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H.I. #54: Star Wars Christmas Special

 

00:00:00   you know how I love a little bit of fate and coincidence and stuff I had my head [TS]

00:00:03   I had been a crazy idea today so I just wanna put it in there cause I know you [TS]

00:00:08   like new and unpredictable things that I love alone suffered a schedule I did [TS]

00:00:14   something I do maybe once every few months and that is I bought like a [TS]

00:00:18   scratch ticket oh yeah I usually do as a little surprise present from iowa [TS]

00:00:22   because she's not particularly in to scratch tickets but she finds it funny [TS]

00:00:26   that Australians called them scratch ease so ever since then I sometimes [TS]

00:00:29   think that's funny because it is funny [TS]

00:00:33   Australians and your lil names for everything we love putting the liaison [TS]

00:00:36   the end of things so sometimes I come home and bring her a scratchy so anyway [TS]

00:00:40   I brought a scratchy for myself and I thought I would do the scratchy luck on [TS]

00:00:45   the podcast because I could win 1,000,000 pounds and I thought if I 11 [TS]

00:00:51   million pounds while we will live recording that would be an amazing piece [TS]

00:00:56   of podcast would be pretty go it would be astounding do you think if I win [TS]

00:01:01   1,000,000 pounds that would change the topic of today's podcast and we will [TS]

00:01:05   just talk about how I'm gonna spend this million pants now because honestly I [TS]

00:01:08   would much rather talk about our intended topic then you're million [TS]

00:01:11   pounds if you like I'm really happy for you but let's get on with the show [TS]

00:01:14   really did do you think I could do the show if I just want two million barrels [TS]

00:01:18   I mean your professional podcaster you should be able to soldier on without one [TS]

00:01:23   which he just ran into the street screaming no but I think I think it [TS]

00:01:34   would be unprofessional to win 1,000,000 pounds live on a podcast and then not [TS]

00:01:40   talk about it just crack on with other by now subjects there's always follow up [TS]

00:01:44   Brady right we can talk about it and follow up on the next episode [TS]

00:01:47   you've got to adapt to circumstances and you could go with fake takes you you've [TS]

00:01:50   got to be as adaptable as a Swiss Army knife as we previously discussed you [TS]

00:01:55   can't just have your notes and think like like if I was looking out the [TS]

00:01:59   window right now and a comment came and smashed into the say do you think I'd be [TS]

00:02:03   thinking would I be thinking that that does his topic for next week I must put [TS]

00:02:07   the show notes or do you think it's a great not gonna believe what just [TS]

00:02:10   happened of course if you wildly change this [TS]

00:02:12   scenario then yes I'm going to agree with you had we're going to talk about a [TS]

00:02:16   comment smashing into the earth I'm not having that I'm not wildly changing the [TS]

00:02:22   subject changing the area I like I admit crashing to the earth is pretty [TS]

00:02:29   significant and more significant than we may winning a million pounds but may 20 [TS]

00:02:33   million pounds is still like a big deal it's like more interesting than talking [TS]

00:02:38   about Star Wars it is not it is not more interesting great if you if you want to [TS]

00:02:42   if you wanna million per someone walked into your office right now and gave you [TS]

00:02:45   a suitcase with a million pounds I would say let's talk about that Star Wars can [TS]

00:02:50   wait that is quite an unusual scenario why did someone give me a suitcase full [TS]

00:02:53   of a million pounds now the suitcases a thing to worry about like sitting here [TS]

00:02:57   at my feet as I'm trying to record the scenario let me make this really easy [TS]

00:03:02   for you if you had a scratchy cat in front of you and you scratch that off [TS]

00:03:07   and you won a million pounds I think that's more interesting than talking [TS]

00:03:12   about stuff goes ok you know what I can prove to you it isn't because he is that [TS]

00:03:17   we can do if you really want that can be my scratchy ticket and you can scratch [TS]

00:03:21   it off and if I win a million pounds then we keep going on with the show and [TS]

00:03:24   I'm right and it's great that we're going to see if I can prove to you I can [TS]

00:03:33   prove to you how correct I am on this one I would rather be Rome and having [TS]

00:03:37   them are you are you ready to scratch off here is scheduled to take it well [TS]

00:03:44   I'm gonna give you a fun of choices in the scenario because my wife believes [TS]

00:03:48   that it's lucky to use a golden coin to do it with a coin of high value but just [TS]

00:03:53   for you I also have a penny I'm gonna let you decide if you want me to use a [TS]

00:03:56   lucky golden coin or a penny to scratchy scratchy scratchy I mean which one is [TS]

00:04:02   more satisfying to hold because obviously they're not going to change [TS]

00:04:04   the numbers in the ticket I've actually was slightly disagreed with my wife on [TS]

00:04:08   this because I think the gold pound coin is a little bit sick for doing the [TS]

00:04:12   scratchy oh yeah pound coins no good that's no good to hold it all you need [TS]

00:04:15   like a tu pense going that's that's good it's nice and then it's probably the [TS]

00:04:19   only thing that it depends going is good at it is big enough to hold [TS]

00:04:22   up to scratch when now you've said that I gotta go and get two pence cause now I [TS]

00:04:26   feel like it's bad luck if i dont use it to a pens game it doesn't there is no [TS]

00:04:30   there is no luck in this scenario I'm gonna get to Penn Schoen hang on [TS]

00:04:33   ok I made in this news release getting it depends if he has it right hand is [TS]

00:04:40   going to be sitting back down in like two seconds I'm back on his way back to [TS]

00:04:44   you know I keep my cup of coins in a in a old ww2 like mortar shell then huge [TS]

00:04:52   big goldwater show is it within arms reach is essentially a pretty matches so [TS]

00:04:58   figured it's on those bookshelves next to my desk right right of course sounds [TS]

00:05:04   good just the way they mentally to pants ok see if you can guess what you might [TS]

00:05:11   open scoring is from 1990 1995 nowhere near it [TS]

00:05:21   we have what like fifty years of two pence coins I think that's pretty close [TS]

00:05:24   five years five years how long how long of two pence coins currently in [TS]

00:05:31   circulation been made [TS]

00:05:33   let me let me say something again grow so you can do it all my goodness great [TS]

00:05:37   that's amazing you are within five years they didn't exactly because it would be [TS]

00:05:46   ridiculous because being five years is nowhere near I think it depends entirely [TS]

00:05:50   on how many years worth of fifty pence coins are in circulation and I bet [TS]

00:05:53   there's like 50 years worth of fifty pence going circulations 108 maybe not [TS]

00:05:57   cuz theres desolation in the nineteen seventies in the UK and other currency [TS]

00:06:01   in the nineteen seventies I think they did 66 I believe was the ok so still [TS]

00:06:07   like shifted basically fifty years ago I don't know that was 66 assists in my [TS]

00:06:10   head cuz that's also the year they won the World Cup I could be wrong about [TS]

00:06:13   that but anyway there's many many years I'm within 5 I'm impressed by this [TS]

00:06:18   random coincidence are you impressed by telling him you like that that's what I [TS]

00:06:23   tell you what you will be impressed by my million pound win that's about to [TS]

00:06:27   happen mary millions I put a picture of the card and shown out so people can [TS]

00:06:31   have [TS]

00:06:31   look what's the maximum on that scratch the maximum million parents who is not [TS]

00:06:38   really Mary millions it's Mary hey million or 44 for people to marry [TS]

00:06:43   million therefore it's a Merry millions visit Mary's million there's million [TS]

00:06:47   pounds the next prices 25 2010 51 than 200 100 as the little ones if I win [TS]

00:06:54   25,000 I don't really know what we're gonna do I think I mean that's there's a [TS]

00:06:58   lot of money but where is that boundary of when it becomes uninteresting [TS]

00:07:05   we've got a great because that's the whole thing with like scratch cards and [TS]

00:07:10   lotteries as before you inevitably lose it so the dreaming of what will happen [TS]

00:07:15   if you win so I'm trying to make course that is what this thing is so I'm not [TS]

00:07:19   even dreaming of what I would do with the million I'm dreaming of what will [TS]

00:07:23   podcast about if I read the million [TS]

00:07:25   got like it's like levels of abstraction going on here we know we're going to [TS]

00:07:32   talk about we're gonna podcast about Star Wars now here we go there are four [TS]

00:07:36   gingerbread man in a little cluster and apparently if I if when I scratch away [TS]

00:07:43   these gingerbread man if I find a little Santa Claus face i win a prize I'm sure [TS]

00:07:49   to listeners are holding their breath man had a ball pool side win the second [TS]

00:07:55   on a globe know when a sweet know when Holly know where and when nothing how [TS]

00:08:10   unlikely it looks like today's podcast is going to be about the new Star Wars [TS]

00:08:14   film The Force awakens [TS]

00:08:18   what's the most important thing before we say anything about the force awakens [TS]

00:08:26   the new Star Wars movie instead of us is what is a spoiler situation here because [TS]

00:08:31   oil is a very important when it comes to this there can't not be spoilers this [TS]

00:08:37   episode is going to have many spoilers starting essentially immediately so so [TS]

00:08:43   if you don't want spoilers stop now we are recording this is at its two days [TS]

00:08:50   after it came out in the UK I think that's about right and i know many [TS]

00:08:54   people who have taken the last couple days to basically hide from the internet [TS]

00:09:00   because they are terrified of receiving spoilers so I know a lot of people like [TS]

00:09:04   I can't go on reddit I can go on Twitter because if I go on I know I'm going to [TS]

00:09:08   see spoiler and so many many people are are hiding but as always cast people [TS]

00:09:13   could be listening in the far far future great I have a story yes a blatant [TS]

00:09:17   exactly to that obviously will come to us so we can estaba spoilers obviously a [TS]

00:09:24   very major character dies in this film and I was spoiled [TS]

00:09:32   yeah I was it doesn't really bother me but I and it was just you know what it [TS]

00:09:38   does bother me it was the method in which it was done okay so tell me how [TS]

00:09:43   did this tragedy happened I was in the comments section of one of my videos [TS]

00:09:48   just like I do for work and it was one of those people who just who just wants [TS]

00:09:54   to be a bad person and just wrote so-and-so dies and is killed by someone [TS]

00:09:58   so no one really basically the whole purpose was for people to stumble over [TS]

00:10:03   and incidentally and can I say [TS]

00:10:06   and I've been thinking about this and I don't want to sound too extreme but I [TS]

00:10:10   think people who do that I don't judge them cause I don't know what's going on [TS]

00:10:14   in their lives they could have had a difficult childhood [TS]

00:10:17   of stuff going on and I've lived long enough to know when people do bad things [TS]

00:10:21   sometimes there are other things going on so I don't want to I don't judge the [TS]

00:10:25   person [TS]

00:10:27   but can I say that Act the act of spoiling say I feel more a TV show in [TS]

00:10:34   that I don't know if there's a word for doing that i'm gonna call / spoiling [TS]

00:10:38   it's like a drive-by spoiling what is called a flash point is I think it's a [TS]

00:10:44   little bit catch you but I think the act of doing that is one of the most pure [TS]

00:10:52   despicable things you can possibly do because there's nothing but evil about [TS]

00:11:00   it [TS]

00:11:00   life is nothing but taking pleasure from evil there are many worse things that [TS]

00:11:04   people can go right for example crimes and terrorism they are worse things [TS]

00:11:10   right to inspect some how many of them can be justified but you can say well [TS]

00:11:16   okay this person may be heard they had walked believe so they thought they were [TS]

00:11:19   doing the right thing or they were motivated by a need and then they did a [TS]

00:11:24   really bad thing but people who are doing these flash spoils me it's just [TS]

00:11:28   that there's none of that going on there's no there's no constructs you can [TS]

00:11:31   make where there's like a justification other than them taking pleasure from [TS]

00:11:36   ruining something for other people and I think that's a really despicable acting [TS]

00:11:40   you can sit there and laugh and think i've i've ruin the film for X number of [TS]

00:11:44   people and then you have but can I just say that's a despicable thing you've [TS]

00:11:49   done and like that's as low as you can get a good time for you I know it makes [TS]

00:11:55   you happy that that and that just makes me feel a bit sad for you I can imagine [TS]

00:12:00   that sort of person takes a lot of pleasure [TS]

00:12:03   there's something about this which is like East symmetric warfare in that I [TS]

00:12:08   imagine the person who does the spoiling gets maybe five seconds worth a very [TS]

00:12:14   minor enjoyment for some people but the damage done is enormous [TS]

00:12:21   you you ruin the movie for a large group of people like you take away such a huge [TS]

00:12:28   amount of joy for what is a very probable very small increase of pleasure [TS]

00:12:34   to yourself so that's one of things it's even worse about it like the asymmetry [TS]

00:12:38   of it well I mean that's the case from [TS]

00:12:40   crimes and things isn't what you say is true great I just think I guess that's [TS]

00:12:45   just sad that had a sad crap life and they may be they feel that the world's [TS]

00:12:48   been bad to them so they want to do something bad to the world I'm thinking [TS]

00:12:51   of the damage done in terms of human hours of enjoyment you know when someone [TS]

00:12:56   sees a spoiler like that on one of your videos like it's possible you know many [TS]

00:12:59   hundreds maybe thousands of people see that lets multiply a thousand human [TS]

00:13:03   hours of spoiled moving us against the persons leading seconds of enjoyment [TS]

00:13:08   that is the tremendous asymmetry of it that mean then let people who kick [TS]

00:13:11   puppies on that as far as bad things go that are not illegal it's it's up there [TS]

00:13:17   but by the way I am only talking about these flash boils like I mean people may [TS]

00:13:22   people may be pointing out that in our recent vote-counting video the face of [TS]

00:13:28   growing appeared a few times I point out why this is different when it was [TS]

00:13:32   accidental [TS]

00:13:33   it was you editing the video was made that video is very long and as you know [TS]

00:13:40   I didn't go through a frame-by-frame and it had to be done a bit of a hurry if [TS]

00:13:45   you're watching that video you probably know you're in a frisky zone but if [TS]

00:13:49   you're like somewhere unrelated and someone does that does that flash Boyle [TS]

00:13:52   I think that's a bit worse I didn't quite realize that there actually are a [TS]

00:13:56   tremendous number of comments on our flag video about spoilers for my face [TS]

00:14:01   but I didn't see very much of that because as soon as we put the video up I [TS]

00:14:07   was precisely afraid of the thing that happened to you happening to me of [TS]

00:14:10   someone leaving just a random comment on that video to be a jerk about Star Wars [TS]

00:14:14   spoilers so this is how we looking at so little in the last couple days leading [TS]

00:14:18   up to this movie and then after I saw for the first time I went back to look [TS]

00:14:22   at that video Russell 2000 boy lots of comments about these would be great face [TS]

00:14:27   boilers again need to add an annotation or something to to warn people about it [TS]

00:14:32   because of how many comments there have been anyway enough about that it didn't [TS]

00:14:36   I don't think it affected my enjoyment of the film I didn't you know I didn't [TS]

00:14:41   take enough from a to know exactly what and when and how and who said there was [TS]

00:14:44   still some doubts but it did you know that was less of a surprise as a result [TS]

00:14:49   but anyway let's talk about this film [TS]

00:14:52   let's talk about Star Wars now actually the force awakens directed by Jim Abrams [TS]

00:14:58   now you've already seen it twice the way this work is that I saw it on the 17th [TS]

00:15:04   as a date with my wife had originally reserve some tickets ahead of time and [TS]

00:15:10   we were going to go out and see it because because we are professional [TS]

00:15:16   movie reviewers in some way I like this notion that everything we discuss on the [TS]

00:15:21   podcast we can somehow be professional in in any way and we get we get money [TS]

00:15:25   for the podcasting network professional X we're professional movers now I mean [TS]

00:15:29   after that scratchy thing on a professional gambler I believe you are [TS]

00:15:32   you a Wikipedia pages are going to get very long very long my plan was unlike [TS]

00:15:40   say some of the other movies that we have intentionally watched for the [TS]

00:15:44   podcast like The Hobbit movies where my expectations were low going in when I go [TS]

00:15:49   into the Hobbit movie I have my phone now ready to take notes right away [TS]

00:15:53   because I feel like a movie there's no way you're going to convince me to put [TS]

00:15:57   down this phone because you're interesting so I might as well start [TS]

00:15:59   taking notes now but I felt that that would have been deeply unfair to do to [TS]

00:16:03   the Star Wars movie and it was also just not something I wanted to do and also [TS]

00:16:07   just not something I would want to do when I'm going to see a movie with [TS]

00:16:10   somebody else so I booked two tickets one which was just to see it with my [TS]

00:16:15   wife and just to watch it and then the second one which just happened today [TS]

00:16:19   which is the day after I booked it with the intention of going into the movie [TS]

00:16:24   theater and having my phone and taking notes by the way people don't worry I [TS]

00:16:27   booked in the back so that nobody was getting distracted by my phone so then [TS]

00:16:31   the second thing is that ok now I am medal watching this like I'm watching me [TS]

00:16:36   watching this and i'm taking notes on it and and writing some stuff down so [TS]

00:16:39   that's that's my experience of it OK and you have watched it once I've watched it [TS]

00:16:44   once yes I watched the day after you basically my wife wants to see it and [TS]

00:16:50   she's booked tickets for us to see it on Sunday which happens to be the day after [TS]

00:16:54   uni recording now [TS]

00:16:56   because we're recording the podcast want to talk about and also I wanted to avoid [TS]

00:17:00   spoilers I went to see a day earlier than two days earlier than planned but [TS]

00:17:05   also funnily enough we've now learned this sound of music alive event is on TV [TS]

00:17:11   on the Sunday night my wife really wants to watch so we've actually booked [TS]

00:17:15   tickets for Monday night now and we're not gonna use a Sunday Ticket so there [TS]

00:17:19   will be two empty seats in the cinema for one of the screenings so I would [TS]

00:17:23   have bought three tickets in the course of four days but only gone to two of [TS]

00:17:27   them as we talk now I've only seen it once I didn't take notes during ice [TS]

00:17:33   cream with some notes the day after my memories of it alright well I know Brady [TS]

00:17:38   you have no patience for talking about it without saying in advance what you [TS]

00:17:42   actually thought of the movie so do you want to give your overall feeling he [TS]

00:17:46   reaction to Star Wars do you disagree with me because I know this is a point [TS]

00:17:50   of difference between us you like sort of constructing this complicated web [TS]

00:17:53   where no one knows exactly what you're thinking with a movie review it's more [TS]

00:17:58   important for people to know what you think overall I know where you're coming [TS]

00:18:01   from and then and then you say good or bad about it has a context i think [TS]

00:18:07   talking about it is the review [TS]

00:18:09   yeah and that's what we'll do but it is it is all colored by whether or not you [TS]

00:18:13   liked the film like it colors I think it's important to do and that's why I [TS]

00:18:18   will I will concede I will concede your point ik I will concede your point [TS]

00:18:23   ok well my overall feeling about it that will that can be taken with everything I [TS]

00:18:28   say subsequently is I thought it was a really really good it was excellent [TS]

00:18:34   two thumbs up superb job wow high rankings probably the biggest star Wars [TS]

00:18:41   fan that I know in real life I know anybody in real life be like Star Wars [TS]

00:18:44   more than you not flawless and I have a have a whole page of of criticisms I [TS]

00:18:51   think when he was announced as directed my expectations were too high then they [TS]

00:18:55   went down and after a few of the trailers I began to lose faith and get [TS]

00:19:00   to wonder some expectations went down a bit so it exceeded my expectations but [TS]

00:19:06   my expectations weren't ridiculously high but they also were at rock bottom [TS]

00:19:09   but I think the film's very good for two four and a half stars out of 5 I'd say [TS]

00:19:17   what about you what's your overall thoughts before we get get down to the [TS]

00:19:20   nitty gritty yes I had only watched that first trailer that you made me watch for [TS]

00:19:27   the record I wouldn't have watched otherwise like you I was happy VD [TS]

00:19:32   hearings was selected as the director and I was intentionally keeping my [TS]

00:19:35   expectations low and my mind mental bar here was if we can get something as good [TS]

00:19:44   as the new Star Trek movies that James did that's a win those Star Trek movies [TS]

00:19:50   same thing like they're they're like a fun adventure ride but I've never felt [TS]

00:19:55   really compelled to watch them again but I would still feel like that would be [TS]

00:19:59   that would be a win that's really what I'm hoping for that was kind of the [TS]

00:20:02   mental bar in my life is is ok maybe it's going to be like Star Wars as seen [TS]

00:20:09   through modern action movie genres but I'll be fine with that if it's if it's [TS]

00:20:14   like Star Trek but I watched it and I would say that it passed that far [TS]

00:20:21   it was a better movie than the Star Trek movie was I really liked it's like to [TS]

00:20:28   have a quite a long list of things that I didn't like but overall it was it felt [TS]

00:20:36   to me like this huge relief of like oh wow it's a it's a Star Wars movie that I [TS]

00:20:42   can enjoy again [TS]

00:20:43   I watched it and it was a fun adventure and I liked it and it was it was good in [TS]

00:20:49   all the ways that I wanted it to end the thing that I really kept feeling [TS]

00:20:53   throughout it was like that Star Trek movie doesn't really you like star track [TS]

00:20:59   but watching this Star Wars movie it felt like the line at Honolulu given the [TS]

00:21:05   movies like we're home again like this feels like Star Wars it's hard to pin [TS]

00:21:11   down what that is exactly what it feels like it's in the same family as those [TS]

00:21:18   original three-month high grade I think I [TS]

00:21:22   reasons for that I agree with you and that arrow sites like it's made star was [TS]

00:21:27   a case against like after those three abominations it was a bit like people [TS]

00:21:31   that you like Star Wars really but those rooms are rubbish it's a bit like year [TS]

00:21:34   but say now is OK [TS]

00:21:36   healing moment that that's that's really what it feels like it's just it feels [TS]

00:21:43   like oh there's there's been this great healing energy Abrams has laid his hands [TS]

00:21:48   upon the series and it's all okay now maybe it's a bit like a sporting team [TS]

00:21:52   that won a bunch of super bowls like in the eighties and then they became really [TS]

00:21:56   rubbish team never gives you a hard time for liking that time this year that had [TS]

00:22:00   a really good season and made the playoffs on paper it's all right there [TS]

00:22:03   after oh yeah it was it was it was great and I hope does need gives judge abrams [TS]

00:22:13   all the creatively way that he once for whatever he's going to do with with the [TS]

00:22:18   next movies kobe's he is physically safe for the near future someone get that guy [TS]

00:22:23   the bodyguard 24 7 because I want to make sure I G Abrams is a okay to keep [TS]

00:22:28   this to keep this train rolling a piece of paper here that says the light side [TS]

00:22:32   and a piece of paper that says the dark side of the things I like to do things I [TS]

00:22:36   didn't like my tax ID one problem is a bit longer how we gonna do this do what [TS]

00:22:40   are we going good some bad so we goin chronological age you know how do you [TS]

00:22:44   want to talk about the film let's just start kind of rolling through what [TS]

00:22:47   happens in the movie and then and and take it from there I think if we go [TS]

00:22:51   funny we don't have to stick to call logical or anything but let's just kind [TS]

00:22:54   of like start the [TS]

00:22:54   a very good place to stop my very first note on this was text scroll know it [TS]

00:23:01   taxes exclamation mark right away it felt great to see a text scroll in the [TS]

00:23:06   opening part of the movie that was people focus they get with clear of here [TS]

00:23:11   is the set up Luke is missing [TS]

00:23:14   Princess Leia general area now has sent off this guy to go look for something [TS]

00:23:18   that's important it was just it was a very good start [TS]

00:23:22   ok great there's a text girl that I understand the talking about people it's [TS]

00:23:27   not talking about trade embargoes and federations and all the rest of this [TS]

00:23:30   right away very happy very good sign I just love it and of course I don't think [TS]

00:23:36   you can sit in a movie theater and not have that initial Star Wars sound come [TS]

00:23:41   on and blasted with that logo and not feel a moment of just tremendous [TS]

00:23:44   excitement like no matter how low my expectations were going into that peter [TS]

00:23:49   hasn't tried to like turned down my expectations intentionally as soon as [TS]

00:23:53   that Big Star Wars sound comes on you just oh boy here we go I hope it's [TS]

00:23:57   amazing to say that the scroll wasn't bad ok so far as to say it was good [TS]

00:24:03   stuff I think that the first words Luke Skywalker has vanished that's really [TS]

00:24:07   compelling like that's like that's a really good first few words like the [TS]

00:24:12   first thing everyone wonders going to see that film is what's gonna happen to [TS]

00:24:15   Luke Skywalker like where i doing now comes the big hero what's and to start [TS]

00:24:20   with that straight away it's like okay let's the hotel doesn't he know the easy [TS]

00:24:25   way to really get it was really good start sending around and they do a [TS]

00:24:30   little bit of misdirection because they mentioned about Princess Leia sending [TS]

00:24:34   her daring pilot off to go find whatever did find the missing map [TS]

00:24:38   yeah and and of course in your mind you're thinking of that must be Han Solo [TS]

00:24:41   right now of course not this is the new movie there's a new cast is going to be [TS]

00:24:44   somebody else he was the daring pilot was written obviously intentionally to [TS]

00:24:49   make you think conselho and then like nope this is a new this is a new set of [TS]

00:24:53   movies I thought that was a nice looking to do as well yeah and then the open and [TS]

00:24:57   then from the scroll obviously the camera pans down in the great Star Wars [TS]

00:25:01   tradition to see what a big amazing money shots gonna be a [TS]

00:25:04   is it gonna be a rolling ship or what's it gonna be scrolling down to a planet I [TS]

00:25:10   think he did he did well it is different but in keeping with the great star was [TS]

00:25:14   tradition like right away I thought that was a really good sign of he's doing the [TS]

00:25:18   traditional move we have pan to a planet but he's doing it as the silhouette of [TS]

00:25:22   the ship so you don't actually see the ship that is is this first one here you [TS]

00:25:26   just see that there's some silhouette crossing the planet down go these little [TS]

00:25:30   pods with storm troopers in them and it's like it's ok great this feels like [TS]

00:25:35   we're doing the right things here going through all the motions but also it's [TS]

00:25:38   it's different and its new so I thought I thought that was that was really good [TS]

00:25:42   it's doing everything you need to its conveying so much information with so [TS]

00:25:47   little effort like okay because the planet like a clips because the plan is [TS]

00:25:52   eclipsed by the ship its ok this is menaced this is this is big and menacing [TS]

00:25:57   and straight oh and all of these things are being given to you straight away no [TS]

00:26:02   confusion now no clutter just but everything is got meaning it's not only [TS]

00:26:09   beautiful and clever it's it's giving information all the time which is so [TS]

00:26:13   important at the start of the film is an especially these are films even if you [TS]

00:26:17   imagine someone walking into this movie theater and they've never seen Star Wars [TS]

00:26:20   before and they're reading this text may have no idea who any of these people are [TS]

00:26:24   you still know that the ship is bad news so clearly this is bad news right these [TS]

00:26:30   are not people that you want coming to this planet just visually like they [TS]

00:26:34   don't have to tell you anything about it there are a lot of little moments like [TS]

00:26:39   this in the movie where I just found myself thinking like how competent you [TS]

00:26:44   are using visual language to convey something like this this is just [TS]

00:26:49   absolutely this is absolutely a pleasure to watch when when someone is doing [TS]

00:26:54   doing this kind of thing yeah so I think the first the first major departure in [TS]

00:26:59   the movie is the scene when the storm troopers land they are thinking of his [TS]

00:27:06   as new tattoo him truly Jaku i think is the name for it [TS]

00:27:09   yeah but it's another desert planet yeah it's another does deter planet it's it's [TS]

00:27:14   you know it's new Tatooine [TS]

00:27:16   and they're they're landing in there doing a raid and there's a storm trooper [TS]

00:27:19   who is freaking out because he's this is his his first fight as you find out [TS]

00:27:25   later he seeing you seeing all the death occurring around him and he's like a [TS]

00:27:29   PTSD stormtrooper in this moment he sees presumably one of his friends dies this [TS]

00:27:34   again was just a great thing like let's do something a little bit different and [TS]

00:27:39   the and the old Star Wars movies had these couple little moments where where [TS]

00:27:44   storm troopers where human eyes like chatting on the side of of them will be [TS]

00:27:48   seen or whatever but here we are going to focus on a stormtrooper like one guy [TS]

00:27:54   who is a real person who is going to be an actual character and I mean because I [TS]

00:28:01   had seen the trailer that really made me want to presume that that was going to [TS]

00:28:05   be the case that I guess storm trooper was was one of the main characters by I [TS]

00:28:08   thought it was a good move I got an interesting it's an interesting and [TS]

00:28:12   different place to focus in in the movie and we have this sort of this little [TS]

00:28:17   battle and skirmish kick off on the on the desert planet the same and where [TS]

00:28:22   someone files a blast heard a big bad and he froze the blast about in the in [TS]

00:28:28   the in mid-air I mean if you'd told me beforehand that was going to happen out [TS]

00:28:33   of it or not too sure about that but I was also and it was such a cool new use [TS]

00:28:38   of the focus was such a cool new effect to see a lazy about frozen in mid-air [TS]

00:28:44   but still sort of sizzling on the spot other that was that was so cold that [TS]

00:28:48   blaster bolts was designed in the same way that Iran's lightsabers done where [TS]

00:28:56   it in its like angry right it has sparks coming off the edge of it feels alive [TS]

00:29:01   because this is this is the this is the plus side of making a movie many years [TS]

00:29:06   later that we have better graphics technology we can make things look [TS]

00:29:10   better than just lines on the screen so yes when when that blaster boulders [TS]

00:29:15   fired and it stopped in mid air in it you couldn't have done that effect [TS]

00:29:20   before because it would just be like others are glowing line in the center of [TS]

00:29:23   the screen but with this it feels like that blaster bolt is just [TS]

00:29:28   tradução dying to move forward like it's giving off sparks and its kinda [TS]

00:29:31   moving around a little bit but but it's just casually held there by the dark [TS]

00:29:35   side of the force and yes it is just so cool like that is exactly the kind of [TS]

00:29:40   thing I can imagine if I was there I was a little kid seeing this like you [TS]

00:29:43   imagine yourself like stopping blaster bolts with your hands when you're [TS]

00:29:47   playing with other kids like that's just a great great thing to do in in the [TS]

00:29:51   opening scene to establish I guess this guy can do amazing things right away and [TS]

00:29:57   also very early on we have a bit of a market for the film as well as when when [TS]

00:30:02   this this pilot here a guy whose name of already forgotten is sort of brought [TS]

00:30:07   before con la Renta get a telling off and and that is really jokey he's funny [TS]

00:30:14   like an early modern and modern jerky way who's gonna talk first you can talk [TS]

00:30:18   the talk first like it was very like okay they gonna they're gonna be sexy [TS]

00:30:24   but it was a real martin sass wasn't it was an old-fashioned humor it was like [TS]

00:30:29   very modern speak and it was it was actually quite disorienting for a second [TS]

00:30:34   that moment right there when the pilot says even talk first my get talks first [TS]

00:30:39   and then I'll iran says something and then he does another joke which is that [TS]

00:30:42   he says it's it's very hard to understand you with all the apparatus [TS]

00:30:47   he's making fun of the of the mask this guys wearing that was one moment where I [TS]

00:30:52   was thinking like oh I was a little worried at that point because it is that [TS]

00:30:57   to me just doesn't feel Star Wars because it is very modern I'm not saying [TS]

00:31:02   it's bad but it was a moment where everything was going great on this train [TS]

00:31:06   and in my mind anyway like we hit a tiny bump and now I'm suddenly cautious again [TS]

00:31:10   writes like shields up a little bit worried just again just because I want [TS]

00:31:14   your watching the movie you just wanted to go so well in the experiences in the [TS]

00:31:18   past have been so bad [TS]

00:31:19   release I was anyway like hyper sensitive to everything that felt like [TS]

00:31:24   slightly slightly off right at the beginning I was not a fan of that and I [TS]

00:31:29   wasn't a fan of it on the second viewing again but this is where we will start to [TS]

00:31:33   get into some of the things that I think are little bit off a little bit [TS]

00:31:36   it did remove a lot of the gravitas of characters that i think is supposed to [TS]

00:31:39   have some gravitas it did later on I i mean I really liked the humor in the [TS]

00:31:45   film I'm sure we'll talk about that but there were a couple of times with the [TS]

00:31:48   humor felt like it was too much from the streets of New York and not enough from [TS]

00:31:52   a long time ago in a galaxy far far away there's a few things then felt I feel [TS]

00:31:58   like I can say this it felt like to american in a way and in a few moments [TS]

00:32:03   in the movie was ok that's feels very American and it does it doesn't feel [TS]

00:32:08   like this this other place but yeah but relative relatively minor thing [TS]

00:32:13   relatively minor thing at the moment since I just talked about a moment where [TS]

00:32:18   I was a little bit worried about stuff I kind of want to talk about the the [TS]

00:32:22   moment when I felt just sold on this movie and just really stopped thinking [TS]

00:32:29   about watching the Star Wars movie and I started just watching a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:32:33   yeah and this was this was when they have the introduction for the main [TS]

00:32:41   character of the movie the girl ray yeah and so they there's these establishing [TS]

00:32:45   shots of her and she is a scavenger on new Tatooine and she's pulling apart all [TS]

00:32:51   of these ships and she has this this like I don't know how long it is maybe [TS]

00:32:56   you five minute introductory scene seven minutes or so where that is totally free [TS]

00:33:02   of dialogue and she's she's not saying anything the movie just showing her [TS]

00:33:06   going about her her life is a scavenger and it's great because they're in the [TS]

00:33:12   background their these scenes of these big ships that have crashed on [TS]

00:33:16   Jaku and they don't bother explaining like how the ship's got that like who [TS]

00:33:20   cares it just looks Star Wars here's this person going through the rubbish [TS]

00:33:24   and there's just this little moment when she's collected up all of her stuff and [TS]

00:33:30   she puts it on this little sledge is on the top of a sand dune and she slides [TS]

00:33:35   down the San do [TS]

00:33:36   and there's this just to my mind this pitch perfect musical that is is that [TS]

00:33:46   the use throughout the movie but it's the first time you hear it I've been [TS]

00:33:49   thinking about that shot I don't know why but for some reason that was just [TS]

00:33:53   the moment I felt like this is really great you have injuries done at the [TS]

00:33:59   bombastic here's some fight scene of their spaceships here in there like no [TS]

00:34:03   you're establishing a new character you're also you're also taking your time [TS]

00:34:09   in doing this you don't feel rushed very much like the earlier Star Wars movies [TS]

00:34:14   which are surprisingly slow in some scenes when you watch them now this felt [TS]

00:34:19   like the same thing like you taking plenty of time to do it and then on top [TS]

00:34:22   of it you have new music but it's still feels like Star Wars and it still feels [TS]

00:34:29   like this belongs right in in the movie I love the non smoking establishment of [TS]

00:34:37   her as a brand new character and that was the point where I really feel like [TS]

00:34:40   I'm just sitting back and just watching this movie and I'm not really nervous [TS]

00:34:44   about it anymore or thinking about him watching a brand new Star Wars I'm just [TS]

00:34:48   engaged with the new character who is doing things in this world like that's [TS]

00:34:53   that's where I really felt sold on this establishing so much about her you know [TS]

00:34:59   she's she's tecnico she's resourceful she's she's she's like muscular like [TS]

00:35:06   she's action she's a she's a woman of action all the time even through that [TS]

00:35:12   even through that sort of gentle breather after the action he's not used [TS]

00:35:17   to so much about her in a short space of time still and watching that silent [TS]

00:35:22   introduction the second time I was even just more aware of all of the things [TS]

00:35:26   that are being established about her and also I don't know who that actress is [TS]

00:35:32   never seen her before in anything but man I i think [TS]

00:35:37   she nails that role every line in every scene I just think she just hits it [TS]

00:35:46   right out of the park there's something about her that she's just so natural [TS]

00:35:51   that she really feels a part of the Star Wars world unlike some other people I [TS]

00:35:56   might mention later but I just thought she was she was just amazing she just [TS]

00:36:01   fits so perfectly and it's one of these things that I can never quite put my [TS]

00:36:05   finger on it but some some actors and actresses are just so natural on-screen [TS]

00:36:11   you just feel like they are what they are and other people you feel like oh [TS]

00:36:15   you're a good actor but I'm aware of you is being an actor and she was just the [TS]

00:36:20   total natural so I felt like man who have you found her from the casting [TS]

00:36:24   department it was just an amazing choice she was so good even just even just [TS]

00:36:29   little things about in this silent introduction when they show her eating [TS]

00:36:33   the bread that she's earned from from the items that she has scavenged she's [TS]

00:36:36   eating that bread convincingly like a person who is really hungry and not [TS]

00:36:41   doing it in an overly obvious way it's just so natural I guess this is a person [TS]

00:36:46   who got less food than they were expecting from their scavenging and [TS]

00:36:49   she's she's hungry and she's she's eating this and it sounds dumb to [TS]

00:36:53   mention that but it's it's just a just a pleasure to watch them on screen who's [TS]

00:36:58   just so so good at their job is she was really really just amazing [TS]

00:37:04   on Mon lot side least here geez absolute top number one i think she's the best [TS]

00:37:09   thing about the whole film yeah without a doubt that the actress is also the [TS]

00:37:14   characters she does a great performance but the character so interesting and [TS]

00:37:18   because their costumes great like every every every single thing about that [TS]

00:37:24   character ray is is brilliant and I think she is absolutely makes the film I [TS]

00:37:29   always wanted to say what she was up to when she was on screen could you imagine [TS]

00:37:34   just imagine if George Lucas had to write a three-minute silence scene for [TS]

00:37:39   introducing a new character how [TS]

00:37:42   how unbearably awful would that be would he even try now of course not but it's [TS]

00:37:48   and that's where like that just felt really great like man I am in the hands [TS]

00:37:52   of a competent team was able to show me things without having to explain things [TS]

00:37:58   like that they're people who are thinking about this where they show her [TS]

00:38:01   writing the notches on the wall so you have some sense though she's been in [TS]

00:38:05   this place for a long time you know everything about her life like you said [TS]

00:38:09   you you learn this from her and she is great and and the the directing team [TS]

00:38:13   even things like I just kept thinking wow there are interesting camera angles [TS]

00:38:17   in this movie like they're choosing to put the camera in [TS]

00:38:21   angled locations to show you a bunch of different stuff actually I realized on [TS]

00:38:25   the second time around her first line of dialogue is in them is in some made up [TS]

00:38:28   language right she's she's yelling at the guy who finds the the Droid BB 8900 [TS]

00:38:35   she's she's yelling in a in a different language and it just comes off as [TS]

00:38:38   convincing as she she sounds like she does speak some other language and and [TS]

00:38:43   even then she makes like a little head gesture and she should she's the Droid [TS]

00:38:46   she just comes off right away as very very competent character and and and a [TS]

00:38:51   great actress yes seriously Daisy Ridley's the actress's name however I [TS]

00:38:56   feel like this is a moment where maybe I would take something which is on the [TS]

00:38:59   dark side as as you have divided your lists let me get my dockside paper as [TS]

