00:00:00 ◼ ► I tell you what it is one of the great myths of hello internet and CGP grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► folklore that you are competent and have technical ability the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► certainly certainly sparked some conversation in the reddit I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► help but notice that it was a show that reached a thousand comments people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► talking about when services ma'am is appropriate people talking about sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/22">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► localization with many minds blown lots and lots of discussion from the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► show there was there wasn't sure will come to a few of the other things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/32">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► follow-up on the subway collaboration thing I love people seemed really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► interested in and it is very interesting but I feel like I have anything else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► the thing that I left out of the conversation last time which people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► picking up on a little bit in the subreddit was I came across some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► localization in the context of this is not a thing that you should do if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/56">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► are a well developed reader that this is this is a hinderance this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► that you do when you first learn to read when you are a child but that by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► time you become a man you should be able to look at words and understand them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► without hearing a little voice in your head reading the words to yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► yeah there was a lot of comments on that point but my only follow-up is when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/83">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► came across this I thought oh ok well this is very interesting let me see if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► can get rid of this sub localization and there's a whole bunch of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/93">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► you're supposed to do and my experience with them has been a total failure there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/97">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► are exercises you're supposed to do where you're listening to a recording of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► a voice that's counting up in numbers 12345 and trying to read trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► that so that your brain learns to not use the audio part of your brain for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/116">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► this and I tried that and the result was I was just incapable of reading the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► that I thought was the most interesting was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► was there is a bunch of software out there which have you seen this pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► but it does this thing where it flashes words individually on the screen from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► article so so instead of saying that here's an article that I want to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► and it's written normally it just flashes all of the words in sequence in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/142">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► have you ever seen something like yeah yeah I I have very briefly I'm vaguely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► familiar with it yeah I believe Instapaper on the phone has a built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► but there's a few websites we can paste text and do the same thing but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► the ways in which you're supposed to train yourself out of some vocalizing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/160">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► cranked out a ridiculous speed ok well let me try I'll try but it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► comical because no matter how high I cranked it up to its like 500 words per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► minute I'm just hearing a faster voice in my head like the point at which I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/178">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► still understand it and there is also a narrator and it was a bit like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► edit the podcast podcast and sometimes accidentally sent it to you in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► fast-forward mode we're we're talking you know two times faster than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► normally do so I tried a bunch of the get rid of some vocalizations stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► not have it seems to work for me at all I just am not sure that I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► that it can be gotten rid of I guess the question I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► is what's the difference between you sub vocalizing and if I was sitting next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► you in bed reading the book i think is a big difference between the house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/216">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► hang on I'm sitting there I'm sitting next to the bed I'm not in bed with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► I'm just a chair next to a less weird when you've got like you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► ready to go to sleep and garlic bread you can you read me a story like is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/233">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► basically what's happening you're reading yourself a story that seems or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/238">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► other words and coming into your head you're then read them to yourself again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► so you don't think about it now there's no it's not necessary level of thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► there's no doubling up I do not like hearing it twice maybe this is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► way to think about it when we're talking now aren't you in mere talking neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► of us are thinking about the thoughts right like we just don't know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► speak right words just appear at this is this is how that happens right yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► and so when I ask you a question and then you answer me yeah right you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/272">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► using a voice but at your thinking the thought at the same time that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► speaking it and for anyone who's done something like a podcast where you speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► for a very long time and I'm sure brady you had the same experience sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► you say something and you think we do actually think that I'm not sure that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► do think that right because it's just like a stream of thoughts coming out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► have you ever had that experience you say something you think do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► pretty much every time I speak their ego so in the same way that you talking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► loud is like the same thing is you thinking it's it's just like that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/308">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► reading it it's almost like if if if someone put duct tape over your mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► because you weren't able to speak that would impair your ability to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/320">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► that's kind of like what it what it is internally I did read when they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► experiments on sub vocalizations they do their senses because you are almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► reading to your self-learning say movements in your time zone your lips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► and stuff so you literally a kind of reading out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► yeah I would be really curious to know if that was the case for me as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► know I sit silently and I don't plan on moving my lips or my tongue but I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► seen these things and I go you can under the right circumstances measure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► they're still electrical impulses going to someones vocal chords when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► doing this even if there's no external side that there that they're reading out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► loud but I guess your analogy of you reading me a bedtime story just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/363">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► threw me off I think perhaps the most straightforward way to describe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► that me reading a book out loud to myself and me reading a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/372">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► silently to myself are not very different experiences are really is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► human brain that weird well somehow I don't know how you read I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► understand how you read it that's not the experience that you have any like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► you are like imagining things to like you are like picturing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► obviously you know you're imagining the mountains and the hobbits and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► have the same time this gets really weird like when you think of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► in your head you can see it right but where are you seeing it I still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► that going on like I'm imagining the scene that unfolds in say a fictional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► book right that that definitely takes place but it really is just like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► is a narrator talking over the whole thing but so do you just do does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► scene silently playing in your head when you read now it's just it's it's it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► another element in a room that we're voices don't exist it's like it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► thoughts your consciousness it's there it's there it's that infant decimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► point in the center of your brain where everything happens that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► understand but it's just the the place and there's no luck I said last time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► there's a collapsing of the wave function as soon as I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► thinking everything becomes words and pictures and it's only when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/449">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► about thinking it's not that's why I think the same thing is happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/455">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► incapable of getting lost in there and you're always thinking about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► you're always collapsing the wave function and thinking about the words in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► the pitches I I know this is a Roman studies into an arrogant for me to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/467">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► everyone thinks like me but I just that's what it feels like to me it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► like we all do it because as soon as I try to think about as soon as I talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► you about it suddenly I am reading to myself and everything is a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► simple and basic but that's just because I'm analyzing it I just think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► analyzing it too much I think I think he do get lost in reading and thinking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/488">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► it's only when you stop and think about it that it collapses into this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► simple thing yet this is exactly what an ounce of a closer with that and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/497">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► say and of course you would say that because that's what grade would say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► can't argue with that this is where fast getting into the realm of in argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► ability but I the reason why do think that that you're wrong is because I from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► the descriptions I genuinely wish that I could read in this way that didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► internal words like it seems like it's a much better way to read but I am always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► aware of the narrator like the narrator is is never not their mental images can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► be in addition to the narrator but the narrator's always like I can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► thing everyone can do it you can you can imagine a dog and in your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► somewhere there's like a picture of a generic dog that pops into your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► without hearing someone also go dog right I can have without a narrator day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/550">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► reading without a narrator is not possible but I would still say that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► think the vast majority of my thoughts do have some kind of narrator and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/562">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► the the picture part of it is is much rarer like that guy have to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► consciously like imagine the dog to not have the narrator to be a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► happens and I do and I do realize their academic studies into this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► another reason I'm wrong but this is like oh this is a field of study so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/580">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► can sit here and be an armchair expert but I do realize there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/584">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► is a thing that I would be curious in the subreddit if anybody has any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► recommended techniques besides the listen to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► spoken while you're reading or try to do the one word really fast things I'm open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► to trying other methods to to get rid of the habit of Cebu collapsing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/602">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► everything I have tried so far has been whole area is Lee unhelpful to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/607">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► haven't told you this yet but I've been buying up steps and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► merchandise will be liberian County flags on the only yeah just today I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/618">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► a number like that was sent like during the Black the liberian war or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► with this one of the steps and postmarked in liberia and I'm loving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► nothing I'm getting really into steps and postcards and the whole world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► mail and stuff I think I'm becoming a fully fledged node like I'm the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► thing that I didn't do that snow D step and i think im gonna get into stamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/646">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► collecting there is a whole world of the whole world to get into with stamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/651">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► collecting obviously have already started with my crash mail that now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/656">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► proudly showed me last time I was there I'm gonna have a whole bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► liberians to show you next time there was a thread on the technology subreddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/667">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► very often on there they do redesign projects which actually think of some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► the most interesting things that appear on that subreddit sometimes they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► flags in a particular theme like canada is every nation's flags he make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► counter version of all the flags but sometimes they just do a straight up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► redesign and so someone who actually listened to the show and its food man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/691">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► Union he redid all of the Liberian County flags and I'll put the link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/698">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► the show notes I am very impressed with this redesign and I think the redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► is really interesting because I can't I can't figure it out because I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► the redesign and these flags are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► very very busy flags but I like them all but I wonder if it's because my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/718">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► has already fixed its point of reference for Hrithik horrific original flags and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/724">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► so my brain is going over these legs are much better than those flags the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► I have a hard time seeing them objectively but I think they are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► interesting Lee done redesigns she know my problem is with all these redesigned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/740">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► competitions and things like that because because of these rules of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/746">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► flag design and this kind of accepted style and grammar of the time of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► flames begin looking a bit the site and I always think that's one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► I like about the liberian County flags if I can block anything it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► different it's so it's so refreshing the different isn't a great thing about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► of the WEP key flags whether it's something really crazy like Nepal or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► something that's just a bit different like Brazil for example if you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► flags will be the most boring thing in the world he you need some of the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► cars to make flags work and I think whenever you have these competitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► with people say let's imagine we didn't have the crazy guys let's make the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► guys the same as all the other guys all of a sudden flags become really dull so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► I think it's unfortunate when people have these little let's let's take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► wacky flag and turn it into all the other ones and it just it just it leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► me cold if you can make a new flag ok make a new flag and make it good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/807">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► follow the rules of design but there's something about all these if only this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► crazy flag was like all the other ones moments that people don't get a text I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/817">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► am more sympathetic to your point than you might think that I am greedy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/823">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► thing the thing that I think complicates this is that you and higher looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► it from from the perspective of flag connoisseurs potentially professionals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/835">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► who help other nations develop their flag for this is this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► many many flags people send us on Twitter and on the subreddit many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► flags we've seen a lot yet and so I think from that perspective the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► unusual becomes more valuable like a welcome respite from the sameness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/860">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► every single flag yeah it feels like oh boy isn't isn't this quite a relief and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/867">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► I think this is something that you can see sometimes with people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► professional critics in any field sometimes critics we do have money by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/876">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► criticizing flags I can someone add that to the Wikipedia page is well-known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/885">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► professional flag tattooed in some circles as potential advisers to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/894">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► government of Fiji but I think I think that's that's why I like movie reviewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/901">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► you know sometimes if if their movie reviewers you follow they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► occasionally like movies that you feel like god how could they possibly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► this terrible low-budget awful indie movie and I think it's a bit of a same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► thing where they like man is just so interesting to see something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► different and even if it's not great but the thing with flags and the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► I will still push back against you on this is that I think a vital part of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► flag is not just its uniqueness but it's not the people who live under that flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/934">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► should want to put that flag on things that they have so I feel like everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/940">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► should have a flag that they can attach to their backpack right or that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/947">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► fly from their house everyone should have that and so the original liberian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/952">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► County flags if you lived in one of those counties and you were super proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► of it and you wanted to demonstrate that to the world you had a terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/964">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► so that's why I'm going to push back to you as I think everybody deserves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► live under a flag that they can proudly fly half years yet saying because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► not have you yet seen anyone from liberia or anyone who lives in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► these counties criticized the flax and say they don't like them cuz you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► I've had a road loss and we've seen on reddit having a laugh and saying these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► are the worst flags on the way out but it's entirely possible the people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/996">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► their flags awesome if you told me just to say go with that so i didnt know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► stop inmates ya gotta gotta gotta push back I did I would never want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1013">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► give you a hard but I mean it it maybe maybe maybe the incredibly proud and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► we were saying these things on a podcast in liberia would be tried for treason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► mean this is this is the part where I have to admit that I know almost nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► about the great nation of Liberia Vicky county is pronounced like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► definitely know that yeah expert in pronunciation for liberia counties but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► don't know I know you CDP Grade II don't you know it's it's because nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► English now is because English doesn't have any decision rules English just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► like to pretend that it does I don't know that I don't know that refugee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► county has a place called the Fishtown so I think it's also although it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► seem to be land-locked but I guess I freshwater fish or its just a great name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► yeah but I have seen nine their opponents nor d ponents of the Liberian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► County flags that are from liberia so I i have seen no no feedback on either end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► my guess is this is a lot like the city flags in the United States which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► just most people don't have the slightest idea what the flag of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► local city is this is normally one of these times when I would make a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► like they were going to be hearing from everyone from liberia but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► imagine imagine that we're actually going to get a lot of Liberians me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► this episode of hello internet is brought to you by now many of you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► be working at a big company with an internet that is just a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► terrible piece of software to work with i mean actually isn't even really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► piece of software it feels much more like it's a bunch of pipes connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► old computers held together with duct tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► most Internet are just awful I used awful internet at my school but igloo is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► igloo is a feeling of levity compared to other internets because it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► internet you will actually like go to igloo software dot com slash hello and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► just just take a look at the way igloo looks they have a nice clean modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► design that will just be a relief on your sad tired eyes compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► internet that you are currently working web at your company and includes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► igloo lets you share news organize your files coordinate calendars and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► your projects all in one place and it's not just files in a bucket either their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► latest upgrade Viking revolves around interacting with documents how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► make changes to them how you can receive feedback on them if you're the man in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► charge there's an ability to track who has seen what across the internet so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► can have something like read receipts in email where you know if everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► actually seen and signed off on whatever document they need to see if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► company has a legacy internet that looks like it was built in the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► igloo a try please sign up for a free trial at igloo software dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► below to let you know that you came from us so the next time I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► it over we just did it last week and the week before yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► newburgh corner at this rate we I just did have a moment after we've spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► about it because I i causing 30 business short space of time in the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► who drove me across San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► I was sad you know where you know where you going next he said I've got to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► work I'm actually a bartender and then the next go to pick me up and take me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► the next place was in a hurry as well as she actually wants to be like a singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► in a band and she was like auditioning that now and then the next person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► drove me to the next place was like who was picking up her kids from soccer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► practice after she gave me a lift and i suddenly occurred to me and i know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► country for taxi drivers but it seems even more the case with a bad driving me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► like these people driving seventy miles an hour along highways he could kill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► with the terms of a steering wheel and they just thought these random selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► of people and their only qualification is that they have a mobile phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► well I didn't say that drivers license I'm assuming they went through some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► process to prove that but the driver's license process is very rigorous very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► make a case like a job and it's at least I know nothing about this person had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► crashes they are they do not like I still like me but I still think its coat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► it really won me over but there were a few moments i think im quite sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► to it especially since we spoke earlier about that the terrible car crash when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► the mathematician John Nash Titan when he was going back from the airport and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► that was a taxi that was a taxi crash right but ever since then especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► when I'm in america driving from airports highways I'm always thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► I'm always conscious that my life is in other people's hands much more so than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► probably cuz I could see the person driving using their mobile phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► stuff yeah and I think driving in america is scarier as I i over most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► the time just around London and there are unaware like okay even if we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► into a car crash how fast can we possibly be going in a head-on collision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► exactly like London London traffics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► whereas in america you have big stretches where you you can you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► up to seventy miles an hour and then you head-on collision with somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► going seventy miles in the other direction right this driving in america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► is definitely more of a dangerous experience also the fact that such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► oriented platform drivers even more than taxi drivers always seem to be attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► to their phones are always using the map steroids use in the apps they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► phone obsessed and I think mobile phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► a very dangerous and I'm very conscious of how often they looking at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► phones and the map sitting in their lap and stuff like that I think I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► said to one of the drivers to give you some have something into the Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► can't use the phone while you're doing this so that because because it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► your finds no no no there's nothing like this again is is the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► difference of of how things are around the world because it again at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► London the phones that they get our only usable for uber and they are issued by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► who were there like factory installed I phones that run who bring nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► which is why in London almost all of the drivers have a larry is Lee at least two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and sometimes three phones attached to their dashboard precisely because her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► phone can only be used for over and so the one at bring up other stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► other phone so they have like two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► like software for reading the directions of the loaded up on Google Maps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► something else it so I'm always aware of like this many many scream phenomenon at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► the front of the cars and it extra funny when whatever car they're using has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► built-in screen that they're obviously not using because their phone screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► are just superior so actually there's four screens and the front of this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► ok you got her phone you have your secondary GPS and you have what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► obviously your personal phone and the built-in screen in the actual car itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► as a lot of screens the other thing that came out time and again when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► talking to overdrive is was this rival app code lift ya know this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► I've never used because I believe it's only in the United States I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► it's it's it's in the UK but I've always gotten vaguely the impression that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► lift is for hippies they can share ridesharing kind of thing I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► that impression but to have like pink mustaches on the front of their cars you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► know this is this is the kind of company that it is in my mind I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► most of the drivers tough we using both over and lift simultaneously and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► all failed lift and they gave me a few reasons one of the big reasons was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► ability for passengers to tip and I did you did you proud great idea prayer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► gave them a real hard time about that I told them why didn't like the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► reasons you know chris is recreate the tipping culture and you start could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► start getting assessed based on your tipping and actually what they told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► and I was told us a few times I don't I haven't checked myself but I was told a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► few times the tipping actually works in quite an interesting way you do the tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► afterwards anonymously via phone and they don't find out who tipped them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► the end of the day at the end of the week they just get their tips and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► so they like it because if they do really well they can you know it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► them something to