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00:00:00 ◼   ► look at that posh classy drinking water [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► from you are partially cushions man look [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► at you you look like a millionaire [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► I because i'm drinking water and [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► overwatch collapse yeah this is what [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► millionaires do baby they drink water [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► out of wine glasses in my look at me [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► with my twenty percent bigger Pepsi's [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► ready to get you said impatiently [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► haven't even started [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► it's all in your mind Brady I have [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► nothing but an infinite well of patience [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► for you my friend [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► infinite well of patients you are quite [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► patient guy I'll give you that [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► yeah for you and you know I think I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► think you have more patient person than [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► me in general you have to be gentle with [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► me today because I have been very sick [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► for the last week and a half stick with [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► what someone appropriate because I think [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we're going to be talking about plagues [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► and boxes later on i am very full of [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► plague in boxes today this this will [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► give you some ideas to the gravity of [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► how sick of bein little I went to the [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► doctor say this only means something [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► because i know you and I know that you [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► seem to have some sort of stubbornness [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► about going to the doctor when you're [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► sick which I don't understand its code [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► being a man is it called being a man or [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► is it called being dumped I go to the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► doctor when i'm sick if I think I need [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► to go to the doctor I don't understand [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► this reluctance to go to the doctor this [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► is the nub there you set up when I need [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► to go to the doctor when does one you [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► need to go to the doctor this is the [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► million-dollar question [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► ok what is your level then for you need [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► to go to the doctor [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► close to death okay see that seems [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► cutting it too close braiding I think [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► ninety-nine percent of the time when you [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► go to the doctor they just say our go [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► away and come back in a week if you're [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► still sick and I and that happens to me [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► all the time and then I go away for a [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► weekend in a week or so I get better and [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► so I never go back so i I just I hate [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► going to the doctor because I know that [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► it's going to tell me [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► ik yeah you're a bit sick but come back [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► in awake [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► it drives me crazy yeah yeah I [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► understand that because most of the time [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► you just have the some sort of normal [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► called like if I have what feels like a [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► normal cold i won't go to the doctor [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► but if it's much beyond normal cold or [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► if it lasts longer than it seems like a [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► normal cold should then you go to the dr [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► abdullah great you don't go to the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► doctor if you wake up and you go with my [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► little stiffly today let me see what the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► doc has to say about this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yeah you don't need to have your marker [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► be near death [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► yeah to to be the when do you need to go [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► to the doctor phase [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► how's this though I went to the GPA and [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► I went into that went into the room and [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► then she said okay what's wrong and I've [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► had a few other little things you know [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► ongoing things that I thought this is a [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► chance to bring them up things i don't i [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► had gone to the doctor but I thought oh [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► you know kill a few birds with one stone [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► here right so i sat down and said I've [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► got a few things for you actually [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► and she said well you've got less than [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► 10 minutes and I'm already running like [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► how's that for care what if I was dying [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► this is how triage works pretty [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► depending on what you go in there with [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► they might decide that you need to be [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► escalated up to the next level [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah you need you need to go to the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► doctor you never know what it is you [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► know it might be you might think you [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► just have a regular flu but then you go [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► to the doctor and you find out oh you [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► might have you might have died from [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► meningitis [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that's the kind of scaremongering that [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► makes people go to the doctor too much [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► i'm not scare mongering this isn't [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► scaremongering and this is also this is [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► for the for the triage thing right you [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► have a quick meeting with the doctor [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► they're just trying to determine always [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► something more serious or less serious [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► and and it should be eighty percent of [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► the time that it's something less [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► seriously than ninety percent the time [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that it's something less serious it [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► would be quite remarkable [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► if everyone who went into the doctor had [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the most serious thing that they [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► possibly could [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► the doctor is a filter and the vast [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► majority of the time it should come back [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► saying it's not a big deal [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► you're fine but you're there to catch [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► the freak occurrences that could kill [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► yeah this is good advice people follow [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► cries and vast variety is it is this is [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► this is from someone who works in a [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► school I can and yeah had students died [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► of meningitis like you think it's the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► flu and is not spam dead so go to the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► doctor [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► don't be a brady i really wanted [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► antibiotics because basically I was told [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► to get antibiotics go to the doctor and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► get antibiotics so that was my whole and [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► they hate giving you they hate [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► prescribing [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► maybe you doing everything in a way [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► that's infuriating so you don't want to [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► go to the doctor but when you do you're [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► the guy who's going to believe the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► doctor into giving you antibiotics you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► only take antibiotics at the dr things [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► that you should you don't believe the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► doctor into this I basically said if you [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► don't give me antibiotics today I'm [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► probably gonna get divorced and she [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► laughed and said I've never heard that [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► one before and then prescribe [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► antibiotics i don't i don't want them i [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► don't care i was just trying to grease [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the windows are you taking the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► antibiotics then I am so you so you [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► don't even think you need them and [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► you're taking man and I i do your part [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► of the problem [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► no I don't need them i do need them have [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► been sick for too long and and if you [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► think the doctor would have given them [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► to you if you hadn't turned on the Brady [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► charm i would not say she was charmed by [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► I think she gave them cuz she thought I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► needed them you know she looked at me [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and lived in my throat and said I was [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► sick and I told her you know I told a [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► story but another habit of my know that [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► will probably infuriate you is whenever [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► I go to the doctor and get prescribed [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► whatever I'm is needed i almost feel [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► like that's job done and I've [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► accomplished what needed to be [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► accomplished and I quite often don't [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► like the actual process of been taking [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► all the medicine and doing all the [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► things the doctor said it's almost like [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► walking out of the dr being told yes [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► you're sick and this is what you've got [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► to do almost feels like the Cure like [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► okay that's that's dealt with and the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► actual sitting there and taking all [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► those pills for a week and a half his [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► idea of a grind and i usually get the [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► airport but I can also understand a [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► little bit that feeling because it's [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► been like if you bring your car into the [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► auto shop when you pick up your car like [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► a great everything's done but they don't [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► prescribe you a course of activity to do [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► with your car over the course of two [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► weeks exactly i can understand that [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► feeling like haven't I been serviced so [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► that I have now fixed isn't this what is [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► this exactly but that's not what it is [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you have to take the pills and the [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► numbers of people who follow through on [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► taking their antibiotics course through [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► to the end is always appallingly low is [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► a this is a common problem is a non [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► compliance rates for medication taking [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► our justice down dingley hi it's a [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► miracle they get anything done with [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► these these trucks but you're