00:39:04   well as well as my tax ID paper cuz for as much as I love lots of stuff in this [TS]

00:39:12   movie showing you things without explaining it to you I feel like there [TS]

00:39:19   was some writer on the team or someone who felt that there had to be lots of [TS]

00:39:27   exposition that was redundant in the movie there are tons of lines in this [TS]

00:39:32   movie where people say things twice or three times right in a row and it just [TS]

00:39:37   really irked the heck out of me and this girl has one of those lines where she is [TS]

00:39:45   she goes into town with BB 8-18 you in the silence seen we have established [TS]

00:39:49   that she's obviously been there for a long time she's taking off his remarks [TS]

00:39:54   on the wall [TS]

00:39:55   but she says the to the Droid I know all about 180 for my family [TS]

00:40:00   they'll be back I feel like these these lines like we know you're waiting for [TS]

00:40:04   someone you don't need to explicitly say this out loud and I just like they were [TS]

00:40:09   a bunch of lines were someone would just say things several times over and over [TS]

00:40:14   again and I just found that kind of your eating like the exposition dial in [TS]

00:40:18   dialogue was was turned up way too many times I gotta have a couple notes for [TS]

00:40:24   similar similar lines were someone else later in the movie says the Droid is in [TS]

00:40:28   the hands of your father Hans solo it again now we know we got it right we got [TS]

00:40:33   it but you don't you have to say it twice that everybody in the movie knows [TS]

00:40:36   what you're talking about I meet people don't always pay attention and if things [TS]

00:40:40   are really important you gonna make sure they know them they're cut the times I [TS]

00:40:44   agree I think I don't think her putting notches on the wall of her of her home [TS]

00:40:50   or if she was immediately said to me she was waiting for something we did need to [TS]

00:40:54   be told she was waiting for people to come back with but they are real they [TS]

00:40:58   visit that later in the movie later in the lobby where they do it like it's not [TS]

00:41:03   necessary to do right now you have some sense you have some sense of this [TS]

00:41:06   already and I think it'd be more powerful leader if you don't like hammer [TS]

00:41:09   it home and you know and then lined a great in the beginning when someone is [TS]

00:41:15   talking to Kyle 0 ran away and he says over the first-order rose from the [TS]

00:41:20   darkside you did not write telling us the color and didn't start out evil then [TS]

00:41:26   his very next line is you can't deny the origin of your family is ok but you [TS]

00:41:30   could have stopped did you did not like we understand he didn't start out on the [TS]

00:41:34   dark side you don't have to like super hammered in I think my favorite my [TS]

00:41:38   favorite example of this is is down at the very end they mention someone that [TS]

00:41:44   the pilot guy has a line about it's it's destroying the Sun right in when the Sun [TS]

00:41:48   is when the Sun is gone then the other weapon as ready as I okay that's a great [TS]

00:41:53   line he says so as long as it's light out we still have a chance attacking you [TS]

00:41:57   did you just said that like you just said that line with your previous line [TS]

00:42:01   that that's probably one of things just irritated me the most is feeling like [TS]

00:42:04   there were lots of these lines for people who like [TS]

00:42:08   really trying to make sure that you following along and I understand what [TS]

00:42:12   movies do that but I just don't know if you like you I always one less [TS]

00:42:16   exposition then there are movies and this movie felt like they were a few [TS]

00:42:19   really egregious lines of of exposition I agree with that someone later in the [TS]

00:42:25   film I thought that was that was later a bit thick but I also think the fact you [TS]

00:42:28   saw this film twice in three days is contributing to that and I think it's [TS]

00:42:33   definitely not because that was that was I have fun looking on on my screen [TS]

00:42:38   working on my screen the two sets of notes that I have which was the first [TS]

00:42:41   reaction notes and my first reaction notes has a big thing saying there's 22 [TS]

00:42:47   much as 20% too much exposition and I wrote down that line about light and [TS]

00:42:51   made a note from future me to find some of the other lines because the first [TS]

00:42:55   time I watched it I felt like there's just too much of this is too much of [TS]

00:42:59   this I mean I've heard you complain about this with other films to them as [TS]

00:43:02   well you know i think i think you know everyone pays close to pay close [TS]

00:43:07   attention so I feel about the same way but not everyone pays close attention I [TS]

00:43:11   was a bit too much about but I don't think at like crippled the film and and [TS]

00:43:15   I need the gym no I don't I don't think so either but it's one of the things I [TS]

00:43:19   like when you're really enjoying the movie I just find that stuff like sticks [TS]

00:43:23   in his stick side as this would be a better movie it without this yeah that's [TS]

00:43:29   also do you have something from your dark side list that you want to mention [TS]

00:43:31   something this semi related and almost funny that this is this kind of almost [TS]

00:43:40   goes against what you said and that is I felt like this film like a a big [TS]

00:43:48   complaint about the terrible terrible prequels is that they completely [TS]

00:43:53   abandoned sort of characters and interesting counties and they [TS]

00:43:56   concentrated on this boring politics and this is this big the match the Metro [TS]

00:44:03   story of what's going on in the galaxy I feel like this film went very very far [TS]

00:44:09   in the other direction to the point where I kinda didn't understand the big [TS]

00:44:14   picture very much and therefore I didn't really care [TS]

00:44:18   about some of the things that were going on like who's in charge of the galaxy [TS]

00:44:22   now and that that planet they blew up I I sort of had the impression that the [TS]

00:44:27   bad guys the empire had sort of had retained control after Return of the [TS]

00:44:30   Jedi but then these bad guys with their stock of blowing up is that the planet [TS]

00:44:37   with the Senate on it they just blew up so it is the zip code is as the military [TS]

00:44:41   take over the government and let and hang on so princess Leia's like still a [TS]

00:44:47   rebel so there is still rebels so the bad guys are still in control so why [TS]

00:44:52   they why do they play that up and and lots and lots of the stuff happening at [TS]

00:44:56   the higher level like the big the big politics I was completely bamboozled by [TS]

00:45:01   and therefore I was finding it hard to sort of like a those guys with the stock [TS]

00:45:06   cooler bad so obviously a play that thing up but who's in charge but what's [TS]

00:45:11   going on there was there was a lot of the macro was lost on me I was very [TS]

00:45:16   engaged with the micro but the big picture was lost to me and therefore for [TS]

00:45:20   example at the end of a new hope you just want that Death Star blown up so [TS]

00:45:23   bad you know you know how bad is you know who's good you know who's bad this [TS]

00:45:26   this attack is the culmination but by the end of force awakens it's a bit like [TS]

00:45:31   you care about the star killer thing and therefore this big siege at the end when [TS]

00:45:36   I fly unemployed up it's a bit like yeah I can see why your blood that bad but it [TS]

00:45:44   wasn't it wasn't God thank God it's gone it's gone it's gone the Death Star was [TS]

00:45:49   gonna blow up every plan and the Galaxy it was really feel it is Starkiller on [TS]

00:45:53   like we win next ok what what massive spherical planet destroying device that [TS]

00:46:01   they're gonna be a next whistle blew up a similar thing in my first reaction [TS]

00:46:04   notes that I was I was thinking oh did I miss something here because I had a note [TS]

00:46:10   about the first-order Senate resistance question mark and my feeling was I don't [TS]

00:46:18   understand the relationship between these three entities and you know when [TS]

00:46:24   I'm what when I was first watching the movie it was ok I'm just going along [TS]

00:46:27   with this we have we have obviously the bad guys and obviously the good guy [TS]

00:46:31   guys but as soon as the star killer came online it did immediately drawn to my [TS]

00:46:37   attention like wait I don't actually understand what's going on because this [TS]

00:46:42   resistance seems separates from the senate it doesn't it doesn't seem like [TS]

00:46:48   they are connected and when I was watching a movie a second time I was [TS]

00:46:52   trying to pay attention they did I miss online like something explaining [TS]

00:46:55   something here and we really know and there's actually a line that made me [TS]

00:46:59   even more confused because when the when the evil general is giving his big [TS]

00:47:03   speech about how we're going to destroy that senate he makes he makes some [TS]

00:47:08   remark i wish i I caught it the exact remark but he makes some remark that [TS]

00:47:12   it's the lead me to believe that there is some formal separation between the [TS]

00:47:19   senate and the resistance he makes remarkable how ago that the senate is [TS]

00:47:23   you know is lying about something about the resistance and then it's ok now this [TS]

00:47:28   is really unclear the relationship between these entities like i presume [TS]

00:47:32   that the senate is running the Galaxy now and then the first order is the [TS]

00:47:38   remnants of the empire with incredible resources like oh don't mind us with our [TS]

00:47:48   terror but then like where the rebellion fits into that is very confusing to me [TS]

00:47:56   that like if you are not the area where the resistance in the give you are not [TS]

00:48:00   the army of the senate like I'm I am confused now like you're in it you [TS]

00:48:05   princess Lalla how are you connected to all of this is that felt weird the film [TS]

00:48:11   would have made more sense if the resistance princess layer and the people [TS]

00:48:15   with the ex wings was the military branch of the Senate but then they would [TS]

00:48:20   no longer be underdogs they would be part of the establishment and you'd lose [TS]

00:48:24   that whole dynamic so for some reason they've made them to some sort of [TS]

00:48:27   splinter freedom fighters when when it doesn't really logically may make sense [TS]

00:48:33   i mean because who they're resisting this first order lunch like you know the [TS]

00:48:38   enemy that the outsiders or are they all are [TS]

00:48:41   I actually had the impression that the first order was the military branch of [TS]

00:48:45   the the Senate but the government and that gone bad you know because they've [TS]

00:48:51   got an army that was confusing it remains confusing to me it remains [TS]

00:48:58   confusing I'm sure there are answers to all these me extended universe like all [TS]

00:49:03   of us like I don't really care I'm just watching this movie and I'm curious but [TS]

00:49:06   the things in the universe of the movie but yeah I did think it was it was weird [TS]

00:49:10   and a weird dynamic is like you want both of these sides to be underdogs they [TS]

00:49:15   don't it's it's strange if it was a bit strange it's a it's a minor complaint [TS]

00:49:20   but it is definitely one of the things I think of is the mark of a good movie is [TS]

00:49:26   that the more you think about the movie the more the movie rewards you for [TS]

00:49:31   thinking about it and bad movies are the kind of movies where you have to say I [TS]

00:49:37   movie just don't think about it because if you think about it all you know it [TS]

00:49:40   all just falls to pieces right and it doesn't work at all and I definitely [TS]

00:49:45   have found myself thinking about the Star Wars movie a lot which is great but [TS]

00:49:48   this is one of those moments was like don't don't think about the connection [TS]

00:49:52   between these three entities too much I don't don't think about it because it [TS]

00:49:55   it's it's it causes a little bit of a problem and it's not really explained so [TS]

00:49:59   it's I think it's interesting that you picked up on that as as well I thought [TS]

00:50:04   the character of skin [TS]

00:50:06   this is asked a stormtrooper turned turned hero was also really good also [TS]

00:50:14   super strong you know from that moment we see in the trailer where his head [TS]

00:50:18   pops up and he looks like he's overreacting a little bit I'm thinking [TS]

00:50:21   I'll know what have they done again I really liked him I really like to I [TS]

00:50:28   really cared about him and that's that's the that's the most important thing is [TS]

00:50:33   that you care about care about because he was I thought he put in a good [TS]

00:50:36   performance there were 10 times I think he pushed the credibility of what that [TS]

00:50:41   character would do under the circumstances when you go sexy and funny [TS]

00:50:45   and remain [TS]

00:50:46   there a few times like now you wouldn't be acting that way in these [TS]

00:50:49   circumstances so that so for that reason you know he wasn't quite as a [TS]

00:50:55   superlative characters say the rate character but I thought he was really [TS]

00:50:59   good hit really good chemistry with the right character I'm really intrigued as [TS]

00:51:04   to you know what will happen with their relationship so I thought another real [TS]

00:51:10   asset to the film you know I think that I think they've done really well they're [TS]

00:51:13   totally with their two most important characters on the hero side of things [TS]

00:51:17   yes [TS]

00:51:21   disagree a little bit because I really like the characters well I think the [TS]

00:51:27   idea of having the storm trooper as as a character is is very good I like the [TS]

00:51:32   role that he plays in the movie but he would he was one of the the actors were [TS]

00:51:37   alike [TS]

00:51:38   you're not there are a bunch of lines that he gives in the movie that I felt [TS]

00:51:42   were clunky and he he was one of the major before saying something's felt a [TS]

00:51:49   little bit to american and he was one of these things that there were moments [TS]

00:51:53   with you you sound very American [TS]

00:51:58   in a few of these scenes but a bit off again it just it's it's so hard they can [TS]

00:52:05   watching movie is it so hard to pin down why things are different because [TS]

00:52:08   Harrison Ford shows up in this movie and he talks and he's obviously American and [TS]

00:52:12   he actually is American and it doesn't it doesn't feel that way but the guy [TS]

00:52:18   playing Finn had a few lines I just feel like this is out of place that's what I [TS]

00:52:25   meant when I said you wouldn't act that way a lot when he when he confronts his [TS]

00:52:29   old stormtrooper boss towards the end of the film [TS]

00:52:33   me now sort of that kind of calm in charge of charge I mean that was that [TS]

00:52:38   was that mister that mister bay in a very jarring way that sort of punch out [TS]

00:52:43   of the film for a for a few seconds so there yet that that's why wasn't you [TS]

00:52:48   know that's why I said it wasn't as perfect a sort of the rain go away I [TS]

00:52:51   don't remember ever being ever been now I know she's but she's Pittsburgh the [TS]

00:52:55   whole way through but I think it's not even the lines that he has to deliver [TS]

00:52:58   which sometimes they're hard sometimes but it's the way he delivers them it's [TS]

00:53:03   it's his accent in his way of speaking feel like clunky lines and i ended up [TS]

00:53:09   looking him up because I wanted to know if I think she's my suspicions about [TS]

00:53:15   this I found out he's actually English he went to school in london keyes other [TS]

00:53:20   person I have no idea who he is [TS]

00:53:22   which for a Star Wars movie by the way is the right way to go you don't wanna [TS]

00:53:25   have very obvious known characters are very obvious known actors in your Star [TS]

00:53:30   Wars movie you want to find a new crop of people who are talented I think [TS]

00:53:33   that's a really hard job to do [TS]

00:53:35   unknowns were relative unknowns we're also really good but he is English maybe [TS]

00:53:42   it was because he is obviously trying to hide his English accent in the movie [TS]

00:53:46   because maybe they don't want their two main characters do have the same accent [TS]

00:53:49   which is quite reasonable but I wonder if that's why some of his his lines of [TS]

00:53:53   dialogue just feel really really clunky to me when he delivers them as I go [TS]

00:53:58   you're you're not using a natural voice are trying to put on an accent and your [TS]

00:54:01   accent sounds very American but maybe because it's not exactly American is why [TS]

00:54:06   it feels off and weird sometimes so my feeling is is he was fine but i ik I [TS]

00:54:12   would not say that he was great like I really like the character but I don't [TS]

00:54:16   think that the actor did a perfect job with with what he was with what he was [TS]

00:54:21   given speaking of people sending americans let's come under Carrie Fisher [TS]

00:54:26   for a minute I don't know what's happened with her voice but she has sort [TS]

00:54:32   of an odd voice now and she sounded her she sounded distractingly American to me [TS]

00:54:39   like really strong I don't know what her accent is what part of america's from [TS]

00:54:43   Harrison Ford lots of people have American accents and nothing of the sort [TS]

00:54:49   of India's fishes Jackson her voice has changed in such a way over the years [TS]

00:54:55   that she her voice really distracted me i i had real problems with with her she [TS]

00:55:04   sounded character Carrie Fisher has been through quite a rough time since the [TS]

00:55:09   Star Wars movies in this galaxy and that galaxy [TS]

00:55:14   time so it is not surprising that her her voice sounds shockingly different [TS]

00:55:20   sounds like no sound like someone who's been through a rough time it is weird [TS]

00:55:25   because when she did first come on camera I found her distracting as well [TS]

00:55:30   as a few you look very different and you sound very different and I find you [TS]

00:55:34   quite distracting again in a way that I just I was impressed by how did not [TS]

00:55:38   distracting old Harrison Ford was I was expecting it to be a bit oh god that's [TS]

00:55:43   off-camera as fast as possible but I think he did a great job and then he was [TS]

00:55:48   really believe I think they gave him too much action work today I think he I [TS]

00:55:54   think that when he's running around on that freighter when those monsters are [TS]

00:55:57   on the loose [TS]

00:55:58   he's really lumbering like I'm thinking there's no way you're going to get away [TS]

00:56:01   from those monsters like you are to be much longer and it's it's it's low [TS]

00:56:12   hanging fruit on these people for being a bit wooden now but I think he was too [TS]

00:56:18   old for some of the things he was being us today and it was a few times I was [TS]

00:56:21   thinking fella don't make it don't make him run there someone going aside from [TS]

00:56:27   that that monster sequence when they're on the spaceship and the monsters get [TS]

00:56:32   loose which for me might be the low point of the film is that monster [TS]

00:56:39   sequence totally agree that whole sequence up on that ship was was was [TS]

00:56:44   definitely the the low ebb it is the low sequence because ok so what's happening [TS]

00:56:48   in the movie at this point right is that our main characters have escaped with [TS]

00:56:51   the Millennium Falcon and Harrison Ford finds them and brings the Millennium [TS]

00:56:57   Falcon on board his ship and there is just this convoluted sequence that the [TS]

00:57:04   end result is like luxuries we want movie we want Harrison Ford back on the [TS]

00:57:08   Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:57:09   everybody wants that harrison ford wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon she [TS]

00:57:12   wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon everybody wants wants to get [TS]

00:57:15   there and it seems to me like you know what you can do movie you could just [TS]

00:57:19   just have Han Solo be really happy that he's found the Millennium Falcon again [TS]

00:57:24   and just fly away on it just abandon his current ship which makes reference to [TS]

00:57:29   his being too big for him to fly anyway because he doesn't have enough of the [TS]

00:57:32   crew like just have him leave but instead there is this very long sequence [TS]

00:57:36   where you know whatever it is that these people that Harrison Ford has had past [TS]

00:57:40   dealings with a land on the ship and there's like an argument and then [TS]

00:57:43   there's monsters escape all of this is just to get him on the Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:57:48   and if I don't [TS]

00:57:50   agree with you there were a few things that needed new chief to that point in [TS]

00:57:54   the film I do agree that they took the wrong way and they could have done it [TS]

00:57:57   much simpler with you know they could not handle of different ways they did [TS]

00:58:01   have to establish that he has spent a long time away as a smuggler he's back [TS]

00:58:07   on the smuggling track right and he'd been and he's been doing it for a while [TS]

00:58:10   cause these double-crossed so many people so he's not just away from layer [TS]

00:58:14   for 10 minutes he's like he's out on the loose again on his own he's out getting [TS]

00:58:18   cigarettes or anything it's been it's been years and we also had to find a [TS]

00:58:22   mechanism for word to get back to the First Republic that Han Solo has the [TS]

00:58:28   Droid so there has to be someone to tell on him so someone has to know this so [TS]

00:58:33   there there were a few little things that have to happen but here I could [TS]

00:58:36   have been done a lot quicker and easier than this very non Star Wars moment of [TS]

00:58:41   this of these monsters roaming around the ship join a global everyone up it [TS]

00:58:45   was felt like pac-man frankly these these these circular monsters are [TS]

00:58:50   rolling around the hallway eating everybody like the pellets and the [TS]

00:58:53   monsters are exactly the right size of all of the hallways in the spaceship [TS]

00:58:57   like me if you made your always two feet shorter bigger problem anywhere let's [TS]

00:59:04   get to be lucky for the video games and you know what [TS]

00:59:06   menu just nailed on the head that feel like a sequence that it really does it's [TS]

00:59:12   also when the kind of thing that happens in movies are just really annoys me [TS]

00:59:16   happens which is you see these monsters with their tentacles grab and eat all of [TS]

00:59:22   these peripheral smugglers who were on board but then when one of the monsters [TS]

00:59:27   gradstein our main character [TS]

00:59:29   the magic of the script protects him from being eaten immediately and [TS]

00:59:33   suddenly the monster decide the column full I'm just gonna run away with this [TS]

00:59:37   person instead of just eating him as you would expect as you would expect the [TS]

00:59:42   month to do and I always feel like that's just cheap oh you've changed the [TS]

00:59:47   rules so that your main character is perfectly fine I have to say I quite I [TS]

00:59:51   really quite liked again because her character is perfect in every way I love [TS]

00:59:55   the fact that Ray doesn't try to fight the monster or find him like she's smart [TS]

00:59:59   enough to go look at the surveillance [TS]

01:00:01   and try to time it with closing the door on the tentacles I love that whole thing [TS]

01:00:05   and I super love that she doesn't bother to explain that she's saved his ass when [TS]

01:00:10   they get up again when it when when the door closes that was lucky and they keep [TS]

01:00:15   moving I love that little that little moment because her humility as well as [TS]

01:00:20   humor and yes but it's not even a humility it's a kind of pragmatism [TS]

01:00:25   pragmatism we gotta keep moving right there's no time to explain this even if [TS]

01:00:30   I want to take credit like not now I will talk about it later over beer or [TS]

01:00:33   something but we gotta go to get out of here now that I think about it that I [TS]

01:00:38   don't know if I'm reading too much into it but that doesn't have a nice occur [TS]

01:00:42   later in the film doesn't know when they come and save her and he doesn't say it [TS]

01:00:46   was my idea to come and save you it's chilly that tells her so it's almost [TS]

01:00:51   like but thats comes back doesn't he could have he could have said Jerry want [TS]

01:00:55   to save you and taken some credit but he didn't and someone else did it for him [TS]

01:00:59   yeah yeah it is it is it is a little bit of an echo but I I don't know if it's [TS]

01:01:03   intentional but I'm still gonna say that that whole sequence it is the part where [TS]

01:01:07   it feels like ok I'm on my second watch through you know as soon as all the [TS]

01:01:13   monsters escape the perfect time to go the battery back when this chase [TS]

01:01:18   sequences over even the shift in Felixstowe will ship it felt like it was [TS]

01:01:22   like my alien or something and it just it was it was it was a node is not part [TS]

01:01:27   of it was it was a strange part 1 the sportswear imagine that people do the [TS]

01:01:32   the recut you know they would cut it down to be much shorter I did like the [TS]

01:01:36   Millennium Falcon going into hyperspace with the monster suck sucking on the [TS]

01:01:40   front of it I couldn't wait to see what would happen as they fired up the [TS]

01:01:43   engines couldn't wait to see what they did to what was going to happen to it [TS]

01:01:46   that is an example of things are better when they just happen but you don't [TS]

01:01:52   focus on it so that is not a dramatic shot of the monster getting just plowed [TS]

01:01:57   through by the Millennium Falcon you just can't see it in the background as [TS]

01:02:01   does mouth that is over the front of the ship and then it separates so you know [TS]

01:02:05   what's happened you know they're just right through it [TS]

01:02:08   and i just i love that kind of stuff in movies like don't over focused on it [TS]

01:02:12   it's better if you just have a thing happen but don't give me all of these [TS]

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01:04:16   for an hour I will I will pick something from a light side list which I have to [TS]

01:04:20   mention complain about things [TS]

01:04:22   BB 8 [TS]

01:04:26   much better than expected I was a little worried from the trailer like here's a [TS]

01:04:31   robot that's made for toys but a holy crap is BB ate a horrible he's [TS]

01:04:37   absolutely adorable in every scene and I am totally sold on the decision to have [TS]

01:04:43   his little head rotate atop the ball body because when you watch it you [TS]

01:04:48   realize man this so much [TS]

01:04:50   animation as possible compared to something like r2d2 [TS]

01:04:54   you feel a lot of emotion from r2d2 you have a sense of him as a character but [TS]

01:04:58   BBA is able to remote through motion in a way that r2d2 c3po really isn't like [TS]

01:05:07   they are so much more limited in their movement but his ability to swirl his [TS]

01:05:10   little head around and and look in different directions it gives him such a [TS]

01:05:14   character and he is no cute cute such a softy gray tell you talk when you're [TS]

01:05:21   playing with Audrey when they're in the Millennium Falcon just shortly before [TS]

01:05:24   Han Solo arrives there is a scene that to me it pushes the edge of things but [TS]

01:05:29   but comes just short of going over my threshold for it but i i think maybe my [TS]

01:05:35   favorite little sequence in the movie is Wednesday and confesses to BB 8 that [TS]

01:05:39   he's not really part of the resistance gotta gotta go with me on this one I [TS]

01:05:44   can't we just can't you just tell us whether rebel bases and I just think [TS]

01:05:48   it's something that's really cute about that moment and I absolutely love winter [TS]

01:05:53   in gives him the thumbs-up and BB 8 sticks out his little lighter thing and [TS]

01:05:57   gives it a little a little his imitation of a thumbs-up that is right on the edge [TS]

01:06:02   of something that I would be if the movie was done less well but it just [TS]

01:06:06   came in under and I totally love that little sequence I i join the sequence I [TS]

01:06:11   think the little cigarette lighter thumbs up it was stretching it and maybe [TS]

01:06:15   that just just put a toke over the line for half a second game [TS]

01:06:20   everything came before it gives it cause it is a funny it is a funny little [TS]

01:06:23   exchange between the two is definitely a subjective moment like for you it's [TS]

01:06:28   slightly over the edge and for me it is fairly under [TS]

01:06:33   has barely under but it is saved by the fact that again it is so fast it is just [TS]

01:06:38   a split second that he does the little later thing and pulls it right back in [TS]

01:06:41   you know they focused on it too long is now this is no good but I absolutely [TS]

01:06:45   love that that was that was really great [TS]

01:06:46   some of the big things what did you think about new Vader Tyler ran I liked [TS]

01:06:55   him I thought I like too many was menacing with his mask I thought he he [TS]

01:07:00   was cool looking not over the top he looked like he looked real lucky look [TS]

01:07:04   like they were trying to make something that looked amazing they were just [TS]

01:07:07   making a quiet cool and standard villain when he was out of the mask and being [TS]

01:07:13   like you know just the dude I thought he was close to being a little beer young [TS]

01:07:20   Anakin Skywalker windy but he just he just acted well enough to get away get [TS]

01:07:26   away with a chance I like to I like him as a human as well I loved his temp I [TS]

01:07:30   love that he kept his lightsaber out and having his temper tantrums I like that [TS]

01:07:36   about him and I like that became his like but that moment with the storm [TS]

01:07:40   troopers walk around the corner and they realize he's having another one of these [TS]

01:07:42   tensions in this kind of back away was like one of the funniest bits of the [TS]

01:07:46   film was the thing that makes them forming as hell though the one storm [TS]

01:07:49   trooper put out his hand to stop the other one in the way to give a couples [TS]

01:07:53   walking along the street and wonder this is something that the other one doesn't [TS]

01:07:56   because they're talking about your hand to stop the other person than just a [TS]

01:08:00   little humanizing moment as you can imagine they're having some conversation [TS]

01:08:03   in their head communicators or whatever it is like a way to meet a buddy this [TS]

01:08:08   before we got official somewhere else right now so I did like him I'll say [TS]

01:08:17   something about the the final battle about it at the end though but I like to [TS]

01:08:22   do you like him I thought he was really well done and the thing that I kept [TS]

01:08:27   thinking which I was amazed by any case it's just the difference that competence [TS]

01:08:32   makes [TS]

01:08:33   is that this new Vader is an angst evader which is exactly the thing that [TS]

01:08:40   everybody complains about in the prequels that the actual Darth Vader is [TS]

01:08:45   an angsty kinda teenage character and the Chi Lorraine character feels that [TS]

01:08:50   he's he is in that same genre like his temper tantrums later in the movie I [TS]

01:08:56   think it's interesting that when the key is in a battle and he's really upset [TS]

01:09:00   he's I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice is suddenly very different [TS]

01:09:05   it's like he's lost control over projecting menace rate and he's he's [TS]

01:09:10   much more closer to a screeching edge of things are mostly you would expect a [TS]

01:09:14   teenager to be but it works it works and I think the reason it works is because [TS]

01:09:22   the actor and the costume are still able to project menace and I think the first [TS]

01:09:31   time he flips out is a really key scene when when there's always in Star Wars [TS]

01:09:37   like you don't want to be the officer who has to report to the darkside guy [TS]

01:09:41   that's not that nobody wants that job right now it's a terrible job much [TS]

01:09:45   throat choking in that situation but the first time you go through this very Star [TS]

01:09:50   Wars scene where the officer has to say oh we've lost the Droid and I think it's [TS]

01:09:54   great because it is stabbed wishes him is being really menacing that he he [TS]

01:09:58   trashes the console in front of him and then when the officer gives this [TS]

01:10:01   additional piece of information it's such a great shot of him using the force [TS]

01:10:07   to do not just force choke the guy but to pull him across the room to like [TS]

01:10:12   inches in front of his face and it's that kind of thing that gives it it [TS]

01:10:16   gives it menace and so it feels like ok he's not just throwing a tantrum because [TS]

01:10:21   things haven't gone his way is a he is furious and upset but he is also [TS]

01:10:28   dangerous and I think the actor actor does it really well and I kept looking [TS]

01:10:33   at the costume which I thought was a really great comparison to later because [TS]

01:10:38   it's so [TS]

01:10:40   slender in many ways like he he is a slender guy he doesn't have the same [TS]

01:10:46   kind of huge physical presence the Darth Vader does and I think that's a really [TS]

01:10:51   good choice for doing something that is similar but you have the same kind of [TS]

01:10:55   Darth Vader's feel but it is it's not the same and I just thought he looked [TS]

01:11:00   great in a lot of those scenes as much more slender character he's even just [TS]

01:11:06   wearing like this relatively light rope that doesn't even go all the way around [TS]

01:11:09   him it's just it was a great visual look and I also thought the voice was done [TS]

01:11:13   very well it was his his his voice over the way he spoke [TS]

01:11:19   reminiscent of Vater but not a mimicry and I think it was it was also done [TS]

01:11:26   really well that it it sounded like oh this is almost like a side effect of the [TS]

01:11:29   kinds of helmets that all of these people wear because I was aware that [TS]

01:11:34   when he spoke for the first time very shortly after they have the the female [TS]

01:11:38   general start stormtrooper talk and her voice is also distorted in kind of a [TS]

01:11:44   similar way and as his I feel like it almost establishes like oh he's not [TS]

01:11:48   doing the Darth Vader impression they're all just talking through helmets that [TS]

01:11:52   distort their voice and maybe it's the avid audio plugin they use all of these [TS]

01:11:59   people sound like this and I think that's a good choice to very soon [TS]

01:12:03   here and other character who sounds somewhat similar to him like it or not [TS]

01:12:07   doing a Darth Vader voice this is just what storm stormtrooper helmets are like [TS]

01:12:11   and he has a custom one I love that his mass blood was a bit dinged up well as [TS]

01:12:16   well like it was just the mask look lived in a distro it was it was perfect [TS]

01:12:21   I was really aware of that too that there were a few dings on the on the [TS]

01:12:23   front the front faceplate that this is perfect this feels like a real universe [TS]

01:12:29   think this is a guy who has used this mask over the course of time and it's [TS]

01:12:35   it's a real thing that has been around for a long time it is not straight from [TS]

01:12:40   the prop department even though it obviously is say the new the new coaches [TS]

01:12:44   are doing well what about the ok as I I mentioned I thought I was a bit [TS]

01:12:51   embarrassed by chance i load times [TS]

01:12:53   aside from the weird action sequence on that that spaceship I felt mostly the [TS]

01:13:01   script was actually pretty good and having him not do too much again if you [TS]

01:13:06   put that one action sequences side there's not much to say how many shots [TS]

01:13:10   of him running around he's in there were few there are a few where he's like [TS]

01:13:15   shoot his blaster and being a hero and I'm thinkin yeah when shooting your [TS]

01:13:19   blaster in being a hero is very different from running really don't show [TS]

01:13:24   an old man running for the most part I think that's a good decision that he he [TS]

01:13:28   is there he is doing things the one that to me is over the line is when he [TS]

01:13:32   doesn't even look and shoots a stormtrooper that to me was like I'm [TS]

01:13:37   hitting the no buzzer on that one [TS]

01:13:39   you should cut that half second because because how is that even possible right [TS]

01:13:44   is he just lucky going back again to think it think about something like the [TS]

01:13:49   the scene earlier in the movie when rain and Finn are escaping on new Tatooine in [TS]

01:13:56   the Millennium Falcon which is a great great fight sequence and she's flying [TS]

01:14:01   from the inside of one of the crash star destroyers and the gun get stuck and she [TS]

01:14:05   pulls on this amazing maneuver where she know she flies through and and shuts off [TS]

01:14:09   the engine at just the right moment and turns the whole ship to line up the gun [TS]

01:14:14   with Thai fighter so that finding the back and shoot the gun and hit think [TS]

01:14:18   that that's seen in a Star Wars movie is believable because it's conveying to you [TS]

01:14:25   immediately that she is more sensitive [TS]

01:14:28   no one could pull off that maneuver like Han Solo couldn't have pulled off a [TS]

01:14:33   maneuver she's only able to do it because she is special I feel like a [TS]

01:14:38   game that that is again like the movie is telling you something about this [TS]

01:14:41   character is done really well we're as Han Solo just shooting a stormtrooper [TS]

01:14:46   without looking behind his back feels like it just feels done there's no [TS]

01:14:50   reason for it to happen it doesn't make any sense in the context of the movie [TS]

01:14:53   and after me it's it's over the line and I would if I always get out there like [TS]

01:14:58   no jeje abrams we're just gonna cut this it's it's two seconds it adds nothing [TS]

01:15:01   it's not actually that funny and it's a bit out of place [TS]

01:15:05   you bring up the Millennium Falcon I wasn't entirely pleased with the use of [TS]

01:15:10   the Millennium Falcon I thought they got a little bit comic book cartoonish with [TS]

01:15:18   it at times one of the things I like about this is a sort of feels a bit like [TS]

01:15:23   it obeys the laws of physics and you know if you're if you if you if your [TS]

01:15:29   plane crashes into a forest that's like bad rights and I feel like I feel at the [TS]

01:15:33   Millennium Falcon survived scrapes and landing incidents that the shuttle now [TS]

01:15:40   bagged up old ship so shouldn't survive and it was performing maneuvers that it [TS]

01:15:45   shouldn't be performing I thought the time when Ray flew on Dzeko was such an [TS]

01:15:50   amazing saying and so much fun that I kind of a kind of forgave the amazing [TS]

01:15:55   nimbleness it was showing flying inside a Star Destroyer I forgave that yeah and [TS]

01:16:00   and you point out showed that she said she had something special about her that [TS]

01:16:03   she could do that very implausible move of turning it off and turning it on [TS]

01:16:07   right before the impossibility is a plot point as opposed to just something that [TS]

01:16:12   is happening whereas seconds earlier when she tries to take off and it its [TS]

01:16:16   matches against the ground and then smashes into a building I agree with you [TS]

01:16:20   it feels like is there physics here because I'm pretty sure that things [TS]

01:16:24   should have been torn to pieces [TS]

01:16:26   the landing on the sly planner and coming out of hyperspace so close to a [TS]

01:16:32   plan and then landing on the planet the way they did like that just that was [TS]

01:16:36   like ok this is like this is not believable I didn't I didn't like that [TS]

01:16:41   and it also didn't feel necessary of a kind of saved why they did it with the [TS]

01:16:46   snow planet because otherwise you landed on the snow plan it would be like what [TS]

01:16:49   is then is there has been no freakiness required to get there [TS]

01:16:53   the movie won some reason why they and only vacant land and this maneuver is [TS]

01:17:00   the reason but it doesn't make sense when you think about it too long [TS]

01:17:04   yes I I don't think like it was all this talk about how you know thank goodness [TS]

01:17:11   Lucas didn't destroy the millennium pakistanis prequels and [TS]

01:17:14   and James will treat it with care and respect it deserves [TS]

01:17:18   I don't think it was treated with care and respect it deserves and I thought it [TS]

01:17:22   became it was used to match and it was used [TS]

01:17:26   into into his silly ways and I think it didn't do justice to the to the great [TS]

01:17:30   lady of the skies I get I can definitely agree with you there like the crash [TS]

01:17:35   landing in the forest it feels like I remember in a previous movie when ever [TS]

01:17:40   so slightly bumping against the inside of a Death Star ripped off a vital [TS]

01:17:44   component are we not in that same universe now we can just smash straight [TS]

01:17:50   through trees and it's fine it just seemed it does seem a little bit does [TS]

01:17:53   seem a little bit too much but speaking speaking of for sensitivity there is one [TS]

01:17:58   thing in the movie that then I really feel very strongly about is just a [TS]

01:18:03   terrible terrible mistake and it is near the end of his fans lightsaber battle [TS]

01:18:12   with our new character Tyler on yet and when I first watched the movie I really [TS]

01:18:22   didn't like this scene and I thought maybe I'm being too hard on it let me [TS]

01:18:25   watch a closer and in the second watching and I hate it even more on the [TS]

01:18:29   second rewatching I think nothing about that scene makes any sense it shouldn't [TS]

01:18:36   happen it's bad for both characters I just I love that lightsaber seems so [TS]

01:18:41   much is just the two of them in the forest before so this is yes this is [TS]

01:18:45   Vinh vs Chi lo ran in the forest its snowing which by the way on the [TS]

01:18:50   lightsaber fights in the in the snow in forest beautiful scene I love that they [TS]

01:18:55   get just it looks gorgeous let me say that is it's it's phenomenal but [TS]

01:19:01   haha why on earth can fin use a lightsaber competently it again against [TS]

01:19:09   someone who's already shown as he's pretty handy with the full yeah I know [TS]

01:19:13   he's injured by getting shot by chilly but it was still I think the movie was [TS]

01:19:18   trying to do because there was one done seen which actually makes me think of [TS]

01:19:22   indiana Jones which is the first time venues [TS]

01:19:25   the lightsaber is whether they visited the the man's character there on that [TS]

01:19:30   forest planets and the storm troopers have landed and he's out there he's [TS]

01:19:34   unarmed he has only the lightsaber [TS]

01:19:36   ok that's reasonable he's going to have to use a lightsaber in a situation [TS]

01:19:39   because he doesn't have a gun fair enough so he goes out to the field he [TS]

01:19:43   kills a stormtrooper but then another storm trooper in this in this moment [TS]

01:19:46   which made me laugh a little bit wasn't supposed to this other stormtrooper sees [TS]

01:19:50   him recognizes him goes trader and does this weird like throw down gesture where [TS]

01:19:55   he just drops whatever the heck is he's carrying can't even tell what it's [TS]

01:19:58   supposed to be on screen [TS]

01:20:00   and then he pulls out some kind of big electric baton to like wait a minute why [TS]

01:20:07   isn't this like Indiana Jones why don't you [TS]

01:20:10   stormtrooper just shoot him you like you have a gun while he's not going to be [TS]

01:20:16   able to deflect votes like Luke Skywalker yes he's not he's not a Jedi [TS]

01:20:20   you know he's not a Jedi [TS]

01:20:23   that fight scene was so dumb it's also really confusing because it was about [TS]

