00:00:01 ◼ ► We've only been going an arrant ten minutes on follow up on looking we have things that we theoretically sort of wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► to talk about. I don't fancy our chances I don't know for ever going to get to anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► I feel this is just one hundred percent follow up it feels like a very long time since we did this it has been a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/11">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► long time I think for us it's been almost three weeks since the last time we recorded because we recorded the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/21">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► back to back so that's why I feel like it's been such a long time you know that you see like your wife every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► and every single little thing that happens in life can become a conversation but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► when there's like a major someone you haven't seen for a really long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► and you talk about what's been going on since we last saw each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► and there's like so many things you almost don't know what to talk about like what qualifies as being big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/44">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► and important enough. To talk about when you haven't spoken for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/52">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► when you haven't seen another person you can't talk about the little things because they're not involved enough to care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/57">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► or for it to be meaningful in the slightest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/62">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► So you just have to talk about the big things that three weeks is difficult because three weeks is that nothing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/65">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► big could have happened that will probably not happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/70">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► but the little things all of a sudden same two little three weeks is probably the worst possible gap between talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/73">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► and listen to our old podcasts like I made fun of you doing on the last show because I just I felt like I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/82">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► remember at all what we talked about and then oh yes what a delightful conversation about like that was how go great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/90">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► I do enjoy listening to I am not going to lie I did enjoy listening to you talk about flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/97">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► and if I made fun of you for the same behavior last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► but I thought wow that was really enjoyable I'd listen to that guy again you know in one of the last one cast I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/107">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► it was the last one. I jokingly said I'd be sitting by the pool in Morocco listening to a podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/114">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► Well I was sitting by the pool in Morocco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► and I was listening to a pod like there was kind of a reason for it because people pay people may not care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/123">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► but the way we make this is you usually send me kind of a a very rough cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/132">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and once you put it together so I can have a quick listen and give you some ideas for titles and editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/137">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► and so I was listening to those before you had put it up so I felt like I had to listen to it I was hoping I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/143">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► Yeah and there's another sort of thing which I'm often maligned by my wife was kind of chuckling at my own jokes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/149">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► But just in general if I'm with people I say joke I have that I'll laugh after I say that I was sitting by the pole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/159">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► and then I heard myself make the joke that I will be sitting by the pool the maraca this thing to the pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/166">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► and I was sitting by the pool listening to the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and then I laughed at my snow joke because of the funniness of the fact that I was doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/177">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► And then I post the podcast and turned to my wife next to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/182">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► and said the funniest thing just happened I was listening to the park and as I said the PA the poem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► or the park US brother and then I told her like the whole matter joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► and then I laughed laughed at the joke of the joke of the joke so it was a bit like Inception I was laughing at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/194">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► joke about eight levels down and I just thought this is the most amazing thing ever and then she got on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/201">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► and said Take not you could I said I mean I was the most amazing thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► So I'm back live a good time in Morocco it was amazing. Yeah very hot it was very relaxing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/212">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► We were staying at this kind of quiet nice place which was quite quite grown up type place not many kids there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/219">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and then a few kids arrived one day with a family are the worst. Yeah I know these things happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/227">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► So anyway two nights we were there they have got this open air cinema where they just set up some rugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/232">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► and lovely cushions on the side of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► They play a movie was that I was going to play Casablanca and of course if you're in Morocco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► and I've never seen Casablanca and not know that my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► and we're waiting for to it is going to be really lovely watching Casablanca under the stars in Morocco. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► So we went and we laid we laid out on the head like these they have got these wireless headphones so it was nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► It's a really nice thing and that would say the movie earlier in the week so we knew how lovely it was going to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/261">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► and they didn't tell anyone this but there was a delay starting and then we had to watch all these trailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► and all these things and then eventually that the film started and it wasn't Casablanca. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/272">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► They played a hundred games and I like the Hunger Games is a good film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/277">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► but I'd seen it before it's not what I was expecting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/282">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► O'Day we've been looking forward to Casablanca I hadn't told anyone they were going to play Casablanca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/285">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► and we are so lucky I took my headphones off and I sort of said to the people what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/290">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► and I said the kids went to the manager today and one of the kids went to the manager today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► and said Can we watch hunger games instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► My managers that are OK and they didn't tell anyone that changed and they just played it and everyone had turned up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/303">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► and light was sitting there a man took me with their glasses of wine waiting for the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/309">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► and then the different film started tell you there was some there are some quietly unhappy people there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/313">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► Oh man I went with another winning everything but. So we went back to the room and I I asked for the D.V.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/321">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► Of Casablanca as that we could work in Iran and then they brought it to my hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/330">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► We watch the first twenty minutes and got tired and fell asleep and said I will watch it tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► and the next to the next one I want an exciting evening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/340">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► Yeah that was a pretty exciting evening I was asked I can center the next morning the people come to the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/343">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► and I said Can we have the Casablanca D.V.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► Back and they were very sheepish and I'm like oh no I didn't finish watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/352">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► and after what you did last night I'm hanged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/358">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Because we're going to watch it tonight and I said oh we really need a back and I said you know I'm going to pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► and I we need it because we're going to play tonight on the big screen again and it wasn't a movie not that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► and it turns out so many people who had gotten their knickers in a twist about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► There's been this huge mutiny and the manager had like realized the error of his ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/374">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► and they had to have another big move in the next night and they did show Casablanca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and it was lovely under the stars right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► Very nice evening to have this thing about kids right because we're here because we don't have kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and we haven't got kids is easy to winge about not having kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► Well it is about kids because they're like little monsters. Former teacher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► Yeah in the last podcast you made some some when we talk about dogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/401">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► and we were talking about having kids versus dogs and I thought the view was that had kids would get into if it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/407">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► and then say we were going to clip about kids not a single comment I was I was going to bring up the same thing I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/413">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► amazed. Not a single person complained about our comment that dogs are more responsibility than children. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► Well you know I'm going to take is evidence that people who have dogs and children know that we are right about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► but you know you suggested that you know languages in schools is unnecessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► and it was like an international incident and then you may say but there's nothing about kids nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/437">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► It must say something about our audience I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► but no I think it says something about how difficult children are relative to how difficult dogs are that's that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/445">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► and that's why I think it's By that rationale because of all the outcry of your take your stuff that means you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► acknowledge that you take your stuff was wrong. Language stuff. Now I know it is a work both ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/455">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► It only works one way. OK what have we got on the list of things to follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► Wheat there was some talk about you will love checklists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► and sort of a challenge was thrown down to guess what Grey's daily checklist is because you won't reveal what's on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/470">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► daily checklist for whatever reason. Yes yes yes oh yes we mentioned that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Or you threw down a challenge to the listeners to try to guess what was on my checklist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► There were some guesses I did say some on the side. Did you have a look through them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► Yeah there were a bunch there were a bunch of really good guesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► but my favorite was by a guy called delusion on the Reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► and his look his list is it continues on the metal beam because some of the items that he wrote for what he guessed was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/496">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► Check previous day's list and carry over new business today to arrange today's list according to current needs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/507">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► Proofread today's list left justified today's LIST. Nice touch there to life stuff. Update list based on life stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/513">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► Make tentative list for tomorrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► Review this month's list and update accordingly and then review the day's list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/524">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► and contemplate any other necessary lists I thought he's kind of right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/528">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► It's not too far off because I do use many lists to manage my other lists so it is general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/535">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► but it is it is kind of right well done to delusion. The most accurate IF least specific list you could possibly make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/542">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► So I like that I like that a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► So all of the other people who are making a lot more serious guesses they were quite aware of the makeover there anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/550">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► you know there are people people some people are on the Mark one of the things that I thought was funny was somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/557">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► wrote up a list and one of the items they included on the list was eat breakfast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► and somebody somebody replied to them that nobody would need to put breakfast on the list and then I chimed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/568">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and said Actually I do have breakfast on my workflow that is one of the items. So this person was correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► Even though other people were jumping in and telling him no that's too ridiculous nobody would put that on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► but I do I do have that on my list so I made up stories about my genius scientists who employ people to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/586">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► and remind them to age because they get so lost in their thoughts they forget to eight. You do that to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/593">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► Now I'm not I'm not doing it because I'm not doing it because I'm a genius scientist that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/600">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► when I was a kid I would love to have grown up to be a genius scientist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► but that was not in the cards for me that I am neither smart enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/607">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► nor diligent enough for the genius scientist route that is very hard I mean I mainly actually have that on my list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/612">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► I think we've touched on it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► but I am very aware that my whole day is productivity is very sensitive to slight changes in the morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/624">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► So I like things have to go very smooth when I first wake up to kind of getting into the office and starting work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/633">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► and so I I try to make that part of the day really mechanical as much as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► and just do these things in this order every time to try to ease me into getting a good start on the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/646">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► So