00:00:05 ◼ ► Let us start the show properly now we've dealt with more technical problems which is always the worst way to stop what [TS]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Yes the trend though is super exciting for people listening to us to hear about our technical problems. [TS]
00:00:17 ◼ ► Last time we mentioned patriotic as a way for people to support us we recorded quite possibly the worst advertisement [TS]
00:00:27 ◼ ► We did it on the spot recording of an advertisement which sounded like a good idea in theory [TS]
00:00:37 ◼ ► But in spite of our atrocious advertisement we have many people to thank for supporting us on the picture so I just [TS]
00:00:44 ◼ ► wanted to say thank you to all of those people who have decided to chip in to help the show. [TS]
00:00:59 ◼ ► and your name will be listed there as one of our official patrons So thank you very much like a hall of fame sort of [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► you know it is like the most amazing Hall of Fame that there ever has been I think is the best way to describe Have you [TS]
00:01:13 ◼ ► and it looks like the names of you can go to what we're recording this ahead of time so right now I have actually done [TS]
00:01:19 ◼ ► nothing at all. Where it was a very have to pretend great right because we'll be listening to this in the future. [TS]
00:01:38 ◼ ► but people be listening to us on Christmas morning possibly if they are incredibly dedicated fans because this is our [TS]
00:01:46 ◼ ► Can you put podcasts up on Christmas morning like to the Apple elves work on Christmas Day to approve pod casts [TS]
00:01:53 ◼ ► Well I guess this is another one of these things that we are going to find out and it could be a Boxing Day edition. [TS]
00:02:11 ◼ ► In fact even if I didn't listen to it I probably have a clue that I met later because that was the name of the podcast [TS]
00:02:18 ◼ ► I went to I went to this charity thing at Bristol So David Prowse who played Darth Vader was there [TS]
00:02:28 ◼ ► I held something back because I want to talk about it with you and I have since talked about it with you [TS]
00:02:34 ◼ ► and I want to talk about it with a few other people and I'm now in a position to tell the whole story. Please do. [TS]
00:02:44 ◼ ► and his contribution was he was donating an opportunity to watch the original Star Wars movie with him [TS]
00:02:52 ◼ ► and twenty of your friends had a sort of V.I.P. Screening held at the zoo and then have a Q. [TS]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and A with him afterwards and just hang out. So what style was with The Fighter and then hang out with him. [TS]
00:03:02 ◼ ► Pretty cool process it was a pretty cool is a pretty cool for us now. Argo I was a bit excited by the whole night. [TS]
00:03:08 ◼ ► And I was sitting with her and we were all dressed up in tuxes and I've had a few wines and everything was good [TS]
00:03:16 ◼ ► and I had sort of add a bit and then when the auction came I suddenly had a rush of blood [TS]
00:03:22 ◼ ► and I thought this is I'm going to go for this is your moment this is my moment I've always wanted to be like that cool [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► So I've got this which is kind of funny in a way because our same style was a million times [TS]
00:03:56 ◼ ► Anyway I don't think I don't think that auction was aimed. People who've never seen Star Wars. [TS]
00:04:06 ◼ ► But because I've sat next to David present his wife I kind of you know the novelty of getting to spend a lot of time [TS]
00:04:13 ◼ ► but I did enjoy his company so much that that actually enhanced the prop the prize in my eyes [TS]
00:04:18 ◼ ► but I did I did I did on with an agenda. If I won and now that I have won it was time to deliver on that. [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► and I've discussed it with a few other important people including David press him self so I'm in a position to [TS]
00:04:32 ◼ ► partially reveal the plan and that plan is we going to make available a selection of seats at the screening [TS]
00:04:47 ◼ ► and so we're going to say it's a chance for hello internet listeners who want to come and watch Star Wars with you [TS]
00:04:52 ◼ ► and I and with Darth Vader himself come and hang out with us when we make these tickets or positions [TS]
00:05:00 ◼ ► or seats available. However we do that. I don't know I don't know how we're going to do that. [TS]
00:05:05 ◼ ► Yes yes we have not we have not figured out a lot of details yet we don't know yet. [TS]
00:05:13 ◼ ► This isn't to go towards the hello internet private jet this is all the money from this is for South African penguins. [TS]
00:05:21 ◼ ► I've spoken to the people of Bristol and they will also organize for us all to have a tour of the and look around [TS]
00:05:38 ◼ ► There's problems with South African penguins I think basically I don't know why this happens [TS]
00:05:43 ◼ ► but it seems like the parents keep leaving their chicks to go foraging for food and when they don't come back. [TS]
00:05:48 ◼ ► And there's always problems with these penguin chicks in the past two days got this big program where they sort of [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► saving the chicks and saving the penguin colonies the trying to raise money for that. [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► Yes I think we want to specify that the money is not going to us because we also decide it is probably the fairest [TS]
00:06:08 ◼ ► when we have decided the details we are going to first give that information to the patriotic supporters of the show. [TS]
00:06:17 ◼ ► Yes we're not now we're not saying that it's going to be limited to patron supporters that is not the way it's going to [TS]
00:06:29 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I guess I figure they're probably the biggest superfans anyway so there are people who might think that [TS]
00:06:35 ◼ ► coming all the way to Bristol to watch Star Wars with us is a worthwhile endeavor. [TS]
00:06:47 ◼ ► Yeah it's not that's not the only way to find out but it's a very good way to find out. Yes whatever's going to happen. [TS]
00:06:53 ◼ ► Your best chance of getting a ticket and right away it's going to be being on the on the patron [TS]
00:07:02 ◼ ► but that's why I want to emphasize that the ticket money the ticket the ticket sale themselves will be going to [TS]
00:07:14 ◼ ► I'm actually in some ways just hanging out with like a bunch of hello internet people in news is pretty cool anyway. [TS]
00:07:22 ◼ ► and then watch Star Wars with Darth Vader afterwards that's been that's pretty clear I think that's really the selling [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► David will sign it for you because he signs he's pretty used to Santa Fe to pictures [TS]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and I'm sure Gray will sign up for a death that we very have an interest in those I don't know what you bring in bring [TS]
00:07:50 ◼ ► along a piece of plane wreckage and also that for you if you want to verify that I was someone who wrote me this [TS]
00:08:06 ◼ ► That sounds difficult to sign but it was it was difficult isn't it. Knows just yet to shoot the hardest really people. [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► I Phone Now if you want to come in so they come and see Star Wars and zoo animals with hello internet and beta [TS]
00:08:24 ◼ ► or do you think anyone will actually listen on Christmas Day I don't know possibly people will listen on Christmas Day [TS]
00:08:38 ◼ ► I bet some people listen on Christmas day. Would you listen to a podcast on Christmas day. [TS]
00:08:50 ◼ ► and partly because in in my family I think I sort of alluded to before Christmas Eve was usually actually the bigger [TS]
00:08:56 ◼ ► day because of the Dutch connection in my family we usually opened the presents on Christmas Eve so we didn't open the [TS]
00:09:04 ◼ ► presents on Christmas Day and that was always the big the big celebration was was that day. [TS]
00:09:16 ◼ ► And I always remember having the strange feeling of like almost like twelve noon on Christmas day somehow Christmas is [TS]
00:09:24 ◼ ► It just doesn't feel like it's Christmas anymore and I still have that as an adult somehow that that Christmas. [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and so I think there would be if there are people like me there will be afternoon Christmas Day podcast listeners. [TS]
00:09:44 ◼ ► and maybe you're just you know you're relaxing somewhere possibly away from your family for a few moments of respite. [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► Hello if you're listening to the soothing tones of seed you can grow in the Brady to get stiffed. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► It's funny how like what you think Christmas is like unlike your childhood Christmas sort of gets locked in [TS]
00:10:06 ◼ ► and of the other ways that people do Christmas like just you never really become comfortable with other people's ways [TS]
00:10:13 ◼ ► but I'm the same as you actually feel for various family reasons Christmas Eve was always more exciting because that's [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► when we saw you know the auntie and uncle who were the ones who we did fun presence within the fun cousins and stuff. [TS]
00:10:25 ◼ ► Then Christmas Day We did other things and so Christmas Eve was just it was more exciting for me. [TS]
00:10:34 ◼ ► From Australia from the Southern Hemisphere like I cannot get used to the fact for example that people just watch so. [TS]
00:10:58 ◼ ► And you know there are special movies that they released on the day like you know the latest Harry Potter film will [TS]
00:11:03 ◼ ► premiere on Christmas Day and things like that and in Australia where it's sunny and you just go outside [TS]
00:11:11 ◼ ► I think if I turned the television on in Australia on Christmas Day Well I would've got in trouble as a kid. [TS]
00:11:20 ◼ ► I'm remembering now that when when I was younger my family for two out of the three Lord of the Rings movies we went [TS]
00:11:35 ◼ ► or just slightly before Christmas Day But so yes there are a couple of watching Lord of the Rings on Christmas Day is [TS]
00:11:41 ◼ ► in my family the other thing that's crazy to me that it seems so many people in the U.K. [TS]
00:11:47 ◼ ► Is seeing their friends on Christmas Day like go to the pub or go out with their friends in the evening. [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► But to me that Christmas day was like Christmas Day I was the one day of the year practically that I was banned from [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► My my for my next door neighbors who I want to play cricket with you know every day of my life [TS]
00:12:03 ◼ ► or you know go swimming with all my might so my school friends was like this was the one day of the year we were all [TS]
00:12:09 ◼ ► kind of told no you're not allowed to play cricket with Stephen and Adam today right. [TS]
00:12:15 ◼ ► You're going to see your family this is a family day right this is the one day of the year you can give your friends a [TS]
00:12:27 ◼ ► and then it's off to the pub with friends that you have just made it funny living in living in London. [TS]
00:12:32 ◼ ► I've known many more immigrants I think than English people over my time so I don't necessarily have a good sense of [TS]
00:12:43 ◼ ► OK now I'm a bit more I'm a bit more ingratiated into England than I So you are sure you are saying you've gone native [TS]
00:12:50 ◼ ► I have gone a bit native look what we're talking about Christmas let me change the order of things a bit because things [TS]
00:12:56 ◼ ► are getting Christmas Day And you know you promised to send me a picture of your Christmas tree. [TS]
00:13:06 ◼ ► Are you ashamed now I just honestly I just it hasn't crossed my mind I can message how life in the other room right now. [TS]
00:13:11 ◼ ► If you want to picture the Christmas tree yeah I want to I want to nail during the show. [TS]
00:13:15 ◼ ► You want right now I want to chew on it during the show. Let me message to Mrs Skinner on tour I want to see this tray. [TS]
00:13:23 ◼ ► Well I was going to I was going to give you a hard time about that unless I tell you we we we [TS]
00:13:28 ◼ ► when shows outrĂ© we like something we've done a couple times now going and cutting it down ourselves like choosing [TS]
00:13:38 ◼ ► Have you have you ever done when I was growing up we always had a plastic tree we never had a real tree. [TS]
00:13:50 ◼ ► and one last time something he would never occur to me to do yet and we have not done the go into the forest [TS]
00:14:00 ◼ ► It mainly because we're living in central London and so it is a little bit difficult to get out into the forest [TS]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and picking up some pre-selected trees prio executed three executed trees yes that is that is what we do well next year [TS]
00:14:18 ◼ ► you come out with us and you can come and you can come and help us choose a trade because it's so much fun. [TS]
00:14:24 ◼ ► Sounds like a long day that sounds like a long day. It's my work it's really easy and really fun. [TS]
00:14:31 ◼ ► and the one we went to the sea was really good because they put ribbons on the ones you're allowed to cut down [TS]
00:14:42 ◼ ► and at this particular place every single one of them has like a name unlike they've given fun names [TS]
00:14:48 ◼ ► and the name colors your choice in some ways as well as what the train looks like wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. [TS]
00:14:56 ◼ ► Yes Like this tree is called Tom Yes Well the one we ended up with was called Spencer. [TS]
00:15:04 ◼ ► and some of the last thing someone has to name all the trees how I'm wondering a forest full of trees [TS]
00:15:12 ◼ ► or it's not like it's not like a return of the Jed I taught for a set to stretches forever it's a bit more [TS]
00:15:20 ◼ ► and I marvel at all the names in Ikea I think it is exhausting coming up with names for all of these products. [TS]
00:15:25 ◼ ► I'm a distant visioning like how many items are there in Ikea versus how many trees in this forest that you're going to. [TS]
00:15:30 ◼ ► Yeah it would always say he would have had to come up with a few hundred names at least. [TS]
00:15:34 ◼ ► Yeah I often think that about people that run dog sanctuary says well we're not going to give all the dogs names. [TS]
00:15:42 ◼ ► Yeah they must recycle the names they must recycle I've got the picture of the Christmas tree. [TS]
00:15:53 ◼ ► Yeah you've done well it's it's it's quite close to a style as well so I can't even begin to tell you how to set it. [TS]
00:16:03 ◼ ► but also a touch of randomness I think you've done well you do need it you do need a touch of randomness if it's too [TS]
00:16:10 ◼ ► Yeah but for some reason we have I don't know what this is I don't know what this is [TS]
00:16:16 ◼ ► and I'm going to get some Christmas tree lights that are in a string so I can arrange it. [TS]
00:16:33 ◼ ► and I don't under I don't understand the reasoning for this I don't understand why this is the case [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► and two strands that are single strands like you know single strand in the way sanity deems it should be. [TS]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Yeah and as a result of this I have had a heck of a time trying to balance the lights to my satisfaction [TS]
00:16:55 ◼ ► and then just getting irritated because it doesn't look right so I go over and try to adjust it. [TS]
00:16:59 ◼ ► But because of this the loop loop strand disparity I am not able to achieve satisfaction so I am unhappy with the [TS]
00:17:06 ◼ ► distribution I mean in this light you send me it looks like the lots at the top of the tree are actually switched on I [TS]
00:17:14 ◼ ► I think I can't completely judge on how well you've done the lots but from what I can say I find it quite pleasing. [TS]
00:17:22 ◼ ► Yeah I did notice this is the top of the picture cut off or is there no star on the tray nothing on top. [TS]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Do you want to share with the group that don't need to share every tiny detail of my fuzziness about everything is just [TS]
00:17:40 ◼ ► We can just leave it that that star acquisition was not satisfactory This year however you sent me a picture of your [TS]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Christmas tree yet I again I'm going to say this and you can take it the wrong way [TS]
00:18:00 ◼ ► Our is never something that I would pick for myself but I think it looks absolutely great on your tree. [TS]
00:18:14 ◼ ► Yeah the thing at the top of the tree no matter what it is is a star saying no no no no no this is your getting into my [TS]
00:18:25 ◼ ► Whatever it is at the top of the tree it's a star nine nine and I saw I saw a Christmas tree decoration. [TS]
00:18:30 ◼ ► I think on Reddit presumably on Reddit which was somebody had a King Kong at the top of his Christmas tree that had an [TS]
00:18:43 ◼ ► So even if there is a King Kong at the top of your tree it is still a star I refer to that as a star. [TS]
00:18:53 ◼ ► My my mom was the chief decorator of a Christmas tree and I was very she's a very particular woman [TS]
00:19:01 ◼ ► and like sings how she likes them. So we were we were given only a minimal role in A Christmas tree decorating. [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► If that wood around the back maybe we got away with it but otherwise they might end up getting moved [TS]
00:19:24 ◼ ► and sorry she completely so I managed to just so scarred by this I can't even tell the story she had a very strong [TS]
00:19:38 ◼ ► OK I always wanted a star as a starter because I thought that's the more cliched one [TS]
00:19:49 ◼ ► And I guess when you're young you just want to fit in and you want everything to be the same as everything else [TS]
00:19:53 ◼ ► and you want your Christmas tree to be the same as everything else and so I was a was and why can't we have style. [TS]
00:20:00 ◼ ► We always have to have an angel because I thought you know an angel was a big square [TS]
00:20:03 ◼ ► and you know I don't know I just didn't like a lot of the stuff. So anyway that my mom was one of the angel of light. [TS]
00:20:16 ◼ ► and I have my own Christmas tree my my wife's away better decorated the manger again she takes the lead role [TS]
00:20:22 ◼ ► and I'm pretty much on the bench and I get to put the decoration on and maybe get sidelined if I'm not doing well [TS]
00:20:32 ◼ ► I'm having a stylist out the top of my trade none of this stuff that was like That was May You know I've got my own [TS]
00:20:39 ◼ ► house now I can have it on top of the trade so every year so far we have had a traditional style. [TS]
