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00:00:00   you have this thing listed under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   follow-up I don't think it's follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:02   at all it's a new topic but you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2">TS</a>]

00:00:03   want to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3">TS</a>]

00:00:04   this is how you steal the show all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4">TS</a>]

00:00:05   time you put everything you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   about you listed as follow-up even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   it's not remotely follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10   well yeah I know your trick I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12   you're up to it wasn't really a trick I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   thought Carter was follow-up there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:15   nothing about it that follow-up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   listeners will now this news will know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   now this is my hairdresser story and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   reason I wanted to tell you was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/23">TS</a>]

00:00:24   thought it had two components that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   appeal to you because if there if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   are two things that sort of have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/29">TS</a>]

00:00:30   level of Appeal t1 is being horrified by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/30">TS</a>]

00:00:34   social situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   this is that appealing i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/36">TS</a>]

00:00:37   that's the feeling I don't know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   always gets a response from you at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   ya think I guess what these 10 ya hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   you because you are a natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   winder-upper here in your brain equate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/46">TS</a>]

00:00:50   getting a response from someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   appealing to them that's that's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   way there but it's but it's just so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   to get you to engage with my stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   unless it's something that you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/59">TS</a>]

00:01:00   into it is not true it's very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   get you to engage and I think this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   two things that engaging one is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   engaged by horrifying social situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   and the other thing that engages you is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   my ineptitude and this story has both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/71">TS</a>]

00:01:15   them in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:16   I'm looking I'm looking forward to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/76">TS</a>]

00:01:17   story but I do just want to get it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   record that when we're doing the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   I know you don't believe me and I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   get it was kinda crazy sometimes yell at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/84">TS</a>]

00:01:25   me about how I don't I don't respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   fast enough to you the reason I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   these podcasts so draining to do is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   whenever you're talking i am spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   the whole time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   consciously thinking about is there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   question that i can ask brady what can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   say pretty at the end of the story so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   it's it's draining it's exhausting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   because I'm i am spending one hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   percent of my attention fixated on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   thinking about what to say and how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   how to engage with this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/111">TS</a>]

00:01:52   that she just comes naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   that should just be natural it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   natural it should be natural if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   Brady but not if you were great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   if your gray it's not natural is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   why it's always so frustrating it's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   so frustrating you criticize me for not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   engaging your stories like man I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   never more focused on human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   conversation than I am during the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/132">TS</a>]

00:02:15   hours in which we record one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   episodes you've got me at my peak social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   this is the best i can do and I do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   for you Brady don't focus too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:25   because it puts too much pressure on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   story now it's like are like now I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   that you're sort of listening with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   double attention and thinking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/151">TS</a>]

00:02:32   questions and suddenly there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   pressure on the story and the story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/154">TS</a>]

00:02:36   not that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/156">TS</a>]

00:02:37   it's no different than any other time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38   that we ever record the podcast but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/158">TS</a>]

00:02:42   now tell me there's amazing amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/162">TS</a>]

00:02:45   story i'm really looking forward to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   I drove down into the center of my town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   because i wanted to get the car claimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   give it the big shebang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   now I don't know whether I should call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/173">TS</a>]

00:02:54   that validating or valet because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   seems to be something that people it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   valet so it's valuing their well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   what I thought but more and more often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   i'm hearing it called people calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   invalidate which i think is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06   of course your horse is wrong isn't it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   French word they don't regard consonants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   at the end of their words so I took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   car down to this place where there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/193">TS</a>]

00:03:14   these guys who wash up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   I've got like this what you call and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   like 10th like a little marquee type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   thing that people can drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   underneath so the best shelter in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/203">TS</a>]

00:03:24   it rains and they'll sit there and i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   spray your car and I'll open the doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/207">TS</a>]

00:03:28   and I'll get inside and that cumin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31   polish everything and make our lovely I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/211">TS</a>]

00:03:33   take it they're reasonably often and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/213">TS</a>]

00:03:36   because i was going to go and get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/216">TS</a>]

00:03:37   haircut and I had some errands to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   I leave it with them leave the cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   keys in the ignition and I say guys take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   care for me so I've had to just outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   think that it like that it's zero it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   sleep well just I like it was apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/229">TS</a>]

00:03:54   it was like you leaving of baby with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   up guys i say with take care of its we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/236">TS</a>]

00:04:02   discuss we discuss which like which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   option are one and i went for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   20-pound option okay yeah the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   way you communicate to them how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   they should take care of it is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   money that's how you communicate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   yes so why would i want the 20-pound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   option and i couldn't Park it right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   the little little zone because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   doing another car so I parked behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:20   that car and I left went to the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   office went to the bank did my jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   then I went to the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   sir I picked a bad time schools were out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/266">TS</a>]

00:04:29   and I picked the wrong time of day a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30   time that I don't normally like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   and the place was packed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   I had to sit there and wait forever for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   my turn and I could have said I'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   back another day but I really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   get my haircut so i had to wait it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   and I must await an hour and a half and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   then finally got my haircut and he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/285">TS</a>]

00:04:46   he was slow to he was slow and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   Jesus and here comes the situation at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   the end of the haircut I thought you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   a pretty good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   albeit slow at the end of the haircut he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   says can I take a photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   what and I thought I thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   maybe he was a trainee or this was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   of the best haircut ever don't nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   want to take photo / and I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/309">TS</a>]

00:05:09   mmm yeah like I guess and then he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/309">TS</a>]

00:05:13   then i said what for and he said I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   to put it on Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   yeah oh yeah and I thought cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/317">TS</a>]

00:05:22   greater if the hairdresser said can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   take a photo of your you put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   that's a really awkward situation ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/327">TS</a>]

00:05:30   here's the question his question was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/330">TS</a>]

00:05:31   was he using social dominance on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34   like we are you still sitting down or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   you still build up i was i was sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   down I was still had my big coat i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40   very vulnerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:41   oh no how's that i was i was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   position of weakness like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45   interrogation room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/345">TS</a>]

00:05:46   yeah it was it was a really awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   situation but i know this is becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/348">TS</a>]

00:05:49   big thing in the in the young people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   hairdresser community because it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   my nephew was showing me the Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/353">TS</a>]

00:05:56   of his hairdresser and everyone who gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/356">TS</a>]

00:05:57   the hague cut by him has an Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   down and they do these special poses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   things like that so it's becoming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/362">TS</a>]

00:06:03   really big thing in the in the trendy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   cool hairdresser community in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   hairdresser I go to his choir quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   trendy cool place for young people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   really big on instagramming other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/372">TS</a>]

00:06:13   haircuts afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   oh no no that's that's a guy i gave it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/375">TS</a>]

00:06:20   no I did I i found the strength and ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   I gave him and I gave him thanks but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/385">TS</a>]

00:06:25   how is it received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   quiet and awkwardly I did I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/388">TS</a>]

00:06:32   I my goodness great would have hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/392">TS</a>]

00:06:33   that are you ever gonna go back to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:36   yeah i'll get back now you can go when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   it comes to hairdressers i'm such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   creature of habit that's why i SAT there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   for an hour and a half and sort of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   to one of the four or five other ones on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   the straight because this is where I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:45   my haircut 45 other ones you mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   tiny town where you live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   there's no there's not 45 hairdressers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   on the stairs that happened to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   they're totally is is that you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   three shops on the street there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/415">TS</a>]

00:06:58   italian store because the pair's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   corner store there's a corner store a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   carwash 3 charity shops and 19 hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   dresses with his dreams local economy at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/425">TS</a>]

00:07:09   anyway I got out of there awkward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/429">TS</a>]

00:07:12   situation over go go to the carwash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   ready to be apologetic from having left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   my car there for two two-and-a-half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/437">TS</a>]

00:07:18   hours i get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   mm my car hasn't moved what's going on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:24   walk up to the guy saying what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   on and they look at the gang are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   you are there you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/447">TS</a>]

00:07:28   turns out out of just habit and reflex I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   didn't leave my keys in the ignition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   I took them with me and my carried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   sitting there blocking the entrance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/456">TS</a>]

00:07:37   their car wash my camping for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   two and a half hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   yeah what an effective afternoon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/461">TS</a>]

00:07:45   errands you had it was never our I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   so bad I felt so bad about it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   Instagram thing now man that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   horrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53   this is the grandma doesn't sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   anything good is coming up as far as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   can tell it's a real big thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   hairdressing community at least in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   West of England no no nope nope nope not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/481">TS</a>]

00:08:06   having that happen i know that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/486">TS</a>]

00:08:07   gonna happen that can happen not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/489">TS</a>]

00:08:10   I'm i made some I made some reference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   sort of like with my job I'd rather not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   have that hairdresser pictures posted of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   me and then he thought I was some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   of spy or did something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   security and I stand corrected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   it's the because he started to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   you start to make up a story to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   yeah I did I made some I made some ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   or said something the car with my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/512">TS</a>]

00:08:33   it's like it's not something i'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   not be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/515">TS</a>]

00:08:36   it's very hard not to do but i find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/516">TS</a>]

00:08:40   trick in those situations if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/520">TS</a>]

00:08:41   going to have to say now is don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42   justify right you just say no and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   there's going to be an awkward silence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   but the first person to break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   awkward silence losses and so you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   want to be the loser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/531">TS</a>]

00:08:52   no I still got my way but I mean I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   is I didn't think you would find out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   your double hard when it comes to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   stuff but yeah but if the other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   plays the it sounds like this guy he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   trying to manipulate you again you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03   a vulnerable position that's when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   decides to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/545">TS</a>]

00:09:06   he probably knows the tricks he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   i'm just imagining in this situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   that he would have also tried to beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   the awkward silence and sometimes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   can go on for a while you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   a staring contest between gorillas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   don't think either i looked that good or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   the haircut was that good that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:20   gonna really lobby for football but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   maybe maybe it maybe it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   once-in-a-generation haircut and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   even realize it and I just look amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   right now I didn't notice on the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/568">TS</a>]

00:09:33   chat before we started i'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   really am finding myself wishing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   the story had gone the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   mainly because I would enjoy nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   more than putting a link to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   photograph on Instagram of your haircut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   in the show notes are really quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   enjoyed this will be fun forever at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   little picture here now having to miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   out on it didn't happen if you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   give us a selfie with the show notes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   reason I really needed to get a cat was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   because i was doing some objectivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   videos the next day so you could you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   do me a big favor and just post one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   those it's way less funny if I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   pimping objectivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   I mean I guess I'll do it yeah look out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   links objectivity in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   people it's not nearly as funny it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   it's not really what I want from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   you're not giving me what I want charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19   brooker who i think you and i both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   advanced off we quite like some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   things he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   hey he was just having a bit of a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   because some recent stuff that came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   in the parliament or recap up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   parliament and that is the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   think this is crazy that satirical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37   television shows in and not allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/637">TS</a>]

00:10:40   use footage from inside the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   Parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/643">TS</a>]

00:10:44   and this has been hamstringing Charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   broker who makes satirical TV shows for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   quite some time because when he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   poke fun at the politicians they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   banned old TV shows like him from using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/653">TS</a>]

00:10:56   the footage of proceedings in Parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/656">TS</a>]

00:10:59   can be used on the news it can be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   in various other shows but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   poking fun at them band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/662">TS</a>]

00:11:05   I don't understand how such a law could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   get passed by the people of the polymer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   yeah I i find that just astounding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/671">TS</a>]

00:11:15   the people in Parliament would pass such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   a narrowly self-serving law it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   confusing to me i don't i don't get it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   think it's all my so self-serving that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   i'm surprised i had had the audacity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:27   have the balls that do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/687">TS</a>]

00:11:28   yeah for comparison for Americans you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/688">TS</a>]

00:11:31   know like this this stuff charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/691">TS</a>]

00:11:32   brooker does it's a bit like if congress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   passed a law saying that the daily show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   was not allowed to use footage from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   inside of of Congress like c-span [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   footage is available to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   unless you're making fun of c-span [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   footage when the daily show itself pokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/705">TS</a>]

00:11:48   fun at the UK and uses footage from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/708">TS</a>]

00:11:51   UK Parliament those episodes are banned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   from being broadcast in the UK copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   and intellectual property it comes up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   this show so much and it's a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   i've been following for years because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   really does have this bizarre impact on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/723">TS</a>]

00:12:07   and everything like the way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   decide intellectual property works has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   huge unexpected ramifications in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   kinds of areas like this is just another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   example like really really united [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/738">TS</a>]

00:12:21   kingdom you are going to banned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/741">TS</a>]

00:12:24   import of satirical shows from overseas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/744">TS</a>]

00:12:28   because they include footage from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   Parliament it's so weird and it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/750">TS</a>]

00:12:34   also feels a little bit like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   know that like this stuff exists on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/756">TS</a>]

00:12:39   internet right like people can still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/759">TS</a>]

00:12:40   skills to view the programs i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   you don't know what you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   here except just preventing local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   producers for being able to make stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   like you just I mean I mean I restrict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   their making it harder to say because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   is hard to find that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   the thing that I have some sympathy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   example with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   Britain being a bit more draconian than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   other countries like the US with are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   televising proceedings in courtrooms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/784">TS</a>]

00:13:05   I have some sympathy with not televising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   everything and broadcasting everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   or protecting people from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   humiliated when they're doing normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14   things but not the but not the mp's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   the part not the people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   parliament that they're the they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   one group that we should be allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   market satirize and yeah I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   agree with you there as well I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/804">TS</a>]

