H.I. #54: Star Wars Christmas Special
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you know how I love a little bit of fate and coincidence and stuff I had my head
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I had been a crazy idea today so I just wanna put it in there cause I know you
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like new and unpredictable things that I love alone suffered a schedule I did
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something I do maybe once every few months and that is I bought like a
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scratch ticket oh yeah I usually do as a little surprise present from iowa
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because she's not particularly in to scratch tickets but she finds it funny
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that Australians called them scratch ease so ever since then I sometimes
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think that's funny because it is funny
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Australians and your lil names for everything we love putting the liaison
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the end of things so sometimes I come home and bring her a scratchy so anyway
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I brought a scratchy for myself and I thought I would do the scratchy luck on
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the podcast because I could win 1,000,000 pounds and I thought if I 11
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million pounds while we will live recording that would be an amazing piece
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of podcast would be pretty go it would be astounding do you think if I win
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1,000,000 pounds that would change the topic of today's podcast and we will
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just talk about how I'm gonna spend this million pants now because honestly I
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would much rather talk about our intended topic then you're million
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pounds if you like I'm really happy for you but let's get on with the show
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really did do you think I could do the show if I just want two million barrels
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I mean your professional podcaster you should be able to soldier on without one
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which he just ran into the street screaming no but I think I think it
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would be unprofessional to win 1,000,000 pounds live on a podcast and then not
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talk about it just crack on with other by now subjects there's always follow up
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Brady right we can talk about it and follow up on the next episode
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you've got to adapt to circumstances and you could go with fake takes you you've
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got to be as adaptable as a Swiss Army knife as we previously discussed you
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can't just have your notes and think like like if I was looking out the
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window right now and a comment came and smashed into the say do you think I'd be
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thinking would I be thinking that that does his topic for next week I must put
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the show notes or do you think it's a great not gonna believe what just
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happened of course if you wildly change this
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scenario then yes I'm going to agree with you had we're going to talk about a
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comment smashing into the earth I'm not having that I'm not wildly changing the
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subject changing the area I like I admit crashing to the earth is pretty
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significant and more significant than we may winning a million pounds but may 20
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million pounds is still like a big deal it's like more interesting than talking
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about Star Wars it is not it is not more interesting great if you if you want to
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if you wanna million per someone walked into your office right now and gave you
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a suitcase with a million pounds I would say let's talk about that Star Wars can
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wait that is quite an unusual scenario why did someone give me a suitcase full
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of a million pounds now the suitcases a thing to worry about like sitting here
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at my feet as I'm trying to record the scenario let me make this really easy
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for you if you had a scratchy cat in front of you and you scratch that off
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and you won a million pounds I think that's more interesting than talking
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about stuff goes ok you know what I can prove to you it isn't because he is that
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we can do if you really want that can be my scratchy ticket and you can scratch
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it off and if I win a million pounds then we keep going on with the show and
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I'm right and it's great that we're going to see if I can prove to you I can
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prove to you how correct I am on this one I would rather be Rome and having
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them are you are you ready to scratch off here is scheduled to take it well
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I'm gonna give you a fun of choices in the scenario because my wife believes
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that it's lucky to use a golden coin to do it with a coin of high value but just
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for you I also have a penny I'm gonna let you decide if you want me to use a
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lucky golden coin or a penny to scratchy scratchy scratchy I mean which one is
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more satisfying to hold because obviously they're not going to change
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the numbers in the ticket I've actually was slightly disagreed with my wife on
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this because I think the gold pound coin is a little bit sick for doing the
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scratchy oh yeah pound coins no good that's no good to hold it all you need
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like a tu pense going that's that's good it's nice and then it's probably the
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only thing that it depends going is good at it is big enough to hold
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up to scratch when now you've said that I gotta go and get two pence cause now I
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feel like it's bad luck if i dont use it to a pens game it doesn't there is no
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there is no luck in this scenario I'm gonna get to Penn Schoen hang on
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ok I made in this news release getting it depends if he has it right hand is
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going to be sitting back down in like two seconds I'm back on his way back to
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you know I keep my cup of coins in a in a old ww2 like mortar shell then huge
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big goldwater show is it within arms reach is essentially a pretty matches so
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figured it's on those bookshelves next to my desk right right of course sounds
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good just the way they mentally to pants ok see if you can guess what you might
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open scoring is from 1990 1995 nowhere near it
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we have what like fifty years of two pence coins I think that's pretty close
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five years five years how long how long of two pence coins currently in
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circulation been made
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let me let me say something again grow so you can do it all my goodness great
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that's amazing you are within five years they didn't exactly because it would be
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ridiculous because being five years is nowhere near I think it depends entirely
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on how many years worth of fifty pence coins are in circulation and I bet
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there's like 50 years worth of fifty pence going circulations 108 maybe not
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cuz theres desolation in the nineteen seventies in the UK and other currency
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in the nineteen seventies I think they did 66 I believe was the ok so still
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like shifted basically fifty years ago I don't know that was 66 assists in my
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head cuz that's also the year they won the World Cup I could be wrong about
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that but anyway there's many many years I'm within 5 I'm impressed by this
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random coincidence are you impressed by telling him you like that that's what I
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tell you what you will be impressed by my million pound win that's about to
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happen mary millions I put a picture of the card and shown out so people can
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look what's the maximum on that scratch the maximum million parents who is not
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really Mary millions it's Mary hey million or 44 for people to marry
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million therefore it's a Merry millions visit Mary's million there's million
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pounds the next prices 25 2010 51 than 200 100 as the little ones if I win
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25,000 I don't really know what we're gonna do I think I mean that's there's a
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lot of money but where is that boundary of when it becomes uninteresting
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we've got a great because that's the whole thing with like scratch cards and
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lotteries as before you inevitably lose it so the dreaming of what will happen
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if you win so I'm trying to make course that is what this thing is so I'm not
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even dreaming of what I would do with the million I'm dreaming of what will
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podcast about if I read the million
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got like it's like levels of abstraction going on here we know we're going to
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talk about we're gonna podcast about Star Wars now here we go there are four
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gingerbread man in a little cluster and apparently if I if when I scratch away
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these gingerbread man if I find a little Santa Claus face i win a prize I'm sure
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to listeners are holding their breath man had a ball pool side win the second
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on a globe know when a sweet know when Holly know where and when nothing how
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unlikely it looks like today's podcast is going to be about the new Star Wars
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film The Force awakens
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what's the most important thing before we say anything about the force awakens
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the new Star Wars movie instead of us is what is a spoiler situation here because
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oil is a very important when it comes to this there can't not be spoilers this
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episode is going to have many spoilers starting essentially immediately so so
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if you don't want spoilers stop now we are recording this is at its two days
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after it came out in the UK I think that's about right and i know many
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people who have taken the last couple days to basically hide from the internet
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because they are terrified of receiving spoilers so I know a lot of people like
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I can't go on reddit I can go on Twitter because if I go on I know I'm going to
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see spoiler and so many many people are are hiding but as always cast people
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could be listening in the far far future great I have a story yes a blatant
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exactly to that obviously will come to us so we can estaba spoilers obviously a
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very major character dies in this film and I was spoiled
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yeah I was it doesn't really bother me but I and it was just you know what it
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does bother me it was the method in which it was done okay so tell me how
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did this tragedy happened I was in the comments section of one of my videos
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just like I do for work and it was one of those people who just who just wants
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to be a bad person and just wrote so-and-so dies and is killed by someone
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so no one really basically the whole purpose was for people to stumble over
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and incidentally and can I say
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and I've been thinking about this and I don't want to sound too extreme but I
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think people who do that I don't judge them cause I don't know what's going on
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in their lives they could have had a difficult childhood
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of stuff going on and I've lived long enough to know when people do bad things
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sometimes there are other things going on so I don't want to I don't judge the
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but can I say that Act the act of spoiling say I feel more a TV show in
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that I don't know if there's a word for doing that i'm gonna call / spoiling
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it's like a drive-by spoiling what is called a flash point is I think it's a
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little bit catch you but I think the act of doing that is one of the most pure
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despicable things you can possibly do because there's nothing but evil about
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life is nothing but taking pleasure from evil there are many worse things that
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people can go right for example crimes and terrorism they are worse things
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right to inspect some how many of them can be justified but you can say well
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okay this person may be heard they had walked believe so they thought they were
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doing the right thing or they were motivated by a need and then they did a
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really bad thing but people who are doing these flash spoils me it's just
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that there's none of that going on there's no there's no constructs you can
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make where there's like a justification other than them taking pleasure from
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ruining something for other people and I think that's a really despicable acting
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you can sit there and laugh and think i've i've ruin the film for X number of
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people and then you have but can I just say that's a despicable thing you've
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done and like that's as low as you can get a good time for you I know it makes
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you happy that that and that just makes me feel a bit sad for you I can imagine
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that sort of person takes a lot of pleasure
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there's something about this which is like East symmetric warfare in that I
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imagine the person who does the spoiling gets maybe five seconds worth a very
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minor enjoyment for some people but the damage done is enormous
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you you ruin the movie for a large group of people like you take away such a huge
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amount of joy for what is a very probable very small increase of pleasure
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to yourself so that's one of things it's even worse about it like the asymmetry
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of it well I mean that's the case from
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crimes and things isn't what you say is true great I just think I guess that's
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just sad that had a sad crap life and they may be they feel that the world's
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been bad to them so they want to do something bad to the world I'm thinking
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of the damage done in terms of human hours of enjoyment you know when someone
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sees a spoiler like that on one of your videos like it's possible you know many
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hundreds maybe thousands of people see that lets multiply a thousand human
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hours of spoiled moving us against the persons leading seconds of enjoyment
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that is the tremendous asymmetry of it that mean then let people who kick
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puppies on that as far as bad things go that are not illegal it's it's up there
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but by the way I am only talking about these flash boils like I mean people may
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people may be pointing out that in our recent vote-counting video the face of
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growing appeared a few times I point out why this is different when it was
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accidental
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it was you editing the video was made that video is very long and as you know
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I didn't go through a frame-by-frame and it had to be done a bit of a hurry if
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you're watching that video you probably know you're in a frisky zone but if
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you're like somewhere unrelated and someone does that does that flash Boyle
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I think that's a bit worse I didn't quite realize that there actually are a
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tremendous number of comments on our flag video about spoilers for my face
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but I didn't see very much of that because as soon as we put the video up I
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was precisely afraid of the thing that happened to you happening to me of
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someone leaving just a random comment on that video to be a jerk about Star Wars
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spoilers so this is how we looking at so little in the last couple days leading
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up to this movie and then after I saw for the first time I went back to look
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at that video Russell 2000 boy lots of comments about these would be great face
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boilers again need to add an annotation or something to to warn people about it
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because of how many comments there have been anyway enough about that it didn't
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I don't think it affected my enjoyment of the film I didn't you know I didn't
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take enough from a to know exactly what and when and how and who said there was
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still some doubts but it did you know that was less of a surprise as a result
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but anyway let's talk about this film
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let's talk about Star Wars now actually the force awakens directed by Jim Abrams
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now you've already seen it twice the way this work is that I saw it on the 17th
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as a date with my wife had originally reserve some tickets ahead of time and
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we were going to go out and see it because because we are professional
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movie reviewers in some way I like this notion that everything we discuss on the
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podcast we can somehow be professional in in any way and we get we get money
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for the podcasting network professional X we're professional movers now I mean
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after that scratchy thing on a professional gambler I believe you are
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you a Wikipedia pages are going to get very long very long my plan was unlike
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say some of the other movies that we have intentionally watched for the
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podcast like The Hobbit movies where my expectations were low going in when I go
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into the Hobbit movie I have my phone now ready to take notes right away
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because I feel like a movie there's no way you're going to convince me to put
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down this phone because you're interesting so I might as well start
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taking notes now but I felt that that would have been deeply unfair to do to
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the Star Wars movie and it was also just not something I wanted to do and also
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just not something I would want to do when I'm going to see a movie with
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somebody else so I booked two tickets one which was just to see it with my
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wife and just to watch it and then the second one which just happened today
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which is the day after I booked it with the intention of going into the movie
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theater and having my phone and taking notes by the way people don't worry I
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booked in the back so that nobody was getting distracted by my phone so then
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the second thing is that ok now I am medal watching this like I'm watching me
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watching this and i'm taking notes on it and and writing some stuff down so
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that's that's my experience of it OK and you have watched it once I've watched it
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once yes I watched the day after you basically my wife wants to see it and
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she's booked tickets for us to see it on Sunday which happens to be the day after
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tickets for Monday night now and we're not gonna use a Sunday Ticket so there
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them as we talk now I've only seen it once I didn't take notes during ice
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cream with some notes the day after my memories of it alright well I know Brady
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you have no patience for talking about it without saying in advance what you
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actually thought of the movie so do you want to give your overall feeling he
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reaction to Star Wars do you disagree with me because I know this is a point
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of difference between us you like sort of constructing this complicated web
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where no one knows exactly what you're thinking with a movie review it's more
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important for people to know what you think overall I know where you're coming
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from and then and then you say good or bad about it has a context i think
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talking about it is the review
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yeah and that's what we'll do but it is it is all colored by whether or not you
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liked the film like it colors I think it's important to do and that's why I
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will I will concede I will concede your point ik I will concede your point
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ok well my overall feeling about it that will that can be taken with everything I
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say subsequently is I thought it was a really really good it was excellent
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two thumbs up superb job wow high rankings probably the biggest star Wars
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fan that I know in real life I know anybody in real life be like Star Wars
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more than you not flawless and I have a have a whole page of of criticisms I
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think when he was announced as directed my expectations were too high then they
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went down and after a few of the trailers I began to lose faith and get
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to wonder some expectations went down a bit so it exceeded my expectations but
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my expectations weren't ridiculously high but they also were at rock bottom
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but I think the film's very good for two four and a half stars out of 5 I'd say
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what about you what's your overall thoughts before we get get down to the
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nitty gritty yes I had only watched that first trailer that you made me watch for
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the record I wouldn't have watched otherwise like you I was happy VD
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hearings was selected as the director and I was intentionally keeping my
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expectations low and my mind mental bar here was if we can get something as good
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as the new Star Trek movies that James did that's a win those Star Trek movies
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same thing like they're they're like a fun adventure ride but I've never felt
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really compelled to watch them again but I would still feel like that would be
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that would be a win that's really what I'm hoping for that was kind of the
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mental bar in my life is is ok maybe it's going to be like Star Wars as seen
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through modern action movie genres but I'll be fine with that if it's if it's
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like Star Trek but I watched it and I would say that it passed that far
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it was a better movie than the Star Trek movie was I really liked it's like to
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have a quite a long list of things that I didn't like but overall it was it felt
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to me like this huge relief of like oh wow it's a it's a Star Wars movie that I
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can enjoy again
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I watched it and it was a fun adventure and I liked it and it was it was good in
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all the ways that I wanted it to end the thing that I really kept feeling
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throughout it was like that Star Trek movie doesn't really you like star track
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but watching this Star Wars movie it felt like the line at Honolulu given the
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movies like we're home again like this feels like Star Wars it's hard to pin
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down what that is exactly what it feels like it's in the same family as those
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original three-month high grade I think I
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reasons for that I agree with you and that arrow sites like it's made star was
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a case against like after those three abominations it was a bit like people
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that you like Star Wars really but those rooms are rubbish it's a bit like year
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but say now is OK
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healing moment that that's that's really what it feels like it's just it feels
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like oh there's there's been this great healing energy Abrams has laid his hands
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upon the series and it's all okay now maybe it's a bit like a sporting team
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that won a bunch of super bowls like in the eighties and then they became really
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rubbish team never gives you a hard time for liking that time this year that had
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a really good season and made the playoffs on paper it's all right there
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after oh yeah it was it was it was great and I hope does need gives judge abrams
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all the creatively way that he once for whatever he's going to do with with the
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next movies kobe's he is physically safe for the near future someone get that guy
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the bodyguard 24 7 because I want to make sure I G Abrams is a okay to keep
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this to keep this train rolling a piece of paper here that says the light side
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didn't like my tax ID one problem is a bit longer how we gonna do this do what
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are we going good some bad so we goin chronological age you know how do you
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want to talk about the film let's just start kind of rolling through what
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happens in the movie and then and and take it from there I think if we go
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funny we don't have to stick to call logical or anything but let's just kind
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of like start the
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a very good place to stop my very first note on this was text scroll know it
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taxes exclamation mark right away it felt great to see a text scroll in the
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opening part of the movie that was people focus they get with clear of here
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is the set up Luke is missing
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that's important it was just it was a very good start
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ok great there's a text girl that I understand the talking about people it's
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not talking about trade embargoes and federations and all the rest of this
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right away very happy very good sign I just love it and of course I don't think
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you can sit in a movie theater and not have that initial Star Wars sound come
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on and blasted with that logo and not feel a moment of just tremendous
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excitement like no matter how low my expectations were going into that peter
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hasn't tried to like turned down my expectations intentionally as soon as
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that Big Star Wars sound comes on you just oh boy here we go I hope it's
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amazing to say that the scroll wasn't bad ok so far as to say it was good
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stuff I think that the first words Luke Skywalker has vanished that's really
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compelling like that's like that's a really good first few words like the
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first thing everyone wonders going to see that film is what's gonna happen to
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Luke Skywalker like where i doing now comes the big hero what's and to start
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with that straight away it's like okay let's the hotel doesn't he know the easy
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way to really get it was really good start sending around and they do a
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little bit of misdirection because they mentioned about Princess Leia sending
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her daring pilot off to go find whatever did find the missing map
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yeah and and of course in your mind you're thinking of that must be Han Solo
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right now of course not this is the new movie there's a new cast is going to be
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somebody else he was the daring pilot was written obviously intentionally to
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make you think conselho and then like nope this is a new this is a new set of
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movies I thought that was a nice looking to do as well yeah and then the open and
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then from the scroll obviously the camera pans down in the great Star Wars
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tradition to see what a big amazing money shots gonna be a
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is it gonna be a rolling ship or what's it gonna be scrolling down to a planet I
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think he did he did well it is different but in keeping with the great star was
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tradition like right away I thought that was a really good sign of he's doing the
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traditional move we have pan to a planet but he's doing it as the silhouette of
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the ship so you don't actually see the ship that is is this first one here you
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just see that there's some silhouette crossing the planet down go these little
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pods with storm troopers in them and it's like it's ok great this feels like
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we're doing the right things here going through all the motions but also it's
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it's different and its new so I thought I thought that was that was really good
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it's doing everything you need to its conveying so much information with so
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little effort like okay because the planet like a clips because the plan is
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eclipsed by the ship its ok this is menaced this is this is big and menacing
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and straight oh and all of these things are being given to you straight away no
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confusion now no clutter just but everything is got meaning it's not only
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beautiful and clever it's it's giving information all the time which is so
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important at the start of the film is an especially these are films even if you
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imagine someone walking into this movie theater and they've never seen Star Wars
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before and they're reading this text may have no idea who any of these people are
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you still know that the ship is bad news so clearly this is bad news right these
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are not people that you want coming to this planet just visually like they
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don't have to tell you anything about it there are a lot of little moments like
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this in the movie where I just found myself thinking like how competent you
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are using visual language to convey something like this this is just
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absolutely this is absolutely a pleasure to watch when when someone is doing
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doing this kind of thing yeah so I think the first the first major departure in
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the movie is the scene when the storm troopers land they are thinking of his
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as new tattoo him truly Jaku i think is the name for it
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yeah but it's another desert planet yeah it's another does deter planet it's it's
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you know it's new Tatooine
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and they're they're landing in there doing a raid and there's a storm trooper
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who is freaking out because he's this is his his first fight as you find out
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later he seeing you seeing all the death occurring around him and he's like a
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PTSD stormtrooper in this moment he sees presumably one of his friends dies this
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again was just a great thing like let's do something a little bit different and
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the and the old Star Wars movies had these couple little moments where where
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storm troopers where human eyes like chatting on the side of of them will be
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seen or whatever but here we are going to focus on a stormtrooper like one guy
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who is a real person who is going to be an actual character and I mean because I
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had seen the trailer that really made me want to presume that that was going to
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be the case that I guess storm trooper was was one of the main characters by I
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thought it was a good move I got an interesting it's an interesting and
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different place to focus in in the movie and we have this sort of this little
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battle and skirmish kick off on the on the desert planet the same and where
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someone files a blast heard a big bad and he froze the blast about in the in
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of it or not too sure about that but I was also and it was such a cool new use
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of the focus was such a cool new effect to see a lazy about frozen in mid-air
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but still sort of sizzling on the spot other that was that was so cold that
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blaster bolts was designed in the same way that Iran's lightsabers done where
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it in its like angry right it has sparks coming off the edge of it feels alive
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because this is this is the this is the plus side of making a movie many years
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better than just lines on the screen so yes when when that blaster boulders
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the screen but with this it feels like that blaster bolt is just
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tradução dying to move forward like it's giving off sparks and its kinda
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moving around a little bit but but it's just casually held there by the dark
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side of the force and yes it is just so cool like that is exactly the kind of
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imagine yourself like stopping blaster bolts with your hands when you're
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playing with other kids like that's just a great great thing to do in in the
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opening scene to establish I guess this guy can do amazing things right away and
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also very early on we have a bit of a market for the film as well as when when
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this this pilot here a guy whose name of already forgotten is sort of brought
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before con la Renta get a telling off and and that is really jokey he's funny
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like an early modern and modern jerky way who's gonna talk first you can talk
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the talk first like it was very like okay they gonna they're gonna be sexy
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but it was a real martin sass wasn't it was an old-fashioned humor it was like
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very modern speak and it was it was actually quite disorienting for a second
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that moment right there when the pilot says even talk first my get talks first
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and then I'll iran says something and then he does another joke which is that
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he says it's it's very hard to understand you with all the apparatus
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he's making fun of the of the mask this guys wearing that was one moment where I
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was thinking like oh I was a little worried at that point because it is that
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it's bad but it was a moment where everything was going great on this train
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and in my mind anyway like we hit a tiny bump and now I'm suddenly cautious again
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writes like shields up a little bit worried just again just because I want
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your watching the movie you just wanted to go so well in the experiences in the
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past have been so bad
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release I was anyway like hyper sensitive to everything that felt like
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slightly slightly off right at the beginning I was not a fan of that and I
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wasn't a fan of it on the second viewing again but this is where we will start to
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get into some of the things that I think are little bit off a little bit
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it did remove a lot of the gravitas of characters that i think is supposed to
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film I'm sure we'll talk about that but there were a couple of times with the
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humor felt like it was too much from the streets of New York and not enough from
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a long time ago in a galaxy far far away there's a few things then felt I feel
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like I can say this it felt like to american in a way and in a few moments
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in the movie was ok that's feels very American and it does it doesn't feel
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like this this other place but yeah but relative relatively minor thing
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relatively minor thing at the moment since I just talked about a moment where
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moment when I felt just sold on this movie and just really stopped thinking
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about watching the Star Wars movie and I started just watching a Star Wars movie
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yeah and this was this was when they have the introduction for the main
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character of the movie the girl ray yeah and so they there's these establishing
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shots of her and she is a scavenger on new Tatooine and she's pulling apart all
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of these ships and she has this this like I don't know how long it is maybe
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you five minute introductory scene seven minutes or so where that is totally free
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of dialogue and she's she's not saying anything the movie just showing her
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going about her her life is a scavenger and it's great because they're in the
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background their these scenes of these big ships that have crashed on
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Jaku and they don't bother explaining like how the ship's got that like who
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cares it just looks Star Wars here's this person going through the rubbish
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and there's just this little moment when she's collected up all of her stuff and
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and there's this just to my mind this pitch perfect musical that is is that
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the use throughout the movie but it's the first time you hear it I've been
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thinking about that shot I don't know why but for some reason that was just
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the moment I felt like this is really great you have injuries done at the
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bombastic here's some fight scene of their spaceships here in there like no
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you're establishing a new character you're also you're also taking your time
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in doing this you don't feel rushed very much like the earlier Star Wars movies
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which are surprisingly slow in some scenes when you watch them now this felt
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like the same thing like you taking plenty of time to do it and then on top
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of it you have new music but it's still feels like Star Wars and it still feels
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like this belongs right in in the movie I love the non smoking establishment of
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her as a brand new character and that was the point where I really feel like
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I'm just sitting back and just watching this movie and I'm not really nervous
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about it anymore or thinking about him watching a brand new Star Wars I'm just
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engaged with the new character who is doing things in this world like that's
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that's where I really felt sold on this establishing so much about her you know
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she's she's tecnico she's resourceful she's she's she's like muscular like
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she's action she's a she's a woman of action all the time even through that
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even through that sort of gentle breather after the action he's not used
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to so much about her in a short space of time still and watching that silent
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that are being established about her and also I don't know who that actress is
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never seen her before in anything but man I i think
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she nails that role every line in every scene I just think she just hits it
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right out of the park there's something about her that she's just so natural
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that she really feels a part of the Star Wars world unlike some other people I
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might mention later but I just thought she was she was just amazing she just
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fits so perfectly and it's one of these things that I can never quite put my
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finger on it but some some actors and actresses are just so natural on-screen
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you just feel like they are what they are and other people you feel like oh
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you're a good actor but I'm aware of you is being an actor and she was just the
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total natural so I felt like man who have you found her from the casting
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department it was just an amazing choice she was so good even just even just
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little things about in this silent introduction when they show her eating
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the bread that she's earned from from the items that she has scavenged she's
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eating that bread convincingly like a person who is really hungry and not
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doing it in an overly obvious way it's just so natural I guess this is a person
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who got less food than they were expecting from their scavenging and
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she's she's hungry and she's she's eating this and it sounds dumb to
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mention that but it's it's just a just a pleasure to watch them on screen who's
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just so so good at their job is she was really really just amazing
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on Mon lot side least here geez absolute top number one i think she's the best
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thing about the whole film yeah without a doubt that the actress is also the
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characters she does a great performance but the character so interesting and
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because their costumes great like every every every single thing about that
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character ray is is brilliant and I think she is absolutely makes the film I
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always wanted to say what she was up to when she was on screen could you imagine
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just imagine if George Lucas had to write a three-minute silence scene for
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introducing a new character how
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how unbearably awful would that be would he even try now of course not but it's
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and that's where like that just felt really great like man I am in the hands
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of a competent team was able to show me things without having to explain things
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like that they're people who are thinking about this where they show her
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writing the notches on the wall so you have some sense though she's been in
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this place for a long time you know everything about her life like you said
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you you learn this from her and she is great and and the the directing team
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even things like I just kept thinking wow there are interesting camera angles
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in this movie like they're choosing to put the camera in
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angled locations to show you a bunch of different stuff actually I realized on
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the second time around her first line of dialogue is in them is in some made up
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language right she's she's yelling at the guy who finds the the Droid BB 8900
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she's she's yelling in a in a different language and it just comes off as
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convincing as she she sounds like she does speak some other language and and
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even then she makes like a little head gesture and she should she's the Droid
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she just comes off right away as very very competent character and and and a
