H.I. #60: The Beautiful Game
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get ready get ready get ready I'm ready
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and I was talking to me I wasn't talking
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to you I watched your Star Trek
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transporter video and at the time I
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thought is this a little bit of bollocks
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like all your videos it was it was it
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was well written and thought-provoking
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and yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what do you
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mean it was bollocks that what do you
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really like the first half of cool i'm
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mostly like em you know we've discussed
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transporters before obviously you
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discuss transporters with everybody
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anyone who knows you know you talk about
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transporters all the time yeah this is
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regular dinner table conversation if you
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have me over at the house is like
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there's a few things that are going to
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come up
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free will is going to come up yet the
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question of do you know why American
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Indians got sick with the Europeans
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didn't get saying that they're going to
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cut love it and then do you think that
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the transporter is a suicide machine
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those are like your three guaranteed
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great conversation starter
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yeah so the transport of things or I
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mean you know besides the fact it's a
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fictional machine but you know that's
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our i'm going to go with that I'm going
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to go with that and it is an interesting
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conundrum if two of you exist you know
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this is this is a classic conundrum
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prestige was great for that wasn't a
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great movie for that I still haven't
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seen it but I feel like I know that
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whole movie because everyone has told me
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every part of it that's a great movie
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great thanks twitter spoilers well you
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know I had eventually when the film's
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been around long enough you can you've
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got to just say me a copper I should
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have seen it by now and works with this
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before but the last part of your video
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where you talk about dying every time
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you go to sleep well hang on let's just
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let's just give me a yes or no answer
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here do you think you die every time you
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go to sleep
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this is the part where you think I'm
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just being silly at the end
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no I don't think you're being silly i
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just want you and you haven't given me a
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yes or no just give me a yes or no then
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you can say whatever you want
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do you think you and I and other people
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die every time we go to sleep
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note that you can only say one of two
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words next
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that's not how this works that is not
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one of the words yes or no
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okay listen listen oh I said afterwards
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you can say whatever you want and you
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can do all your clarifying and all that
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but the next word I want out of your
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mouth is a yes or a no it's unknowable
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Brady wrong bro and I said what do you
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think it's not unknowable what you think
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you know what you think because you're
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thinking it
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no easy now easy there you have you come
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to help you have a false premise in your
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head you assume that i have a clear
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opinion on this topic right you guys
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doing this at a time when we were
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actually answer you are doing exactly
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what your keys to your guns germs and
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steel a pilot's of doing in the last
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podcast episode where you said they
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avoid questions and reframe the debate I
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i do not think we die every time we go
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to sleep and this how if there's this
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break in the stream of consciousness
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then we are dead is ridiculous
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it is a ridiculous definition of death
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maybe I don't know but it is a
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ridiculous suggestion and I don't think
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it is ridiculous
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I genuinely do not think it is
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ridiculous well great i'm here to tell
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you it is i mean how are we defining
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breaks in consciousness are there like
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plank second breaks in their
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consciousness when we look from one
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place to another in which we momentarily
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died are we dying every few planks
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seconds when out when our
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consciousnesses disengaged for a
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nanosecond like well where are we
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drawing lines here if we're drawing of
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the death line sleep
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we've entered the world of
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ridiculousness well I mean look look if
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someone's asleep and shoot them in the
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have I not killed them because they were
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alive at the time
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let's see Kevin you're now you know
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trying to frame this like it's murder
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right like you've killed this person and
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you should go to prison for it
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oh that's even better if i give someone
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a sleeping pill over killed them
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it's just really just ridiculous its
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history
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it's not ridiculous it is not it is not
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ridiculous I I reject your claim that it
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is just absurd it is just ridiculous
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I i think this is one of many very
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interesting questions that are related
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to the nature of of consciousness the
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consciousness is this strange like
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inexplicable phenomenon of the universe
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that just doesn't make any sense and
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makes the less sense makes less sense
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the more you think about it right you
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can start driving yourself crazy when
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you start thinking about consciousness
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yeah but I think you're doing a
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disservice to the debate when you say
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something silly like when we go to sleep
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with dead because that that's like
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you're undermining yourself it's like
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you're dressing up in a clown suit to
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make the argument and why did alright