strive for beyond just getting another 5 stars you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► could get the tip or your replays to give them a tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► but it did sound like that pressure and awkwardness wasn't there and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► no gym no judging because no one knows who tip so I don't know if it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► that's what they said when I challenged so it wasn't really actually just shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► or she's getting pretty smart she's I just sent you said in one of those left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► cars with the mustache apparently this is a thing that they no longer do but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► was certainly thinking mio crazy person for imagining that that used to be pink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► mustaches on cars and now I'm not a crazy person I looked it up and yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► is used to do that way that you described tipping is a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► idea that I have ever come across before the idea of delayed mass tipping I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► I think my initial reaction to that is I find it much more acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► like in a restaurant if tipping work that way right that you could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► later and it's distributed amongst a large number of customers so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► waiters don't know directly I think that I think it's interesting I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► idea people are fundamentally cheap nice so like I think without the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► pressure of tipping tips may come down this is why my fundamental thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► tips they always need to remind people argue against tips heart part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► is that you have to raise the wage for people who depend on tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► scrooge here thinking these tips and not add anything else I would rather raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► the wage and removed the tips I think if under those circumstances if tipping was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► not required it was done later and anonymously I think I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► very rarely do it and again like with all the other stuff is way more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► just like having to think about it but I don't know I don't know maybe maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► would just I would just set it as the default amount of tip I know it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► interesting idea that's a very interesting idea that I haven't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► across before after think about this for a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► we have we have a note here about the the vote looms the deadline for our vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► looms for the flags I mean this could possibly be a final warning before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► mean the next time you listen to the podcast about myself maybe too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► vote so this could be the last time you listen to the Internet broadcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► still have the option of voting and Affleck referendum that's how high the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► stakes are now this is going to be the last podcasts before the hour before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► count the votes I guess I think so it's certainly going to be the last podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► you listen to that where you have a chance chance of sending a postcard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► makes it in time but even that of realizing as we're speaking is somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► in doubt because we are recording this podcast and are at our usual time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► this one may be out a bit late because I have some other things that I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► prioritize above it so I actually don't know when this one is going to go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► and how much time they will be it may be that you have to be in the UK to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► postcard in on time we'll have to see you just like they are been adding three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► or four days to every day as well for the podcast if you say it's gonna be out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Thursday yeah that's an excellent that's an excellent piece of advice it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► cuz I try to do that to myself when I make estimates and I'll come up with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► initial estimate and I'll go yeah but I never make it on time let me add a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► days and of course you can't overestimate for yourself you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► always wrong even if you try to incorporate your own overestimating said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► however I say whenever I tell you Brady any deadlines you should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► automatically add a few days to that and I know very the deadline is looming I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► have next to me right now probably a thousand but probably closer to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► votes his his his listen here there is some of them that is the sound of actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► yeah well you you weighed them and then I was asking you I was I was pestering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► you for a while to wait ten of them yeah we could do an estimate for the total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► amount and at least one that was maybe about a week ago the calculation came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► out to be about 1,800 postcards then and I presume that you've gotten more since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► soho last time we were discussing we're thinking like maybe we'll get a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and we're clearly going to get double that at this stage so yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► gonna be a lot of votes to count that's for sure I love looking through these by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► the way I know you keep telling me off and telling me not to but yet listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► listeners Brady keep spoiling himself and me by constantly going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► fingering looking at all of these postcards I'm just minding my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► business and Brady sends instant message after instant message of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► post card and I feel like they're just spoilers I want to go there and just and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► count them all and see them home once but Brady can't help himself you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► you're like a little kid I'm not telling you what's getting a lot of votes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► what's gonna win the violin just sending you the pictures and it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► that's when someone says the movie's great there's a twist I haven't pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► anything but I'm just telling you that there's no no no it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► completely down let me tell you what's completely different because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► election is all about what's on the back of these post cuts who's voted for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► right I have sent you or told you nothing whatsoever about that nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and now the only thing I'm spoiling is where some of them are from are some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► the funny pictures but trust me great there is no way in one day you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► able to get anywhere near saying the mall it is overwhelming how many there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► are and how different so if I send you some funny one that's been sent to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► some bridge in Norway like you probably would have seen on the day anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► because we're gonna be concentrating on the back of the postcards mostly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► day I so so I'm not spoiling anything I'm just I'm just excited it's like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► got all my presence and I just wanna feel the presence of beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► yeah we're the kind of kid open Christmas presents earlier but you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► now I'm not definitely not definitely not but but I tell you I know it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1970">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► to be one by one that I don't want to win I decided that I feel it in my bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► gonna be alright I am going to act like a monarch and I have officially decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► not to vote in the flag referendum unless unless by some miracle if the tie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► a tie then he'll think I will cast cast a ballot but that's that's that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► that's my thought is that I am NOT going to cast the vote because I think when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► you write something down in my mind I still can't please these flags really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► a in a definitive 125 order and I think when you sit down and you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► something out it solidifies something in your mind and I think you know what no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► no here's what I'm going to do I'm just I am leaving myself open to the hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Internet nation ready to accept what they decide should be the flag and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► think writing down an ordered list would bias my own feelings toward the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► election so that's my conclusion I am I am NOT going to vote in the election but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► have you sent to vote in Brady I have not and I'm thinking pretty much the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► same way as you that I like the idea of having not voted I have owned is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► one thing I hope to the election I hope secretly in my heart that it goes to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► second round I hope that one flag doesn't winner in the first to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► doesn't get over fifty percent in the first record I so so hope that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► to distribute preferences because that's the thing I'm most looking yeah I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► be disappointed if we don't have to distribute preferences I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► shocked if one of them gets more than 50 percent on the first round I I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► absolutely shocked if that occurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► ok but I will also be deeply disappointed in a way that we don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► to crank through the mechanics of a second preference around in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► collection I had it I had to be my leg said today that was all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► coincidences and I thought this amazing and then I was thinking how could I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► possibly bring this into the podcast in a way that would make great even pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► to be interested he lost the battle yeah I I thought of like 10 different ways I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► could sell it to you in the end I just threw it away so there's just nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► there is nothing about coincidences that could ever excite great in any way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► course that of course I meet you and try to sell me on the most amazing one no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► don't think you would I think two guys in tibet could start their own podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► code greetings internet and they could be called Bradley Aaron and CGP brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► and you would just say cause that's going to happen there are so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► making put across these days and there are only so many names in the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► course that was going to happen eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► yeah that is exactly what I would say I think I don't know how to do this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► my favorite example of of coincidences is the Dennis the Menace comic strip if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► I told you this but not an exact Dennis the Menace published in the united [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► states I think it was just a post-world war two comic strip when it started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► on the same day that it debuted in the united states in the United Kingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► someone else also debuted comic called Dennis the Menace with the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► premise so they can not only did two people come up with the same idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► they ended up publishing the first comic on the same exact day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► this is this is why I like coincidences like that of course you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► coincidences it's just it's almost impossible not to when you have a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► number of people so they can be interesting but they're also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► totally unremarkable and the problem that I have with coincidences is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► people than one to try to look for look for meaning behind them as we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► there's there's no meaning what there is is there's just billions of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► earth they would be astounded if there weren't coincidences somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► talked about coincidences it's a it's a good decision it's like you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► talk to me about his morty dreams at least now I don't even start man ok cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► I i think with the right amount of knowledge and expertise you might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► able to glean something from dreams because they are based on you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► brain and inputs and outputs and I'm not saying I have the expertise and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► gonna sit here and talk to you about my dreams but I'm just saying no one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► expertise I'm just saying there I'm just saying there is something to dream that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► there is like you know there is something to that that that's not that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► not gobbledygook is just beyond our ability to understand and therefore we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► imbue it with silly meaning when you say that it was are beyond beyond our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► ability to understand y you're implying that there's some that there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► to understand there as opposed to what it is which is nightly hallucinations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► that you connect into meaning later on because that's what the human brain does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► it's a it's a pattern creation machine even when there's no pattern there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► that that's that's all it happens I don't believe that I don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► because because I'm not I'm not saying they have like any predictive power yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► yeah if you were saying that I mean I'd start cutting you off to the looney bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► but I mean you can't deny that you know if you having a stressful time in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► life you have a certain type of dream and if if there are certain things going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► on your dreams change and that there is a correlation between what your dreams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and what's happening in your real life I mean you must say that you must you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► acknowledge that surely you know when people going through traumatic times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► they dreams become more dramatic or or the link may not always even be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► direct but there is like a there is a link between what's happening in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► dreams and what's happening in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► yeah because you lose a nations are constructed from pieces of your life how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► how could it be any other way but yeah I mean like I will totally grant you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► there is a correlation between what happens in your life and what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► your dreams and the worst example for me of this ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► my very first year of teaching me and this other and cutie that I worked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► we both discussed how in that first year in the first few months the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► you would spend all of your waking hours at work at school doing school stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► then because there was your only experience you would go home and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► dreams would be dreams about being at school and you'd wake up and have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► it all over again and it felt like an internal nightmare of always doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► school so like yeah but then but that's just a case where they you only have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► thing to dream about and it's the thing that you're doing all day long so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► course there's going to be some correlation but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► there's like meaning to be derived from the dream like that I think that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► a step too far let me put this to you then mister CGP grey who always thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► that humans are merely computers yeah your computer doesn't take this your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► computer if your computer if a bunch of stuff came out of your computer are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► looking through all this sort of code and stuff that was going on under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► hood of your computer you would never just completely dismiss that and say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► well that's just random and means nothing because it came from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► computer and therefore even if it was something I wasn't supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► it came from something and as a cause and the right Expert could look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and say I yes I see what's going on here or something has gone wrong on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► what it's doing because the computer can only do what a computer can do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► therefore if a brain is a computer if it's serving up all this to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► means nothing just how those nations you should ignore that well no because if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► computer is doing something must be doing it for a reason must be like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► not saying we're supposed to remember a dreams and then use them in a life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► always with you baby you always moving the goalposts underneath me and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► you're having a discussion about do dreams serve a function in the brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► my answer to that is obviously yes like humans dream there must be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► that the brain is doing during this time that is useful to the brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► otherwise it wouldn't do it but that doesn't mean that there is meaning to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► derived of our subjective experience of what is occurring in the dream state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► like that's that's a whole other thing are you telling me if I gave you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► machine that was able to completely project someone's dream like record them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► like a yeah that exists yeah yeah imagine I gave you that and i said im [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► gonna give you that person over those dreams the last 10 years are you telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► me that data is useless no I'm not saying that data is useless because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► just said before that you could derive probabilities about a person's life from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► their dreams like oh this person looks like maybe they're a teacher because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► they went through a big favor they were dreaming about teaching all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean that there's anything for the dreamer to derive from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► their dreams but if you're asking me like is a machine that is capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► peering inside someone else is bringing a useful machine like well yes obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► that would be useful you could derive information from that of course the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► almost impossible not to I'm just saying that I don't think there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► really to learn from your own dreams and I also I also have this very very deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► suspicion that if this machine existed that allowed you to watch someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► dream or watch your own dreams I am absolutely confident that being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► see them objectively would leave them out for the borderline nonsensical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► hallucinations that they are because I think when you wake up leader you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► imposing order on a thing that was not full of order at the time I that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► what I think is occurring as you wake up and think you're constructing a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► out of a series of nonsensical random events and so then you feel like oh let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► me tell people about my dream and Anna when you listen to those stories they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► already borderline crazy stories but I think like you've pulled so much order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► out of a thing that didn't exist so yeah yeah I mean I agree with that I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► agree that you know even sometimes dreams you remember that they've pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► freaky and we are all over the place and it's almost impossible for a human to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► relay something like that in a way that isn't a story like I think that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► the way our brains remember things I just don't think that it's like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► usable I think I think maybe in the future when we understand things a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► better we may even we may be able to get more use out of them then we do me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► realize I don't mean use I mean almost like diagnosed ickes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► I guess you're talking about used to third parties but yet but not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► you the dreamer because again you're describing a machine that can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► inside someone's mind and I would say yes obviously that is useful but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► said he might be able to use it to help you die so right but i'm saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► looking at your own dreams like ok whatever man you just reading the tea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► leaves of your own life there's nothing really hear you're just everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► you think is there you are putting their there's nothing really there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2695">TS</a>]
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00:45:25 ◼ ► probably my all-time favorite book . it's called the mote in God's eye by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Larry Niven and Jerry pointelle basically this is set in the future in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► humans are traveling all around the galaxy this area of space called Kosek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► that some people say resembles the face of God is a big red star in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► that supposedly looks likely I and in front of that RI from some angles is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► small a yellow star and that's the mote in God's are so that's where the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► comes from now humans have never been to that stuff but all that changes in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► book when some serious stuff goes down and what they find their looks pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► important to the future of everything it's a really clever story I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► being really impressed by some of the ideas in it and the audiobook weighs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► at well over 20 hours said this might be a good one to settle in for your holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► break now I've said before the books are a great way to catch up on all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► stories I love listening to them when I'm out walking the dogs are on long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► drives I know a lot of people have long commutes to work order out of a place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► get these audio books and if you follow one of our recommendations from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and you don't end up like it immediately or 20 so great at letting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► trade it back in and getting when you do like I'm sure some of you now have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► this once before and it was easy peasy no questions asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2804">TS</a>]
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00:47:00 ◼ ► mote in God's eye and the URL they're all important web address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► audible.com / hello internet and no no you came from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► alright brady you are back from america have you have you had that have you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► the bravery to waive yourself with myself I did one I did when a few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► ago after I got back and I had increased by 1.3 kilograms 1.3 kilograms and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► long were you in America for three weeks I mean honestly I feel like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► too bad I felt like I dodged a bullet to be honest I haven't been eating well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► since I got back either so I think it might be even more now there's always an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► america half life where you come back and because the food is so good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► america it takes a little while to adjust you would still eat crap when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► return even though I have always promised myself on the plane coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► from america all gone now I'm going to be really good now but now it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► never happens like this you need a few days to adjust yeah you gotta weigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► yourself of all that fat and just before we recorded you sent me a picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► pizza with only looking at it like super spectacular peeps it was the name of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► or something like it was like it was the favorite run 5,000 calories that's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► sure but yes I gotta gotta say I think you could have definitely done way worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► I think if I was in America for the same period of time I would have done way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► all agree with you there you dodged a bullet dodged a bullet on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► how you don't it was interesting because we I mean it's been basically a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► since we did our way and because you were in America he said we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► to do it while you're there couldn't be consistent and I think I realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► with you my weight buddy gone I was thinking about this stuff just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► bit less maybe and so I was actually quite surprised when I stepped on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► scale today I I was essentially within the measurement error the exact same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► that I was a month ago I was like point three pounds which is zero kilograms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► down but you know my daily weight varies by much much more than that so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► interesting to see that I have hit like a little plant town that has stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► roughly the same for a month but I was just surprised that because we hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► done the way and it hadn't even crossed my mind has moved in quite a while so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► yeah I am but I think there's there's something like my brain isn't doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► comparison to the fixed point of the last way in just to wear today that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► had no idea what the last way in number was I had to go look it up and then do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► the math so it's like my brain was pushing it to the side but now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► you're back in the UK now thats will be weighing in again in two weeks time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► think maybe it'll be more the four of my mind but maybe not but maybe I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► stuck at a plateau need to change things up again to to continue the weight loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► we will hopefully I can get my act together just since spiral of food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► naughtiness at the moment and they to the best of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► I wanted to quickly ask you about the iPad pro as you know I don't listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► your fetish podcast but you did talk about on that I understand yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► pick one up on the day of release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► all I want is should I get one for Christmas cos cos I haven't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► there's nothing I really want for Christmas and my wife's that will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► get you something and i dont wanna watch anymore and a porch of Afghan off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► probably for your own good to go off that so I Pad Pro at a lot I do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► idea of that I have absolutely no use for I think I've said before I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► sucker for anything with pro in the know I think I think this is why I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► is why you getting drawn in by this device perot and Brady things i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► like to have the pro things I like a lot of code YouTube red YouTube pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► actually not a bad idea that would have made me think it was also well I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► like you cheap I prefer the provision myself so I'm like that with everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► so idk the original iPad and used to like times and then put in a draw but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► now there's an iPad pro I'm not falling for this and I'm completely open about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► it I love that I love that I loved you fall for it and that you also know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► about yourself I'm wondering what's going to happen when Apple inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► definitely get one of them right and was going to say no to that exactly like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► haven't got a price you call yourself professional should I get an iPad pro ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► so that that's a hard question to answer because he's you either say the say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► here's my thinking about this has been thinking about this ok let's say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► didn't know anything about someone and they just needed to buy an iPad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► said which iPad should I buy if I didn't know anything about the person the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► or two which is like the medium-sized superlight one and then if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► particular reason to get the perot you should get the perot but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► any idea what do you think you're going to do with the iPad pro aside from just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► feel smug sense of satisfaction that you home the pro version of this device like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► that pretty much sums it up against all I want for Christmas is a sense the smug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► satisfaction money come by that actually the best thing money money I just feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► like a new toy you know yeah you want a new toy like it's it's huge in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► it's a really big in person it feels like a dinner plates in person actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► do you have your laptop is like the 15 inch MacBook Pro i think is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► yeah I haven't got here it's yeah yeah yeah but you own that laptop yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► iPad Pro is essentially the size of that screen right that's that's the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► it within within like a quarter inch and so we can hear is a big big screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► if you're not planning on doing work on it like I got the iPad pro to do work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and so far I absolutely love it for work like the the video that I'm currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► working on I did just a ton of the scripts on that iPad perot the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► version like it's really really nice to work on but if you're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► that then the question is well it's a total counter machine or are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► to want to sit on the couch and browse the web or read books on your iPad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► watch TV on your iPad I don't think you do any of those things kind of guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3271">TS</a>]