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great actress yes seriously Daisy Ridley's the actress's name however I
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feel like this is a moment where maybe I would take something which is on the
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dark side as as you have divided your lists let me get my dockside paper as
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well as well as my tax ID paper cuz for as much as I love lots of stuff in this
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movie showing you things without explaining it to you I feel like there
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was some writer on the team or someone who felt that there had to be lots of
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exposition that was redundant in the movie there are tons of lines in this
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movie where people say things twice or three times right in a row and it just
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really irked the heck out of me and this girl has one of those lines where she is
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she goes into town with BB 8-18 you in the silence seen we have established
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that she's obviously been there for a long time she's taking off his remarks
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on the wall
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but she says the to the Droid I know all about 180 for my family
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they'll be back I feel like these these lines like we know you're waiting for
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someone you don't need to explicitly say this out loud and I just like they were
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a bunch of lines were someone would just say things several times over and over
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again and I just found that kind of your eating like the exposition dial in
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dialogue was was turned up way too many times I gotta have a couple notes for
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similar similar lines were someone else later in the movie says the Droid is in
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the hands of your father Hans solo it again now we know we got it right we got
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it but you don't you have to say it twice that everybody in the movie knows
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what you're talking about I meet people don't always pay attention and if things
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are really important you gonna make sure they know them they're cut the times I
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agree I think I don't think her putting notches on the wall of her of her home
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or if she was immediately said to me she was waiting for something we did need to
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be told she was waiting for people to come back with but they are real they
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visit that later in the movie later in the lobby where they do it like it's not
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necessary to do right now you have some sense you have some sense of this
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already and I think it'd be more powerful leader if you don't like hammer
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it home and you know and then lined a great in the beginning when someone is
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talking to Kyle 0 ran away and he says over the first-order rose from the
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darkside you did not write telling us the color and didn't start out evil then
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his very next line is you can't deny the origin of your family is ok but you
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could have stopped did you did not like we understand he didn't start out on the
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dark side you don't have to like super hammered in I think my favorite my
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favorite example of this is is down at the very end they mention someone that
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the pilot guy has a line about it's it's destroying the Sun right in when the Sun
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is when the Sun is gone then the other weapon as ready as I okay that's a great
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line he says so as long as it's light out we still have a chance attacking you
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did you just said that like you just said that line with your previous line
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that that's probably one of things just irritated me the most is feeling like
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there were lots of these lines for people who like
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really trying to make sure that you following along and I understand what
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movies do that but I just don't know if you like you I always one less
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exposition then there are movies and this movie felt like they were a few
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really egregious lines of of exposition I agree with that someone later in the
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film I thought that was that was later a bit thick but I also think the fact you
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saw this film twice in three days is contributing to that and I think it's
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definitely not because that was that was I have fun looking on on my screen
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working on my screen the two sets of notes that I have which was the first
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reaction notes and my first reaction notes has a big thing saying there's 22
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much as 20% too much exposition and I wrote down that line about light and
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made a note from future me to find some of the other lines because the first
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time I watched it I felt like there's just too much of this is too much of
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this I mean I've heard you complain about this with other films to them as
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well you know i think i think you know everyone pays close to pay close
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attention so I feel about the same way but not everyone pays close attention I
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was a bit too much about but I don't think at like crippled the film and and
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I need the gym no I don't I don't think so either but it's one of the things I
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like when you're really enjoying the movie I just find that stuff like sticks
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in his stick side as this would be a better movie it without this yeah that's
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also do you have something from your dark side list that you want to mention
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something this semi related and almost funny that this is this kind of almost
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goes against what you said and that is I felt like this film like a a big
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complaint about the terrible terrible prequels is that they completely
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abandoned sort of characters and interesting counties and they
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concentrated on this boring politics and this is this big the match the Metro
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story of what's going on in the galaxy I feel like this film went very very far
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in the other direction to the point where I kinda didn't understand the big
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picture very much and therefore I didn't really care
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about some of the things that were going on like who's in charge of the galaxy
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now and that that planet they blew up I I sort of had the impression that the
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bad guys the empire had sort of had retained control after Return of the
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Jedi but then these bad guys with their stock of blowing up is that the planet
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with the Senate on it they just blew up so it is the zip code is as the military
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take over the government and let and hang on so princess Leia's like still a
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rebel so there is still rebels so the bad guys are still in control so why
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they why do they play that up and and lots and lots of the stuff happening at
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the higher level like the big the big politics I was completely bamboozled by
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and therefore I was finding it hard to sort of like a those guys with the stock
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cooler bad so obviously a play that thing up but who's in charge but what's
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going on there was there was a lot of the macro was lost on me I was very
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engaged with the micro but the big picture was lost to me and therefore for
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example at the end of a new hope you just want that Death Star blown up so
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bad you know you know how bad is you know who's good you know who's bad this
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this attack is the culmination but by the end of force awakens it's a bit like
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you care about the star killer thing and therefore this big siege at the end when
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I fly unemployed up it's a bit like yeah I can see why your blood that bad but it
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wasn't it wasn't God thank God it's gone it's gone it's gone the Death Star was
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gonna blow up every plan and the Galaxy it was really feel it is Starkiller on
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like we win next ok what what massive spherical planet destroying device that
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they're gonna be a next whistle blew up a similar thing in my first reaction
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notes that I was I was thinking oh did I miss something here because I had a note
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about the first-order Senate resistance question mark and my feeling was I don't
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understand the relationship between these three entities and you know when
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I'm what when I was first watching the movie it was ok I'm just going along
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with this we have we have obviously the bad guys and obviously the good guy
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guys but as soon as the star killer came online it did immediately drawn to my
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attention like wait I don't actually understand what's going on because this
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resistance seems separates from the senate it doesn't it doesn't seem like
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they are connected and when I was watching a movie a second time I was
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trying to pay attention they did I miss online like something explaining
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something here and we really know and there's actually a line that made me
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even more confused because when the when the evil general is giving his big
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speech about how we're going to destroy that senate he makes he makes some
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remark i wish i I caught it the exact remark but he makes some remark that
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it's the lead me to believe that there is some formal separation between the
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senate and the resistance he makes remarkable how ago that the senate is
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you know is lying about something about the resistance and then it's ok now this
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is really unclear the relationship between these entities like i presume
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that the senate is running the Galaxy now and then the first order is the
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remnants of the empire with incredible resources like oh don't mind us with our
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terror but then like where the rebellion fits into that is very confusing to me
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that like if you are not the area where the resistance in the give you are not
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the army of the senate like I'm I am confused now like you're in it you
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princess Lalla how are you connected to all of this is that felt weird the film
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would have made more sense if the resistance princess layer and the people
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with the ex wings was the military branch of the Senate but then they would
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no longer be underdogs they would be part of the establishment and you'd lose
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that whole dynamic so for some reason they've made them to some sort of
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splinter freedom fighters when when it doesn't really logically may make sense
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i mean because who they're resisting this first order lunch like you know the
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enemy that the outsiders or are they all are
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I actually had the impression that the first order was the military branch of
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the the Senate but the government and that gone bad you know because they've
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got an army that was confusing it remains confusing to me it remains
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confusing I'm sure there are answers to all these me extended universe like all
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of us like I don't really care I'm just watching this movie and I'm curious but
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the things in the universe of the movie but yeah I did think it was it was weird
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and a weird dynamic is like you want both of these sides to be underdogs they
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don't it's it's strange if it was a bit strange it's a it's a minor complaint
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but it is definitely one of the things I think of is the mark of a good movie is
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that the more you think about the movie the more the movie rewards you for
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thinking about it and bad movies are the kind of movies where you have to say I
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movie just don't think about it because if you think about it all you know it
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all just falls to pieces right and it doesn't work at all and I definitely
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have found myself thinking about the Star Wars movie a lot which is great but
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this is one of those moments was like don't don't think about the connection
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between these three entities too much I don't don't think about it because it
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it's it's it causes a little bit of a problem and it's not really explained so
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it's I think it's interesting that you picked up on that as as well I thought
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the character of skin
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this is asked a stormtrooper turned turned hero was also really good also
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super strong you know from that moment we see in the trailer where his head
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pops up and he looks like he's overreacting a little bit I'm thinking
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I'll know what have they done again I really liked him I really like to I
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really cared about him and that's that's the that's the most important thing is
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that you care about care about because he was I thought he put in a good
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performance there were 10 times I think he pushed the credibility of what that
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superlative characters say the rate character but I thought he was really
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to you know what will happen with their relationship so I thought another real
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asset to the film you know I think that I think they've done really well they're
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totally with their two most important characters on the hero side of things
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role that he plays in the movie but he would he was one of the the actors were
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you're not there are a bunch of lines that he gives in the movie that I felt
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little bit to american and he was one of these things that there were moments
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with you you sound very American
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in a few of these scenes but a bit off again it just it's it's so hard they can
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watching movie is it so hard to pin down why things are different because
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Harrison Ford shows up in this movie and he talks and he's obviously American and
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he actually is American and it doesn't it doesn't feel that way but the guy
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playing Finn had a few lines I just feel like this is out of place that's what I
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old stormtrooper boss towards the end of the film
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me now sort of that kind of calm in charge of charge I mean that was that
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of the film for a for a few seconds so there yet that that's why wasn't you
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know that's why I said it wasn't as perfect a sort of the rain go away I
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don't remember ever being ever been now I know she's but she's Pittsburgh the
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whole way through but I think it's not even the lines that he has to deliver
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which sometimes they're hard sometimes but it's the way he delivers them it's
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it's his accent in his way of speaking feel like clunky lines and i ended up
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looking him up because I wanted to know if I think she's my suspicions about
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this I found out he's actually English he went to school in london keyes other
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person I have no idea who he is
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which for a Star Wars movie by the way is the right way to go you don't wanna
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have very obvious known characters are very obvious known actors in your Star
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that's a really hard job to do
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unknowns were relative unknowns we're also really good but he is English maybe
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it was because he is obviously trying to hide his English accent in the movie
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because maybe they don't want their two main characters do have the same accent
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which is quite reasonable but I wonder if that's why some of his his lines of
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dialogue just feel really really clunky to me when he delivers them as I go
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you're you're not using a natural voice are trying to put on an accent and your
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accent sounds very American but maybe because it's not exactly American is why
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it feels off and weird sometimes so my feeling is is he was fine but i ik I
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would not say that he was great like I really like the character but I don't
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think that the actor did a perfect job with with what he was with what he was
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given speaking of people sending americans let's come under Carrie Fisher
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for a minute I don't know what's happened with her voice but she has sort
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of an odd voice now and she sounded her she sounded distractingly American to me
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like really strong I don't know what her accent is what part of america's from
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Harrison Ford lots of people have American accents and nothing of the sort
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of India's fishes Jackson her voice has changed in such a way over the years
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that she her voice really distracted me i i had real problems with with her she
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sounded character Carrie Fisher has been through quite a rough time since the
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Star Wars movies in this galaxy and that galaxy
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time so it is not surprising that her her voice sounds shockingly different
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sounds like no sound like someone who's been through a rough time it is weird
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because when she did first come on camera I found her distracting as well
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as a few you look very different and you sound very different and I find you
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quite distracting again in a way that I just I was impressed by how did not
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distracting old Harrison Ford was I was expecting it to be a bit oh god that's
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off-camera as fast as possible but I think he did a great job and then he was
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really believe I think they gave him too much action work today I think he I
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think that when he's running around on that freighter when those monsters are
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on the loose
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he's really lumbering like I'm thinking there's no way you're going to get away
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from those monsters like you are to be much longer and it's it's it's low
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hanging fruit on these people for being a bit wooden now but I think he was too
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old for some of the things he was being us today and it was a few times I was
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thinking fella don't make it don't make him run there someone going aside from
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that that monster sequence when they're on the spaceship and the monsters get
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loose which for me might be the low point of the film is that monster
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sequence totally agree that whole sequence up on that ship was was was
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definitely the the low ebb it is the low sequence because ok so what's happening
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in the movie at this point right is that our main characters have escaped with
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the Millennium Falcon and Harrison Ford finds them and brings the Millennium
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Falcon on board his ship and there is just this convoluted sequence that the
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end result is like luxuries we want movie we want Harrison Ford back on the
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Millennium Falcon
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everybody wants that harrison ford wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon she
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wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon everybody wants wants to get
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there and it seems to me like you know what you can do movie you could just
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just have Han Solo be really happy that he's found the Millennium Falcon again
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and just fly away on it just abandon his current ship which makes reference to
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his being too big for him to fly anyway because he doesn't have enough of the
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crew like just have him leave but instead there is this very long sequence
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where you know whatever it is that these people that Harrison Ford has had past
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dealings with a land on the ship and there's like an argument and then
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there's monsters escape all of this is just to get him on the Millennium Falcon
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and if I don't
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agree with you there were a few things that needed new chief to that point in
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the film I do agree that they took the wrong way and they could have done it
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much simpler with you know they could not handle of different ways they did
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have to establish that he has spent a long time away as a smuggler he's back
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on the smuggling track right and he'd been and he's been doing it for a while
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cause these double-crossed so many people so he's not just away from layer
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for 10 minutes he's like he's out on the loose again on his own he's out getting
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cigarettes or anything it's been it's been years and we also had to find a
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mechanism for word to get back to the First Republic that Han Solo has the
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Droid so there has to be someone to tell on him so someone has to know this so
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there there were a few little things that have to happen but here I could
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have been done a lot quicker and easier than this very non Star Wars moment of
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this of these monsters roaming around the ship join a global everyone up it
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was felt like pac-man frankly these these these circular monsters are
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rolling around the hallway eating everybody like the pellets and the
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monsters are exactly the right size of all of the hallways in the spaceship
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like me if you made your always two feet shorter bigger problem anywhere let's
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get to be lucky for the video games and you know what
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menu just nailed on the head that feel like a sequence that it really does it's
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also when the kind of thing that happens in movies are just really annoys me
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happens which is you see these monsters with their tentacles grab and eat all of
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these peripheral smugglers who were on board but then when one of the monsters
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gradstein our main character
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the magic of the script protects him from being eaten immediately and
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suddenly the monster decide the column full I'm just gonna run away with this
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person instead of just eating him as you would expect as you would expect the
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month to do and I always feel like that's just cheap oh you've changed the
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rules so that your main character is perfectly fine I have to say I quite I
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really quite liked again because her character is perfect in every way I love
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the fact that Ray doesn't try to fight the monster or find him like she's smart
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enough to go look at the surveillance
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and try to time it with closing the door on the tentacles I love that whole thing
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and I super love that she doesn't bother to explain that she's saved his ass when
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they get up again when it when when the door closes that was lucky and they keep
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moving I love that little that little moment because her humility as well as
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humor and yes but it's not even a humility it's a kind of pragmatism
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pragmatism we gotta keep moving right there's no time to explain this even if
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I want to take credit like not now I will talk about it later over beer or
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something but we gotta go to get out of here now that I think about it that I
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don't know if I'm reading too much into it but that doesn't have a nice occur
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later in the film doesn't know when they come and save her and he doesn't say it
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was my idea to come and save you it's chilly that tells her so it's almost
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like but thats comes back doesn't he could have he could have said Jerry want
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to save you and taken some credit but he didn't and someone else did it for him
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yeah yeah it is it is it is a little bit of an echo but I I don't know if it's
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intentional but I'm still gonna say that that whole sequence it is the part where
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it feels like ok I'm on my second watch through you know as soon as all the
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monsters escape the perfect time to go the battery back when this chase
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sequences over even the shift in Felixstowe will ship it felt like it was
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like my alien or something and it just it was it was it was a node is not part
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of it was it was a strange part 1 the sportswear imagine that people do the
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the recut you know they would cut it down to be much shorter I did like the
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Millennium Falcon going into hyperspace with the monster suck sucking on the
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front of it I couldn't wait to see what would happen as they fired up the
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engines couldn't wait to see what they did to what was going to happen to it
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that is an example of things are better when they just happen but you don't
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focus on it so that is not a dramatic shot of the monster getting just plowed
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through by the Millennium Falcon you just can't see it in the background as
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does mouth that is over the front of the ship and then it separates so you know
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what's happened you know they're just right through it
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and i just i love that kind of stuff in movies like don't over focused on it
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it's better if you just have a thing happen but don't give me all of these
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mention complain about things
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much better than expected I was a little worried from the trailer like here's a
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robot that's made for toys but a holy crap is BB ate a horrible he's
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absolutely adorable in every scene and I am totally sold on the decision to have
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his little head rotate atop the ball body because when you watch it you
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realize man this so much
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animation as possible compared to something like r2d2
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you feel a lot of emotion from r2d2 you have a sense of him as a character but
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BBA is able to remote through motion in a way that r2d2 c3po really isn't like
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they are so much more limited in their movement but his ability to swirl his
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little head around and and look in different directions it gives him such a
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character and he is no cute cute such a softy gray tell you talk when you're
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playing with Audrey when they're in the Millennium Falcon just shortly before
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Han Solo arrives there is a scene that to me it pushes the edge of things but
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but comes just short of going over my threshold for it but i i think maybe my
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favorite little sequence in the movie is Wednesday and confesses to BB 8 that
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he's not really part of the resistance gotta gotta go with me on this one I
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can't we just can't you just tell us whether rebel bases and I just think
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it's something that's really cute about that moment and I absolutely love winter
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in gives him the thumbs-up and BB 8 sticks out his little lighter thing and
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gives it a little a little his imitation of a thumbs-up that is right on the edge
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of something that I would be if the movie was done less well but it just
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came in under and I totally love that little sequence I i join the sequence I
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think the little cigarette lighter thumbs up it was stretching it and maybe
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that just just put a toke over the line for half a second game
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everything came before it gives it cause it is a funny it is a funny little
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exchange between the two is definitely a subjective moment like for you it's
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slightly over the edge and for me it is fairly under
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has barely under but it is saved by the fact that again it is so fast it is just
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a split second that he does the little later thing and pulls it right back in
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you know they focused on it too long is now this is no good but I absolutely
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love that that was that was really great
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some of the big things what did you think about new Vader Tyler ran I liked
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him I thought I like too many was menacing with his mask I thought he he
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was cool looking not over the top he looked like he looked real lucky look
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like they were trying to make something that looked amazing they were just
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making a quiet cool and standard villain when he was out of the mask and being
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like you know just the dude I thought he was close to being a little beer young
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Anakin Skywalker windy but he just he just acted well enough to get away get
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away with a chance I like to I like him as a human as well I loved his temp I
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love that he kept his lightsaber out and having his temper tantrums I like that
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about him and I like that became his like but that moment with the storm
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troopers walk around the corner and they realize he's having another one of these
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tensions in this kind of back away was like one of the funniest bits of the
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film was the thing that makes them forming as hell though the one storm
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trooper put out his hand to stop the other one in the way to give a couples
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walking along the street and wonder this is something that the other one doesn't
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because they're talking about your hand to stop the other person than just a
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little humanizing moment as you can imagine they're having some conversation
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in their head communicators or whatever it is like a way to meet a buddy this
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before we got official somewhere else right now so I did like him I'll say
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something about the the final battle about it at the end though but I like to
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do you like him I thought he was really well done and the thing that I kept
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thinking which I was amazed by any case it's just the difference that competence
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is that this new Vader is an angst evader which is exactly the thing that
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everybody complains about in the prequels that the actual Darth Vader is
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an angsty kinda teenage character and the Chi Lorraine character feels that
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he's he is in that same genre like his temper tantrums later in the movie I
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think it's interesting that when the key is in a battle and he's really upset
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he's I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice is suddenly very different
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it's like he's lost control over projecting menace rate and he's he's
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much more closer to a screeching edge of things are mostly you would expect a
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teenager to be but it works it works and I think the reason it works is because
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the actor and the costume are still able to project menace and I think the first
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time he flips out is a really key scene when when there's always in Star Wars
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like you don't want to be the officer who has to report to the darkside guy
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that's not that nobody wants that job right now it's a terrible job much
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throat choking in that situation but the first time you go through this very Star
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Wars scene where the officer has to say oh we've lost the Droid and I think it's
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great because it is stabbed wishes him is being really menacing that he he
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trashes the console in front of him and then when the officer gives this
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additional piece of information it's such a great shot of him using the force
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to do not just force choke the guy but to pull him across the room to like
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inches in front of his face and it's that kind of thing that gives it it
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gives it menace and so it feels like ok he's not just throwing a tantrum because
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things haven't gone his way is a he is furious and upset but he is also
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dangerous and I think the actor actor does it really well and I kept looking
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at the costume which I thought was a really great comparison to later because
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it's so
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slender in many ways like he he is a slender guy he doesn't have the same
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kind of huge physical presence the Darth Vader does and I think that's a really
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good choice for doing something that is similar but you have the same kind of
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Darth Vader's feel but it is it's not the same and I just thought he looked
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great in a lot of those scenes as much more slender character he's even just
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wearing like this relatively light rope that doesn't even go all the way around
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him it's just it was a great visual look and I also thought the voice was done
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very well it was his his his voice over the way he spoke
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reminiscent of Vater but not a mimicry and I think it was it was also done
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really well that it it sounded like oh this is almost like a side effect of the
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kinds of helmets that all of these people wear because I was aware that
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when he spoke for the first time very shortly after they have the the female
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general start stormtrooper talk and her voice is also distorted in kind of a
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similar way and as his I feel like it almost establishes like oh he's not
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doing the Darth Vader impression they're all just talking through helmets that
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distort their voice and maybe it's the avid audio plugin they use all of these
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people sound like this and I think that's a good choice to very soon
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here and other character who sounds somewhat similar to him like it or not
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doing a Darth Vader voice this is just what storm stormtrooper helmets are like
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and he has a custom one I love that his mass blood was a bit dinged up well as
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well like it was just the mask look lived in a distro it was it was perfect
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I was really aware of that too that there were a few dings on the on the
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front the front faceplate that this is perfect this feels like a real universe
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think this is a guy who has used this mask over the course of time and it's
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it's a real thing that has been around for a long time it is not straight from
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the prop department even though it obviously is say the new the new coaches
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are doing well what about the ok as I I mentioned I thought I was a bit
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embarrassed by chance i load times
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aside from the weird action sequence on that that spaceship I felt mostly the
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script was actually pretty good and having him not do too much again if you
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put that one action sequences side there's not much to say how many shots
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of him running around he's in there were few there are a few where he's like
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shoot his blaster and being a hero and I'm thinkin yeah when shooting your
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blaster in being a hero is very different from running really don't show
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an old man running for the most part I think that's a good decision that he he
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is there he is doing things the one that to me is over the line is when he
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doesn't even look and shoots a stormtrooper that to me was like I'm
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hitting the no buzzer on that one
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you should cut that half second because because how is that even possible right
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is he just lucky going back again to think it think about something like the
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the scene earlier in the movie when rain and Finn are escaping on new Tatooine in
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the Millennium Falcon which is a great great fight sequence and she's flying
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from the inside of one of the crash star destroyers and the gun get stuck and she
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pulls on this amazing maneuver where she know she flies through and and shuts off
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the engine at just the right moment and turns the whole ship to line up the gun
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with Thai fighter so that finding the back and shoot the gun and hit think
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that that's seen in a Star Wars movie is believable because it's conveying to you
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immediately that she is more sensitive
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no one could pull off that maneuver like Han Solo couldn't have pulled off a
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maneuver she's only able to do it because she is special I feel like a
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game that that is again like the movie is telling you something about this
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character is done really well we're as Han Solo just shooting a stormtrooper
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without looking behind his back feels like it just feels done there's no
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reason for it to happen it doesn't make any sense in the context of the movie
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and after me it's it's over the line and I would if I always get out there like
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no jeje abrams we're just gonna cut this it's it's two seconds it adds nothing
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it's not actually that funny and it's a bit out of place
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you bring up the Millennium Falcon I wasn't entirely pleased with the use of
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the Millennium Falcon I thought they got a little bit comic book cartoonish with
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it at times one of the things I like about this is a sort of feels a bit like
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it obeys the laws of physics and you know if you're if you if you if your
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plane crashes into a forest that's like bad rights and I feel like I feel at the
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Millennium Falcon survived scrapes and landing incidents that the shuttle now
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bagged up old ship so shouldn't survive and it was performing maneuvers that it
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shouldn't be performing I thought the time when Ray flew on Dzeko was such an
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amazing saying and so much fun that I kind of a kind of forgave the amazing
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nimbleness it was showing flying inside a Star Destroyer I forgave that yeah and
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and you point out showed that she said she had something special about her that
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she could do that very implausible move of turning it off and turning it on
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right before the impossibility is a plot point as opposed to just something that
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is happening whereas seconds earlier when she tries to take off and it its
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matches against the ground and then smashes into a building I agree with you
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it feels like is there physics here because I'm pretty sure that things
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should have been torn to pieces
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the landing on the sly planner and coming out of hyperspace so close to a
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plan and then landing on the planet the way they did like that just that was
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like ok this is like this is not believable I didn't I didn't like that
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and it also didn't feel necessary of a kind of saved why they did it with the
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snow planet because otherwise you landed on the snow plan it would be like what
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is then is there has been no freakiness required to get there
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the movie won some reason why they and only vacant land and this maneuver is
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the reason but it doesn't make sense when you think about it too long
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yes I I don't think like it was all this talk about how you know thank goodness
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Lucas didn't destroy the millennium pakistanis prequels and
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and James will treat it with care and respect it deserves
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I don't think it was treated with care and respect it deserves and I thought it
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became it was used to match and it was used
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into into his silly ways and I think it didn't do justice to the to the great
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lady of the skies I get I can definitely agree with you there like the crash
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landing in the forest it feels like I remember in a previous movie when ever
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so slightly bumping against the inside of a Death Star ripped off a vital
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component are we not in that same universe now we can just smash straight
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through trees and it's fine it just seemed it does seem a little bit does
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seem a little bit too much but speaking speaking of for sensitivity there is one
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thing in the movie that then I really feel very strongly about is just a
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terrible terrible mistake and it is near the end of his fans lightsaber battle
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with our new character Tyler on yet and when I first watched the movie I really
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didn't like this scene and I thought maybe I'm being too hard on it let me
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watch a closer and in the second watching and I hate it even more on the
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second rewatching I think nothing about that scene makes any sense it shouldn't
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happen it's bad for both characters I just I love that lightsaber seems so
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much is just the two of them in the forest before so this is yes this is
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Vinh vs Chi lo ran in the forest its snowing which by the way on the
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lightsaber fights in the in the snow in forest beautiful scene I love that they
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get just it looks gorgeous let me say that is it's it's phenomenal but