01:20:28   selling Tony Abbott what is this what is this weapon this storm trooper has that [TS]

01:20:34   is a melee weapon that light sabers can't cut through that you have this [TS]

01:20:38   weapon that is can go up against a lightsaber ok that's very interesting [TS]

01:20:42   and quite notable for thing that you're just going to casually have happen but [TS]

01:20:47   what I think the movie was trying to establish their [TS]

01:20:50   in the dumbest way possible had for some bizarre reason storm troopers have long [TS]

01:20:57   sword combat training that this is a thing that they have like I think that's [TS]

01:21:03   what the movie is trying to establish as setting it up for the lightsaber scene [TS]

01:21:08   at the end low will call me dumb maybe I did need some exposition their way he [TS]

01:21:12   says boy that's or training I've had over cause I completely missed that I [TS]

01:21:17   mean I don't know if it's intentional but that's that's my guess about what [TS]

01:21:21   the movie is trying to tell you but it's just implausible I i dont members of the [TS]

01:21:26   UN's armed forces I would love to know that I'm pretty sure that they train you [TS]

01:21:29   with guns and I'm pretty sure that they would train you in hand-to-hand combat [TS]

01:21:34   don't imagine there's a lot of fencing training going on in the USSR me and it [TS]

01:21:39   would make no sense for storm troopers to have that kind of training but OK [TS]

01:21:42   even giving this ridiculous premise that they're doing long sword fights at [TS]

01:21:48   stormtrooper Academy why on earth can he hold his own against Kyllo ran in a [TS]

01:21:56   lightsaber fight for even a fraction of a second [TS]

01:22:00   well enough ink on Iran's engine is in it that's what we're supposed to take [TS]

01:22:03   the men they keep emphasizing their cause he keeps like touching his wounds [TS]

01:22:06   and things so [TS]

01:22:07   I think they're trying to somehow justify it by saying this guy's right [TS]

01:22:11   he's you know he's right down on power mode we know that that's what they're [TS]

01:22:14   trying to do and then they're overly emphasizing that he is injured because [TS]

01:22:18   she shot him [TS]

01:22:20   button loosen the key is still clearly force capable why is this fight even [TS]

01:22:25   occurring why doesn't he just choked to death [TS]

01:22:29   here's the way the scene in my mind has to go it has to be a bit like the [TS]

01:22:33   Emperor at the end of the original trilogy who is electrocuting Luke and [TS]

01:22:40   he's electrocuting Luke because they're showing you like the Emperor is really [TS]

01:22:45   cruel and he gets enjoyment out of being cruel accuse you know he's not he's not [TS]

01:22:49   actually trying to kill Luke and it's taking a long time because the Emperor [TS]

01:22:53   is really bad with his lightning hands and he's he's doing it intentionally [TS]

01:22:57   really and soda me this this scene in the end the only way this this scene can [TS]

01:23:03   play out is if Kyle 0 Ren is just intentionally being cruel to fit in but [TS]

01:23:09   they I was watching you really closely like they play it as though it is a real [TS]

01:23:14   fight as though finn has some chance of winning and fan even land a blow right [TS]

01:23:20   heel hands of blow on Carlo ran and and I'm sending now this is book like this [TS]

01:23:25   this storm trooper he would just get his ass handed to him no matter how wounded [TS]

01:23:32   Tyler Ennis like this should not be a fight and it irritates me because if you [TS]

01:23:36   like it diminishes other lightsaber fights and it diminishes raised [TS]

01:23:43   competence in using the lightsaber moments later any stormtrooper can just [TS]

01:23:48   pick up a lightsaber and hold off hold their own for a little while against a [TS]

01:23:53   very poor sense of individual no no you shouldn't even have Mughals using [TS]

01:23:57   exactly that's that's precisely what is the only person on solo trying to save [TS]

01:24:05   lives life on the outside with some amazing to see heads I'll even turn on a [TS]

01:24:11   light sabers icon he knows where the on button is exactly [TS]

01:24:14   exactly so that's if there's any if there's any genuine real I have a [TS]

01:24:19   problem with this movie [TS]

01:24:21   seen it is it is that light saber fight I just irritates me your teeth me a lot [TS]

01:24:26   again because ray and the actors and like that seen with the two of them [TS]

01:24:31   fighting is a great scene in the thing that's actually irritating about it is [TS]

01:24:36   that when you watch that fight Kyllo ran when he goes up against Ray she is on [TS]

01:24:41   the defensive for most of that fight but he is really pushing her back she is [TS]

01:24:46   running and she is barely holding her own for most of that you see that's not [TS]

01:24:51   my memory of my mind I mean you've seen it twice so you're right but my memory [TS]

01:24:55   of that whole us actually I was disappointed by how strong she was from [TS]

01:25:01   the start I actually found that implausible that someone who's only just [TS]

01:25:05   discovered her for sensitivity and has never even switched on a lifesaver [TS]

01:25:09   before I know she's gotta stick but it was so good luck I thought I thought [TS]

01:25:15   that was implausible the whole finding kinda passed me by Audrey pay attention [TS]

01:25:19   but I thought I thought the spanking she gave Carlo read was implausible I [TS]

01:25:26   thought she should just scraped by in that fight that I thought she was [TS]

01:25:29   dominant the way the fight plays out is that for the first half of it he is [TS]

01:25:33   pushing her back and she is running and she's she's running away from him he [TS]

01:25:37   corners her and the end he has little moment where he offers her training [TS]

01:25:42   course and pushes the lightsaber up against righties pushing the lightsaber [TS]

01:25:48   against her and then presumably she does a little like force meditation thing for [TS]

01:25:52   a moment and gathers upper strength and that's when she then pushes back against [TS]

01:25:56   him which I agree that it's not my favorite thing in a movie where [TS]

01:26:00   character he's suddenly much more competent but it's ok I will let this go [TS]

01:26:04   but but that's why when she first picked up that lightsaber she's being much more [TS]

01:26:07   like a normal person who would be using it as a shield to deflect from incoming [TS]

01:26:13   blues and trying to put distance between themselves and like this for as wielding [TS]

01:26:17   maniac with his lightsaber you know but it is all he's perfectly capable in a [TS]

01:26:22   fight so that's what I just didn't it didn't like that at all [TS]

01:26:26   tell you what i don't i don't mean to get all mushy but that's saying when the [TS]

01:26:33   lightsaber comes out of the snow towards bypasses him and goes into her head and [TS]

01:26:38   then a little bit of Star Wars music place that check that checked me out [TS]

01:26:41   there was great I was absolutely I was like i was thinkin that was like that [TS]

01:26:52   was that was the emotional part the film was not bad I love it was a very it was [TS]

01:27:00   a very Star Wars shot very very much a Star Wars feeling was one of your big [TS]

01:27:08   bullet points at you when we gonna do with some of the really big things here [TS]

01:27:12   that whether it's ok let's do with one of the biggest things about and that is [TS]

01:27:17   the really obvious obvious way in which the force awakens and has incredible [TS]

01:27:27   coincidence as with the first yeah I mean you've got you've got the desert [TS]

01:27:34   the desert orphan a lonely person finding the Droid has the secret map and [TS]

01:27:39   plans and then you've got that person meeting up with him so low and she [TS]

01:27:42   backer and having some adventures and then you've got the big siege on the on [TS]

01:27:48   the big spherical planet destroy at the end I mean it was the movie should be [TS]

01:27:53   called Star Wars a new hope to yeah it was it was almost like a reboot in some [TS]

01:28:00   ways I know their differences and I know it took some stuff from attended the [TS]

01:28:03   Jedi and new hope in kind of match them together but it was almost because it [TS]

01:28:09   was like and I'm not saying this is a bad thing maybe this is a good thing but [TS]

01:28:13   it's almost like there's only one story to be told [TS]

01:28:16   like Robin Hood that's that's how many ways can you tell the Robin Hood story [TS]

01:28:19   is that is that what is that what we like about it is this is this is this is [TS]

01:28:24   a remake rather than a sequel it's an interesting question because the movie [TS]

01:28:29   is remarkably close to a route that reboot or remake [TS]

01:28:36   I was gonna say almost embarrassingly so but I don't mean it in a way that the [TS]

01:28:40   film and it's not embarrassing but almost like it's like a big elephant in [TS]

01:28:43   the room it's like it's like you want to turn to the person next to say he saying [TS]

01:28:48   this are you noticing history because this is exactly what happens and it's [TS]

01:28:53   just different people acting up yeah it's always different people have [TS]

01:28:57   different have some of the same people there admiral a car how are you doing I [TS]

01:29:04   guess your fish species lives a remarkably long time ok there's a bunch [TS]

01:29:09   of that which is is it's so it's so similar it's it's quite remarkable it's [TS]

01:29:17   quite remarkable the force moves in mysterious ways maybe it's so what do [TS]

01:29:21   you think do you think that's ok well obviously I do cause I liked the film [TS]

01:29:24   it's kind of an original but maybe I just don't mind that I mean I could [TS]

01:29:28   watch I could watch ten different robin hood movies you know I love you know out [TS]

01:29:34   classic tales around classic tales and send Star Wars original trilogy has [TS]

01:29:39   become an old classic timeless become a myth and we love watching a miscarry [TS]

01:29:44   versions time and time again and maybe that's maybe that's what's happening [TS]

01:29:47   before our eyes here it's sort of a revision of the myth with a few of the [TS]

01:29:52   things that's weird is it so obviously connects with the original as well you [TS]

01:29:55   know they talk they reference the original films obviously you know what [TS]

01:29:58   happened back in the day so [TS]

01:29:58   happened back in the day so [TS]

01:30:00   that's that's where that line becomes very blurred but it's kind of like did [TS]

01:30:05   you not have a new story like did you just could not think of a new story did [TS]

01:30:09   you deliberately use the old story aid are you doing it because you think that [TS]

01:30:14   would tap into a nostalgia are you doing it because you think this is maybe the [TS]

01:30:19   way the force works and there's this kind of poetry it runs things going on I [TS]

01:30:25   mean I don't I don't know I don't know if that's your little reference there is [TS]

01:30:29   precisely what I was thinking through watching the whole movie the first time [TS]

01:30:33   is in the red letter media reviews of the prequel movies they have a couple of [TS]

01:30:38   shots of George Lucas behind the scenes saying this line about how he wants the [TS]

01:30:42   prequels to be like poetry and to rhyme with the original trilogy that he thinks [TS]

01:30:49   it's okay for similar things to happen because this is his idea of storytelling [TS]

01:30:54   and red letter media really just slams him on this just again and again because [TS]

01:31:00   it's just terrible those movies absolutely terrible and so I was [TS]

01:31:04   watching watching this movie and thinking I kept hearing Lucas in my head [TS]

01:31:08   going it's like poetry it runs this time I am ok with his father isn't it [TS]

01:31:14   bothered me a little bit on the first watching but today when I want you to [TS]

01:31:19   second time which now means I mean how many times have I seen a story where a [TS]

01:31:23   gigantic planet rowing machine blows up in my life [TS]

01:31:25   many many times and on the second watch through it it bothered me much much less [TS]

01:31:31   I couldn't even really think about how this is exactly like a new hope again [TS]

01:31:34   and it's just a thing again goes to the the lesson high competence makes all the [TS]

01:31:41   difference does it really matter what the story is any story can be [TS]

01:31:45   interesting if competently executed and a great story can be terrible if poorly [TS]

01:31:52   executed now what I wonder though is why I think this has to have been a [TS]

01:31:57   deliberate decision that they were going to essentially redo a new hope that cut [TS]

01:32:04   not have noticed but i think is this is probably [TS]

01:32:10   probably a good decision if you know you have competent people on board because I [TS]

01:32:16   mean we now have Disney owns the intellectual property to start wars and [TS]

01:32:22   so we know that there will be no shortage of Star Wars films in the [TS]

01:32:27   future [TS]

01:32:27   Disney has made remarks about this damn plans to do big movies and small movies [TS]

01:32:31   very much like the way the Marvel universe is unfolding in in movies and [TS]

01:32:35   TV shows now so there's going to be a lot more Star Wars and I think it's it's [TS]

01:32:41   fine for this one to be a kind of remake of the older movies establishing that [TS]

01:32:52   Star Wars feeling like yes people like that are more inclined to like this [TS]

01:32:56   movie because its matching up with things that we know you already like its [TS]

01:33:00   fine as long as from here on the feel that they can do more different things [TS]

01:33:09   so if the next movie starts out on an ice planet and someone gets frozen in [TS]

01:33:15   carbonite halfway through then I'll be concerned then I'll be like ok I see [TS]

01:33:21   where this is going and I like it a lot less but but my feeling on this is [TS]

01:33:24   you've established this Star Wars II feeling with a new characters with new [TS]

01:33:30   characters and you cast a new world and it's going on and we're going to [TS]

01:33:34   continue from here [TS]

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01:33:54   probably a science-fiction fan and so I actually have a science-fiction audio [TS]

01:33:59   book recommendations day I mentioned before I don't read a lot of fiction but [TS]

01:34:03   I recently just finished a series of books called virga series by Karl [TS]

01:34:09   Schroeder the first book is called son of son's it's perhaps one of the most [TS]

01:34:14   imaginative settings I'll come across yet for a science fiction book this is [TS]

01:34:19   going to sound a bit weird to describe it but it totally works the book takes [TS]

01:34:23   place inside of a closed sphere decoding in outer space that is filled with air [TS]

01:34:31   and there are new planets on the inside so humans in order to live inside this [TS]

01:34:36   gigantic solar system [TS]

01:34:39   sized fear they have to build what they call town wheels basically big cylinders [TS]

01:34:46   that rotates to give them [TS]

01:34:47   artificial gravity and for reasons that the book gets into later on it seems [TS]

01:34:52   like technological progress is limited [TS]

01:34:55   inside this gigantic fear it's just such a weird setting and I liked it as a [TS]

01:35:01   science fiction book because it constantly deals with the setting like [TS]

01:35:04   the very fact that people are living in this big open air solar system has a lot [TS]

01:35:09   of interesting consequences I don't want to say too much that is a spoiler but so [TS]

01:35:14   if you want to just quickly jump ahead at 10 seconds I will say one thing to [TS]

01:35:17   try to sell the book which is that it is a very interesting take on post [TS]

01:35:23   singularity fiction and I get to see much more than that the book doesn't [TS]

01:35:27   really dwell on the singularity but it does sort of incidentally make reference [TS]

01:35:32   to the fact that this is posting hilarity fiction and it's a very [TS]

01:35:34   interesting take on it again there are five books of the first one is called [TS]

01:35:39   son of son's the series is called virga and the author is Karl Schroeder and you [TS]

01:35:45   can give it a free lesson with audibles 30 day free trial [TS]

01:35:49   when you sign up at audible.com / hello internet if you want to listen to it [TS]

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01:36:02   another big picture thing to hear because you know a lot of people who [TS]

01:36:08   don't like the prequels myself included always say they use of you know robbed [TS]

01:36:13   me of the glory of these films that I loved when I was a child I think in some [TS]

01:36:18   ways this film has robbed me of even more interesting because the final say [TS]

01:36:26   in return of the Jedi is a very pleased burned into the memory of any young [TS]

01:36:30   person isn't that there around the fire there happy the empire is vanquished [TS]

01:36:36   you're full of hope and your imagination can run wild of Luke Skywalker becoming [TS]

01:36:43   this great Jedi and happily ever after and had a layer of finally together [TS]

01:36:46   forever like we always wanted them to pay and everything [TS]

01:36:50   everything's gonna be good and now we know that that's not what happened later [TS]

01:36:57   became estranged hand was due to die this terrible death some point in the [TS]

01:37:01   future in these terrible terrible circumstances we know that Luke went off [TS]

01:37:06   the rails and became this crazy unhappy so it's like all of that niceness I have [TS]

01:37:12   at the end of the chain of the Jedi where I can stream of dream about what [TS]

01:37:16   happened next and come away with this warm feeling is gone now like now [TS]

01:37:19   whenever I watch that final scene Return of the Jedi [TS]

01:37:22   look at them around the fire and go if you guys know what's coming next you [TS]

01:37:25   would look so happy that is such a brady way to look at the end of a movie just [TS]

01:37:32   sitting there thinking everything's going to be great from now on when I [TS]

01:37:36   watch when I watch the end of July I I feel I can feel happy for them having [TS]

01:37:41   won this battle but I always had the feeling of cicada what what happens next [TS]

01:37:46   and what I don't expect to happen next is just a party on Endor for all of high [TS]

01:37:52   but that's not what course of course but that's not what we return of the Jedi is [TS]

01:37:56   Return of the Jedi isn't supposed to be another yet another battle one it's the [TS]

01:38:02   end of the war the first two films are a series of battles they they win a battle [TS]

01:38:08   they lose a battle they weren't about to lose about you and then at the very end [TS]

01:38:11   they win the war and that is what is so beautiful everything [TS]

01:38:15   everything has you know that's what's so warm about the end of this series but [TS]

01:38:20   now we learned no they didn't it was just another battle another bloody star [TS]

01:38:25   planet blowing up things gets bill yet again they've got a jump in their ex [TS]

01:38:30   wings and shooting in its magic belly button where you can blow it up is this [TS]

01:38:37   just gonna happen for all of eternity blow-up blah podesta build another one [TS]

01:38:42   block and esta build another one to borrow a phrase from other franchise all [TS]

01:38:47   of this has happened before and all of this will happen again that that that is [TS]

01:38:51   a little bit that feeling but that's also why as we mentioned before I [TS]

01:38:55   actually do find the absence of the macro it's a bit of a problem for this [TS]

01:39:01   movie because it does feel like what happened after that that ending in Jedi [TS]

01:39:08   in now what government is going on I really do think that that is a bit of a [TS]

01:39:14   missing connecting piece and I am I am fine and expect the notion that there is [TS]

01:39:19   continued adversity in the future but there is there is a disconnect between [TS]

01:39:25   what happened then and and what happened now why is laying in this resistance as [TS]

01:39:32   opposed to the other government that that for me is the problem I can [TS]

01:39:37   understand what you're saying that you feel like you have been robbed of the [TS]

01:39:43   happy ending from the from the end of the movie but I i don't i don't [TS]

01:39:47   necessarily have to have that same feeling I don't get me wrong I can and I [TS]

01:39:54   would rather have the force awakens than nothing because you know we straying [TS]

01:40:02   into Godfather three territory here do you know I've never seen any of the [TS]

01:40:06   godfather [TS]

01:40:07   ok let's do that another time cuz I'd love cause I didn't watch The Godfather [TS]

01:40:13   movies for a very long time and then when I finally did I was like oh my god [TS]

01:40:16   what did I do this years ago so maybe that's a maybe that's an assignment for [TS]

01:40:21   another day but that the future show would do that the night we do a chick [TS]

01:40:25   flick slumber parish [TS]

01:40:26   anyway so I mean you know the Godfather three famously is this third movie that [TS]

01:40:33   a lot of people which wasn't mad cause the first two are so perfect and yes [TS]

01:40:37   even I have ever seen the Godfather movies I know that this is the [TS]

01:40:40   reputation of God yeah but you know I think he's still a really good film and [TS]

01:40:45   kind of [TS]

01:40:46   would I rather have a third film just say there's another one I can wash or [TS]

01:40:50   would I prefer they never touched this sacred cow of the first two films and [TS]

01:40:55   maybe that's the case here but I think after the prequels are made for [TS]

01:40:59   selection was almost needed to sort of to save face to cleanse the womb but [TS]

01:41:06   would it be better [TS]

01:41:07   would it be better if we could go back in time that we just had those first [TS]

01:41:10   three Star Wars films made and nothing else no prequels not even all the other [TS]

01:41:15   ancillary stuff would have been nice untouched little nostalgic perfect thing [TS]

01:41:21   and the more interesting question if you ask yes would you rather have the [TS]

01:41:26   original three and nothing else I mean obviously if you could erase the [TS]

01:41:32   prequels from existing you would but is the prequels [TS]

01:41:36   paying the price of the prequels is that worth it to get what is coming in the [TS]

01:41:40   future [TS]

01:41:41   well that that depends on what the rest of the movies look like yeah I'm an idea [TS]

01:41:44   I guess I guess we can only sit and watch those first three films so many [TS]

01:41:47   times but with many many times over the course of life [TS]

01:41:52   can I say what do you think of the name stop killer for that thing is that what [TS]

01:41:57   they actually called it's called stock color isn't there to use it once and I [TS]

01:42:03   think they deliberately use it once they realize I mean Luke Skywalker was [TS]

01:42:06   originally gonna be cold Luke stocker wasn't he in the first script so I think [TS]

01:42:10   it's also nice to be a little not too late maybe but but I think it's [TS]

01:42:15   beautiful I'm now and I do have problems with that weapon I don't have problems [TS]

01:42:19   with the big bad weapon that name is literally a description of what the [TS]

01:42:23   weapon does since it sucks up a son and shoot out other planets I know times [TS]

01:42:28   change and I know this is thirty years later but there have been some [TS]

01:42:32   incredible advances in technology that we were made privy to the original star [TS]

01:42:37   was if they can now if they can first convert a planet into a weapon and then [TS]

01:42:43   a weapon that's capable of setting up a start shooting at I mean this is [TS]

01:42:47   sounding a lot more Star Trek and Star Wars yeah that's a good that's a good [TS]

01:42:50   point there's something about that weapon that is very Star Trek ceiling [TS]

01:42:53   and it it it don't have the resources in the technology does be like in the next [TS]

01:42:58   movie is is this scrappy scrappy first order going to be building Dyson Sphere [TS]

01:43:04   yeah yeah I use his perpetual motion lights it was implausible weapon as this [TS]

01:43:14   upping the ante and and they do have that one shot which is the literal the [TS]

01:43:19   literal upping the ante when the doing the debriefing I mean there's this move [TS]

01:43:22   that movies do which is always remarkably effective but I'm still is [TS]

01:43:26   aware when they do where you have the characters call out something that's [TS]

01:43:30   happening in the movie to make it less implausible and somehow when the [TS]

01:43:34   characters acknowledged it you just much more willing to let it go [TS]

01:43:37   someone like always another death star and they go oh no look the Death Star [TS]

01:43:42   was this big London double-decker buses on top of each other to [TS]

01:43:50   infographic moment and and the most the most calling out of luck we know exactly [TS]

01:43:57   what we're doing is when Han Solo has to say is there a way to blow it up there's [TS]

01:44:02   always a way to blow it up [TS]

01:44:03   and it does it does like a city does kinda work in movies when they do that [TS]

01:44:08   but it is also an acknowledgement of like we know exactly what we're doing [TS]

01:44:11   that we have to tell you that the Death Star it's it's a bigger and I wonder if [TS]

01:44:17   there's a way to blow it up there always is that the other night the other great [TS]

01:44:21   line that has that kind of steps out of the movie for a second and winks the [TS]

01:44:25   movie but was so good was when vince says he was going to do something to get [TS]

01:44:29   it used the force and head so that's not have the force works that was a good [TS]

01:44:38   yeah that works really well it worked really well give you the first there is [TS]

01:44:48   no one knows what the forces but it definitely doesn't work like that so you [TS]

01:44:54   didn't know Han Solo was going to die I did not see at what point did you [TS]

01:44:59   realize it was about to happen and how did you feel when I happen cause I [TS]

01:45:02   missed out this gas moment ok well here's the problem even though I wasn't [TS]

01:45:07   spoiled there are things that happen in movies that Telegraph so clearly what is [TS]

01:45:12   going to happen [TS]

01:45:12   yeah I mean that clearly had that and when they're there this is again is one [TS]

01:45:18   of these cases of exposition irritating the crap outta me and exposition kind of [TS]

01:45:23   ruining something that's coming up which is when we are talking about planting [TS]

01:45:28   all the detonators and you know the place they have to blow up so the whole [TS]

01:45:32   thing blows up the place of no guardrails yeah they are going to paint [TS]

01:45:37   these detonators and his two things that immediately happens which is one con [TS]

01:45:41   suggest a plan she makes a sound and Han says oh that's much better I'll go down [TS]

01:45:46   there you go up there is little warning sign number one in your brain that [TS]

01:45:51   they're drawing attention to things might have gone a different way but [TS]

01:45:55   they're not going to be there's no reason for that to happen in scraps [TS]

01:45:58   but the real thing which is just ok is that high and then has to say too chewy [TS]

01:46:05   here you take the detonator and it just bothers me because we've already [TS]

01:46:10   established earlier in the movie on so literally says my friend has a bag full [TS]

01:46:15   of explosives why don't we [TS]

01:46:16   that I would presume that she has the detonator but as soon as you're drawing [TS]

01:46:20   attention to someone having the detonator at that moment was like ok so [TS]

01:46:26   there was going to die within the next three minutes you just know it's going [TS]

01:46:30   to happen you just know what's going to happen and then when Finn enraged [TS]

01:46:34   arrived at the convenient point at the viewing window to watch everything [TS]

01:46:37   unfolded at New Hope mirror you know where everyone arrives at the one place [TS]

01:46:41   just in time to watch out here I get lightsaber exactly so I don't I don't [TS]

01:46:47   mind if in and rain arriving at the balcony viewing and I don't mind the [TS]

01:46:53   dramatic no guardrails ladder empty space like man they have the worst [TS]

01:47:01   health and safety standards at all these Empire basis I don't mind that because [TS]

01:47:06   it's it's setting things up its fine but the little line about the detonator just [TS]

01:47:10   irritates me more because is there anybody in the world who would have been [TS]

01:47:14   super confused when she ran out and took out a little thing and press the button [TS]

01:47:20   and it exploded [TS]

01:47:21   is there anybody who would have gone how did he make that explain where did the [TS]

01:47:26   10 metre come from Nike has the bags full of explosives I presume the [TS]

01:47:31   detonator is in there why movie do you have to draw attention to this in such a [TS]

01:47:35   way that so clearly Telegraph's what's coming up on the figures could have been [TS]

01:47:40   on a time as well for goodness sake no one cares [TS]

01:47:43   blows up yeah it doesn't matter that that's another way of doing it just have [TS]

01:47:47   it be on a timer [TS]

01:47:48   side note here I absolutely love that they use the same little sound effect [TS]

01:47:52   for the bombs that was in the original movies like there was a lot of little [TS]

01:47:55   details with the sound work on this movie that I just loved and there was [TS]

01:47:58   some bombs in the original trilogy is in the clearly went back and got the exact [TS]

01:48:02   same sound effect use for these bombs of the little charging up or you know when [TS]

01:48:05   they press the button to get it ready so I did you know someone cared making this [TS]

01:48:09   movie I like that then for goodness sake great can I just take issue with one [TS]

01:48:12   would you keep using then and I know you're using it correctly and I'm [TS]

01:48:15   probably not you keep talking about competent and competence [TS]

01:48:19   I think if you say someone had a competent job you're saying they did [TS]

01:48:22   enough I think the people that made this film will be on competent I think they [TS]

01:48:27   were very good at making films yeah yeah yeah the reason I keep using competence [TS]

01:48:31   is because I'm really comparing it with someone who was quite incompetent that's [TS]

01:48:37   that's why I'm phrase I'm not saying that they hit only competence you know [TS]

01:48:41   they they weren't complicate the competence is if you have to fill up a [TS]

01:48:46   glass to get to excellent right they did a great job and then by definition the [TS]

01:48:51   glass has to be filled up to at least competence [TS]

01:48:53   else didn't didn't hit that mark the guy that invented all the meadow possible [TS]

01:48:58   basically yeah exactly so even knowing it's clearly Telegraph's Han Solo is [TS]

01:49:06   going today and also I mean you can if you know anything about the background [TS]

01:49:11   Star Wars you know that Harrison Ford is kind of a grumpy guy who was weirdly [TS]

01:49:17   accidentally a famous actor and seems really grumpy about the whole thing and [TS]

01:49:22   who also had some arguments with George Lucas about whether or not Han Solo [TS]

01:49:26   should die in Return of the Jedi that he was very strong on the opinion that Han [TS]

01:49:31   Solo should die at the end of that movie so it it feels like Harrison Ford [TS]

01:49:37   definitely once to test out in a dramatic way if you possibly can lead it [TS]

01:49:41   was his previous goals so it's not surprising that he dies in this movie at [TS]

01:49:46   that scene was really well done and another emotional point I thought there [TS]

01:49:52   was a real little of real little gut punch is when he calls out then to get [TS]

01:49:58   his son's attention that is exactly the kind of thing that might seem like an [TS]

01:50:04   inconsequential spoiler if you knew it ahead of time but in the context of that [TS]

01:50:09   seemed to me that is actually the important review of this is like ok I [TS]

01:50:15   know hun solo is going to die here but that that extra kick in the gut of they [TS]

01:50:21   named their son Ben that that ads like this emotional emotional piece to do [TS]

01:50:27   that seems I thought that was that was a really nice way of adding something to [TS]

01:50:33   that then seeing that you know is going to play out in a certain way [TS]

01:50:36   how did you how did you feel about that scene yeah I had a much bigger part in [TS]

01:50:41   the film than I ever expected [TS]

01:50:42   yeah me too I was very surprised at that yeah they they certainly got their their [TS]

01:50:46   pound of flesh out of him before they they did away with him you know [TS]

01:50:51   obviously the opposite of luke hasn't hasn't earned his wages yellow thing I [TS]

01:50:56   was actually wondering because in in the unions in hollywood unions the teaching [TS]

01:51:00   very differently if you're someone who has spoken line of dialogue if you're [TS]

01:51:04   not or if you're not I was kind of wondering about that about Mark Hamill [TS]

01:51:07   ago he doesn't say a single word I wanted to get people it's because I'm [TS]

01:51:12   hoping he'll have something to do in the next film but yeah I was was a ride with [TS]

01:51:17   him tying I kind of I'm not I say why we've got the old actors back and I hope [TS]

01:51:22   they do something also with Luke Skywalker but I have to say the return [TS]

01:51:27   of all these out characters has left me a bit colder than I thought it would [TS]

01:51:31   come and say 3 p.m. I think I could have done without him all he did was annoying [TS]

01:51:41   me and get him out of there you know and I've got this radar now set to sell more [TS]

01:51:47   toys I can only assume that new toys but but it's funny you mention that because [TS]

01:51:53   the C three be 0 appearance with wen Han and Leia meet again for the first time [TS]

01:52:01   presumably after years of estrangement and then C three be 0 pops into camera I [TS]

01:52:05   have to admit that kinda helluva laugh at me because I expected and I did not [TS]

01:52:10   know that c3po was in the movie like I had no idea just as a light note here I [TS]

01:52:18   went to the theater without ever having even seen the poster for the movie which [TS]

01:52:21   I was really glad because the poster actually gives away and so for me [TS]

01:52:26   watching it knowing nothing like the CCPO showing up was quite a surprise and [TS]

01:52:30   could not have been done in a better way I can just thought it fit just perfectly [TS]

01:52:34   with his character is famous for stopping them kissing isn't even things [TS]

01:52:39   like that I I like that it just worked out I kind of like the Red Army this [TS]

01:52:44   this notion that [TS]

01:52:45   he is both really vein and also doesn't understand the way humans perceive him [TS]

01:52:50   that he thinks he looks completely different with this with this red arm [TS]

01:52:53   but I also agree that there there was a little bit of a feeling for me was 33 P [TS]

01:52:59   O and r2d2 of do we need to we do we need these characters back I'm not a [TS]

01:53:09   hundred percent sure that we really we really do I'm sort of thinking on the [TS]

01:53:14   fly here but it might be a mock wrap up here I'd maybe the problem I had with C [TS]

01:53:20   three period being in this field is he is now tired by the prequels so he's [TS]

01:53:26   parties part of those so bringing him into this is a bit like unless he does [TS]

01:53:31   so many stupid things in those prequels like so many scenes that we won't even [TS]

01:53:34   talk about that it's a bit like Jar Jar Binks appearing it's a bit like having [TS]

01:53:42   memories of you know wrong heads on robots and bad puns and I'm thinking [TS]

01:53:47   about you know you're giving me flashbacks and not to the good films are [TS]

01:53:53   giving me flashbacks to the bad films so maybe it's that I feel like I feel like [TS]

01:53:58   it added it added little and you know and he's not like important he's not [TS]

01:54:04   important like so low and Luke Skywalker you let your your musical legends is [TS]

01:54:09   Luke Skywalker it's not like it's not like people thirty years later going oh [TS]

01:54:13   my goodness it's the amazing see 3 p.m. who'd helped with some translation so [TS]

01:54:18   yeah yeah I I see what you mean I do I get why is there not a big deal but it's [TS]

01:54:28   not a big deal because he's he's not a big character but I did have this little [TS]

01:54:32   bit of a feeling when it's actually are DDT was a really problematic character [TS]

01:54:38   in this movie but did feel when r2d2 wakes up and he has the rest of the map [TS]

01:54:42   for some reason it's it's a bit weird the dialog that happens there is that ok [TS]

01:54:46   r2d2 has the rest the map along with this but it is that there is a feeling [TS]

01:54:51   like ok we have three drugs now 100% sure [TS]

01:54:56   and and this feeling of I like you was surprised how much of a role on and lay [TS]

01:55:03   ahead in this movie because my presumption was they were going to have [TS]

01:55:08   a relatively minimal role and be handing over Star Wars to this next generation [TS]

01:55:15   of characters and I never really thought about CBO and r2d2 was being in the in [TS]

01:55:21   the subsequent movies and it looks like he's going to play some role in the [TS]

01:55:25   future of movie and obviously Luke is going to play some role in the future [TS]

01:55:28   movie and it begins to feel a bit like an ensemble cast of ok we have Leia and [TS]

01:55:33   we have Luke and we have r2d2 and we have seen 3 p.m. he feels a little bit [TS]

01:55:38   crowded like this I want more space for new characters like let's let's do new [TS]

01:55:43   things and I understand like BBA is very much and r2d2 new generation thing but [TS]

01:55:49   it's maybe that's why there's this feeling of how do we need our duty to [TS]

01:55:53   end BB 8900 you know I agree I mean I'm not too worried about the i mean [TS]

01:56:00   obviously look is gonna be this sage Ben Kenobi so I'm happy with him continuing [TS]

01:56:05   through the ages and Hensarling it basically does his hand over in this [TS]

01:56:10   film doesn't and I can imagine life is gonna probably be maybe just be some [TS]

01:56:13   non-action bureaucratic you know muscle type character who's just you know it's [TS]

01:56:20   a basin gives lectures so I don't think she's going to be a plug stuff up and [TS]

01:56:24   things like that so I'm not too worried with the integration of the humans but I [TS]

01:56:29   just feel like a safe appear just gets on my nerves now it's it's totally okay [TS]

01:56:36   because perhaps my favorite line of the movie not because of because of its [TS]

01:56:42   delivery not because of how entertaining it is not because of anything that the [TS]

01:56:46   line actually conveys except what it the director is expressed explicitly telling [TS]

01:56:52   you is when the new general and Kyler and are having this little argument over [TS]

01:56:57   the storm troopers and [TS]

01:57:00   and ran says maybe we should be using clone troopers instead of these these [TS]

01:57:08   regular army guys and the general is irritated he says oh no my my soldiers [TS]

01:57:13   are supremely well trained and we don't need a clone army to me that line is [TS]

01:57:19   like jay jay abrams looking directly at the audience and saying you know all [TS]

01:57:23   that stuff with the prequels forget it doesn't exist in this universe we don't [TS]

01:57:28   have clone troopers like none of that really really connects as I would be [TS]

01:57:32   shocked if anything to jeopardize has a real connection to anything that happens [TS]

01:57:37   in the prequels to feel like like that line really just closes the door and on [TS]

01:57:42   one side of of that door there's the original trilogy is and there's jeje [TS]

01:57:46   Abrams movie and on the other side of the door [TS]

01:57:49   out in the cold or the prequels and this movie is making that really official I [TS]

01:57:55   just love that they took their time dad and his line which makes no sense to [TS]

01:57:59   almost anybody who isn't a pretty big star Wars fan but they took the time to [TS]

01:58:04   have this little disagreement be like yeah there's no clone troopers you know [TS]

01:58:06   the whole thing that the prequels were about that they focused around yet we're [TS]

01:58:11   just doing all of that I mean I read that line differently in a few different [TS]

01:58:16   ways that I say that meeting as well how did you read originally though [TS]

01:58:20   well obviously thought it was being used to show there's an antagonism between [TS]

01:58:25   the two characters cause it's one of the first times we say that they are on the [TS]

01:58:29   same page as general as a general I think his name is not on the same page I [TS]

01:58:36   can also see it serving the purpose cause obviously those pic was credits so [TS]

01:58:39   much confusion as to the status of Stormtroopers phones are other humans so [TS]

01:58:44   I think the point was to say whatever you thought about the middle trilogy [TS]

01:58:49   about the status of Stormtroopers are they still closed have been humanize [TS]

01:58:52   whatever you thought this is what they are now the humans said don't be [TS]

01:58:56   confused about why Finn is a stormtrooper it doesn't look just like [TS]

01:59:00   the boba Fett [TS]

01:59:02   everything's alright relax I doesn't have a New Zealand accent you know he's [TS]

01:59:07   fine I thought it was more conscious dealing with a few possible points of [TS]

01:59:11   confusion and also I thought they setting up something for the future they [TS]

01:59:15   setting up something about clowns coming later but in hindsight I think there I [TS]

01:59:20   would I would be shocked if they ever bring the clothes back that's that's [TS]

01:59:25   running outline is delivering but I also agree that began as a minor point I [TS]

01:59:32   think it's really well done to show that the general and Kyler and are they are [TS]

01:59:38   on the same sort of level again it's it's it's very new hopi in that Darth [TS]

01:59:46   Darth Vader in that is part of this whole establishments but he's in charge [TS]

01:59:52   of it he's just another guy is working with the Emperor and I like this this [TS]

01:59:57   movie does the same kind of thing was like I love when you get this feeling [TS]

02:00:00   that he is working alongside the military but is partially out side of it [TS]

02:00:06   but neither of the two of them have direct command over the others like they [TS]

02:00:10   are each in charge of a different thing each working for forgot his name with [TS]

02:00:15   the new major said Lord [TS]

02:00:18   The Wizard of Oz something like that I S [TS]

02:00:25   speaking of this general Hawks I thought that was unless something's gonna change [TS]

02:00:32   which probably will I thought that was a bad piece of casting I like that actor I [TS]

02:00:38   like jim DeMint other stuff I thought he was the wrong man for the road and maybe [TS]

02:00:43   the bros gonna change and you become he's gonna grow into NBC to tonight but [TS]

02:00:47   at the moment I felt like he looks more like the work experience kid than the [TS]

02:00:51   person who would be in charge of all do you think you look too young I think it [TS]

02:00:55   looks too young and he just doesn't have an authority about him that like you [TS]

02:00:59   know grandmas and people that had he has been hard to beat that guy was awesome [TS]

02:01:06   yeah there's peter cushing but I think this guy doesn't doesn't have thought [TS]

02:01:13   and Dom Dom whole Gleason I think it might be I'm sure is is the actor and I [TS]

02:01:18   think [TS]

02:01:19   I didn't get up I like him as an actor when I heard he was in the film I saw [TS]

02:01:23   great he's co-director I'm sure he'll be really good but the road just seemed [TS]