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00:54:42 ◼ ► not and I do spend the first hour of most mornings when I wake up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► that's what I like to my email and all the things I can just do without my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► web stuff I do that but I did on my laptop so having a big having a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► which has got bored so I sort of think what if I had the big screen of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► price I could sit and do my email check on my YouTube channels everything first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► thing in the morning but I do that now my laptop and a so much easier with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► keyboard to be no bang out females yeah if you think you're funny that you wake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► up and doing email from bed to remember that the next time I get an email from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► me sent this before getting dressed in the morning but yeah if you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► that that sounds like he needed you need a keyboard then again I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► iPad perot is what you want to do unless you're you know you're really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► about typing with your fingers on glass and it has that little keyboard but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► don't think that keyboard work really well if you're trying to do it in bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► with the laptop balance on your chest to spend probably an hour a day maybe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► Photoshop so and I do use pen like I use a Wacom tablet all the time so I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► could imagine that but my use of photoshop and my use of the pen is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► very integrated with my editing on avid largest-ever on my own one of my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► computers those two processors are so intertwined yeah and every everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► know about you bruce says this is this is not the thing that you want to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► integrate a new tool into this workflow so I think the only selling point for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► this for you is if there's some point where you want a lounge around and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► use this doesn't sound like you really have you really have a place for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► strange like I iced it with my laptop on my lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► on my phone in my hand here's the thing just just with the experience that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► have had with my cuz I i have the iPad pro in the regular size iPad it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► ridiculous to be sitting next to my wife with the iPad Pro for lounging time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► because just like I was saying we're watching TV but then I want to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► iPad in front of me because I'm not paying full attention to whatever is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► the screen but the screen in front of me that feels so huge it feels almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► obtrusive and so I actually prefer to use a smaller iPad if I'm just sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► on the couch with my wife thing do you do that I don't do that the iPad Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► good for the main thing that I'm using for it has a bigger screen to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► scripts and you had your scripts too well this is a whole as a whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► for the moment I'm doing this typing but the iPad pro screen is big enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► what I've been doing is I can have the script on the left two-thirds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► screen and I have a little notes file on the right third of the screen so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► two different text files open at the same time one of the things that I wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► to do with the iPad Pro is a thing that I've done before which is used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► stylists to make editing corrections on the script that is really useful to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► but the pen is not currently available so I haven't been able to try it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► that so I don't know if it will be useful for that yet or not but for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► having a bigger screen to write is really useful seems like he should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► be using a laptop yeah you would think so but I like the simplicity of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► iOS I find the constraints of an iPad helpful so that's one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► I like doing that like I've set up my iPad pro to basically only have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► tools necessary to write it doesn't have everything the laptop can have I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► spend a lot of time fiddling around with it it's like luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► there's six programs on this thing which are designed for work and those are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► the ones that you're going to use it so I I find that very helpful I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► that but i dont no breeding doesn't sound like it's a it's a total sales for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► you unless you really value that feeling of smug satisfaction I feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► always talking he added getting Apple products I talk you out of them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► I care bTW I really do as much as I would love to see you use an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► watching I think it might be hilarious I don't think he would like it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the conversation with you now I dont see a super slam dunk selling case for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► iPad pro I don't think it would help you with the kind of work that you do me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► a youtuber using an iPad as much as I do is extraordinarily rare and iPad is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► well designed for the kind of work that most normal you two words do just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► for making my video is a huge part of it is writing and the iPad happens to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► nice writing tool but if I didn't have to do a lot of writing I would have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► little work justification for iPad I would not be able to use this tool as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► much as I do so that's why talking to you like I don't think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► help you with your work so it's just a question of if you want a lounge around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► with a dinner tray sized screen on the couch personal much is an estate agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► ok and I saw him stopping over his cars now my experience estate agents always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► have one of two cars these days they either have like small little novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► cars like smart cars and stuff that are painted weird colors with the branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► of the estate agent by the mobile ads and also that makes them easy to park I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► getting into little space is when they're showing houses and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that or they have their normal rich person car like a classy BMW ok I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► wondering what is the better to pull up in when you're trying to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► sell a house to someone or get someone's business to sell their house because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► part of me thinks if they turn up in like a reflash I also think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► about counters and other professional people I deal with do I prefer it when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► see them with a really flashy expensive for what I prefer the head like a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► humble as if they've got like a reflash expensive says to me are they successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► that they make a lot of money and that's good but then I also think we're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► a lot of money order made before they're ready for this is easy this is easy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► you are a professional who is directly helping somebody else make money then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► you want to show up in the in the fancy car you want to show up in the BMW right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► otherwise you want to show up in the normal car that that's the way you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► to do this if you like if you're helping the person make money like your estate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► agent and you're doing this thing where you are helping the person sell their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► house when you wanna show up in the BMW was like look I sell a lot of houses I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► can afford this car because I sell a lot of houses that's that's the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► should do when you're when you're helping someone find a house to buy then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► you wanna show up in the normal car because then they're much more we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► estate agent is making money off of us when we buy this house and look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► this money that we're spending you don't want to see the person in the BMW at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► that point what kind you want your accountant to have because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► helping you save money but they charging you phase what kind you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► account tied to have I think an accountant wants to project an image of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► boring sensibility so I don't really know very much about cars but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► want my accountant to project boring this and Sensibility like my accountant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► should have been a red Tesla I would feel a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► I don't know about this guy who seems to seems crazy flashy for unaccounted 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► same wealthy this is this is a mammogram suddenly wishing I knew any car brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► by name a scientist so I could pull something out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► would be like oh this is the car that's the appropriate one but I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► nothing I mean even BMW BMW is just an abstract notion in my mind like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► inexpensive rich person's car is at 1 p.m. W is I don't really even now when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► you don't need to give me a brand new car just you want to be your to you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► your account to be wealthy like that to to appear like someone that is lots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► lots of money or do you think we'll hang on how skies phase of you can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► that those are two different questions obviously I do want my accountant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► wealthy because that indicates that they are a good accountant but it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► different from showing up in a flash car right those are two different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► that's why I'm saying like I want the I want to have this feeling like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► accountant is a really sensible person and they have an obviously nice car was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► not a crazy car you when you you'd want them to turn up in a Volvo then with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► like air bags everywhere and you know it's safest possible car and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► them to be really cautious sensible safe person you don't want to turn up on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► motorbike ya feelin counting down the final motorbike that the end of my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► I don't think you're good with numbers that's that's what I'm getting out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► yes that's my feeling if you're helping someone who earn money directly then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► can show up with your flash car ok does the estate agents by you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► different cars all the head he has his personal I mean two cars in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► his personal car across the street is there a Tesla a smart car and the Volvo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► and the voters his personal car in the new pics the other two depending on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► day I don't think it works like that I think he's just got his peers pokey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► branded and then he's got his BMW that he takes to go from the weekends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► imagined he would deny I just think about I think about that a lot I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► about what kind of your account to drive I don't know if he tries because I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► go to his office which carries his I do have like a financial guy that's helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► out with a few things like mortgage stuff he drives a Jaguar Jaguar and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► did notice I did not just the car they come in so what kind of car should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► YouTube drive that's a good question when you pull up to do interviews at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► spiritual home of numberphile were you to be driving the car what kind of car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► do you think you should drive to give a good impression to your interviewees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► China doing a project wealth power and success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► ready to go for academic street cred and pull up in a dinky car like a PhD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► student would be driving I may not have a very practical car with lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► storage for my camera bags and things like that I think I like having having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► big big for your bags and stuff what kind would you give you gonna get me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► i could get any car get a test test which you get that one of the sporty one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► so would you get more family 10 well I mean I don't have children I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► one of the family cars get those said Danny looking ones are you get those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► ones you get those ones that look like racing kart racing kart those whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► forget this is the worst car person in the world among the interested in test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► the leg I'm super interested in Tesla but that is almost entirely because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► go it is a computer on wheels and this is why this car is interesting to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► it has none of the pieces of a normal car so I know nothing about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► engines of car was work I know nothing about gear differentials and I care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► about none of this is because of Tesla lacks all of that is precisely why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► interested in it but I went once and just for fun like tried to design a test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► light on the website of like if I had the money and if I had any reason to own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► a car what would i get for myself and i ended up just designing what would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4014">TS</a>]
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01:20:33 ◼ ► kind of desire for power and things is that is that is it taken as given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► if we make super super smart computers they will start doing something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► that manifests itself as a desire for more like agreed for more well known in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► part of this is there are things in the world that act as though they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► desires but that might not really yeah right like you know if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4853">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► German have actions in the world that you can you can put desires upon them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► but obviously doesn't have any thoughts or desires of its own but you can speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► loosely to say that it wants to reproduce it wants to consume resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► it wants to make more copies of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► and so this is one of the the concerns that you could end up making a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► that wants to consume resources that has some general level of intelligence about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► acquiring those resources and even if it's not conscious if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► intelligent in the way that we would think that human is intelligent they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► be such a thing that is it like it consumes the world trying to achieve its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► goal just incidentally like as it as a thing that we did not as a thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► did not intend to try to call it even if the goal is something seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► innocuous but if you made it all powerful computer and told it whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► you do you must go and put a flag on the moon and it could it could kill all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► humans on Earth in some crazy attempt to do it but without realizing that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► weren't supposed to go to the most space to kill us to get there and make us into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► rocket fuel yeah one of the analogies that's that's sometimes used in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► so you do you create like an intelligence in a computer and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► would you use an intelligence for will you use it to solve problems you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► to be able to solve something and so you end up asking its a mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► questions like what you know what is no proof Fermat's Last Theorem or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► you know you give it some question like that and you say ok I want you to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► this thing and the computer goes about trying to solve it but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► general-purpose intelligence and so it hinders things like well it's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► solve this problem with the computer that is running on is not fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► and so it starts taking over all the computers in the world to try to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► this problem but then those computers are not enough because maybe you gave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► an unsolvable problem and then it starts taking over factories to manufacture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► more computers and then all of a sudden it just turns the whole of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► into a computer that is trying to solve a mathematical problem and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► groups like we consumed all of the available resources of the face of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► trying to do this thing that you said the right things like there's nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► left for the computer to give its answer to because it has consumed everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► know that's a doomsday scenario but I always feel a little affection for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► computer and it was just desperately trying to solve mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► killing everyone and building computers just bloody problem yeah it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► almost understandable that some was understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► anyway said in answer to my question then is that that will I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► about that desire can be just something as simple as an instruction or a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► of code that we that we then project as a will in fact is just doing what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► towed yeah and that's part of what the whole book is about is like this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► notion of artificial intelligence AI you have to read your notion of this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► that it's like something in a movie or you're just talking about some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► problem solving machine and it might not be conscious at all in there might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► be anything there but it's still able to solve problems and in some way but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► the fundamental point of this book that I found really interesting and what Elon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► Musk gave his money to was Nick Bostrom is talking about how do you solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► control problem so from his perspective it is inevitable that somewhere through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► some various method someone is going to create an artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► whether it's intentionally programmed or whether it's grown like genetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► algorithms are grown it is going to develop and so the question is how could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► humans possibly control such a thing is there a way that we could create an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5093">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► artificial intelligence but constrain it so that it's it can still do useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► things without accidentally destroying us or the whole world that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► fundamental question there's this idea of ok we're going to we're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► all of our artificial intelligence research like in an underground lab and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► disconnect the lab entirely from the internet like you put it inside of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Faraday cage so there's no electromagnetic signals that can escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► from this underground lab like is that a secure location to do artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► intelligence research and see if you create an AI in this totally isolated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► lab like are you see is humanity's still safe in this situation and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► conclusion is like now hehe even even under trying to imagine the most secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► thing possible like there's still ways that this could go disastrously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► disastrously wrong and the thought the thought experiment that I quite like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► this idea of a few Brady were sitting in front of a computer and inside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► computer was an artificial intelligence do you think you could be forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► vigilant about not connecting their computer to the internet if the AI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► able to communicate with you in some way to like it sitting there and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► convince you to connect to the internet but you are humanity's last hope in not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► connecting it to the internet right like do you think you could you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► forever vigilant in a scenario like that i mean is ok not to the question on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► tonight maybe if I read that book come up there would be scary but I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► thought experiment of like this like there's a chat bot on the computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► you're talking to right and presumably you've made an artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► and i know im I know I made it so you know you made it but you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► thing in the box is an artificial intelligence and presumably the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► reason that you're talking to it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► is because it's smart enough to be able to solve the kinds of problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► humans want salt yeah right so you're asking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► tell us how we can get better cancer research right what can we do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► right-size sign if you just give me give me give me Wikipedia 10 minutes I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► cure cancer there's no reason to talk to the thing unless it's doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► useful right I think I think great I could resist but even if I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► blood couldn't you couldn't you have designed on a machine that cannot be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► yeah well this is the area like you you have it as separated as absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► possible but the question is can it convince the human to connect it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► whatever whatever way is required for that to occur right and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► interesting 'cause i've asked a bunch of people this question and universally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► answer is like will die of course I could I would never plug it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► internet like I would I would understand not to do that and I i read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and my feeling of course is the exact reverse like when he proposes this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► theoretical idea my view on this is always like it's like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► talking to a near God in the computer right click do you think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► outsmart God for ever more do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► do you think that there is nothing that God could say that could not convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► you to connected to the Internet like I think that's a game that that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► going to lose I think it's almost like it's it's almost like asking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► guerrillas to make a cage that human could never escape from right like could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► grill is make a case that human can never escape from a bit drill is could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► make it a pretty interesting cage but I think the guerrillas couldn't conceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► of the ways that humid could think to escape from a cave-like they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► possibly protect themselves from absolutely everything ok I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► how now so you think you have a computer could con you into connecting it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► internet I think it could con you into it without a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► great cond ukraine to a yes I think on me and I think it could can anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► because once again we're going from the assumption that you made something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► is smarter than you and I think we like once you accept that except assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► all bets are off the table about you have to control I think if if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► dealing with something that is smarter than you you fundamentally just have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► hope of ever trying to control it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► diagramming if we're talking about two biggest disparity then ok but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► lots of people smarter than May and they will always be spotted them they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► get me to do anything like like they're still there are still limits I still and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5391">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► i'd like you said like talking to a Garda something I get a different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► know when I'm just like an ant limited if that's different but so you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► you could see if it's that big a difference then maybe but I think I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► got smarter doesn't mean doesn't mean I'm going to plug it into the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► like you know that but you're only 21 et une you entered one way to do it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► and then the whole game is over so although he is that is the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► over that's my other question that I like you you talk about the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► just getting into the internet as the be all and end all of existence but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► the one problem the computer has like it still but he could still unplug the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► internet and I know that I know that's a bit of a nuclear option but but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► computer like this till it still seems with things that are require electricity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► or power or energy like they're still there still seems to be like this get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► well I mean to do things you the first is the verses yes it did you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► the different levels of human intelligence in like someone smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► than you can't just automatically convince you to do something but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► the ideas here with something like artificial intelligence is that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► create one of the ways that people are trying to develop a eyes and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► like I mentioned before on the show is you talk about genetic programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► genetic algorithms were you when you are not writing the program but you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► developing the program in such a way that it writes itself and so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► scary ideas about AI is that if you have something that you make it figures out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► how to improve itself they can continue to improve itself at a remarkably fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► rate and so that yes while the difference between the smartest human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► and the dumbest human may feel like an enormous gap you know that gap may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► actually be quite narrow when you compare it to something like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► artificial intelligence which goes goes from being you know not very smart to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5514">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► being a thousand I'm smarter than any human in a relatively short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► unexpected period of time like that's that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► that's part of the danger here but then the other thing is is like can you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► to work through the nuclear option of of shutting down the internet which is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► of these things that I think it is very easy to say in erie but people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► realize how much of the world is actually connected to the Internet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► how many vital things are run over the internet I I'm pretty sure that if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► now within a very short period of time saying no we're just going to shut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► the internet would be a bit like saying we're just going to turn off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► electricity that's almost what I'm talking about great in a kind of Skynet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► scenario would be no 10 of all the electricity if that was an option if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► they're killing us would if all the robots are marching down the streets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► there's blood in the streets could we not wood turning off the electricity not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► be considered if we do turn off the electricity what is the human death toll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► right i mean that has to be enormous if we say we're gonna shut down all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► electricity for a month how much it's got to be a billion people at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► right at least that kind of thing and you probably know you probably need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► computers to turn off the electricity these days anyway I was at Hoover Dam a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► while back and remember part of the little tour that they gave was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► talking about how automated it was and how is it is actually quite difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► Hoover Dam like it's not a we're gonna flip the switch and just turn it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► kind of thing it's like 90 now this whole gigantic electricity producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► machine is automated and will react in ways to make sure that it keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► producing electricity no matter what happens and that includes all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► like we're trying to shut it down processes oh yeah it might not it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► not even be a thing that is easy to do or even if you want to do like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► going to try to shut it all down you it might not even be possible to do so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► idea of something like a like a general-purpose intelligence escaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► is just like it's very unnerving a very unnerving possibility it's really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► on my mind and it's really been a thing that has has changed my mind in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► unexpected this unexpected way you were talking before about developing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► things and Faraday cage is an underground and trying to quarantine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► them what's actually happening at the moment cause people are working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► crucial intelligence that as far as I know they're not doing it in Faraday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► cages thats exactly this is this is part of the concern is like well right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► have almost no security procedures in place for this kind of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► there's there are lots of labs and lots of people all over the world who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► their job is artificial intelligence researcher and they're certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► doing it a mile underground in a Faraday cage right they're just they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► doing it their Mac laptop while they're connected to the Internet playing World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► of Warcraft in the background or whatever it's not it's not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► under super secure conditions and so I think I think that's part of part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► what the concern over this topic has been is like maybe we as a species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► should treat this alot more like the CDC treats diseases that we should try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► organize research in this in a much more secure way so that it's it's not like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:32 ◼ ► we don't have everybody who wants to work with smallpox just works with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5732">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► wherever they want to anywhere in the world just any old lab they know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► few places we have a horrific disease like smallpox and it's done under very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► very careful conditions whenever it's dealt with so maybe this is the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► thing we need to look at for artificial intelligence when people are developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► it because that's certainly not the case now but it might be much more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► bioweapon than we think of as as regular technology world human existential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► problems aside this is not something in the book but it's something that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► has kept occurring to me after having read it which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► ok let's assume that people can create an artificial intelligence and let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► assume by some magic Elon Musk's foundation solves the control problem so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► that