think has nothing to my production right because I'm always I'm always behind you know I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► got you know I must have twenty to thirty videos that if I never if I couldn't film again I could probably make another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► fifty or sixty really just on the material I'm sitting on at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► and haven't got around to it so it hasn't it hasn't slowed me down in that respect but it has it does affect me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► when it comes to making very reactive videos same day type videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► and I will win the Nobel Prize was always a fun one because I would always sit there with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► Yeah there are like Yeah so we you know we have a video up within two or three hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► and you know I guess my background in news journalism has been has made that same very simple thing for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Anyway so much of that because it's an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and it's that kind of first world a problem that no one will really sympathize with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► but obviously you know I get all these tweets and e-mails and messages now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► When you going to do a video that are set on the gravitational waves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► and the answer is Well hopefully if I start late I might get it done but then I went down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► and you know to be a host someone might not return next week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► Unbelievable unbelievable amounts of time and absolutely unbelievable. I apologize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► Things are different when you can't react instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► and I almost I almost look at that as a kind of guiding principle for the way I make a lot of decisions about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► structure my life is that I don't necessarily want to react to things immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► And what with the with the video topics that I choose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► I'm almost kind of glad that my production cycle is so slow because it forces me to pick topics that are going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► relevant for a long time time time time the city airs I mean that's a great thing about your videos you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► and if I if I was able to make videos faster I could see getting swept up into a much more following the news cycle system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► And I mean you you are a former newsman So obviously you love the news cycle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► but for me I feel like that's something I want to stay away from as as much as possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► And yeah it's OK if you've heard this phrase a Low Information Diet which is consciously making decisions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► limiting the number of inputs to your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► and this is this is this is something that I definitely consciously do about trying to limit the number of sources of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► news that can come in to come into my world and I think it can be really beneficial to slow down the pace of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and to to react on a longer timescale if you possibly can because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► You know a lot of news that can come in is just not necessarily really relevant or or actionable to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► but you get caught up in a cycle of always staying on top of that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► So you're not aware that Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin of broken up I am not aware of that but I say something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► So before you know when you said the thing about that the gravitational waves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► and I said Oh I heard about that yeah I said that because if you listening now I hope that for a moment that made Derek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► absolutely furious because when Derek came to visit me in London that was one of the first things that we talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Yeah and he said to me in a cafe so if you heard about the electric waves in the cosmic background radiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/2992">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► and he was absolutely apoplectic about how I had not come across this piece of information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► and how was the biggest scientific discovery of the year and he was just horrified that I did not know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► But from my perspective we had a lovely conversation where Derek informed me all about this and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► when you mention it I can say oh yes I have heard about that thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► when someone tells you that Christmas going to poach are broken up you can say yeah yeah yeah I did hear about yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► and this is this is one of the things about kind of if I don't follow the news I don't really read the news that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► intentional. But it's impossible for big stuff not to find its way to you anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► Yeah and that's what I think is the great advantage right. There's a huge scientific discovery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► If it's really huge I'm going to hear about it sooner or later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► or if there's a really big thing going on in the news that really matters it's going to be impossible not to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► but the benefit of filtering out a whole bunch of little minor stuff that doesn't matter is I think huge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► You just don't occupy your mind with that stuff and it doesn't it doesn't take up it doesn't take up your time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► Do you know who won that game between Manchester United and Manchester City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► and she said Oh c'mon you know I have no idea you know I couldn't even tell you what I don't know is what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► talking about. Yes I mean no way to know if you know it. Manchester United is so boring it is. Yes OK soccer soccer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► I write I don't envy you not being a slave to school like sport is I'm really into cricket I have heard Yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► and recently Australia have been playing some significant cricket series they had a really big one in Australia against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► England that I was completely obsessed with and as you know there were these five day games and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Last hours and so this epic thing and because it was in Australia and I live in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► It was a really bad time for me and I just couldn't sleep at night I was sleeping with my i Phone under my pillow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► and naturally waking up every ten minutes and checking the score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► and what my