00:13:25   think I think as we discussed on are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   making a murderer episode the u.s. goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   crazy far and what it allows to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   broadcast like I don't think that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   should be broadcast inside of courtrooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   like that seems antithetical to justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   but yeah I completely agree like 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   public servants engaged in public debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/819">TS</a>]

00:13:43   like you can't use this footage to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   fun of people like that that's bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   and what I really want to know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   like so we have just seen these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   tweets from from charlie brooker what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   want to know is is how does this affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   a youtube channel like I always forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59   his name is a mixtape boy is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   that the one our cassette boy is set boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   thank you i can see the little pirate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/843">TS</a>]

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00:14:08   is this guy who does these amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   mashups of political footage and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/850">TS</a>]

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00:14:16   work he goes through to do you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   recut politicians speeches so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/858">TS</a>]

00:14:22   they're saying completely opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/862">TS</a>]

00:14:23   things like I trust me people have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/863">TS</a>]

00:14:26   this stuff done before the the cassette [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   boy does it amazingly amazingly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/868">TS</a>]

00:14:31   what's it like this is to this ban on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   programs that are poking fun at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   Parliament does it include internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   producers within the UK because that boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/879">TS</a>]

00:14:43   is located within the UK is this to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   seems like it's the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   might just blow up into a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   strong as an effect problem if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   also going to try to ban on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   it's yeah this copyright stuff is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/893">TS</a>]

00:14:56   is just ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   I have to rewatch it a cassette boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   stuff button in my head most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   stuff he uses is from like press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   conferences and outside the parliament [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   so I wonder if he does use parliamentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   for each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09   I can't remember now yeah i agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   most of the most of different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/911">TS</a>]

00:15:12   outside of it but it's still the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   that like could he use something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/914">TS</a>]

00:15:15   within Parliament i don't know i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   sure they can be ashamed i'm i'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   this this article about it and it points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   out that after one of Jon Stewart Daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   Show's was censored to so could be shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/923">TS</a>]

00:15:26   on channel 4 here in the UK but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   actually had to sense the scenes of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   Prime Minister talking at the dispatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   books Stewart then did another episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/931">TS</a>]

00:15:34   like asking about it apparently his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   quote was why why the people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   Parliament the most basic expression of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   British democracy is too fragile to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   withstand a gentle parody a good-natured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   kick to the cluttered creams but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   know if people that Jon Stewart putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   them under the spotlight and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/948">TS</a>]

00:15:49   still not budging then they probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   going to budge it does just for you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   like you're part of it our feelings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   so sensitive you can't make fun of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   at all despite the fact that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   public service right it's like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   it's intrinsically it's intrinsically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   laughable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/964">TS</a>]

00:16:05   maybe we need a new video from the from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   the new repo and flame-throwing cgpgrey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   don't drag me into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/970">TS</a>]

00:16:13   don't drag me into this after you finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   torching the fine brothers maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   time to turn that laser focus to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   British Parliament see if you can shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/978">TS</a>]

00:16:21   them into a go back there i'll see if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/981">TS</a>]

00:16:25   get divinely-inspired for that voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/985">TS</a>]

00:16:26   again this episode of Hello internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/986">TS</a>]

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00:16:37   purchase Harry's offers high-quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/997">TS</a>]

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00:16:42   price of the big brands Harry's was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44   started by two guys who wanted a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1004">TS</a>]

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00:16:49   so they make their own blades in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1009">TS</a>]

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00:17:02   your wallet now Harry blades are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   half the price of the usual brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   you're going to find in a store plus you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   don't have to go to the store you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   have to wait around for some guy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   unlock the anti shoplifting case they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   just shipped directly to your house no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:20   outdoor is required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:21   just the best the starter set is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   amazing deal for fifteen dollars you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   a razor moisturizing shave cream or gel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:28   and three razor blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   we need more blades they're just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   bucks each or less with Harry's you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   the convenience and ease of ordering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   online you get high-quality blades sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:41   to you in great packaging with nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   classy designs you get the shaving cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:46   and you get their excellent customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:47   service at half the price of the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:50   brands so get started today with a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1070">TS</a>]

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00:17:55   shaving cream for just fifteen dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1075">TS</a>]

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00:18:06   thanks to harry's for supporting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   show so gray is it time is a finely time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:13   as I guess we'll do it you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:19   feel like okay people after he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   bringing up Guns Germs and Steel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   that's why that's why Brady's poking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   me here i have this feeling like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:29   school again and there's some assignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   that I'm supposed to do and it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:34   keep going while handed in next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:37   ahead next week but then at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   time when you don't hand it in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   week there's some expectation that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   going to be something really good that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:44   you're handing in but now if you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   okay fine fine I'm just gonna hand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   this homework assignment and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:49   gonna be over and we're just gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   this so we're going to talk about guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   germs and steel but it's is not without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   its not going to be long people it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   going to be long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:58   we're just going to go over a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59   and then it's going to be done and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:00   going to be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:01   alright so by way of background if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:04   are new to the podcast we did an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   recently where we reviewed the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:09   guns guns germs and still grey has made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:14   two widely viewed videos which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   loosely based on some of the things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   the book we talked in the podcast about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   some views and opinions about things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   the book and graded worn at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:27   that this was a book full of ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:31   divided opinion and that turned out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:37   be true and looking at the subreddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40   dedicated to our discussion it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:45   certainly attracted many opinions many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:49   long long detailed comments arguing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   and against various various positions i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:57   have to say because I hadn't finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   the book and don't feel particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   passionate about her i could have dodged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   this bullet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:03   yeah and hannah has mainly been grazed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   opinions have been coming in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   scrutiny and so we've been saying up so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:13   we've been thinking do we address some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   of these days great answer back to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:16   of them and now's your chance grave all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:20   of the million things that was said are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   there any that you wish to address or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:23   speak back to ok so this to me is again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:30   it just like the first conversation it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   a little bit hard to know even where to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32   start because there's just so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   particular things that people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   argue over and I always find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   particulars just exhausting and again up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:44   with some links in the show notes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:45   but again you will see in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   conversations that i have had i am often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   saying how i agree with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:52   constraints and it brings me back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   this thing that I said at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   beginning which is that I find the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:02   the conversation around Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   Steel the reason that it creates a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08   argument almost much more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   than the particulars of the argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   itself it's like a horse's this division [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   and i have just been increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:19   interested in the way conversations on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:22   the internet unfold and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   just to me a perfect example of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   that I have seen many times where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:30   are talking past each other and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   very hard to get at the root of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   the fundamental disagreement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   so-and-so like with the last video that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   i just put up which was the America box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   part 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:43   and some some people want to argue about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   like were these animals really easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:49   domesticate them these animals like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   do we know we can't know unless we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   back in time like you want to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   the specifics of it and I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   interested in a much more higher level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   argument like I don't really care if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:02   Jared Diamond got some detail about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   ancient llamas and their breeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:08   seasons correct like it just it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:11   interest me i am interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   bigger picture of where they're easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:17   animals to domesticate in some places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   than others were they randomly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:20   distributed across the earth if so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   that's an interesting phenomenon like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   I'm not okay just don't care about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   details of this exact animal and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   Jared Diamond got it right or not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   that infuriates some people by always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   just want to reiterate at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   like don't forget this part internet i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   am always willing to just grant the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   historians that they are correct and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   that jared diamond is wrong on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   particulars I just granted it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   mean that I'm not like I don't care what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   is right i'm just saying that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53   there is this bigger picture to draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   from the book that is separate from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58   Jared Diamond and who he is and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:01   exactly he gets right and what exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:02   he misses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   I just think there's this this bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   picture to be drawn from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   I been thinking a little bit about why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:10   insights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   well I haven't been thinking about I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:13   just been thinking about it while you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14   been talking for the last minute that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:15   fine so that counts that councils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:16   thinking about it I've been trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   think about why insights so much passion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   and I mean the obvious thing to think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:26   that incites passion because people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   there's something racial going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:29   because of you know this book is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   why continent X you know dominated over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35   yeah constant Y and people could I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:38   see how people would associate that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:39   race but it doesn't really seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:43   racism much of an issue in the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   he'll always emphasizes that it's not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:49   think it must be more like nationalistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:52   people just feel like a bit of pride in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   their country and don't like to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   things about where they're from a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   and i can and i can give you a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   good example of that because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   something i always feel when when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   talked about guns germs and steel and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   realize how ridiculous this is like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   double ridiculous but I remember when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   when reading about and when you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   about why australia was a country that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   was never going to war or had very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   little chance of becoming the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   the source of dominance and I was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   going to be Australian who took over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   world and I remember every time i heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   that feeling like a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   resentment and like patriotism you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   thinking that's not true Australia's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   awesome and we experience can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   anything completely ignoring the fact i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   am a white European whoo-hoo actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   might my team did with ya like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43   it was it was it was the way you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   going to came and took over strategy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   steal when people when people talk down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   about a straight-set hasn't got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   resources and it couldn't have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   over i'm thinking here we could destroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   aliens are also liked her but who's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   we had said exactly exactly and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1496">TS</a>]

00:25:00   that that that disconnect and that lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   of ability to look at the bigger picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   even in the back of my brain when I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   it's ridiculous i think that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:08   I think people take things in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   personally when really this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   stuff that happened a long long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   had nothing to do with any of us really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:17   and it's an interesting discussion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   how we ended up where we did but i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   think a lot of is massively relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   anymore maybe it maybe it isn't some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:26   people think it is but but i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   think that i think this is kind of it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   an interesting it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   history to find out how we got him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   to me it's not that many steps removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   from how did the solar system formed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   like I'd love to know you know how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   the universe that I'd love to know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   it doesn't make a difference to when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:45   gotta get my haircut tomorrow right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   i think i think the world has gotten to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   a point now where how come some country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:53   X dominated over country why continent x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   dominated country why thousand years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1556">TS</a>]

