00:00:07 ◼ ► It's been a glorious glorious day where I live what's it been like where you live. [TS]
00:00:17 ◼ ► and about for most of the day so I have one season John what do you do when you go out [TS]
00:00:22 ◼ ► and about I can't really imagine. And they can all those people and objects everywhere would just freak you out. [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► and I tend to group together all of the areas that I have to do until I basically have an entire day's worth of of [TS]
00:00:46 ◼ ► errands to run or places that I need to go and so I just let me just get it over all at once [TS]
00:00:54 ◼ ► Moving about all over the place going to the bank going to the post office going to office supply stores going to a [TS]
00:01:02 ◼ ► So that's that's what I was up to today what was the most loans to one not the one you least want to do is had to be [TS]
00:01:09 ◼ ► done. I would say the bank. I always hate going to the bank the most is just that it's sad. [TS]
00:01:17 ◼ ► They make you take a little number you have to sit there I don't know it's just it's not it's not ideal. [TS]
00:01:24 ◼ ► So bank bank is my least favorite post office is a relatively relatively close behind that as as also not necessarily [TS]
00:01:31 ◼ ► super fun so that's why it was there was just it was a day of doing things I've been putting off. [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► But I still think if you if I put them all off so I can do a bunch of them together. [TS]
00:01:44 ◼ ► I hate the post office but you know one that I love that I find surprisingly satisfying. [TS]
00:01:52 ◼ ► I love filling the car up with stuff and like driving might be catch at the tip and throwing something away. [TS]
00:02:00 ◼ ► A therapeutic about throwing huge objects like into these huge skips and like a fool but really madly [TS]
00:02:10 ◼ ► Where does the wood down where does the metal go and then I throw it in and bangs around [TS]
00:02:15 ◼ ► and I do enjoy I do enjoy the tip it's my favorite chore and I always feel really satisfied at the end. [TS]
00:02:22 ◼ ► Oh yeah you would be surprised to know that I can get right behind you on that one. [TS]
00:02:39 ◼ ► So yes I'm I'm with you on that one as far as errands go but I have because I have neither carton [TS]
00:02:45 ◼ ► nor any idea what the closest big garbage dump would be that is something I haven't haven't gotten to do since I've [TS]
00:02:55 ◼ ► I mean probably now maybe last time I got to properly go to a dump ten years ago with my father who was always taking [TS]
00:03:07 ◼ ► Maybe if I come to visit you we can have a little outing to your local tip is what you call it apparently. [TS]
00:03:14 ◼ ► I'll even save a few things that said big things you can throw in stuff that makes really big loud noises. [TS]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Is the best you know some of the really clangs when you throw down a shoot or something. [TS]
00:03:23 ◼ ► It's great that this is a plan. Speaking of errands we are supposed to be doing our follow up. [TS]
00:03:30 ◼ ► Oh yes I guess we are also going to just apologize for some reason my dog has become very restless [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► I intentionally left in a little doggie sound in the very first episode of this pod casts hope listeners go back [TS]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Can hear a slight color shake in the background so she has always been with us since day one she has will if you leave [TS]
00:04:07 ◼ ► but she had a massive shake a minute ago I mean you would definitely be able to hear that one talking so well that it [TS]
00:04:13 ◼ ► was probably not this is probably not the most interlacing podcast talk we've had come on man [TS]
00:04:20 ◼ ► Last time you yet again waded in to the education sector all guns blazing basically saying schools have zero [TS]
00:04:31 ◼ ► educational value. I merely childcare centres I think of and I may be on the hook. [TS]
00:04:40 ◼ ► What I feel like your your some theories of my argument there always are is a bit more harsh than maybe my actual [TS]
00:04:48 ◼ ► arguments are of that but if that is your prerogative I guess is the summer summer operable person here. [TS]
00:04:55 ◼ ► I think it's a very clearly at some point that I am not claiming that nothing is learned in schools. After all they do. [TS]
00:05:06 ◼ ► But yes yes I I would say that the thrust of my argument was that schools are probably doing less of what they [TS]
00:05:14 ◼ ► explicitly say they do which is teaching children about the world and about things. [TS]
00:05:25 ◼ ► So is a little bit unfair because we are recording this pod cast mere hours after having made the episode originally [TS]
00:05:34 ◼ ► available so I put it up this morning and it is it is now evening time here in London for us [TS]
00:05:39 ◼ ► and we're recording so you know we don't exactly have a days worth of feedback to go through [TS]
00:05:45 ◼ ► but looking through the stuff that we've gotten so far on the Reddit I would say that my prediction from last time [TS]
00:05:51 ◼ ► seems to have held which is that my argument was remarkably uncontroversial. Yeah you know then. [TS]
00:06:04 ◼ ► Now of course again it's a little bit unfair there has been a huge amount of time. [TS]
00:06:07 ◼ ► I've just seen stuff from students saying similar things that that that's how they feel about school [TS]
00:06:12 ◼ ► or even saw one comment which sounded like what I said has on my students react that they found it very enlightening to [TS]
00:06:20 ◼ ► think about school this way that it made more sense than thinking about it as learning a whole bunch of stuff for the [TS]
00:06:28 ◼ ► but maybe we just need to wait longer maybe tomorrow there will be lots of angry teachers on the thread after the full [TS]
00:06:36 ◼ ► So are there any is there anything in particular that has come up that you want to address [TS]
00:06:47 ◼ ► The one the one point that I think I made less clearly maybe in the episode than I wish I had a pun on listening to it [TS]
00:07:06 ◼ ► when kids arrive you can make very good predictions about how they will do later on. [TS]
00:07:17 ◼ ► but I think I didn't connect it clearly enough to this point about if the school is educating or changing the kids. [TS]
00:07:29 ◼ ► That shouldn't that shouldn't be as much the case. There should be more variation when the kids arrive. [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► And you shouldn't be able to have a sort of ninety percent prediction rate of how as a kid going to do based on how [TS]
00:07:47 ◼ ► So I think that that's part of part of my feeling about this uncomfortableness of being a teacher [TS]
00:07:53 ◼ ► and seeing that over the years and just coming to face face to face with oh I'm not. [TS]
00:08:04 ◼ ► While while they were in our care in the schools so it's not the teachers I'm worried about I'm imagining how [TS]
00:08:11 ◼ ► dispiriting that must be for parents to hear that if their kids are not particularly bright right from the outset you [TS]
00:08:18 ◼ ► know that the school is not going to turn them around if I was a parent and I would want to hear. Yes yes. None. [TS]
00:08:29 ◼ ► Yes' you don't hear that you don't want to hear it goes so there's another point going to sleep. [TS]
00:08:39 ◼ ► and how to put the parent teacher evenings were always very interesting experiences as a as a teacher I think quite [TS]
00:08:50 ◼ ► unusually I actually really enjoyed parents parent teacher evenings and getting to talk to the parents. [TS]
00:09:02 ◼ ► But yeah parents opinions of their own children are are just are very interesting sometimes. [TS]
00:09:10 ◼ ► And some parents know exactly who her child is and some parents have just No idea who their their child is [TS]
00:09:33 ◼ ► or yahoo who think that maybe with with more effort on the part of the entire educational system that their child will [TS]
00:09:49 ◼ ► and sometimes you would get let's say parents who were very saddened by that fact. [TS]
00:09:55 ◼ ► It was it was always just very interesting talking to the parents about about that. [TS]
00:10:03 ◼ ► But yes it is and it isn't the best it is it is not the most hopeful view of what the school system does. [TS]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and in particular the Economist I mentioned last time I had a table in a paper he wrote which was talking about entry [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► And the numbers were just astounding about you can No you can say that somebody is entering college [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► and say very accurately this person has a five percent chance of actually graduating from college given what you know [TS]
00:10:46 ◼ ► about them at the start. Or you can say this person has a ninety five percent chance of graduating. [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► And again I think I just think that that feeds back into the school is doing something else [TS]
00:11:05 ◼ ► It's not necessarily modifying certain kinds of people to be better off so I think like some of the things that were [TS]
00:11:17 ◼ ► but maybe slightly diminished the importance that we put on the role of teachers. Yeah what do you say of that. [TS]