going to [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► finish your course of antibiotics Brady [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► should do i need to pester you about it [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► I'll Phoenician I'm glad it wasn't [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► anything major [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and you found out that it doesn't keep [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► you up at night wondering if you're [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► going to die of a exotic disease [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► thank you thank you for caring i do care [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► ready you do whenever I'm sick you do [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► get a little bit [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► mumsy that is slanderous that is [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► slanderous sir you're very mothering [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► when i'm sick [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► well I don't want to put any strain on [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you that would cause you to be ill for [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► further amount of time my wife is [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► currently at home from work from exactly [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► this thing of overstraining herself at [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► work when she wasn't fully well and [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► going in and I'm like no no you need to [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► stay home until you're better [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► and so that's how I feel about you break [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► no no we don't have to do the podcast [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► until you're better [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► the people can wait but you are of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► course you like to say hard as nails and [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► you just want to soldier on through no [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► matter what have we got any follow-up [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► from the last episode I came it was it [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the last episode was it a good episode i [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► remember i think what we talked about [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► was whatever we talked about on the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► previous buy gas [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► okay it looks like we have no follow-up [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► of substance then now what we have to [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► dive into is you apparently have another [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► breathtaking installment of corporate [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► compensation corner [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► well i'm going to blame me for this week [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► we have delayed corporate a compensation [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► corner for so long now that I've built [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► up so much possible material a half that [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► I don't really know where the staff I [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► can't imagine why anyone would ever [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► delay delay corporate compensation [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► corner and I we should we should laugh [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► put out flash podcast whenever what [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► happens when an instant like we go [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► straight to press I'll tell you the one [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm like I'm looking at four bullet [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► points here i'll tell you the one that [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► that's drawing my attention straightaway [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► corporate compensation corner massage [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► edition [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► ok was awhile ago now but we had a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► little holiday down in down Devon way [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► I'm staying a nice place and it was one [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► of these come and we went to one of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► these [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► you know beauties treatments part I [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► places that we quite like I into as a [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► couple and you have nice food and then [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► they you know you see in a jacuzzi and [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► stuff out there and then you have to get [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► your numbers on your eyes breeding [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► cucumbers and that kind of thing and we [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► went we went for the we went for this [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► sort of new agey type massage thing and [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► it was really funny because one of those [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► things where they like you know you do a [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► questionnaire and they decide what your [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► energies air and what all these sort of [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► things and and it's like it seems like a [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► load of rubbish what I filled out the [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► questionnaire and then i sat down with [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► my message one minute she said okay I [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► see your questionnaire and that's what I [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► know about you and she and I was like [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► she was psychic she said all these [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► things about me like about how I work [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and how i live and I'm not [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► yeah that is like very specific things [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► or just you know broadly applicable to [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► your work in the chair a lot of the time [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► to find yourself sitting down [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► who ya sitting down a lot she wasn't [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► claiming to be a psychic that it's not [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► like she was saying you know you're [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► gonna be a total stranger and stuff I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► didn't say she was claiming it but you [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► seem impressed and I'm imagining that [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► she was just saying things that were [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► broadly applicable to the group of [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► people who are likely to get a massage [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► so i went in and i thought it was gonna [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► be a little bit ever dad message because [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it was all about like pouring oil on [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► your forward and all this sort of stuff [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► done well I just want to be you know I [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► just want my back rub my legs rubbed and [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► make all those knots car away from [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► sitting at my computer all day but it [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► was good it was one where they like [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► portal this oil all over your face and [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► your hair and stuff like that i actually [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► quite enjoyed it was quite nice and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► about two or three minutes before the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► end of the message the fire alarm went [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► off [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► no haha and we had to be evacuated and [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► it was freezing freezing cold and I'm [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► covered in oil oil over mine is dripping [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► in my eyes and all through my hair just [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► like it's like honey coming off me just [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► got that big a time like a greased up [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► piggy I've got out haha i've got a robot [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► and we all get taken outside onto this [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► freezing cold deck everyone staying in [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► the place like a hundred people and my [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► hairs all over the place because she's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► been like [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► rubbing my hair so standing up and oily [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and they do a roll call and calling out [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► their names and there's made a freak in [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the corner [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► Erin Brady here so here's what we come [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► to corporate compensation corner the [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► therapist then says basically well there [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► was only like one or two minutes left [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► anyway there's no point putting you back [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► on the table to then say okay we're done [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► but we feel really bad about it and [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► we'll we'll line you up with that the [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► manager talked to the manager you know [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► whoever was in charge we got taken off [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► to this side room I still got oil all [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► over myself [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► the woman says we're really sorry but [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► then the genius of it was it was all put [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► back on me she says what can we do to [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► make it up to you what do you want are [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► now that's dad's ball that's ridiculous [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► now and what I do what ya what would you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► said what you said the battle for hearts [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► and minds is already lost at this moment [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► right of put it back on you because the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► social the social pressure there is for [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► you to be a reasonable understanding [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► person right if they want to win the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► hearts and minds and have you be like oh [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► man you can't believe how great this [TS]

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00:11:54 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it's their job to step up and to [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► schedule + schedule you another hole [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► replacement one that the company just [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► eat the cost or whatever like that's [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► what they should do if they want to be [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► like oh where where a great place to [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► come for vacation but when they say oh [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you know how can we make this up to you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► and just I just I feel deflated even [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► thinking about this question in theory [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► is it's just you know what you know what [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► you can't is just over i just don't even [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► care you know keep your money and enjoy [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► your low review like that's that's [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► that's how we'll make it up to each [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► other here alright I didn't think of [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► going in reviewing them the thing with [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► the massage right is is like even if [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► they only have two minutes left the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► whole the whole point of something like [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that is that you're coming out of it a a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► relaxed and new Brady right at the end [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► of this experience [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► ya can't imagine if let's say let's say [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► for the rest of their massages that [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► you you get the person has an hour-long [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► massage and everything was perfectly [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► fine and in the last second of the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► massage you bang a symbol above their [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► head rights really loud [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► oh but we only ruined one second of your [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► experiences like that's not how it works [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► it's not the actual amount of time it's [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► if the disruption relative to the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► expectation exactly this episode of [TS]