00:26:00   ten thousand years ago however many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   thousand years ago feels like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   matter much anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:05   yeah this is this is part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:06   conversation we didn't get to in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   first discussion of Guns Germs and Steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09   but I completely agree that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   things about Guns Germs and Steel that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   find frustrating when people are arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   against it is that they bring it into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   modern context and I think that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:19   a theory that applies up to the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:23   that you have civilizations from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   different continents meeting each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   but at that moment like Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   Steel suddenly becomes very relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   right it's just a question of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:36   more likely to get you a civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:39   that can cross oceans but once once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   have people crossing oceans and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   transcontinental trade routes then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   geography of the people matters much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:47   less like it'sit's a dial that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:50   turned down over time but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   geography matters much more in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   beginning when every single advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   that you can possibly get really matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   because it's going to compound over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   but then once the whole world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   connected this doesn't this doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   such an effect anymore so I i agree i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   don't think it's relevant at all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10   modern times which is partly why i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   last time in the discussion like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   you asked it does it does it matter if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   this is right or wrong and and my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:18   is like in a modern world no it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   matter right because yeah if it's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   it doesn't have any predictive power for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   the next hundred years but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   people still feel like you're dissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:28   their continent like I felt about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   strategy even though it's not my content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   even though I'm the european guy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   I'm the American here right like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   and I think that's what people think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   feel like you're dissing their animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   are you missing their continent and sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   of that continent wasn't good enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:42   yeah you're marsupials ish man there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:46   yeah you can't even take a kangaroo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:51   yeah even if you could tame a kangaroo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:53   is going to pull the plow know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   it's worthless worthless worthless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   kangaroos and I'm like a star strategies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:01   awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:02   yeah well i'm not i'm not actually super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:06   sure how how much it is that people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   defensive about their own content that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   that never occurred to me before because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:11   i just i don't have that feeling at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   it never would have occurred to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   feel defensive about North and South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   America being terrible countenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:18   either but anyway a couple of the points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   that I do just want to touch on really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   quickly is that i will put the links in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   the show notes there is a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   conversation between me and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31   reddit user Milosh is reddit name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:35   I think this is probably a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   for anybody who really wants to dig into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   the details of me having an argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43   with someone else and this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:46   follows a what I feel like is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:50   well worn pattern for arguments that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:54   have had about this book with many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   people from many different backgrounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   there is some back-and-forth here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   what I think is the interesting thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   that i'm trying to get at what i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:07   is this fundamental difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:11   do people think that there is any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:15   predict ability in history pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:18   transcontinental civilizations or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   and many historians seem to take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:25   position that there isn't any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   predictability and it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   because they will immediately go to free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   will and how cou you're disregarding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35   notion of free well now get on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   record here I don't believe in free will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   I think it is a fairy tale that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   tell themselves but in the context of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:44   discussion of history i'm always happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:45   like look let's not argue about free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   will cause we'll be here forever i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   just i will just happily grant to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   that Free Will exists and let's take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   whole conversation forward from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:55   but so many historians are of the view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   that because Free Will exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   you can't make these generalizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03   that Guns Germs and Steel wants to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:06   that Eurasia was more likely than other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:09   places to take over the world and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   think that you can make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   generalizations even if Free Will exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:17   and I think that that is at bottom level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:21   like the fundamental disagreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   that is taking place here and and trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   to read through the many many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   threads of people who've been arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   about this and people who've written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   some articles about this like yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   everyone i have read all of the articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   i have read just about everything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:36   this i think like that is the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   root level of this is like a question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:43   human agency and my view is even if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:49   grant the existence of free will and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:53   human agency that humans are allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   make their own decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   yeah that it seems crazy to me that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   people will argue against the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:03   human decisions are constrained by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:08   environments that you cannot like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:12   there's an example that i'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   trying to use and I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   conversation going to link to is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:16   example of of what kind of happens where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   I want someone to answer a very specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:23   question that i have here is this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   that I wrote in the discussion right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   said do you agree with what I view is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31   the counterclaims like do you agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   like my portrayal of of your argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   that all continents are equally as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:38   likely to produce empire building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   civilizations like that seems to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   counter-argument if you are saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:46   there's no predictability you are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   that someone living in the aboriginal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:52   desert right or in Antarctic ice sheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   that those people are just as likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   be able to come up with empires of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   someone else and it is so interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   me that in all of these conversations no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   matter how many back and forth i have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   can never get someone to directly answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   that question all I will all I will ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   get back as people saying you can't do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   historical what if historical what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:17   questions are meaningless so we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   have this discussion that's not a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   that we can say or they'll say oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   are trying to make a statistical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   argument but we only have a sample size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   of one earth so we can't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   statistical arguments and that this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   is the back-and-forth that happens when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   i feel like--okay we here at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   disagreement is our fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   well and it is crazy making me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   feel like for the love of God right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   if you have a tribe of people living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   10,000 years ago and what will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   Deadhorse Alaska the very northern part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:48   of that state there there's no way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:53   those people are going to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   build an empire like civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   there's just nothing there for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   think they're not gonna have agriculture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   they're not going to be able to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   advanced technology they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   conquer the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   hmm it just seems it just seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   like you can't argue against that and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13   you like if you historian will grant me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16   this one case that people living on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:21   sheet of ice are slightly like even ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:26   so slightly less likely to take over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   then you have granted what I see is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   only thing I need to make the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   this argument there is some statistical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:38   money balling of history that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   on a grand scale over long periods of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   time but I am trying very hard here not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:48   to misrepresent the other side but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   is the argument that I come up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:52   where people will not grant that or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:56   will just avoid answering that one part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   of it and and that is what i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   the fundamental disagreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   well that's because they know how much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:03   mean you shouldn't be giving if I answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   yeah and that's why I like sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   feel like there's a there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   bizarre i don't know how to put it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   I feel like they don't want to get dress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:17   this for life like for some other reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   yes it's funny that you mentioned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:21   the race stuff before because as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:25   when these conversations happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   inevitably forget about many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:29   arguments many times not under my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   name on the internet while of anonymity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   on the internet is like I could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   cgpgrey and argue on some random forum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   about concerns do you like nobody knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:38   it's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:39   Nevernever everyone's gonna be seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   cgpgrey ghosts on every single yeah for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   you never know you never know it's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   but so this is one thing comes up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   the time which is that the person I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52   argue against when I feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   digging down to this moment where I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   saying like to you think Aborigines are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   as likely to take over the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   nothing to do with them being Aborigines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   but doing the fact that they were in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   middle of a desert right with terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   animals and no resources accessible at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   10,000 years ago bc level technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   then there comes a moment where someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   is saying something like why are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   measuring success as people taking over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   the world and so this exact thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   happened in this conversation where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   person i'm arguing again says why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   conquering the world the measure of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   historical success like shouldn't we be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   impressed with how people are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   live in incredibly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31   circumstances in various parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   world is like that to me seems like I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   don't think you're intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   diverting the conversation but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   this is like the medic evolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   this is a thing that comes up all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   time because it ends up turning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   conversation into something else like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   mean yeah that's it that's not what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   books about that's why I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   discussing right yeah like that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   not about the books not about 10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   years ago who was the happiest ya books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   about or most successful it was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   her wedding took over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   killing other people that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   precisely how I feel but there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   like this weird thing where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:07   conversations do get derailed in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:10   this way where someone else's like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   are you saying Europeans are so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   it's like that is the reverse of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   conversation that we're having like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   we're having the exact opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   conversation and i will refuse to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   drawn into this because again i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   think it's a diversion but I think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   this is just an evolution of how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   conversations go like I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   meme inside your head in my head that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   having some other argument and is taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:35   this little moment to like blossom into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   the world by jumping into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:38   conversations staff Greg you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   this pretty deeply yeah well I can i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   just really think that this encapsulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   a kind of thing that I see and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   other arguments because the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:53   other point here is that it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   interesting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   in particular the bad history subreddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   when people start talking about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   argument and again i'll link to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   threads about this but it is this idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   of of the infuriating totems that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:09   mentioned in the this video will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   you angry thing where it is it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   very interesting over the past few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:16   to see how things that i have said on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   the podcast have mutated into the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:23   infuriating versions of themselves that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:26   they could possibly be and so forth like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   for two examples people represent my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   argument as absolute determinism that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:35   am saying that if you knew enough about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   the world you could predict everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   that was going to happen throughout all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   of history and it's like I'm not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   that argument jared diamond's not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:45   nobody's making that argument like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   that's a crazy argument to make that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   the argument that people want to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:52   against and it is also just infuriating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   like it's incredibly wrong and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:59   other one that I think has been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   very interesting to see has actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   come out of this podcast so when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   discussed Guns Germs and Steel last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   I made the remark at the end about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   I overly endorsed Guns Germs and Steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:15   as the history book to rule all history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   books at the end as a way to like troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   people who were clearly going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   getting irritated by the video as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   were watching it all the way through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   end and that would be like the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   capture that would set them off but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   has turned into and I've trying to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   against it but I know like this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   a losing battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34   I have seen people say cgpgrey doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:38   believe anything in Guns Germs and Steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   and he made that whole video just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:46   piss off historians write this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:50   about me like this isn't just I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   this is an interesting pattern that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   see in the world that happens with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   conversations right where suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   people are arguing against like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   this infuriating totem version of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:06   it's like boy I would hate that guy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   write like if someone who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10   built a career as a person who is making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:14   educational videos then intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   made something that was false just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   screw around with the community that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   doesn't like so much like wow what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   dick that guy would be right like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   would totally agree with that so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   the thing that I want to mention here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   which is like the broader point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   especially after having done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   podcast and seeing this happen to myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   like with conversations like language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   that we discussed a long time ago in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   bunch of other things basically i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   come to the point and I think everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   should keep this in mind that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:47   have only heard about another person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:51   opinions from someone who doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   that person you need to be extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   suspicious of that yes that is true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2396">TS</a>]

00:40:01   i think it's less obvious than you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04   it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:04   yeah right yes less obvious than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   think it is and I have definitely found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   a bunch of very interesting cases where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   like I have intentionally done a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   over the past year much more than I ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:14   used to which is when I keep hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   about how awful someone is like oh let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:19   me let me go actually try to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:22   a little bit about their viewpoints on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   topic X or whatever it is sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   they're still just awful people but many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   times I have been surprised and go okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   well like this person i thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   awful i thought it because I wasn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   aware of it but I had only ever heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   their views in these like vastly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   distorted ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42   yeah and it's like okay yeah i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   that this person this imaginary totemic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:48   version of this person was absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:49   awful but it's like it is just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   cartoonish version of their actual views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   like and that is really interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   to see firsthand and again like the Guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   Germs and Steel thing like again I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   trying to dismiss all arguments against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   it as as this totemic thing there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   plenty plenty to to criticize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   legitimately i just think this is to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   an interesting example of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13   phenomenon in action and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   interesting for it to be happening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:18   myself over a topic that again as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   said at the beginning like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   really matter that much if guns germs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   and steel is right or wrong so like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:25   is all like a fun intellectual game in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:28   some ways which I'm sure someone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   take out of context but it's just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   think it's very interesting to see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   conversations unfold and if you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:37   really want to see a back-and-forth in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:40   more detail with many thousands of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   i will link to a couple of things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   show notes for you to go take a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   four conversations you have this great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:50   interest in arguments and debates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   the spread of how you to know the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   of stuff you know you've made a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:55   about it and you've been talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   it now it's like it interests you a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   intellectually matter what the debate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   about and I sometimes wonder whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   not that comes from just who you are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   what your mind is like or it comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   the fact that I feel like you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:10   very internet existence you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   have this sort of very ready and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   internet existence and and and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   kind of the hotbed for this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   place this is where this stuff is at its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   most overt and wild and I wonder whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:25   that feeds into that has made you more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   interested in it or you just met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28   naturally into that sort of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   because you know your guy who likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   debating and intellectual discourse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:34   whether or not you spend so much time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   read and watch so much people throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   crap at each other that you now have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   become very interested in the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   crap throwing yeah well the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   definitely takes crap throwing 211 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   like there's no there's no disagreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   with that and i think the Internet has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   an effect of magnifying certain features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:52   of arguments so that they are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   obvious and it's more clear I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:58   exactly sure when this started but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:03   mean I can definitely say that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:06   the most interesting things that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09   out of seeing a lot of arguments on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:10   internet is this recognizing of patterns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:15   and recognizing how oh this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:20   is is that these participants think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:24   they're having this conversation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   actually they are an instantiation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   this pattern that occurs all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   looking at it like a level above like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   that it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   I don't know it becomes different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   seeing two people having an argument if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   it becomes i'm seeing this pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   spread through the world and i think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   of the best ways to do this is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:47   actually like so like I read it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   change my view which has a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:49   just arguing and debating about whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   pick a topic on there like look at what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:54   people are discussing and pick something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   that you just don't have any interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   that you don't like you haven't decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   what side you're on em and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03   watch people argue with things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   are not a part of it becomes much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   clear like oh there's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   metastructure here there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   that is not specific to this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   that is still happening and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   where it is most clear where you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   this thing where people argue past each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:23   other when you don't have a dog in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   fight it becomes much more obvious when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   like Oh person on side a you're arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:31   against an imaginary version of person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   on side B and person on side B you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   doing the same thing like you two are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   not actually arguing against each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:40   or you can have the case where which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   feels a bit like the Guns Germs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:44   Steel thing was like I am a person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   is conceding 99% of the ground in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:51   argument but the other person constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   think that we have much more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:56   disagreement that we actually do and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   it's I think it basically long story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   short i think you're right i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2702">TS</a>]

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00:45:10   interest that i have in this already and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   it's definitely something that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:14   has been growing over the past year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   argue about it in the comments people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:22   you lost all your episodes of hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   internet from your computer tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2724">TS</a>]

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00:45:30   website or perhaps somewhere like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   chains but whatever your personal data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   disappeared tomorrow your photos private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:38   information that novel you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   working on for the last eight years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   where would you go what would you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   maybe anti-stress maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   you remember to back them up to external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2747">TS</a>]

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00:45:51   now wasn't always an eight months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2751">TS</a>]

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00:46:45   all back place was founded by X Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   engineers and it will run natively on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   your mac and all your pace eh it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2810">TS</a>]

