00:00:00 ◼ ► We keep turning away because the microphone. So I was trying to have something else in front of me. Although actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► And she's one of the have a spare computer under the tape was accounted for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/7">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► I wish that was original and that's a terrible start for season two. Love. Hello Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/26">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► Season five back from ten and yet we're back for another ten episodes for hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/47">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► This is again is the funny thing for us to be recording because we just put the last episode up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► and I know because of some some scheduling uncertainties the next episode will probably not be up until the very end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► April. So once again just like at the beginning it feels like we have a little secret. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/66">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► People aren't sure people are guessing. Are there going to be more episodes and that we know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► But obviously you dear listener at the moment I'm speaking do not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► but of course now that you're listening you do know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► So welcome back and I hope you so stick with us for another ten episodes of two dudes talking on hello internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/83">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► So I was speculating about why you've decided to go for another ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/92">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► And I've come up with a few possible sort of reasons starting with the least likely options first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/96">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► I thought maybe you just might really enjoy talking to me and you like the sound of my voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/103">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► and you underestimate yourself. Brady I do really like talking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► Well maybe that's maybe that's the whole reason may be so many people have subscribed to the services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/112">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► I have advertised on the pod cast that we just had to do more like it was just ridiculous the number of people going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► audible in square space and using the code the hello internet code and just like they demanded another ten episodes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/126">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► That is that is the best way to show support for the show at this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► and yes I do know from advertisers that they have been happy with the response so far so that certainly helps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/136">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► I thought maybe you had more to say you want to bring the teaching profession down further with more of your so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/142">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► scathing attacks on the education system. Not really you know we were talking about this before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► Like I feel like I don't want to talk about teaching anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► but that you are going to be trying to trick me into some things that I might regret you're going to have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/159">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► But finally I think that the main reason for another ten episodes of them is the sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/165">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and runaway success of a plane crash and X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► You have really latched on to this one my friend I can tell you are super excited about having it little segments at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/175">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► the Beacon I haven't been this excited about something since the word freebooting Turbo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/181">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► So either that link the other day where it's like now in the urban dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and I don't buy I was quoted I was like quoted in quite Max about saying it like I was like a source of information. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/190">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► but you were basically the original source of this use of the word so I thought that was very well done to get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/199">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► urban dictionary like that Urban Dictionary might be the stepping stone to the Oxford English Dictionary And so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► the start that that quotes illustrious travel through the world of respectable citations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/213">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► Wow I mean obviously the word already exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► I mean I've appropriated it for other purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► but if we could make it to that that would be the proudest thing that has ever happened to me other than getting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► the Guinness Book of Records nothing will ever top that but Oxford English Dictionary would be a close second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/233">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► There's a two day the two most important books in the world surely get the correct words in the dictionary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► I couldn't possibly think of anything more important than that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► Now what was the was that the pine things and what's more this periodic table. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/249">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► Oh laws periodic tables which I that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but that's probably a topic for like a whole episode one day because it's just such a good story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► OK OK we'll save that but curious curious listeners can go find that out I'm sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/261">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► Cal's just going to Brady's channel search through several thousand videos and eventually you will find it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► Yeah just watch all of them and you come across I've actually got some follow up. OK follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► Now I know you don't want to talk too much more about teaching but you going to have to. OK so I have to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/278">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► So you may remember in episode nine I mentioned my sister is a sort of a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► and yes quite high up in the teaching world these days she's pretty important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► And she had to listen to Episode nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/294">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► and she has also listen to episode ten now so I wanted to share some of her thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/298">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► OK I would say she wasn't massively happy with everything you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/305">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► And the funny thing was the day I sent it to a she had just come back from Iraq. Stan the world education summit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/311">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► She had just been let over the world's best teachers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/319">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► and all the people who think teaching is really really important so I was I think she was on a real high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► and feeling really good about teaching English are going to be recommending me as a speaker on of their future call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► because the funny thing was if you can say you're a mouse I can't believe I've even used Gray's videos in the classroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/331">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► so she's used to U.K. One a few times in lessons in that but I think I think she might put an end to that now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Anyway she was she was good spirited about it but she did feel pretty passionately and sent me a bit of a rant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/344">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► and she agreed with a few things she disagreed with a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/351">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► and that was one thing she was particularly passionate about and that was when you kind of said that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► It's a sort of scared or it's sort of an unwritten rule that you don't talk about students not being brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► or you know not being particularly capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► and you know beyond you know beyond beyond being able to attain certain levels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/369">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► And she said to choose do you talk about that and it's actually very important that they do talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and it's one of the most important things they do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► This kind of differentiation and and not only using data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► but teachers should always be talking about what they think students are capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/388">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► and what their abilities are so they can ensure that they are not under performing even the ones who aren't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/392">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► You know they need to make sure that people are retaining what they're capable of attaining whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► or not it is academic greatness or just a low level and teaches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/405">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► I'm always talking about the abilities of their students and who's good at what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► Yeah little things here the first is again like we discussed in the previous episode it's hard you can't go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/416">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► and edit what you were saying. I sort of tried to make it clear there but maybe it didn't come across. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► When teachers talk amongst themselves obviously they talk about you know boy that kid is not the sharpest knife in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/432">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► drawer you know that that is that is standard kind of teacher talk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► What I was what I was trying to get at a little bit is that sometimes pressure from the not the teacher level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/445">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► but the management level of refusing to acknowledge the shall we say the limits of some children from the managerial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/453">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► level and that that that's kind of the pressure that I was referring to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/461">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► I mean my sister is at that management level there but she she felt strongly she people differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► But yes she wasn't a manager at the school year etc Another thing I put up with was. Or you P.G. P.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/474">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► CA that the conversion P G C That was it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► I mentioned that and she and I you know your experience of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► and how kind of you know the the bright eyed bushy tailed contenders for often the ones who fell away with all the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/491">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► bitten cynics like you with the ones he went on to actually become teachers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/498">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► and show you one of the things she's she said a really important part of that course is where you are placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/503">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and a lot of those brighter people are thrown into some real Lion's Den particularly London scolds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/510">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► or given shoddy mentors and that that is probably the most important thing she said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► When when people are coming up through the ranks to become a teacher what they're exposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► and who they are given at that important time very important. I that one hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► I did say a little bit to people but I have to say when I was at the P.T.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► Course there were two mentors in particular that I had one of the university [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► and then one who was at the first school that I taught at and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► I think it is very very unlikely that I might have made it through that course without their support. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/549">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► So you have those those people mattered quite a lot the mentors that I was with so I know I'm not going to argue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► I'm not going to argue that at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/561">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► And obviously I don't know the school that every everybody else went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► but I was at schools with some of some of the other students who were on that university course with me as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/567">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► But yeah especially once you get to a school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► and you're teaching for the first time in the person that you're with then is is incredibly important because yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/576">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► first few lessons can be quite crushing. I remember my first chemistry lesson was just incredibly devastating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/584">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► And my mentor just handled it perfectly by just treating it as that's the way it always is right the first time it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/593">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Always a disaster and let's talk about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/600">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► and you know that's the perfect kind of attitude to take the I owe a lot to my first two mentors in my P.T.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/603">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Another thing we didn't discuss and my sister reminded me of a couple of funny stories from our family. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/610">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► One in particular I'll share because I really enjoy it and that's the issue of motivation for students. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/615">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► My sister my sister my mother I should say was a very good student. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/620">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► My Her sister my auntie was a not a very good student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► and was always bottom of the class that she was obsessed with horses that she would run around the school yard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► And once you put a blanket over the front fence of the house and to sit on the blanket potential was riding a horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/638">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and all at what for the sake of the story I was say nineteen because I'll be funny but I'm sure he was a little bit OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► Anyway my she really wanted a horse you know what to do go doesn't want a horse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► There was no chance she was going to get one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/655">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► My their father My grandpa said to her when you if you come top of the class I'll buy you a horse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► Confidence in the knowledge there was no chance she would ever come to I think you know what happened next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/664">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► The only reason you know in this story is because of what probably happened with a head down she worked like a Trojan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/671">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► and came top of the class and my completely flabbergasted grandfather had to buy her a horse next year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/676">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► Bottom of the class again and for going to class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► It's what would have been great motivation is I've bought you the horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► but to keep the horse from the glue factory you need to stay at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/695">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► and I bet she will see this is also a bill really is in the contract here because we didn't expect that there was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► to ever happen but I bet maybe if the glue factory was on the horizon she would have still been tough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/706">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► Let me read what my sister at the end came out just so we've got something on the record in our podcast she said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/712">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Well of years in tough areas in the U.K. South London and I loved it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► I love inspiring students to achieve more than others think they can Bay As a side note you know she pointed out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/723">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► of them have just become you know pizza delivery people or something but that's more than what was expected of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► A lot of them of become the first in their family to go on to further education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/736">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► I'm very lucky to get up in the morning and I love my job and I know we different every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► Whatever people say about teachers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/744">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► Nothing Bates all those Facebook messages and notes I get all the time from ex-students saying thank you very much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/746">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► He believed in me and you changed my life. So there we go. Now we've got a few links here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/752">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► One of them was an article that I think I said you are saying on the B.B.C. News website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/759">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► We read about the hours that teachers work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► Yes yes yes and yes he sent that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► and I was just looking it over before the show I was flabbergasted by this I can't believe that those numbers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/771">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► OK So do you have the other listeners what it was like about every head take his which I guess is the top of the hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/779">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► and the boss on a sixty three point three I was awake at the end for our American listeners that's basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► equipment of the principal of the high school is what they're talking about a second primary classroom teachers fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/791">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► nine point three hours secondary school teachers in the classroom fifty five point seven hours per week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/798">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► They said long hours. Is this true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/806">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► Well yes before we before we started you were doubting the veracity of these numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/809">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► and can you why do you why do you doubt these numbers. Well because they're very long hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► I lived with my mom so it's not like I have not been exposed to working schoolteachers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/822">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► and yet she could work at home you know and sometimes she had to work not marking things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/828">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► and I don't know it just seems like a lot of that was because you know I was a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/833">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► Before I was awake to have to have to add another twenty hours means you're having to do another four hours every not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/840">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► every day the way I'm not on I'm not going to I don't want to make the teachers angry at me you want to make them angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/848">TS</a>]
00:14:15 ◼ ► at me. You want me to say the things that I know you might agree with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/855">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► Off air on air no faces numbers of come from a survey that's been run by the Department for Education. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► Yeah you know this is this is where it's come from I'm sure we'll put a link in the show I know it's you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► retain. How many hours a week were you working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► This is the key question here is partly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/877">TS</a>]
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00:14:53 ◼ ► was probably working more than sixty hours a week as a teacher my first year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/893">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► but that's because teaching is a is a job that comes with a lot of overhead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► and infrastructure that needs to be set up so you're going through the lessons for the first time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/904">TS</a>]
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00:15:27 ◼ ► teaching at some point it was just terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► and I had a little I had a little friend at my first school who was also in her first year as a teacher I forget what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/929">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► the proper term is it's you Newt and cutie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/937">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► So you're a newly qualified teacher but you have this probationary year and so we were in cuties together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/941">TS</a>]
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00:15:53 ◼ ► as I was. We would sometimes talk about the horrors of you spend all day at school and you spend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/953">TS</a>]
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00:16:15 ◼ ► and so I would end up dreaming about teaching and then wake up in the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► and have this awful feeling like I felt like I just worked for eight hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► But I haven't and now I need to get up and go and do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► and it was it was it was it's a very trying time for newly qualified teachers is that that first year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/988">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► So yeah if I was designing a survey where I want to make sure I get those numbers as high as possible I would try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/996">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► survey teachers who were as new as possible because that that dropoff is very quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► It's front loaded it's it's very front loaded and then in subsequent years you start recycling worksheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► and unison plans and so in subsequent years you start is like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► and I mean this is rounded off here at let's say fifty five sixty hours I would say that this number was more accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► for my second year as a teacher you know sort of drop dropping it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► and then again I'm trying to trying to live censor my thoughts here but but then if I only Here's Hughes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► After your second year everything is not brand new. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► There's two paths maybe the teachers start to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► and this is not necessarily a teacher specific problem I think this is a kind of knowledge economy problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► Many people even you know yourself and myself have jobs where it's hard to pinpoint when something is done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► What like what does finished actually look like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► And so for your videos you can always make the editing a little bit tighter or for my videos I can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1073">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► We've researched them a little bit more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► And teaching is a job that has an endless amount of boundaries that are like this you can always mark a paper a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► bit more thoroughly you can always spend a little bit more time preparing the next lesson. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► You do have a deadline and I eat like you have to eventually give the lesson time in the same room in a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► but I think there's too many decisions with a lot of the kind of work for a teacher that can that can stretch you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► and this is this is where there are super dedicated teachers who both market papers incredibly thoroughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► or I think for example the thing that I hated the most as a teacher was I was writing up profiles of students for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1123">TS</a>]
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00:18:59 ◼ ► and you know from my perspective as a physics teacher it's sort of like the only thing I care about is the number on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► the test. All of the rest of it is sort of irrelevant and in a physics class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► But so those profiles for example are something that you can spend an enormous amount of time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1147">TS</a>]