02:01:27   incongruous to me that he had there and I thought that was my thought that was [TS]

02:01:31   amiss but maybe he's gonna something's gonna happen to him later his character [TS]

02:01:35   will go on a different journey that be more suited to the actors skill set but [TS]

02:01:40   at the moment I think they should have had someone with a bit more authority [TS]

02:01:44   inexperienced about ya see from me I think he worked I was worried when he [TS]

02:01:49   showed up because I have I have seen him mostly in an episode of black mirror of [TS]

02:01:55   course and I have seen him as the male lead in a couple of chick flicks and [TS]

02:02:01   he's a striking looking person you know it's him right away and but in all of [TS]

02:02:07   his roles I have found him to be a very good actor but when he did show up in [TS]

02:02:11   this movie my feeling was oh it's like i I was eventually sold on him in this [TS]

02:02:17   role as this character and the feeling that I have is that ok yes he's a little [TS]

02:02:22   young but maybe he is just extremely competent at what he is doing and when [TS]

02:02:29   he does his big speech to the to the soldiers which was a little weird say if [TS]

02:02:35   you ask me but when he does that he said was a bit independence and he supposed [TS]

02:02:39   to be given that stirring stirring speech that this sort of big moment to [TS]

02:02:43   kick off this finale just into didn't do anything for me I'm like I'm not feeling [TS]

02:02:50   that you don't have you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't come on me you [TS]

02:02:54   don't have the charisma for that you know didn't work but maybe maybe I was [TS]

02:02:59   having a sip of my coke at the time and not paying enough attention this is the [TS]

02:03:03   thing without ever everybody reacts differently to different characters that [TS]

02:03:07   I think I think he was fine until I was wearing when he showed up I think he did [TS]

02:03:10   ok where r is again as we've said many times the beginning please rate the [TS]

02:03:17   nominal job and I don't think Finn was the [TS]

02:03:21   know we had some clunky lines and the other character who like the pilot guy [TS]

02:03:27   we're super sold on him and this is something about this but I was [TS]

02:03:35   disappointed when the pilot showed back up later in the movie I think that he [TS]

02:03:40   should have died in the TIE fighter crash at the beginning I think that is a [TS]

02:03:45   much stronger start to the movie that you have this character they've built [TS]

02:03:52   him up to be a kind of smart ass kind of guy they've given him a little bit of [TS]

02:03:55   characterization and then he dies [TS]

02:03:59   passing on this mission to fit in and to bring him back later just feels it just [TS]

02:04:06   feels cheap and I don't think he was struck me some amazing actor I wasn't so [TS]

02:04:11   great this guy is is back I wasn't really in love with his character and so [TS]

02:04:15   I was I was disappointed at the scene where you're supposed to be like oh boy [TS]

02:04:19   that amazing pilot is back [TS]

02:04:21   ok I'm not entirely convinced his parentage won't be of some interest in [TS]

02:04:28   the subsequent films the pilots parentage [TS]

02:04:32   everybody's parentage is in question in the Star Wars yeah that's why I think I [TS]

02:04:37   think he you know he says they keep emphasizing the heat abnormally good [TS]

02:04:42   pilot and there are only two people I know who are really good powerless in [TS]

02:04:46   the Star Wars universe yea and they're both pretty important characters so I [TS]

02:04:52   dunno I think I think you know you're right it would have been it would've [TS]

02:04:54   been cool if it does really quickly but I don't think I think we might have had [TS]

02:05:02   a little girl action on the side there could be a few things that could they [TS]

02:05:07   and so yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure where he's going because he's like he [TS]

02:05:13   seems to be amake ekta for the film and yet he didn't really do much in this [TS]

02:05:16   film yeah he's obviously one of the three characters that are going to be [TS]

02:05:22   going on for the rest of the movies and he is one of those three and then my [TS]

02:05:25   feelings [TS]

02:05:26   and he hasn't he hasn't earned his place in that three so that makes me think [TS]

02:05:30   there's something more to him yet he hasn't earned his place and and also the [TS]

02:05:34   guy please finish up a few of his line deliveries were just not super great he [TS]

02:05:39   just the sounds really stupid BC quite short guy much of it doesn't seem to [TS]

02:05:45   have much of a presence that when he first came walking down the ramp up when [TS]

02:05:50   you go to be shipping he appeared and that when he can I was a bit like he's [TS]

02:05:55   sort of Lex Lex he lacks the physical presence of his kind of cop sureness [TS]

02:06:00   yeah the thing that's kind of reminded me is in Star Trek Voyager in the first [TS]

02:06:09   couple of episodes they try very hard to establish that their pilots is a similar [TS]

02:06:16   kind of thing that their pilot is an amazing pilots and he's this rebel guy [TS]

02:06:20   and they pulled him out of a prison due to have him do this special mission for [TS]

02:06:24   Star Trek Voyager and all of the characters are constantly talking about [TS]

02:06:29   how he is just like this badass pilots and the actor it just does not have that [TS]

02:06:36   characteristic he looks like he should be wearing a white sweater tied around [TS]

02:06:41   his neck and a pink color church just he just looks like a really crappy [TS]

02:06:47   upper-middle-class kind of guy yeah and and no matter how much you have [TS]

02:06:52   characters trying to tell me the Tampere is like some badass imprisoned was an [TS]

02:06:57   amazing pilot he just isn't and I totally agree with you that this this [TS]

02:07:01   pilot character whose name I don't even know this is kinda wanted to die in the [TS]

02:07:08   beginning is it that he does not he doesn't have that kind of on-screen [TS]

02:07:13   presence I talks the talk and I think he's kinda like his face in his hands [TS]

02:07:17   unlikely swagger but he just seems like a small it just seems like there's not [TS]

02:07:21   much of him he said I could be wrong I mean I agree about Tom Paris is always [TS]

02:07:26   supposed to be this action hero [TS]

02:07:27   and he always looks like a new look to be unseated in a but exactly but I don't [TS]

02:07:33   think I don't think this new character whatever is going to forget it suffers [TS]

02:07:37   from that kind of power responsiveness it's more a kind of I'm not saying its [TS]

02:07:41   responsiveness which is great but it's it's a similar kind of a lack of this [TS]

02:07:47   feeling of how you feel like a guy who could be an amazing pilot and but you're [TS]

02:07:54   a mean they do keep emphasizing it and another of these kinds of dialogue that [TS]

02:07:58   I didn't like it either end is is torturing him he says I had no idea we [TS]

02:08:02   had the best pilot in the resistance on board [TS]

02:08:04   why do you have to say that would anybody in real life say that I don't [TS]

02:08:08   think there and it was written in text for us which is which is which is also [TS]

02:08:12   but the fact they emphasized so much as were also made me think like also I [TS]

02:08:16   thinking I was he like the son of hand side alone or is he the son of Luke [TS]

02:08:20   Skywalker oh yes oh well I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of him but I always [TS]

02:08:27   with his wish that movies are neither did make a decision either you kill [TS]

02:08:33   characters or you don't [TS]

02:08:36   but the thing that I hate the most is the death faked out of characters and [TS]

02:08:40   that you know it always feels to me like you just rob you earlier scenes of of [TS]

02:08:47   any importance and it's become such a trip now to that mean did anyone [TS]

02:08:52   actually think he was dead surely not like it was a bit silly it would have [TS]

02:08:56   been a big twist if he was dead cuz it was Jay Jay Abramson jim says some [TS]

02:09:01   interesting things in movies sometimes I was actually running under the [TS]

02:09:04   assumption that he was dead and I thought wow what a relief but it might [TS]

02:09:07   have also just been some wishful thinking [TS]

02:09:09   you got you got double faced when he appeared back on screen great was the [TS]

02:09:15   only person the cinema [TS]

02:09:20   i mean i think is there is something really unremarkable about him because [TS]

02:09:25   even when they showed him in the in the X-wing when he flies back on I didn't [TS]

02:09:29   twig that it was him until fin delivers again that line like boy that guy sure [TS]

02:09:36   is an amazing pilot if I can see it I can see it on the screen you don't need [TS]

02:09:40   to tell me this speaking of breaking the laws of physics by the way when they [TS]

02:09:45   show human beings doing like maneuvers that would require reflexes and things [TS]

02:09:51   beyond what human can do like some of those little barrel rolls and tens I do [TS]

02:09:56   have problems with that to like it seems like a nice human like that would tear [TS]

02:10:00   human's body to pieces some of those turns and maneuvers that were being down [TS]

02:10:04   yet alone whether they have the actual cognitive ability to be thinking that [TS]

02:10:08   fast anyway this is always think it's it's it's how how far can they push [TS]

02:10:15   things before you feel like it's too far with it with some of the some of the [TS]

02:10:20   next week I didn't really think about that too much I just there is something [TS]

02:10:24   great about X-wing TIE Fighter fights it's just that it's a it's a pleasure to [TS]

02:10:29   watch again I love all the sound work on the TIE fighters they just have such a [TS]

02:10:33   particular sound that I love so one other thing I want to mention was just [TS]

02:10:41   thinking about this movie forrest was thinking about the dreaded prequels one [TS]

02:10:46   of the things I was really aware of watching this is in some of the opening [TS]

02:10:52   establishing sequence of this movie with rain her life and then on the desert [TS]

02:11:00   planet [TS]

02:11:02   CGI animals in the background that I couldn't help but notice because that of [TS]

02:11:07   course is one of the great scenes of the remade version of the prequels of just [TS]

02:11:13   like crap in the background just everywhere and i'm looking at the CGI [TS]

02:11:18   animals in the background of this movie and game just appreciating what a well [TS]

02:11:24   done movie can do because I was looking at them out [TS]

02:11:29   why don't these animals bother me and the answer is they're all there for a [TS]

02:11:35   reason and so the very first background animal that we see is in that silent [TS]

02:11:42   establishing sequence for Ray when she gets she's done with her scavenging she [TS]

02:11:47   gets back to town and she's pulling behind her on this led this little load [TS]

02:11:52   of stuff that she has scavenged and coming in the opposite direction is a [TS]

02:11:57   CGI animal pulling a way bigger load of scavenged stuff and this to me is it a [TS]

02:12:04   great example of that animal adds to the scene like a comment on her life that [TS]

02:12:11   she is there as a kind of beasts of burden doing this very manual labor and [TS]

02:12:17   this animal that is going in the opposite direction is at that moment [TS]

02:12:21   doing her job better than her because she's she's only able to carry so much [TS]

02:12:26   and it is carrying this enormous amount of stuff like that that just that one [TS]

02:12:31   little shot is the perfect example of how to add stuff that is atmospheric [TS]

02:12:37   without being distracting that animal has a reason to be in that scene it's [TS]

02:12:44   not just oh I wanna make this place look really busy an Alien and Aliens [TS]

02:12:49   everywhere baby animals everywhere [TS]

02:12:52   adding nothing doing distracting stuff sneezing when main characters are [TS]

02:12:56   walking into buildings it was it was just great and then the other the other [TS]

02:13:01   big CGI animals which is a very close to being George Lucas e but not quite with [TS]

02:13:06   the gigantic elephant thing that's drinking from the water but but even [TS]

02:13:10   that animal it's ok you can argue that it doesn't need to be there but it's [TS]

02:13:14   still add something to the scene because it provides a good reason why then is so [TS]

02:13:21   desperately thirsty that he's drinking the water hits obviously disgusting [TS]

02:13:25   because there's big giant disgusting creatures also drinking from it and then [TS]

02:13:28   it's the motion of that creature that distracts him for a moment so he sees [TS]

02:13:32   this this by taking place between ray and some other scavengers and said they [TS]

02:13:38   had to be just a just a great example of you want to have stuff in your [TS]

02:13:42   movie to show that it's an alien place that's great but it works when they are [TS]

02:13:46   doing things when they have a reason to be in the scenes just too many draws it [TS]

02:13:53   a tremendous example of the difference between like what george lucas does and [TS]

02:13:59   what a competent to do it was competence at its very best and even just any other [TS]

02:14:07   other very minor thing but just I love that in in those desert scenes the actor [TS]

02:14:12   playing Finn is sweaty [TS]

02:14:14   know why because they're really in a desert that he's really hot actually [TS]

02:14:20   somewhere you know they're not on a on a green screen they her filming out in the [TS]

02:14:25   desert in Abu Dhabi or someplace just it's a little thing like that just makes [TS]

02:14:30   it so real like this guy actually has sweat on his face because he is a really [TS]

02:14:34   hot wherever he is standing like thank you change abrams for building sets and [TS]

02:14:40   taking people places and and making it feel very real I mean the desert sayings [TS]

02:14:46   by far and away the highlight of the film for me or that the star of the film [TS]

02:14:50   along with the lightsaber in the snow in terms of visuals but that but the desert [TS]

02:14:55   not only is visually the most appealing part but it's also just the most [TS]

02:14:58   engaging powerful film like it was it was the highlight of the film a film [TS]

02:15:02   that I like all the bits of that was that was by far and away the best part [TS]

02:15:05   of the film for me let me ask about the end of the film so first of all there's [TS]

02:15:11   a question would they just send rate to go and make it look skywalker the person [TS]

02:15:15   they've been [TS]

02:15:16   everyone has been looking for for the last thirty years and they finally find [TS]

02:15:19   out where he is and they send the skills they've just met well you know chilis [TS]

02:15:24   with it I mean I understand maybe they want to keep a low profile but would you [TS]

02:15:27   not send like your best pilot or it doesn't it doesn't seem low profile when [TS]

02:15:34   you have everybody in the base cheering her on as she leaves him presumably [TS]

02:15:38   they're all cheering her on because they know where she's going she said that but [TS]

02:15:43   let's leave that to one side I mean I'm glad they sent over a decision what do [TS]

02:15:49   you think of that the end the final say no [TS]

02:15:51   we finally see Luke Skywalker and she holds out that lightsaber and I think [TS]

02:15:55   the movie should have ended three minutes earlier with her taking off and [TS]

02:16:00   flying in into space to go finally at the end of the end of empire [TS]

02:16:05   the pacing of the movie aside from the monster seen in never really felt slow [TS]

02:16:11   to me it never felt like ok slow down for a moment even when the scenes [TS]

02:16:16   themselves were slow the movie the peace always felt appropriate but that was the [TS]

02:16:21   only time where I felt a little antsy all of a sudden my seat is movie over [TS]

02:16:26   we're done right she's gonna go often and find the Skywalker ok that's great [TS]

02:16:30   felt like such a natural end to me that I was thinking I was going to say look [TS]

02:16:36   skywalker because there's such a good time to end and we haven't seen him so [TS]

02:16:39   obviously we're not going to say and then they like tagged arm ok we gotta [TS]

02:16:43   show you this is this is another example of where knowing anything is a bit of a [TS]

02:16:51   spoiler because even have a watch the first trailer my brain is always doing [TS]

02:16:55   the thing that I do when watches movies we're just taking off all of the scenes [TS]

02:16:59   like we haven't seen X wings flying across the water yet oh they're standing [TS]

02:17:03   at a place where there's a big lake I guess this is where the ex wings are [TS]

02:17:06   coming in just tick tick tick tick tick and simply knowing that Mark Hamill was [TS]

02:17:11   in this movie is a bit of the movie should obviously and here but I know [TS]

02:17:16   that it isn't going to end it it really feels to me like why do they have this [TS]

02:17:22   scene I think they have this scene so that Mark Hamill is involved in this [TS]

02:17:26   movie I think this this scene is here for reasons other than the pure [TS]

02:17:32   movie-making up it would have been a great bait and switch and they could [TS]

02:17:35   have argued he was in it because of his flashbacks exactly exactly I think they [TS]

02:17:42   easily be easily could have done that I just I dunno I really feel like that [TS]

02:17:45   scene was there because they wanted to have mark hamill involved in this [TS]

02:17:50   production and it was not there because it was the best way to end this movie [TS]

02:17:54   yeah I think you're probably right [TS]

02:17:57   that aside like once we accept ik they gonna do it I have to say I was not a [TS]

02:18:02   big fan of the final shot this sort of big aerial shot of the helicopter going [TS]

02:18:06   around the pinnacle showing the two of them it was the perhaps the one camera [TS]

02:18:11   shot in the whole film that didn't feel like a Star Wars movie yeah I agree it [TS]

02:18:16   felt like a BBC TV documentary with someone's doing a documentary about the [TS]

02:18:20   island and they should have this big shot with a presenter goes and here you [TS]

02:18:25   can see older coast that has been here and let it fail and was obviously in a [TS]

02:18:31   helicopter and it just didn't it didn't belong and I think the one of the [TS]

02:18:37   reasons this film feel so much like a Star Wars film is that change abrams [TS]

02:18:42   restrained himself and like although there is so much more creative with the [TS]

02:18:48   cameras then Lucas was he didn't go overboard like it's not quite as friends [TS]

02:18:55   because even the new Star Trek movies and other things it like it it did [TS]

02:18:59   retain an old-fashioned feel the camera moved a lot more than like in films that [TS]

02:19:05   was kind of a deliberate sort of space opera decision to say let's be a little [TS]

02:19:10   bit about school and traditions and there was no shot that was the [TS]

02:19:15   equivalent in star track of where Kirk realizes they are working into it [TS]

02:19:22   a trap and he runs through an enormous sets doing a whole bunch of stuff and [TS]

02:19:27   the cameraman is running behind him [TS]

02:19:29   yeah that that is a very JJA abrams feeling shots and has a moment from that [TS]

02:19:34   movie and they don't do that kind of camera motion anywhere in this and you [TS]

02:19:39   might be right that might be one of the reasons why does feel more Star Wars II [TS]

02:19:42   but yes that that's swirling camera shot at the end it did seem a little bit out [TS]

02:19:48   of place and I'll tell you having watched it twice the first time I saw [TS]

02:19:54   that scene it did feel a little bit like i mean that that whole scene where she [TS]

02:19:57   she's climbing up the stairs in Ireland and going to find Mark Hamill the first [TS]

02:20:02   time watching it it felt a little long as I obviously should have ended the [TS]

02:20:06   movie 2 minutes ago by the Hon tell you on the second watch through that is [TS]

02:20:11   going to be the part of the movie that just each of the worst because it feels [TS]

02:20:14   for ever on a second watch through and he do more cuts back and forth between [TS]

02:20:20   Mark Hamill and her looking at each other silently as she hold out that [TS]

02:20:24   lightsaber then you realize the first time you watch that movie it is way too [TS]

02:20:29   long if your gonna do that scene it even has to be half as long as it already is [TS]

02:20:33   it also felt a bit cheap which is an amazing cause I'm sure cost a bomb to [TS]

02:20:37   make but it just felt like a felt it felt like it was shot on a video camera [TS]

02:20:42   after they finish making the main film and I sent it they said some guy in the [TS]

02:20:47   video camera and in a helicopter and they didn't care for the Steadicam and [TS]

02:20:52   it it it's in congress and it's a bit weird at the end of these are weird [TS]

02:20:59   taste in your mouth is still a great film and everything but we still [TS]

02:21:02   definitely enjoyed about it that feels totally like the kind of thing that the [TS]

02:21:07   next movie could take care of imaginatively cut it when she flies off [TS]

02:21:11   into outer space [TS]

02:21:12   the next movie it picks up it does the scene and opening shots of a planet in a [TS]

02:21:18   spaceship in there and they kick off with some exciting thing if after that [TS]

02:21:22   point they cut to Ray being trained by Luke Skywalker somewhere in beautiful [TS]

02:21:28   Ireland is there anyone who's going to be confused is there anyone is going to [TS]

02:21:32   think how did that happen it's obvious she found him and she's being trained [TS]

02:21:37   now and who the hell cares about the exact moment they met you could cut that [TS]

02:21:40   whole thing you don't even need to do it in the second one a dramatic start to [TS]

02:21:44   the next film that the camera pans down to the two luk planner and the first [TS]

02:21:48   ship we say is the Millennium Falcon arriving at the planner [TS]

02:21:52   there many ways that you could do it and I just don't think you even need to show [TS]

02:21:55   this meeting happening so explicitly and that's why I just it really feel they do [TS]

02:21:59   some kind of hollywood political reason that this scene is there I can't imagine [TS]

02:22:02   anybody actually think that's the best way to end the movie because it's so [TS]

02:22:08   obvious that it should end with her going off into space it's such a natural [TS]

02:22:12   ending the other thing I want to talk about it if you would care to do this I [TS]

02:22:15   don't think [TS]

02:22:16   Council spoilers but do you have any kind of what will happen next thoughts [TS]

02:22:19   now like what what's going to happen why I mean it's impossible to know maybe [TS]

02:22:24   they don't even know for sure but what you think will happen next what you'd [TS]

02:22:27   like to see happen next is reagan a baby looks daughter if she hadn't layers [TS]

02:22:33   daughter and the brother of the sister of car they ran did note you can do I [TS]

02:22:39   will be avoiding spoilers to the next movie obviously but I'm also totally [TS]

02:22:43   happy to speculate that this is speculating without knowledge is [TS]

02:22:48   perfectly fine and I am vaguely operating under the assumption that the [TS]

02:22:52   most likely thing is that yes she she is the daughter of Hon and later like that [TS]

02:22:59   seems she's somebody's daughter right of importance there's there's not a reason [TS]

02:23:03   that they wouldn't mention it [TS]

02:23:05   yep and it's just there just seems like the likely case you know she's for [TS]

02:23:10   sensitive so it's either luk luk at a bit of an adventure or she is a mother [TS]

02:23:17   daughter and I believe in the extended universities that it is that that Luke [TS]

02:23:21   and Leia have a set of twins don't think their solution I had to end had twins [TS]

02:23:32   and they did they did yes and I'm pretty sure that the the Knights of ran that [TS]

02:23:38   the reference they make a movie is from the extended universe but the movie [TS]

02:23:42   seems to lean in that way to make you think this [TS]

02:23:44   that probably the better decision is to make her Luke's child in but that's what [TS]

02:23:51   the movies leaning towards I think if you're a Dumbo you'd be thinking that [TS]

02:23:55   she's links daughter has been waiting for Luke to come back I think the [TS]

02:23:58   hardened liar is the less obvious option which ironically that makes it more [TS]

02:24:05   obvious yeah but I lorraine has that line we explicitly says to her oh you [TS]

02:24:11   feel that that Han Solo is the father that you've never had [TS]

02:24:14   maybe that's the reason why that line is because it's actually that she's lose [TS]

02:24:19   the days like she's somebody's daughter its star wars the people going to be [TS]

02:24:22   related this is a family everybody everybody everybody somebody's daughter [TS]

02:24:26   have a minor guess which was put on the record now what's his name again the [TS]

02:24:32   boss of kind of something the wizard of oz [TS]

02:24:37   visit of US snoek I really I I really liked in his first appearance the [TS]

02:24:43   holograph figure out thing where they talking to him and he's huge and then [TS]

02:24:47   you realize how it's a hologram my prediction here is that in person he's [TS]

02:24:51   actually quite small and that he's basically that's almost a certainty that [TS]

02:24:56   has to be it has to be he's not going to be a normal sized duties going to have [TS]

02:25:00   to be a teeny tiny dude let's let the boat is prediction graders let me say I [TS]

02:25:03   predict what's gonna be lifesavers in the next few bold prediction I'm just [TS]

02:25:07   getting it on record is this is my speculation is confident gonna go [TS]

02:25:11   through the obvious redemption is it gonna be done at all over again where he [TS]

02:25:15   liked comes to the good writeup the end seems like could they would they have [TS]

02:25:19   the audacity to do that to be so obvious I hope not I think it the story [TS]

02:25:27   indicates that he won't because I think having him kill his father is quite a [TS]

02:25:33   thing to do on camera [TS]

02:25:34   the flip side of this the thing that slightly annoyed me is the whole pin [TS]

02:25:40   leaves the battle and it's his first battle ever and he's never killed [TS]

02:25:44   anybody that makes him it makes him too much like this shiny new minted penny [TS]

02:25:48   that landed on the battlefield I decided I want out of this later on in the [TS]

02:25:52   movies although idk I hate when I was like what what what were you doing as [TS]

02:25:56   far as I can tell you a guy he went through training and then bugged out on [TS]

02:26:00   the first opportunity that you didn't actually do anything [TS]

02:26:04   yeah but deserted from the evil empire but I think it makes his character a [TS]

02:26:10   little bit too squeaky clean but then this makes him go he is a good guy in [TS]

02:26:15   this universe because he's never killed anybody was much more interesting [TS]

02:26:19   character would be someone who has woken up from his programming over time and [TS]

02:26:23   and lessen the genuinely did bad things so if if that is the backstory they've [TS]

02:26:29   established for a good guy like we want him to be universally good and to be [TS]

02:26:33   entirely unblemished my feeling is that the reverse of that that having Kyler [TS]

02:26:37   and actually kill his father it makes him one redeemable at against unlikely [TS]

02:26:43   that they're going to do the redemption will see in a couple of years but I'd be [TS]

02:26:49   pretty shocked if they if they have a moment we're kind of friend turns around [TS]

02:26:53   I think they're going to keep up with him as an actual villain I don't know I [TS]

02:26:57   just don't know I think I think he will be turned around I don't think he'll be [TS]

02:27:03   bad for ever I do that I do like the little twist to the force thing where [TS]

02:27:09   he's like trying to push the light out like I know that's kind of what happened [TS]

02:27:14   at a theater but it wasn't quite it wasn't quite framed in that way it's a [TS]

02:27:17   bit like I what it's like I want to be dug in only the doctors takes over you [TS]

02:27:22   and you like give up and say oh I just gave up that's what that was done they [TS]

02:27:25   don't you know it's too late for me so I'm staying up got ink on my shirt [TS]

02:27:30   that's it you can't you can't claim marcia whereas he's like the opposite [TS]

02:27:34   he's like he wants to be dug and like he keeps having these light impulses that [TS]

02:27:38   he's like sign off gotta stop these luck impulses you know I wanna be a bad guy [TS]

02:27:42   got to stop this hankering to be good I thought let off on that really [TS]

02:27:47   interesting twist on the force [TS]

02:27:49   I like that as well I thought that was really nice this idea that there is late [TS]

02:27:52   temptation I wanna help that out ran across the street but I mustn't I must [TS]

02:27:58   admit I like that and also I just think it provides a tiny bit of [TS]

02:28:05   there is a couple I don't quite like in the movie but what one of which is wen [TS]

02:28:09   wen Han Solo explicitly says that the forces is tied together good and evil [TS]

02:28:14   like the light and the dark I think you need to at least have a little bit of an [TS]

02:28:19   excuse for dark side characters to imagine that they are performing the [TS]

02:28:23   correct actions and if you just explicitly say like oh it's evil I think [TS]

02:28:26   it is better when villains are somewhat sympathetic and I try to imagine the [TS]

02:28:29   dark side as like the this is much easier to get started down path though [TS]

02:28:34   in the long run is less powerful but you can get a very you can go from 0 to 90 [TS]

02:28:40   very fast and so I imagine that like dark side characters are ambitious and [TS]

02:28:46   attracted to immediate power and then that's why he finds himself rejecting [TS]

02:28:50   the light side is because he's trying to grow immediate power fast and so I do [TS]

02:28:55   like this temptation of God know if I'm gonna level in my light side points to [TS]

02:28:59   take forever to get really powerful elected on a crashed but the thing [TS]

02:29:04   that's always been a slight problem for me with the force and Star Wars is that [TS]

02:29:08   the darkside know that they're the bad guys like that so it's like they know [TS]

02:29:12   they know they're bad but it's always been a bit weird to me come to come to [TS]

02:29:18   the day they call themselves the dockside them as will be calling himself [TS]

02:29:21   the bad guys and girls on their caps right yeah come on come on come and be a [TS]

02:29:28   bad guy because it's cuz its gives you power and it's fun like like you say [TS]

02:29:33   like bad surely bad guys are supposed to think they're good guys be in Star Wars [TS]

02:29:37   universe the bad guys I've always kind of knowing their bad guys like the [TS]

02:29:41   temporary in the original trilogy seems like he really likes being the village [TS]

02:29:45   but seems to be a characteristic yeah it's like it's like a fat person saying [TS]

02:29:49   come on be really really fat because you get to eat lots of yummy donut us really [TS]

02:29:54   fat disgusting but at least you get to eat donors like surely the ideal person [TS]

02:29:58   is someone who wants to be thin and donuts but like the day but the darkside [TS]

02:30:02   alike are willing to be fat because they want a day let's say where is that there [TS]

02:30:07   is in real life a person who eats lots of donors somehow convinced themselves [TS]

02:30:11   they can still be thin eventually [TS]

02:30:13   whereas the dark side don't do that yeah I don't know what I'm doing here with us [TS]

02:30:17   for some donuts but nowhere to go with it you wouldn't think we liked the film [TS]

02:30:24   so much the way we were talking about it but well you know it's always easy to [TS]

02:30:28   complain about have many more things that we will come up against some point [TS]

02:30:31   I was complaining to my wife for probably a good 30 minutes and testing [TS]

02:30:37   her patients about how much I dislike the line where ray references the [TS]

02:30:43   Millennium Falcon having completed the Kessel run in 14 parsecs there are many [TS]

02:30:49   many more [TS]

02:30:50   very nerdy very specific things to pick apart and I have a long list of reasons [TS]

02:30:55   why don't like that line but I'm sure these things will come up again that was [TS]

02:30:59   doubling down on a mistake wasn't it when they probably shouldn't have ok [TS]

02:31:04   listen I have to do this again that the short version of this I K [TS]

02:31:12   the reason I hated that line is because it does a case it's over for anyone to [TS]

02:31:18   listening our team knows right but in the in the first movie when Han Solo [TS]

02:31:23   says to Luke been that they made that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs nerds [TS]

02:31:29   kind of freaked out because of our second unit of distance is not a [TS]

02:31:31   measurement of time and so it seems like it's the wrong thing for the base and [TS]

02:31:34   yes super nerds don't send me the links about how the parcel about how the [TS]

02:31:39   Kessel run as measured I know all of this [TS]

02:31:41   yeah you can I get my interpretation of that scene which I'm convinced every [TS]

02:31:48   time I watch it is intentional is that Han Solo is hitting been and Luke on [TS]

02:31:56   purpose he is saying something intentionally wrong to see if they pick [TS]

02:32:01   up on it like how much do these guys know about space travel how much did [TS]

02:32:05   they know about ships and their speeds what you mean he got the the essay used [TS]

02:32:09   a wrong SI unit test than just bragging about something he didn't really [TS]

02:32:13   accomplish it is a testing their scientific knowledge or testing their [TS]

02:32:16   knowledge of his fame inability what he is testing is their knowledge of fast [TS]

02:32:23   ships [TS]

02:32:23   and the reason he's doing that is because he's trying to sense how much of [TS]

02:32:28   a sucker they are you can rip them off exactly right how much how much do they [TS]

02:32:33   know about what's going on how much can you rip them off and if you watch that [TS]

02:32:38   scene really closely he gives that line and then they they flashed to Ben Kenobi [TS]

02:32:43   in Luke and belt tobyGames this weird little smile almost like he knows what [TS]

02:32:48   he's doing [TS]

02:32:50   I don't think I'm reading too much into the scene by just very very shortly [TS]

02:32:54   after that then and you get up and leave and that is such a great little moment [TS]

02:33:00   in Star Wars went on then choose the jewish playboy these guys are really [TS]

02:33:03   desperate and as I can't wait to extract all the money from from these desperate [TS]

02:33:08   soccer's we've come along can I say I don't read it that way [TS]

02:33:10   cannot tell you how I read that saying well first of all let me acknowledge him [TS]

02:33:15   to stop that quite often when you talk about films you watched as a child you [TS]

02:33:18   are blinded to some of the added nuance and even an even when you grow up you [TS]

02:33:23   somehow don't have the ability to say that no one said you might say exactly [TS]

02:33:27   but that's set that said as my little but cover the way I read this is hands [TS]

02:33:34   on his behalf a legend in his own lunch time and he thinks he's he thinks he is [TS]

02:33:37   the great I am and it's kind of like he's one claim to fame is one thing that [TS]

02:33:42   he thinks he's famous for his is this Kessel run like and these guys haven't [TS]

02:33:47   heard of it and it's a bit like a slight may walk into a room and i got high and [TS]

02:33:51   Brady her and I am Number 5 videos and no one has heard of numberphile [TS]

02:33:55   said the one the one the one thing let you know my claim to fame and like no no [TS]

02:34:00   and no and I think that's what's happening to him it's like he's he's [TS]

02:34:06   there you know I put the Millennium Falcon and there was that is going well [TS]

02:34:12   and made the case you haven't heard of the mother ship it made the Kessel whose [TS]

02:34:15   time it's like famous man and it's kind of like so he's kind of this light [TS]

02:34:20   legend in his own mind and he's like being brought down to earth in real life [TS]

02:34:24   and it's like ok I don't think he's testing them I think he's bragging to [TS]

02:34:28   them and then he's bred folds flat because these guys are kind of just [TS]

02:34:33   being so they see things there [TS]

02:34:36   that's a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the scene I think I [TS]

02:34:39   wouldn't argue against that because this there's only subtext in that seems so [TS]

02:34:44   you can interpret either way and so I just have my own pet interpretation of [TS]

02:34:48   that but it is just destroyed when Ray sends out the Catherine 14 parsecs 12 [TS]

02:34:56   because it legitimizes I know this was a thing this is a race like guess the dumb [TS]

02:35:00   extended universe backwards compatibility reason for why it's [TS]

02:35:03   measured in parsecs is now Canada I really hate that line it completely [TS]

02:35:08   vindicates my interpretation because what's happening now is he finally made [TS]

02:35:12   someone who has heard of his great claim to fame and then they get it wrong [TS]

02:35:15   because they used the wrong number this does go exactly into making your [TS]

02:35:20   interpretation Canon interpretation moment but also I also don't like that [TS]

02:35:26   line because I just why does she know this that seems a bizarrely specific [TS]

02:35:33   thing for this character to know I think there's a purpose to I don't like that [TS]

02:35:37   line either by the way that's a great with me as well just cause it feels just [TS]

02:35:41   jazz but I think one of the little to fan service as well but what I think [TS]

02:35:46   when I think it was trying to do in service of the plug is to show that [TS]

02:35:50   she's a complete spaceship cake like she's into it she knows everything she [TS]

02:35:54   knows the Millennium Falcon she knows like she's a real she's a real space [TS]

02:35:58   ship engineering and mechanical know and like us only a mechanical engineering [TS]

02:36:03   spaceship node would have heard of the Millennium Falcon and know about the [TS]

02:36:07   Kessel run so I think they're trying to further establish a potential someone [TS]

02:36:12   who really know spaceships and we see that later on you know she fixes the [TS]

02:36:15   Millennium Falcon on the Hoffman so I think they're trying to establish there [TS]

02:36:18   is a real geek in the area [TS]

02:36:20   she's the one who has heard of the Kessel run in the Millennium Falcon [TS]

02:36:22   unlike lukin been yeah I i understand the mechanics of what is doing in the [TS]

02:36:27   movie and I totally agree and it also acts as a as a first little bonding [TS]

02:36:31   moment between her and Han Solo [TS]

02:36:33   antagonistic it's a bit of our ok well these you know about this thing but it's [TS]

02:36:38   just great to me and it just feels like a weird thing for her to know because [TS]

02:36:41   the time light when did when did this Kessel run occur at how many years ago [TS]

02:36:45   was this how many years with this before she was [TS]

02:36:48   autonomy maybe this is because I'm not a lot of sports nerd but it it seems it [TS]

02:36:53   seems like the equivalent of someone knowing obscure baseball's statistics [TS]

02:36:57   that happened twenty years before they were born when their nineteen it seems [TS]

02:37:02   like a lot I can get that I like that I think the problem the reason it just me [TS]

02:37:08   is the timing of it like she's like on a broken-down ship hovering in space it so [TS]

02:37:13   it seems to be her first time in space perhaps a second ago she was figuring [TS]

02:37:19   out how she's gonna she's gonna live there's a lot of stuff going on it seems [TS]

02:37:23   like she's just met someone who just doesn't seem like a conversation should [TS]

02:37:29   be having at that time it seems like something you discuss maybe later over a [TS]

02:37:32   cup of coffee [TS]

02:37:33   it's it's it's a line that debt just it just bothers me it feels like a bit of [TS]

02:37:39   fanservice I understand the mechanics that's what it's doing in the plot but I [TS]

02:37:43   think there are better ways to do that where she could recognize something [TS]

02:37:46   about whatever they say something later on the cargo class kind of thing that [TS]

02:37:50   this ship is you can have her recognize things about the ship on solo talks to [TS]

02:37:56   her about you don't have to have these particular line especially when it's [TS]

02:38:00   such an infamous line in in the Star Wars universe it's poking the bear isn't [TS]

02:38:05   it yeah it's a bit too much this is free to use Star Wars fans but I know I don't [TS]

02:38:12   I don't need you to remind me just like I don't need the chest able to turn on [TS]

02:38:16   when Vince its attitude I recognize that chess table immediately there's nobody [TS]

02:38:22   who sees the chess pieces come on who then puts the put it together in their [TS]

02:38:27   head [TS]

02:38:28   everybody who's going to recognize the chess pieces recognizes the table that [TS]

02:38:32   that would have been classier didn't switch yeah it would be a thousand times [TS]

02:38:37   classier to the switch on that I think those those two things right in a row [TS]

02:38:41   where bill I don't need you don't need to do this I recognized the table it's [TS]

02:38:47   better if the table doesn't turn on that just goes further to that little part of [TS]

02:38:50   the film when I get off the desert plateau but before they leave being the [TS]

02:38:54   worst part the film from the basically the moment that ship breaks down in all [TS]

02:38:58   but Dzeko [TS]

02:38:59   until they finally blast out of the fixed costs and that whole sequence is [TS]

02:39:05   the path that is that is that is low part of the film I will agree with that [TS]

02:39:10   i mean even at least a tiny bit of of class II fanservice but it still at the [TS]

02:39:16   scene is unnecessary is when Finn is looking for the bandages for chili in [TS]

02:39:21   that scene he pulls out the training ball at Luke uses and he holds it right [TS]

02:39:27   in front the camera looks at it and throws it to the size I don't need to do [TS]

02:39:31   that you can just you can have it on set in the background and trust me I will [TS]

02:39:35   notice or having floated away but don't linger don't have a look at the people [TS]

02:39:40   who go through it by my frame also my love you but don't hold up in front of [TS]

02:39:44   my face it it's it's a bit like I notice every single one of the droids on those [TS]

02:39:50   first order ships that were the droids from the original movies I recognize [TS]

02:39:56   that little floor droid right away I see the trashcan guy with the two feet in [TS]

02:40:00   the background like I recognize all of them you don't need to linger on them [TS]

02:40:02   and this is the kind of thing which is nice for super fans but yeah holding the [TS]

02:40:06   thing up in front of cameras a bit too much [TS]

02:40:08   switching on the chest that is a bit too much that's probably the last of the [TS]

02:40:12   last of our are picking us about the movie for today anyone today just [TS]

02:40:16   considered as sort of an introductory taster of will really get his find a [TS]

02:40:19   tower at a later date of its just this is our first impressions [TS]

02:40:25   we're going to go back and watch a few more times now to pick up some of the [TS]

