00:00:00 ◼ ► That the group of individuals you prefer outperform the group of individuals you do not prefer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► Shall we commence episode number nine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/6">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► Yes Number nine and let's do this this is this is the last time we were ever to podcast in single digits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/9">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► Yes that is right. Do you remember when you turn ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/16">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► I don't remember very well but I remember thinking it was a big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► I don't think I have any genuine memories from before high school so no I don't remember turning ten years old I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/23">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► remember seeing pictures of when I turned ten but I don't have any memories in my own head of such an event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/31">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► Do you have memories from before you were ten years old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/39">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► Like just in lots of things that happened I don't I don't think so no. I mean not real ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/41">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► You know you know how did your parents tell you about stuff that happened when you were a little kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► but I'm not sure any of those memories that I think I have are actually real memories I have of you do you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/52">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► going to other people who tell me you have memories from being in the the cradle you know little tiny baby Brady I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/61">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► to say I have three or four memories and they're mostly pretty big incidents like one when I broke my arm and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/68">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► when not going on a plane and there's a few things I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/74">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► but the one thing that's really remember one thing that's really strange I should say is I have two dreams from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► when I was really young I still remember really vividly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/86">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► But I'm not going to talk about them because I just suddenly occurred to me how boring it is to talk about their dreams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► I think it is very boring hearing people talk about their dreams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/96">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► It's even boring talking about your own dreams when if you tell someone else about your dreams always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► But halfway through the story you realize your becoming bored by the story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► Yeah and it's like Gosh how boring must this be for the other person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► This is this is one of these things where perhaps I shouldn't be so quick to judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/114">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► but I judge people very harshly if they're the kind. People who want to tell you about their dreams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/117">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► I have no patience for this. Absolutely zero. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► And I feel like it is a poor indicator of a person's ability to project themselves into the mind of another human being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/126">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► if they think it's interesting to tell you about their dreams but dreams are not interesting to anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/134">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► My own dreams aren't even interesting to me they just you know it's like oh I'll do I'll do I lose points for starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/141">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► to talk about it and then gain points for realizing at the last minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/148">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► and aborting you know if you were really close to losing some points. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/151">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► But but you know you were nosediving there but you pulled up at the last possible second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/155">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► but now that I've I've known people who I mean it's like it's like hours later you're at work it's lunch time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► this person's dream occurred hours and hours ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► and I had a really interesting dream last night let me tell you about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► I was out shopping and I was with my brother but he wasn't really my brother you know he was also Robin Williams. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/175">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► Stop it like it's not it's not real. Like this means nothing to anybody. It doesn't even mean anything to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/183">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► Ah God so hard if you wake up if you have like a dream that has made an impression on you temporarily. D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/189">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► My wife actually thinks is very funny and it actually just happened this morning where right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/198">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► when I wake up sometimes I will make a comment about the kind of feeling like Oh God I had just really busy dreams last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/205">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► night and that is as far as I will go and she will ask me oh you know what did you dream about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► and I was like I can't I can't even tell you it's just who cares right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► Just all that matters is I woke up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► and I have still have this kind of not like a great night's rest last night feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/224">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► but that's that's the end of it you know the details of the dreams I just totally irrelevant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/229">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► Well and let's not talk about the follow up farce new countries I hear. Yes yes we have a bunch of new countries. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/235">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► but just yesterday I tallied up all of the new countries so the countries from which we've had reviews. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► OK So this is so what episode nine so since episode seven we have gotten at least one review in all of the following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/249">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► countries. So here's a list it is Bulgaria. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Egypt stoning Indonesia Kuwait Macedonia Micronesia Moldova Mongolia in the pol Paraguay Peru and the Philippines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/263">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► So which ones in that list have you actually been to I have been to Stony. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/272">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► And that is the only one on the list that I have been to when I do you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/281">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► Yes quite an exclusive list is nothing to Egypt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► and I've obviously been in the polls one of my favorite countries in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► Welcome to people from all of those countries especially in the poll. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/295">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► My quite possibly my favorite country in the world and home to half of Mt Everest. My favorite mountain in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/299">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► Why is it your favorite country in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► Because it's got like so many huge mountains and like it so I sense a bit cliche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► when you say that people are really nice but the people are really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► and it's just like oh come on it's just it's cool looking. It's cool stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► I've had I've had really good times there so I want to go there again I want to I've been to Everest base camp twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► and I want to go three times so I'm going to do it again. Well I love it. Would you come with me to Everest base camp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/330">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► They would not you wouldn't know it when I want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► What didn't the last time or the airplane you took there last time like exploded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► Months after their planet the first time from Katmandu to look where you start the trek to Everest that same plane a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/346">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► while later crash on that same flight and killed everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Well unfortunately like I was watching on the news and that they had footage of the wreckage it was so terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► and the serial number on the plane and I was like hang on and I got out my whole life I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► and there's me standing next to the same plane waving you know the bus can be funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/371">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► Yes like a ringing endorsement for me to go to the one of that terrifying little plane to member you showed me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► question well you know you don't get you don't get to you don't get to say and do the cool things in life you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► Yeah but I've I've read Into Thin Air. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► But the listeners say Jon Krakauer book it is it's about an expedition to Mount Everest that went terribly terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/395">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► If they were like Everest I'm not I'm not saying we should go about Everest I'm just saying we'll go to base camp. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Yeah but you're just inches closer to danger in that kind of situation right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/410">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► Being at base camp you are already so far away from civilization. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► It's just into thin air I thought was an interesting book partly because I think it's an interesting chronicle of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► things go wrong in that there are not necessarily any major things that need to happen before you have a real problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/429">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► on your hands it's just the accumulation of a lot of little errors each of which on their own wouldn't necessarily be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/436">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► And so I feel like even being at a place like base camp is just the safety margin between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/443">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► and death who waits around every corner to catch you is just so much smaller than being in a more urban area perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/452">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► with a well off on someone else to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/462">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► I'm sure you will I'm sure there are many people who would love to go but that that is that is not me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/470">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► When I was on the follow up list what I saw in our. Or ever excellence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/475">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► Read a discussion thread somebody made a little info graphic which showed your productive output vs my productive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/481">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► and then it showed that since my previous video the video on jury nullification that since I had published that you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/489">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► published I believe three hundred forty seven videos and also started nine new channels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/496">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► You got that right from the info graphic I think is what you had done so you are quite a beast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► when it comes to you to productivity. You do exaggerate as mock me as always and I am not by much though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/508">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► But I did notice that someone made that that little that little graphic with a little fun I was having a video I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/516">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► uploaded since your previous one and and obviously it was amusing to see so many videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/523">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► but you know the worst thing was they left out a whole bunch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► I think I missed to how John there's a whole bunch of it is not on that list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/533">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► So do you know what the actual number was at the time was I wouldn't something maybe I don't I don't know what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/539">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► but whatever it was it has come to an end because Hallelujah. A new video. Yes yes very exciting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/545">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► That's what was on your site I have watched it and know exactly what it is of course. Yeah I put out the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/556">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► It is our Hong Kong and Macao countries and I think at the time we're recording this on Sunday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/566">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► and I put it up on Wednesday I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► But yes there were many funny comments left both on Reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► and on You Tube which I did scan over four people remarking about how they look right there's a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/581">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► and you know gather the children around it's a rare occurrence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/588">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► So people are very funny on the Internet I think there's a there's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► but yes the the long the long time of the video is over much too much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/596">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Great relief that had just been that had been too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► and I I was getting very anxious about it so I'm happy to have it done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► Do you want to stay with me here because I remember a few podcasts ago you told us about your whole procedure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/606">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► putting up a new video going after it so you have this kind of video game time. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/613">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Computer sorry computer game whatever you whatever the young people call them they can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► and for various reasons mostly my folks the recording of this podcast has been delayed a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/624">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► and I did have a window to record it in the evening after you put that video out and I messaged you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/632">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► and said Do you want to do it Wednesday night or whatever it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► and you were like I can't I have another commitment so I thought you must be going out to dinner or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/641">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► or have some business meeting and then I saw her on Twitter making some comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► or showing some picture that you're basically playing your computer game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► So you're basically fobbed me off and didn't work or record the podcast so you could play computer games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/655">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► OK this is this is a problem following me on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/661">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► I did I did take my my traditional day off the day after to to basically mess around in open T.T.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/664">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► For those who care about such things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► but I did have an actual engagement in the evening so I spent most of the day blowing off all work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► but I did not spend the evening just like I don't feel like recording this podcast I had other stuff to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/682">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► and you were only available in the evening time so did not work out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/688">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► Sorry I don't I don't feel quite so spare and I thought I might try a bit of an experiment on this point cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/692">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► Yeah obviously it's only life to you and I So will lose some of its impact. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/699">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► I thought it might be a fun thing to do anyway so I might put my next video live right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/704">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► Oh yeah we're recording this on a Sunday evening which we shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► and that's an optimal time to put my You Tube video live I would suspect not. I would suspect not as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► But you're going to do it anyway but I'm going to do it anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► Part of that reason is I'm a bit worried about this video anyway so I don't mind if it gets kind of a bit lost in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/722">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► noise. So because and I'm I'm prepared to be judged by you here because I and I've already been judged by others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/728">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► He mocked my occasional overly long videos like this one is twenty six and a half minutes long that is pretty long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/735">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► Which channel or it's a number five number five it's got it was it's got a bit of a story behind it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/742">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► A guy the guy he came around to record it. Simon Pampena he's a mascot he's in a few of my videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/750">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► Basically he said I've got this really cool idea I'm really excited about doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/756">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► I actually want to do is I'll put it live and then I'll tell you the story because they go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/760">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► and put it out of shows up on a number file you know the package open now to write this just it was fast so I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/764">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► live and I said basically he came ran epic circles. I see it. Oh my goodness. That quick that hit refresh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/773">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► It's up epic circles. That's amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► Yeah I have no idea why don't I immediately the thirty three views I wasn't even the first amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/784">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► So anyway he came around to come and he said I've got this really good idea and it's really involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and it took all day to film so falling off from holding the camera and I was like Is this going to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/798">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and he was like Yeah you know it's it's OK trust me and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► and then I was just realizing this film was just getting completely out of control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/809">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► So anyway I've ended up with this video that's truly epic and pensive called Epic circles but it is really interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/813">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► And he's kind of half way through to explain what he was doing he had to explain a whole new concept of a clean version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/819">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► But the one good thing about it was it did result in the most beautiful final product piece of paper that we've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/827">TS</a>]
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00:23:33 ◼ ► OK so you're here is here is the put the link to the story in the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► but the summary of it is going from like not at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Named sources would do with others who are not super thrilled at the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1422">TS</a>]