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00:19:32 ◼ ► and if you do this is a man I wish I could edit the next sentence and I'm going to say well destroyed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► If people hear a big blanket I mean that's a how to put this if you think that you are genuinely make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1186">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► Being a difference in students' lives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► It is not an unreasonable calculation to spend an enormous amount of time trying to make everything that relates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► I get that it's a rational decision to improve things to spend an extra hour making something five percent better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1216">TS</a>]
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00:20:45 ◼ ► and so that's why I don't necessarily doubt these these numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► Well I mean I always if you ever ask someone How many hours a week they work I think you should always subtract five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► and the lake is for you know people inflating their own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► Yeah yeah that's that's true people if it's a self survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and you're overestimating then you know just just by natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► but I don't I don't these numbers don't strike me as as wildly potentially off you know I don't know they don't strike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► me as just totally crazy because because I think as as we can kind of see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Well Yet the question is what kinds of people are teachers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► Do they do teachers think they're making differences in students' lives I would say you know if you ask teachers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1287">TS</a>]
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00:21:42 ◼ ► I mean I wasn't I wasn't questioning that kind of motivation from there I was just more amazed by the number of hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► but then again you know when I was a boy playing cricket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► and computer games all day I was probably blissfully ignorant to the ten hours a night my mum spent slaving over tests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1311">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► I've apologized to her and all the other teachers because it sounds like they are working as a house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1320">TS</a>]
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00:23:40 ◼ ► Oh I was a teacher once and here's my anecdotal thoughts there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► My mum my mum was a teacher when I was a little boy so let me preach to you know that what it's like to be a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► but my anecdotal experience counts for nothing in the world of science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1430">TS</a>]
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00:26:56 ◼ ► the last episode which was just says as a some it's a summary of my position from last time it says the more you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► to be a teacher the more you won't want to be a teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► Which I thought was a very funny way of summarizing some of the points I was making last time. So thanks to him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► What was this in the read hunt and peck. Someone asked if you were a hunt and peck typist. Is that the case Brady. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► I'm guessing that they thought so based on that little moment where we can hear you typing so I thought I was casting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► aspersions on me that I would just be that type of person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► But they were basing it on evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► and I saw that question I think you know it did seem to take him a long time to type whatever he was typing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► Are you a hunt and peck typist. What do you think. Like from what you know of me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1663">TS</a>]
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00:28:00 ◼ ► It but I feel a strong moment of doubt here that you are not a touch typist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1680">TS</a>]
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00:28:12 ◼ ► So my my emotions are thinking maybe you're not a touch typist but my logical guess would be that you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► So which half of me is wrong here. Gray You should always trust your feelings and emotions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► Oh is that the lesson I'm learning today. Go with your head I am a hunt and peck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► I cannot believe that I can believe I trust your feelings they do you just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1716">TS</a>]
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00:28:54 ◼ ► But now every time we instant message back and forth we're going to have to feel sorry for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Always they're trying to find you know the letter S. On the keyboard I don't know where it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► One eye with the SES it's up to the I think the general area and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► and then once my hands moving in that general direction you know light travels very fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► But but so you're looking at the keyboard while you're typing. Yes that's sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► What are you doing about reading a book or something. I'm looking at the screen while I'm typing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► Oh I know what's on the screen because of the buttons on the table and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► when you say it like that it's hard to argue with. They think there's something new about you today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Yeah you just think that little bit less is gradually eroding of I'm definitely a rating because they wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► noticed that I am slightly disappointed I must admit I thinking of picking and and clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► and things like that I just wanted to quickly clarify clarify I just wanted to round off a point I started making in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► Brady's paper cuts in the last effort. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Which was a bit mask leaking that I was hearing on radio show is the reason I wanted to bring it up this partly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► this is become a problem with the advent of digital radio which is something I didn't get across I do most of my radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► listening in the car and I've always had a pretty crummy analog radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► and I've only got a digital radio in my car for the first time recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► and that is what has opened up this world of distracting noises and mass cooking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► So it's not always great it's not all positive it's not always good to hear everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► and you know it's the same with H.D.T.V. Like everyone so H.D.T.V. Is wonderful but there are a whole bunch of T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► Shows and problems and things that have come along as a result of that like I know the fake blood they're using in T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► Shows had to be sort of completely changed because all of a sudden blood didn't really warn H.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► T.V.'s and a whole bunch of sets for T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► Shows had to be rebuilt because Little joins and seams and things that used to get away with on children's T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Shows were suddenly these glaring problems. Sometimes less is more. And I don't get it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► Well if you like if you like analog radio so much you can choose to listen to analog radio can't you get rid of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► fancy digital radio player because people start taking their cars to let audio shop saying can he get this like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► expensive X. and Radio and chuck it. Is there not a fuss I have no I don't nothing about cars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► Well of course I'm not going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and you do need to go out Why are you not going do that because the digital one is better because the voice because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► hear the voice more clearly. So it is better. There are pluses and minuses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► OK OK now I'm not going to get away with this right this distress because people always go oh there's pluses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► and minuses. Yes but I almost never do the pluses and minuses in any situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► Balance perfectly given doesn't mean I can winge about the minuses I know that you will enjoy about the minuses but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► when you say. They always not always better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► What you really mean is there's still some negative aspect that I don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► but what's interesting is that it's a new negative aspect. Isn't that interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► It's like it's not there it's not like they didn't quite make it better by enough. It's a whole new problem came along. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► I find that fascinating and we're doing a show here and weather and so I should have something to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► but I feel like my brain just has no response to this. This line of reasoning from you it's just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Well that's because I'm completely correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► I mean if you disagree you would certainly say something you know of course a new tech is going to be new problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► new technology the only way. Yes but your new problems are always better than your old problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► It's a handling that's interesting it's like oh that's a that's a broad statement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► Well I'm going to say it with regards to technology that is generally true all technological advances are positive is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► what you're saying. I would say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► Now this is a debating problem with you you only need to find one counter example here. Like a nuclear bomb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► Well I know you could argue for a nuclear bomb. Yeah it is. Here's the way you look at it is that the the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► It's that you have to look at the sum value of the progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► and so I think at any particular stage a certain amount of progress have negative features but in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► when you're summing up of the pluses and minuses the pluses just clearly went out all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► That's that's that's what I would say. So the world is a better place. Yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► It's like wow a camera saw I saw some info graphic on. Got it a little while ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► I think it was from the Gates Foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► and it was a graphic showing how people die around the world just just globally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► and the interesting thing was to see in the first world kind of areas you're talking about death from cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and the discussion in the comments about the second hole why you know Why is cancer killing so many people in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► and the answer like Why is cancer killed so many people is because malaria doesn't kill so many people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► I guess as you solve certain kinds of problems you're going to have new problems that that like that is just the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► but I still say on balance your new problems are problems you would much rather have than your old problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► So you think if you could if there was some way to measure like the happiness of people or of society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► and you applied that now it would come out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► It would constantly be rising like someone in the eighteen hundreds of the mid nineteen hundreds is less happy now see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► this is where I might be the topic and how long we talk about this this this of this on the drives me crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► Happiness is so tricky and I'm always just kind of appalled by people who think backwards in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► and imagine how great it was back then you know with their out houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► and their cholera because there was a simpler life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► Yeah but I get annoyed by people like you who say because I'm going outside to go to the toilet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and didn't have an i Pad They're not capable of being as happy as I am now is that what I'm saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► I think humans have a natural bias to think that they used to be happier than they actually were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► and then this is also just within a single human lifetime. Well I think there's a bias the other way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► You're right and that's why we have