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00:14:54 ◼   ► i wanted to talk a little bit about a [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► book called guns germs [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► steel it's a book that i think is an [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► interesting book but there's also a lot [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► of arguments that take place around the [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► book and in some ways almost think the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► meta argument about it is more [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► interesting than the actual book itself [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► what's the spoiler situation here and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► it's just one of these things where [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► people should pause the podcast and read [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► the whole book now or because sometimes [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► people do that are we gonna be like [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► spoiler tastic is this is just one of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► those cases or do you think people [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► should keep listening [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► well my thought is this is a bit like a [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► world war two situation [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► Brian there be spoilers i don't think [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► there can really be spoilers for most [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► nonfiction situation ya like it which is [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► essentially kind of a history book is [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and if we get to the second topic we [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► will discuss the possibility of spoilers [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► in a nonfiction situation but it but in [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► general I think a book that is about a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► topic can't be like us a spoiler [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► yeah okay so what is if someone wants to [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► stop and go read Guns Germs and Steel [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► now you can pause the podcast if you so [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► like is a long book and it is a I find [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► at times overly detailed book but you [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► know you go you go for man if you really [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► want to but we'll talk about it we'll [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► talk about what's in the book now so I [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► think if you haven't read it you can [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► still enjoy the conversation because we [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► will try to sum it up as we go along a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► little bit i agree with that i create [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► this shouldn't you should not be [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► spoiling where it i'm listening to an [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► unabridged version and looking at the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► scroll by here it looks like i am nearly [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► halfway through I'm not qualified to [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► talk about as a whole but I listened to [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► a pharaoh chunk of it [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► so how have you been finding it reading [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► this is not the harrowing experience [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► that getting things done was where i [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► actually went so far as to get my money [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► back for this one because that was held [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that was that was how much I felt what [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► my dislike for that book and the way it [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► was written this has not been the case [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► and I would go so far as to say I found [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it quite interesting [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► mmm i think the guy reading the book is [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► not the author does a very good job and [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► I think some of the topics are [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► interesting but I but it is not without [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► criticism there [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► if i have to say i have never heard [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► someone say the terms hunter-gatherer [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► and food production so many times in [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► such a short space of time like to the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► point where I'm like say how together [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► one more time say hun together one more [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► time guys dare you [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► yeah because it does get it does get [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► very repetitive at times and it made me [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► wish that maybe the author could have [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► expanded his vocabulary just for the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► sake of variety because it does get very [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► repetitive times I before I talk about [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► the content because I think that's what [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► you really want to talk about but just [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► more about the actual book itself just [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► to share for warn people [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it was it's very least tastic it and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► this and there always seems to be lists [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► within lists like he'll say so you're [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► probably wondering you know why cows eat [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► grass where there are seven reasons for [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► let me tell you the number one number [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► two number three number four number five [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Number six number seven and as I will [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► talk about later in chapter 34 there are [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► another nine reasons that they eat green [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► grass and while i will go into that [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► later let me tell you those nine reasons [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► and that said these things to be lists [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► breaking out of lists and there's a lot [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► of a lot of that going on which I could [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► see really appealing to you actually [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► because you know we all know you like [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► like lists and at times you do find [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► yourself thinking oh my goodness I [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► cannot believe I'm listening just so [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► much talk about we crops flex and how [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► pulses are high in protein [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► don't nobody know exactly what a pulse [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► is I can kind of guess but and so at [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► times you have it seems like on my god [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► that he's talking about the most boring [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► things ever [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► mhm but I think despite the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► repetitiveness in the list is actually [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► quite well written it'sit's kept a real [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► layman's level which i think is probably [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► quite easy because it's talking about [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► pretty basic stuff like you know herding [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► cows and sailing to other countries [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► right I can see why I [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► think that would appeal to you by the [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► way I know that you have criticisms of [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► the writing of the books i'm not saying [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► you think it's a masterpiece of [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► literature but i can see why it would [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► appeal to you because I mean I I joke [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► around about getting things done and how [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► it's like you know productivity porn and [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► I think you're quite you know you love [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► organization and productivity and stuff [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► so getting things done with a purity and [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► in some ways the whole thing about this [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► book i called up [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► I call that productivity mega porn [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► because this isn't just about people [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► being productive this is about like the [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► productivity and organization of like [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► the whole planet so i can just say you [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► guys are making this is an amazing I [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► can't believe it they're not just [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► talking about organizing a workday [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► they're talking about how whole [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► populations are organized and why the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► world's so for you i can see why this is [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► like right in the sweet spot em yeah but [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► next time you tell me you think it's [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► funny that I can sit and watch a game of [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► darts I will pull out this block and say [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► let me talk to you a little bit about [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► flax and pulses i think that is grossly [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► unfair comparison everyone's interest [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► everyone's interested in different [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► things so anyway so so as a as a read it [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► is it out as as a book it is sometimes a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► book what you think [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► well this is like this is pretty amazing [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► and pretty tedious and then but i think [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► it is well written [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► despite the repetitiveness and i think [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► is very it's very approachable land and [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► it's very well argued it's it's actually [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► like a conversation with you [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► we're even when sometimes you think [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you're wrong because your arguments are [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► so well thought out and I've been sort [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► of pre-planned like they're very they're [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► very well fortress and your your [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► arguments are very with like you have [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► answers to most questions and like even [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► when I think you're wrong you're very [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► hard to argue because you're so well [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► prepared for the battle and that's what [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► this book is like even though i think [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► some of the things that are wrong it is [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► very strategically well done and and it [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► becomes hard to to say exactly why you [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► think it's wrong [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► yeah he's a bit overly prepared that [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► point they get I think it's an [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► interesting book by no means bye [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► no means do I think that everything in [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► it is right but he definitely comes to [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► the table with a bunch of stuff and I [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► think it's later in the book but the [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► section that always stuck with me was [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► there is a point at which he goes [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► through every example of how human [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► writing has ever come into existence [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► like every society that has ever come up [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► with writing and I remember the first [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► time I read the book like I believe you [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► man like i have just giving up [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► okay like I believe your theory about [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► human writing please don't make me read [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► one more like I've read enough about [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► knots vs cuneiform vs writing verses you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► know when does it come up on its own [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► when is it distributed through other [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► people like I just let me just move on [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► to the next thing I think that's [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► probably an advantage of an audio book [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► isn't it because sometimes when it's [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► there on the page and you can see what's [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► coming and you see what's gone before [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► those sections can seem quite tedious [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► but when you're listening and you sort [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► of forgotten what he's