00:11:27 ◼ ► So I would I would agree with that as a as a as a general statement because the school is a collection of teachers. [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Difficult as in it's just hard feat to find the right words without without it coming out incorrectly [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► I'm like a social perspective like we're talking about last time you want to think certain things about the education [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► There's a certain kind of societal expectation about how you're going to talk about these sorts of jobs [TS]
00:12:18 ◼ ► and you know maybe if schools are our filters rather than places that are necessarily changing the bulk of students it [TS]
00:12:30 ◼ ► does force you to come to some interesting conclusions about like what is actually happening within these walls. [TS]
00:12:44 ◼ ► but I think this is an illustrated example of forcing a rethink about something and it's. [TS]
00:12:52 ◼ ► When I was doing my teacher training I came across a few academic papers I thought were really interesting [TS]
00:12:58 ◼ ► and they were about homework and how does homework effect the academic results on an end of year exam. [TS]
00:13:11 ◼ ► or you know what kind of homework do you give them homework that elicits thought provoking answers [TS]
00:13:17 ◼ ► or just multiple choice homework it was basically what can we do to maximize the end of year results as far as homework [TS]
00:13:28 ◼ ► Yeah I actually DO YOU HAVE ANY if you have any guesses like what do you think would be the optimal homework strategy [TS]
00:13:34 ◼ ► if you were trying to make sure that a kid does really well at the end of year to know what kind of like a possum I [TS]
00:13:45 ◼ ► and I just I never I never really did homework homework was a real unkindest avoided homework and revision for tests [TS]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and so I just I mean I think that I'm going to I'm going to be neutral and she does tell me make sure. [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Oh forget Ask me again my own personal experience in school at the end of this but thank you. [TS]
00:14:07 ◼ ► And interestingly the result was basically there is no difference between any of these strategies giving lots of [TS]
00:14:15 ◼ ► homework giving no homework really doesn't change the end of end of year academic results in any significant way. [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► And we're talking about extremes here. Hours of homework or no homework it doesn't matter. [TS]
00:14:38 ◼ ► and so I think this again come it forced you to come to some strange conclusions like boy. [TS]
00:14:47 ◼ ► and that we like that we think is is the thing that is contributing to how well kids do on a test [TS]
00:15:03 ◼ ► or someone else on the Reddit who asked the question basically along the lines of I'm thinking of becoming a teacher. [TS]
00:15:09 ◼ ► It's not the profession I want to go into. Am I making a mistake. Is this a good profession. [TS]
00:15:15 ◼ ► I mean you went into that profession what do you say to someone who asks you that should I become a teacher. [TS]
00:15:24 ◼ ► I feel like I have become famous on the spot because for my size will never know with is that a yes. [TS]
00:15:39 ◼ ► I think that if I can hear you can hear your reluctance like I've called it here into some know it west face that this [TS]
00:15:51 ◼ ► The things I'm trying to formulate is that's a very hard question to answer in the absence of all kinds of other in [TS]
00:16:05 ◼ ► when someone talks about becoming a teacher I mean I would say as a general statement that being a teacher is a better [TS]
00:16:31 ◼ ► and because of that science teachers are in high demand particularly physics specialists are in very high demand in the [TS]
00:16:40 ◼ ► and That meant that I basically was able to have the pick of any schools that I wanted to work at [TS]
00:17:03 ◼ ► I found a school that I wanted to go to when I applied to and they just said yes but that's because that's a supply [TS]
00:17:24 ◼ ► but I am I'm in a better position probably than most people who are going to enter that labor market [TS]
00:17:41 ◼ ► and job opportunity factors what about just in terms of the reward of the job in terms of you know a lot of people [TS]
00:17:53 ◼ ► and live don't make me go down this path Brady. I know this is a place to be follow up and. Well OK. [TS]
00:18:07 ◼ ► Well he buys would tell and Africa's you going to have to either edit out that last comment on this I'm sorry [TS]
00:18:12 ◼ ► but I can. OK. Here here is this is a bit would be a slightly roundabout way may be of answer the question. [TS]
00:18:28 ◼ ► I went through a training program called P G C E postgraduate certificate of education and I was on a great course. [TS]
00:18:36 ◼ ► You know I had some some great mentors there was it was overall just a very good experience. [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► I still have this hard time understanding the English education system as a whole so I just know this one little path [TS]
00:18:51 ◼ ► But yes it is a it is a year long program that presumes that you already have a bachelor's level degree in whatever it [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► So when I when I did physics at my regular college I didn't specialize in education so this is in the U.S. [TS]
00:19:09 ◼ ► This is sort of like the equivalent of a master's of education. But anyway doesn't doesn't matter. [TS]
00:19:16 ◼ ► and I'm going to say maybe at the start there were probably about maybe forty of us who were who were training to be. [TS]
00:19:29 ◼ ► At the group as a whole the majority opinion was the boy I can't wait to inspire the next generation [TS]
00:19:39 ◼ ► and change young minds kind of attitude about being a teacher. But as the year went on people dropped out. [TS]
00:19:48 ◼ ► People withdrew and I couldn't help but notice that the more I can't wait to change young minds a person was [TS]
00:19:58 ◼ ► when they came into the course. The more likely they were to drop out over the course of the year. [TS]
00:20:06 ◼ ► And so these are the kind of more starry eyed I would say starry eyed was inversely proportional to probability of [TS]
00:20:15 ◼ ► and I was in a I would say more pragmatic little clutch of friends in that group of people who were not starry eyed. [TS]
00:20:30 ◼ ► but notice that my little pragmatic group had a very low dropout rate until at the end I think eight of us graduated in [TS]
00:20:54 ◼ ► And so what happened in the in the sort of course of that course that well paid the stereo and people dropping out. [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► One effect is something I think of as the I'm going to start a restaurant effect which is when [TS]
00:21:20 ◼ ► or businesses that they could start I think people have a tendency to think about stuff that is visible that they're [TS]
00:21:28 ◼ ► familiar with. Obviously it's harder to think about things that you're now familiar with. [TS]
00:21:31 ◼ ► So when people think oh I want to start a business they look around and they see restaurants [TS]
00:21:35 ◼ ► and they think oh I understand what a restaurant is it's cooks and waiters and I know all these things [TS]
00:21:41 ◼ ► or starting a business that is a restaurant anybody who knows anything about the restaurant business knows it's just [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► about the worst business that you could possibly go into the failure rate is almost absolutely certain [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► That disproportionately when people are thinking about jobs they can do like I mention in the last episode. [TS]
00:22:09 ◼ ► and everybody kind of thinks they understand what it's like to be a teacher because they've been seeing teachers all [TS]
00:22:16 ◼ ► So my guess is that relative to other arche relative to other occupations there might be an over application of people [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► to become teachers just in the same way that too many people start restaurant businesses so I think that that's part of [TS]
00:22:34 ◼ ► what's going on there. But the second thing that I would say happened is just kind of the P.T.C. [TS]
00:22:56 ◼ ► and actually teaching kids it is both a very different experience than you think of it as a student [TS]
00:23:08 ◼ ► So teaching the actual time in front of class is actually a relatively small part of the job [TS]
00:23:21 ◼ ► And I think that's hard to come to grips to sometimes and I think you do have to realize for the first time when [TS]
00:23:30 ◼ ► when you're actually teaching a bunch of kids one how did this idea about influencing individual kids is very hard [TS]
00:23:42 ◼ ► and you start having to really realize the math about how much individual time can you possibly spend with any of those [TS]
00:23:46 ◼ ► millions. And also I think many people who go into teaching had some kind of experience being tutors at one point. [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Shuter you're kind of by definition usually involve with people who are motivated to some extent to learn and so [TS]
00:24:07 ◼ ► when you're in the teaching program you are you are forced to be in a room with people who really don't want you there [TS]
00:24:13 ◼ ► and that is all that is also what I think people just don't realize is a very different experience of everybody who's [TS]
00:24:27 ◼ ► and I actually don't have the freedom to teach my own subject the way I wanted to so I think it's a really harsh [TS]