that's why I do have breakfast on there but I don't have other meals that doesn't say don't forget about dinner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/652">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► It's like this is the order that I want to do things in all the time so that's not still haven't convinced me why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► would have to have that written down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/664">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► I cannot going to get a little it's nothing it's nothing to do with the forgetting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► It's it's everything to do with the ritualize ation of what you're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► First thing in the morning that that's what it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/677">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► So this is this is just a way to encourage a little ritual in the morning which I find is beneficial to the whole day's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/680">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► work but you haven't got like brush your teeth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► or get dressed on the list presumably you know where this is this is the thing with with us I mean we can find them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/689">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► but what is breakfast what what is it about breakfast that gets it on the list that I put on my underpants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/696">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► Doesn't have that means it doesn't go on the list this is this is the art of checklists creation that's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/702">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► book as well as creation there is if there is a book if I can remember a time I had the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/711">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► I don't call it rids which is worth reading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► Probably mentioned inaudible at some point but it is the Checklist Manifesto by a tool guy one day who's a doctor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/722">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► Very interesting book and it talks about how do you make checklists in different environments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► and one of the things that he talked about is for example prepping surgery patients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/735">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► So what you need to have a checklist of what is going to happen to prep someone for say open heart surgery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► and there's a real art in making a checklist that is effective and that you can't put everything on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/747">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► and that there are actual studies showing how often do things get forgotten or how often do things get messed up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/758">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► And if a checklist is too long people tend to go through it very automatically without really thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► but of course if it's too short you end up with errors because you're leaving off things that you're assuming people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► are just going to do. But sometimes they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/774">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► And but you want very obvious things on a checklist and he also talked about pre-flight checklist for airplanes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/777">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► What meaning me on this I know I know you've been excited at how reckless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/783">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► or really boring until their preflight checklist is all of a sudden Brady perk up. That's all OK no go for launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/788">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► Yes can't come. Yes all of that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/795">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► That's Co Yeah that's when Check this become the checklists are never more cool than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► when they are dealing with space ships are going to go check with but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► but so it's an interesting book to read to talk about what what should be and should not be on this kind of list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/808">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► Yes So for me things like brush teeth put on pants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► This is not on the list because they just they happen very naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► but that I think eating breakfast falls into that category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► That's what I don't get like I I respect that you can't put too much on and you can't have too little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► I'm just surprised that you know any conflicts is is one that would make the list for for me it sounds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/831">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► But for me I am aware that breakfast is a bit of a trouble point because very often I will wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/840">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and I have learned from experience that this is dangerous because I feel like I don't need to eat right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/850">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► Let me just start piddling around with some sort of work but it's not really work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► This is this is one area where I'm aware that things can go a little bit wrong so it is helpful to have a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/861">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► nudge that says even if you don't feel like it just eat your standard breakfast now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► and then move right along this list in taking to getting things set for the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► So I do have on that checklist that while I am making breakfast I do create an additional checklist which is relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/875">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► to the events that are going to happen in the day like that where that is that is a nice like let's get going on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/881">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and breakfast is a sticking point whereas you never forget to brush your teeth because you just feel so disgusting as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/888">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► human being until you have done it so that there's no way you're not you're not going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/895">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► but you have to use an electric toothbrush electric toothbrushes are a recent addition to the great household [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/900">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► Did you I was on Reddit the other day and there was a there was a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► and I asked what what purchase less than a hundred dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► or something has like been most life changing for a little and I was amazed by the number of people he said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/921">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Electric toothbrush. And I've been thinking about one for a long time so I took the plunge and got one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/927">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► Is it love that Ana care to trust but I know I didn't get that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/936">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► I think it's I think it's a posh one it was quite it was it was a posh one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/943">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► I read all the reviews and the sonic it did look good for various reasons I went for this other one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/951">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► What's been your first impressions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► My wife decided that we were going to convert to electric toothbrushes and so this just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► and we've had them for several months now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/966">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► and here's how I know that this is a thing that has become part of my life without me really noticing because at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► I was all unreasonably grumpy about this change for no apparent reason I don't know about this I have to charge my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/973">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► toothbrush I have enough things in my life I need to charge I don't I don't need to charge something like a tooth brush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► they started to use it and we have a Sonicare one which I highly recommend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► I think it's very good but it is very strange to use at first. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► It sort of tickles it takes a little while to get used to it and then the feeling goes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/993">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► but I cannot remember where was I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/997">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► I was overnight somewhere for for travel purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► and I did not have the electric toothbrush I had a regular tooth brush and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► when I used it it felt like I was brushing my teeth with a twig with some leaves on it I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► How did I ever use this barbaric tool before like you don't even feel remotely clean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► Have any of you that is a stick and he's leave. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► I think I'm just moved a whole bunch of junk around and possibly made my mouth dirtier than it was before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► So I cannot go back to what it was you go to an electric toothbrush there is no turning back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► You can never you can never reverse as bad at least that that's my feeling I have used a normal tooth brush are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► only doing this for a week so we're all you know a couple awakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► but man it makes brushing your tastes like fun I really look forward to it like I am now brushing my teeth once a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► whether I need to or not the whole book. No but seriously I have a lover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► It does it makes it fun like I want I want to do it for longer like it's like just give me another minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► or two brushing my taste this is it's like how the shredder has made a paper away from the electric toothbrush has made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1070">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► I'm surprised that you would have taken converting you know you know this you know this who the tech guy that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► everything modern and thinks technology is the answer to all their problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► and yet you have been using to tweak it for so long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► Well first I didn't know that it was twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► and I was using it I had to have my eyes opened to him to be a good situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► There's a conflict in which I also value simplicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► and I honestly I always about electric toothbrushes were a gimmick I thought this is just the company needs to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► more expensive toothbrushes with higher margins on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► and so they're trying to convince me that electric toothbrushes are the way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► and that this is just some some little gimmick thing so I never considered them as being genuinely better but in the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► But they really do feel much much better so yes I did need convincing because I was valuing simplicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► and I like that I didn't want another yet another thing that I have to charge which I do find irritating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Yeah that is one part of this at least if not I think this is something with the this is a small irritation in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► world of living in England is the electric sockets in bathrooms over here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► Yes they don't have it's in the electrical code I think that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► and they have you can't have a regular wall socket in the bathroom you know in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► You have these wimpy wimpy little shaving sockets and maybe one if you're lucky but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► and so I still don't like the fact that I have to have a little charging station for my tooth brush in my office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► because there's no other place to put it so I don't like that thumbs down on that I would like there to be wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► charging or magic or just an electric socket in the bathroom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► I know I think we're I think we're OK it would only cause a few hundred extra deaths a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► and I think for the convenience of eating I would have to trace back in the time it's worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► It would cause no extra death was in the electrical code if they like what they buy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► At the lower that you can have these four power sockets in the bathroom because they're overly cautious we have full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► power sockets in America you don't hear about rashes of people dying is this is what we have circuit breakers you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. OK Let me let me let me google something Hold on a moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► How many people die from electrocution in the United States every year. In the bathroom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► Electrician killed by like a shock while fixing bathroom lights. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► You don't have to go through every individual story I'm hoping for sort of an overarching statistic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Yeah and I understand that but I'm just trying to one of the top link is nothing to do with the number of deaths. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► OK let's try something else here I can't even find anything it's just time on the road it would let us know they will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1251">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► I'm going to assume that basically got right with you sometimes as terrifying pictures of things as I was growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► Scully Oh that's what electrified flesh looks like thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► You could have warned me what is this electrical Safety Foundation International. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Seriously we need to get out now on hold on hold on I'm almost there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► This this interlude of great giggling something on Helen Today is brought to you by Dr Pepper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► Yeah I'm going to basically this is so infrequent as to not be mentioned like I'm saying all this is it's about injury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► from electric shock just in the household in general I'm seeing almost nothing about death from electric shock I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► are you not of the electricians. I refuse to believe that Americans are killing themselves in their bathrooms there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► They do some pretty silly stuff Americans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► and there are a lot of them there are a lot of them yes now I'll be curious We'll see if we can find some actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► or some some intrepid listener can find some actual statistics about deaths in the bathroom accidental from electricity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► I'd be curious now if I would I would bet that it's not it's not very large. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► That's my guess I'm betting is large but we will see. So I'm looking at a list here of things and follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1339">TS</a>]