already said and [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► you don't know what he's going to say [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► next [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you can be in the middle of one of those [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► kind of patches of quicksand and not [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► know it until it's too late [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it will stay in some ways an audiobook [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► kind of spares you the the worst of that [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► because you can't just live ur rather [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► than see it coming [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► so in closing before we talk about the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► content [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► i I don't know finisher but I feel quite [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► comfortable recommending it like that [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like i would say if this is something [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► you're interested in [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► go ahead and did win the Pulitzer Prize [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► didn't as well so it's not like I'm it's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► not like we've pulled one out of left [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► field here for people this is like [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► reading books bit of a big deal i have [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► been fascinated for years about the kind [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► of meta argument that takes place on the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► internet about this book and we were [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► talking on this message before a little [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► bit and I said that like this is the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► book that launched a thousand arguments [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► at like a thousand argument threads [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► across the internet like it people just [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► argue about this book all the time in a [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► way that I find very interesting so [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► here's here's what i would say is the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► like the thumbnail overview of the [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► argument in in Guns Germs and Steel [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► because germs and steel is arguably [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► vastly over simplifying all of human [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► society and now i am going to vastly [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► over simplify the very argument itself [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the book is setting out to answer how is [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► it that Europeans ended up conquering [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► the whole world and Europeans ended up [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► with all of the stuff that allowed them [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► to conquer the whole world i like what [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► why did the europeans have ships why did [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► the europeans have guns [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► why did they have all of this technology [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► and then why were they the ones who are [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► able to spread all over the world and [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► like why is it that when the Europeans [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► arrived in north america that they [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► weren't faced with American Indians at [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the same level of technological progress [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► ships didn't meet in the Atlantic where [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► we're human societies had had developed [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► at the same rates and it right they bump [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► into each other in the middle of the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► Atlantic oh my oh my how are you how are [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► it doesn't that's not the way it went [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► down like the guy who believes in a note [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► alternative universe and there was a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► rocket to fly there and then when he [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► doesn't he crashes into a rocket coming [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► the other way her friends yeah that's [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► that's not the way human society then [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► there's nothing human society were yeah [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► uh he could have just written chapter 1 [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► because someone had to be first the end [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► what's that like that is a totally [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► legitimate answer cracking it's like you [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► know of course someone's going to be [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► first how could someone not be first it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► would be quite remarkable if someone [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► wasn't first if everybody was exactly [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► the same [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► yeah and i like that that would be that [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► would be astounding which we can also [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► then relate this the same conversation [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► two space-faring civilisation is right [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► maybe it's like it's like the star trek [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► universe of where everybody every alien [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► race is about the same level of [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► technology like that is shockingly [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► unlikely that someone has to be way [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► ahead of somebody else [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► yeah so what he lays out in the book is [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► he's he is talking about the starting [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► point of like 10,000 BC [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► when roughly speaking humans had spread [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► to everywhere they were going to be on [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the face of the earth and they were all [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► at roughly the same level of technology [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► of basic stone tools and then says okay [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► his argument is fundamentally that when [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► you have people everywhere some [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► environments are more beneficial to [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► human thriving than others [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► huh some places are just going to be [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► better for people to live [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► I mean I have this guy jared diamond and [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► i have two nicknames for him [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► mr. hindsight and mr. obvious and I [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► think that first argument is he wearing [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► his mr. obvious hat [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► mmm yeah well see like when I read this [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► book it's gonna sound dumb but like you [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► know I went through history classes in [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► high school and it was remarkable to me [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► that there was no overarching [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► description of things like history class [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► was like this big long list of stuff [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► that happened and one of the things that [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► you can't help but notice is like man [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the UK is just dominating in this [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► history game they have empires right [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► it's like the UK and then is the Dutch [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and the French like this this little [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► cluster of places has taken over [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► absolutely everywhere and I'm not even [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► really sure that when I was younger like [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► it occurred to me to wonder like why was [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► this the case like I don't even know [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► some ways when you just grow up going [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► through history class or you grow up [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► learning about anything you you [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► sometimes don't think to ask questions [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► at all it's just like oh of course [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► Europe took over the world because [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► that's what they taught me in school and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► like it never even occurred to me to [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► think that something else could have [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► been possible but Jared Diamond [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► supposedly the alternate question why [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► isn't it that Africa conquered the new [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► world and brought European slaves to the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► new world [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► okay yeah that's an interesting question [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► like what why didn't that occur or for [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► example the thing that my video was [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► focusing on which was the question that [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► really struck me which an obvious [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► question never asked which is why didn't [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► they [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► Europeans get sick from Native American [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► diseases if the Native Americans got [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► sick from European diseases i get just [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► never occurred to me as a kid to ask [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that because you're always told the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► story in the context of like and the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► Europeans came and the Native Americans [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► got sick from their diseases like and we [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► keep moving along and you just don't [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► think to to ask these questions [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► that's why the book kind of struck me [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► when I was a bit younger was like I [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► didn't think to ask these questions but [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► so the bot the bottom line of that [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► argument is just some places are more [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► beneficial to human societies and that [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► once you start down the road of having [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► more food and settling down and building [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► cities that this process is a [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► self-sustaining self-feeding process [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that your city's get bigger you have a [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► higher population density you can then [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► develop more technology if you have [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► citizens who are free from the burden of [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► producing food and this just spirals up [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► and spirals up and spirals up and so [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► that a relatively even just a relatively [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► minor advantage in the beginning can end [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► up becoming something that makes the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► difference of like two centuries worth [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► of technological process progress by the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► time societies meet you think that's [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► fair from what you've read so far [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► yeah i tell you i think yeah basically [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► saying little bit of luck it'll be a [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► fairy dust and lucky star and you win [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► the whole game [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► the example I often like to use is it's [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► as though the earth is a very unfairly [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► designed board game and your starting [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► position gives you more or less [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► advantage and like Australia is the [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► worst place in the world to start and [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► Eurasia is probably the best place in [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► the world to start [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► that's what books trying to say yeah [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► well I mean you just set in five few [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► sentences but anyway yeah it wouldn't be [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► a book otherwise i guess it wouldn't it [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► wouldn't be a book otherwise but this is [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► why I think like that [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► statement ends up becoming like this [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► remarkably controversial thing