00:00:01 ◼ ► If you want to get a glass of water a diet coke right now why don't you do that just to have it just to have it I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► be bothered getting up too much I do sometimes what I have in front of me I have I have not one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► but four beverages to drink. Like in preparation for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/16">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► So are you sure you don't want to get something I just want to go for a long time before drink seems excessive You need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► to be prepared that's why I'll be OK I buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/25">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► when I went down the Grand Canyon on the hottest day you've ever saying with that water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/28">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► Oh my God I actually knew he does that. Yeah I bet you did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► Because that's that's just crazy but you know I'm hard as nails. You've been off the grid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/36">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► Had had to contact you when on holiday. Yeah I guess I could have been hard to contact or harder than usual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/48">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► I shamed you having like a big software update or a big like system reboot or something somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► You know you're plugged into a wall some ways it was that simple I wish it were that simple but no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/59">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► In order to recharge after a rather difficult and stressful and anxiety filled summer I have to resort to sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/66">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► and lounging just like everybody else I cannot simply just plug into the wall and reboot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► and do a software update that would be much better IMO I would prefer that quite a lot to me that what you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/80">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► when you take a break you know how do you recharge is that what what what does a great vacation to use your terminology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/86">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► to use the American terminology. What is a great great cation a great occasion I like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/94">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► If I have gotten really used to the holiday terminology this is you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► when you live abroad you end up sometimes flipping the words sometimes I can even hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► when I edit the podcast back that used different words. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► Twice I like holiday sounds like it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► but like a great patient it's also quite a broad is another word that I found. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► And like in Australia you don't say a broad you know I say overseas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/120">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► and whenever I say overseas that's another one my wife's last second she thinks it's funny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► Stradley it's Think of all places as you know over the sea and whereas English people would you say broad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/128">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► Yeah the overseas thing that's I would say that's also pretty common in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► and it is it is not ridiculous to hear american say something like your throat you like Brazil as being overseas even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/141">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► though there is a direct land path from the result. You have no seed to cross to get to Brazil. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/149">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► So in the US Are you more likely to hear abroad or over say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► when referring to just other countries outside the US I feel like overseas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/159">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► You know if I feel like that's the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► but I'm sure we'll hear from people who who never would use that term will only use the exact correct term all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► but if I think like growing up I would hear overseas much more often to refer to places that were not America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/173">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► I mean obviously in a strata you can't go abroad without going over say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/180">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► but I'm not sure that's this phase into this discussion anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► Anyway tell me about the great cation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and look at the great isn't just a little tidbit I have to work in here now which is my favorite term for places that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/190">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► are other where you know you have is Alaska the use of the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/196">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► and the outside is their phrase for everything that is not Alaska [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► and I have absolutely love that I find it is both a charming phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► but it also sounds like something you'd expect villains in a horror movie to refer to as right like oh you're here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/214">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► some isolated town that's really scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► and all the people in that little town refer to would be outside right is everything beyond the borders of their town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/223">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► and Alaska does have the best state flag in my opinion. We're not we're not doing this again. I'm just saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/229">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► But obviously up in the King over those legs of its unsolder brouhaha you caused. And I'll decide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► Alaska is my favorite but I don't I'm going to say it's a good one as we go on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► OK OK So great Cajun for some people I might be the worst traveler in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/244">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► That's how they would regard the way I vacation because when I travel at least lately I tend to see almost nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/254">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► The couple of great cations I have taken of late have been all about relaxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/265">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► and nothing about seeing anything actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► With almost a year ago now my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/274">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► and I we took a vacation with me in London just to the other side of the city they were in the hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/276">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and it was pushing it a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► What that was all about just being someplace different for a few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/288">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► and not doing very much so yeah you know I went up to I went up to York which is a very lovely city I was quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/294">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► impressed by New York but I did not do very many of the classic tourist things when you go up there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► We just walked around the city a little bit but mostly we just relaxed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► and for me that tailed just a whole lot of reading really on my Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/313">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► and not really very much out there just a time for me to kind of have my brain shut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/320">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► and to very consciously say OK I'm going to carve out these few days and I'm not going to worry about anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/324">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► And a key part of of this that I found works really well is also the eliminating contact with the outside world as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/330">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► as possible. So over those days I did not check my email at all and I think I only posted something on Twitter once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/338">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► But even then I was very aware of I'm logging on to post this but I'm not even going to look at any of the replies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/346">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► and I don't go on places like Reddit and I don't check my R.S.S. Feed very much and I want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► We isolated from the outside world experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► and that is that is deeply almost calming to be disconnected from things like well it's just me and my book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/362">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► and that's that's all that there can be. I'm not going to let all of these external things into my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/371">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► Does that take a lot of willpower is a hard feat to not just press that button on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► and see how many emails you in your inbox or do you find that an easy decision to have made. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► Well you know e-mail is particular because I don't have e-mail set up on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/386">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► or my i Pad It's just normally I have a I mentioned before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► but I have an outgoing only e-mail systems on my phone on my i Pads So I don't even in my normal daily life I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/395">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► want the option to be able to check my e-mail when I'm standing in line somewhere. But with Twitter and the R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/403">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Feeds and Reddit I deleted the apps from my phone and from my i Pad and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/410">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► But this is this is why the Kindle is a really key piece of technology for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► and why I have to deal with this frustrations I can't get away from it is because I love that the Kindle is a dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/421">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► piece of technology you know it does. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► This is for reading books you want to check Twitter on it I mean in theory you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/429">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► but it's going to take you ninety minutes to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► It is basically just a book reading device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► and that that allows your brain to be much more effortlessly focus on the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/440">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► and to not be worried about everything else whereas reading on the i Pad It's like well the whole world is always just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► like two clicks away of that home button and the whole world can be quite distracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/452">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► when you just want to read a book you have to set up the right systems I'm not a big believer in willpower as a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/457">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► it's all about the structure that is around you and what what behaviors that encourages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► or discourages that's that's the way I would I would put it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► You mention that you went away with your wife is she cool with this you just saying I'm going to sit in a corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/473">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► and read my book all day. She like come on I want to go out and climb a tree or walk up a mountain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/478">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► We were there for three full days on each day we spent like half a day doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/486">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► and that something we actually just walking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► I told you not to go to that god awful Viking Museum in New York tell me you didn't go there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/495">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► and then I mentioned that you were against this which seemed to have the exact opposite effect it makes my wife much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/502">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► more interested in going in than if I had just said nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/509">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► and we could continue to walk by the Viking museum she said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► Brady thought it was terrible Well what's inside of it what she's thinking that means maybe it's really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► Or was she just curious about why I thought it was terrible or just using me as a yardstick of like opposite ness. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► If after the house heard debacle she thinks if I don't like something maybe it's good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/527">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► Very I think I think it was just a like a bad movie in fact where a plane about a moving oddly was a terrible it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/534">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► entices the other person to watch the movie and it really wasn't that bad I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► but you don't go in to know we didn't go in and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► when I said I have to do something like the Do Something is in gigantic quotations because one of the do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► mornings was we just went to the famous restaurant up there called Betty's I think it is which is in the center square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/556">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► and we had breakfast at Betty's which was wonderful I thought it was going to be just a tourist trap place that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/563">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► normal breakfast but it was great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/569">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► Totally go and if you go get their Jamaican Blue coffee it is excellent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/571">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► and you see also occurred I have internet overhead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► and have her sponsorship on her shows how we're not going to get an endorsement from the Viking museum there is no we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/582">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► I should have e-mailed them you got a cold and he said to the listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► when we went away recently to Morocco it's the same thing we had to scuba relaxing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/595">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► Hold it as well and you know people saying Oh would you like to do a day trip to the village [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► and watch the locals you know weave a carpet and stuff and we were like no we want to do nothing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/604">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► when you do that the smallest things become a big deal like yeah we would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► Yeah there are a couple of camels in the stables and we would go and chop up some apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► and fade the camels for like ten minutes and that was like the thing we did that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► and you'd be reminiscing about if I was left with so I remember what we fed the camels as you sit by the PO doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/622">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► It's funny how I would have guessed that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► and the Mrs would be the exact opposite I would have guessed that you two would be we need to see everything kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/631">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► travel and I I'm not going to really change it's really changed I think you go through cycles in life like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/637">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and I went through a cycle of you know you got to you know you suck the marrow out of life and all that sort of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/644">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► But now with life being just so busy all the time I think on it when I have a holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/651">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► and my wife is the same way we very much seek out. Places where we can do nothing and where and where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/657">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► Effort to get there and settle in will be the absolute minimum that is definitely something that's changed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/664">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► You're on a work trip if I go away for work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/670">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► I'm the opposite of you know you got a seat you don't get as much as you can and feel that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and that's you know you get as much bang for your buck as you can. Holiday Now I'm more in your camp. Do nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/677">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► So do you do you try to do a digital detox them as well or not I say that I say I will and then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/685">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► but I try to say is that why you wanted to know how I got about not checking the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/696">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► Yeah yeah I want to be more like me in this case. Yeah I guess I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/701">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► I always envy your your discipline and self control and I think that's an amazing trait you have that I don't have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/705">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► I still say that self-control is overrated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► If you're relying on self control you are relying on the wrong thing so I realize I heard you laugh a little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► When I said that I deleted the app from my phones so do you delete the apps from your phone. No I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► Well well there we go. I think we have come to the heart of the matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/725">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► I can guarantee you that if I if I left Illian blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► and tweet bot on the front page of my personal i Pad I would have looked at them a heck of a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► and I can guarantee that that would have happened. So you had to remove the temptation more thoroughly than I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/740">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► Yes I mean I barely I didn't take my laptop with me and I barely use my i Pad at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/746">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► but on my i Pad the home screen was I think it was only like Instapaper and Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► and i Books I think were the only things that were on the on the home screen my i Pad at that at that stage because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► that that's what I wanted it to be is just these items and nothing else. Did you missed it. Did you miss me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/765">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► Man you're going to have to edit you're going to have to edit that paused and despair for my feelings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/779">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► What did you miss what do you miss about me what did I miss about you know I you know what I missed. Well I miss you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/787">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Sending me adorable doggie photos and she would talk about that now. We should definitely talk about that now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/798">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► So for anyone who doesn't follow my personal Twitter account always friends with me on Facebook because if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/806">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► follow me on Twitter or friend to me on Facebook. Trust me you already know all about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► We have acquired a puppy a little Chihuahua called Audrey who is adorable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/817">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► She is very cute and I open up this kit and everyone thinks their purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► but I think Audrey so I'm going to agree with you here she is unusually cute you know how we had all that stuff about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/830">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► we talked about how I had to get dog is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/836">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► As big if not bigger responsibility than having a baby and I think we were doing it tongue in cheek. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/840">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► No it's really not that this certainly was on my behalf and I tell you now that it had a puppy for a few weeks now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/845">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► I have massive respect for people who were not a matter of respect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► I have massive appreciation for people who bring up babies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/858">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► but I respect them I think they're crazy to have them in the first place because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► and it's hard enough with a party having to wake up every couple of hours to take it outside for a toilet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/869">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► and the puppy you can you know you can leave things you cannot put in a saddle crate for a while and you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and have dinner with your wife and that you can't you can't leave a baby behind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► Gosh and like you know the next morning on the call hardly slept last night I had to get up twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► and you know I find myself complaining and then I imagine well imagine if I had to do that for like a few years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/891">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► and with someone that you can't ignore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► When I guess with a puppy you could think I'll let it go away just this once because I can't be bothered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► You know you can't do that stuff with shamans although you know it's funny a few of my friends who have babies I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/908">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► been saying this to you saying I've got so much more appreciation for what you do because you know you can't cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/914">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► corners that I can cut with a puppy and they just look at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► and go you know we cut corners so I don't know if they're joking or you can cut corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/922">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► but I don't I don't think that that that works in the long run. Yeah and it's probably not legal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► I guess that depends on the corner that you're cutting. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/933">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► Anyway before we turn this into kind of a you know a child care podcast I have I have learned something about you cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/936">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► from my puppy experience I mean I'm not going to sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► and talk about how cute my puppy is because that's just boring for everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/944">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► I have appreciated your positive reinforcement when I send you the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and videos you've been making all the right noises and saying very cute very adorable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► Well I think that I can't I can't. It's so what I do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/957">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► Well you could but I would be embarrassed every time I talk to one of you guys on Skype like Derek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/963">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► and all that sort of stuff I'm always destine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► and that IMO is like holding up the puppy all the time in front of the webcam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► and then I realize what a sad sad loser I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► But now you have you have you know you shouldn't you shouldn't feel that way at all when I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► when I called you just now I was sad that she was in the crate because you couldn't hold it up to the screen so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/981">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► demand more adorable puppy ness. Don't feel bad about it at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► Well let me tell you my You Tube thing I learned as you know I as you know I have this super duper slow mo camera which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/991">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► I supposedly use science really is that it's been used a lot for puppy videos in the last few weeks so I've been going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/997">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► out in the backyard and blowing bubbles and watching the puppy play and throwing apples and watching her chase them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and filming and then making these cute little videos to you know twee twinky music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► and I've just been putting them on like my personal channel. So you know I don't get watched very many times you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► A couple of thousand times which I guess I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► Maybe for some people yes some people they love us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► but it's not the number of years that should be getting attention is you know a couple of thousand views. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► when I post these videos usually within fifteen to twenty minutes I've been getting e-mails from companies asking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► Lawson's the videos and sell them to television shows really within within fifteen minutes and this is I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► and I are used to all the different a mass you get you know from people trying to exploit things or do business deals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► Yeah but this is so yeah this is yeah this is a new well to me this is a new thing I didn't know existed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► They obviously have search terms and people watching You Tube constantly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1074">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► I don't know with what words obviously words like puppy and show our and cute and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► And whenever anything new gets posted straight away these messages saying you know big long pro-forma thing saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► know we want to do this want to do that we need you to fill that form go to this ought to license your video to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► and we'll give you a cup of tea they can give you the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► and that I didn't even know this was a thing I say amongst all the penis in cuteness I've also learned something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► about you and another little skinny thing that goes on in the world. That's just weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► I'll send you some of the mothers say what they say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► Yeah I would be I would be kind of curious I mean like you said we get just the weirdest e-mails all the time from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► people you know with with the most dubious of business offers you've ever heard in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► but I would never have guessed that people are trying to license puppy footage from you just in an automated fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► how other very strange I mean I wouldn't be surprised if you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► when a cute video gets a million views suddenly you know the feeding frenzy starts and viral videos and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► but this is just you know I mean I guess that they're reasonably well made videos because they're done with a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► good camera to spot my ham fisted camera work but that still you know they're obviously red hot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► They're obviously watching like hawks and they sweep immediately and it's not just one company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► So there's obviously you know there's obviously competition going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► and maybe I should be looking into it maybe I'm missing an opportunity I've just been ignoring it but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► And I'm just conditioned to ignore people who are trying to make money out of me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► Limb in the middle is something I have a channel idea which I guarantee would be more popular than any of these boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► and it is a slow motion puppy file that I don't think I haven't thought of even been wondering if I was cheering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► because obviously you know puppies grow up with and if they lose they key is within about a month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► You know if they lose maximum cuteness within a month I mean even Audrey. Starting to get a bit bigger than I'd like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► Yeah I can say that the pictures she's going so I was wondering if you would like to call puppy breeders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► and say oh hi look I've got this camera. I see you've got some new puppy society before that before you sell them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► Do you mind if I just come around and film them for twenty minutes with my camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and he does like travel the countryside filming puppies now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► Slow motion puppy file stuff like royalties when it's already already given out loads of so I have it with when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► when the first video on it was it was already playing with apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► and because she's so small like her head was smaller than the apples I was quite funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► and jokingly destine sent me a message on Reddit saying you've been invited to moderate moderate slash puppies play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► and I was walking home well I never knew there was a servant for that of course there wasn't over surprise there isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► and so anyway so it was great I have a question for you what is your puppy training regime are you following a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► particular model for training a puppy. That's more my wife's department. She's a very conscientious person. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► She is already at the age of eleven wakes and we've only had it for three weeks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► She's already going to puppy school once a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► Oh good I'm taking her to puppy parties starting from next to a question he socialises with other dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► And today she had her first one on one personal Jewish unless and with the puppy trainer rules. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► So she's already getting educated on three different levels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► She's she's going to get you know where pretty square with that sort of stuff you know we go into everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► and read loads and do everything that's good that's good. I don't know if I should if I should. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► That may be OK but that's always it's always a side of something interesting when you start by saying maybe as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1309">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► People have a hard time believing me sometimes that when I tell this but back when I was still a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► when I went to visit them in America they're like oh there's a new show that we love which is the dog whisperer Cesar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► Milan or the like. You've got to be kidding me what is this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► But so I started I started watching it and I quite I quite like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► But one of the things I realized was you know what this is really instructive for a teacher watching his lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► or watching him him instruct the dogs. I thought this is kind of amazing and I'm I'm number one advice to new teachers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► Ever since that point was you need to buy all of the seasons of The Dog Whisperer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► and start watching them watch two back to back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► Every night I mean it's September now there are new they're probably brand new teachers possibly listening to the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► There are students just in teacher training school now go watch the dog whisperer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► It is like this amazing lesson in being consistent and you just you cannot teach that kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► and him like he is an amazing example of just being really super consistent especially in those non-verbal way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► I have to be vague I can't mention anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► but I would just say that new teachers have come back to me after following this advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and have said you were totally right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► I have watched two seasons of The Dog Whisperer and I am better in the classroom now before I have hardly any accident. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► You know it's like I swear I swear if I was running a teacher training school I would try to arrange one day a week to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► send all the potential teachers to the local dog kennel. We like listen we just have them out in the yard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► and have them try to teach the dogs that would be way more beneficial than some of the actual lessons taught in a class. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► There are definitely applicable lessons to be learned there. And his his consistency is just amazing to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► Like how does the thing that matters the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► when you're in front of a room full of tiny humans like you have to be so consistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► There is a degree of knack to it because we know it when I go to puppies go six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► or seven a service that will spread through this local church or with dogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► and the woman's at the front telling us what to do next is I.K.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► Go and do it and we'll sit there trying to do it and the dogs are running everywhere and doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► but what they're supposed to do and then she comes along one by one to see how we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► and the minute she does anything the dogs just do what she says and the dogs don't know if she's new to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► and it's just the way she moves or touches them or pushes them in the right way and engages with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► The docs just she just got her she's got the touch no no no this is this is exactly what I disagree with you here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► But if she's never met the dog before how can she you know I said there's no routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► or consistency so how can she be walking up to my dog for the first time and getting it to sit straight away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► and take food from her hand in the way it's supposed to. OK so I have thought about this a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► I have found myself watching the dog whisperer thing like my crazy person here why is this helping with with my teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► OK so here's here's one of the things if you watch the dog whisperer that I think he mentioned sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► but it's good to to really point out is how rarely he ever talks to the dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► He he never really speaks with them and yet they still do what he wants them to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► And that little point there is a huge shift in your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► and I'm aware like boy that has really helped my interactions with a bunch of dogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► and getting them to do what they want like like my parents' dog Lucy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► I'm really aware of consciously not talking to her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Or under circumstances with the other terribly trained dogs who I would have to talk to them like they can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► me. Oh no Smokey you shouldn't bite the guests that's mean and they don't like it right here. Wow wow wow wow wow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► That's all he's hearing doesn't mean and hear him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► Here's my thought on this I think this is a learned skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► and I think this is a skill that I got better at by just becoming aware of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and it's I don't think you can talk about it because I think this is something that's like in our monkey minds that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► very very primitive and it is something to do with his non verbal communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► and kind of holding in your mind the thought of what behavior that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► or what kinds of things you find acceptable or not acceptable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► And somehow that gets kind of projected outward through your actions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► I don't think that's a we can sit down and talk about it kind of thing but I do think that is a learned skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1612">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► and I think that's something that I got better with over time as a teacher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► and particularly once I became aware of this as a certain kind of skill of again nonverbally in a classroom getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► kids to behave better like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► That was definitely something that I improved upon over time and that I have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and heard other people as well describe first hand the like they have gotten better at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► when they are aware of it as a kind of skill. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► I read a book that had the name of which I can't remember a while ago about dogs and dog behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► and how they came from wolves and how we should be training them and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► It was quite it was more of an academic science e Book but for the layman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► and there was a current running all the way through the book that they did not like the dog whisperer Cesar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► Well this season I don't yeah yeah I see them on their season and they they didn't like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and I honestly thought it was sour grapes in much the same way. Look the scientist are not trying to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► It's because he's such a celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► and I imagine dog experts don't like Cesar Milan because he's a celebrity doctor that I was saying not to the stuff he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► says you shouldn't be doing but sage if you say G.P. Gray says you should. And that's good enough for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► Well you know if I want to follow which little point because I found similar things I was kind of curious I looked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► and I thought like he's a very interesting very interesting guy just the life that he's lived in the things you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► accomplished. Man you know I could not have have done all the things that he's done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► But I came across the same kind of criticism of his particular methods and whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► or not animals behave in it because he's always talking about you need to be the pack leader you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► and yeah I'm in my my opinion of this is the historical data on the dogs is irrelevant in this question whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► or not dogs have a pack leader in the way that he talks about on the show the whole notion of holding in your mind this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► idea if you are the pack leader. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► Yeah to not let the dog dictate what happens in a whole bunch of ways and the same with kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► It's so hard to see it sometimes but when you become aware of it you can see it in a classroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► or with dogs like how the other is dictating the tempo of what happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► And so that's why I like whether or not dogs have an alpha pack leader in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► I just I don't think it matters at all because even if even if your logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► or your reasoning is misguided if it results in sort of actions and behaviors that work well good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Cesar Milan is not an evolutionary dog psychologist he is a he is a dog trainer and he is amazing and using his tools. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► I have seen dogs trained very well and they are with children. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Can can can this same logic so then be applied to sort of you know alternative medicines and. Things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1793">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Science is very quick to paper. And then but then sometimes some of these things work is is the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► I can't believe that you advocate that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► but you've already just contradicted yourself that right because if you know the alternative medicine works that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► that's a medicine. The alternative medicine stuff it doesn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► So my concern is with the efficacy of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► but this is this is much more like how I was it is a book is a book I quite like by Neal you know gay men which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► American Gods. If you read it I have not and it's a good book it's a good book. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► There's there's one point in the book where a character is describing his ancient African remedies to cure pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► and he's like oh yes there's you know we have this this remedy and it involves us hoping long process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► and we use the the bark of a tree and get it out of and he pulled out of his his pocket a bottle of aspirin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► Yes we got aspirin from some trees in Africa is where this originally came from and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► They like the story behind the aspirin is irrelevant because aspirin works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► You can believe some story about aspirin but aspirin will still fix you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► Maybe Cesar Milan is wrong his whole story about dog packs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► but it doesn't matter if the things he teaches are effective in changing dog behavior whereas alternative medicine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► telling you a story and not bringing about any change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► When you do a whole show on alternative medicine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► but as I come down very harshly on that kind of stuff again King great with military power I would put a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► practitioners of alternative medicine in prison for manslaughter. You're practicing stuff you're not fixing people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► And if somebody under your care dies because they believe that you were a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► but instead you're a total charlatan you should go to prison for that. So no I'm not a big fan of alternative medicine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1911">TS</a>]
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00:33:07 ◼ ► There follow up from a previous podcast a couple things to you that I was given to show Army yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► Now let's get started. We always that we follow up a little it's our here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► and we going got I hope I'm not you know I am I am recording monkey copyright we have we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► and there has been it's resolved is it resolved. Yes So we're in the middle of the things I have it right here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► I didn't actually write this I copy pasted from some of the P.D.F. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► Which I will put in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► but yes the United States Copyright Office issued a clarification to their rules about its copyrights that that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► resolve this monkey copyright situation and the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► The bottom line of the story is that they say the photographer does not own the copyright because the monkey pressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► the button the monkey press the button and so there is no copyright is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► and sadly the monkey does not own the copyright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► If the photographer is good I really wish the monkey got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► but now it's just in the public domain which is more useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► but way less funny so that that is there that is their thing when I was looking this up a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► There's two things that came across one of course which has a page on everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► Like there's a sub for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► and they have a whole section on animal made art which is kind of interesting to peruse through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► Why was I once bought a painting by a dolphin from my my sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► when she went to a dolphin face now the same way out for her dolphin a dolphin painting the photo of the dolphin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► There's They have a section on there which is which is I just love the section title called Painting packet terms like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► come on you could call that painting elephants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► but it's so much more fun to call a painting back at times that there's a whole section here which I love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► On the Wikipedia page it says monkey paintings were exhibited in many modern art museums during the early one nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► and scientific interest in monkey painting has diminished a little note is taken of it today which is a shame for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► of those monkey painters. They had their moment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► They had they had their day in the sun you know the thing that I thought was really interesting from the them of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► series was going to the monkeys that were going on it was more the fifty's was not they were going into space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► and also I don't think going into the space was good for the monkeys. Those my words didn't come back. No they did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► Do you know that have you know now the first monkey in space was HAM The second one was a monkey called anus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► and he had the nickname of anus the pain. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► Because he had a really bad habit of touching himself in in a friendly way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and he would do is do it really in opportune moments like that be like a press conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► and all the media would be there to see the monkey that was going into space and they'd bring him out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► and then with all the photographers there he just doing his thing so he was he was he was like a real character. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► This that is ham anus the penis the monkey says good time to be a monkey they were like Astrid are celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► Well there's a real you know it was a good time to be maybe one of five monkeys on the face of the earth it wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► didn't have to be a monkey in general like a different kind of monkey Renaissance occurring couple of monkeys I happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► to be celebrities in the end. Most monkeys are still living in the jungle or so I was nice to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► But I reckon I sometimes envy animals for lack of stress I'm going to start this really now let's go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► So just don't have to worry. This is this is the Disney version of what it's like to be an animal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► How I wish I could remember up top my head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► What book this was I was reading some book which was talking about studying monkeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► and pointing out that in theory chimpanzees should have a really sweet life because they're pretty pretty rarely hunted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► They're basically like apex predators they're relatively strong their food sources are relatively abundant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► and isn't that great for monkeys they can sit around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► and you know eat bananas in the sunshine all day if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► but the thing that most monkey like to do with their time is torment other monkeys and play social dominance games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► and so it's not actually some kind of relaxing let's hang out life being a monkey in the forest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► You're constantly worried that the chief monkey is going to beat you up or there's going to be a monkey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Q It's not it's not a chilled existence where we're you know this thing is human. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► But how is that different to being a human. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► Unlike a monkey in the forest I can go off to York and just do nothing for a few days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► You can fly from Morocco where the monkey going to go nowhere. No good for monkeys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► I do have to say in in agreement with you I did a while ago now I went on a safari. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► Now as if I was I was a really good one and it was it was brilliant and it was during the migrations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► It was not the best time to go and there were two things that struck me about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► One was how much more stuff he say than what you expect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► Like I thought you'd get in like a four wheel drive and drive a lava dusty road for two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► and then everyone would get excited and look in the distance there's a lion and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► and you would look at it for a few minutes and think wow what a thrill that was. That's my mental image of a safari. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► Fuck you out on a big grassy plain Most of the time and it was just wall to wall animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and everywhere you looked something amazing is happening and there are about twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► or so four wheel drives around Seoul you know going off and doing their own thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► and if a whole bunch drive in one direction you know something really good happening so then everyone goes that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► but there are so many animals you can almost run over animals like that you can say sitting in the grass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► and there is and there is at any given time twenty or thirty stories happening unfolding of like life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► and death I mean they're not they're not singing going to tar all the time and often to bring out all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► Gosh you know it really was very bass like it really really made me you know everything was just about ageing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► and not dieing I was pretty amazing. That's what nature is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► That's why we left with my city and now I don't have to worry about a tiger hitting me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► I'd still rather be trying to outrun a tiger than have to go. Oh that museum in New York. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► Now I want to go you're making it sound so originally I remember back in New York I have to go now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► You know don't try to move on because because I have one final thing about the monkey copyright which I like here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► So looking down at us not only there's no hurry and I were flying through here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► I will be recording fifty minutes several dozen of because so many things planned for this show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► There's one little one little detail which it was not mentioned in most of the monkey copyright stories that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► which I think is great. I copy pasted it here at the U.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► Copyright Office and the office will not register works produced by nature animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► or plants which seems reasonable doesn't like this part here which is hot the office will not register a work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► purportedly created by divine or supernatural beings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► I just I just love that somebody at the Copyright Office is like we gotta think of everything while we're clarifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► these rules but make it clear as possible and I love that they they have pre-built in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and an exception which is for divine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► or supernatural beings can also not register their works with the Copyright Office of the United States government. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► U.S. Government says no so if you get like Jesus on a piece of toast or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► Yes that is exactly the example that they used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► Is that kind of thing is not copyrightable you you the person who has the toast that Jesus spoke to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► You can't own the copyright that is in the public domain all of God's works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Although the interesting thing is they have a little a little caviar to that which is network which is inspired by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► divine or supernatural being but created by a human can be copyrightable. So your videos are safe then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Yes that's exactly it. An angel whispers into my ear the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Sweet scripts every time in the last broadcast we talked at length about your videos and the robot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► and so driving cars were a big part of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► And in your video and you were kind of advocating using the term auto Yes self driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► and that got quite a lot of reaction from people you know and read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and a lot of people while perhaps not disagreeing with your message don't think orto should be the word used for self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► driving cars because auto is already used for normal cars in many countries. Every single German in the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► That's what we did to me or emailed to me to help people he let me know that auto already means car in German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► and as I tried to be polite and explain on Twitter you're speaking German. You have words for all kinds of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► It's up to you Germans to decide what is going to be the word for self driving car in German. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► Whatever we select in English it shouldn't be it should matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► Right this is not relevant to the German language that we use that I think auto is a great word for self driving cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► When you weren't you know I don't know what's going to work in Germany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► but I'm sure it's going to leave you incredibly little insensitive it's a little insensitive of you because I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► agree that language is a different and you can't pander to everything but you've got this going to be a bit of give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► Like if you came up with a word for something and in a few big famous languages that was the word for murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► or you know rape or something you would see would you have second thoughts wouldn't hang on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► Yeah you know Brady I will I will grant you that if Otto meant rape immobile in Germany than maybe it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► something we should reconsider using that it means car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► and I think that kind of that kind of linguistic conflict I'm told. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► The uninterested in language to conflict is even close. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► Like it's even it could cause even more problems because if it was the welfare of the right people to be like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► But like if it's so close to come out already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and in fairness to Germany they're pretty they're pretty good at making cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► and it's not like they're disassociated from the world of automobile manufacturing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► They're pretty much near the top of the tree so surely surely we should be listening to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► and being aware of potential problems down the track I think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► when considering what word works best in the English language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► IF languages are their own things and you run into these these linguistic conflicts all the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► I'm sure everyone's heard the like hilarious stories of brands that pick some word that they try to use as their thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► and then it turns out that it does mean something horrible in the news or in Spanish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► or something like linguistic conflicts happen all the time because the number of sound that the human mouth can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► comfortably is relatively small is not infinite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► So that would seem to be a conflict but I feel it's not my job to pick a word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► That works well in every language all across the world because other people are speaking other languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► There are other things that can be used in those languages to describe the same things like that's what we do now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► If Germans for example said for some reason that they think car in German is the perfect word for a self driving car I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► don't know if that works in German perfect run with it because these are separate languages. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► You don't have to worry about this kind of overlap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► I'm still I'm still one hundred percent behind auto as a word for self driving car in the English language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► and other languages should pick other things for there like the whole reason I like Otto is because it's an automobile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2752">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► English based pick but I have no I have no idea what what kind of thing would work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► or sound good in other languages so those languages should should pick their own things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► OK I sometimes I have a hard time telling if you are serious or not serious when you ask questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► I'm not sure if you were serious when you brought that up I think I mean you know I'm always the devil's advocate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► and you are the best devil's advocate there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► Well no I think sang on the devil's advocate actually seems to rile people up so I won't stand being the devil's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► What I'd what I'd like to do is ask questions that will make you explain your position in a new way that would help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Yes So say whatever you want to call that I do that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► but I do think if the country that if a country that has it makes a lot of us Kohls their production of cars is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► irrelevant to this conversation. It doesn't it doesn't matter how many cars they make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► Well I just I don't see that how that has any bearing any bearing on this at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► Well I think I think it could because if they because if they were to then become a leading purchase of self driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► cars like they are probably going to start getting involved in naming these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► and then these things are going to you know a company called I think a generic name like Honda doesn't come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► the two thousand and seven Honda car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► or I think they come out with a secular name for a thing I'm talking about what is the name for the generic category of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► things. Yeah in a particular language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► So of course Lou there's only you don't you don't see any potential for a problem here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► Yet what is the what is the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► I don't understand what problem there are there is if the most if the biggest economy in all of Europe. Cold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2871">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Those as autos and then the pig language English decides they're going to call this new category of vehicles autos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► and well that your theoretical example of your confusion requires that two people are speaking at each other using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► different languages. Presumably things are entirely consistent if you're both speaking German. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► You both know what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► or if you're both speaking English you both know what you're talking about like what is it what is the what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► confusion here someone in English is overhearing someone in German speak about something and they pick out one word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► and then place an order for a thousand autos based on overhearing the conversation in the language like layout for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► the scenario where this matters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► I just think if we're at the start so I could write it and when is this going to be confusing. I want an example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2932">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► Well see what happens is people who speak German sometimes leave Germany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► and people who speak English sometimes go into Germany [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► and sometimes they try to speak to each other in each other's languages and so sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► when someone is referring to one kind of car the other person might think they're referring to another type of car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► Now I think it's pretty unlikely they're going to order a thousand of them without this confusion being resolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► but I do think if we're at the start of the process and deciding what the word should pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► and there is no word yet then maybe we should take this opportunity to consider all of our options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► and remove the confusions before they happen. I'm just I'm still not I'm still not sold on this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► I can tell this is like the world's most convincing argument to me. OK So somebody is in a car rental store in Germany. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/2992">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► And they are trying to speak German because they are being a polite tourist with the person at the car rental company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► and they accidentally ran to the wrong kind of car which will be immediately apparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► when they go to the lot to get it and then disaster. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► and you say a new number was discovered by a mathematician like Graham's number the sum you constant was found some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► numbers. Obviously the number already exists but a number has to be named for some reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► Would you call what you know a set of French number seven would you call it that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► Or would a mathematician think actually even though no English person Cor seven that number of French people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► So instead of calling it that I'm going to call it something else just so we don't cause confusion for the French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► mathematicians. I'm not going to say stuff the French that's their problem. I speak English. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► I'm going to be a little bit considerate to my fellow humans on Earth who I acknowledge have their own language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► and rather than using a word that will cause a potential conflict or confusion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► I'm going to call the number something else I'm going to use another permutation of letters that doesn't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► represent a number in another language and I'm going to call my new number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► I googled the Google Google whack because that word doesn't exist for them but you would be a lot of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► I speak French I'm call what I want. It's their problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► The one difference here I would say is that you're coming up with something like out of the clear blue sky that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► You coming up with an arbitrary name for a brand new thing and presumably you with the Discover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3112">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► One that name to spread this is much more like the companies coming up with brand name problem which is why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► willing to spend a whole bunch of money trying to research what a brand name means in every language ever because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► I still say that that the case of of what is the generic term for a class of objects in a particular language is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► very different case from that from someone discovering something and wanting that name to spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► and you can choose a totally arbitrary name. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► Yeah I agree I agree though the word your saying the word has to do what it says on the tin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► Yeah you can choose from an infinite number of letters you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► and here is the thing about if I'm trying to push because I think self driving car is just awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► Now fear the metaphor is a terrible novel I mean honestly if I have to sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► and predict what is going to what are we going to call self driving cars in ten years I predict that we call them cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► and that people just stop making a distinction between the self driving variety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► and the non So it's I think this is the same thing like with smart phones. Well guess what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► In five years they just phones where the whole need to to have this additional category becomes rendered irrelevant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► That's my actual prediction for what would happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► But instead what I'm saying in my video said oh we shouldn't call them cars because it limits your thinking about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► which I still think is true and why I still think we do need a different word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► I said let's call them liberty digits instead like it's just so stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► Right like maybe flubber to gauge it is not anything in any other language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► but that is not the part like I'm trying to pick a word that can spread easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► and is reasonable in the language that I speak. If anything has a chance of competing with car auto is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3230">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► And why I think it's a different scenario talking about coming up with a new number versus coming up with a Category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► Four thing in a language so that that's why I think the difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► OK So are you convinced I don't think you are but I still have a few more things I can say to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► but I think we've probably examples of that today however however from people who are still listening who have at last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► there's one final thing that I want to say I'm not sure even I mean I can't agree. I swear I will edit this down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► Somebody edited the Wikipedia page about self driving cars so that for two glorious days it said self driving cars also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► known as and have a list of a couple of things and somebody snuck on to the end of that autos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► and it stayed up for longer than these things usually do. We could be just good about catching this kind of stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► It was up there. It was glorious but here here's the thing people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► I don't want you to go back to that page like happened with the Brady typing page and constantly try to revert it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► and get into a big war and then get blocked I don't want that at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► What I want is for people to actually use the word auto in a blog post that they write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► or anything that they create for the Internet because that is how you convince Wikipedia to actually change something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► You need evidence of its widespread use not just oh one dude in a video said it should be called the think so don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► don't edit the Wikipedia page to say autos just actually use the word if you are publishing something on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► that is my request. Let's make this happen people in the area but the idea that one of their flavor to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Dude I'm going to cut right there right there is why do you have one more thing to add to this discussion which I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► to bring up last time I actually one of my best mates is a pilot. A passenger aircraft. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► And if you know fly seven four seventh's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► and the many many years I have been telling him that because the big check I always have with him is that he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► really necessary and everything's automated and they land on their own and take off and everything's all right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► And I have always said to him that I think we will have pilotless planes at some point and the argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► and the thing I've never been sure about is whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► or not it will happen in our lifetime so I'll be able to sort of you know claim victory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► He's convinced it will not happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► I think it will happen will happen in my lifetime is the question I want to answer from the glance I would say that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► your lifetime is a long is a long enough timeframe that I would give that better than even odds that it will. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► I would I would not expect that to be soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► I tried to look into the the plane automation thing as well it was hard to get the detail that I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► but I knew if I had to make a prediction I would easily bet on autos being fairly widespread in society before there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3424">TS</a>]
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01:00:00 ◼ ► Good idea and motor neuron disease is bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3600">TS</a>]
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01:00:51 ◼ ► and then you challenge three other people to do it and you post a video of yourself doing it online. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3651">TS</a>]
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01:01:07 ◼ ► I now challenge three other people Bill Smith John Jones and Sally Johnson to do likewise and then I have to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3667">TS</a>]
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01:01:41 ◼ ► but I am annoyed by mail because everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3701">TS</a>]
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01:01:56 ◼ ► He's challenging other people to do it and then this incredible piece. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Here pressure on the people who've been challenged to do not because I know some people have been challenged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3720">TS</a>]
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01:03:15 ◼ ► It's interesting it raises a lot of there were said there are a few things about it that make me feel uneasy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► There are other things about I think a brilliant. I mean I have in my in my B.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3803">TS</a>]
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01:03:46 ◼ ► But there are things about there are things about this particular style of campaign that just annoyed me a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► and by the way I've made a video along these lines. I made a bucket challenge on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Where we poured a bucket of one of the half thousand dice either someone when we raise the money for water I hate this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3840">TS</a>]
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01:05:40 ◼ ► So if if we're just talking about the mechanics of it I think I have some of the same feelings that you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3940">TS</a>]
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01:06:17 ◼ ► Yeah I think all of that is wrapped up paper things you put your finger on to have a better name for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3977">TS</a>]
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01:06:39 ◼ ► challenging aspects of it that I find like like a reverse finger trap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/3999">TS</a>]
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01:06:50 ◼ ► and the more I have this feeling of like I'm not going to do a thing just because people are telling me to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► and more people are telling me to do the thing the more I guarantee you I'm not going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4017">TS</a>]
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01:07:25 ◼ ► but you know you don't tell me what to do so that I have the same kind of reluctance to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► and I have been following this thing very closely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► but I have seen a couple people specifically say why I'm doing this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► but I'm not challenging other people to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► Interesting to hear you say that your video is along these lines you went that same path which makes me very happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► that you did a thing but then you said I'm not challenging other people to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► but of course the challenge is exactly what makes it successful it's viral Yes writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► Yes it would be it would have not. Yeah when I got nowhere fast if did not require the challenging as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4080">TS</a>]
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01:08:43 ◼ ► question and you kind of touched on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4123">TS</a>]
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01:09:22 ◼ ► Motions that might be interpreted by some very generous people as dancing. I would love to see that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► No you wouldn't it would be like playing on Seinfeld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► but I'm trying to think how much money I would pay for a video of you just dancing at home on your own is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► insubstantial. That'll be my next on the second because I felt like a challenge. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► How much money do we have to raise for Grey's because of choice before he were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► but it was already going about this the wrong way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4192">TS</a>]
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01:10:00 ◼ ► All you have to upload a video viewed it like now it will never happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► No but But what if like you know Bill Gates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► or someone who you know is a listener to the podcast said I would just I would donate some to the charity of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► choice and not the money's on the table. I really don't like being told what to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► I really don't like that I could I could turn down a very very large sums of money it's not you turning to daddy we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► turning it down for a charity. You know this is this is all a kind of blackmail. Stroke thank terrorism Thank you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► Like my how is the word I should call the ice bucket black man not sure that's exactly right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► That's like when you think that naming people like naming them on a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► and not not telling them you going to do it by publicly calling someone out to do something I like Miles a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► emotive word and I won't use that word. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► but publicly calling someone out to do something in a in the in a publicly deliberately publicly post a video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► If the person doesn't want to do or yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► and that's that's why that's why I feel like I can give you a give you an example of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► A of a similar kind of thing which is to take it away from charity. Have you ever been to a circus L.A. Show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► Yes I have a long time ago a long time ago. OK so you may remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► But they are big on pulling people out of the audience in a Cirque de Soleil show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► and they're always very good for the most part like they do interesting things and like it's part of the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► But I often find myself during these segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► when they're clearly coming into the audience to grab someone this is it like a Raise your hand and volunteer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► This is a we're going to grab someone kind of thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4308">TS</a>]
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01:12:00 ◼ ► Who sits here no matter how much the audience boos and I will not go on stage as I go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► Let's make this easy for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4326">TS</a>]
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01:12:16 ◼ ► I've actually looked at videos about what happens in Cirque du Soleil like when someone says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► and it doesn't happen very often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► There's clap clap clap you know people try to convince and the person says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► and then like the clown does the bigger thing like Let's clap clap clap again right. You had to collapse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► But after that you get boos. Right People get mad if you don't go up after the second collapse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4352">TS</a>]
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01:12:44 ◼ ► and the hate of the moment do you think you know you're a nice guy I'm sure you wouldn't think this is something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► OK So I think a brick brick of an excellent point because because there's lots of scenarios under which I totally agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4371">TS</a>]
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01:13:01 ◼ ► You imagine future you as current You make it easy to say that now as I'm sitting in office right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► Yeah except the only thing is when when those clowns are going around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4388">TS</a>]
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01:13:20 ◼ ► Do you know what right do you know what they know what they would say look you will never get picked because these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4400">TS</a>]