00:20:48 ◼ ► This year my wife said Actually I prefer to enjoy and I deny I was Paul I'd probably done something wrong [TS]
00:20:57 ◼ ► or I was in the doghouse so I wasn't in a position to anyone sorry to say she said we have an angel whether you want to [TS]
00:21:05 ◼ ► So I'm yet again stuck with an angel on top of the tray when what I really really want is a stop. [TS]
00:21:14 ◼ ► and said Oh I like you stop your cut me date because I want to step up I haven't go [TS]
00:21:24 ◼ ► I you know I and I understand I understand you know that when that when you're grown up you want things your own way [TS]
00:21:31 ◼ ► and sometimes you don't get it. And it's sad. Let's talk about Star Wars. Now that's not to say something off the bat. [TS]
00:21:39 ◼ ► OK A lot of people seem to think that I forced you into doing something you didn't want to do by watching that trailer [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► would you DID YOU DON'T YOU HAVE NEVER in your life done anything you don't want to do as far as I can tell [TS]
00:21:51 ◼ ► and you sure as heck I've never done anything. I've asked you to do that you didn't want to do. [TS]
00:22:00 ◼ ► You want to watch it you just like me when I come to you to make me buy tech technology products. [TS]
00:22:05 ◼ ► You just what you wanted me to push you into it. I disagree with your assessment here. [TS]
00:22:10 ◼ ► First of all it is correct that in our relationship you do sometimes as I refer to it ask me to bully you into [TS]
00:22:21 ◼ ► But with the Star Wars trailer I can honestly say that did we not have a pod cast. [TS]
00:22:28 ◼ ► There is no way you could have ever talked me into watching that trailer you know you didn't want to. [TS]
00:22:39 ◼ ► I did it for our amazing audience when other people are upset. Now the people are upset. [TS]
00:22:58 ◼ ► I never would have watched it but I watched it and how many times have you watched this [TS]
00:23:07 ◼ ► and gone through it a little bit slower like you know what's this of those Pod races in the back and [TS]
00:23:13 ◼ ► and the other thing which is of course the joy is that I can then listen to other people talk about the Star Wars [TS]
00:23:20 ◼ ► trailer so there was a there was a good episode of the incomparable which is a podcast I think you [TS]
00:23:26 ◼ ► and I both listen to and I don't know how However you have it is like the trailer is a minute and a half [TS]
00:23:32 ◼ ► and they talked about the trailer for an hour and a half or so I forget what the exact numbers are [TS]
00:23:37 ◼ ► You're like you're like a you like an alcoholic falling off the wagon let you watch that one in your life now is going [TS]
00:23:50 ◼ ► The red letter media guys did uplink it review the Star Wars trailers I had to watch that [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► Did open up to me a whole world of media that I could not have consumed otherwise so that what I'm not going to lie [TS]
00:24:06 ◼ ► that was enjoyable but the question of what would I have done it on my own would you have been able to talk me into it. [TS]
00:24:11 ◼ ► If the circumstance were different now you would not have been able to talk me into that I want to know what you think [TS]
00:24:21 ◼ ► or a little video which was the final shot of the Millennium Falcon stabilized yet oh I don't know people never seen [TS]
00:24:31 ◼ ► The most hilarious stuff I can possibly point to you is there is an entire sub Reddit dedicated to Star Trek stabilized [TS]
00:24:43 ◼ ► when you've seen any episode of Star Trek you know there's always oh the Shield had been hit Captain where you know [TS]
00:24:48 ◼ ► we're down to forty percent and the camera always shakes and everybody flies about the room. [TS]
00:24:57 ◼ ► Which will then figure out how the camera moved to basically undo that so you can look at the scene as though through a [TS]
00:25:04 ◼ ► camera that had just remained stable and some of the Star Trek stabilized stuff is just hilarious. [TS]
00:25:11 ◼ ► You cannot imagine how terrible the actors look when they are trying to fling themselves away from control panels [TS]
00:25:18 ◼ ► or fall on the floor because obviously the room that they're in isn't moving at all [TS]
00:25:26 ◼ ► and it is Star Trek stabilizes it is hilarious and and very enjoyable. So somebody did that for the Millennium Falcon. [TS]
00:25:33 ◼ ► And what it revealed was that the Millennium Falcon did not perform the maneuvers that we sort of thought it did [TS]
00:25:43 ◼ ► It just basically does a dive and pulls up so the maneuver is much more simple than it looks when you watch the film. [TS]
00:25:50 ◼ ► Yeah we were kind of thinking of it that the Millennium Falcon was spinning around and narrowly avoiding stuff [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Nimble and agile and a lot of people said no it was not a job it was just the camera that made it look at jobs. [TS]
00:26:05 ◼ ► Yes So people were sending us this stabilized thing in response. So what are your thoughts on this. [TS]
00:26:15 ◼ ► when stabilized is still skimming pretty close to the sand for a big clunky I still think it's an fast agile maneuver [TS]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and things like that I am aware of that looking like you don't know that it's not like I don't know that [TS]
00:26:42 ◼ ► but I still want to think of a bit of an old clunker and you think of all your best memories of the Millennium Falcon. [TS]
00:26:50 ◼ ► Most of them involve being broken on the ground or things going wrong or for worse. [TS]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Rob Rob Rob That is my favorite memory of the Millennium Falcon. So let's say let's say that first. [TS]
00:27:02 ◼ ► Secondly if it takes a whole bunch of geeks on the Internet to apply this stabilization to show that it's not doing [TS]
00:27:14 ◼ ► That's an indictment on the filmmaker because the filmmakers job is to convey an impression [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► and if you can unpick it to show that it wasn't well so what we're not going to be sitting there watching the film [TS]
00:27:29 ◼ ► when it comes out with stabilisation goggles on so that we can know what's really going on. [TS]
00:27:38 ◼ ► and I So I think this whole look you know it was the camera that doesn't cut it. Yeah I'm with you one hundred percent. [TS]
00:27:48 ◼ ► That's what this is and there's a phrase it comes from Futurama and so one is you are technically correct. [TS]
00:28:00 ◼ ► It's getting to be technically correct about the moves that the Millennium Falcon can do while visually conveying an [TS]
00:28:10 ◼ ► I give the stabilization thing a kind of thumbs down in that if people have not seen it the special George Lucas [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► You can tell it is made by someone who the Special Editions really got under their skin [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► but there is a part that I wanted to highlight to you which was the rocks over the droid that block your field of view [TS]
00:28:40 ◼ ► and those are not just any old rocks. Do you know where those are from in the Special Editions. [TS]
00:28:50 ◼ ► Try that one so I'll probably watch that special edition trailer half as many times I've watched it actually I think it [TS]
00:28:55 ◼ ► is just hilarious. The final shot with the Millennium Falcon and a million typewriters gets me every time. [TS]
00:29:01 ◼ ► If so in the very first Star Wars movies when Luke Skywalker gets knocked out by the same people. R.T.D. [TS]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and in this special edition version for just completely not understandable reasons. [TS]
00:29:19 ◼ ► When they penned to R two D two they added in a whole bunch of rocks on the screen so that he's really hidden behind [TS]
00:29:29 ◼ ► and this is a perfect example of messing with something for no reason. Who needed those rocks there. [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► Nobody And when you place them there you also introduce a problem of how how the heck did R.T.D. [TS]
00:29:45 ◼ ► and it's just a just a great example of just messing with things for absolutely no to no benefit at all just to messing [TS]
00:29:54 ◼ ► That was a brilliant brilliant move and I feel like really stick the knife in directly to George Lucas. So come on. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Going to hurry up with this podcast might you know you tell me about this plan get review I want to go. [TS]
00:30:05 ◼ ► Should've told me about I'm sorry I'm sorry it's long to we can't stop and just you know now [TS]
00:30:10 ◼ ► and I watch only where we get stuck on the follow up so we gotta keep cracking on. [TS]
00:30:15 ◼ ► Well I just wanted to point something out a video a number fall video of mine made quite a while ago that we've [TS]
00:30:21 ◼ ► mentioned on the podcast before because you've said it was kind of an addition for the podcast [TS]
00:30:26 ◼ ► and the notes to me it was it was your audition you did not know if it wasn't the first time [TS]
00:30:34 ◼ ► but this was a this was a longer one I helped I helped you out under very different circumstances. [TS]
00:30:39 ◼ ► Yeah so anyway the one we're talking about just passed last week passed a million views so I thought it was a good [TS]
00:30:47 ◼ ► chance to bring it up just to get under your skin again because yes the video is titled numbers confuse Americans. [TS]
00:31:09 ◼ ► and we are talking about differences grays not in the video by the way before you all get excited it's an animated [TS]
00:31:16 ◼ ► and see his face who knows what who did you have do the animations that I was picking up. [TS]
00:31:22 ◼ ► Yep you did a good job in those animation so you have to like the vest yet so the video is too American ex-pats [TS]
00:31:34 ◼ ► and they're just some common thing that that if you if you ever live abroad you run into this kind of stuff like the [TS]
00:31:39 ◼ ► phone numbers don't have the same rhythm that you're expecting from your home country this kind of stuff. [TS]
00:31:44 ◼ ► But you titled the video numbers confuse American which is pretty much what you said about five seconds ago except with [TS]
00:31:51 ◼ ► a whole lot of Qual of us attached. OK but the correct title of this video should be British numbers confuse Americans. [TS]
00:32:03 ◼ ► I don't implies that all Americans are baffled by the notion of numbering thing that Amber [TS]
00:32:13 ◼ ► and can we assign them a number I don't know it's so confusing right that that's what your title then why would you [TS]
00:32:18 ◼ ► have would you have allowed if I'd called it numbers that confuse Americans. Godhead is better but just barely. [TS]
00:32:28 ◼ ► and find our our methods like you agreed at some points to change the title and then you just never did. [TS]
00:32:40 ◼ ► If there is a reason I haven't you've gone back on your word as far as I'm concerned that's the only thing that yes I [TS]
00:32:49 ◼ ► and there is so many people have commented on that if I now changed it would it would make all the all the [TS]
00:32:56 ◼ ► conversational comments redundant you were just looking for an excuse not to change it not knowing what to say I mean I [TS]
00:33:01 ◼ ► could change it right now it would mean nothing to me. OK if it means it means a lot on the thing to you change it. [TS]
00:33:36 ◼ ► but I just think you can put too many boring words in a title and it just becomes there [TS]
00:33:45 ◼ ► and you just got to pick a few words. Numbers confusion Americans and go What's this about and that is what it's about. [TS]
00:34:00 ◼ ► A bit like you know if if if I had a video of American people tripping over like falling over you know steps [TS]
00:34:09 ◼ ► and banging their heads I would call that Americans trip over I wouldn't you know that doesn't mean every American is [TS]
00:34:19 ◼ ► That just means that in this video I'm showing you cases when Americans have tripped over. [TS]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Just like in this particular video I'm showing you cases where numbers confuse Americans. [TS]
00:34:29 ◼ ► Now to me this title is over the line all the way all of the relevant information is missing. [TS]
00:34:42 ◼ ► and in this case I was trying to put up my internet is being particularly slow for some reason. [TS]
00:34:46 ◼ ► I'm trying to think about what my most why most misleading headline might be and that might be. [TS]
00:34:56 ◼ ► But I would argue that that headline is necessary for what that video is trying to accomplish. [TS]
00:35:07 ◼ ► and you decide people on the Read it if you think that that title is over the line well I don't think it is. [TS]
00:35:13 ◼ ► Unlike Gray's title which I would say the writers will obviously agree is way over the line. [TS]
00:35:21 ◼ ► If I think the part of the part of the fun of the video is kind of the you know the parochial with the divisiveness [TS]
00:35:27 ◼ ► between the two sides of the Atlantic so why not have a headline that plays to that [TS]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and you know stare the hornet's nest because it's a bit like I mean you're very scathing you know in a nice way about [TS]
00:35:39 ◼ ► certain aspects of the way the British use numbers like the numbering system on strings and things [TS]
00:35:45 ◼ ► and that's just kind of the game of that video it's kind of a friendly banter dare I use the word banter [TS]
00:35:51 ◼ ► but if you say so it sounds like I have to change it now I mean I fall in the fall [TS]
00:35:57 ◼ ► but how how much you value your word I guess as well. They're not going to change it. How much you value your word. [TS]
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00:38:13 ◼ ► I think there's only so much time we can spend talking about i Phones and we have done it quite a bit [TS]
00:38:19 ◼ ► but I thought I would let people and you know that I have a new i Phone I think this is very exciting news. [TS]
00:38:26 ◼ ► So what iphone did you get. I got the IP I cannot tell you how much I agonized over this. [TS]
00:38:33 ◼ ► Well I know because I was on the receiving end of a large number of text messages about this [TS]
00:38:37 ◼ ► when you were in the store. Yeah but I didn't know I didn't know what you ended up going with. [TS]
00:38:45 ◼ ► Can't decide whether I followed my heart or my head I don't know which I followed but I followed one [TS]
00:38:57 ◼ ► Yep and how do you feel about it after about a week or so now week or two of us I think I made a mistake. [TS]
00:39:06 ◼ ► Oh really how very interesting now. Yeah a mistake in which direction. Too big too small too big too big you know. [TS]
00:39:15 ◼ ► OK OK I listened it was funny because just in the buildup during the during the time [TS]
00:39:30 ◼ ► but they were talking about the i Phone six and they were both saying I am happy with my six [TS]
00:39:35 ◼ ► but part of me wishes I've got a five that smaller fine and that pretty much persuaded me I was lucky [TS]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and I am going to do I'm going to listen to the advice and you know take advantage of all this onslaught [TS]
00:39:45 ◼ ► and get the five and at the last minute I talked myself out of it and you know I was considering all three [TS]
00:39:54 ◼ ► and I was making the case for all three and I got the six and the various raise. Yes and it's too big. [TS]
00:40:06 ◼ ► I never thought I would do this but I'm using the reachability trick where you double click the button [TS]
00:40:11 ◼ ► and all the icons come down lower so you can reach them. I'm using that dozens of times per day. Oh God that's awful. [TS]
00:40:20 ◼ ► I thought when I heard that that was a feature I'm like well you know I think I'd rather she me the phone [TS]
00:40:24 ◼ ► or you know use two hands than do that but I have my way I like holding a phone and I don't want to change [TS]
00:40:30 ◼ ► and the reachability is something I'm using I'm I'm not pleased I'm not that pleased with it [TS]
00:40:37 ◼ ► but I just you know the thing is I bought two I bought one for my wife at the same time [TS]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and for the record let me say she's in love with the i Phone six she thinks it's the best thing ever [TS]
00:40:54 ◼ ► but I would guess just based on that that this is similarly with my wife that your wife probably keeps it one in a [TS]
00:41:02 ◼ ► and two uses it one handed much less that much I can only imagine that's the case because you got small hands the [TS]
00:41:13 ◼ ► and I say I think my problem is I couldn't bear the thought of her having a more powerful than I actually think that's [TS]
00:41:23 ◼ ► when I was simply not in a competitive jealous Conaway has no idea what I'm laughing because I could understand that [TS]
00:41:30 ◼ ► and I just I think if she had of knowing that she had a high spec phone the maid is what is so wrong somehow and [TS]
00:41:40 ◼ ► OK so I have one more question for you because we're doing something that I want to take them imagining there are it's [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► He's strong advice because I complained a lot about the six on one of our earlier shows [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► and it only makes a difference of a couple millimeters on either side and on the bottom [TS]
00:42:17 ◼ ► but I have one hundred percent found that this is the difference that makes a difference. [TS]
00:42:22 ◼ ► And it changed my phone from kind of infuriatingly just too large to barely within acceptable tolerances in terms of [TS]
00:42:33 ◼ ► size. I still think it's a little too big but I find it surprisingly more usable without a case. [TS]
00:42:42 ◼ ► and they're they're getting driven crazy by the one handedness I really recommend trying it without the case. [TS]
00:42:53 ◼ ► I should have a problem going caseless is that they have made this completely smooth slippery stone that that is like [TS]
00:43:02 ◼ ► trying to use it as a camera is much harder to hold it there is no place to kind of to grip it [TS]
00:43:10 ◼ ► and just using it around the house I find that if I if I'm not paying attention I do just drop it much more like I'm on [TS]
00:43:19 ◼ ► the couch so I'm not really concerned about dropping it because going to drop on the carpet or whatever [TS]
00:43:26 ◼ ► but I have made this tradeoff that I think without the case it is much more usable one handed. [TS]
00:43:32 ◼ ► But still it is only a few millimeters I swear if if Apple made a phone that was just like five millimeters shorter on [TS]
00:43:40 ◼ ► the diagonal I think I would be totally fine with it but it's just a tiny bit too big. [TS]