00:24:52 ◼ ► That's you know I think it's very different to see someone just not be able to do a physics calculation [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► If you if you could be a music teacher for many many years you deserve some kind of you know a Purple Heart [TS]
00:25:16 ◼ ► That's that's that's got to be that's going to someone is thinking I think I'd like to be a teacher. [TS]
00:25:22 ◼ ► What what is kind of the burning question you think I should be asking themselves what tests should they apply [TS]
00:25:39 ◼ ► and you're a little bit hard bitten desperate What is that all there is to it like what was it with any of the traits [TS]
00:25:46 ◼ ► you in that little clique of successes had that group of people that I graduated with where you were just very [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► And if I if I was talking to someone I think really really just the main red flag is too much talking about how they're [TS]
00:26:15 ◼ ► but other than Other than that I'm not sure if the if there's any particular traits that I can label as going in the [TS]
00:26:24 ◼ ► Oh this is this is going to be something that's good the starry eyed ness is is inversely proportional probably to [TS]
00:26:32 ◼ ► I might it might have been an unusual group of people who it was it was probably a little scared of the other starry [TS]
00:26:38 ◼ ► eyed people and they would have been brilliant to continue to sort of put them all off. [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► Now I know I don't think so and you told me that I was and that you told me to come back [TS]
00:26:51 ◼ ► and remind you to tell me something about homework. Oh yes. Now again this is a story not sure if I can come later. [TS]
00:27:01 ◼ ► His podcast is like take a minute slow stirrings OK Others admit maybe we'll get through it my parents are also going [TS]
00:27:09 ◼ ► to cringe at this because I know we have had discussions about my attitude as a student who had school sometimes so [TS]
00:27:18 ◼ ► And also if you are if you are a student in school you should probably not listen to the next five minutes [TS]
00:27:27 ◼ ► Listen to your teacher do what they say and press press the two minutes get button I can touch them. That disclaimer. [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► My view towards homework was basically the same as yours which was well this is it this is totally pointless. [TS]
00:27:51 ◼ ► and the school system that I went to get this is very it is so different from England but in New York. [TS]
00:28:00 ◼ ► Anyway in the school that I went to what you got the beginning of course was a syllabus that outlined how much [TS]
00:28:10 ◼ ► and so if you would get a piece of paper that basically said something like there are going to be four tests this year [TS]
00:28:16 ◼ ► and those four tests will count for fifty percent of your final grade. There's going to be ten quizzes. [TS]
00:28:23 ◼ ► Those ten quizzes are going to count for forty percent and almost always the last that was [TS]
00:28:30 ◼ ► and your homework is going to count for ten percent of your final mark so what I really liked is a student I found very [TS]
00:28:48 ◼ ► and I knew the super valedictorians we had the little planners like most kids do would have like graphs [TS]
00:28:55 ◼ ► and charts in the back where they'd be keeping track of everything to make sure you know everything has to get on track. [TS]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and you're telling me it's ten percent of the final grade versus those four tests which are more you know which are [TS]
00:29:29 ◼ ► So if you look at my report card as a kid it is basically straight eighteen minuses and B. [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Plus is because I decided I'm just going to take the hit on that homework where you just give me a zero for that [TS]
00:29:41 ◼ ► I'm just not going to do it and instead I'm going to put my efforts toward studying for the quizzes [TS]
00:29:49 ◼ ► But that I can do in a relatively compressed period of time and so I would say that [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► I'm because I consciously decided to not do the homework and it was great and you know while I look back on it [TS]
00:30:09 ◼ ► and think like you know you know what I have had a better life had I learned better work habits which is definitely [TS]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and we can talk maybe you know some other time about how that really really hit me later in life not how think their [TS]
00:30:27 ◼ ► However I am aware that if I was able to time travel back to my fourteen year old entering high school self there is [TS]
00:30:35 ◼ ► nothing I could say that that kid but you can convince him to do his homework because he with he would tell me [TS]
00:30:41 ◼ ► but why do I want to spend all of this time on all of the summer can only come from ten percent [TS]
00:30:45 ◼ ► and I would have to say you're right. What did you do with his spare time you had I I was I was a rather bookish kid. [TS]
00:30:53 ◼ ► So you did your homework so you could go and read books and basically what I did and. [TS]
00:31:01 ◼ ► I also I was not a big get much to my parents' eternal eternal suffering it's not a big joiner so I didn't join all [TS]
00:31:10 ◼ ► these clubs and I became more and more of a sore point as college applications approached [TS]
00:31:18 ◼ ► and you know you're sick you're supposed to have listed on there all the things you do [TS]
00:31:22 ◼ ► or you know you know you volunteered at the local hospital and you know you rescued puppies on the weekend [TS]
00:31:31 ◼ ► But so when when I applied to college my resume was a little thin. Now we say but what I think what saved me. [TS]
00:31:43 ◼ ► but what I said I wrote a little letter basically saying that I didn't really join clubs [TS]
00:31:52 ◼ ► and I attached a reading list of all of the stuff that I had read in the past ten years. [TS]
00:31:57 ◼ ► I said like this is this is my quibble. End of extracurricular activities and so on. [TS]
00:32:10 ◼ ► Unfortunately I don't I guess I had a major computer disaster my senior year of college where I lost everything [TS]
00:32:20 ◼ ► and so I don't have any of those records I really wish I did I'd be curious to go back [TS]
00:32:27 ◼ ► but that is that stuff is gone into the digital ether that was that was before I learned computer backups how to do [TS]
00:32:33 ◼ ► them properly. If I can if I can just make a slight aside we have but I have been basically saying How so. [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► I just put in a word for my own college that I went to which was in New York while I have been saying negative things [TS]
00:33:08 ◼ ► I would say that that my four years where there were definitely some of the best years [TS]
00:33:19 ◼ ► when we talked about this a little bit after the last episode cut but I am aware that there are there are none none. [TS]
00:33:37 ◼ ► and I I think I definitely reaped as as many of those as it was possible to repay in a four year period so I personally [TS]
00:33:45 ◼ ► had an absolutely great time it was an absolute comp at the peak so today you've just you've just sold the whole rug [TS]
00:33:52 ◼ ► and everything you've said for the last four podcast by saying you know this is just which is still Catalin we're after [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► The paper and and they are saying that for me it changed my life and I wonder Well I want to give everyone a hug. [TS]
00:34:11 ◼ ► First why don't we clear on that a second second of all I would never have gotten into economics grad school [TS]
00:34:20 ◼ ► and then buy the P.G. C. Program. Had I not finish those final courses to give me that piece of paper. [TS]
00:34:26 ◼ ► So that's that's you know that argument still holds that my life would have been probably pretty disastrous still had I [TS]
00:34:39 ◼ ► So that's the still say that that is a different there's a different kind of argument. [TS]
00:34:50 ◼ ► Yeah there's like many will follow up now that you've just undermined everything I have undermined nothing you got. [TS]
00:34:59 ◼ ► I think I think marshmallow. Yes that's that's me I am going soft. No I guess not. [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► Do you have anything on your list that you want you want to mention this this app that this guy's made. [TS]
00:35:14 ◼ ► Oh yes of course Hal I'll let you I'll let you have the pleasure of doing it saying it really really it belittles me in [TS]
00:35:22 ◼ ► a funny backhanded kind of oh I almost forgot I was I was thinking of my healthy on Day to every city where a boy I [TS]
00:35:30 ◼ ► demand. Bookish. Yes OK so I didn't look at his name. Yes So this is Nicolas coral. [TS]
00:35:46 ◼ ► That's you know listen I'm going to guess Nicholas correlate and I'm sorry if that last name is not correct [TS]
00:35:52 ◼ ► but he has made a little web application which is called Brady versus Gray and up a link in the show notes. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► And I think he's using the You Tube E P I's to automatically have a little tally that shows how many videos you have [TS]
00:36:09 ◼ ► made since my last show and what's not a moment. Yes So so looking at it right now I'm just just loading it up here. [TS]
00:36:20 ◼ ► QUESTION At the top how many videos has Brady Haran release and seem to be very last released a video. Answer nine. [TS]