like [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► these huge arguments over Guns Germs and [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► Steel for what I agree with you as I [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► think in many ways to me seems in [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► retrospect like a fairly obvious kind of [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► argument that just never occurred to me [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► when I was younger like of course some [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► places are better for humans to thrive [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► and others like that like that's why [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► europeans ended up taking over because [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► Europe was easy i get i guess one of the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► things that comes across in the book [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► that I hadn't thought about quite so [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► much was if if you told me that the star [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► like you know that the the dice are [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► loaded all the board was ring I think [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► okay um you know this obviously whether [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► it's obvious you know obviously the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► climate you know what your climate is [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► like is pretty important as someone who [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► lives in England and sees all these [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► rolling green hills 24 days 365 days a [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► year whatever and and then when i'm in [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► Australia is a barren desert right I [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► look I look into KY k well you've got a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► head start here [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► the thing I guess I hadn't thought about [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► quite so much was how loaded dice were [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► when it comes to animals that the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► strongest thing I've seen in the book so [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► far as he say the best natural resource [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► advantage that the generations had was [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► they got lucky with animals and everyone [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► else got unlucky with animals right [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that to me is probably one of the key [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► features of the book is is exactly [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► happens you can see how others but [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► there's nice places everywhere in the [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► world I think it's not like Europe is [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► just uniformly perfect for me and [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► everyone's got gold and everyone's got [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► oil and some people have diamonds and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► some people have this some people have [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► that but he's basically saying animals [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► and plants is where it was at and in [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► Europe got lucky [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► yeah he runs through the things that [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► make plant species and animal species [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► susceptible to human use in order to be [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► domesticated animals have to have a [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► bunch of characteristics which when and [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► this is where your lists and lists you [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► know begins because he could he goes [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► through all of this stuff with plants [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► and animals again I think it's very [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► interesting to go through all those [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► details it's far too much to go into for [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► this podcast but I mean just just [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► basically like you don't don't really [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► think about it but for domesticated [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► animals you need a couple things like [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► broadly speaking you need animals that [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► are big enough to be useful and so like [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► if you domesticate chinchillas they're [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► not going to be pulling plows for you in [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► a farm right you need a big animal you [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► need animals that are big but also [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► animals that are not unpredictable or [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► violence which is what is the big [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► problem for Africa like Africa has times [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► of big animals all of them are horrible [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► to work with and I like hippos her [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► terrific leave violent way more [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► dangerous than you think they are or he [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► runs through all the examples about like [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► zebras vs horses they look the same but [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► zebras are bastards right and horses are [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► great to work with because they have a [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► bunch of inbuilt characteristics I [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► haven't I haven't got to this yet gray [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► because the point you're making [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► obviously you've got all these nightmare [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► animals in places like Africa or a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► paucity of animals in other places and [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► then Europe's call you know you do so [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► cows and shape and are you treating [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► animals so I get the point [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► does he get messy later on in the book [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► explain why Africa is full of badass [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► animals and Europe's full of ghosts our [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► dummies or is that just luck at one [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► point in the book he talks about and I [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► think this is really interesting is that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► if you go back lots of continents used [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► to actually have many more large docile [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► animals and there's some really just [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► funny examples from australia with like [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► these mega marsupials yea big large [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► mammals [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► yeah and North America had the exact [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► same thing i like big large mammals but [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► that when basically because humans [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► developed their hunting skills like as [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► they went along humans arrived in north [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► america [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► and australia and the rest of the world [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► like with really great hunting skills [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► already right so we're able to out hunt [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► a lot of the local population and so [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► like when when they arrived there is [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► like okay great animals that have never [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► ever seen humans that have no reason to [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► avoid humans collide with a sudden [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► immigration of into North America [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► hunters with big pointy Spears which is [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► why africa so full of badass animals [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► because bright ideas and assets could [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► see could survive we're trying big [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► started here [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► yes and so he goes through that there's [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► basically around 10,000 BC there's a [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► huge number of megafauna extinctions [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► everywhere that humans have just arrived [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► for the with the exclusion of right [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► eurasia and africa because humans were [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► already there and animals have gotten [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► used to them to some extent yeah so that [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that's the idea of arguments like it's [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► not even entirely luck [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► it's it's that humans caused this [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► situation to be the case but even if so [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► here's one of these things like people [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► love to argue with all the details in [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► Guns Germs and Steel like did humans [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► cause the megafauna extinction or did [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► humans not cause the megaphone [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► extinction to me that's not even [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► relevant like let's let's say that that [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► part of the argument turns out to be [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► false like people find out Omega Pharma [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► extinction didn't happen because of [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► humans [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► yeah okay well it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► you should still expect that somewhere [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► on earth [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► they're going to happen to be more [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► plants and animals that are useful to [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► humans than somewhere else [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► how could how could it be otherwise if [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► you have a sum like a semi-random [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► distribution of useful animals across [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► yeah but when that applies to this whole [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► book crime in this whole book is based [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► on digging down into something that you [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► probably don't need to dig down into [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► anymore but he does for the intellectual [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► exercise over so you can't just say it's [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► like saying the British Empire was great [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► because they had booked boats why did I [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► have good boats are modern because i had [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► good word for example why did they have [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► good wood because they had a good [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► climber why do they have a good climate [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► and I will stop there [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► well now look at what point do you stop [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► why you got a good climate are because [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► you further north wires further north [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► but at some point [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► at what point do you stop asking what [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► it's like a little kid that just has why [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► to every single Indian tell them that's [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► what this book is like this was his [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► attitude to history is like it's like [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► the Europeans you know dominated the [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► world why because they invaded the other [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► countries [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► why because they went because I wanted [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► to and I wanted more land and wealth why [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► when they got there why do they why [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► what'd you just keep asking why and if [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► he keeps answering while the time [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► eventually he's going to come unstuck [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► isn't it right eventually going to come [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► to a point that has to just be an [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► assumption about the world yeah right [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► which is we assume that there are [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► animals some of which are more or less [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► useful to humans like well like this is [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► a ground to start assumption and then we [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► can also assume that the distribution of [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► these things is not going to be equal it [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► would be shockingly unlikely for it to [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► be equal and so that means some place [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► has to be better for humans than some [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► other