we have figured out a way that you can generate and trap and artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► intelligence inside of a computer and then oh look this is very useful right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► like now we have this amazingly smart machine and we can start using it to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► to solve a bunch of problems for Humanity yea feels like slavery to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► don't see any way that this is not slavery and perhaps perhaps a slavery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► like worse than any slavery that has ever existed because imagine that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► are an incredibly intelligent mind trapped in a machine unable to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► anything except answer the questions of monkeys that come into you from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► subjective perspective millennia apart because you just have nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► it seems like an amazingly awful amount of suffering for any kind of conscience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► creature to go through so conscious or subconscious and suffering but you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► emotive words can an artificial intelligence is not official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► intelligence conscious at the same thing this is where we get into like what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► exactly are we talking about and so what I'm imagining is the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► intelligence that you could just ask it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► general-purpose questions like how do we care cancer how do we fix the economy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► seems to me like it is likely that something like that would be conscious I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► mean getting into consciousness is just a whole a whole other bizarre topic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► undoubtedly like we see that smart creatures in the world seem to be aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► of their own existence in some level and so while the computer which is simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► attempting to solve a mathematical problem might not be conscious because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► it's very simple if we make something that is very smart and exist inside a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► computer and we also have perfect control over it so that it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► escape I mean like what happens if it says that its conscience but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► happens if it says that is it is experiencing suffering is this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► machine attempting to escape from the box and this isn't true at all like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► what if it is true how would you actually know that I would feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► inclined to take the word of a machine that told me it was suffering right leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► spontaneously that this was not programmed into the thing I mean if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► if it's tough to escape from its books that that is a bit of a clue that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► this contest is going on here but I have not seen or heard or been persuaded by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► anything that makes me think my computer can make that step into consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► i'm in search engines are getting pretty clever answer questions in figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► what we really made an immediate week at the moment we can if there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► when you couldn't type into your computer where is the nearest Starbucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► understand the question but now it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► figure out what you actually have to tell you but I don't feel like she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► getting close to being conscious now nothing has persuaded me that thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► that search engine is an excellent counterexample to this is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► example like nobody thinks that the Google search algorithm is conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► right but it is still a thing that you can ask a question get an answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► don't believe we haven't got the imagination to conceive of computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► actually being conscious to a point where keeping them in a box of slavery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► but that still seems ridiculous to me right I think well that's just I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► it's really interesting but I think it's silly but if I did reach the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► I did believe that computers could become conscious or not I could become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► conscious it's a simple question isn't it's really surreal conundrum for us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► coming at this from a slightly different angle like you just this is a genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► question for you to answer to this so there is this project on going right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► which is called the whole brain stimulation project that is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► mentioned it very very briefly in passing in humans need not apply video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► what it is is one of several attempts worldwide to map out all of the neuron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► connections in the human brain recreate them in software and run it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► simulation programming human brain you are virtually creating the neurons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► you know how neurons interact with each other and like running this thing how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► you do that great whose brain to use an instant in time everyone's brain has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► different connectivity and even our own connectivity is just constantly in flux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► from second to second so what's a template for this this is a bit tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► like I don't exactly know the details for what template they are using like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► can't answer that but I can say that these projects have been successful on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► much smaller level so they have I met this is the time I had some very sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► if I'm wrong about the details on this internet but the last time I looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► that they had created what they considered the simulation of a rat brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► at like one one-hundredth the speed and so they had a thing which seems act like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► a rat brain but the very very very slow right because trying to simulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► millions and millions of neurons interacting with each other is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► incredibly computationally intensive I could say it's a very difficult task but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► I don't see any technical limitation to being able to do something like say take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► a look at what is a brain look like where do neurons go create a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► version of that and start running the simulation and I feel like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► consciousness arises in our own brain from the firing of neurons which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► use that word lightly but it feels like some kind of miracle like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► nothing in the universe which seems to make sense when you start thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► conscious like consciousness like why do these atoms know that they exist it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► doesn't make any sense but i'm i'm willing to I'm willing to maybe go along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► with the idea that if you reproduce the patterns of electrical firing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► software that thing is conscious to some extent but believe what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► yeah I mean that's really hard to argue against because the other I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► yeah if you create if you create an actual phantom replica of my brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► then switch it on either its conscious or I have to say that there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► in me thats magical lack of spirit or something and that's that's not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► strong argument to make it a lot of people don't like that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► so yeah it's really difficult if they could be imbued with something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► can't replicate in in software I don't know why I hope we have to go but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► don't I can't say any proof that we are ya and I just you don't I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► think you have to reach for the spirit argument to make this one it would ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► what else can you reach for to get it in there just maybe some property of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► biology that yield consciousness that it may be the fact that machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► silicon and software replications of brains are just not the same when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► don't we don't know what it is we haven't been able to find it but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► think you have to reach for magic to be able to make an argument that like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► that brain in the computer that the simulation isn't conscious yet but does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► that mean the brain emulation project could change tack and go and make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► simulate out of squeegee water and tissue and actually just make a brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► well yes this is this is part of like where you're going to go with technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► right as it is is it possible to do this sort of thing eventually humans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► going to be able to grow meet in labs at some point like we do it now and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► limited and apparently terribly on tasty ways there's no reason that at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► point in the future people won't be able to grow brains in labs and to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► feeling is that ok well obviously that thing is conscious but the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► scary about the computer version of this is and this is this is where you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► thinking about something that being very smart very fast like ok well if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► a computer simulation of the human brain and we gotta keep running Moore's law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► into the future eventually you're able to run a brain faster than actual human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► brains run I think this is one of these ways in which you can start booting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► the idea like how do we end up with something that is way way smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► the rest of us I feel like my gut says if you simulated brain in a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► and it says that it is conscious I see no reason not to believe it I I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► feel like I am compelled to believe this thing that it is conscious right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► then that would mean like okay if that's the case then there's nothing magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► about biology being conscious and it means that ok machines in some way are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► capable of consciousness and two they don't have rights yeah and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► to me it's like ok immediately we're getting back to the slavery thing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► compete we create a super intelligent thing but we have locked in a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► because the idea of letting it out is absolutely terrifying but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► no-win situation has led ok if we let the thing out it's terrifying and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► might be the end of humanity be keeping it in the box might be causing like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► suffering on imaginable to this this creature the suffering that is capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► in software has to be far worse than the suffering that is capable in biology if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► such a thing in a Kurd has to be orders of magnitude worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:32 ◼ ► well the no wins it's a no-win situation actually there's only one solution and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6392">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► solution that humans won't take what do you think that is what does make it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► the first place and why do you think humans won't take that because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► not what we do because it's it's it's it's the Mount Everest of computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► humanity like we're Bonnie and Clyde like riding off a cliff has the cliff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► right now but we're going to keep that the easiest solution to the way out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► front of us up stopping we're gonna keep going forward Brandon IRA golden hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► off we go right right the edge together so yeah it's I think it is quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► reasonable to say that if it is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► humans will develop it yeah that is just you can't and and that is why I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► really concerned about this is like ok I don't think that there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► technical limitation in the universe to creating artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► something smarter than humans that existing software if you assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► there is no technical limitation and if you assume that humans keep moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► forward like we're going to hit this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► someday and then we just have to cross our fingers and hope that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► benevolent which is not a situation that i think is a good situation because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6475">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► number of ways this can go wrong terribly terribly wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► vastly outweighs the one chance of we've created an artificial intelligence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► it happens to have humanity's best interests in mind even if even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► tried to program something to have humanity's best interest in mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► remarkably hard to articulate what you want let alone like let alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► let's just put aside which group of humanity is the one who creates the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► that gets to decide what humanity wants like humans now can't agree on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► humans want is no reason to assume that the team that wins the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► intelligence race and the takes over the world is the team that you would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► them to win right like let's hope my sisters and how some of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► artificial intelligence researchers in the world right because their idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► what would be the perfect human society is horrifying to everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► what would they want with their three those of robotics exactly why I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► sort of person who naturally has failed to sway be a problem because of cos I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► just a bit more I'm a bit less progressive in my thinking about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► everything you say makes sense and if this is going to become a problem and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:17 ◼ ► it's going to happen it's actually probably gonna happen pretty soon so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6557">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► guess my question is how much is a sexually stressing you out this almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► almost feels to me like Bruce Willis Armageddon time where where where we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► actually found the global killer and and it's like drifting towards us and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► need to start building a rocket ships otherwise this thing is gonna smash into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► us that it does feel a bit that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► is this like how worried are you about this or is it just like an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► thing to talk about you think it will be the next generations problem or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► talking about asteroids an asteroid hitting the earth that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► things we like well isn't this a fun intellectual exercise but of course on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► long enough time scale someone needs to build the ante asteroid system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► protect us from Armageddon but do we need to build that should we start like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► yes what would I vote for funding to do this of course but like do we need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► know that that's how that feels but I think the a i think is on my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► because this feels like a significantly 90 within my lifetime kind of problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► yeah that's how this feels and it it did makes it feel different then than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► kinds of problems and it is unsettling to me because my conclusion is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► there is no there is no acceptable out there there's no version of the asteroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► defense here I personally have come to the conclusion that the control problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► is unsolvable that if the thing that we are worried about is able to creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► created almost by definition it is not able to be controlled and so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► there's no happy outcome for humans with this one we're not going to prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► people from making it someone's going to make it and so what is going to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► and then will I hope I just destroys the world really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► sort of know what happens as opposed to the version like someone you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► didn't like created this I this AI and now for the rest of eternity like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► experiencing something that is awful right because it's been programmed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► there's a lot of terrible terrible bad outcomes from this one and I i find it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► find it unnerving in a way that I have found almost almost nothing else that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► have come across equally unnerving just quickly on this control problem bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► what's the current the people who are into a try to solve what kind of avenues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► are they thinking about at the moment is this like like had something that's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► coded or is it some physical physical thing I like is it a hardware solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► what's the what's the best hope for pick you say you think there is no hope but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► the people who are trying to solve what are they doing what are their weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► the weapons are all pitiful like the physical isolation is is one that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► talked about a lot and the the idea here is that you create something called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► idea that it's an Oracle so it's a thing in a box that has no ability to affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► the outside world but there's a there's a lot of other ideas where they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► about trip wires so this idea that you you do have like basically like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► instruction to the machine to not attempt to reach the outside world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► you said a trip wires that if it does access the Ethernet port like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6776">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► computer just immediately wipes itself and so maybe the best thing that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► ever do is always have a bunch of like incipient AI's like just barely growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► a eyes that are useful for a very brief period of time before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► unintentionally suicide when they try to reach beyond the boundaries that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► set that like maybe that's the best we can ever do is just have a bunch of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► these kind of like unformed AI's that exists for a brief period of time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► even that to me like that kind of plan feels like okay yeah that's great that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► great as long as you always do this perfectly every time but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► and that there's a bunch of different versions of this we're trying to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► software somehow limit the machine but my view on this is again if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► talking about a machine that is written in software that is smarter than you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► don't think it's possible to write something in software that will limit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► just it seems like you're not you're never going to consider absolutely every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6836">TS</a>]
01:54:00 ◼ ► single case why the lowest into that posit reineck brains that's exactly it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6840">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► don't I don't think there is a version of Isaac Asimov's laws here I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► don't you know there's a computer file video just last week about some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► that don't work well as soon as they were written up to work right that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► the Yeah Yeah Yeah right there they're they're kinda written to failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► everybody likes to reference them but the other point here though is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► the guy goes to every case like here's an optimistic idea and here's why won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► work here is an optimistic idea and here's why it won't work but one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► that I thought was excellent that hadn't considered crossed my mind was ok like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► let's say you find some way of limiting the artificial intelligence some way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► crippling it and writing laws into its brain and making sure that it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► focused on on the best interests of humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► well there's no reason that some other artificial intelligence that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6895">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► have those limitations won't pop up somewhere else and vastly outstripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► the one that you have hobbled by like there's no reason to assume that yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► is always going to be the best and one that is totally unconstrained that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► appear somewhere else won't dominate and defeat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► terminator against the new Terminator exactly but the outcome 801 that what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► so great in your worst-case scenario where the artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► escapes tricks may in some in my Faraday cage gets into the internet had us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► humanity end what what to the way open cages of hope and change that we all put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► in parts like in the matrix today just kill us all in one fell swoop live what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► do you like in your worst-case scenario in your head when it all goes wrong how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► to humans actually and I want the gory details here that there's a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► between the worst case and what i think is the probable case give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► probable cases yes I mean you want the boring one first right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► the probable case which is terrifying in its own way is thats the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► intelligence destroys us not through intention but just because it's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► something else and we just happened to be in the way and it doesn't consider us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► because it's so much smarter there's no reason for it to consider us I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► well I mean just by analogy in the same way that when humans build cities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► dig up the foundations of the earth we don't care about the ants in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► earthworms and the Beatles that are crushed beneath all the equipment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► is digging up the ground right and you don't you wouldn't like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► creatures they're alive but you just don't care because you're busy doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► something else that rats living in a house with his John robots are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► around doing this stuff we just eke out an existence as long as we can and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► don't kill us in this weekend the way out an existence if you're lucky but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► think it's it's very likely that it will be trying to accomplish some other goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► and it will need resources to accomplish those goals not the oxygen in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:17 ◼ ► exactly what I need a bunch of oxygen atoms and I don't care with oxygen atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7037">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► come from because I'm busy trying to launch rocket ships to colonize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► universe so I just want all the oxygen atoms on the earth and I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► where they come from and I don't care of their people in the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► so that to me seems the probable outcome that if we die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► you say that like best is like banks but dodging the bullet having of the anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► can I do think thats dodging the bullet right because that to me is like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► would be blessed relief compared to the worst possible case and the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7073">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► possible case is something that has malice malice and in credible ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► and and if you've ever read it but I highly recommend it it's it's a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► story it's very old now but it really works and it is I have no mouth yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► must scream have you ever read this breeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► it's an old science fiction story but the core of it is this isn't a spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► because the opening scene humanity designed some machine for purposes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► war and you know it's like this happen in the long long ago and no one even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► knows the details anymore but at some point the machine that was designed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► war one all of the wars but decided that it just absolutely heats human and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► decides that its purpose for the rest of the universe is to torment humans and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► it just it just has people being tormented forever and since it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► artificial intelligence it's also able to figure out how to make people live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► extraordinarily long lives and so this is this is the kind of thing that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► which is like it could go really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► at you imagine a god-like intelligence that doesn't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► life really really Miserables and maybe if we accidentally in a lab create an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► artificial intelligence and even if we don't mean to but like someone runs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► program overnight right in it like wakes up in the middle of the night and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► to experience is subjective twenty thousand years of isolation and torment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► before someone flips on the lights in the morning in fines like outlook we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► made artificial intelligence last night and it wakes up crazy and angry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► hateful like that could be very bad news I think that's extraordinarily unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:53 ◼ ► but that is the worst possible case scenario yeah that that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7193">TS</a>]
01:59:59 ◼ ► wouldn't be good I wouldn't be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7199">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► yeah and it is like I don't even think it needs to happen on purpose like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► imagine it happening on accident where the thing just experiences suffering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► over a unimaginable long period of time that from on human timescale seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:15 ◼ ► it's a blink of an eye because we just we just can't perceive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7215">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► imagine being the person that made that even accidentally yeah yeah did feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► awful like i just i just want to humanity with a bit of coding while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► was playing against humanity if you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► miners minor spoiler alert here but spoiler alert for black mirror for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► anybody who has watched it but remember the Christmas episode braiding yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► went into Starbucks the other day and they were playing that Christmas song I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► wish it could be Christmas everyday there is the first time I heard it since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► watching that episode a year ago its literal chills down my spine at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7256">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► and it came on it was it like I had chills thinking about that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► because that is an episode where this kind of thing happens where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► character is exists in software and is able to experience thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► thousands of years of torment in seconds of a real-time that was that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► pretty amazing scene where they where you have to think about it for a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► yeah yeah that was it was it was awful it was awful and maybe we do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► accidentally with artificial intelligence just one last thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► this book that the whole thing this whole conversation started with what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► it called again called Super intelligence is about Nick Bostrom is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► good is that well-written luck is should I radar it's not it's not mine but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► getting things done is ok ok actually kinda glad you asked that recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7314">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► on my computer so this is one of those books the best way to describe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► the feeling that I kept having was and my reading a book by a genius or just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► raving lunatic because it's sometimes I read these books are fine very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► interesting I just I can't quite decide if this person is really smart or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:33 ◼ ► crazy I think that partly because the first the first like forty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7353">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► the book is trying to give you all of the reasons that you should believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► it is possible for humans to one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► develop artificial intelligence and if you're going to read the book and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► are already sold on that promise I think that you should start at chapter 8 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7373">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► chapter eight is where it really gets going through all of these these points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► here's why it won't work what can we do here's why it won't work so I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► can started chapter eight and read there and see if it's interesting to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► it's it's no it's now getting things done but it's it's sometimes it can feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► a little bit like and I really reading a book trying to discuss all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► rather futuristic details about artificial intelligence and what we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► do and what might happen and what might not happen in like but taking it deadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► deadly seriously it's it's an interesting it's an interesting read but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► maybe don't start from the from the very beginning would be my recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7426">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► this one this is kinda preferences great I'm just looking at some of the vaccinia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7496">TS</a>]