00:43:48 ◼ ► and if I don't have a case I just know I'm going to scratch it really badly at the moment I can put it in my pocket [TS]
00:43:54 ◼ ► and sort of have the glass always facing away from things that might scratch it like a wallet. [TS]
00:44:02 ◼ ► I know I don't want to I don't run a puppet regime I also think the fact that I need to take into account [TS]
00:44:06 ◼ ► but I just I just don't take care of stuff there are a lot of hilarious videos of people putting the i Phone six [TS]
00:44:13 ◼ ► through stress tests you have to realize that the surface of the phone is not glass is not as shareable as you think it [TS]
00:44:21 ◼ ► And so there are some quite amazing like drop test there's a video of some guy who says the phone on fire it is not [TS]
00:44:27 ◼ ► impervious but it is harder to damage than you think it is going to be if you drop it. [TS]
00:44:37 ◼ ► You know this is interesting because you know I'm very different this way I used to be like you. [TS]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Brady and I used to be very fussy about my devices and not having scratches on them [TS]
00:44:46 ◼ ► but you can decide not to be this person not to care if there are scratches I made this decision [TS]
00:44:52 ◼ ► and I'm telling you it's a much better life. That's one thing that I don't know the five S. [TS]
00:45:04 ◼ ► Oh yeah without a doubt that is one of the best features they've ever introduced in completely changes the way you use [TS]
00:45:13 ◼ ► but then makes the frustration not being able to reach the icons that much more frustrating because I think I can get [TS]
00:45:18 ◼ ► to that frustrating point so many of us are on the right I think we got away with keeping the i Phone six reasonably [TS]
00:45:24 ◼ ► short if this is a Christmas episode it probably is a good time to talk about the phone again so I don't know that one [TS]
00:45:30 ◼ ► last one last quick thing you know about the the back gesture on the phone. Probably not. [TS]
00:45:35 ◼ ► What's OK So we have an i thing about not having a case of before I forget is that if without the case the most [TS]
00:45:44 ◼ ► If there's any kind of back feature like on a podcast app you want to get from the pod cast back to the main list on [TS]
00:45:53 ◼ ► If you swipe with your thumb from off the screen on the left hand side kind of across the phone. [TS]
00:46:14 ◼ ► I would still say that the rounded edges are not worth it for the nice feel of that back gesture [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► but if you are frustrated with constantly reaching towards the top just be aware that the left to right. [TS]
00:46:24 ◼ ► Swipe across the phone is back gesture and almost every single application critiquing. [TS]
00:46:29 ◼ ► It's not Thankee he's pretty kinky is not that you see I think it just is how to use your phone. [TS]
00:46:52 ◼ ► So it's like you're not you're not on the specificity of a lot of these things I don't know what I'm talking about. [TS]
00:46:58 ◼ ► But yes we we have been honored and is being selected as one of the best new podcasts of twenty fourteen by Apple. [TS]
00:47:07 ◼ ► This means that at the top of the i Tunes store if you're in the podcast section there's a big banner for the best of [TS]
00:47:13 ◼ ► and we are listed on there with a bunch of other really great podcast so that is is quite an honor to be selected for [TS]
00:47:19 ◼ ► that. How did this happen is just some administrative mistake or I have no idea how it happened. [TS]
00:47:36 ◼ ► If we if we ever win any awards for hello internet if we win Pulitzer Prizes Nobel Peace Prizes [TS]
00:47:43 ◼ ► or any of these kinds of things if we win them you can keep them operating. That is my promise to you. [TS]
00:48:11 ◼ ► but I'm going I am sending it to the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in Berkeley California. [TS]
00:48:19 ◼ ► and they going to put it on the wall because more people say they are in a war it will bring more pleasure than in my [TS]
00:48:31 ◼ ► I don't even say it because it's not actually in my offices in sort of a secondary office of another office for all the [TS]
00:48:43 ◼ ► It's not and so it's not as if things have their own hold off for now you'd like oh no you wouldn't [TS]
00:48:52 ◼ ► but you would say you liked it. Like it you know you'd be polite about it. I might not be polite. [TS]
00:48:58 ◼ ► Now I think you know I think I think it's your kind of dream I've never shown you that a picture of you sooner [TS]
00:49:10 ◼ ► and they are very much have you know just like a huge rush of sort of people listening to the podcast as a result of [TS]
00:49:27 ◼ ► and how many listeners you have is much fuzzier than the You Tube world we are we are completely spoiled by You Tube [TS]
00:49:36 ◼ ► and I think you have also discovered that they now have a realtime feature which is incredibly addictive to be able to [TS]
00:49:43 ◼ ► see how videos are performing right now or if you link to things you can see if there's a spike in traffic. [TS]
00:49:48 ◼ ► You Tube spoils us with data and I find the Podcast world the data is just terrible and vague [TS]
00:50:03 ◼ ► I know it I know at the moment that we tend to get between fifty and sixty thousand listens per show [TS]
00:50:09 ◼ ► but I honestly I don't I don't check the numbers all the time because I just think I go I have no idea I mean no idea [TS]
00:50:18 ◼ ► but then people will listen on You Tube as well to the you know behind the other ones are they. [TS]
00:50:27 ◼ ► And also the way that our limited analytics work I know that almost certainly things are being undercounted because for [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► Depending on how they listen to the show it may or may not count as a listen so that's why I just it's very strange [TS]
00:50:40 ◼ ► and again we're just we're just spoiled from You Tube I love all of You Tube's data [TS]
00:50:46 ◼ ► and it could be a little bit too addicting. Yeah so with a podcast who knows you know he knows he's listening. [TS]
00:50:53 ◼ ► It could just be a couple people who are pretending to be lots of people on the right it is the way it could be. [TS]
00:51:02 ◼ ► Well let me talk about something that's been in the news because you put a little tweet up before we came on air. [TS]
00:51:07 ◼ ► If I can say why are you asking if there was anything people wanted to talk about. [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► and you said something to me that I refused to believe. OK You did not know what it is or what that means to back up. [TS]
00:51:27 ◼ ► I do often tweet out that we're recording the show and to see what people want to talk about. [TS]
00:51:33 ◼ ► Almost every time I do this I regret it because I have the same experience which is whatever has kind of happened like [TS]
00:51:47 ◼ ► and so almost always it is a list of things that I just I have no idea what any of this stuff is going for two weeks [TS]
00:51:53 ◼ ► this isn't something that happened in the last twenty minutes this is like this is Bain one of the biggest news stories [TS]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Next I would say well the problem is I have also been kind of isolation mode trying to get a video out you know even [TS]
00:52:07 ◼ ► even my my normal my normal connection to the outside world for the past two weeks has been really clamped down because [TS]
00:52:15 ◼ ► I was I was rushing to hit the headlines so the reason I'm surprised like I think it's great that you do that [TS]
00:52:23 ◼ ► but the reason I'm surprised in this particular case is this is a story that just takes every gray box of something you [TS]
00:52:33 ◼ ► I feel a bit silly telling you about it because it's a bit like it's a bit like it's such a big thing it's like I feel [TS]
00:52:44 ◼ ► Everyone's listening and like it's like a mix it's like explaining to someone you know. [TS]
00:52:51 ◼ ► What nine eleven was or something it's like when you know it's just so famous that that's a big but maybe in two [TS]
00:53:01 ◼ ► Before we take any steps further presumably is not actually a nine eleven style event because I would have heard about [TS]
00:53:12 ◼ ► but I would say just in general I had this conversation people all the time that people forget how many quote important [TS]
00:53:24 ◼ ► That's true there's always something that's supposed to happen and it always gets forgotten. A couple weeks later. [TS]
00:53:31 ◼ ► There's never any point in the year where you don't go oh what's this or what's that [TS]
00:53:34 ◼ ► and I have had conversations with people sometimes so I can't believe that you're not following the news about whatever. [TS]
00:53:48 ◼ ► It's three months max and that is almost always the case so there's always something going on. [TS]
00:53:54 ◼ ► So I may be sounding incredibly callous Now depending on whatever the Sony has because I don't I don't. [TS]
00:54:00 ◼ ► but it's I guess I want to just hammer home this point because as soon as you tune into this fact you can kind of see [TS]
00:54:13 ◼ ► and try to think about how many stories have have passed through your mind in the past year which all of which were [TS]
00:54:31 ◼ ► I mean probably it was probably also a poor choice for me to say to compare it to nine eleven in that way that I was [TS]
00:54:37 ◼ ► making the comparison more in the context of I feel silly explaining something that feels famous at the moment [TS]
00:54:45 ◼ ► but I'm presuming that the others you meant it in terms of like the amount of coverage that it had Yeah yeah let me [TS]
00:54:53 ◼ ► and I find it hard to believe that after a couple of sentences you're not going to say oh yes I know about Oka anyway. [TS]
00:55:00 ◼ ► Well let's lay it on me let's find out. OK Here we go again. One's going to get nervous too I really hate surprises. [TS]
00:55:05 ◼ ► Well I also feel I feel more nervous because I'm explaining something so that so famous at the moment that people are [TS]
00:55:10 ◼ ► going to jump on me and say I've done it wrong. OK Because I know you do your best. [TS]
00:55:15 ◼ ► Signy pictures have been making a film that's about to be released. Coding interview. [TS]
00:55:21 ◼ ► OK it's a comedy film and the premise is I think two guys are given the opportunity to interview Kim Jong un [TS]
00:55:29 ◼ ► or the current leader of North Korea comes on like they given that they're given access to him. [TS]
00:55:37 ◼ ► So the CIA approach these these guys who get the impression a kind of dopey guys and that you know switched on [TS]
00:55:45 ◼ ► and see this is an opportunity to assassinate him and then these guys go to North Korea and something in his shoes [TS]
00:55:52 ◼ ► and maybe some assassination attempt takes place at Real Madrid so that was his film and it seems that the film. [TS]
00:56:00 ◼ ► It was quite the imminent film was going to upset North Korea and then Sony Pictures [TS]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and Sony itself was the victim of this incredible computer security breach. They got hacked. [TS]
00:56:16 ◼ ► It's unbelievably Farrelly everything got released all the executive the miles that I've been sending to each other [TS]
00:56:28 ◼ ► and all that all that stuff got accessed all financial details about how much actors on different films got paid [TS]
00:56:38 ◼ ► Apparently a draft of the script of the next James Bond movie everything they wouldn't want to come out you can think [TS]
00:56:50 ◼ ► and has gone everywhere like wildfire and the hackers have made it clear it's because of this. [TS]
00:56:57 ◼ ► This film though all the speculation was that North Korea was behind it because they have a history of hacking this [TS]
00:57:03 ◼ ► kind of hacking terrorism and so a lot of talk today do or did they get someone to do it for them and in the last day [TS]
00:57:10 ◼ ► or two now the Americans the CIA are saying we're pretty sure it was North Korea that coming out [TS]
00:57:15 ◼ ► and saying it was it was it was them on top of that. North Korea have praised the hack but have said it wasn't them. [TS]
00:57:37 ◼ ► when it comes out in the end they even made allusions to nine eleven like they made threats. [TS]
00:57:44 ◼ ► and started saying well we're not going to show this film because we can't guarantee security and that sort of thing [TS]
00:57:51 ◼ ► and said OK we're not going to we're not going to release the film which a lot of people have really condemned as kind [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► For free speech and and that's that's launched a whole bunch of stories in itself. [TS]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and stuff this isn't kind of a little fringe story this is been like one of the big stories in the world in the last [TS]
00:58:22 ◼ ► couple of weeks and it because it is on so many things you find interesting. I thought you'd be all over it. [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► I am familiar with the phrase the interview and pulled yet so I have I have seen headlines possibly on Reddit. [TS]
00:58:50 ◼ ► but that is that before you before you started telling me about stuff that was the full extent of my knowledge I couldn't [TS]
00:58:56 ◼ ► have told you anything about what the movie was or any any of these other details. [TS]
00:59:00 ◼ ► Yeah and this is often what I mean by even if you try not to follow the news stuff still makes it through. [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► and as you refer to it as my bubble this time out of the interview that that does sound familiar and it being pulled [TS]
00:59:19 ◼ ► and so that does sound like quite a big story just going off on the details that you have told me it's. [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► It's like a terrible decision on Sony's part. Yeah pull it if I feel like if I was the C.E.O. [TS]
00:59:30 ◼ ► Of Sony I would release the movie for free on the internet with a lot of things I would suggest that I think I think [TS]
00:59:42 ◼ ► but the irony that seems to be I think even I think maybe the president said I can understand concerns for movie [TS]
00:59:48 ◼ ► theaters not wanting to show it if there's been threats I think that's a more difficult conversation to have. [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► Yeah but you don't you don't give in to terrorists. Do you know what that you know that was my that was my reaction. [TS]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Two as well and that remains that remains my instinctive reaction to my I feel like the only response is screw you. [TS]
01:00:08 ◼ ► Otherwise what North Korea gets to dictate all movie plot lines from now on with Sony that Sony has to run everything [TS]
01:00:17 ◼ ► by North Korea and that is the ONLY THAT is the only conclusion to this kind of kind of action [TS]
01:00:23 ◼ ► and so you have to say all right you released a whole bunch of embarrassing stuff about us. [TS]
01:00:27 ◼ ► That's terrible we wished it hadn't happened but you are not going to dictate our actions. [TS]
01:00:33 ◼ ► That's kind of like all the you know you don't negotiate with terrorists philosophy is is exactly what you have a [TS]
01:00:40 ◼ ► You're going to let somebody control your actions or you're not and the only sane thing to do is go with the [TS]
01:00:47 ◼ ► or not even if that means that there are there are costs you don't let other people dictate your actions so I do. [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► I have read a couple of interesting responses taking a slightly different perspective that pointing out all the ways in [TS]
01:01:10 ◼ ► and anyone who's ever been to an airport before the two thousands would notice a slight difference. [TS]
01:01:17 ◼ ► I think it is comparable it's all like we we won't we won't live in fear we were in that you affect our lifestyle. [TS]
01:01:23 ◼ ► Oh my goodness how much how much has the fear of terrorism affected lifestyle in the last fifteen years. [TS]
01:01:30 ◼ ► Unbelievably people happily was due goes to jump through all these ridiculous hoops at airports [TS]
01:01:36 ◼ ► and all these other things that have happened since since you know nine eleven and things like that [TS]
01:01:42 ◼ ► and people say nothing about all these laws that have passed and all these actions that have happened [TS]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and things that have happened and it's like you know people are just swallow the pill and you pull a movie [TS]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and suddenly it's like we must not give an inch to these people like. There is a slight contradiction. [TS]
01:02:03 ◼ ► I do see what you're saying I don't think that the airport comparison is an apt one mainly because to me that that that [TS]
01:02:10 ◼ ► seems like a like a different a different kind of reaction because the terrorists did not say a pilot is like a merry [TS]
01:02:19 ◼ ► Christmas episode everybody's talking about terrorism the terrorist did not say we want you to install the security [TS]
01:02:26 ◼ ► features like this is this is the kind of action you take in reaction to how the world is it is not the same thing as a [TS]
01:02:36 ◼ ► kind of direct command from somebody who's threatening you saying we want you to perform action X. [TS]
01:02:46 ◼ ► That's the kind of statement that I mean you just you can't you can't go along with that. [TS]
01:02:58 ◼ ► and I think actually that the triviality of the movie is kind of what makes it a much easier decision is to say you [TS]
01:03:05 ◼ ► should just release this movie anyway. This is not a big. A big discussion about state secrets. I don't know. [TS]
01:03:13 ◼ ► They're bad people and I feel and a lot of people are not massively sympathetic to Sony [TS]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and sort of say well you know they've got a track record for getting hacked with their Playstation problems [TS]
01:03:23 ◼ ► and they lack some big corporate people need to learn to take these things seriously and maybe that's true [TS]
01:03:29 ◼ ► but I I don't think and there's also been this how you do have a great story full of nuanced arguments. [TS]
01:03:35 ◼ ► There's this other massive argument about whether or not the media is being too complicit in this and [TS]
01:03:40 ◼ ► when all these like gossipy emails about from Sony executives about Hollywood stars like should the media just not [TS]
01:03:47 ◼ ► and give the oxygen to the to the what the terrorists want because this stuff getting hacked doesn't matter so much if [TS]
01:03:55 ◼ ► the media don't then say what disturbs the public to mine. Let's tell these gossipy story. [TS]
01:04:00 ◼ ► Or ease and compare salaries and have all these bitchy comments between people and what's that. [TS]
01:04:10 ◼ ► but they're also saying we're now this does public you know afraid to report. We're obliged to report it. [TS]