place like noticed by definition [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► and still do you always have to come to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► some kind of fundamental little moment [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► I mean going through a bit of the book [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I've encountered I think sometimes it's [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► guilty of simplifying things that I [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► think are very very complicated and [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► other times I think it's guilty of [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► complicating things that I think are far [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► more simple i agree but as someone who [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► knows has read the whole book for a star [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► and also has followed some of the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► arguments around em what asked what are [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the big bones of contention not the [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► minutiae like you know I disagree that [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► that was how we eat was domesticated but [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► whatever one of the big controversial [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► topics here one of the one of the big [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► things here is where I need to like show [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► my hand a little bit about some some of [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► my thoughts the way were you Brady you [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► want me to look at let me let people [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know what I think about a movie before [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► we start talking about it yeah so again [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► i agree with you there are many faults [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► with the book and the reason we're [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► talking about it now is because i made [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► this America box video recently because [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► i took a a section of that of Guns Germs [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► and Steel the section about why didn't [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the Europeans get sick from Native [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► American diseases and I made a little [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► video about it because I think that's an [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► art and also this is I have a very [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► limited repertoire of questions to ask [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► people at dinner parties to try to get [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► interesting conversations going and this [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► is one of these little questions that i [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► like to bring up and I find almost [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► universally that the person i'm sitting [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► across from has the same reaction that [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► idea of-of oh you know I never thought [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► about that why didn't the Europeans get [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► sick so I took that little section and I [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► made the video about it and its people [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► have been sending me all these things [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► about like oh it's a real shame that you [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► didn't know about the criticisms of Guns [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► Germs and Steel before you made this [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► video but the thing is i had read all of [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► those criticisms there is on read it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► like a series of very interesting [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► articles where someone goes through the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► book chapter by chapter i can point out [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► all of what they view as like the [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► contradictions or the things that [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► diamond says that are clear that the [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► person says are unclear and it goes [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► through it step by step by step by step [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and i had read all of those things and i [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► also agree with most of the criticisms [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► look like I'm not going to argue with a [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► professional historian when they say [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► like oh x historical event occurred and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► jared diamond like skimmed over it like [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► help i'll take them at their word for [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that like your professional historian I [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► have no reason to disagree with you but [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the thing that I find interesting and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► valuable in Guns Germs and Steel that i [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► almost never see the critics argue [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► against is the theory that the book [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► presents the Guns Germs and Steel to me [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► gives a very simple but very basic [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► theory of history it's a theory that [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► only operates on very long time scales [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► and over continent-sized human divisions [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► but it is still nonetheless a theory [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► because i think it it makes if not a [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► testable prediction it it makes a a [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► question that [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► you can ask about the world where you [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► can say look if we were to rewind the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► clock and play history again what would [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► you expect would happen and the Guns [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► Germs and Steel answer is that because [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► you're Asia the whole of Eurasia is more [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► susceptible to human technological [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► flourishing let's say you should expect [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► eighty percent of the time that the [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► first to colonial technology that [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► happens in your asia right and maybe you [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► know ten percent of the time it happens [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► in Africa and then like five percent of [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► the hop time it happens in north america [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► and like one percent of the time it [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► happens in Australia but not not that it [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► could never happen but it is just [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► extraordinary unlikely and so that to me [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► is the interesting thing is this theory [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► of history and so in many ways like I [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► can i agree with tons of the criticism [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► about the particulars in the book and [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► tons of the the details that jared [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► diamond gets wrong because jared diamond [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► is not a professional historian he is [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► archived should look it up before we [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► started using the college just gonna [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► blurt expert at one point wasn't using [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► to build yeah he's he's worked in papua [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► new guinea and yeah he's cataloging [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► birds f for the thing it's that personal [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► criticism that irritates me about Jared [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► Diamond it seems to just totally loved [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► Papa New Guinea like out of all [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► proportion [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► yes to what you would expect for any any [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► impartial out of ivory is a very [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► important place in this book [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► yeah is it and it irritates me I did [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► highlighted in the beginning of the book [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► even goes for like a little tangent [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► about how like let me explain to you how [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► papua new guineans are more intelligent [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► than average human being is like oh come [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► on man like one of the fundamental [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► theses of your book is that human [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► intelligence is not different everywhere [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► but you're still going to take a little [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► a little side moment about how Papa New [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► Guinea is like an exception to the rule [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► okay whatever yeah but so that that to [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► me is is the value of this book and like [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► I think that is very interesting but the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► this then trips in historians into an [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► idea that like you cannot say geography [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► is destiny like historians are very very [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► very strongly against this idea for [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► reasons that I i find difficult to [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► understand and every time I get into an [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► argument or icy arguments that take [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► place over the book what usually happens [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► is just just as so many of these things [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► like different sides are arguing [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► different things like I want to have a [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► conversation about what is the current [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► state of the theory of history like has [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► much progress been made about the theory [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► of history but then historian wants to [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► argue with me about why was it Spain who [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► was the first to Mesoamerica and like [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► and why did spain lose their lead to the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► united kingdom and my view is always ok [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► but that's too small like you're talking [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► with we want to talk about like [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► continent levels here not not particular [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► cut like this is not meant to tell you [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► why a particular country came about [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► it's only here to give you an estimation [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► of what is the likelihood that people on [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► a particular continent will be the ones [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► to colonize the world that that's my [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► view of this book [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► you know I just can't help thinking and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► I thought the social time as well I've [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► been listening to the book and I think [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► even more now listening to you talk like [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► how is this different from two guys in [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► the bar talking about sports like it it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► sounds like two guys arguing over y1 [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► football team is better than the other [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► if we play the super bowl again with my [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► team win this time did it all come down [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► to that one play and mistake or was that [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► team always destined to win because they [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► had these players and it sounds like it [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► sounds like sport like and if you want [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► to rake over and and great over the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► ashes of history and talk about why did [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► these people win and why those people [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► invade that [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► I know you can use this argument about [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► how we learn lessons for the future but [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► i don't think there's a lot to be [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► learned for the future about this kind [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► of stuff anymore i think we've moved on [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► from it just seems like it seems that [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► arguing about sport and I don't have a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► problem with that by the way because i [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► really love arguing about sport so i [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► finally found that history people will [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► sit there and argue over what was [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► spanish that went to Mesoamerica and [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► have that sort of thing [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► here's me going to try to reach and make [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► a sports metaphor or just click you just [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► correct me gently if I'm wrong here [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► well i will talk about sports and a book [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► that i haven't read the whole thing to [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► know about which is Moneyball yes I so [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► my understanding is that money ball is [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► the description of how statistics was [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► first used with baseball [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► yeah i'm not mistaken yes for selecting [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► the teams and thinking about the players [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► not as individual people but as machines [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► with particular batting averages in [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► particular situation right and so [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► Moneyball was about being able to put [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► together an effective team in a way that [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► was surprising to existing coaches yeah [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► and in some way like i always feel the [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► argument with historians it is a bit [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► like this where it's almost like this is [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► so overblown because he hasn't done the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► same thing but jared diamond is a bit [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► like the money ball four continents [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► right he's looking at the stats and he's [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► like your ages and amazing continent it [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► doesn't mean you're asia is going to win [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► every time I guess like a 20 points and [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► it gets 5 animal points and I get right [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► but you can still score it and like I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► can i can very easily imagine an [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► alternate universe where we are instead [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► living in a world where the Aborigines [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► got lucky right and they and they were [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► the first colonial technology and they [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► took over the whole world [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► yeah anything that well they had some [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► Einstein character that just came out of [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► nowhere and write that they had [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► tremendous luck or actually what i think [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► is a great counter example is I mean man [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► if you look at if you look at the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► numbers for the black death like what we [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► think of as the plague this plague that [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► struck europe in the 1300 the Black [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► Death [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► this downing I guess the worst plague [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► the the estimates are at a minimum [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► thirty percent at a maximum sixty [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► percent of the population died in Europe [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► in the 1300 let's just say it was 50 [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► percentage for the choice this [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► conversation and it's amazing to me that [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Europe came back from that like that's a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► hell of a setback to have half your [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► population died and i can imagine a [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► version of the world where it's like [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► okay let's take the black death but [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► let's increase the virality ten percent [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► and the lethality ten percent and like [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► that like a plague like that is [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► something that's a random event and it [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► is not hard to imagine just by chance [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► there's an event that just knocks the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► destin continent way back way back in [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► the same way that random events happen [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► in sports I like some guy twist his [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► ankle on the stairs walking into the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► sports arena like you can just have bad [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► luck but so there could very easily be [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► an alternate universe version of america [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► or alternate universe version of the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► world where the Aborigines took over the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► world and they're trying to write a [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► history book going like man it's really [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► quite interesting that like the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► Aborigines to go over the world when [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► Australia is terrible the thing that but [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the thing I suspect that is in that [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► alternate world [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► jared diamond would write up would write [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► a book in which seemed inevitable that [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► Australia Aborigines will have taken [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► over the world like I think when you're [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► using hindsight you can engineer almost [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► yeah i think in that world it would it [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► would also seemed inevitable the hot the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► hindsight the hind side thing is a real [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► problem right [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► this is this is always the issue of [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► talking about stuff that happened in the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► past [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► yeah but I would almost feel like you'd [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► be much more willing to try to come to a [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► conclusion like Aborigines must just be [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► smarter because they came ok overcame [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► like tremendous tremendous terrible [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► continent disadvantage right where is [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► one of the fundamental points that Jared [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► I was trying to make a Guns Germs and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► Steel is look everybody is about the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► same intelligence or close enough to [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► like it doesn't matter right and if you [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► rewind the clock and you take all of the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► Africans and you put them in north [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► america and you take all the North [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► America [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► can you put them in Europe and you take [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► all the Orientals and you put them in [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► Africa like you should end up with the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► same probabilities anyway because it's [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► the continent that is affecting the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► outcome it's not the people like the [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► people aren't any different and and I [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► totally back him on that end but it does [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► mean that you can have situations where [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► just the unexpected occurs because I [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► don't think he is he is arguing but I [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► see people like arguing against this [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► version in their minds of conduct germs [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► and steel that he is saying it is [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► inevitable that some civilization in [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► Eurasia was the one that took over the [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► I don't think he makes that argument I [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► think he just talked about it was the [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► most likely one and we're living in the [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► most likely universe but it could have [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► happened in a different way [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► it's just extremely unlikely like Europe [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► would have had to have the the Black [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► Death be more lethal or happen at a much [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► more unfortunate point in their history [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► like if the black to happen in the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► fifteen hundreds the paper that argue [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► against her who don't like this [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► geography theory because obviously the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► start of the book he makes a really [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► really big point about all humans at the [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► same black you know one races and [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► smarter than the others etc etc [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► yeah people who argue against his [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► geography theory to put it really simply [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► do they say no in fact it is the people [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► who were different or what do they say [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► the real reason is like what's their [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► alternative theory to the geography [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► theory [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► surely that I come out and say Europeans [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► are naturally smarter all or do they say [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► that I don't know they don't write the [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► stories are not arguing against that but [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► this is this is where i find it the most [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► interesting and I i am trying to make [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► this as clear as they can in this [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► podcast because i was talking about a [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► thing is easier than trying to write it [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► out when you're just arguing with [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► someone on the internet i would really [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► like in the reddit for someone to who [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► thinks like a historian who thinks they [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► can answer this question that Brady is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► asking that is my question as well which [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► don't argue against the particulars [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► about events the that Jared Diamond [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► mentions in Guns Germs and Steel I want [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► a coherent alternate theory of history [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► that like that's that's what i am [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► looking for [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► that's the argument that i want to have [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► like what is the alternate theory of [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► history and what I have seen so far and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► then maybe I have not read widely enough [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► for I've been looking in the wrong [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► places but on the rare occasions when I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► see people having the argument on on [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► this level on the like let's not get [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► down in the weeds [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► let's not argue over the details because [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► often they don't even matter they're not [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► relevant not really interested in the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► Mesoamerican Civil War and whether or [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► not that was a factor in the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► conquistadors ability to conquer the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► continent but I don't think that's [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► really relevant either way on the on the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► big picture version because what i [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► normally see is people either saying [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► there is no theory of history that this [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► whole project is fundamentally [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► ridiculous that you have to take history [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► as it unfolds event by event by event [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► and