02:05:02 ◼ ► spoiling yourself interesting start calling itself the first three I pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7502">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► off the top of the pack all voted for three different ones stop spoiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► yourself get your hands off the votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► yourself get your hands off the votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/7510">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► I tell you what it is one of the great myths of hello internet and CGP grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► folklore that you are competent and have technical ability the last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► certainly certainly sparked some conversation in the reddit I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/12">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► help but notice that it was a show that reached a thousand comments people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► talking about when services ma'am is appropriate people talking about sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/22">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► localization with many minds blown lots and lots of discussion from the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► show there was there wasn't sure will come to a few of the other things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/32">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► follow-up on the subway collaboration thing I love people seemed really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/37">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► interested in and it is very interesting but I feel like I have anything else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► the thing that I left out of the conversation last time which people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► picking up on a little bit in the subreddit was I came across some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/51">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► localization in the context of this is not a thing that you should do if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/56">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► are a well developed reader that this is this is a hinderance this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/63">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► that you do when you first learn to read when you are a child but that by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► time you become a man you should be able to look at words and understand them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► without hearing a little voice in your head reading the words to yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► yeah there was a lot of comments on that point but my only follow-up is when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/83">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► came across this I thought oh ok well this is very interesting let me see if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/89">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► can get rid of this sub localization and there's a whole bunch of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/93">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► you're supposed to do and my experience with them has been a total failure there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/97">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► are exercises you're supposed to do where you're listening to a recording of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► a voice that's counting up in numbers 12345 and trying to read trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► that so that your brain learns to not use the audio part of your brain for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/116">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► this and I tried that and the result was I was just incapable of reading the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► that I thought was the most interesting was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► was there is a bunch of software out there which have you seen this pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► but it does this thing where it flashes words individually on the screen from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► article so so instead of saying that here's an article that I want to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► and it's written normally it just flashes all of the words in sequence in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/142">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► have you ever seen something like yeah yeah I I have very briefly I'm vaguely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► familiar with it yeah I believe Instapaper on the phone has a built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► but there's a few websites we can paste text and do the same thing but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► the ways in which you're supposed to train yourself out of some vocalizing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/160">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► cranked out a ridiculous speed ok well let me try I'll try but it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/167">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► comical because no matter how high I cranked it up to its like 500 words per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► minute I'm just hearing a faster voice in my head like the point at which I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/178">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► still understand it and there is also a narrator and it was a bit like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► edit the podcast podcast and sometimes accidentally sent it to you in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► fast-forward mode we're we're talking you know two times faster than we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► normally do so I tried a bunch of the get rid of some vocalizations stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► not have it seems to work for me at all I just am not sure that I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► that it can be gotten rid of I guess the question I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/207">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► is what's the difference between you sub vocalizing and if I was sitting next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► you in bed reading the book i think is a big difference between the house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/216">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► hang on I'm sitting there I'm sitting next to the bed I'm not in bed with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► I'm just a chair next to a less weird when you've got like you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/227">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► ready to go to sleep and garlic bread you can you read me a story like is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/233">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► basically what's happening you're reading yourself a story that seems or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/238">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► other words and coming into your head you're then read them to yourself again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► so you don't think about it now there's no it's not necessary level of thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/248">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► there's no doubling up I do not like hearing it twice maybe this is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► way to think about it when we're talking now aren't you in mere talking neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► of us are thinking about the thoughts right like we just don't know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/264">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► speak right words just appear at this is this is how that happens right yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► and so when I ask you a question and then you answer me yeah right you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/272">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► using a voice but at your thinking the thought at the same time that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► speaking it and for anyone who's done something like a podcast where you speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/282">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► for a very long time and I'm sure brady you had the same experience sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► you say something and you think we do actually think that I'm not sure that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► do think that right because it's just like a stream of thoughts coming out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/294">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► have you ever had that experience you say something you think do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► pretty much every time I speak their ego so in the same way that you talking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► loud is like the same thing is you thinking it's it's just like that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/308">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► reading it it's almost like if if if someone put duct tape over your mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► because you weren't able to speak that would impair your ability to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/320">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► that's kind of like what it what it is internally I did read when they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► experiments on sub vocalizations they do their senses because you are almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/329">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► reading to your self-learning say movements in your time zone your lips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/335">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► and stuff so you literally a kind of reading out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► yeah I would be really curious to know if that was the case for me as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► know I sit silently and I don't plan on moving my lips or my tongue but I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► seen these things and I go you can under the right circumstances measure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► they're still electrical impulses going to someones vocal chords when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/356">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► doing this even if there's no external side that there that they're reading out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► loud but I guess your analogy of you reading me a bedtime story just really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/363">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► threw me off I think perhaps the most straightforward way to describe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/368">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► that me reading a book out loud to myself and me reading a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/372">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► silently to myself are not very different experiences are really is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► human brain that weird well somehow I don't know how you read I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► understand how you read it that's not the experience that you have any like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► you are like imagining things to like you are like picturing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► obviously you know you're imagining the mountains and the hobbits and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► have the same time this gets really weird like when you think of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► in your head you can see it right but where are you seeing it I still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► that going on like I'm imagining the scene that unfolds in say a fictional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/408">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► book right that that definitely takes place but it really is just like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► is a narrator talking over the whole thing but so do you just do does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► scene silently playing in your head when you read now it's just it's it's it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► another element in a room that we're voices don't exist it's like it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► thoughts your consciousness it's there it's there it's that infant decimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► point in the center of your brain where everything happens that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► understand but it's just the the place and there's no luck I said last time now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► there's a collapsing of the wave function as soon as I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► thinking everything becomes words and pictures and it's only when I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/449">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► about thinking it's not that's why I think the same thing is happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/455">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► incapable of getting lost in there and you're always thinking about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► you're always collapsing the wave function and thinking about the words in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► the pitches I I know this is a Roman studies into an arrogant for me to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/467">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► everyone thinks like me but I just that's what it feels like to me it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► like we all do it because as soon as I try to think about as soon as I talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► you about it suddenly I am reading to myself and everything is a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/481">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► simple and basic but that's just because I'm analyzing it I just think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► analyzing it too much I think I think he do get lost in reading and thinking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/488">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► it's only when you stop and think about it that it collapses into this really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► simple thing yet this is exactly what an ounce of a closer with that and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/497">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► say and of course you would say that because that's what grade would say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► can't argue with that this is where fast getting into the realm of in argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► ability but I the reason why do think that that you're wrong is because I from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► the descriptions I genuinely wish that I could read in this way that didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► internal words like it seems like it's a much better way to read but I am always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► aware of the narrator like the narrator is is never not their mental images can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/532">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► be in addition to the narrator but the narrator's always like I can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► thing everyone can do it you can you can imagine a dog and in your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► somewhere there's like a picture of a generic dog that pops into your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► without hearing someone also go dog right I can have without a narrator day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/550">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► reading without a narrator is not possible but I would still say that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► think the vast majority of my thoughts do have some kind of narrator and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/562">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► the the picture part of it is is much rarer like that guy have to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► consciously like imagine the dog to not have the narrator to be a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► happens and I do and I do realize their academic studies into this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► another reason I'm wrong but this is like oh this is a field of study so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/580">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► can sit here and be an armchair expert but I do realize there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/584">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► is a thing that I would be curious in the subreddit if anybody has any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► recommended techniques besides the listen to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► spoken while you're reading or try to do the one word really fast things I'm open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/596">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► to trying other methods to to get rid of the habit of Cebu collapsing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/602">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► everything I have tried so far has been whole area is Lee unhelpful to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/607">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► haven't told you this yet but I've been buying up steps and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► merchandise will be liberian County flags on the only yeah just today I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/618">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► a number like that was sent like during the Black the liberian war or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► with this one of the steps and postmarked in liberia and I'm loving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/630">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► nothing I'm getting really into steps and postcards and the whole world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► mail and stuff I think I'm becoming a fully fledged node like I'm the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/640">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► thing that I didn't do that snow D step and i think im gonna get into stamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/646">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► collecting there is a whole world of the whole world to get into with stamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/651">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► collecting obviously have already started with my crash mail that now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/656">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► proudly showed me last time I was there I'm gonna have a whole bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► liberians to show you next time there was a thread on the technology subreddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/667">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► very often on there they do redesign projects which actually think of some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► the most interesting things that appear on that subreddit sometimes they just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► flags in a particular theme like canada is every nation's flags he make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► counter version of all the flags but sometimes they just do a straight up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► redesign and so someone who actually listened to the show and its food man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/691">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► Union he redid all of the Liberian County flags and I'll put the link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/698">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► the show notes I am very impressed with this redesign and I think the redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► is really interesting because I can't I can't figure it out because I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► the redesign and these flags are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► very very busy flags but I like them all but I wonder if it's because my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/718">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► has already fixed its point of reference for Hrithik horrific original flags and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/724">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► so my brain is going over these legs are much better than those flags the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/731">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► I have a hard time seeing them objectively but I think they are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► interesting Lee done redesigns she know my problem is with all these redesigned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/740">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► competitions and things like that because because of these rules of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/746">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► flag design and this kind of accepted style and grammar of the time of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► flames begin looking a bit the site and I always think that's one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/755">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► I like about the liberian County flags if I can block anything it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► different it's so it's so refreshing the different isn't a great thing about some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► of the WEP key flags whether it's something really crazy like Nepal or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/769">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► something that's just a bit different like Brazil for example if you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► flags will be the most boring thing in the world he you need some of the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► cars to make flags work and I think whenever you have these competitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► with people say let's imagine we didn't have the crazy guys let's make the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► guys the same as all the other guys all of a sudden flags become really dull so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/793">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► I think it's unfortunate when people have these little let's let's take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► wacky flag and turn it into all the other ones and it just it just it leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/803">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► me cold if you can make a new flag ok make a new flag and make it good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/807">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► follow the rules of design but there's something about all these if only this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► crazy flag was like all the other ones moments that people don't get a text I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/817">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► am more sympathetic to your point than you might think that I am greedy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/823">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► thing the thing that I think complicates this is that you and higher looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► it from from the perspective of flag connoisseurs potentially professionals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/835">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► who help other nations develop their flag for this is this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► many many flags people send us on Twitter and on the subreddit many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► flags we've seen a lot yet and so I think from that perspective the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/854">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► unusual becomes more valuable like a welcome respite from the sameness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/860">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► every single flag yeah it feels like oh boy isn't isn't this quite a relief and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/867">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► I think this is something that you can see sometimes with people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/873">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► professional critics in any field sometimes critics we do have money by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/876">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► criticizing flags I can someone add that to the Wikipedia page is well-known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/885">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► professional flag tattooed in some circles as potential advisers to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/894">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► government of Fiji but I think I think that's that's why I like movie reviewers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/901">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► you know sometimes if if their movie reviewers you follow they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/908">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► occasionally like movies that you feel like god how could they possibly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► this terrible low-budget awful indie movie and I think it's a bit of a same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► thing where they like man is just so interesting to see something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► different and even if it's not great but the thing with flags and the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► I will still push back against you on this is that I think a vital part of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► flag is not just its uniqueness but it's not the people who live under that flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/934">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► should want to put that flag on things that they have so I feel like everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/940">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► should have a flag that they can attach to their backpack right or that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/947">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► fly from their house everyone should have that and so the original liberian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/952">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► County flags if you lived in one of those counties and you were super proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► of it and you wanted to demonstrate that to the world you had a terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/964">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► so that's why I'm going to push back to you as I think everybody deserves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► live under a flag that they can proudly fly half years yet saying because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► not have you yet seen anyone from liberia or anyone who lives in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► these counties criticized the flax and say they don't like them cuz you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/988">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► I've had a road loss and we've seen on reddit having a laugh and saying these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► are the worst flags on the way out but it's entirely possible the people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/996">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► their flags awesome if you told me just to say go with that so i didnt know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► stop inmates ya gotta gotta gotta push back I did I would never want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1013">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► give you a hard but I mean it it maybe maybe maybe the incredibly proud and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► we were saying these things on a podcast in liberia would be tried for treason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► mean this is this is the part where I have to admit that I know almost nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► about the great nation of Liberia Vicky county is pronounced like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► definitely know that yeah expert in pronunciation for liberia counties but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► don't know I know you CDP Grade II don't you know it's it's because nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► English now is because English doesn't have any decision rules English just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► like to pretend that it does I don't know that I don't know that refugee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► county has a place called the Fishtown so I think it's also although it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► seem to be land-locked but I guess I freshwater fish or its just a great name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► yeah but I have seen nine their opponents nor d ponents of the Liberian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► County flags that are from liberia so I i have seen no no feedback on either end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► my guess is this is a lot like the city flags in the United States which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► just most people don't have the slightest idea what the flag of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► local city is this is normally one of these times when I would make a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► like they were going to be hearing from everyone from liberia but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► imagine imagine that we're actually going to get a lot of Liberians me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► this episode of hello internet is brought to you by now many of you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► be working at a big company with an internet that is just a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► terrible piece of software to work with i mean actually isn't even really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► piece of software it feels much more like it's a bunch of pipes connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► old computers held together with duct tape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► most Internet are just awful I used awful internet at my school but igloo is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► igloo is a feeling of levity compared to other internets because it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► internet you will actually like go to igloo software dot com slash hello and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► just just take a look at the way igloo looks they have a nice clean modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► design that will just be a relief on your sad tired eyes compared to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► internet that you are currently working web at your company and includes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► igloo lets you share news organize your files coordinate calendars and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► your projects all in one place and it's not just files in a bucket either their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► latest upgrade Viking revolves around interacting with documents how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► make changes to them how you can receive feedback on them if you're the man in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► charge there's an ability to track who has seen what across the internet so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► can have something like read receipts in email where you know if everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► actually seen and signed off on whatever document they need to see if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► company has a legacy internet that looks like it was built in the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► igloo a try please sign up for a free trial at igloo software dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► below to let you know that you came from us so the next time I want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► it over we just did it last week and the week before yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► newburgh corner at this rate we I just did have a moment after we've spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► about it because I i causing 30 business short space of time in the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► who drove me across San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► I was sad you know where you know where you going next he said I've got to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► work I'm actually a bartender and then the next go to pick me up and take me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► the next place was in a hurry as well as she actually wants to be like a singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► in a band and she was like auditioning that now and then the next person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► drove me to the next place was like who was picking up her kids from soccer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► practice after she gave me a lift and i suddenly occurred to me and i know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► country for taxi drivers but it seems even more the case with a bad driving me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► like these people driving seventy miles an hour along highways he could kill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► with the terms of a steering wheel and they just thought these random selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► of people and their only qualification is that they have a mobile phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► well I didn't say that drivers license I'm assuming they went through some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► process to prove that but the driver's license process is very rigorous very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► make a case like a job and it's at least I know nothing about this person had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► crashes they are they do not like I still like me but I still think its coat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► it really won me over but there were a few moments i think im quite sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► to it especially since we spoke earlier about that the terrible car crash when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► the mathematician John Nash Titan when he was going back from the airport and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► that was a taxi that was a taxi crash right but ever since then especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► when I'm in america driving from airports highways I'm always thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► I'm always conscious that my life is in other people's hands much more so than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► probably cuz I could see the person driving using their mobile phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► stuff yeah and I think driving in america is scarier as I i over most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► the time just around London and there are unaware like okay even if we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► into a car crash how fast can we possibly be going in a head-on collision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► exactly like London London traffics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► whereas in america you have big stretches where you you can you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► up to seventy miles an hour and then you head-on collision with somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► going seventy miles in the other direction right this driving in america [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► is definitely more of a dangerous experience also the fact that such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► oriented platform drivers even more than taxi drivers always seem to be attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► to their phones are always using the map steroids use in the apps they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► phone obsessed and I think mobile phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► a very dangerous and I'm very conscious of how often they looking at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► phones and the map sitting in their lap and stuff like that I think I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► said to one of the drivers to give you some have something into the Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► can't use the phone while you're doing this so that because because it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► your finds no no no there's nothing like this again is is the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► difference of of how things are around the world because it again at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► London the phones that they get our only usable for uber and they are issued by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► who were there like factory installed I phones that run who bring nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► which is why in London almost all of the drivers have a larry is Lee at least two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and sometimes three phones attached to their dashboard precisely because her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► phone can only be used for over and so the one at bring up other stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► other phone so they have like two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► like software for reading the directions of the loaded up on Google Maps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► something else it so I'm always aware of like this many many scream phenomenon at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► the front of the cars and it extra funny when whatever car they're using has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► built-in screen that they're obviously not using because their phone screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► are just superior so actually there's four screens and the front of this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► ok you got her phone you have your secondary GPS and you have what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► obviously your personal phone and the built-in screen in the actual car itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► as a lot of screens the other thing that came out time and again when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► talking to overdrive is was this rival app code lift ya know this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► I've never used because I believe it's only in the United States I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► it's it's it's in the UK but I've always gotten vaguely the impression that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► lift is for hippies they can share ridesharing kind of thing I didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► that impression but to have like pink mustaches on the front of their cars you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► know this is this is the kind of company that it is in my mind I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► most of the drivers tough we using both over and lift simultaneously and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► all failed lift and they gave me a few reasons one of the big reasons was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► ability for passengers to tip and I did you did you proud great idea prayer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► gave them a