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00:00:00 ◼   ► you have this thing listed under [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► follow-up I don't think it's follow-up [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► at all it's a new topic but you just [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► want to talk about it [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► this is how you steal the show all the [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► time you put everything you want to talk [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► about you listed as follow-up even if [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► it's not remotely follow [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► well yeah I know your trick I know what [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► you're up to it wasn't really a trick I [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► thought Carter was follow-up there's [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► nothing about it that follow-up the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► listeners will now this news will know [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► now this is my hairdresser story and the [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► reason I wanted to tell you was I [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► thought it had two components that would [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► appeal to you because if there if there [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► are two things that sort of have some [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► level of Appeal t1 is being horrified by [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► social situations [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► this is that appealing i don't think [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► that's the feeling I don't know that it [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► always gets a response from you at least [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► ya think I guess what these 10 ya hear [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► you because you are a natural [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► winder-upper here in your brain equate [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► getting a response from someone to [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► appealing to them that's that's just the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► way there but it's but it's just so hard [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► to get you to engage with my stories [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► unless it's something that you're really [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► into it is not true it's very hard to [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► get you to engage and I think this has [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► two things that engaging one is you are [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► engaged by horrifying social situations [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► and the other thing that engages you is [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► my ineptitude and this story has both of [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► them in space [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► I'm looking I'm looking forward to the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► story but I do just want to get it on [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► record that when we're doing the podcast [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► I know you don't believe me and I always [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► get it was kinda crazy sometimes yell at [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► me about how I don't I don't respond [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► fast enough to you the reason I find [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► these podcasts so draining to do is that [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► whenever you're talking i am spending [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► the whole time [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► consciously thinking about is there a [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► question that i can ask brady what can i [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► say pretty at the end of the story so [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► it's it's draining it's exhausting [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► because I'm i am spending one hundred [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► percent of my attention fixated on you [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► thinking about what to say and how to [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► how to engage with this conversation [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► that she just comes naturally [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► that should just be natural it should be [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► natural it should be natural if you're [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Brady but not if you were great [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► if your gray it's not natural is that's [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► why it's always so frustrating it's he's [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► so frustrating you criticize me for not [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► engaging your stories like man I am [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► never more focused on human [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► conversation than I am during the three [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► hours in which we record one of these [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► episodes you've got me at my peak social [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► this is the best i can do and I do it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► for you Brady don't focus too much [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► because it puts too much pressure on the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► story now it's like are like now I know [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► that you're sort of listening with this [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► double attention and thinking of [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► questions and suddenly there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► pressure on the story and the story is [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► not that good [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it's no different than any other time [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► that we ever record the podcast but so [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► now tell me there's amazing amazing [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► story i'm really looking forward to it [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► I drove down into the center of my town [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► because i wanted to get the car claimed [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► give it the big shebang [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► now I don't know whether I should call [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► that validating or valet because that [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► seems to be something that people it's a [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► valet so it's valuing their well that's [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► what I thought but more and more often [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► i'm hearing it called people calling [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► invalidate which i think is wrong [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► of course your horse is wrong isn't it a [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► French word they don't regard consonants [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► at the end of their words so I took the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► car down to this place where there are [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► these guys who wash up [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► I've got like this what you call and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► like 10th like a little marquee type [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► thing that people can drive in [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► underneath so the best shelter in case [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it rains and they'll sit there and i'll [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► spray your car and I'll open the doors [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► and I'll get inside and that cumin and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► polish everything and make our lovely I [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► take it they're reasonably often and [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► because i was going to go and get my [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► haircut and I had some errands to run [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► I leave it with them leave the cut the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► keys in the ignition and I say guys take [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► care for me so I've had to just outside [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► think that it like that it's zero it [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► sleep well just I like it was apparently [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► it was like you leaving of baby with the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► up guys i say with take care of its we [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► discuss we discuss which like which [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► option are one and i went for the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► 20-pound option okay yeah the way the [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► way you communicate to them how much [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► they should take care of it is with [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► money that's how you communicate this [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► yes so why would i want the 20-pound [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► option and i couldn't Park it right in [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► the little little zone because they were [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► doing another car so I parked behind [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► that car and I left went to the post [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► office went to the bank did my jobs and [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► then I went to the head [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► sir I picked a bad time schools were out [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and I picked the wrong time of day a [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► time that I don't normally like to go [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and the place was packed [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► I had to sit there and wait forever for [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► my turn and I could have said I'll come [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► back another day but I really need to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► get my haircut so i had to wait it out [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► and I must await an hour and a half and [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► then finally got my haircut and he was a [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► he was slow to he was slow and a half [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► Jesus and here comes the situation at [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► the end of the haircut I thought you did [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► a pretty good job [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► albeit slow at the end of the haircut he [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► says can I take a photo [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► what and I thought I thought you know [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► maybe he was a trainee or this was one [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► of the best haircut ever don't nobody [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► want to take photo / and I was kind of [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► mmm yeah like I guess and then he and [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► then i said what for and he said I want [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► to put it on Instagram [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah and I thought cannot be [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► greater if the hairdresser said can I [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► take a photo of your you put it on [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► Instagram [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► that's a really awkward situation ok [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► here's the question his question was he [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► was he using social dominance on you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► like we are you still sitting down or [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► you still build up i was i was sitting [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► down I was still had my big coat i was [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► very vulnerable [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► oh no how's that i was i was in a [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► position of weakness like an [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► interrogation room [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► yeah it was it was a really awkward [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► situation but i know this is becoming a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► big thing in the in the young people's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► hairdresser community because it really [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► my nephew was showing me the Instagram [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► of his hairdresser and everyone who gets [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► the hague cut by him has an Instagram [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► down and they do these special poses and [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► things like that so it's becoming a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► really big thing in the in the trendy [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► cool hairdresser community in this [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► hairdresser I go to his choir quite a [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► trendy cool place for young people they [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► really big on instagramming other [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► haircuts afterwards [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► oh no no that's that's a guy i gave it a [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► no I did I i found the strength and ice [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► I gave him and I gave him thanks but no [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► thanks [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► how is it received [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► quiet and awkwardly I did I didn't think [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I my goodness great would have hated [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that are you ever gonna go back to this [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► person [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► yeah i'll get back now you can go when [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it comes to hairdressers i'm such a [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► creature of habit that's why i SAT there [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► for an hour and a half and sort of going [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► to one of the four or five other ones on [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► the straight because this is where I get [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► my haircut 45 other ones you mean that [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► tiny town where you