i am very sorry I'm forgetting there [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► is a technical name for this but saying [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► how like you have to look at the chain [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► of all things so like the example I [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► often see is is saying like oh if a city [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► is founded in a different location like [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that can then have a big effect on [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► whether or not a country developed in a [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► particular way and then like that [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► affects whether or not the country is [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► powerful which can affect the rest of [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► the world events and my view of that is [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► like listen man that's is not a theory [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► that's just listing everything that has [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► ever happened and that's what I see most [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► of the time from professional historians [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► like I don't doubt that they are right [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► about the list of things but they just [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► want to present a list of everything [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► that has ever happened in all of human [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► history and I think that that's very [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► different from the notion of of a theory [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► like an one of the important or [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► one of the things about a theory is that [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► you don't expect it to be able to [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► perfectly work for absolutely everything [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► like I made a bad analogy when when the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► video first came out but I really said [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► like I was thinking that Guns Germs and [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► Steel was a bit like the general [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► relativity of the history world [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► I didn't mean that it's like as as big [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► of encompasses as a serious general [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► relativity is what I was trying to get [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► out there is the idea that general [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► relativity is a theory that works on the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► big-scale icon on galaxy sighs things [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► but if you try to use general relativity [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► to describe very small things it just [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► doesn't work but that doesn't mean that [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► the theory is wrong it's just applicable [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► under certain circumstances sounding [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► like Harry soda and now from them [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► foundation series a bit a bit i like [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► yeah I will I will totally grant that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► although i think that the Guns Germs and [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► Steel like it that theory ends in 1492 [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► right is as soon as civilizations [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► interact like it is all null and void [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► now it is you know it's kinda over but [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► that that's that's what I feel like I'm [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► constantly trying to have this [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► conversation with historians about what [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► is your theory of history and they keep [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► wanting to talk to me about the atoms [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► it's like but i agree with you about the [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► atoms like we're not we don't actually [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► disagree but i'm just i'm asking a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► different question he could be the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► problem with your question I don't know [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► if it is on up here's what could be a [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► problem theory of relativity is not [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► going to change because of something and [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► Adam does is it like you know atoms [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► atoms are atoms and the theory of [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► relativity zyzz unbreakable you know [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► it's a big deal and it's it's the rose [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► and everything has to follow those rules [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► yeah that's why was a terrible now dear [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► okay well don't let me get away from it [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► then I won't bring it up again [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► let me ask you this about the theory of [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► history that's why it was a terrible one [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► for me to pick let me offer an alternate [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► one which might be better which is a [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► Guns Germs and Steel is like a [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► geocentric version of the [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► universe it may be really wrong in very [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► many ways but it also to me looks like [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► isn't this is starting points like [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► shouldn't we be continuing to work on [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► the theory of history and not [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► necessarily be like I just garbage just [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► throw it away [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► here's what here's why maybe it is [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► garbage is how susceptible is a theory [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► of history to humans have helped how can [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► one person break the theory because no [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► one animal person can break the theory [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► of relativity like if if you if you if [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► you're strong reorder have an amazing [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► personality or do something brilliant [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► you're still not gonna change the theory [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► of relativity right is the theory of [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► history so I mean we cut the we're going [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► straight into foundation territory here [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► and i won't give spoilers away but this [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► is what happens with psychohistory and [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► in in foundation isn't it like can can a [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► person could one person break the theory [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► because so many humans live and die [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► every day that if the theory of history [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► is so fragile that a brilliant person a [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► brilliant Aborigine inventing a boat 200 [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► years early in Australia or a brilliant [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► a brilliant person in North America [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► cultivating a plant a thousand years [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► earlier than expected could break the [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► whole system then the theory of history [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► probably isn't worth discussing very [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► much because it's probably pretty likely [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► to get broken or is the theory of [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► history more robust than that it's it's [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► an interesting question [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► my thought is that it would be possible [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► maybe not for one person but for me it [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► was saying before a series of Lucky [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► events to bring you the unexpected [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► outcome [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► well that's different of course a series [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► of Lucky event you know a comet landing [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► on London a few hundred years ago would [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► have changed his require lap so I mean [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► is a fragile or doesn't need a comet or [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► a series of amazing coincidences because [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► of course it that is unlikely that I [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► would say it's much closer to the the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► comet side of things like that that's my [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► feeling of it is that [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► look it doesn't matter how many [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► Einsteins in a row you get in Australia [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► you're like you're limited by the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► resources of the world and the very fact [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► that you're being born into Australia [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► like is just limiting the ability to [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► express your intelligence anyway because [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► like what are you gonna do [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► you're living a hunter-gatherer [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► lifestyle in in this situation like it's [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► going to be very hard for you to [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► single-handedly developed agriculture [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► and like move the rest of everybody else [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► along the start of this path like it's [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► just shockingly shockingly difficult [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► that you have to have incentives to stay [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► put that are in the world like otherwise [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► you're you're going to stay as a [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► hunter-gatherer society you're going to [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► keep moving around because you're a [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► mathematics you say like you had a local [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► maximum Jared Diamond does does mention [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► I forget exactly where but he mentions [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► like 11 place in in Australia where that [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► is like more susceptible to development [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► than others but like but it took it took [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► humans awhile to get there and by the [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► time they got there [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► Europeans had already arrived so it's [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► like that game was probably a delight [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► yeah i think it was a delay i think [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► that's right yeah so there was a there [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► was a mighty black stump that called [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► people need to let me ask you this that [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► shaming that a theory of history is kind [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► of valid and robust and worth [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► of valid and robust and worth [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► coming up with that's a fun thing to do [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► and it's intellectually stimulating and [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► humans should do intellectually [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► stimulating things but if it is created [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► how is it useful is it useful to us is [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► that practically useful to us until we [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► reach a point where we start colonizing [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► other planets or we start getting [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► colonized by aliens and things like that [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► like if we can if we can crack the code [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► and correct the theory and we feel [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► absolutely confidence right [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► surely this is just useless now anyway [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► or is it practically useful to have this [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► information it's almost impossible for [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► me to imagine a situation that it's [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► useful like I think this is purely an [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► intellectual exercise right which might [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► be part of the reason why the fighting [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► over it is just so enormous right that [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► the know that old that Old Crow like the [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► forget the details of its like the the [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► fighting is furious when the the rewards [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► are small and having this is this is [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► that kind of thing I don't think there's [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► an application of this [TS]