terms like the good old days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► Yeah but there's also a real bias to think because we live longer and because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Yes we have mobile phones where like somehow superior or better than people who are only in black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► and white photos in a day. Well I mean being alive is superior to being dead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► I think that's a sort of hard to argue and have less points less of the minuses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► Yeah I guess it does hurt me with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► but now I think we've got to fix it you can see it's like your line of reasoning sometimes physically hurts me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► and I know you sometimes you do it just you know what I tell myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► but people just people just tend to think that they used to be happier than they currently are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► I have again this is this is where running a pocket like this we weren't intending on talking about this I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► possibly research all these things but I have looked at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► and in the past some interesting research about happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and it seems like this is a hot topic in psychology now I don't know if that's if that's actually the case but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► There are just some very interesting experiments that show how people's self assessment of their current happiness can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► be just weirdly off from how they report their actual level of happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► and the way I've seen these things are usually with with the people crisping the study will be text messaged randomly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► and they'll have to rate on a scale from one to five how happy they actually feel at that particular moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► and you compare that with with self reported descriptions of their happiness leader about that actual time you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► that there's there's like a big difference between the reported happiness and then the measured happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► and that the biggest difference I saw on this one issue can make people dislike me a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Talking about new parents two parents of of of newbie. Yes and that as opposed to parents of a baby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► I guess I guess I mean it is time parents is what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and that you had your first kid that the reported happiness later just does not match at all the data at the time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► you know if you randomly ask in the first year of new parents how happy they are you always get a like oh God I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► tired and my whole life it just seems like it's falling apart everything is miserable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► but six months later if you ask someone oh how happy were you are you know it was a magical time in there ARE YOU can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► you get all these new experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and everybody does this a lot with all kinds of things I think this is also why people remember you know past periods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► in their life. As happier than they currently are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► And an interesting thing as well is that people level of happiness doesn't really change very much over the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► and so their self description is is weirdly out of whack with what we sort of know about people's levels of happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► is that they don't change all that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► but people have a real perception that there are there are variables so I think his history on this whole scales kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► of follows the same way that people imagine how amazingly happy people were in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► and the answer is like people in the past probably actually weren't that differently happy from people now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► but they had just worse problems to deal with than if I were dying of cholera whereas I'm complaining about mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► or any of the audio fidelity on my digital radio was too high you know that it's just terrible action what's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► and meanwhile you know two hundred years ago you have people needing to give birth to Chen children so that two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► but you know the actual random happiness of of individuals might not have been wildly different I don't know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► if there's any or if you can even be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► We kind of guesstimating about people's happiness in the past I don't I don't know if you could try to do an analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► of letters or literature or anything like that but anyway I'm always I'm with the technology. Give me more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► Faster sooner. Because you're right it was fear what. There you go that's the end of follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► When did something you would have hated my US because we spent two solid days going through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► and take shots which is not one of my favorite things in the world today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Just like just looking at old stuff and little knick knacks and treasures and old furniture and out maps and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► I love all that stuff and I know you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► and misunderstand under certain circumstances I could find that sort of activity enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► but the question is where you going into the shops looking to purchase items to bring back to the Muslim of your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► Yes I was shocked they were at museums or antique shops I mean there is a lot of just looking and isn't that wonderful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► Thanks for coming down and you don't actually have to buy a few things I have been in shops many a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► and not bought a few things. It's remarkably easy to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► Well you have when you have led a discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and if I say something lovely I'm like that would be lovely just to have this intent have near me just to have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► Hell how many square feet is your house if you if you want to say that the main thing stopping me is the fact I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► and I just feel like this is a thing that some people say requested a number what would it have meant they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► but I felt like maybe the maybe the listeners could have some estimate of how much stuff could possibly fit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► House that the that is that big I don't know probably fit. A lot of stuff in my house at the moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► Yeah well you have fit a lot of stuff in your house at the moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► You sent me that picture and I could see all the foot the antlers on her wall and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and again I what I want to once again just be super clear I have no problem with someone having an image in their home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► because your home should be a place that you like and I want you to have a place that you like crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► It's hard to like that when you're like making little jokes about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► No You know if you ever get a tell you all will be forgiven if you ever actually agreed to come over for the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and hang out I told you actually well it's just a question of getting up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► but we've already said we're going to go to the tick together and yes throw stuff out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► and apparently you have plans to make a video for our exciting day to the tip. No I have no Someone suggested it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► OK OK I'm happy to make a video I think it would be nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► Maybe we could do a podcast from the tip for people of love that people up to they're going to be found. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► But OK But I guess I just want to be clear I do not I do not judge other people design aesthetic that just if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► asking me questions so you can do the whole the whole thing with a picture where you put circles around all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► that you thought were rubbish in the house because no but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► but the context of that was Boy look at this beautiful house that they ruined with all of these things I can say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► don't judge but you say they ruin to their house but but the presumption is like it's ruined for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► Right I guess if I were to live here all of those circles are the things that I would just get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► but I I feel like I have like I'm a very easygoing live and let live kind of guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► and that thing makes you happy if it's decorating your house with stuff from all of your chips who's going to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► with that if you're happy if you're you're happy it's your house that's also like that that's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I can and I'll visit your house and I Tell me about your stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► What's the story behind these antlers you know what's the deal with these little statues on the on the fireplace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► That's all great. It is a different question of if I were to buy your house and you left all that stuff there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► How much of it would I keep I don't think it's not criticizing to couch it in the terms you just couched in I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► think is criticizing. No it's people have people have a different people have difference of opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► And plus I don't go into people's homes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► and start pointing at all the things going like mad to get rid of all the stuff right this is only come up on the five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► cats because I think you asked about it or I don't I don't even remember how it came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► but I this is a topic of discussion here but I don't go into someone's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► and start down voting all of their personal possessions. That's not the way it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► What would you come to an antique shop. Do you ever go into men take shops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I like them little museums you can treat them like little museums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► but I mean I've done a couple of road trips across America and I mean it's always just just quirky weird local shops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► or you know and stuff like that I have no problem going and visiting that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► and taking a look around I think it's super interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► but I'm just I'm the guy in the store with no intention to actually purchase anything have you ever bought something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► crazy like some weird object even if you regret it afterwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► And any more context for this I quit What do you mean like Have you ever bought what you would describe as a knick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► knack or a novelty item or an old you know I mean I guess I was a you know I was a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► and did stuff like that you know we have stuff that just totally worthless you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► but you're also a kid like you don't know anything as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► but I think in my in my adult life I try to look around the room that I'm in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► Have you ever bought something is and I doubt that to borrow a term from last time you regretted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► Have you ever made a bad purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Now whenever I can I can feel like there's any any regret that I've had over purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► Really you've never been to the purchase is going to quickly factor to our definition of grand like the data are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► available at the time and yet so it's like I have bought stuff that doesn't work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► but I don't own filled with regret and sit down and feel all sad about it well that didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► and now I'm going to get rid of this thing because it doesn't work. Yeah. When looking around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► It's because like this bothers you and I think you always know more than you are bothered by my hunting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and pecking typing that's just a surprise mixed with disappointment I guess I just feel like maybe I'm missing out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► some of the texture of life. I am very happy with my life pretty well as long as you know happiness good for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2802">TS</a>]