02:40:29   minutiae yeah we'll really get into it then almost certainly I'm going to see [TS]

02:40:34   it again with my wife [TS]

02:40:35   relatively soon though I like it [TS]

02:40:38   complaining if there's anybody who's on the edge and like spoilers and listen to [TS]

02:40:43   the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie [TS]

02:40:43   the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie [TS]

00:00:00   you know how I love a little bit of fate and coincidence and stuff I had my head [TS]

00:00:03   I had been a crazy idea today so I just wanna put it in there cause I know you [TS]

00:00:08   like new and unpredictable things that I love alone suffered a schedule I did [TS]

00:00:14   something I do maybe once every few months and that is I bought like a [TS]

00:00:18   scratch ticket oh yeah I usually do as a little surprise present from iowa [TS]

00:00:22   because she's not particularly in to scratch tickets but she finds it funny [TS]

00:00:26   that Australians called them scratch ease so ever since then I sometimes [TS]

00:00:29   think that's funny because it is funny [TS]

00:00:33   Australians and your lil names for everything we love putting the liaison [TS]

00:00:36   the end of things so sometimes I come home and bring her a scratchy so anyway [TS]

00:00:40   I brought a scratchy for myself and I thought I would do the scratchy luck on [TS]

00:00:45   the podcast because I could win 1,000,000 pounds and I thought if I 11 [TS]

00:00:51   million pounds while we will live recording that would be an amazing piece [TS]

00:00:56   of podcast would be pretty go it would be astounding do you think if I win [TS]

00:01:01   1,000,000 pounds that would change the topic of today's podcast and we will [TS]

00:01:05   just talk about how I'm gonna spend this million pants now because honestly I [TS]

00:01:08   would much rather talk about our intended topic then you're million [TS]

00:01:11   pounds if you like I'm really happy for you but let's get on with the show [TS]

00:01:14   really did do you think I could do the show if I just want two million barrels [TS]

00:01:18   I mean your professional podcaster you should be able to soldier on without one [TS]

00:01:23   which he just ran into the street screaming no but I think I think it [TS]

00:01:34   would be unprofessional to win 1,000,000 pounds live on a podcast and then not [TS]

00:01:40   talk about it just crack on with other by now subjects there's always follow up [TS]

00:01:44   Brady right we can talk about it and follow up on the next episode [TS]

00:01:47   you've got to adapt to circumstances and you could go with fake takes you you've [TS]

00:01:50   got to be as adaptable as a Swiss Army knife as we previously discussed you [TS]

00:01:55   can't just have your notes and think like like if I was looking out the [TS]

00:01:59   window right now and a comment came and smashed into the say do you think I'd be [TS]

00:02:03   thinking would I be thinking that that does his topic for next week I must put [TS]

00:02:07   the show notes or do you think it's a great not gonna believe what just [TS]

00:02:10   happened of course if you wildly change this [TS]

00:02:12   scenario then yes I'm going to agree with you had we're going to talk about a [TS]

00:02:16   comment smashing into the earth I'm not having that I'm not wildly changing the [TS]

00:02:22   subject changing the area I like I admit crashing to the earth is pretty [TS]

00:02:29   significant and more significant than we may winning a million pounds but may 20 [TS]

00:02:33   million pounds is still like a big deal it's like more interesting than talking [TS]

00:02:38   about Star Wars it is not it is not more interesting great if you if you want to [TS]

00:02:42   if you wanna million per someone walked into your office right now and gave you [TS]

00:02:45   a suitcase with a million pounds I would say let's talk about that Star Wars can [TS]

00:02:50   wait that is quite an unusual scenario why did someone give me a suitcase full [TS]

00:02:53   of a million pounds now the suitcases a thing to worry about like sitting here [TS]

00:02:57   at my feet as I'm trying to record the scenario let me make this really easy [TS]

00:03:02   for you if you had a scratchy cat in front of you and you scratch that off [TS]

00:03:07   and you won a million pounds I think that's more interesting than talking [TS]

00:03:12   about stuff goes ok you know what I can prove to you it isn't because he is that [TS]

00:03:17   we can do if you really want that can be my scratchy ticket and you can scratch [TS]

00:03:21   it off and if I win a million pounds then we keep going on with the show and [TS]

00:03:24   I'm right and it's great that we're going to see if I can prove to you I can [TS]

00:03:33   prove to you how correct I am on this one I would rather be Rome and having [TS]

00:03:37   them are you are you ready to scratch off here is scheduled to take it well [TS]

00:03:44   I'm gonna give you a fun of choices in the scenario because my wife believes [TS]

00:03:48   that it's lucky to use a golden coin to do it with a coin of high value but just [TS]

00:03:53   for you I also have a penny I'm gonna let you decide if you want me to use a [TS]

00:03:56   lucky golden coin or a penny to scratchy scratchy scratchy I mean which one is [TS]

00:04:02   more satisfying to hold because obviously they're not going to change [TS]

00:04:04   the numbers in the ticket I've actually was slightly disagreed with my wife on [TS]

00:04:08   this because I think the gold pound coin is a little bit sick for doing the [TS]

00:04:12   scratchy oh yeah pound coins no good that's no good to hold it all you need [TS]

00:04:15   like a tu pense going that's that's good it's nice and then it's probably the [TS]

00:04:19   only thing that it depends going is good at it is big enough to hold [TS]

00:04:22   up to scratch when now you've said that I gotta go and get two pence cause now I [TS]

00:04:26   feel like it's bad luck if i dont use it to a pens game it doesn't there is no [TS]

00:04:30   there is no luck in this scenario I'm gonna get to Penn Schoen hang on [TS]

00:04:33   ok I made in this news release getting it depends if he has it right hand is [TS]

00:04:40   going to be sitting back down in like two seconds I'm back on his way back to [TS]

00:04:44   you know I keep my cup of coins in a in a old ww2 like mortar shell then huge [TS]

00:04:52   big goldwater show is it within arms reach is essentially a pretty matches so [TS]

00:04:58   figured it's on those bookshelves next to my desk right right of course sounds [TS]

00:05:04   good just the way they mentally to pants ok see if you can guess what you might [TS]

00:05:11   open scoring is from 1990 1995 nowhere near it [TS]

00:05:21   we have what like fifty years of two pence coins I think that's pretty close [TS]

00:05:24   five years five years how long how long of two pence coins currently in [TS]

00:05:31   circulation been made [TS]

00:05:33   let me let me say something again grow so you can do it all my goodness great [TS]

00:05:37   that's amazing you are within five years they didn't exactly because it would be [TS]

00:05:46   ridiculous because being five years is nowhere near I think it depends entirely [TS]

00:05:50   on how many years worth of fifty pence coins are in circulation and I bet [TS]

00:05:53   there's like 50 years worth of fifty pence going circulations 108 maybe not [TS]

00:05:57   cuz theres desolation in the nineteen seventies in the UK and other currency [TS]

00:06:01   in the nineteen seventies I think they did 66 I believe was the ok so still [TS]

00:06:07   like shifted basically fifty years ago I don't know that was 66 assists in my [TS]

00:06:10   head cuz that's also the year they won the World Cup I could be wrong about [TS]

00:06:13   that but anyway there's many many years I'm within 5 I'm impressed by this [TS]

00:06:18   random coincidence are you impressed by telling him you like that that's what I [TS]

00:06:23   tell you what you will be impressed by my million pound win that's about to [TS]

00:06:27   happen mary millions I put a picture of the card and shown out so people can [TS]

00:06:31   have [TS]

00:06:31   look what's the maximum on that scratch the maximum million parents who is not [TS]

00:06:38   really Mary millions it's Mary hey million or 44 for people to marry [TS]

00:06:43   million therefore it's a Merry millions visit Mary's million there's million [TS]

00:06:47   pounds the next prices 25 2010 51 than 200 100 as the little ones if I win [TS]

00:06:54   25,000 I don't really know what we're gonna do I think I mean that's there's a [TS]

00:06:58   lot of money but where is that boundary of when it becomes uninteresting [TS]

00:07:05   we've got a great because that's the whole thing with like scratch cards and [TS]

00:07:10   lotteries as before you inevitably lose it so the dreaming of what will happen [TS]

00:07:15   if you win so I'm trying to make course that is what this thing is so I'm not [TS]

00:07:19   even dreaming of what I would do with the million I'm dreaming of what will [TS]

00:07:23   podcast about if I read the million [TS]

00:07:25   got like it's like levels of abstraction going on here we know we're going to [TS]

00:07:32   talk about we're gonna podcast about Star Wars now here we go there are four [TS]

00:07:36   gingerbread man in a little cluster and apparently if I if when I scratch away [TS]

00:07:43   these gingerbread man if I find a little Santa Claus face i win a prize I'm sure [TS]

00:07:49   to listeners are holding their breath man had a ball pool side win the second [TS]

00:07:55   on a globe know when a sweet know when Holly know where and when nothing how [TS]

00:08:10   unlikely it looks like today's podcast is going to be about the new Star Wars [TS]

00:08:14   film The Force awakens [TS]

00:08:18   what's the most important thing before we say anything about the force awakens [TS]

00:08:26   the new Star Wars movie instead of us is what is a spoiler situation here because [TS]

00:08:31   oil is a very important when it comes to this there can't not be spoilers this [TS]

00:08:37   episode is going to have many spoilers starting essentially immediately so so [TS]

00:08:43   if you don't want spoilers stop now we are recording this is at its two days [TS]

00:08:50   after it came out in the UK I think that's about right and i know many [TS]

00:08:54   people who have taken the last couple days to basically hide from the internet [TS]

00:09:00   because they are terrified of receiving spoilers so I know a lot of people like [TS]

00:09:04   I can't go on reddit I can go on Twitter because if I go on I know I'm going to [TS]

00:09:08   see spoiler and so many many people are are hiding but as always cast people [TS]

00:09:13   could be listening in the far far future great I have a story yes a blatant [TS]

00:09:17   exactly to that obviously will come to us so we can estaba spoilers obviously a [TS]

00:09:24   very major character dies in this film and I was spoiled [TS]

00:09:32   yeah I was it doesn't really bother me but I and it was just you know what it [TS]

00:09:38   does bother me it was the method in which it was done okay so tell me how [TS]

00:09:43   did this tragedy happened I was in the comments section of one of my videos [TS]

00:09:48   just like I do for work and it was one of those people who just who just wants [TS]

00:09:54   to be a bad person and just wrote so-and-so dies and is killed by someone [TS]

00:09:58   so no one really basically the whole purpose was for people to stumble over [TS]

00:10:03   and incidentally and can I say [TS]

00:10:06   and I've been thinking about this and I don't want to sound too extreme but I [TS]

00:10:10   think people who do that I don't judge them cause I don't know what's going on [TS]

00:10:14   in their lives they could have had a difficult childhood [TS]

00:10:17   of stuff going on and I've lived long enough to know when people do bad things [TS]

00:10:21   sometimes there are other things going on so I don't want to I don't judge the [TS]

00:10:25   person [TS]

00:10:27   but can I say that Act the act of spoiling say I feel more a TV show in [TS]

00:10:34   that I don't know if there's a word for doing that i'm gonna call / spoiling [TS]

00:10:38   it's like a drive-by spoiling what is called a flash point is I think it's a [TS]

00:10:44   little bit catch you but I think the act of doing that is one of the most pure [TS]

00:10:52   despicable things you can possibly do because there's nothing but evil about [TS]

00:11:00   it [TS]

00:11:00   life is nothing but taking pleasure from evil there are many worse things that [TS]

00:11:04   people can go right for example crimes and terrorism they are worse things [TS]

00:11:10   right to inspect some how many of them can be justified but you can say well [TS]

00:11:16   okay this person may be heard they had walked believe so they thought they were [TS]

00:11:19   doing the right thing or they were motivated by a need and then they did a [TS]

00:11:24   really bad thing but people who are doing these flash spoils me it's just [TS]

00:11:28   that there's none of that going on there's no there's no constructs you can [TS]

00:11:31   make where there's like a justification other than them taking pleasure from [TS]

00:11:36   ruining something for other people and I think that's a really despicable acting [TS]

00:11:40   you can sit there and laugh and think i've i've ruin the film for X number of [TS]

00:11:44   people and then you have but can I just say that's a despicable thing you've [TS]

00:11:49   done and like that's as low as you can get a good time for you I know it makes [TS]

00:11:55   you happy that that and that just makes me feel a bit sad for you I can imagine [TS]

00:12:00   that sort of person takes a lot of pleasure [TS]

00:12:03   there's something about this which is like East symmetric warfare in that I [TS]

00:12:08   imagine the person who does the spoiling gets maybe five seconds worth a very [TS]

00:12:14   minor enjoyment for some people but the damage done is enormous [TS]

00:12:21   you you ruin the movie for a large group of people like you take away such a huge [TS]

00:12:28   amount of joy for what is a very probable very small increase of pleasure [TS]

00:12:34   to yourself so that's one of things it's even worse about it like the asymmetry [TS]

00:12:38   of it well I mean that's the case from [TS]

00:12:40   crimes and things isn't what you say is true great I just think I guess that's [TS]

00:12:45   just sad that had a sad crap life and they may be they feel that the world's [TS]

00:12:48   been bad to them so they want to do something bad to the world I'm thinking [TS]

00:12:51   of the damage done in terms of human hours of enjoyment you know when someone [TS]

00:12:56   sees a spoiler like that on one of your videos like it's possible you know many [TS]

00:12:59   hundreds maybe thousands of people see that lets multiply a thousand human [TS]

00:13:03   hours of spoiled moving us against the persons leading seconds of enjoyment [TS]

00:13:08   that is the tremendous asymmetry of it that mean then let people who kick [TS]

00:13:11   puppies on that as far as bad things go that are not illegal it's it's up there [TS]

00:13:17   but by the way I am only talking about these flash boils like I mean people may [TS]

00:13:22   people may be pointing out that in our recent vote-counting video the face of [TS]

00:13:28   growing appeared a few times I point out why this is different when it was [TS]

00:13:32   accidental [TS]

00:13:33   it was you editing the video was made that video is very long and as you know [TS]

00:13:40   I didn't go through a frame-by-frame and it had to be done a bit of a hurry if [TS]

00:13:45   you're watching that video you probably know you're in a frisky zone but if [TS]

00:13:49   you're like somewhere unrelated and someone does that does that flash Boyle [TS]

00:13:52   I think that's a bit worse I didn't quite realize that there actually are a [TS]

00:13:56   tremendous number of comments on our flag video about spoilers for my face [TS]

00:14:01   but I didn't see very much of that because as soon as we put the video up I [TS]

00:14:07   was precisely afraid of the thing that happened to you happening to me of [TS]

00:14:10   someone leaving just a random comment on that video to be a jerk about Star Wars [TS]

00:14:14   spoilers so this is how we looking at so little in the last couple days leading [TS]

00:14:18   up to this movie and then after I saw for the first time I went back to look [TS]

00:14:22   at that video Russell 2000 boy lots of comments about these would be great face [TS]

00:14:27   boilers again need to add an annotation or something to to warn people about it [TS]

00:14:32   because of how many comments there have been anyway enough about that it didn't [TS]

00:14:36   I don't think it affected my enjoyment of the film I didn't you know I didn't [TS]

00:14:41   take enough from a to know exactly what and when and how and who said there was [TS]

00:14:44   still some doubts but it did you know that was less of a surprise as a result [TS]

00:14:49   but anyway let's talk about this film [TS]

00:14:52   let's talk about Star Wars now actually the force awakens directed by Jim Abrams [TS]

00:14:58   now you've already seen it twice the way this work is that I saw it on the 17th [TS]

00:15:04   as a date with my wife had originally reserve some tickets ahead of time and [TS]

00:15:10   we were going to go out and see it because because we are professional [TS]

00:15:16   movie reviewers in some way I like this notion that everything we discuss on the [TS]

00:15:21   podcast we can somehow be professional in in any way and we get we get money [TS]

00:15:25   for the podcasting network professional X we're professional movers now I mean [TS]

00:15:29   after that scratchy thing on a professional gambler I believe you are [TS]

00:15:32   you a Wikipedia pages are going to get very long very long my plan was unlike [TS]

00:15:40   say some of the other movies that we have intentionally watched for the [TS]

00:15:44   podcast like The Hobbit movies where my expectations were low going in when I go [TS]

00:15:49   into the Hobbit movie I have my phone now ready to take notes right away [TS]

00:15:53   because I feel like a movie there's no way you're going to convince me to put [TS]

00:15:57   down this phone because you're interesting so I might as well start [TS]

00:15:59   taking notes now but I felt that that would have been deeply unfair to do to [TS]

00:16:03   the Star Wars movie and it was also just not something I wanted to do and also [TS]

00:16:07   just not something I would want to do when I'm going to see a movie with [TS]

00:16:10   somebody else so I booked two tickets one which was just to see it with my [TS]

00:16:15   wife and just to watch it and then the second one which just happened today [TS]

00:16:19   which is the day after I booked it with the intention of going into the movie [TS]

00:16:24   theater and having my phone and taking notes by the way people don't worry I [TS]

00:16:27   booked in the back so that nobody was getting distracted by my phone so then [TS]

00:16:31   the second thing is that ok now I am medal watching this like I'm watching me [TS]

00:16:36   watching this and i'm taking notes on it and and writing some stuff down so [TS]

00:16:39   that's that's my experience of it OK and you have watched it once I've watched it [TS]

00:16:44   once yes I watched the day after you basically my wife wants to see it and [TS]

00:16:50   she's booked tickets for us to see it on Sunday which happens to be the day after [TS]

00:16:54   uni recording now [TS]

00:16:56   because we're recording the podcast want to talk about and also I wanted to avoid [TS]

00:17:00   spoilers I went to see a day earlier than two days earlier than planned but [TS]

00:17:05   also funnily enough we've now learned this sound of music alive event is on TV [TS]

00:17:11   on the Sunday night my wife really wants to watch so we've actually booked [TS]

00:17:15   tickets for Monday night now and we're not gonna use a Sunday Ticket so there [TS]

00:17:19   will be two empty seats in the cinema for one of the screenings so I would [TS]

00:17:23   have bought three tickets in the course of four days but only gone to two of [TS]

00:17:27   them as we talk now I've only seen it once I didn't take notes during ice [TS]

00:17:33   cream with some notes the day after my memories of it alright well I know Brady [TS]

00:17:38   you have no patience for talking about it without saying in advance what you [TS]

00:17:42   actually thought of the movie so do you want to give your overall feeling he [TS]

00:17:46   reaction to Star Wars do you disagree with me because I know this is a point [TS]

00:17:50   of difference between us you like sort of constructing this complicated web [TS]

00:17:53   where no one knows exactly what you're thinking with a movie review it's more [TS]

00:17:58   important for people to know what you think overall I know where you're coming [TS]

00:18:01   from and then and then you say good or bad about it has a context i think [TS]

00:18:07   talking about it is the review [TS]

00:18:09   yeah and that's what we'll do but it is it is all colored by whether or not you [TS]

00:18:13   liked the film like it colors I think it's important to do and that's why I [TS]

00:18:18   will I will concede I will concede your point ik I will concede your point [TS]

00:18:23   ok well my overall feeling about it that will that can be taken with everything I [TS]

00:18:28   say subsequently is I thought it was a really really good it was excellent [TS]

00:18:34   two thumbs up superb job wow high rankings probably the biggest star Wars [TS]

00:18:41   fan that I know in real life I know anybody in real life be like Star Wars [TS]

00:18:44   more than you not flawless and I have a have a whole page of of criticisms I [TS]

00:18:51   think when he was announced as directed my expectations were too high then they [TS]

00:18:55   went down and after a few of the trailers I began to lose faith and get [TS]

00:19:00   to wonder some expectations went down a bit so it exceeded my expectations but [TS]

00:19:06   my expectations weren't ridiculously high but they also were at rock bottom [TS]

00:19:09   but I think the film's very good for two four and a half stars out of 5 I'd say [TS]

00:19:17   what about you what's your overall thoughts before we get get down to the [TS]

00:19:20   nitty gritty yes I had only watched that first trailer that you made me watch for [TS]

00:19:27   the record I wouldn't have watched otherwise like you I was happy VD [TS]

00:19:32   hearings was selected as the director and I was intentionally keeping my [TS]

00:19:35   expectations low and my mind mental bar here was if we can get something as good [TS]

00:19:44   as the new Star Trek movies that James did that's a win those Star Trek movies [TS]

00:19:50   same thing like they're they're like a fun adventure ride but I've never felt [TS]

00:19:55   really compelled to watch them again but I would still feel like that would be [TS]

00:19:59   that would be a win that's really what I'm hoping for that was kind of the [TS]

00:20:02   mental bar in my life is is ok maybe it's going to be like Star Wars as seen [TS]

00:20:09   through modern action movie genres but I'll be fine with that if it's if it's [TS]

00:20:14   like Star Trek but I watched it and I would say that it passed that far [TS]

00:20:21   it was a better movie than the Star Trek movie was I really liked it's like to [TS]

00:20:28   have a quite a long list of things that I didn't like but overall it was it felt [TS]

00:20:36   to me like this huge relief of like oh wow it's a it's a Star Wars movie that I [TS]

00:20:42   can enjoy again [TS]

00:20:43   I watched it and it was a fun adventure and I liked it and it was it was good in [TS]

00:20:49   all the ways that I wanted it to end the thing that I really kept feeling [TS]

00:20:53   throughout it was like that Star Trek movie doesn't really you like star track [TS]

00:20:59   but watching this Star Wars movie it felt like the line at Honolulu given the [TS]

00:21:05   movies like we're home again like this feels like Star Wars it's hard to pin [TS]

00:21:11   down what that is exactly what it feels like it's in the same family as those [TS]

00:21:18   original three-month high grade I think I [TS]

00:21:22   reasons for that I agree with you and that arrow sites like it's made star was [TS]

00:21:27   a case against like after those three abominations it was a bit like people [TS]

00:21:31   that you like Star Wars really but those rooms are rubbish it's a bit like year [TS]

00:21:34   but say now is OK [TS]

00:21:36   healing moment that that's that's really what it feels like it's just it feels [TS]

00:21:43   like oh there's there's been this great healing energy Abrams has laid his hands [TS]

00:21:48   upon the series and it's all okay now maybe it's a bit like a sporting team [TS]

00:21:52   that won a bunch of super bowls like in the eighties and then they became really [TS]

00:21:56   rubbish team never gives you a hard time for liking that time this year that had [TS]

00:22:00   a really good season and made the playoffs on paper it's all right there [TS]

00:22:03   after oh yeah it was it was it was great and I hope does need gives judge abrams [TS]

00:22:13   all the creatively way that he once for whatever he's going to do with with the [TS]

00:22:18   next movies kobe's he is physically safe for the near future someone get that guy [TS]

00:22:23   the bodyguard 24 7 because I want to make sure I G Abrams is a okay to keep [TS]

00:22:28   this to keep this train rolling a piece of paper here that says the light side [TS]

00:22:32   and a piece of paper that says the dark side of the things I like to do things I [TS]

00:22:36   didn't like my tax ID one problem is a bit longer how we gonna do this do what [TS]

00:22:40   are we going good some bad so we goin chronological age you know how do you [TS]

00:22:44   want to talk about the film let's just start kind of rolling through what [TS]

00:22:47   happens in the movie and then and and take it from there I think if we go [TS]

00:22:51   funny we don't have to stick to call logical or anything but let's just kind [TS]

00:22:54   of like start the [TS]

00:22:54   a very good place to stop my very first note on this was text scroll know it [TS]

00:23:01   taxes exclamation mark right away it felt great to see a text scroll in the [TS]

00:23:06   opening part of the movie that was people focus they get with clear of here [TS]

00:23:11   is the set up Luke is missing [TS]

00:23:14   Princess Leia general area now has sent off this guy to go look for something [TS]

00:23:18   that's important it was just it was a very good start [TS]

00:23:22   ok great there's a text girl that I understand the talking about people it's [TS]

00:23:27   not talking about trade embargoes and federations and all the rest of this [TS]

00:23:30   right away very happy very good sign I just love it and of course I don't think [TS]

00:23:36   you can sit in a movie theater and not have that initial Star Wars sound come [TS]

00:23:41   on and blasted with that logo and not feel a moment of just tremendous [TS]

00:23:44   excitement like no matter how low my expectations were going into that peter [TS]

00:23:49   hasn't tried to like turned down my expectations intentionally as soon as [TS]

00:23:53   that Big Star Wars sound comes on you just oh boy here we go I hope it's [TS]

00:23:57   amazing to say that the scroll wasn't bad ok so far as to say it was good [TS]

00:24:03   stuff I think that the first words Luke Skywalker has vanished that's really [TS]

00:24:07   compelling like that's like that's a really good first few words like the [TS]

00:24:12   first thing everyone wonders going to see that film is what's gonna happen to [TS]

00:24:15   Luke Skywalker like where i doing now comes the big hero what's and to start [TS]

00:24:20   with that straight away it's like okay let's the hotel doesn't he know the easy [TS]

00:24:25   way to really get it was really good start sending around and they do a [TS]

00:24:30   little bit of misdirection because they mentioned about Princess Leia sending [TS]

00:24:34   her daring pilot off to go find whatever did find the missing map [TS]

00:24:38   yeah and and of course in your mind you're thinking of that must be Han Solo [TS]

00:24:41   right now of course not this is the new movie there's a new cast is going to be [TS]

00:24:44   somebody else he was the daring pilot was written obviously intentionally to [TS]

00:24:49   make you think conselho and then like nope this is a new this is a new set of [TS]

00:24:53   movies I thought that was a nice looking to do as well yeah and then the open and [TS]

00:24:57   then from the scroll obviously the camera pans down in the great Star Wars [TS]

00:25:01   tradition to see what a big amazing money shots gonna be a [TS]

00:25:04   is it gonna be a rolling ship or what's it gonna be scrolling down to a planet I [TS]

00:25:10   think he did he did well it is different but in keeping with the great star was [TS]

00:25:14   tradition like right away I thought that was a really good sign of he's doing the [TS]

00:25:18   traditional move we have pan to a planet but he's doing it as the silhouette of [TS]

00:25:22   the ship so you don't actually see the ship that is is this first one here you [TS]

00:25:26   just see that there's some silhouette crossing the planet down go these little [TS]

00:25:30   pods with storm troopers in them and it's like it's ok great this feels like [TS]

00:25:35   we're doing the right things here going through all the motions but also it's [TS]

00:25:38   it's different and its new so I thought I thought that was that was really good [TS]

00:25:42   it's doing everything you need to its conveying so much information with so [TS]

00:25:47   little effort like okay because the planet like a clips because the plan is [TS]

00:25:52   eclipsed by the ship its ok this is menaced this is this is big and menacing [TS]

00:25:57   and straight oh and all of these things are being given to you straight away no [TS]

00:26:02   confusion now no clutter just but everything is got meaning it's not only [TS]

00:26:09   beautiful and clever it's it's giving information all the time which is so [TS]

00:26:13   important at the start of the film is an especially these are films even if you [TS]

00:26:17   imagine someone walking into this movie theater and they've never seen Star Wars [TS]

00:26:20   before and they're reading this text may have no idea who any of these people are [TS]

00:26:24   you still know that the ship is bad news so clearly this is bad news right these [TS]

00:26:30   are not people that you want coming to this planet just visually like they [TS]

00:26:34   don't have to tell you anything about it there are a lot of little moments like [TS]

00:26:39   this in the movie where I just found myself thinking like how competent you [TS]

00:26:44   are using visual language to convey something like this this is just [TS]

00:26:49   absolutely this is absolutely a pleasure to watch when when someone is doing [TS]

00:26:54   doing this kind of thing yeah so I think the first the first major departure in [TS]

00:26:59   the movie is the scene when the storm troopers land they are thinking of his [TS]

00:27:06   as new tattoo him truly Jaku i think is the name for it [TS]

00:27:09   yeah but it's another desert planet yeah it's another does deter planet it's it's [TS]

00:27:14   you know it's new Tatooine [TS]

00:27:16   and they're they're landing in there doing a raid and there's a storm trooper [TS]

00:27:19   who is freaking out because he's this is his his first fight as you find out [TS]

00:27:25   later he seeing you seeing all the death occurring around him and he's like a [TS]

00:27:29   PTSD stormtrooper in this moment he sees presumably one of his friends dies this [TS]

00:27:34   again was just a great thing like let's do something a little bit different and [TS]

00:27:39   the and the old Star Wars movies had these couple little moments where where [TS]

00:27:44   storm troopers where human eyes like chatting on the side of of them will be [TS]

00:27:48   seen or whatever but here we are going to focus on a stormtrooper like one guy [TS]

00:27:54   who is a real person who is going to be an actual character and I mean because I [TS]

00:28:01   had seen the trailer that really made me want to presume that that was going to [TS]

00:28:05   be the case that I guess storm trooper was was one of the main characters by I [TS]

00:28:08   thought it was a good move I got an interesting it's an interesting and [TS]

00:28:12   different place to focus in in the movie and we have this sort of this little [TS]

00:28:17   battle and skirmish kick off on the on the desert planet the same and where [TS]

00:28:22   someone files a blast heard a big bad and he froze the blast about in the in [TS]

00:28:28   the in mid-air I mean if you'd told me beforehand that was going to happen out [TS]

00:28:33   of it or not too sure about that but I was also and it was such a cool new use [TS]

00:28:38   of the focus was such a cool new effect to see a lazy about frozen in mid-air [TS]

00:28:44   but still sort of sizzling on the spot other that was that was so cold that [TS]

00:28:48   blaster bolts was designed in the same way that Iran's lightsabers done where [TS]

00:28:56   it in its like angry right it has sparks coming off the edge of it feels alive [TS]

00:29:01   because this is this is the this is the plus side of making a movie many years [TS]

00:29:06   later that we have better graphics technology we can make things look [TS]

00:29:10   better than just lines on the screen so yes when when that blaster boulders [TS]

00:29:15   fired and it stopped in mid air in it you couldn't have done that effect [TS]

00:29:20   before because it would just be like others are glowing line in the center of [TS]

00:29:23   the screen but with this it feels like that blaster bolt is just [TS]

00:29:28   tradução dying to move forward like it's giving off sparks and its kinda [TS]

00:29:31   moving around a little bit but but it's just casually held there by the dark [TS]

00:29:35   side of the force and yes it is just so cool like that is exactly the kind of [TS]

00:29:40   thing I can imagine if I was there I was a little kid seeing this like you [TS]

00:29:43   imagine yourself like stopping blaster bolts with your hands when you're [TS]

00:29:47   playing with other kids like that's just a great great thing to do in in the [TS]

00:29:51   opening scene to establish I guess this guy can do amazing things right away and [TS]

00:29:57   also very early on we have a bit of a market for the film as well as when when [TS]

00:30:02   this this pilot here a guy whose name of already forgotten is sort of brought [TS]

00:30:07   before con la Renta get a telling off and and that is really jokey he's funny [TS]

00:30:14   like an early modern and modern jerky way who's gonna talk first you can talk [TS]

00:30:18   the talk first like it was very like okay they gonna they're gonna be sexy [TS]

00:30:24   but it was a real martin sass wasn't it was an old-fashioned humor it was like [TS]

00:30:29   very modern speak and it was it was actually quite disorienting for a second [TS]

00:30:34   that moment right there when the pilot says even talk first my get talks first [TS]

00:30:39   and then I'll iran says something and then he does another joke which is that [TS]

00:30:42   he says it's it's very hard to understand you with all the apparatus [TS]

00:30:47   he's making fun of the of the mask this guys wearing that was one moment where I [TS]

00:30:52   was thinking like oh I was a little worried at that point because it is that [TS]

00:30:57   to me just doesn't feel Star Wars because it is very modern I'm not saying [TS]

00:31:02   it's bad but it was a moment where everything was going great on this train [TS]

00:31:06   and in my mind anyway like we hit a tiny bump and now I'm suddenly cautious again [TS]

00:31:10   writes like shields up a little bit worried just again just because I want [TS]

00:31:14   your watching the movie you just wanted to go so well in the experiences in the [TS]

00:31:18   past have been so bad [TS]

00:31:19   release I was anyway like hyper sensitive to everything that felt like [TS]

00:31:24   slightly slightly off right at the beginning I was not a fan of that and I [TS]

00:31:29   wasn't a fan of it on the second viewing again but this is where we will start to [TS]

00:31:33   get into some of the things that I think are little bit off a little bit [TS]

00:31:36   it did remove a lot of the gravitas of characters that i think is supposed to [TS]

00:31:39   have some gravitas it did later on I i mean I really liked the humor in the [TS]

00:31:45   film I'm sure we'll talk about that but there were a couple of times with the [TS]

00:31:48   humor felt like it was too much from the streets of New York and not enough from [TS]

00:31:52   a long time ago in a galaxy far far away there's a few things then felt I feel [TS]

00:31:58   like I can say this it felt like to american in a way and in a few moments [TS]

00:32:03   in the movie was ok that's feels very American and it does it doesn't feel [TS]

00:32:08   like this this other place but yeah but relative relatively minor thing [TS]

00:32:13   relatively minor thing at the moment since I just talked about a moment where [TS]

00:32:18   I was a little bit worried about stuff I kind of want to talk about the the [TS]

00:32:22   moment when I felt just sold on this movie and just really stopped thinking [TS]

00:32:29   about watching the Star Wars movie and I started just watching a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:32:33   yeah and this was this was when they have the introduction for the main [TS]

00:32:41   character of the movie the girl ray yeah and so they there's these establishing [TS]

00:32:45   shots of her and she is a scavenger on new Tatooine and she's pulling apart all [TS]

00:32:51   of these ships and she has this this like I don't know how long it is maybe [TS]

00:32:56   you five minute introductory scene seven minutes or so where that is totally free [TS]

00:33:02   of dialogue and she's she's not saying anything the movie just showing her [TS]

00:33:06   going about her her life is a scavenger and it's great because they're in the [TS]

00:33:12   background their these scenes of these big ships that have crashed on [TS]

00:33:16   Jaku and they don't bother explaining like how the ship's got that like who [TS]

00:33:20   cares it just looks Star Wars here's this person going through the rubbish [TS]

00:33:24   and there's just this little moment when she's collected up all of her stuff and [TS]

00:33:30   she puts it on this little sledge is on the top of a sand dune and she slides [TS]

00:33:35   down the San do [TS]

00:33:36   and there's this just to my mind this pitch perfect musical that is is that [TS]

00:33:46   the use throughout the movie but it's the first time you hear it I've been [TS]

00:33:49   thinking about that shot I don't know why but for some reason that was just [TS]

00:33:53   the moment I felt like this is really great you have injuries done at the [TS]

00:33:59   bombastic here's some fight scene of their spaceships here in there like no [TS]

00:34:03   you're establishing a new character you're also you're also taking your time [TS]

00:34:09   in doing this you don't feel rushed very much like the earlier Star Wars movies [TS]

00:34:14   which are surprisingly slow in some scenes when you watch them now this felt [TS]

00:34:19   like the same thing like you taking plenty of time to do it and then on top [TS]

00:34:22   of it you have new music but it's still feels like Star Wars and it still feels [TS]

00:34:29   like this belongs right in in the movie I love the non smoking establishment of [TS]

00:34:37   her as a brand new character and that was the point where I really feel like [TS]

00:34:40   I'm just sitting back and just watching this movie and I'm not really nervous [TS]

00:34:44   about it anymore or thinking about him watching a brand new Star Wars I'm just [TS]

00:34:48   engaged with the new character who is doing things in this world like that's [TS]

00:34:53   that's where I really felt sold on this establishing so much about her you know [TS]

00:34:59   she's she's tecnico she's resourceful she's she's she's like muscular like [TS]

00:35:06   she's action she's a she's a woman of action all the time even through that [TS]

00:35:12   even through that sort of gentle breather after the action he's not used [TS]

00:35:17   to so much about her in a short space of time still and watching that silent [TS]

00:35:22   introduction the second time I was even just more aware of all of the things [TS]

00:35:26   that are being established about her and also I don't know who that actress is [TS]

00:35:32   never seen her before in anything but man I i think [TS]

00:35:37   she nails that role every line in every scene I just think she just hits it [TS]

00:35:46   right out of the park there's something about her that she's just so natural [TS]

00:35:51   that she really feels a part of the Star Wars world unlike some other people I [TS]

00:35:56   might mention later but I just thought she was she was just amazing she just [TS]

00:36:01   fits so perfectly and it's one of these things that I can never quite put my [TS]

00:36:05   finger on it but some some actors and actresses are just so natural on-screen [TS]

00:36:11   you just feel like they are what they are and other people you feel like oh [TS]

00:36:15   you're a good actor but I'm aware of you is being an actor and she was just the [TS]

00:36:20   total natural so I felt like man who have you found her from the casting [TS]

00:36:24   department it was just an amazing choice she was so good even just even just [TS]

00:36:29   little things about in this silent introduction when they show her eating [TS]

00:36:33   the bread that she's earned from from the items that she has scavenged she's [TS]

00:36:36   eating that bread convincingly like a person who is really hungry and not [TS]

00:36:41   doing it in an overly obvious way it's just so natural I guess this is a person [TS]

00:36:46   who got less food than they were expecting from their scavenging and [TS]

00:36:49   she's she's hungry and she's she's eating this and it sounds dumb to [TS]

00:36:53   mention that but it's it's just a just a pleasure to watch them on screen who's [TS]

00:36:58   just so so good at their job is she was really really just amazing [TS]

00:37:04   on Mon lot side least here geez absolute top number one i think she's the best [TS]

00:37:09   thing about the whole film yeah without a doubt that the actress is also the [TS]

00:37:14   characters she does a great performance but the character so interesting and [TS]

00:37:18   because their costumes great like every every every single thing about that [TS]

00:37:24   character ray is is brilliant and I think she is absolutely makes the film I [TS]

00:37:29   always wanted to say what she was up to when she was on screen could you imagine [TS]

00:37:34   just imagine if George Lucas had to write a three-minute silence scene for [TS]

00:37:39   introducing a new character how [TS]

00:37:42   how unbearably awful would that be would he even try now of course not but it's [TS]

00:37:48   and that's where like that just felt really great like man I am in the hands [TS]

00:37:52   of a competent team was able to show me things without having to explain things [TS]

00:37:58   like that they're people who are thinking about this where they show her [TS]

00:38:01   writing the notches on the wall so you have some sense though she's been in [TS]

00:38:05   this place for a long time you know everything about her life like you said [TS]

00:38:09   you you learn this from her and she is great and and the the directing team [TS]

00:38:13   even things like I just kept thinking wow there are interesting camera angles [TS]

00:38:17   in this movie like they're choosing to put the camera in [TS]

00:38:21   angled locations to show you a bunch of different stuff actually I realized on [TS]

00:38:25   the second time around her first line of dialogue is in them is in some made up [TS]

00:38:28   language right she's she's yelling at the guy who finds the the Droid BB 8900 [TS]

00:38:35   she's she's yelling in a in a different language and it just comes off as [TS]

00:38:38   convincing as she she sounds like she does speak some other language and and [TS]

00:38:43   even then she makes like a little head gesture and she should she's the Droid [TS]

00:38:46   she just comes off right away as very very competent character and and and a [TS]