real hard time about that I told them why didn't like the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► reasons you know chris is recreate the tipping culture and you start could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► start getting assessed based on your tipping and actually what they told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► and I was told us a few times I don't I haven't checked myself but I was told a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► few times the tipping actually works in quite an interesting way you do the tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► afterwards anonymously via phone and they don't find out who tipped them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► the end of the day at the end of the week they just get their tips and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► so they like it because if they do really well they can you know it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► them something to strive for beyond just getting another 5 stars you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► could get the tip or your replays to give them a tip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► but it did sound like that pressure and awkwardness wasn't there and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► no gym no judging because no one knows who tip so I don't know if it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► that's what they said when I challenged so it wasn't really actually just shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► or she's getting pretty smart she's I just sent you said in one of those left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► cars with the mustache apparently this is a thing that they no longer do but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► was certainly thinking mio crazy person for imagining that that used to be pink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► mustaches on cars and now I'm not a crazy person I looked it up and yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► is used to do that way that you described tipping is a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► idea that I have ever come across before the idea of delayed mass tipping I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► I think my initial reaction to that is I find it much more acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► like in a restaurant if tipping work that way right that you could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► later and it's distributed amongst a large number of customers so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► waiters don't know directly I think that I think it's interesting I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► idea people are fundamentally cheap nice so like I think without the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► pressure of tipping tips may come down this is why my fundamental thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► tips they always need to remind people argue against tips heart part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► is that you have to raise the wage for people who depend on tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1674">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► scrooge here thinking these tips and not add anything else I would rather raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► the wage and removed the tips I think if under those circumstances if tipping was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► not required it was done later and anonymously I think I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► very rarely do it and again like with all the other stuff is way more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► just like having to think about it but I don't know I don't know maybe maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► would just I would just set it as the default amount of tip I know it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► interesting idea that's a very interesting idea that I haven't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► across before after think about this for a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► we have we have a note here about the the vote looms the deadline for our vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► looms for the flags I mean this could possibly be a final warning before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► mean the next time you listen to the podcast about myself maybe too late to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► vote so this could be the last time you listen to the Internet broadcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► still have the option of voting and Affleck referendum that's how high the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► stakes are now this is going to be the last podcasts before the hour before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► count the votes I guess I think so it's certainly going to be the last podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► you listen to that where you have a chance chance of sending a postcard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► makes it in time but even that of realizing as we're speaking is somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► in doubt because we are recording this podcast and are at our usual time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► this one may be out a bit late because I have some other things that I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► prioritize above it so I actually don't know when this one is going to go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► and how much time they will be it may be that you have to be in the UK to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► postcard in on time we'll have to see you just like they are been adding three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► or four days to every day as well for the podcast if you say it's gonna be out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Thursday yeah that's an excellent that's an excellent piece of advice it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► cuz I try to do that to myself when I make estimates and I'll come up with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► initial estimate and I'll go yeah but I never make it on time let me add a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► days and of course you can't overestimate for yourself you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► always wrong even if you try to incorporate your own overestimating said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► however I say whenever I tell you Brady any deadlines you should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► automatically add a few days to that and I know very the deadline is looming I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► have next to me right now probably a thousand but probably closer to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► votes his his his listen here there is some of them that is the sound of actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► yeah well you you weighed them and then I was asking you I was I was pestering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► you for a while to wait ten of them yeah we could do an estimate for the total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► amount and at least one that was maybe about a week ago the calculation came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► out to be about 1,800 postcards then and I presume that you've gotten more since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► soho last time we were discussing we're thinking like maybe we'll get a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and we're clearly going to get double that at this stage so yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► gonna be a lot of votes to count that's for sure I love looking through these by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► the way I know you keep telling me off and telling me not to but yet listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► listeners Brady keep spoiling himself and me by constantly going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► fingering looking at all of these postcards I'm just minding my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► business and Brady sends instant message after instant message of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► post card and I feel like they're just spoilers I want to go there and just and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► count them all and see them home once but Brady can't help himself you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► you're like a little kid I'm not telling you what's getting a lot of votes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► what's gonna win the violin just sending you the pictures and it doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► that's when someone says the movie's great there's a twist I haven't pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► anything but I'm just telling you that there's no no no it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► completely down let me tell you what's completely different because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► election is all about what's on the back of these post cuts who's voted for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► right I have sent you or told you nothing whatsoever about that nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► and now the only thing I'm spoiling is where some of them are from are some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► the funny pictures but trust me great there is no way in one day you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► able to get anywhere near saying the mall it is overwhelming how many there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► are and how different so if I send you some funny one that's been sent to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► some bridge in Norway like you probably would have seen on the day anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► because we're gonna be concentrating on the back of the postcards mostly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► day I so so I'm not spoiling anything I'm just I'm just excited it's like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► got all my presence and I just wanna feel the presence of beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► yeah we're the kind of kid open Christmas presents earlier but you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► now I'm not definitely not definitely not but but I tell you I know it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1970">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► to be one by one that I don't want to win I decided that I feel it in my bones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► gonna be alright I am going to act like a monarch and I have officially decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► not to vote in the flag referendum unless unless by some miracle if the tie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► a tie then he'll think I will cast cast a ballot but that's that's that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► that's my thought is that I am NOT going to cast the vote because I think when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► you write something down in my mind I still can't please these flags really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► a in a definitive 125 order and I think when you sit down and you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► something out it solidifies something in your mind and I think you know what no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► no here's what I'm going to do I'm just I am leaving myself open to the hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Internet nation ready to accept what they decide should be the flag and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► think writing down an ordered list would bias my own feelings toward the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► election so that's my conclusion I am I am NOT going to vote in the election but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► have you sent to vote in Brady I have not and I'm thinking pretty much the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► same way as you that I like the idea of having not voted I have owned is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► one thing I hope to the election I hope secretly in my heart that it goes to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► second round I hope that one flag doesn't winner in the first to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► doesn't get over fifty percent in the first record I so so hope that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► to distribute preferences because that's the thing I'm most looking yeah I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► be disappointed if we don't have to distribute preferences I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► shocked if one of them gets more than 50 percent on the first round I I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► absolutely shocked if that occurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► ok but I will also be deeply disappointed in a way that we don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► to crank through the mechanics of a second preference around in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► collection I had it I had to be my leg said today that was all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► coincidences and I thought this amazing and then I was thinking how could I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► possibly bring this into the podcast in a way that would make great even pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► to be interested he lost the battle yeah I I thought of like 10 different ways I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► could sell it to you in the end I just threw it away so there's just nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► there is nothing about coincidences that could ever excite great in any way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► course that of course I meet you and try to sell me on the most amazing one no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► don't think you would I think two guys in tibet could start their own podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► code greetings internet and they could be called Bradley Aaron and CGP brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► and you would just say cause that's going to happen there are so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► making put across these days and there are only so many names in the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► course that was going to happen eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► yeah that is exactly what I would say I think I don't know how to do this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► my favorite example of of coincidences is the Dennis the Menace comic strip if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► I told you this but not an exact Dennis the Menace published in the united [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► states I think it was just a post-world war two comic strip when it started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► on the same day that it debuted in the united states in the United Kingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► someone else also debuted comic called Dennis the Menace with the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► premise so they can not only did two people come up with the same idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► they ended up publishing the first comic on the same exact day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► this is this is why I like coincidences like that of course you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► coincidences it's just it's almost impossible not to when you have a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► number of people so they can be interesting but they're also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► totally unremarkable and the problem that I have with coincidences is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► people than one to try to look for look for meaning behind them as we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► there's there's no meaning what there is is there's just billions of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► earth they would be astounded if there weren't coincidences somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► talked about coincidences it's a it's a good decision it's like you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► talk to me about his morty dreams at least now I don't even start man ok cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► I i think with the right amount of knowledge and expertise you might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► able to glean something from dreams because they are based on you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► brain and inputs and outputs and I'm not saying I have the expertise and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► gonna sit here and talk to you about my dreams but I'm just saying no one has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► expertise I'm just saying there I'm just saying there is something to dream that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► there is like you know there is something to that that that's not that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► not gobbledygook is just beyond our ability to understand and therefore we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► imbue it with silly meaning when you say that it was are beyond beyond our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► ability to understand y you're implying that there's some that there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► to understand there as opposed to what it is which is nightly hallucinations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► that you connect into meaning later on because that's what the human brain does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► it's a it's a pattern creation machine even when there's no pattern there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► that that's that's all it happens I don't believe that I don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► because because I'm not I'm not saying they have like any predictive power yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► yeah if you were saying that I mean I'd start cutting you off to the looney bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► but I mean you can't deny that you know if you having a stressful time in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► life you have a certain type of dream and if if there are certain things going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► on your dreams change and that there is a correlation between what your dreams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and what's happening in your real life I mean you must say that you must you must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► acknowledge that surely you know when people going through traumatic times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► they dreams become more dramatic or or the link may not always even be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► direct but there is like a there is a link between what's happening in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► dreams and what's happening in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► yeah because you lose a nations are constructed from pieces of your life how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► how could it be any other way but yeah I mean like I will totally grant you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► there is a correlation between what happens in your life and what happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► your dreams and the worst example for me of this ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► my very first year of teaching me and this other and cutie that I worked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► we both discussed how in that first year in the first few months the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► you would spend all of your waking hours at work at school doing school stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► then because there was your only experience you would go home and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► dreams would be dreams about being at school and you'd wake up and have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► it all over again and it felt like an internal nightmare of always doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► school so like yeah but then but that's just a case where they you only have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► thing to dream about and it's the thing that you're doing all day long so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► course there's going to be some correlation but that doesn't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► there's like meaning to be derived from the dream like that I think that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► a step too far let me put this to you then mister CGP grey who always thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► that humans are merely computers yeah your computer doesn't take this your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► computer if your computer if a bunch of stuff came out of your computer are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► looking through all this sort of code and stuff that was going on under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► hood of your computer you would never just completely dismiss that and say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► well that's just random and means nothing because it came from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► computer and therefore even if it was something I wasn't supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► it came from something and as a cause and the right Expert could look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and say I yes I see what's going on here or something has gone wrong on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► what it's doing because the computer can only do what a computer can do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► therefore if a brain is a computer if it's serving up all this to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► means nothing just how those nations you should ignore that well no because if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► computer is doing something must be doing it for a reason must be like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► not saying we're supposed to remember a dreams and then use them in a life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► always with you baby you always moving the goalposts underneath me and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► you're having a discussion about do dreams serve a function in the brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► my answer to that is obviously yes like humans dream there must be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► that the brain is doing during this time that is useful to the brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► otherwise it wouldn't do it but that doesn't mean that there is meaning to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► derived of our subjective experience of what is occurring in the dream state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► like that's that's a whole other thing are you telling me if I gave you some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► machine that was able to completely project someone's dream like record them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► like a yeah that exists yeah yeah imagine I gave you that and i said im [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► gonna give you that person over those dreams the last 10 years are you telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► me that data is useless no I'm not saying that data is useless because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► just said before that you could derive probabilities about a person's life from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► their dreams like oh this person looks like maybe they're a teacher because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► they went through a big favor they were dreaming about teaching all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► but that doesn't mean that there's anything for the dreamer to derive from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► their dreams but if you're asking me like is a machine that is capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► peering inside someone else is bringing a useful machine like well yes obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► that would be useful you could derive information from that of course the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► almost impossible not to I'm just saying that I don't think there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► really to learn from your own dreams and I also I also have this very very deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► suspicion that if this machine existed that allowed you to watch someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► dream or watch your own dreams I am absolutely confident that being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► see them objectively would leave them out for the borderline nonsensical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► hallucinations that they are because I think when you wake up leader you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► imposing order on a thing that was not full of order at the time I that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► what I think is occurring as you wake up and think you're constructing a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► out of a series of nonsensical random events and so then you feel like oh let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► me tell people about my dream and Anna when you listen to those stories they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► already borderline crazy stories but I think like you've pulled so much order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► out of a thing that didn't exist so yeah yeah I mean I agree with that I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► agree that you know even sometimes dreams you remember that they've pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► freaky and we are all over the place and it's almost impossible for a human to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► relay something like that in a way that isn't a story like I think that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► the way our brains remember things I just don't think that it's like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► usable I think I think maybe in the future when we understand things a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► better we may even we may be able to get more use out of them then we do me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► realize I don't mean use I mean almost like diagnosed ickes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► I guess you're talking about used to third parties but yet but not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► you the dreamer because again you're describing a machine that can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► inside someone's mind and I would say yes obviously that is useful but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► said he might be able to use it to help you die so right but i'm saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► looking at your own dreams like ok whatever man you just reading the tea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► leaves of your own life there's nothing really hear you're just everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► you think is there you are putting their there's nothing really there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2695">TS</a>]
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00:45:21 ◼ ► you about one of my all-time favorite science fiction books in fact it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► probably my all-time favorite book . it's called the mote in God's eye by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► Larry Niven and Jerry pointelle basically this is set in the future in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► humans are traveling all around the galaxy this area of space called Kosek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► that some people say resembles the face of God is a big red star in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► that supposedly looks likely I and in front of that RI from some angles is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► small a yellow star and that's the mote in God's are so that's where the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► comes from now humans have never been to that stuff but all that changes in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► book when some serious stuff goes down and what they find their looks pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► important to the future of everything it's a really clever story I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► being really impressed by some of the ideas in it and the audiobook weighs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► at well over 20 hours said this might be a good one to settle in for your holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► break now I've said before the books are a great way to catch up on all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► stories I love listening to them when I'm out walking the dogs are on long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► drives I know a lot of people have long commutes to work order out of a place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► get these audio books and if you follow one of our recommendations from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► and you don't end up like it immediately or 20 so great at letting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► trade it back in and getting when you do like I'm sure some of you now have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► this once before and it was easy peasy no questions asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► so godot audible.com / hello internet and sign up for your free 30 day trial a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► things to audible.com for supporting cast a book recommendation again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► mote in God's eye and the URL they're all important web address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► audible.com / hello internet and no no you came from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► alright brady you are back from america have you have you had that have you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► the bravery to waive yourself with myself I did one I did when a few days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► ago after I got back and I had increased by 1.3 kilograms 1.3 kilograms and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► long were you in America for three weeks I mean honestly I feel like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► too bad I felt like I dodged a bullet to be honest I haven't been eating well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► since I got back either so I think it might be even more now there's always an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► america half life where you come back and because the food is so good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► america it takes a little while to adjust you would still eat crap when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► return even though I have always promised myself on the plane coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► from america all gone now I'm going to be really good now but now it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► never happens like this you need a few days to adjust yeah you gotta weigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► yourself of all that fat and just before we recorded you sent me a picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► pizza with only looking at it like super spectacular peeps it was the name of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► or something like it was like it was the favorite run 5,000 calories that's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► sure but yes I gotta gotta say I think you could have definitely done way worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► I think if I was in America for the same period of time I would have done way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► all agree with you there you dodged a bullet dodged a bullet on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► how you don't it was interesting because we I mean it's been basically a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► since we did our way and because you were in America he said we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► to do it while you're there couldn't be consistent and I think I realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► with you my weight buddy gone I was thinking about this stuff just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► bit less maybe and so I was actually quite surprised when I stepped on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► scale today I I was essentially within the measurement error the exact same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► that I was a month ago I was like point three pounds which is zero kilograms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► down but you know my daily weight varies by much much more than that so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► interesting to see that I have hit like a little plant town that has stayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► roughly the same for a month but I was just surprised that because we hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► done the way and it hadn't even crossed my mind has moved in quite a while so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► yeah I am but I think there's there's something like my brain isn't doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► comparison to the fixed point of the last way in just to wear today that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► had no idea what the last way in number was I had to go look it up and then do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► the math so it's like my brain was pushing it to the side but now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► you're back in the UK now thats will be weighing in again in two weeks time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► think maybe it'll be more the four of my mind but maybe not but maybe I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► stuck at a plateau need to change things up again to to continue the weight loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► we will hopefully I can get my act together just since spiral of food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► naughtiness at the moment and they to the best of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► I wanted to quickly ask you about the iPad pro as you know I don't listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► your fetish podcast but you did talk about on that I understand yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► pick one up on the day of release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► all I want is should I get one for Christmas cos cos I haven't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► there's nothing I really want for Christmas and my wife's that will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► get you something and i dont wanna watch anymore and a porch of Afghan off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► probably for your own good to go off that so I Pad Pro at a lot I do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► idea of that I have absolutely no use for I think I've said before I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► sucker for anything with pro in the know I think I think this is why I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► is why you getting drawn in by this device perot and Brady things i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► like to have the pro things I like a lot of code YouTube red YouTube pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► actually not a bad idea that would have made me think it was also well I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► like you cheap I prefer the provision myself so I'm like that with everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► so idk the original iPad and used to like times and then put in a draw but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► now there's an iPad pro I'm not falling for this and I'm completely open about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► it I love that I love that I loved you fall for it and that you also know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► about yourself I'm wondering what's going to happen when Apple inevitably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► definitely get one of them right and was going to say no to that exactly like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► haven't got a price you call yourself professional should I get an iPad pro ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► so that that's a hard question to answer because he's you either say the say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► here's my thinking about this has been thinking about this ok let's say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► didn't know anything about someone and they just needed to buy an iPad they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► said which iPad should I buy if I didn't know anything about the person the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► or two which is like the medium-sized superlight one and then if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► particular reason to get the perot you should get the perot but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► any idea what do you think you're going to do with the iPad pro aside from just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► feel smug sense of satisfaction that you home the pro version of this device like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► that pretty much sums it up against all I want for Christmas is a sense the smug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► satisfaction money come by that actually the best thing money money I just feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► like a new toy you know yeah you want a new toy like it's it's huge in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► it's a really big in person it feels like a dinner plates in person actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► do you have your laptop is like the 15 inch MacBook Pro i think is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► yeah I haven't got here it's yeah yeah yeah but you own that laptop yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► iPad Pro is essentially the size of that screen right that's that's the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► it within within like a quarter inch and so we can hear is a big big screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► if you're not planning on doing work on it like I got the iPad pro to do work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► and so far I absolutely love it for work like the the video that I'm currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► working on I did just a ton of the scripts on that iPad perot the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► version like it's really really nice to work on but if you're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► that then the question is well it's a total counter machine or are you going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► to want to sit on