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haha why on earth can fin use a lightsaber competently it again against
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someone who's already shown as he's pretty handy with the full yeah I know
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he's injured by getting shot by chilly but it was still I think the movie was
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trying to do because there was one done seen which actually makes me think of
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indiana Jones which is the first time venues
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the lightsaber is whether they visited the the man's character there on that
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forest planets and the storm troopers have landed and he's out there he's
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unarmed he has only the lightsaber
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ok that's reasonable he's going to have to use a lightsaber in a situation
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because he doesn't have a gun fair enough so he goes out to the field he
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kills a stormtrooper but then another storm trooper in this in this moment
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which made me laugh a little bit wasn't supposed to this other stormtrooper sees
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him recognizes him goes trader and does this weird like throw down gesture where
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he just drops whatever the heck is he's carrying can't even tell what it's
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supposed to be on screen
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and then he pulls out some kind of big electric baton to like wait a minute why
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isn't this like Indiana Jones why don't you
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stormtrooper just shoot him you like you have a gun while he's not going to be
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able to deflect votes like Luke Skywalker yes he's not he's not a Jedi
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you know he's not a Jedi
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that fight scene was so dumb it's also really confusing because it was about
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selling Tony Abbott what is this what is this weapon this storm trooper has that
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is a melee weapon that light sabers can't cut through that you have this
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weapon that is can go up against a lightsaber ok that's very interesting
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and quite notable for thing that you're just going to casually have happen but
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what I think the movie was trying to establish their
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in the dumbest way possible had for some bizarre reason storm troopers have long
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sword combat training that this is a thing that they have like I think that's
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what the movie is trying to establish as setting it up for the lightsaber scene
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at the end low will call me dumb maybe I did need some exposition their way he
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says boy that's or training I've had over cause I completely missed that I
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mean I don't know if it's intentional but that's that's my guess about what
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the movie is trying to tell you but it's just implausible I i dont members of the
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UN's armed forces I would love to know that I'm pretty sure that they train you
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with guns and I'm pretty sure that they would train you in hand-to-hand combat
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don't imagine there's a lot of fencing training going on in the USSR me and it
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would make no sense for storm troopers to have that kind of training but OK
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even giving this ridiculous premise that they're doing long sword fights at
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stormtrooper Academy why on earth can he hold his own against Kyllo ran in a
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lightsaber fight for even a fraction of a second
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well enough ink on Iran's engine is in it that's what we're supposed to take
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the men they keep emphasizing their cause he keeps like touching his wounds
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and things so
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I think they're trying to somehow justify it by saying this guy's right
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he's you know he's right down on power mode we know that that's what they're
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trying to do and then they're overly emphasizing that he is injured because
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she shot him
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button loosen the key is still clearly force capable why is this fight even
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occurring why doesn't he just choked to death
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here's the way the scene in my mind has to go it has to be a bit like the
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Emperor at the end of the original trilogy who is electrocuting Luke and
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he's electrocuting Luke because they're showing you like the Emperor is really
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cruel and he gets enjoyment out of being cruel accuse you know he's not he's not
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actually trying to kill Luke and it's taking a long time because the Emperor
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is really bad with his lightning hands and he's he's doing it intentionally
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really and soda me this this scene in the end the only way this this scene can
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play out is if Kyle 0 Ren is just intentionally being cruel to fit in but
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they I was watching you really closely like they play it as though it is a real
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fight as though finn has some chance of winning and fan even land a blow right
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heel hands of blow on Carlo ran and and I'm sending now this is book like this
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this storm trooper he would just get his ass handed to him no matter how wounded
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Tyler Ennis like this should not be a fight and it irritates me because if you
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like it diminishes other lightsaber fights and it diminishes raised
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competence in using the lightsaber moments later any stormtrooper can just
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pick up a lightsaber and hold off hold their own for a little while against a
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very poor sense of individual no no you shouldn't even have Mughals using
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seen it is it is that light saber fight I just irritates me your teeth me a lot
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again because ray and the actors and like that seen with the two of them
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fighting is a great scene in the thing that's actually irritating about it is
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that when you watch that fight Kyllo ran when he goes up against Ray she is on
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the defensive for most of that fight but he is really pushing her back she is
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running and she is barely holding her own for most of that you see that's not
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my memory of my mind I mean you've seen it twice so you're right but my memory
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of that whole us actually I was disappointed by how strong she was from
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the start I actually found that implausible that someone who's only just
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discovered her for sensitivity and has never even switched on a lifesaver
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before I know she's gotta stick but it was so good luck I thought I thought
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that was implausible the whole finding kinda passed me by Audrey pay attention
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but I thought I thought the spanking she gave Carlo read was implausible I
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thought she should just scraped by in that fight that I thought she was
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dominant the way the fight plays out is that for the first half of it he is
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pushing her back and she is running and she's she's running away from him he
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corners her and the end he has little moment where he offers her training
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course and pushes the lightsaber up against righties pushing the lightsaber
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against her and then presumably she does a little like force meditation thing for
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a moment and gathers upper strength and that's when she then pushes back against
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him which I agree that it's not my favorite thing in a movie where
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character he's suddenly much more competent but it's ok I will let this go
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but but that's why when she first picked up that lightsaber she's being much more
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like a normal person who would be using it as a shield to deflect from incoming
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blues and trying to put distance between themselves and like this for as wielding
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maniac with his lightsaber you know but it is all he's perfectly capable in a
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fight so that's what I just didn't it didn't like that at all
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tell you what i don't i don't mean to get all mushy but that's saying when the
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lightsaber comes out of the snow towards bypasses him and goes into her head and
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then a little bit of Star Wars music place that check that checked me out
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there was great I was absolutely I was like i was thinkin that was like that
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was that was the emotional part the film was not bad I love it was a very it was
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a very Star Wars shot very very much a Star Wars feeling was one of your big
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bullet points at you when we gonna do with some of the really big things here
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that whether it's ok let's do with one of the biggest things about and that is
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the really obvious obvious way in which the force awakens and has incredible
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coincidence as with the first yeah I mean you've got you've got the desert
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plans and then you've got that person meeting up with him so low and she
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backer and having some adventures and then you've got the big siege on the on
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the big spherical planet destroy at the end I mean it was the movie should be
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called Star Wars a new hope to yeah it was it was almost like a reboot in some
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Jedi and new hope in kind of match them together but it was almost because it
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was like and I'm not saying this is a bad thing maybe this is a good thing but
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it's almost like there's only one story to be told
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like Robin Hood that's that's how many ways can you tell the Robin Hood story
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is that is that what is that what we like about it is this is this is this is
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a remake rather than a sequel it's an interesting question because the movie
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is remarkably close to a route that reboot or remake
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I was gonna say almost embarrassingly so but I don't mean it in a way that the
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film and it's not embarrassing but almost like it's like a big elephant in
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the room it's like it's like you want to turn to the person next to say he saying
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this are you noticing history because this is exactly what happens and it's
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just different people acting up yeah it's always different people have
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different have some of the same people there admiral a car how are you doing I
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guess your fish species lives a remarkably long time ok there's a bunch
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of that which is is it's so it's so similar it's it's quite remarkable it's
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quite remarkable the force moves in mysterious ways maybe it's so what do
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you think do you think that's ok well obviously I do cause I liked the film
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it's kind of an original but maybe I just don't mind that I mean I could
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watch I could watch ten different robin hood movies you know I love you know out
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classic tales around classic tales and send Star Wars original trilogy has
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become an old classic timeless become a myth and we love watching a miscarry
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versions time and time again and maybe that's maybe that's what's happening
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before our eyes here it's sort of a revision of the myth with a few of the
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things that's weird is it so obviously connects with the original as well you
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know they talk they reference the original films obviously you know what
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happened back in the day so
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that's that's where that line becomes very blurred but it's kind of like did
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you not have a new story like did you just could not think of a new story did
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you deliberately use the old story aid are you doing it because you think that
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would tap into a nostalgia are you doing it because you think this is maybe the
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way the force works and there's this kind of poetry it runs things going on I
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mean I don't I don't know I don't know if that's your little reference there is
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precisely what I was thinking through watching the whole movie the first time
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is in the red letter media reviews of the prequel movies they have a couple of
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shots of George Lucas behind the scenes saying this line about how he wants the
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prequels to be like poetry and to rhyme with the original trilogy that he thinks
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it's okay for similar things to happen because this is his idea of storytelling
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and red letter media really just slams him on this just again and again because
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it's just terrible those movies absolutely terrible and so I was
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watching watching this movie and thinking I kept hearing Lucas in my head
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going it's like poetry it runs this time I am ok with his father isn't it
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bothered me a little bit on the first watching but today when I want you to
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second time which now means I mean how many times have I seen a story where a
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gigantic planet rowing machine blows up in my life
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many many times and on the second watch through it it bothered me much much less
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I couldn't even really think about how this is exactly like a new hope again
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and it's just a thing again goes to the the lesson high competence makes all the
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difference does it really matter what the story is any story can be
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interesting if competently executed and a great story can be terrible if poorly
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executed now what I wonder though is why I think this has to have been a
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deliberate decision that they were going to essentially redo a new hope that cut
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not have noticed but i think is this is probably
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probably a good decision if you know you have competent people on board because I
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mean we now have Disney owns the intellectual property to start wars and
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so we know that there will be no shortage of Star Wars films in the
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Disney has made remarks about this damn plans to do big movies and small movies
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very much like the way the Marvel universe is unfolding in in movies and
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TV shows now so there's going to be a lot more Star Wars and I think it's it's
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fine for this one to be a kind of remake of the older movies establishing that
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Star Wars feeling like yes people like that are more inclined to like this
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movie because its matching up with things that we know you already like its
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fine as long as from here on the feel that they can do more different things
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so if the next movie starts out on an ice planet and someone gets frozen in
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carbonite halfway through then I'll be concerned then I'll be like ok I see
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where this is going and I like it a lot less but but my feeling on this is
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you've established this Star Wars II feeling with a new characters with new
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characters and you cast a new world and it's going on and we're going to
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continue from here
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don't like the prequels myself included always say they use of you know robbed
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me of the glory of these films that I loved when I was a child I think in some
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ways this film has robbed me of even more interesting because the final say
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in return of the Jedi is a very pleased burned into the memory of any young
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person isn't that there around the fire there happy the empire is vanquished
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you're full of hope and your imagination can run wild of Luke Skywalker becoming
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this great Jedi and happily ever after and had a layer of finally together
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forever like we always wanted them to pay and everything
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everything's gonna be good and now we know that that's not what happened later
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became estranged hand was due to die this terrible death some point in the
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future in these terrible terrible circumstances we know that Luke went off
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the rails and became this crazy unhappy so it's like all of that niceness I have
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at the end of the chain of the Jedi where I can stream of dream about what
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happened next and come away with this warm feeling is gone now like now
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whenever I watch that final scene Return of the Jedi
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look at them around the fire and go if you guys know what's coming next you
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would look so happy that is such a brady way to look at the end of a movie just
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sitting there thinking everything's going to be great from now on when I
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watch when I watch the end of July I I feel I can feel happy for them having
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won this battle but I always had the feeling of cicada what what happens next
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and what I don't expect to happen next is just a party on Endor for all of high
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Return of the Jedi isn't supposed to be another yet another battle one it's the
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end of the war the first two films are a series of battles they they win a battle
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they lose a battle they weren't about to lose about you and then at the very end
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they win the war and that is what is so beautiful everything
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everything has you know that's what's so warm about the end of this series but
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now we learned no they didn't it was just another battle another bloody star
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planet blowing up things gets bill yet again they've got a jump in their ex
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wings and shooting in its magic belly button where you can blow it up is this
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just gonna happen for all of eternity blow-up blah podesta build another one
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block and esta build another one to borrow a phrase from other franchise all
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of this has happened before and all of this will happen again that that that is
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a little bit that feeling but that's also why as we mentioned before I
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actually do find the absence of the macro it's a bit of a problem for this
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movie because it does feel like what happened after that that ending in Jedi
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in now what government is going on I really do think that that is a bit of a
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missing connecting piece and I am I am fine and expect the notion that there is
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continued adversity in the future but there is there is a disconnect between
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what happened then and and what happened now why is laying in this resistance as
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opposed to the other government that that for me is the problem I can
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understand what you're saying that you feel like you have been robbed of the
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happy ending from the from the end of the movie but I i don't i don't
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necessarily have to have that same feeling I don't get me wrong I can and I
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would rather have the force awakens than nothing because you know we straying
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into Godfather three territory here do you know I've never seen any of the
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movies for a very long time and then when I finally did I was like oh my god
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what did I do this years ago so maybe that's a maybe that's an assignment for
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another day but that the future show would do that the night we do a chick
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anyway so I mean you know the Godfather three famously is this third movie that
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a lot of people which wasn't mad cause the first two are so perfect and yes
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even I have ever seen the Godfather movies I know that this is the
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reputation of God yeah but you know I think he's still a really good film and
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would I rather have a third film just say there's another one I can wash or
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would I prefer they never touched this sacred cow of the first two films and
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maybe that's the case here but I think after the prequels are made for
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selection was almost needed to sort of to save face to cleanse the womb but
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would it be better
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would it be better if we could go back in time that we just had those first
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ancillary stuff would have been nice untouched little nostalgic perfect thing
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and the more interesting question if you ask yes would you rather have the
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original three and nothing else I mean obviously if you could erase the
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prequels from existing you would but is the prequels
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paying the price of the prequels is that worth it to get what is coming in the
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times but with many many times over the course of life
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can I say what do you think of the name stop killer for that thing is that what
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they actually called it's called stock color isn't there to use it once and I
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think they deliberately use it once they realize I mean Luke Skywalker was
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originally gonna be cold Luke stocker wasn't he in the first script so I think
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it's also nice to be a little not too late maybe but but I think it's
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beautiful I'm now and I do have problems with that weapon I don't have problems
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with the big bad weapon that name is literally a description of what the
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weapon does since it sucks up a son and shoot out other planets I know times
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change and I know this is thirty years later but there have been some
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incredible advances in technology that we were made privy to the original star
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was if they can now if they can first convert a planet into a weapon and then
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a weapon that's capable of setting up a start shooting at I mean this is
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sounding a lot more Star Trek and Star Wars yeah that's a good that's a good
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point there's something about that weapon that is very Star Trek ceiling
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and it it it don't have the resources in the technology does be like in the next
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movie is is this scrappy scrappy first order going to be building Dyson Sphere
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yeah yeah I use his perpetual motion lights it was implausible weapon as this
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upping the ante and and they do have that one shot which is the literal the
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literal upping the ante when the doing the debriefing I mean there's this move
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that movies do which is always remarkably effective but I'm still is
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aware when they do where you have the characters call out something that's
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happening in the movie to make it less implausible and somehow when the
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characters acknowledged it you just much more willing to let it go
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someone like always another death star and they go oh no look the Death Star
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was this big London double-decker buses on top of each other to
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infographic moment and and the most the most calling out of luck we know exactly
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what we're doing is when Han Solo has to say is there a way to blow it up there's
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always a way to blow it up
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and it does it does like a city does kinda work in movies when they do that
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but it is also an acknowledgement of like we know exactly what we're doing
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that we have to tell you that the Death Star it's it's a bigger and I wonder if
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there's a way to blow it up there always is that the other night the other great
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line that has that kind of steps out of the movie for a second and winks the
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movie but was so good was when vince says he was going to do something to get
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it used the force and head so that's not have the force works that was a good
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yeah that works really well it worked really well give you the first there is
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no one knows what the forces but it definitely doesn't work like that so you
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didn't know Han Solo was going to die I did not see at what point did you
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realize it was about to happen and how did you feel when I happen cause I
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missed out this gas moment ok well here's the problem even though I wasn't
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spoiled there are things that happen in movies that Telegraph so clearly what is
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going to happen
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yeah I mean that clearly had that and when they're there this is again is one
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of these cases of exposition irritating the crap outta me and exposition kind of
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ruining something that's coming up which is when we are talking about planting
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all the detonators and you know the place they have to blow up so the whole
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thing blows up the place of no guardrails yeah they are going to paint
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these detonators and his two things that immediately happens which is one con
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suggest a plan she makes a sound and Han says oh that's much better I'll go down
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there you go up there is little warning sign number one in your brain that
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they're drawing attention to things might have gone a different way but
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they're not going to be there's no reason for that to happen in scraps
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but the real thing which is just ok is that high and then has to say too chewy
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here you take the detonator and it just bothers me because we've already
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established earlier in the movie on so literally says my friend has a bag full
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of explosives why don't we
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that I would presume that she has the detonator but as soon as you're drawing
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attention to someone having the detonator at that moment was like ok so
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there was going to die within the next three minutes you just know it's going
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to happen you just know what's going to happen and then when Finn enraged
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arrived at the convenient point at the viewing window to watch everything
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unfolded at New Hope mirror you know where everyone arrives at the one place
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just in time to watch out here I get lightsaber exactly so I don't I don't
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mind if in and rain arriving at the balcony viewing and I don't mind the
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dramatic no guardrails ladder empty space like man they have the worst
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health and safety standards at all these Empire basis I don't mind that because
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it's it's setting things up its fine but the little line about the detonator just
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irritates me more because is there anybody in the world who would have been
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super confused when she ran out and took out a little thing and press the button
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and it exploded
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is there anybody who would have gone how did he make that explain where did the
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10 metre come from Nike has the bags full of explosives I presume the
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detonator is in there why movie do you have to draw attention to this in such a
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way that so clearly Telegraph's what's coming up on the figures could have been
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on a time as well for goodness sake no one cares
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blows up yeah it doesn't matter that that's another way of doing it just have
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it be on a timer
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side note here I absolutely love that they use the same little sound effect
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for the bombs that was in the original movies like there was a lot of little
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details with the sound work on this movie that I just loved and there was
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some bombs in the original trilogy is in the clearly went back and got the exact
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same sound effect use for these bombs of the little charging up or you know when
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they press the button to get it ready so I did you know someone cared making this
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movie I like that then for goodness sake great can I just take issue with one
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would you keep using then and I know you're using it correctly and I'm
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probably not you keep talking about competent and competence
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I think if you say someone had a competent job you're saying they did
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enough I think the people that made this film will be on competent I think they
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were very good at making films yeah yeah yeah the reason I keep using competence
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is because I'm really comparing it with someone who was quite incompetent that's
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that's why I'm phrase I'm not saying that they hit only competence you know
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they they weren't complicate the competence is if you have to fill up a
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glass to get to excellent right they did a great job and then by definition the
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glass has to be filled up to at least competence
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else didn't didn't hit that mark the guy that invented all the meadow possible
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basically yeah exactly so even knowing it's clearly Telegraph's Han Solo is
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going today and also I mean you can if you know anything about the background
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Star Wars you know that Harrison Ford is kind of a grumpy guy who was weirdly
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accidentally a famous actor and seems really grumpy about the whole thing and
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who also had some arguments with George Lucas about whether or not Han Solo
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should die in Return of the Jedi that he was very strong on the opinion that Han
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Solo should die at the end of that movie so it it feels like Harrison Ford
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definitely once to test out in a dramatic way if you possibly can lead it
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was his previous goals so it's not surprising that he dies in this movie at
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that scene was really well done and another emotional point I thought there
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was a real little of real little gut punch is when he calls out then to get
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his son's attention that is exactly the kind of thing that might seem like an
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inconsequential spoiler if you knew it ahead of time but in the context of that
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seemed to me that is actually the important review of this is like ok I
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know hun solo is going to die here but that that extra kick in the gut of they
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named their son Ben that that ads like this emotional emotional piece to do
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that seems I thought that was that was a really nice way of adding something to
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that then seeing that you know is going to play out in a certain way
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how did you how did you feel about that scene yeah I had a much bigger part in
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the film than I ever expected
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yeah me too I was very surprised at that yeah they they certainly got their their
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pound of flesh out of him before they they did away with him you know
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obviously the opposite of luke hasn't hasn't earned his wages yellow thing I
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was actually wondering because in in the unions in hollywood unions the teaching
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very differently if you're someone who has spoken line of dialogue if you're
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not or if you're not I was kind of wondering about that about Mark Hamill
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ago he doesn't say a single word I wanted to get people it's because I'm
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hoping he'll have something to do in the next film but yeah I was was a ride with
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him tying I kind of I'm not I say why we've got the old actors back and I hope
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they do something also with Luke Skywalker but I have to say the return
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of all these out characters has left me a bit colder than I thought it would
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come and say 3 p.m. I think I could have done without him all he did was annoying
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me and get him out of there you know and I've got this radar now set to sell more
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toys I can only assume that new toys but but it's funny you mention that because
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the C three be 0 appearance with wen Han and Leia meet again for the first time
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presumably after years of estrangement and then C three be 0 pops into camera I
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have to admit that kinda helluva laugh at me because I expected and I did not
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know that c3po was in the movie like I had no idea just as a light note here I
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went to the theater without ever having even seen the poster for the movie which
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I was really glad because the poster actually gives away and so for me
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watching it knowing nothing like the CCPO showing up was quite a surprise and
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could not have been done in a better way I can just thought it fit just perfectly
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with his character is famous for stopping them kissing isn't even things
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like that I I like that it just worked out I kind of like the Red Army this
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this notion that
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he is both really vein and also doesn't understand the way humans perceive him
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that he thinks he looks completely different with this with this red arm
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but I also agree that there there was a little bit of a feeling for me was 33 P
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O and r2d2 of do we need to we do we need these characters back I'm not a
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hundred percent sure that we really we really do I'm sort of thinking on the
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fly here but it might be a mock wrap up here I'd maybe the problem I had with C
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three period being in this field is he is now tired by the prequels so he's
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parties part of those so bringing him into this is a bit like unless he does
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so many stupid things in those prequels like so many scenes that we won't even
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talk about that it's a bit like Jar Jar Binks appearing it's a bit like having
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memories of you know wrong heads on robots and bad puns and I'm thinking
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about you know you're giving me flashbacks and not to the good films are
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giving me flashbacks to the bad films so maybe it's that I feel like I feel like
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it added it added little and you know and he's not like important he's not
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important like so low and Luke Skywalker you let your your musical legends is
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Luke Skywalker it's not like it's not like people thirty years later going oh
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my goodness it's the amazing see 3 p.m. who'd helped with some translation so
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yeah yeah I I see what you mean I do I get why is there not a big deal but it's
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not a big deal because he's he's not a big character but I did have this little
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bit of a feeling when it's actually are DDT was a really problematic character
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in this movie but did feel when r2d2 wakes up and he has the rest of the map
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for some reason it's it's a bit weird the dialog that happens there is that ok
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r2d2 has the rest the map along with this but it is that there is a feeling
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like ok we have three drugs now 100% sure
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and and this feeling of I like you was surprised how much of a role on and lay
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ahead in this movie because my presumption was they were going to have
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a relatively minimal role and be handing over Star Wars to this next generation
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of characters and I never really thought about CBO and r2d2 was being in the in
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the subsequent movies and it looks like he's going to play some role in the
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future of movie and obviously Luke is going to play some role in the future
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movie and it begins to feel a bit like an ensemble cast of ok we have Leia and
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we have Luke and we have r2d2 and we have seen 3 p.m. he feels a little bit
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crowded like this I want more space for new characters like let's let's do new
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things and I understand like BBA is very much and r2d2 new generation thing but
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it's maybe that's why there's this feeling of how do we need our duty to
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end BB 8900 you know I agree I mean I'm not too worried about the i mean
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obviously look is gonna be this sage Ben Kenobi so I'm happy with him continuing
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through the ages and Hensarling it basically does his hand over in this
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film doesn't and I can imagine life is gonna probably be maybe just be some
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non-action bureaucratic you know muscle type character who's just you know it's
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a basin gives lectures so I don't think she's going to be a plug stuff up and
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things like that so I'm not too worried with the integration of the humans but I
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just feel like a safe appear just gets on my nerves now it's it's totally okay
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because perhaps my favorite line of the movie not because of because of its
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delivery not because of how entertaining it is not because of anything that the
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line actually conveys except what it the director is expressed explicitly telling
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you is when the new general and Kyler and are having this little argument over
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the storm troopers and
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and ran says maybe we should be using clone troopers instead of these these
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regular army guys and the general is irritated he says oh no my my soldiers
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are supremely well trained and we don't need a clone army to me that line is
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like jay jay abrams looking directly at the audience and saying you know all
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that stuff with the prequels forget it doesn't exist in this universe we don't
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have clone troopers like none of that really really connects as I would be
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shocked if anything to jeopardize has a real connection to anything that happens
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in the prequels to feel like like that line really just closes the door and on
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one side of of that door there's the original trilogy is and there's jeje
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Abrams movie and on the other side of the door
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out in the cold or the prequels and this movie is making that really official I
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just love that they took their time dad and his line which makes no sense to
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almost anybody who isn't a pretty big star Wars fan but they took the time to
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have this little disagreement be like yeah there's no clone troopers you know
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the whole thing that the prequels were about that they focused around yet we're
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just doing all of that I mean I read that line differently in a few different
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ways that I say that meeting as well how did you read originally though
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well obviously thought it was being used to show there's an antagonism between
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the two characters cause it's one of the first times we say that they are on the
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same page as general as a general I think his name is not on the same page I
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can also see it serving the purpose cause obviously those pic was credits so
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much confusion as to the status of Stormtroopers phones are other humans so
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I think the point was to say whatever you thought about the middle trilogy
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about the status of Stormtroopers are they still closed have been humanize
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confused about why Finn is a stormtrooper it doesn't look just like
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everything's alright relax I doesn't have a New Zealand accent you know he's
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fine I thought it was more conscious dealing with a few possible points of
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confusion and also I thought they setting up something for the future they
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setting up something about clowns coming later but in hindsight I think there I
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would I would be shocked if they ever bring the clothes back that's that's
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running outline is delivering but I also agree that began as a minor point I
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think it's really well done to show that the general and Kyler and are they are
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on the same sort of level again it's it's it's very new hopi in that Darth
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Darth Vader in that is part of this whole establishments but he's in charge
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of it he's just another guy is working with the Emperor and I like this this
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movie does the same kind of thing was like I love when you get this feeling
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that he is working alongside the military but is partially out side of it
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but neither of the two of them have direct command over the others like they
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are each in charge of a different thing each working for forgot his name with
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the new major said Lord
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The Wizard of Oz something like that I S
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speaking of this general Hawks I thought that was unless something's gonna change
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which probably will I thought that was a bad piece of casting I like that actor I
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like jim DeMint other stuff I thought he was the wrong man for the road and maybe
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the bros gonna change and you become he's gonna grow into NBC to tonight but
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at the moment I felt like he looks more like the work experience kid than the
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person who would be in charge of all do you think you look too young I think it
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looks too young and he just doesn't have an authority about him that like you
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know grandmas and people that had he has been hard to beat that guy was awesome
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yeah there's peter cushing but I think this guy doesn't doesn't have thought
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and Dom Dom whole Gleason I think it might be I'm sure is is the actor and I
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I didn't get up I like him as an actor when I heard he was in the film I saw