00:38:51   great actress yes seriously Daisy Ridley's the actress's name however I [TS]

00:38:56   feel like this is a moment where maybe I would take something which is on the [TS]

00:38:59   dark side as as you have divided your lists let me get my dockside paper as [TS]

00:39:04   well as well as my tax ID paper cuz for as much as I love lots of stuff in this [TS]

00:39:12   movie showing you things without explaining it to you I feel like there [TS]

00:39:19   was some writer on the team or someone who felt that there had to be lots of [TS]

00:39:27   exposition that was redundant in the movie there are tons of lines in this [TS]

00:39:32   movie where people say things twice or three times right in a row and it just [TS]

00:39:37   really irked the heck out of me and this girl has one of those lines where she is [TS]

00:39:45   she goes into town with BB 8-18 you in the silence seen we have established [TS]

00:39:49   that she's obviously been there for a long time she's taking off his remarks [TS]

00:39:54   on the wall [TS]

00:39:55   but she says the to the Droid I know all about 180 for my family [TS]

00:40:00   they'll be back I feel like these these lines like we know you're waiting for [TS]

00:40:04   someone you don't need to explicitly say this out loud and I just like they were [TS]

00:40:09   a bunch of lines were someone would just say things several times over and over [TS]

00:40:14   again and I just found that kind of your eating like the exposition dial in [TS]

00:40:18   dialogue was was turned up way too many times I gotta have a couple notes for [TS]

00:40:24   similar similar lines were someone else later in the movie says the Droid is in [TS]

00:40:28   the hands of your father Hans solo it again now we know we got it right we got [TS]

00:40:33   it but you don't you have to say it twice that everybody in the movie knows [TS]

00:40:36   what you're talking about I meet people don't always pay attention and if things [TS]

00:40:40   are really important you gonna make sure they know them they're cut the times I [TS]

00:40:44   agree I think I don't think her putting notches on the wall of her of her home [TS]

00:40:50   or if she was immediately said to me she was waiting for something we did need to [TS]

00:40:54   be told she was waiting for people to come back with but they are real they [TS]

00:40:58   visit that later in the movie later in the lobby where they do it like it's not [TS]

00:41:03   necessary to do right now you have some sense you have some sense of this [TS]

00:41:06   already and I think it'd be more powerful leader if you don't like hammer [TS]

00:41:09   it home and you know and then lined a great in the beginning when someone is [TS]

00:41:15   talking to Kyle 0 ran away and he says over the first-order rose from the [TS]

00:41:20   darkside you did not write telling us the color and didn't start out evil then [TS]

00:41:26   his very next line is you can't deny the origin of your family is ok but you [TS]

00:41:30   could have stopped did you did not like we understand he didn't start out on the [TS]

00:41:34   dark side you don't have to like super hammered in I think my favorite my [TS]

00:41:38   favorite example of this is is down at the very end they mention someone that [TS]

00:41:44   the pilot guy has a line about it's it's destroying the Sun right in when the Sun [TS]

00:41:48   is when the Sun is gone then the other weapon as ready as I okay that's a great [TS]

00:41:53   line he says so as long as it's light out we still have a chance attacking you [TS]

00:41:57   did you just said that like you just said that line with your previous line [TS]

00:42:01   that that's probably one of things just irritated me the most is feeling like [TS]

00:42:04   there were lots of these lines for people who like [TS]

00:42:08   really trying to make sure that you following along and I understand what [TS]

00:42:12   movies do that but I just don't know if you like you I always one less [TS]

00:42:16   exposition then there are movies and this movie felt like they were a few [TS]

00:42:19   really egregious lines of of exposition I agree with that someone later in the [TS]

00:42:25   film I thought that was that was later a bit thick but I also think the fact you [TS]

00:42:28   saw this film twice in three days is contributing to that and I think it's [TS]

00:42:33   definitely not because that was that was I have fun looking on on my screen [TS]

00:42:38   working on my screen the two sets of notes that I have which was the first [TS]

00:42:41   reaction notes and my first reaction notes has a big thing saying there's 22 [TS]

00:42:47   much as 20% too much exposition and I wrote down that line about light and [TS]

00:42:51   made a note from future me to find some of the other lines because the first [TS]

00:42:55   time I watched it I felt like there's just too much of this is too much of [TS]

00:42:59   this I mean I've heard you complain about this with other films to them as [TS]

00:43:02   well you know i think i think you know everyone pays close to pay close [TS]

00:43:07   attention so I feel about the same way but not everyone pays close attention I [TS]

00:43:11   was a bit too much about but I don't think at like crippled the film and and [TS]

00:43:15   I need the gym no I don't I don't think so either but it's one of the things I [TS]

00:43:19   like when you're really enjoying the movie I just find that stuff like sticks [TS]

00:43:23   in his stick side as this would be a better movie it without this yeah that's [TS]

00:43:29   also do you have something from your dark side list that you want to mention [TS]

00:43:31   something this semi related and almost funny that this is this kind of almost [TS]

00:43:40   goes against what you said and that is I felt like this film like a a big [TS]

00:43:48   complaint about the terrible terrible prequels is that they completely [TS]

00:43:53   abandoned sort of characters and interesting counties and they [TS]

00:43:56   concentrated on this boring politics and this is this big the match the Metro [TS]

00:44:03   story of what's going on in the galaxy I feel like this film went very very far [TS]

00:44:09   in the other direction to the point where I kinda didn't understand the big [TS]

00:44:14   picture very much and therefore I didn't really care [TS]

00:44:18   about some of the things that were going on like who's in charge of the galaxy [TS]

00:44:22   now and that that planet they blew up I I sort of had the impression that the [TS]

00:44:27   bad guys the empire had sort of had retained control after Return of the [TS]

00:44:30   Jedi but then these bad guys with their stock of blowing up is that the planet [TS]

00:44:37   with the Senate on it they just blew up so it is the zip code is as the military [TS]

00:44:41   take over the government and let and hang on so princess Leia's like still a [TS]

00:44:47   rebel so there is still rebels so the bad guys are still in control so why [TS]

00:44:52   they why do they play that up and and lots and lots of the stuff happening at [TS]

00:44:56   the higher level like the big the big politics I was completely bamboozled by [TS]

00:45:01   and therefore I was finding it hard to sort of like a those guys with the stock [TS]

00:45:06   cooler bad so obviously a play that thing up but who's in charge but what's [TS]

00:45:11   going on there was there was a lot of the macro was lost on me I was very [TS]

00:45:16   engaged with the micro but the big picture was lost to me and therefore for [TS]

00:45:20   example at the end of a new hope you just want that Death Star blown up so [TS]

00:45:23   bad you know you know how bad is you know who's good you know who's bad this [TS]

00:45:26   this attack is the culmination but by the end of force awakens it's a bit like [TS]

00:45:31   you care about the star killer thing and therefore this big siege at the end when [TS]

00:45:36   I fly unemployed up it's a bit like yeah I can see why your blood that bad but it [TS]

00:45:44   wasn't it wasn't God thank God it's gone it's gone it's gone the Death Star was [TS]

00:45:49   gonna blow up every plan and the Galaxy it was really feel it is Starkiller on [TS]

00:45:53   like we win next ok what what massive spherical planet destroying device that [TS]

00:46:01   they're gonna be a next whistle blew up a similar thing in my first reaction [TS]

00:46:04   notes that I was I was thinking oh did I miss something here because I had a note [TS]

00:46:10   about the first-order Senate resistance question mark and my feeling was I don't [TS]

00:46:18   understand the relationship between these three entities and you know when [TS]

00:46:24   I'm what when I was first watching the movie it was ok I'm just going along [TS]

00:46:27   with this we have we have obviously the bad guys and obviously the good guy [TS]

00:46:31   guys but as soon as the star killer came online it did immediately drawn to my [TS]

00:46:37   attention like wait I don't actually understand what's going on because this [TS]

00:46:42   resistance seems separates from the senate it doesn't it doesn't seem like [TS]

00:46:48   they are connected and when I was watching a movie a second time I was [TS]

00:46:52   trying to pay attention they did I miss online like something explaining [TS]

00:46:55   something here and we really know and there's actually a line that made me [TS]

00:46:59   even more confused because when the when the evil general is giving his big [TS]

00:47:03   speech about how we're going to destroy that senate he makes he makes some [TS]

00:47:08   remark i wish i I caught it the exact remark but he makes some remark that [TS]

00:47:12   it's the lead me to believe that there is some formal separation between the [TS]

00:47:19   senate and the resistance he makes remarkable how ago that the senate is [TS]

00:47:23   you know is lying about something about the resistance and then it's ok now this [TS]

00:47:28   is really unclear the relationship between these entities like i presume [TS]

00:47:32   that the senate is running the Galaxy now and then the first order is the [TS]

00:47:38   remnants of the empire with incredible resources like oh don't mind us with our [TS]

00:47:48   terror but then like where the rebellion fits into that is very confusing to me [TS]

00:47:56   that like if you are not the area where the resistance in the give you are not [TS]

00:48:00   the army of the senate like I'm I am confused now like you're in it you [TS]

00:48:05   princess Lalla how are you connected to all of this is that felt weird the film [TS]

00:48:11   would have made more sense if the resistance princess layer and the people [TS]

00:48:15   with the ex wings was the military branch of the Senate but then they would [TS]

00:48:20   no longer be underdogs they would be part of the establishment and you'd lose [TS]

00:48:24   that whole dynamic so for some reason they've made them to some sort of [TS]

00:48:27   splinter freedom fighters when when it doesn't really logically may make sense [TS]

00:48:33   i mean because who they're resisting this first order lunch like you know the [TS]

00:48:38   enemy that the outsiders or are they all are [TS]

00:48:41   I actually had the impression that the first order was the military branch of [TS]

00:48:45   the the Senate but the government and that gone bad you know because they've [TS]

00:48:51   got an army that was confusing it remains confusing to me it remains [TS]

00:48:58   confusing I'm sure there are answers to all these me extended universe like all [TS]

00:49:03   of us like I don't really care I'm just watching this movie and I'm curious but [TS]

00:49:06   the things in the universe of the movie but yeah I did think it was it was weird [TS]

00:49:10   and a weird dynamic is like you want both of these sides to be underdogs they [TS]

00:49:15   don't it's it's strange if it was a bit strange it's a it's a minor complaint [TS]

00:49:20   but it is definitely one of the things I think of is the mark of a good movie is [TS]

00:49:26   that the more you think about the movie the more the movie rewards you for [TS]

00:49:31   thinking about it and bad movies are the kind of movies where you have to say I [TS]

00:49:37   movie just don't think about it because if you think about it all you know it [TS]

00:49:40   all just falls to pieces right and it doesn't work at all and I definitely [TS]

00:49:45   have found myself thinking about the Star Wars movie a lot which is great but [TS]

00:49:48   this is one of those moments was like don't don't think about the connection [TS]

00:49:52   between these three entities too much I don't don't think about it because it [TS]

00:49:55   it's it's it causes a little bit of a problem and it's not really explained so [TS]

00:49:59   it's I think it's interesting that you picked up on that as as well I thought [TS]

00:50:04   the character of skin [TS]

00:50:06   this is asked a stormtrooper turned turned hero was also really good also [TS]

00:50:14   super strong you know from that moment we see in the trailer where his head [TS]

00:50:18   pops up and he looks like he's overreacting a little bit I'm thinking [TS]

00:50:21   I'll know what have they done again I really liked him I really like to I [TS]

00:50:28   really cared about him and that's that's the that's the most important thing is [TS]

00:50:33   that you care about care about because he was I thought he put in a good [TS]

00:50:36   performance there were 10 times I think he pushed the credibility of what that [TS]

00:50:41   character would do under the circumstances when you go sexy and funny [TS]

00:50:45   and remain [TS]

00:50:46   there a few times like now you wouldn't be acting that way in these [TS]

00:50:49   circumstances so that so for that reason you know he wasn't quite as a [TS]

00:50:55   superlative characters say the rate character but I thought he was really [TS]

00:50:59   good hit really good chemistry with the right character I'm really intrigued as [TS]

00:51:04   to you know what will happen with their relationship so I thought another real [TS]

00:51:10   asset to the film you know I think that I think they've done really well they're [TS]

00:51:13   totally with their two most important characters on the hero side of things [TS]

00:51:17   yes [TS]

00:51:21   disagree a little bit because I really like the characters well I think the [TS]

00:51:27   idea of having the storm trooper as as a character is is very good I like the [TS]

00:51:32   role that he plays in the movie but he would he was one of the the actors were [TS]

00:51:37   alike [TS]

00:51:38   you're not there are a bunch of lines that he gives in the movie that I felt [TS]

00:51:42   were clunky and he he was one of the major before saying something's felt a [TS]

00:51:49   little bit to american and he was one of these things that there were moments [TS]

00:51:53   with you you sound very American [TS]

00:51:58   in a few of these scenes but a bit off again it just it's it's so hard they can [TS]

00:52:05   watching movie is it so hard to pin down why things are different because [TS]

00:52:08   Harrison Ford shows up in this movie and he talks and he's obviously American and [TS]

00:52:12   he actually is American and it doesn't it doesn't feel that way but the guy [TS]

00:52:18   playing Finn had a few lines I just feel like this is out of place that's what I [TS]

00:52:25   meant when I said you wouldn't act that way a lot when he when he confronts his [TS]

00:52:29   old stormtrooper boss towards the end of the film [TS]

00:52:33   me now sort of that kind of calm in charge of charge I mean that was that [TS]

00:52:38   was that mister that mister bay in a very jarring way that sort of punch out [TS]

00:52:43   of the film for a for a few seconds so there yet that that's why wasn't you [TS]

00:52:48   know that's why I said it wasn't as perfect a sort of the rain go away I [TS]

00:52:51   don't remember ever being ever been now I know she's but she's Pittsburgh the [TS]

00:52:55   whole way through but I think it's not even the lines that he has to deliver [TS]

00:52:58   which sometimes they're hard sometimes but it's the way he delivers them it's [TS]

00:53:03   it's his accent in his way of speaking feel like clunky lines and i ended up [TS]

00:53:09   looking him up because I wanted to know if I think she's my suspicions about [TS]

00:53:15   this I found out he's actually English he went to school in london keyes other [TS]

00:53:20   person I have no idea who he is [TS]

00:53:22   which for a Star Wars movie by the way is the right way to go you don't wanna [TS]

00:53:25   have very obvious known characters are very obvious known actors in your Star [TS]

00:53:30   Wars movie you want to find a new crop of people who are talented I think [TS]

00:53:33   that's a really hard job to do [TS]

00:53:35   unknowns were relative unknowns we're also really good but he is English maybe [TS]

00:53:42   it was because he is obviously trying to hide his English accent in the movie [TS]

00:53:46   because maybe they don't want their two main characters do have the same accent [TS]

00:53:49   which is quite reasonable but I wonder if that's why some of his his lines of [TS]

00:53:53   dialogue just feel really really clunky to me when he delivers them as I go [TS]

00:53:58   you're you're not using a natural voice are trying to put on an accent and your [TS]

00:54:01   accent sounds very American but maybe because it's not exactly American is why [TS]

00:54:06   it feels off and weird sometimes so my feeling is is he was fine but i ik I [TS]

00:54:12   would not say that he was great like I really like the character but I don't [TS]

00:54:16   think that the actor did a perfect job with with what he was with what he was [TS]

00:54:21   given speaking of people sending americans let's come under Carrie Fisher [TS]

00:54:26   for a minute I don't know what's happened with her voice but she has sort [TS]

00:54:32   of an odd voice now and she sounded her she sounded distractingly American to me [TS]

00:54:39   like really strong I don't know what her accent is what part of america's from [TS]

00:54:43   Harrison Ford lots of people have American accents and nothing of the sort [TS]

00:54:49   of India's fishes Jackson her voice has changed in such a way over the years [TS]

00:54:55   that she her voice really distracted me i i had real problems with with her she [TS]

00:55:04   sounded character Carrie Fisher has been through quite a rough time since the [TS]

00:55:09   Star Wars movies in this galaxy and that galaxy [TS]

00:55:14   time so it is not surprising that her her voice sounds shockingly different [TS]

00:55:20   sounds like no sound like someone who's been through a rough time it is weird [TS]

00:55:25   because when she did first come on camera I found her distracting as well [TS]

00:55:30   as a few you look very different and you sound very different and I find you [TS]

00:55:34   quite distracting again in a way that I just I was impressed by how did not [TS]

00:55:38   distracting old Harrison Ford was I was expecting it to be a bit oh god that's [TS]

00:55:43   off-camera as fast as possible but I think he did a great job and then he was [TS]

00:55:48   really believe I think they gave him too much action work today I think he I [TS]

00:55:54   think that when he's running around on that freighter when those monsters are [TS]

00:55:57   on the loose [TS]

00:55:58   he's really lumbering like I'm thinking there's no way you're going to get away [TS]

00:56:01   from those monsters like you are to be much longer and it's it's it's low [TS]

00:56:12   hanging fruit on these people for being a bit wooden now but I think he was too [TS]

00:56:18   old for some of the things he was being us today and it was a few times I was [TS]

00:56:21   thinking fella don't make it don't make him run there someone going aside from [TS]

00:56:27   that that monster sequence when they're on the spaceship and the monsters get [TS]

00:56:32   loose which for me might be the low point of the film is that monster [TS]

00:56:39   sequence totally agree that whole sequence up on that ship was was was [TS]

00:56:44   definitely the the low ebb it is the low sequence because ok so what's happening [TS]

00:56:48   in the movie at this point right is that our main characters have escaped with [TS]

00:56:51   the Millennium Falcon and Harrison Ford finds them and brings the Millennium [TS]

00:56:57   Falcon on board his ship and there is just this convoluted sequence that the [TS]

00:57:04   end result is like luxuries we want movie we want Harrison Ford back on the [TS]

00:57:08   Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:57:09   everybody wants that harrison ford wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon she [TS]

00:57:12   wants to get back on the Millennium Falcon everybody wants wants to get [TS]

00:57:15   there and it seems to me like you know what you can do movie you could just [TS]

00:57:19   just have Han Solo be really happy that he's found the Millennium Falcon again [TS]

00:57:24   and just fly away on it just abandon his current ship which makes reference to [TS]

00:57:29   his being too big for him to fly anyway because he doesn't have enough of the [TS]

00:57:32   crew like just have him leave but instead there is this very long sequence [TS]

00:57:36   where you know whatever it is that these people that Harrison Ford has had past [TS]

00:57:40   dealings with a land on the ship and there's like an argument and then [TS]

00:57:43   there's monsters escape all of this is just to get him on the Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:57:48   and if I don't [TS]

00:57:50   agree with you there were a few things that needed new chief to that point in [TS]

00:57:54   the film I do agree that they took the wrong way and they could have done it [TS]

00:57:57   much simpler with you know they could not handle of different ways they did [TS]

00:58:01   have to establish that he has spent a long time away as a smuggler he's back [TS]

00:58:07   on the smuggling track right and he'd been and he's been doing it for a while [TS]

00:58:10   cause these double-crossed so many people so he's not just away from layer [TS]

00:58:14   for 10 minutes he's like he's out on the loose again on his own he's out getting [TS]

00:58:18   cigarettes or anything it's been it's been years and we also had to find a [TS]

00:58:22   mechanism for word to get back to the First Republic that Han Solo has the [TS]

00:58:28   Droid so there has to be someone to tell on him so someone has to know this so [TS]

00:58:33   there there were a few little things that have to happen but here I could [TS]

00:58:36   have been done a lot quicker and easier than this very non Star Wars moment of [TS]

00:58:41   this of these monsters roaming around the ship join a global everyone up it [TS]

00:58:45   was felt like pac-man frankly these these these circular monsters are [TS]

00:58:50   rolling around the hallway eating everybody like the pellets and the [TS]

00:58:53   monsters are exactly the right size of all of the hallways in the spaceship [TS]

00:58:57   like me if you made your always two feet shorter bigger problem anywhere let's [TS]

00:59:04   get to be lucky for the video games and you know what [TS]

00:59:06   menu just nailed on the head that feel like a sequence that it really does it's [TS]

00:59:12   also when the kind of thing that happens in movies are just really annoys me [TS]

00:59:16   happens which is you see these monsters with their tentacles grab and eat all of [TS]

00:59:22   these peripheral smugglers who were on board but then when one of the monsters [TS]

00:59:27   gradstein our main character [TS]

00:59:29   the magic of the script protects him from being eaten immediately and [TS]

00:59:33   suddenly the monster decide the column full I'm just gonna run away with this [TS]

00:59:37   person instead of just eating him as you would expect as you would expect the [TS]

00:59:42   month to do and I always feel like that's just cheap oh you've changed the [TS]

00:59:47   rules so that your main character is perfectly fine I have to say I quite I [TS]

00:59:51   really quite liked again because her character is perfect in every way I love [TS]

00:59:55   the fact that Ray doesn't try to fight the monster or find him like she's smart [TS]

00:59:59   enough to go look at the surveillance [TS]

01:00:01   and try to time it with closing the door on the tentacles I love that whole thing [TS]

01:00:05   and I super love that she doesn't bother to explain that she's saved his ass when [TS]

01:00:10   they get up again when it when when the door closes that was lucky and they keep [TS]

01:00:15   moving I love that little that little moment because her humility as well as [TS]

01:00:20   humor and yes but it's not even a humility it's a kind of pragmatism [TS]

01:00:25   pragmatism we gotta keep moving right there's no time to explain this even if [TS]

01:00:30   I want to take credit like not now I will talk about it later over beer or [TS]

01:00:33   something but we gotta go to get out of here now that I think about it that I [TS]

01:00:38   don't know if I'm reading too much into it but that doesn't have a nice occur [TS]

01:00:42   later in the film doesn't know when they come and save her and he doesn't say it [TS]

01:00:46   was my idea to come and save you it's chilly that tells her so it's almost [TS]

01:00:51   like but thats comes back doesn't he could have he could have said Jerry want [TS]

01:00:55   to save you and taken some credit but he didn't and someone else did it for him [TS]

01:00:59   yeah yeah it is it is it is a little bit of an echo but I I don't know if it's [TS]

01:01:03   intentional but I'm still gonna say that that whole sequence it is the part where [TS]

01:01:07   it feels like ok I'm on my second watch through you know as soon as all the [TS]

01:01:13   monsters escape the perfect time to go the battery back when this chase [TS]

01:01:18   sequences over even the shift in Felixstowe will ship it felt like it was [TS]

01:01:22   like my alien or something and it just it was it was it was a node is not part [TS]

01:01:27   of it was it was a strange part 1 the sportswear imagine that people do the [TS]

01:01:32   the recut you know they would cut it down to be much shorter I did like the [TS]

01:01:36   Millennium Falcon going into hyperspace with the monster suck sucking on the [TS]

01:01:40   front of it I couldn't wait to see what would happen as they fired up the [TS]

01:01:43   engines couldn't wait to see what they did to what was going to happen to it [TS]

01:01:46   that is an example of things are better when they just happen but you don't [TS]

01:01:52   focus on it so that is not a dramatic shot of the monster getting just plowed [TS]

01:01:57   through by the Millennium Falcon you just can't see it in the background as [TS]

01:02:01   does mouth that is over the front of the ship and then it separates so you know [TS]

01:02:05   what's happened you know they're just right through it [TS]

01:02:08   and i just i love that kind of stuff in movies like don't over focused on it [TS]

01:02:12   it's better if you just have a thing happen but don't give me all of these [TS]

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01:04:16   for an hour I will I will pick something from a light side list which I have to [TS]

01:04:20   mention complain about things [TS]

01:04:22   BB 8 [TS]

01:04:26   much better than expected I was a little worried from the trailer like here's a [TS]

01:04:31   robot that's made for toys but a holy crap is BB ate a horrible he's [TS]

01:04:37   absolutely adorable in every scene and I am totally sold on the decision to have [TS]

01:04:43   his little head rotate atop the ball body because when you watch it you [TS]

01:04:48   realize man this so much [TS]

01:04:50   animation as possible compared to something like r2d2 [TS]

01:04:54   you feel a lot of emotion from r2d2 you have a sense of him as a character but [TS]

01:04:58   BBA is able to remote through motion in a way that r2d2 c3po really isn't like [TS]

01:05:07   they are so much more limited in their movement but his ability to swirl his [TS]

01:05:10   little head around and and look in different directions it gives him such a [TS]

01:05:14   character and he is no cute cute such a softy gray tell you talk when you're [TS]

01:05:21   playing with Audrey when they're in the Millennium Falcon just shortly before [TS]

01:05:24   Han Solo arrives there is a scene that to me it pushes the edge of things but [TS]

01:05:29   but comes just short of going over my threshold for it but i i think maybe my [TS]

01:05:35   favorite little sequence in the movie is Wednesday and confesses to BB 8 that [TS]

01:05:39   he's not really part of the resistance gotta gotta go with me on this one I [TS]

01:05:44   can't we just can't you just tell us whether rebel bases and I just think [TS]

01:05:48   it's something that's really cute about that moment and I absolutely love winter [TS]

01:05:53   in gives him the thumbs-up and BB 8 sticks out his little lighter thing and [TS]

01:05:57   gives it a little a little his imitation of a thumbs-up that is right on the edge [TS]

01:06:02   of something that I would be if the movie was done less well but it just [TS]

01:06:06   came in under and I totally love that little sequence I i join the sequence I [TS]

01:06:11   think the little cigarette lighter thumbs up it was stretching it and maybe [TS]

01:06:15   that just just put a toke over the line for half a second game [TS]

01:06:20   everything came before it gives it cause it is a funny it is a funny little [TS]

01:06:23   exchange between the two is definitely a subjective moment like for you it's [TS]

01:06:28   slightly over the edge and for me it is fairly under [TS]

01:06:33   has barely under but it is saved by the fact that again it is so fast it is just [TS]

01:06:38   a split second that he does the little later thing and pulls it right back in [TS]

01:06:41   you know they focused on it too long is now this is no good but I absolutely [TS]

01:06:45   love that that was that was really great [TS]

01:06:46   some of the big things what did you think about new Vader Tyler ran I liked [TS]

01:06:55   him I thought I like too many was menacing with his mask I thought he he [TS]

01:07:00   was cool looking not over the top he looked like he looked real lucky look [TS]

01:07:04   like they were trying to make something that looked amazing they were just [TS]

01:07:07   making a quiet cool and standard villain when he was out of the mask and being [TS]

01:07:13   like you know just the dude I thought he was close to being a little beer young [TS]

01:07:20   Anakin Skywalker windy but he just he just acted well enough to get away get [TS]

01:07:26   away with a chance I like to I like him as a human as well I loved his temp I [TS]

01:07:30   love that he kept his lightsaber out and having his temper tantrums I like that [TS]

01:07:36   about him and I like that became his like but that moment with the storm [TS]

01:07:40   troopers walk around the corner and they realize he's having another one of these [TS]

01:07:42   tensions in this kind of back away was like one of the funniest bits of the [TS]

01:07:46   film was the thing that makes them forming as hell though the one storm [TS]

01:07:49   trooper put out his hand to stop the other one in the way to give a couples [TS]

01:07:53   walking along the street and wonder this is something that the other one doesn't [TS]

01:07:56   because they're talking about your hand to stop the other person than just a [TS]

01:08:00   little humanizing moment as you can imagine they're having some conversation [TS]

01:08:03   in their head communicators or whatever it is like a way to meet a buddy this [TS]

01:08:08   before we got official somewhere else right now so I did like him I'll say [TS]

01:08:17   something about the the final battle about it at the end though but I like to [TS]

01:08:22   do you like him I thought he was really well done and the thing that I kept [TS]

01:08:27   thinking which I was amazed by any case it's just the difference that competence [TS]

01:08:32   makes [TS]

01:08:33   is that this new Vader is an angst evader which is exactly the thing that [TS]

01:08:40   everybody complains about in the prequels that the actual Darth Vader is [TS]

01:08:45   an angsty kinda teenage character and the Chi Lorraine character feels that [TS]

01:08:50   he's he is in that same genre like his temper tantrums later in the movie I [TS]

01:08:56   think it's interesting that when the key is in a battle and he's really upset [TS]

01:09:00   he's I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice is suddenly very different [TS]

01:09:05   it's like he's lost control over projecting menace rate and he's he's [TS]

01:09:10   much more closer to a screeching edge of things are mostly you would expect a [TS]

01:09:14   teenager to be but it works it works and I think the reason it works is because [TS]

01:09:22   the actor and the costume are still able to project menace and I think the first [TS]

01:09:31   time he flips out is a really key scene when when there's always in Star Wars [TS]

01:09:37   like you don't want to be the officer who has to report to the darkside guy [TS]

01:09:41   that's not that nobody wants that job right now it's a terrible job much [TS]

01:09:45   throat choking in that situation but the first time you go through this very Star [TS]

01:09:50   Wars scene where the officer has to say oh we've lost the Droid and I think it's [TS]

01:09:54   great because it is stabbed wishes him is being really menacing that he he [TS]

01:09:58   trashes the console in front of him and then when the officer gives this [TS]

01:10:01   additional piece of information it's such a great shot of him using the force [TS]

01:10:07   to do not just force choke the guy but to pull him across the room to like [TS]

01:10:12   inches in front of his face and it's that kind of thing that gives it it [TS]

01:10:16   gives it menace and so it feels like ok he's not just throwing a tantrum because [TS]

01:10:21   things haven't gone his way is a he is furious and upset but he is also [TS]

01:10:28   dangerous and I think the actor actor does it really well and I kept looking [TS]

01:10:33   at the costume which I thought was a really great comparison to later because [TS]

01:10:38   it's so [TS]

01:10:40   slender in many ways like he he is a slender guy he doesn't have the same [TS]

01:10:46   kind of huge physical presence the Darth Vader does and I think that's a really [TS]

01:10:51   good choice for doing something that is similar but you have the same kind of [TS]

01:10:55   Darth Vader's feel but it is it's not the same and I just thought he looked [TS]

01:11:00   great in a lot of those scenes as much more slender character he's even just [TS]

01:11:06   wearing like this relatively light rope that doesn't even go all the way around [TS]

01:11:09   him it's just it was a great visual look and I also thought the voice was done [TS]

01:11:13   very well it was his his his voice over the way he spoke [TS]

01:11:19   reminiscent of Vater but not a mimicry and I think it was it was also done [TS]

01:11:26   really well that it it sounded like oh this is almost like a side effect of the [TS]

01:11:29   kinds of helmets that all of these people wear because I was aware that [TS]

01:11:34   when he spoke for the first time very shortly after they have the the female [TS]

01:11:38   general start stormtrooper talk and her voice is also distorted in kind of a [TS]

01:11:44   similar way and as his I feel like it almost establishes like oh he's not [TS]

01:11:48   doing the Darth Vader impression they're all just talking through helmets that [TS]

01:11:52   distort their voice and maybe it's the avid audio plugin they use all of these [TS]

01:11:59   people sound like this and I think that's a good choice to very soon [TS]

01:12:03   here and other character who sounds somewhat similar to him like it or not [TS]

01:12:07   doing a Darth Vader voice this is just what storm stormtrooper helmets are like [TS]

01:12:11   and he has a custom one I love that his mass blood was a bit dinged up well as [TS]

01:12:16   well like it was just the mask look lived in a distro it was it was perfect [TS]

01:12:21   I was really aware of that too that there were a few dings on the on the [TS]

01:12:23   front the front faceplate that this is perfect this feels like a real universe [TS]

01:12:29   think this is a guy who has used this mask over the course of time and it's [TS]

01:12:35   it's a real thing that has been around for a long time it is not straight from [TS]

01:12:40   the prop department even though it obviously is say the new the new coaches [TS]

01:12:44   are doing well what about the ok as I I mentioned I thought I was a bit [TS]

01:12:51   embarrassed by chance i load times [TS]

01:12:53   aside from the weird action sequence on that that spaceship I felt mostly the [TS]

01:13:01   script was actually pretty good and having him not do too much again if you [TS]

01:13:06   put that one action sequences side there's not much to say how many shots [TS]

01:13:10   of him running around he's in there were few there are a few where he's like [TS]

01:13:15   shoot his blaster and being a hero and I'm thinkin yeah when shooting your [TS]

01:13:19   blaster in being a hero is very different from running really don't show [TS]

01:13:24   an old man running for the most part I think that's a good decision that he he [TS]

01:13:28   is there he is doing things the one that to me is over the line is when he [TS]

01:13:32   doesn't even look and shoots a stormtrooper that to me was like I'm [TS]

01:13:37   hitting the no buzzer on that one [TS]

01:13:39   you should cut that half second because because how is that even possible right [TS]

01:13:44   is he just lucky going back again to think it think about something like the [TS]

01:13:49   the scene earlier in the movie when rain and Finn are escaping on new Tatooine in [TS]

01:13:56   the Millennium Falcon which is a great great fight sequence and she's flying [TS]

01:14:01   from the inside of one of the crash star destroyers and the gun get stuck and she [TS]

01:14:05   pulls on this amazing maneuver where she know she flies through and and shuts off [TS]

01:14:09   the engine at just the right moment and turns the whole ship to line up the gun [TS]

01:14:14   with Thai fighter so that finding the back and shoot the gun and hit think [TS]

01:14:18   that that's seen in a Star Wars movie is believable because it's conveying to you [TS]

01:14:25   immediately that she is more sensitive [TS]

01:14:28   no one could pull off that maneuver like Han Solo couldn't have pulled off a [TS]

01:14:33   maneuver she's only able to do it because she is special I feel like a [TS]

01:14:38   game that that is again like the movie is telling you something about this [TS]

01:14:41   character is done really well we're as Han Solo just shooting a stormtrooper [TS]

01:14:46   without looking behind his back feels like it just feels done there's no [TS]

01:14:50   reason for it to happen it doesn't make any sense in the context of the movie [TS]

01:14:53   and after me it's it's over the line and I would if I always get out there like [TS]

01:14:58   no jeje abrams we're just gonna cut this it's it's two seconds it adds nothing [TS]

01:15:01   it's not actually that funny and it's a bit out of place [TS]

01:15:05   you bring up the Millennium Falcon I wasn't entirely pleased with the use of [TS]

01:15:10   the Millennium Falcon I thought they got a little bit comic book cartoonish with [TS]

01:15:18   it at times one of the things I like about this is a sort of feels a bit like [TS]

01:15:23   it obeys the laws of physics and you know if you're if you if you if your [TS]

01:15:29   plane crashes into a forest that's like bad rights and I feel like I feel at the [TS]

01:15:33   Millennium Falcon survived scrapes and landing incidents that the shuttle now [TS]

01:15:40   bagged up old ship so shouldn't survive and it was performing maneuvers that it [TS]

01:15:45   shouldn't be performing I thought the time when Ray flew on Dzeko was such an [TS]

01:15:50   amazing saying and so much fun that I kind of a kind of forgave the amazing [TS]

01:15:55   nimbleness it was showing flying inside a Star Destroyer I forgave that yeah and [TS]

01:16:00   and you point out showed that she said she had something special about her that [TS]

01:16:03   she could do that very implausible move of turning it off and turning it on [TS]

01:16:07   right before the impossibility is a plot point as opposed to just something that [TS]

01:16:12   is happening whereas seconds earlier when she tries to take off and it its [TS]

01:16:16   matches against the ground and then smashes into a building I agree with you [TS]

01:16:20   it feels like is there physics here because I'm pretty sure that things [TS]

01:16:24   should have been torn to pieces [TS]

01:16:26   the landing on the sly planner and coming out of hyperspace so close to a [TS]

01:16:32   plan and then landing on the planet the way they did like that just that was [TS]

01:16:36   like ok this is like this is not believable I didn't I didn't like that [TS]

01:16:41   and it also didn't feel necessary of a kind of saved why they did it with the [TS]

01:16:46   snow planet because otherwise you landed on the snow plan it would be like what [TS]

01:16:49   is then is there has been no freakiness required to get there [TS]

01:16:53   the movie won some reason why they and only vacant land and this maneuver is [TS]

01:17:00   the reason but it doesn't make sense when you think about it too long [TS]

01:17:04   yes I I don't think like it was all this talk about how you know thank goodness [TS]

01:17:11   Lucas didn't destroy the millennium pakistanis prequels and [TS]

01:17:14   and James will treat it with care and respect it deserves [TS]

01:17:18   I don't think it was treated with care and respect it deserves and I thought it [TS]

01:17:22   became it was used to match and it was used [TS]

01:17:26   into into his silly ways and I think it didn't do justice to the to the great [TS]

01:17:30   lady of the skies I get I can definitely agree with you there like the crash [TS]

01:17:35   landing in the forest it feels like I remember in a previous movie when ever [TS]

01:17:40   so slightly bumping against the inside of a Death Star ripped off a vital [TS]

01:17:44   component are we not in that same universe now we can just smash straight [TS]

01:17:50   through trees and it's fine it just seemed it does seem a little bit does [TS]

01:17:53   seem a little bit too much but speaking speaking of for sensitivity there is one [TS]

01:17:58   thing in the movie that then I really feel very strongly about is just a [TS]

01:18:03   terrible terrible mistake and it is near the end of his fans lightsaber battle [TS]

01:18:12   with our new character Tyler on yet and when I first watched the movie I really [TS]

01:18:22   didn't like this scene and I thought maybe I'm being too hard on it let me [TS]

01:18:25   watch a closer and in the second watching and I hate it even more on the [TS]

01:18:29   second rewatching I think nothing about that scene makes any sense it shouldn't [TS]

01:18:36   happen it's bad for both characters I just I love that lightsaber seems so [TS]

01:18:41   much is just the two of them in the forest before so this is yes this is [TS]

01:18:45   Vinh vs Chi lo ran in the forest its snowing which by the way on the [TS]

01:18:50   lightsaber fights in the in the snow in forest beautiful scene I love that they [TS]

01:18:55   get just it looks gorgeous let me say that is it's it's phenomenal but [TS]

01:19:01   haha why on earth can fin use a lightsaber competently it again against [TS]

01:19:09   someone who's already shown as he's pretty handy with the full yeah I know [TS]

01:19:13   he's injured by getting shot by chilly but it was still I think the movie was [TS]

01:19:18   trying to do because there was one done seen which actually makes me think of [TS]

01:19:22   indiana Jones which is the first time venues [TS]

01:19:25   the lightsaber is whether they visited the the man's character there on that [TS]

01:19:30   forest planets and the storm troopers have landed and he's out there he's [TS]

01:19:34   unarmed he has only the lightsaber [TS]

01:19:36   ok that's reasonable he's going to have to use a lightsaber in a situation [TS]

01:19:39   because he doesn't have a gun fair enough so he goes out to the field he [TS]

01:19:43   kills a stormtrooper but then another storm trooper in this in this moment [TS]

01:19:46   which made me laugh a little bit wasn't supposed to this other stormtrooper sees [TS]

01:19:50   him recognizes him goes trader and does this weird like throw down gesture where [TS]

01:19:55   he just drops whatever the heck is he's carrying can't even tell what it's [TS]

01:19:58   supposed to be on screen [TS]

01:20:00   and then he pulls out some kind of big electric baton to like wait a minute why [TS]

01:20:07   isn't this like Indiana Jones why don't you [TS]