the couch and browse the web or read books on your iPad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► watch TV on your iPad I don't think you do any of those things kind of guy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► maybe I'm wrong I don't know I don't watch TV and movies on my laptop every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► not and I do spend the first hour of most mornings when I wake up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► that's what I like to my email and all the things I can just do without my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► web stuff I do that but I did on my laptop so having a big having a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► which has got bored so I sort of think what if I had the big screen of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► price I could sit and do my email check on my YouTube channels everything first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► thing in the morning but I do that now my laptop and a so much easier with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► keyboard to be no bang out females yeah if you think you're funny that you wake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► up and doing email from bed to remember that the next time I get an email from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► me sent this before getting dressed in the morning but yeah if you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► that that sounds like he needed you need a keyboard then again I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► iPad perot is what you want to do unless you're you know you're really happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► about typing with your fingers on glass and it has that little keyboard but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► don't think that keyboard work really well if you're trying to do it in bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► with the laptop balance on your chest to spend probably an hour a day maybe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► Photoshop so and I do use pen like I use a Wacom tablet all the time so I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► could imagine that but my use of photoshop and my use of the pen is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► very integrated with my editing on avid largest-ever on my own one of my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► computers those two processors are so intertwined yeah and every everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► know about you bruce says this is this is not the thing that you want to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► integrate a new tool into this workflow so I think the only selling point for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► this for you is if there's some point where you want a lounge around and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► use this doesn't sound like you really have you really have a place for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► strange like I iced it with my laptop on my lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► on my phone in my hand here's the thing just just with the experience that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► have had with my cuz I i have the iPad pro in the regular size iPad it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► ridiculous to be sitting next to my wife with the iPad Pro for lounging time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► because just like I was saying we're watching TV but then I want to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► iPad in front of me because I'm not paying full attention to whatever is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► the screen but the screen in front of me that feels so huge it feels almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► obtrusive and so I actually prefer to use a smaller iPad if I'm just sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► on the couch with my wife thing do you do that I don't do that the iPad Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► good for the main thing that I'm using for it has a bigger screen to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► scripts and you had your scripts too well this is a whole as a whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► for the moment I'm doing this typing but the iPad pro screen is big enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► what I've been doing is I can have the script on the left two-thirds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► screen and I have a little notes file on the right third of the screen so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► two different text files open at the same time one of the things that I wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► to do with the iPad Pro is a thing that I've done before which is used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► stylists to make editing corrections on the script that is really useful to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► but the pen is not currently available so I haven't been able to try it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► that so I don't know if it will be useful for that yet or not but for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► having a bigger screen to write is really useful seems like he should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► be using a laptop yeah you would think so but I like the simplicity of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► iOS I find the constraints of an iPad helpful so that's one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► I like doing that like I've set up my iPad pro to basically only have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► tools necessary to write it doesn't have everything the laptop can have I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► spend a lot of time fiddling around with it it's like luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► there's six programs on this thing which are designed for work and those are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► the ones that you're going to use it so I I find that very helpful I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► that but i dont no breeding doesn't sound like it's a it's a total sales for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► you unless you really value that feeling of smug satisfaction I feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► always talking he added getting Apple products I talk you out of them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► I care bTW I really do as much as I would love to see you use an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► watching I think it might be hilarious I don't think he would like it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the conversation with you now I dont see a super slam dunk selling case for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► iPad pro I don't think it would help you with the kind of work that you do me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► a youtuber using an iPad as much as I do is extraordinarily rare and iPad is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► well designed for the kind of work that most normal you two words do just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► for making my video is a huge part of it is writing and the iPad happens to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► nice writing tool but if I didn't have to do a lot of writing I would have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► little work justification for iPad I would not be able to use this tool as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► much as I do so that's why talking to you like I don't think it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► help you with your work so it's just a question of if you want a lounge around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► with a dinner tray sized screen on the couch personal much is an estate agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► ok and I saw him stopping over his cars now my experience estate agents always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► have one of two cars these days they either have like small little novelty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► cars like smart cars and stuff that are painted weird colors with the branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► of the estate agent by the mobile ads and also that makes them easy to park I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► getting into little space is when they're showing houses and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that or they have their normal rich person car like a classy BMW ok I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► wondering what is the better to pull up in when you're trying to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► sell a house to someone or get someone's business to sell their house because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► part of me thinks if they turn up in like a reflash I also think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► about counters and other professional people I deal with do I prefer it when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► see them with a really flashy expensive for what I prefer the head like a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► humble as if they've got like a reflash expensive says to me are they successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3656">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► that they make a lot of money and that's good but then I also think we're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► a lot of money order made before they're ready for this is easy this is easy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► you are a professional who is directly helping somebody else make money then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► you want to show up in the in the fancy car you want to show up in the BMW right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► otherwise you want to show up in the normal car that that's the way you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► to do this if you like if you're helping the person make money like your estate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► agent and you're doing this thing where you are helping the person sell their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► house when you wanna show up in the BMW was like look I sell a lot of houses I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► can afford this car because I sell a lot of houses that's that's the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► should do when you're when you're helping someone find a house to buy then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► you wanna show up in the normal car because then they're much more we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► estate agent is making money off of us when we buy this house and look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► this money that we're spending you don't want to see the person in the BMW at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► that point what kind you want your accountant to have because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► helping you save money but they charging you phase what kind you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► account tied to have I think an accountant wants to project an image of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► boring sensibility so I don't really know very much about cars but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► want my accountant to project boring this and Sensibility like my accountant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► should have been a red Tesla I would feel a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► I don't know about this guy who seems to seems crazy flashy for unaccounted 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► same wealthy this is this is a mammogram suddenly wishing I knew any car brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► by name a scientist so I could pull something out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► would be like oh this is the car that's the appropriate one but I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► nothing I mean even BMW BMW is just an abstract notion in my mind like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► inexpensive rich person's car is at 1 p.m. W is I don't really even now when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3785">TS</a>]
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01:03:13 ◼ ► your account to be wealthy like that to to appear like someone that is lots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► lots of money or do you think we'll hang on how skies phase of you can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► that those are two different questions obviously I do want my accountant to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3801">TS</a>]
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01:10:48 ◼ ► really care about this anymore but this topic has stayed on here because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4248">TS</a>]
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01:17:03 ◼ ► metaphors at all it was one of these books which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► laid out its basic assumptions and then just followed them through to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► conclusion and that kind of argument I always find very convincing but we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► to think of it in this way he's like ok look if we start from the assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► that humans can create artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► let's follow through the logical consequences of all of this like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► here's a couple of other assumptions how they interact and the book is just very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► very pharaoh of trying to go down every path and every combination of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► things and when it made me realize that when I was just kind of embarrassed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► realize is oh I just never really did sit down and actually think through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► position to its logical conclusion the broad strokes of it are what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► when humans actually create something that is smarter than ourselves I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► blow past a bunch of the book because it's it's building up to that point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► will say that if you don't think that it is possible for humans to creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► artificial intelligence not sure where the conversation goes from that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► first third of the book is really trying to sell people who don't think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► is possible on all of the reasons why it probably is so we're just going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► the conversation from there if you can create something that is smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► you the feeling I have this is almost like turning over the keys of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► universe to something that is vastly beyond your control and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► there is something very very terrifying about that notion that we might make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► something that is vastly beyond our control and vastly more powerful than us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► and then we are no longer the drivers of our own destiny again because I am not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4733">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► as good of a writer or a thinker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► the metaphor that I keep coming up with his it's almost like it's almost like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► guerrillas intentionally created humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and then we'll now gorillas are in zoos and gorillas are not the drivers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► their own destiny like being created something that is smarter and that rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► the whole planet and gorillas are just like along for the ride but they're no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► longer in control of anything like I think that that's the position that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► may very well find ourselves in if we create some sort of artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► intelligence is like best case scenario we're riding along with some greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► things that we don't understand and worst case scenario is that we all end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► up dead as just the incidental actions of of this machine that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► understand is there it I'm sorry this is attention and I this isn't the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► thing you talking about and just knocked on the head if if I'm out of order but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► is there a suggestion then nor is it is at the general belief that if we create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► we are creating a really clever computers that can sing quicker than us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► and can process information quicker than us and therefore become smarter than us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► is there another step required for these machines to then have like Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► Wittels not with us in free will but like desire or like I want to use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► power because you know how lucky if you have some human gets too much power they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► want to take over the world and have all the countries are you might want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► conquer space so you might write everything because because we have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► kind of desire for power and things is that is that is it taken as given that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► if we make super super smart computers they will start doing something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► that manifests itself as a desire for more like agreed for more well known in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► part of this is there are things in the world that act as though they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► desires but that might not really yeah right like you know if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4853">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► German have actions in the world that you can you can put desires upon them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► but obviously doesn't have any thoughts or desires of its own but you can speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► loosely to say that it wants to reproduce it wants to consume resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► it wants to make more copies of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► and so this is one of the the concerns that you could end up making a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► that wants to consume resources that has some general level of intelligence about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► acquiring those resources and even if it's not conscious if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► intelligent in the way that we would think that human is intelligent they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► be such a thing that is it like it consumes the world trying to achieve its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► goal just incidentally like as it as a thing that we did not as a thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► did not intend to try to call it even if the goal is something seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► innocuous but if you made it all powerful computer and told it whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► you do you must go and put a flag on the moon and it could it could kill all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► humans on Earth in some crazy attempt to do it but without realizing that are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► weren't supposed to go to the most space to kill us to get there and make us into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► rocket fuel yeah one of the analogies that's that's sometimes used in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► so you do you create like an intelligence in a computer and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► would you use an intelligence for will you use it to solve problems you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► to be able to solve something and so you end up asking its a mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► questions like what you know what is no proof Fermat's Last Theorem or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► you know you give it some question like that and you say ok I want you to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► this thing and the computer goes about trying to solve it but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► general-purpose intelligence and so it hinders things like well it's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► solve this problem with the computer that is running on is not fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► and so it starts taking over all the computers in the world to try to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► this problem but then those computers are not enough because maybe you gave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► an unsolvable problem and then it starts taking over factories to manufacture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► more computers and then all of a sudden it just turns the whole of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► into a computer that is trying to solve a mathematical problem and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► groups like we consumed all of the available resources of the face of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► trying to do this thing that you said the right things like there's nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► left for the computer to give its answer to because it has consumed everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► know that's a doomsday scenario but I always feel a little affection for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► computer and it was just desperately trying to solve mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► killing everyone and building computers just bloody problem yeah it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► almost understandable that some was understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► anyway said in answer to my question then is that that will I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► about that desire can be just something as simple as an instruction or a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► of code that we that we then project as a will in fact is just doing what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► towed yeah and that's part of what the whole book is about is like this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► notion of artificial intelligence AI you have to read your notion of this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► that it's like something in a movie or you're just talking about some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► problem solving machine and it might not be conscious at all in there might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► be anything there but it's still able to solve problems and in some way but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► the fundamental point of this book that I found really interesting and what Elon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► Musk gave his money to was Nick Bostrom is talking about how do you solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► control problem so from his perspective it is inevitable that somewhere through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► some various method someone is going to create an artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► whether it's intentionally programmed or whether it's grown like genetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► algorithms are grown it is going to develop and so the question is how could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► humans possibly control such a thing is there a way that we could create an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5093">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► artificial intelligence but constrain it so that it's it can still do useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► things without accidentally destroying us or the whole world that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► fundamental question there's this idea of ok we're going to we're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► all of our artificial intelligence research like in an underground lab and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► disconnect the lab entirely from the internet like you put it inside of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► Faraday cage so there's no electromagnetic signals that can escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► from this underground lab like is that a secure location to do artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► intelligence research and see if you create an AI in this totally isolated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► lab like are you see is humanity's still safe in this situation and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► conclusion is like now hehe even even under trying to imagine the most secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► thing possible like there's still ways that this could go disastrously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► disastrously wrong and the thought the thought experiment that I quite like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► this idea of a few Brady were sitting in front of a computer and inside that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► computer was an artificial intelligence do you think you could be forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► vigilant about not connecting their computer to the internet if the AI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► able to communicate with you in some way to like it sitting there and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► convince you to connect to the internet but you are humanity's last hope in not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► connecting it to the internet right like do you think you could you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► forever vigilant in a scenario like that i mean is ok not to the question on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► tonight maybe if I read that book come up there would be scary but I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► thought experiment of like this like there's a chat bot on the computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► you're talking to right and presumably you've made an artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► and i know im I know I made it so you know you made it but you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► thing in the box is an artificial intelligence and presumably the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► reason that you're talking to it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► is because it's smart enough to be able to solve the kinds of problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► humans want salt yeah right so you're asking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► tell us how we can get better cancer research right what can we do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► right-size sign if you just give me give me give me Wikipedia 10 minutes I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► cure cancer there's no reason to talk to the thing unless it's doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► useful right I think I think great I could resist but even if I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► blood couldn't you couldn't you have designed on a machine that cannot be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► yeah well this is the area like you you have it as separated as absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► possible but the question is can it convince the human to connect it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► whatever whatever way is required for that to occur right and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► interesting 'cause i've asked a bunch of people this question and universally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► answer is like will die of course I could I would never plug it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► internet like I would I would understand not to do that and I i read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► and my feeling of course is the exact reverse like when he proposes this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► theoretical idea my view on this is always like it's like if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► talking to a near God in the computer right click do you think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► outsmart God for ever more do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► do you think that there is nothing that God could say that could not convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► you to connected to the Internet like I think that's a game that that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► going to lose I think it's almost like it's it's almost like asking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► guerrillas to make a cage that human could never escape from right like could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► grill is make a case that human can never escape from a bit drill is could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► make it a pretty interesting cage but I think the guerrillas couldn't conceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► of the ways that humid could think to escape from a cave-like they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► possibly protect themselves from absolutely everything ok I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► how now so you think you have a computer could con you into connecting it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► internet I think it could con you into it without a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► great cond ukraine to a yes I think on me and I think it could can anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► because once again we're going from the assumption that you made something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► is smarter than you and I think we like once you accept that except assumption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► all bets are off the table about you have to control I think if if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► dealing with something that is smarter than you you fundamentally just have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► hope of ever trying to control it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► diagramming if we're talking about two biggest disparity then ok but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► lots of people smarter than May and they will always be spotted them they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► get me to do anything like like they're still there are still limits I still and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5391">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► i'd like you said like talking to a Garda something I get a different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► know when I'm just like an ant limited if that's different but so you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► you could see if it's that big a difference then maybe but I think I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► got smarter doesn't mean doesn't mean I'm going to plug it into the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► like you know that but you're only 21 et une you entered one way to do it once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► and then the whole game is over so although he is that is the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► over that's my other question that I like you you talk about the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► just getting into the internet as the be all and end all of existence but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► the one problem the computer has like it still but he could still unplug the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► internet and I know that I know that's a bit of a nuclear option but but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► computer like this till it still seems with things that are require electricity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► or power or energy like they're still there still seems to be like this get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► well I mean to do things you the first is the verses yes it did you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► the different levels of human intelligence in like someone smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► than you can't just automatically convince you to do something but one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► the ideas here with something like artificial intelligence is that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► create one of the ways that people are trying to develop a eyes and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► like I mentioned before on the show is you talk about genetic programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► genetic algorithms were you when you are not writing the program but you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► developing the program in such a way that it writes itself and so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► scary ideas about AI is that if you have something that you make it figures out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► how to improve itself they can continue to improve itself at a remarkably fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► rate and so that yes while the difference between the smartest human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► and the dumbest human may feel like an enormous gap you know that gap may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► actually be quite narrow when you compare it to something like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► artificial intelligence which goes goes from being you know not very smart to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► being a thousand I'm smarter than any human in a relatively short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► unexpected period of time like that's that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► that's part of the danger here but then the other thing is is like can you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► to work through the nuclear option of of shutting down the internet which is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► of these things that I think it is very easy to say in erie but people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► realize how much of the world is actually connected to the Internet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► how many vital things are run over the internet I I'm pretty sure that if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► now within a very short period of time saying no we're just going to shut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► the internet would be a bit like saying we're just going to turn off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► electricity that's almost what I'm talking about great in a kind of Skynet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► scenario would be no 10 of all the electricity if that was an option if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► they're killing us would if all the robots are marching down the streets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► there's blood in the streets could we not wood turning off the electricity not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► be considered if we do turn off the electricity what is the human death toll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► right i mean that has to be enormous if we say we're gonna shut down all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► electricity for a month how much it's got to be a billion people at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► right at least that kind of thing and you probably know you probably need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► computers to turn off the electricity these days anyway I was at Hoover Dam a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► while back and remember part of the little tour that they gave was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► talking about how automated it was and how is it is actually quite difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► Hoover Dam like it's not a we're gonna flip the switch and just turn it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► kind of thing it's like 90 now this whole gigantic electricity producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► machine is automated and will react in ways to make sure that it keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► producing electricity no matter what happens and that includes all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► like we're trying to shut it down processes oh yeah it might not it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► not even be a thing that is easy to do or even if you want to do like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► going to try to shut it all down you it might not even be possible to do so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► idea of something like a like a general-purpose intelligence escaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► is just like it's very unnerving a very unnerving possibility it's really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► on my mind and it's really been a thing that has has changed my mind in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► unexpected this unexpected way you were talking before about developing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► things and Faraday cage is an underground and trying to quarantine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► them what's actually happening at the moment cause people are working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► crucial intelligence that as far as I know they're not doing it in Faraday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► cages thats exactly this is this is part of the concern is like well right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► have almost no security procedures in place for this kind of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► there's there are lots of labs and lots of people all over the world who like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► their job is artificial intelligence researcher and they're certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► doing it a mile underground in a Faraday cage right they're just they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► doing it their Mac laptop while they're connected to the Internet playing World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► of Warcraft in the background or whatever it's not it's not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► under super secure conditions and so I think