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00:26:38 ◼ ► like approving the comments is just just a huge burden of labour that you're adding on to yourself that that's that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► would just shut down the comments instead of promising to moderate the whole discussion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► So someone's commented on your comment saying awesome C.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► Pay so why is that people are saying you or someone one of my videos just doesn't seem right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► Only thing you can say that that's fine you know we'll go back later and see if it's still there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► I'm sure it will be I'm sure you will have taken it down nine or so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► and say yeah I will be I will be curious to see that obviously I'm very grateful to You Tube for allowing me to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► this into a professional living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► But I always think more competition is better than less competition in all areas like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► and I think it's pretty fair to say that You Tube has just no comparable competition out there on the Internet there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► been MIA But you know it's such a different creature it's not like it's not like You Tube at all you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► different. Yeah it's complete it's completely different no advertising on Vimeo for once like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► This whole business model of ours couldn't exist on them you know which makes it a very different kind of creature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1673">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► And in some ways better in some ways worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► But yeah so I would I would welcome more competition in the Internet space though is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► So I've had a few things going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► Oh yeah I was I had a few sort of negative many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and a few positive things because you know I'm always mindful of being too much of a staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► but this is going to be like we discussed last time where there's going to be Brady's airplane crash corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► and then a moaning section is Brady's Papercuts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► I think we've got it all in Crash going already have a half an hour on the Bradys Papercuts the part where you moan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► about something small. This is because I know you're a fan of kind of Lord Of The Rings poverty type stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► I watched The Desolation of Smaug smell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► Have you sent your latest film last not because I was pretty unimpressed with the first Hobbit film that I had heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► this one was better and that was kind of you know pulling it from the fire a bit. I beg to differ. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Oh yeah I was pretty unimpressed by the film. I nearly turned off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► Was I just did I just catch at the wrong time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► or is this one also dull as dishwater dishwater repetitive is something wrong with me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► Well good so I didn't see it and I was sure you would say that you love that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► Well I was super into the original Lord Of The Rings movies coming out and I still really like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► but they were great I love them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► Although I even at the time I thought like me and they were just a couple years too early with the C.G.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Technology they made them when the C.G.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► but I even remember thinking at the time like this is not going to look so great in ten years time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► and I think the C.G.I. and These Hobbit films is with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► That's impressive then I guess I haven't seen the Hobbit ones I just I feel like I had no interest as soon as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► discovered that it was I can't even. Two or three movies. Three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► Yeah I felt that that was the single piece of information that was that just ruled it out in my brain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► The hobbit could be a good two hour movie. It is not a trilogy. Yeah well I think maybe that is the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► Anyway I was going to have bit of a rant I was hoping that you'd say oh not so great and be really nerdy about Santa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► but there's nothing to be had there so basically that the sum total of my comment that is a sort of movie Last Not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► I didn't I tell you that my dream I had out of paper got corner so it was a very good down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► You've got you know you've got to thrive if you have these things out there in the hope that something catches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Let me give you some Let me give you my happy color. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► Today there was some excellent news for Liverpool my preferred football team defeated Manchester City. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Oh yeah three goes to church in a very important game. This was good good good. Anything you want to ask me about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► when I told you earlier also that I was watching football today you said all that's good did your team get the snitch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► Yeah this is like my field porn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► You know as I want to ask a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► but I've already forgot Liverpool versus someone else so it slides out of my brain just only your little watch do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► ever watch a sport do you watch the Super Bowl. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► Now I do not watch the snow melt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► and he's forgetting something about American football American football I think has to be the most boring televised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► sport in existence. Have have you have you watched an American. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► Yes I know as much to say that I don't usually watch other games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► but I occasionally Well most if I get I think a player I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► when I was a kid I had a childhood friend who watched football all the time and so we just sort of on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► and I remember thinking they must spend eighty percent of their time just it seems to me standing around like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► think they're not doing anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► The amount of time they spend actually running on the field seems implausibly short compared to how long it's on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► and I know if I can if I can find it here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► but a couple weeks ago I found some info graphic where someone actually broke down the amount of time that the Super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► Bowl takes including advertising and the pauses and whatever was I think something like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► but I think the Super Bowl is broadcast for seven hours in that amount of time there's three minutes of running on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► field and smashing into each other. It's just unbelievable that anyone can sit through can sit through that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► I don't I don't understand this. So I do not watch the Super Bowl and they're right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► I don't I just don't watch sports I mean I know I sort of tease you about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► I don't mean to bemoan people who follow sports like everybody's into their own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► and I'm into stuff that is just would be shockingly boring for other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► Like this is what makes the world interesting places. Different people have different interests. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► But I just I can't say I have a lot of interest in any sports I'm trying to think when I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► when I was a very little kid my father is not also a into sports kind of guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► when I was a little kid my father took me to Yankee Stadium in New York and we had we go watch a baseball game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2030">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Starting all the time and so so we went and we did the thing you go you get like hotdogging sit in the stadium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► and you watch it and we left after a couple of innings because we were both just very bored. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► But my father felt that it was his responsibility as a dad in New York to take me to at least one baseball game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► But we both were just bored to death. So why are we even friends Greg. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► Well that's I think partly I feel like we're friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► and OK to have very different friends because you don't you don't want me to watch sports with you I think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► be a problem if it sounds like that was huge for anyone to Mount Everest with now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► but you know I'm always happy to talk to you. We're also that we're also work colleagues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► That's the thing this is like is like Internet water cooler. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► We were doing with the podcast talking about business but I had one other great triumph today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► I mirror on the wall the great big heavy mirror I am unspeakably that a D.I.Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► Around the house and this was the third big mirror that I had to hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► and the first I had ended up not straight with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► and these were light days with high stakes mirrors where like you have to put the screw holes into walls before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► hang the mirror so there's no like fine tuning afterwards you know leaning side by as on the wire this was like you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► it wrong or you die and I died twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► But today this was this I was at the end of my tether and I was like OK I'll try one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and then if it doesn't work I'm never doing it again and I hung up and it's straight and it's a thing of beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► and dismay and good luck I hope in the mirror. Just look today. Triumphantly and then sat down to watch the football. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► Watch my tame wind it was a real I had a moment to moment and then I sent you the picture of like the mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► and the T.V. In the same shop to look at my life is and you say that all went after this value. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► No that is not at all what happened that's what happened. I'm going to pull this up here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► What actually happened here how I actually did sort of said I think I'm just so distracted by the picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► You did say watching sport in a house containing objects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► Bliss smiley face then and then here is a picture that is a very big mirror that you had to hang up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► But there are there are a lot of things in this picture one of which I have to ask this is a picture of Brady's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► by the way next to the T.V. That has the sports game on it you have a phone that is an old style rotary phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2211">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► Yeah and I am I am suspicious as to whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► or not this is a functioning phone because it's an odd place in the house to have a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► Well let me let me put your mind a it is a functioning phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► Unfortunately because we don't use a landline and we generally want to land on in the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► but just occasionally you need to let people require them back like we were able to get a mortgage without having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► land ought to have limits. If I complain about this for a minute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I know that I know this exact thing is because we have just moved in and out and I run into the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► and I got I get into an argument with BT British Telecom because I was I was trying to get something sorted out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► our with our Internet connection and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► and they were like oh well we're going to we're going to call you on on your landline phone to continue this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► conversation. So I don't have a landline phone I don't have a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Only in my house and things that are you know with the BT purse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and I felt like what is this one nine hundred fifty that you have my cell phone number in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► Like that's why your cult like you accepted this phone call you know it's me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► It just infuriating that that we have to talk on the phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► I don't have a landline phone I don't want to land line phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► and I don't want to machine in my house that just randomly rings that was that was supposed to be a positive corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► they were denied you know tended to like another man moan about the companies that exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► Oh yeah yeah that's just that just your fundamental personality Bradys are just a winder why I think you like living on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► something you kind of drag that one down the winching on August I just wanted you to say good stuff on the mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► or you could say what I want to ask you you good handy man around the house testimony I have I have just moved house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► I'm sorry that I did not compliment you on your marriage it's very well hung your mirror so you happy now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2332">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► Yes I don't often find the occasion for D.I.Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► Stuff so because I guess you don't hang pictures and things do you just have this on the stack what walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► and you had some pictures in our in our old place and there's a couple that come up now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► but I mean I can I can put a tiny nail in the wall. You do pixel know your house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► We had if we had a few pictures on the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► Printed on photographic paper like yeah yeah there are a couple pictures that we have we got. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► Like Richard my wife took and we printed out and put it on the walls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► Not not a whole lot but just just some you know I don't I don't require walls to be totally barren. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► I think pics pictures are fine but because I'm renting most of the D.I.Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► Stuff the landlord wouldn't even want you to do it on your own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► Even back at the jail and really make a mess of things like I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► Yeah so so I would say that in my adult life I have not had a great deal of experience in being able to flex my D.I.Y. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► Muscles because I live in places. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► I do not own someone else owns them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► and they want you to call if there's something that needs fixing because the last thing they want is a tenant who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► to get electrocuted himself to death in their apartment because he was trying to fix something with the wiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► or something else so yeah I think I think that I feel like you seem to see every activity that you can perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► physically as like you just attach a death risk to it like like we come to my Everest. No I could die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► Well you drill a hole in the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► I know I could die if I also thought maybe I was the morbid one here but I think I'm not so sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Well first of all I would not say that I could die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► If you listen to your previous discussion I talk about the increasing probability of death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► and I would help her to keep that small even in activity like sitting in a chair all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► and never exercising that increases probability of of death in an insidious non visible way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► So you counter that by exercise or by walking around so it is not that I think of all physical activities as as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Death inducing. No no they think of non-physical activities. Jeff That's right. I think everything is different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Well everything comes with some probability of death increase or death decrease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► and you have to you have to weigh those concerns you know going to the gym. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► You can die of a heart attack on the treadmill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► but part of it is likely speaking if you're on the if you're in the gym you're exercising that is you're moving death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► further away than you are bringing him closer if you are in the gym even though you can be the unlucky heart attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► lottery winner on the treadmill at the gym. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► So ironic that you chose the treadmill as the for the analogy of making it appear that way. Yes that's a good point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2505">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► It's change the topic to the topic of the day we're going to have on a sound effect here or do we just do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► I guess we can we can just do it I'm still not sure about these topics and running I think you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► but I guess because we don't really have a topic we just have a topic that if we ran out of stuff to say talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► And last time we'd never even did the topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► Yeah that's true but I think this time we need to like you know we need we need we need to move on from our lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► and when something on a grander scale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► and so I there was there was something that I did sort of want to talk about which which I guess could be the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► and I have some notes here it might be a little a little scatterbrained. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► So as always I will I will rely on you to ask some questions to help you through this but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► Because in our previous podcasts we kind of touched on the the world of education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2571">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► and listeners will know that I was a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► and I thought I kept putting off some thoughts about education for for a future episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► and so I think this is this is maybe the time to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► and I want to phrase this this topic as what does schools really do or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► or what is the purpose that schools serve in society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► and that that is very distinct from the question of what do we want schools to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► or what schools should do so that I feel like I don't want to talk about ideal schools I want to just I want to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► up what I think is perhaps a very grim view of what schools actually do in society. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► So so rather not what are schools for it to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► More like what are schools achieving or what are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► or not achieving achieving that might be an interesting interesting way to put just those contribute to contribute is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► OK so I already have to turn here that this this is going to be something along the lines of you thinking that schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► are not doing a brilliant thing for society. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► Well I what I would say is that I think that that schools are not necessarily doing what people say they do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Where when you have a conversation about schools or people talk about education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► and education is is one of these topics that I think is it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► It's interesting because everybody kind of has this experience right you are a kid and you grew up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► and you go to school and everybody's experience this sort of in the Western world that school is a huge part of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► and and so everyone kind of has a vested interest in this game right you're a parent and you send your kid to school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► and then you have memories of what it was like when you were at school and I think this is also why education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► and funding education and teachers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and teachers unions like there are always very hot political topics because it's the kind of thing that everybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► get involved in because everybody has an experience of having gone to school and what what they thought about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► and they also seem to me like people who are going to schools in the education system etc And that political kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► but they're also a bit of a sacred cow skulls on their life like there's uniform agreement that schools are a good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► Yes yes that's what I mean it's a hot topic because it can be argued about from from both sides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► Schools can be revered. People can can hate their local school system or whatever it is but it's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► It's impossible I think to to not have contention over schools because everybody experiences it in a very direct way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► where there are tons of topics in politics that people just have no interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► or caring because they didn't spend you know twelve years of their life involved in this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► and I know this isn't we're talking about it just reminds me can go line is down to you like for example I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► children but I have a tremendous interest in schools in my area because of how it affects the price of my house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► The ever popular getting into a good school district method of human relocation after child child time yeah it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► that that has huge knock on effect for property market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► If my local school suddenly takes a dive so does my house prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► and then suddenly I care tremendously about what's going on at my local school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► Right right that you're not even you don't even have a kid in that school but it's not as effective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► Yeah that's why every everybody gets kind of tangled up tangled up in this in this system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► So tell me what you're thinking. Yes So here's here's the starting point from that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► Schools are a stance of glee about learning I mean I don't know a more fundamental statement than that to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► schools are what we think of as where people go to learn. Yeah right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► It couldn't be couldn't be more basic than that and the rest learn on that kind of academic level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► or just sort of a socialization type level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► Yeah learn in the in the broadest sense of the word yet right that's a school where people could learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► and this is I sort of alluded to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► I sort of alluded to this in the previous podcast from my own time as a teacher but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2872">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Something that if you are paying attention if you're sort of deluding yourself as a teacher you can very quickly pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► up on the fact that at least from the academic side students are not learning a whole lot in school in terms of actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► material that you are theoretically teaching so I would do say a year of physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► and then I would say even after a single summer vacation if kids come back in the next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► and you start asking them a bunch of physics questions almost all of that information is just completely gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► I think of summers as almost a time is like children are able to just shake their brain free of all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► have been trying to stuffed in them over over the course of an academic year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► and they come back to school right all fresh an empty right you know sometimes the way can kind of feel it as a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2932">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► Shouldn't you have learned and again I have this is for for all subjects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► and I don't say it's not because it sounds a bit familiar to your language bashing from a couple of months ago that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► looks like the same thing about all subjects now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► Yeah I am putting I'm putting this is not language in particular employment for all subjects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► and I mean I've even seen some some interesting kind like follow up studies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► Asking post high school graduates a year later in the most basic questions from some of the subjects that they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► and you know the answers are just dismal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► You know it's just no better than than a random member of the population know how how much they actually remember from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► a course that they've been through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► So I think that's that's kind of an interesting thing to note right that schools are supposedly teaching kids all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► long all kinds of stuff about the world and about literature and about art and about science but they do this in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/2991">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► From a Sheehan is just so rapidly lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► or there's even a question about how much of it did kids ever learn in the first place which again if you are if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► are a teacher you can definitely see that first hand that it might even be optimistic to talk about this knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► having been lost from some students because there's a presumption that it was ever there in the first place so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► that that's that's a this is kind of like a starting point is there is less learning than I think people kind of talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► about when they talk about schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► but a blind man talk if I if I I don't remember I can't remember if you asked me to tell you I learned SCO I can't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► all these equations I learnt mathematics and I can't remember these language things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► and I can't remember things about Shakespeare. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► But if I didn't go disco for all that time I don't think I'd be the same guy talking to you than I am now I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► think you are throwing away a lot of intangible stuff I think you're throwing away a bit is the kind of missed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► component of SCO where the actual just the process of learning is teaches you a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► and makes you the person you become. So even though I can't remember exactly. I especially I'm still like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► I still learned how to learn and I learned how to how to become a fully functioning human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► and I think just applying the simple test of do you remember Newton's equations that I that you were taught last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► is I think that's just over simplifying learning in education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Right now I will grant that there are there are other things that are going on in school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► and I would actually do there are things that kids genuinely learn but I think a statement like. Had I not gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3113">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Through school I would be a different person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Is is a truism but had you spent twelve years of your life doing anything else that statement would also be true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► Why do you do I get such a big chunk of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► I wouldn't write if impression of an inferior I think I would be not as high functioning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► OK Yes I think that that's a that's a better statement to say again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► and I think I think that there is there is something to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► But so the question about learning I think kind of leans in to what I wanted to bring up about this which is if we if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► we start from the position that schools maybe can't be about learning objective facts right which is something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► would agree to it was well it can't be about teaching a whole bunch of kids specific facts that they remember later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► because they because they don't remember it later it's something else something else is kind of going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► and this is this would come up in my own classes I think I mentioned this before but kids would ask me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► when are we ever going to use this you know we're teaching them physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► and I would just I would straight up say you're never going to you're never going to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► There is never a butler in Karate Kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► DANIEL The very sight it was like when I'm either going to paint the fence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► and Mr Miyagi was like Don't worry this will come in handy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► and then it did he had these things ingrained into him that made him like autumn in the final karate tournament skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► It's like what am I going to use Newton's equations we might not use use equations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► but trust me this this will help you win the big fight at the end of everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► What is the big fight in the end of this analogy. I'm not quite sure are a lot of what you got is a Karate Kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► Yeah I could see better now. But let me let me follow through on this right here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► So this it always lead to a little a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Discussion sometimes in classes which is kind of happy to have you never get a lesson so they go Well you know well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► Right here are the teachers tell us stories about how we're going to need this in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► or how it's going to help us win the big fight. You know it's eventually going to be useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► You know maybe not today but you and I would I would not take that position yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► and my position is that look the reason the reason you are here you know you're taking this class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► and your goal is to get good grades because those grades are signaling qualities about you to the outside world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► and that is the core of what schools do from a societal perspective they receive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► That's exactly it they're they're a kind of sieve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► and I think this is this is it's like an unhappy way to look at schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► but I do think that it is a relatively accurate way to look at schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► But but even more so that the simple fact is is very interesting so in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► If this is comes up in economics sometimes and I want to look at his name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► I just want to I just want to get it right some of the stuff is based on the some as a mere talk about today is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► the work of an economist in particular called Bryan Caplan who is talking about what happens to kids in various stages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3331">TS</a>]