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great he's co-director I'm sure he'll be really good but the road just seemed
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incongruous to me that he had there and I thought that was my thought that was
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amiss but maybe he's gonna something's gonna happen to him later his character
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will go on a different journey that be more suited to the actors skill set but
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at the moment I think they should have had someone with a bit more authority
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inexperienced about ya see from me I think he worked I was worried when he
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showed up because I have I have seen him mostly in an episode of black mirror of
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course and I have seen him as the male lead in a couple of chick flicks and
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he's a striking looking person you know it's him right away and but in all of
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his roles I have found him to be a very good actor but when he did show up in
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this movie my feeling was oh it's like i I was eventually sold on him in this
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role as this character and the feeling that I have is that ok yes he's a little
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young but maybe he is just extremely competent at what he is doing and when
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he does his big speech to the to the soldiers which was a little weird say if
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you ask me but when he does that he said was a bit independence and he supposed
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to be given that stirring stirring speech that this sort of big moment to
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kick off this finale just into didn't do anything for me I'm like I'm not feeling
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that you don't have you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't come on me you
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don't have the charisma for that you know didn't work but maybe maybe I was
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having a sip of my coke at the time and not paying enough attention this is the
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thing without ever everybody reacts differently to different characters that
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I think I think he was fine until I was wearing when he showed up I think he did
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ok where r is again as we've said many times the beginning please rate the
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nominal job and I don't think Finn was the
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know we had some clunky lines and the other character who like the pilot guy
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we're super sold on him and this is something about this but I was
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disappointed when the pilot showed back up later in the movie I think that he
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should have died in the TIE fighter crash at the beginning I think that is a
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much stronger start to the movie that you have this character they've built
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him up to be a kind of smart ass kind of guy they've given him a little bit of
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characterization and then he dies
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passing on this mission to fit in and to bring him back later just feels it just
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feels cheap and I don't think he was struck me some amazing actor I wasn't so
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great this guy is is back I wasn't really in love with his character and so
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I was I was disappointed at the scene where you're supposed to be like oh boy
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that amazing pilot is back
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ok I'm not entirely convinced his parentage won't be of some interest in
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the subsequent films the pilots parentage
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everybody's parentage is in question in the Star Wars yeah that's why I think I
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think he you know he says they keep emphasizing the heat abnormally good
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pilot and there are only two people I know who are really good powerless in
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the Star Wars universe yea and they're both pretty important characters so I
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dunno I think I think you know you're right it would have been it would've
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been cool if it does really quickly but I don't think I think we might have had
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a little girl action on the side there could be a few things that could they
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and so yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure where he's going because he's like he
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seems to be amake ekta for the film and yet he didn't really do much in this
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film yeah he's obviously one of the three characters that are going to be
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going on for the rest of the movies and he is one of those three and then my
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feelings
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and he hasn't he hasn't earned his place in that three so that makes me think
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there's something more to him yet he hasn't earned his place and and also the
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guy please finish up a few of his line deliveries were just not super great he
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just the sounds really stupid BC quite short guy much of it doesn't seem to
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have much of a presence that when he first came walking down the ramp up when
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you go to be shipping he appeared and that when he can I was a bit like he's
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sort of Lex Lex he lacks the physical presence of his kind of cop sureness
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yeah the thing that's kind of reminded me is in Star Trek Voyager in the first
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couple of episodes they try very hard to establish that their pilots is a similar
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kind of thing that their pilot is an amazing pilots and he's this rebel guy
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and they pulled him out of a prison due to have him do this special mission for
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Star Trek Voyager and all of the characters are constantly talking about
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how he is just like this badass pilots and the actor it just does not have that
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characteristic he looks like he should be wearing a white sweater tied around
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his neck and a pink color church just he just looks like a really crappy
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upper-middle-class kind of guy yeah and and no matter how much you have
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characters trying to tell me the Tampere is like some badass imprisoned was an
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amazing pilot he just isn't and I totally agree with you that this this
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pilot character whose name I don't even know this is kinda wanted to die in the
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beginning is it that he does not he doesn't have that kind of on-screen
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presence I talks the talk and I think he's kinda like his face in his hands
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unlikely swagger but he just seems like a small it just seems like there's not
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much of him he said I could be wrong I mean I agree about Tom Paris is always
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supposed to be this action hero
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and he always looks like a new look to be unseated in a but exactly but I don't
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think I don't think this new character whatever is going to forget it suffers
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from that kind of power responsiveness it's more a kind of I'm not saying its
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responsiveness which is great but it's it's a similar kind of a lack of this
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feeling of how you feel like a guy who could be an amazing pilot and but you're
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a mean they do keep emphasizing it and another of these kinds of dialogue that
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I didn't like it either end is is torturing him he says I had no idea we
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had the best pilot in the resistance on board
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why do you have to say that would anybody in real life say that I don't
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think there and it was written in text for us which is which is which is also
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but the fact they emphasized so much as were also made me think like also I
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thinking I was he like the son of hand side alone or is he the son of Luke
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Skywalker oh yes oh well I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of him but I always
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with his wish that movies are neither did make a decision either you kill
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characters or you don't
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but the thing that I hate the most is the death faked out of characters and
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that you know it always feels to me like you just rob you earlier scenes of of
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any importance and it's become such a trip now to that mean did anyone
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actually think he was dead surely not like it was a bit silly it would have
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been a big twist if he was dead cuz it was Jay Jay Abramson jim says some
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interesting things in movies sometimes I was actually running under the
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assumption that he was dead and I thought wow what a relief but it might
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have also just been some wishful thinking
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you got you got double faced when he appeared back on screen great was the
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only person the cinema
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i mean i think is there is something really unremarkable about him because
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even when they showed him in the in the X-wing when he flies back on I didn't
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twig that it was him until fin delivers again that line like boy that guy sure
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is an amazing pilot if I can see it I can see it on the screen you don't need
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to tell me this speaking of breaking the laws of physics by the way when they
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show human beings doing like maneuvers that would require reflexes and things
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beyond what human can do like some of those little barrel rolls and tens I do
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have problems with that to like it seems like a nice human like that would tear
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human's body to pieces some of those turns and maneuvers that were being down
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yet alone whether they have the actual cognitive ability to be thinking that
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fast anyway this is always think it's it's it's how how far can they push
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things before you feel like it's too far with it with some of the some of the
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next week I didn't really think about that too much I just there is something
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great about X-wing TIE Fighter fights it's just that it's a it's a pleasure to
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watch again I love all the sound work on the TIE fighters they just have such a
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particular sound that I love so one other thing I want to mention was just
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thinking about this movie forrest was thinking about the dreaded prequels one
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of the things I was really aware of watching this is in some of the opening
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establishing sequence of this movie with rain her life and then on the desert
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CGI animals in the background that I couldn't help but notice because that of
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course is one of the great scenes of the remade version of the prequels of just
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like crap in the background just everywhere and i'm looking at the CGI
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animals in the background of this movie and game just appreciating what a well
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done movie can do because I was looking at them out
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why don't these animals bother me and the answer is they're all there for a
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reason and so the very first background animal that we see is in that silent
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establishing sequence for Ray when she gets she's done with her scavenging she
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gets back to town and she's pulling behind her on this led this little load
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of stuff that she has scavenged and coming in the opposite direction is a
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CGI animal pulling a way bigger load of scavenged stuff and this to me is it a
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great example of that animal adds to the scene like a comment on her life that
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she is there as a kind of beasts of burden doing this very manual labor and
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this animal that is going in the opposite direction is at that moment
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doing her job better than her because she's she's only able to carry so much
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and it is carrying this enormous amount of stuff like that that just that one
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little shot is the perfect example of how to add stuff that is atmospheric
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without being distracting that animal has a reason to be in that scene it's
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not just oh I wanna make this place look really busy an Alien and Aliens
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everywhere baby animals everywhere
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adding nothing doing distracting stuff sneezing when main characters are
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walking into buildings it was it was just great and then the other the other
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big CGI animals which is a very close to being George Lucas e but not quite with
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the gigantic elephant thing that's drinking from the water but but even
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that animal it's ok you can argue that it doesn't need to be there but it's
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still add something to the scene because it provides a good reason why then is so
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desperately thirsty that he's drinking the water hits obviously disgusting
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because there's big giant disgusting creatures also drinking from it and then
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it's the motion of that creature that distracts him for a moment so he sees
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this this by taking place between ray and some other scavengers and said they
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had to be just a just a great example of you want to have stuff in your
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movie to show that it's an alien place that's great but it works when they are
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doing things when they have a reason to be in the scenes just too many draws it
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a tremendous example of the difference between like what george lucas does and
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what a competent to do it was competence at its very best and even just any other
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other very minor thing but just I love that in in those desert scenes the actor
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playing Finn is sweaty
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know why because they're really in a desert that he's really hot actually
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somewhere you know they're not on a on a green screen they her filming out in the
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desert in Abu Dhabi or someplace just it's a little thing like that just makes
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it so real like this guy actually has sweat on his face because he is a really
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hot wherever he is standing like thank you change abrams for building sets and
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taking people places and and making it feel very real I mean the desert sayings
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by far and away the highlight of the film for me or that the star of the film
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along with the lightsaber in the snow in terms of visuals but that but the desert
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not only is visually the most appealing part but it's also just the most
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engaging powerful film like it was it was the highlight of the film a film
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that I like all the bits of that was that was by far and away the best part
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of the film for me let me ask about the end of the film so first of all there's
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a question would they just send rate to go and make it look skywalker the person
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they've been
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everyone has been looking for for the last thirty years and they finally find
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out where he is and they send the skills they've just met well you know chilis
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with it I mean I understand maybe they want to keep a low profile but would you
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not send like your best pilot or it doesn't it doesn't seem low profile when
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you have everybody in the base cheering her on as she leaves him presumably
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they're all cheering her on because they know where she's going she said that but
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let's leave that to one side I mean I'm glad they sent over a decision what do
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you think of that the end the final say no
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we finally see Luke Skywalker and she holds out that lightsaber and I think
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the movie should have ended three minutes earlier with her taking off and
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flying in into space to go finally at the end of the end of empire
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the pacing of the movie aside from the monster seen in never really felt slow
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to me it never felt like ok slow down for a moment even when the scenes
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themselves were slow the movie the peace always felt appropriate but that was the
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only time where I felt a little antsy all of a sudden my seat is movie over
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we're done right she's gonna go often and find the Skywalker ok that's great
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felt like such a natural end to me that I was thinking I was going to say look
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obviously we're not going to say and then they like tagged arm ok we gotta
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show you this is this is another example of where knowing anything is a bit of a
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spoiler because even have a watch the first trailer my brain is always doing
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the thing that I do when watches movies we're just taking off all of the scenes
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like we haven't seen X wings flying across the water yet oh they're standing
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at a place where there's a big lake I guess this is where the ex wings are
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coming in just tick tick tick tick tick and simply knowing that Mark Hamill was
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in this movie is a bit of the movie should obviously and here but I know
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that it isn't going to end it it really feels to me like why do they have this
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movie I think this this scene is here for reasons other than the pure
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movie-making up it would have been a great bait and switch and they could
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have argued he was in it because of his flashbacks exactly exactly I think they
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easily be easily could have done that I just I dunno I really feel like that
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scene was there because they wanted to have mark hamill involved in this
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production and it was not there because it was the best way to end this movie
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yeah I think you're probably right
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that aside like once we accept ik they gonna do it I have to say I was not a
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big fan of the final shot this sort of big aerial shot of the helicopter going
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around the pinnacle showing the two of them it was the perhaps the one camera
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shot in the whole film that didn't feel like a Star Wars movie yeah I agree it
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felt like a BBC TV documentary with someone's doing a documentary about the
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island and they should have this big shot with a presenter goes and here you
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can see older coast that has been here and let it fail and was obviously in a
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helicopter and it just didn't it didn't belong and I think the one of the
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reasons this film feel so much like a Star Wars film is that change abrams
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restrained himself and like although there is so much more creative with the
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cameras then Lucas was he didn't go overboard like it's not quite as friends
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because even the new Star Trek movies and other things it like it it did
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retain an old-fashioned feel the camera moved a lot more than like in films that
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was kind of a deliberate sort of space opera decision to say let's be a little
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bit about school and traditions and there was no shot that was the
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equivalent in star track of where Kirk realizes they are working into it
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a trap and he runs through an enormous sets doing a whole bunch of stuff and
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the cameraman is running behind him
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yeah that that is a very JJA abrams feeling shots and has a moment from that
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movie and they don't do that kind of camera motion anywhere in this and you
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might be right that might be one of the reasons why does feel more Star Wars II
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but yes that that's swirling camera shot at the end it did seem a little bit out
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of place and I'll tell you having watched it twice the first time I saw
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that scene it did feel a little bit like i mean that that whole scene where she
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she's climbing up the stairs in Ireland and going to find Mark Hamill the first
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time watching it it felt a little long as I obviously should have ended the
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movie 2 minutes ago by the Hon tell you on the second watch through that is
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going to be the part of the movie that just each of the worst because it feels
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for ever on a second watch through and he do more cuts back and forth between
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Mark Hamill and her looking at each other silently as she hold out that
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lightsaber then you realize the first time you watch that movie it is way too
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long if your gonna do that scene it even has to be half as long as it already is
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it also felt a bit cheap which is an amazing cause I'm sure cost a bomb to
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make but it just felt like a felt it felt like it was shot on a video camera
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after they finish making the main film and I sent it they said some guy in the
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video camera and in a helicopter and they didn't care for the Steadicam and
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it it it's in congress and it's a bit weird at the end of these are weird
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taste in your mouth is still a great film and everything but we still
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definitely enjoyed about it that feels totally like the kind of thing that the
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next movie could take care of imaginatively cut it when she flies off
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into outer space
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the next movie it picks up it does the scene and opening shots of a planet in a
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spaceship in there and they kick off with some exciting thing if after that
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point they cut to Ray being trained by Luke Skywalker somewhere in beautiful
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Ireland is there anyone who's going to be confused is there anyone is going to
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think how did that happen it's obvious she found him and she's being trained
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now and who the hell cares about the exact moment they met you could cut that
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whole thing you don't even need to do it in the second one a dramatic start to
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the next film that the camera pans down to the two luk planner and the first
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ship we say is the Millennium Falcon arriving at the planner
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there many ways that you could do it and I just don't think you even need to show
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this meeting happening so explicitly and that's why I just it really feel they do
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some kind of hollywood political reason that this scene is there I can't imagine
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anybody actually think that's the best way to end the movie because it's so
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obvious that it should end with her going off into space it's such a natural
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ending the other thing I want to talk about it if you would care to do this I
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don't think
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Council spoilers but do you have any kind of what will happen next thoughts
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now like what what's going to happen why I mean it's impossible to know maybe
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they don't even know for sure but what you think will happen next what you'd
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like to see happen next is reagan a baby looks daughter if she hadn't layers
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daughter and the brother of the sister of car they ran did note you can do I
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will be avoiding spoilers to the next movie obviously but I'm also totally
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happy to speculate that this is speculating without knowledge is
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perfectly fine and I am vaguely operating under the assumption that the
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most likely thing is that yes she she is the daughter of Hon and later like that
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seems she's somebody's daughter right of importance there's there's not a reason
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that they wouldn't mention it
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yep and it's just there just seems like the likely case you know she's for
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sensitive so it's either luk luk at a bit of an adventure or she is a mother
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daughter and I believe in the extended universities that it is that that Luke
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and Leia have a set of twins don't think their solution I had to end had twins
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and they did they did yes and I'm pretty sure that the the Knights of ran that
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the reference they make a movie is from the extended universe but the movie
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seems to lean in that way to make you think this
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that probably the better decision is to make her Luke's child in but that's what
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the movies leaning towards I think if you're a Dumbo you'd be thinking that
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she's links daughter has been waiting for Luke to come back I think the
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hardened liar is the less obvious option which ironically that makes it more
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obvious yeah but I lorraine has that line we explicitly says to her oh you
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feel that that Han Solo is the father that you've never had
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maybe that's the reason why that line is because it's actually that she's lose
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the days like she's somebody's daughter its star wars the people going to be
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related this is a family everybody everybody everybody somebody's daughter
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have a minor guess which was put on the record now what's his name again the
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boss of kind of something the wizard of oz
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visit of US snoek I really I I really liked in his first appearance the
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holograph figure out thing where they talking to him and he's huge and then
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you realize how it's a hologram my prediction here is that in person he's
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actually quite small and that he's basically that's almost a certainty that
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has to be it has to be he's not going to be a normal sized duties going to have
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to be a teeny tiny dude let's let the boat is prediction graders let me say I
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predict what's gonna be lifesavers in the next few bold prediction I'm just
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getting it on record is this is my speculation is confident gonna go
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through the obvious redemption is it gonna be done at all over again where he
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liked comes to the good writeup the end seems like could they would they have
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the audacity to do that to be so obvious I hope not I think it the story
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indicates that he won't because I think having him kill his father is quite a
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thing to do on camera
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the flip side of this the thing that slightly annoyed me is the whole pin
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leaves the battle and it's his first battle ever and he's never killed
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anybody that makes him it makes him too much like this shiny new minted penny
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that landed on the battlefield I decided I want out of this later on in the
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movies although idk I hate when I was like what what what were you doing as
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far as I can tell you a guy he went through training and then bugged out on
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the first opportunity that you didn't actually do anything
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yeah but deserted from the evil empire but I think it makes his character a
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little bit too squeaky clean but then this makes him go he is a good guy in
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this universe because he's never killed anybody was much more interesting
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character would be someone who has woken up from his programming over time and
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and lessen the genuinely did bad things so if if that is the backstory they've
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established for a good guy like we want him to be universally good and to be
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entirely unblemished my feeling is that the reverse of that that having Kyler
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and actually kill his father it makes him one redeemable at against unlikely
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that they're going to do the redemption will see in a couple of years but I'd be
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pretty shocked if they if they have a moment we're kind of friend turns around
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I think they're going to keep up with him as an actual villain I don't know I
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just don't know I think I think he will be turned around I don't think he'll be
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bad for ever I do that I do like the little twist to the force thing where
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he's like trying to push the light out like I know that's kind of what happened
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at a theater but it wasn't quite it wasn't quite framed in that way it's a
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bit like I what it's like I want to be dug in only the doctors takes over you
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and you like give up and say oh I just gave up that's what that was done they
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don't you know it's too late for me so I'm staying up got ink on my shirt
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that's it you can't you can't claim marcia whereas he's like the opposite
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he's like he wants to be dug and like he keeps having these light impulses that
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he's like sign off gotta stop these luck impulses you know I wanna be a bad guy
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got to stop this hankering to be good I thought let off on that really
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interesting twist on the force
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I like that as well I thought that was really nice this idea that there is late
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temptation I wanna help that out ran across the street but I mustn't I must
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admit I like that and also I just think it provides a tiny bit of
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there is a couple I don't quite like in the movie but what one of which is wen
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wen Han Solo explicitly says that the forces is tied together good and evil
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like the light and the dark I think you need to at least have a little bit of an
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excuse for dark side characters to imagine that they are performing the
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correct actions and if you just explicitly say like oh it's evil I think
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it is better when villains are somewhat sympathetic and I try to imagine the
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dark side as like the this is much easier to get started down path though
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in the long run is less powerful but you can get a very you can go from 0 to 90
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very fast and so I imagine that like dark side characters are ambitious and
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attracted to immediate power and then that's why he finds himself rejecting
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the light side is because he's trying to grow immediate power fast and so I do
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like this temptation of God know if I'm gonna level in my light side points to
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take forever to get really powerful elected on a crashed but the thing
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that's always been a slight problem for me with the force and Star Wars is that
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the darkside know that they're the bad guys like that so it's like they know
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they know they're bad but it's always been a bit weird to me come to come to
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the day they call themselves the dockside them as will be calling himself
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the bad guys and girls on their caps right yeah come on come on come and be a
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bad guy because it's cuz its gives you power and it's fun like like you say
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like bad surely bad guys are supposed to think they're good guys be in Star Wars
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universe the bad guys I've always kind of knowing their bad guys like the
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temporary in the original trilogy seems like he really likes being the village
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but seems to be a characteristic yeah it's like it's like a fat person saying
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come on be really really fat because you get to eat lots of yummy donut us really
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fat disgusting but at least you get to eat donors like surely the ideal person
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is someone who wants to be thin and donuts but like the day but the darkside
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alike are willing to be fat because they want a day let's say where is that there
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is in real life a person who eats lots of donors somehow convinced themselves
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they can still be thin eventually
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whereas the dark side don't do that yeah I don't know what I'm doing here with us
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for some donuts but nowhere to go with it you wouldn't think we liked the film
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so much the way we were talking about it but well you know it's always easy to
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complain about have many more things that we will come up against some point
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I was complaining to my wife for probably a good 30 minutes and testing
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her patients about how much I dislike the line where ray references the
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Millennium Falcon having completed the Kessel run in 14 parsecs there are many
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many more
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very nerdy very specific things to pick apart and I have a long list of reasons
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why don't like that line but I'm sure these things will come up again that was
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doubling down on a mistake wasn't it when they probably shouldn't have ok
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listen I have to do this again that the short version of this I K
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the reason I hated that line is because it does a case it's over for anyone to
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listening our team knows right but in the in the first movie when Han Solo
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says to Luke been that they made that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs nerds
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kind of freaked out because of our second unit of distance is not a
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measurement of time and so it seems like it's the wrong thing for the base and
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yes super nerds don't send me the links about how the parcel about how the
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Kessel run as measured I know all of this
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yeah you can I get my interpretation of that scene which I'm convinced every
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time I watch it is intentional is that Han Solo is hitting been and Luke on
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purpose he is saying something intentionally wrong to see if they pick
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up on it like how much do these guys know about space travel how much did
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they know about ships and their speeds what you mean he got the the essay used
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a wrong SI unit test than just bragging about something he didn't really
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accomplish it is a testing their scientific knowledge or testing their
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knowledge of his fame inability what he is testing is their knowledge of fast
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and the reason he's doing that is because he's trying to sense how much of
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a sucker they are you can rip them off exactly right how much how much do they
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know about what's going on how much can you rip them off and if you watch that
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scene really closely he gives that line and then they they flashed to Ben Kenobi
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in Luke and belt tobyGames this weird little smile almost like he knows what
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he's doing
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I don't think I'm reading too much into the scene by just very very shortly
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after that then and you get up and leave and that is such a great little moment
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in Star Wars went on then choose the jewish playboy these guys are really
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desperate and as I can't wait to extract all the money from from these desperate
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to stop that quite often when you talk about films you watched as a child you
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on his behalf a legend in his own lunch time and he thinks he's he thinks he is
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the great I am and it's kind of like he's one claim to fame is one thing that
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he thinks he's famous for his is this Kessel run like and these guys haven't
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and no and I think that's what's happening to him it's like he's he's
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there you know I put the Millennium Falcon and there was that is going well
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and made the case you haven't heard of the mother ship it made the Kessel whose
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legend in his own mind and he's like being brought down to earth in real life
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them and then he's bred folds flat because these guys are kind of just
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being so they see things there
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that's a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the scene I think I
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wouldn't argue against that because this there's only subtext in that seems so
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you can interpret either way and so I just have my own pet interpretation of
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that but it is just destroyed when Ray sends out the Catherine 14 parsecs 12
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because it legitimizes I know this was a thing this is a race like guess the dumb
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extended universe backwards compatibility reason for why it's
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measured in parsecs is now Canada I really hate that line it completely
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vindicates my interpretation because what's happening now is he finally made
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someone who has heard of his great claim to fame and then they get it wrong
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because they used the wrong number this does go exactly into making your
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interpretation Canon interpretation moment but also I also don't like that
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thing for this character to know I think there's a purpose to I don't like that
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line either by the way that's a great with me as well just cause it feels just
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jazz but I think one of the little to fan service as well but what I think
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when I think it was trying to do in service of the plug is to show that
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she's a complete spaceship cake like she's into it she knows everything she
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knows the Millennium Falcon she knows like she's a real she's a real space
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ship engineering and mechanical know and like us only a mechanical engineering
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spaceship node would have heard of the Millennium Falcon and know about the
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Kessel run so I think they're trying to further establish a potential someone
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who really know spaceships and we see that later on you know she fixes the
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Millennium Falcon on the Hoffman so I think they're trying to establish there
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is a real geek in the area
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she's the one who has heard of the Kessel run in the Millennium Falcon
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unlike lukin been yeah I i understand the mechanics of what is doing in the
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movie and I totally agree and it also acts as a as a first little bonding
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antagonistic it's a bit of our ok well these you know about this thing but it's
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just great to me and it just feels like a weird thing for her to know because
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the time light when did when did this Kessel run occur at how many years ago
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was this how many years with this before she was
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autonomy maybe this is because I'm not a lot of sports nerd but it it seems it
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seems like the equivalent of someone knowing obscure baseball's statistics
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that happened twenty years before they were born when their nineteen it seems
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like a lot I can get that I like that I think the problem the reason it just me
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is the timing of it like she's like on a broken-down ship hovering in space it so
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it seems to be her first time in space perhaps a second ago she was figuring
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out how she's gonna she's gonna live there's a lot of stuff going on it seems
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like she's just met someone who just doesn't seem like a conversation should
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be having at that time it seems like something you discuss maybe later over a
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cup of coffee
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it's it's it's a line that debt just it just bothers me it feels like a bit of
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fanservice I understand the mechanics that's what it's doing in the plot but I
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think there are better ways to do that where she could recognize something
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about whatever they say something later on the cargo class kind of thing that
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this ship is you can have her recognize things about the ship on solo talks to
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her about you don't have to have these particular line especially when it's
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such an infamous line in in the Star Wars universe it's poking the bear isn't
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it yeah it's a bit too much this is free to use Star Wars fans but I know I don't
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I don't need you to remind me just like I don't need the chest able to turn on
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when Vince its attitude I recognize that chess table immediately there's nobody
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who sees the chess pieces come on who then puts the put it together in their
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everybody who's going to recognize the chess pieces recognizes the table that
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that would have been classier didn't switch yeah it would be a thousand times
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classier to the switch on that I think those those two things right in a row
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where bill I don't need you don't need to do this I recognized the table it's
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better if the table doesn't turn on that just goes further to that little part of
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the film when I get off the desert plateau but before they leave being the
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worst part the film from the basically the moment that ship breaks down in all
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but Dzeko
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until they finally blast out of the fixed costs and that whole sequence is
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the path that is that is that is low part of the film I will agree with that
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i mean even at least a tiny bit of of class II fanservice but it still at the
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scene is unnecessary is when Finn is looking for the bandages for chili in
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that scene he pulls out the training ball at Luke uses and he holds it right
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in front the camera looks at it and throws it to the size I don't need to do
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that you can just you can have it on set in the background and trust me I will
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notice or having floated away but don't linger don't have a look at the people
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who go through it by my frame also my love you but don't hold up in front of
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my face it it's it's a bit like I notice every single one of the droids on those