live [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► there's no there's not 45 hairdressers [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► on the stairs that happened to it [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► they're totally is is that you have like [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► three shops on the street there's an [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► italian store because the pair's a [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► corner store there's a corner store a [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► carwash 3 charity shops and 19 hair [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► dresses with his dreams local economy at [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► anyway I got out of there awkward [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► situation over go go to the carwash [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► ready to be apologetic from having left [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► my car there for two two-and-a-half [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► hours i get there [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► mm my car hasn't moved what's going on I [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► walk up to the guy saying what's going [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► on and they look at the gang are there [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► you are there you are [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► turns out out of just habit and reflex I [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► didn't leave my keys in the ignition and [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► I took them with me and my carried [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► sitting there blocking the entrance to [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► their car wash my camping for the last [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► two and a half hours [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► yeah what an effective afternoon of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► errands you had it was never our I felt [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► so bad I felt so bad about it that [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► Instagram thing now man that's [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► horrifying [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► this is the grandma doesn't sound like [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► anything good is coming up as far as i [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► can tell it's a real big thing in the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► hairdressing community at least in the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► West of England no no nope nope nope not [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► having that happen i know that's not [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► gonna happen that can happen not ever [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► not ever [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm i made some I made some reference to [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► sort of like with my job I'd rather not [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► have that hairdresser pictures posted of [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► me and then he thought I was some kind [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► of spy or did something like the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► security and I stand corrected [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► it's the because he started to figure [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you start to make up a story to justify [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► why [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► yeah I did I made some I made some ice [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► or said something the car with my work [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► it's like it's not something i'd rather [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► not be doing [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► it's very hard not to do but i find the [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► trick in those situations if you're [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► going to have to say now is don't [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► justify right you just say no and then [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► there's going to be an awkward silence [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► but the first person to break the [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► awkward silence losses and so you don't [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► want to be the loser [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► no I still got my way but I mean I know [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► is I didn't think you would find out how [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► your double hard when it comes to that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► stuff but yeah but if the other person [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► plays the it sounds like this guy he was [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► trying to manipulate you again you're in [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► a vulnerable position that's when he [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► decides to ask [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► he probably knows the tricks he you know [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► i'm just imagining in this situation [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that he would have also tried to beat [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► the awkward silence and sometimes that [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► can go on for a while you know it's like [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► a staring contest between gorillas I [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► don't think either i looked that good or [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► the haircut was that good that he was [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► gonna really lobby for football but [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► maybe maybe it maybe it was a [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► once-in-a-generation haircut and I don't [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► even realize it and I just look amazing [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► right now I didn't notice on the video [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► chat before we started i'm sorry I [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► really am finding myself wishing that [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► the story had gone the other way [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► mainly because I would enjoy nothing [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► more than putting a link to your [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► photograph on Instagram of your haircut [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► in the show notes are really quite [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► enjoyed this will be fun forever at this [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► little picture here now having to miss [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► out on it didn't happen if you wanna [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► give us a selfie with the show notes the [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► reason I really needed to get a cat was [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► because i was doing some objectivity [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► videos the next day so you could you can [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► do me a big favor and just post one of [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► those it's way less funny if I'm just [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► pimping objectivity [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► I mean I guess I'll do it yeah look out [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► links objectivity in the show notes [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► people it's not nearly as funny it like [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► it's not really what I want from you [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you're not giving me what I want charlie [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► brooker who i think you and i both [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► advanced off we quite like some of the [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► things he does [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► hey he was just having a bit of a great [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► because some recent stuff that came up [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► in the parliament or recap up in the [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► parliament and that is the fact that I [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► think this is crazy that satirical [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► television shows in and not allowed to [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► use footage from inside the UK [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► Parliament [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and this has been hamstringing Charlie [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► broker who makes satirical TV shows for [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► quite some time because when he wants to [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► poke fun at the politicians they have [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► banned old TV shows like him from using [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► the footage of proceedings in Parliament [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► can be used on the news it can be used [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► in various other shows but if you're [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► poking fun at them band [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► I don't understand how such a law could [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► get passed by the people of the polymer [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► yeah I i find that just astounding that [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► the people in Parliament would pass such [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► a narrowly self-serving law it's it's [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► confusing to me i don't i don't get it i [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► think it's all my so self-serving that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► i'm surprised i had had the audacity to [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► have the balls that do it [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► yeah for comparison for Americans you [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► know like this this stuff charlie [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► brooker does it's a bit like if congress [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► passed a law saying that the daily show [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► was not allowed to use footage from [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► inside of of Congress like c-span [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► footage is available to everybody [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► unless you're making fun of c-span [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► footage when the daily show itself pokes [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► fun at the UK and uses footage from the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► UK Parliament those episodes are banned [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► from being broadcast in the UK copyright [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► and intellectual property it comes up on [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► this show so much and it's a thing that [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► i've been following for years because it [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► really does have this bizarre impact on [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► and everything like the way that we [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► decide intellectual property works has [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► huge unexpected ramifications in all [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► kinds of areas like this is just another [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► example like really really united [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► kingdom you are going to banned the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► import of satirical shows from overseas [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► because they include footage from [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► Parliament it's so weird and it's it [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► also feels a little bit like you guys [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► know that like this stuff exists on the [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► internet right like people can still [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► skills to view the programs i don't know [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► you don't know what you're trying to do [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► here except just preventing local [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► producers for being able to make stuff [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► like you just I mean I mean I restrict [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► their making it harder to say because it [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► is hard to find that stuff [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the thing that I have some sympathy for [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► example with [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► Britain being a bit more draconian than [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► other countries like the US with are [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► televising proceedings in courtrooms and [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► things like that [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► I have some sympathy with not televising [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► everything and broadcasting everything [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► or protecting people from being [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► humiliated when they're doing normal [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► things but not the but not the mp's not [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the part not the people in the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► parliament that they're the they're the [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► one group that we should be allowed to [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► market satirize and yeah I completely [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► agree with you there as well I like I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► think I think as we discussed on are [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► making a murderer episode the u.s. goes [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► crazy far and what it allows to be [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► broadcast like I don't think that there [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► should be broadcast inside of courtrooms [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► like that seems antithetical to justice [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► but yeah I completely agree like 0 [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► public servants engaged in public debate [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► like you can't use this footage to make [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► fun of people like that that's bizarre [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and what I really want to know right [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► like so we have just seen these these [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► tweets from from charlie brooker what I [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► want to know is is how does this affect [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► a youtube channel like I always forget [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► his