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01:13:29 ◼ ► I used one of my jobs when I was a kid a journalist on a newspaper was once awake I had to go into the straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► and interview seven people I had to ask him a question about the topic of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► but I had to give me a little quote and then we had to take a photo of their face and say their name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► and their age so it would be a you know I should you know should women be allowed to vote. C.D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► Gray forty two from Norwood says yes they should be or that of course. We're all human beings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4433">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► Now getting people to answer a question for you in the straight is reasonably easy getting them to tell you their name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► and where they live a bit harder getting them agreed to have their photo taken and put in the newspaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► Hodder again there are some people who love it and want to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► There are some people who will not do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► when I first started doing these these vox pops going into the straight laced take me forever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► They would take me a couple of hours with a photographer and I would get rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► and I'd be trying to talk people into it and I'd say no and then over time as I do that more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► and more month after month and year after year I became like a jet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► and I couldn't I could look at people from half a mile away and just tell the photographer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► They will say yes they will say no they will say yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► The guy on the left will do it the woman on the right won't do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► Those two women will do it and that man over there won't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► and it got to a point where my strike rate was just about one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► and I would never be rejected because I would never ask people who would reject me because I just knew the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► and I knew all the signs and I bet you those clams are exactly the same and they scanned the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► and they look at you and they're like in a million years that guy would get up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► He's the one that will say no and that's why you will never be paid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► Well I know I have never in my life been pulled out of the audience for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► and it's funny because my father is the exact opposite. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► We can never go anywhere and if they're pulling people out of the audience. My dad gets picked every time I must. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4532">TS</a>]
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01:16:03 ◼ ► and you know other parts of it are more obvious you know women of a certain age you know they're it they become vanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► How how the person looks you know you can sort of tell whether they're the sort of person who likes having their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► picture taken. The picture was always the problem. Everything else is easy and the picture was the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► The non-verbal stuff that's Cesar Milan skills again I just it's hard hard to articulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4581">TS</a>]
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01:16:49 ◼ ► Speaking of vox pops and asking people about the issue of the day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► Let me ask you Mr Gray walking down the street what do you think about this whole Scottish independence thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4614">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► It's getting there was again about this is for me a question that's not going to segue into our next topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4622">TS</a>]
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01:17:32 ◼ ► and so I have looked into this topic a number of times because just the demand for it is just so huge now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► and you may be guessing since I'm talking about it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and since I haven't made one I have no intentions to ever make a Scottish independence video I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► when we're recording it it's in two weeks now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► or maybe it may be only ten days shorter It's coming up soon anyway. This is a vote you're talking about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► Yes the vote for. Or in or out for Scotland as part of the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► And so he said that I'm not making a video about this is that I I came to the conclusion that there isn't anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► sort of honestly discuss about this as a as an issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► I could have made a video that talked about a bunch of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► but the conclusion was almost everything about the Scottish referendum that people want to talk about they want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► about break. How is the debt going to be distributed what's going to happen to military assets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► What's going to happen to the North Sea oil how much North Sea oil is there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► Will Scotland's economy be better or worse. All of these questions are totally unknowable and it seems so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► So if you're starting from that premise that these these objective facts about the future of Scotland are unknowable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► There's nothing really much for me to discuss on this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► and then it suddenly becomes an issue of like well I guess this is up to the Scottish people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► It's like a very rapidly becomes a it is not really any of my business kind of issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:12 ◼ ► I'm very interested to see what happens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4752">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► The polls are not clear at this stage about which way it's going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► but it's a funny topic because it has been so highly requested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► and I I have come to the conclusion that I have still very little to say about it because I don't think that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► much to be said about it and do you have any thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► Yeah I do have a couple saw some in a couple of a couple of really good friends who were Scottish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► and thereby Scottish journalists for the baby say so they're obviously very very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► and one of them just was just here last week and so I was talking to her quite a lot about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► and there there is there is a degree to which people like you and I and people like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► and I who are ex-pats anyway just living. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► And we're not even from this country I don't know if you count us as English people for the sake of this argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► I think I think it does kind of affect us and us and how affecting us is a different issue. It'll totally affect us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► That's not our decision. Yeah but it's not and so yeah. And therefore I'm kind of a bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► I always feel a bit wary about saying too much about it as well because it's a bit like well you know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► discussion but the one thing that does amaze me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► and you've touched on it with what you said was We don't know anything about what's going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► or even what how the independents is going to work yet and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► and because of that it strikes me as really premature to be voting or not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Like if I said Gray I think you and I should collaborate and launch a new You Tube channel. Are you in or out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► I would imagine you would say to me Well what's the channel going to be about how are we going to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4854">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► What's going to happen. How how how will that work financially what will the topics be how will we work together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► You'd have a million questions and then you'd say no it didn't look very likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► but like this is not what's happened here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► It strikes me as saying we're going to have the vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► and all the people sitting around saying what currency we can use how is the military going to work will this happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► will that happen. And everyone saying oh we don't know we don't know that yet that yes that will be thrashed out later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► Tell me now before I vote and that because that will affect how I vote of course I don't vote for this I'm out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► but I feel quite sorry for the people of Scotland here because it's so instead I guess I mean I don't follow very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► closely so maybe I'm wrong but I imagine what's happening instead is it's becoming very much kind of Us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► and Them about you know patriotism and Scottish identity and yeah some of these other things that are very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► but it may be a bit. When they beat us and no one no one knows what they're voting on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► I think I think as an outsider with who has I mean following it it seems a bit crazy to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► Yeah OK you brought up the one thing I was going to talk about a bit I think you've you've done a nice little intro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► If I'm pushed I do kind of have some thoughts on this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► and I think that you are exactly right that the lack of detail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► If you hear that everyone said I was right about something I have said You're right before but I think you're sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► and the lack of detail is so striking that I almost think it's like an intentionally done maneuver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► Yeah it reminds me of the vote which also helps launch when you do care about changing the voting system in the U.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4972">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► and That whole. A voting system change over are we going to use First Past the Post or we can use alternative vote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► That was so poorly orchestrated that I had suspicions at the time that it was done this way intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► and we have found out after the fact that basically it was because the people in power had no interest in this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► working out and so it was a similar kind of thing like all of the details were relatively vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► and information was just terrible and there was a lot of confusion that was sown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► and that was partly because like the powers that be didn't really want this to happen and the Scottish thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► It's like I almost wonder if the Scottish Independence Party basically wants this vote to take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► and one would hope that it is just narrowly defeated that they think they don't actually want to win because I feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► same way that if if I was in. Part of the of the Scottish Independence Party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► I would feel like man you need to get some of these details down about how stuff is going to work because I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► imagining if I was a Scottish person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► and it was the same thing that they're saying we're going to vote for independence. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► Oh how is that going to work we have no idea don't have will sort it out later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► I like my general political philosophy I would say is that you want to push power down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► and have power as close to the source where it is being executed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► So I'm generally in favor of more powerful smaller governments then more powerful bigger governments. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► So in theory I should be on board with the Scottish independence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► but the lack of specificity would make me have to say I can't vote yes to a contract that I have no idea what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► particulars are like that's just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5091">TS</a>]
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01:25:02 ◼ ► Part of me and actually when you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► and you sort of suggested is the independence movement scuppered their own you know their own cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► and that's crazy you know like people Alex seminar leader there has like has nailed his He's now his colours to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► mast so strongly you'd think it would be an embarrassing to fate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► But on the other hand I then thought hang on say they did lose at least they could say we fought the good fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► and where like with Scott ish to the core. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► Yeah that would probably serve them very well in years to come even though even though I was a plucky losers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► but they went they fought the good fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► and they've always got Scotland's interests so I could I could say that I could see what you're saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► I almost wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they do like a little rebranding after the election let's say it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► down as a no that the Scottish Independence Party changes their name to something like the like the Scotland first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► party or I don't know something like that. They're cold. Scott Michael the S.N.P. Now than then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► The code that the sky was not in fighting this and saying there may be they may be right about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► OK so then they need to do a rebranding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► But it's like especially because of the way the voting system in Scotland is vastly better than the way it is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► But like they have a lot less to worry about with a shift in the polls you know they they wouldn't suffer the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► of totally crushing defeat that small poll number changes can can happen like in England or in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► and so yeah I almost wonder is it is it better to stay from their perspective as the like plucky wee heart Scotland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► Party versus the oh crap we have to rule a country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► and we didn't you know we didn't figure out any of the details beforehand. We've got no money or military. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► but like just think about if you are in charge if you are in charge of the division do you think this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5214">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► like quick Las Vegas one hour divorce situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► No this is going to take years and years to sort out if it actually passes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► and it's like who you know who wants to be in charge of that boring affair nobody there so I wouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► Here's the thing I wouldn't put if I had to bet on it I would not bet that it was intentionally done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► But I can just say that it raises my suspicions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► and the lack of any kind of specificity makes it almost impossible to make a rational decision in favor of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► particular split even though in general I am in favor of smaller more local governments than I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► and in bigger larger government Twitter. Oh yes if you love the outward so don't quite prolific Twitter user not me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5260">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Last week made that kind of testing the waters announcement where they said they were going to be changing some aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► of the way of a timeline in Twitter works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and just just about an hour before we started recording I saw a headline that Twitter has now officially said that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► are going to bring on Facebook style algorithms to the timeline which is going to radically change the way Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► works so just anything that's Facebook inspired is poisoned already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► Just some background for those who might be a little bit less familiar with it with the way these things work so on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► I mean I'm sure most people know but on Facebook basically Facebook is constantly custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► when you log in to see what are my friends up to Facebook is constantly customizing the way that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► and it's using information about the things you give thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► and thumbs down to where the things that you click on to predict what are the things that you are most interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► possibly seeing and that description sounds fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► I mean Facebook is very popular obviously but it very much changes what Facebook is compared to something like Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► So when you sign up for Twitter and you follow people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► When you log in your timeline on Twitter is just a reverse chronological order list of what people have said there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► isn't there isn't any prediction to it there aren't any algorithms that say you know you always click on the links that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► this guy sends we're going to put his tweets up at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► and you rarely click on what this person says we're putting his his tweets at the bottom or not even showing you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► Yes Yes We're not even showing them as as Facebook can sometimes do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► and then just the experience of these two services is so different. I really hate Facebook and the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5390">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► I've I have disliked them for a number of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► and then in just the past couple years it's like man I thought I hated you guys before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► but you really amp things up to make it just awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► and over that same time my love for Twitter has just been this exponential rise like I really like Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► and I'm not I'm not a very social network kind of person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► but I think the reason that I like Twitter is because of this structural difference between the two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► and I am just I am just very very concerned over the future of this thing that I find a lot of value out of that I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► I don't know I mean how do you sound like you don't you don't like this the sound of this change either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► Nah I mean I find it just I'm just really suspicious and about about that very gender and why they do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5452">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► And at the moment just seems like a fair playing field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► and it's sort of you know it's just all it all happens there is a stream of consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► and they go at it so often if people are lucky they get rid of you and if you're using it well they appreciate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► when you win and if you're using it badly you get dumped and you don't succeed and I don't like the idea of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► I don't like the idea of happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► and on Twitter I feel like I feel a bit Ophelia robbed by Facebook wants to like this robbery going on because sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► probably shouldn't use robbery youth will be some proper word for it that you prefer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► But like I was looking I tweeted about this the other day and it totally came across as a humble brag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► but number five has a lot of sixty thousand people on Facebook has liked it so they've you know they've pressed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5510">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► All I want to know I want to know what you're doing and you know that's not a massive number but it's all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► and then whenever I write something on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► and I see these statistics for how many people have actually seen seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► and it's like you know we've delivered this to six thousand people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► I don't like and of course they're saying give us money and we'll give it to even more. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► So it's so it's I almost feel like it's not it's not that I'm being paralyzed because I'm no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► and you know if the users have not clicked on me for so long that I've just said well we're not going to live in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► posts anymore. They deliberately holding it back. They're sandbagging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► Yes They're sandbagging it in the hope of getting money out of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► and I can say you know this isn't news to anyone it's not like I've you know come down off the mountain with the Ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► Commandments and I'm revealing exposing what's going on. But like I seem so wrong to me and they want to win today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► Yeah let me just jump in for a second because I think this is a function of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► He is a function of a business pages versus personal pages on Facebook because I am not yet a personal agency the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► number but the bottom line is that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and I both have a business Facebook pages so I have a Facebook account in quotes that is is just called Crazy blogs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► made it so long ago but is basically like the corporate entity of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► and I for a very long time I posted links on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► and Facebook knows this is not a person this is representing a business instead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► Yes And what what started to happen at the time hind of this is that at some point Facebook started basically charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► people who posted things on their business pages that weren't doing very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► and they said Oh if you give us money we will put this out on even more people's timelines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► Yeah so this is where when individuals logon to Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► Well part of the algorithm Facebook is using is what stuff do you like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► but they're also using an algorithm of which companies have paid us the most to appear on the top of your timeline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► Yeah it's basically it basically is an ad and I wouldn't I don't I don't mind advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► but there's something about the Facebook wall that just feels so disingenuous right they're not being honest about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► it's like oh you follow this thing and oh you happened to see this thing from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► but it's also because they paid it's not just because you followed it you were already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I guess I can accept Coca-Cola giving them a big wad of cash and me having to see Coca-Cola in my timeline. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► That's just the reality of the world we live in right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► And and you and I do that to our viewers in directly with advertising in our videos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► But it's a bit different to the people who have like to see it live right here I have a life and you have to like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► And then you have to let people who are people who say they liked Coca-Cola they say I want updates from Coca-Cola. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► But then there are even then they're not getting all the updates from Coke unless it's like it's like I've done my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► grocery shopping and of all my food and you know the deal is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and then as I'm walking out I say Ah if you actually want to put your groceries in your car that's going to be another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► twenty bucks. It's like lying on a second there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► There are insurgents out of the middle man so the interesting thing that came up was Derek a very Tassie has two great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► videos on all kinds of shenanigans that are going on with face time with him in the show notes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► But Derek King is a cave contacted me when he was making his videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► and he wanted to know some of the numbers from my own Facebook page about like how many people were seeing my posts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► and the interesting thing was my my posts on Facebook. I was totally unaware of this phenomenon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► But because my my posts were very popular on Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► and so I would you know if I don't know how many subscribers I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► and it's not very many is something like twenty thousand I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► But it would say something like eight hundred thousand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► People have seen this out of the twenty two sorry very high proportion super high proportions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► So I never I was not really aware of this until Derek brought it to my attention that this is like oh there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► promotion thing. I think it's you know once or twice but just didn't cross my mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► Like what's really happening here the thing that I have seen the last few times that I posted into Facebook is they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► when I post Facebook send me a message that says hey that post of yours was really successful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5783">TS</a>]
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01:36:43 ◼ ► And so now it's like it doesn't even matter if people on Facebook you know are subscribed to your bill their age they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► but Facebook is still saying like well we don't want to let this stuff out so they're not even allowing cream to rise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► So it's on both ends on both ends they get you know these are particular problems with you know being a business on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► Facebook and like those are particular issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► and it's one of the reasons why I don't have links anywhere to my Facebook business page anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► and I don't want to promote that I have no interest in anybody following me there and I always keep debating whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► or not I should even keep posting the links there because like I just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► Well you know I have no nothing to gain from this anymore. And Facebook is doing awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► But but the complaints about businesses or just even for individuals Facebook deciding on what things that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► What makes Twitter so valuable to me is that it always feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► when I logon to Twitter it's like you're stepping into a kind of Internet room where people are having interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► conversations with the people that you follow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► They are just we're all in this virtual room together now and it's a forum where it is perfectly OK to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5872">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► Listen in on what other people are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► and potentially join in to any of these conversations yourself because everything is in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► and because it is as it is occurring now Twitter in my mind really has this feeling of like it is a place that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► filled with people who I am interested in and who I could potentially talk to at any moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► and you can only have that with this chronological list of postings. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► As of that is that is the thing that really worries me about Twitter changing this is like OK if they start hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► stuff or rearranging stuff it then very much becomes like Facebook where you go to Facebook to post a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► and maybe people comment on the thing but it's a different feeling from I'm just listening to people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► and maybe opposite but in those conversations maybe I won't and that is why I love Twitter so very much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► I mean you are a much heavier Twitter user than I am as far as I can tell you Do you get that same feeling from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► or like why do you know I mean I mean of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► and much different Twitter accounts obviously because of my multiple personalities on the Internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5952">TS</a>]
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01:39:33 ◼ ► I do use it to stay in touch with my mates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and people I like personally I do use it to follow you know people who I'm just interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► but you know not my friends they distant figures who I enjoy following. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► I use it for entertainment you know I look at aviation pictures and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► I use it for so many different things and I just don't want them to break it and man and they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► and they're not and they're going to do it because they want to make money. No this is about money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► This isn't about improving the experience because obviously it's about money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► and the next step is the Facebook step you know it's going to pay it's going to be getting money out of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► or delivering us more stuff we don't want the money and I can't see why are they doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► I don't I don't know I think about it now tonight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► I'm not making sense because I'm you know I don't know much about I've heard you know I've heard other guys talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► about on podcasts and I haven't read the latest articles but it's just going to turn to rubbish right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► and it's going to turn to rubbish and they'll be another thing that disappoints me about Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► Part of what I've been my vacation was also a little bit of a test run for something that I'm trying to do this month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► which is to cut down a lot of my digital life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► I'm very much present on the Internet and I mean I'm only four days into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► but for the month of September I've been intentionally reducing the volume of just tons of stuff so I have hardly been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► on Reddit and I have almost not been on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► and have been a bunch of other things sort of like let's see if I can keep a working environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► and kind of extend the boundaries of this vacation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► Internet blackout and they are not posting or not looking as well not looking as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► It's not like it cannot it can never be perfect because the weird thing that Reddit is also sort of my job so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► I'm trying to trying to figure out the balance here but just cutting down my connection to the Internet quite a lot. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► And even just a few days into it the thing that is so obvious to me is that I can cut down lots of things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► But Twitter is the hardest one because because Twitter delivers so much value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► and because to me Twitter is in some ways it's like this passive socialization. It like there are plenty of people who. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6111">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► Did in following and who I know and Twitter allows me to just keep up to date with people who I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► It's like we talked about on one the previous shows where if the gap between the last time you talk to someone is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► long it feels like there's this big distance between you because you can only talk about the big things you can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► about little things and Twitter to me is the greatest way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► and the easiest way to keep talking about the little things with people I know who are not physically proximate in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► life now whereas even something like sending a message to someone I know I still feel a little intrusive to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► sometimes because I don't know what they're doing I don't want to just interrupt someone with my random thoughts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► But on Twitter it's always OK to just message someone you know like they will see it if their client is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► and they won't and that's why I like I really like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► and I can see the man cutting this out of my life is hard because I get a lot of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:06 ◼ ► and then that's that's why the Facebook announcements make me think there's a big difference between voluntarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6186">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► reducing the volume of something and then just oh we changed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► So this whole thing doesn't work the way you like anymore. And now it's just gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Like I would feel a real loss in my life if the way Twitter currently works is not the way that Twitter continues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► work so that's why this announcement really catches my attention and makes me very concerned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► This is like oh you're messing with the way I interact with my friends. Like that's a very very personal thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► Twitter not not pleased to hear about these announcements. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► So all part of me thinks we've got no one to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► but ourselves if our friendships now depend on this device this system but it is what it is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► We put Eric we put our eggs into this box. And you know what do we know about them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► What do we know about the basket and they were complaining that they're messing with their eggs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► Yeah it's a problem that Twitter is not a decentralized platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► I disagree with you about the friendship thing because there are these are people I like twenty years ago I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► have called you know and also people who people are not even necessarily friends with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► but you can follow people that you are interested in and occasionally you have little interactions with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► and that's a whole different experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► You know you can't just overhear what interesting people are talking about all the time so I just fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► disagree with that with your friendships do you know your friends man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► No but like like was no weird when we first spoke today before we started recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► and I was talking about surprise surprise the puppy and you were like Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► But I want to show you something and you were like I have already seen that I knew about that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► I saw your tweet and it's like I was like wow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► Well I'm not saying that nobody knows better than me that people you follow on the internet are not your friends. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► I mean I'm conflating two things here because that's what Twitter allows you to conflate two kinds of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► but there are people you are interested in that can potentially have interactions with on Twitter in a way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► never could under other circumstances. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► Yes like so that is valuable and then on the flip side is the four people that I follow on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► I can passively keep up with what's going on in their life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► Yeah in a way that is beneficial towards the actual friendship that exists. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► Like those are the two different things and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► but that's why Twitter is really valuable to me for both of those reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► but I am no fool that like all these people who are following Twitter are my friends like most I would say easily most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6352">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► So I follow on Twitter I do not know in real life the number of people who I know in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► and follow on Twitter is very small. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► I mean probably a fellow about a hundred people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► and I guess is less than like ten people I know in real life that I actually follow on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► But yes anyway that's why it's two different things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► I think it's valuable and I don't want to mess with it but they will play with that will be sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► So yeah I'm preparing for that loss. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► I hate to bring this up but there was the homework that we didn't collect last week you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► and I've got a feeling we're not going to collect it this way. Well I don't know did you watch the episode today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► Show Black Mirror so the St Louis in particular I want to talk about was Episode one of series two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► and people who are unfamiliar numbers. Well yes our episode one of series today and this is this is unlike a seal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6414">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► They're one of pieces so it's not like you just you know they're all standalone shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► and a funny thing happened with it actually because remember we were going to talk about it last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► and I said I hadn't I hadn't watched it and then you told me often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► But a funny thing happened to you things happen actually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► First of all I try to do the right thing and I follow the C.D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► Gray model and I didn't look up what it was about I wanted to go into it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► Absolutely clane because I thought that would be a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► So I switched on and then a second thing happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► and that's one of the things that most annoys me about watching things with my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► and that is within five seconds of it starting I realized I had watched it before and I knew it very very well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:49 ◼ ► So having told you I haven't seen and we can't talk about it I haven't seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6469">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► and I think that our lives are here of course here and I know this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► I did watch it again though which to refresh my memory. So I have watched what you want to pay to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► In fact I have watched it twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► I must say just in general terms and a lot of people have been realizing this now that we have started mentioning it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► What a great show what a great series it is that that mirror series it was they really could they really could share as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► they are they are very very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► Should we talk about this one episode she we talk about episode one of series two so maybe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► and how we're going to reverse problem because I had intended to watch the episode again because it's been so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► since I watched them and today I started I watched the first episode two of season one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► OK I ran out of time before our scheduled recording session before I could rewind that one of season two. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► No no no that's OK because episode of series one we asked code fifteen million merits I think that's episode two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6531">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► but I probably did this is what we're going to we're going to talk about Episode two of series one which is code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► fifteen million merits. Yes that's the one we will talk about. Because I have also watched that one twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► OK I watched that one a few years ago when it first came out and then I watched it again a couple of weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► and I think in many ways that is my favorite of of them so I'm very happy to talk about it. OK I'll go ahead. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► That's perfectly fine because I'm actually not sure how much I have to say about episode one of season two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► but Episode two of season one so far we've got a million let's call it fifteen million. Oh this is way better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► Way better than I want to do it much better. That's like when I was going to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6589">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► I think this is just a masterful episode of T.V. I just totally loved this episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► And yes it is it is by far and away my favorite in the series and the six episodes are very strong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► Two of them are a are not my favorite but this one is absolutely out of the great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► So yes we will we will talk about fifteen million merits you want to do it do you want to summarize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► or pressure in your mind. Yeah let me do let me do the summary OK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► Massive spoiler warnings ahead people seriously you know watch the episode Don't listen to us now if you haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► OK so the the the opening shot is a guy sleeping on his bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► and all around him are computer screens in the computer screens wake him up with this fake sunrise and he sits up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► and you realize that he's in a little room that maybe not much bigger than a prison cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► but all of this is all of the sides are screams and they're resenting to him like a virtual field of view. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► Every wall is a screen that you know every way you look at a screen everywhere you look at the screen it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► thing in the room is his bed and then from out of the wall comes like a little sink and a shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► and then you see him getting ready for his day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► and then as the shot progresses he then in an elevator with some other people going somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► and where he goes is into a room where there's maybe twenty people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► and they are all sitting on bicycles pedaling away with a big video screen in front of each of them like a clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► stationary exercise fascination reemphasized by I'm sorry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► And so there they are pedaling away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► and it becomes clear that what they what they're doing is that as they pedal they are earning merits or earning point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6710">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► It's within the system that you can see on the screen like every you know ten rotations get them one merit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► or whatever it is and then they can buy stuff on the screen or watch particular episodes of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► or turn off advertisements they don't want to watch by paying merits into this virtual system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► It's never actually said but I think the presumption that most people would have is that this this life they live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► and I don't understand why you find it hard to describe because it always feels like they're in prison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► They just like this is just the way society works now is you're not into this you know you're locked into this life of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► living in the cells and yeah idling these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► and the feeling is perhaps the pedaling is producing electricity for society perhaps they solicit Lee say that at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► point they do. There is one explicit line where they say that the peddling is powering all of society. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► but yes what I actually I took note because I thought it was kind of amazing that the main character almost doesn't speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► at all throughout throughout the whole episode and especially the first ten twenty minutes as I timed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► and it takes fifteen minutes from the start before he says the first word and even after that he speaks very rarely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:24 ◼ ► It's only until maybe the last ten minutes. That he's really talking in any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6804">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► And so that's why I thought it was a really powerful episode because it manages to show you this world that is both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► very clear. OK These guys are on bikes they're these computer screens like I understand what's going on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► But it also really limits your view like you don't have any sense of how did he get in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► You know what's going on in this world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► Are there lots of rules like this and the episode as it goes on does sort of answer some of the. These questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6834">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► There's a later shot where they finally show you that he's in one room of many many rooms in a gigantic building that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► all have people on bikes and screams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:11 ◼ ► and another character mentions vaguely that like she was in another place before she came here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6851">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► But she wanted to go to a different place where her sister was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► but like that is that as the only information you get about the outside society you don't really know what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► and so the whole thing is they are presenting to you a kind of economy that is based on electricity generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► and then also just buying virtual objects that the life that these people lead is incredibly Spartan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► And I have to say it was very interesting watching it a second time because there's just a ton of details that you pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► up on that you missed the first time round. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► And one of them is just just noticing how there's almost nothing in any of the rooms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6895">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► Everything is gray except for the stuff that's on the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► Only color in their life comes from the computer screen every item of clothing every surface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► It is all either black or dark gray. And there's nothing with color except for those screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► So like even like the visual direction of it is showing you like this is the most exciting thing in their life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► and then the main character you can feel is kind of resistant to this life that he is he is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► but he's kind of reluctantly going along with this he's constantly paying credits to turn off advertising that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► doesn't want to watch I mean I thought so I mean I'm sure this will come out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► but for me I mean a few different things happen which I'm sure will talk about the advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► and the way advertising is treated in the show is the most powerful thing about that whole show for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► Yes I was completely fascinating that that they live in a world where there is a real premium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6953">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► A real value attached to being able to not watch advertising. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► Yeah and you have to pay to turn off these ads direct mail quite as intrusive ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► and sometimes that a lot for you know sort of sexual pornographic things that I really like there are some distasteful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► in some ways and so you would have to pay some of your credit to not watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► and if you didn't have the credit so we're unwilling to pay and you just shut your eyes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► Yeah everything shuts down everything shuts down they have detectives that know you are watching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► You have no choice and there are no four walls of your bedroom and it really is really invasive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► There I was it was shot so well because they often showed what this guy's life was like without the ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► and very often he was just sitting in his room and there was nothing but a star scape on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► and then it's really shocking what all four walls are covered with a screaming ad for pornography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► and one of the things that I'm I noticed as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► That whole episode is done so well that I thought this this has to be on purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► But every time it takes him a little while to turn off the ad he is this whole societies based on hand gestures for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► and so we have to do the shoo away hand gesture to bring up a dialog that says Do you want to turn off the AD Yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► or no and he has to do it again and it says Are you aware that you that this will cost you credit to turn it off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:27 ◼ ► Yes or no and he like you have to shoot a third time before it finally confirms and turns it off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7047">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► It's like your whole life is surrounded by the five second unscalable ads on You Tube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► but they can pop up completely in your field of vision at any moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► and you always have to wait five seconds to turn them off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► It's very startling and it's very very well done but you have to pay to turn them off to actually even worse kicker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► Yeah that's exactly it like you have to pay a dollar every time to turn it off and you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► when they're going to pop up and they pop up all the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► I'm sure that it was just it was it was really really well done and I would just say that there is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► Had to look it up because they're going to get it wrong but I'll just mention because I don't often have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► but there is an Internet writer who I really like and I think he's very good a guy called David Wong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► and he's written a bunch of articles for Cracked dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► and he also occasionally appears on their pod cast I love the episodes where he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:31 ◼ ► but he has an article that I think talks a lot about this episode in an indirect way.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7111">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► The article I think came up before the episode he's talked about why the future is going to be based on B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► And it's a whole article it is kind of about the economy of selling virtual goods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► and some of just the crazy stuff that happens as more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► and more of the economy transitions into digital items like what what does it mean to be paying real money for virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► or the other things that companies do is impose artificial scarcity on digital objects which is kind of crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► when you think about it like it's a digital object that can be replicated infinitely now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► but we're going to put it in like like a lot of online games do this that where there is a finite number of you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► certain kind of sword that will ever exist in that universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► and it's like well it's very strange it's a very interesting article. I would recommend reading it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► But it's I think it's a good companion piece in a way to this episode. You have T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► Because on this show you that you know one of the things you can spend your merits on is you know improving your avatar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:50 ◼ ► in this in this virtual world you know buying a hat for your your character and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7190">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► So yes yes I thought they did a little bit of an aspect to it which is you feel like every. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7194">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► He is rather separated from each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:03 ◼ ► and this is just this is a strange following of my conversation from Twitter you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7203">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► when they're not working people are again it's a little bit vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► but it seems like they can't quite leave their rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► and they all end up interacting with each other with these digital avatars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► and that they cleverly call topples short for doppelganger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► and the big thing that they're spending their money on is getting new clothes for their double [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► or you know this new hairstyle or these various objects that the devil can hold while he interacts with other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► and they like that is a perfect example of forcing a kind of scarcity where if they presumably can't interact with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► other outside of work hours then there is a value in the way your doppelganger looks on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► when he interacts with other people but it's like a total artificial artificial reality there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► So there's this one thing about this episode that makes me so well it doesn't make me surprised you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7256">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► but it made me think you wouldn't like this episode as much as some of the others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► and that is while all of this is going on and it's so brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► and I could see what really appeals to you as a You Tube there was an interest in advertising in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► and stuff like that. The other big thread of the story and kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:22 ◼ ► The escape from this world that you can get is that you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7282">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► and you can go into this talent show the sort of this show which is like The X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:29 ◼ ► Factor and that's your biggest gripe and two huge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7289">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► and various things happen I don't know how much we're going to talk about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► but it's a big it's a very big part of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► and I imagined from what I know of you you don't watch a lot of shows like The X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► Factor and they sort of talent shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► and there's a lot of there's a lot of things in the show in in Black Mirror that I thought were really clever not just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► in parodying the show but clever clever comments on those types of shows like X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7313">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► John and I would have imagined they would be you would be indifferent to them or they would be lost on me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:06 ◼ ► Did you or did you appreciate that aspect of this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7326">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► or was that kind of not as interesting to you I would be surprised if there were a lot of in jokes on that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► didn't get or references that are sort of over my head but I think even you can watch the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► and if you knew nothing about online talent shows you can still derive enjoyment from those segments because it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► just fits entirely within the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:33 ◼ ► So the way the way it works in the story is that people can earn fifteen million merits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7353">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► and they can buy a ticket to go on this talent show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► and this talent show is promoted all the time through the advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► and the people who have won the talent show are also promoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► and get one of the details I like is it's a bit it's a bit unclear like where are these people once. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► They won because they talk about how winning on this talent show gets you off the bike you don't have to be on the bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► anymore. Yeah but there's no there's no vision of where are these other people they just live in T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► Land now and they're singing for you or doing whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:13 ◼ ► and so the notion of this as an escape is very interesting in the mechanics of it with the judges being entertaining I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7393">TS</a>]
02:03:21 ◼ ► would bet there's a bunch of stuff in there that if I if I watch more of those shows I would it would make me like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7401">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► I felt totally engaged by it even without having probably the adequate background information although I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► that the one guy is supposed to look like Simon Callow I do know what Simon Callow looks like there's one guy on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► as like that they've got to be trying to be Simon Callow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► Here is the Simon coul figure he even sits on the PA even sits in the spot where Simon cassocks on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► Every guy that's why I don't know they have a boss that's pretty funny. I wouldn't want to judge them now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I don't know how much you want to talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► Well on the story in so many ways that's not really necessary I guess is more than well I guess if you want I'll give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► quick. I'll try do a quick summary of the rest of it and then I have a couple points on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► Like you know if you want to bring up now i know i know i Go ahead please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► OK so the the rest of what happens is basically our our main character meets a girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► and he clearly has a crush on her and he likes her and she has a pretty singing voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:29 ◼ ► and he buys a ticket for her to go on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7469">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► and basically bankrupt him he has no no real credits left just you know a couple hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► and he paid fifty million for her to go on the show and she's going up there to sing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► and it's a new season of their talent show. And what happens is she goes on and she sings her song. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► But there's a new judge on the panel who runs the pornography channel that keeps has been interrupting us all episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7494">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► And it turns out that they don't think she's a good enough singer to be a professional singer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► But the pornography guy wants her to be one of the girls on his channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► and this is also a call that there is just this enormous amount of peer pressure from the crowd and from the judges. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► And she has also been drugged with this again sort of unspecified compliance drug before she's gone on the stage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► So she's not fully in her right mind she's in an incredibly difficult situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:42 ◼ ► And this is where they do mention that you know I can't believe you're wasting everybody's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7542">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► and all of these credits you know who do you who do you like all of these people who are running the bikes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:52 ◼ ► You need to be grateful to them and take this amazing opportunity that most people will never get. And so she agrees. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7552">TS</a>]
02:06:00 ◼ ► And again like disappears you don't really know where she goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7560">TS</a>]