01:20:10   stormtrooper just shoot him you like you have a gun while he's not going to be [TS]

01:20:16   able to deflect votes like Luke Skywalker yes he's not he's not a Jedi [TS]

01:20:20   you know he's not a Jedi [TS]

01:20:23   that fight scene was so dumb it's also really confusing because it was about [TS]

01:20:28   selling Tony Abbott what is this what is this weapon this storm trooper has that [TS]

01:20:34   is a melee weapon that light sabers can't cut through that you have this [TS]

01:20:38   weapon that is can go up against a lightsaber ok that's very interesting [TS]

01:20:42   and quite notable for thing that you're just going to casually have happen but [TS]

01:20:47   what I think the movie was trying to establish their [TS]

01:20:50   in the dumbest way possible had for some bizarre reason storm troopers have long [TS]

01:20:57   sword combat training that this is a thing that they have like I think that's [TS]

01:21:03   what the movie is trying to establish as setting it up for the lightsaber scene [TS]

01:21:08   at the end low will call me dumb maybe I did need some exposition their way he [TS]

01:21:12   says boy that's or training I've had over cause I completely missed that I [TS]

01:21:17   mean I don't know if it's intentional but that's that's my guess about what [TS]

01:21:21   the movie is trying to tell you but it's just implausible I i dont members of the [TS]

01:21:26   UN's armed forces I would love to know that I'm pretty sure that they train you [TS]

01:21:29   with guns and I'm pretty sure that they would train you in hand-to-hand combat [TS]

01:21:34   don't imagine there's a lot of fencing training going on in the USSR me and it [TS]

01:21:39   would make no sense for storm troopers to have that kind of training but OK [TS]

01:21:42   even giving this ridiculous premise that they're doing long sword fights at [TS]

01:21:48   stormtrooper Academy why on earth can he hold his own against Kyllo ran in a [TS]

01:21:56   lightsaber fight for even a fraction of a second [TS]

01:22:00   well enough ink on Iran's engine is in it that's what we're supposed to take [TS]

01:22:03   the men they keep emphasizing their cause he keeps like touching his wounds [TS]

01:22:06   and things so [TS]

01:22:07   I think they're trying to somehow justify it by saying this guy's right [TS]

01:22:11   he's you know he's right down on power mode we know that that's what they're [TS]

01:22:14   trying to do and then they're overly emphasizing that he is injured because [TS]

01:22:18   she shot him [TS]

01:22:20   button loosen the key is still clearly force capable why is this fight even [TS]

01:22:25   occurring why doesn't he just choked to death [TS]

01:22:29   here's the way the scene in my mind has to go it has to be a bit like the [TS]

01:22:33   Emperor at the end of the original trilogy who is electrocuting Luke and [TS]

01:22:40   he's electrocuting Luke because they're showing you like the Emperor is really [TS]

01:22:45   cruel and he gets enjoyment out of being cruel accuse you know he's not he's not [TS]

01:22:49   actually trying to kill Luke and it's taking a long time because the Emperor [TS]

01:22:53   is really bad with his lightning hands and he's he's doing it intentionally [TS]

01:22:57   really and soda me this this scene in the end the only way this this scene can [TS]

01:23:03   play out is if Kyle 0 Ren is just intentionally being cruel to fit in but [TS]

01:23:09   they I was watching you really closely like they play it as though it is a real [TS]

01:23:14   fight as though finn has some chance of winning and fan even land a blow right [TS]

01:23:20   heel hands of blow on Carlo ran and and I'm sending now this is book like this [TS]

01:23:25   this storm trooper he would just get his ass handed to him no matter how wounded [TS]

01:23:32   Tyler Ennis like this should not be a fight and it irritates me because if you [TS]

01:23:36   like it diminishes other lightsaber fights and it diminishes raised [TS]

01:23:43   competence in using the lightsaber moments later any stormtrooper can just [TS]

01:23:48   pick up a lightsaber and hold off hold their own for a little while against a [TS]

01:23:53   very poor sense of individual no no you shouldn't even have Mughals using [TS]

01:23:57   exactly that's that's precisely what is the only person on solo trying to save [TS]

01:24:05   lives life on the outside with some amazing to see heads I'll even turn on a [TS]

01:24:11   light sabers icon he knows where the on button is exactly [TS]

01:24:14   exactly so that's if there's any if there's any genuine real I have a [TS]

01:24:19   problem with this movie [TS]

01:24:21   seen it is it is that light saber fight I just irritates me your teeth me a lot [TS]

01:24:26   again because ray and the actors and like that seen with the two of them [TS]

01:24:31   fighting is a great scene in the thing that's actually irritating about it is [TS]

01:24:36   that when you watch that fight Kyllo ran when he goes up against Ray she is on [TS]

01:24:41   the defensive for most of that fight but he is really pushing her back she is [TS]

01:24:46   running and she is barely holding her own for most of that you see that's not [TS]

01:24:51   my memory of my mind I mean you've seen it twice so you're right but my memory [TS]

01:24:55   of that whole us actually I was disappointed by how strong she was from [TS]

01:25:01   the start I actually found that implausible that someone who's only just [TS]

01:25:05   discovered her for sensitivity and has never even switched on a lifesaver [TS]

01:25:09   before I know she's gotta stick but it was so good luck I thought I thought [TS]

01:25:15   that was implausible the whole finding kinda passed me by Audrey pay attention [TS]

01:25:19   but I thought I thought the spanking she gave Carlo read was implausible I [TS]

01:25:26   thought she should just scraped by in that fight that I thought she was [TS]

01:25:29   dominant the way the fight plays out is that for the first half of it he is [TS]

01:25:33   pushing her back and she is running and she's she's running away from him he [TS]

01:25:37   corners her and the end he has little moment where he offers her training [TS]

01:25:42   course and pushes the lightsaber up against righties pushing the lightsaber [TS]

01:25:48   against her and then presumably she does a little like force meditation thing for [TS]

01:25:52   a moment and gathers upper strength and that's when she then pushes back against [TS]

01:25:56   him which I agree that it's not my favorite thing in a movie where [TS]

01:26:00   character he's suddenly much more competent but it's ok I will let this go [TS]

01:26:04   but but that's why when she first picked up that lightsaber she's being much more [TS]

01:26:07   like a normal person who would be using it as a shield to deflect from incoming [TS]

01:26:13   blues and trying to put distance between themselves and like this for as wielding [TS]

01:26:17   maniac with his lightsaber you know but it is all he's perfectly capable in a [TS]

01:26:22   fight so that's what I just didn't it didn't like that at all [TS]

01:26:26   tell you what i don't i don't mean to get all mushy but that's saying when the [TS]

01:26:33   lightsaber comes out of the snow towards bypasses him and goes into her head and [TS]

01:26:38   then a little bit of Star Wars music place that check that checked me out [TS]

01:26:41   there was great I was absolutely I was like i was thinkin that was like that [TS]

01:26:52   was that was the emotional part the film was not bad I love it was a very it was [TS]

01:27:00   a very Star Wars shot very very much a Star Wars feeling was one of your big [TS]

01:27:08   bullet points at you when we gonna do with some of the really big things here [TS]

01:27:12   that whether it's ok let's do with one of the biggest things about and that is [TS]

01:27:17   the really obvious obvious way in which the force awakens and has incredible [TS]

01:27:27   coincidence as with the first yeah I mean you've got you've got the desert [TS]

01:27:34   the desert orphan a lonely person finding the Droid has the secret map and [TS]

01:27:39   plans and then you've got that person meeting up with him so low and she [TS]

01:27:42   backer and having some adventures and then you've got the big siege on the on [TS]

01:27:48   the big spherical planet destroy at the end I mean it was the movie should be [TS]

01:27:53   called Star Wars a new hope to yeah it was it was almost like a reboot in some [TS]

01:28:00   ways I know their differences and I know it took some stuff from attended the [TS]

01:28:03   Jedi and new hope in kind of match them together but it was almost because it [TS]

01:28:09   was like and I'm not saying this is a bad thing maybe this is a good thing but [TS]

01:28:13   it's almost like there's only one story to be told [TS]

01:28:16   like Robin Hood that's that's how many ways can you tell the Robin Hood story [TS]

01:28:19   is that is that what is that what we like about it is this is this is this is [TS]

01:28:24   a remake rather than a sequel it's an interesting question because the movie [TS]

01:28:29   is remarkably close to a route that reboot or remake [TS]

01:28:36   I was gonna say almost embarrassingly so but I don't mean it in a way that the [TS]

01:28:40   film and it's not embarrassing but almost like it's like a big elephant in [TS]

01:28:43   the room it's like it's like you want to turn to the person next to say he saying [TS]

01:28:48   this are you noticing history because this is exactly what happens and it's [TS]

01:28:53   just different people acting up yeah it's always different people have [TS]

01:28:57   different have some of the same people there admiral a car how are you doing I [TS]

01:29:04   guess your fish species lives a remarkably long time ok there's a bunch [TS]

01:29:09   of that which is is it's so it's so similar it's it's quite remarkable it's [TS]

01:29:17   quite remarkable the force moves in mysterious ways maybe it's so what do [TS]

01:29:21   you think do you think that's ok well obviously I do cause I liked the film [TS]

01:29:24   it's kind of an original but maybe I just don't mind that I mean I could [TS]

01:29:28   watch I could watch ten different robin hood movies you know I love you know out [TS]

01:29:34   classic tales around classic tales and send Star Wars original trilogy has [TS]

01:29:39   become an old classic timeless become a myth and we love watching a miscarry [TS]

01:29:44   versions time and time again and maybe that's maybe that's what's happening [TS]

01:29:47   before our eyes here it's sort of a revision of the myth with a few of the [TS]

01:29:52   things that's weird is it so obviously connects with the original as well you [TS]

01:29:55   know they talk they reference the original films obviously you know what [TS]

01:29:58   happened back in the day so [TS]

01:29:58   happened back in the day so [TS]

01:00:00   that's that's where that line becomes very blurred but it's kind of like did [TS]

01:00:05   you not have a new story like did you just could not think of a new story did [TS]

01:00:09   you deliberately use the old story aid are you doing it because you think that [TS]

01:00:14   would tap into a nostalgia are you doing it because you think this is maybe the [TS]

01:00:19   way the force works and there's this kind of poetry it runs things going on I [TS]

01:00:25   mean I don't I don't know I don't know if that's your little reference there is [TS]

01:00:29   precisely what I was thinking through watching the whole movie the first time [TS]

01:00:33   is in the red letter media reviews of the prequel movies they have a couple of [TS]

01:00:38   shots of George Lucas behind the scenes saying this line about how he wants the [TS]

01:00:42   prequels to be like poetry and to rhyme with the original trilogy that he thinks [TS]

01:00:49   it's okay for similar things to happen because this is his idea of storytelling [TS]

01:00:54   and red letter media really just slams him on this just again and again because [TS]

01:01:00   it's just terrible those movies absolutely terrible and so I was [TS]

01:01:04   watching watching this movie and thinking I kept hearing Lucas in my head [TS]

01:01:08   going it's like poetry it runs this time I am ok with his father isn't it [TS]

01:01:14   bothered me a little bit on the first watching but today when I want you to [TS]

01:01:19   second time which now means I mean how many times have I seen a story where a [TS]

01:01:23   gigantic planet rowing machine blows up in my life [TS]

01:01:25   many many times and on the second watch through it it bothered me much much less [TS]

01:01:31   I couldn't even really think about how this is exactly like a new hope again [TS]

01:01:34   and it's just a thing again goes to the the lesson high competence makes all the [TS]

01:01:41   difference does it really matter what the story is any story can be [TS]

01:01:45   interesting if competently executed and a great story can be terrible if poorly [TS]

01:01:52   executed now what I wonder though is why I think this has to have been a [TS]

01:01:57   deliberate decision that they were going to essentially redo a new hope that cut [TS]

01:02:04   not have noticed but i think is this is probably [TS]

01:02:10   probably a good decision if you know you have competent people on board because I [TS]

01:02:16   mean we now have Disney owns the intellectual property to start wars and [TS]

01:02:22   so we know that there will be no shortage of Star Wars films in the [TS]

01:02:27   future [TS]

01:02:27   Disney has made remarks about this damn plans to do big movies and small movies [TS]

01:02:31   very much like the way the Marvel universe is unfolding in in movies and [TS]

01:02:35   TV shows now so there's going to be a lot more Star Wars and I think it's it's [TS]

01:02:41   fine for this one to be a kind of remake of the older movies establishing that [TS]

01:02:52   Star Wars feeling like yes people like that are more inclined to like this [TS]

01:02:56   movie because its matching up with things that we know you already like its [TS]

01:03:00   fine as long as from here on the feel that they can do more different things [TS]

01:03:09   so if the next movie starts out on an ice planet and someone gets frozen in [TS]

01:03:15   carbonite halfway through then I'll be concerned then I'll be like ok I see [TS]

01:03:21   where this is going and I like it a lot less but but my feeling on this is [TS]

01:03:24   you've established this Star Wars II feeling with a new characters with new [TS]

01:03:30   characters and you cast a new world and it's going on and we're going to [TS]

01:03:34   continue from here [TS]

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01:04:09   Schroeder the first book is called son of son's it's perhaps one of the most [TS]

01:04:14   imaginative settings I'll come across yet for a science fiction book this is [TS]

01:04:19   going to sound a bit weird to describe it but it totally works the book takes [TS]

01:04:23   place inside of a closed sphere decoding in outer space that is filled with air [TS]

01:04:31   and there are new planets on the inside so humans in order to live inside this [TS]

01:04:36   gigantic solar system [TS]

01:04:39   sized fear they have to build what they call town wheels basically big cylinders [TS]

01:04:46   that rotates to give them [TS]

01:04:47   artificial gravity and for reasons that the book gets into later on it seems [TS]

01:04:52   like technological progress is limited [TS]

01:04:55   inside this gigantic fear it's just such a weird setting and I liked it as a [TS]

01:05:01   science fiction book because it constantly deals with the setting like [TS]

01:05:04   the very fact that people are living in this big open air solar system has a lot [TS]

01:05:09   of interesting consequences I don't want to say too much that is a spoiler but so [TS]

01:05:14   if you want to just quickly jump ahead at 10 seconds I will say one thing to [TS]

01:05:17   try to sell the book which is that it is a very interesting take on post [TS]

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01:05:27   really dwell on the singularity but it does sort of incidentally make reference [TS]

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01:06:02   another big picture thing to hear because you know a lot of people who [TS]

01:06:08   don't like the prequels myself included always say they use of you know robbed [TS]

01:06:13   me of the glory of these films that I loved when I was a child I think in some [TS]

01:06:18   ways this film has robbed me of even more interesting because the final say [TS]

01:06:26   in return of the Jedi is a very pleased burned into the memory of any young [TS]

01:06:30   person isn't that there around the fire there happy the empire is vanquished [TS]

01:06:36   you're full of hope and your imagination can run wild of Luke Skywalker becoming [TS]

01:06:43   this great Jedi and happily ever after and had a layer of finally together [TS]

01:06:46   forever like we always wanted them to pay and everything [TS]

01:06:50   everything's gonna be good and now we know that that's not what happened later [TS]

01:06:57   became estranged hand was due to die this terrible death some point in the [TS]

01:07:01   future in these terrible terrible circumstances we know that Luke went off [TS]

01:07:06   the rails and became this crazy unhappy so it's like all of that niceness I have [TS]

01:07:12   at the end of the chain of the Jedi where I can stream of dream about what [TS]

01:07:16   happened next and come away with this warm feeling is gone now like now [TS]

01:07:19   whenever I watch that final scene Return of the Jedi [TS]

01:07:22   look at them around the fire and go if you guys know what's coming next you [TS]

01:07:25   would look so happy that is such a brady way to look at the end of a movie just [TS]

01:07:32   sitting there thinking everything's going to be great from now on when I [TS]

01:07:36   watch when I watch the end of July I I feel I can feel happy for them having [TS]

01:07:41   won this battle but I always had the feeling of cicada what what happens next [TS]

01:07:46   and what I don't expect to happen next is just a party on Endor for all of high [TS]

01:07:52   but that's not what course of course but that's not what we return of the Jedi is [TS]

01:07:56   Return of the Jedi isn't supposed to be another yet another battle one it's the [TS]

01:08:02   end of the war the first two films are a series of battles they they win a battle [TS]

01:08:08   they lose a battle they weren't about to lose about you and then at the very end [TS]

01:08:11   they win the war and that is what is so beautiful everything [TS]

01:08:15   everything has you know that's what's so warm about the end of this series but [TS]

01:08:20   now we learned no they didn't it was just another battle another bloody star [TS]

01:08:25   planet blowing up things gets bill yet again they've got a jump in their ex [TS]

01:08:30   wings and shooting in its magic belly button where you can blow it up is this [TS]

01:08:37   just gonna happen for all of eternity blow-up blah podesta build another one [TS]

01:08:42   block and esta build another one to borrow a phrase from other franchise all [TS]

01:08:47   of this has happened before and all of this will happen again that that that is [TS]

01:08:51   a little bit that feeling but that's also why as we mentioned before I [TS]

01:08:55   actually do find the absence of the macro it's a bit of a problem for this [TS]

01:09:01   movie because it does feel like what happened after that that ending in Jedi [TS]

01:09:08   in now what government is going on I really do think that that is a bit of a [TS]

01:09:14   missing connecting piece and I am I am fine and expect the notion that there is [TS]

01:09:19   continued adversity in the future but there is there is a disconnect between [TS]

01:09:25   what happened then and and what happened now why is laying in this resistance as [TS]

01:09:32   opposed to the other government that that for me is the problem I can [TS]

01:09:37   understand what you're saying that you feel like you have been robbed of the [TS]

01:09:43   happy ending from the from the end of the movie but I i don't i don't [TS]

01:09:47   necessarily have to have that same feeling I don't get me wrong I can and I [TS]

01:09:54   would rather have the force awakens than nothing because you know we straying [TS]

01:10:02   into Godfather three territory here do you know I've never seen any of the [TS]

01:10:06   godfather [TS]

01:10:07   ok let's do that another time cuz I'd love cause I didn't watch The Godfather [TS]

01:10:13   movies for a very long time and then when I finally did I was like oh my god [TS]

01:10:16   what did I do this years ago so maybe that's a maybe that's an assignment for [TS]

01:10:21   another day but that the future show would do that the night we do a chick [TS]

01:10:25   flick slumber parish [TS]

01:10:26   anyway so I mean you know the Godfather three famously is this third movie that [TS]

01:10:33   a lot of people which wasn't mad cause the first two are so perfect and yes [TS]

01:10:37   even I have ever seen the Godfather movies I know that this is the [TS]

01:10:40   reputation of God yeah but you know I think he's still a really good film and [TS]

01:10:45   kind of [TS]

01:10:46   would I rather have a third film just say there's another one I can wash or [TS]

01:10:50   would I prefer they never touched this sacred cow of the first two films and [TS]

01:10:55   maybe that's the case here but I think after the prequels are made for [TS]

01:10:59   selection was almost needed to sort of to save face to cleanse the womb but [TS]

01:11:06   would it be better [TS]

01:11:07   would it be better if we could go back in time that we just had those first [TS]

01:11:10   three Star Wars films made and nothing else no prequels not even all the other [TS]

01:11:15   ancillary stuff would have been nice untouched little nostalgic perfect thing [TS]

01:11:21   and the more interesting question if you ask yes would you rather have the [TS]

01:11:26   original three and nothing else I mean obviously if you could erase the [TS]

01:11:32   prequels from existing you would but is the prequels [TS]

01:11:36   paying the price of the prequels is that worth it to get what is coming in the [TS]

01:11:40   future [TS]

01:11:41   well that that depends on what the rest of the movies look like yeah I'm an idea [TS]

01:11:44   I guess I guess we can only sit and watch those first three films so many [TS]

01:11:47   times but with many many times over the course of life [TS]

01:11:52   can I say what do you think of the name stop killer for that thing is that what [TS]

01:11:57   they actually called it's called stock color isn't there to use it once and I [TS]

01:12:03   think they deliberately use it once they realize I mean Luke Skywalker was [TS]

01:12:06   originally gonna be cold Luke stocker wasn't he in the first script so I think [TS]

01:12:10   it's also nice to be a little not too late maybe but but I think it's [TS]

01:12:15   beautiful I'm now and I do have problems with that weapon I don't have problems [TS]

01:12:19   with the big bad weapon that name is literally a description of what the [TS]

01:12:23   weapon does since it sucks up a son and shoot out other planets I know times [TS]

01:12:28   change and I know this is thirty years later but there have been some [TS]

01:12:32   incredible advances in technology that we were made privy to the original star [TS]

01:12:37   was if they can now if they can first convert a planet into a weapon and then [TS]

01:12:43   a weapon that's capable of setting up a start shooting at I mean this is [TS]

01:12:47   sounding a lot more Star Trek and Star Wars yeah that's a good that's a good [TS]

01:12:50   point there's something about that weapon that is very Star Trek ceiling [TS]

01:12:53   and it it it don't have the resources in the technology does be like in the next [TS]

01:12:58   movie is is this scrappy scrappy first order going to be building Dyson Sphere [TS]

01:13:04   yeah yeah I use his perpetual motion lights it was implausible weapon as this [TS]

01:13:14   upping the ante and and they do have that one shot which is the literal the [TS]

01:13:19   literal upping the ante when the doing the debriefing I mean there's this move [TS]

01:13:22   that movies do which is always remarkably effective but I'm still is [TS]

01:13:26   aware when they do where you have the characters call out something that's [TS]

01:13:30   happening in the movie to make it less implausible and somehow when the [TS]

01:13:34   characters acknowledged it you just much more willing to let it go [TS]

01:13:37   someone like always another death star and they go oh no look the Death Star [TS]

01:13:42   was this big London double-decker buses on top of each other to [TS]

01:13:50   infographic moment and and the most the most calling out of luck we know exactly [TS]

01:13:57   what we're doing is when Han Solo has to say is there a way to blow it up there's [TS]

01:14:02   always a way to blow it up [TS]

01:14:03   and it does it does like a city does kinda work in movies when they do that [TS]

01:14:08   but it is also an acknowledgement of like we know exactly what we're doing [TS]

01:14:11   that we have to tell you that the Death Star it's it's a bigger and I wonder if [TS]

01:14:17   there's a way to blow it up there always is that the other night the other great [TS]

01:14:21   line that has that kind of steps out of the movie for a second and winks the [TS]

01:14:25   movie but was so good was when vince says he was going to do something to get [TS]

01:14:29   it used the force and head so that's not have the force works that was a good [TS]

01:14:38   yeah that works really well it worked really well give you the first there is [TS]

01:14:48   no one knows what the forces but it definitely doesn't work like that so you [TS]

01:14:54   didn't know Han Solo was going to die I did not see at what point did you [TS]

01:14:59   realize it was about to happen and how did you feel when I happen cause I [TS]

01:15:02   missed out this gas moment ok well here's the problem even though I wasn't [TS]

01:15:07   spoiled there are things that happen in movies that Telegraph so clearly what is [TS]

01:15:12   going to happen [TS]

01:15:12   yeah I mean that clearly had that and when they're there this is again is one [TS]

01:15:18   of these cases of exposition irritating the crap outta me and exposition kind of [TS]

01:15:23   ruining something that's coming up which is when we are talking about planting [TS]

01:15:28   all the detonators and you know the place they have to blow up so the whole [TS]

01:15:32   thing blows up the place of no guardrails yeah they are going to paint [TS]

01:15:37   these detonators and his two things that immediately happens which is one con [TS]

01:15:41   suggest a plan she makes a sound and Han says oh that's much better I'll go down [TS]

01:15:46   there you go up there is little warning sign number one in your brain that [TS]

01:15:51   they're drawing attention to things might have gone a different way but [TS]

01:15:55   they're not going to be there's no reason for that to happen in scraps [TS]

01:15:58   but the real thing which is just ok is that high and then has to say too chewy [TS]

01:16:05   here you take the detonator and it just bothers me because we've already [TS]

01:16:10   established earlier in the movie on so literally says my friend has a bag full [TS]

01:16:15   of explosives why don't we [TS]

01:16:16   that I would presume that she has the detonator but as soon as you're drawing [TS]

01:16:20   attention to someone having the detonator at that moment was like ok so [TS]

01:16:26   there was going to die within the next three minutes you just know it's going [TS]

01:16:30   to happen you just know what's going to happen and then when Finn enraged [TS]

01:16:34   arrived at the convenient point at the viewing window to watch everything [TS]

01:16:37   unfolded at New Hope mirror you know where everyone arrives at the one place [TS]

01:16:41   just in time to watch out here I get lightsaber exactly so I don't I don't [TS]

01:16:47   mind if in and rain arriving at the balcony viewing and I don't mind the [TS]

01:16:53   dramatic no guardrails ladder empty space like man they have the worst [TS]

01:17:01   health and safety standards at all these Empire basis I don't mind that because [TS]

01:17:06   it's it's setting things up its fine but the little line about the detonator just [TS]

01:17:10   irritates me more because is there anybody in the world who would have been [TS]

01:17:14   super confused when she ran out and took out a little thing and press the button [TS]

01:17:20   and it exploded [TS]

01:17:21   is there anybody who would have gone how did he make that explain where did the [TS]

01:17:26   10 metre come from Nike has the bags full of explosives I presume the [TS]

01:17:31   detonator is in there why movie do you have to draw attention to this in such a [TS]

01:17:35   way that so clearly Telegraph's what's coming up on the figures could have been [TS]

01:17:40   on a time as well for goodness sake no one cares [TS]

01:17:43   blows up yeah it doesn't matter that that's another way of doing it just have [TS]

01:17:47   it be on a timer [TS]

01:17:48   side note here I absolutely love that they use the same little sound effect [TS]

01:17:52   for the bombs that was in the original movies like there was a lot of little [TS]

01:17:55   details with the sound work on this movie that I just loved and there was [TS]

01:17:58   some bombs in the original trilogy is in the clearly went back and got the exact [TS]

01:18:02   same sound effect use for these bombs of the little charging up or you know when [TS]

01:18:05   they press the button to get it ready so I did you know someone cared making this [TS]

01:18:09   movie I like that then for goodness sake great can I just take issue with one [TS]

01:18:12   would you keep using then and I know you're using it correctly and I'm [TS]

01:18:15   probably not you keep talking about competent and competence [TS]

01:18:19   I think if you say someone had a competent job you're saying they did [TS]

01:18:22   enough I think the people that made this film will be on competent I think they [TS]

01:18:27   were very good at making films yeah yeah yeah the reason I keep using competence [TS]

01:18:31   is because I'm really comparing it with someone who was quite incompetent that's [TS]

01:18:37   that's why I'm phrase I'm not saying that they hit only competence you know [TS]

01:18:41   they they weren't complicate the competence is if you have to fill up a [TS]

01:18:46   glass to get to excellent right they did a great job and then by definition the [TS]

01:18:51   glass has to be filled up to at least competence [TS]

01:18:53   else didn't didn't hit that mark the guy that invented all the meadow possible [TS]

01:18:58   basically yeah exactly so even knowing it's clearly Telegraph's Han Solo is [TS]

01:19:06   going today and also I mean you can if you know anything about the background [TS]

01:19:11   Star Wars you know that Harrison Ford is kind of a grumpy guy who was weirdly [TS]

01:19:17   accidentally a famous actor and seems really grumpy about the whole thing and [TS]

01:19:22   who also had some arguments with George Lucas about whether or not Han Solo [TS]

01:19:26   should die in Return of the Jedi that he was very strong on the opinion that Han [TS]

01:19:31   Solo should die at the end of that movie so it it feels like Harrison Ford [TS]

01:19:37   definitely once to test out in a dramatic way if you possibly can lead it [TS]

01:19:41   was his previous goals so it's not surprising that he dies in this movie at [TS]

01:19:46   that scene was really well done and another emotional point I thought there [TS]

01:19:52   was a real little of real little gut punch is when he calls out then to get [TS]

01:19:58   his son's attention that is exactly the kind of thing that might seem like an [TS]

01:20:04   inconsequential spoiler if you knew it ahead of time but in the context of that [TS]

01:20:09   seemed to me that is actually the important review of this is like ok I [TS]

01:20:15   know hun solo is going to die here but that that extra kick in the gut of they [TS]

01:20:21   named their son Ben that that ads like this emotional emotional piece to do [TS]

01:20:27   that seems I thought that was that was a really nice way of adding something to [TS]

01:20:33   that then seeing that you know is going to play out in a certain way [TS]

01:20:36   how did you how did you feel about that scene yeah I had a much bigger part in [TS]

01:20:41   the film than I ever expected [TS]

01:20:42   yeah me too I was very surprised at that yeah they they certainly got their their [TS]

01:20:46   pound of flesh out of him before they they did away with him you know [TS]

01:20:51   obviously the opposite of luke hasn't hasn't earned his wages yellow thing I [TS]

01:20:56   was actually wondering because in in the unions in hollywood unions the teaching [TS]

01:21:00   very differently if you're someone who has spoken line of dialogue if you're [TS]

01:21:04   not or if you're not I was kind of wondering about that about Mark Hamill [TS]

01:21:07   ago he doesn't say a single word I wanted to get people it's because I'm [TS]

01:21:12   hoping he'll have something to do in the next film but yeah I was was a ride with [TS]

01:21:17   him tying I kind of I'm not I say why we've got the old actors back and I hope [TS]

01:21:22   they do something also with Luke Skywalker but I have to say the return [TS]

01:21:27   of all these out characters has left me a bit colder than I thought it would [TS]

01:21:31   come and say 3 p.m. I think I could have done without him all he did was annoying [TS]

01:21:41   me and get him out of there you know and I've got this radar now set to sell more [TS]

01:21:47   toys I can only assume that new toys but but it's funny you mention that because [TS]

01:21:53   the C three be 0 appearance with wen Han and Leia meet again for the first time [TS]

01:22:01   presumably after years of estrangement and then C three be 0 pops into camera I [TS]

01:22:05   have to admit that kinda helluva laugh at me because I expected and I did not [TS]

01:22:10   know that c3po was in the movie like I had no idea just as a light note here I [TS]

01:22:18   went to the theater without ever having even seen the poster for the movie which [TS]

01:22:21   I was really glad because the poster actually gives away and so for me [TS]

01:22:26   watching it knowing nothing like the CCPO showing up was quite a surprise and [TS]

01:22:30   could not have been done in a better way I can just thought it fit just perfectly [TS]

01:22:34   with his character is famous for stopping them kissing isn't even things [TS]

01:22:39   like that I I like that it just worked out I kind of like the Red Army this [TS]

01:22:44   this notion that [TS]

01:22:45   he is both really vein and also doesn't understand the way humans perceive him [TS]

01:22:50   that he thinks he looks completely different with this with this red arm [TS]

01:22:53   but I also agree that there there was a little bit of a feeling for me was 33 P [TS]

01:22:59   O and r2d2 of do we need to we do we need these characters back I'm not a [TS]

01:23:09   hundred percent sure that we really we really do I'm sort of thinking on the [TS]

01:23:14   fly here but it might be a mock wrap up here I'd maybe the problem I had with C [TS]

01:23:20   three period being in this field is he is now tired by the prequels so he's [TS]

01:23:26   parties part of those so bringing him into this is a bit like unless he does [TS]

01:23:31   so many stupid things in those prequels like so many scenes that we won't even [TS]

01:23:34   talk about that it's a bit like Jar Jar Binks appearing it's a bit like having [TS]

01:23:42   memories of you know wrong heads on robots and bad puns and I'm thinking [TS]

01:23:47   about you know you're giving me flashbacks and not to the good films are [TS]

01:23:53   giving me flashbacks to the bad films so maybe it's that I feel like I feel like [TS]

01:23:58   it added it added little and you know and he's not like important he's not [TS]

01:24:04   important like so low and Luke Skywalker you let your your musical legends is [TS]

01:24:09   Luke Skywalker it's not like it's not like people thirty years later going oh [TS]

01:24:13   my goodness it's the amazing see 3 p.m. who'd helped with some translation so [TS]

01:24:18   yeah yeah I I see what you mean I do I get why is there not a big deal but it's [TS]

01:24:28   not a big deal because he's he's not a big character but I did have this little [TS]

01:24:32   bit of a feeling when it's actually are DDT was a really problematic character [TS]

01:24:38   in this movie but did feel when r2d2 wakes up and he has the rest of the map [TS]

01:24:42   for some reason it's it's a bit weird the dialog that happens there is that ok [TS]

01:24:46   r2d2 has the rest the map along with this but it is that there is a feeling [TS]

01:24:51   like ok we have three drugs now 100% sure [TS]

01:24:56   and and this feeling of I like you was surprised how much of a role on and lay [TS]

01:25:03   ahead in this movie because my presumption was they were going to have [TS]

01:25:08   a relatively minimal role and be handing over Star Wars to this next generation [TS]

01:25:15   of characters and I never really thought about CBO and r2d2 was being in the in [TS]

01:25:21   the subsequent movies and it looks like he's going to play some role in the [TS]

01:25:25   future of movie and obviously Luke is going to play some role in the future [TS]

01:25:28   movie and it begins to feel a bit like an ensemble cast of ok we have Leia and [TS]

01:25:33   we have Luke and we have r2d2 and we have seen 3 p.m. he feels a little bit [TS]

01:25:38   crowded like this I want more space for new characters like let's let's do new [TS]

01:25:43   things and I understand like BBA is very much and r2d2 new generation thing but [TS]

01:25:49   it's maybe that's why there's this feeling of how do we need our duty to [TS]

01:25:53   end BB 8900 you know I agree I mean I'm not too worried about the i mean [TS]

01:26:00   obviously look is gonna be this sage Ben Kenobi so I'm happy with him continuing [TS]

01:26:05   through the ages and Hensarling it basically does his hand over in this [TS]

01:26:10   film doesn't and I can imagine life is gonna probably be maybe just be some [TS]

01:26:13   non-action bureaucratic you know muscle type character who's just you know it's [TS]

01:26:20   a basin gives lectures so I don't think she's going to be a plug stuff up and [TS]

01:26:24   things like that so I'm not too worried with the integration of the humans but I [TS]

01:26:29   just feel like a safe appear just gets on my nerves now it's it's totally okay [TS]

01:26:36   because perhaps my favorite line of the movie not because of because of its [TS]

01:26:42   delivery not because of how entertaining it is not because of anything that the [TS]

01:26:46   line actually conveys except what it the director is expressed explicitly telling [TS]

01:26:52   you is when the new general and Kyler and are having this little argument over [TS]

01:26:57   the storm troopers and [TS]

01:27:00   and ran says maybe we should be using clone troopers instead of these these [TS]

01:27:08   regular army guys and the general is irritated he says oh no my my soldiers [TS]

01:27:13   are supremely well trained and we don't need a clone army to me that line is [TS]

01:27:19   like jay jay abrams looking directly at the audience and saying you know all [TS]

01:27:23   that stuff with the prequels forget it doesn't exist in this universe we don't [TS]

01:27:28   have clone troopers like none of that really really connects as I would be [TS]

01:27:32   shocked if anything to jeopardize has a real connection to anything that happens [TS]

01:27:37   in the prequels to feel like like that line really just closes the door and on [TS]

01:27:42   one side of of that door there's the original trilogy is and there's jeje [TS]

01:27:46   Abrams movie and on the other side of the door [TS]

01:27:49   out in the cold or the prequels and this movie is making that really official I [TS]

01:27:55   just love that they took their time dad and his line which makes no sense to [TS]

01:27:59   almost anybody who isn't a pretty big star Wars fan but they took the time to [TS]

01:28:04   have this little disagreement be like yeah there's no clone troopers you know [TS]

01:28:06   the whole thing that the prequels were about that they focused around yet we're [TS]

01:28:11   just doing all of that I mean I read that line differently in a few different [TS]

01:28:16   ways that I say that meeting as well how did you read originally though [TS]

01:28:20   well obviously thought it was being used to show there's an antagonism between [TS]

01:28:25   the two characters cause it's one of the first times we say that they are on the [TS]

01:28:29   same page as general as a general I think his name is not on the same page I [TS]

01:28:36   can also see it serving the purpose cause obviously those pic was credits so [TS]

01:28:39   much confusion as to the status of Stormtroopers phones are other humans so [TS]

01:28:44   I think the point was to say whatever you thought about the middle trilogy [TS]

01:28:49   about the status of Stormtroopers are they still closed have been humanize [TS]

01:28:52   whatever you thought this is what they are now the humans said don't be [TS]

01:28:56   confused about why Finn is a stormtrooper it doesn't look just like [TS]

01:29:00   the boba Fett [TS]

01:29:02   everything's alright relax I doesn't have a New Zealand accent you know he's [TS]

01:29:07   fine I thought it was more conscious dealing with a few possible points of [TS]

01:29:11   confusion and also I thought they setting up something for the future they [TS]

01:29:15   setting up something about clowns coming later but in hindsight I think there I [TS]

01:29:20   would I would be shocked if they ever bring the clothes back that's that's [TS]

01:29:25   running outline is delivering but I also agree that began as a minor point I [TS]

01:29:32   think it's really well done to show that the general and Kyler and are they are [TS]

01:29:38   on the same sort of level again it's it's it's very new hopi in that Darth [TS]

01:29:46   Darth Vader in that is part of this whole establishments but he's in charge [TS]

01:29:52   of it he's just another guy is working with the Emperor and I like this this [TS]

01:29:57   movie does the same kind of thing was like I love when you get this feeling [TS]

01:30:00   that he is working alongside the military but is partially out side of it [TS]

01:30:06   but neither of the two of them have direct command over the others like they [TS]

01:30:10   are each in charge of a different thing each working for forgot his name with [TS]

01:30:15   the new major said Lord [TS]

01:30:18   The Wizard of Oz something like that I S [TS]

01:30:25   speaking of this general Hawks I thought that was unless something's gonna change [TS]

01:30:32   which probably will I thought that was a bad piece of casting I like that actor I [TS]

01:30:38   like jim DeMint other stuff I thought he was the wrong man for the road and maybe [TS]

01:30:43   the bros gonna change and you become he's gonna grow into NBC to tonight but [TS]

01:30:47   at the moment I felt like he looks more like the work experience kid than the [TS]

01:30:51   person who would be in charge of all do you think you look too young I think it [TS]

01:30:55   looks too young and he just doesn't have an authority about him that like you [TS]

01:30:59   know grandmas and people that had he has been hard to beat that guy was awesome [TS]

01:31:06   yeah there's peter cushing but I think this guy doesn't doesn't have thought [TS]

01:31:13   and Dom Dom whole Gleason I think it might be I'm sure is is the actor and I [TS]

01:31:18   think [TS]

01:31:19   I didn't get up I like him as an actor when I heard he was in the film I saw [TS]

01:31:23   great he's co-director I'm sure he'll be really good but the road just seemed [TS]

01:31:27   incongruous to me that he had there and I thought that was my thought that was [TS]

01:31:31   amiss but maybe he's gonna something's gonna happen to him later his character [TS]

01:31:35   will go on a different journey that be more suited to the actors skill set but [TS]

01:31:40   at the moment I think they should have had someone with a bit more authority [TS]

01:31:44   inexperienced about ya see from me I think he worked I was worried when he [TS]