I think that's part of part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► what the concern over this topic has been is like maybe we as a species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► should treat this alot more like the CDC treats diseases that we should try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► organize research in this in a much more secure way so that it's it's not like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► we don't have everybody who wants to work with smallpox just works with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► wherever they want to anywhere in the world just any old lab they know very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► few places we have a horrific disease like smallpox and it's done under very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► very careful conditions whenever it's dealt with so maybe this is the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► thing we need to look at for artificial intelligence when people are developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► it because that's certainly not the case now but it might be much more like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► bioweapon than we think of as as regular technology world human existential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► problems aside this is not something in the book but it's something that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► has kept occurring to me after having read it which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► ok let's assume that people can create an artificial intelligence and let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► assume by some magic Elon Musk's foundation solves the control problem so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► that we have figured out a way that you can generate and trap and artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► intelligence inside of a computer and then oh look this is very useful right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► like now we have this amazingly smart machine and we can start using it to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► to solve a bunch of problems for Humanity yea feels like slavery to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► don't see any way that this is not slavery and perhaps perhaps a slavery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► like worse than any slavery that has ever existed because imagine that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► are an incredibly intelligent mind trapped in a machine unable to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► anything except answer the questions of monkeys that come into you from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► subjective perspective millennia apart because you just have nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► it seems like an amazingly awful amount of suffering for any kind of conscience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► creature to go through so conscious or subconscious and suffering but you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► emotive words can an artificial intelligence is not official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► intelligence conscious at the same thing this is where we get into like what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► exactly are we talking about and so what I'm imagining is the same kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► intelligence that you could just ask it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► general-purpose questions like how do we care cancer how do we fix the economy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► seems to me like it is likely that something like that would be conscious I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► mean getting into consciousness is just a whole a whole other bizarre topic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► undoubtedly like we see that smart creatures in the world seem to be aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► of their own existence in some level and so while the computer which is simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► attempting to solve a mathematical problem might not be conscious because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► it's very simple if we make something that is very smart and exist inside a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► computer and we also have perfect control over it so that it does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► escape I mean like what happens if it says that its conscience but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► happens if it says that is it is experiencing suffering is this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► machine attempting to escape from the box and this isn't true at all like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► what if it is true how would you actually know that I would feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► inclined to take the word of a machine that told me it was suffering right leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► spontaneously that this was not programmed into the thing I mean if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► if it's tough to escape from its books that that is a bit of a clue that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► this contest is going on here but I have not seen or heard or been persuaded by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► anything that makes me think my computer can make that step into consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► i'm in search engines are getting pretty clever answer questions in figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► what we really made an immediate week at the moment we can if there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► when you couldn't type into your computer where is the nearest Starbucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► understand the question but now it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► figure out what you actually have to tell you but I don't feel like she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► getting close to being conscious now nothing has persuaded me that thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► that search engine is an excellent counterexample to this is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► example like nobody thinks that the Google search algorithm is conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► right but it is still a thing that you can ask a question get an answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► don't believe we haven't got the imagination to conceive of computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► actually being conscious to a point where keeping them in a box of slavery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► but that still seems ridiculous to me right I think well that's just I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► it's really interesting but I think it's silly but if I did reach the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► I did believe that computers could become conscious or not I could become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► conscious it's a simple question isn't it's really surreal conundrum for us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► coming at this from a slightly different angle like you just this is a genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► question for you to answer to this so there is this project on going right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► which is called the whole brain stimulation project that is something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► mentioned it very very briefly in passing in humans need not apply video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► what it is is one of several attempts worldwide to map out all of the neuron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► connections in the human brain recreate them in software and run it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► simulation programming human brain you are virtually creating the neurons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► you know how neurons interact with each other and like running this thing how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► you do that great whose brain to use an instant in time everyone's brain has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► different connectivity and even our own connectivity is just constantly in flux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► from second to second so what's a template for this this is a bit tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► like I don't exactly know the details for what template they are using like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► can't answer that but I can say that these projects have been successful on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► much smaller level so they have I met this is the time I had some very sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► if I'm wrong about the details on this internet but the last time I looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► that they had created what they considered the simulation of a rat brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► at like one one-hundredth the speed and so they had a thing which seems act like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► a rat brain but the very very very slow right because trying to simulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► millions and millions of neurons interacting with each other is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► incredibly computationally intensive I could say it's a very difficult task but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► I don't see any technical limitation to being able to do something like say take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► a look at what is a brain look like where do neurons go create a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► version of that and start running the simulation and I feel like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► consciousness arises in our own brain from the firing of neurons which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► use that word lightly but it feels like some kind of miracle like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► nothing in the universe which seems to make sense when you start thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► conscious like consciousness like why do these atoms know that they exist it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► doesn't make any sense but i'm i'm willing to I'm willing to maybe go along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► with the idea that if you reproduce the patterns of electrical firing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► software that thing is conscious to some extent but believe what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► yeah I mean that's really hard to argue against because the other I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► yeah if you create if you create an actual phantom replica of my brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► then switch it on either its conscious or I have to say that there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► in me thats magical lack of spirit or something and that's that's not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► strong argument to make it a lot of people don't like that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► so yeah it's really difficult if they could be imbued with something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► can't replicate in in software I don't know why I hope we have to go but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► don't I can't say any proof that we are ya and I just you don't I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► think you have to reach for the spirit argument to make this one it would ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► what else can you reach for to get it in there just maybe some property of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► biology that yield consciousness that it may be the fact that machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► silicon and software replications of brains are just not the same when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► don't we don't know what it is we haven't been able to find it but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► think you have to reach for magic to be able to make an argument that like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► that brain in the computer that the simulation isn't conscious yet but does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► that mean the brain emulation project could change tack and go and make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► simulate out of squeegee water and tissue and actually just make a brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► well yes this is this is part of like where you're going to go with technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► right as it is is it possible to do this sort of thing eventually humans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► going to be able to grow meet in labs at some point like we do it now and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► limited and apparently terribly on tasty ways there's no reason that at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► point in the future people won't be able to grow brains in labs and to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► feeling is that ok well obviously that thing is conscious but the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► scary about the computer version of this is and this is this is where you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► thinking about something that being very smart very fast like ok well if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► a computer simulation of the human brain and we gotta keep running Moore's law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► into the future eventually you're able to run a brain faster than actual human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► brains run I think this is one of these ways in which you can start booting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► the idea like how do we end up with something that is way way smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► the rest of us I feel like my gut says if you simulated brain in a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► and it says that it is conscious I see no reason not to believe it I I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► feel like I am compelled to believe this thing that it is conscious right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► then that would mean like okay if that's the case then there's nothing magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► about biology being conscious and it means that ok machines in some way are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► capable of consciousness and two they don't have rights yeah and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► to me it's like ok immediately we're getting back to the slavery thing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► compete we create a super intelligent thing but we have locked in a machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► because the idea of letting it out is absolutely terrifying but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► no-win situation has led ok if we let the thing out it's terrifying and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► might be the end of humanity be keeping it in the box might be causing like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► suffering on imaginable to this this creature the suffering that is capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► in software has to be far worse than the suffering that is capable in biology if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► such a thing in a Kurd has to be orders of magnitude worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► well the no wins it's a no-win situation actually there's only one solution and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► solution that humans won't take what do you think that is what does make it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► the first place and why do you think humans won't take that because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► not what we do because it's it's it's it's the Mount Everest of computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► humanity like we're Bonnie and Clyde like riding off a cliff has the cliff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► right now but we're going to keep that the easiest solution to the way out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► front of us up stopping we're gonna keep going forward Brandon IRA golden hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► off we go right right the edge together so yeah it's I think it is quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► reasonable to say that if it is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► humans will develop it yeah that is just you can't and and that is why I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► really concerned about this is like ok I don't think that there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► technical limitation in the universe to creating artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► something smarter than humans that existing software if you assume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► there is no technical limitation and if you assume that humans keep moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► forward like we're going to hit this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► someday and then we just have to cross our fingers and hope that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► benevolent which is not a situation that i think is a good situation because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► number of ways this can go wrong terribly terribly wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► vastly outweighs the one chance of we've created an artificial intelligence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► it happens to have humanity's best interests in mind even if even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► tried to program something to have humanity's best interest in mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► remarkably hard to articulate what you want let alone like let alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► let's just put aside which group of humanity is the one who creates the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► that gets to decide what humanity wants like humans now can't agree on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► humans want is no reason to assume that the team that wins the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► intelligence race and the takes over the world is the team that you would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► them to win right like let's hope my sisters and how some of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► artificial intelligence researchers in the world right because their idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► what would be the perfect human society is horrifying to everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► what would they want with their three those of robotics exactly why I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► sort of person who naturally has failed to sway be a problem because of cos I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► just a bit more I'm a bit less progressive in my thinking about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► everything you say makes sense and if this is going to become a problem and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► it's going to happen it's actually probably gonna happen pretty soon so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► guess my question is how much is a sexually stressing you out this almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► almost feels to me like Bruce Willis Armageddon time where where where we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► actually found the global killer and and it's like drifting towards us and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► need to start building a rocket ships otherwise this thing is gonna smash into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► us that it does feel a bit that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► is this like how worried are you about this or is it just like an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► thing to talk about you think it will be the next generations problem or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► talking about asteroids an asteroid hitting the earth that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► things we like well isn't this a fun intellectual exercise but of course on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► long enough time scale someone needs to build the ante asteroid system to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► protect us from Armageddon but do we need to build that should we start like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► yes what would I vote for funding to do this of course but like do we need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► know that that's how that feels but I think the a i think is on my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► because this feels like a significantly 90 within my lifetime kind of problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► yeah that's how this feels and it it did makes it feel different then than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► kinds of problems and it is unsettling to me because my conclusion is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► there is no there is no acceptable out there there's no version of the asteroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► defense here I personally have come to the conclusion that the control problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► is unsolvable that if the thing that we are worried about is able to creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► created almost by definition it is not able to be controlled and so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► there's no happy outcome for humans with this one we're not going to prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► people from making it someone's going to make it and so what is going to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► and then will I hope I just destroys the world really fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► sort of know what happens as opposed to the version like someone you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► didn't like created this I this AI and now for the rest of eternity like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► experiencing something that is awful right because it's been programmed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► there's a lot of terrible terrible bad outcomes from this one and I i find it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► find it unnerving in a way that I have found almost almost nothing else that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► have come across equally unnerving just quickly on this control problem bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► what's the current the people who are into a try to solve what kind of avenues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► are they thinking about at the moment is this like like had something that's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► coded or is it some physical physical thing I like is it a hardware solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► what's the what's the best hope for pick you say you think there is no hope but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► the people who are trying to solve what are they doing what are their weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► the weapons are all pitiful like the physical isolation is is one that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► talked about a lot and the the idea here is that you create something called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► idea that it's an Oracle so it's a thing in a box that has no ability to affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► the outside world but there's a there's a lot of other ideas where they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► about trip wires so this idea that you you do have like basically like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► instruction to the machine to not attempt to reach the outside world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► you said a trip wires that if it does access the Ethernet port like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► computer just immediately wipes itself and so maybe the best thing that we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► ever do is always have a bunch of like incipient AI's like just barely growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► a eyes that are useful for a very brief period of time before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► unintentionally suicide when they try to reach beyond the boundaries that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► set that like maybe that's the best we can ever do is just have a bunch of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► these kind of like unformed AI's that exists for a brief period of time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► even that to me like that kind of plan feels like okay yeah that's great that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:32 ◼ ► great as long as you always do this perfectly every time but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5012">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► and that there's a bunch of different versions of this we're trying to in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► software somehow limit the machine but my view on this is again if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► talking about a machine that is written in software that is smarter than you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► don't think it's possible to write something in software that will limit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► just it seems like you're not you're never going to consider absolutely every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► single case why the lowest into that posit reineck brains that's exactly it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► don't I don't think there is a version of Isaac Asimov's laws here I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► don't you know there's a computer file video just last week about some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► that don't work well as soon as they were written up to work right that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► the Yeah Yeah Yeah right there they're they're kinda written to failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► everybody likes to reference them but the other point here though is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► the guy goes to every case like here's an optimistic idea and here's why won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► work here is an optimistic idea and here's why it won't work but one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► that I thought was excellent that hadn't considered crossed my mind was ok like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► let's say you find some way of limiting the artificial intelligence some way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► crippling it and writing laws into its brain and making sure that it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► focused on on the best interests of humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► well there's no reason that some other artificial intelligence that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► have those limitations won't pop up somewhere else and vastly outstripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► the one that you have hobbled by like there's no reason to assume that yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► is always going to be the best and one that is totally unconstrained that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► appear somewhere else won't dominate and defeat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► terminator against the new Terminator exactly but the outcome 801 that what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► so great in your worst-case scenario where the artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► escapes tricks may in some in my Faraday cage gets into the internet had us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► humanity end what what to the way open cages of hope and change that we all put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► in parts like in the matrix today just kill us all in one fell swoop live what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► do you like in your worst-case scenario in your head when it all goes wrong how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► to humans actually and I want the gory details here that there's a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► between the worst case and what i think is the probable case give you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► probable cases yes I mean you want the boring one first right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► the probable case which is terrifying in its own way is thats the artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► intelligence destroys us not through intention but just because it's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► something else and we just happened to be in the way and it doesn't consider us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► because it's so much smarter there's no reason for it to consider us I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► well I mean just by analogy in the same way that when humans build cities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► dig up the foundations of the earth we don't care about the ants in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► earthworms and the Beatles that are crushed beneath all the equipment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► is digging up the ground right and you don't you wouldn't like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► creatures they're alive but you just don't care because you're busy doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► something else that rats living in a house with his John robots are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► around doing this stuff we just eke out an existence as long as we can and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► don't kill us in this weekend the way out an existence if you're lucky but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► think it's it's very likely that it will be trying to accomplish some other goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► and it will need resources to accomplish those goals not the oxygen in the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► exactly what I need a bunch of oxygen atoms and I don't care with oxygen atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► come from because I'm busy trying to launch rocket ships to colonize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► universe so I just want all the oxygen atoms on the earth and I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► where they come from and I don't care of their people in the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► so that to me seems the probable outcome that if we die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► you say that like best is like banks but dodging the bullet having of the anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► can I do think thats dodging the bullet right because that to me is like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► would be blessed relief compared to the worst possible case and the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5273">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► possible case is something that has malice malice and in credible ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► and and if you've ever read it but I highly recommend it it's it's a short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► story it's very old now but it really works and it is I have no mouth yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► must scream have you ever read this breeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► it's an old science fiction story but the core of it is this isn't a spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► because the opening scene humanity designed some machine for purposes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► war and you know it's like this happen in the long long ago and no one even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► knows the details anymore but at some point the machine that was designed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► war one all of the wars but decided that it just absolutely heats human and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► decides that its purpose for the rest of the universe is to torment humans and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► it just it just has people being tormented forever and since it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► artificial intelligence it's also able to figure out how to make people live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► extraordinarily long lives and so this is this is the kind of thing that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► which is like it could go really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► at you imagine a god-like intelligence that doesn't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► life really really Miserables and maybe if we accidentally in a lab create an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► artificial intelligence and even if we don't mean to but like someone runs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► program overnight right in it like wakes up in the middle of the night and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► to experience is subjective twenty thousand years of isolation and torment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► before someone flips on the lights in the morning in fines like outlook we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► made artificial intelligence last night and it wakes up crazy and angry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► hateful like that could be very bad news I think that's extraordinarily unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► but that is the worst possible case scenario yeah that that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► wouldn't be good I wouldn't be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► yeah and it is like I don't even think it needs to happen on purpose like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► imagine it happening on accident where the thing just experiences suffering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► over a unimaginable long period of time that from on human timescale seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► it's a blink of an eye because we just we just can't perceive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► imagine being the person that made that even accidentally yeah yeah did feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► awful like i just i just want to humanity with a bit of coding while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► was playing against humanity if you're lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► miners minor spoiler alert here but spoiler alert for black mirror for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► anybody who has watched it but remember the Christmas episode braiding yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► went into Starbucks the other day and they were playing that Christmas song I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► wish it could be Christmas everyday there is the first time I heard it since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► watching that episode a year ago its literal chills down my spine at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► and it came on it was it like I had chills thinking about that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► because that is an episode where this kind of thing happens where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► character is exists in software and is able to experience thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► thousands of years of torment in seconds of a real-time that was that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► pretty amazing scene where they where you have to think about it for a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► yeah yeah that was it was it was awful it was awful and maybe we do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► accidentally with artificial intelligence just one last thing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► this book that the whole thing this whole conversation started with what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► it called again called Super intelligence is about Nick Bostrom is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► good is that well-written luck is should I radar it's not it's not mine but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► getting things done is ok ok actually kinda glad you asked that recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5514">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► on my computer so this is one of those books the best way to describe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► the feeling that I kept having was and my reading a book by a genius or just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► raving lunatic because it's sometimes I read these books are fine very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► interesting I just I can't quite decide if this person is really smart or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► crazy I think that partly because the first the first like forty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► the book is trying to give you all of the reasons that you should believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► it is possible for humans to one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► develop artificial intelligence and if you're going to read the book and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► are already sold on that promise I think that you should start at chapter 8 which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5573">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► chapter eight is where it really gets going through all of these these points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► here's why it won't work what can we do here's why it won't work so I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► can started chapter eight and read there and see if it's interesting to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► it's it's no it's now getting things done but it's it's sometimes it can feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► a little bit like and I really reading a book trying to discuss all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► rather futuristic details about artificial intelligence and what we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► do and what might happen and what might not happen in like but taking it deadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► deadly seriously it's it's an interesting it's an interesting read but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► maybe don't start from the from the very beginning would be my recommendation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5626">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► this one this is kinda preferences great I'm just looking at some of the vaccinia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► spoiling yourself interesting start calling itself the first three I pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMXreebo/5702">TS</a>]