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first order ships that were the droids from the original movies I recognize
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that little floor droid right away I see the trashcan guy with the two feet in
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the background like I recognize all of them you don't need to linger on them
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and this is the kind of thing which is nice for super fans but yeah holding the
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thing up in front of cameras a bit too much
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switching on the chest that is a bit too much that's probably the last of the
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last of our are picking us about the movie for today anyone today just
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considered as sort of an introductory taster of will really get his find a
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tower at a later date of its just this is our first impressions
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we're going to go back and watch a few more times now to pick up some of the
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minutiae yeah we'll really get into it then almost certainly I'm going to see
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it again with my wife
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relatively soon though I like it
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complaining if there's anybody who's on the edge and like spoilers and listen to
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the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie
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the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie
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you know how I love a little bit of fate and coincidence and stuff I had my head
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I had been a crazy idea today so I just wanna put it in there cause I know you
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like new and unpredictable things that I love alone suffered a schedule I did
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something I do maybe once every few months and that is I bought like a
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scratch ticket oh yeah I usually do as a little surprise present from iowa
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because she's not particularly in to scratch tickets but she finds it funny
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that Australians called them scratch ease so ever since then I sometimes
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think that's funny because it is funny
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Australians and your lil names for everything we love putting the liaison
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the end of things so sometimes I come home and bring her a scratchy so anyway
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I brought a scratchy for myself and I thought I would do the scratchy luck on
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the podcast because I could win 1,000,000 pounds and I thought if I 11
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million pounds while we will live recording that would be an amazing piece
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of podcast would be pretty go it would be astounding do you think if I win
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1,000,000 pounds that would change the topic of today's podcast and we will
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just talk about how I'm gonna spend this million pants now because honestly I
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would much rather talk about our intended topic then you're million
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pounds if you like I'm really happy for you but let's get on with the show
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really did do you think I could do the show if I just want two million barrels
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I mean your professional podcaster you should be able to soldier on without one
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which he just ran into the street screaming no but I think I think it
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would be unprofessional to win 1,000,000 pounds live on a podcast and then not
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talk about it just crack on with other by now subjects there's always follow up
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Brady right we can talk about it and follow up on the next episode
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you've got to adapt to circumstances and you could go with fake takes you you've
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got to be as adaptable as a Swiss Army knife as we previously discussed you
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can't just have your notes and think like like if I was looking out the
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window right now and a comment came and smashed into the say do you think I'd be
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thinking would I be thinking that that does his topic for next week I must put
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the show notes or do you think it's a great not gonna believe what just
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happened of course if you wildly change this
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scenario then yes I'm going to agree with you had we're going to talk about a
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comment smashing into the earth I'm not having that I'm not wildly changing the
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subject changing the area I like I admit crashing to the earth is pretty
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significant and more significant than we may winning a million pounds but may 20
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million pounds is still like a big deal it's like more interesting than talking
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about Star Wars it is not it is not more interesting great if you if you want to
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if you wanna million per someone walked into your office right now and gave you
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a suitcase with a million pounds I would say let's talk about that Star Wars can
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wait that is quite an unusual scenario why did someone give me a suitcase full
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of a million pounds now the suitcases a thing to worry about like sitting here
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at my feet as I'm trying to record the scenario let me make this really easy
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for you if you had a scratchy cat in front of you and you scratch that off
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and you won a million pounds I think that's more interesting than talking
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about stuff goes ok you know what I can prove to you it isn't because he is that
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we can do if you really want that can be my scratchy ticket and you can scratch
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it off and if I win a million pounds then we keep going on with the show and
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I'm right and it's great that we're going to see if I can prove to you I can
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prove to you how correct I am on this one I would rather be Rome and having
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them are you are you ready to scratch off here is scheduled to take it well
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I'm gonna give you a fun of choices in the scenario because my wife believes
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that it's lucky to use a golden coin to do it with a coin of high value but just
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for you I also have a penny I'm gonna let you decide if you want me to use a
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lucky golden coin or a penny to scratchy scratchy scratchy I mean which one is
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more satisfying to hold because obviously they're not going to change
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the numbers in the ticket I've actually was slightly disagreed with my wife on
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this because I think the gold pound coin is a little bit sick for doing the
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scratchy oh yeah pound coins no good that's no good to hold it all you need
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like a tu pense going that's that's good it's nice and then it's probably the
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only thing that it depends going is good at it is big enough to hold
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up to scratch when now you've said that I gotta go and get two pence cause now I
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feel like it's bad luck if i dont use it to a pens game it doesn't there is no
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there is no luck in this scenario I'm gonna get to Penn Schoen hang on
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ok I made in this news release getting it depends if he has it right hand is
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going to be sitting back down in like two seconds I'm back on his way back to
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you know I keep my cup of coins in a in a old ww2 like mortar shell then huge
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big goldwater show is it within arms reach is essentially a pretty matches so
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figured it's on those bookshelves next to my desk right right of course sounds
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good just the way they mentally to pants ok see if you can guess what you might
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open scoring is from 1990 1995 nowhere near it
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we have what like fifty years of two pence coins I think that's pretty close
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five years five years how long how long of two pence coins currently in
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circulation been made
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let me let me say something again grow so you can do it all my goodness great
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that's amazing you are within five years they didn't exactly because it would be
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ridiculous because being five years is nowhere near I think it depends entirely
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on how many years worth of fifty pence coins are in circulation and I bet
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there's like 50 years worth of fifty pence going circulations 108 maybe not
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cuz theres desolation in the nineteen seventies in the UK and other currency
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in the nineteen seventies I think they did 66 I believe was the ok so still
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like shifted basically fifty years ago I don't know that was 66 assists in my
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that but anyway there's many many years I'm within 5 I'm impressed by this
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random coincidence are you impressed by telling him you like that that's what I
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tell you what you will be impressed by my million pound win that's about to
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happen mary millions I put a picture of the card and shown out so people can
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look what's the maximum on that scratch the maximum million parents who is not
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really Mary millions it's Mary hey million or 44 for people to marry
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million therefore it's a Merry millions visit Mary's million there's million
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pounds the next prices 25 2010 51 than 200 100 as the little ones if I win
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25,000 I don't really know what we're gonna do I think I mean that's there's a
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lot of money but where is that boundary of when it becomes uninteresting
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we've got a great because that's the whole thing with like scratch cards and
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lotteries as before you inevitably lose it so the dreaming of what will happen
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if you win so I'm trying to make course that is what this thing is so I'm not
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even dreaming of what I would do with the million I'm dreaming of what will
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podcast about if I read the million
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got like it's like levels of abstraction going on here we know we're going to
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talk about we're gonna podcast about Star Wars now here we go there are four
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gingerbread man in a little cluster and apparently if I if when I scratch away
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these gingerbread man if I find a little Santa Claus face i win a prize I'm sure
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to listeners are holding their breath man had a ball pool side win the second
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on a globe know when a sweet know when Holly know where and when nothing how
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unlikely it looks like today's podcast is going to be about the new Star Wars
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film The Force awakens
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the new Star Wars movie instead of us is what is a spoiler situation here because
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oil is a very important when it comes to this there can't not be spoilers this
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see spoiler and so many many people are are hiding but as always cast people
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could be listening in the far far future great I have a story yes a blatant
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exactly to that obviously will come to us so we can estaba spoilers obviously a
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very major character dies in this film and I was spoiled
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yeah I was it doesn't really bother me but I and it was just you know what it
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does bother me it was the method in which it was done okay so tell me how
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did this tragedy happened I was in the comments section of one of my videos
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just like I do for work and it was one of those people who just who just wants
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to be a bad person and just wrote so-and-so dies and is killed by someone
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so no one really basically the whole purpose was for people to stumble over
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and I've been thinking about this and I don't want to sound too extreme but I
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think people who do that I don't judge them cause I don't know what's going on
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in their lives they could have had a difficult childhood
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of stuff going on and I've lived long enough to know when people do bad things
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sometimes there are other things going on so I don't want to I don't judge the
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but can I say that Act the act of spoiling say I feel more a TV show in
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that I don't know if there's a word for doing that i'm gonna call / spoiling
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it's like a drive-by spoiling what is called a flash point is I think it's a
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little bit catch you but I think the act of doing that is one of the most pure
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despicable things you can possibly do because there's nothing but evil about
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life is nothing but taking pleasure from evil there are many worse things that
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people can go right for example crimes and terrorism they are worse things
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right to inspect some how many of them can be justified but you can say well
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okay this person may be heard they had walked believe so they thought they were
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doing the right thing or they were motivated by a need and then they did a
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really bad thing but people who are doing these flash spoils me it's just
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that there's none of that going on there's no there's no constructs you can
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make where there's like a justification other than them taking pleasure from
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ruining something for other people and I think that's a really despicable acting
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you can sit there and laugh and think i've i've ruin the film for X number of
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people and then you have but can I just say that's a despicable thing you've
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done and like that's as low as you can get a good time for you I know it makes
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you happy that that and that just makes me feel a bit sad for you I can imagine
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that sort of person takes a lot of pleasure
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there's something about this which is like East symmetric warfare in that I
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imagine the person who does the spoiling gets maybe five seconds worth a very
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minor enjoyment for some people but the damage done is enormous
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you you ruin the movie for a large group of people like you take away such a huge
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amount of joy for what is a very probable very small increase of pleasure
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to yourself so that's one of things it's even worse about it like the asymmetry
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of it well I mean that's the case from
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crimes and things isn't what you say is true great I just think I guess that's
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just sad that had a sad crap life and they may be they feel that the world's
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been bad to them so they want to do something bad to the world I'm thinking
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of the damage done in terms of human hours of enjoyment you know when someone
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sees a spoiler like that on one of your videos like it's possible you know many
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hundreds maybe thousands of people see that lets multiply a thousand human
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hours of spoiled moving us against the persons leading seconds of enjoyment
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that is the tremendous asymmetry of it that mean then let people who kick
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puppies on that as far as bad things go that are not illegal it's it's up there
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but by the way I am only talking about these flash boils like I mean people may
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people may be pointing out that in our recent vote-counting video the face of
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growing appeared a few times I point out why this is different when it was
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accidental
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it was you editing the video was made that video is very long and as you know
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I didn't go through a frame-by-frame and it had to be done a bit of a hurry if
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you're watching that video you probably know you're in a frisky zone but if
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you're like somewhere unrelated and someone does that does that flash Boyle
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I think that's a bit worse I didn't quite realize that there actually are a
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tremendous number of comments on our flag video about spoilers for my face
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but I didn't see very much of that because as soon as we put the video up I
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was precisely afraid of the thing that happened to you happening to me of
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someone leaving just a random comment on that video to be a jerk about Star Wars
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spoilers so this is how we looking at so little in the last couple days leading
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up to this movie and then after I saw for the first time I went back to look
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at that video Russell 2000 boy lots of comments about these would be great face
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boilers again need to add an annotation or something to to warn people about it
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because of how many comments there have been anyway enough about that it didn't
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I don't think it affected my enjoyment of the film I didn't you know I didn't
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take enough from a to know exactly what and when and how and who said there was
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still some doubts but it did you know that was less of a surprise as a result
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but anyway let's talk about this film
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let's talk about Star Wars now actually the force awakens directed by Jim Abrams
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now you've already seen it twice the way this work is that I saw it on the 17th
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as a date with my wife had originally reserve some tickets ahead of time and
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we were going to go out and see it because because we are professional
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movie reviewers in some way I like this notion that everything we discuss on the
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podcast we can somehow be professional in in any way and we get we get money
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for the podcasting network professional X we're professional movers now I mean
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after that scratchy thing on a professional gambler I believe you are
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you a Wikipedia pages are going to get very long very long my plan was unlike
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say some of the other movies that we have intentionally watched for the
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podcast like The Hobbit movies where my expectations were low going in when I go
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into the Hobbit movie I have my phone now ready to take notes right away
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because I feel like a movie there's no way you're going to convince me to put
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down this phone because you're interesting so I might as well start
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taking notes now but I felt that that would have been deeply unfair to do to
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the Star Wars movie and it was also just not something I wanted to do and also
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just not something I would want to do when I'm going to see a movie with
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somebody else so I booked two tickets one which was just to see it with my
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wife and just to watch it and then the second one which just happened today
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which is the day after I booked it with the intention of going into the movie
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theater and having my phone and taking notes by the way people don't worry I
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booked in the back so that nobody was getting distracted by my phone so then
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the second thing is that ok now I am medal watching this like I'm watching me
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that's that's my experience of it OK and you have watched it once I've watched it
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once yes I watched the day after you basically my wife wants to see it and
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she's booked tickets for us to see it on Sunday which happens to be the day after
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uni recording now
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because we're recording the podcast want to talk about and also I wanted to avoid
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spoilers I went to see a day earlier than two days earlier than planned but
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also funnily enough we've now learned this sound of music alive event is on TV
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on the Sunday night my wife really wants to watch so we've actually booked
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tickets for Monday night now and we're not gonna use a Sunday Ticket so there
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will be two empty seats in the cinema for one of the screenings so I would
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have bought three tickets in the course of four days but only gone to two of
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them as we talk now I've only seen it once I didn't take notes during ice
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cream with some notes the day after my memories of it alright well I know Brady
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you have no patience for talking about it without saying in advance what you
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actually thought of the movie so do you want to give your overall feeling he
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reaction to Star Wars do you disagree with me because I know this is a point
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of difference between us you like sort of constructing this complicated web
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where no one knows exactly what you're thinking with a movie review it's more
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important for people to know what you think overall I know where you're coming
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from and then and then you say good or bad about it has a context i think
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talking about it is the review
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yeah and that's what we'll do but it is it is all colored by whether or not you
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liked the film like it colors I think it's important to do and that's why I
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will I will concede I will concede your point ik I will concede your point
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ok well my overall feeling about it that will that can be taken with everything I
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two thumbs up superb job wow high rankings probably the biggest star Wars
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fan that I know in real life I know anybody in real life be like Star Wars
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more than you not flawless and I have a have a whole page of of criticisms I
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think when he was announced as directed my expectations were too high then they
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went down and after a few of the trailers I began to lose faith and get
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to wonder some expectations went down a bit so it exceeded my expectations but
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my expectations weren't ridiculously high but they also were at rock bottom
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but I think the film's very good for two four and a half stars out of 5 I'd say
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what about you what's your overall thoughts before we get get down to the
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nitty gritty yes I had only watched that first trailer that you made me watch for
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the record I wouldn't have watched otherwise like you I was happy VD
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hearings was selected as the director and I was intentionally keeping my
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expectations low and my mind mental bar here was if we can get something as good
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as the new Star Trek movies that James did that's a win those Star Trek movies
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same thing like they're they're like a fun adventure ride but I've never felt
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really compelled to watch them again but I would still feel like that would be
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that would be a win that's really what I'm hoping for that was kind of the
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mental bar in my life is is ok maybe it's going to be like Star Wars as seen
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through modern action movie genres but I'll be fine with that if it's if it's
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like Star Trek but I watched it and I would say that it passed that far
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it was a better movie than the Star Trek movie was I really liked it's like to
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have a quite a long list of things that I didn't like but overall it was it felt
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to me like this huge relief of like oh wow it's a it's a Star Wars movie that I
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can enjoy again
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I watched it and it was a fun adventure and I liked it and it was it was good in
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all the ways that I wanted it to end the thing that I really kept feeling
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throughout it was like that Star Trek movie doesn't really you like star track
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but watching this Star Wars movie it felt like the line at Honolulu given the
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movies like we're home again like this feels like Star Wars it's hard to pin
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down what that is exactly what it feels like it's in the same family as those
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original three-month high grade I think I
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reasons for that I agree with you and that arrow sites like it's made star was
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a case against like after those three abominations it was a bit like people
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that you like Star Wars really but those rooms are rubbish it's a bit like year
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healing moment that that's that's really what it feels like it's just it feels
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like oh there's there's been this great healing energy Abrams has laid his hands
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upon the series and it's all okay now maybe it's a bit like a sporting team
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rubbish team never gives you a hard time for liking that time this year that had
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a really good season and made the playoffs on paper it's all right there
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after oh yeah it was it was it was great and I hope does need gives judge abrams
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funny we don't have to stick to call logical or anything but let's just kind
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a very good place to stop my very first note on this was text scroll know it
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taxes exclamation mark right away it felt great to see a text scroll in the
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excitement like no matter how low my expectations were going into that peter
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that Big Star Wars sound comes on you just oh boy here we go I hope it's
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first thing everyone wonders going to see that film is what's gonna happen to
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way to really get it was really good start sending around and they do a
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little bit of misdirection because they mentioned about Princess Leia sending
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make you think conselho and then like nope this is a new this is a new set of
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movies I thought that was a nice looking to do as well yeah and then the open and
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the ship so you don't actually see the ship that is is this first one here you
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just see that there's some silhouette crossing the planet down go these little
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pods with storm troopers in them and it's like it's ok great this feels like
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we're doing the right things here going through all the motions but also it's
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it's different and its new so I thought I thought that was that was really good
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it's doing everything you need to its conveying so much information with so
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little effort like okay because the planet like a clips because the plan is
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eclipsed by the ship its ok this is menaced this is this is big and menacing
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and straight oh and all of these things are being given to you straight away no
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confusion now no clutter just but everything is got meaning it's not only
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beautiful and clever it's it's giving information all the time which is so
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important at the start of the film is an especially these are films even if you
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imagine someone walking into this movie theater and they've never seen Star Wars
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you still know that the ship is bad news so clearly this is bad news right these
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are not people that you want coming to this planet just visually like they
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don't have to tell you anything about it there are a lot of little moments like
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this in the movie where I just found myself thinking like how competent you
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are using visual language to convey something like this this is just
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absolutely this is absolutely a pleasure to watch when when someone is doing
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doing this kind of thing yeah so I think the first the first major departure in
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the movie is the scene when the storm troopers land they are thinking of his
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as new tattoo him truly Jaku i think is the name for it
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yeah but it's another desert planet yeah it's another does deter planet it's it's
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you know it's new Tatooine
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and they're they're landing in there doing a raid and there's a storm trooper
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who is freaking out because he's this is his his first fight as you find out
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later he seeing you seeing all the death occurring around him and he's like a
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PTSD stormtrooper in this moment he sees presumably one of his friends dies this
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again was just a great thing like let's do something a little bit different and
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the and the old Star Wars movies had these couple little moments where where
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storm troopers where human eyes like chatting on the side of of them will be
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seen or whatever but here we are going to focus on a stormtrooper like one guy
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who is a real person who is going to be an actual character and I mean because I
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had seen the trailer that really made me want to presume that that was going to
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be the case that I guess storm trooper was was one of the main characters by I
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thought it was a good move I got an interesting it's an interesting and
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different place to focus in in the movie and we have this sort of this little
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battle and skirmish kick off on the on the desert planet the same and where
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someone files a blast heard a big bad and he froze the blast about in the in
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the in mid-air I mean if you'd told me beforehand that was going to happen out
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of it or not too sure about that but I was also and it was such a cool new use
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of the focus was such a cool new effect to see a lazy about frozen in mid-air
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but still sort of sizzling on the spot other that was that was so cold that
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blaster bolts was designed in the same way that Iran's lightsabers done where
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it in its like angry right it has sparks coming off the edge of it feels alive
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because this is this is the this is the plus side of making a movie many years
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later that we have better graphics technology we can make things look
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better than just lines on the screen so yes when when that blaster boulders
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fired and it stopped in mid air in it you couldn't have done that effect
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before because it would just be like others are glowing line in the center of
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the screen but with this it feels like that blaster bolt is just
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tradução dying to move forward like it's giving off sparks and its kinda
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moving around a little bit but but it's just casually held there by the dark
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side of the force and yes it is just so cool like that is exactly the kind of
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thing I can imagine if I was there I was a little kid seeing this like you
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imagine yourself like stopping blaster bolts with your hands when you're
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playing with other kids like that's just a great great thing to do in in the
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opening scene to establish I guess this guy can do amazing things right away and
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also very early on we have a bit of a market for the film as well as when when
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this this pilot here a guy whose name of already forgotten is sort of brought
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before con la Renta get a telling off and and that is really jokey he's funny
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like an early modern and modern jerky way who's gonna talk first you can talk
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the talk first like it was very like okay they gonna they're gonna be sexy
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but it was a real martin sass wasn't it was an old-fashioned humor it was like
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very modern speak and it was it was actually quite disorienting for a second
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that moment right there when the pilot says even talk first my get talks first
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and then I'll iran says something and then he does another joke which is that
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he says it's it's very hard to understand you with all the apparatus
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he's making fun of the of the mask this guys wearing that was one moment where I
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was thinking like oh I was a little worried at that point because it is that
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to me just doesn't feel Star Wars because it is very modern I'm not saying
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it's bad but it was a moment where everything was going great on this train
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and in my mind anyway like we hit a tiny bump and now I'm suddenly cautious again
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writes like shields up a little bit worried just again just because I want
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your watching the movie you just wanted to go so well in the experiences in the
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past have been so bad
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release I was anyway like hyper sensitive to everything that felt like
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slightly slightly off right at the beginning I was not a fan of that and I
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wasn't a fan of it on the second viewing again but this is where we will start to
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get into some of the things that I think are little bit off a little bit
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it did remove a lot of the gravitas of characters that i think is supposed to
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have some gravitas it did later on I i mean I really liked the humor in the
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film I'm sure we'll talk about that but there were a couple of times with the
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humor felt like it was too much from the streets of New York and not enough from
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a long time ago in a galaxy far far away there's a few things then felt I feel
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like I can say this it felt like to american in a way and in a few moments
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in the movie was ok that's feels very American and it does it doesn't feel
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like this this other place but yeah but relative relatively minor thing
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relatively minor thing at the moment since I just talked about a moment where
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I was a little bit worried about stuff I kind of want to talk about the the
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moment when I felt just sold on this movie and just really stopped thinking
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about watching the Star Wars movie and I started just watching a Star Wars movie
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yeah and this was this was when they have the introduction for the main
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character of the movie the girl ray yeah and so they there's these establishing
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shots of her and she is a scavenger on new Tatooine and she's pulling apart all
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of these ships and she has this this like I don't know how long it is maybe
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you five minute introductory scene seven minutes or so where that is totally free
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of dialogue and she's she's not saying anything the movie just showing her
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going about her her life is a scavenger and it's great because they're in the
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background their these scenes of these big ships that have crashed on
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Jaku and they don't bother explaining like how the ship's got that like who
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cares it just looks Star Wars here's this person going through the rubbish
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and there's just this little moment when she's collected up all of her stuff and
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she puts it on this little sledge is on the top of a sand dune and she slides
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down the San do
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and there's this just to my mind this pitch perfect musical that is is that
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the use throughout the movie but it's the first time you hear it I've been
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thinking about that shot I don't know why but for some reason that was just
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the moment I felt like this is really great you have injuries done at the
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bombastic here's some fight scene of their spaceships here in there like no
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you're establishing a new character you're also you're also taking your time
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in doing this you don't feel rushed very much like the earlier Star Wars movies
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which are surprisingly slow in some scenes when you watch them now this felt
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like the same thing like you taking plenty of time to do it and then on top
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of it you have new music but it's still feels like Star Wars and it still feels
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like this belongs right in in the movie I love the non smoking establishment of
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her as a brand new character and that was the point where I really feel like
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I'm just sitting back and just watching this movie and I'm not really nervous
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about it anymore or thinking about him watching a brand new Star Wars I'm just
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engaged with the new character who is doing things in this world like that's
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that's where I really felt sold on this establishing so much about her you know
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she's she's tecnico she's resourceful she's she's she's like muscular like
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she's action she's a she's a woman of action all the time even through that
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even through that sort of gentle breather after the action he's not used
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to so much about her in a short space of time still and watching that silent
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introduction the second time I was even just more aware of all of the things
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that are being established about her and also I don't know who that actress is
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never seen her before in anything but man I i think
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she nails that role every line in every scene I just think she just hits it
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right out of the park there's something about her that she's just so natural
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that she really feels a part of the Star Wars world unlike some other people I
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might mention later but I just thought she was she was just amazing she just
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fits so perfectly and it's one of these things that I can never quite put my
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finger on it but some some actors and actresses are just so natural on-screen
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you just feel like they are what they are and other people you feel like oh
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you're a good actor but I'm aware of you is being an actor and she was just the
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total natural so I felt like man who have you found her from the casting
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department it was just an amazing choice she was so good even just even just
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little things about in this silent introduction when they show her eating
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the bread that she's earned from from the items that she has scavenged she's
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eating that bread convincingly like a person who is really hungry and not
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doing it in an overly obvious way it's just so natural I guess this is a person
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who got less food than they were expecting from their scavenging and
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she's she's hungry and she's she's eating this and it sounds dumb to
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mention that but it's it's just a just a pleasure to watch them on screen who's
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just so so good at their job is she was really really just amazing
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on Mon lot side least here geez absolute top number one i think she's the best
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thing about the whole film yeah without a doubt that the actress is also the
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characters she does a great performance but the character so interesting and
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because their costumes great like every every every single thing about that
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character ray is is brilliant and I think she is absolutely makes the film I
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always wanted to say what she was up to when she was on screen could you imagine
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just imagine if George Lucas had to write a three-minute silence scene for
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introducing a new character how
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how unbearably awful would that be would he even try now of course not but it's
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and that's where like that just felt really great like man I am in the hands
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of a competent team was able to show me things without having to explain things
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like that they're people who are thinking about this where they show her
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writing the notches on the wall so you have some sense though she's been in
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this place for a long time you know everything about her life like you said
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you you learn this from her and she is great and and the the directing team
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even things like I just kept thinking wow there are interesting camera angles
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in this movie like they're choosing to put the camera in
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angled locations to show you a bunch of different stuff actually I realized on
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the second time around her first line of dialogue is in them is in some made up
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language right she's she's yelling at the guy who finds the the Droid BB 8900
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she's she's yelling in a in a different language and it just comes off as
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convincing as she she sounds like she does speak some other language and and
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even then she makes like a little head gesture and she should she's the Droid
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she just comes off right away as very very competent character and and and a
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great actress yes seriously Daisy Ridley's the actress's name however I
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feel like this is a moment where maybe I would take something which is on the
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dark side as as you have divided your lists let me get my dockside paper as
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well as well as my tax ID paper cuz for as much as I love lots of stuff in this
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movie showing you things without explaining it to you I feel like there
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was some writer on the team or someone who felt that there had to be lots of
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exposition that was redundant in the movie there are tons of lines in this
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movie where people say things twice or three times right in a row and it just
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really irked the heck out of me and this girl has one of those lines where she is
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she goes into town with BB 8-18 you in the silence seen we have established
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that she's obviously been there for a long time she's taking off his remarks
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on the wall
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but she says the to the Droid I know all about 180 for my family
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they'll be back I feel like these these lines like we know you're waiting for