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00:47:07   I think once you've seen an action it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   will probably sell you on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   thing that address again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   backblaze dot-com / hello Internet the / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:16   hello internet will let them know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   came from here on the podcast and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   always our thanks to back plays for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   supporting the show so as we record but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:26   what I should be doing right now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   packing did this happen before when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   were supposed to be packing that somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   we're recording a show with me instead i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   am going on a holiday briefly to India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:37   oh and then and then the main the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   body of the holiday is in Bhutan which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   is a place I've never been to before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   I'm very excited about visiting time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   and quickly click click you must have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   fight you must vaguely remember is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   always get a very clear i like batons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   near indonesia no I wouldn't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   problem is i know they have the dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   flag like that's the thing that leaves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:00   into my head but I have nowhere idea in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   oh I'm confusing them with confusing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   with brunei that's what I'm thinking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   entire nations of fruit and fruit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   I'm sorry to other Tim intimidate those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   who live there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   I can't speak for bringing our but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   would be very surprised if we have many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   listeners in Bhutan it's bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:22   forbidden kingdom and technology has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:25   only sort of just started coming to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   so what are you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   we mean technologies only just started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   coming to it what what what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   apocalypse happened there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   no it's just one of these really sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:35   you know forbidden sheltered places his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:38   reputation for that so what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   by the word forbidden you always hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   the word forbidden used when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   people talking about bhutan because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   they're like they don't think many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   people in and things like that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   a forbidden kingdom the word forbidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:51   shows up once on the wikipedia page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   saying that proselytism is forbidden by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:57   a royal government decision in Baton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   well they again that the day that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   don't think that's backing up your case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   1 match for bitter flame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   nope they're famous for forbidding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   you're forbidding proselytism here we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   here's a blog he's a wall street journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   block with I say forbidden kingdom opens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13   up a little bit like I don't care what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:14   you say i'm calling it forbidden because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   it sounds awesome haha I'm sorry Brady I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:19   didn't mean to try to take away your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:20   forbidden kingdom that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   visit in him the myth mystery of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   east and and one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:28   things that really got me interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   going there there is a mountain there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   which is the highest mountain in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   world that has not been summited and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   can't i can't say it's like ganga poon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:39   some are you going to summit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   mountain Brady i'm not going to so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   i just want to see it out with much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   interesting obviously i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:46   summarize seriously don't you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   you been up mount mount everest happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   regarding what do you know why ganga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   pues name has not been submitted great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   obviously not i'll tell you why because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:58   it's forbidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59   it is not you are not know you are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:03   allowed to climb up the government of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04   Bhutan has banned the climbing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   mountains over 6,000 meters and ganga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   prints are is 7507 teenagers high which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   is very high so that's that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   allowed to decline it is a forbidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   mountain I would say it's prohibited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   that too but the prohibited kingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23   doesn't sound quite as good as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   forbidden kingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   not even close though so I depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   the weather i hope to catch a glimpse of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   that mountain from a distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   otherwise otherwise the clouds may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   forbid my viewing of it as well they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   block your viewing of it so i'm hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   to get a look at it and I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   looking forward to Bhutan or i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:42   report back to the hello Internet nation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   upon my return but going there doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:51   involve me going to india twice i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   to stop in india on the way we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   to go and see the Taj Mahal was no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   receiver Cena and then we have to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   in India when we come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   this brings me to one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   topics Indian vases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   yes I I hear that the Indian government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   bureaucracy is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   well last time I went to India I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   real mon on the podcast because i had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   go all the way to Birmingham which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   city a few hours from where i am and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   feel that all these forms in person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   india has introduced this electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   these are system and everyone tweeted me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26   an emailed me and said I already know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   this is coming in you know what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   think about it and I couldn't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:31   people what I thought about it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:32   hadn't done i have now done and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:36   to take my hat off to the indian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   government I didn't think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   possible to replicate the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:43   terrible terrible experience of visa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:46   application in person in the online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   format but they've done it for real they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:51   they have managed to transfer the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:54   egg disappointment an impossibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:57   their visa system very effectively onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   the internet that sounds amazing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   only thing that sleeping into my head is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   on my list of games to play it is a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   called papers please and it is a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   where you just look through documents as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   a government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:13   employee like it has a paperwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   replicator and so I like this idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:19   someone in the Indian government like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   it's really terrible to apply to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   faces in person how can we capture the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   feeling of that and put it onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   internet they have they have captured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:30   the feeling and I you should add to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   list of games to play applying for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   indian visa just for the fun of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   would be the only reason to go to India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   I'm going to ignore just the bad design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:42   and an intuitive layout and just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:46   general unpleasantness of that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   you know that's a matter of taste and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   maybe culturally Indian webpages are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53   different and finally to I need to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   with that i don't know i don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   but ok sure go ahead but having sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   arbitrary red asterisks is next to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   things that have to be filled out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   not filled out and then changing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   mind and saying you've got to go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   fill that out even though it didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   an Asterix that I had whatever whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   yeah i'm sure this is that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:11   cultural difference but the level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   detail they want to go to this country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   to continues to amaze me and okay i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:20   guess like I was able to recollect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   the intimate birth details of my parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   eventually then being asked to list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   every city I've ever been to in india is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   when I've been there a few times now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   not it's not easy being asked the visa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   number and the address of the last place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   i stayed in when I was in India was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   quite a challenge digging up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42   information but my favorite was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:45   required to list all the countries i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   have visited in the last 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51   oh la la [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:55   I know like I know like I'm an old guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   so I've tried i travel a bit now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00   like that's a long list and like I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:03   do it I travel as little as possible but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:06   i would have a hell of a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   coming up with all the places i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   been in the last 10 years and I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   the bank the other day actually having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:13   quite a good bureaucratic experience for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   once but they needed to know the address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   of the house I lived in two houses ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   let's say I can't do that either now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   this is within the past five years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   was like I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:26   I got nothing right there's nothing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   my head about this look can you give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   the first letter of the postcode now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   have i have no idea that I just I text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   my wife whenever that happens I'll be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   a bank saying what was the address of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   that place we lived in Nottingham that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:39   third place like she's amazing for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   but I got no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43   so anyway and excruciating amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   detail was required now I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   they're pretty they're pretty delicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:52   about people that have connections with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   Pakistan and if i just said have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   ever been to Pakistan or have you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   any relatives who are from pakistan i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   would understand there are there issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:01   uh-huh but but this was this was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   was an ordeal and it was worsened by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:07   fact i had to apply for me and I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   volunteered to do my wife as well so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   had to go through it twice but no i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   didn't have to go through it twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   I didn't have to go through it twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   because he is the other catch you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:19   only do one entry and we are going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:23   India on the way to Bhutan and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   we're coming into india again on the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   back like a week and a half later that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   requires a whole separate visa and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   have to go through the whole multi-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   website again and do a whole thing again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   but also you can only do it in this kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   of window one month out from when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   so I filled out the form not knowing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:44   was going to have this problem having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:45   do it twice i filled out the form you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   filled out the thing when went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   the house separate thing you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:51   then do to pay the sixty dollars to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:54   other Bank which never works and takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   about eight goes to make work over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:57   series of days but then I found out okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   you've got your visa but that's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   going to get you in once you now have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   wait for the other window to open for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   your other visa to go into India when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   you coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09   they make it so hard to get into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   country and pulling up a map here right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   mm why are you going to India like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   just stopping over on your way to Bhutan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   right why don't you just give India the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   middle finger and just just stop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:21   Pakistan get a connecting flight in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   pakistan i did for rizzle abad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   something I don't know I've never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:28   to Pakistan and I i can imagine applying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   for visas there is probably also not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   world's easiest experiences you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   find all that next over its Afghanistan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   right I'm sure that we can use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   connecting flight in the cool like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   just I'm trying to help you here because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   okay if I know fine let's go we'll go a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   little bit more west we can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   connecting flight out of Iran is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   that work for you can begin connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   flight out of around this is not an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   part of the world to travel to visit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:53   I have to I have to say my wife loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:56   india and we both want to see the Taj [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:58   Mahal so that is why we're guy and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   sure will be lovely and all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   problems with the visa will be will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   long forgotten will they though I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:07   like this kind of stuff sticks in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08   craw for a long time i have had problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   with these as every time I've ever gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   to India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   mhm and some of them have involved mercy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   missions in the middle of the night to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   go and get some guy to unlock the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   embassy for meeting to look to sign some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:23   document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   well i think i'm on my long list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   reasons never to go to India this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   just another one don't say that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   we have like we have lots of business in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   India and there they really could eat my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   own i'm sure they are good emailing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   sorry yeah I'm never going to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   country like I have no interest in going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   your visa sounds like a real pain in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   butt I swear like if I saw it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:45   if I had some some even mild interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   into going to india and I load up a visa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   page and I could see the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   page it said you know click Next for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:52   Paige to that would be enough to totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   defeat me like African i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   India like I mean you know me gray i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   always trying to get you to go places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3478">TS</a>]

00:57:59   and do things that I've done because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   that's just what I don't know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   trying to get you to go into pole but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:03   i'm not selling you in india yet i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:06   I'm yeah that's character because that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   have to get them to fall experience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:12   it's just I yeah when we get are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   flight through let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   yeah we get our connecting flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   through Baghdad to depaul at napo's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   to get into the forbidden kingdom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:25   Bhutan I can't tell you because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   travel agent had to do those vases it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   so forbidden that I couldn't even do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   visa application that's how forbidden it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   is i don't even know what was involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   I don't know where they were paper bags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   exchange in the dead of night or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:38   mysterious magic words have to be spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:41   but yeah I don't even know what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   required I've just got your bribes paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   bribes paid that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   but yes so i'm not going to india and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   email Brady but sometimes I defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:53   bureaucracies because I think Roxy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   have a bad rap my favorite experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   with the bureaucracy ever was when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   getting qualified to be a teacher here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   in the UK i am a foreigner I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:06   immigrant in the UK and so at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   I was talking with my advisor and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:12   was telling me oh we have to get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   certified that you can speak English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:17   ok i am talking to you right now is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   is this not good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   she goes no everyone who is from outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:27   the UK you have to bring to me a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:31   of paper that says that you are fluent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:34   in English and so I had to book an exam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:38   to go to this building to take it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:42   take a test to prove that I could speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   English and and what I think was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   to happen i thought i'm going to be okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   so i'm going to get into like a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:51   with some dude and it's like oh haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   we'll have a fun chuckle over this won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:54   we write like any American speak English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:57   nope the only way that the test just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   nope the only way that the test just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   see if I was conversing in English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   enough to teach in a UK school was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:07   entirely an on-screen computer test that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:12   was multiple choice I had to sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   for like an hour answering a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   questions in English and then they gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   me a piece of paper which said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:20   congratulations you passed you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   squirt speak english and then i gave my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   advisor back at the university that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:28   piece of paper and in front of me she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   could take a little box on her form that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   said yes this person speaks english [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   great that sounds like your dream come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   true you didn't have to interact with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:37   person just a screen like you I would've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   thought you'd be quite grateful for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   i lost a whole afternoon of my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   Brady a whole afternoon of my life never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   never gotten back I couldn't I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:49   retrieve that afternoon but that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   was like the apex apex of what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   bureaucracy was because it wasn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   that like oh my advisor then has to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:59   off this piece of paper to someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   who doesn't know me is like no no just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   within her system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   she's not going to take this box until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   she has the piece of paper even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   she knows that I speak English like can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   you just pretend that you have the piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   of paper is anyone ever going to check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   now we've gotta gotta crank the gears of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   the Machine dehumanizing us all what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:22   sort of questions we asked you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:23   much about the test i don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:25   anything about it except a vague feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   of being slightly nervous like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   gonna actually fail this test about can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   I speak English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   did you have to speak answers or would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35   you just touch screen like it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   which one of these words is cloud or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   something or did you have to say things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   i could have been totally mute there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:42   nobody there i didn't have to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:44   anything i was just clicking buttons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   the screen so to prove that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   speak English you didn't actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   to speak you could have had no tongue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:50   and passed that test that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   entirely correct yes who is only mildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   mildly less frustrating than the test i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   also had to take to prove that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   do grade-school math my bachelor's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   physics was apparently not accepted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:08   the University either that was not okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   even though it was also accepted into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   the program to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   physics teacher no I also as a foreigner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   had to take a test that proved that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   could do multiplication up to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:21   including numbers as large as 12 do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   know i want to say i want to say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:24   process you have to go through to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   a schoolteacher in India please list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   your class schedule for all schools you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   have been to for the past 20 years have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:35   you not wait you're celebrating no okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:39   Matt so like I let you slide last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   but i think i need to have like a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   intervention here because how long has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   it been since you weighed yourself six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   months now it's been a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:50   yeah i mean you can do an intervention i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:54   feel that maybe i need to do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   intervention on you and realized you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   know I feel like saying she he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:00   not that into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:01   just let me like if you truly love a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:06   biweekly way and you let it go and if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09   it Richard if it returns to you it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   truly yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:12   so you've got to let me go and if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   start weighing myself again then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:15   truly yours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   see here's the thing here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   Brady yeah I i know this about you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:23   it is it is the very fact that I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:27   putting this bi weekly weigh-in in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   and i'm trying to bring it up again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   I'm trying to put you on the hook again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:34   I think that you being on the hook for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:38   your health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:39   I think this is a good thing for you I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:43   want you on the hook it but if you truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   knew me you would know making me do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   rigid thing every two weeks is not how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:51   I don't care if it's exactly every two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:54   weeks like whatever I just don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   let you try to have this just slide away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:59   like you have been doing from the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   beginning since we haven't started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   that's right i always liked got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   evolutionary way you've gotta let me go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   free but see I when you say that all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   hear is that you you just want to drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:13   your diet Pepsi's unmolested that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:15   that's what you want to do diet pepsi is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   a good they got no calories the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   the thing is the thing is I've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:22   want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:23   I can't do it because you want me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   who it's going to come from within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   well of course of course how do we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   you to want to do it from within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   how do we inspire you ready I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   but I don't think it's gonna happen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:34   the next 10 minutes so what are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:36   points you want to cover the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   I was brought up the pie weekly weigh-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:39   this week is I thought and I just let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   slide last week because I knew last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   I wasn't even sure I I me but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:46   mind the bye week away and but to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   it's not a biweekly way and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   health corner right but let's be cool if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52   I was God is something like a meta joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:53   now right 55 yeah way although it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:56   but it does pose the question the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   elephant in the room is is bi-weekly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   twice a week or fortnightly we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   know we don't we're not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   distracted right that's that's mimetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:04   warfare right there hitters we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   getting there and if you think getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   students students controversial you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:09   tried talking about whether something's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   bi weekly or fortnightly so okay so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:16   here's why here's why I thought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:17   would be a nice gentle point of reentry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:21   for the bi weekly weigh-in because last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   time I was very happy to be under 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:27   pounds but this time i am back over 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:31   pounds eyerly entirely through my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:36   actions and my own fault i weighed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:40   myself this morning and I am 201 pounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:43   but I was Milo was 198 so I am up three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:47   pounds from my bottoming out there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:51   so I thought this was this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   time to again just reiterate reiterate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:58   my fundamental idea here that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   not about succeeding every single time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   that the skill is about getting back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   the wagon and about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:06   yeah being able to constantly recommit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:09   yourself to the thing that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   trying to achieve and so when I saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   I was over 200 pounds i was a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:16   entirely surprised for reasons that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   will mention shortly but be I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   okay it's okay like this is not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   failure i was i was genuinely hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   that after getting back down under 200 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   like I will never be over 200 again but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:29   like that that to me is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   wrong kind of thing to think that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33   because then it's like oh there's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:34   one way to fail here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   where is the correct way to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   this stuff is like no no you just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   you didn't follow the system and now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   just need to get back on with the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4000">TS</a>]

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01:06:45   thought it would be an excellent time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:48   bring you back on board but maybe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   maybe not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:51   I mean what I mean what you say is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:54   grades 4 and it's motivation to hear so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   you are doing make good by saying I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   motivational speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4019">TS</a>]