01:04:15 ◼ ► I say yeah yeah yeah. Well hey I feel like self respecting places would not do that. [TS]
01:04:23 ◼ ► But obviously most of the news is as we discussed many times is not self respecting [TS]
01:04:31 ◼ ► and this is just the easiest most of you grab this kind of thing to do and that is the nature of the beast [TS]
01:04:43 ◼ ► and say oh isn't this terrible that's terrible hacking stay tuned to us about the latest details about all the [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► and oh by the way let's also talk about the salaries of all of these people isn't it great that we have access to all [TS]
01:04:58 ◼ ► Not surprising at all to me that you would get both sides of this from an organization that is structured the way most [TS]
01:05:07 ◼ ► Sure and I will cut this if it turns out I'm completely wrong because I could be completely wrong [TS]
01:05:17 ◼ ► and this it contains a spoiler for the film that won't be released so I don't know whether you're allowed to spoil [TS]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and elsewhere which purports to be a scene from the film the film which shows the sort of assassination death of the [TS]
01:05:53 ◼ ► and that is a really graphic death like it's really in your face you see him being blown up [TS]
01:06:01 ◼ ► And it's when the film was released in another country that showed that simulated death of Barack Obama [TS]
01:06:08 ◼ ► or something like that. I imagine a lot of people would be upset and that is is it does it is interesting. [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► I do wonder what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot and I'm not saying the U.S. [TS]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Called the assassination of George Bush and this is not unprecedented but it is an interesting thing [TS]
01:06:40 ◼ ► when you're starting to make films about the assassinations of currently living people and I'm all for free speech [TS]
01:06:46 ◼ ► and I want to see the film I really want to see the film now because of all this hype [TS]
01:06:59 ◼ ► or if you're from a really sort of conservative country that respects your late is a bit more than some of the some [TS]
01:07:08 ◼ ► Well I think that's quite a thing so you know I maybe should have a look to me what you think sometime. [TS]
01:07:23 ◼ ► and you know I think with the frequency with which I do Brady's Papercuts reflects maybe my mood has not been quite [TS]
01:07:32 ◼ ► This wake up in coming up with loads if you grumpy with the holidays I think of a grumpiness maybe maybe because my [TS]
01:07:40 ◼ ► sister and family have been in town and they and they had my lovely little nephew with them [TS]
01:07:44 ◼ ► and I'm not used to having little little boys around an effect on the bright side I think it was him that I have come [TS]
01:07:54 ◼ ► and save the other ones up if you would give me your best one I'm going to give you the most topical one the best one [TS]
01:08:01 ◼ ► You won't know about this if you don't know about the signing Heck there's no chance you're going to know about the [TS]
01:08:05 ◼ ► story. OK but you might not even know of this thing that exists but it it baffles me. OK It is called the B.B.C. [TS]
01:08:12 ◼ ► Sports Personality of the year. Nor Greeley nor have you ever heard of this thing I have never heard of this thing. [TS]
01:08:25 ◼ ► Not so bored already we haven't even started talking about it this is this is a contest that grips this this is a night [TS]
01:08:33 ◼ ► of the year that grips the nation like everyone is so into this and it's treated like such an important thing. [TS]
01:08:45 ◼ ► Show award ceremony like the Oscars where they crown the Sports Personality of the year from Britain. [TS]
01:08:55 ◼ ► and they choose a short list of like ten people from all different sports so they'll be footballers [TS]
01:09:04 ◼ ► and you know whoever has excelled that year are usually on the international stage. [TS]
01:09:11 ◼ ► The public vote on their favorite based on a criteria that is discernable to me it's called Sports Personality of the [TS]
01:09:20 ◼ ► year. There's no weighting attributed to what you've accomplished compared to what someone else accomplished. [TS]
01:09:27 ◼ ► There's a public vote and then at the end of the night they announce the winner and they give them this trophy [TS]
01:09:35 ◼ ► and like and really important sports people win because Britain's Got some good sports people [TS]
01:09:45 ◼ ► and they talk about it like it's one of the greatest accomplishments of their life like it's it's treated like a really [TS]
01:09:53 ◼ ► Even by the people winning it like so this year was won by Lewis Hamilton who's a Formula One world champion which is [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► Big sweep of thing and then he wins this meaningless British popularity contest decided by a phone poll [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► and I swear that gets more coverage than when he actually won the Formula One title. [TS]
01:10:13 ◼ ► It's a huge thing everyone cares about it. It dates back to the sixty's or seventy's when the B.B.C. [TS]
01:10:21 ◼ ► Was far more relevant and I guess it was the only thing it was the only T.V. Thing you could watch on T.V. [TS]
01:10:31 ◼ ► Event and for some reason this is old fashioned ridiculous contest just persists year after year [TS]
01:10:39 ◼ ► and it just the whole country stops for not to see who wins this meaningless personality contest. [TS]
01:10:47 ◼ ► Even the name Sports Personality of the year. What does that even mean. It annoys me. I can I can see that it does. [TS]
01:10:57 ◼ ► Apples to oranges competition I'm not I just like some good size of the Formula One driver comes first [TS]
01:11:05 ◼ ► and second place is a golf and third place is a woman runner I think it was it's like it's like. [TS]
01:11:15 ◼ ► And I don't know if it is treated so importantly even by the people living it like they seem sincere [TS]
01:11:23 ◼ ► when they say this means a lot to me like this is a really big deal thank you Can I ask you something pretty. [TS]
01:11:28 ◼ ► Yeah I don't understand why this bothers you because other people don't get it because other people think it's [TS]
01:11:34 ◼ ► important because other people think it has meaning and I want to I want to just sit them down [TS]
01:11:44 ◼ ► It's like it's like if it's like it's once a year the gray family got together in wherever they live North Carolina [TS]
01:11:53 ◼ ► whatever and they your sat in a room and they all voted OK who's our favorite Pod caster of the year who was a member. [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► Our family and then you want to act and then you made some speech like it meant something to you. [TS]
01:12:08 ◼ ► It's like it's OK it's parochial and you're allowed to have parochial things and have pretty shiny things [TS]
01:12:14 ◼ ► but then you can then he has to be some like if I can feel that this really bothers you. [TS]
01:12:22 ◼ ► But this to me is also the perfect kind of thing that I just I cannot engage with this on any level. [TS]
01:12:27 ◼ ► Nothing annoys me more than competitions and have nebulous judging criteria. Like if I'm watching a T.V. [TS]
01:12:39 ◼ ► and they can explain to me why that person the other person when you say this is this is a popularity contest. [TS]
01:12:52 ◼ ► and actually said it sounds like if it's Sports Personality of the year it's basically Who do you like best. [TS]
01:12:57 ◼ ► That's what this sounds like the place. But yeah but a lot based on what my how much people like them. [TS]
01:13:06 ◼ ► That's why the people who win are really happy about it because it has been demonstrated to them that lots of people [TS]
01:13:12 ◼ ► not only appreciate their accomplishment in sport but also like them as a person. Well that that makes me even madder. [TS]
01:13:27 ◼ ► I can I can offer no help here except to explain to you that you don't have to follow this this you don't have to [TS]
01:13:35 ◼ ► participate or be aware of this popularity contest. Yeah now you just kind of kind of a kind of void. [TS]
01:13:43 ◼ ► I just I never even knew this thing existed until ten minutes ago you also didn't know the Sony hack existed. [TS]
01:13:52 ◼ ► but I am showing you Brady is what is possible in life. I don't want to go as far as I can just imagine some. [TS]
01:14:00 ◼ ► Huge terrorist attack happening in London and half the population being wiped you not knowing it happened [TS]
01:14:12 ◼ ► but it just it just strikes me as as one of those things that is interesting to the people who participate in it [TS]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and you cannot explain human interest such love sport so much I'm worried that people who are following this [TS]
01:14:25 ◼ ► and look at the results are going to think that this means something and they can like they can all right. [TS]
01:14:37 ◼ ► Family and the next thing we're going to do in the home is equally completely arbitrary. [TS]
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01:15:49 ◼ ► or two ago I was the one hundred fiftieth anniversary of a famous bridge in England that is very close to where I live. [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Suspension Bridge and I think he said something online about how much I love bridges and I really love bridges [TS]
01:16:06 ◼ ► and someone made some comments on Twitter and said you should talk about bridges on the podcast [TS]
01:16:13 ◼ ► And after all your talk about flags I thought maybe I should be about to talk about bridges. [TS]
01:16:22 ◼ ► Well that's going to be a problem if you talk of I had plenty of things to say about flags. [TS]
01:16:29 ◼ ► but I haven't really got any sort of structured reason other than this anniversary of the Clifton Suspension Bridge [TS]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and also I could see in the news that they're building a new bridge over the Thames in London which I thought would [TS]
01:16:39 ◼ ► interest you. Oh I haven't heard about the new pedestrian bridge near Waterloo which is going to cost. [TS]
01:16:47 ◼ ► I've read that it's going to cost like one hundred seventy five million pounds. This is because they're expensive. [TS]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Well you want to make sure they don't fall down yeah I know that if it cost a lot to make sure it doesn't fall down [TS]
01:17:04 ◼ ► but anyway I'm not you know the cheapness is not my primary concern in the construction of bridges. [TS]
01:17:10 ◼ ► Yes You know you're not paying for any of it. Presumably I'm paying for it with taxes fine. [TS]
01:17:16 ◼ ► You know why do we have to spend twice as much to make it ten percent safer that's fine that's fine. [TS]
01:17:31 ◼ ► and I each come up with our five favorite bridges which sounds a bit like a personality context [TS]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and it's a completely manufactured excuse for us to talk about bridges you have to say this was not made clear to me [TS]
01:17:50 ◼ ► before he just you told me I need to come up with with five bridges and you did not specify why [TS]
01:18:01 ◼ ► and you had one thing on them you have to have used the bridge I had a very difficult time with this homework I have to [TS]
01:18:07 ◼ ► admit my brain just I had a difficult time trying to latch on to this of thinking five bridges five bridges that I've [TS]
01:18:14 ◼ ► been on I don't know I did come up with a list but it took way longer than something should have [TS]
01:18:21 ◼ ► and I have a few items on this list that I'm not even sure you're going to count so that we can we can begin our [TS]
01:18:27 ◼ ► conversation about bridges if I've been to a lot of bridges of interest from each of us that we've been on. [TS]
01:18:34 ◼ ► OK how do you want to know first how we're going to YOU ARE THE ONE WHO YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS time with his homework [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► He's just there to talk about what you were not in before I know tell me your number five Bring I didn't I didn't [TS]
01:18:48 ◼ ► arrange them in order I didn't know they had to be in preference I just have a list of five. Tell me one patrol event. [TS]
01:18:57 ◼ ► Well OK OK if I have to the one arbitrarily I'm going to pick is the I don't know the name off the top of my head [TS]
01:19:07 ◼ ► I quite like that bridge and it has a nice little feature that people couples write their names on blocks [TS]
01:19:13 ◼ ► and then there is this like a mesh in the bridge that people connect those little locks to apparently is the thing that [TS]
01:19:26 ◼ ► when I went to Cologne I had literally never heard of this before so this is the first place that I ever came across [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► this and the cologne bridge is a satisfactorily industrial looking I quite like that [TS]
01:19:35 ◼ ► and then plus the locks I like that feature as well. Nonis is that what you want to talk about. [TS]
01:19:45 ◼ ► SCOTT OK story you talked a bit about the bridges kind of industrial looking Yeah yeah a little industrial not OK Brady. [TS]
01:20:01 ◼ ► OK I want to have one from Venice because Venice is got brilliant bridges the reality show probably being the most [TS]
01:20:09 ◼ ► but probably the second most famous in the one I'm choosing especially if it is the Bridge of Sighs of the Bridge of [TS]
01:20:23 ◼ ► I assumed when you set it for me that that's what you mean it's the Bridge of Sighs. [TS]
01:20:26 ◼ ► Do you know this great have you been have you been to Venice. I haven't it is a long time ago. [TS]
01:20:31 ◼ ► This is a little bridge that just connects to buildings that goes over a little canal I think it connects the palace [TS]
01:20:39 ◼ ► and Legend has it might not be entirely true that after you'd been tried in the palace you obviously were led over this [TS]
01:20:52 ◼ ► and you had one last look at the window of the bridge where you could see sort of the canal and the beauty of Venice [TS]
01:20:59 ◼ ► Then taken away to their doom was one final look at the beauty that I was leaving behind. [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► Yeah this this this looks familiar and that sounds like a story I might have heard when I was in Venice. [TS]
01:21:07 ◼ ► Yeah Addison often keep bridge it is a cute little bridge go on to give us another one. Number four for you. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Oh the sounds of the church I look it up on the I don't have a number for these are just all I don't know what all [TS]
01:21:19 ◼ ► right well I'm just used to portioning members to them for the sake of mine are in reverse order. [TS]
01:21:24 ◼ ► All right now I have some questions a technicality here. Like you said we have to be on a bridge. [TS]
01:21:29 ◼ ► Does it count if I've been under the bridge I think undercount Yes that yes that counts. OK Thank you. [TS]
01:21:36 ◼ ► Because then I was going to come up short if under to what you've already been on four bridges in your life I know I [TS]
01:21:42 ◼ ► was trying to come up with a list of five bridges that I could remember that were interesting in some way. [TS]
01:21:53 ◼ ► I don't know if you if you know the great belt bridge to sound familiar. It's I don't know I've been to Denmark and St. [TS]
01:22:00 ◼ ► Some pretty impressive bridges but that one that name doesn't ring a bell. What's going on there. [TS]
01:22:04 ◼ ► The great I'll have to put up a picture and I guess all of these are going to have pictures in [TS]
01:22:11 ◼ ► and out a lot of thing you know this is the this is the breaches in the bridge bridges [TS]
01:22:21 ◼ ► and it is the According to Wikipedia is the third longest that it connects these different Danish islands [TS]
01:22:29 ◼ ► I never knew that his bridge existed until I happened to be on a ship that was going through one of theirs to sort of [TS]
01:22:37 ◼ ► I didn't know that it was coming and then you can just I just saw it on the horizon it's like this thing is enormous [TS]
01:22:42 ◼ ► and going under the bridge made it feel like it was a thousand times bigger than it actually is. [TS]
01:22:51 ◼ ► and interesting is that a different bridge now is not always on that bridge just recently when I went [TS]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Show the bridge but we do which is Danish T.V. But this I went over this bridge to go and get my model of Pi printed. [TS]
01:23:07 ◼ ► Oh did you. When I went from Copenhagen to the factory where we did the printing when trying to there we go. [TS]
01:23:18 ◼ ► Yeah I think you're just so excited to talk about bridges that you're happy to get whatever you can get. [TS]
01:23:23 ◼ ► Do you know exhausted by bridges are they not just great things just great accomplishments [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and interesting in so many ways do you not think that I like all markers of human domination over nature which would [TS]
01:23:37 ◼ ► but I feel like you are definitely way more excited about this than I am so I would like to hear an expert. [TS]
01:23:41 ◼ ► Number four I'm going to do the one that just had its birthday the Clifton Suspension Bridge. [TS]
01:23:53 ◼ ► Except you know a bit smaller than what most of them are these days but this was like a trailblazer. [TS]
01:24:01 ◼ ► He's like the famous engineer of England and did amazing things across the country [TS]
01:24:05 ◼ ► and this is considered like his crowning achievement although it was not finished until after he died [TS]
01:24:11 ◼ ► and it's a beautiful it's beautiful looking it's just it's just a classic classic looking bridge [TS]
01:24:20 ◼ ► and that makes me happy so it's a bit of a hometown hero for me so I'm going to Clifton Suspension Bridge [TS]
01:24:27 ◼ ► and I want to talk anymore about it because I want to hear another one from you because yours are more exciting because [TS]
01:24:35 ◼ ► The next one I don't know if it'll count as well because the interesting thing is not the bridge itself [TS]
01:24:41 ◼ ► but many years ago I went to Hong Kong and then I went to China and when I was leaving Hong Kong [TS]
01:25:00 ◼ ► and very weird experience because it was so obviously a bridge that had been enclosed so it was a long long passageway [TS]
01:25:09 ◼ ► and it was also just kind of a boring like airport interior on the inside but also with many passport checks. [TS]
01:25:17 ◼ ► I don't remember what the heck it was but they were just like a lot of desks that you had to go to [TS]
01:25:22 ◼ ► and people look at your passports and there were you know military looking guys with the dogs walking around [TS]