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someone you don't need to explicitly say this out loud and I just like they were
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a bunch of lines were someone would just say things several times over and over
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again and I just found that kind of your eating like the exposition dial in
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dialogue was was turned up way too many times I gotta have a couple notes for
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similar similar lines were someone else later in the movie says the Droid is in
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the hands of your father Hans solo it again now we know we got it right we got
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it but you don't you have to say it twice that everybody in the movie knows
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what you're talking about I meet people don't always pay attention and if things
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are really important you gonna make sure they know them they're cut the times I
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agree I think I don't think her putting notches on the wall of her of her home
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or if she was immediately said to me she was waiting for something we did need to
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be told she was waiting for people to come back with but they are real they
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visit that later in the movie later in the lobby where they do it like it's not
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necessary to do right now you have some sense you have some sense of this
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already and I think it'd be more powerful leader if you don't like hammer
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it home and you know and then lined a great in the beginning when someone is
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talking to Kyle 0 ran away and he says over the first-order rose from the
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darkside you did not write telling us the color and didn't start out evil then
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his very next line is you can't deny the origin of your family is ok but you
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could have stopped did you did not like we understand he didn't start out on the
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dark side you don't have to like super hammered in I think my favorite my
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favorite example of this is is down at the very end they mention someone that
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the pilot guy has a line about it's it's destroying the Sun right in when the Sun
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is when the Sun is gone then the other weapon as ready as I okay that's a great
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line he says so as long as it's light out we still have a chance attacking you
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did you just said that like you just said that line with your previous line
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that that's probably one of things just irritated me the most is feeling like
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there were lots of these lines for people who like
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really trying to make sure that you following along and I understand what
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movies do that but I just don't know if you like you I always one less
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exposition then there are movies and this movie felt like they were a few
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really egregious lines of of exposition I agree with that someone later in the
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film I thought that was that was later a bit thick but I also think the fact you
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saw this film twice in three days is contributing to that and I think it's
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definitely not because that was that was I have fun looking on on my screen
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working on my screen the two sets of notes that I have which was the first
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reaction notes and my first reaction notes has a big thing saying there's 22
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much as 20% too much exposition and I wrote down that line about light and
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made a note from future me to find some of the other lines because the first
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time I watched it I felt like there's just too much of this is too much of
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this I mean I've heard you complain about this with other films to them as
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well you know i think i think you know everyone pays close to pay close
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attention so I feel about the same way but not everyone pays close attention I
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was a bit too much about but I don't think at like crippled the film and and
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I need the gym no I don't I don't think so either but it's one of the things I
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like when you're really enjoying the movie I just find that stuff like sticks
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in his stick side as this would be a better movie it without this yeah that's
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also do you have something from your dark side list that you want to mention
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something this semi related and almost funny that this is this kind of almost
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goes against what you said and that is I felt like this film like a a big
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complaint about the terrible terrible prequels is that they completely
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abandoned sort of characters and interesting counties and they
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concentrated on this boring politics and this is this big the match the Metro
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story of what's going on in the galaxy I feel like this film went very very far
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in the other direction to the point where I kinda didn't understand the big
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picture very much and therefore I didn't really care
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about some of the things that were going on like who's in charge of the galaxy
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now and that that planet they blew up I I sort of had the impression that the
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bad guys the empire had sort of had retained control after Return of the
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Jedi but then these bad guys with their stock of blowing up is that the planet
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with the Senate on it they just blew up so it is the zip code is as the military
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take over the government and let and hang on so princess Leia's like still a
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rebel so there is still rebels so the bad guys are still in control so why
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they why do they play that up and and lots and lots of the stuff happening at
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the higher level like the big the big politics I was completely bamboozled by
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and therefore I was finding it hard to sort of like a those guys with the stock
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cooler bad so obviously a play that thing up but who's in charge but what's
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going on there was there was a lot of the macro was lost on me I was very
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engaged with the micro but the big picture was lost to me and therefore for
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example at the end of a new hope you just want that Death Star blown up so
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bad you know you know how bad is you know who's good you know who's bad this
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this attack is the culmination but by the end of force awakens it's a bit like
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you care about the star killer thing and therefore this big siege at the end when
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I fly unemployed up it's a bit like yeah I can see why your blood that bad but it
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wasn't it wasn't God thank God it's gone it's gone it's gone the Death Star was
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gonna blow up every plan and the Galaxy it was really feel it is Starkiller on
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like we win next ok what what massive spherical planet destroying device that
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they're gonna be a next whistle blew up a similar thing in my first reaction
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notes that I was I was thinking oh did I miss something here because I had a note
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about the first-order Senate resistance question mark and my feeling was I don't
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understand the relationship between these three entities and you know when
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I'm what when I was first watching the movie it was ok I'm just going along
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with this we have we have obviously the bad guys and obviously the good guy
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guys but as soon as the star killer came online it did immediately drawn to my
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attention like wait I don't actually understand what's going on because this
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resistance seems separates from the senate it doesn't it doesn't seem like
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they are connected and when I was watching a movie a second time I was
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trying to pay attention they did I miss online like something explaining
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something here and we really know and there's actually a line that made me
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even more confused because when the when the evil general is giving his big
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speech about how we're going to destroy that senate he makes he makes some
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remark i wish i I caught it the exact remark but he makes some remark that
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it's the lead me to believe that there is some formal separation between the
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senate and the resistance he makes remarkable how ago that the senate is
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you know is lying about something about the resistance and then it's ok now this
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is really unclear the relationship between these entities like i presume
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that the senate is running the Galaxy now and then the first order is the
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remnants of the empire with incredible resources like oh don't mind us with our
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terror but then like where the rebellion fits into that is very confusing to me
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that like if you are not the area where the resistance in the give you are not
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the army of the senate like I'm I am confused now like you're in it you
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princess Lalla how are you connected to all of this is that felt weird the film
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would have made more sense if the resistance princess layer and the people
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with the ex wings was the military branch of the Senate but then they would
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no longer be underdogs they would be part of the establishment and you'd lose
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that whole dynamic so for some reason they've made them to some sort of
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splinter freedom fighters when when it doesn't really logically may make sense
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i mean because who they're resisting this first order lunch like you know the
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enemy that the outsiders or are they all are
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I actually had the impression that the first order was the military branch of
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the the Senate but the government and that gone bad you know because they've
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got an army that was confusing it remains confusing to me it remains
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confusing I'm sure there are answers to all these me extended universe like all
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of us like I don't really care I'm just watching this movie and I'm curious but
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the things in the universe of the movie but yeah I did think it was it was weird
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and a weird dynamic is like you want both of these sides to be underdogs they
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don't it's it's strange if it was a bit strange it's a it's a minor complaint
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but it is definitely one of the things I think of is the mark of a good movie is
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that the more you think about the movie the more the movie rewards you for
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thinking about it and bad movies are the kind of movies where you have to say I
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movie just don't think about it because if you think about it all you know it
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all just falls to pieces right and it doesn't work at all and I definitely
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have found myself thinking about the Star Wars movie a lot which is great but
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this is one of those moments was like don't don't think about the connection
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between these three entities too much I don't don't think about it because it
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it's it's it causes a little bit of a problem and it's not really explained so
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it's I think it's interesting that you picked up on that as as well I thought
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the character of skin
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this is asked a stormtrooper turned turned hero was also really good also
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super strong you know from that moment we see in the trailer where his head
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pops up and he looks like he's overreacting a little bit I'm thinking
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I'll know what have they done again I really liked him I really like to I
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really cared about him and that's that's the that's the most important thing is
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that you care about care about because he was I thought he put in a good
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performance there were 10 times I think he pushed the credibility of what that
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character would do under the circumstances when you go sexy and funny
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and remain
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there a few times like now you wouldn't be acting that way in these
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circumstances so that so for that reason you know he wasn't quite as a
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superlative characters say the rate character but I thought he was really
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good hit really good chemistry with the right character I'm really intrigued as
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to you know what will happen with their relationship so I thought another real
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asset to the film you know I think that I think they've done really well they're
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totally with their two most important characters on the hero side of things
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disagree a little bit because I really like the characters well I think the
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idea of having the storm trooper as as a character is is very good I like the
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role that he plays in the movie but he would he was one of the the actors were
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you're not there are a bunch of lines that he gives in the movie that I felt
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were clunky and he he was one of the major before saying something's felt a
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little bit to american and he was one of these things that there were moments
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with you you sound very American
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in a few of these scenes but a bit off again it just it's it's so hard they can
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watching movie is it so hard to pin down why things are different because
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Harrison Ford shows up in this movie and he talks and he's obviously American and
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he actually is American and it doesn't it doesn't feel that way but the guy
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playing Finn had a few lines I just feel like this is out of place that's what I
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meant when I said you wouldn't act that way a lot when he when he confronts his
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old stormtrooper boss towards the end of the film
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me now sort of that kind of calm in charge of charge I mean that was that
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was that mister that mister bay in a very jarring way that sort of punch out
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of the film for a for a few seconds so there yet that that's why wasn't you
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know that's why I said it wasn't as perfect a sort of the rain go away I
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don't remember ever being ever been now I know she's but she's Pittsburgh the
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whole way through but I think it's not even the lines that he has to deliver
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which sometimes they're hard sometimes but it's the way he delivers them it's
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it's his accent in his way of speaking feel like clunky lines and i ended up
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looking him up because I wanted to know if I think she's my suspicions about
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this I found out he's actually English he went to school in london keyes other
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person I have no idea who he is
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which for a Star Wars movie by the way is the right way to go you don't wanna
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have very obvious known characters are very obvious known actors in your Star
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Wars movie you want to find a new crop of people who are talented I think
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that's a really hard job to do
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unknowns were relative unknowns we're also really good but he is English maybe
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it was because he is obviously trying to hide his English accent in the movie
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because maybe they don't want their two main characters do have the same accent
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which is quite reasonable but I wonder if that's why some of his his lines of
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dialogue just feel really really clunky to me when he delivers them as I go
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you're you're not using a natural voice are trying to put on an accent and your
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accent sounds very American but maybe because it's not exactly American is why
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it feels off and weird sometimes so my feeling is is he was fine but i ik I
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would not say that he was great like I really like the character but I don't
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think that the actor did a perfect job with with what he was with what he was
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given speaking of people sending americans let's come under Carrie Fisher
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for a minute I don't know what's happened with her voice but she has sort
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of an odd voice now and she sounded her she sounded distractingly American to me
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like really strong I don't know what her accent is what part of america's from
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Harrison Ford lots of people have American accents and nothing of the sort
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of India's fishes Jackson her voice has changed in such a way over the years
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that she her voice really distracted me i i had real problems with with her she
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sounded character Carrie Fisher has been through quite a rough time since the
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Star Wars movies in this galaxy and that galaxy
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time so it is not surprising that her her voice sounds shockingly different
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sounds like no sound like someone who's been through a rough time it is weird
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because when she did first come on camera I found her distracting as well
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as a few you look very different and you sound very different and I find you
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quite distracting again in a way that I just I was impressed by how did not
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distracting old Harrison Ford was I was expecting it to be a bit oh god that's
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off-camera as fast as possible but I think he did a great job and then he was
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really believe I think they gave him too much action work today I think he I
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think that when he's running around on that freighter when those monsters are
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on the loose
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he's really lumbering like I'm thinking there's no way you're going to get away
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from those monsters like you are to be much longer and it's it's it's low
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hanging fruit on these people for being a bit wooden now but I think he was too
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old for some of the things he was being us today and it was a few times I was
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thinking fella don't make it don't make him run there someone going aside from
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that that monster sequence when they're on the spaceship and the monsters get
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loose which for me might be the low point of the film is that monster
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sequence totally agree that whole sequence up on that ship was was was
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definitely the the low ebb it is the low sequence because ok so what's happening
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in the movie at this point right is that our main characters have escaped with
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the Millennium Falcon and Harrison Ford finds them and brings the Millennium
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Falcon on board his ship and there is just this convoluted sequence that the
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end result is like luxuries we want movie we want Harrison Ford back on the
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Millennium Falcon
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everybody wants that harrison ford wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon she
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wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon everybody wants wants to get
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there and it seems to me like you know what you can do movie you could just
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just have Han Solo be really happy that he's found the Millennium Falcon again
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and just fly away on it just abandon his current ship which makes reference to
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his being too big for him to fly anyway because he doesn't have enough of the
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crew like just have him leave but instead there is this very long sequence
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where you know whatever it is that these people that Harrison Ford has had past
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dealings with a land on the ship and there's like an argument and then
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there's monsters escape all of this is just to get him on the Millennium Falcon
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and if I don't
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agree with you there were a few things that needed new chief to that point in
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the film I do agree that they took the wrong way and they could have done it
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much simpler with you know they could not handle of different ways they did
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have to establish that he has spent a long time away as a smuggler he's back
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on the smuggling track right and he'd been and he's been doing it for a while
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cause these double-crossed so many people so he's not just away from layer
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for 10 minutes he's like he's out on the loose again on his own he's out getting
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cigarettes or anything it's been it's been years and we also had to find a
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mechanism for word to get back to the First Republic that Han Solo has the
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Droid so there has to be someone to tell on him so someone has to know this so
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there there were a few little things that have to happen but here I could
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have been done a lot quicker and easier than this very non Star Wars moment of
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this of these monsters roaming around the ship join a global everyone up it
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was felt like pac-man frankly these these these circular monsters are
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rolling around the hallway eating everybody like the pellets and the
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monsters are exactly the right size of all of the hallways in the spaceship
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like me if you made your always two feet shorter bigger problem anywhere let's
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get to be lucky for the video games and you know what
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they get up again when it when when the door closes that was lucky and they keep
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pragmatism we gotta keep moving right there's no time to explain this even if
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later in the film doesn't know when they come and save her and he doesn't say it
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like but thats comes back doesn't he could have he could have said Jerry want
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to save you and taken some credit but he didn't and someone else did it for him
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yeah yeah it is it is it is a little bit of an echo but I I don't know if it's
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intentional but I'm still gonna say that that whole sequence it is the part where
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it feels like ok I'm on my second watch through you know as soon as all the
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monsters escape the perfect time to go the battery back when this chase
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sequences over even the shift in Felixstowe will ship it felt like it was
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like my alien or something and it just it was it was it was a node is not part
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the recut you know they would cut it down to be much shorter I did like the
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Millennium Falcon going into hyperspace with the monster suck sucking on the
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front of it I couldn't wait to see what would happen as they fired up the
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engines couldn't wait to see what they did to what was going to happen to it
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that is an example of things are better when they just happen but you don't
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focus on it so that is not a dramatic shot of the monster getting just plowed
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through by the Millennium Falcon you just can't see it in the background as
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does mouth that is over the front of the ship and then it separates so you know
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what's happened you know they're just right through it
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and i just i love that kind of stuff in movies like don't over focused on it
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it's better if you just have a thing happen but don't give me all of these
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for an hour I will I will pick something from a light side list which I have to
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mention complain about things
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much better than expected I was a little worried from the trailer like here's a
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robot that's made for toys but a holy crap is BB ate a horrible he's
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absolutely adorable in every scene and I am totally sold on the decision to have
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his little head rotate atop the ball body because when you watch it you
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realize man this so much
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animation as possible compared to something like r2d2
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BBA is able to remote through motion in a way that r2d2 c3po really isn't like
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they are so much more limited in their movement but his ability to swirl his
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little head around and and look in different directions it gives him such a
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character and he is no cute cute such a softy gray tell you talk when you're
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playing with Audrey when they're in the Millennium Falcon just shortly before
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Han Solo arrives there is a scene that to me it pushes the edge of things but
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favorite little sequence in the movie is Wednesday and confesses to BB 8 that
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he's not really part of the resistance gotta gotta go with me on this one I
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can't we just can't you just tell us whether rebel bases and I just think
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it's something that's really cute about that moment and I absolutely love winter
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in gives him the thumbs-up and BB 8 sticks out his little lighter thing and
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gives it a little a little his imitation of a thumbs-up that is right on the edge
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of something that I would be if the movie was done less well but it just
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came in under and I totally love that little sequence I i join the sequence I
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think the little cigarette lighter thumbs up it was stretching it and maybe
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that just just put a toke over the line for half a second game
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everything came before it gives it cause it is a funny it is a funny little
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exchange between the two is definitely a subjective moment like for you it's
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slightly over the edge and for me it is fairly under
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has barely under but it is saved by the fact that again it is so fast it is just
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a split second that he does the little later thing and pulls it right back in
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you know they focused on it too long is now this is no good but I absolutely
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love that that was that was really great
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some of the big things what did you think about new Vader Tyler ran I liked
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him I thought I like too many was menacing with his mask I thought he he
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was cool looking not over the top he looked like he looked real lucky look
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like they were trying to make something that looked amazing they were just
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making a quiet cool and standard villain when he was out of the mask and being
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like you know just the dude I thought he was close to being a little beer young
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Anakin Skywalker windy but he just he just acted well enough to get away get
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away with a chance I like to I like him as a human as well I loved his temp I
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love that he kept his lightsaber out and having his temper tantrums I like that
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about him and I like that became his like but that moment with the storm
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troopers walk around the corner and they realize he's having another one of these
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tensions in this kind of back away was like one of the funniest bits of the
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film was the thing that makes them forming as hell though the one storm
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trooper put out his hand to stop the other one in the way to give a couples
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walking along the street and wonder this is something that the other one doesn't
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because they're talking about your hand to stop the other person than just a
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little humanizing moment as you can imagine they're having some conversation
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in their head communicators or whatever it is like a way to meet a buddy this
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before we got official somewhere else right now so I did like him I'll say
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something about the the final battle about it at the end though but I like to
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do you like him I thought he was really well done and the thing that I kept
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thinking which I was amazed by any case it's just the difference that competence
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is that this new Vader is an angst evader which is exactly the thing that
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everybody complains about in the prequels that the actual Darth Vader is
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an angsty kinda teenage character and the Chi Lorraine character feels that
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he's he is in that same genre like his temper tantrums later in the movie I
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think it's interesting that when the key is in a battle and he's really upset
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he's I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice is suddenly very different
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it's like he's lost control over projecting menace rate and he's he's
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much more closer to a screeching edge of things are mostly you would expect a
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teenager to be but it works it works and I think the reason it works is because
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the actor and the costume are still able to project menace and I think the first
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time he flips out is a really key scene when when there's always in Star Wars
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like you don't want to be the officer who has to report to the darkside guy
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that's not that nobody wants that job right now it's a terrible job much
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throat choking in that situation but the first time you go through this very Star
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Wars scene where the officer has to say oh we've lost the Droid and I think it's
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great because it is stabbed wishes him is being really menacing that he he
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trashes the console in front of him and then when the officer gives this
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additional piece of information it's such a great shot of him using the force
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to do not just force choke the guy but to pull him across the room to like
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inches in front of his face and it's that kind of thing that gives it it
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gives it menace and so it feels like ok he's not just throwing a tantrum because
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things haven't gone his way is a he is furious and upset but he is also
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dangerous and I think the actor actor does it really well and I kept looking
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at the costume which I thought was a really great comparison to later because
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it's so
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slender in many ways like he he is a slender guy he doesn't have the same
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kind of huge physical presence the Darth Vader does and I think that's a really
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good choice for doing something that is similar but you have the same kind of
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Darth Vader's feel but it is it's not the same and I just thought he looked
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great in a lot of those scenes as much more slender character he's even just
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wearing like this relatively light rope that doesn't even go all the way around
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him it's just it was a great visual look and I also thought the voice was done
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very well it was his his his voice over the way he spoke
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reminiscent of Vater but not a mimicry and I think it was it was also done
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really well that it it sounded like oh this is almost like a side effect of the
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kinds of helmets that all of these people wear because I was aware that
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when he spoke for the first time very shortly after they have the the female
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general start stormtrooper talk and her voice is also distorted in kind of a
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similar way and as his I feel like it almost establishes like oh he's not
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doing the Darth Vader impression they're all just talking through helmets that
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distort their voice and maybe it's the avid audio plugin they use all of these
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people sound like this and I think that's a good choice to very soon
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here and other character who sounds somewhat similar to him like it or not
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doing a Darth Vader voice this is just what storm stormtrooper helmets are like
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and he has a custom one I love that his mass blood was a bit dinged up well as
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well like it was just the mask look lived in a distro it was it was perfect
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I was really aware of that too that there were a few dings on the on the
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front the front faceplate that this is perfect this feels like a real universe
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think this is a guy who has used this mask over the course of time and it's
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it's a real thing that has been around for a long time it is not straight from
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the prop department even though it obviously is say the new the new coaches
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are doing well what about the ok as I I mentioned I thought I was a bit
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embarrassed by chance i load times
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aside from the weird action sequence on that that spaceship I felt mostly the
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script was actually pretty good and having him not do too much again if you
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put that one action sequences side there's not much to say how many shots
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of him running around he's in there were few there are a few where he's like
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shoot his blaster and being a hero and I'm thinkin yeah when shooting your
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blaster in being a hero is very different from running really don't show
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an old man running for the most part I think that's a good decision that he he
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is there he is doing things the one that to me is over the line is when he
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doesn't even look and shoots a stormtrooper that to me was like I'm
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hitting the no buzzer on that one
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you should cut that half second because because how is that even possible right
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is he just lucky going back again to think it think about something like the
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the scene earlier in the movie when rain and Finn are escaping on new Tatooine in
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the Millennium Falcon which is a great great fight sequence and she's flying
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from the inside of one of the crash star destroyers and the gun get stuck and she
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pulls on this amazing maneuver where she know she flies through and and shuts off
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the engine at just the right moment and turns the whole ship to line up the gun
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with Thai fighter so that finding the back and shoot the gun and hit think
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that that's seen in a Star Wars movie is believable because it's conveying to you
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immediately that she is more sensitive
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no one could pull off that maneuver like Han Solo couldn't have pulled off a
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maneuver she's only able to do it because she is special I feel like a
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game that that is again like the movie is telling you something about this
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character is done really well we're as Han Solo just shooting a stormtrooper
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without looking behind his back feels like it just feels done there's no
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reason for it to happen it doesn't make any sense in the context of the movie
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and after me it's it's over the line and I would if I always get out there like
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no jeje abrams we're just gonna cut this it's it's two seconds it adds nothing
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it's not actually that funny and it's a bit out of place
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you bring up the Millennium Falcon I wasn't entirely pleased with the use of
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the Millennium Falcon I thought they got a little bit comic book cartoonish with
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it at times one of the things I like about this is a sort of feels a bit like
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it obeys the laws of physics and you know if you're if you if you if your
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plane crashes into a forest that's like bad rights and I feel like I feel at the
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Millennium Falcon survived scrapes and landing incidents that the shuttle now
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bagged up old ship so shouldn't survive and it was performing maneuvers that it
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amazing saying and so much fun that I kind of a kind of forgave the amazing
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nimbleness it was showing flying inside a Star Destroyer I forgave that yeah and
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and you point out showed that she said she had something special about her that
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she could do that very implausible move of turning it off and turning it on
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right before the impossibility is a plot point as opposed to just something that
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is happening whereas seconds earlier when she tries to take off and it its
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matches against the ground and then smashes into a building I agree with you
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it feels like is there physics here because I'm pretty sure that things
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should have been torn to pieces
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the landing on the sly planner and coming out of hyperspace so close to a
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plan and then landing on the planet the way they did like that just that was
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like ok this is like this is not believable I didn't I didn't like that
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and it also didn't feel necessary of a kind of saved why they did it with the
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snow planet because otherwise you landed on the snow plan it would be like what
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is then is there has been no freakiness required to get there
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the movie won some reason why they and only vacant land and this maneuver is
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the reason but it doesn't make sense when you think about it too long
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yes I I don't think like it was all this talk about how you know thank goodness
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Lucas didn't destroy the millennium pakistanis prequels and
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and James will treat it with care and respect it deserves
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I don't think it was treated with care and respect it deserves and I thought it
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became it was used to match and it was used
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into into his silly ways and I think it didn't do justice to the to the great
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lady of the skies I get I can definitely agree with you there like the crash
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landing in the forest it feels like I remember in a previous movie when ever
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so slightly bumping against the inside of a Death Star ripped off a vital
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component are we not in that same universe now we can just smash straight
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through trees and it's fine it just seemed it does seem a little bit does
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seem a little bit too much but speaking speaking of for sensitivity there is one
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thing in the movie that then I really feel very strongly about is just a
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terrible terrible mistake and it is near the end of his fans lightsaber battle
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with our new character Tyler on yet and when I first watched the movie I really
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didn't like this scene and I thought maybe I'm being too hard on it let me
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watch a closer and in the second watching and I hate it even more on the
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second rewatching I think nothing about that scene makes any sense it shouldn't
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happen it's bad for both characters I just I love that lightsaber seems so
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much is just the two of them in the forest before so this is yes this is
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Vinh vs Chi lo ran in the forest its snowing which by the way on the
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lightsaber fights in the in the snow in forest beautiful scene I love that they
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get just it looks gorgeous let me say that is it's it's phenomenal but
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haha why on earth can fin use a lightsaber competently it again against
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someone who's already shown as he's pretty handy with the full yeah I know
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he's injured by getting shot by chilly but it was still I think the movie was
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trying to do because there was one done seen which actually makes me think of
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indiana Jones which is the first time venues
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the lightsaber is whether they visited the the man's character there on that
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forest planets and the storm troopers have landed and he's out there he's
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unarmed he has only the lightsaber
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ok that's reasonable he's going to have to use a lightsaber in a situation
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because he doesn't have a gun fair enough so he goes out to the field he
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kills a stormtrooper but then another storm trooper in this in this moment
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which made me laugh a little bit wasn't supposed to this other stormtrooper sees
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him recognizes him goes trader and does this weird like throw down gesture where
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he just drops whatever the heck is he's carrying can't even tell what it's
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supposed to be on screen
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and then he pulls out some kind of big electric baton to like wait a minute why
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isn't this like Indiana Jones why don't you
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stormtrooper just shoot him you like you have a gun while he's not going to be
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able to deflect votes like Luke Skywalker yes he's not he's not a Jedi
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you know he's not a Jedi
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that fight scene was so dumb it's also really confusing because it was about
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selling Tony Abbott what is this what is this weapon this storm trooper has that
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is a melee weapon that light sabers can't cut through that you have this
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weapon that is can go up against a lightsaber ok that's very interesting
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and quite notable for thing that you're just going to casually have happen but
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what I think the movie was trying to establish their
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in the dumbest way possible had for some bizarre reason storm troopers have long
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sword combat training that this is a thing that they have like I think that's
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what the movie is trying to establish as setting it up for the lightsaber scene