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00:46:54 ◼ ► I'm a very happy guy you're a very happy guy I presume we're both very happy guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► If for some crazy reason we were renting a house together we would then have to have some disagreement over how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► house a protector a man actually whether that be really that you couldn't you can decorate your room the way you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and all the common areas are decorated the way I want I think that was that that would settle it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► You sound you sound like a wife. Are you ready for Freddie's Papercuts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2835">TS</a>]
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00:47:28 ◼ ► Our expanding papercut that they will follow up now it's going to be a breakaway five you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2848">TS</a>]
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00:47:52 ◼ ► or gimmicks that people have to know that you've done this they then contact you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► and confront you about why you once followed them. Really. Have you had this happen to you. Yes How do you do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► I complained about on the program if you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2888">TS</a>]
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00:48:27 ◼ ► and I mean one of the ones I've been followed recently was simply a case of just management I was unfollowing them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► one account but I still follow them from a different account and I just didn't want them clogging multiple strains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► but you know sometimes you can follow someone because they're a bit too a bit too active and they're crowding out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► Try to get your Twitter stream and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► but anyway I think I don't think one should be confronted about this is the Twitter versus Facebook topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► and I the reason I love Twitter is because it is not Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► It doesn't come with any of the or at least I don't think it should but apparently some people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► and doesn't come with the kind of social obligations that Facebook does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2944">TS</a>]
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00:49:26 ◼ ► but it's not it's not a list of your friends on Twitter. That's that's one of the reasons why I really like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► So I pick up be at be pretty baffled if I unfiled someone and they got mad about it a bit like I'm mad if you unfairly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► but here's one of the also the great things about Twitter is that for those kinds of relationships I could just mute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► you on Twitter as well if I want to make it look like I was following you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► and then not actually hypothetically hypothetically I could. So I would not be upset if you unfollowed me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► I know I know it would be personal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3003">TS</a>]
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00:50:19 ◼ ► and there's no way I would make Twitter just a list of of my friends that is ruined the whole the whole use of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► that's not that's not what it's for so if I get a perfect refuge notice whatever unfollowed someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► and start talking to me about it it's not Facebook you know go go cry about this on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► but not here this is not this is not what this thing is for a plane crash that you're on a plane crash going I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► deliberately have to post this so it's easy if you do you honestly have to talk about plane crash live. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3046">TS</a>]
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00:51:11 ◼ ► I do you know what the worst plane crash ever was I have no idea now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3071">TS</a>]
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00:51:21 ◼ ► and I wouldn't have the slightest idea I just assume this is like one everybody knows I don't think I could name a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► single plane crash in an identifying way you know where people say oh flight a one six five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► and I can't do that for a single plane crash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► Well if you say the word tenor reef to any plane crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and just began talking about straight away I have never heard of this. Well this was the worst plane crash ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► Might as well you might as well I mean you can cap this just send me the audience by personal pleasure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Listening pleasure Blekko plane crashes it's a terrible thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► And five hundred eighty three people died which is the most in a single plane crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► but it was two it was two seven four seven to hit each other on the runway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and you'd actually quite like it because it was one of these perfect storms of things going wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► but it was a lot of it was also to do with psychology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► and human interaction because basically this guy flying a plane at the end of a at the end of the runway was quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► He misheard some communication and he thought he was clear to take off and he was impatient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► and wanted to take off because he wanted to get home. Is light and his second officer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► He's in theory it was probably the first officer actually but his his inferior knew he was doing the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► but was too shy almost. He was he didn't he didn't say he was right. You know he didn't speak up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3172">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► Anyway you can guess the rest the plane went down the runway through the mist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► and there was another Pan Am plane crossing the runway at the time and the plane took off and the two collided. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► All this devastation happened not only is interesting because it's the worst plane crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► but it's interesting because of some of the factors especially the human factor side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► and this was the crash that really really started getting people interested in human factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► and the psychology of the cockpit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► If it's a huge disaster almost always a human cost there are lots of factors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► but if you're going to put the blame on one human you'd put it on the pilot of this Carol implying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► and the thing that was interesting was that he was like the chief flight instructor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► and like the top dog parlor of the how airline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► and had recently been in like in their advertising campaign as a face of the airline and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► when the crash happened the first thing all the airline executives said was you know we've got to get Jacob on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► phone and he's going to head the investigation. What I realized that he was the pilot that had caused the crash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► So anyway interest interest interesting one plane crash going to look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► and like I always say every plane crash has lots of interesting little stories and bits of trivia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► and one of my favorites is this particular plane the Pan Am plane that kind of was the sitting duck that got hit by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► can down the runway was also the first ever seven four seven to fly a commercial flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► and it was the first of a seven for seven to be hijacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► and then was the one of the participants in the worst air disaster still that has ever happened to the airplane. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► That's a curious claim. Thank There we go you can just semi that already if it doesn't make the final cut. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► If the worst plane crash disaster ever doesn't make it nothing from this point on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/3289">TS</a>]
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01:14:17 ◼ ► And so since that isn't the case you have to know that that a lot of the stuff that's in on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► News or that is in the newspaper is not necessarily there because it's important it's there to fill space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4465">TS</a>]
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01:14:41 ◼ ► He writes and some very good essays He's a venture capitalist out of California but he used to do some other things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► And he he talked about how I think it was he worked in a newsroom at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and was discussing the number of press releases that come in from companies that then just get immediately re written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4493">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► as stories and I'll see if I can if I can find a link to his specific article. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► Yeah but he was talking about the kind of kind of news article where once you tune into it you can't unsee it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4507">TS</a>]
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01:15:39 ◼ ► and how soon do you think of that as a kind of article in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► and he discusses how these kinds of things are coming in to wherever he worked as a newspaper just an enormous amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4547">TS</a>]
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01:16:45 ◼ ► But you can it's not hard to like scale this up to governmental levels of like you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► What particular stories do particular interest one run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► but is that something that you came across much in your work like the press release issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4615">TS</a>]
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01:17:05 ◼ ► and piles of press releases coming in all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4625">TS</a>]
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01:18:07 ◼ ► have deadlines to meet that their job depends on it and it isn't like that. That why the press releases work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► They're feeding into this system as well and the newspaper wants a certain amount of material. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4693">TS</a>]
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01:19:21 ◼ ► Yeah yeah yeah that's just that's just part of the problem and one of the things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► When I hear people defending the news as an industry going to talk about you know in informing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► but I don't know I don't know how to. Let me put it this way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► Just like once you know about the existence of press releases you can see this kind of thing more easily in newspapers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► that you might read or or T.V. Shows or T.V. News that you watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► I think there's a there's a similar kind of thing which again I assume that this comes from the. Time pressure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► I mean I don't I don't think it's necessarily laziness on the part of the reporters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► But and I know this is particularly when I go back to America and I watch American T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► News which has got to be just some of the most appalling news in the whole world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► Everything is presented as what is happening right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4815">TS</a>]
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01:20:32 ◼ ► and I think OK I understand this is what's happening in politics at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► or this is a particular problem you know elsewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► but nobody can understand this problem in a meaningful way unless we are through stand how did we get here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► Like there's something happened before this problem that was the setup to this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► And I'm always really aware on particularly American T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► News there's just no history there's there's never any context. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► I mean you've got to have a this is where you have a problem of knowledge like like how much background can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► possibly put in and then for someone who's just coming into the story for the first time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4871">TS</a>]