name is a mixtape boy is that is [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► that the one our cassette boy is set boy [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► thank you i can see the little pirate [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► bay kind of logo there but cassette boy [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► is this guy who does these amazing [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► mashups of political footage and that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► just I cannot imagine how many hours of [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► work he goes through to do you like [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► recut politicians speeches so that [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► they're saying completely opposite [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► things like I trust me people have seen [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► this stuff done before the the cassette [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► boy does it amazingly amazingly well [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► what's it like this is to this ban on [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► programs that are poking fun at [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► Parliament does it include internet [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► producers within the UK because that boy [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► is located within the UK is this to me [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► seems like it's the kind of thing that [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► might just blow up into a bit of a [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► strong as an effect problem if you're [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► also going to try to ban on the internet [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► it's yeah this copyright stuff is just [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► is just ridiculous [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► I have to rewatch it a cassette boy [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► stuff button in my head most of the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► stuff he uses is from like press [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► conferences and outside the parliament [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► so I wonder if he does use parliamentary [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► for each other [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► I can't remember now yeah i agree with [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► most of the most of different things [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► outside of it but it's still the idea [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that like could he use something from [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► within Parliament i don't know i'm not [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► sure they can be ashamed i'm i'm reading [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► this this article about it and it points [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► out that after one of Jon Stewart Daily [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► Show's was censored to so could be shown [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► on channel 4 here in the UK but they [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► actually had to sense the scenes of the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► Prime Minister talking at the dispatch [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► books Stewart then did another episode [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like asking about it apparently his [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► quote was why why the people's [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Parliament the most basic expression of [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► British democracy is too fragile to [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► withstand a gentle parody a good-natured [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► kick to the cluttered creams but you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► know if people that Jon Stewart putting [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► them under the spotlight and they're [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► still not budging then they probably not [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► going to budge it does just for you feel [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► like you're part of it our feelings are [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► so sensitive you can't make fun of them [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► at all despite the fact that we are [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► public service right it's like it's just [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► it's intrinsically it's intrinsically [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► laughable [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► maybe we need a new video from the from [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the new repo and flame-throwing cgpgrey [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► don't drag me into this [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► don't drag me into this after you finish [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► torching the fine brothers maybe it's [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► time to turn that laser focus to the [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► British Parliament see if you can shame [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► them into a go back there i'll see if i [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► get divinely-inspired for that voice [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► again this episode of Hello internet is [TS]

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00:18:08 ◼   ► show so gray is it time is a finely time [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► as I guess we'll do it you know what I [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► feel like okay people after he's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► bringing up Guns Germs and Steel right [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► that's why that's why Brady's poking at [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► me here i have this feeling like I'm in [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► school again and there's some assignment [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that I'm supposed to do and it's really [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► late [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► keep going while handed in next week [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► ahead next week but then at the same [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► time when you don't hand it in every [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► week there's some expectation that it's [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► going to be something really good that [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► you're handing in but now if you're like [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► okay fine fine I'm just gonna hand in [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► this homework assignment and it's just [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► gonna be over and we're just gonna do [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► this so we're going to talk about guns [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► germs and steel but it's is not without [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► its not going to be long people it's not [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► going to be long [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► we're just going to go over a few things [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► and then it's going to be done and it's [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► going to be over [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► alright so by way of background if you [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► are new to the podcast we did an episode [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► recently where we reviewed the book [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► guns guns germs and still grey has made [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► two widely viewed videos which is [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► loosely based on some of the things in [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► the book we talked in the podcast about [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► some views and opinions about things in [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► the book and graded worn at the time [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that this was a book full of ideas that [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► divided opinion and that turned out to [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► be true and looking at the subreddit [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► dedicated to our discussion it it [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► certainly attracted many opinions many [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► long long detailed comments arguing for [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► and against various various positions i [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► have to say because I hadn't finished [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► the book and don't feel particularly [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► passionate about her i could have dodged [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► this bullet [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► yeah and hannah has mainly been grazed [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► opinions have been coming in for [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► scrutiny and so we've been saying up so [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► we've been thinking do we address some [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► of these days great answer back to some [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► of them and now's your chance grave all [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► of the million things that was said are [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► there any that you wish to address or [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► speak back to ok so this to me is again [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► it just like the first conversation it's [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► a little bit hard to know even where to [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► start because there's just so many [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► particular things that people want to [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► argue over and I always find the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► particulars just exhausting and again up [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► with some links in the show notes later [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but again you will see in some of the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► conversations that i have had i am often [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► saying how i agree with these [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► constraints and it brings me back to [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► this thing that I said at the very [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► beginning which is that I find the the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► the conversation around Guns Germs and [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► Steel the reason that it creates a big [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► argument almost much more interesting [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► than the particulars of the argument [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► itself it's like a horse's this division [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► and i have just been increasingly [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► interested in the way conversations on [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► the internet unfold and I think this is [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► just to me a perfect example of a thing [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► that I have seen many times where people [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► are talking past each other and it's [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► very hard to get at the root of what is [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the fundamental disagreement and [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► so-and-so like with the last video that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► i just put up which was the America box [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► part 2 [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► and some some people want to argue about [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► like were these animals really easier to [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► domesticate them these animals like how [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► do we know we can't know unless we go [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► back in time like you want to get into [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the specifics of it and I'm always [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► interested in a much more higher level [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► argument like I don't really care if I [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► Jared Diamond got some detail about [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► ancient llamas and their breeding [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► seasons correct like it just it doesn't [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► interest me i am interested in the [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► bigger picture of where they're easier [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► animals to domesticate in some places [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► than others were they randomly [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► distributed across the earth if so [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► that's an interesting phenomenon like [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► I'm not okay just don't care about the [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► details of this exact animal and if [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► Jared Diamond got it right or not and [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that infuriates some people by always [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► just want to reiterate at this point [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► like don't forget this part internet i [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► am always willing to just grant the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► historians that they are correct and [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► that jared diamond is wrong on the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► particulars I just granted it doesn't [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► mean that I'm not like I don't care what [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► is right i'm just saying that I think [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► there is this bigger picture to draw [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► from the book that is separate from like [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► Jared Diamond and who he is and what [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► exactly he gets right and what exactly [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► he misses [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► I just think there's this this bigger [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► picture to be drawn from it [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► I been thinking a little bit about why [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► insights [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► well I haven't been thinking about I've [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► just been thinking about it while you've [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► been talking for the last minute that's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► fine so that counts that councils [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► thinking about it I've been