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00:56:00 ◼ ► School graduates earn vs non high school graduates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► and turns out the high school graduates earn about fifty percent more each year than not high school graduates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► but it's not like a shocking piece of information I don't think that if you go to high school you can get a better job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3372">TS</a>]
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00:56:42 ◼ ► But you know you miss out on some class in the final year you might as well have not gone to high school at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► If you don't get that piece of paper if you don't get that degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► and Thomason matter that you have done ninety nine percent of the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3411">TS</a>]
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00:57:14 ◼ ► all of this. This this series of hoops that we have put up for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3434">TS</a>]
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00:57:33 ◼ ► and this is again in the broadest possible way social skills interacting with people just learning how to be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► person all of which you know also matters for people's lives and their working experiences. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► You would expect to see more of an effect as people go through high school that three years in that should if school is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3466">TS</a>]
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00:58:00 ◼ ► Assistance in the real world three years of high school should be much better than one year of high school so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► stagnant earnings figures would change that I would be to step jump it would they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► and so from from the the numbers that I saw blog I think it was something like year one of high school increases your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► earnings ten percent year two is like five percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► Year three does nothing and then the remaining chunk of it that gets you up to fifty happens only when you graduate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3505">TS</a>]
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00:58:36 ◼ ► and it's the same thing for colleges that the earnings difference for going to college was eighty percent versus not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► going to college or people who go to college earn eighty percent or more. And I know I agree with you here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► I agree that schools have this have the SIV effect in society and that but I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and you acknowledge this yourself. We're talking about money here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► And when it comes to money and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► and career opportunities education does have this this role this selective role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► and I know it gets really political After that we talk about money and exclusive schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► and there's a lot there's a lot that we could talk about and that's not what we are talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► when it comes to some of the other things that can be measured like your ability to make a phone call to the bank to hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► a mirror to get along in society to raise children to do a lot of the other things that don't involve putting money in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► I think they're probably there would be a correlation between how much education you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and how well you do those things so I think saying that education is not contributing to people unless they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► make the next step or get through that next finishing type is unfair and I do think that education in riches people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3592">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► In other ways not just about money and career achievements. Now there is an interesting question in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3600">TS</a>]
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01:00:15 ◼ ► going to college makes you a better parent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► and you're not done we should acknowledge that we're going to I do not have children you do not have children. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► So let's let's talk about children job correctly and that list done to protect some of the parents out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► Well yeah I've been to college so I'm going to be a better parent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► But first let's take that that that statement that question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► or yeah yeah right that that going to college makes you a better parent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► I don't think going to college make sure that a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► or don't you have more years educated well what you're saying is that school is the thing that makes you educated so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► it's the schooling that makes you a better parent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► That's that's sort of the position that saying they're OK well let's era is what they call it you go with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3654">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► and I think there are other things that can also contribute to have a parent you probably will behave like like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► parents or other things that happen in your life but there are many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► but do you think that more years of schooling would make you a better parent. Oh oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► Things all other things being all other things being equal. Yeah I think probably you learn. Yeah OK I was OK with yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► OK so so that the very interesting thing there is is your comment about all other things being equal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► Neither of us are saying that that this this effect is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► but we're just using this discussion point the question is do you people who go to college have a better chance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► being better parents. Or is it the college that makes them in this example better parents. Can I just be clear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3712">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► College means I'm sorry I'm being you know I just wrote in here just after high school like university level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► OK Well I think I'm not really thinking about say I only went to college for one year myself so then I got a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► and left. But so you mean like sixth form college. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► None and I started doing a degree and then I got offered a job at a newspaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► and I said we don't want you to have a degree I would rather train yourselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► So there are a lot of save me a few years. Oh I said I'd go back and do a part time job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► OK OK Well I think why why why would you ever go back. Because I don't need a piece of paper right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3758">TS</a>]
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01:02:53 ◼ ► the kind of career that you have that that piece of paper speaks to right that that piece of paper improves you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► need that signal to any employer you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► or any any person in that kind of position to prove that you're a certain kind of yelps courtesy because I've done the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► jobs and I now can you leave a lot of things and I'm not disagreeing that. There is this exclusive A T C of function. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► This is an elective ity function to education but to take it to the other extreme. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► when I was five years old my parents said we're not going to send you to school Grady we're just going to let you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► cricket in the backyard and swim in the pool. I definitely would not have got that job at the newspaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3811">TS</a>]
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01:03:45 ◼ ► or not to finish my degree because I was already you know a person of you know I had abilities and I had knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► and you know I had social skills that I had developed through my time at school and art. Some other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3833">TS</a>]
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01:04:04 ◼ ► and not being schooled author of a school homeschooled would have made no difference. I probably would take issue with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3844">TS</a>]
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01:04:21 ◼ ► and basically left to their own devices who basically became educated people on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3861">TS</a>]
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01:04:33 ◼ ► but I think there's a there's a question of like what kind of person are you certain kinds of people are inclined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► towards educating themselves so it's not entirely impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► but to go back to what you're saying I would say that my view of what you learn in school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► The earlier school starts the more important it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► So I can see kids in primary school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► and I think maybe per hour those are some of the best times people ever spend in schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3895">TS</a>]
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01:05:05 ◼ ► when it is genuinely like I use that every day I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► and yeah I don't know what teacher taught me to tie my shoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► but that's been great yes the reading one I think is the best bang for the buck ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3911">TS</a>]