00:36:37 ◼ ► and so today today is what the sixteenth that right so you have done nine videos between April ninth [TS]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and April sixteenth so that's that's that's not making me look fine so you have health by the way I think people [TS]
00:36:51 ◼ ► sometimes don't realize that there's two very talented people who have been helping me out lately a guy named Sean who [TS]
00:36:59 ◼ ► makes most of the computer files that he has and I just occasionally sweepin for some glory [TS]
00:37:05 ◼ ► and also a guy called James who has been helping me out especially on my test tube videos so it's not like I am like [TS]
00:37:21 ◼ ► and you think gee that's really good for Brady video it was probably made by one of those. Look how modest you are. [TS]
00:37:30 ◼ ► But anyway so they check at the app however I have a feature request of a feature request for Nicholas. [TS]
00:37:45 ◼ ► and if you do a views per video calculation I am still ahead in this game so I think this page is if you say yeah only [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Two it makes you look great I would love a views per video calculator to be added to this page to even things out. [TS]
00:38:08 ◼ ► I can find Lomas is also a total view calculation I think that's not necessary I think that it is not necessary he just [TS]
00:38:16 ◼ ► of just simply views per video that is my feature request one feature request total views. That's not as not required. [TS]
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00:38:37 ◼ ► Today I'm going to do my first fiction recommendation and that's the Stand by Stephen King. [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► but the brief overview of the book is that a plague has broken out from a government detention facility [TS]
00:38:50 ◼ ► You might think you know the story but Stephen King puts his own special spin on the events. [TS]
00:38:54 ◼ ► It's one of those epic sprawling story that takes place across many locations with many characters [TS]
00:39:01 ◼ ► The book is almost forty eight hours long when spoken aloud by a narrator who does a very good job. [TS]
00:39:08 ◼ ► When you have a book that you really like you want to go on forever and the stand is that book. [TS]
00:39:14 ◼ ► or you just have some big chunk of time where you want to be able to listen to something the stand is the perfect book [TS]
00:39:21 ◼ ► and if you listen to my previous recommendation for a Stephen King book about writing you will also know the kind of [TS]
00:39:29 ◼ ► and that he still has about the existence of that book which gives a little bit of an interesting backstory. [TS]
00:39:35 ◼ ► So once again that's the Stand by Stephen King highly recommended by me. I really like it. [TS]
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00:40:04 ◼ ► Now back to Episode ten there was the ad the ad on the previous podcast was full Squarespace you thank you very much [TS]
00:40:18 ◼ ► Why did you record that last one a sense that you're in a past time was something really. Yes generally different. [TS]
00:40:33 ◼ ► That last episode was recorded in my home office because I'm having technical technical difficulties at my office [TS]
00:40:50 ◼ ► and that's because I am currently at home talking into a closet on a very old microphone [TS]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and so that if if the sound quality on my end is not so great I do apologize for that [TS]
00:41:07 ◼ ► but if I'm having some microphone troubles that I cannot resolve so I'm in this different different set up for the [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► moment you know what you wouldn't have this problem if you had more cushions and soft furnishings [TS]
00:41:20 ◼ ► Or I could just get some proper sound proofing which is my ultimate goal to just have to have a space where I have that [TS]
00:41:28 ◼ ► little eggshell kind of sound proofing that is much better than just stealing my house next to hopefully observe the [TS]
00:41:36 ◼ ► sound in a random unpredictable fashion probably useless fashion as well so that that that is not going to happen [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► but I'm terribly hunched over like a troll right now because I don't even yet have my desk [TS]
00:41:51 ◼ ► or my chair that was one of the errands I was running today is getting that that stuff set up. [TS]
00:41:55 ◼ ► So tomorrow I will have a chair and hopefully in a week I will have a desk. But right now. [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Hunched over and so if I move too far away from the microphone I just sound terrible and try not to do that [TS]
00:42:06 ◼ ► but again I apologize if I'm doing that too much so sorry internets. I don't mean to hurt your ears. [TS]
00:42:11 ◼ ► Can we do my two segments now. Yes What are your two segments. So first of all it's Brady's plane crash. [TS]
00:42:19 ◼ ► If you're making these real Can we have a jingle or something. No let's not be bad taste let's just feel great. [TS]
00:42:25 ◼ ► Plane Crash going to I know it you are using the very thing crash is just a minor clarification of something that came [TS]
00:42:38 ◼ ► Thank fresh going and that is that you mentioned this plane that was flying from Katmandu to look exploded. [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► OK and then try to get back around to the airport and was unsuccessful. So as you know we can be clear on these things. [TS]
00:42:58 ◼ ► You make fun of me for nitpicky corrections but I can see when it comes to a subject that is near [TS]
00:43:03 ◼ ► and dear to your heart you want to make sure they get the facts just right. Well yeah of course. [TS]
00:43:09 ◼ ► And and now my other segment which also I think should have like a sound effect or jingle [TS]
00:43:14 ◼ ► but let's just say if it sticks first and that is Brady's paper of mine I think was there [TS]
00:43:23 ◼ ► and then we may we shall complain about how you came up with the name Brady's paper gets that was mocking. [TS]
00:43:30 ◼ ► I wasn't suggesting actually weekly segment but I can see I can see that your mony mind has latched on to this. [TS]
00:43:45 ◼ ► His Brady's paper kept in its wake and funnily enough this is something that has been annoying me for quite a while [TS]
00:43:54 ◼ ► when people have liked that radio used to have radios sign ins about things that annoy you but you can complain. [TS]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and complained about the number of the educated the complaining they just have like a little segment on a talk show. [TS]
00:44:14 ◼ ► but I think we're right should bacon present a high like on Five Live has this weekly moanin where people ring up [TS]
00:44:22 ◼ ► and complain about things and then whoever is the best murder of the week at surprise [TS]
00:44:26 ◼ ► and then called the Mona Lisa Rinna listens to some I'm not surprised that you know about this how much have you [TS]
00:44:37 ◼ ► OK And I wouldn't be able to win anyway because the thing I'm moaning about is something on his radio station I don't [TS]
00:44:51 ◼ ► and so I was annoyed to find myself doing what annoys me when I listen to other radio shows. Yes. [TS]
00:44:58 ◼ ► So should I tell you what it is I would like to know when I'm listening to the talk show presented on Five Live. [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► I can always hear them clicking their maps constantly here and they go through all the running orders [TS]
00:45:10 ◼ ► and things they need to for the next segment things that looking up and this incessant clicking. [TS]
00:45:14 ◼ ► And because in the last pod cast we had that silly gimmick where I released one of my videos. [TS]
00:45:26 ◼ ► when I listened back I could hear myself click click clicking all the way through. [TS]
00:45:36 ◼ ► and the last pod cast so I apologize I will try not to do it again and that is Brady's papercut for the flick. [TS]
00:45:54 ◼ ► I do I do know I do know that I used to listen to more newsy podcasts and yes I do. [TS]
00:46:00 ◼ ► I was aware sometimes of hearing the clicking I never knew that they were I mean I just didn't really cross my mind [TS]
00:46:12 ◼ ► or whatever they're bored you know because of the person across from them is talking to me is not their turn to ask a [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► So yeah I kind of assume that they were messing around not me I know exactly what these guys are doing [TS]
00:46:25 ◼ ► but I just don't believe that they can come up with some kind of solution to this. [TS]
00:46:33 ◼ ► So clicky mouse is about to use it like a keyboard you know you need if you need a really tricky keyboard. [TS]
00:46:41 ◼ ► but I think if you are a radio presenter you can make this one sacrifice of not having a pleasing mouse for the sake of [TS]
00:46:48 ◼ ► tens to hundreds of thousands of people who are listening to pleasing mouse is really important you know [TS]
00:46:53 ◼ ► when they all say they can use a pleasing mass just in the studio and you have to feel you can use different mice [TS]
00:47:04 ◼ ► and you want to hear it you want to you know this is like a switch has been thrown in the machine [TS]
00:47:08 ◼ ► and made contact if you know the beautiful thing and it has thousands of times and I do agree I do agree. [TS]
00:47:15 ◼ ► But this is actually an interesting debate I have in my house out with pads on on the MacBook Pro because you know how [TS]
00:47:22 ◼ ► you can just tap the pad and that counts as a click you can press the pad completely [TS]