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01:21:37 ◼ ► but I would say that the majority of stuff that I see is presented in a in a totally context less void of we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► to talk about this this problem this event that is happening but there is no future and there is no past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► and we're just talking about the thing that is happening right now and I think that kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4914">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► If thing leads to a falsely informed citizenry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► Oh you're you're aware of stuff that is sort of going on right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► but you don't have any kind of framework to understand it in a in a meaningful way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► This goes back to to my system's way of thinking is like so many of the things that are being discussed in the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► They are attention grabbing or like they make you really angry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► but they're just the bottom layer of something where the next layer up is the thing that really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and so you know some someday will do an episode where we talk about politics in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► but I think this is a great example of voting I should say in particular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► As an example in America you will hear all of these these events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► and the stories about say corruption with particular politicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► or a huge divide in the Congress over a particular bill or whatever it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► And a lot of those things seem to come down the way the news presents them as stories about particular people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► But there are there are systemic answers as to why they say is Congress more divided now than it has ever been before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► There is a totally reasonable answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► One level up to that question there are structural changes that have happened to the voting system that have made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► different. But that level never gets talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5011">TS</a>]
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01:23:38 ◼ ► yelling about some other thing and there's no history about how did those guys get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► You know or why why does the system now encourage much more partisanship than it ever did before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► So I just think that if the the news is informing you of these particular of events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► but it's it's almost like like it's like junk food. It feels like oh I'm being informed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► I know what's going on right now. But but it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► It's not a harder level of communication but a more valuable level of communication. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► You can't it's very hard to give people the amount of information you want to give them I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► OK you make five minute videos that have lots of information in them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5053">TS</a>]
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01:24:30 ◼ ► They have a lot of information in them spoken very quickly that you could never give to just you could never put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5070">TS</a>]
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01:24:55 ◼ ► the information and then you're left with a choice. Do people want to watch Billy punch Fred in the face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► Which is which is interesting to look at. What do they want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Twenty minutes about all the history of Billy and Freddy you know since they were born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5108">TS</a>]
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01:25:15 ◼ ► and you know of course if I said to you I've got I've got two videos here one's eight seconds of someone punching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► someone in the face. Them One is a twenty minute spoken word piece about why people don't get along with my punch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► I think even you would watch the punch in the face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► Well yeah I think your longer video should have the punch at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► but I guess that the conflict for makeup here comes from. I totally agree but I would not disagree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5135">TS</a>]
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01:25:55 ◼ ► in society. Right and what we think of it versus what is it actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► He doing this how this how the fourth estate holding politicians to account stuff I was spouting I didn't want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► it better because of that. Let's get into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► but I I it's like I wouldn't mind the news so much if we could be more straightforward about what it is it's much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► like event entertainment or informational entertainment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► but this whole like oh the news all of the government of you count and we you know we inform the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and I have just I just don't think that's what it's actually doing that's what it claims it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► but that that is not really the case of one of them not even that they don't want to like I'm the first to tell us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► there wouldn't necessarily be a market for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► So I acknowledge that I understand the market demand for that again that's another kind of system right that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► newspapers are in trouble as it is and so they need to be able to raise money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► and to do that you need to have the attention of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► And so you're going to write shorter stories are not going to context. I'm fine with all of that product of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► Two or three hours about voting that when you make your You Tube videos they're like five minutes long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and have interesting visuals and lot stuff gets left out because you think people won't watch a long video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► but I am not claiming to be holding society to account. Yeah that that is the thing that just really really gets me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► It's like letting you think that pompous and self-important I both think that they're pompous and self-important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► and I also think that normal people give the news too much credit that the normal people know it was a terrible word to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► use but if you just if you're just not paying attention it's easy to over assume you know what the news is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► and you know for you know it everybody talks back to you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► The Nixon tapes and a new Woodward and Bernstein as example always comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► and it's like hey guys hey guys that was like forty years ago now can we you know I love that one off no it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► forty years ago. That's quite recent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► Yeah so the stern stuff is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► but in the modern world I think it's really interesting that someone like someone like Snowden exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► and he has you know so many more options about how to actually disseminate that information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► and so we do live in a different kind of world where informants can get out their information more easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► and he went to several newspapers if I remember I don't remember because I wasn't following that super closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► but I think you would have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► or four newspapers he released it with I don't remember the details of her involve the papers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► but I mean he went to multiple multiple newspapers we have to do that because of you know us different markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► but yeah yeah yeah yeah and so I think it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► I don't want to speculate too much on his internal motivations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► but my guess is that he he may have done something like that because he wanted to to make sure that other other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► may have have taken it seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► and so you want to be in a newspaper because people assume that newspapers are where the serious stuff happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► He took advantage of this situation in which he thinks is folks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► Yes but I would think that he if that was his goal that was a good goal. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► It it's going to come off as more respectable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► He's going through and he meant what they were but let's just say like the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► and then if he has Snowden dot com slash blog slash secrets it just is just not going to have the same kind of impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► but I just I think that that's the kind of it's like a shared delusion almost like everyone believes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► but I don't I don't think that's necessarily the case and one of the things that I'm interested in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► His just in the in the past couple weeks there been a few reporters who have launched their own smaller scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► Yeah and the one that I'm most interested in that I haven't I haven't had too much time to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► but I'm going to be curious to see where it goes. Is do you know Nate Silver of five thirty eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► I know vaguely he was a former baseball statistician I believe who then moved into politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and basically applied statistical science to political elections. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► And surprise surprise the introduction of science into a field makes that much more accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► and I think that the super interesting thing about him is that I followed a lot of his reporting in that previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► This is always where I get my news because I try to find individuals that I think are very trustworthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► and I think he is he's one of those kinds of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► and his News reporting on the elections was just so different than anything you would find in the major newspapers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► and it's like this is a guy who is concerned about accuracy about actually getting it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and it was interesting to see how someone could still report on the elections but from a very different perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► and and still be accurate and still be interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► And so what I'm curious is now that that's the Internet is just so established you have people like Nate Silver who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► have worked with in the news industry but who are also young enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► and not entrenched enough to possibly want to spin off their own news organizations to some extent that actually to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► holds a lot of promise for the future of news. I can I can really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► I imagine a future where there are smaller scale operations that are run by people who are maybe less directly attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► to the current system as it exists and can produce much more interesting and still accurate stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► and not have to have a you know we're going to publish fifty articles every day. OK people let's go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► We're going to have a much smaller volume but we're going to produce higher quality content. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► So I'm kind of hopeful about that stuff. I'll be curious to see in a couple years where that is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► What about all the people in the world who are not so much like you with very specific interests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► and a desire for great data to want to know lots of things what about the person who wants to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► There was a plane crash in Malaysia. Manchester United sacked manager David Cameron did this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► This celebrity has just brought out this movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► This is someone who wants to know lots of little things they can not everyone can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► or like nineteen page makes over analysis of like I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► You know there are there are a lot of people who are not you that just one like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► and they want someone to queue right things for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► To summarize for them how in a graceful way and I mean that's what that's the definition of a newspaper almost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► Well that's to me the most is almost a different kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► Again I have no problem with this kind of like stock ticker news almost you do you just want to like a little one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► sentence about what you know what. Thing has gone on in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► I can totally understand that it's just it's like the mid length news that I often have have problems with stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► just is both inaccurate and misrepresentative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► I don't know I guess again this is just a particular frustration of mine because of how many times people send me stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5633">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► There could be a really interesting video in this newspaper article and so I go off and I research it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► and it's like oh it turns out that this is just wildly inaccurate and misrepresentative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► That's the kind of stuff that I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► and I just see it so often that it makes me kind of disregard all of the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► but again I have no problem with people just wanting to be aware of sort of of what's going on in the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► but I don't think that those little overviews are not enough for newspapers to survive on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► They need to have more stuff for people to actually read and to go to. Maybe that's why they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► and I mean the great thing about the Internet is if you are super into something there's going to be a place that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► all the in-depth news you could ever want about your super narrow topic you know whatever whatever it is like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► kinds of sites exist and more general stuff. So it's harder for them to exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► But your blog posts which I'm sure you put in the show nice was excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► but the last one of the one of my favorite blogs you've written so make sure you put that in the shadows where you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► News report this is actually one the rare things that I wrote I wrote this basically in an afternoon because I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► But this is a good example as well as some of the things that frustrate me with with the news is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► This example happened to be about a particular thing that was happening at the last the last debt ceiling in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► and there was there was talk on the news for a while about is the mint going to make this trillion dollar coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► and this was this is all over the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► and this article I want to be a kind of thing that just like being aware of press releases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► I would like people to be aware of a particular kind of thing you often see on the news which is these video segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► I'm sure nothing like the video segments you have produced Brady but these video segments that are done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► It's seems almost like by third parties you know that the anchor like turns it over to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► and here's some guy you've never seen before talking about a thing or just like little video segment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► If you pay attention to them you will realize are entirely content free that you basically learn nothing more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► title told you and so and so in this particular example Kember what news channel it was on or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► but they made some so little three minute explanation about you know is the United States going to make the trillion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► dollar coin. Three minutes is a lot for T.V. News report. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► Super and I go through this like scene by scene about what they talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► and just show how it's almost like it's trying to trick you into thinking that they're saying something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► And once you tune into that on a lot of news segments that you see if you listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► and think Wait what do I know now that I didn't know two minutes ago. The answer is basically nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► Like they told you nothing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► and in this one in particular they make a couple of just weird little Not exactly errors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► but this kind of thing I see a lot in the News of the weird little sidesteps that I was only aware of because I happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► to be trying to research this topic and I thought it was going to be part of my debt video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► but I realize there's there's nothing to this story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► Even though everybody's talking about it there's nothing here to discuss. So I never put it in the video itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► But yes so what. Once you're aware of that like watch the news people and then think how do you know what it actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► What do I know now that I didn't know before I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► and often it's it's very very little art can be compressed down to just a sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► or two you know twenty minutes worth of stuff that you watch so this is why I am not a big consumer of the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► but why why is it so well can change that in your opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► I know there are you know you could talk about sort of a downward spiral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► but in general terms still millions upon millions of people watch the news every night and buy newspapers every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► If it's really that why are people paying money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► or devoting their time to well first of all there's a presumption that people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5875">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Are you aware of the things that's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► and it's impossible to be aware of the things that are wrong unless you know the things you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► You sort of have a presumption that things are correct unless you happen to know otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► and so I don't think it's obvious to people that that a lot of the news is kind of worthless or pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► or wrong because there's no reason that they would they would know that so you can expect people would necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► Like if I read some new story about a topic that I'm unfamiliar with I have no ability to judge its correctness you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► know and even I would just sort of oh I guess it's sort of mostly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► I only happen to know if I'm if I research it more than discover the thing is the thing is wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► As for as for why people consume the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► There are a few topics of conversation that I sometimes get into arguments at like dinners with friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► or you know acquaintances and things and one of them is this the thing about how I don't really follow the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► and it seems like it's a societal expectation that if you are you're an informed citizen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► and part of that is keeping up on the news. So it's not irresponsible of you to not know what's going on in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► Yes that's that's usually the response that I get from a lot of people sometimes like great anger that I don't follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► all of the news or you know we joke you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► when I say I'm disappointed in you Brady I'm not really disappointed in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► but I have definitely I've only met people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► when they find out that I don't follow the news I go you know I have to think less of you now because this is a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► societal benchmark it does amaze me. It does amaze me that you don't follow the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► but it does amaze me that someone who is interested in the things you're interested in is not more interested in news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► like this. I guess you're a history buff. That's what I think and I couldn't be a more wrong description of me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► I just think like you know you look at you'd like to weigh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► and that's kind of what that's what history is history is waiting till the dust of news has settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and we can just rationally go through what happened and how things work and why things happen the way they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► and the confusion of what's going on now seems to appeal to you want to wait and see the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► and then just dissect and think ahead and I went down I couldn't I couldn't disagree with you more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► Well I guess I have no problem with with the confusion of what's going on now with a very different issue from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► following the news I don't think that following the news is enlightening about confusion on particular issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► No no no you don't think that that's why you went away to the finishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► and you know it's not it's not that I want to wait until it all finishes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► That's that's imply I'm waiting for stuff to be settled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► There are there are things that I follow that are confusing in the present that I don't have to wait until things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6055">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► all settled I mean I guess but you know this is a minor example bit of a story that I'm very interested in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► I have been sort of following the stories of the protests against the Google and Yahoo buses out in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► and it's you know relatively small and sort of local story but it's caught my interest in a bunch of ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► I am I'm criticise Li interested in that because it's a very complicated story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► And for those who aren't who are not familiar the gist of it is it's a story of gentrification. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► People who lived in San Francisco before the technology companies came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► and the conflicts between those two groups you know the new to the new techies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► and the residents who were previously there and so Google has buses that pick up their employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► and those are excellent targets for you know protests are complaining about because it's a big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Check that says Google or Yahoo on the side of it so I've been following this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► and this is not a the dust is settled kind of issue it's doesn't bother me about that story in fact I'm very interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► in that and I don't know how to resolve the kinds of problems that are that are happening there I guess. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► My my my disinterest in following the news just has more to do with the information density is very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and I feel like this is the next this is an experiment that you do your listener can kind of run on yourself which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► that if you follow the news a lot you read newspapers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► I think in your mind how many of the things that you're reading now or that you're watching now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► Will matter at all in say three months time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► At least when I do this I think the result is you know very few of the things that you're consuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► or reading about matter at all in the long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► and I think that again that's a bias because of the way the news reports. We acknowledge it's a structural requirement. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► Just the stuff that's happening right now I would say it's an interesting exercise for the listener to think OK well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► if I spend I don't know a half hour watching the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► or reading the newspaper like what is this activity of mine contributing towards like why why am I doing this now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► If you like reading the news again I have no objection to this just like before I'm a very live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► and let live kind of recreation not playing a game like if it's recreation there's no argument there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► There is no argument against that is totally reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► but if you are doing it you know as I've had conversations with people out of some sort of feeling that you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► informed I would suspect that if you really start thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► and you start paying attention to what are you actually reading and watching and how much of this stuff is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► You know at some arbitrary point in the future it's very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► and so I don't think that it is it is actually necessarily informing you about what's going on I think it is informing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► you of what's going on. It's just what's going on when it mattered what was going on then white matter in three months. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► Yeah that that. That's correct yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► By that there's a much better way to fix it I said the exact opposite of what I meant which is what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► You talk extemporaneously. Yeah it's informing you of what's happening right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► But but do you need to know or know that words or more importantly is that how you want to spend your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► and I think that if if people are following news out of out of a feeling of obligation that that is that is a bad way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► to go to spend that time if you want to know about stuff you're better off possibly doing other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► and then following the news so I don't think then I say it to sound self-important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► I don't think many people who read the paper every morning or watch the T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► News every night doing it like it's a chore like clearing out the gutters or mowing the lawn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► I think they're doing it because. Like I don't think people do it like against their Again you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► I'd much rather be doing something else but gosh I've got to read the paper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► So like I say they may say they do it for a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► but I think they're doing it for a different reason I don't I think you're right that people put a lot of importance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► and credibility on the news and if they saw how the sausage is made. Mortified. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► I agree with that and if they knew how often stuff is wrong they would be mortified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► and if they you know the way news is made is could be quite shocking for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► but I don't think people can shimming news with the motives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6351">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► If you think they are consuming you I think I think they're doing it because they're entertained by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► and also because there's nothing humans like more than gossip and knowing what other humans are doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► Like whether it's whether it's whether it's what the next door neighbors have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► or something that happened on the other side of the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► People just love gossip and I mean gossip in every sense of the word in that in the in the pointless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► but also in the you know one hundred people died in a landslide sends people people people like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► That's why newspapers get to exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► People don't like the ads and people don't read papers because someone tells them they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► and he pulls like Can shaming some of that stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► and it's exploited it's exploited by commercial interests in the form of press releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► and it's exploited by governments in the form of propaganda and that corrupts the product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► But everything's corrupted by something and that doesn't mean it's acceptable but that's just the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► but I don't think people you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► I think people have as lofty a view of the news as maybe you think they do that doesn't mean it's not important people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► Yeah I mean maybe this is just a bias [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► when if I get into these arguments with people that they are there these are their go to arguments the news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► important and I am I am reading about important things and people don't want to say that it is kind of like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► There is there is medicine in the dog food that there is some medicine put in the dog food from time to time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► and I think you know yes I could mention Watergate and yes you could mention the Snowden stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► but even on that even in that even in the little day to day ways whether it's the local council being held to account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► because the local paper ran a story about their sneaky attempt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► A ban dogs off the leash in the local park opposite the road which is a purely hypothetical scenario I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► saw you complaining about on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► But like even on that even on that micro level like amongst all that rubbish that's in my local newspaper here at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► There is one or two stories a week that the local councillors don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► or some businessman who's trying to get something built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► and the local people are protesting about don't like like there is that public accountability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► and there are new things coming on stream that are taking that role. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► You know you can name and shame people on Twitter now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► and maybe slowly the old creek institutions of twenty four hour news channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► and newspapers are being replaced by new technology but that new technology is still doing that fourth estate job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► and I think you're throwing the baby with the bathwater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► and if we didn't have that public voice whether it's called Twitter and Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► or whether it's old fashioned newspapers we would have problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► I think I think there is these corrupt institutions that you dislike so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► So play an important role just like courts can be corrupted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► But if we did away with courts tomorrow I think society would be hurt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► We had a lot of back you on that one but I'm not sure how we jump to the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► but yes I know I will I will totally back you on that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► Again the notion of the something holding society to account is something that I am I am very much in favor of like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► OK with that and I'm very interested to see where some of these newer younger News projects go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► but you don't think the big thing the big boys do or don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► Do you think they're completely devoid of any aspect of that and there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► and that those in positions of power in any way moderated by the spotlight of publicity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► So at all is a very very strong statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► and I actually have a link here that I added to the show notes because I thought I thought it was an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► Look at think it was The Washington Post in the States but they did as an example of positive news that was good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► They did a very interesting article about bureaucratic waste in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► and it was kind of an unbelievable article because it it goes into details about how this it sounds it sounds like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► but there is an underground facility in West Virginia that's an old abandoned coal mine that has been turned into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► football length paper processing facility that has to do with processing all the paperwork for the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► when you read about this you think how can this exist this is appalling that this is the system that is in use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► and it has been this way for the past forty years and that that I put that in the news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► Because I thought that's an interesting example that I came across recently of something in a major newspaper that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► get I'm presuming that it's right. Sheds light in an interesting way on a particular kind of problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► You know governments are always going to be slow to change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► That's the part of their nature that's fine I don't expect them to be as as quick changing as companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► and I think we would necessarily want them to be of quick changing of companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► but maybe a unbelievable mine under the ground processing paperwork for forty years is like maybe we should update that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► and wring out of all I have to say I thought math never in West Virginia and I want to see that. Sounds great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6712">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► So super cool but at the same time it's horrifying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► So so never is never is a strong word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► but if we're going to do a throwback to the to the follow up talk about the pluses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► and minuses I think that there are there are winners there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► There are good things that are done in major newspapers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► but they are just relatively small compared to the enormous stream of irrelevancy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► That said that is produced there are many systems that act like this in life where there's there's an enormous amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► of stuff that maybe isn't worth very much and there's there's a couple of diamonds in the rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► and in a pre internet world you know I would say that newspapers are much more defensible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► You know because you need some kind of publishing medium you need to be able to speak to the broader world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► but in a post Internet world I'm sufficiently confident that those diamonds can be found without the existence of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6771">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► and what you're saying is being completely borne out by commercial reality to I mean obviously newspapers are now struggling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► Yeah. Because because a lot of that roll out of of these sort of overarching curators is no longer necessary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► Yeah and I can't say we're going to shed a tear for the newspapers especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► when they free boot our videos as often as they do with downline sections which they're the worst about now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► Yeah yeah that's the photo is not super respectable I don't see that much with smaller sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► but anyway at the site point there is there is this there is this minor danger or problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► and I don't I haven't thought this through much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► but there is this slight concern that if we no longer have a commercially sustainable way for people to put resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► into proper investigation and exposure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► Will we be poorer for that for example if you've got some crummy newspaper that's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6835">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► All this irrelevant stuff and I am the first to admit that happens they usually have like one man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► or woman on staff who's just you know sits in the corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► and is allowed to beaver away on some story that was unlike those that kind of luxury doesn't exist as much in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► kind of mainly an Internet world where I think you're wrong about that I think you're wrong about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► and I'm going to I'm going to give an example that is going to sound like the crazies example to people who are on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► Internet but you know Buzz Feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► Yes OK So so people on from Buzz Feed produces If you go to their Web site it looks like at a glance it looks like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► sort of terrible click BT Web site that has like Top ten celebrity surgery disasters you know which I mean I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6880">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► but they must they must be running some kind of internal team that does this exact same function because every once in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► a while they come out with some amazing piece of original reporting one of the examples that that just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► recently which is why it's on the top of my mind was a total investigation into how has the United States. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6916">TS</a>]
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01:55:34 ◼ ► things that weren't in the original bill that gave them his powers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUv88MA/6934">TS</a>]
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