01:31:49   showed up because I have I have seen him mostly in an episode of black mirror of [TS]

01:31:55   course and I have seen him as the male lead in a couple of chick flicks and [TS]

01:32:01   he's a striking looking person you know it's him right away and but in all of [TS]

01:32:07   his roles I have found him to be a very good actor but when he did show up in [TS]

01:32:11   this movie my feeling was oh it's like i I was eventually sold on him in this [TS]

01:32:17   role as this character and the feeling that I have is that ok yes he's a little [TS]

01:32:22   young but maybe he is just extremely competent at what he is doing and when [TS]

01:32:29   he does his big speech to the to the soldiers which was a little weird say if [TS]

01:32:35   you ask me but when he does that he said was a bit independence and he supposed [TS]

01:32:39   to be given that stirring stirring speech that this sort of big moment to [TS]

01:32:43   kick off this finale just into didn't do anything for me I'm like I'm not feeling [TS]

01:32:50   that you don't have you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't come on me you [TS]

01:32:54   don't have the charisma for that you know didn't work but maybe maybe I was [TS]

01:32:59   having a sip of my coke at the time and not paying enough attention this is the [TS]

01:33:03   thing without ever everybody reacts differently to different characters that [TS]

01:33:07   I think I think he was fine until I was wearing when he showed up I think he did [TS]

01:33:10   ok where r is again as we've said many times the beginning please rate the [TS]

01:33:17   nominal job and I don't think Finn was the [TS]

01:33:21   know we had some clunky lines and the other character who like the pilot guy [TS]

01:33:27   we're super sold on him and this is something about this but I was [TS]

01:33:35   disappointed when the pilot showed back up later in the movie I think that he [TS]

01:33:40   should have died in the TIE fighter crash at the beginning I think that is a [TS]

01:33:45   much stronger start to the movie that you have this character they've built [TS]

01:33:52   him up to be a kind of smart ass kind of guy they've given him a little bit of [TS]

01:33:55   characterization and then he dies [TS]

01:33:59   passing on this mission to fit in and to bring him back later just feels it just [TS]

01:34:06   feels cheap and I don't think he was struck me some amazing actor I wasn't so [TS]

01:34:11   great this guy is is back I wasn't really in love with his character and so [TS]

01:34:15   I was I was disappointed at the scene where you're supposed to be like oh boy [TS]

01:34:19   that amazing pilot is back [TS]

01:34:21   ok I'm not entirely convinced his parentage won't be of some interest in [TS]

01:34:28   the subsequent films the pilots parentage [TS]

01:34:32   everybody's parentage is in question in the Star Wars yeah that's why I think I [TS]

01:34:37   think he you know he says they keep emphasizing the heat abnormally good [TS]

01:34:42   pilot and there are only two people I know who are really good powerless in [TS]

01:34:46   the Star Wars universe yea and they're both pretty important characters so I [TS]

01:34:52   dunno I think I think you know you're right it would have been it would've [TS]

01:34:54   been cool if it does really quickly but I don't think I think we might have had [TS]

01:35:02   a little girl action on the side there could be a few things that could they [TS]

01:35:07   and so yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure where he's going because he's like he [TS]

01:35:13   seems to be amake ekta for the film and yet he didn't really do much in this [TS]

01:35:16   film yeah he's obviously one of the three characters that are going to be [TS]

01:35:22   going on for the rest of the movies and he is one of those three and then my [TS]

01:35:25   feelings [TS]

01:35:26   and he hasn't he hasn't earned his place in that three so that makes me think [TS]

01:35:30   there's something more to him yet he hasn't earned his place and and also the [TS]

01:35:34   guy please finish up a few of his line deliveries were just not super great he [TS]

01:35:39   just the sounds really stupid BC quite short guy much of it doesn't seem to [TS]

01:35:45   have much of a presence that when he first came walking down the ramp up when [TS]

01:35:50   you go to be shipping he appeared and that when he can I was a bit like he's [TS]

01:35:55   sort of Lex Lex he lacks the physical presence of his kind of cop sureness [TS]

01:36:00   yeah the thing that's kind of reminded me is in Star Trek Voyager in the first [TS]

01:36:09   couple of episodes they try very hard to establish that their pilots is a similar [TS]

01:36:16   kind of thing that their pilot is an amazing pilots and he's this rebel guy [TS]

01:36:20   and they pulled him out of a prison due to have him do this special mission for [TS]

01:36:24   Star Trek Voyager and all of the characters are constantly talking about [TS]

01:36:29   how he is just like this badass pilots and the actor it just does not have that [TS]

01:36:36   characteristic he looks like he should be wearing a white sweater tied around [TS]

01:36:41   his neck and a pink color church just he just looks like a really crappy [TS]

01:36:47   upper-middle-class kind of guy yeah and and no matter how much you have [TS]

01:36:52   characters trying to tell me the Tampere is like some badass imprisoned was an [TS]

01:36:57   amazing pilot he just isn't and I totally agree with you that this this [TS]

01:37:01   pilot character whose name I don't even know this is kinda wanted to die in the [TS]

01:37:08   beginning is it that he does not he doesn't have that kind of on-screen [TS]

01:37:13   presence I talks the talk and I think he's kinda like his face in his hands [TS]

01:37:17   unlikely swagger but he just seems like a small it just seems like there's not [TS]

01:37:21   much of him he said I could be wrong I mean I agree about Tom Paris is always [TS]

01:37:26   supposed to be this action hero [TS]

01:37:27   and he always looks like a new look to be unseated in a but exactly but I don't [TS]

01:37:33   think I don't think this new character whatever is going to forget it suffers [TS]

01:37:37   from that kind of power responsiveness it's more a kind of I'm not saying its [TS]

01:37:41   responsiveness which is great but it's it's a similar kind of a lack of this [TS]

01:37:47   feeling of how you feel like a guy who could be an amazing pilot and but you're [TS]

01:37:54   a mean they do keep emphasizing it and another of these kinds of dialogue that [TS]

01:37:58   I didn't like it either end is is torturing him he says I had no idea we [TS]

01:38:02   had the best pilot in the resistance on board [TS]

01:38:04   why do you have to say that would anybody in real life say that I don't [TS]

01:38:08   think there and it was written in text for us which is which is which is also [TS]

01:38:12   but the fact they emphasized so much as were also made me think like also I [TS]

01:38:16   thinking I was he like the son of hand side alone or is he the son of Luke [TS]

01:38:20   Skywalker oh yes oh well I'm sure we'll be seeing much more of him but I always [TS]

01:38:27   with his wish that movies are neither did make a decision either you kill [TS]

01:38:33   characters or you don't [TS]

01:38:36   but the thing that I hate the most is the death faked out of characters and [TS]

01:38:40   that you know it always feels to me like you just rob you earlier scenes of of [TS]

01:38:47   any importance and it's become such a trip now to that mean did anyone [TS]

01:38:52   actually think he was dead surely not like it was a bit silly it would have [TS]

01:38:56   been a big twist if he was dead cuz it was Jay Jay Abramson jim says some [TS]

01:39:01   interesting things in movies sometimes I was actually running under the [TS]

01:39:04   assumption that he was dead and I thought wow what a relief but it might [TS]

01:39:07   have also just been some wishful thinking [TS]

01:39:09   you got you got double faced when he appeared back on screen great was the [TS]

01:39:15   only person the cinema [TS]

01:39:20   i mean i think is there is something really unremarkable about him because [TS]

01:39:25   even when they showed him in the in the X-wing when he flies back on I didn't [TS]

01:39:29   twig that it was him until fin delivers again that line like boy that guy sure [TS]

01:39:36   is an amazing pilot if I can see it I can see it on the screen you don't need [TS]

01:39:40   to tell me this speaking of breaking the laws of physics by the way when they [TS]

01:39:45   show human beings doing like maneuvers that would require reflexes and things [TS]

01:39:51   beyond what human can do like some of those little barrel rolls and tens I do [TS]

01:39:56   have problems with that to like it seems like a nice human like that would tear [TS]

01:40:00   human's body to pieces some of those turns and maneuvers that were being down [TS]

01:40:04   yet alone whether they have the actual cognitive ability to be thinking that [TS]

01:40:08   fast anyway this is always think it's it's it's how how far can they push [TS]

01:40:15   things before you feel like it's too far with it with some of the some of the [TS]

01:40:20   next week I didn't really think about that too much I just there is something [TS]

01:40:24   great about X-wing TIE Fighter fights it's just that it's a it's a pleasure to [TS]

01:40:29   watch again I love all the sound work on the TIE fighters they just have such a [TS]

01:40:33   particular sound that I love so one other thing I want to mention was just [TS]

01:40:41   thinking about this movie forrest was thinking about the dreaded prequels one [TS]

01:40:46   of the things I was really aware of watching this is in some of the opening [TS]

01:40:52   establishing sequence of this movie with rain her life and then on the desert [TS]

01:41:00   planet [TS]

01:41:02   CGI animals in the background that I couldn't help but notice because that of [TS]

01:41:07   course is one of the great scenes of the remade version of the prequels of just [TS]

01:41:13   like crap in the background just everywhere and i'm looking at the CGI [TS]

01:41:18   animals in the background of this movie and game just appreciating what a well [TS]

01:41:24   done movie can do because I was looking at them out [TS]

01:41:29   why don't these animals bother me and the answer is they're all there for a [TS]

01:41:35   reason and so the very first background animal that we see is in that silent [TS]

01:41:42   establishing sequence for Ray when she gets she's done with her scavenging she [TS]

01:41:47   gets back to town and she's pulling behind her on this led this little load [TS]

01:41:52   of stuff that she has scavenged and coming in the opposite direction is a [TS]

01:41:57   CGI animal pulling a way bigger load of scavenged stuff and this to me is it a [TS]

01:42:04   great example of that animal adds to the scene like a comment on her life that [TS]

01:42:11   she is there as a kind of beasts of burden doing this very manual labor and [TS]

01:42:17   this animal that is going in the opposite direction is at that moment [TS]

01:42:21   doing her job better than her because she's she's only able to carry so much [TS]

01:42:26   and it is carrying this enormous amount of stuff like that that just that one [TS]

01:42:31   little shot is the perfect example of how to add stuff that is atmospheric [TS]

01:42:37   without being distracting that animal has a reason to be in that scene it's [TS]

01:42:44   not just oh I wanna make this place look really busy an Alien and Aliens [TS]

01:42:49   everywhere baby animals everywhere [TS]

01:42:52   adding nothing doing distracting stuff sneezing when main characters are [TS]

01:42:56   walking into buildings it was it was just great and then the other the other [TS]

01:43:01   big CGI animals which is a very close to being George Lucas e but not quite with [TS]

01:43:06   the gigantic elephant thing that's drinking from the water but but even [TS]

01:43:10   that animal it's ok you can argue that it doesn't need to be there but it's [TS]

01:43:14   still add something to the scene because it provides a good reason why then is so [TS]

01:43:21   desperately thirsty that he's drinking the water hits obviously disgusting [TS]

01:43:25   because there's big giant disgusting creatures also drinking from it and then [TS]

01:43:28   it's the motion of that creature that distracts him for a moment so he sees [TS]

01:43:32   this this by taking place between ray and some other scavengers and said they [TS]

01:43:38   had to be just a just a great example of you want to have stuff in your [TS]

01:43:42   movie to show that it's an alien place that's great but it works when they are [TS]

01:43:46   doing things when they have a reason to be in the scenes just too many draws it [TS]

01:43:53   a tremendous example of the difference between like what george lucas does and [TS]

01:43:59   what a competent to do it was competence at its very best and even just any other [TS]

01:44:07   other very minor thing but just I love that in in those desert scenes the actor [TS]

01:44:12   playing Finn is sweaty [TS]

01:44:14   know why because they're really in a desert that he's really hot actually [TS]

01:44:20   somewhere you know they're not on a on a green screen they her filming out in the [TS]

01:44:25   desert in Abu Dhabi or someplace just it's a little thing like that just makes [TS]

01:44:30   it so real like this guy actually has sweat on his face because he is a really [TS]

01:44:34   hot wherever he is standing like thank you change abrams for building sets and [TS]

01:44:40   taking people places and and making it feel very real I mean the desert sayings [TS]

01:44:46   by far and away the highlight of the film for me or that the star of the film [TS]

01:44:50   along with the lightsaber in the snow in terms of visuals but that but the desert [TS]

01:44:55   not only is visually the most appealing part but it's also just the most [TS]

01:44:58   engaging powerful film like it was it was the highlight of the film a film [TS]

01:45:02   that I like all the bits of that was that was by far and away the best part [TS]

01:45:05   of the film for me let me ask about the end of the film so first of all there's [TS]

01:45:11   a question would they just send rate to go and make it look skywalker the person [TS]

01:45:15   they've been [TS]

01:45:16   everyone has been looking for for the last thirty years and they finally find [TS]

01:45:19   out where he is and they send the skills they've just met well you know chilis [TS]

01:45:24   with it I mean I understand maybe they want to keep a low profile but would you [TS]

01:45:27   not send like your best pilot or it doesn't it doesn't seem low profile when [TS]

01:45:34   you have everybody in the base cheering her on as she leaves him presumably [TS]

01:45:38   they're all cheering her on because they know where she's going she said that but [TS]

01:45:43   let's leave that to one side I mean I'm glad they sent over a decision what do [TS]

01:45:49   you think of that the end the final say no [TS]

01:45:51   we finally see Luke Skywalker and she holds out that lightsaber and I think [TS]

01:45:55   the movie should have ended three minutes earlier with her taking off and [TS]

01:46:00   flying in into space to go finally at the end of the end of empire [TS]

01:46:05   the pacing of the movie aside from the monster seen in never really felt slow [TS]

01:46:11   to me it never felt like ok slow down for a moment even when the scenes [TS]

01:46:16   themselves were slow the movie the peace always felt appropriate but that was the [TS]

01:46:21   only time where I felt a little antsy all of a sudden my seat is movie over [TS]

01:46:26   we're done right she's gonna go often and find the Skywalker ok that's great [TS]

01:46:30   felt like such a natural end to me that I was thinking I was going to say look [TS]

01:46:36   skywalker because there's such a good time to end and we haven't seen him so [TS]

01:46:39   obviously we're not going to say and then they like tagged arm ok we gotta [TS]

01:46:43   show you this is this is another example of where knowing anything is a bit of a [TS]

01:46:51   spoiler because even have a watch the first trailer my brain is always doing [TS]

01:46:55   the thing that I do when watches movies we're just taking off all of the scenes [TS]

01:46:59   like we haven't seen X wings flying across the water yet oh they're standing [TS]

01:47:03   at a place where there's a big lake I guess this is where the ex wings are [TS]

01:47:06   coming in just tick tick tick tick tick and simply knowing that Mark Hamill was [TS]

01:47:11   in this movie is a bit of the movie should obviously and here but I know [TS]

01:47:16   that it isn't going to end it it really feels to me like why do they have this [TS]

01:47:22   scene I think they have this scene so that Mark Hamill is involved in this [TS]

01:47:26   movie I think this this scene is here for reasons other than the pure [TS]

01:47:32   movie-making up it would have been a great bait and switch and they could [TS]

01:47:35   have argued he was in it because of his flashbacks exactly exactly I think they [TS]

01:47:42   easily be easily could have done that I just I dunno I really feel like that [TS]

01:47:45   scene was there because they wanted to have mark hamill involved in this [TS]

01:47:50   production and it was not there because it was the best way to end this movie [TS]

01:47:54   yeah I think you're probably right [TS]

01:47:57   that aside like once we accept ik they gonna do it I have to say I was not a [TS]

01:48:02   big fan of the final shot this sort of big aerial shot of the helicopter going [TS]

01:48:06   around the pinnacle showing the two of them it was the perhaps the one camera [TS]

01:48:11   shot in the whole film that didn't feel like a Star Wars movie yeah I agree it [TS]

01:48:16   felt like a BBC TV documentary with someone's doing a documentary about the [TS]

01:48:20   island and they should have this big shot with a presenter goes and here you [TS]

01:48:25   can see older coast that has been here and let it fail and was obviously in a [TS]

01:48:31   helicopter and it just didn't it didn't belong and I think the one of the [TS]

01:48:37   reasons this film feel so much like a Star Wars film is that change abrams [TS]

01:48:42   restrained himself and like although there is so much more creative with the [TS]

01:48:48   cameras then Lucas was he didn't go overboard like it's not quite as friends [TS]

01:48:55   because even the new Star Trek movies and other things it like it it did [TS]

01:48:59   retain an old-fashioned feel the camera moved a lot more than like in films that [TS]

01:49:05   was kind of a deliberate sort of space opera decision to say let's be a little [TS]

01:49:10   bit about school and traditions and there was no shot that was the [TS]

01:49:15   equivalent in star track of where Kirk realizes they are working into it [TS]

01:49:22   a trap and he runs through an enormous sets doing a whole bunch of stuff and [TS]

01:49:27   the cameraman is running behind him [TS]

01:49:29   yeah that that is a very JJA abrams feeling shots and has a moment from that [TS]

01:49:34   movie and they don't do that kind of camera motion anywhere in this and you [TS]

01:49:39   might be right that might be one of the reasons why does feel more Star Wars II [TS]

01:49:42   but yes that that's swirling camera shot at the end it did seem a little bit out [TS]

01:49:48   of place and I'll tell you having watched it twice the first time I saw [TS]

01:49:54   that scene it did feel a little bit like i mean that that whole scene where she [TS]

01:49:57   she's climbing up the stairs in Ireland and going to find Mark Hamill the first [TS]

01:50:02   time watching it it felt a little long as I obviously should have ended the [TS]

01:50:06   movie 2 minutes ago by the Hon tell you on the second watch through that is [TS]

01:50:11   going to be the part of the movie that just each of the worst because it feels [TS]

01:50:14   for ever on a second watch through and he do more cuts back and forth between [TS]

01:50:20   Mark Hamill and her looking at each other silently as she hold out that [TS]

01:50:24   lightsaber then you realize the first time you watch that movie it is way too [TS]

01:50:29   long if your gonna do that scene it even has to be half as long as it already is [TS]

01:50:33   it also felt a bit cheap which is an amazing cause I'm sure cost a bomb to [TS]

01:50:37   make but it just felt like a felt it felt like it was shot on a video camera [TS]

01:50:42   after they finish making the main film and I sent it they said some guy in the [TS]

01:50:47   video camera and in a helicopter and they didn't care for the Steadicam and [TS]

01:50:52   it it it's in congress and it's a bit weird at the end of these are weird [TS]

01:50:59   taste in your mouth is still a great film and everything but we still [TS]

01:51:02   definitely enjoyed about it that feels totally like the kind of thing that the [TS]

01:51:07   next movie could take care of imaginatively cut it when she flies off [TS]

01:51:11   into outer space [TS]

01:51:12   the next movie it picks up it does the scene and opening shots of a planet in a [TS]

01:51:18   spaceship in there and they kick off with some exciting thing if after that [TS]

01:51:22   point they cut to Ray being trained by Luke Skywalker somewhere in beautiful [TS]

01:51:28   Ireland is there anyone who's going to be confused is there anyone is going to [TS]

01:51:32   think how did that happen it's obvious she found him and she's being trained [TS]

01:51:37   now and who the hell cares about the exact moment they met you could cut that [TS]

01:51:40   whole thing you don't even need to do it in the second one a dramatic start to [TS]

01:51:44   the next film that the camera pans down to the two luk planner and the first [TS]

01:51:48   ship we say is the Millennium Falcon arriving at the planner [TS]

01:51:52   there many ways that you could do it and I just don't think you even need to show [TS]

01:51:55   this meeting happening so explicitly and that's why I just it really feel they do [TS]

01:51:59   some kind of hollywood political reason that this scene is there I can't imagine [TS]

01:52:02   anybody actually think that's the best way to end the movie because it's so [TS]

01:52:08   obvious that it should end with her going off into space it's such a natural [TS]

01:52:12   ending the other thing I want to talk about it if you would care to do this I [TS]

01:52:15   don't think [TS]

01:52:16   Council spoilers but do you have any kind of what will happen next thoughts [TS]

01:52:19   now like what what's going to happen why I mean it's impossible to know maybe [TS]

01:52:24   they don't even know for sure but what you think will happen next what you'd [TS]

01:52:27   like to see happen next is reagan a baby looks daughter if she hadn't layers [TS]

01:52:33   daughter and the brother of the sister of car they ran did note you can do I [TS]

01:52:39   will be avoiding spoilers to the next movie obviously but I'm also totally [TS]

01:52:43   happy to speculate that this is speculating without knowledge is [TS]

01:52:48   perfectly fine and I am vaguely operating under the assumption that the [TS]

01:52:52   most likely thing is that yes she she is the daughter of Hon and later like that [TS]

01:52:59   seems she's somebody's daughter right of importance there's there's not a reason [TS]

01:53:03   that they wouldn't mention it [TS]

01:53:05   yep and it's just there just seems like the likely case you know she's for [TS]

01:53:10   sensitive so it's either luk luk at a bit of an adventure or she is a mother [TS]

01:53:17   daughter and I believe in the extended universities that it is that that Luke [TS]

01:53:21   and Leia have a set of twins don't think their solution I had to end had twins [TS]

01:53:32   and they did they did yes and I'm pretty sure that the the Knights of ran that [TS]

01:53:38   the reference they make a movie is from the extended universe but the movie [TS]

01:53:42   seems to lean in that way to make you think this [TS]

01:53:44   that probably the better decision is to make her Luke's child in but that's what [TS]

01:53:51   the movies leaning towards I think if you're a Dumbo you'd be thinking that [TS]

01:53:55   she's links daughter has been waiting for Luke to come back I think the [TS]

01:53:58   hardened liar is the less obvious option which ironically that makes it more [TS]

01:54:05   obvious yeah but I lorraine has that line we explicitly says to her oh you [TS]

01:54:11   feel that that Han Solo is the father that you've never had [TS]

01:54:14   maybe that's the reason why that line is because it's actually that she's lose [TS]

01:54:19   the days like she's somebody's daughter its star wars the people going to be [TS]

01:54:22   related this is a family everybody everybody everybody somebody's daughter [TS]

01:54:26   have a minor guess which was put on the record now what's his name again the [TS]

01:54:32   boss of kind of something the wizard of oz [TS]

01:54:37   visit of US snoek I really I I really liked in his first appearance the [TS]

01:54:43   holograph figure out thing where they talking to him and he's huge and then [TS]

01:54:47   you realize how it's a hologram my prediction here is that in person he's [TS]

01:54:51   actually quite small and that he's basically that's almost a certainty that [TS]

01:54:56   has to be it has to be he's not going to be a normal sized duties going to have [TS]

01:55:00   to be a teeny tiny dude let's let the boat is prediction graders let me say I [TS]

01:55:03   predict what's gonna be lifesavers in the next few bold prediction I'm just [TS]

01:55:07   getting it on record is this is my speculation is confident gonna go [TS]

01:55:11   through the obvious redemption is it gonna be done at all over again where he [TS]

01:55:15   liked comes to the good writeup the end seems like could they would they have [TS]

01:55:19   the audacity to do that to be so obvious I hope not I think it the story [TS]

01:55:27   indicates that he won't because I think having him kill his father is quite a [TS]

01:55:33   thing to do on camera [TS]

01:55:34   the flip side of this the thing that slightly annoyed me is the whole pin [TS]

01:55:40   leaves the battle and it's his first battle ever and he's never killed [TS]

01:55:44   anybody that makes him it makes him too much like this shiny new minted penny [TS]

01:55:48   that landed on the battlefield I decided I want out of this later on in the [TS]

01:55:52   movies although idk I hate when I was like what what what were you doing as [TS]

01:55:56   far as I can tell you a guy he went through training and then bugged out on [TS]

01:56:00   the first opportunity that you didn't actually do anything [TS]

01:56:04   yeah but deserted from the evil empire but I think it makes his character a [TS]

01:56:10   little bit too squeaky clean but then this makes him go he is a good guy in [TS]

01:56:15   this universe because he's never killed anybody was much more interesting [TS]

01:56:19   character would be someone who has woken up from his programming over time and [TS]

01:56:23   and lessen the genuinely did bad things so if if that is the backstory they've [TS]

01:56:29   established for a good guy like we want him to be universally good and to be [TS]

01:56:33   entirely unblemished my feeling is that the reverse of that that having Kyler [TS]

01:56:37   and actually kill his father it makes him one redeemable at against unlikely [TS]

01:56:43   that they're going to do the redemption will see in a couple of years but I'd be [TS]

01:56:49   pretty shocked if they if they have a moment we're kind of friend turns around [TS]

01:56:53   I think they're going to keep up with him as an actual villain I don't know I [TS]

01:56:57   just don't know I think I think he will be turned around I don't think he'll be [TS]

01:57:03   bad for ever I do that I do like the little twist to the force thing where [TS]

01:57:09   he's like trying to push the light out like I know that's kind of what happened [TS]

01:57:14   at a theater but it wasn't quite it wasn't quite framed in that way it's a [TS]

01:57:17   bit like I what it's like I want to be dug in only the doctors takes over you [TS]

01:57:22   and you like give up and say oh I just gave up that's what that was done they [TS]

01:57:25   don't you know it's too late for me so I'm staying up got ink on my shirt [TS]

01:57:30   that's it you can't you can't claim marcia whereas he's like the opposite [TS]

01:57:34   he's like he wants to be dug and like he keeps having these light impulses that [TS]

01:57:38   he's like sign off gotta stop these luck impulses you know I wanna be a bad guy [TS]

01:57:42   got to stop this hankering to be good I thought let off on that really [TS]

01:57:47   interesting twist on the force [TS]

01:57:49   I like that as well I thought that was really nice this idea that there is late [TS]

01:57:52   temptation I wanna help that out ran across the street but I mustn't I must [TS]

01:57:58   admit I like that and also I just think it provides a tiny bit of [TS]

01:58:05   there is a couple I don't quite like in the movie but what one of which is wen [TS]

01:58:09   wen Han Solo explicitly says that the forces is tied together good and evil [TS]

01:58:14   like the light and the dark I think you need to at least have a little bit of an [TS]

01:58:19   excuse for dark side characters to imagine that they are performing the [TS]

01:58:23   correct actions and if you just explicitly say like oh it's evil I think [TS]

01:58:26   it is better when villains are somewhat sympathetic and I try to imagine the [TS]

01:58:29   dark side as like the this is much easier to get started down path though [TS]

01:58:34   in the long run is less powerful but you can get a very you can go from 0 to 90 [TS]

01:58:40   very fast and so I imagine that like dark side characters are ambitious and [TS]

01:58:46   attracted to immediate power and then that's why he finds himself rejecting [TS]

01:58:50   the light side is because he's trying to grow immediate power fast and so I do [TS]

01:58:55   like this temptation of God know if I'm gonna level in my light side points to [TS]

01:58:59   take forever to get really powerful elected on a crashed but the thing [TS]

01:59:04   that's always been a slight problem for me with the force and Star Wars is that [TS]

01:59:08   the darkside know that they're the bad guys like that so it's like they know [TS]

01:59:12   they know they're bad but it's always been a bit weird to me come to come to [TS]

01:59:18   the day they call themselves the dockside them as will be calling himself [TS]

01:59:21   the bad guys and girls on their caps right yeah come on come on come and be a [TS]

01:59:28   bad guy because it's cuz its gives you power and it's fun like like you say [TS]

01:59:33   like bad surely bad guys are supposed to think they're good guys be in Star Wars [TS]

01:59:37   universe the bad guys I've always kind of knowing their bad guys like the [TS]

01:59:41   temporary in the original trilogy seems like he really likes being the village [TS]

01:59:45   but seems to be a characteristic yeah it's like it's like a fat person saying [TS]

01:59:49   come on be really really fat because you get to eat lots of yummy donut us really [TS]

01:59:54   fat disgusting but at least you get to eat donors like surely the ideal person [TS]

01:59:58   is someone who wants to be thin and donuts but like the day but the darkside [TS]

02:00:02   alike are willing to be fat because they want a day let's say where is that there [TS]

02:00:07   is in real life a person who eats lots of donors somehow convinced themselves [TS]

02:00:11   they can still be thin eventually [TS]

02:00:13   whereas the dark side don't do that yeah I don't know what I'm doing here with us [TS]

02:00:17   for some donuts but nowhere to go with it you wouldn't think we liked the film [TS]

02:00:24   so much the way we were talking about it but well you know it's always easy to [TS]

02:00:28   complain about have many more things that we will come up against some point [TS]

02:00:31   I was complaining to my wife for probably a good 30 minutes and testing [TS]

02:00:37   her patients about how much I dislike the line where ray references the [TS]

02:00:43   Millennium Falcon having completed the Kessel run in 14 parsecs there are many [TS]

02:00:49   many more [TS]

02:00:50   very nerdy very specific things to pick apart and I have a long list of reasons [TS]

02:00:55   why don't like that line but I'm sure these things will come up again that was [TS]

02:00:59   doubling down on a mistake wasn't it when they probably shouldn't have ok [TS]

02:01:04   listen I have to do this again that the short version of this I K [TS]

02:01:12   the reason I hated that line is because it does a case it's over for anyone to [TS]

02:01:18   listening our team knows right but in the in the first movie when Han Solo [TS]

02:01:23   says to Luke been that they made that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs nerds [TS]

02:01:29   kind of freaked out because of our second unit of distance is not a [TS]

02:01:31   measurement of time and so it seems like it's the wrong thing for the base and [TS]

02:01:34   yes super nerds don't send me the links about how the parcel about how the [TS]

02:01:39   Kessel run as measured I know all of this [TS]

02:01:41   yeah you can I get my interpretation of that scene which I'm convinced every [TS]

02:01:48   time I watch it is intentional is that Han Solo is hitting been and Luke on [TS]

02:01:56   purpose he is saying something intentionally wrong to see if they pick [TS]

02:02:01   up on it like how much do these guys know about space travel how much did [TS]

02:02:05   they know about ships and their speeds what you mean he got the the essay used [TS]

02:02:09   a wrong SI unit test than just bragging about something he didn't really [TS]

02:02:13   accomplish it is a testing their scientific knowledge or testing their [TS]

02:02:16   knowledge of his fame inability what he is testing is their knowledge of fast [TS]

02:02:23   ships [TS]

02:02:23   and the reason he's doing that is because he's trying to sense how much of [TS]

02:02:28   a sucker they are you can rip them off exactly right how much how much do they [TS]

02:02:33   know about what's going on how much can you rip them off and if you watch that [TS]

02:02:38   scene really closely he gives that line and then they they flashed to Ben Kenobi [TS]

02:02:43   in Luke and belt tobyGames this weird little smile almost like he knows what [TS]

02:02:48   he's doing [TS]

02:02:50   I don't think I'm reading too much into the scene by just very very shortly [TS]

02:02:54   after that then and you get up and leave and that is such a great little moment [TS]

02:03:00   in Star Wars went on then choose the jewish playboy these guys are really [TS]

02:03:03   desperate and as I can't wait to extract all the money from from these desperate [TS]

02:03:08   soccer's we've come along can I say I don't read it that way [TS]

02:03:10   cannot tell you how I read that saying well first of all let me acknowledge him [TS]

02:03:15   to stop that quite often when you talk about films you watched as a child you [TS]

02:03:18   are blinded to some of the added nuance and even an even when you grow up you [TS]

02:03:23   somehow don't have the ability to say that no one said you might say exactly [TS]

02:03:27   but that's set that said as my little but cover the way I read this is hands [TS]

02:03:34   on his behalf a legend in his own lunch time and he thinks he's he thinks he is [TS]

02:03:37   the great I am and it's kind of like he's one claim to fame is one thing that [TS]

02:03:42   he thinks he's famous for his is this Kessel run like and these guys haven't [TS]

02:03:47   heard of it and it's a bit like a slight may walk into a room and i got high and [TS]

02:03:51   Brady her and I am Number 5 videos and no one has heard of numberphile [TS]

02:03:55   said the one the one the one thing let you know my claim to fame and like no no [TS]

02:04:00   and no and I think that's what's happening to him it's like he's he's [TS]

02:04:06   there you know I put the Millennium Falcon and there was that is going well [TS]

02:04:12   and made the case you haven't heard of the mother ship it made the Kessel whose [TS]

02:04:15   time it's like famous man and it's kind of like so he's kind of this light [TS]

02:04:20   legend in his own mind and he's like being brought down to earth in real life [TS]

02:04:24   and it's like ok I don't think he's testing them I think he's bragging to [TS]

02:04:28   them and then he's bred folds flat because these guys are kind of just [TS]

02:04:33   being so they see things there [TS]

02:04:36   that's a perfectly legitimate interpretation of the scene I think I [TS]

02:04:39   wouldn't argue against that because this there's only subtext in that seems so [TS]

02:04:44   you can interpret either way and so I just have my own pet interpretation of [TS]

02:04:48   that but it is just destroyed when Ray sends out the Catherine 14 parsecs 12 [TS]

02:04:56   because it legitimizes I know this was a thing this is a race like guess the dumb [TS]

02:05:00   extended universe backwards compatibility reason for why it's [TS]

02:05:03   measured in parsecs is now Canada I really hate that line it completely [TS]

02:05:08   vindicates my interpretation because what's happening now is he finally made [TS]

02:05:12   someone who has heard of his great claim to fame and then they get it wrong [TS]

02:05:15   because they used the wrong number this does go exactly into making your [TS]

02:05:20   interpretation Canon interpretation moment but also I also don't like that [TS]

02:05:26   line because I just why does she know this that seems a bizarrely specific [TS]

02:05:33   thing for this character to know I think there's a purpose to I don't like that [TS]

02:05:37   line either by the way that's a great with me as well just cause it feels just [TS]

02:05:41   jazz but I think one of the little to fan service as well but what I think [TS]

02:05:46   when I think it was trying to do in service of the plug is to show that [TS]

02:05:50   she's a complete spaceship cake like she's into it she knows everything she [TS]

02:05:54   knows the Millennium Falcon she knows like she's a real she's a real space [TS]

02:05:58   ship engineering and mechanical know and like us only a mechanical engineering [TS]

02:06:03   spaceship node would have heard of the Millennium Falcon and know about the [TS]

02:06:07   Kessel run so I think they're trying to further establish a potential someone [TS]

02:06:12   who really know spaceships and we see that later on you know she fixes the [TS]

02:06:15   Millennium Falcon on the Hoffman so I think they're trying to establish there [TS]

02:06:18   is a real geek in the area [TS]

02:06:20   she's the one who has heard of the Kessel run in the Millennium Falcon [TS]

02:06:22   unlike lukin been yeah I i understand the mechanics of what is doing in the [TS]

02:06:27   movie and I totally agree and it also acts as a as a first little bonding [TS]

02:06:31   moment between her and Han Solo [TS]

02:06:33   antagonistic it's a bit of our ok well these you know about this thing but it's [TS]

02:06:38   just great to me and it just feels like a weird thing for her to know because [TS]

02:06:41   the time light when did when did this Kessel run occur at how many years ago [TS]

02:06:45   was this how many years with this before she was [TS]

02:06:48   autonomy maybe this is because I'm not a lot of sports nerd but it it seems it [TS]

02:06:53   seems like the equivalent of someone knowing obscure baseball's statistics [TS]

02:06:57   that happened twenty years before they were born when their nineteen it seems [TS]

02:07:02   like a lot I can get that I like that I think the problem the reason it just me [TS]

02:07:08   is the timing of it like she's like on a broken-down ship hovering in space it so [TS]

02:07:13   it seems to be her first time in space perhaps a second ago she was figuring [TS]

02:07:19   out how she's gonna she's gonna live there's a lot of stuff going on it seems [TS]

02:07:23   like she's just met someone who just doesn't seem like a conversation should [TS]

02:07:29   be having at that time it seems like something you discuss maybe later over a [TS]

02:07:32   cup of coffee [TS]

02:07:33   it's it's it's a line that debt just it just bothers me it feels like a bit of [TS]

02:07:39   fanservice I understand the mechanics that's what it's doing in the plot but I [TS]

02:07:43   think there are better ways to do that where she could recognize something [TS]

02:07:46   about whatever they say something later on the cargo class kind of thing that [TS]

02:07:50   this ship is you can have her recognize things about the ship on solo talks to [TS]

02:07:56   her about you don't have to have these particular line especially when it's [TS]

02:08:00   such an infamous line in in the Star Wars universe it's poking the bear isn't [TS]

02:08:05   it yeah it's a bit too much this is free to use Star Wars fans but I know I don't [TS]

02:08:12   I don't need you to remind me just like I don't need the chest able to turn on [TS]

02:08:16   when Vince its attitude I recognize that chess table immediately there's nobody [TS]

02:08:22   who sees the chess pieces come on who then puts the put it together in their [TS]

02:08:27   head [TS]

02:08:28   everybody who's going to recognize the chess pieces recognizes the table that [TS]

02:08:32   that would have been classier didn't switch yeah it would be a thousand times [TS]

02:08:37   classier to the switch on that I think those those two things right in a row [TS]

02:08:41   where bill I don't need you don't need to do this I recognized the table it's [TS]

02:08:47   better if the table doesn't turn on that just goes further to that little part of [TS]

02:08:50   the film when I get off the desert plateau but before they leave being the [TS]

02:08:54   worst part the film from the basically the moment that ship breaks down in all [TS]

02:08:58   but Dzeko [TS]

02:08:59   until they finally blast out of the fixed costs and that whole sequence is [TS]

02:09:05   the path that is that is that is low part of the film I will agree with that [TS]

02:09:10   i mean even at least a tiny bit of of class II fanservice but it still at the [TS]

02:09:16   scene is unnecessary is when Finn is looking for the bandages for chili in [TS]

02:09:21   that scene he pulls out the training ball at Luke uses and he holds it right [TS]

02:09:27   in front the camera looks at it and throws it to the size I don't need to do [TS]

02:09:31   that you can just you can have it on set in the background and trust me I will [TS]

02:09:35   notice or having floated away but don't linger don't have a look at the people [TS]

02:09:40   who go through it by my frame also my love you but don't hold up in front of [TS]

02:09:44   my face it it's it's a bit like I notice every single one of the droids on those [TS]

02:09:50   first order ships that were the droids from the original movies I recognize [TS]

02:09:56   that little floor droid right away I see the trashcan guy with the two feet in [TS]

02:10:00   the background like I recognize all of them you don't need to linger on them [TS]

02:10:02   and this is the kind of thing which is nice for super fans but yeah holding the [TS]

02:10:06   thing up in front of cameras a bit too much [TS]

02:10:08   switching on the chest that is a bit too much that's probably the last of the [TS]

02:10:12   last of our are picking us about the movie for today anyone today just [TS]

02:10:16   considered as sort of an introductory taster of will really get his find a [TS]

02:10:19   tower at a later date of its just this is our first impressions [TS]

02:10:25   we're going to go back and watch a few more times now to pick up some of the [TS]

02:10:29   minutiae yeah we'll really get into it then almost certainly I'm going to see [TS]

02:10:34   it again with my wife [TS]

02:10:35   relatively soon though I like it [TS]

02:10:38   complaining if there's anybody who's on the edge and like spoilers and listen to [TS]

02:10:43   the end I I recommend the new Star Wars movie [TS]