00:47:33 ◼ ► but I get told of all the time until I want you to stick a little tap you don't have to make it quick. [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► Now I disable all of that I don't even allow that to happen on my machine. Not that you have to click. [TS]
00:47:45 ◼ ► I never even I never even quite approved of their moves at the single singletrack pad that also acts as the clicker is [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► but the best is of course is an external super quick e-mail us that's what you really want. [TS]
00:48:02 ◼ ► and you don't want to get caught like you know the lack of I know I have ridiculously dodgy that sound [TS]
00:48:10 ◼ ► and I didn't mean that you have to just because you know I'm checking read it when I should be going to sleep [TS]
00:48:15 ◼ ► but you don't go on read it that much and you're too busy making videos all the time [TS]
00:48:20 ◼ ► but do not like on Reddit I mean I don't go on as much as you but I do you go and read a lot [TS]
00:48:25 ◼ ► but I thought you just grace us with with with your presence on the not other threads. [TS]
00:48:29 ◼ ► No I'm not like I'm not like a hugely proactive in terms of commenting but I'm a big consumer I love I spent hours [TS]
00:48:38 ◼ ► and hours on the ground. Yeah I've got it is very good. Yeah there's a lot of good sections on there. [TS]
00:48:44 ◼ ► Yeah I went through all that in the video but you know who is the who is the biggest creditor [TS]
00:49:06 ◼ ► and usually beats me to interesting sub Radatz that man that man is a machine I don't know how it pays for him [TS]
00:49:12 ◼ ► and I don't think he sleeps because not only does he make all those awesome videos but you know he's got a job [TS]
00:49:25 ◼ ► It's four in the morning on East Coast time and he sends me a message to ask about something or other [TS]
00:49:38 ◼ ► and I will put a link in the show notes he has lots of very cool slow motion stuff [TS]
00:49:47 ◼ ► and read it you probably bump into him in the sense of what you couldn't read it missed a penny whistle something isn't [TS]
00:50:02 ◼ ► and gotten onto the front page of Reddit is also a very enormous he's very good at the Reddit it's not just his videos [TS]
00:50:12 ◼ ► and it gets to the front page so he's very good at everything he does that man I'm envious. [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► Well there's something else I was going to bring up the view counts on the videos. [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► and that ties into what we're talking about as well just how important he counts on videos you know how much cache [TS]
00:50:31 ◼ ► and how much sort of credence is lent to a video but he can't which is I think it's something we've discussed before. [TS]
00:50:40 ◼ ► when someone looks at a video they look at if you can't decide if the video is any good not the continent with media [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► or with the audience depending on him to go have proved to you over the editing this way but. [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► Basically yesterday I was sent a video by a young it was just a cute video of him rather say what I want to bother with [TS]
00:51:09 ◼ ► the story behind just rolling dice and was very cute and it happened to be his birthday today as we record this [TS]
00:51:21 ◼ ► And and for whatever reason I decided to make him a little response video so I used his video [TS]
00:51:31 ◼ ► and we will record a birthday message to him sang Happy Birthday Evan you know we have given all the best to you [TS]
00:51:43 ◼ ► but I posted it as an unlisted video so that it didn't go up to nine hundred thousand subscribers [TS]
00:51:49 ◼ ► and chased them all off when they're saying we want hard core math. What's with this fluff. [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► He was about it so they could go on to the video and leave a message in the comment saying happy birthday Evan. [TS]
00:52:12 ◼ ► or whoever was looking after him so I got a video back today from the people which showed his reaction to seeing the [TS]
00:52:19 ◼ ► video and he was so excited it was so cute and he was like his voice was going high pitch and he couldn't believe it [TS]
00:52:25 ◼ ► and it was so much fun it was so much fun enjoying his excitement when you watch someone open a present [TS]
00:52:30 ◼ ► and then he open the You Tube video page and then this thing he said was when he had two hundred sixty views. [TS]
00:52:48 ◼ ► but you could only say he was disappointed like the disappointment that you know he's going to be on a number far video [TS]
00:52:55 ◼ ► and you know you know this was pretty well this was a failure in marketing you need to sell this as a secret video. [TS]
00:53:09 ◼ ► Because I can understand it from the skewed perspective who I'm going to be on a number of file video I'm going to be [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► It's you know it doesn't even hit the three o one limit the three I won it not in when he opened it and [TS]
00:53:25 ◼ ► when he opened and so if you sold it as a secret video that that would be much more exciting. [TS]
00:53:38 ◼ ► but YOU SAY YOU'RE SO HOT content during the day I was going to ask your opinion on whether [TS]
00:53:43 ◼ ► or not I should release the video to the masses. Well I haven't seen it so I can't pass a judgment on that. [TS]
00:53:53 ◼ ► What would be the in saying at what would be your criteria to give me a yes or no. [TS]
00:54:00 ◼ ► Well I think this is partly a question about your generosity because presumably the kid would be excited to be number [TS]
00:54:20 ◼ ► but I think depending on the content of the video if it is a bunch of people wishing someone a happy birthday you also [TS]
00:54:28 ◼ ► have to weigh that against probably a not insignificant proportion of your subscribers being irritated. [TS]
00:54:41 ◼ ► The future birthday requests you were that you were going to start to get inundated with everybody's birthday [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► and then you're just going to seem like a precious person for granting the magical birthday happiness to this one kid. [TS]
00:55:02 ◼ ► But then everybody else who writes in to you and let you know about their birthday [TS]
00:55:05 ◼ ► or post the Yahtzee video on their birthday they get nothing. And then you've made them feel worse. [TS]
00:55:12 ◼ ► So I think you have to weigh the sum aggregate of a single child's happiness versus all of the sadness you will produce [TS]
00:55:35 ◼ ► Can you guess what I thought I might think would be a good thing to do. Well you would have done first class. [TS]
00:55:42 ◼ ► OK I would have released it is the secret video I think that that is already above and beyond. [TS]
00:56:04 ◼ ► We can talk because we're talking about him on the podcast. OK I'm typing in the King. And I told him that. [TS]
00:56:23 ◼ ► and you tell me what I have I have given you a framework in which to make a decision the decision is yours. [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► I mean the thing I want to talk to you about was what was what you felt about the importance we put on The View counter. [TS]
00:56:41 ◼ ► Well that that's a good hard question to answer in the abstract in some ways it is the most important thing because the [TS]
00:56:47 ◼ ► view counter is proportional to the advertising which is proportional to our incomes so the views need to be decent in [TS]
00:56:57 ◼ ► order to be able to earn an actual living on this so that I mean that that's one way that is one way to look at it. [TS]
00:57:05 ◼ ► But look when someone sends you a video you know a friend or family or you say something on Twitter [TS]
00:57:14 ◼ ► The first thing you look at it's hard not to look at it as as the as the first thing. [TS]
00:57:23 ◼ ► I mean it has to it has to color the way you view the rest of the video here this is not this is not exactly it [TS]
00:57:34 ◼ ► but basically the anchoring effect where people perceive things very differently based on what they perceived just [TS]
00:57:43 ◼ ► and so I imagine there has to be some kind of anchoring effect with the view numbers that if you see something with a [TS]
00:57:49 ◼ ► huge number of views that it affects how you perceive it versus if you see it with a smaller number of views [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► An experiment that was run I'm sorry Internet I might get the details of this wrong [TS]
00:58:03 ◼ ► but the gist of it was that having people listen to a random selection of unknown music [TS]
00:58:10 ◼ ► and having them determine what songs they like the best and not surprisingly the view numbers [TS]
00:58:18 ◼ ► but the list of numbers on the songs influenced people's opinions about what songs they thought they liked the best [TS]
00:58:28 ◼ ► The original the original study was talking about the interesting thing was about the superstar effect. [TS]
00:58:37 ◼ ► and uppish just just make a superstar's And if you run the experiment multiple times with different groups of people [TS]
00:58:43 ◼ ► but the same set of music and everyone can see everybody else's views and you slightly randomize it at the start. [TS]
00:59:05 ◼ ► and it depends very highly on the initial number of years that you get so that you can't have to affect how people [TS]
00:59:23 ◼ ► I feel that you you have some sort of not a bad reservation about this I think you completely wrong. [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► and that people were went through that about the look of you can work very well. This is tenth podcast. [TS]