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01:07:01   what a lot of people have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:02   inspiration from and and like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   saying people should do this but I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   it really touching how many people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   really started health tips because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:09   those t-shirts you thought of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:12   finished Ron t-shirt so many people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:14   like posted pictures or send an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   saying I've got one that just made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   decide to get really healthy and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   really they're doing well I felt a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:23   that way when i first got it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:24   honest like I stopped wearing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:25   time and going for runs and I've stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4045">TS</a>]

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01:07:34   little kick my guess is it's partly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   fact that they are people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   listening to the podcast as well I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:41   like the podcast was out on a somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   regular basis so yes I do like seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4063">TS</a>]

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01:07:50   far that I definitely like the best are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4070">TS</a>]

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01:07:55   time lost some weight like I will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:58   grow tired of those and I think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4078">TS</a>]

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01:08:03   connected to a podcast that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   listened to on a regular basis like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4085">TS</a>]

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01:08:14   every two weeks you hurry to explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4094">TS</a>]

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01:08:33   start by saying and having excuses right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4113">TS</a>]

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01:08:40   video that came out and add a meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   has always been my danger zone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4122">TS</a>]

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01:08:48   then too I just eat garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   all the time while animating and three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:52   don't move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   looks like three solid days of just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   worst I could possibly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4136">TS</a>]

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01:09:01   because i didn't stay up all night like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   I normally do and so ended up dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   out the animation / many more days i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:08   think it took me five days to animate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   and setup just the usual two or three so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   okay so like baby steps baby steps but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:15   still did wasn't exercising and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   also just eating a bunch of garbage but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   chief among them was popcorn which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:25   just that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   the black hole of danger for me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   can't get near the popcorn because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   will eat all of it in the world I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   there's no amount of popcorn that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:37   eating how can that be bad i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39   popcorn is just corn which is healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   because it's like you know vegetable II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   and its air its air blown into corn that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   sounds like the healthiest food in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:48   okay listen listen this is going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4188">TS</a>]

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01:09:54   I when I listen to this american life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:58   before i had to give it up because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   just found a too tedious and yeah I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   couldn't deal with this american life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:03   but they did an episode which was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:06   people who had food allergies but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:10   who could but that couldn't give up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:13   food so they be people who would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   they would have something like shrimp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   that they just totally loved but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   would have horrific allergic reactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   to it so they would just EpiPen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   themselves while having shrimp right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   maybe just accept the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   were going to be deeply uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   for a long time and I remember listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   to that shown thinking how can anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34   possibly be like that like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   these idiots doing eating these foods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   that in some cases just totally endanger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   their lives shrimp and prawns is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:43   probably the third that would make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   tell you that too so it's funny chose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   that example but anyway yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4246">TS</a>]

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01:10:56   certain point of carbs i have discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4256">TS</a>]

01:11:00   that you can basically give yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   allergies to carbs after a long enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:06   period of time first discovered this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   with milk which I had a really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   reaction to after not drinking milk for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   a very long time but popcorn is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:17   absolute worst and I haven't discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:21   the time vodcasts before but eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   picked up a pattern after say going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:26   the Martian and Everest and star wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:30   and a couple of movies at home sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   and now this last binge of animating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   that if I have popcorn in the evening I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:39   better not have to go anywhere the neck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4299">TS</a>]

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01:11:47   popcorn but it doesn't stop your hating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4307">TS</a>]

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01:11:54   and that the like the shells in popcorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:57   that the they can give you really pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:00   basically like a horrific internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   reaction in your intestines if you go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05   a really low carb diet but basically now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08   is Big Sight delicate like this though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   maybe maybe there's there's no polite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4331">TS</a>]

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01:12:16   bad decision but nonetheless nonetheless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   I find myself in this situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   now i am one of those idiots who was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4341">TS</a>]

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01:12:27   popcorn and thinking well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:28   you're not just going to eat one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4348">TS</a>]

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01:12:33   have anything scheduled for tomorrow for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4353">TS</a>]

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01:12:46   ahead with this and the following day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4366">TS</a>]

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01:12:58   it was children with I'm gonna do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:01   again I'm gonna pay this price I tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4381">TS</a>]

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01:20:55   people are basketball players right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   think that that's the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:59   converse argument here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4859">TS</a>]

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01:21:07   the things that make them successful I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   think that like that's I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4869">TS</a>]

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01:21:13   games i really want to know about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   first experience where do you start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   video games i really don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   sense of this at all i'm a bit older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21   than you I'm it probably started a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:23   early for me I was trying to think where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   it started for me and the first one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   wrote down with those you know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   handheld donkey kong games that Nintendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:32   used to make you mean the LCD screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   games yeah the 20 cds grades so I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:38   that donkey kong and i also had donkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   com2 of that and so I write that as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:43   first one so that was that was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:46   my earliest sort of gaming memories but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   the thing i want to say about that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:50   found this really interesting was i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:51   that donkey kong game where you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   you could clock the game by getting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   what 999 points and I remember spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4915">TS</a>]

01:22:00   hours and hours and days and days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   weeks and weeks trying to get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   that game and having like at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   having a high score of 970 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:09   I choked right before the end and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   consumed by the game and then eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   retired you know about put away in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   drawer and i never played again and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   moved on and I remember one time about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   five or six years later getting it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:22   and thinking for old times sake let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   put the batteries back in it and have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26   go and then I turned on and played it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:29   and the first time i played her i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:32   clocked up to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:33   straightaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   and I've never I've never fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   was it because when you're older you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40   just get better at things and was I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42   like better and smarter and more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:45   was a little kid was I just not capable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:46   of Donkey Kong was behind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:49   yeah it was what is that it was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:52   is that was a really easy game and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   when I was young but they were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   certain skills i didn't have and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:57   when i was a bit out like a light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   teenager or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:00   it was just like child's play but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:03   that's that could be the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:04   explanation could not okay well so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:07   our younger listeners who have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   what you're talking about just just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:10   set the stage here because i think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   answers your question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:13   yea the very first handheld video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:17   consoles of any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19   we're like gameboy sized things but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:22   were dedicated to a single game and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:25   were just a couple of LCD things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:28   screen that could light up or that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:29   not light up so if you think of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   old-fashioned calculator when you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   at the screen you can see that it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   draw arbitrary shapes that can only draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:37   the couple of shapes that will then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   appear as numbers today on what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:42   illuminated on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   yeah these games were so simple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   they built an entire game out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:49   concept where there would be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50   picture of a donkey kong that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   light up or not and so it could only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   in like three positions right and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:58   every single place that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59   possibly be on the board as a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:02   Mario like the picture would light up or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   not and so I think Brady these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:08   were so simple that yes adult you is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:13   just able to perceive it as the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:16   system that it is and just crush it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:19   whereas a kid was a kid it was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   was the man moving around like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   lost in that rifle but when I and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:26   cuz i also say more advanced games by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   that point it just seemed yeah it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   like up from a primitive intelligence to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:34   write his own your you were just able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   perceive it as the system of like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:38   there's only three spots that the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:39   the guy in the bottom can be whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   the barrels in this location like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:42   not it's not a moving barrel it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44   sequence of lights over there and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:47   is over representing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49   what it actually is so those things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50   just so so simple that was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53   convince them to even anything remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   like a modern video game I did feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   a god all those years later when i took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59   it out just got straight to the end yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:01   was that after you enjoy your car so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:06   that but then the first from there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   were actually I think my parents were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:10   quite although my parents went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:11   games they did like new gimmicks I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:14   so we were quite early adopters when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:15   came to the Atari 2600 console which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:20   used to plug into a huge wooden rank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:23   arena TV who that's you'd which took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:25   four people to lift because it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:27   heavy i'm pretty sure that you already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   had wood on it as well it all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:30   2600 there was wood on the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:33   yeah we did have that I had their only 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   i'll tell you what that TV though brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36   back fond memories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:37   it got to a point where whenever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39   switch to on you had to wait a good half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   an hour to 40 minutes until it became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   bright enough to be able to see things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:45   hmmm looks like if there was a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:47   collect the tube was so out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:48   parents didn't replace if there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   show on in 40 minutes you want to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51   you would turn the TV on now said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:54   the picture would be bright enough by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:55   the time the show started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:58   that's pretty bad that's pretty bad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:00   we went through this phase where I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:01   this like yellow glow crawling across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   the screen that we could never figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   out and it turns on we put it too close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07   to like one of the speakers from a sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   system magnetic shielding you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:11   have magnetic shielding for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:12   speakers otherwise they're gonna mess up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:13   your you're cathode ritu I was so into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:16   the atari games missed starting from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:18   really simple ones like outlaw was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:20   earliest memory and basketball with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22   those with just that square pixel bowl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:25   and to stick men literally to stick men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:27   that make your videos look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   masterpieces right playing basketball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:32   and I tell you I was amazing at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:33   game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:33   I was amazing at basketball then space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   invaders and defender and yars revenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   and all that but I remember when pole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:40   position came out on the Atari 2600 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:43   that was such a leap in graphics like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:46   thought this is amazing like games will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   never get better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:50   and if you google atari 2600 pole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:53   position and watch a YouTube video of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:54   being played and just think that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:57   was a time when i played that game and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:00   games won't get better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:02   graphics won't get better than this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:03   is I can't believe they have done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:05   it was extraordinary to me yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:08   definitely played some some of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   that racing game i was just googling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:11   couldn't remember precisely what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   but yes I i never i thought that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:15   thought I thought humanity had picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   with the making of that game and nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   would ever be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20   I mean just just repairs and here people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:23   write like the whole game is 256 pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:27   by 256 pixels on the screen it like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:32   pretty sure I'm pretty sure that icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35   on my mac are 256 pixels by 250-350 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:39   little bit like I was wrong because then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:43   eventually I got this game called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:45   pitfall to not the original pit for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:48   I actually got pic photo before pit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:49   alone and that that game was like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:53   like Tomb Raider to me I thought oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:55   goodness this is it's so complex it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:58   it's so incredibly layered and it's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:01   of depth and adventures to be had I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   could spend a lifetime playing this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:05   and never get to the end of it and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   course i watch someone play on youtube a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:09   bit earlier today and it was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:11   simplest thing in the world was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:12   good again it was it was ridiculous but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:15   at the time it was this whole world I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:16   could get lost in how old are you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:19   you're playing this Atari like what like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:21   what the time frame here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5301">TS</a>]

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01:28:29   early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5309">TS</a>]

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01:28:41   about the same amount of age younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5321">TS</a>]

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01:28:48   difference doesn't matter but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   you're talking about what were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5330">TS</a>]

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01:28:57   planets right that that is its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5337">TS</a>]

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01:29:03   are interested in technology when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:05   rewind and you're going across like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:07   were you experiencing computing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:10   nineteen eighty or 85 or 90 like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:13   these are light years apart and going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:17   through my own history of gaming like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:19   had some of the the handheld stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:21   you did that's why I know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:23   talking about with the donkey kong game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:24   and I had a neighbor who had an Atari so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:27   I played some games on there and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:30   sure that definitely a definitely helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:32   solidify our French it's like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:35   it sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:36   you can play video games wow I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38   make sure i always go over to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   but from for me like my own personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:45   gaming experience didn't really happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:47   until nineteen ninety when I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   gameboy it's like that was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:52   thing that I own that was actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:54   general gaming platform and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56   the difference between something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58   that and the Ataris just like it puts us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   at surprisingly far difference in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   way for what is the early experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07   gaming it makes me feel ancient that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   when i think of Sutherland younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11   listeners we could look these up now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:12   think oh my goodness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:13   right but moving to a computer was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   really interesting thing for me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17   computer that my mom bought for me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:20   an amstrad CPC 612 it and the reason she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:25   got this was because that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   computer that I used at my school for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29   computer lessons and that i was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:30   learn learn on social thought it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   make sense to have the same computer i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:36   don't know who she bought it from a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:37   she got up but she bought it from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:40   compete mysterious computer Jedi because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:45   the one we bought he had done so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:48   hacks to her and had made so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   and he'd like it literally added buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:54   to it like like actual red buttons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:56   did weird things that computers weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   supposed to do and my mom border with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:01   these two massive massive box is full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:04   disks and games that there must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:05   been two hundred maybe who discs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:08   most of them had multiple games i never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   got through finding out all the games he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:12   had on them but he also had all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14   software that did weird things and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:17   gave us this instructions on how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19   one of these discs to fix your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21   when weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:22   this happened and it was all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24   straight my mom had no idea that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:26   just me discovering all this stuff as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:27   put in disc after a disk and finding new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:30   games and new things but there was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:32   one disc this one bit of software that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   was like very powerful and magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:37   because I remember one time I had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:40   friend that was really into computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:41   and he was really into this 6128 and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:45   said you know you should come round and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:46   see more than one day its head to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:47   these weird things beyond and I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:49   all this software that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:50   understand and he came around and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:53   like I just showing him a map on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:56   back of the Declaration of Independence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:59   that he couldn't believe what I've shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00   him this is this powerful amazing piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   of treasure and I was then vanished from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   the room and he spent the next two days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   just copying everything and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:09   taking all this stuff so I had I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11   countless countless computer games and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:14   would i would some of them i would play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   for a few months and other ones i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   look at for 10 minutes and never play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:19   again but I was really into games at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:21   that point because i had this ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:24   number of them the pc gaming thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:27   where for me it's hard to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:30   precisely when this happened I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:31   trying to look through pictures earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:32   today that like place my own history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:34   with games but I to know that like why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   had a variety of computers when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38   young like I was lucky enough that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40   in a family that that had that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:41   thing and i also had like I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   know where they came from like did my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   dad get them i have no idea but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   was just tons of floppy disks with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   same thing with like there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:50   games on here where there's just random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   programs on here that do stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:55   having that computer places like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5575">TS</a>]