it was obviously in my subconscious because I couldn't sleep if I fell asleep I would wake up ten minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► an addict you're either you're an addict there man I know where you stand on addiction today I'm already regretting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► telling you this now that is crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► I just I just I'm just so passionate about I just look at that matters so much to me it affects my mood so much house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► trying to perform a cricket and this is where you can be found with a glad I'm not married to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► The fact that by the boards. Oh man I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► If that's the only reason you're glad you're not married to me we got problems. Pretty high on the list you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► Yeah if I was going to make a list of reasons not to marry Brady I don't think we'll be a good couple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► He gets grumpy if his sports team is losing you know this is you know this is common I know you laugh like it's a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► little Brady thing you know this is really common in the world that mark particularly among men that their mood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► affected by the performance of sport teams they're passionate about you know this is common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► I can understand that that people get elated when their sports teams win and sad with their sports teams lose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Does the the emotional drama of sports teams can that I mean that I guess that's why people follow them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► Partly but it sounds like you're just all a big grew up around the house because oil didn't didn't pull it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► when it went it wasn't like it won't be a long term thing like if we lose it within half an hour say it's a forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► thing. They were like a freezing if we lose sight of They'll lose if we lose. I find that so interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3228">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► Yeah I mean you know it's I do the same thing in other domains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► and that's I think that's a very very natural to human kind of thing to do is is to associate well throw me a bone here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► what's your demand let me laugh at you for a minute what something you become unreasonably passionate about no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► think there are things that become unreal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► Maybe you have to ask my wife about things that become a passion about it I think from my perspective I think oh wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► I'm I'm completely reasonable on all topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► but what I was going to say the thing is I know a student pointed out to me once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► when I was teaching physics lessons I would use the we when talking about scientific discoveries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► Yeah the sort of we have discovered very many exoplanets in the last five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► and I notice most is not a science you do that. Yeah and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► I think I'm using that in this way in the collective humanities sense of the word but it's the same thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► when someone says we've won the football right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► I have discovered no exoplanets actual people who got Ph D.'s and who know what they're doing and put in the hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► and the work they discovered exoplanets exoplanets are automated now it's not even humans doing it's computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► but you know even then it's so that's not that we write it's OK an algorithm has discovered this is not me in any sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► and every one of my students want it who do you mean by we owe humanity as a whole is who I mean by we. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► Yeah I didn't do anything at all about this which I think she might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► but the is he trying to take credit for this stuff I don't think he did this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► It's an interest it's an interesting thing. I mean obviously I am as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► I don't consider myself a straight man and I've lived in the U.K. For a long time now and it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3352">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► It's a real point of contention in my household with with my other half because I support Australia in sport. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Julie believes I should support England but I don't and I'm really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► and I actually go so far that I'm really really anti England because in sport Australians are traditionally quite anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► England so it's to a point where I will support against England [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► and against all other countries even if a strategy has no involvement whatsoever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► Well I think at this trial you will hear me say that and think well that's completely normal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► You know why it was bait England at rugby that's brilliant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► Is anyone basing where anything that's brilliant to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► and it was a funny thing actually I was I was listening to a radio talk show recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► and they were talking about that we're talking about something where this became relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► and they encourage They put a sign in and I don't find in radio talk shows but I fit because I really like this host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► and I was driving along and about to stop for a drink anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► It was I decided to call in and they put me on the radio station. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► They put me on the juice a lot where I was going to say and they put me on and I had a bit of banter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► and I explained all of this. It was very it was very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► Anyway in this particular talk show they had like a prize for the person who was the best best Cola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► BRADY that we're going to give we're going to give Brady the vouchers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► and because it was like a sports talk radio show The Ventures were like for a hardware store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► So they sent me these one hundred pounds worth of that just for a hardware store fifty pounds I can't remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► Anyway they sent it to me I was so pleased that I won these hardware store purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► They're like this history for you that it was sent to me by my favorite radio presenter ha ha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► and the funny thing is I'm so pleased with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► I refuse to spend the veterans like I keep them is like a little memento I know you love memento Yeah as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► and as a model you move your house along with the expensive casino. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► No chip that I won at a Monte Carlo Casino and I was so proud that I won on roulette. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► I wanted to keep the chip as a souvenir and didn't cash it in so the casino still got my money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► You're going to have a lot of these little trinkets around your house by the time you're sixty you know all around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► and I and you just be alone in a big cold white room so happy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Well hopefully I'll have at least somewhat robotic parts by the time I'm sixty actually you know you have you replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► Yeah I am I'm really counting on that I got like you know looking at my watch here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► and I have heard some people get it get on top of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► What is gonna end in use with the sort of I think that was supposed to be news in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► and I we talked about you being turned into a robot and Star Trek's time reporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► and yet it we're talking we're talking about the First World You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► or problems I would say that I have I have I'm experiencing with my current video what I think is best described as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► How long has it been since your last video that I don't know if I want to know so I want to look it up it's been too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► What do you know we should you know you know the terrible thing is I can't actually remember my last one was because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► Yeah we should we should fund and not put on Reddit was something how many videos are put out between your teeth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► Now I don't even want to become like a new game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► and I know that I'm not need to become a new game that would be really I'm going to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► Unknown how many do I have any videos I've had since you're in the studio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► God I wish I had not like this is that the focus has become a distraction is that a timesink Ana I will I will say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► and actually I guess you are moving house as well and yeah I just I want to know. So make a note about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► The park I think I think it feeds into a potentially a future thing that would be worth a whole topic about different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► kinds of energy for different kinds of projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► but I can say basically that that no the pod cast has not taken time away from videos because the videos are a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► different sort of work. Yeah but this is this is what I would say is the lateness cascade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► So I was I was working on a video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► and as I was going through it I realized about halfway through there's something interesting that I want to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► but I know that that is going to take a lot of time to do because I may need help from some other people to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► But but while I was working on the topic I realized because of the move I'm already kind of late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► and overdue for my next video so I don't want to pick a big huge topic to work on now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► Let me switch to a short topic so I shelved video a and moved on to video B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► This is about halfway properly yet or the beginning of March. Actually yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► and get this video done by the end of March because there's something in particular that I want to do for April. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► But now it looks like because of various things like the move like Derek infecting me with his virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► and taking up a whole bunch of my time today that was supposed to be working on a video image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► and to me about languages and and a few a few other things and also just my own taking a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► and I'm not trying to blame it on external factors like I just I'm slow with the video sometimes right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► So it doesn't look like I'm going to make it for the end of March because we're recording this what is today is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► twenty what twenty five bits I think twenty seven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► OK yes never going to happen is the twenty seventh I was aiming for it to be on the thirty first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► So that obviously is not it's not going to happen but for now here here is the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► and what I was realizing this morning when I thought oh God this is just spiraling out of control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► I think oh there's a topic that I want to do in particular for April topics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► but I also I think will be relatively short and quick. So do I drop topic B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► That I've been working on for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► or four weeks now at this point to switch the topic see to hit for April because a topic B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► Isn't doesn't matter what time it is but topic C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► Should happen in April if it's ever going to come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► and this is just this is the kind of problem that I run into sometimes just switching from one to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► when they're not fully complete and this is this is a problem in my own workflow and like trust me trust me internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► I am constantly trying to prove my own workflow because nobody wants to upload more videos than me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3774">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► However much you might think you might want to see a new CD gray video. Trust me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► C G P Gary wants that video more than you do. There are some times when I have to make changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► Usually it's killing a project because I just realize that a video just isn't working for whatever reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► Usually this is boring. I realize one day I'm bored by my own script this is just not interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► So that was not a good sign when you're reading something I think I don't even care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► And I'm supposed to be the person who cares the most right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► This is this is a problem sometimes of trying to switch to something quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► and I think that that is a kind of decision that I should make less probably. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► And this goes back to that computer talk for a second. I've been reading up on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► It's a thing called scrum which developers in the audience will know about but it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► It's a methodology for creating computer software because computer software is not similar to writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► but it's in the same genre of things where it's a big project. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► and it's very hard to put an estimate on how long it's going to take to actually make the thing to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► standard. So there are lots of software methodologies that exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► We're prepared to try to systematize the process of making something creative and I've been looking into scrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► and a few others because part of their fundamental philosophy is about pre committing to completion of certain tasks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► a certain amount of time and disallowing changes in that until a certain amount of time has passed and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► and thinking Who I wonder are you the very people who follow me on Twitter No I use a very heavy getting things done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► based system but I've been frustrated with that in the past few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► and I'm trying to switch to something different so scrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► and also thing called Agile the few software stuff that I'm looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► but basically I am also trying to improve my productive output and I'm very systematic about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► and I think that this is this is something I'm going to move to try for a little bit to see if I can avoid this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► switching problem which I'm fully well aware sometimes ends up in this kind of lateness cascade because this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► Yeah and I'll preface it by saying Your video is a very very good and they're better than my videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and that is because you know you spend so much time on them so I would never criticize you for spending a lot of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► on my new video is a feeling of a however orbit coming. However but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Yeah do I sometimes begin to wonder if you because you've become you become so preoccupied with procedures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► and putting all these things in place to increase your productivity that they actually affect your productivity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► And if you spent less time thinking how can I be more productive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► and instead spend time producing you'd make more stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► Yeah OK so I can completely understand how it seems this way from the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► but because it's something that I talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► and you probably think I love to talk with other people about how they get work done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► This is a perennial topic of conversation when I meet productive people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► Yeah but I think what one of the keys to an effective system is it has to be very light weight on a day to day basis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► So on a on any particular day I am not obsessed with how the system works and all of these various tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4014">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► and I think that there is there's a term for that which is productivity porn writer that you are reading up about tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► and tricks and all this kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► and it's it's it's like a kind of pornography right you're not doing anything you're just consuming this material. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► And I think that there is definitely something to that but I know him and my day to day it is not a driving thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► but as I mentioned one of my views I do have a weekly review system and that's when I think about this a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► and even the weekly seems too much to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► but by weekly review this doesn't this is not more than a really fifteen minute kind of think about how the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► workweek went scenario I'm not spending a whole morning pondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► and looking into the clouds of thinking oh I wonder how I could be more productive let me watch the crowd float by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► and we got to come into my mind right which would obviously be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Just terrible What are you doing are going to try this alpha beta test I'm going to try using this for a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► and see if it encrypt and then I'll try that and then I read about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► and it's time for me to completely review the system you know just make a video and then I want to what you really are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► OK Well let's let's talk about let's talk about the thing that I put off later was discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► and now which is the amount of energy. So all productive systems have a kind of bottleneck in them somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► Yeah there's going to be some point that is the slow point that you that you can't speed up no matter how much you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► and firm for me. That is the writing part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► That's the bottleneck everybody always thinks it is the animation it takes a really long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► It is it is the writing that takes a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► but it takes a long time because at least in my experience I can't sit down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► and just write say for eight hours in a row because there's a diminishing returns on improving the script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► and I definitely know on days there been days where I over work a script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and I can see they're like oh boy the last two revisions today are worse than when I started. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► I should I should have just stopped an hour ago because I actually made it worse than than it and in the beginning was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► So the slowness has a lot to do with the writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► It doesn't have a lot to do with just straight up animation or other problems that can happen with a video production. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► So I guess what I'm trying to say here is this is sometimes difficult to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► but I even I even heard myself saying it in the I think the third episode we were discussing work life balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► Yeah it is. It's very easy to talk about a lack of time because I think that's a socially acceptable construct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► Nobody's going to argue if you say like oh I'm too busy to do something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► Yeah right but time is not the resource that is really a question it is about how I wish I had a better word for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► but it really is about energy management and you have certain amount of energy for certain kinds of projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► Yeah I think concentration is a is a good way to put it because there's just a ton of very interesting research about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► particularly willpower and people's ability to make decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► and you can plot that stuff on a graph to show how this is basically like a battery that starts off strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► and runs down low as the day goes on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► So I can spend an hour editing at certain times and get loads done and spend an average king of the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and the same thing and not do as well and that's just a concentration things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► and yes like how how concentrated is your intent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► Intensity is another word for yeah yeah that's that's that's that's a good way to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► and so this is where I'm very aware of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► My particularly good writing times putting the script together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► but I would say on a on a really great day I have probably about four hours tops of very high quality writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► Now that just means writing I do spend other time doing research and other administrative stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► But after four straight hours on a single scripts there's just nothing that that's going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► It's like it's like used up for the day. And I try and I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► When I talk about messing around with with productivity systems I have various ways that I'm trying to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► to get more quality writing time out of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► and I have not successfully done that at this point not how I just this is so you know I've got to respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► and I'm going to respect you and you know your scripts are very well written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► but this sure I knew for two years ashore and it is hard for me with my background in newspapers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► and television to comprehend that you spend so much time writing them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► When I come from a world where you know I would go out and spend my day meeting people and interviewing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► and making phone calls and finding stuff out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► and the writing is almost just a blast to do at the end for like you know twenty twenty minutes before deadline to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► the thing done and I know a newspaper story that I would draw is not a well crafted is one of the scripts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► Yeah but but here but let's let's be fair here right. Let's say you spend twenty to twenty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► Well as that let's make the numbers you say you spend one hour on a newspaper article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► and then say I spent a hundred hours on a script my script is not one hundred times better than your newspaper article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► I wrote some pretty bad ones in my day hopefully not going to be it doesn't scale linearly with hours input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► and that's also a place where I think I have to be aware of of actually constraining possibly the writing time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► and saying look that's part of why I was looking at scrum. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► But I actually I actually had it on my on my list here because I know you're a newspaper man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► What is your advice about writing fast or how did you write so quickly. Well I guess you had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4431">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Like there was no choice you had to write quickly because you had to send to the people at this time so that it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► be printed on to the paper and delivered to people to read it over breakfast in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► There was no you know you talk about changing your mind and deciding Actually I'm not going to do that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► or you know external factors that just wasn't and that just was not an option you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► Right you would be fired if you if you took that attitude in these papers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► and I think that just teaches you like you know it just teaches you to rot with the field with the you're in the mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► or feel the inspiration or you can be happy with what you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► and that's why you know so many newspaper reporters become. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► Authors because they have that discipline to write and finish writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and do the job whereas other people here aren't don't have that background quite fancy becoming an author who quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► often just spend forever you know going back over a chapter one in improving or deciding this is no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► and I want to start again. You know newspaper journalists don't think like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► I will I will I just interject for a second because I want to make sure at this point I will just say that I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► agree with you about the waiting until you feel like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► I come I come across as well from people sometimes who want to who want to be inspired when they write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► and I know that I'm I'm not writing like a newspaper person but that is my experience as well is to train your brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► OK look you're just writing in the morning and it doesn't matter if you don't feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and that that is definitely that definitely works I think a younger version of myself who was way more foolish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► and tried to write I mean it's like ten years ago I tried to write things I was waiting around to feel inspired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► and that is just a loser's game where you know you're never going to get anything done that way right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► Morning Times are writing times and that. Just this is the end of a brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► I'm sorry you're going to have to you're going to have to do this now so I I definitely agree with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know maybe you should go work for a newspaper for a few years I would never do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► Nah never worked for a newspaper I think you'd enjoy it I think I think I would not working for a newspaper