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and I don't and I i completely agree
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with you which it's immensely
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interesting and you posed many really
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interesting questions in the video but
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throwing some deliberately provocative
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thing out there like saying is the Grim
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Reaper coming at night and taking our
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life every night I mean that's not
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deliberately provocative I wake up in
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the morning and often have a moment of
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wondering about this like do I just have
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my memories from the previous day's or
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is this a continuous version of me like
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I don't think there's any way to know
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that's why I think like the sleep thing
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is is inseparable from the transporter
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paradox if I didn't think this sleep
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thing was connected to the transporter
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paradox
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I wouldn't have made that whole video in
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my mind the whole video was just to get
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to the point that you think is the
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provocative bit tacked onto the end to
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me like that's the thing that really
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affects my daily life
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well it must be a hard thing yet it is
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hard being me
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it's terribly difficult being me trust
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me gray you're the same guy I'd like you
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just you just to sleep
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I mean listen I don't even know if
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you're alive really like if you're
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conscious or if you're just some robot
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that I talked to write so it's like I
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can't just trust you on this
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I love that we're talking about this
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because you know what I've been and will
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probably talk about this later but I've
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been thinking a lot the last few weeks
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about the difference between us and
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computers and wife and I think and it's
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really hard to read
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hard thing to to to think about and
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arguing is you know I think I think
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people who say there's no difference
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between humans and computers actually
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have the easier easier position and the
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fact that we can sit around and wonder
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if we were dead when we're asleep I
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think that's getting close to the what
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separates us from computers just the the
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absurdity of thinking about this and
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taking it seriously is wonderful i think
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your credit humanity great it is not
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absurd to wonder about as I'm not gonna
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let you just get away with that
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just just sliding it out there like that
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i will follow this to the absurd
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conclusion that we die every nanosecond
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right that's what you were you can we're
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trying to push me out before
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yeah I will follow this to the end and
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think that it is not improbable that
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what we have is a universe which is
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divided up into like these infinite
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number of time slices each of which has
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the memories of what has come before but
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every single moment we are just a
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creature that is conscious and new with
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all of the memories yeah 10 yeah is the
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universe like a house series of nails
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and things like this
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yeah well okay and that's I think that's
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a different type III think it's maybe
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it's time to talk semantics and redefine
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what we mean by death because I think
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you're taking a very provocative word in
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death and applying it to a whole
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different discussion here now and using
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imagery like the Grim Reaper who is
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varied is is using is using the emotive
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pneus of what normal people consider
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death and injecting it into a whole
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different discussion
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how are you not anxious before you fall
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asleep sometimes like this has never
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crossed your mind that this is your last
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day you just just hop into bed like it
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like a happy Brady every time it never
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crosses your mind that our I guess this
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is my only day of existence because that
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crosses my mind all the time when it's
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bedtime
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I think it's I think it really shows
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your humanity and that warms my heart
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look at you trying to turn this around
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on me to bring you back from your trip
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your trip to the forbidden kingdom
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I wasn't even sure if you were going to
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make it back from such a mysterious
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mysterious place I thought you might be
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swept away by the mists of that land but
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you're back
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so how was i'm back and amazingly you
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took so long to edit the last broadcast
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that I had been and had returned before
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you put up the podcast saying i was
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about to go
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that's how that works these things
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aren't as scheduled now you've accepted
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the term forbidden kingdom that I'm just
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doing it to humor you but you know if
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you you know us i go on Wikipedia or
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higher dimensions that they actually
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have a page if you search forbidden
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kingdom on wikipedia it said this could
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refer to Bhutan i'm searching for
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forbidden kingdom right now there's a
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movie called The Forbidden Kingdom 2008
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with jackie chan and gently not the film
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ok but this is the thing that comes out
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this is the title one under the
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forbidden kingdom look at offer oh yeah
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yeah okay but if I have to go to the
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disambiguation page you've already lost
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i'm not impressed i haven't no because
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I'm not saying it's like the only thing
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called if in the forbidden kingdom 1932
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novel by Jace Lauer half I'm saying it's
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a legitimate term forbidden kingdom is
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setting in dungeons and dragons
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yeah and what's number five on the list
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a country guitar because someone's
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really imperial palace of me great Qin