01:33:00   this is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:01   there's an infinite world of stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:04   explore in this box it's just amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:07   and that was my first experiences with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10   computer programming like wow there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:11   this system here that that I can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:14   in this very basic way with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16   computer programming or they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   these games that are these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   machines to interact with it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:23   just like very very horizon broadening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:28   for the right kind of person like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:31   nerds in our broad age demographic had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:35   this experience of a computer being just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   something so fundamentally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40   from everything else in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:43   it's just really being the adults don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:46   know what it is they just have it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   feel like oh our kids need this for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   future but it's just a machine like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:52   here kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5632">TS</a>]

01:33:53   here is a here is a corner of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   in which you have autonomy where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5635">TS</a>]

01:34:00   just interact with his virtual world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02   it will push back against you and if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:04   feels like okay you are as good as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:07   can be here or as bad as you can be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:09   like whatever you can figure out it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:11   entirely you figuring out and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   right kind of kid like that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:14   incredibly rewarding and i know i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:17   definitely that kind of kid I spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19   every free moment I possibly could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:23   on the computer just playing games or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:26   messing around or trying to write a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:28   horrible qbasic programs because it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:31   felt like it like an infinite universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   where I have autonomy and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:37   different from everything else in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:38   life when you're a kid at that age I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:41   feel like I mean perhaps because I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43   sports so much and I'm and I was in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:47   place with a really nice climate and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   did have a bit of balance and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51   spend every waking hour on the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   but i did spend a disproportionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:54   amount of time on the computer you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:57   me now I mean I can't cut my way out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:58   a paper bag then I did go through there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:01   was a brief window when I almost could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:03   have become one of those people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:04   i remember when we first started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06   learning coding like really basic stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:09   in school are just basic you know ten go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:12   to 20 type stuff right within that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   within a day or two that's it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16   computer teacher had taken me off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:18   the curriculum and while everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:20   just went through the textbook and typed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:21   in stuff and did their lessons and tests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   i was allowed to sit in accord corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:26   and just make programs i would just sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:28   there and make code things and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   games and make things and particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:31   just come along you know a few days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   it's amazing have you done that so i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36   get really into it for this brief period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:39   and then and that didn't happen but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:42   it didn't stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43   but I did stay with I did stay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:44   games and obviously a playstation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:47   playstation came along and and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:50   first Tomb Raider game was a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:52   game-changer for me too because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:54   funny thing was that was unheard it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:55   this really cool game and I went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57   rented it from a lot of the video store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   when used to go and rent games but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   didn't have the instructions and we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:04   no idea how to play at blue and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   remember really early in the game we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08   were just in this room like moving lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11   craft around walking into walls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   having no idea what to do and we must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:14   have spent like a good two hours made my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   mac thinking this game is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:17   it's the most boring game ever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:20   just while I was up against a wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   I like press the button and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24   Larry crafting bent down and pulled out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   one of those blocks to reveal to reveal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28   a new passageway and the minute she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:30   pulled that block out the way I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:32   oh my goodness this is something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34   special and I got obsessed with the tomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   raider games and I went I went through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   the first three or four tomb raider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   games and it was around that time that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:42   started working as a journalist and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:45   was still gaming in my spare time for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47   while for maybe the first three years as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:51   a journalist three or four years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   then it then it happened then the drifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   started so how so how old are you at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:58   point where you're trailing are from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5818">TS</a>]

01:36:59   games early twenties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:02   ok i made a brief comeback for uncharted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:05   drake's Fortune like I already like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:08   look at that and I played that one all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:09   the way to the end and i like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:11   that was that was after I moved to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:12   UK so i must have bought a console when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   I was in the UK to yeah i did buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:16   console in the UK but i never got really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:19   really obsessed with it and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:20   haven't been able to get back into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   since and I really want to like I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:23   at I feel the desire but I haven't got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:27   whatever it takes to get there whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28   the activation energy is to get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   into games has gone like it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:34   can't describe it it's like falling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:37   of love maybe or i mean his apathy what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   you're trying to describe yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   maybe it's that you know i love and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:44   love that i look at that i look at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:46   truck simulator game and think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:47   would really appeal to me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:48   always liked games that involve roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   and maps and I loved simcity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   other things and and all the designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   games that i know you get into designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   your prisons and stuff i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   would be really cool because when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5878">TS</a>]

01:37:59   a kid I used to love designing pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   houses or like used to love designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   pretend racetracks and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:06   so I love the idea of designing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   creating when it comes to that next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:10   of going out and buying what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:11   doing i just think know and part of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:14   doesn't you know that's probably for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:15   best because I haven't got time but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:18   have spare time you know I don't wanna I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:21   don't want to spend playing games and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:23   some people going to say to you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   games on your phone and I do have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   games on my phone and I occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:28   we'll play one but even then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:30   play for very long and we will say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:32   that means you still the gamer but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:34   doesn't really meet your game yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:35   don't think i don't think so i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   think that like that every year that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:38   the casual game world i was talking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:41   my parents about video games last time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:43   was i was in north carolina for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:44   summer they were discussing the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   of friends and there was like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:47   you know anybody who plays video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   and and they were like oh no nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:50   nobody plays video games there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:53   conversation when I would like you sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:54   no one plays video games like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   nobody does the end result of this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:58   though that in their circle nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:01   thought of themselves as playing video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:03   games but many people had casual games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:06   on their phone that they would play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:07   right but everybody seems to put this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:09   a different category in their minds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:11   oh I don't play video games I've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:13   sunk thousands of hours into candy crush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:16   on my phone but hopefully I you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:19   have a few games on my phone but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:21   definitely don't think they're up late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:22   for one or two hours over the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:25   a week and then never even again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:26   yeah so I think what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:29   here is something slightly above the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:31   level of like I just a casual thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:33   your phone to play for a few moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:34   understanding in line like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   different kind of game and any I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:39   those surveys that that try to reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:40   about like oh look everybody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:42   world plays video games like yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   don't think that's what people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:45   about when they're talking about video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:48   games but yeah so you just you just lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:51   that's what happened to you breathe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:53   lost yeah and I do and I wonder why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:55   either i wonder why i have or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:57   haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:58   that's what I'd like to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5998">TS</a>]

01:39:59   because you're well past the point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:01   i'd lost interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:02   yeah even though you're even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04   are just a baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:05   yeah 50 years younger than you yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:09   I'm like a grown-ass man who still plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:10   a ton of video games right and and oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:13   yeah i mean obviously you've created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:15   job for yourself now where you can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   have a lot of spare time but even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   you were teaching and you had like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21   i would call like a normal hours job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23   UNT games then yeah teaching was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:26   nadir of my video-game-playing by farm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   there was definitely a break the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:32   that i was doing teacher training and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:35   first year as a teacher where I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:37   think I played a single video game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:39   that entire span because they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:42   was no time available at all those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:45   those are brutal years for any new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:46   teacher and that just it just wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:49   possibility and then as my teaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:52   career went on and as I got better at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:54   and better at managing my own time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   having materials from from the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   years I did have more time to play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:02   and it was something that I slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:05   started to get back into after a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   break and in some ways I do wish that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:15   could be like you write in some ways i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:18   wish that i could be apathetic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:19   games in in on the one hand on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:23   hand kind of way like i wish i could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:25   apathetic about sport like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:26   afraid right yeah there's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:28   sometimes a feeling of like is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:32   how I want to be spending time like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:34   that thought does cross my mind and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:37   course as i get older and as mortality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:41   looms larger on the horizon like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   become more aware of that quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:46   naturally but i also know that the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:49   are a huge and enjoyable part of my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:53   and that's why there was this break for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   two years when I didn't really play them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57   remember having a couple conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:58   with with my wife around the time that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:00   was getting back into games about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:02   like this is something that i deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:05   enjoy in a way that i enjoy no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:08   kinds of things like this is a unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6128">TS</a>]

01:42:09   form of entertainment that is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:12   for me and that is also highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:14   meaningful and I was just amazed going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:16   back through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:17   some of the pictures that I happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:18   have of my younger life of trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:20   find like birthdays and Christmases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:21   looking around like a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   my parents got me video games and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   every birthday and Christmas and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:27   thinking about how like man I have such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:29   strong intense memories that are related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:33   to some of these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:35   yeah i think just a very easy example is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:37   a game like mist which was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:40   classic in the nineties but where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:42   explore this this island and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:44   some puzzles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:45   I normally hate puzzle games but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:46   one just happened to catch my attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:47   but I spent so many hours playing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:52   game when I think back on it every once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54   in a while like in in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:57   there are places that I go to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6177">TS</a>]

01:43:00   think this is so missed like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:03   in London there is this footpath that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:06   goes under the Thames at greenwich and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:08   cannot go there without thinking of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:11   game missed because it looks like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:12   is something right out of mist and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:16   island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:17   I swear the part of my brain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:20   remembers physical places that I used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:23   spend a lot of time like my school when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:25   I was a kid or the house that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:27   growing up that island of mists is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:30   physical in my mind as any of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:33   places that i have ever been like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:35   games can give you a sense of place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:39   I i just think that that is valuable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:43   interesting in a in a way that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:46   life experiences are not so when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:50   didn't have video games in my life I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   missed them and I'm very glad that I now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:56   have them back in my life even if i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   have occasional fleeting moments like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:00   this how I want to spend my time but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   think anytime you're consuming any form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:04   of entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:06   it's a very natural thought to have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:08   I think that sometimes when I'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6248">TS</a>]

01:44:09   movies or anything like that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:11   thought flashed through your mind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:12   like is this the best way to spend your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:14   limited hours on earth and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:16   like well yeah I do really like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:19   this kind of stuff I ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:22   I am sympathetic towards your apathy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:25   in some ways find it admirable like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:27   said in the way that you find my apathy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:28   towards sports admirable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:30   the funny thing is I amps ice slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:33   starting to feel that happened to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:34   with sports well who not as dramatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:37   I still really like especially with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:39   cricket but i'm a bit less engaged by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:41   few sports then I used to be and I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:45   a lot less of it than I used to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:46   think you're right i think it's time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6286">TS</a>]

01:44:48   think i just don't have time for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:50   these things anymore and like I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:54   get I could give them time and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:56   want to give them the time i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:58   rather do either work or other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:02   and I don't know so i think it's a bit i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:07   think i would almost be copping out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:09   almost humble bragging to say oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:11   because i'm more successful now and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:14   doing all these things and I haven't got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:15   time to play games and more sport i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17   think i think there is an element of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:19   choice in a you know I could I could put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:21   a few of these things on the back burner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:23   and play games or or watch more sport if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:27   I wanted to but I don't want to i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:30   to do the other things and more drawn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:33   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6333">TS</a>]

01:45:34   yeah i mean that's this is this goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:36   back to you know what I always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:38   about like human interest there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:39   explaining why people find things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:42   interesting or boring or when you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   across a bunch of different humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:45   things that one human find incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:47   interesting another human find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:48   incredibly boring and there's there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:50   way to explain that the video game thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53   the reason this topic caught my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:55   attention when you brought it up talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:57   about how you've lost interest in it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6357">TS</a>]

01:45:59   that i have observed phenomenon in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:03   myself many times i am playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05   that I find interesting which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   there's a certain kind of game that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:12   playing and for gamers it's usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:13   something like a dungeon crawler or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:15   kind of game with an RPG element to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:17   where I will have been playing a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:21   for maybe 10 hours and intensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24   intensely interested in continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   onward with the game and advancing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   character and collecting more items in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   the game world and then suddenly and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:35   mean within the space of five seconds i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:38   go from I could not be more interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:41   in this game to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:42   pleat and total apathy in the game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:46   like a switch just flips in my brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   I know okay i'm done with this game i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   will never play this game ever again i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   have just one hundred percent totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54   lost interest in it and it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:56   you're finished a lot you know conquered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6416">TS</a>]

01:46:58   it's just something happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6418">TS</a>]

01:46:59   nope it's yeah i hope i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   accomplished nothing or finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:03   anything there's just some moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:05   it's like boom something in my brain has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:08   changed and I have no interest in it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:12   disinterest just nun and and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:15   this again is one of these things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:16   it ties into my whole notions of free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:18   will and things like this to give to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6438">TS</a>]

01:47:20   is one of these moments where it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6440">TS</a>]

01:47:21   so apparent like he will like haha of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:24   course I don't have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:25   what on earth can explain that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:27   space of seconds i go from finding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:29   thing incredibly interesting to find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:31   totally uninteresting i would love to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:34   able to be in an MRI machine when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:37   happens because it's so sudden and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:39   obvious I feel like there must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   something that people can see and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   not like oh I've grown tired of it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:45   the day it's just like no this game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:47   dead to me now i just have no interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:48   in playing it ever again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:50   have you seen the film is a closer it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53   got a clive owen jude law and natalie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   portman and julia roberts and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:57   about relationships and the natalie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6477">TS</a>]

01:47:59   portman character is like enough with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:01   this guy who like just does the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:03   thing by her all the time and she just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:05   she's just keeps going back to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:06   still loves him and then she's in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:09   two seconds one day she just clicks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:12   falls out of love with him like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:13   completely this it just all changes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6493">TS</a>]