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at the end low will call me dumb maybe I did need some exposition their way he
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says boy that's or training I've had over cause I completely missed that I
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mean I don't know if it's intentional but that's that's my guess about what
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the movie is trying to tell you but it's just implausible I i dont members of the
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UN's armed forces I would love to know that I'm pretty sure that they train you
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with guns and I'm pretty sure that they would train you in hand-to-hand combat
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don't imagine there's a lot of fencing training going on in the USSR me and it
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would make no sense for storm troopers to have that kind of training but OK
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even giving this ridiculous premise that they're doing long sword fights at
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stormtrooper Academy why on earth can he hold his own against Kyllo ran in a
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lightsaber fight for even a fraction of a second
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well enough ink on Iran's engine is in it that's what we're supposed to take
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the men they keep emphasizing their cause he keeps like touching his wounds
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and things so
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I think they're trying to somehow justify it by saying this guy's right
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he's you know he's right down on power mode we know that that's what they're
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trying to do and then they're overly emphasizing that he is injured because
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she shot him
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button loosen the key is still clearly force capable why is this fight even
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occurring why doesn't he just choked to death
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here's the way the scene in my mind has to go it has to be a bit like the
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Emperor at the end of the original trilogy who is electrocuting Luke and
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he's electrocuting Luke because they're showing you like the Emperor is really
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cruel and he gets enjoyment out of being cruel accuse you know he's not he's not
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actually trying to kill Luke and it's taking a long time because the Emperor
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is really bad with his lightning hands and he's he's doing it intentionally
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really and soda me this this scene in the end the only way this this scene can
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play out is if Kyle 0 Ren is just intentionally being cruel to fit in but
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they I was watching you really closely like they play it as though it is a real
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fight as though finn has some chance of winning and fan even land a blow right
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heel hands of blow on Carlo ran and and I'm sending now this is book like this
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this storm trooper he would just get his ass handed to him no matter how wounded
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Tyler Ennis like this should not be a fight and it irritates me because if you
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like it diminishes other lightsaber fights and it diminishes raised
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competence in using the lightsaber moments later any stormtrooper can just
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pick up a lightsaber and hold off hold their own for a little while against a
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very poor sense of individual no no you shouldn't even have Mughals using
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exactly that's that's precisely what is the only person on solo trying to save
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lives life on the outside with some amazing to see heads I'll even turn on a
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light sabers icon he knows where the on button is exactly
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exactly so that's if there's any if there's any genuine real I have a
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problem with this movie
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seen it is it is that light saber fight I just irritates me your teeth me a lot
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again because ray and the actors and like that seen with the two of them
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fighting is a great scene in the thing that's actually irritating about it is
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that when you watch that fight Kyllo ran when he goes up against Ray she is on
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the defensive for most of that fight but he is really pushing her back she is
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running and she is barely holding her own for most of that you see that's not
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my memory of my mind I mean you've seen it twice so you're right but my memory
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of that whole us actually I was disappointed by how strong she was from
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the start I actually found that implausible that someone who's only just
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discovered her for sensitivity and has never even switched on a lifesaver
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before I know she's gotta stick but it was so good luck I thought I thought
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that was implausible the whole finding kinda passed me by Audrey pay attention
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but I thought I thought the spanking she gave Carlo read was implausible I
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thought she should just scraped by in that fight that I thought she was
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dominant the way the fight plays out is that for the first half of it he is
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pushing her back and she is running and she's she's running away from him he
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corners her and the end he has little moment where he offers her training
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course and pushes the lightsaber up against righties pushing the lightsaber
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against her and then presumably she does a little like force meditation thing for
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a moment and gathers upper strength and that's when she then pushes back against
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him which I agree that it's not my favorite thing in a movie where
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character he's suddenly much more competent but it's ok I will let this go
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but but that's why when she first picked up that lightsaber she's being much more
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like a normal person who would be using it as a shield to deflect from incoming
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blues and trying to put distance between themselves and like this for as wielding
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maniac with his lightsaber you know but it is all he's perfectly capable in a
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fight so that's what I just didn't it didn't like that at all
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tell you what i don't i don't mean to get all mushy but that's saying when the
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lightsaber comes out of the snow towards bypasses him and goes into her head and
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then a little bit of Star Wars music place that check that checked me out
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there was great I was absolutely I was like i was thinkin that was like that
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was that was the emotional part the film was not bad I love it was a very it was
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a very Star Wars shot very very much a Star Wars feeling was one of your big
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bullet points at you when we gonna do with some of the really big things here
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that whether it's ok let's do with one of the biggest things about and that is
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the really obvious obvious way in which the force awakens and has incredible
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coincidence as with the first yeah I mean you've got you've got the desert
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the desert orphan a lonely person finding the Droid has the secret map and
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plans and then you've got that person meeting up with him so low and she
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backer and having some adventures and then you've got the big siege on the on
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the big spherical planet destroy at the end I mean it was the movie should be
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called Star Wars a new hope to yeah it was it was almost like a reboot in some
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ways I know their differences and I know it took some stuff from attended the
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Jedi and new hope in kind of match them together but it was almost because it
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was like and I'm not saying this is a bad thing maybe this is a good thing but
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it's almost like there's only one story to be told
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like Robin Hood that's that's how many ways can you tell the Robin Hood story
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is that is that what is that what we like about it is this is this is this is
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a remake rather than a sequel it's an interesting question because the movie
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is remarkably close to a route that reboot or remake
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I was gonna say almost embarrassingly so but I don't mean it in a way that the
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film and it's not embarrassing but almost like it's like a big elephant in
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the room it's like it's like you want to turn to the person next to say he saying
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this are you noticing history because this is exactly what happens and it's
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just different people acting up yeah it's always different people have
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different have some of the same people there admiral a car how are you doing I
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guess your fish species lives a remarkably long time ok there's a bunch
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of that which is is it's so it's so similar it's it's quite remarkable it's
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quite remarkable the force moves in mysterious ways maybe it's so what do
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you think do you think that's ok well obviously I do cause I liked the film
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it's kind of an original but maybe I just don't mind that I mean I could
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watch I could watch ten different robin hood movies you know I love you know out
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classic tales around classic tales and send Star Wars original trilogy has
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become an old classic timeless become a myth and we love watching a miscarry
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versions time and time again and maybe that's maybe that's what's happening
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before our eyes here it's sort of a revision of the myth with a few of the
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things that's weird is it so obviously connects with the original as well you
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know they talk they reference the original films obviously you know what
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happened back in the day so
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happened back in the day so
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that's that's where that line becomes very blurred but it's kind of like did
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you not have a new story like did you just could not think of a new story did
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you deliberately use the old story aid are you doing it because you think that
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would tap into a nostalgia are you doing it because you think this is maybe the
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way the force works and there's this kind of poetry it runs things going on I
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mean I don't I don't know I don't know if that's your little reference there is
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precisely what I was thinking through watching the whole movie the first time
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is in the red letter media reviews of the prequel movies they have a couple of
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shots of George Lucas behind the scenes saying this line about how he wants the
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prequels to be like poetry and to rhyme with the original trilogy that he thinks
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it's okay for similar things to happen because this is his idea of storytelling
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and red letter media really just slams him on this just again and again because
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it's just terrible those movies absolutely terrible and so I was
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watching watching this movie and thinking I kept hearing Lucas in my head
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going it's like poetry it runs this time I am ok with his father isn't it
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bothered me a little bit on the first watching but today when I want you to
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second time which now means I mean how many times have I seen a story where a
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gigantic planet rowing machine blows up in my life
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many many times and on the second watch through it it bothered me much much less
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I couldn't even really think about how this is exactly like a new hope again
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and it's just a thing again goes to the the lesson high competence makes all the
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difference does it really matter what the story is any story can be
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interesting if competently executed and a great story can be terrible if poorly
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executed now what I wonder though is why I think this has to have been a
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deliberate decision that they were going to essentially redo a new hope that cut
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not have noticed but i think is this is probably
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probably a good decision if you know you have competent people on board because I
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mean we now have Disney owns the intellectual property to start wars and
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so we know that there will be no shortage of Star Wars films in the
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Disney has made remarks about this damn plans to do big movies and small movies
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very much like the way the Marvel universe is unfolding in in movies and
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TV shows now so there's going to be a lot more Star Wars and I think it's it's
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fine for this one to be a kind of remake of the older movies establishing that
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Star Wars feeling like yes people like that are more inclined to like this
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movie because its matching up with things that we know you already like its
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another big picture thing to hear because you know a lot of people who
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don't like the prequels myself included always say they use of you know robbed
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me of the glory of these films that I loved when I was a child I think in some
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ways this film has robbed me of even more interesting because the final say
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in return of the Jedi is a very pleased burned into the memory of any young
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person isn't that there around the fire there happy the empire is vanquished
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you're full of hope and your imagination can run wild of Luke Skywalker becoming
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this great Jedi and happily ever after and had a layer of finally together
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forever like we always wanted them to pay and everything
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everything's gonna be good and now we know that that's not what happened later
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became estranged hand was due to die this terrible death some point in the
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future in these terrible terrible circumstances we know that Luke went off
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the rails and became this crazy unhappy so it's like all of that niceness I have
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at the end of the chain of the Jedi where I can stream of dream about what
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happened next and come away with this warm feeling is gone now like now
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whenever I watch that final scene Return of the Jedi
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look at them around the fire and go if you guys know what's coming next you
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would look so happy that is such a brady way to look at the end of a movie just
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sitting there thinking everything's going to be great from now on when I
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watch when I watch the end of July I I feel I can feel happy for them having
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won this battle but I always had the feeling of cicada what what happens next
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and what I don't expect to happen next is just a party on Endor for all of high
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but that's not what course of course but that's not what we return of the Jedi is
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Return of the Jedi isn't supposed to be another yet another battle one it's the
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end of the war the first two films are a series of battles they they win a battle
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they lose a battle they weren't about to lose about you and then at the very end
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they win the war and that is what is so beautiful everything
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everything has you know that's what's so warm about the end of this series but
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now we learned no they didn't it was just another battle another bloody star
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planet blowing up things gets bill yet again they've got a jump in their ex
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wings and shooting in its magic belly button where you can blow it up is this
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just gonna happen for all of eternity blow-up blah podesta build another one
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block and esta build another one to borrow a phrase from other franchise all
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of this has happened before and all of this will happen again that that that is
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a little bit that feeling but that's also why as we mentioned before I
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actually do find the absence of the macro it's a bit of a problem for this
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movie because it does feel like what happened after that that ending in Jedi
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in now what government is going on I really do think that that is a bit of a
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missing connecting piece and I am I am fine and expect the notion that there is
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continued adversity in the future but there is there is a disconnect between
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what happened then and and what happened now why is laying in this resistance as
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opposed to the other government that that for me is the problem I can
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understand what you're saying that you feel like you have been robbed of the
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happy ending from the from the end of the movie but I i don't i don't
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necessarily have to have that same feeling I don't get me wrong I can and I
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would rather have the force awakens than nothing because you know we straying
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into Godfather three territory here do you know I've never seen any of the
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godfather
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ok let's do that another time cuz I'd love cause I didn't watch The Godfather
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movies for a very long time and then when I finally did I was like oh my god
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what did I do this years ago so maybe that's a maybe that's an assignment for
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another day but that the future show would do that the night we do a chick
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anyway so I mean you know the Godfather three famously is this third movie that
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a lot of people which wasn't mad cause the first two are so perfect and yes
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even I have ever seen the Godfather movies I know that this is the
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reputation of God yeah but you know I think he's still a really good film and
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would I rather have a third film just say there's another one I can wash or
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would I prefer they never touched this sacred cow of the first two films and
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maybe that's the case here but I think after the prequels are made for
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selection was almost needed to sort of to save face to cleanse the womb but
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would it be better
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would it be better if we could go back in time that we just had those first
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three Star Wars films made and nothing else no prequels not even all the other
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ancillary stuff would have been nice untouched little nostalgic perfect thing
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and the more interesting question if you ask yes would you rather have the
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original three and nothing else I mean obviously if you could erase the
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prequels from existing you would but is the prequels
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paying the price of the prequels is that worth it to get what is coming in the
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well that that depends on what the rest of the movies look like yeah I'm an idea
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I guess I guess we can only sit and watch those first three films so many
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times but with many many times over the course of life
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can I say what do you think of the name stop killer for that thing is that what
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they actually called it's called stock color isn't there to use it once and I
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think they deliberately use it once they realize I mean Luke Skywalker was
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originally gonna be cold Luke stocker wasn't he in the first script so I think
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it's also nice to be a little not too late maybe but but I think it's
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beautiful I'm now and I do have problems with that weapon I don't have problems
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with the big bad weapon that name is literally a description of what the
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weapon does since it sucks up a son and shoot out other planets I know times
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change and I know this is thirty years later but there have been some
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incredible advances in technology that we were made privy to the original star
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was if they can now if they can first convert a planet into a weapon and then
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a weapon that's capable of setting up a start shooting at I mean this is
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sounding a lot more Star Trek and Star Wars yeah that's a good that's a good
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point there's something about that weapon that is very Star Trek ceiling
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and it it it don't have the resources in the technology does be like in the next
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movie is is this scrappy scrappy first order going to be building Dyson Sphere
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yeah yeah I use his perpetual motion lights it was implausible weapon as this
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upping the ante and and they do have that one shot which is the literal the
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literal upping the ante when the doing the debriefing I mean there's this move
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that movies do which is always remarkably effective but I'm still is
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aware when they do where you have the characters call out something that's
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happening in the movie to make it less implausible and somehow when the
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characters acknowledged it you just much more willing to let it go
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someone like always another death star and they go oh no look the Death Star
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was this big London double-decker buses on top of each other to
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infographic moment and and the most the most calling out of luck we know exactly
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what we're doing is when Han Solo has to say is there a way to blow it up there's
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always a way to blow it up
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and it does it does like a city does kinda work in movies when they do that
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but it is also an acknowledgement of like we know exactly what we're doing
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that we have to tell you that the Death Star it's it's a bigger and I wonder if
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there's a way to blow it up there always is that the other night the other great
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line that has that kind of steps out of the movie for a second and winks the
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movie but was so good was when vince says he was going to do something to get
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no one knows what the forces but it definitely doesn't work like that so you
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didn't know Han Solo was going to die I did not see at what point did you
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realize it was about to happen and how did you feel when I happen cause I
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missed out this gas moment ok well here's the problem even though I wasn't
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spoiled there are things that happen in movies that Telegraph so clearly what is
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going to happen
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yeah I mean that clearly had that and when they're there this is again is one
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of these cases of exposition irritating the crap outta me and exposition kind of
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ruining something that's coming up which is when we are talking about planting
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all the detonators and you know the place they have to blow up so the whole
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thing blows up the place of no guardrails yeah they are going to paint
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these detonators and his two things that immediately happens which is one con
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suggest a plan she makes a sound and Han says oh that's much better I'll go down
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there you go up there is little warning sign number one in your brain that
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they're drawing attention to things might have gone a different way but
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they're not going to be there's no reason for that to happen in scraps
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but the real thing which is just ok is that high and then has to say too chewy
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here you take the detonator and it just bothers me because we've already
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established earlier in the movie on so literally says my friend has a bag full
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of explosives why don't we
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that I would presume that she has the detonator but as soon as you're drawing
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attention to someone having the detonator at that moment was like ok so
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there was going to die within the next three minutes you just know it's going
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to happen you just know what's going to happen and then when Finn enraged
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arrived at the convenient point at the viewing window to watch everything
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unfolded at New Hope mirror you know where everyone arrives at the one place
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just in time to watch out here I get lightsaber exactly so I don't I don't
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mind if in and rain arriving at the balcony viewing and I don't mind the
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dramatic no guardrails ladder empty space like man they have the worst
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health and safety standards at all these Empire basis I don't mind that because
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it's it's setting things up its fine but the little line about the detonator just
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irritates me more because is there anybody in the world who would have been
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super confused when she ran out and took out a little thing and press the button
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and it exploded
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is there anybody who would have gone how did he make that explain where did the
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10 metre come from Nike has the bags full of explosives I presume the
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detonator is in there why movie do you have to draw attention to this in such a
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way that so clearly Telegraph's what's coming up on the figures could have been
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on a time as well for goodness sake no one cares
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blows up yeah it doesn't matter that that's another way of doing it just have
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it be on a timer
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side note here I absolutely love that they use the same little sound effect
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for the bombs that was in the original movies like there was a lot of little
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details with the sound work on this movie that I just loved and there was
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some bombs in the original trilogy is in the clearly went back and got the exact
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same sound effect use for these bombs of the little charging up or you know when
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they press the button to get it ready so I did you know someone cared making this
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movie I like that then for goodness sake great can I just take issue with one
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would you keep using then and I know you're using it correctly and I'm
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probably not you keep talking about competent and competence
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I think if you say someone had a competent job you're saying they did
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enough I think the people that made this film will be on competent I think they
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were very good at making films yeah yeah yeah the reason I keep using competence
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is because I'm really comparing it with someone who was quite incompetent that's
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that's why I'm phrase I'm not saying that they hit only competence you know
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they they weren't complicate the competence is if you have to fill up a
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glass to get to excellent right they did a great job and then by definition the
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glass has to be filled up to at least competence
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else didn't didn't hit that mark the guy that invented all the meadow possible
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basically yeah exactly so even knowing it's clearly Telegraph's Han Solo is
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going today and also I mean you can if you know anything about the background
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Star Wars you know that Harrison Ford is kind of a grumpy guy who was weirdly
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accidentally a famous actor and seems really grumpy about the whole thing and
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who also had some arguments with George Lucas about whether or not Han Solo
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should die in Return of the Jedi that he was very strong on the opinion that Han
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Solo should die at the end of that movie so it it feels like Harrison Ford
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definitely once to test out in a dramatic way if you possibly can lead it
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was his previous goals so it's not surprising that he dies in this movie at
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that scene was really well done and another emotional point I thought there
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was a real little of real little gut punch is when he calls out then to get
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his son's attention that is exactly the kind of thing that might seem like an
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know hun solo is going to die here but that that extra kick in the gut of they
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named their son Ben that that ads like this emotional emotional piece to do
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that seems I thought that was that was a really nice way of adding something to
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that then seeing that you know is going to play out in a certain way
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how did you how did you feel about that scene yeah I had a much bigger part in
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the film than I ever expected
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yeah me too I was very surprised at that yeah they they certainly got their their
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pound of flesh out of him before they they did away with him you know
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obviously the opposite of luke hasn't hasn't earned his wages yellow thing I
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was actually wondering because in in the unions in hollywood unions the teaching
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very differently if you're someone who has spoken line of dialogue if you're
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not or if you're not I was kind of wondering about that about Mark Hamill
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ago he doesn't say a single word I wanted to get people it's because I'm
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hoping he'll have something to do in the next film but yeah I was was a ride with
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him tying I kind of I'm not I say why we've got the old actors back and I hope
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they do something also with Luke Skywalker but I have to say the return
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of all these out characters has left me a bit colder than I thought it would
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come and say 3 p.m. I think I could have done without him all he did was annoying
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me and get him out of there you know and I've got this radar now set to sell more
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toys I can only assume that new toys but but it's funny you mention that because
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the C three be 0 appearance with wen Han and Leia meet again for the first time
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presumably after years of estrangement and then C three be 0 pops into camera I
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have to admit that kinda helluva laugh at me because I expected and I did not
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know that c3po was in the movie like I had no idea just as a light note here I
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went to the theater without ever having even seen the poster for the movie which
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I was really glad because the poster actually gives away and so for me
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watching it knowing nothing like the CCPO showing up was quite a surprise and
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could not have been done in a better way I can just thought it fit just perfectly
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with his character is famous for stopping them kissing isn't even things
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like that I I like that it just worked out I kind of like the Red Army this
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this notion that
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he is both really vein and also doesn't understand the way humans perceive him
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that he thinks he looks completely different with this with this red arm
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but I also agree that there there was a little bit of a feeling for me was 33 P
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O and r2d2 of do we need to we do we need these characters back I'm not a
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hundred percent sure that we really we really do I'm sort of thinking on the
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fly here but it might be a mock wrap up here I'd maybe the problem I had with C
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three period being in this field is he is now tired by the prequels so he's
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parties part of those so bringing him into this is a bit like unless he does
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so many stupid things in those prequels like so many scenes that we won't even
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talk about that it's a bit like Jar Jar Binks appearing it's a bit like having
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memories of you know wrong heads on robots and bad puns and I'm thinking
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about you know you're giving me flashbacks and not to the good films are
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giving me flashbacks to the bad films so maybe it's that I feel like I feel like
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it added it added little and you know and he's not like important he's not
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important like so low and Luke Skywalker you let your your musical legends is
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Luke Skywalker it's not like it's not like people thirty years later going oh
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my goodness it's the amazing see 3 p.m. who'd helped with some translation so
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yeah yeah I I see what you mean I do I get why is there not a big deal but it's
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not a big deal because he's he's not a big character but I did have this little
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bit of a feeling when it's actually are DDT was a really problematic character
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in this movie but did feel when r2d2 wakes up and he has the rest of the map
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for some reason it's it's a bit weird the dialog that happens there is that ok
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r2d2 has the rest the map along with this but it is that there is a feeling
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like ok we have three drugs now 100% sure
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and and this feeling of I like you was surprised how much of a role on and lay
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ahead in this movie because my presumption was they were going to have
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a relatively minimal role and be handing over Star Wars to this next generation
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of characters and I never really thought about CBO and r2d2 was being in the in
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the subsequent movies and it looks like he's going to play some role in the
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future of movie and obviously Luke is going to play some role in the future
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movie and it begins to feel a bit like an ensemble cast of ok we have Leia and
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we have Luke and we have r2d2 and we have seen 3 p.m. he feels a little bit
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crowded like this I want more space for new characters like let's let's do new
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things and I understand like BBA is very much and r2d2 new generation thing but
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it's maybe that's why there's this feeling of how do we need our duty to
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end BB 8900 you know I agree I mean I'm not too worried about the i mean
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obviously look is gonna be this sage Ben Kenobi so I'm happy with him continuing
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through the ages and Hensarling it basically does his hand over in this
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film doesn't and I can imagine life is gonna probably be maybe just be some
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non-action bureaucratic you know muscle type character who's just you know it's
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a basin gives lectures so I don't think she's going to be a plug stuff up and
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things like that so I'm not too worried with the integration of the humans but I
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just feel like a safe appear just gets on my nerves now it's it's totally okay
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because perhaps my favorite line of the movie not because of because of its
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delivery not because of how entertaining it is not because of anything that the
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line actually conveys except what it the director is expressed explicitly telling
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you is when the new general and Kyler and are having this little argument over
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the storm troopers and
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and ran says maybe we should be using clone troopers instead of these these
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regular army guys and the general is irritated he says oh no my my soldiers
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are supremely well trained and we don't need a clone army to me that line is
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like jay jay abrams looking directly at the audience and saying you know all
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that stuff with the prequels forget it doesn't exist in this universe we don't
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have clone troopers like none of that really really connects as I would be
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shocked if anything to jeopardize has a real connection to anything that happens
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in the prequels to feel like like that line really just closes the door and on
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one side of of that door there's the original trilogy is and there's jeje
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Abrams movie and on the other side of the door
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out in the cold or the prequels and this movie is making that really official I
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just love that they took their time dad and his line which makes no sense to
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almost anybody who isn't a pretty big star Wars fan but they took the time to
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have this little disagreement be like yeah there's no clone troopers you know
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the whole thing that the prequels were about that they focused around yet we're
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just doing all of that I mean I read that line differently in a few different
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ways that I say that meeting as well how did you read originally though
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well obviously thought it was being used to show there's an antagonism between
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the two characters cause it's one of the first times we say that they are on the
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same page as general as a general I think his name is not on the same page I
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can also see it serving the purpose cause obviously those pic was credits so
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much confusion as to the status of Stormtroopers phones are other humans so
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I think the point was to say whatever you thought about the middle trilogy
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about the status of Stormtroopers are they still closed have been humanize
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whatever you thought this is what they are now the humans said don't be
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confused about why Finn is a stormtrooper it doesn't look just like
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the boba Fett
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everything's alright relax I doesn't have a New Zealand accent you know he's
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fine I thought it was more conscious dealing with a few possible points of
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confusion and also I thought they setting up something for the future they
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setting up something about clowns coming later but in hindsight I think there I
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would I would be shocked if they ever bring the clothes back that's that's
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running outline is delivering but I also agree that began as a minor point I
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think it's really well done to show that the general and Kyler and are they are
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on the same sort of level again it's it's it's very new hopi in that Darth
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Darth Vader in that is part of this whole establishments but he's in charge
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of it he's just another guy is working with the Emperor and I like this this
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movie does the same kind of thing was like I love when you get this feeling
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that he is working alongside the military but is partially out side of it
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but neither of the two of them have direct command over the others like they
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are each in charge of a different thing each working for forgot his name with
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the new major said Lord
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The Wizard of Oz something like that I S
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speaking of this general Hawks I thought that was unless something's gonna change
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which probably will I thought that was a bad piece of casting I like that actor I
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like jim DeMint other stuff I thought he was the wrong man for the road and maybe
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the bros gonna change and you become he's gonna grow into NBC to tonight but
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at the moment I felt like he looks more like the work experience kid than the
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person who would be in charge of all do you think you look too young I think it
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looks too young and he just doesn't have an authority about him that like you
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know grandmas and people that had he has been hard to beat that guy was awesome
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yeah there's peter cushing but I think this guy doesn't doesn't have thought
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and Dom Dom whole Gleason I think it might be I'm sure is is the actor and I
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I didn't get up I like him as an actor when I heard he was in the film I saw
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great he's co-director I'm sure he'll be really good but the road just seemed
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incongruous to me that he had there and I thought that was my thought that was
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amiss but maybe he's gonna something's gonna happen to him later his character
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will go on a different journey that be more suited to the actors skill set but
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at the moment I think they should have had someone with a bit more authority
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inexperienced about ya see from me I think he worked I was worried when he
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showed up because I have I have seen him mostly in an episode of black mirror of
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course and I have seen him as the male lead in a couple of chick flicks and
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he's a striking looking person you know it's him right away and but in all of
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his roles I have found him to be a very good actor but when he did show up in
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this movie my feeling was oh it's like i I was eventually sold on him in this
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role as this character and the feeling that I have is that ok yes he's a little
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young but maybe he is just extremely competent at what he is doing and when
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he does his big speech to the to the soldiers which was a little weird say if
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you ask me but when he does that he said was a bit independence and he supposed
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to be given that stirring stirring speech that this sort of big moment to
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kick off this finale just into didn't do anything for me I'm like I'm not feeling
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that you don't have you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't come on me you
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don't have the charisma for that you know didn't work but maybe maybe I was
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having a sip of my coke at the time and not paying enough attention this is the
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thing without ever everybody reacts differently to different characters that
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I think I think he was fine until I was wearing when he showed up I think he did