00:59:48 ◼ ► Yes We always said we were going to do a ten. Yes that was the plan from the start. [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► So this feels like a time to reflect. Yes. To look back at that. Highs and lows the good times and the bad. [TS]
01:00:03 ◼ ► The path the forecast calls goes all sepia now. Yeah we need some sort of sad but also slightly hopeful music. [TS]
01:00:14 ◼ ► Yes yes I can think about the highs and the lows where we've been what we've done or good times [TS]
01:00:20 ◼ ► and the bad the good times and the tears the tears that might have caused other people to the show. [TS]
01:00:37 ◼ ► and I don't know I'm feeling I'm feeling very mixed about this pod casting experiment. [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► So I think maybe like we were talking about before with people become teachers because they know about teachers. [TS]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I one of the things that I've been thinking about doing some sort of pockets for a long time because I am a huge [TS]
01:01:00 ◼ ► consumer of podcasts and I have listened to podcasts for years and years just all the time. [TS]
01:01:08 ◼ ► So it was something always in the back of my mind to do as a project and just like becoming a teacher. [TS]
01:01:14 ◼ ► When you try to do a podcast you discover it is a very different kind of thing than maybe you thought about it in the [TS]
01:01:23 ◼ ► beginning. So I have definitely enjoyed it but it has it has it has been very interesting. [TS]
01:01:28 ◼ ► And how's that been different what something that was different to what you expected. [TS]
01:01:33 ◼ ► Well the thing that strikes me about it the most is listening to myself speak extemporaneously. [TS]
01:01:45 ◼ ► So as we discussed in a previous pod cast when I prepared for lessons as a teacher or [TS]
01:01:51 ◼ ► when I prepared for speaking engagements that I had I did a lot of practice with those presentations and I. [TS]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Was my style was to seem like I was speaking extemporaneously but it was relatively well rehearsed. [TS]
01:02:13 ◼ ► We both kind of showed up with nothing and just said Oh well I guess let's hit record and let's see what happens. [TS]
01:02:19 ◼ ► And so hearing myself actually talking in a genuinely unstructured unprepared way is a very strange experience. [TS]
01:02:27 ◼ ► And the thing that bugs me a lot of pain when I listen back is I think of like the previous episode with schools [TS]
01:02:35 ◼ ► when I'm editing it I listen to myself and I think why don't you finish that thought. [TS]
01:02:52 ◼ ► and then also be wondering why you're not following up on what seems like the most obvious thing to follow up on [TS]
01:02:58 ◼ ► because you've got this crazy Australian interrupting all the time and I ask you questions that's why sometimes [TS]
01:03:04 ◼ ► but sometimes I can hear myself lose the plot of my own argument in the middle of it and it's. [TS]
01:03:12 ◼ ► Also just as anyone has ever had the experience of hearing your own self recorded it's always just horrifying to hear [TS]
01:03:30 ◼ ► or hearing yourself in an audio clip for a brief period of time and then as some of these shows going back [TS]
01:03:37 ◼ ► and listening to yourself talk about something for two hours it is a whole other level of pain because at that scale [TS]
01:03:47 ◼ ► you can't help but start tuning into all of your own personal audio tics or the way you say things [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► or your particular inflections and every one of them becomes a tiny dagger of pain. [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► In the way that you perceive yourself and in your head you think you're being so smooth and so convincing [TS]
01:04:08 ◼ ► and then you listen to yourself and you have to face the reality that maybe you're not so smooth [TS]
01:04:14 ◼ ► But here's here's the interesting thing that I want to ask you on that point do you have that same kind of feeling [TS]
01:04:22 ◼ ► listening to yourself. Do you do you find it an awkward experience when you listen back. [TS]
01:04:39 ◼ ► I mean I don't like how my voice sounds and you know I listen and think I wish I sounded less breezy [TS]
01:04:59 ◼ ► and maybe it's because you're eating more of the talking and I do more of the asking. [TS]
01:05:12 ◼ ► I'll be listening to you talk and this question will come into my head that I really want to ask you [TS]
01:05:21 ◼ ► And like I always think asking questions because I never prepare questions and I just sort of you know [TS]
01:05:29 ◼ ► Now I'm beginning to realize maybe it's you know it is just the natural way I think because nine times out of ten even [TS]
01:05:45 ◼ ► Maybe it's because I remember saying it the first time around I don't know but that has been the thing [TS]
01:05:51 ◼ ► and like I will laugh at something you say as you say on the podcast promising back [TS]
01:05:56 ◼ ► and then I'll hear myself laugh on the progress exactly the same way. Really surprised how predictable I am to myself. [TS]
01:06:10 ◼ ► and then you think oh good on me for asking that question that was that was exactly what I wanted to hear. [TS]
01:06:14 ◼ ► Then I mean it's a funny thing because it might might because you know my job is asking questions that's what I'm doing [TS]
01:06:22 ◼ ► But recently I went to a lecture given by a woman who was really fascinating and interesting [TS]
01:06:29 ◼ ► and I had all these questions I wanted to ask like all the way through the lecture like depending on what she was [TS]
01:06:33 ◼ ► talking about and I found a really unusual experience to not be allowed to interrupt [TS]
01:06:39 ◼ ► and ask the questions I wanted to ask and I was just having to sit there passively [TS]
01:06:47 ◼ ► So in that respect I haven't I haven't hated listening to myself as much as I expected. [TS]
01:06:59 ◼ ► and let's say something again because of this podcast is almost like a lot of my videos it's it's someone talking [TS]
01:07:09 ◼ ► But obviously it's a big stretch for you because you're used to these tightly prepared structured short pieces of [TS]
01:07:18 ◼ ► communication in your in your typical videos and in some ways this is the exact opposite in almost every single way. [TS]
01:07:32 ◼ ► I hate my voice or I wish I get a better job. But usually actual change in format. Yeah it's it's it's very different. [TS]
01:07:42 ◼ ► And but is it liberating in some ways like do you like being able to just expand on points and not have to sum [TS]
01:07:48 ◼ ► or summarize in one pithy sentence or do you not like that kind of flabby nature of pod casting. [TS]
01:08:00 ◼ ► As a thing to do because when when I first got into podcasting And I mean this is now. [TS]
01:08:07 ◼ ► I mean whenever whenever the first i Pod came out you know back in the day I'd listen to pockets for a long long time [TS]
01:08:14 ◼ ► and they started out as as real produced radio shows but as time and technology marched on more [TS]
01:08:24 ◼ ► and more people normal people started doing podcasts that were in the genre that I think of as the two dude's talking [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► Jonna. Hence there are there are a ton of pod cast which kind of fall into this genre. [TS]
01:08:43 ◼ ► but it's you know it's usually two guys at least in the kinds of podcast that I listen to so we're not breaking ground [TS]
01:08:59 ◼ ► or miss so I have a tendency to go through punk ass where I will suddenly in a burst subscribe to twenty new podcasts [TS]
01:09:07 ◼ ► and then whittle it back down so much sort of growing and winnowing my podcast list [TS]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and then realize you know I hate nineteen out of twenty of these and cut them back but I would keep one or two [TS]
01:09:31 ◼ ► I I think that that kind of communication was it was a new sort of thing that you can have it in quotes show that two [TS]
01:09:46 ◼ ► and the key to all of those pod cast that I kept was basically do I like the to do to do I find them interesting. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Definitely shows that I have listened to where I have no ability to really judge what they're talking about [TS]
01:10:11 ◼ ► and so because because that format exists that was getting on my mind about maybe this is something that we could do [TS]
01:10:23 ◼ ► but that first that first video that we did the Americans gave it some terrible title because Americans don't [TS]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Numbers give you gave it some slanderous title I don't remember exactly what it was I was meant to change it [TS]
01:10:39 ◼ ► but then so many people commented on the title I felt like I could not change the title. [TS]
01:10:43 ◼ ► Yes So I mean this this was a long time ago now but you asked me to do this video where we're talking about numbers [TS]
01:10:59 ◼ ► but I agreed to because I was treating that as a kind of test run of can the two of us just talk over Skype together in [TS]
01:11:09 ◼ ► a friendly kind of way like do we do we do we work together as as a parrot talking about things that was a kind of job [TS]
01:11:18 ◼ ► or a future podcast so I feel like in the final episode I have to reveal that to you it's a secret I've been holding [TS]
01:11:30 ◼ ► So whatever I think they came out very well but there was also a video where I see the power of the editing [TS]