01:48:16   at like a heartbeat very powerful saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:18   who in the film and that's what reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21   me of what you just said like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:22   completely like it's like something just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   something just tipped whether there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:26   like that you know was a tipping point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:27   of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:28   yeah I don't know what it is other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   to say there's obviously something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:32   physical that's happened in my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:34   something about the like the dopamine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:36   reward cycle for this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:37   activity is just broken just broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   immediately and directly like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:42   he's not coming back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:45   that to me why I like it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:47   the idea that you have lost interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:50   teams over time as you have got maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:52   that's what happened to make right maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6532">TS</a>]

01:48:53   that happened to me but on a on a macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:55   level rather than a micro-level yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57   well that that's what i'm wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:58   right has this same process occurred in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:01   you just over a longer period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:04   when i like that i like the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:06   something physical has broken like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:08   you're saying like some some reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   process or some chemical thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:11   used to get just stopped that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:14   really a powerful explanation quite like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:16   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17   yeah but I mean obviously that has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:18   that's the only explanation that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   can be that there's something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:21   in your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6561">TS</a>]

01:49:22   I mean what other explanation can there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:23   be four you not having interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:25   there yeah it's just like loving your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:28   wife Brady right it's hard because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:30   something physical in your brain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:31   can't be anything else would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:33   whatever that was an amazing explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6573">TS</a>]

01:49:36   the structure in my brain res is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:38   cause of my legs I can't believe I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:41   come on baby it's not yet but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:43   making it sound like you know one convey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:45   about suddenly breaks and you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:46   interesting games i'm sure i'm sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48   thing that makes one lakh games or love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:49   a person is an incredibly complex web of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:53   many many things and you couldn't put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:55   down to this one thing breaking or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:57   changing so when I say one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   breaking I don't I don't mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   there's a single neuron that just broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:02   whether there's some system in the brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:04   which is changed and and again just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:08   with the games like that is to me is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6608">TS</a>]

01:50:09   most transparent thing ever i think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:11   cannot believe how my subjective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:14   experience of the thing can be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:17   radically altered with nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:19   apparently being different the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:21   hasn't changed i haven't changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   I'm just sitting here doing the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   that ever doing for the last two hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:26   but the thing about the thing that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6626">TS</a>]

01:50:29   yours you're falling out of love with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31   the game in like five seconds so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:33   compelling and harder to understand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:36   that I imagine what you get from games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:39   or sport or whatever you're into is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:41   really really complicated but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6641">TS</a>]

01:50:43   lots of this like is that what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6643">TS</a>]

01:50:46   saying is there one thing that can break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:48   that would make you stop liking games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:50   immediately or do lots of things have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:52   break like like a plane can keep flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6652">TS</a>]

01:50:55   if componente breaks or component B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6655">TS</a>]

01:50:58   breaks or the left engine goes out or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6658">TS</a>]

01:51:00   something but as if a certain number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6660">TS</a>]

01:51:03   things break the plane will fall out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:04   the sky but there are also a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:06   deal-breakers like if the wings fell off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6666">TS</a>]

01:51:09   the planes gonna crash no matter what so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:11   do you fall out of love with the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6671">TS</a>]

01:51:14   because the wings fell off like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:17   important thing you were getting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6677">TS</a>]

01:51:18   that game broke or did a few things or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:21   break at once like when you no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6681">TS</a>]

01:51:22   interested by the storyline where you no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:25   longer getting a dopamine where you no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:27   longer you know I guess that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:29   getting it because I feel like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6689">TS</a>]

01:51:30   falling out of love with games is more a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:33   widespread fairly and lots of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   failed whereas you can't just enjoy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:38   game and not like a game two seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6698">TS</a>]

01:51:40   later because a whole bunch of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:41   changed at once that would be too big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6701">TS</a>]

01:51:43   coincidence i will again I you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6703">TS</a>]

01:51:46   analogy is can terribly confusing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:48   but I just I just know that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6708">TS</a>]

01:51:51   thing that happens all the time to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6711">TS</a>]

01:51:53   when playing games against it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6713">TS</a>]

01:51:55   recurrent and frequent and that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:58   observing it is always interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6718">TS</a>]

01:52:01   sometimes I try to catch myself like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:02   what has happened and the answer is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:04   have no idea that says to me you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:06   getting one simple thing from gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:09   that like often in your enjoyment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6729">TS</a>]

01:52:11   those games there was just one very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:13   simple thing you're getting you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6733">TS</a>]

01:52:15   that they let the biscuit for the dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6735">TS</a>]

01:52:17   and suddenly the biscuits run out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:20   wasn't like there was like all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6740">TS</a>]

01:52:21   things going on that we're making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:23   love the game but you weren't enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:25   on numerous levels because i can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:27   imagine all those levels of file at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6747">TS</a>]

01:52:29   that's why i think that the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:31   games that this happens to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6751">TS</a>]

01:52:34   usually have mechanics that relate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:37   around exploring and collecting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:40   crafting items they are almost always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:42   games where you don't get better at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:46   game the character in the game improves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:49   and can do things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:51   right so I know you're fighting monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:53   you can fight monsters better because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:55   you have better swords not because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:57   have learned a skill like that is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6777">TS</a>]

01:52:59   a common factor in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:01   and and the closest I have come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6781">TS</a>]

01:53:03   figuring this out as i get some point my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:05   brain just kind of sees through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:07   mechanics a little bit too far into what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:09   the game is doing and then just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6789">TS</a>]

01:53:11   loses interest that that's my that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:14   basic gas but you know when you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6794">TS</a>]

01:53:17   about losing interest in Games one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:19   the things that's interesting to me is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:21   am always just impressed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:22   incredible wide variety of what games in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:27   compass in the modern world it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6807">TS</a>]

01:53:30   easy to think of games as just a narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6810">TS</a>]

01:53:33   subject subset of genres like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:36   a lot of people when they think of video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:37   games they think like oh the triple-a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6817">TS</a>]

01:53:39   kind of games right if you know big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:41   shoot him up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:42   central character focused kind of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6822">TS</a>]

01:53:44   but like that the universe of games is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:46   just so enormous that they are this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6826">TS</a>]

01:53:49   expanse of various forms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6829">TS</a>]

01:53:53   entertainment some of which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6833">TS</a>]

01:53:55   remarkably one game like and I put truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6835">TS</a>]

01:53:58   simulator in there as a thing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6838">TS</a>]

01:54:01   like is this a game I don't think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:03   is even a game at all like this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:06   is driving a truck across a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:09   horizon like this to me feel fulfills a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:13   totally different need and form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:15   entertainment than anything remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:17   game like would be and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:20   one of the very interesting things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:21   modern games and so I wonder about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6861">TS</a>]

01:54:25   getting back into games like are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6865">TS</a>]

01:54:27   other kinds of entertainment that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6867">TS</a>]

01:54:33   would enjoy that happened that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:35   happen to be experienced in video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6875">TS</a>]

01:54:37   but is not necessarily like the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:40   that you may have played when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:42   younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6882">TS</a>]

01:54:43   like I think of a game i really enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:44   a few years ago called year one which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:48   also a thing that I would classify as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:51   barely a game it is it is much more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6891">TS</a>]

01:54:55   an interactive story and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:58   time games that market themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6898">TS</a>]

01:55:00   interactive stories are just disasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:02   they're just terribly boring but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:05   was one that I spent quite an enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6905">TS</a>]

01:55:09   maybe hour-and-a-half like it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6909">TS</a>]

01:55:11   short time working through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:14   this little interactive story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:16   exploring this world and it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6916">TS</a>]

01:55:18   much more like a movie like experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:20   and maybe broadly in the genre of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6920">TS</a>]

01:55:23   horror but i really like that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:25   though i'd be very hard-pressed to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:27   like was this a game I like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:29   think it was even though it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:31   marketed as a game so I maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:34   there's stuff along the edges that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6934">TS</a>]

01:55:36   might you might like to play that's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6936">TS</a>]

01:55:39   game like than traditional games still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6939">TS</a>]

01:55:42   at the end of the day how many I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6942">TS</a>]

01:55:44   was a short one but still at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:45   the dive that probably the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:47   problem is time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:48   mm which makes me wonder too does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6948">TS</a>]

01:55:51   wife play games or do you play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6951">TS</a>]

01:55:53   with her was just completely set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:55   protective at APA from you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6955">TS</a>]

01:55:58   time with her that there's two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6958">TS</a>]

01:55:59   things that I'm doing here writes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:01   I'm generally unproductive in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:03   afternoon so if if I am NOT editing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:06   podcast or animating in the afternoons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6966">TS</a>]

01:56:10   that's one of the times when I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6970">TS</a>]

01:56:11   sometimes play games sometimes i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:13   read in the afternoons but sometimes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:15   all play games and then my wife isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:16   around anyway so it's like okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6976">TS</a>]

01:56:18   whatever yes on my own here and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:20   usually when I'm playing more along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6980">TS</a>]

01:56:23   lines of what are like hardcore games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6983">TS</a>]

01:56:25   like pc games that require my actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:27   main computer to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6987">TS</a>]

01:56:28   yeah but the other time that i play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6988">TS</a>]

01:56:30   games which is sort of more social is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:34   the evenings if my wife is watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6994">TS</a>]

01:56:36   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6996">TS</a>]

01:56:37   let's just say she will sometimes select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:39   things that I would not want to give my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:41   full attention to if I was if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:44   forced to watch with one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:45   of my attention i might think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7005">TS</a>]

01:56:47   quite torturous to watch but if I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7007">TS</a>]

01:56:49   dial it down to like thirty three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7009">TS</a>]

01:56:51   percent of my attention then suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7011">TS</a>]

01:56:53   it's an entertaining experience for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7013">TS</a>]

01:56:55   both of us run so I like to do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7015">TS</a>]

01:56:58   more casual gaming like on the couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7018">TS</a>]

01:57:01   when I'm watching TV with my wife and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7021">TS</a>]

01:57:05   that's a much more enjoyable experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:07   because I can make snarky comments about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7027">TS</a>]

01:57:09   whatever is on TV and make her laugh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7029">TS</a>]

01:57:11   like where where they're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7031">TS</a>]

01:57:14   spending time together even though i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7034">TS</a>]

01:57:16   partly engaged in another activity but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7036">TS</a>]

01:57:19   would find it just intolerable to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7039">TS</a>]

01:57:22   sit there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7042">TS</a>]

01:57:23   and devote one hundred percent of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7043">TS</a>]

01:57:25   attention to the TV like that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7045">TS</a>]

01:57:26   never want to do that so it's like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7046">TS</a>]

01:57:29   think that works well for both of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7049">TS</a>]

01:57:31   yeah i mean it sounds like you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7051">TS</a>]

01:57:32   good a good compromise there and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:34   maybe that's another big factor for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7054">TS</a>]

01:57:36   is now that I'm married I'm working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7056">TS</a>]

01:57:40   then I'm not working I want us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7060">TS</a>]

01:57:42   I I want to spend time with my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:43   which had which I didn't have when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7063">TS</a>]

01:57:45   in my twenties and right of course yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7065">TS</a>]

01:57:47   that's the other big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:48   yeah so enlarge your penis yeah and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7068">TS</a>]

01:57:51   wife's not into games and we do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7071">TS</a>]

01:57:54   watching the exact same things on so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7074">TS</a>]

01:57:56   think i think when i can the evening or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7076">TS</a>]

01:57:59   when we're together I kind of think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:01   should do things together and we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:02   do the same thing and be engaged in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7082">TS</a>]

01:58:04   same thing and if I was sitting on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7084">TS</a>]

01:58:05   game while she was watching another show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:07   that would be that wouldn't go down well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7087">TS</a>]

01:58:09   then in the Heron household but not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7089">TS</a>]

01:58:11   that I think yeah I think I think saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7091">TS</a>]

01:58:13   you've got thirty-three percent of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7093">TS</a>]

01:58:15   attention might not go down well but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7095">TS</a>]

01:58:18   but it's but it's more a case of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7098">TS</a>]

01:58:20   know we do watch the exact same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7100">TS</a>]

01:58:21   and we wanted and we want to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7101">TS</a>]

01:58:22   together so that little window where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7102">TS</a>]

01:58:24   could have game time and when i did have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7104">TS</a>]

01:58:27   game time as a as a guy in my twenties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:29   it's not there anymore as well so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7109">TS</a>]

01:58:32   probably that's probably another big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7112">TS</a>]

01:58:33   factor which begs exactly ties into time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7113">TS</a>]

01:58:35   again as well but there's another reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7115">TS</a>]

01:58:37   that I have this time so when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7117">TS</a>]

01:58:39   going through the photos to remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7119">TS</a>]

01:58:41   myself of the games we used to play when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7121">TS</a>]

01:58:42   I was a kid all I could think it was man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7122">TS</a>]

01:58:44   i sank hundreds and hundreds of hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7124">TS</a>]

01:58:47   into some of these games i was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:49   at on on on photos like you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7129">TS</a>]

01:58:53   would come up and it would like man look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7133">TS</a>]

01:58:55   at that first warcraft that you got kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7135">TS</a>]

01:58:57   like you don't know but you can spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7137">TS</a>]

01:58:59   500 hours on that like just playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7139">TS</a>]

01:59:02   over and over again like oh look there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7142">TS</a>]

01:59:04   total annihilation yep like there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7144">TS</a>]