01:25:28 ◼ ► and it was it was a strange strange bridge because it really did feel like an airport interior that extended from one [TS]
01:25:35 ◼ ► sort of kind of a country into another part of that country. So it was it was a strange experience. [TS]
01:25:41 ◼ ► But the bridge itself is not notable it is the things that the humans have done inside the bridge which is notable [TS]
01:25:46 ◼ ► but look at this is an engineered bridge. Passports of border politics it sounds like a great fantasy this place. [TS]
01:25:56 ◼ ► This is also a long time ago where I was not quite the same person that I am today but. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► It was my experience on the bridge that always may be aware of how Hong Kong is a bit of a strange place which did [TS]
01:26:13 ◼ ► when you go to Mount Everest on the Nepal side as you go to Mount Everest you have to crisscross like ravines [TS]
01:26:20 ◼ ► and Gorges all the time and you're always going over these suspension bridges that look a bit perilous [TS]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and it's you know you feel are you taking your life into your own hands that look terrified. [TS]
01:26:34 ◼ ► Yeah because the most or you got a picture of it up that I would not cross that bridge. [TS]
01:26:43 ◼ ► That's one of the better looking ones but it is very it is kind of the most famous and picturesque [TS]
01:26:55 ◼ ► and that takes most of the day to get up to a place called neck cheapest So that kind of even though it's the second [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► day of the trek that that bridge from a really marks the start of your climb up to Everest base camp [TS]
01:27:10 ◼ ► and it is very interesting looking at all the handrails the hand cables have got prayer flags and ribbons [TS]
01:27:18 ◼ ► and scarves erect around them and they blow in the wind and it looks very spectacular [TS]
01:27:27 ◼ ► True bridge that is made of wooden planks in which one wooden plank in the movie always breaks as the characters try to [TS]
01:27:33 ◼ ► walk across and that is this bridge is better than that in construction but just barely. [TS]
01:27:41 ◼ ► when you do that trek to Everest I'm just looking the first You Tube video that comes up of the Hillary suspension [TS]
01:27:47 ◼ ► bridge I'm hoping it might actually be mine is mine. I made it I was made a little short video showing it. [TS]
01:27:55 ◼ ► It's interesting when you do this tricky You see you go over you know it seems like a hundred. [TS]
01:28:10 ◼ ► or six meters below sometimes collapsed sometimes still intact is that cliched wooden broken bridge that you said to me [TS]
01:28:18 ◼ ► in the US and you look down and you think oh my goodness people used to actually go over there [TS]
01:28:22 ◼ ► and it's usually rotting away and looks terrible when you're going over the more sturdy one above [TS]
01:28:30 ◼ ► Hilary suspension bridge you look to the other side first to make sure there's no cows or or donkeys [TS]
01:28:37 ◼ ► or anything coming because you don't want to be on the bridge at the same time as those gusts they get right of way. [TS]
01:28:45 ◼ ► and I don't I don't want to ever be at a bridge I have to worry about livestock coming the other way I would love you [TS]
01:28:50 ◼ ► would love it afterwards you would be so pleased to do that if I hadn't died yes I would love it afterwards that is [TS]
01:28:56 ◼ ► But somebody is going to be the first person that the bridge breaks on you know nobody's going to be that guy ninety. [TS]
01:29:03 ◼ ► What if you've got a lottery ticket every time you cross. Give us your number to bridge. [TS]
01:29:08 ◼ ► OK so here's another one that I don't know if you can count it as a bridge if you go any that counted. No more bridges. [TS]
01:29:16 ◼ ► and most of the one of them saving it for the end which I would say is my favorite bridge is a real bridge. [TS]
01:29:26 ◼ ► and I would say that it is the Hoover Dam counts as a Brit now have you ever been to the Hoover Dam never have because [TS]
01:29:40 ◼ ► and I was on a bus this is going to be a bit confusing for some people because at Hoover Dam they have now finally [TS]
01:29:47 ◼ ► built an actual bridge that goes over Hoover dam so that the geography of this is a bit confusing but [TS]
01:29:53 ◼ ► when people think of Hoover Dam They tend to think of something that's kind of level with the surrounding area [TS]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Really the case that Hoover Dam is already a fair bit down inside the gorge through which the river passes. [TS]
01:30:09 ◼ ► and probably since the creation of Hoover Dam they have desperately needed a through road for all the people who are [TS]
01:30:18 ◼ ► but don't want to visit Hoover Dam like the thousands of tourists who are clogging up the actual road that goes across [TS]
01:30:30 ◼ ► or so they have finished the construction of an actual bridge that does go over Hoover Dam So that is not the bridges I [TS]
01:30:37 ◼ ► am talking about because the first time I went to Hoover Dam That bridge was not there [TS]
01:30:40 ◼ ► and the second time I went to Hoover Dam That bridge was under construction I can see pictures of it now it's like away [TS]
01:30:49 ◼ ► It's actually much more impressive than it looks in pictures of these what I saw under construction I thought oh this [TS]
01:30:55 ◼ ► but more importantly it is desperately necessary because both times I have been to Hoover Dam is just a traffic [TS]
01:31:01 ◼ ► nightmare. I cannot imagine anybody who has to drive across that for non tourist reasons. They must lose their minds. [TS]
01:31:07 ◼ ► I think it counts as a bridge would you give me that as a Brit I don't think I have a choice. [TS]
01:31:15 ◼ ► and of anybody if you visit the Hoover Dam You know you can go deep down into the bowels of the Hoover Dam is there is [TS]
01:31:21 ◼ ► a very interesting place and it has a kind of this architecture that I just love which is the Art Deco. [TS]
01:31:28 ◼ ► We are humans building amazing things kind of architecture they have these very stylized I think what they call the [TS]
01:31:35 ◼ ► Hoover Dam angels I'll put a picture of them in the show notes but it is it is just art deco look that I love [TS]
01:31:47 ◼ ► but I'm going to give it to take out of the bridge because I've got nothing else for you [TS]
01:31:50 ◼ ► and I for my number to you I'm getting into cliche territory here but that's just the way it is. [TS]
01:32:05 ◼ ► You look at her and it's like a celebrity walked in the room because it is a celebrity bridge [TS]
01:32:14 ◼ ► and you say it for the first time against the water you that color of a certain And you know you walk across. [TS]
01:32:23 ◼ ► and because San Francisco has become a bit of a second home at the moment with a number of our stuff you know it's also [TS]
01:32:39 ◼ ► but I'm dredging up from my memory somewhere that the color of the Golden Gate Bridge is not the color it was intended [TS]
01:32:46 ◼ ► What if I think the name is an international orange or something or international red [TS]
01:32:50 ◼ ► or somewhat well that's the name I think it's like it's like a warning color paint that it's some kind of standard [TS]
01:32:57 ◼ ► but my understanding is like this was supposed to just be during the construction phase [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► but this was not intended to be the the permanent color of the bridge that may be entirely wrong [TS]
01:33:05 ◼ ► and maybe I'll cut it later if it is or maybe I just won't if I'm feeling lazy so I will leave it on the middle [TS]
01:33:10 ◼ ► and I love stories of hope a stray you can offend me and I will Kapadia rabbit hole now where you there [TS]
01:33:22 ◼ ► but I'm not sure if you were talking about this particular is the last you can forget I don't know [TS]
01:33:29 ◼ ► and I just love walking across the Golden Gate Bridge so I was like this will go across the Golden Gate Bridge so we'll [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► drive out there and it was they must have been there and you know via destine and grain [TS]
01:33:41 ◼ ► and I was there for that I didn't realize that the reason we were walking across the bridge was because of you. [TS]
01:33:46 ◼ ► Because after about halfway across I kind of been so the pressure because you know that wasn't great weather that day [TS]
01:34:00 ◼ ► So I was like oh we can turn back if you want to another people out we're not turning back [TS]
01:34:03 ◼ ► and you're the one that said we should do it. So they became a bit of a why do we walk all the way across on up. [TS]
01:34:08 ◼ ► when we were there on that day I think I have a couple of pictures I really like of everybody who was at the new conference [TS]
01:34:16 ◼ ► and I was fond memories of San Francisco I would suggest one more thing because it's Christmas Day like Don't don't [TS]
01:34:24 ◼ ► don't actually do it now that is a really good documentary called The Bridge which is very very sad. [TS]
01:34:32 ◼ ► Completely fascinating and it's one of my favorite documentaries. It's all about the Golden Gate Bridge and suicide. [TS]
01:34:41 ◼ ► But but seriously like it is a it is a really really really significant and if you like filmmaking and documentaries [TS]
01:34:51 ◼ ► Yeah I guess if you found our conversation about terrorism too uplifting for your Christmas afternoon go ahead [TS]
01:34:57 ◼ ► and watch that documents it is very good have you have seen it I have not ever. You should watch it. [TS]
01:35:06 ◼ ► I say I will I will I think you will I think you will I'm not saying you like it I think you take something from I will [TS]
01:35:14 ◼ ► OK Is it my turn is it your turn it's your it's your number one although I know they're not in order. [TS]
01:35:18 ◼ ► My personal favorite bridge is the golden jubilee bridges which are here in London. [TS]
01:35:26 ◼ ► The Naming is always slightly confusing because there are two bridges that are kind of on top of each other. [TS]
01:35:32 ◼ ► One is called the Hungerford Bridge which is a bridge that is just for trains that crosses the Thames at embankment [TS]
01:35:47 ◼ ► and those are called the Golden Jubilee bridges built for the queen's golden jubilee. [TS]
01:35:51 ◼ ► And I absolutely adore these bridges for various reasons I happened to be in that area a lot and every time. [TS]
01:36:03 ◼ ► It's in a beautiful spot in the city and good views there yeah you have tremendous views of everything [TS]
01:36:09 ◼ ► and that skyline in particular I feel like I have walked across that bridge so many times I have taken so many pictures [TS]
01:36:14 ◼ ► from that bridge. I have more often than I really should just tweeted pictures from that bridge. [TS]
01:36:23 ◼ ► and I have seen that skyline now change over I guess the ten eleven twelve eleven I have no idea the more than a decade [TS]
01:36:36 ◼ ► and so for me just just personally that is my favorite bridge in the world at this moment [TS]
01:36:44 ◼ ► and visit me I often start if we're going to go for a walk you're like OK let's started embankment [TS]
01:36:51 ◼ ► and take a look at all the things so that is my my current favorite out of your kind of London brag to her is that you [TS]
01:37:00 ◼ ► Yeah yeah a lot of assets and I mean this is an amazing part of the world and like to you know see Westminster [TS]
01:37:08 ◼ ► and everything and so you know top that was your it was your mom's probably pretty predictable but [TS]
01:37:14 ◼ ► but I have to say because it just it is just you know it's it's just it's another soap star and it's the same stuff [TS]
01:37:20 ◼ ► and then there is the Sydney have a village. Oh of course of course we're going to have to go with the home team. [TS]
01:37:26 ◼ ► Well I didn't say the Sydney Harbour Bridge till quite late in offered Australian because I didn't go to Sydney till [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► and like you can glimpse it from different parts of the city and then you get out on the water [TS]
01:37:46 ◼ ► but no matter where you see it from what angle whether it's you know I saw it on the front on [TS]
01:37:52 ◼ ► and what it you know you catching a snippet of it between buildings and things like that [TS]
01:38:02 ◼ ► and even even now that I've probably seen a million times I just cannot tear my eyes away from if I if I'm anywhere [TS]
01:38:17 ◼ ► and it manages to manages to look really old from another era while at the same time looking really modern like an [TS]
01:38:26 ◼ ► and I think it's got it's got everything going for it it's in this incredible beautiful location. [TS]
01:38:32 ◼ ► and that Golden Gate Bridge which feels like it's a bit you know pushed away from the heart of San Francisco sort of [TS]
01:38:39 ◼ ► out in the outskirts of Sydney Harbour Bridge is like this big base in the middle in the middle of everything in the [TS]
01:38:46 ◼ ► I've had some great you know a couple of lovely new years a right underneath the watching fireworks [TS]
01:38:52 ◼ ► and I was there for the Olympics and it's a great. Said to pace for a celebration. [TS]
01:38:57 ◼ ► Scott Scott everything Sydney Harbour Bridge really is in the sense of just pulling up on the maps here [TS]
01:39:03 ◼ ► and it is right in the middle. It couldn't be any more and you know really it's it's got everything. [TS]
01:39:10 ◼ ► I have not done the bridge climb because lots of people going to ask if I've done it [TS]
01:39:13 ◼ ► and I was really going to ask because that was not that I know anything about it but [TS]
01:39:18 ◼ ► when I type in Sydney Harbour Bridge Google immediately says the Sydney Harbour Bridge Climb. [TS]
01:39:26 ◼ ► but what is it you can you put on harnesses in your harness and you clip onto a rope [TS]
01:39:36 ◼ ► Yeah yeah not something that sounds like you day itself I mean you clipped in meekly. [TS]
01:39:45 ◼ ► And so that sounds better than like you know the the the Mount Everest bridge the Indian returns bridge. [TS]
01:39:51 ◼ ► Yeah I mean you know I clipped in on that one so I guess if I had to choose between the two it sounds like I would do [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► And I think the Hillary bridge will collapse before the Sydney Harbour Bridge does [TS]
01:40:03 ◼ ► but yes I would also I would also wager that I did have some honorable mentions but I'll save them for another day. [TS]
01:40:10 ◼ ► Oh yeah the great great so we can continue that was our art was pretty good fun although I'm glad you enjoyed it [TS]
01:40:35 ◼ ► You released a very popular new video in the last few days as we record all about Lord Of The Rings sort of mythology I [TS]
01:40:44 ◼ ► There is surely the geekiest nude iest video of yours that I can remember watching I really think some of them I don't [TS]
01:40:54 ◼ ► like in terms of here's here's the mythology of something that's already fiction so here's the fiction within the [TS]
01:41:03 ◼ ► Good luck you know I learned I learned from I enjoyed it and so have many many other people. [TS]
01:41:11 ◼ ► Yeah but it wasn't it was a bit like he is a made up thing and that he is a made up thing within the made up thing [TS]
01:41:17 ◼ ► and it's like the sort of thing that would take really seriously on the war technically technically they have the [TS]
01:41:21 ◼ ► angel's brothers of the Sisters of the phone. Your new voice is making me really uncomfortable. [TS]
01:41:28 ◼ ► If you like of hitting a little too close to home is going to be what that is I don't want to begin there that may take [TS]
01:41:39 ◼ ► It may be the nerdy thing I've done because it is about a fictional universe though I was originally a bit like Onisim [TS]
01:41:55 ◼ ► Yeah yeah well it's more like this finally got my butt in gear on. Project I'm working on for a long time. [TS]
01:42:02 ◼ ► I think in particular Henry Minute Physics has probably sick of hearing me mention this project as I mentioned it to [TS]
01:42:12 ◼ ► and I think he was going to feel a bit like yeah I know I've been hearing about this lore the ring's project for a long [TS]
01:42:19 ◼ ► I was going through my old emails about this project because there are a couple people that I want to put in the [TS]
01:42:25 ◼ ► One of which is Professor Marilyn who is a token professor who has a website where she talks about this stuff [TS]
01:42:32 ◼ ► and I realize that I first sent her an email two years ago now where I compiled my initial notes for the very first [TS]
01:42:43 ◼ ► draft of this video and I sent them to her and she she gave me the thumbs up so that I had it right [TS]
01:42:55 ◼ ► but it's I have many projects like this where they have been started and stopped and they have to be paused and then [TS]
01:43:03 ◼ ► So this is a project that has been in existence in some form or another for two years but has been activated [TS]
01:43:09 ◼ ► and then shelved a bunch of times which is also why I think Henry has heard about it from me several times. [TS]
01:43:19 ◼ ► What did the professor think of the finished product as she watched the video and tell you what she thought of her. [TS]
01:43:25 ◼ ► or the other person that I asked was someone who works at Ask Middle Earth dot tumblr dot com which is a very nice like [TS]
01:43:33 ◼ ► bite sized Web site for frequently asked questions about Middle Earth stuff which people might want to check out. [TS]
01:43:39 ◼ ► I know that that he he was looking at the final draft of my video and he was looking at the final draft of my script [TS]
01:43:46 ◼ ► and said that there were there weren't any errors and I saw I saw that he posted on his tumbler [TS]
01:43:50 ◼ ► and he liked it so that I was going to be pleased with any of anything we should know about behind the scenes one of [TS]
01:43:56 ◼ ► the things that had been holding up his project for a very long time was I had done. [TS]
01:44:00 ◼ ► A bunch of initial draft stick figures and unlike many of my other videos this has a lot of characters [TS]
01:44:08 ◼ ► And with my with my very limited art abilities I was never able to find a satisfactory way to distinguish between all [TS]
01:44:19 ◼ ► and so the artwork was really something that was that was holding this project back for a long time [TS]
01:44:23 ◼ ► and then since I started working with canoe it was one of the very first things I start to think of is like hey maybe I [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► And luckily I didn't drive him away with all of my crazy insistence on the facial expression of Queen lion in the last [TS]
01:44:47 ◼ ► and we worked together on a bunch of different stuff and I think it came out really great. [TS]
01:44:55 ◼ ► and we kind of narrowed it down to to the way it looks in the end and I'm really thrilled with it. [TS]