I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► a is a brilliant experience. You learn so much about so much. Like everyone wants to be on T.V. and Work in T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► and People would say How can I do it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and I always would say to them the best thing you can do is come work for a newspaper and people in T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► Who employee journalists want to take them from newspapers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Louis learned so much and it's a real it's a real baptism of fire that you know they're also a bit rubbish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► Well that's a separate issue for you the main thing about writing quickly which is the deadline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► Existed and you would be fired if you didn't hand in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► Yeah and when he learned to maybe it maybe you'll learn to let go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and maybe that's because you don't have to put videos on You Tube you find out how to let go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► Yeah I mean there is as we discussed before there is an implicit deadline of of a of a monthly cycle not hitting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► monthly cycle is is not the best but even though you say not the best you know. Yeah that's true I would have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► I'm not getting fired from You Tube for not turning in my numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► Do you know when you do they do keep track of these kind of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► and I've gotten comments sometimes from from the inside of You Tube about we see you didn't upload anything this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► October so freaking kept track of which was a little funny sometimes like oh maybe that is where you know you may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► you know you've something's wrong. Yes I send someone around to knock on the door make sure you're OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► Yes maybe maybe or maybe they just write of advertising revenue. I think that's probably their primary concern. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► OK I was the only other thing which just about my routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► and one of the reasons why this might be a little slower is that many of the times in US I don't really think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► this until now but we were talking earlier about how I used to give talks and when I when I was a trainee teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► and I was trying to prepare for lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► and I got caught doing this a couple times was a little embarrassing I would give a lesson to an empty room in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► school before giving a lesson to an actual classroom full of kids so I would I would get up in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► and just teach as though this was the way I was going to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► Sort of time it for handing out stuff and then OK what am I going to talk about here and how I was all restless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► and presentations when I was doing it for my time management business. Same kind of thing I did the presentation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► Sort of over and over again and I guess when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► when I'm doing the writing for the script because I know it's going to be a You Tube video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► Ideally I want to be in a place where I can talk the script out loud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► And so I set up my my laptop somewhere where I can stand up like I'm going to be when I'm recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► and I do the whole thing out loud I'm talking it out as I go through the whole script. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► And so I'm trying to think of it as how is this going to be set in an actual video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► I maybe want that's one the reasons why. I'm just I'm very slow with writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► Maybe it's a different kind of process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► but it doesn't change the fact that I definitely definitely do want to make more videos more quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► but the writing is is by far and away the bottleneck for me and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4794">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► I am always thinking about ways to try and try and squeeze more out without having the quality go down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► But yeah so far not greatly successful that I am as always astonished by how different you know it is like we are from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► different planets sometimes that is it is like I would NEVER rehearse a talk or presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► or something just kind of what about the talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► So you do do you did you did you rehearse that will not see that I don't understand at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► You can't you can't get up and just but I mean obviously you did and you did a great but I couldn't get up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► and give a talk spontaneously in front of a large group of people I would have to rehearse that a lot like obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► like in that case Lee and I had a slot so I knew the order of things and I knew I knew the points I wanted to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► and I was just not the slightest sofas like my pollute point you know it's a picture of that that means I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► Think about it I do most of my thinking in the shower so I have quite a long shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► and which you know gets me trouble but so I do think about it and I think you know how to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► and I want to say that and this is why I want to take it but I would never like rest of us. You know pretend to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► It's amazing it's interesting isn't it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean you give a good presentation so I cannot I cannot argue with your method but no I mean thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► and I'm not you know maybe if I would be better if I was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► but this is this is the same problem I would if you were Hearst for ten hours with a B ten times better Probably not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► So this is a question of of marginal utility of of how much additional time do you want to sink into something before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► it doesn't make any sense to do so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► And so that's one of the reasons again just going back that's that's that's one of my thoughts about consciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► reducing the amount of time that I spend on writing the scripts to see if that if that has an effect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► But yeah anyway I should say like we we didn't plan to talk about it so obviously no we did not and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► and I know some of these topics are like super super close to your heart. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► They are so I think we need to say for the record this is this is not the last word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► and you know there are there's more to be said on this and I know you would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► Being someone who likes to prepare I'm sure one day you'd like to prepare and have a few more points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► Yes I don't so that I know we kind of stumbled over it and you're going to probably agonize now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and think I oughtn't I should've said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► and I'm going to agonize like you wouldn't believe all of this if I can for those of you because it is mine it is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► review. So we did stumble upon this and OK here we go. So I have been. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► Again I understand why it sounds like from your perspective it sounds like I'm. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► I'm always changing stuff up and I'm always I'm always tinkering around the edges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► But part of it is I've I've been having this feeling over the last few years you know really since I've been self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► employed that the the very robust system that I made for myself as a teacher that works like you know just a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► machine and was beautiful has not served me as well in my self employed time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► and been trying to figure out trying to figure this out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► And I have been working on this in quotes a review of the book Getting Things Done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► It's called getting things done ten years later because I've been using the system for a decade now. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5033">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► My book review in quotes is now twenty two hundred words of basically my experience with the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► and how I have found over time it has been less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► and less effective for me in this new role where where I'm doing script writing and so on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► I am this is that this is like a big thing in my life that I'm trying to work out by writing down because writing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► kind of thinking and getting it out and saying OK where where is where are the issues here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► How can I get up how can I get a new system set up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► But it really is from my perspective it is a very slow very deliberate process I'm not always making changes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► time and switching the system up so anyway someday that review will be published hopefully soon on my website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► and that was at the very least will be a much more clear thought through record of my experiences with this topic so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5093">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► get there but I'm sure this will come up on multiple occasions. Well I know there's been some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► Listeners to the pod cast who have who don't really like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► when we don't have a separate topic that we discuss an incident in injuring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► Second I apologize to those people for this podcast because they clearly are not going to like this one we know we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► have we would like Normally we have let you know we do a follow up and then we have like what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► and ease into a topic that we never we didn't get to the topic side of things which is actually probably a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► because we hadn't decided on the topic yet as a very kind of you this is again we hadn't decided on the topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► It was really really my responsibility to come up with something to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and I failed on that very very spectacularly so I was up there I was going to be another topic was going to be not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► having topics. Will have to save the topic of not having a topic for a future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I mean I was looking over my my my desperate list and trying to trying to come up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► but yeah not having topic is a topic for the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► There is something there something we do have to mention though before we wrap up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► Yeah which was the ending from the previous podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► Yes which I have to give full credit was your genius idea to just cut it off there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► and that went seem to go down very well people enjoyed the very abrupt ending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► Well actually it's interesting you say that because of something very important I'd like to say about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► Yes that's we should cut off I can't do it again but I did it once. I'm not going to do this a second time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► Hey are you going to end this one then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► Because because on the first one when I say Oh I had something I wanted to say about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► I really did have something that I wanted to say about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► If anybody you know people now like that it has to be like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► and not tell them tell them you can find that now you're now you have to tell you what I've been a big gala what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► going to say what was the thing you wanted to say ending the point. That's good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► Well I hope it's well written this is to have although I don't I don't how thinking through what are you going to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► actually do want to know it if you are listening to TELL ME anyway even if you tell me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► OK the thing the thing that I was going to say is that I too am aware of the of the abruptness of the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► and all I was all I was going to say was was to to say I would really like a little ending jingle sound the same way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► have opening jingle sounds but I have I have never found anything that I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and so I was just going to say that if in the comment section if we have any audio engineers among the listeners that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► if they want to try to come up with a little ending sound I wouldn't be opposed to that I would definitely be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► interested to hear what people but people have been reaching go yeah I guess not you're not a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► but just some sort of little sound because I have to quick write like the podcast is over now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► and just some sort of audio marker that is over in the same way there's an audio marker. When the advertising starts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUhg6GU/5305">TS</a>]