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01:05:21 ◼ ► a constrained environment where you're just going to learn this is not going to like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► but we know we know we know better for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► and also I think in primary school I think it is very obvious if you are hanging out with primary school kids they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► They're learning you can't bite someone when you're angry you know they're they're learning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► You can't just pee on the floor you know or like if you're going to throw up you have to go to the bathroom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► They're learning just not to be tiny tiny animals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3952">TS</a>]
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01:06:11 ◼ ► and it's you know we're putting these little kids under all these constraints where their brains have to learn like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3971">TS</a>]
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01:06:28 ◼ ► and that's that's kind of what primary school is and by the time you get to say a secondary school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► or high school kids have gotten used to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► They're there they're familiar with this and they're kind of like the statements of the kind of changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/3997">TS</a>]
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01:07:05 ◼ ► Yeah don't pee on the floor but I think through school that stuff's always going on that socialization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► but I'll bet also probably at the education level that things starts happening you learn how to rather than learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► how to read and write. You learn how to persuade or to make an argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► So even though you don't remember the argument you made about Hamlet you were learning how to make an argument in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► essay that you were writing for your teacher that's what I mean about learning to learn and learning to do things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4048">TS</a>]
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01:07:35 ◼ ► and figures that those things that you picked up at that time I think stick with you make you what you are later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► whether or not there's an alternative to school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► Well you go ahead and put one to me but I think school does serve that purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► Here here is here's again like my counter feeling to this which is what the learning to learn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4069">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Argument I would say that when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► when I have this discussion with people which obviously can get heated discussion this is this is not you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► but in general the people who are you learning to learn are people who generally had positive experiences in school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► They are the people who were academically successful they are the people who applied to and got into universities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► It's an argument that comes from a particular section of the school age population or the educated population. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► I'm not convinced necessarily that schools teach kids how to learn how to learn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► I think that's that's it's a kind of personality trait in certain kinds of kids which can be brought out by schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4131">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► It could be brought out by all kinds of other things as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► but I think that it's it's it's wrong to say that the school is the thing that teaches that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► And part of this is just looking at you know dropout rates from schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► Yeah I know it's a high school dropout rates you know roughly it's ten percent of kids go to high school in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4160">TS</a>]
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01:09:34 ◼ ► and are accepted to college you know forty percent of them don't make it out with a bachelor's degree within six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4174">TS</a>]
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01:09:51 ◼ ► It's about thirty percent of the population twenty five to thirty percent has college degrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► and so I just I feel like. The learning to learn argument I just don't think it is convincing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► I think you mean like a personality trait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► and it has made us sort of fit into you know you some scotched any argument before I could make it by saying that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► but I think maybe the best way for you to persuade me of what you're trying to get across here is give me an alternative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► give me an alternative that will give society all the things it needs that doesn't involve schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► and I'm here this is this is why I want to bound this argument in the beginning I am trying to make a sort of value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► neutral argument that this this is what schools do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► I don't even necessarily think it's bad because in some sense right that like so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► So flip it around with students and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► but if you talk about employers employers need some kind of way to filter out people who who apply for jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4252">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► or anything I want to find a way to discriminate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► That's exactly it and you know like that's that's the harsh reality of life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► If you post a job and you get two hundred job applications you need some way to filter those things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and if you're applying for. If you're. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► If you want a relatively that let's OK let's say you're you you're you have a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and you're looking for a smart person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► Now you get a whole bunch of applications more likely than not the people who went to college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► and graduated college are probably smarter than the people who failed out of high school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► Now that's not to say that everybody who failed out of high school isn't smart. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► But it's like it's like the death thing we were talking about before. It's a statistics game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► You have you have to play the odds here and you're going to pick the college educated person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► I also think very interesting Leigh that the other thing is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Getting stamped on to kids by you have past high school step you have passed college step isn't actually necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► I think it's it's largely a certain kind of conscientiousness that's really the bard to pass with high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► and with college. Can you keep track of all of these assignments that we have given you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► Are you able to show up a certain amount of times or are you are you able to. We're giving you assignments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► Are you able to do enough of those assignments to the specifications that are required. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► I actually think that's kind of the primary thing that schools are really testing kids for certified like a fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► year stickability test. Yes this is exactly right and that's this is one of the reasons why why in school so long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► Because your work life is long and boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► and we need to make sure that you are a person who has proven they are able to you know do a long and boring routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► and you're able to make your way through it and get it and get certified. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► Now again this is not to say that people don't learn anything that people don't learn things in school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► That's that's not my argument I don't nothing is is learned but I think the primary purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► or the primary function of schools in a society is to act as a kind of filter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► But that kind of approval process for people entering the labor market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► and that's that's why there's such a high premium on graduating whereas attending some college is is almost as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► worthless as doing no college at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► There's a little bit of a benefit but not a huge benefit when you're looking at the at the population as a whole. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4431">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► I mention this because I always really like talking to students when I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► and I think a lot of kids ask me about universities and jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► and I think it's because maybe I gave more direct answers than some other teachers gave sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► and I would say that there was a certain there's a certain kind of kid particularly a certain kind of both conscientious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► and both very smart kids who it felt like they were able to deal with school a lot better if they kind of faced the true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► nature of it that like what you know what this is is a certification process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► You know we are certifying that at some point you were diligent enough to be able to get through some difficult classes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► We're not expecting you to remember this stuff later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► And I just felt like some some kids really reacted very well to that of kind of understanding oh OK this is the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► that's going on here. I think kids don't react well to that how they kids a home that is bad information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► I know what I would say is that the other reactions that I got were either just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► Sort of a laughing kind of incredulity. Oh he's being silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► and I have to say if I was if I was talking to kids one on one it's a slightly different conversation if I'm doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► But if I was talking to a group of kids I'd do it in kind of a I do it in kind of a funnier way so it can be played off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► as like oh maybe I'm not being entirely serious but you can see some kids were like Oh I think he does really mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► So I would say either you get a kind of you know this is this is really funny or just kind of indifference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► but yeah I I thought that there were definitely kid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Those who received this information well and felt like school made more sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► and it was it was more tolerable than this kind of implicit impression that kids have of like we're teaching you all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► these things so that you know these things but you won't you won't know these things in a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► and I was I was always really up front about that with the kids because my funny kids will assume that because you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and all the other subjects which is just always Larry is in the equivalent of home room at the start of the day care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► when I'm just in charge of a bunch of kids in there are frantically trying to do their homework at the last minute of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► course you know they would ask me questions about what I would say I don't know anything at all about that subject I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► don't remember this in the slightest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► And they they be horrified you know your teacher you went to school you're supposed to be one of the students. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► but I don't remember that you know I didn't it doesn't matter what mattered was that I I was able to do it at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4613">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► and I had the certification sat I have passed high school which makes me trustworthy enough to Bosler you guys around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► Yes OK if you are right if you are right about this why school not to try to sway Why is it why has it got this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► spin to it why. Why isn't school betrayed is this particular T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► Test this conscientiousness test I mean I mean I think it is that it was rhetorical you know because this is not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► So I think this is an accurate view of the world but this is not a view of the world that people want to have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► People don't want to think you know let's let's take some some some college graduate people don't want to think oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► spent sixteen years undergoing an enduring test right to prove that I was able to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► You want you want to think oh I went to college and I learned how to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► and I learned all of these these other skills and that was that. Like that's the explicit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► State what you think that makes a sane Mandane follow up doesn't make it pointless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► when they finish a marathon because they they showed this great faith of insurance why not be thrown out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I think the insurance the insurance one there is is is an interesting comparison yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► Not to people value mental insurance less than physical endurance I would say maybe so maybe rightly so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► Physical insurance just seems much more natively impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► but I also think this is the kind of thing where again thinking about my time as a teacher I would say that I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► sometimes relatively unpopular in conversations with other teachers in the staff room because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► As a teacher you want to have this feeling of like oh I am I'm Cheech I'm shaping the next generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► and inspiring a bunch of young minds right and they're all they're learning all these things for me when we met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► when we did the podcast a couple of weeks ago about whether or not learning languages was a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► and you knew you were going to get some flak like you what you even you were braced for a backlash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► Yes Do you think what you're saying here will upset people in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► or do you think people will say he's talking sense of the education system is just it's a sea of perspective a day so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► that institutions and or employers can discriminate later on. That's that's a really good question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► and I almost feel like I how could this topic be controversial in some ways like I can be of both lives about this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► if I could start to feel like look into your heart of hearts with the experience that that I had I had as as a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4789">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► It's as a general policy I find there have been opinions that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► or positions that I have come to in my life that I have not wanted to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► but I feel like I have I have been forced into them through experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► and then through reading up on that kind of experience. I didn't I didn't set out to find this out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► I feel like I was pushed into this by experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► and so that's why I almost feel like it's it's in some ways it's remarkably uncontroversial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► It will upset a lot of changes. Yeah it probably will but I will say again like I was a teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► I was I was one of you. The thing that I was I was going to come back to back to earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► We're talking about the benefits of school is there is there's a term which is called warehousing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► and in this case schools are warehousing students at their warehouse in kids and what's the benefit you get from that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► Again from a societal perspective it's not like almost It doesn't have anything to do with what's happening to the kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► in the box that you put them the anonymous benefit to society is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► State provided daycare for all children and what does that mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Parents like their their labor is freed up or I think they can go to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► and their kids are taken care of for a huge portion of the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and this is like another kind of benefit that that school provides. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► You imagine a world without school where parents had to provide their own daycare for a kid like me would just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► terrible right. Obviously you need to do something with kids all day long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► But once we pass child labor laws and you can't have them working in factories anymore which again is a good thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► You need to have them go somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► and school is the place that they go so this is another kind of effect that you get from schools is is being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► And we often tell ourselves that they're learning a whole bunch of stuff all day long in there because it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► thinking of them as as in like a little box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► or you know in like a little prison which would be even a worse way to put it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► But schools have remarkably similar to prison sometimes. Can I say to my sister who is a schoolteacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► I'm sure she is not enough I'm going to send this on in some ways I want to hear what she has to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► and otherwise I will also I have to I have to defend myself here as well as for a little moment which is that I do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► for many many a parent teacher conferences parents were were very happy to have their kids in my class it's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► thinking I was some kind of awful unpopular grumpy teacher like my own experience was that parents were very happy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► their kids were in my physics class and I know kids who really like being in my physics. So I wasn't a mean teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► This doesn't this doesn't stem from disliking being a teacher. I really enjoyed the classroom time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► I tried to have lessons that were relatively fun of course you have these horrible constraints as a teacher about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► you can and can't do but. Like that that part of being in the classroom and teaching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and I think as best as possible with a subject like physics I think I tried to make it as interesting as possible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► but that I said that still doesn't change the fact that I don't expect any of the kids that I taught six years ago to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► necessarily remember anything that we did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► But I know that the kids did well on exams and then hopefully they went off to university and some of them have reeled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5032">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Out in the in the real world now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► Well I think if you put it out there and I actually like I said I actually really agree with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► when I was talking to Mrs number five and I said Gray wants to talk about what's the purpose of schools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► She said Well I think it's learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:18 ◼ ► and socialization of young people the first thing I did think to myself was you know I think it's also this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5058">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► So I do agree I do agree that schools serve this purpose of separating the wheat from the chaff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► However family you think they do that or not which is a whole lot of subject matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that's I think we can get a lot of economics and class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► and all sorts of unfair things that we got is that the terribly unfair thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► They're just with that with that one final thing about the selectivity thing you know you know how you mentioned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► if the if the school in your neighborhood really takes a dive you know it affects you or your property values. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5094">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► And everybody has this experience of sort of good schools and bad schools and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► Why why I would definitely say that teachers do have an impact on whether a school is a good school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMU1iRt4/5106">TS</a>]
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