01:44:58 ◼ ► I could never have done this so just as a huge thanks. Huge thanks goes to him with helping me out on this video. [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► So that's that's that's one of the things well done Conneaut. Yeah it looks it looks just great. [TS]
01:45:11 ◼ ► Should I pay a what's going on here. Oh OK yes if some people saw me complaining on Twitter. [TS]
01:45:16 ◼ ► So anybody who was a kind of Lord Of The Rings fan knows Tolkien was a big fan of names and so on. [TS]
01:45:27 ◼ ► All this background stuff a lot of the Rings is a little difficult to get into because not only are there a huge number [TS]
01:45:41 ◼ ► There's human translations for the names there's just a million names and there's this phenomenon [TS]
01:45:47 ◼ ► when you read stuff that you just don't have any idea how it's supposed to be pronounced And so here was a problem that [TS]
01:45:53 ◼ ► I ran into. I'm familiar with lots of these names and I'm reading them and I have an idea of in my head. [TS]
01:46:03 ◼ ► and you never hear another person speak out loud because there are not many times in life [TS]
01:46:07 ◼ ► when you run across someone else who wants to talk out loud with you about the mythology behind The Lord Of The Rings. [TS]
01:46:14 ◼ ► You don't have a chance to compare pronunciation notes and so I don't know how this kind of slipped my mind [TS]
01:46:29 ◼ ► and I was frantic in the morning like OK I have everything off that I just need to record the audio for this [TS]
01:46:34 ◼ ► and I realized I don't have any idea how to pronounce some of these names him for real. [TS]
01:46:38 ◼ ► I know in my head how I pronounce them but I have no idea if I'm going to do this right. [TS]
01:46:43 ◼ ► And let's just put it this way the kinds of people who get into the talking mythology they are nerdy. [TS]
01:46:51 ◼ ► A detail oriented people and so I was suddenly terrified that I was going to get all of these wrong [TS]
01:46:56 ◼ ► but I had to I had to do something really quick and so on a lot of guidelines they have the I.P.A. [TS]
01:47:06 ◼ ► Meaning Well OK So anybody who's gone to the articles at the top where you look at some article it'll say like oh here [TS]
01:47:14 ◼ ► and then they have a bunch of little symbols which are like funny shaped letters so it's like the upside down [TS]
01:47:24 ◼ ► and I'm sure almost everybody's had this experience where you think oh I'm not quite sure how to pronounce this word [TS]
01:47:30 ◼ ► and then it takes you to this page that shows you how each of the letters is supposed to be pronounced so that they're [TS]
01:47:37 ◼ ► like oh you know if you see a bold C It's supposed to be C. As in cat not C. As in scent. [TS]
01:47:48 ◼ ► but where it gets really hard is with the Val sounds How do you represent what the different valve sounds are supposed [TS]
01:47:54 ◼ ► So I found myself infuriated the morning that I was supposed to record the audio trying to work through some of the. [TS]
01:48:00 ◼ ► The I.P.A. Stuff and it was brought to a head. A lot of problems that I have with the I.P.A. [TS]
01:48:07 ◼ ► I don't think there is anybody who is not a professional linguist that this stuff actually helps with because you're [TS]
01:48:17 ◼ ► and then you have to look at a bunch of symbols that most people are just not familiar with. [TS]
01:48:21 ◼ ► So in your mind you don't have placeholders for these things you have to think oh I am looking for the finally written [TS]
01:48:28 ◼ ► or This bizarre symbol over here this little line then you have to find it on the list [TS]
01:48:33 ◼ ► and then on that list it shows you a bunch of other words to try to compare that sound to as if you were trying to do [TS]
01:48:39 ◼ ► something long like what I was trying to do every will move it's our right this is a name that I wanted to check. [TS]
01:48:46 ◼ ► You you cannot if you are not already familiar with it successfully use the I.P.A. [TS]
01:48:50 ◼ ► To tell you how to pronounce this because there are just too many things that you're mentally juggling in your head [TS]
01:48:55 ◼ ► and then like too many of the vowel things are just are not clear enough and so I just I hate the I.P.A. [TS]
01:49:01 ◼ ► and It feels like this relic from a bygone era when people had to write dictionaries [TS]
01:49:06 ◼ ► and there was there was no way of conveying audio information to other people and I was just in period. [TS]
01:49:25 ◼ ► when I tested them against actual words I know how to pronounce it just came out all wrong it's like look look I.P.A. [TS]
01:49:30 ◼ ► People if you think this system is as consistent as you think it is I should be able to take these symbols [TS]
01:49:37 ◼ ► and have a computer spit out the sounds but it doesn't seem like this is possible and I was complaining on Twitter [TS]
01:49:42 ◼ ► and then what irritates me is people who are professional linguists writing back in the OR go to the I.P.A. [TS]
01:49:48 ◼ ► and I am sure if you use this every day that it is a tool that can convey meaning to professionals. [TS]
01:49:54 ◼ ► But I just think it is it is totally useless for people who don't use it all the time. I've never been in. [TS]
01:50:00 ◼ ► What do you to successfully figure out how to pronounce a word that I don't already know how to pronounce. [TS]
01:50:04 ◼ ► Now I will admit that my particular problem is what they call a corner case it does not affect very many people because [TS]
01:50:13 ◼ ► how often is someone ever trying to find out the pronunciation of a word that doesn't either exist in their own [TS]
01:50:22 ◼ ► language or an actual language spoken by other humans. I imagine not very often but this is what I'm trying to do. [TS]
01:50:31 ◼ ► If I'm looking up something like is tare which is an elven word there is surprisingly like few cases I think where [TS]
01:50:38 ◼ ► someone is ever going to be using the I.P.A. To try to figure out made up words. Well so is it like all of this aside. [TS]
01:51:04 ◼ ► And like so how do we go to to find out how you stereo whatever that word like Mike is not just some arbitrary decision [TS]
01:51:12 ◼ ► anyway how to pronounce a token did have a pronunciation guides. He'd say he wrote one one using lies. [TS]
01:51:25 ◼ ► but there are also there are recordings of him actually speaking out loud the names of lots of the stuff I did lots of [TS]
01:51:31 ◼ ► audio recordings of him but this is the thing if if I wasn't time constrained this would not be such an issue [TS]
01:51:38 ◼ ► but I had to get this done on the day the movie was being released I figured as I let the clock was ticking [TS]
01:51:44 ◼ ► and I did not have time to go chase down a whole bunch of stuff to try to find every token recording ever. [TS]
01:52:04 ◼ ► when you get if you if you think about a dictionary too long the whole thing just seems insane because you're using [TS]
01:52:11 ◼ ► and you can end up getting into these bizarre loops very like oh where these words define themselves like oh God how [TS]
01:52:17 ◼ ► did this start somewhere and it doesn't start anywhere right they're all just interconnected and the I.P.A. [TS]
01:52:24 ◼ ► Oh it's it's like the sounds in this word wow do you know how I pronounce this word [TS]
01:52:29 ◼ ► and they try to give you a whole bunch but you think it's so easy to fall off the path here [TS]
01:52:33 ◼ ► but anyway I just feel like we're in a world now where we can have recordings of stuff let's just use those we don't we [TS]
01:52:40 ◼ ► don't need to have this this strange system that has such prominence at the top of every Wiki Pedia article just have a [TS]
01:52:47 ◼ ► just have a button I can click where the word is pronounced don't show me the I.P.A. [TS]
01:52:51 ◼ ► Stuff it's a totally unhelpful to almost absolutely everybody is is my my problem with the I.P.A. [TS]
01:52:59 ◼ ► How do you go in the end it did many people leave comments saying that you got pronunciations wrong as pretty positive [TS]
01:53:05 ◼ ► that you know of most of them. I'm pretty pleased I nailed most of them I got one slightly wrong. [TS]
01:53:18 ◼ ► Ivana which I think in the video I reversed in the end sounds I think I said you know [TS]
01:53:28 ◼ ► and I think I might be saying it wrong right now I suddenly can't remember out now that reel in the video for me. [TS]
01:53:33 ◼ ► Yeah well you know there's always there's always something there was a typo in the video. [TS]
01:53:39 ◼ ► but all things considered I was I was very worried about this video because I thought this was a this was a real [TS]
01:53:52 ◼ ► I love the Lord Of The Rings stuff and you can go really deep on Lord Of The Rings in the background information and. [TS]
01:54:01 ◼ ► I find that it is a world that has that perfect mixture of consistency but also mystery. [TS]
01:54:18 ◼ ► when I was say I said in the beginning of the video millions of pages is obviously hyperbole [TS]
01:54:22 ◼ ► and their words were correct I mean they go actually some really you know only has four hundred pages but yet but [TS]
01:54:43 ◼ ► and thousands of pages of stuff talking about everything that has ever happened and I was I wasn't very manly [TS]
01:54:50 ◼ ► but anyway so I was worried I was worried that I had to dramatically simplify a whole bunch of the stuff [TS]
01:54:58 ◼ ► and so I thought I might have just made a video that is to an interesting for most people [TS]
01:55:05 ◼ ► but actually irritates the hell out of the people who would like it the most as as token fanatics because I had to [TS]
01:55:12 ◼ ► simplify a whole bunch of stuff and it just strikes me as a video that did not need to be made [TS]
01:55:19 ◼ ► Like there's no like it's not like I was sitting there thinking you know I just you know I hope a lot of the Rings OK [TS]
01:55:37 ◼ ► and I hope they do of these two bridges because there's absolutely no reason for that you know I was making fun of you [TS]
01:55:43 ◼ ► but of course this is my version of of the bridge if I miss something I'm intensely interested in this stuff [TS]
01:55:53 ◼ ► and this is again just going to the arbitrariness of human interest. I cannot say why I'm so interested in it really. [TS]
01:56:00 ◼ ► I can try to come up with reasons but you know ultimately you are interested in stuff [TS]
01:56:05 ◼ ► But for the record token nerds I just want to I just want to get something on the record here. [TS]
01:56:19 ◼ ► and I went with what I think is the simplest one for people who are unfamiliar with the sim really and [TS]
01:56:25 ◼ ► But please no more emails about the actual relationship between milk or and the creation of life. [TS]
01:56:49 ◼ ► Yeah you sent me into Bristol on one of the busiest shopping days of the year at the height of the crowds to go [TS]
01:56:55 ◼ ► and see the hobbit movie today so that we could talk about it. As you know I did my homework. [TS]
01:57:02 ◼ ► Did I send you and I think I suggested that this would be something that we might want to do [TS]
01:57:07 ◼ ► and I'm not sure this was homework homework in the same way that you you commanded that I come up with five bridges [TS]
01:57:16 ◼ ► No we have we have related to Lord Of The Rings stuff we have both just watched the final Hobbit movie which I did at [TS]
01:57:29 ◼ ► but our movie watching experience was overlaps today to watch The Hobbit the battle of five armies. [TS]
01:57:41 ◼ ► I took some notes I assume you took some notes as well you know what I was really nobody [TS]
01:57:50 ◼ ► Yeah I had generally surprised I did it on a like on an on an email like on an open email [TS]
01:57:56 ◼ ► and then I don't think I saved it to dry off because I kept calling them so I haven't. [TS]
01:58:00 ◼ ► Actually got them so I really like seven or eight really interesting notes and you know [TS]
01:58:10 ◼ ► but you know what you know I'm waiting on I'm going to give you credit for trying. [TS]
01:58:21 ◼ ► It gets worse I'll tell you a funny story about the end of the film afterwards as well. [TS]
01:58:24 ◼ ► Let's talk about the film now and I'll have one last check of these nights out here [TS]
01:58:28 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure they're not you know I think all my time had us all right but I didn't take it [TS]
01:58:38 ◼ ► Where do we where do we start talking about this film we both we both obviously had seen the first two [TS]
01:58:43 ◼ ► and I think we've both spoken in non glowing terms about the first two previously. Yes we have. [TS]
01:58:56 ◼ ► When I purchased tickets because I hate going to the movies I really hate everything about the movies. Yeah. [TS]
01:59:04 ◼ ► Every once in a while I go to a movie for various reasons and it is not an enjoyable experience something like this [TS]
01:59:21 ◼ ► but it's like a real it's a real special occasion for me going to the movies I really like it. [TS]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Today was one of the first times it didn't feel like that at film and shorter. Well because it was a chore. [TS]
01:59:31 ◼ ► Yeah why do you why do you hate it just because it involves like factors you can't control everything that in my [TS]
01:59:40 ◼ ► control I can stop the movie I can't posits I can't murder anybody in the theater who's being irritating. [TS]
01:59:52 ◼ ► Yeah but I think you haven't got a joy Norma screen I am perfectly willing to pass up the joining. [TS]
02:00:00 ◼ ► I'm a scream for control without without any hesitation that is that is a trait I'm willing to make. [TS]
02:00:12 ◼ ► when I was suggesting oh it is my thing to do for a Christmas show I thought OK well let me now I have to go look. [TS]
02:00:18 ◼ ► We agreed I'm going to go buy tickets and when I was looking I was trying to find tickets for Lord Of The Rings [TS]
02:00:22 ◼ ► and I discovered fortuitously that one of the theaters near by me has what I'm going to refer to as the airport lounge [TS]
02:00:46 ◼ ► But basically for five pounds more on the ticket which considering the ticket I think would have been fifteen pounds [TS]
02:01:00 ◼ ► when you press a button that your screen is much smaller but you're in a much smaller space [TS]
02:01:10 ◼ ► People with lots of children don't want to go into the more expensive area and I thought man this is just like [TS]
02:01:19 ◼ ► when I was going to be stuck in Dulles Airport for many hours of uncomfortableness I was going into this movie [TS]
02:01:29 ◼ ► and so I thought this is exactly the moment I am happy to pay a little bit more to make this experience as comfortable [TS]
02:01:43 ◼ ► and it mitigated a very large number of my complaints about movies all of which center mostly around other people. [TS]
02:01:53 ◼ ► Yeah it was interesting to discover and I still don't like movies but having discovered the lounge. [TS]
02:02:00 ◼ ► More amenable to going to movies in the future so that was one hundred percent worth it you know something also an [TS]
02:02:05 ◼ ► interesting one and it gave me a little insight into maybe you know the life of the film critic and people like that. [TS]
02:02:12 ◼ ► Lou this was one of the first times I could remember going to a film like for work reasons knowing that I was going to [TS]
02:02:18 ◼ ► have to talk about it and it's inevitable you start thinking about what you're thinking [TS]
02:02:24 ◼ ► and what you might say in the podcast and things like that and it really affects the way you watch the film [TS]
02:02:35 ◼ ► and then I could talk right there on the pod cast and try to get all these layers like Inception [TS]
02:02:41 ◼ ► and then I could talk about the fact that I was talking about the fact that I was talking about the fact that I was [TS]
02:02:45 ◼ ► talking about it. They kind of did my head in a bit and the film hadn't even started. Yes yes it's a different expense. [TS]
02:02:51 ◼ ► I kept thinking about a while ago I read an article talking about Roger Ebert's work routine for reviewing movies [TS]
02:03:00 ◼ ► and it just it was interesting he would talk about he always did things on hand written note pads [TS]
02:03:09 ◼ ► and so at the at the end of his movie experience there'd be a whole bunch of sheets just laying around him that he just [TS]
02:03:16 ◼ ► and you know presumably of course secretary later had to try to put it all in order and collect things together. [TS]
02:03:26 ◼ ► Knowing that you're going to talk about it is a slightly different experience than just watching a movie. Regularly. [TS]
02:03:34 ◼ ► Did you have low expectations I have to admit there was a chance I probably would not say in this film at the cinema. [TS]
02:03:40 ◼ ► Thank you so burned by the previous to I love the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. Let me just put my cards on the table. [TS]
02:03:46 ◼ ► Yeah. I've not read any books really read none of them really. I'm not I am not a fan you in any way. [TS]
02:03:54 ◼ ► So you haven't you haven't read any of the mythology either them yes no I I don't I read those thousands of pages but. [TS]
02:04:00 ◼ ► And if the book was just not in-depth enough for me so I can have a discussion with you about the differences between [TS]
02:04:06 ◼ ► the three ages you know that's when I can have the cottage where you can have it just it is why pay is moderation. [TS]
02:04:27 ◼ ► but overall I really liked them I still really watch them sometimes on a winter's day I'll sit down and watch one [TS]
02:04:35 ◼ ► Thanks I think right and then I thought the first two films were real disappointments and we've discussed it before [TS]
02:04:43 ◼ ► and to the point where I did not have high hopes attached to this one. Yeah there's my There's my son. [TS]
02:04:56 ◼ ► People may not be aware I'm a fan of Lord Of The Rings but I too I love the original Lord Of The Rings movies [TS]
02:05:09 ◼ ► and dozens of hours of the making of those movies I consumed all of that I just loved it [TS]
02:05:14 ◼ ► and more importantly I think that those original three movies are a masterful example of how to take books [TS]
02:05:24 ◼ ► and film them because you just you cannot just be completely faithful to a book when you make a movie. [TS]
02:05:41 ◼ ► Obviously I did not like the other movies they are a perfect example of how not to do a book to movie transition. [TS]
02:05:54 ◼ ► and I was like yep there is Philip one of the main writers from the last one who have seen a million interviews with on [TS]
02:06:00 ◼ ► Here's who seemed really competent then and you know she's working with Peter Jackson [TS]
02:06:03 ◼ ► and is like I know all of the I know well enough to recognize all of the writers and the producers [TS]
02:06:09 ◼ ► and I've seen interviews of these people and it's just mind boggling to me that it's all the same team. [TS]
02:06:17 ◼ ► and so I was going into this one with things with exactly zero expectations whatsoever not even low expectations just [TS]
02:06:25 ◼ ► nothing so there is my starting point. So you like the movie and you think what you think of it. [TS]