01:59:07   your entire sophomore year of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7147">TS</a>]

01:59:09   school right like every free our you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:12   like you played that game and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7152">TS</a>]

01:59:15   of course because like yes as a as a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7155">TS</a>]

01:59:18   what did I have to do as we discussed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7158">TS</a>]

01:59:20   earlier podcast i blew off all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7160">TS</a>]

01:59:22   homework as much as I possibly could and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7162">TS</a>]

01:59:24   so I spent all of my free time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7164">TS</a>]

01:59:26   messing around on the computer reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:29   book or playing a game the and like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7169">TS</a>]

01:59:32   I didn't have any other responsibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7172">TS</a>]

01:59:34   in the world right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7174">TS</a>]

01:59:35   so you could definitely spend so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7175">TS</a>]

01:59:39   time in it whereas now i use it i use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:42   program called steam on my mac to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:46   all of my games and they do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7186">TS</a>]

01:59:47   feature where they'll still tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7187">TS</a>]

01:59:50   like oh how much how much you played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7190">TS</a>]

01:59:52   various games like they let you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7192">TS</a>]

01:59:53   many hours you put into a thing and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:55   I look at them sometimes like all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7195">TS</a>]

01:59:56   are sad number and it's like how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7196">TS</a>]

01:59:59   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7199">TS</a>]

01:59:59   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7199">TS</a>]

02:00:00   do you game how much time do you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:01   gaming a weekend out changes because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7201">TS</a>]

02:00:03   you production cycle but would you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:06   to put a number on it whatever talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7206">TS</a>]

02:00:10   about something like a thing that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7210">TS</a>]

02:00:12   actually focused on to like afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7212">TS</a>]

02:00:15   gaming it's probably not more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7215">TS</a>]

02:00:18   couple of hours a week at most and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7218">TS</a>]

02:00:22   the evening gaming is very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7222">TS</a>]

02:00:24   the casual gaming maybe like four hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7224">TS</a>]

02:00:28   a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7228">TS</a>]

02:00:29   I'm just trying to ball park it here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7229">TS</a>]

02:00:30   so i'm going to say maybe something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7230">TS</a>]

02:00:32   six hours a week on average are those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:37   evening games the same games he played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   in the afternoon with other different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:40   games the different games are they left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7240">TS</a>]

02:00:42   phone games one of the games you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7242">TS</a>]

02:00:44   in the evening while you're watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7244">TS</a>]

02:00:45   show with your wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7245">TS</a>]

02:00:46   yeah the their stuff on my iPad and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7246">TS</a>]

02:00:48   they they need to have a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7248">TS</a>]

02:00:50   requirements one of which is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7250">TS</a>]

02:00:51   game can't take all of my attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7251">TS</a>]

02:00:53   because i need to save thirty-three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7253">TS</a>]

02:00:54   percent of it right for the for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7254">TS</a>]

02:00:56   of the home environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:57   yeah and they also have to be possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7257">TS</a>]

02:00:59   straight away like I can't have a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7259">TS</a>]

02:01:01   that I can't immediately just put down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7261">TS</a>]

02:01:03   and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7263">TS</a>]

02:01:04   yeah and so in some ways i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7264">TS</a>]

02:01:06   intentionally pic games that are much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7266">TS</a>]

02:01:08   less engaging than games i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7268">TS</a>]

02:01:09   otherwise play but it's like it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7269">TS</a>]

02:01:12   compromise so what's an example because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:13   people are probably going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7273">TS</a>]

02:01:14   wondering what's he talking about what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7274">TS</a>]

02:01:16   what's one of your evening games at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7276">TS</a>]

02:01:17   moment I have been playing for a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7277">TS</a>]

02:01:20   called crash lands at the moment which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7280">TS</a>]

02:01:23   can kind of recommend although that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7283">TS</a>]

02:01:25   definitely one of those RPG style games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7285">TS</a>]

02:01:27   where I I know like clock's ticking on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7287">TS</a>]

02:01:29   that 1 i'm going to be playing it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7289">TS</a>]

02:01:31   know in the middle of watching devil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:32   wears prada or something and just going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7292">TS</a>]

02:01:35   to at some point immediately just put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7295">TS</a>]

02:01:37   down and be like oh I'm done with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7297">TS</a>]

02:01:38   game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:39   I'm just done I play a lot of what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7299">TS</a>]

02:01:40   called tower defense games so something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7300">TS</a>]

02:01:43   like kingdom rush where you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7303">TS</a>]

02:01:44   placing placing down little towers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7304">TS</a>]

02:01:46   defend yourself from invaders that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7306">TS</a>]

02:01:48   coming in these are casual ish games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7308">TS</a>]

02:01:53   they're they're not anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7313">TS</a>]

02:01:54   requires a huge amount of focus if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7314">TS</a>]

02:01:57   thought there was a game at the moment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7317">TS</a>]

02:01:58   had a hope of getting me back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7318">TS</a>]

02:02:00   gaming what would pay if you like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7320">TS</a>]

02:02:03   had to if you had one governor and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7323">TS</a>]

02:02:05   really cared about me getting back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:06   it which i like it don't you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7326">TS</a>]

02:02:08   care less but yeah it was your mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7328">TS</a>]

02:02:10   what would think what would you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7330">TS</a>]

02:02:12   that's impossible you're setting for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7332">TS</a>]

02:02:14   just an absolute impossible task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7334">TS</a>]

02:02:16   you know what you know what this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7336">TS</a>]

02:02:17   it's almost like you're coming to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7337">TS</a>]

02:02:19   saying I fallen out of love with movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7339">TS</a>]

02:02:22   I haven't watched movies in 10 years if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7342">TS</a>]

02:02:24   there was one movie you were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7344">TS</a>]

02:02:25   give to me to sell me on movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7345">TS</a>]

02:02:28   what would you sell me on that's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7348">TS</a>]

02:02:30   great question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7350">TS</a>]

02:02:31   yeah but then I also i just don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7351">TS</a>]

02:02:33   really good sense of what kind of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7353">TS</a>]

02:02:36   you like even just know you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7356">TS</a>]

02:02:39   through your history and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7359">TS</a>]

02:02:40   somebody about some atari games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7360">TS</a>]

02:02:42   things like I don't know man like its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7362">TS</a>]

02:02:45   would be impossible to pick something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7365">TS</a>]

02:02:47   try to get you sold on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7367">TS</a>]

02:02:50   Justin again just because like i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7370">TS</a>]

02:02:52   saying before there's just so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:53   different genres like there are games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7373">TS</a>]

02:02:55   am convinced that our games for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7375">TS</a>]

02:02:57   out there are even people who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7377">TS</a>]

02:02:59   think they like games there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7379">TS</a>]

02:03:01   for you you just don't know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7381">TS</a>]

02:03:04   king said to me seemed horrific Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7384">TS</a>]

02:03:07   boring my favorite example of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7387">TS</a>]

02:03:08   that there are games where the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7388">TS</a>]

02:03:11   game is someone someone shows you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7391">TS</a>]

02:03:14   picture of a messy room and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7394">TS</a>]

02:03:15   find an object in that room and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7395">TS</a>]

02:03:18   all the game is just like here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7398">TS</a>]

02:03:19   picture of a room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7399">TS</a>]

02:03:21   click on the object in the room I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7401">TS</a>]

02:03:22   imagine anything that is more repulsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7402">TS</a>]

02:03:24   but like people love those games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7404">TS</a>]

02:03:26   forget what they look like object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7406">TS</a>]

02:03:27   finding games or something like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7407">TS</a>]

02:03:30   couldn't pay me to play that but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7410">TS</a>]

02:03:31   love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7411">TS</a>]

02:03:32   I'll tell you what kind of game that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7412">TS</a>]

02:03:34   think a lot of time into which I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7414">TS</a>]

02:03:36   think you wouldn't like but you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7416">TS</a>]

02:03:38   appreciate and that is football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7418">TS</a>]

02:03:41   management games or soccer many games to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7421">TS</a>]

02:03:43   an American yeah I quite like those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7423">TS</a>]

02:03:46   thought you'd like them because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7426">TS</a>]

02:03:47   don't actually play the game you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7427">TS</a>]

02:03:48   play this off then you manage the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7428">TS</a>]

02:03:50   yard like I thought you liked not cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7430">TS</a>]

02:03:53   stand those no those are I thought you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7433">TS</a>]

02:03:57   like it cause it's like working you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7437">TS</a>]

02:03:58   work oriented games you see this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7438">TS</a>]

02:04:00   hockey okay here we just so far apart on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7440">TS</a>]

02:04:03   so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7443">TS</a>]

02:04:04   this is different to a sports video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7444">TS</a>]

02:04:06   did hear me you were listening to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7446">TS</a>]

02:04:07   that way you don't play the sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7447">TS</a>]

02:04:09   yeah I know what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7449">TS</a>]

02:04:10   and I can't go out there like the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7450">TS</a>]

02:04:12   of things now they're just the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7452">TS</a>]

02:04:13   just the worst the morning their book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7453">TS</a>]

02:04:15   they're absolutely pouring i do have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:17   idea to say that like as a slight is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7457">TS</a>]

02:04:18   like tangent here even though i give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:20   a hard time about your darts you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7460">TS</a>]

02:04:22   you're dumb sports that you like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7462">TS</a>]

02:04:24   watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7464">TS</a>]

02:04:25   video games have totally given me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7465">TS</a>]

02:04:26   appreciation for my people like sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7466">TS</a>]

02:04:29   on an intrinsic level like i can i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7469">TS</a>]

02:04:32   understand it so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7472">TS</a>]

02:04:35   years later now when I when I am not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7475">TS</a>]

02:04:38   school anymore like forces me to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7478">TS</a>]

02:04:39   sports so I feel this intense resentment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:41   toward it like now as an adult just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:43   playing video games like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:44   completely understand the whole sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7484">TS</a>]

02:04:46   thing both because you know with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:50   certain kinds of video games pulling off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7490">TS</a>]

02:04:54   maneuvers isn't is incredibly satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:57   when you have a game that you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7497">TS</a>]

02:04:58   better and you become more skilled at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7498">TS</a>]

02:05:01   like oh ok this is similar to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7501">TS</a>]

02:05:03   people are learning to play sports like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:05   it is satisfying to be able to pull off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:08   of maneuver well in a sport and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7508">TS</a>]

02:05:11   other thing which is you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7511">TS</a>]

02:05:13   mentioned at the beginning that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7513">TS</a>]

02:05:14   doing this this twitch livestream I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7514">TS</a>]

02:05:17   couple days ago like just for fun and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7517">TS</a>]

02:05:21   while i was on twitch I got sucked into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7521">TS</a>]

02:05:24   watching this thing that I always think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:25   it's just so funny but like eSports and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7525">TS</a>]

02:05:28   when people are are commenting on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:30   people playing video games but like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7530">TS</a>]

02:05:32   real sports announcer voices and how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7532">TS</a>]

02:05:35   I was just on twitch and I had happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7535">TS</a>]

02:05:36   to call catch my eye but I i saw that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7536">TS</a>]

02:05:39   from there was someone commenting on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7539">TS</a>]

02:05:41   starcraft game like oh I used applied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7541">TS</a>]

02:05:43   spent thousands of hours on starcraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7543">TS</a>]

02:05:45   let me watch and i'm watching this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:48   that people are commenting on it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7548">TS</a>]

02:05:49   okay again I understand why people watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7549">TS</a>]

02:05:54   sports and why people will say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7554">TS</a>]

02:05:55   like if you ever played soccer you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:57   watching soccer so much better because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7557">TS</a>]

02:05:59   was watching these guys play starcraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7559">TS</a>]

02:06:01   was like yeah I got sucked into watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7561">TS</a>]

02:06:03   a starcraft game for 30 minutes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7563">TS</a>]

02:06:05   I could appreciate when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:08   pulling off hard moves or I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7568">TS</a>]

02:06:10   appreciate like what is going on even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7570">TS</a>]

02:06:13   those players were phenomenally much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7573">TS</a>]

02:06:16   more better at the game and I could ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7576">TS</a>]

02:06:17   be if I dedicated my whole life to it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:20   I I they do have so much more sympathy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7580">TS</a>]

02:06:23   for sports because of games without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7583">TS</a>]

02:06:27   down but I'm still gonna make fun of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7587">TS</a>]

02:06:28   for darts and never gonna let that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7588">TS</a>]

02:06:30   and i'm going to make fun of you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7590">TS</a>]

02:06:32   pretending to drive a vehicle on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7592">TS</a>]

02:06:34   road in the real world when you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:37   actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:38   just do it it's so satisfying now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7598">TS</a>]

02:06:40   so satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7600">TS</a>]

02:06:41   I could get into that one like I say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7601">TS</a>]

02:06:43   appeal at one but i want i'll talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:45   them at that game is in no small part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7605">TS</a>]

02:06:49   some some amount of self-medication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7609">TS</a>]

02:06:51   because i really want to be doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7611">TS</a>]

02:06:53   driving across America but that's again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7613">TS</a>]

02:06:56   like is is the responsibilities of adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7616">TS</a>]

02:06:59   life and adult time constraints I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7619">TS</a>]

02:07:02   actually just ditch my whole life and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7622">TS</a>]

02:07:04   drive across America for six weeks so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7624">TS</a>]

02:07:06   the best thing that I'm going to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7626">TS</a>]

02:07:08   to do is to do it virtually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BgMUq9nAo/7628">TS</a>]