01:11:36 ◼ ► and so that's why I wanted to make sure that I had a few things you don't edit these very much say like well you know I [TS]
01:11:43 ◼ ► don't always know how much you had it at these podcasts because excellent I listened back to them [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► and I think he's been I might realize you've taken something out because we discussed it we discussed [TS]
01:11:55 ◼ ► and said that didn't work let's just chop it but quite often I would be doing something in the way. [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► Hang on a second I didn't discuss that with him but it was supposed to say that such as it doesn't make it. [TS]
01:12:16 ◼ ► You did have seven segments today for British paper cuts and I don't I don't sell so many. [TS]
01:12:26 ◼ ► So I guess all that all of this was was just leading to trying to answer your question that I. I like this format. [TS]
01:12:37 ◼ ► But part of that is contingent upon the listener's understanding that this is just a conversation between two toots [TS]
01:12:47 ◼ ► and I don't have notes and we're just talking about stuff and one of the things that is both interesting in writing [TS]
01:13:07 ◼ ► So I find this often when I when I write things down for scripts or for some other projects that I'm working on [TS]
01:13:15 ◼ ► when I'm writing something down and I'll write a sentence and then upon editing it back I think. [TS]
01:13:25 ◼ ► and I wrote it down in this way because writing is a kind of externalised thought process. [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► Editing is revising your thoughts and I think that that's very helpful to the thought process [TS]
01:13:40 ◼ ► and there have been times where I have written something and intended article for my blog [TS]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and convinced me of whatever my point was that I was trying to make through the process of OK let me structure this let [TS]
01:14:09 ◼ ► But there isn't any any ability to go back and to revise and to say you know that was a weak point. [TS]
01:14:23 ◼ ► or I don't know if this is actually the best way to make a point in a convincing kind of way. [TS]
01:14:30 ◼ ► And listeners of the last episode who listened all the way to the end will know that I left in the point where we [TS]
01:14:38 ◼ ► and I think the final version ended up being much shorter because that that was one place where we were we were talking [TS]
01:14:44 ◼ ► about some things in the editing later it was the first time I really did this in the podcast [TS]
01:14:48 ◼ ► but I thought I said some things that I just I don't think I can express them this way [TS]
01:14:53 ◼ ► or that's not a good way to express them and so I cut it out. But yes so I said I like this pod cast but I feel like. [TS]
01:15:02 ◼ ► This is this is a like a conversation between friends and your here is listening to me [TS]
01:15:10 ◼ ► and just like with any conversation between friends you can't necessarily hold any of the conversationalists to a [TS]
01:15:26 ◼ ► and so I think my videos are a very high bar of statements I think about the things a lot before I say them. [TS]
01:15:32 ◼ ► But this is different and so the answer to your question is yes I find this an interesting different sort of format [TS]
01:15:45 ◼ ► when editing later on as I've done all the podcast or I think I'm not sure I really agree with whatever that was. [TS]
01:16:04 ◼ ► and there's a chance for me to if I've come across something new in the interim to to change my mind about whatever [TS]
01:16:10 ◼ ► we're going to talk about in the future so yeah that's a very long answer to your question about how I feel about the [TS]
01:16:21 ◼ ► It's like not quite so concrete and it's a bit more just kind of thinking out loud and getting Zeph wrong [TS]
01:16:39 ◼ ► Yes You know that's almost leaving that stuff in not only to save you about three weeks of work but [TS]
01:16:46 ◼ ► but it also is a signpost to people that you know this is just this is just rough this is not this is this is a rough [TS]
01:16:58 ◼ ► and I mean my whole life is like I don't I want my opinion on something is not the opposite of whoever I'm happy to be [TS]
01:17:08 ◼ ► And there are very few things that you know I feel I feel strongly about that you know I think I'm a bit wishy washy in [TS]
01:17:19 ◼ ► but maybe I could just see both sides of things more easily than a lot of other people [TS]
01:17:25 ◼ ► but I never understand why people are so passionate about certain subjects because I always. [TS]
01:17:38 ◼ ► and I'm glad you also don't feel very strongly about that even if I was talking to the world's biggest cricket fan I [TS]
01:17:43 ◼ ► could quite easily see here and make the case that actually is a bit boring so I could do that [TS]
01:17:50 ◼ ► but you wouldn't feel it you wouldn't feel it deep down probably one of the only things I wouldn't get on board with [TS]
01:18:10 ◼ ► but I would say that there is a difference that some people can notice which is that the first three episodes were [TS]
01:18:18 ◼ ► different from the last seven including this one and that's because the first three they were relatively well prepared. [TS]
01:18:32 ◼ ► and I did spend time trying to create a bullet pointed list of points that I wanted to make [TS]
01:18:44 ◼ ► It still was a bit muddled but those were prepared arguments that I kind of wanted to make about particular topics and. [TS]
01:18:52 ◼ ► I have always known that as as this has gone on that if it is to survive it's going to survive. [TS]
01:19:01 ◼ ► As the two dude's talking yonder if people are interested in participating in this conversation listening to us talking [TS]
01:19:10 ◼ ► on the Reddit saying hi on Twitter this is it an internet conversation which is kind of what. Hello Internet. [TS]
01:19:19 ◼ ► and forth with with our silent participants right now and then our vocal participants when we put it up. [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► and structured in the beginning to this because that is the only way that it can have a longer life because I have [TS]
01:19:45 ◼ ► and there there is not a mental space in my life for trying to structure an argument on a semi regular basis. [TS]
01:20:05 ◼ ► and I'm perfectly OK with some people saying the later episodes are not for me because I understand that I do this with [TS]
01:20:18 ◼ ► and then you realize you know what this this particular conversation is not a conversation for me [TS]
01:20:23 ◼ ► but the ones that I do listen in on I know I I really like being there as the silent participant whenever those shows [TS]
01:20:32 ◼ ► come out so that's that's something that is just a kind of technical point about the pod cast that seems really obvious [TS]
01:20:44 ◼ ► but couldn't articulate it so that's that's me trying to articulate a little bit of what has gone on as the pod cast [TS]
01:20:49 ◼ ► has has gone through these ten episodes I can imagine that I mean if someone is listening because they're like you know [TS]
01:20:57 ◼ ► a fan if your video isn't a fantasy it'll probably take some level of interest no matter what you're talking about [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► because because they like you for whatever reason I say that as if I can't imagine any reason to like you. [TS]
01:21:18 ◼ ► and I can imagine someone like who's quite into you cheap thinking what these two guys make You Tube videos so [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► when they're talking about that you know I guess I know talking about to some extent [TS]
01:21:30 ◼ ► but there will be stuff going a bit of paste I'm talking about just like personal opinions on all sorts of stuff I [TS]
01:21:36 ◼ ► guess that's when you venture into what hang on like why would I want to people want to hear you [TS]
01:21:42 ◼ ► and I talk about hanging a mirror or things like that so I guess that's when it gets a bit. [TS]
01:21:49 ◼ ► Yeah and that that is what defines the two dudes talking genre is those kinds of moments [TS]
01:22:03 ◼ ► and they can't believe I can't even remember if I left in your movie your movie review of yeah you did leave it like [TS]
01:22:15 ◼ ► brilliant it was brilliant it could attain good if you had taken the paper when you said I'm insane [TS]
01:22:30 ◼ ► and tell me more that you are now saying that my level of interest is your of do you think do you feel like because I'm [TS]
01:22:43 ◼ ► and I have since gotten gotten into a small handful of recommendations from you know a lot of that I've gotten very [TS]
01:22:52 ◼ ► but I was I was a bit of a novice whereas you obviously have this long history is something you're influenced by. [TS]
01:23:02 ◼ ► Can can one have a podcasting style and therefore be influenced or are you just you know people just himself [TS]
01:23:09 ◼ ► or do you feel that having listened to so many he kind of you know did take on a persona. I mean how does that work. [TS]
01:23:18 ◼ ► Well when I listen to some of your podcasting hearer's that's like a little tricky term for them while they are here. [TS]
01:23:30 ◼ ► Hey you've named before you know the kind of jumps your cases and yes of the world. [TS]
01:23:38 ◼ ► and occasionally there are little bits of you in the pod Pod caster I think that was very much like something they [TS]
01:23:46 ◼ ► would say or some little sum to some little thing and I wonder if that's just because you're like those guys [TS]