02:06:39 ◼ ► Thankfully it didn't seem too long blocking to get in the same as long as the other ones. I didn't dislike her. [TS]
02:06:45 ◼ ► I was just completely it was just like I was completely not engaged with it at all. [TS]
02:06:52 ◼ ► I couldn't it was just repetitive and boring not like not like it didn't make me angry. [TS]
02:07:07 ◼ ► when that singing dancing things going on in in the hobbit house I was like oh yes and what a joke this is terrible. [TS]
02:07:14 ◼ ► It was never like that it was never like oh it was like watching a Twilight movie where you think this is the worst [TS]
02:07:19 ◼ ► thing that has ever been committed to sell you Lowenthal virtues. Yeah it wasn't like that. Well it didn't offend me. [TS]
02:07:27 ◼ ► That's just a complete I just think it just completely failed to engage me in it didn't I didn't care I didn't excite [TS]
02:07:37 ◼ ► and I wasn't impressed by the filmmaking like I was in The Lord Of The Rings just that all the things that the Lord Of [TS]
02:07:46 ◼ ► and the one my one complaint about the Lord Of The Rings films is that the battle scenes are a bit drag on a bit [TS]
02:07:54 ◼ ► and are a bit too much and this film was just like one epic one of those battles. Yeah. [TS]
02:08:04 ◼ ► and I actually just finished reading The Hobbit this morning before going then to see the final movie [TS]
02:08:11 ◼ ► and to be clear I am not complaining about differences that are from the book you have to do things differently. [TS]
02:08:16 ◼ ► But the battle of the five armies in the book The Hobbit the entirety of it is maybe maybe two and a half pages. [TS]
02:08:29 ◼ ► and I always think Tolkien Spoilers for The Hobbit people still can pull of the great move where he clearly doesn't [TS]
02:08:36 ◼ ► like to write about battles in the actual books there are not many battles described in great detail [TS]
02:08:48 ◼ ► Here's where the Orcs are they are advancing this way humans are on one side the mountain Elves on the other side [TS]
02:09:16 ◼ ► and then this movie is four hours of a battle which again could be done well because a movie is a visual medium [TS]
02:09:23 ◼ ► and I think that the last time I remember being blown away by special effects in a movie theater was the final Lord Of [TS]
02:09:32 ◼ ► The Rings movie and the final battle in that movie that was the last time I remember really feeling much [TS]
02:09:47 ◼ ► when I saw that was like the last time I was really blown away by special effects because I would come on what I was [TS]
02:09:53 ◼ ► watching this battle tonight. Yeah it's endless and inspected and I know I was imagining. [TS]
02:10:00 ◼ ► Is he doing this because he's being loyal to the book and then if if he was which I now know he wasn't [TS]
02:10:10 ◼ ► and basically it would this is how the book would read it would be you know the more the whore from the north of the [TS]
02:10:24 ◼ ► Kutiman Yes Want to go on to his right and then he swiped another guy to his left and then he fell over [TS]
02:10:34 ◼ ► And just before the Big based hero more from the West suddenly appeared and shot him with an arrow. [TS]
02:10:46 ◼ ► Repeat this nineteen times and then and then a great horn sounded and everyone looked to their right [TS]
02:10:54 ◼ ► and yet another army that you don't care about and know nothing about suddenly appeared on the crest of the mountain [TS]
02:11:01 ◼ ► and came running down the mountain and come off a horse from the south swiped one to the left [TS]
02:11:08 ◼ ► and swiped one to the right and then he fell over and he was just about to die again [TS]
02:11:15 ◼ ► And at the last possible moment Cindy the wizard from the east jumped in then and repeat that nineteen times [TS]
02:11:28 ◼ ► and is like goodness sake I don't even know who these armies are I don't know who these characters are I don't know who [TS]
02:11:38 ◼ ► I am supposed to support the people who I thought were the good guys are suddenly going to be evil is this is the ring [TS]
02:11:46 ◼ ► a big deal that I know the ring is famous but now all they care about is some stone [TS]
02:11:56 ◼ ► and then there's some other battle going off somewhere else and some people are gone. [TS]
02:12:07 ◼ ► when the only person I care about is the hub but because Ron the famous pretty good actor [TS]
02:12:11 ◼ ► and he was an excellent choice for Bill but yeah he's a he's good so you know I hope he lives [TS]
02:12:17 ◼ ► and I know he lives so there's no you know there's no tension there because the one person I care about I know he's [TS]
02:12:31 ◼ ► when the film was made as much like the first three films Peter Jackson felt like this kind of Cecille B. [TS]
02:12:38 ◼ ► Demille guy to me it's like he had gone back to old school filmmaking and it felt like he was building big things [TS]
02:12:45 ◼ ► and there were lots of people there and he was making this epic film and use lots of effects very well [TS]
02:12:50 ◼ ► but it felt like a lot of it was real as well and this one felt a lot more. A lot more facts driven. [TS]
02:13:01 ◼ ► George Lucas Yeah and yeah like it's like you know that I'm not small expensive maybe [TS]
02:13:07 ◼ ► but one of the nice things about Lord Of The Rings was so dirty it felt like they had dirt on their hands [TS]
02:13:18 ◼ ► Yeah yeah it's funny you mention that because I had the same the same feeling which again is like the Star Wars [TS]
02:13:24 ◼ ► original prequels versus the later ones where I was I was really aware in lots of the big army scenes that it just [TS]
02:13:34 ◼ ► looked so C.G.I. Which is really interesting because of course the original movie used tons of C.G.I. [TS]
02:13:39 ◼ ► To fill and fill in these characters but they did a much better job of mixing actual live action with overhead C.G.I. [TS]
02:13:51 ◼ ► and here is like oh i'll let me watch these two computer armies fight each other is no no interest whatsoever [TS]
02:13:57 ◼ ► but your description of the beginning of the movie right. So here's the story of my notes. [TS]
02:14:07 ◼ ► and I felt for I was going to say for the first half of the movie I felt like I was sitting there [TS]
02:14:12 ◼ ► and I just had no reaction whatsoever to anything like that like I was this empty vessel through which light [TS]
02:14:26 ◼ ► They said I noticed a couple of things that I thought were interesting that like one this movie made no attempt to help [TS]
02:14:34 ◼ ► They know who they're selling these tickets to it's people who watched the first two you know. [TS]
02:14:38 ◼ ► Good luck to you if you don't know who these people are the first half of that I had just no reaction whatsoever. [TS]
02:14:43 ◼ ► And I was thinking I can give this movie a kind of mess like it made no impression on me whatsoever. Yeah. [TS]
02:14:53 ◼ ► and my notes start with the line that Gandalf says about how the Orcs have this whole other second army they've been [TS]
02:15:01 ◼ ► holding back that are about to arrive. I know it says a second front approaches. Question mark. [TS]
02:15:10 ◼ ► Yeah and this was exactly my feeling as like the movie suddenly turned for me where. [TS]
02:15:15 ◼ ► I felt like it was wrapping up and I had already felt like I had been sitting there for a long time [TS]
02:15:23 ◼ ► And then there is there was just as much to continue sitting through with this second front of orcs that approach [TS]
02:15:29 ◼ ► and what that was supposed to be imagining what that was supposed to be like a dramatic twist. [TS]
02:15:37 ◼ ► but I was so disengaged maybe I was the same it was just like oh OK another battle. [TS]
02:15:43 ◼ ► Yeah it was it was it was just I cannot believe that this is this is going to continue onward [TS]
02:15:49 ◼ ► and yet they could have ended the movie right there and it would have made no difference to anything whatsoever [TS]
02:15:54 ◼ ► and then I think which you picked up on. You mentioned it and I had a little common in my notes which was. [TS]
02:16:00 ◼ ► I can not believe that they did something which was they had not not once not twice [TS]
02:16:07 ◼ ► but thrice they had the same shot of hero on the ground big troll creature over the hero dramatically lifts hammer [TS]
02:16:18 ◼ ► slash sword over its head to smash the hero on the ground and at the last second somebody off camera jumps on the orc [TS]
02:16:28 ◼ ► Yes well no drama because you know it's going to happen so OK I don't know if I have to tell you that here here was the [TS]
02:16:38 ◼ ► You know OK they did it a second time and I thought Did they forget that they already did this shot in the movie. [TS]
02:16:45 ◼ ► Right they forget like this is the second troll that I've seen doing this exact same thing where someone stops at the [TS]
02:16:52 ◼ ► Now here's the thing the third time spoilers obviously people the third time it's torn open shield on the ground who I [TS]
02:17:04 ◼ ► and I had a brief moment where I thought I think Peter Jackson has just done something brilliant here we have seen him [TS]
02:17:10 ◼ ► twice the hero come from off screen to save our main character but I know thorn is going to die [TS]
02:17:18 ◼ ► and they're setting us up in this third shot and I thought man this is going to be a hell of a movie moment. [TS]
02:17:24 ◼ ► If this character with his gigantic hammer just smashes Thornell can shield dead right because they've trained us to [TS]
02:17:32 ◼ ► expect someone to jump in and it's going to be really shocking when they don't. Nope nope not at all. [TS]
02:17:39 ◼ ► They just view the exact same shot three times and the thing that killed me was the slow down time each time. [TS]
02:17:50 ◼ ► and not keep track of this that I found that just like for a brief moment I really did think this is going to even if [TS]
02:17:57 ◼ ► the rest of the movie is terrible. This isn't him. Anything set up that is going to work great. Now opportunity missed. [TS]
02:18:12 ◼ ► but this movie is again an example of action scenes that just don't engage you like action scenes that have no sense of [TS]
02:18:28 ◼ ► This is like again hundreds of of orcs and dwarves and elves and everybody's fighting. [TS]
02:18:33 ◼ ► It just goes on and on forever with the shop where there's another wave of Orks that have just arrived [TS]
02:18:39 ◼ ► and they kind of catch Bilbo off guard. Yeah and he bends down and picks up a handful of rocks. [TS]
02:18:49 ◼ ► Now Bilbo is a tiny halfling. These Orcs are gigantic and tough creatures that are wearing armor. [TS]
02:18:56 ◼ ► Yeah Bilbo one shots for her life of the orcs with stones that he's throwing from his hands. [TS]
02:19:04 ◼ ► and this to me is exactly the kind they like don't filmmakers understand there's no sense of danger here are these are [TS]
02:19:11 ◼ ► these creatures dangerous or can a tiny pebble thrown by what is basically a child completely kill [TS]
02:19:18 ◼ ► or knock out five of them just immediately because and we're told these are like these guys are bred for fighting. [TS]
02:19:27 ◼ ► and every end always the lead guy the leader of the army who runs into one of these fronts [TS]
02:19:30 ◼ ► and I lost I lost count of the number of times some some hero he leads the charge into a huge wall of the ambulance. [TS]
02:19:39 ◼ ► They always go in with this old and take down fifteen or twenty of them before anyone knows what's going on. [TS]
02:19:49 ◼ ► Like do they ever land a punch or a solo or like it's just it's like yes like stormtroopers isn't always missing [TS]
02:19:55 ◼ ► and stuff I know but it's just slime but but there's there's a difference here where you can. [TS]
02:20:00 ◼ ► This reasonably well and I think that the original Lord Of The Rings does a much better job with this. [TS]
02:20:07 ◼ ► Where again spoilers to the Beach Boys forever I was going stop saying it but in the original [TS]
02:20:12 ◼ ► or the rings they kind of draw a better distinction between goblins which are really small and numerous [TS]
02:20:18 ◼ ► but they also kind of give you the impression that the goblins are maybe not the best at fighting cannon fodder. [TS]
02:20:31 ◼ ► but then you have the irq which are built up as these of the ultra super soldiers in the first movie the irq kill one [TS]
02:20:39 ◼ ► of the major characters. That's how you establish that there's actual there's an actual threat here. [TS]
02:20:45 ◼ ► Yes there is something to be lost and when the work I show up it is always actually bad news [TS]
02:20:54 ◼ ► But yeah this movie it's like oh are they really tough or are they not really tough it's just [TS]
02:21:03 ◼ ► When you need them to be scary they're suddenly scary it doesn't it doesn't work like that movie you have to establish [TS]
02:21:17 ◼ ► and they just they just fall over from a pebble that hits them against their clearly armored had the other saying that [TS]
02:21:22 ◼ ► was really jokey like that in a video game he was when that guy jumped in the trolley to save his kids [TS]
02:21:30 ◼ ► and I was barred I was barred saving his fam I just felt that there was a tremendously cheesy scene where the kind of [TS]
02:21:40 ◼ ► weasely the weasely guy asks ask the main character Bard you know what why are you fighting for this fight [TS]
02:21:47 ◼ ► and the camera just rotate so that his family comes right into view and I bar doesn't even like say anything. [TS]
02:22:02 ◼ ► Yeah it's funny because again like the first half of the movie just left no impression [TS]
02:22:06 ◼ ► and then I suddenly have a thousand notes about things that I could not stand in the second half because it was like it [TS]
02:22:15 ◼ ► Suddenly an interesting gift suddenly I have you know like it didn't I don't know how long it was [TS]
02:22:20 ◼ ► but it didn't it was too long but I will I will agree I don't know off the top my head the running time [TS]
02:22:28 ◼ ► I did feel it did feel shorter but still still just way way over the top and I know but I'm going to hate. [TS]
02:22:40 ◼ ► and I'm glad I kind of just dispense it was still too much but they dispensed of it reasonably quickly [TS]
02:22:45 ◼ ► and I did like that and it made me like that guy who killed the dragon it made me like him [TS]
02:22:53 ◼ ► There's some merit to that opening sequence before the opening title comes on the screen that was yes that was [TS]
02:22:58 ◼ ► and this is this is a particular moment here as well this is another example of movies have to be different from books [TS]
02:23:05 ◼ ► and so on. In the book that character barred It's guess and I was unreal when I say this. [TS]
02:23:24 ◼ ► and the chapter without ever mentioning him again in the space of maybe three pages. [TS]
02:23:29 ◼ ► That's the kind of thing you can possibly do in a movie you can't be like oh the dragon flies off [TS]
02:23:34 ◼ ► and this dude you've never heard of just kills him. Oh and then we're never going to mention him again. [TS]
02:23:39 ◼ ► Frank you have to change things in the movie any you can get away with that in a book in a way that you just never ever [TS]
02:23:44 ◼ ► could on film. So again I'm totally OK with him being like a big character that none of this exists in the book. [TS]
02:23:53 ◼ ► You have to you have to make changes but there are just so many so many bizarre changes [TS]
02:24:01 ◼ ► That I couldn't understand it also too many people like and and too many people I don't relate to. [TS]
02:24:06 ◼ ► It's like like I don't want to harp on about Star Wars and I know it's good to have subplots and you know intrigue [TS]
02:24:18 ◼ ► There was a there was a young guy with floppy hair that was a bit like you and he wanted to win [TS]
02:24:23 ◼ ► and there was a guy that was obviously bad in a black suit. He wanted to die right. [TS]
02:24:29 ◼ ► And there was a pretty princess and you wondered who was going to kiss the princess because she was pretty right [TS]
02:24:36 ◼ ► and that was it. And like everything else was just you know and then everything stems from that. [TS]
02:24:46 ◼ ► So there are like five or six guys who seem to be good but a couple of more they seem to be bad. [TS]
02:25:00 ◼ ► Well if that was the one where she cries because he's dead get away I can I can I stop [TS]
02:25:06 ◼ ► or you're going to have your play had to write down this dialogue word for word because it was so awful [TS]
02:25:11 ◼ ► when her this whole love triangle does not exist in the book so this is just bizarre and I don't understand. [TS]
02:25:17 ◼ ► She says if this is love why does it hurt so much and then the Elven King says to her because it was real [TS]
02:25:25 ◼ ► and it's like oh my god I just felt nothing I felt nothing for anyone and it was so humorless [TS]
02:25:32 ◼ ► and mun Freeman was trying to be funny occasionally I guess but the film was completely devoid of humor [TS]
02:25:38 ◼ ► and that's not a frame and strength you know I use him he could bring you know and occasionally he tried. [TS]
02:25:46 ◼ ► and the character in the books like Martin Freeman is excellently cast because he could pull off this kind of I'm a guy [TS]
02:25:53 ◼ ► who's in a situation that is far beyond what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah he is under you. Used in the movies. [TS]
02:26:01 ◼ ► But there but there were a bunch of just weird moments where the movie did try to be funny [TS]
02:26:05 ◼ ► and I thought it just it fell yeah fell flat and again it was this weird tone shift where is this movie serious movie. [TS]
02:26:14 ◼ ► You can have funny moments in a serious movie but they were just things that became oh is this comical. [TS]
02:26:20 ◼ ► Like they had a troll Siege Engine where this troll runs up to a wall and smashes it oh yeah [TS]
02:26:25 ◼ ► but they have him then comically fall backwards unconscious it was it was one step away from having little birdies [TS]
02:26:35 ◼ ► when he falls over as like oh is this a dramatic scene where the wall has been breached and so I should care [TS]
02:26:41 ◼ ► or is this a funny moment with a troll you can't mix you can't mix those two things together. [TS]
02:26:47 ◼ ► They seem to try and give us the funny lines to Gandalf and I'm not convinced he's very good or funny. [TS]
02:26:57 ◼ ► The original trilogy had given me and Haney and him leaving work and he will himself. [TS]
02:27:08 ◼ ► but totally totally works I was just trying to look at some of my notes here of disliking things that irritate the crap [TS]
02:27:22 ◼ ► and I can't member which which anyone throws on the ice Yeah yeah yeah on the ice. [TS]
02:27:28 ◼ ► He's a character that is mentioned in a single line in The Hobbit which is like an incidental person that they turned [TS]
02:27:33 ◼ ► into this enormous thing and it's him and his son and I can never remember which one is which [TS]
02:27:41 ◼ ► or something oh yeah yeah it's so I know concealed and it's him and they're standing on this ice [TS]