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00:23:34 ◼ ► That's all Bill dot com slash hello internet. Humble bragging. Oh OK I have to just talk about this for a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► Since that came out I think you you kind of brought up the term I hadn't heard the term you know how you said on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► Twitter you are getting notifications of every single plane crash that ever occurs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► Yeah I also see that people treat you with just about every you ever use of the word freebooting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► So I experienced the same phenomenon where it seemed like everybody was tweeting me various humble brags I'm getting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► I'm maybe not as much as if I'm getting a lot of that back every time someone says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► Every time someone humble brags to Twitter a lot. Yeah and it's like people don't know what this word is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I've seen several news stories of people showing me some humble brag and that's not a humble brag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► I think the fundamental thing about the humble brag is you are complaining about something in a way that makes you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► awesome. That is that is the key thing is this opposition. YORK your sensible complaint I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► I think you have to be complaining but I think you have to be saying something either negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► or something like it a whole new or it has to appear that the premise is something a little bit self-deprecating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► when in fact the intent is the exact opposite. Yes that's a better way to put it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► But complaining is too specific but yes you are are describing yourself in a sensibly negative terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► but you're actually pumping yourself up as sort of which they are and there is a Twitter account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► and it is just a humble brag. And what I like is it is an account that just read tweets people making humble brags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► So it doesn't comment on them it just doesn't say anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► There's no it doesn't suite itself it just retrieves other people that's class that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► and some of them are some of them are just they're just celebrities other people that that you might you might know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► some who say if I was playing the fear in the me see if I can just find a couple examples of ones that I think are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► examples of what a humble brag is. Here's one where humble bragger retreated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► Stephen Fry and he says Oh dear I don't know what to do at the airport there's a huge crowd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► but I'll miss my plane if I stop. And do Fotos. Oh dear don't want to disappoint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Yeah I think this is an example of a humble brag that is a classic example because it's like oh there is this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► and I don't want to disappoint people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► but I'm talking about the enormous collection of people who are here because I am here that that is a humble brag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► There's another one here which I like I don't know who this perfect person is but it is a guy called David Garland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► and he includes a screen shot with us by the way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► He says Oh That awkward moment when you go to bodybuilding dot com and the graphic on the left side is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► and a picture of bodybuilding dot com with it looks like his advertisement featuring his own shirtless picture on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► But he's presenting this as though it's so awkward that I'm on bodybuilding dot com I can't show my face in public like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► that is what a humble brag as you know. Yes So I just I just want to mention that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► And so people I don't know to stop sending these things which I don't even know how to describe to describe them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► but people would send me anything that was I guess a brag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► but a brag may be done in a slightly roundabout way I don't I don't even know how to describe the thing that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► sending me but I just found it infuriating that none of you think they're humble brags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► There needs to be this opposition. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► It can't just be I'm really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► and isn't that great is a humble brag to say I have this legion of father was he keep tweeting me humble brags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► but oh no they keep getting it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► and I'm going to banks you have over I would I would say I would say no because I feel like I'm not trying to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► myself up in that world like that like the bodybuilding dot com one is different you're trying to promote you're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► to promote yourself. That sounds like it was a humble ad. If I thought it was a good example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► The thing I get sent a little bit I don't want to say I guess until the time I was sound like I'm bragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► and a little bit on Twitter is misuse of humble which is obviously where this whole conversation started with my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► complaint about people misusing saying I've been humbled. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► So a lot of people are sending those to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► and the thing that I find interesting is what they're doing is they're they're finding someone who tweeted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and then they like doing a great way to walk the humble brag Hempel brag I does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► but they just put me in as well they put Brady Haran and as well so they all say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► but they don't very often they don't comment on are they just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and I always wonder if the person who made the original. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► He is wondering why some stranger is tweeting their tweet to this guy code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► Brady because they're included in the twenty as well. Right right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► With that comment with that person's going why why are these people talking about me I think because I don't like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► don't reply or anything so I must just be a little weird moment in their life. Twitter is strange sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► Yeah I'm just I'm just going through the list here on Hump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► and I'm still going to have a few from from a long time ago which were from the Emmys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► There's one guy who has posted a picture of him holding an Emmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► and he says Why am I not smiling in this picture I have no idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► There's another one here complaining why can't I look cool when I meet Tom Hanks and he hands me an Emmy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► and then there's a picture of them getting handed an Emmy by Tom Hanks these are all humble brag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Get your act together people great doesn't want to hear your humble brags and that's that proper humble brags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► Well I was going to say way it was more you spoke for quite some time about the design of U.S. State flags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► Yes yes there has been considerable discussion about it on red and elsewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► I think we've both received a lot of tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and a mouse are probably were saved more a mouse not because I'm more popular because people realize they should email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► Yeah I've now ignore those emails paypal so you can you can lay off and I was once he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► and he still sends them email Brady. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► That's good because I become like this like filter like if someone if a mouse not wanting to offer you like a large sum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► Yeah OK you know do the negotiation with me and I will do the do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► and just take a little cut of the top that you can find out a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► Maybe other that could be possible for both of us if it works out right I don't know tell me about what's been coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► to you and your reflections on that discussion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I was it was incredibly great discussion and I enjoyed listening to me talk about again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► and you just got on like you go to sleep there every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► When I wanted to point out is people sense me two things in particular where people had redesigned the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► State flags and I saw a whole bunch of these and I thought there were two that were interesting and worth mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► and I shall send one to you. I kept looking at this united we stand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► Yes you have to scroll down about one hundred times on this page I can looking at that a complex out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► Yes scroll down scroll down there is just below. There's actually a slightly interesting thing here which is the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► Flag. But these are the ones I've looked at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► Yeah OK so this this first one is a look at the design project where they decided to do what is sort of the Australia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► So can we do all of the flags and give them a similar look like I was like having a style guide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► Yes I like almost having a style guide and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► They settled on a couple points the main one which is the most visually striking right away is that all of the flags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► are going to be done in only three colors red blue and white. So the American colors and they picked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► There's a strange thing which is I always run into this whenever I use an American flag in my videos is the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► colors of the official American flag are much darker than people think they are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► It's not a bright blue and a bright red they are really dark colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► and if you go to Wikipedia they have the flag of the official colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► and it almost looks strange because people aren't used to seeing it so dark I think most flags that people buy like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► a stick that you wave in a parade. Those I think those are just done brighter than they really are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► It's often some street they've just been lined up for various reasons so I actually often tweek the colors of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1973">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► and for my little America country girl I know I lightened up the colors on her skirt because it looked weird otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► do you get the crumbs of Christ you would do to a stick with a date. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► I'm disappointed I think that because I am American I'm allowed to do it I wouldn't do it with some other country's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► flag was like I'm American I'm going to you know America others up her own flag is not American enough sign of affray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► them has to be someone actually tweaking those cover video yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► but I went this route this redesign what they've done is they too have decided that the traditional colors are too dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► and they've gone with very bright blue very light bright blue and bright red color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► and they have picked a few elements Stars and Stripes and tried to do all of the fifty flags with a unified look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► and actually do you have any habit that you have any thoughts on this redesign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► Well first of all can I just say to all of those people who are. Listen to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► Pod cast an Oreo format which is one hundred percent of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► Analogies that we're talking about things we're looking at other computers going to be a theme for those of you who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► have COPD who have gone to the show you know to code up this page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► and is looking at the same thing on looking at my thoughts a kind of bland boring sameness I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► and it all looks just like a you know they're cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► I imagine each on their own would be cool but when you see them all together it looks a bit too samey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► and none of them catch my eye like I don't look look I want to thank Tex So look at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► and say California I just look at it and think there's a whole bunch of flags are all kind of similar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► Now first we have to we have to agree as all right thinking people do that almost anything is better than the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► state of life which is to say yes this is this is this is better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► But it's interesting because I would have expected that I would like this a lot more than I actually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► and I would almost have described something just like this if you had asked me what would you do with the flag if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► and I would think I would probably make all the exact same design decisions that this group has done as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► Let's let's standardize the colors let's standardized design elements. I like a lot of these individual designs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► I mean of course obviously Maryland is made vastly inferior because Maryland has the best flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and so you know they had to change all the colors of Maryland is like oh what a shame to lose that beautiful flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► Is that the one they had the yellow and black cherry yellow and black checks with the red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► and white crosses Yes your uniform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► So yes I was very interested by this design because I guess that I expected to like it a lot more than I actually do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► still think it is a great bit of design work and some of the if you go through all fifty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► If you are a flack not they've made some interesting choices about what the representation suit should be for various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► states if you if you're familiar with the state at all I think it's interesting to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► But I agree I think it's almost too bland and I wonder if fifty is just too many to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► and standardize Except now I'm going to send you the second link so here is the other thing I want to take a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► and I mean this is winter is coming so I have done this using a motif of the pan as in Game of Thrones that sets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► house Connecticut house Idaho and I've done them like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► They's a good so now I don't know if I've never seen Game of Thrones you have seen Game of Thrones I'm a big fan yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► I'm assuming that this I will rely on you to to say that this is some there's some of the houses in the mirrors also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► there for a fiver a bit more houses and each one has a very distinctive banner you know to take into battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► and they look just like these things and it becomes a big part of the House of stock have have these walls as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and things like that I think the House of Lannister is aligned on the plan of the house I think so yeah I think these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► houses have a very distinctive my TAFE and these are these are the important part of the show done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► Along that does not like that they look you have a slip like that come out of the show this is to say someone's done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► state flag in kind of Game of Thrones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► or so it looks like it should be on a on a staff then carried by soldiers into battle and they are very very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► I really impressed by the ace So this is my thought as well is that this game of thrones state flag redesign I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► but the interesting thing about it is this is this is consistent as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► They all look related but but without the sameness of the previous redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► and so I thought these two were an interesting comparison because I look at the first one I think I'll maybe fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► flags is just too many to try to have them have it. Team but then there's this Game of Thrones one thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► Boy is this awesome and they still look coherent but they're distinct enough from each other and I really like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► I think some of them are just the state should just immediately adopt these designs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► I mean the thing is I mean part of the thing that makes stays consistent is is quite is almost more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► It's almost a the much more detailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► but it's also like they've got like a distressed miss to them like they look like they didn't have things you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► That's part of what makes them cohesive Is that kind of pain that had like a filter almost for lack of a better sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► put to them whether there is a fake aged filter and over them relatively subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► but it is there helps make it a more coherent set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Either you have to make it more clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► but I would still say what I think is interesting scrolling through them is to see that they clearly are using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► limited but wider color palette. Yes the yellows keep repeating the Greens the blues they are all in the same feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► They're excellent paper should have a look they really are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► So these are these are my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► and I think almost every state would be improved immediately either by adopting the first one which is not my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► or immediately adopting any of King throw things style flags for their state like an echo them signals tonight again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► when they were discussing the state facts last time I think we kind of I think we kind of I think I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► and you see how great that perhaps the problem with state flags was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► when