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dynasty's pray it says there's time a
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country sometimes occasionally may be
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referred to as the forbidden kingdom by
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Brady that's what it's a good idea that
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is that's what it will always say on the
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he finally with some reluctance letter
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we went and waited
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waiting for the bags among the crowds of
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people the officer came back and found
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back to the immigration counter like
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back through all the security took her
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back to the counter to redo all the
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stamps and the paperwork wouldn't
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explain what it was I wasn't allowed to
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go with her and I reckon it must have
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taken 30 minutes of nightmares to get to
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get through what and then we have the
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same problem when we came back in i had
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problems when I was going out where he
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didn't understand what was going on with
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my passport and he was about to go and
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see his boss and I said before you go
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and see your boss and I pointed that he
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was looking at the wrong stamp with its
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handwritten number in my passport and
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said you should be looking at that stamp
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computer and he was like oh yeah maybe
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I'll try that when I was doing the job
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for them
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it sounds like a lovely country but we
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did go to the Taj Mahal yeah was worth
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hours of people were exceeded my
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expectations one of the one of the most
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amazing places I've been
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can you go inside it you can just walk
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around the ground you can you can go
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inside that x is a bit crazy with queues
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and but you wouldn't like that part
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going inside part so if I got in here I
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don't even want to go inside the Dodger
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are gonna go in it but you don't know us
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it won't like it but you've got 20 it's
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a bit out you've gotten that far you may
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as well but it's just it's just like
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it's just as beautiful as it looks and
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other pictures and no really and it's in
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a really big setting like it's what I
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didn't realize was how lovely the
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grounds are thats in this game
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in these sort of verdant lovely gardens
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and although there's like you know tens
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of thousands of people visiting the site
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is big enough and nice enough that kind
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of soaks up the people so you don't feel
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like you in sort of crazy busy india you
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do feel like you're in you're in a
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crowded oasis for a foreign territory
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except when you get channeled into the
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building itself that is that is
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craziness but really what be really
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wonderful but then the obviously the
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main reason for the trip was going to
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the forbidden kingdom of Bhutan and I I
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could talk about return forever it was
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absolutely brilliant one of the best
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countries i've ever been to lots of
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interesting things to say and say about
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it and i'll talk about if you want but
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the one thing i really want to talk
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about that was the absolute highlight
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for me is the flight to and from return
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without doubt the most magnificent flat
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you will ever do you have to do on the
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drug air which is the national airline
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of Baton oh yeah so when I was in India
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sort of the people that were looking
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after the two or said if you want to if
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you going on the drug care it's worth
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going to the airport a few hours earlier
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than you should just to get a seat on
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the left-hand side of the plane who when
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you're flying from Delhi to pero which
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is where the airport is in return
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because that's the side or the Himalayas
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are on who and basically the whole
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flight just skirts along the edge of the
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Himalayas past you know I think three of
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the top five mountains in the world five
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highest mountains in the world including
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Everest are all along the hall outside
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the bank so we got to we go to the
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airport very very early like three in
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the morning because I there's no way I
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wasn't gonna get that safe and we got
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the state we got the state on the
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left-hand side i was really excited I'm
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not always that into in-flight
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entertainment sometimes I watch TV shows
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and movies and things like that I swear
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my eyes were glued to the window for the
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whole area and a half that we were
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flying like it was just amazing I
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couldn't take my eyes off of just going
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just like the Himmel it was like the
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ultimate screensaver just watching the
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Himalayas go past that you could reach
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out and touch the mountains and I was
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going crazy taking photos and then when
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Everest was coming i was so excited and
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it was clear-headed
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out uh-huh you couldn't see the top of
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Everest but it was still amazing still
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so these amazing mountains I'm just
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pulling it up on my computer here with a
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3d topographical map and it looks like a
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hell of an amazing flight if you are on
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the left-hand side of the plane like I
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don't see why along this route like now
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be on the left right because to write
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like directly under the plane on the
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right hand side there's nothing left
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hand side it is the most magnificent
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mountains ever which i feel like i am
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getting eighty percent of the delight in
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this trip simply by looking at it as a
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3d rendering on my computer it's quite
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amazing when we came in to land at pero
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and suddenly the plane did this like
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crazy turn and there were like mountains
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and monasteries like right up against
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the wing and I'm go
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what the hell's going on this is insane
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this tight turn amongst all the