02:06:05 ◼ ► and in a terribly horrible crushing scene you see our main character later on in his room now with no credits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7565">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► and a pornography ad comes on and it's a special ad that's going to show you the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► and it is her her promotion and her first appearance on the Jaeger Fi Channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► and I've got to say I mean Black Mirror is a hard show to watch and if he can't he can't stop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:33 ◼ ► He can't turn the ad off because he's got no credits left and so he's being and this is someone he cared for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7593">TS</a>]
02:06:40 ◼ ► and tried to give an opportunity to and now he's being forced to watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7600">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► So to be exploited and yeah yeah like there are so many difficult scenes in Black Mirror that are very well done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► But this one this one is really up there it's like oh man you know this is all his fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► and you really you really understand how empty his life is before he even met this girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7615">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► and he thought he was doing the best thing for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► and she is clearly drugged in the video that comes up on the advertising like she's not really in her right mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► and they have her singing the song that she sung onstage and it's like it's hard to watch it's so hard wired. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► And that actor I don't know who that guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:21 ◼ ► but this guy is just an amazing actor I can't believe I haven't seen him in anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7641">TS</a>]
02:07:25 ◼ ► but he does a flip out scene where he ends up smashing some of the screens in his room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7645">TS</a>]
02:07:31 ◼ ► and it kind of ends with him on the ground crying and some of the screams are smashed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7651">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► But the ad is still going on in the background and it's just it is awful it is awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:45 ◼ ► But then the the finale of the show is he does have a shard of glass now from this broken screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7665">TS</a>]
02:07:53 ◼ ► and they do like a montage of him a montage sounds so cheesy it is again so well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7673">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► All done in the show like a montage of him filled with hatred and rage just cycling on the bike and buying nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► and being on borderline starvation because he doesn't want to pay for any of the food. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► Just saving up the fifteen million credits to get on the show and then he goes on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:21 ◼ ► He gets there he has the shard of glass in hidden in on himself and when he gets on the show he holds it to his neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7701">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► and again in an amazing performance because you've hardly heard this guy talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:35 ◼ ► and he gives this rage filled kind of incoherent monologue about how awful their whole society is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7715">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► and how the these judges are are the people sitting on the top of the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/7725">TS</a>]
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02:15:00 ◼ ► talent show that one of the guys watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8100">TS</a>]
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02:15:15 ◼ ► Shows but I didn't I didn't pick up on it the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8115">TS</a>]
02:15:18 ◼ ► but the fat person show that he watches is all the janitors are the contestants. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8118">TS</a>]
02:15:25 ◼ ► And it's about them being able to eat enough to win. And it's very it's very quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8125">TS</a>]
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02:15:51 ◼ ► But I love it that that kind of little detail is in the background. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:54 ◼ ► It's not fully explained you don't know what's going on with the janitor's but they're just they're just so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8154">TS</a>]
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02:16:14 ◼ ► in so many movies or someone turns to somebody else and explains to the character something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8174">TS</a>]
02:16:19 ◼ ► but really they're talking to you the audience all of these episodes of like the actors involved are just living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8179">TS</a>]
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02:17:15 ◼ ► Shows because any place you can get away with it. Small small audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:19 ◼ ► Maybe I still I still think most mosts I may like see those kind of details better than an average person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8239">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► but I still think you can get away with much more of the not talking about stuff in movies and T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8246">TS</a>]
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02:18:32 ◼ ► but you might not expect that I would like Black Mirror because I think it's fair to say that it is broadly if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8312">TS</a>]
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02:18:58 ◼ ► but I think it pulled it off just really well. It pulls it off in a smart way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8338">TS</a>]
02:19:03 ◼ ► It almost never is people actually complaining about the technology you know I think a good example is remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8343">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► first episode. Another one of them I'm going to yes go ahead. Spoiler alert. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8352">TS</a>]
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02:19:35 ◼ ► and is going to kill her unless the prime minister has sex with a pig on live T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8375">TS</a>]
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02:20:52 ◼ ► supposed to have sex with the pig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8452">TS</a>]
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02:21:08 ◼ ► There's a terrorist threatening to kill someone unless you have sex with a pig on live T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8468">TS</a>]
02:21:13 ◼ ► and Then another as a grim episode not a lot of laughs in that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8473">TS</a>]
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02:21:48 ◼ ► but Now it's a national thing and people are applauding it on social media sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:53 ◼ ► but they don't go out of their way to really harp on that. But it's still really clear that I command this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8513">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► Whole situation could have been handled a lot better if there wasn't social media around for the various twists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:08 ◼ ► And that's the kind of of commentary that I think is done really well like they're not shoving it in your face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8528">TS</a>]
02:22:12 ◼ ► They're just showing you through the things that happen like maybe his Twitter thing isn't all one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8532">TS</a>]
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02:22:25 ◼ ► but one of the real creative forces behind this obviously is Charlie Brooker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8545">TS</a>]
02:22:28 ◼ ► Man that's what I mean you know he's this guy isn't a this kind of cynical Black Mirror type guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8548">TS</a>]
02:22:36 ◼ ► but he's also a real technology guy he loves video games he uses Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8556">TS</a>]
02:22:40 ◼ ► He's a real consumer of media so I mean this you can see how this series would be born of people like him who who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8560">TS</a>]
02:22:49 ◼ ► hate and see all the bad things about technology but also love technology and live it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8569">TS</a>]
02:22:55 ◼ ► and I think you get if you get a fair depiction because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8575">TS</a>]
02:22:59 ◼ ► Yeah it's done really well it's not it's not demonizing technology it's just showing stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8579">TS</a>]
02:23:05 ◼ ► and like that like the future in the fifteen million merits episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8585">TS</a>]
02:23:09 ◼ ► It's not crazily unbelievable like many things that I see that involve future technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8589">TS</a>]
02:23:15 ◼ ► or I think that would that would never happen. It's like OK this is this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8595">TS</a>]
02:23:21 ◼ ► but as I cannot imagine a future where the economy is based almost entirely on virtual goods very easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:26 ◼ ► I don't think that that is a really hard stretch here. And sure the specifics of the story are crushing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8606">TS</a>]
02:23:34 ◼ ► But what's really crushing is this whole environment that they are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8614">TS</a>]
02:23:38 ◼ ► and like that is more what the episode is about the specifics of the people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8618">TS</a>]
02:23:42 ◼ ► So I think it is it is just great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8622">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► and you can feel Charlie Brooker's fingerprints all over a whole bunch of the episodes you can really feel has actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:54 ◼ ► ended up trying to find every internet discussion I could a fifty million marriage just to just to read what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8634">TS</a>]
02:24:00 ◼ ► Who lots of people commented that that episode sounds a lot like what Charlie Brooker might think of his own career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8640">TS</a>]
02:24:07 ◼ ► that that he is someone who does nothing but very accurate very devastating commentary on the media itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8647">TS</a>]
02:24:20 ◼ ► but he does it like he is part of part of the system like he can't you can't possibly not feel somewhat conflicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8660">TS</a>]
02:24:27 ◼ ► about that about the shows that he produces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8667">TS</a>]
02:24:30 ◼ ► and like he had a short lived news show that was very much this just talking about how terrible the news was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8670">TS</a>]
02:24:37 ◼ ► and it's just you can definitely imagine that he might see some parallels between his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8677">TS</a>]
02:24:45 ◼ ► and what happens to the main character of that episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8685">TS</a>]
02:24:48 ◼ ► It's funny you should say that I was at the airport once and I was buying one of Charlie Brooker's books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8688">TS</a>]
02:24:53 ◼ ► and as I was buying it from the guy in the shop in the gun shop said Charlie Brooker was in here just a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8693">TS</a>]
02:24:59 ◼ ► minutes ago. He's getting a flight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8699">TS</a>]
02:25:01 ◼ ► Sounds like oh well it's amazing what you know what was he like and did you talk to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8701">TS</a>]
02:25:05 ◼ ► and apparently he had with him these people you can hire at the airport they just walk around everywhere with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8705">TS</a>]
02:25:10 ◼ ► and if anyone tries to come up and talk to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8710">TS</a>]
02:25:13 ◼ ► Your lot pushed away like a like a security guard you know your own private bodyguard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8713">TS</a>]
02:25:18 ◼ ► and I did find that funny that you know Charlie because this man of the people every man on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8718">TS</a>]
02:25:23 ◼ ► and yet he's That seems like quite a Hollywood thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8723">TS</a>]
02:25:26 ◼ ► and I would imagine he was someone that would do that an airport you know famous people airports all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8726">TS</a>]
02:25:34 ◼ ► and for that I will never think less of people for doing something like that because I didn't think less of him for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8734">TS</a>]
02:25:40 ◼ ► just thought it was it was just there was a it was a conflict between his image is one of May [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8740">TS</a>]
02:25:46 ◼ ► and then I realized he's not one of my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8746">TS</a>]
02:25:49 ◼ ► Well this is what on my second viewing of the episode The thing that really I thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8749">TS</a>]
02:25:54 ◼ ► when I noticed the main character has this set inside his actual house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8754">TS</a>]
02:26:00 ◼ ► Is when what was it was called News wipe was that his dream up a new one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8760">TS</a>]
02:26:07 ◼ ► I will also highly recommend a new swipe for a variety of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8767">TS</a>]
02:26:10 ◼ ► but he has in there a set which I don't even know if it's a set or if it's actual house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8770">TS</a>]
02:26:16 ◼ ► but he is almost always talking to you as though he is just in this kind of junky room that is in his lounge watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8776">TS</a>]
02:26:28 ◼ ► I have often wondered about that room because it is very cluttered is very untidy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8788">TS</a>]
02:26:34 ◼ ► and you know I don't know if that actually shot in his room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8794">TS</a>]
02:26:39 ◼ ► or like the main character in this episode is this is this a set somewhere that he is filming this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8799">TS</a>]
02:26:44 ◼ ► but either way it is to present this image of him as this kind of unshaven like disheveled normal dude who is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8804">TS</a>]
02:26:57 ◼ ► and They're like Oh it's very interesting that that your main character in this episode has his old cell that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8817">TS</a>]
02:27:04 ◼ ► broadcasting from he's not broadcasting from his actual house. Maybe there's a parallel there Charlie Brooker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8824">TS</a>]
02:27:24 ◼ ► So can you believe it. We've made it to the end of season two series to this is this is it isn't. Yeah this is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8844">TS</a>]
02:27:33 ◼ ► Twenty. Did you think we'd get to twenty. No I didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8853">TS</a>]
02:27:38 ◼ ► when we started this thing I thought we might be over promising with ten I thought I was deeply worried about even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8858">TS</a>]
02:27:48 ◼ ► I thought I don't know I don't know about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8868">TS</a>]
02:27:52 ◼ ► but so here we are at more than twice what I thought we might not even make in the first place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8872">TS</a>]
02:27:58 ◼ ► What's got what's going on. We do it now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8878">TS</a>]
02:28:01 ◼ ► Yes So normally I would love to end this ambiguously because I think that is kind of fun to have the short endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8881">TS</a>]
02:28:10 ◼ ► or the abrupt endings I should say and of the season ending especially to just make no comment on whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8890">TS</a>]
02:28:15 ◼ ► or not there will be another one. I would normally love to do that but I think this time around we can say that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8895">TS</a>]
02:28:22 ◼ ► Well I will say anyway that if you are willing to commit to another ten I say we should do another season are you up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8902">TS</a>]
02:28:29 ◼ ► for that as long as we can as long as I can continue asking you those random questions one unexpected question might do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8909">TS</a>]
02:28:36 ◼ ► you dance. Can I keep doing that. OK All right. If that's the if that is the price of your cooperation I will say it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8916">TS</a>]
02:28:48 ◼ ► I'm I would say we can negotiate data as light of it I might want to also get a plane crash going to close in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8928">TS</a>]
02:28:53 ◼ ► summer but I'm happy to keep it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8933">TS</a>]
02:28:57 ◼ ► I'm glad because I have to say I have I have really enjoyed doing these so far I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8937">TS</a>]
02:29:02 ◼ ► and I think if you feel the same way and yeah it's been an interesting experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8942">TS</a>]
02:29:07 ◼ ► and I'm happy I don't know if we will be able to make it to thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8947">TS</a>]
02:29:12 ◼ ► but I feel like I can make a promise I'm trying to make it to thirty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8952">TS</a>]
02:29:16 ◼ ► No problem which says we haven't even talked about some of the things I feel most passionately about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8956">TS</a>]
02:29:22 ◼ ► Yes And this this episode tonight I think we had maybe six things that we wanted to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8962">TS</a>]
02:29:28 ◼ ► and we got to maybe two of them. So there's a there's at least another episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8968">TS</a>]
02:29:34 ◼ ► But everyone needs we do get along by the way everyone is like we are not friendly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8974">TS</a>]
02:29:39 ◼ ► Yeah I think people I think sometimes think people way that like we don't like each other very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8979">TS</a>]
02:29:44 ◼ ► but we have friends who can disagree on a very large number of things but sometimes I do worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8984">TS</a>]
02:29:49 ◼ ► when I'm editing the pod cast it sounds like I'm angry and I don't I never mean for that to be the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8989">TS</a>]
02:29:55 ◼ ► I never I don't I am never actually angry at you Brady you have to treat me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/8995">TS</a>]
02:30:00 ◼ ► I tremendously sometimes but anger is not there. You're not angry disappointed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9000">TS</a>]
02:30:11 ◼ ► when he got you know I was surprised I have to say that people who listen to the podcast have been very supportive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9011">TS</a>]
02:30:18 ◼ ► and one of the things that they have constantly said is you know I have enough razors and websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9018">TS</a>]
02:30:24 ◼ ► and audiobooks is there any other way that I can and help the show and we're thinking about a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9024">TS</a>]
02:30:30 ◼ ► but one of the things that we do have now is a hello internet T. Shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9030">TS</a>]
02:30:36 ◼ ► So in the show notes I'm going to put a link to a T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9036">TS</a>]
02:30:39 ◼ ► Shirt that you can buy if you want to help support the show and that's going to be available over at D F T B A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9039">TS</a>]
02:30:46 ◼ ► and it's going to be a great shirt with the hello internet logo on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9046">TS</a>]
02:30:51 ◼ ► Can I just say I think I can say this to I think I can imagine it from how you just described. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9051">TS</a>]
02:30:59 ◼ ► It's just thought that the H.I.I. Is that with that with your cool border on it and stuff. Yes yes I was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9059">TS</a>]
02:31:04 ◼ ► You didn't you didn't want to go for like just a big picture of my face or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9064">TS</a>]
02:31:08 ◼ ► I didn't think pay for the guy for that on a T. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9068">TS</a>]
02:31:11 ◼ ► Shirt I have to say that did not occur to me as one of the options of how we might go to the show baby. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9071">TS</a>]
02:31:20 ◼ ► Huge demand for it that can be a specialty a special special item you didn't see my face was one of their main selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9080">TS</a>]
02:31:28 ◼ ► points. Oh do you know what we have got we could use or treat the puppy Adri on a T. Shirt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9088">TS</a>]
02:31:35 ◼ ► Maybe everyone likes to keep up a everybody does like a cute puppy and you like promoting that cute puppy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9095">TS</a>]
02:31:41 ◼ ► This this could be this could be synergy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9101">TS</a>]
02:31:43 ◼ ► What about plane crash connotations once we set out of fellow internet patients like little nations maybe I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9103">TS</a>]
02:31:51 ◼ ► you know this is red hot gas is a strange thing I think we are we are looking into ways to help keep it going and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9111">TS</a>]
02:32:02 ◼ ► Shirt is a way that people can support the show if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9122">TS</a>]
02:32:05 ◼ ► or if they just want to look super cool wearing a gigantic H. Igh on the front of your chest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9125">TS</a>]
02:32:12 ◼ ► I'm sure you will get make lots of friends that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUYNsIs/9132">TS</a>]