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ok where r is again as we've said many times the beginning please rate the
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nominal job and I don't think Finn was the
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know we had some clunky lines and the other character who like the pilot guy
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we're super sold on him and this is something about this but I was
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disappointed when the pilot showed back up later in the movie I think that he
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should have died in the TIE fighter crash at the beginning I think that is a
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much stronger start to the movie that you have this character they've built
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him up to be a kind of smart ass kind of guy they've given him a little bit of
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characterization and then he dies
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passing on this mission to fit in and to bring him back later just feels it just
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feels cheap and I don't think he was struck me some amazing actor I wasn't so
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great this guy is is back I wasn't really in love with his character and so
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I was I was disappointed at the scene where you're supposed to be like oh boy
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that amazing pilot is back
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ok I'm not entirely convinced his parentage won't be of some interest in
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the subsequent films the pilots parentage
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everybody's parentage is in question in the Star Wars yeah that's why I think I
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think he you know he says they keep emphasizing the heat abnormally good
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pilot and there are only two people I know who are really good powerless in
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the Star Wars universe yea and they're both pretty important characters so I
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dunno I think I think you know you're right it would have been it would've
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been cool if it does really quickly but I don't think I think we might have had
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a little girl action on the side there could be a few things that could they
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and so yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure where he's going because he's like he
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seems to be amake ekta for the film and yet he didn't really do much in this
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film yeah he's obviously one of the three characters that are going to be
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going on for the rest of the movies and he is one of those three and then my
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feelings
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and he hasn't he hasn't earned his place in that three so that makes me think
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there's something more to him yet he hasn't earned his place and and also the
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guy please finish up a few of his line deliveries were just not super great he
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just the sounds really stupid BC quite short guy much of it doesn't seem to
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have much of a presence that when he first came walking down the ramp up when
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you go to be shipping he appeared and that when he can I was a bit like he's
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sort of Lex Lex he lacks the physical presence of his kind of cop sureness
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yeah the thing that's kind of reminded me is in Star Trek Voyager in the first
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couple of episodes they try very hard to establish that their pilots is a similar
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kind of thing that their pilot is an amazing pilots and he's this rebel guy
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and they pulled him out of a prison due to have him do this special mission for
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Star Trek Voyager and all of the characters are constantly talking about
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how he is just like this badass pilots and the actor it just does not have that
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characteristic he looks like he should be wearing a white sweater tied around
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his neck and a pink color church just he just looks like a really crappy
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upper-middle-class kind of guy yeah and and no matter how much you have
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characters trying to tell me the Tampere is like some badass imprisoned was an
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amazing pilot he just isn't and I totally agree with you that this this
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pilot character whose name I don't even know this is kinda wanted to die in the
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beginning is it that he does not he doesn't have that kind of on-screen
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presence I talks the talk and I think he's kinda like his face in his hands
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unlikely swagger but he just seems like a small it just seems like there's not
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much of him he said I could be wrong I mean I agree about Tom Paris is always
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supposed to be this action hero
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and he always looks like a new look to be unseated in a but exactly but I don't
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think I don't think this new character whatever is going to forget it suffers
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from that kind of power responsiveness it's more a kind of I'm not saying its
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responsiveness which is great but it's it's a similar kind of a lack of this
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had the best pilot in the resistance on board
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why do you have to say that would anybody in real life say that I don't
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think there and it was written in text for us which is which is which is also
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but the fact they emphasized so much as were also made me think like also I
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thinking I was he like the son of hand side alone or is he the son of Luke
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with his wish that movies are neither did make a decision either you kill
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characters or you don't
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but the thing that I hate the most is the death faked out of characters and
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that you know it always feels to me like you just rob you earlier scenes of of
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any importance and it's become such a trip now to that mean did anyone
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actually think he was dead surely not like it was a bit silly it would have
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been a big twist if he was dead cuz it was Jay Jay Abramson jim says some
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interesting things in movies sometimes I was actually running under the
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assumption that he was dead and I thought wow what a relief but it might
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have also just been some wishful thinking
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you got you got double faced when he appeared back on screen great was the
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only person the cinema
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i mean i think is there is something really unremarkable about him because
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even when they showed him in the in the X-wing when he flies back on I didn't
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twig that it was him until fin delivers again that line like boy that guy sure
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is an amazing pilot if I can see it I can see it on the screen you don't need
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to tell me this speaking of breaking the laws of physics by the way when they
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show human beings doing like maneuvers that would require reflexes and things
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beyond what human can do like some of those little barrel rolls and tens I do
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have problems with that to like it seems like a nice human like that would tear
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human's body to pieces some of those turns and maneuvers that were being down
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yet alone whether they have the actual cognitive ability to be thinking that
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fast anyway this is always think it's it's it's how how far can they push
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things before you feel like it's too far with it with some of the some of the
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next week I didn't really think about that too much I just there is something
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great about X-wing TIE Fighter fights it's just that it's a it's a pleasure to
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watch again I love all the sound work on the TIE fighters they just have such a
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particular sound that I love so one other thing I want to mention was just
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thinking about this movie forrest was thinking about the dreaded prequels one
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of the things I was really aware of watching this is in some of the opening
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establishing sequence of this movie with rain her life and then on the desert
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CGI animals in the background that I couldn't help but notice because that of
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course is one of the great scenes of the remade version of the prequels of just
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like crap in the background just everywhere and i'm looking at the CGI
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animals in the background of this movie and game just appreciating what a well
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done movie can do because I was looking at them out
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why don't these animals bother me and the answer is they're all there for a
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reason and so the very first background animal that we see is in that silent
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establishing sequence for Ray when she gets she's done with her scavenging she
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gets back to town and she's pulling behind her on this led this little load
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of stuff that she has scavenged and coming in the opposite direction is a
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CGI animal pulling a way bigger load of scavenged stuff and this to me is it a
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great example of that animal adds to the scene like a comment on her life that
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she is there as a kind of beasts of burden doing this very manual labor and
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this animal that is going in the opposite direction is at that moment
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doing her job better than her because she's she's only able to carry so much
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and it is carrying this enormous amount of stuff like that that just that one
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little shot is the perfect example of how to add stuff that is atmospheric
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without being distracting that animal has a reason to be in that scene it's
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not just oh I wanna make this place look really busy an Alien and Aliens
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everywhere baby animals everywhere
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adding nothing doing distracting stuff sneezing when main characters are
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walking into buildings it was it was just great and then the other the other
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big CGI animals which is a very close to being George Lucas e but not quite with
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the gigantic elephant thing that's drinking from the water but but even
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that animal it's ok you can argue that it doesn't need to be there but it's
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still add something to the scene because it provides a good reason why then is so
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desperately thirsty that he's drinking the water hits obviously disgusting
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because there's big giant disgusting creatures also drinking from it and then
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it's the motion of that creature that distracts him for a moment so he sees
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this this by taking place between ray and some other scavengers and said they
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had to be just a just a great example of you want to have stuff in your
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movie to show that it's an alien place that's great but it works when they are
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doing things when they have a reason to be in the scenes just too many draws it
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a tremendous example of the difference between like what george lucas does and
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what a competent to do it was competence at its very best and even just any other
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other very minor thing but just I love that in in those desert scenes the actor
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playing Finn is sweaty
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know why because they're really in a desert that he's really hot actually
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somewhere you know they're not on a on a green screen they her filming out in the
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desert in Abu Dhabi or someplace just it's a little thing like that just makes
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it so real like this guy actually has sweat on his face because he is a really
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hot wherever he is standing like thank you change abrams for building sets and
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taking people places and and making it feel very real I mean the desert sayings
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by far and away the highlight of the film for me or that the star of the film
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along with the lightsaber in the snow in terms of visuals but that but the desert
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not only is visually the most appealing part but it's also just the most
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engaging powerful film like it was it was the highlight of the film a film
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that I like all the bits of that was that was by far and away the best part
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of the film for me let me ask about the end of the film so first of all there's
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a question would they just send rate to go and make it look skywalker the person
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they've been
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everyone has been looking for for the last thirty years and they finally find
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out where he is and they send the skills they've just met well you know chilis
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with it I mean I understand maybe they want to keep a low profile but would you
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not send like your best pilot or it doesn't it doesn't seem low profile when
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you have everybody in the base cheering her on as she leaves him presumably
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they're all cheering her on because they know where she's going she said that but
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let's leave that to one side I mean I'm glad they sent over a decision what do
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you think of that the end the final say no
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we finally see Luke Skywalker and she holds out that lightsaber and I think
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the movie should have ended three minutes earlier with her taking off and
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flying in into space to go finally at the end of the end of empire
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the pacing of the movie aside from the monster seen in never really felt slow
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to me it never felt like ok slow down for a moment even when the scenes
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themselves were slow the movie the peace always felt appropriate but that was the
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only time where I felt a little antsy all of a sudden my seat is movie over
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we're done right she's gonna go often and find the Skywalker ok that's great
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felt like such a natural end to me that I was thinking I was going to say look
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skywalker because there's such a good time to end and we haven't seen him so
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obviously we're not going to say and then they like tagged arm ok we gotta
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show you this is this is another example of where knowing anything is a bit of a
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spoiler because even have a watch the first trailer my brain is always doing
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the thing that I do when watches movies we're just taking off all of the scenes
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like we haven't seen X wings flying across the water yet oh they're standing
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at a place where there's a big lake I guess this is where the ex wings are
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coming in just tick tick tick tick tick and simply knowing that Mark Hamill was
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in this movie is a bit of the movie should obviously and here but I know
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that it isn't going to end it it really feels to me like why do they have this
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scene I think they have this scene so that Mark Hamill is involved in this
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movie I think this this scene is here for reasons other than the pure
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movie-making up it would have been a great bait and switch and they could
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have argued he was in it because of his flashbacks exactly exactly I think they
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easily be easily could have done that I just I dunno I really feel like that
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scene was there because they wanted to have mark hamill involved in this
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production and it was not there because it was the best way to end this movie
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yeah I think you're probably right
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that aside like once we accept ik they gonna do it I have to say I was not a
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big fan of the final shot this sort of big aerial shot of the helicopter going
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around the pinnacle showing the two of them it was the perhaps the one camera
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shot in the whole film that didn't feel like a Star Wars movie yeah I agree it
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felt like a BBC TV documentary with someone's doing a documentary about the
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island and they should have this big shot with a presenter goes and here you
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can see older coast that has been here and let it fail and was obviously in a
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helicopter and it just didn't it didn't belong and I think the one of the
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reasons this film feel so much like a Star Wars film is that change abrams
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restrained himself and like although there is so much more creative with the
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cameras then Lucas was he didn't go overboard like it's not quite as friends
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because even the new Star Trek movies and other things it like it it did
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retain an old-fashioned feel the camera moved a lot more than like in films that
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was kind of a deliberate sort of space opera decision to say let's be a little
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bit about school and traditions and there was no shot that was the
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equivalent in star track of where Kirk realizes they are working into it
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a trap and he runs through an enormous sets doing a whole bunch of stuff and
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the cameraman is running behind him
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yeah that that is a very JJA abrams feeling shots and has a moment from that
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movie and they don't do that kind of camera motion anywhere in this and you
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might be right that might be one of the reasons why does feel more Star Wars II
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but yes that that's swirling camera shot at the end it did seem a little bit out
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of place and I'll tell you having watched it twice the first time I saw
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that scene it did feel a little bit like i mean that that whole scene where she
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she's climbing up the stairs in Ireland and going to find Mark Hamill the first
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time watching it it felt a little long as I obviously should have ended the
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movie 2 minutes ago by the Hon tell you on the second watch through that is
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going to be the part of the movie that just each of the worst because it feels
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for ever on a second watch through and he do more cuts back and forth between
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Mark Hamill and her looking at each other silently as she hold out that
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lightsaber then you realize the first time you watch that movie it is way too
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long if your gonna do that scene it even has to be half as long as it already is
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it also felt a bit cheap which is an amazing cause I'm sure cost a bomb to
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make but it just felt like a felt it felt like it was shot on a video camera
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after they finish making the main film and I sent it they said some guy in the
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video camera and in a helicopter and they didn't care for the Steadicam and
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it it it's in congress and it's a bit weird at the end of these are weird
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taste in your mouth is still a great film and everything but we still
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definitely enjoyed about it that feels totally like the kind of thing that the
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next movie could take care of imaginatively cut it when she flies off
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into outer space
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the next movie it picks up it does the scene and opening shots of a planet in a
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spaceship in there and they kick off with some exciting thing if after that
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point they cut to Ray being trained by Luke Skywalker somewhere in beautiful
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Ireland is there anyone who's going to be confused is there anyone is going to
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think how did that happen it's obvious she found him and she's being trained
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now and who the hell cares about the exact moment they met you could cut that
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whole thing you don't even need to do it in the second one a dramatic start to
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the next film that the camera pans down to the two luk planner and the first
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ship we say is the Millennium Falcon arriving at the planner
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there many ways that you could do it and I just don't think you even need to show
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this meeting happening so explicitly and that's why I just it really feel they do
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some kind of hollywood political reason that this scene is there I can't imagine
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anybody actually think that's the best way to end the movie because it's so
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obvious that it should end with her going off into space it's such a natural
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ending the other thing I want to talk about it if you would care to do this I
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don't think
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Council spoilers but do you have any kind of what will happen next thoughts
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now like what what's going to happen why I mean it's impossible to know maybe
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they don't even know for sure but what you think will happen next what you'd
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like to see happen next is reagan a baby looks daughter if she hadn't layers
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daughter and the brother of the sister of car they ran did note you can do I
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will be avoiding spoilers to the next movie obviously but I'm also totally
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happy to speculate that this is speculating without knowledge is
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perfectly fine and I am vaguely operating under the assumption that the
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most likely thing is that yes she she is the daughter of Hon and later like that
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seems she's somebody's daughter right of importance there's there's not a reason
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that they wouldn't mention it
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yep and it's just there just seems like the likely case you know she's for
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sensitive so it's either luk luk at a bit of an adventure or she is a mother
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daughter and I believe in the extended universities that it is that that Luke
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and Leia have a set of twins don't think their solution I had to end had twins
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and they did they did yes and I'm pretty sure that the the Knights of ran that
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the reference they make a movie is from the extended universe but the movie
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seems to lean in that way to make you think this
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that probably the better decision is to make her Luke's child in but that's what
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the movies leaning towards I think if you're a Dumbo you'd be thinking that
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she's links daughter has been waiting for Luke to come back I think the
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hardened liar is the less obvious option which ironically that makes it more
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obvious yeah but I lorraine has that line we explicitly says to her oh you
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feel that that Han Solo is the father that you've never had
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maybe that's the reason why that line is because it's actually that she's lose
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the days like she's somebody's daughter its star wars the people going to be
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related this is a family everybody everybody everybody somebody's daughter
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have a minor guess which was put on the record now what's his name again the
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boss of kind of something the wizard of oz
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visit of US snoek I really I I really liked in his first appearance the
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holograph figure out thing where they talking to him and he's huge and then
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you realize how it's a hologram my prediction here is that in person he's
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actually quite small and that he's basically that's almost a certainty that
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has to be it has to be he's not going to be a normal sized duties going to have
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predict what's gonna be lifesavers in the next few bold prediction I'm just
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getting it on record is this is my speculation is confident gonna go
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through the obvious redemption is it gonna be done at all over again where he
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liked comes to the good writeup the end seems like could they would they have
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the audacity to do that to be so obvious I hope not I think it the story
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indicates that he won't because I think having him kill his father is quite a
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thing to do on camera
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the flip side of this the thing that slightly annoyed me is the whole pin
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leaves the battle and it's his first battle ever and he's never killed
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anybody that makes him it makes him too much like this shiny new minted penny
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that landed on the battlefield I decided I want out of this later on in the
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movies although idk I hate when I was like what what what were you doing as
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far as I can tell you a guy he went through training and then bugged out on
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the first opportunity that you didn't actually do anything
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yeah but deserted from the evil empire but I think it makes his character a
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little bit too squeaky clean but then this makes him go he is a good guy in
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this universe because he's never killed anybody was much more interesting
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character would be someone who has woken up from his programming over time and
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and lessen the genuinely did bad things so if if that is the backstory they've
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established for a good guy like we want him to be universally good and to be
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entirely unblemished my feeling is that the reverse of that that having Kyler
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and actually kill his father it makes him one redeemable at against unlikely
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that they're going to do the redemption will see in a couple of years but I'd be
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pretty shocked if they if they have a moment we're kind of friend turns around
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I think they're going to keep up with him as an actual villain I don't know I
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just don't know I think I think he will be turned around I don't think he'll be
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bad for ever I do that I do like the little twist to the force thing where
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he's like trying to push the light out like I know that's kind of what happened
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at a theater but it wasn't quite it wasn't quite framed in that way it's a
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bit like I what it's like I want to be dug in only the doctors takes over you
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and you like give up and say oh I just gave up that's what that was done they
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don't you know it's too late for me so I'm staying up got ink on my shirt
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that's it you can't you can't claim marcia whereas he's like the opposite
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he's like he wants to be dug and like he keeps having these light impulses that
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he's like sign off gotta stop these luck impulses you know I wanna be a bad guy
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got to stop this hankering to be good I thought let off on that really
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interesting twist on the force
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I like that as well I thought that was really nice this idea that there is late
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temptation I wanna help that out ran across the street but I mustn't I must
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admit I like that and also I just think it provides a tiny bit of
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there is a couple I don't quite like in the movie but what one of which is wen
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wen Han Solo explicitly says that the forces is tied together good and evil
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like the light and the dark I think you need to at least have a little bit of an
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excuse for dark side characters to imagine that they are performing the
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correct actions and if you just explicitly say like oh it's evil I think
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it is better when villains are somewhat sympathetic and I try to imagine the
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dark side as like the this is much easier to get started down path though
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in the long run is less powerful but you can get a very you can go from 0 to 90
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very fast and so I imagine that like dark side characters are ambitious and
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attracted to immediate power and then that's why he finds himself rejecting
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the light side is because he's trying to grow immediate power fast and so I do
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like this temptation of God know if I'm gonna level in my light side points to
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take forever to get really powerful elected on a crashed but the thing
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that's always been a slight problem for me with the force and Star Wars is that
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the darkside know that they're the bad guys like that so it's like they know
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they know they're bad but it's always been a bit weird to me come to come to
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the day they call themselves the dockside them as will be calling himself
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the bad guys and girls on their caps right yeah come on come on come and be a
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bad guy because it's cuz its gives you power and it's fun like like you say
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like bad surely bad guys are supposed to think they're good guys be in Star Wars
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universe the bad guys I've always kind of knowing their bad guys like the
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temporary in the original trilogy seems like he really likes being the village
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but seems to be a characteristic yeah it's like it's like a fat person saying
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come on be really really fat because you get to eat lots of yummy donut us really
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fat disgusting but at least you get to eat donors like surely the ideal person
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is someone who wants to be thin and donuts but like the day but the darkside
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alike are willing to be fat because they want a day let's say where is that there
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is in real life a person who eats lots of donors somehow convinced themselves
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they can still be thin eventually
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whereas the dark side don't do that yeah I don't know what I'm doing here with us
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for some donuts but nowhere to go with it you wouldn't think we liked the film
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so much the way we were talking about it but well you know it's always easy to
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complain about have many more things that we will come up against some point
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I was complaining to my wife for probably a good 30 minutes and testing
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her patients about how much I dislike the line where ray references the
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Millennium Falcon having completed the Kessel run in 14 parsecs there are many
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many more
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very nerdy very specific things to pick apart and I have a long list of reasons
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why don't like that line but I'm sure these things will come up again that was
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doubling down on a mistake wasn't it when they probably shouldn't have ok
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listen I have to do this again that the short version of this I K
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the reason I hated that line is because it does a case it's over for anyone to
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listening our team knows right but in the in the first movie when Han Solo
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says to Luke been that they made that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs nerds
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kind of freaked out because of our second unit of distance is not a
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measurement of time and so it seems like it's the wrong thing for the base and
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yes super nerds don't send me the links about how the parcel about how the
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Kessel run as measured I know all of this
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yeah you can I get my interpretation of that scene which I'm convinced every
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time I watch it is intentional is that Han Solo is hitting been and Luke on
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purpose he is saying something intentionally wrong to see if they pick
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up on it like how much do these guys know about space travel how much did
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they know about ships and their speeds what you mean he got the the essay used
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a wrong SI unit test than just bragging about something he didn't really
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accomplish it is a testing their scientific knowledge or testing their
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knowledge of his fame inability what he is testing is their knowledge of fast
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and the reason he's doing that is because he's trying to sense how much of
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a sucker they are you can rip them off exactly right how much how much do they
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know about what's going on how much can you rip them off and if you watch that
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scene really closely he gives that line and then they they flashed to Ben Kenobi
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in Luke and belt tobyGames this weird little smile almost like he knows what
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he's doing
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I don't think I'm reading too much into the scene by just very very shortly
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after that then and you get up and leave and that is such a great little moment
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in Star Wars went on then choose the jewish playboy these guys are really
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desperate and as I can't wait to extract all the money from from these desperate
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soccer's we've come along can I say I don't read it that way
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cannot tell you how I read that saying well first of all let me acknowledge him
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to stop that quite often when you talk about films you watched as a child you
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are blinded to some of the added nuance and even an even when you grow up you
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somehow don't have the ability to say that no one said you might say exactly
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but that's set that said as my little but cover the way I read this is hands
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on his behalf a legend in his own lunch time and he thinks he's he thinks he is
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the great I am and it's kind of like he's one claim to fame is one thing that
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he thinks he's famous for his is this Kessel run like and these guys haven't
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heard of it and it's a bit like a slight may walk into a room and i got high and
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Brady her and I am Number 5 videos and no one has heard of numberphile
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said the one the one the one thing let you know my claim to fame and like no no
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and no and I think that's what's happening to him it's like he's he's
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there you know I put the Millennium Falcon and there was that is going well
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and made the case you haven't heard of the mother ship it made the Kessel whose
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time it's like famous man and it's kind of like so he's kind of this light
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legend in his own mind and he's like being brought down to earth in real life
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and it's like ok I don't think he's testing them I think he's bragging to
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them and then he's bred folds flat because these guys are kind of just
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being so they see things there
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that's a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the scene I think I
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wouldn't argue against that because this there's only subtext in that seems so
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you can interpret either way and so I just have my own pet interpretation of
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that but it is just destroyed when Ray sends out the Catherine 14 parsecs 12
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because it legitimizes I know this was a thing this is a race like guess the dumb
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extended universe backwards compatibility reason for why it's
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measured in parsecs is now Canada I really hate that line it completely
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vindicates my interpretation because what's happening now is he finally made
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someone who has heard of his great claim to fame and then they get it wrong
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because they used the wrong number this does go exactly into making your
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interpretation Canon interpretation moment but also I also don't like that
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line because I just why does she know this that seems a bizarrely specific
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thing for this character to know I think there's a purpose to I don't like that
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line either by the way that's a great with me as well just cause it feels just
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jazz but I think one of the little to fan service as well but what I think
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when I think it was trying to do in service of the plug is to show that
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she's a complete spaceship cake like she's into it she knows everything she
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knows the Millennium Falcon she knows like she's a real she's a real space
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ship engineering and mechanical know and like us only a mechanical engineering
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spaceship node would have heard of the Millennium Falcon and know about the
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Kessel run so I think they're trying to further establish a potential someone
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who really know spaceships and we see that later on you know she fixes the
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Millennium Falcon on the Hoffman so I think they're trying to establish there
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is a real geek in the area
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she's the one who has heard of the Kessel run in the Millennium Falcon
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unlike lukin been yeah I i understand the mechanics of what is doing in the
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movie and I totally agree and it also acts as a as a first little bonding
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moment between her and Han Solo
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antagonistic it's a bit of our ok well these you know about this thing but it's
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just great to me and it just feels like a weird thing for her to know because
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the time light when did when did this Kessel run occur at how many years ago
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was this how many years with this before she was
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autonomy maybe this is because I'm not a lot of sports nerd but it it seems it
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seems like the equivalent of someone knowing obscure baseball's statistics
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that happened twenty years before they were born when their nineteen it seems
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like a lot I can get that I like that I think the problem the reason it just me
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is the timing of it like she's like on a broken-down ship hovering in space it so
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it seems to be her first time in space perhaps a second ago she was figuring
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out how she's gonna she's gonna live there's a lot of stuff going on it seems
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like she's just met someone who just doesn't seem like a conversation should
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be having at that time it seems like something you discuss maybe later over a
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cup of coffee
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it's it's it's a line that debt just it just bothers me it feels like a bit of
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fanservice I understand the mechanics that's what it's doing in the plot but I
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think there are better ways to do that where she could recognize something
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about whatever they say something later on the cargo class kind of thing that
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this ship is you can have her recognize things about the ship on solo talks to
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her about you don't have to have these particular line especially when it's
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such an infamous line in in the Star Wars universe it's poking the bear isn't
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it yeah it's a bit too much this is free to use Star Wars fans but I know I don't
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I don't need you to remind me just like I don't need the chest able to turn on
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when Vince its attitude I recognize that chess table immediately there's nobody
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who sees the chess pieces come on who then puts the put it together in their
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everybody who's going to recognize the chess pieces recognizes the table that
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that would have been classier didn't switch yeah it would be a thousand times
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classier to the switch on that I think those those two things right in a row
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where bill I don't need you don't need to do this I recognized the table it's
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better if the table doesn't turn on that just goes further to that little part of
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the film when I get off the desert plateau but before they leave being the
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worst part the film from the basically the moment that ship breaks down in all
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but Dzeko
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until they finally blast out of the fixed costs and that whole sequence is
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the path that is that is that is low part of the film I will agree with that
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i mean even at least a tiny bit of of class II fanservice but it still at the
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scene is unnecessary is when Finn is looking for the bandages for chili in
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that scene he pulls out the training ball at Luke uses and he holds it right
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in front the camera looks at it and throws it to the size I don't need to do
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that you can just you can have it on set in the background and trust me I will
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notice or having floated away but don't linger don't have a look at the people
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who go through it by my frame also my love you but don't hold up in front of
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my face it it's it's a bit like I notice every single one of the droids on those
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first order ships that were the droids from the original movies I recognize
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that little floor droid right away I see the trashcan guy with the two feet in
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the background like I recognize all of them you don't need to linger on them
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and this is the kind of thing which is nice for super fans but yeah holding the
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thing up in front of cameras a bit too much
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switching on the chest that is a bit too much that's probably the last of the
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last of our are picking us about the movie for today anyone today just
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considered as sort of an introductory taster of will really get his find a
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tower at a later date of its just this is our first impressions
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we're going to go back and watch a few more times now to pick up some of the
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minutiae yeah we'll really get into it then almost certainly I'm going to see
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it again with my wife
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relatively soon though I like it
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complaining if there's anybody who's on the edge and like spoilers and listen to
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the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie
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