trying to [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► think about why insights so much passion [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► and I mean the obvious thing to think is [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► that incites passion because people feel [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► there's something racial going on here [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► because of you know this book is about [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► why continent X you know dominated over [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► yeah constant Y and people could I can [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► see how people would associate that with [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► race but it doesn't really seem like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► racism much of an issue in the book and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► he'll always emphasizes that it's not i [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► think it must be more like nationalistic [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► people just feel like a bit of pride in [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► their country and don't like to hear [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► things about where they're from a little [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► and i can and i can give you a really [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► good example of that because this is [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► something i always feel when when we [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► talked about guns germs and steel and I [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► realize how ridiculous this is like it's [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► double ridiculous but I remember when [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► when reading about and when you talked [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► about why australia was a country that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► was never going to war or had very very [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► little chance of becoming the dominant [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► the source of dominance and I was never [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► going to be Australian who took over the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► world and I remember every time i heard [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that feeling like a little bit of [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► resentment and like patriotism you're [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► thinking that's not true Australia's [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► awesome and we experience can do [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► anything completely ignoring the fact i [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► am a white European whoo-hoo actually [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► might my team did with ya like you know [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► it was it was it was the way you're [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► going to came and took over strategy and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► steal when people when people talk down [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► about a straight-set hasn't got the [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► resources and it couldn't have taken [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► over i'm thinking here we could destroy [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► aliens are also liked her but who's the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► we had said exactly exactly and and that [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► that that that disconnect and that lack [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► of ability to look at the bigger picture [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► even in the back of my brain when I know [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► it's ridiculous i think that's what's [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► going on [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► I think people take things in the book [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► personally when really this is just [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► stuff that happened a long long time ago [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► had nothing to do with any of us really [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► and it's an interesting discussion and [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► how we ended up where we did but i don't [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► think a lot of is massively relevant [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► anymore maybe it maybe it isn't some [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► people think it is but but i think i [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► think that i think this is kind of it's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► an interesting it's an interesting [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► history to find out how we got him but [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► to me it's not that many steps removed [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► from how did the solar system formed [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► like I'd love to know you know how did [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► the universe that I'd love to know but [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► it doesn't make a difference to when I [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► gotta get my haircut tomorrow right and [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► i think i think the world has gotten to [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► a point now where how come some country [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► X dominated over country why continent x [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► dominated country why thousand years ago [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► ten thousand years ago however many [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► thousand years ago feels like it doesn't [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► matter much anymore [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► yeah this is this is part of the [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► conversation we didn't get to in our [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► first discussion of Guns Germs and Steel [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► but I completely agree that one of the [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► things about Guns Germs and Steel that I [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► find frustrating when people are arguing [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► against it is that they bring it into a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► modern context and I think that this is [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► a theory that applies up to the moment [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► that you have civilizations from [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► different continents meeting each other [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► but at that moment like Guns Germs and [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► Steel suddenly becomes very relevant [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► right it's just a question of what is [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► more likely to get you a civilization [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► that can cross oceans but once once you [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► have people crossing oceans and you have [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► transcontinental trade routes then the [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► geography of the people matters much [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► less like it'sit's a dial that gets [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► turned down over time but I think [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► geography matters much more in the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► beginning when every single advantage [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that you can possibly get really matters [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► because it's going to compound over time [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► but then once the whole world is [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► connected this doesn't this doesn't have [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► such an effect anymore so I i agree i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► don't think it's relevant at all to [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► modern times which is partly why i said [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► last time in the discussion like when [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you asked it does it does it matter if [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► this is right or wrong and and my answer [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► is like in a modern world no it doesn't [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► matter right because yeah if it's right [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► it doesn't have any predictive power for [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the next hundred years but i think [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► people still feel like you're dissing [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► their continent like I felt about [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► strategy even though it's not my content [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► even though I'm the european guy like [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► I'm the American here right like yeah [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► and I think that's what people think I [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► feel like you're dissing their animals [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► are you missing their continent and sign [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► of that continent wasn't good enough and [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► yeah you're marsupials ish man there's [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► yeah you can't even take a kangaroo [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► yeah even if you could tame a kangaroo [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► is going to pull the plow know because [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it's worthless worthless worthless [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► kangaroos and I'm like a star strategies [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► yeah well i'm not i'm not actually super [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► sure how how much it is that people get [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► defensive about their own content that [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that never occurred to me before because [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► i just i don't have that feeling at all [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► it never would have occurred to me to [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► feel defensive about North and South [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► America being terrible countenance [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► either but anyway a couple of the points [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that I do just want to touch on really [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► quickly is that i will put the links in [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► the show notes there is a long [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► conversation between me and another [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► reddit user Milosh is reddit name [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► I think this is probably a great example [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► for anybody who really wants to dig into [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the details of me having an argument [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► with someone else and this argument [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► follows a what I feel like is a very [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► well worn pattern for arguments that i [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► have had about this book with many [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► people from many different backgrounds [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► there is some back-and-forth here but [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► what I think is the interesting thing is [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► that i'm trying to get at what i think [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► is this fundamental difference [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► do people think that there is any [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► predict ability in history pre [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► transcontinental civilizations or not [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► and many historians seem to take the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► position that there isn't any [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► predictability and it's interesting [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► because they will immediately go to free [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► will and how cou you're disregarding the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► notion of free well now get on the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► record here I don't believe in free will [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► I think it is a fairy tale that people [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► tell themselves but in the context of a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► discussion of history i'm always happy [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► like look let's not argue about free [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► will cause we'll be here forever i will [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► just i will just happily grant to you [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► that Free Will exists and let's take the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► whole conversation forward from there [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► but so many historians are of the view [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► that because Free Will exists [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► you can't make these generalizations [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that Guns Germs and Steel wants to make [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that Eurasia was more likely than other [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► places to take over the world and i [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► think that you can make those [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► generalizations even if Free Will exists [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► and I think that that is at bottom level [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► like the fundamental disagreement [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► that is taking place here and and trying [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► to read through the many many different [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► threads of people who've been arguing [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► about this and people who've written [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► some articles about this like yes [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► everyone i have read all of the articles [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► i have read just about everything about [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► this i think like that is the bottom [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► root level of this is like a question of [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► human agency and my view is even if we [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► grant the existence of free will and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► human agency that humans are allowed to [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► make their own decisions [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► yeah that it seems crazy to me that some [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► people will argue against the idea that [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► human decisions are constrained by [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► environments that you cannot like so [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► there's an example that i'm always [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► trying to use and I think the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► conversation going to link to is a good [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► example of of what kind of happens where [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► I want someone to answer a very specific [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► question that i have here is this thing [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that I wrote in the discussion right I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► said do you agree with what I view is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► the counterclaims like do you agree with [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► like my portrayal of of your argument [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► that all continents are equally as [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► likely to produce empire building [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► civilizations like that seems to be the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► counter-argument if you are saying that [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► there's no predictability you are saying [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► that someone living in the aboriginal [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► desert right or in Antarctic ice sheets [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that those people are just as likely to [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► be able to come up with empires of [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► someone else and it is so interesting to [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► me that in all of these conversations no [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► matter how many back and forth i have I [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► can never get someone to directly answer [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► that question all I will all I will ever [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► get back as people saying you can't do a [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► historical what if historical what if [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► questions are meaningless so we can't [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► have this discussion that's not a thing [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that we can say or they'll say oh you [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► are trying to make a statistical [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► argument but we only have a sample size [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► of one earth so we can't make any [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► statistical arguments and that this this [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► is the back-and-forth that happens when [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► i feel like--okay we here at this [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► disagreement is our fundamental [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► well and it is crazy making me because I [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► feel like for the love of God right like [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► if you have a tribe of people living [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► 10,000 years ago and what will be [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► Deadhorse Alaska the very northern part [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► of that state there there's no way that [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► those people are going to be able to [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► build an empire like civilization [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► there's just nothing there for them [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► think they're not gonna have agriculture [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► they're not going to be able to develop [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► advanced technology they're not going to [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► conquer the world [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► hmm it just seems it just seems to me [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► like you can't argue against that and if [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► you like if you historian will grant me [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► this one case that people living on a [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► sheet of ice are slightly like even ever [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► so slightly less likely to take over the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► then you have granted what I see is the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► only thing I need to make the rest of [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► this argument there is some statistical [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► money balling of history that you can do [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► on a grand scale over long periods of [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► time but I am trying very hard here not [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► to misrepresent the other side but this [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► is the argument that I come up against [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► where people will not grant that or they [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► will just avoid answering that one part [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► of it and and that is what i think is [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► the fundamental disagreement [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► well that's because they know how much I [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► mean you shouldn't be giving if I answer [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► honestly [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► yeah and that's why I like sometimes I [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► feel like there's a there's like a [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► bizarre i don't know how to put it like [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► I feel like they don't want to get dress [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► this for life like for some other reason [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► yes it's funny that you mentioned the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► the race stuff before because as well [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► when these conversations happen [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► inevitably forget about many of these [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► arguments many times not under my own [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► name on the internet while of anonymity [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► on the internet is like I could be [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► cgpgrey and argue on some random forum [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► about concerns do you like nobody knows [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► it's me [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Nevernever everyone's gonna be seeing [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► cgpgrey ghosts on every single yeah for [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► you never know you never know it's me [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► but so this is one thing comes up all [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► the time which is that the person I'm [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► argue against when I feel like we're [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► digging down to this moment where I'm [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► saying like to you think Aborigines are [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► as likely to take over the world [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► nothing to do with them being Aborigines [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► but doing the fact that they were in the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► middle of a desert right with terrible [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► animals and no resources accessible at [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► 10,000 years ago bc level technologies [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► then there comes a moment where someone [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► is saying something like why are you [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► measuring success as people taking over [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the world and so this exact thing [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► happened in this conversation where the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► person i'm arguing again says why is [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► conquering the world the measure of the [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► historical success like shouldn't we be [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► impressed with how people are able to [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► live in incredibly different [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► circumstances in various parts of the [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► world is like that to me seems like I I [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► don't think you're intentionally [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► diverting the conversation but i think [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► this is like the medic evolution [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► this is a thing that comes up all of the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► time because it ends up turning the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► conversation into something else like I [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► mean yeah that's it that's not what the [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► books about that's why I'm not [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► discussing right yeah like that looks [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► not about the books not about 10,000 [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► years ago who was the happiest ya books [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► about or most successful it was about [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► her wedding took over the place and [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► killing other people that that is [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► precisely how I feel but there's there's [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► like this weird thing where the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► conversations do get derailed in this in [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► this way where someone else's like why [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► are you saying Europeans are so great [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► it's like that is the reverse of the [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► conversation that we're having like [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► we're having the exact opposite [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► conversation and i will refuse to be [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► drawn into this because again i don't [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► think it's a diversion but I think like [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► this is just an evolution of how these [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► conversations go like I think there's a [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► meme inside your head in my head that's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► having some other argument and is taking [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► this little moment to like blossom into [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the world by jumping into the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► conversations staff Greg you think about [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► this pretty deeply yeah well I can i I [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► just really think that this encapsulate [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► a kind of thing that I see and lots of [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► other arguments because the other the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► other point here is that it is very [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► interesting to see [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► in particular the bad history subreddit [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► when people start talking about my [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► argument and again i'll link to other [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► threads about this but it is this idea [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► of of the infuriating totems that i [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► mentioned in the this video will make [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► you angry thing where it is it has been [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► very interesting over the past few weeks [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► to see how things that i have said on [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► the podcast have mutated into the most [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► infuriating versions of themselves that [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► they could possibly be and so forth like [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► for two examples people represent my [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► argument as absolute determinism that i [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► am saying that if you knew enough about [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► the world you could predict everything [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► that was going to happen throughout all [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► of history and it's like I'm not making [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that argument jared diamond's not making [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► that argument [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► nobody's making that argument like [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► that's a crazy argument to make that is [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► the argument that people want to argue [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► against and it is also just infuriating [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► like it's incredibly wrong and then the [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► other one that I think has been very [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► very interesting to see has actually [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► come out of this podcast so when we [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► discussed Guns Germs and Steel last time [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► I made the remark at the end about how I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► I overly endorsed Guns Germs and Steel [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► as the history book to rule all history [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► books at the end as a way to like troll [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► people who were clearly going to be [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► getting irritated by the video as they [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► were watching it all the way through the [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► end and that would be like the final [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► capture that would set them off but that [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► has turned into and I've trying to fight [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► against it but I know