02:27:45 ◼ ► and they're fighting each other. OK For some reason who knows where maybe I blinked I wasn't paying attention. [TS]
02:27:52 ◼ ► Suddenly our main villain is orc has this long rock at the end of a chain that he's swinging around and trying to hit. [TS]
02:28:02 ◼ ► and it was just in this fight scene went on It felt like for five minutes of our orc trying to hit a thorn oak [TS]
02:28:09 ◼ ► and shield and it reminds me a little bit of like when I saw Avatar which is a movie I did not like [TS]
02:28:22 ◼ ► Until I find myself in the theater if you like can you just can you just hit him already I know he's going to die. [TS]
02:28:33 ◼ ► You're using a mid range weapon for close melee fight like he's he's within feet of you [TS]
02:28:40 ◼ ► and one of your arms is a giant sword and you're eight feet taller than him. Yeah just stab him. [TS]
02:28:50 ◼ ► The only reason you're using his big weapon is so that you can dramatically miss him as you slowly swing it around like [TS]
02:28:56 ◼ ► this is you're using like a siege weapon in close combat this makes no sense at all. [TS]
02:29:03 ◼ ► and the other thing I kept thinking of there was like again this like we have no sense of the danger of anything is. [TS]
02:29:11 ◼ ► In The Lord Of The Rings books there are not many descriptions of individual dwarves ever taking on trolls. [TS]
02:29:18 ◼ ► They're always doing it as an army because that's the only thing that makes any sense because he's eight feet tall [TS]
02:29:26 ◼ ► and he's fighting a dwarf and I was thinking I bet if you took a kid who's like six years old [TS]
02:29:42 ◼ ► and then you you had me with a long sword versus this kid I bet I could kill that kid just because I'm WAY bigger. [TS]
02:29:49 ◼ ► It doesn't matter how good you are at fighting if someone just massively bigger than you you're going to lose if it's [TS]
02:30:07 ◼ ► when I think of dwarves do you think of really agile creatures is that one of their fundamental characteristics. [TS]
02:30:12 ◼ ► Obviously not if it's like that it's like a Spider-Man phenomenon Spider-Man fights villains who are massively more [TS]
02:30:20 ◼ ► but his primary ability is his agility to avoid blows like this is not the situation here with his with his dwarf [TS]
02:30:27 ◼ ► versus this gigantic incredibly strong orc loses all sense of danger it just it just means it means nothing. [TS]
02:30:37 ◼ ► when like Goldfinger straps bombs to a table with a slow moving laser that's going to cut him in ten minutes rather [TS]
02:30:46 ◼ ► But here's the thing it all comes down to the movie's kind of establishing what they are and Bond movies. [TS]
02:31:03 ◼ ► and they're getting you know they're kind of light hearted and they're kind of the kind of campy. [TS]
02:31:09 ◼ ► And The Hobbit is just going so hard to convince you like this is a serious important movie that you can then have [TS]
02:31:25 ◼ ► but this phone you can hear for the first half of the film he's like bad he's being you know he's he's going a bit [TS]
02:31:35 ◼ ► Yeah and then halfway through he just seems to change his mind and I realize the error of his ways [TS]
02:31:42 ◼ ► and says actually now I'm going to be a good guy now and we're all going to hug and be buddies. [TS]
02:31:48 ◼ ► Was there some payoff to transformation that I missed that made him go from bad to good like I didn't get the [TS]
02:32:02 ◼ ► and switch he does have this kind of little thing down in the vaults and then came back to him all right. [TS]
02:32:08 ◼ ► I was worrying and import him pointless. Yeah there was no real transition like that. [TS]
02:32:14 ◼ ► OK I was making sure I wasn't texting or something and Miss No you didn't miss anything but [TS]
02:32:19 ◼ ► but my final note here time and unresolved things again a moment I kind of laughed out loud and felt bad [TS]
02:32:24 ◼ ► but luckily there were very few people in the theater with me was after the fight that lasts for a thousand years. [TS]
02:32:32 ◼ ► All of a sudden they're back in the Shire so Bilbo leaves and they they just flash forward [TS]
02:32:38 ◼ ► and suddenly Oh Gandalf is dropping him off at the Shire and he's going home. I thought hey wait a minute. [TS]
02:32:45 ◼ ► What on earth happened to the whole point of this entire battle because the men and the elves [TS]
02:32:51 ◼ ► and the Dwarves had a disagreement over how the treasure was going to be a lot of hand writes right there [TS]
02:32:58 ◼ ► when there was no there was no conclusion to this. Yeah right. They just say oh the battles over and boom. [TS]
02:33:06 ◼ ► and there was there was no resolution to what was the actual point of the entire fight what is going to happen. [TS]
02:33:13 ◼ ► Do that do right do the men of Lake Town do they get money to help them rebuild. Do the elves get their gems. [TS]
02:33:18 ◼ ► What happens with the with the dwarves who show up how does this all work for an oaken she'll do you think is the king [TS]
02:33:26 ◼ ► I know the answer because I read the book but I could not believe that they spend so much time on all of the fights [TS]
02:33:36 ◼ ► and then they just they just skip what happens that sure is how it was that they haven't even thought about that yet [TS]
02:33:46 ◼ ► but also a big unresolved thing is you know at the start of the Lord Of The Rings movies which presumably is thirty [TS]
02:33:53 ◼ ► years later or something. OK yeah something like that. Mike presumably we still live in a middle. [TS]
02:34:00 ◼ ► Earth where there exists a mountain that is full to the brim of like gold like this is an amazing special. [TS]
02:34:10 ◼ ► and in the low to the reduced Maisie's it's not has it has the go to Spain distributive though. [TS]
02:34:16 ◼ ► Well yeah but you're on this earth anyway. Another thing that bothers me is the issue of legalists. [TS]
02:34:33 ◼ ► and I kept every time he was on screen I kept thinking Get this forty year old man off off camera because of this then [TS]
02:34:40 ◼ ► he pops up in The Lord Of The Rings movies is this kind of fresh faced handsome guy stuff [TS]
02:34:50 ◼ ► and I swear he he is really going through that transition of just being an older grown up person. [TS]
02:34:56 ◼ ► Yeah and he just he just looks. He looks laughable on screen. Let's put that aside for a minute though. [TS]
02:35:03 ◼ ► I'll put that to one side for a minute you know because you know the guy's getting older [TS]
02:35:07 ◼ ► and they want to keep the same actor you know. OK Let's let's say that's a mountable. [TS]
02:35:12 ◼ ► Yes except for the fact that he's not mentioned at all in the original Hobbit movies [TS]
02:35:16 ◼ ► and there's no reason to have him there. But yeah what I'm getting I guess goes like Orlando Bloom. [TS]
02:35:20 ◼ ► But anyway find some other attractive elf dude like you who were not were not short of attractive humans in the world [TS]
02:35:28 ◼ ► Let's put that to one side I didn't even realize that but let's let's put that to one side and say you had to have him. [TS]
02:35:42 ◼ ► He's going from this boring in the in the prequels he's in the hole that he's this sort of boring serious guy you know [TS]
02:35:51 ◼ ► this amazing stuff and then in the Lord Of The Rings he's found an exciting and fresh faced and like he clearly hasn't. [TS]
02:36:01 ◼ ► but because like in the hope he's saying he's saying stuff that would just turn you into this like you know this kind [TS]
02:36:12 ◼ ► He's got a completely different personality that doesn't marry with what he's seen these before. [TS]
02:36:17 ◼ ► Yeah it makes it makes no sense whatsoever his character arc that he's supposed to be that like young sort of [TS]
02:36:24 ◼ ► rebellious elf in The Lord Of The Rings and he's supposed to be different and he sees the world slumberous man in it [TS]
02:36:31 ◼ ► and then he pops up again and one of the rigs these yes to hang out with he's eighteen years old and he lots of fun. [TS]
02:36:39 ◼ ► After seeing hundreds and hundreds of his comrades die you know not that long ago and the horrors of war [TS]
02:36:45 ◼ ► and now he can't wait to write off again. It's doesn't make it doesn't make any sense. [TS]
02:36:49 ◼ ► Now Orlando Bloom which is like this is a terrible terrible decision to have him in. [TS]
02:36:54 ◼ ► Well I'm sorry to anyone who's listened to listen to this it doesn't say in the film one does not know let's be honest [TS]
02:36:59 ◼ ► nobody listening to this who hasn't seen it is nobody's nobody's listening to far. [TS]
02:37:05 ◼ ► Who hasn't seen the movie that they want to catharsis is there anything else we need to say there's a lot we could say [TS]
02:37:13 ◼ ► and do a couple of a couple of strange points at one point do the worms pop out of the ground [TS]
02:37:21 ◼ ► and one points to remember the scene where everybody will actually look at my OK so they're pretty cool. [TS]
02:37:28 ◼ ► And then what do they do they just disappeared right as far as I could tell they popped out of the ground once to look [TS]
02:37:38 ◼ ► and I think I have read the whole because that's where all the soldiers I never saw them do anything right they just [TS]
02:37:43 ◼ ► they just there on screen to look cool just to be another piece of crap on the screen [TS]
02:37:50 ◼ ► Yeah this is just so so many things but that one was one like why does why does this exist here. [TS]
02:37:55 ◼ ► I have I have no idea it's a good thing. Other minor point that I think many moo. We suffer from. [TS]
02:38:01 ◼ ► There's no sense of place at all. How far these places from each other. Where the hell is anybody compare and contrast. [TS]
02:38:08 ◼ ► I think it's the two towers I don't exactly remember which Lord Of The Rings movie [TS]
02:38:16 ◼ ► Where at one moment a bunch of characters just literally puts a map on the table and the camera focuses on the map [TS]
02:38:29 ◼ ► and forces are coming from over here we're coming from over this way this is F R And I always love that in the movie [TS]
02:38:36 ◼ ► but it's also we need this right now I need to have an understanding of where the hell all these places are. [TS]
02:38:41 ◼ ► Yeah and this movie has has no understanding of where anything is which makes everything just even more meaningless. [TS]
02:39:00 ◼ ► but has he done that has he has he undermined himself he went. That's an interesting question. [TS]
02:39:16 ◼ ► but I actually kind of hope that at some point in the future there is a redone version of The Lord Of The Rings movies [TS]
02:39:29 ◼ ► but there are some shots in that movie where I thought you know what I would be OK with like a like a special edition [TS]
02:39:33 ◼ ► version of these movies where they go back and try to clean up a bunch of stuff because there is. [TS]
02:39:43 ◼ ► but I would have loved it if those movies were delayed like a couple years because of the technology. [TS]
02:39:49 ◼ ► But the Hobbit movies would almost make me worry about the same team ever going back and doing anything. [TS]
02:40:00 ◼ ► Saying I don't know why these are so different you know I don't even if you even if they didn't want to make it into [TS]
02:40:14 ◼ ► Even then the decisions don't make any sense about how the movies turned out about making them so long [TS]
02:40:19 ◼ ► and so padded with stuff so I don't I don't know why you may have been pressuring for three movies [TS]
02:40:26 ◼ ► but I wouldn't pressure for three long movies. Yeah like they don't they don't care how long it is. [TS]
02:40:31 ◼ ► They want three points of sale and you know you could you know cut it cut the movies down in half [TS]
02:40:38 ◼ ► One of the things that I always kind of wondered in the year for the first movies was Peter Jackson kind of came out of [TS]
02:40:47 ◼ ► nowhere and I always wondered what the story was with how the heck did this guy get hired because I look at his I.M.D.B. [TS]
02:41:06 ◼ ► but I how did this guy end up getting selected for this enormous expensive incredibly important project [TS]
02:41:17 ◼ ► And that always seemed like a mystery to me and now I have another mystery of how did the same person [TS]
02:41:28 ◼ ► So I feel like Peter Jackson is is a bit of a mystery to me I don't understand I don't understand where he came from I [TS]
02:41:34 ◼ ► don't understand how he got originally selected and I don't understand how far how far he has fallen. [TS]
02:41:41 ◼ ► Which is quite far. What do you think you think he's redeemed himself or I am baffled. [TS]
02:41:47 ◼ ► I'm a bit baffled because he did he didn't arrive with a lot of the Rings and maybe maybe the writing was on the road. [TS]
02:41:55 ◼ ► Maybe the warning signs were there in the Lord Of The Rings and make more than those battles names that. [TS]
02:42:03 ◼ ► and maybe we should have it live like it's like the hints in return of the jet I like the shape of things to come here [TS]
02:42:11 ◼ ► and it's and it's like it's almost like maybe he has this in common with George Lucas maybe he didn't. [TS]
02:42:21 ◼ ► He doesn't know what was good about it and he picked the wrong thing but he doesn't get why it worked and then [TS]
02:42:27 ◼ ► when you try to do it again he he accentuated the wrong things he thought he thought we all love those battle scenes in [TS]
02:42:35 ◼ ► his first three and it was more we tolerated them because all the other stuff was so good. [TS]
02:42:46 ◼ ► but a nice you know he hasn't he hasn't done his and a lot of other brilliant stuff. [TS]
02:42:50 ◼ ► You know I'd be pretty happy with a little rings on the say they say he's still done better than me. [TS]
02:42:56 ◼ ► and then I will I always be always be grateful to him for the original three movies to finish with what we've been [TS]
02:43:02 ◼ ► talking it's been so somber. I feel like and we we've been complaining for a long time. [TS]
02:43:08 ◼ ► This is our hour the battle of the five armies but not a Christmas special bumper Christmas special [TS]
02:43:15 ◼ ► or incredibly boring long podcast we will let the viewers decide. I mean a lot of this is already is over anyway. [TS]
02:43:29 ◼ ► Anyway I just thought it as a slightly slightly fun thing there has been a discussion on my red hat that is related to [TS]
02:43:35 ◼ ► the Lord Of The Rings which I have enjoyed quite a great deal which is listeners may know by now that my Reddit user [TS]
02:43:47 ◼ ► and this has always been a Lord Of The Rings reference this is not a I am a robot reference [TS]
02:43:53 ◼ ► but is from one of my my favorite lines in the ratings which is a comment where Treebeard is describe. [TS]
02:44:05 ◼ ► and tree beard intends this as an insult but I always thought as a kid like that's a great line. [TS]
02:44:09 ◼ ► A mind of metal on wheels that's amazing and so are you that is my Reddit user name [TS]
02:44:14 ◼ ► and a whole bunch of people only to realize this after I put a lot of the Rings video because I had to work that line [TS]
02:44:20 ◼ ► in at some point in the video and I did and I think the light bulb went off for a bunch of people [TS]
02:44:26 ◼ ► But so anyway this led to a little discussion about there are five Wizards the five is tiring [TS]
02:44:40 ◼ ► and so there was a big discussion about which which random acts of intelligence dude is which of the five Wizards. [TS]
02:44:48 ◼ ► So this is maybe Henry destine and from Derek from very Taseer Yes it is it is the five of us [TS]
02:45:04 ◼ ► I thought about who is which and it doesn't it doesn't work perfectly the characteristics don't line up. [TS]
02:45:12 ◼ ► But so I guess I am sorry man in this situation people are in quotes like I mean I don't understand it [TS]
02:45:22 ◼ ► but people have been pretty unanimous in their classifications I don't think there's a love I going to be done here [TS]
02:45:27 ◼ ► people seem to agree on this. Agree on that and so there there is there is one slightly contentious point. [TS]
02:45:35 ◼ ► Yeah OK Well the thing though mention about me with being sour man I think is appropriate because I have very often [TS]
02:45:53 ◼ ► Right but I am I am totally just aware that one of the ways of the Rings The ring is supposed to work if evil is. [TS]
02:46:14 ◼ ► and I would just be completely susceptible to that argument I would not be able to resist in the slightest [TS]
02:46:26 ◼ ► OK So beings our man is about appropriate and so then the question is are there the two blue Wizards [TS]
02:46:34 ◼ ► and the consensus seems to be that that is Henry and Derek are the two blue with Yes And the question is for you [TS]
02:46:46 ◼ ► This is yeah I mean I know a bit about those two characters and I may invest in it [TS]
02:46:57 ◼ ► Radagast and I get the impression that's because of my caveman my caveman thing I think I'm a bit. [TS]
02:47:04 ◼ ► You know and that Radagast character in the film he looks kind of caveman like cousin [TS]
02:47:09 ◼ ► and he's kind of rough around the edges and yeah I think it's the nature connection there. [TS]
02:47:23 ◼ ► but that seems like a no brainer to me I can't see how I can see how maybe people want to marry up to estimate about a [TS]
02:47:28 ◼ ► guest because destines a man of nature but I can't see how you would marry me up with Gandalf. [TS]
02:47:35 ◼ ► Gandalf is wise and clever and does good stuff and everyone likes him and that's not that's not quite my. My skills. [TS]
02:47:46 ◼ ► Yeah I was I'm glad that you coming and I don't want to I don't want to put you down you know and in any way [TS]
02:48:03 ◼ ► but if I have to be in the way we had one I'll take him. Well I would I would say I do not. [TS]
02:48:09 ◼ ► I refuse to accept the movie betrayal of Radagast as anything to do with the actual character of Radagast so I am not I [TS]
02:48:18 ◼ ► disavow the movie Radagast and accept only the book version of threat against which is almost entirely unknown [TS]
02:48:27 ◼ ► and does not does not get involved in all of these affairs about battles so I don't see I don't want to get oh OK with [TS]
02:48:35 ◼ ► that. I'm not I'm not an outdoorsman but I do like their nature. Oh I didn't tell you my story. Oh yeah I am. [TS]
02:48:48 ◼ ► and not for example I went away to a cottage in the country saw this week with my sister and friends and family [TS]
02:48:53 ◼ ► and I drove all the way back home after this week away and I realized I'd left my coat [TS]
02:48:59 ◼ ► and credit card back in the cottage when the mike had to go all the way back and get it. [TS]
02:49:04 ◼ ► So anyway I went and saw the film today and then left and went walking around the shops and just wandered aimlessly [TS]
02:49:10 ◼ ► and then went back to the car park and went to pay for my parking and couldn't find my wallet [TS]
02:49:16 ◼ ► and my wallet had fallen out of my pocket in the cinema. So such an adventure I went back to this. [TS]
02:49:22 ◼ ► I went back to the cinema and talked a lot and then I had to go back into the center and get my phone as a torch [TS]