they created they created by presumably governments and committees and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► and there are people pulling in different directions and each state would have had different pressures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► and not only is each flag compromised that each flag has been compromised in subtly different ways and you end up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2393">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► With his enormous hotch potch and that's bad but the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► when you look at all the flags of the nations of the world like on a big map why don't I have that problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► when you look at all the flags of the world and they're actually pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► but they were very few duds very few fall into the traps that you would say the state flags to fall into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► and there's no it's not like there are rules on international flags as far as I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► I imagine any country can do what it wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► and yet somehow they have all kind of it's like they've almost cooperated as and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► when you look at all the flags of all the countries it's OK Kind of makes sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► You don't look at that and think we need to start again like you do with the state facts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► What has happened on this international level that didn't happen when the states come up with their flags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► I don't know that that's an interesting question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► I feel like you are you are right about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► but although the world flags look better as a bunch I don't know maybe there is less design by committee for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► I don't know if that's true I would say that there are definitely some duds on the world stage. They're not criminal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Not many when you consider like you know international tastes and things like that. There are there are many bad ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► That's what we should do I think we need to prepare for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and take a thorough look at what we can have a whole episode just on the world flags we can about their design that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► would be sure people would love that I'm sure you would. I would bet a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► I'd be up for that we'll do that sometimes with what I was actually you just remind me one more thing which is a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► So I nice looking north american to see what happens I don't care what one of us one of us needs repair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► OK underscoring a trick by the way I'm not like wetting myself in case you can hear that I cannot hear that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► You might imagine that there are there are no rules for flags about one hundred people after that episode must've sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► me this link to the North American Mexico logical Association which has a guideline called the five basic principles of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► flag design and they they have some guidelines which I think are are interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► I'll just run through them really quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► The checklist is that it's sort of it well if it is a it is guidelines guidelines is what I always find the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► design really interesting and I think I need a break first before designing your flag. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► Now you are just trying to rile me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► So the basic guideline is number one is it should be simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► and the suggestion is that it should be simple enough that a child could reproduce it from memory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► The second one is to use meaningful symbolism. The third is to use no more than three basic colors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2574">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► Number four which I definitely approve of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► No words but words of every kind on your flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► and then number five which relates to our discussion of the state flags is be distinctive or be related. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► So either stand on your own or be connected to things that are similar to your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► and they go through they have a whole bunch of examples of good good design and bad design both with the colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► or with the simplicity you have or being able to being able to reproduce it from memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► and what I like is that they perfectly acknowledge that these are guidelines that you can still have good flags that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► break these rules and what I absolutely love is the number one example of a flag that is hideous but still works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► Yes it is America and it is in Maryland. I laughed so hard when I saw that I thought well I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2630">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I mean I can't respect people that make a list that give you five guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and then say By the way Number Six is you don't have to follow the previous five. You can't respect that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► Yeah it's like here are the rules for designing a flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► and by the way you don't have to follow the rules like well OK well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► and half those rules were not the most obvious thing in the world anyway like make sure your symbols have meaning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► Yeah thanks thanks for the advice I was about to put you know the planet Jupiter on my flag I don't know how until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► gave me that brilliant advice. You think this simple but most of the state flags ignore a bunch of those rules of war. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► Oh no danger there is from eleven colours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► No child could ever possibly dry I would say half the flag for sale on points one through three immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► and then be distinctive or be related nobody can agree there on what's happening with the flags. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► So I mean they're just following rule number six which said you don't have to follow the rules you may be better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► I disagree you would think that I would be the one who would say you have to follow these rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► but this really is where I am endlessly fascinated by how design works and I don't understand it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► and I you know I've read books on design and I find all the stuff really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► and I just I I am not good at design which is why I am so interested in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► and I don't understand why things look good sometimes and why things don't look good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► I find this a fascinating topic and it just it seems obvious to me that there may be considerations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► but somehow people can break these rules and stuff still works but how do you know when to break those rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► I need a I need a checklist for rule breaking this utopia you know but that by that by definition can exist so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► Well I want to just throw that in there because everybody sent it to me and I thought it was interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► Speaking of design. Next on our list a follow up is how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► It's an artistic bent and that is we have had a little bit more movement in the I mean we jokingly call a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► but it's probably that's probably not the right word for creations from people who appreciate the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and we think we've posted them on the sub Reddit previously and it's been a bit of chat on social media about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► We should talk about the pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and associated animation music clip that went with it created by a couple of guys who we've kind of crossed paths with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► alums who I who makes a lot of music for my videos. Wrote a jingle for the Bradys papercut segment and sent it to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► You've heard I mean I have heard and I have heard it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► And then he collaborated with I'm going to try and say this forgive me Newt I think is how you pronounce his name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2812">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► He's an artist who has been doing some pictures of us previously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► He animated them some and they put it together on You Tube So there's a pat Brady's pipe song and film and you star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and of course the robot gray and caveman Brady and a lot of people but I see a lot of people not including us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► Yeah I think it was really good we put it on the subway for people to talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► I'll put a link in the show not people to check out and it was it was very cute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► and canoed who I think of in my head as getting into Phish since that's his deviant ART name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► Yes it does really cute little diagrams to go along with them so it was really great people to check it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► and really will put the link in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► What do you think I mean it's funny that this connects to trial which started with those drawings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► and then was used in his animation and has now been used by other animators. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► As the way of animating a service is become your official physical form in the animation which is this kind of glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► wearing robot that goes around like one wheel on the end of a stork or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► What do you what do you think of this betrayal the glasses wearing robot that sounds about right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► The one wheel thing is a little weird I'm not sure how or how quite how I feel about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► but I can understand from a nation perspective why you would think that it makes it look more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► and they can make the robot which has no facial expressions at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► Basically it's very expressive robot and I like it does become very expressive in its movements and reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► but I think at the wheel the one wheel is kind of what what makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► and the bendable body so it is it is it is interesting to see how. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► People end up embodying a character version of you and I don't know if this is exactly comparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► but do you have you ever seen or listened to the Ricky Gervais's show yes yes I did and I liked a lot back in the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► So the number I'm thinking of is if I didn't follow this very closely but he he had a pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and then it was turned into an animated series. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Yeah exactly and I just took that they'll cut costs and company animated them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► Yes And so I feel that it's a similar interesting thing because I know with those three guys Ricky Gervais Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► Merchant and Company thank you very much as blanking on his name and what they look like in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► and then they have cartoon versions of themselves and it's a similar kind of thing it's sort of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► but it's sort of not them at all and that's a funny thing to have happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► So I am fully in favor of the this kind of robot robot depiction of myself I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► but I still feel like robots can look different whereas cave men. Everybody knows what a cave man looks like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► How do you feel about the new Kate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Well I'm not and I guess I deserve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► but the funny thing is like this caveman that version of me that canoe does is kind of this oafish you know is he over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► the side of the karmic they've got the power. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► but the funny thing is that he kind of is this oafish weird not you know I'm not appealing he's not like you dream man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► and yet he is more attractive looking than I am so I'm actually quite happy with it because I think you may be a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► looking so I think I'll take it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► The that's the thing I find this because it's also been the second video that was made by another animator. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► Yes And is it a hey I shouldn't say hey for some reason I think because I saw the name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► He O'Shea took a couple of little clips from the pod cast and animated them as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► and I found that really interesting to look at as well to see us talking you know with no intent no video intent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► or anything seeing it turned into a video was quite something as you know was not that dusky is the name he took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► bunch of stuff and made a minute long animation out of it and I think it is adorable and surprisingly funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Yeah when you take the best bits of the show and just condense them down into one minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► and add some final animations along with it is probably only about one minute of funniness in the average. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► Sounds about right on the right but I think it is condensed to one minute and save us a whole lot of trouble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► Yes maybe I have found I sound like I mean we've both been making these You Tube videos for long enough that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► probably gotten used to people who enjoy them contacting us and doing nice things like drawing pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► and things like that to a point where maybe it's no longer a huge novelty but it still looks nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► but it's not a huge novelty. But I'm finding people doing it with the podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Mike I hope you know who take it like it's like it's like starting again from the very start because they're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► in different ways and they're drinking it in different ways and I have actually found that not really good fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► I really like that. Oh yeah I am. I'm with you on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► The I think it's also partly just that the podcast is of much smaller scale and it feels much more intimate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► Yeah well both in the on the listener's end I mean I can understand that feeling that we've discussed before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► when you listen to someone on a podcast you feel like you get to know them really well even though you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► and then we both are actively participating in the conversation that happens on Reddit after each one of these shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► and I feel like that is a big part of the show as well as the interaction afterward I mean a number of comments are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► But it's very fun to interact and it's and it's fun to see to see this kind of feedback and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► and yes I am I am much more aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and engaged with the podcast feedback than I am with some of the video feed back to the video feed back just feels so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► overwhelmingly large. Sometimes it's a little bit hard to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► and there are places where I have consciously turned that off like I've discussed I don't really look at the You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► So it's just a different it's a different experience because it is been very fun seeing seeing the creation that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► or the things I have been surprised that are that are the little running jokes that happened on Twitter where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► will you know reference just just an offhanded comment or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► but it's that same feeling of oh there's an ongoing little joke in this little corner of the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and I really like and I have a lot the one thing I do want to clarify or correct from the paper cuts jingo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► There is a line in the song that suggests. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► But I I do not like it when people know that I have and followed them on Twitter. Oh yeah I am neutral on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► The thing I don't like is when they confront me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► and ask me why I haven't followed them like a stranger just for the just for the record because you know I could stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► with sticklers for that kind of thing here we are. You've written here. Brady Atlas. Oh yes I absolutely love this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► You saw this thing you know what I'm talking about I'm not sure I do. It's not OK it's not ringing a bell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► Did you see this image. All right hang on the color. Actually I had seen that. OK so I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► This this is one of my favorite Mima fied little things that I've seen so far which is it is a scene from Beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► I think I think that's going to stand in the center image where someone it is guessed on the villain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► but he is in his his wood house and there are antlers all across the walls from all of his his successful hunting's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► and someone has just pasted your face over Stan's face who is sitting in his chair being very happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► and it just says I use antlers in all of my decorating and I think a picture is just great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► Briefly if I got this got quite a big laugh out of me. So yes who have ever made that thumbs up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► I reckon we can prove I thought it was great I got quite a laugh I showed it to my wife she really laughed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► and yes I thought that this was just perfect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► I'm definitely raising animals from the house before inviting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► and your wife if you always misunderstand now because I know what a day you'll be giving each other knowing looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► and snickering behind my back I can I can never make you understand my position on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► or I think you just intentionally riling me how it is that I don't want to live in my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and perfectly fine to have it was in your house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► Actually we were just discussing the other day that from the photos that we have seen you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► An excellent design aesthetic in your house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► It just happens to not be our aesthetic but that's because we're different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► but it is rare to have a billion seconds that would be like if I met up with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► and I said great what you think of my new trousers and you said well they could see you but I wouldn't wear them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► There is never a compliment right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► I mean it's so genuinely what you are refusing to understand what you think of my new video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► Well I think it's a good video for you to make but I would never make that video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► I think that's a reasonable thing to say when people make very different videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► Anyway I really like this is on my my favorite pieces of fan art so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► Again I just I still do not I am not comfortable with the word fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► but people seem to call it Fan Art I don't know if it's fair or not but it's fun it's not quite like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► I think I think people understand a concern. I know I do. I sometimes try to think of a better word to use than sand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3411">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► Sometimes I will use the word follower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► but then that's also weird I don't I don't like that word I mean Jesus had followers. He didn't have fans. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► Yeah maybe it was fans that he wears and I would love to hear suggestions from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► but I don't know maybe this is maybe this is just the uncomfortable ness of being in this position because it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► seem like other people have a problem with being fans I will use the word fan to describe myself for things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3439">TS</a>]
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00:59:25 ◼ ► I feel that we do need to follow up on your scathing unfair review of the movie was it unfair I don't think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► very well to do or I tell you what if it was unfair. I'll tell you what was unfair it was unfair of you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► Knowing that you think this film is a thumbs down it should not be watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► and you would recommend not watching it to people that you assigned it I don't know what all of them although as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► know you have you know you want to do this. You put words in my mouth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I didn't say that I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► but the whole reason I wanted to talk about is I thought it was an interesting it was an interesting movie to discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► and there are definitely things that you can watch that you don't necessarily like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► but that you can say are worth watching what's going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► Well what value is a thumbs down if you still think people should watch the film. Well quit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Well first of all the real value of that film wasn't listening to us discuss it later talking about what is the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► to fully enjoy the section where we talk about the movie to fully appreciate our wit and banter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► Yes I credibly insightful commentary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► You need to really watch the film in order to run that so I didn't I didn't tell people oh go watch this movie it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► awesome movie and also it's homework. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► People don't always like their homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► and that's what this was this was homework assigned to you to watch the movie and I wouldn't do this for a movie that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and has no redeeming value because I say we because we want everyone to watch Transformers three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► Difference over three so I wouldn't I wouldn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► but if I have no problem signing up for homework I feel like I feel no no conflict in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► I still have problem with your thumbs up or thumbs down classification. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► Yeah I have problems with that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► but I I think the number scales for movies can get weirdly arbitrary fast it's hard to it's hard to know what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► as fast as your sky or where you are either in the category of the Raiders of the Lost Ark and Citizen Kane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► or you get dumped with all the Transformers movies which you know I disagree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► You take in the great quest of the cation system is on the exact same level as the Transformers movies it's in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3712">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► A thumbs down category you know the old hold it together on the same shelf. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► Oh now explain that I don't have got a grading system that you're not telling me about what's going on here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► All right at the top the thumbs up thumbs down thing is a question of of expectations about a movie it is the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► point of it is to not rank all of the movies from Citizen Kane to Transformers that is a fundamentally meaningless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► endeavor to give you an example of OK here's a movie you know the movie Armageddon with Bruce Willis from the late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► ninety's. I've been thinking about that family because I just made a video about the probe that's gone to the comma. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► So I've been thinking about that family. I love that film. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► It's OK and I love it that well that is a movie I would give thumbs up Dharma get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► but because I think it is better than no you know if you know what I'm trying I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3772">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► I can't know what I think until you tell me what you're trying to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► My feeling of the thumbs up thumbs down thing is you are looking at a movie. It is called Armageddon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► Bruce Willis is on the front and it's about a comet smashing into the earth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► You have some notion that maybe this is not going to be an entirely serious movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► and you are going to watch that movie to be just straight up entertained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► and I think that Armageddon succeeds in that mightily. I really like Armageddon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► Honest to God I get emotionally moved at the president's speech at the end of the movie every time I think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► great I want to cheer their presence on the yeah you're right you know every impossible reach for the stars that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► brought a story like this is great her like i'm glad i think i don't know it's totally down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► but the movie just movies are so funny in this way that that they can sometimes sweep you away despite despite yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► because. On an intellectual level I can know. Boy this movie is really dumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► Boy nothing is even remotely scientifically accurate in this movie or these things would never happen this way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► But there's tons of stuff where I just don't care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► The ridiculous training montage in Armageddon you know what I love it every time it's stupid what are they even doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► I don't care at all and it's impossible to say why some movies pull it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► and other movies don't if I give that movie a thumbs up. It is successful at being what it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► So you're saying it's a bit like if Tiger Woods shoots around the Gulf in seventy six. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► and if I got around a ninety five I've had a miracle day so I deserve more credit than Tiger Woods for exceeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► expectations. I have I don't know what any to make them to start of the Senate and anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► Because you're saying like it's like if a little kid makes a finger painting you say well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3893">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► and now you know that it has an off day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► You're like well that's just not as good as your usual stuff because I say thumbs down here where the kid gets a thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► up. Now kids are different kids are different I've never seen a kid do something impressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► They're always showing you things. It's not impressive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► I've seen better paintings in that kid though a look at this is great no it isn't it's not good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► I feel it's so clear in my mind the only other thing that I would want to add to the thumbs up thumbs down thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► Like the bunch of movies you just don't care I don't like your problem with her is that it was nearly a it was nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► and because it didn't quite get your like SAG Well I don't want anything to do with you old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► and because you because you were nearly great whereas because Armageddon wasn't nearly great you're like OK well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► didn't you didn't you didn't tase me. That's not that's that's not too inaccurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► I find that stuff more frustrating the almost perfect stuff is way more frustrating than just total garbage that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3952">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► Or things that are indifferent and so yes I think for me a movie like that it is aiming very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► and in my estimation fails at what it is aiming at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► and so Thumbs Down movie some down of course handing by it of course the reason you watch this film in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► was because Mrs Gray put it on and we have had to do was ask what it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► when I think of what I saw I saw people in the road ask about that because we didn't bring that we did mention that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► your wife liked it more than you did I think it's fair. Yes she loves it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► I'll tell you something else about halfway back in a minute but let's see what Mrs Gray thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► Yes So this is actually just listen to Episode seventeen the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► and her as did as did a number of her opinion was she just thought I was being too kind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4004">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► And I said on the right that which I think is true is that her son's down makes my thumbs down look like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► enthusiastic thumbs up if you think I didn't like this movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► She really didn't like this movie much much more in tensely than myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► She thinks I am being far too kind to the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► and want to have all of you had almost just an inarticulate ball of rage at this movie as well as a as a ho as a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► who is not only in a relationship is married to I'm ashamed I have to respect her opinion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► Do you know what my wife pointed out something that neither of us noticed about the film which I think makes it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► clever she thinks the fact that Scarlett Johannson ended up being like she was that kind of Hi How you doing girlfriend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► touching rather than object or a mouse or a tree and read you going to be at the shops at three thirty P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► and the fact that that's what Scarlett Johanson became is actually the beauty of the operating system the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► systems become adapted to the people they were serving and became the people they're saving Nate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► when you're a sad lonely guy who's a bit romantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► and has just coming out of a break up exactly what sia donated at that time was just like a girlfriend. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► And there's a few things cooked into the film that hint. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► Because when you see the relationship between Amy Adams and her operating system that she uses in her time of need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► Harris is like a body like a mate and my wife is saying and that's exactly what women are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► when women go through a breakup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► They kind of just want like a mate to they can joke around with and talk about how rubbish men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► and that's exactly what an operating system becomes famous Adams Theodore like man you know kind of a bit more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4133">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► I kind of I think you know you seek a new relationship and want to feel loved and attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► and that's exactly what his operating system became And there's another hint to that earlier in the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► when Theodore before he has the operating system is going through that kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► Dating dating process and he's going through all the voices and he's skipping all the certain genres of women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► and then there's a certain one comes on that takes his fancy and eat and he talks to that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► and that one is very much like what Scarlett Johannson becomes so it's almost like earlier in the film they're setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► up the idea that the operating system is already going to know what he wants and what appeals to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► and mold itself to that earlier history and I thought that was an interesting observation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► Whether it's Russian I don't know but it was something we didn't discuss you know we didn't discuss it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► but I thought that was I mean that was the whole point of the the set up process like Johanson is based on those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► initial questions of the computer reading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Yes I know we talked about the fact that it taps to him but in such a specific way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► But the stuff with Amy Adams passed me by the fact that her relationship to the operating system was completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► different and much more. Anyway development another there are operating systems that totally hate their users. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► Yeah as background I'm not for everybody but there are a few people recommended things to watch that we should watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► Afterwards one of them was a series of television programs that had a while ago in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► and That they're produced by a guy called Charlie Brooker who I'm a really big fan of his his writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► and he was behind the series called Black Mirror which was a series of sort of forty five minute programs each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► self-contained and each a kind of little pace sort of other reflecting society on looking forward on society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► and looking at some of the darker aspects of society hence the Black Mirror and obviously I had seen them before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► I think maybe you hadn't but have since. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► Yeah I hadn't seen them and this was well done in the Reddit where people recommended them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► but this is exactly what you should do if you want we actually want something they recommended something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► but basically didn't describe it at all because that that is not what I really want in a recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► and what I'm looking for is an aggregate number of recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► and so in the discussion I noticed that a whole bunch of people mentioned Black Mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► and also didn't say anything about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► It is you should watch black mare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► and I happen to have one night to myself for I thought all the people mentioned this the other day I'm tired of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► the work. Let me let me try this out and I don't know the try the broker was involved I knew nothing about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► I just put it on and I thought these were. Rates they were they were really really captivating. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► Did you watch like o three in the first series or what once did you watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► Yes I I watched all of them over the course of two days I just basically binged it especially because these are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► are episodes it's really like almost like a modern Twilight Zone this is the closest thing that I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► and if you know that you also know that knowing anything about any of the episodes would just totally ruin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and so as soon as I saw the first couple and I thought Man these are great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► Suddenly I'm worried about spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► and so I thought well I have to watch all of them right now because I'm just going to be worried that I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► accidentally run into a spoiler for one of these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► But I've started watching should we not talk about it too much now and maybe set a voluntary homework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► and talk about another time or do you want to talk about them now because I haven't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► Having said what you just said that people shouldn't be told about them before watching it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► I'll have that people skip for a few minutes maybe or pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► and watch like we'll talk about it so part of the plot laughed at me or the people of this piece back in six hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► I think people do that in the last episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► People said they were listening and we got to the hair part I posed and went and watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► and then came back in this into the second half of the podcast I can see that people have the self-restraint to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► and I'm quite surprised so I know I guess this does not mean we can talk about some of the episode a little bit later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► but the the one that I just I think it is worth following up. Is it an episode called Be back soon and I think it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► Episode one of season two. Probably haven't watched that one that I haven't watched series to I'll come on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► Yeah sorry man I watched season one and I even write what I sent you the titles of the ones to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► What did you think was going on. Now forget now we have to stop. OK now it is homework. Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4433">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► I'm sorry I'm sorry everywhere that I have known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► but I saw that this is not that mirror anymore by the way I've run this is the movie I have saying that may be quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► long ago now that I saw that when it was quite nice. My memory of it is hazy but that's OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► Others I mentioned briefly that I think it is interesting follow up this is the other thing there were two things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► people mentioned all the time one was black mirror and there was moon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► Yet people gave a little too much information about moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► when trying to recommend it I think people just don't aren't sensitive to how little information can be spoilers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► Yes but unfortunately I had actually seen the trailer for moon a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► and I am cursed with this terrible memory in general but I can remember every So every single scene in a trailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and then when I watched the movie My brain is just counting down the scenes that I haven't seen yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and I have just had that ruined so many movies for me where I just seen a single freaking clip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► and then it just rushes everything like Attack The Block with an alien movie takes place in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► and There was a single frame that I saw by accident once about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► and then the whole movie I'm waiting for that frame which of course is that the editors anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► It's amazing what can ruin a film tell you because sometimes people just saying I love the film it's got like such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► Only that you know even that is ruining something because maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► when you're watching it you could have a really bad ending happening so I want that to still be on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► Yeah this is this is also I think I've mentioned it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► but the frustrating thing of people saying oh this is a great movie and it has a twist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► That's a spoiler but telling someone there's a twist is ruining the twist it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► Heaven forbid if they were the people who recommended moon a little too much information in those recommendations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► people but I had seen the trailer so I didn't mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► But just as a quick obvious spoilers for moon coming up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► but a quick little follow up that I thought was interesting to mention is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► There I was complaining about too much computer racism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► At the end of the last of her where you have the voices in movies that are computers are generally the villains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► or computers are usually the villains in movies and moon did a very interesting take on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► and the brief set up is that there is a guy and he is working on this moon base all by himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► and there is a robot that is working along side of him and the robot is Kevin Spacey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► and basically this movie I thought did a really good job of using your expectation that the robot is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► villain against you in the movie. Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► You are waiting for this robot voiced by Kevin Spacey which is voiced in this very monotone way to turn evil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► And he never does. But they clearly play with your expectations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► I thought I thought it was interesting and it was really well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► and what I really liked this is just for future writers of robots. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► or computer movies is the other comical the absurd moment where the the computer outgrows programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► or you know like suddenly develops feelings or something dumb like that and I think well I guess it's not a robot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► and I guess it's magic to this it suddenly changes the whole nature of the story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► What I really liked in Moon was that they kept things consistent that from the robot's perspective it was programmed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► And it turns out that it is assisting the main character in in a way that seems to be operating against what is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► to do but I thought it was handled perfectly the robot never does anything inconsistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► Yeah things like Oh my my job is is to help the main character and that's what I'm going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► and he really does help the main character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► and it's it was a really kind of touching little emotional response to this robot especially because that movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4671">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► Again highlighted in some ways the robot isn't different but he is also just there to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► and he was to help Sam Rockwell So anyway people recommended moon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► I liked it I thought it was good very very good film. Do you know what that's there and a follow up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► Actually I actually I don't if you want to talk about this I have a question for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► Wow And you're a great journalist journalist you don't have to answer that you don't want to but I am curious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► I'm you know people. Suddenly everything is turned right around it's like the robots have grown. I'm curious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► People may not know this but you do not swear I do not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► Well there are it depends on your definition of swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► but there are there are there are certain words I say that people would consider a swear word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► but most of the classic swear words the classic I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► and have never said not even once so I am I am curious as to why this is or what is what is your reasoning behind this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► They each know that Congress is no reasoning like the reason I don't do it now I suspect liken taken straight into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► My wife sometimes I go on just say you know what I am aware as you say the word I am going to say just once for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► because she swears a bit and say she she would find it funny if I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► and I'm just like no I don't do it because once I do like I can't I've lost that little I've lost the streak of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► never said that word and when you say never you mean never from childhood never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► Yeah I guess I mean you know I was probably I was probably a good boy and tell him not to swear when I was young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► He just listened and you know my my mum was a formidable person so I would probably would not at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4789">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► One thing that she didn't want me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► and you know of all the of all the things that most things I was told not to do was a little boy I did eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► but that's just one that I didn't and I still don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► So that's where you know there are some words like I said there are some words that would be classified as a swear word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► I will say the other Swear words are remarkably and of us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► when making podcasts Apple has a requirement that you label a podcast explicit if certain words are spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► but there is no official list anywhere. Leave it up to you because I know what the words are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► Well this is actually quite a funny thing that's happened to me that I've I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► We should probably talk about this to say that you know that I have recently had issues with comments on the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► were outside of that I've had enough of people being abusive to my contributors and doing inappropriate things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► but there is a mechanism on You Tube where you can create a blacklist of words that come to eventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► and the other comments go through a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► So I've been doing a bit of testing of that to see whether or not that will help some of these problems in the bud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► but if words on this list appear now come to May first just to to take to make sure they're not being used in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► they shouldn't be used to you know. Some racist or offensive or abusive stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► So as as a result of doing that I'm having to keep a list of words which I'm constantly adding to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► and as I look at comments and look at the way that people can be abusive in the things they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► when they're abusive I will try and pluck out the key words from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► and add them to this list so I can come up with this list of you know what words of flight were unacceptable words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► Some of them can be unacceptable in strange ways and could be very specific to the people in the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4911">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► So I have got this list of just called up now and I can't rate it because the words other words I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► but I've got this funniness that if anyone ever walks past my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► and I've got them on a sticky note at the moment one of those happens I think if anyone ever comes it might stick in X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► I've got this one sticking off to the side which is just this stream of stream of every rude word you could think of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► Interlinked with other strange words like you know a missing piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► or something because some people making some comments that were inappropriate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► There are a few other words so it's an interesting person who does not swear has a constant visual reminder of all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► that and is like copying and pasting this list everywhere and rating over time and saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► and I guess I still I still feel a bit unsatisfied with your answer though is it is it entirely just the streak you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► don't want to break the streak. I feel they can't that can't be the whole reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Do you know what I'm really struggling to answer not for lack of not not out of any kind of cautiousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► or privacy it's just I mean I think I think for a lot of people swear words are just words they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► when they can't think of something better to say that that's not that doesn't mean I think I'm like you know too clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► to swear and in fact sometimes a well used swear word is very funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► and I sometimes wish I had some of those words in my arsenal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► when I was making a joke because it could it could add a certain amount of impact to funniness But so there is a part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► of me that thinks the swearing is like unnecessary because I can usually think of what I want to say without swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► but what kind of an answer tonight. I think I'm fairly kind of moral and you know you think it is immoral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5028">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► Well no no I don't think it's immoral to swear. All of my friends swear and I think well you swear words are funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► I'm never offended by other people swearing at all as this is what I am sometimes suddenly self-conscious around you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► If we meet up. You hardly ever swear you are of your very last where really I feel like I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► I swear more than I would like to know but usually you swear so infrequently that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► when you swear I even notice that you swore that's how you do notice so I should feel that I don't notice that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► when a lot of my other friends swear because I swear all the time that you do a certain frequency that's like our greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► wear hats or does not like it I think it really is just Strake. I think it is just like it's like a novelty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► Like what happens when you really hurt yourself though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► and if you drop a hammer on your toe that's not those was never occurred to me to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► Like people always say that I can believe in you hell you so if you don't swear. Well it's like that never. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► I'm much more likely to say gee whiz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► or Galileo just because they are the words that come then who is that automatically come to me I don't think the swear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► So I don't think it's like the natural thing to do I think it's a learned I think swear words are a learned thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► and and because I haven't learned I don't I don't know but I don't. Have a problem with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► I don't it's no big deal it's not a big deal to me and anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► and for me it's just like it's like a novelty now so I said I want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► Precisely because as I said I do feel uncomfortable sometimes we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► and if i swear i'm suddenly aware of a rise you to guidance where you know it might be in your head you have a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► moral checklist you go marital Absolutely and I know and trust me I have many many vices that are worse and swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► and I would say oh now that now. OK enough with the swearing in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► What is your worst vice I mean like I think I think swearing is not a big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► I don't encourage I don't encourage it and I don't think it would encourage like you know a child to start swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► I'm not like you know somebody's goody two shoes person who thinks Swearing is a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► I just happen to not do it just like I think a lawn bowls is a perfectly legitimate sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► but I just I play so well that I would watch on T.V. I don't know much about lawn bowls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► Sounds really exciting you know exciting. OK All right. I was curious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► Well and that was that was her thinking that if you told me you must tell me your advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► and then you just blow off the question I didn't get an answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► Well I mean you know there are some questions that people just said but you know you brought it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► when you weren't happy with the answer the first time I went What was the worst vice that you'd be willing to admit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► say a podcast. Well the one I was thinking of when I said that was a thing badly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► I would I would happily stop swearing if it meant I was able to have the self-control to not eat rubbish that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► boring face. Thumbs down. I want a different vice a little gluttony as not interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► Well either of us as I am I can be quite lazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► I can protest and I'm not impressed when we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► when we're off the air I want to hear about the worst life that you will what's the worst advice you did me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► and I missed a secret he won't even tell us what's on his checklist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► I don't know I think I think maybe it's a problem with the word vice I don't know I mean I've got a huge cocaine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► problem if I want to get fat is exactly what I'm interested in. All right now let's talk about the life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5271">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► All I did and I didn't really think about the past but if you want to hear about that that's my that's my mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► What's your worst boss I don't know I'm not sure I I think I am suddenly realizing that this is a problem with the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► Things Everyone can be kind of lazy and unproductive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► and those those are the things I would often say I dislike about myself the most is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► when I'm not being optimally productive about stuff. But is that a vice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► I don't know if that's a that's a vice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► or you know maybe I can end up sometimes playing video games longer than I should. That's that's kind of a got me vice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► You know I don't do cooking them so I don't want to clear that up just in case people are thinking that we have just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► case this is tentative evidence I do not take drugs. You know I've never even smoked a cigarette. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► Look at you and you have you ever smoked a cigarette. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► I am shockingly boring in this way I have I have never done any illegal drugs and I have never smoked cigarettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► and now I would feel like the risk reward scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► and that was never profitable so I will say also I was never cool enough in high school to be in a whole picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► So certainly you are you asking all the time as would be given to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► Well look I guess you and we are going to be hanging out today at the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► and yeah not a lot of underage drinking and smoking cigarettes and doing blow at the library the rest of a lot of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► and your parent your parents are not really worried about you I'm really worried about him you know he's just all he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► doing is reading today he's not doing drugs he's not I'm going to with the cool kids that actually that actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► It was and it was my friend's concern that he's just not socializing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► and what are you going to do some drugs that can feel a lot better if you were more popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► We're getting into more trouble but shockingly boring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► and honest we are going to see that that is the bottom line I think I think the fact we've been talking for an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► and forty five minutes we haven't even talked of anything it is an indication of how we have to talk about something if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► you want to talk about monkey copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► Let's talk about monkey couple OK let's pick something that's not the follow up we could at least have one thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► talk about I want to talk about monkey copy I did enjoy a little after school special. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► SAY NO TO DRUGS section and don't swear. Although I'm sure that was the conclusion to draw but it was boring people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► It was it was more kind of US regressing not doing drugs more than I only I was cooler. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5452">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► Tell me about monkey copier you know that you know the guy at the center of this story you're about to know that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► lives in my little patch of England here so me I guess I'm showing a bit of parochial an affair because I guess lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► people live in London and every time some big knock when there's a story about the prime minister on T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► You know he lives in the same city as me. This is my local this is my local news sort of background shining through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► If some someone is in an international story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► and they're from like my patch of the world it's suddenly a more important story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► If you ever look up a place on Wikipedia you always know that the place is not a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► when the Wikipedia article about it has a section that isn't titled notable people from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► I'm always really aware of that because basically any place is a place that doesn't have a notable people from San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► Francisco. If they don't include that because there's a billion people from San Francisco that they give you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5513">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Often if you have to enumerate the people from your place is not a notable big snob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► My big snob that's when I snobby I think though I think that's just true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► If a place is a real huge place you can't possibly list of notable people from it just because there are millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► people what a ridiculous thing to say. What do you mean an absolutely ridiculous thing to say I think it's a truism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► Are you saying that the town of Grantham in Lincolnshire is not a place. Is that what you're saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► Granted it's the tan that Margaret Thatcher came from. Oh yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► Rent them but it's not a place according to you it doesn't exist. I'm looking it up. Notable people there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► I'm not you know I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Yes I saw you said it's not a place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► Let me let me try to refine my thinking about it. Sound of a no no I guess what I mean is the only hope for the better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5571">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► Man I'm going to look up at will I heard notable people I like at the very top of the list they have a serial killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► from Grantham who beats out Margaret Thatcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► Beverley applet serial killer from Grant I'm not going to have a head of a English serial killer who convicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► convicted of murdering four children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► and attempting to murder three others causing grievous bodily harm to a further six children. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► Margaret Thatcher may get on a developing Adelaide where I'm from that's OK doesn't have a notable people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► OK OK OK I says Isaac Newton is from Grantham yesterday. OK OK OK this is mostly by you know by the serial killer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► Well she's at the top of the list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► OK OK This is my feeling about the notable people section which Pedia its purpose seems to build up the place that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► is describing. But for me it has the exact opposite effect it diminishes the place by feeling the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5632">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► Need to list the notable people that come from it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► I think that is that is the more articulate version of the feeling that it gives me that that is fair enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► and a little bit less than a little bit less. I live in London and nobody else matters but I'm not from London. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► I guess that's the feeling that I have about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► I don't mean it in a snob in a snobbish way I just think that that that section always seems to do the opposite of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► it is intending to do that by the very fact of saying look at all the notable people from this place in my mind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► makes me feel like that place is less notable not more notable and I care. I understand the logic of what you say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► I see another side to that. I do see another side to that as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► Like where could say despite despite not having the advantage of a huge swarming population we still have produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► people that are able to make it on the world stage so I think that saying look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► but we still pack a punch which you couldn't argue with that something only a small party would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► and always with these notable people's actions what I'm really curious about is how many of these notable people lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► in that place as opposed to how many of them were born there and then left after high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► and then all have the notable thing came later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► But that's what I would really like is there any notable people who also spent their entire life in this place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► Section I think it's a little weird that a place gets to lay claim to somebody because they you know they happen to pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► into existence in this location and maybe didn't spend a whole lot of time there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► But anyway that's a whole separate issue as we talk about monkey copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► and then you created me somehow I think is what happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► So this guy I told you that the guy at the center of monkey monkey copyright was from like know even from the town I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► from just from this section of England news so you know the guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5752">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Now if I had pulled up I tried to be prepared and I pulled up some links before and I seem to have lost all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► or my other well OK OK So I want I knew which I tried to parrot a little. Prepare a little bit and so here we go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► So for those unaware the basic story is this guy David Slater who is a nature photographer in two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► and eleven went to Indonesia and he was there to do wildlife photography and the interesting thing that happened is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► when he was there basically some monkeys handled his camera equipment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► and ended up taking pictures of themselves with his camera and he Sophie's basically yeah it's a monkey selfie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► and take great pictures that are amazing that I have to say the one picture that this is really primarily about I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5813">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► put a link to in the stone people to death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► and look it is an amazing photograph that this monkey took of himself he had he has a smile he has these striking red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► It is just a really striking photographs and the guy has a few more on his Web site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► but it's about one photograph in particular they are just amazing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► But the question the question about this is does the photographer David Slater own the copyright to this image or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► And I saw this happen in two thousand and eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► when the story first broke in a bunch of newspapers are posting it primarily to say looking this amazing photograph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► this monkey selfie. Yeah you know it's a cute photograph. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► But what has happened is it has escalated which is that is actually going to court because he is contending the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5870">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► The copyright belongs to him because we Kapadia it's become like a lookup eighty A picture has an affair. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► So if it's on Wikimedia Commons which is a resource that I use all the time to try and find public domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► and certain kinds of creative commons images and they listed on Wikipedia as being able to be used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► Now the funny version of this story which I'm going to say almost certainly a whole bunch of times throughout this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► The headline in newspapers who don't care to fact check things is that the argument is that the monkey owns the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► copyright to your picture because you took his own picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► and you will see this headline in careless newspapers who are uninterested in the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► and are more interested in selling newspapers the actual the actual argument is that the photograph is public domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► because there is no author of the photograph that was really what you were guilty of this headline we started to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► about it and you said let's talk about monkey copyright. Yes that's exactly right. So I am not a newspaper now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5930">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► but I'm still going to talk about monkey copyright because I am tickled by the notion of a monkey owning the copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► to an image I think this is a fascinating fascinating question about whether what is the copyright of this image does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► it go to the photographer or. Go to the monkey or does it go to nobody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► You seems like you familiar with the story do you have any initial thoughts about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► You think the monkey gets a copyright nobody is the copyright he is the copyright What do you think I think he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► get the copyright. Why do you think that just fills the field. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► What happened he left the the monkey picked up the camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► He didn't intend for the monkey to pick up the camera to take that monkey just did it or did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► or was he trying to trick the monkey into doing it because he thought it would be a cool picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► I'm not one hundred percent clear but from what I've read it reads like he's left unattended in the monkey just played. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/5990">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► I mean if he tried to trick the monkey into doing it and so this would be classic and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► and did a certain behavior a number of times hoping the monkey would copy it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► Then I definitely think the copyright is his. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► If the monkey just picked it up of its own volition he didn't intend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► or expect it to happen I think it becomes a gray area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► This is I'm calling on my extensive study on your copyright law here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► but my underlying like just gut feeling is that it should belong to him because I feel like it should belong to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► and if it's going to belong to anyone I have to come to him and it should belong to him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► But why that's the case I cannot say. Maybe it's not the case. I don't and what do you what what's your feeling on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► Yes it's interesting because I was trying to pull up his his web page and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► I have what is currently his web page now but you can also go to the Wayback Machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► and he's changed the wording on his website about the situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► It originally is not really described very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► but then there are newspaper reports of him talking about leaving the camera equipment around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► and then the monkey takes the picture. Yep and then the current description is A is A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► I don't think he's doing this as an on purpose but it's a bit ambiguous as as to what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► but it sounds much more like he was intentionally leaving the equipment around for the monkey to take the picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► Now I can certainly see how that story would help his case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► but it's funny because the impression that I get is that this this story gained ground in the first place with the monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► selfie version of it. Yeah and then it becomes a legal problem and now there is this description which is of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6112">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Him taking a much more active role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► and I think both of those things can be true it can be true to describe it as a monkey selfie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► and it can also be true that he set it up so that the monkeys could take selfies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► but I'm not saying that he's changing his story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► or it's just either way tales are relevant do you think the circumstance changes the copyright situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► The pictures like I said maybe it would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► So it's funny because my I think this makes me think of is my wife and I used to be very avid photographers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and kind of competitive about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6148">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► We did a couple road trips across America and we would often compete to get the better photograph. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► and I think I was very natural in couples I think to think that they had a they had a master photographer in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► ones and my wife is definitely not a photographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► and I was always hugely frustrated because I would take ten thousand photographs and try to get one good photograph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► and then she would just casually like oh this looks good. Click one perfect beautiful means no retouching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► So she was always just great about it but we we had a rule that the copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► Belongs to the person camera so she uses my camera at the copyright for that image is mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► and if I use her camera the copyright is hers because honestly we just grab stuff was that I said was that to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► arguments later ever who took the picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► That's exactly this is the only reasonable rule even if it doesn't strictly make sense we just have to leave this down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► as a couple How could you have photos that you're having like as is just a bidding war every time you go take a photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► but you have to lay down the rules we need to make it clear about what happened with photographs that all couples lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► down your rules about these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► So anyway so this is a question that we went with the yeah the copyright resides with the equipment for different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► reasons but for different reasons but but but I think this is this is just so interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► and it is my my my gut reaction. Just a fun reaction is I want the monkey to have the coffee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6232">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Right this image that's just great I love the idea about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► Why are we being so human centric with this notion that only humans can have copyrights to their works cannot the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► monkey own the copyright to his selfie do not the whales own the copyright to their music. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► It seems like we should be so human centric in these things but if I was if I was a judge and I was sitting down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► and I go OK OK Everybody we have to be we have to be serious about this now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► Yeah what is the situation I would say that the same thing that taking this guy's description at his word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► He set up a scenario under which this might occur. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► And so he should own the copyright to the image even if he was not the one pressing the shutter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► What if it's not not even this case just what if someone had their pick their camera picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► and just taken by the monkey like a tourist had their i Phone snatched and took a picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► Do you think that's different and that person wouldn't then own the copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► Yeah this is this is why it's such a difficult thing I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► And I actually saw this happen at the at the London Zoo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► They have this this big open area where you can walk in the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► and there's a whole bunch of monkeys in this is this is a few years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► and they have these big signs everywhere saying don't take out your phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► or your cameras the monkeys love to steal them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► I thought some tourist took out their phone to take a picture of these little adorable monkeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► and he just swung down from the tree and grabbed it and ran off with delight at his new toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► and I don't know if people forget animals a fast art Mantell an animal does something you don't expect us to do it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► don't realize that a bit quicker than us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► Yes that's exactly it hymns we have we have no advantages to living in nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► and monkey you're never going to catch that monkey in a million years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► But you're also never going to see it coming you think I'll have a monkey makes a move for my camera. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► I'll just put it away and it won't now. But they're so quick your reaction times are so slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► Yeah it's like the monkeys in Gibraltar if you go on You Tube you can find a million hilarious clips of the monkeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► and apparently the only reason they do it is because it is funny that this is how the monkeys past a time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► If they know that it's a big reaction out of people and they just love it so monkeys are nothing but trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► but good photographers look at restaurants so yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► Here think if you go with a situation where the copyright resides with the equipment there's an interesting problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► with that which is talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► when people use photo booths that the photo booth owns the copyrights to the image that the company that set up a photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► booth they actually own the copyright to images taken inside a photo booth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► I think there's some weird situations about having copyright reside with equipment that is that is used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► And here is a scenario that I think of as the most interesting version I imagine this was not a monkey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► Imagine that this guy was reaching some and contacted peoples. So in Brazil there are and contacted human tribes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► If this whole scenario happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► But he was just with a tribe that had no experience with technology and so had no expectation of what a camera does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► and does basically what these monkeys did which was looking at their reflection in the lens and pressing the buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► I think if it's if it's an uncontracted person that human should get the copyright to the image even if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► photographer is setting up the whole situation so that it would happen even if the person doesn't have any idea like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► monkey what's going to happen when they press the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► They should have the copyright to that so I find copyright residing with equipment problematic you know reminds me of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► story that I've known for many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► but I now look at it in a whole new light because of what we've just been talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► and there is a guy I used to work with in Australia was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► and still is one of the world's best cricket photographers you know photographing games of cricket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► He's excellent He's like you know he's the best in the world in my opinion. And hey you stay at cricket matches. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6471">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► I would say in all the different places around the ground where he thought he would get the best angles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► and the best sports shots but he would also set up a second camera at the top of a grandstand looking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► and he would he would fix on a tripod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► and set it at the part of the the ground where the batsman was where the action was most likely to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► Kind of home plate in baseball you know he would have a just a good shot of home plate like the cricket equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► and he would get like a trainee photographer to sit there with it so it didn't get stolen or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► and get knocked over or anything like that but he had like a remote control to take the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► and the trainee was in there to touch it because I always think I want to get the training to do it good practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► and you know they can tell when something amazing is happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► But whenever he was around the ground doing his own pictures and e-zine things more his fire angles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► when something happened like a like a big wicket or a big interesting thing happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► He would just press this remote button and it would fire off ten shots really quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► I always thought that was because he distrusted his knowledge of the game and his his knowing his feel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► when this is a good moment to photograph to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► and he didn't trust the trainer he got the tranny would miss Mr magic moment because he didn't read the game as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► and they realize this was purely a copyright thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► Yeah although I wonder I mean this is this is a strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► but the you work for a contractor work for work for hire situations where people are producing artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► but the copyright. It goes to a company. Oh yeah yeah of course yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► But there are also plenty of really weird situations with that we're trying to lock down something as a work for hire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► You can run into all sorts of weird problems so I would be surprised at the trainee actually did have some kind of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► for hire contract. But even still he just was a double to make sure that he is like an iron clad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► This is my work it's not your work argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► Yeah I can't help it as as looking at this this monkey paid to have these few monkey picture staring at me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6592">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► That's what the situation is with the monkeys and then below he says it is a totally humbling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► and almost beyond my ability to write here experience so we have humbling use on this monkey copyright page I just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► caught my eye that it probably is humbling if you're a professional photographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and a monkey does a better job than you do. That's what we have proper use of humbling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► It might be although he has plenty of other dramatic monkey photos this guy is clearly no slouch with the wildlife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► Oh there he is complaining that he's he's really crying poor on this like I read an interview with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► and he said you know I haven't got a lot of money and I need the money from this picture so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► but anyway it's an interesting argument and I I do sympathize with him if I if I through luck or circumstance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► The thing is you know these guys these photographers spend all their life waiting for a lucky moment because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6650">TS</a>]
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01:51:12 ◼ ► and he doesn't he's not getting He's not cashing in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► Yeah the wildlife photography in particular is basically a kind of lottery that a lottery that you pay with in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► and you hope to get one winning image out of there. But but yes I I just I think it is an interesting story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6683">TS</a>]
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01:51:51 ◼ ► Ultimately all this stuff has to be decided by a court somewhere on each individual case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► and so a judge I'm not exactly sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► Where where the legal disagreement is taking place but a judge somewhere it somewhere is going to have to rule on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► Is this a public domain image or is this a is this his image and I will be very curious to see which way that goes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► So Monday copyrights I hope the monkey just about right. Not really I hope he gets it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► When you make another video going coming this is this is that there's a thing I alluded to earlier which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6753">TS</a>]
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01:53:11 ◼ ► and I just I want this project to be done and over with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6791">TS</a>]
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01:53:20 ◼ ► and so that that is what I have been working on that is also partly why I have delayed this podcast recording one week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► because I was just too much in the in the middle of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► but it is a very frustrating long boring process that hopefully will be over soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► I never I never want to work with video clips ever again. Every video I learned a lesson on what not to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► Video online. Don't ever do law again. Video on medicine no that's a terrible topic as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► And now a video that is primarily composed of video clips. That's also a terrible idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► It is so time consuming and if the thing comes out. As of right now it looks like it'll be. About twelve minutes long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6832">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► Gosh yeah that's that's forever for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► but I have been finding that it takes about a day per minutes to make a minute of things on screen because finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► video clips is a million times harder than drawing exactly what I want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► Yeah I'm trying I'm trying to I don't know if it'll work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6859">TS</a>]
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01:54:28 ◼ ► video but I know that that is also impossible to to accomplish so it is all just a nightmare I'll be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► when it's over but I look forward to a photo hopefully we'll talk about it in the next podcast. I don't know maybe not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6874">TS</a>]
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01:55:05 ◼ ► couldn't justify. But I have no expectations of how well it will do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMVMczpM/6905">TS</a>]