01:23:57 ◼ ► or not you know you would be influenced by that do you. I'm just I would guess it's more. Well let's put it this way. [TS]
01:24:14 ◼ ► when if you if you ask people about other people can can you describe this other person. [TS]
01:24:26 ◼ ► They will give you answers that are very narrow and very definitive. That guy is a jerk. You know she is very nice. [TS]
01:24:38 ◼ ► Yeah but if you ask them to describe themselves people talk about their reactions to things situationally. [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► I was grumpy this morning because I didn't have my coffee and or I was feeling really happy [TS]
01:24:59 ◼ ► and that people will also acknowledge for themselves that they are different in different situations so again if you [TS]
01:25:08 ◼ ► think that people think someone is a jerk they imagine he's a jerk all the time and he's a jerk to his wife [TS]
01:25:22 ◼ ► and if you think about that you can you can understand that you can see how this this is the case. [TS]
01:25:31 ◼ ► Just imagine other people you know in your life if you have some boss that you hate it's hard to imagine that that boss [TS]
01:25:38 ◼ ► really love their dog and goes home alive I was actually going to take in the dog and like really happy right. [TS]
01:25:47 ◼ ► We calmly took smug I was I think I was trying to smuggle was I don't I was trying to be some ridiculous thing to say [TS]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and me I am aware of the different facets of me in a way that that other people are not and so when I [TS]
01:26:14 ◼ ► when I'm on this pod cast on you and you ask my being influenced by other people or is it is it what is it. [TS]
01:26:26 ◼ ► and this is this is the social side of me I'm making a real effort to be a much more talkative much more outgoing [TS]
01:26:35 ◼ ► person so the podcast me is is this side of my personality that is not often expressed which is also why it's this is [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► an interesting thing for me to do because I would say that the majority of the time of my life I am I'm very very quiet [TS]
01:26:53 ◼ ► very sort of introverted and I just sort of want to be left alone. And so when I when I do this I kind of. [TS]
01:27:00 ◼ ► I gear up for this in the same way that I gear up for going out to a party with a bunch of people I was like OK I have [TS]
01:27:10 ◼ ► and so that's what this is the reason why I might sound like some of the other pod casters is because this aspect of my [TS]
01:27:17 ◼ ► personality is maybe similar to that sort of aspect of those other people's personalities [TS]
01:27:29 ◼ ► and the listeners now are hearing this external sexual side of me but I mean I'm thinking about you [TS]
01:27:43 ◼ ► All right I know how to how to you are a different sort of person when you're doing interviews or when you're [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► when you're talking to me as opposed to the rest of your life. You seem really consistent. But I said I think I might. [TS]
01:28:06 ◼ ► Like it's like doing these is not a big deal to me and like I don't go into a mode [TS]
01:28:12 ◼ ► or anything it's it really is just a case of you know you say well let's call it seven thirty and start chatting and [TS]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and we chat before we start recording and they write The only difference is we've pressed a red button [TS]
01:28:24 ◼ ► and then And then there's you know as soon as we stop recording we end up talking for another hour after this about yes [TS]
01:28:31 ◼ ► But secret after show you have here so I don't like I don't know I feel like I am aware of the audience at all times [TS]
01:28:45 ◼ ► and I'm not so lost in much to check with you that I forget that what we're doing has has business [TS]
01:29:03 ◼ ► But I think it's pretty much it's pretty much what I'm like and I am just I am listening to what you say [TS]
01:29:12 ◼ ► or asks I guess as you mentioned before you have prove this because you at a later time think the same thoughts [TS]
01:29:18 ◼ ► or maybe you are the one super consistent human I'm the robot. So human that would be. [TS]
01:29:29 ◼ ► Or something like that as some of the twist to the whole thing would tend I'm a robot [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► and that you've come across a turtle in the desert it's upside down why aren't you turning it over Brady this probe [TS]
01:29:44 ◼ ► Tortoise which I've quite enjoyed at first a few people seem to get a bit riled by on the read I think I was like being [TS]
01:29:51 ◼ ► unfair of me I think people now get kind of my friends and it's a joke but what do you think about people having this. [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Seeing here this is kind of methodical being like heavy heavy kind of enjoyed playing to that. [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► Do you sometimes feel a bit like you know I am from flesh and blood. Do I not bleed sort of thing. [TS]
01:30:16 ◼ ► and I would say that if if there is a fundamental core that runs through my personality at all times it is of a [TS]
01:30:26 ◼ ► relative methodical ness and I can say that from what I have gotten similar comments my entire life [TS]
01:30:36 ◼ ► and as you were saying just moments ago we're always aware of the audience when recording something like this [TS]
01:30:43 ◼ ► and there's always things that you would say and you know in private as opposed to in a public forum [TS]
01:30:47 ◼ ► and there are many times in my life where people have asked that the man you have just come to like the coldest [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► conclusion possible based on these possible facts like that is that's just that's just unbelievably unhuman think well [TS]
01:31:10 ◼ ► Yeah there is a certain kind of methodical ness that I do try to apply to just about everything in life. [TS]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Like everyone else I am susceptible to all kinds of cognitive biases and all of that stuff [TS]
01:31:27 ◼ ► and that that is that is a kind of feedback I've been getting from people in my life for for all of my life [TS]
01:31:34 ◼ ► and I think one place that this comes up where with family sometimes it drives some members of my family a little bit [TS]
01:31:48 ◼ ► If it turns out later that I'm wrong or I just don't agonize about decisions or I don't agonize about past decisions [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► and there was no other decision for me to possibly make given the information that I knew if I knew what I knew now [TS]
01:32:11 ◼ ► but I didn't know that so there's no point in running over this saying you are incapable of regret I would not say that [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► but it's just I don't have a record do you ever regret things I can't think of anything I regret to be honest now. [TS]
01:32:35 ◼ ► Difference taken from do you regret maybe I should say maybe one day you'll regret something [TS]
01:32:43 ◼ ► Regret is a heart a regret presumes that you could have acted differently under the circumstances under which you found [TS]
01:32:52 ◼ ► her. So you're just saying it doesn't exist. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but it is. [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► It implies like an impossibility in some ways with with regret. Could you have possible to regret. [TS]
01:33:08 ◼ ► No people obviously do regret things and it may be just not sensible because you made you made decisions. [TS]
01:33:18 ◼ ► If if a decision is made on the edge you know if you're if you're sort of fifty one percent one way [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► and forty nine percent another way and you pick the wrong one then I can kind of understand regret [TS]
01:33:29 ◼ ► but I would say that I I don't often find myself in those kinds of situations where it's fifty nine forty one for [TS]
01:33:40 ◼ ► and then that makes regret more difficult because all the evidence at the time is pointing in one particular way. [TS]
01:33:49 ◼ ► How would you have acquired such evidence that this is this is my point right if if if if the previous me in a way that [TS]
01:34:01 ◼ ► Yes but but the version of me who makes the Past me who made that decision didn't know that he needed more evidence [TS]
01:34:06 ◼ ► and so could not have pursued such actions and so therefore therefore there was no regret to be had. [TS]
01:34:13 ◼ ► and you're incapable of regret it is the you know I I guess if I haven't yet come across a major decision that was on [TS]
01:34:23 ◼ ► that was very much on the edge in which I decided wrongly I think that circumstance is a circumstance under which I can [TS]
01:34:37 ◼ ► and I would have I would make the same decision again given the same information that I knew them. [TS]
01:34:43 ◼ ► But yes this is all to say that as I have I have been hearing the the robot slash computer comparison from every one of [TS]
01:34:53 ◼ ► So it's no surprise that it comes up when people listen to the podcast hear me just talking about stuff I think. [TS]
01:34:59 ◼ ► I think since almost a third or fourth podcast some people have been saying that I hope there will be more. [TS]
01:35:08 ◼ ► We've never really I don't know if we've done that I guess is something to think about addressing at some point. [TS]
01:35:18 ◼ ► So are we going to decide now or have we decided or are you going to let people know [TS]