like this is just [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► a losing battle [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► I have seen people say cgpgrey doesn't [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► believe anything in Guns Germs and Steel [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► and he made that whole video just to [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► piss off historians write this isn't [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► about me like this isn't just I'm saying [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► this is an interesting pattern that i [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► see in the world that happens with [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► conversations right where suddenly [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► people are arguing against like this [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► this infuriating totem version of me [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► it's like boy I would hate that guy to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► write like if someone who had [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► built a career as a person who is making [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► educational videos then intentionally [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► made something that was false just to [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► screw around with the community that he [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► doesn't like so much like wow what a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► dick that guy would be right like i [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► would totally agree with that so that [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► the thing that I want to mention here [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► which is like the broader point is [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► especially after having done this [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► podcast and seeing this happen to myself [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► like with conversations like language [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► that we discussed a long time ago in a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► bunch of other things basically i have [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► come to the point and I think everyone [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► should keep this in mind that if you [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► have only heard about another person's [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► opinions from someone who doesn't like [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► that person you need to be extremely [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► suspicious of that yes that is true but [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► i think it's less obvious than you think [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► yeah right yes less obvious than you [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► think it is and I have definitely found [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► a bunch of very interesting cases where [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► like I have intentionally done a thing [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► over the past year much more than I ever [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► used to which is when I keep hearing [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► about how awful someone is like oh let [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► me let me go actually try to figure out [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► a little bit about their viewpoints on [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► topic X or whatever it is sometimes [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► they're still just awful people but many [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► times I have been surprised and go okay [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► well like this person i thought was [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► awful i thought it because I wasn't even [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► aware of it but I had only ever heard of [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► their views in these like vastly [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► distorted ways [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► yeah and it's like okay yeah i thought [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► that this person this imaginary totemic [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► version of this person was absolutely [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► awful but it's like it is just this [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► cartoonish version of their actual views [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► like and that is really interesting to [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► to see firsthand and again like the Guns [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► Germs and Steel thing like again I'm not [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► trying to dismiss all arguments against [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► it as as this totemic thing there's [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► plenty plenty to to criticize [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► legitimately i just think this is to me [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► an interesting example of this [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► phenomenon in action and it's very [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► interesting for it to be happening to [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► myself over a topic that again as we [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► said at the beginning like it doesn't [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► really matter that much if guns germs [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and steel is right or wrong so like this [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► is all like a fun intellectual game in [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► some ways which I'm sure someone will [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► take out of context but it's just I [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► think it's very interesting to see how [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► conversations unfold and if you really [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► really want to see a back-and-forth in [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► more detail with many thousands of words [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► i will link to a couple of things in the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► show notes for you to go take a look at [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► four conversations you have this great [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► interest in arguments and debates and [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► the spread of how you to know the sort [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► of stuff you know you've made a video [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► about it and you've been talking about [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► it now it's like it interests you a lot [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► intellectually matter what the debate is [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► about and I sometimes wonder whether or [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► not that comes from just who you are and [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► what your mind is like or it comes from [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► the fact that I feel like you have a [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► very internet existence you know you [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► have this sort of very ready and [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► internet existence and and and that is [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► kind of the hotbed for this kind of [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► place this is where this stuff is at its [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► most overt and wild and I wonder whether [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► that feeds into that has made you more [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► interested in it or you just met [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► naturally into that sort of stuff [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► because you know your guy who likes [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► debating and intellectual discourse or [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► whether or not you spend so much time on [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► read and watch so much people throwing [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► crap at each other that you now have [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► become very interested in the process of [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► crap throwing yeah well the internet [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► definitely takes crap throwing 211 right [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► like there's no there's no disagreement [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► with that and i think the Internet has [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► an effect of magnifying certain features [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► of arguments so that they are more [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► obvious and it's more clear I'm not [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► exactly sure when this started but I [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► mean I can definitely say that one of [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the most interesting things that comes [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► out of seeing a lot of arguments on the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► internet is this recognizing of patterns [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► and recognizing how oh this conversation [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► is is that these participants think that [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► they're having this conversation but [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► actually they are an instantiation of [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► this pattern that occurs all the time [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► looking at it like a level above like [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► that it becomes [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► I don't know it becomes different than [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► seeing two people having an argument if [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► it becomes i'm seeing this pattern [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► spread through the world and i think one [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► of the best ways to do this is is [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► actually like so like I read it like [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► change my view which has a lot of people [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► just arguing and debating about whatever [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► pick a topic on there like look at what [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► people are discussing and pick something [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► that you just don't have any interest in [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► that you don't like you haven't decided [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► what side you're on em and when you [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► watch people argue with things that you [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► are not a part of it becomes much more [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► clear like oh there's some kind of [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► metastructure here there's something [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that is not specific to this argument [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that is still happening and that is [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► where it is most clear where you can see [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► this thing where people argue past each [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► other when you don't have a dog in the [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► fight it becomes much more obvious when [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► like Oh person on side a you're arguing [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► against an imaginary version of person [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► on side B and person on side B you're [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► doing the same thing like you two are [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► not actually arguing against each other [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► or you can have the case where which I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► feels a bit like the Guns Germs and [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► Steel thing was like I am a person who [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► is conceding 99% of the ground in this [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► argument but the other person constantly [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► think that we have much more of a [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► disagreement that we actually do and and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► it's I think it basically long story [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► short i think you're right i think that [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► being on the internet and being a very [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► internet e person magnifies a certain [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► interest that i have in this already and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it's definitely something that has been [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► has been growing over the past year [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► argue about it in the comments people if [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► you lost all your episodes of hello [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► internet from your computer tomorrow [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► well that'll be okay you could download [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► them again from the hello internet [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► website or perhaps somewhere like I [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► chains but whatever your personal data [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► disappeared tomorrow your photos private [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► information that novel you've been [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► working on for the last eight years [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► where would you go what would you do [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► maybe anti-stress maybe [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► you remember to back them up to external [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► hard drive but that was six months ago [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► now wasn't always an eight months ago [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► when did you last backup or maybe the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► burglars who took your computer also [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► took your hard drives now what we'll [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► never fear [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► backblaze here and because you sign up [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► for backblaze your computer was silently [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► backing up all your files every day to [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► the backplate servers and there it sits [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► safely along with the 150 petabytes of [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► other data backed up by people who were [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► just as smart as you so now you can [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► simply download it all back to your new [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► computer or you can contact baptized and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► now physically post your hard drive with [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► all the data on it [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► crisis averted now back place isn't just [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► great for these major catastrophes you [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► can also retrieve single files with just [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► a few clicks you can even get your files [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► from a really cool app on your phone [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► this is a super service I use it myself [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► really happily and I recommend it to you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► all back place was founded by X Apple [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► engineers and it will run natively on [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► your mac and all your pace eh it's just [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► five dollars a month for the incredible [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► piece of mind you get unlimited [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► unthreatened backup if you'd like to [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► give them a try go to back blinds.com / [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► hello internet there you can go on for a [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► risk free no credit card required trial [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► I think once you've seen an action it [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► will probably sell you on the whole [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► thing that address again [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► backblaze dot-com / hello Internet the / [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► hello internet will let them know you [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► came from here on the podcast and as [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► always our thanks to back plays for [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► supporting the show so as we record but [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► what I should be doing right now is [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► packing did this happen before when you [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► were supposed to be packing that somehow [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► we're recording a show with me instead i [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► am going on a holiday briefly to India [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► oh and then and then the main the main [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► body of the holiday is in Bhutan which [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► is a place I've never been to before and [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► I'm very excited about visiting time [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and quickly click click you must have a [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► fight you must vaguely remember is you [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► always get a very clear i like batons [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► near indonesia no I wouldn't say that [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► problem is i know they have the dragon [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► flag like that's the thing that leaves [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► into my head but I have nowhere idea in [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► oh I'm confusing them with confusing it [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► with brunei that's what I'm thinking out [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► sorry [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► entire nations of fruit and fruit [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► I'm sorry to other Tim intimidate those [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► who live there [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► I can't speak for bringing our but I [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► would be very surprised if we have many [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► listeners in Bhutan it's bit of a [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► forbidden kingdom and technology has [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► only sort of just started coming to it [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► so what are you talking about [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► we mean technologies only just started [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► coming to it what what what kind of [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► apocalypse happened there [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► no it's just one of these really sort of [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► you know forbidden sheltered places his [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► reputation for that so what do you mean [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► by the word forbidden you always hear [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► the word forbidden used when you get [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► people talking about bhutan because [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► they're like they don't think many [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► people in and things like that it's like [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► a forbidden kingdom the word forbidden [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► shows up once on the wikipedia page [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► saying that proselytism is forbidden by [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► a royal government decision in Baton [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► well they again that the day that I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► don't think that's backing up your case [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► 1 match for bitter flame [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► nope they're famous for forbidding that [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► you're forbidding proselytism here we go [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► here's a blog he's a wall street journal [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► block with I say forbidden kingdom opens [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► up a little bit like I don't care what [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► you say i'm calling it forbidden because [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► it sounds awesome haha I'm sorry Brady I [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► didn't mean to try to take away your [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► forbidden kingdom that you're going to [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► visit in him the myth mystery of the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► east and and one of the one of the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► things that really got me interested in [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► going there there is a mountain there [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► which is the highest mountain in the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► world that has not been summited and i [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► can't i can't say it's like ganga poon [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► some are you going to summit that [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► mountain Brady i'm not going to so much [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► i just want to see it out with much less [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► interesting obviously i'm not going to [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► summarize seriously don't you haven't [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► you been up mount mount everest happened [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► regarding what do you know why ganga [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► pues name has not been submitted great [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► obviously not i'll tell you why because [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► it's forbidden [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► it is not you are not know you are not [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► allowed to climb up the government of [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► Bhutan has banned the climbing of [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► mountains over 6,000 meters and ganga [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► prints are is 7507 teenagers high which [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► is very high so that's that's not [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► allowed to decline it is a forbidden [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► mountain I would say it's prohibited [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that too but the prohibited kingdom [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► doesn't sound quite as good as the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► forbidden kingdom [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► not even close though so I depending on [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► the weather i hope to catch a glimpse of [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that mountain from a distance [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► otherwise otherwise the clouds may [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► forbid my viewing of it as well they may [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► block your viewing of it so i'm hoping [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► to get a look at it and I'm really [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► looking forward to Bhutan or i will [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► report back to the hello Internet nation [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► upon my return but going there doesn't [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► involve me going to india twice i have [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► to stop in india on the way we're going [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► to go and see the Taj Mahal was no other [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► receiver Cena and then we have to stay [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► in India when we come back [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► this brings me to one of my favorite [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► topics Indian vases [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► yes I I hear that the Indian government [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► bureaucracy is amazing [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► well last time I went to India I had a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► real mon on the podcast because i had to [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► go all the way to Birmingham which is a [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► city a few hours from where i am and [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► feel that all these forms in person and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► since then [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► india has introduced this electronic [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► these are system and everyone tweeted me [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► an emailed me and said I already know [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► this is coming in you know what do you [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► think about it and I couldn't tell [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► people what I thought about it because I [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► hadn't done i have now done and I have [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► to take my hat off to the indian [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► government I didn't think it would be [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► possible to replicate the terrible [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► terrible terrible experience of visa [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► application in person in the online [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► format but they've done it for real they [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► they have managed to transfer the hard [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► egg disappointment an impossibility of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► their visa system very effectively onto [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► the internet that sounds amazing the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► only thing that sleeping into my head is [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► on my list of games to play it is a game [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► called papers please and it is a game [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► where you just look through documents as [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► a government [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► employee like it has a paperwork [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► replicator and so I like this idea that [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► someone in the Indian government like [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► it's really terrible to apply to our [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► faces in person how can we capture the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► feeling of that and put it onto the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► internet they have they have captured [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► the feeling and I you should add to your [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► list of games to play applying for an [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► indian visa just for the fun of it that [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► would be the only reason to go to India [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► I'm going to ignore just the bad design [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► and an intuitive layout and just the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► general unpleasantness of that because [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► you know that's a matter of taste and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► maybe culturally Indian webpages are [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► different and finally to I need to deal [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► with that i don't know i don't think so [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► but ok sure go ahead but having sort of [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► arbitrary red asterisks is next to the [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► things that have to be filled out and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► not filled out and then changing your [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► mind and saying you've got to go and [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► fill that out even though it didn't have [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► an Asterix that I had whatever whatever [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► yeah i'm sure this is that is the [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► cultural difference but the level of [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► detail they want to go to this country [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► to continues to amaze me and okay i [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► guess like I was able to recollect the [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the intimate birth details of my parents [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► eventually then being asked to list [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► every city I've ever been to in india is [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► when I've been there a few times now is [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► not it's not easy being asked the visa [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► number and the address of the last place [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► i stayed in when I was in India was also [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► quite a challenge digging up that [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► information but my favorite was being [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► required to list all the countries i [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► have visited in the last 10 years [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► oh la la [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► I know like I know like I'm an old guy [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► so I've tried i travel a bit now but [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► like that's a long list and like I can't [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► do it I travel as little as possible but [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► i would have a hell of a hard time [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► coming up with all the places i have [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► been in the last 10 years and I was just [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► the bank the other day actually having [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► quite a good bureaucratic experience for [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► once but they needed to know the address [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► of the house I lived in two houses ago [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► let's say I can't do that either now [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► this is within the past five years and [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► was like I have [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► I got nothing right there's nothing in [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► my head about this look can you give us [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► the first letter of the postcode now i [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► have i have no idea that I just I text [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► my wife whenever that happens I'll be in [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► a bank saying what was the address of [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► that place we lived in Nottingham that [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► third place like she's amazing for that [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► but I got no idea [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► so anyway and excruciating amount of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► detail was required now I understand [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► they're pretty they're pretty delicate [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► about people that have connections with [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► Pakistan and if i just said have you [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► ever been to Pakistan or have you got [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► any relatives who are from pakistan i [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► would understand there are there issues [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► uh-huh but but this was this was this [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► was an ordeal and it was worsened by the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► fact i had to apply for me and I was I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► volunteered to do my wife as well so i [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► had to go through it twice but no i [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► didn't have to go through it twice [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I didn't have to go through it twice [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► because he is the other catch you can [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► only do one entry and we are going into [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► India on the way to Bhutan and then [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► we're coming into india again on the way [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► back like a week and a half later that [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► requires a whole separate visa and you [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► have to go through the whole multi-page [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► website again and do a whole thing again [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► but also you can only do it in this kind [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► of window one month out from when you go [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► so I filled out the form not knowing I [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► was going to have this problem having to [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► do it twice i filled out the form you [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► filled out the thing when went through [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► the house separate thing you have to [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► then do to pay the sixty dollars to some [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► other Bank which never works and takes [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► about eight goes to make work over a [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► series of days but then I found out okay [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► you've got your visa but that's only [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► going to get you in once you now have to [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► wait for the other window to open for [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► your other visa to go into India when [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► you coming back [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► they make it so hard to get into that [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► country and pulling up a map here right [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► mm why are you going to India like you [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► just stopping over on your way to Bhutan [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► right why don't you just give India the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► middle finger and just just stop in [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Pakistan get a connecting flight in [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► pakistan i did for rizzle abad or [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► something I don't know I've never been [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► to Pakistan and I i can imagine applying [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► for visas there is probably also not the [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► world's easiest experiences you will [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► find all that next over its Afghanistan [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► right I'm sure that we can use that [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► connecting flight in the cool like I'm [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► just I'm trying to help you here because [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► okay if I know fine let's go we'll go a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► little bit more west we can get a [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► connecting flight out of Iran is that is [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► that work for you can begin connecting [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► flight out of around this is not an easy [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► part of the world to travel to visit but [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► I have to I have to say my wife loves [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► india and we both want to see the Taj [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► Mahal so that is why we're guy and I'm [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► sure will be lovely and all of these [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► problems with the visa will be will be [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► long forgotten will they though I feel [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► like this kind of stuff sticks in your [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► craw for a long time i have had problems [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► with these as every time I've ever gone [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► to India [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► mhm and some of them have involved mercy [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► missions in the middle of the night to [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► go and get some guy to unlock the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► embassy for meeting to look to sign some [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► document [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► well i think i'm on my long list of [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► reasons never to go to India this is [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► just another one don't say that because [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► we have like we have lots of business in [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► India and there they really could eat my [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► own i'm sure they are good emailing like [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► sorry yeah I'm never going to your [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► country like I have no interest in going [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► your visa sounds like a real pain in the [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► butt I swear like if I saw it was like [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► if I had some some even mild interest [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► into going to india and I load up a visa [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► page and I could see the bottom of the [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► page it said you know click Next for [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► Paige to that would be enough to totally [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► defeat me like African i'm not going to [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► India like I mean you know me gray i'm [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► always trying to get you to go places [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► and do things that I've done because [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► that's just what I don't know I was [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► trying to get you to go into pole but [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► i'm not selling you in india yet i I'm [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► I'm yeah that's character because that I [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► have to get them to fall experience and [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► it's just I yeah when we get are getting [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► flight through let's see [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► yeah we get our connecting flight [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► through Baghdad to depaul at napo's easy [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► to get into the forbidden kingdom of [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► Bhutan I can't tell you because the [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► travel agent had to do those vases it is [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► so forbidden that I couldn't even do the [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► visa application that's how forbidden it [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► is i don't even know what was involved [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► I don't know where they were paper bags [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► exchange in the dead of night or [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► mysterious magic words have to be spoken [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► but yeah I don't even know what it was [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► required I've just got your bribes paid [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► bribes paid that's the thing [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► but yes so i'm not going to india and [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► email Brady but sometimes I defend [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► bureaucracies because I think Roxy's [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► have a bad rap my favorite experience [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► with the bureaucracy ever was when i was [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► getting qualified to be a teacher here [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► in the UK i am a foreigner I'm an [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► immigrant in the UK and so at one point [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► I was talking with my advisor and she [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► was telling me oh we have to get you [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► certified that you can speak English [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► ok i am talking to you right now is this [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► is this not good enough [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► she goes no everyone who is from outside [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► the UK you have to bring to me a piece [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► of paper that says that you are fluent [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► in English and so I had to book an exam [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► to go to this building to take it to [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► take a test to prove that I could speak [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► English and and what I think was going [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► to happen i thought i'm going to be okay [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► so i'm going to get into like a room [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► with some dude and it's like oh haha [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► we'll have a fun chuckle over this won't [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► we write like any American speak English [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► who knows [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► nope the only way that the test just [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► nope the only way that the test just [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► see if I was conversing in English [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► enough to teach in a UK school was [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► entirely an on-screen computer test that [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► was multiple choice I had to sit there [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► for like an hour answering a bunch of [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► questions in English and then they gave [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► me a piece of paper which said [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► congratulations you passed you can [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► squirt speak english and then i gave my [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► advisor back at the university that [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► piece of paper and in front of me she [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► could take a little box on her form that [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► said yes this person speaks english [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► great that sounds like your dream come [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► true you didn't have to interact with a [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► person just a screen like you I would've [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► thought you'd be quite grateful for that [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► i lost a whole afternoon of my life [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► Brady a whole afternoon of my life never [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► never gotten back I couldn't I couldn't [TS]