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mountains and then this crazy sharp
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landing and author gosh I didn't know
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that was coming it was that was quite
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the landing so a bit later on that
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evening i looked up pero airport on the
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I'm looking at it right now I can I can
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see why you did a crazy land yeah and I
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didn't realize that it's this it's fact
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it's another one of these famous
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airports for this crazy dangerous
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landing
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I've never had a bad crash there like to
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have it look like the other death
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airport that I always go to but it was
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like it was an insane
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it was insane landing but really
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exciting the the airport is at the
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bottom of a valley but it's almost like
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at the bottom of a why we're that this
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mountain is going up on either side but
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i'm at like at the base of the airstrip
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as well there's another mountain going
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up so you really gotta just yeah drop
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the plane and a crazy maneuver to get
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onto that that landing strip
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it was quite as some quite there's some
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quite nice youtube videos of a of
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landings they're so anyway great time in
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Bhutan and then when it came time to
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I was saying I'm making sure I get the
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right hand side of the plane this time
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because that's the revert that's the
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reverse and actually we upgraded to
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business to make sure we got we got the
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prime States is a swimmer in the key
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they said would you like to upgrade to
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business and it wasn't that expensive
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because only a short flight and I said
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other any business it's on the right
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hand side still left and they went
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chicken said yes there are so
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said down so yeah so we did the flight
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back in again it was it was it was it
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was it was breathtaking i took loads of
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photos i took video and people can have
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a look at all this and we're coming up
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to Everest and it was a bit shrouded in
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clouds and like the captain announces
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when you get to Everest because i'm a
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nerd I knew what was coming and then I
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can see it up ahead and it was shrouded
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in cloud and just as we just as we sort
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of got up level with that the cloud sort
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of moved away a bit and and we got this
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beautiful view looking right at it right
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at the face of Mount Everest and I was
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taking all these photos and videos and
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got these amazing pictures and like i
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was i was very happy i was very happy
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had a very big smile on my face and I
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was like changing my lenses that have
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like a whole photo shoot going on taking
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a minute taking a million photos and
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like we've done this we've done this
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massive trip for two weeks and this was
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the bride at the end as we were leaving
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and I was telling him why I've got this
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the best bit of our trip but taking
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these photos are never at the window the
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plane but but had ever had an amazing
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bhutan 10 out of 10 if you ever get the
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chance to go do it
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this sounds like a very successful
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venture in the Brady year of fun i'm not
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really glad to hear that you had such a
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good time even though i give you a hard
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time for these things that I can hear
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the genuine Brady excitement in your
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scribe was great they had they had this
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i went to the one intersection where in
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the capital they had a they put some
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traffic lights in there was one
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intersection they thought could maybe
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justified traffic lights who and the
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people of Bhutan just didn't like it i
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didn't like traffic lights so they had
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them taken out and now they have like
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just a policeman there with fancy gloves
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on a fancy outfit like they're guiding
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all the traffic through and that's
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become a bit of an attraction so i went
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there and stood there and watched him
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guiding the traffic for 20 minutes like
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the North Korean traffic girls
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yeah it's a accept less terrifying i
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don't know what the political situation
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in Bhutan good better the North Korea
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probably
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don't start me gray i will talk about
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our talk about the politics of return
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how the monarchy's handed over power to
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and you know there's all sorts of
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interesting that I'm an expert i'm an
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expert on hand polish accent monarchy
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yeah well I could tell you all about the
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five kings and everything
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let's leave that for a beer in person i
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million photos and i posted one of the
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photos which you very helpfully asked
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everyone on Twitter to manipulate Brady
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twitter where you're looking very cool
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you know you have your sunglasses on
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photo where you are off on the edge
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internet this photograph demands an
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explosion before workshop behind it and
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boy did the internet deliver i had a
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very fun day
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Thank You internet looking at all of the
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variations of Brady looking cool with
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explosions client in the background the
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internet always delivers with that kind
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say damn you gray for filling up my
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twitter feed with pictures but another
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man for damn I look o at I'm like are
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you Rascals he says he saves them to his
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desktop to hang later every one of them
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saved in a folder in fact i'm going to
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have been a good actress award ceremony
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in a few weeks I've been asked to supply
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a photo of myself for them to show on
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the screen when they show the nominees
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how I should put one of those explosion
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pictures it
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yes and the nominees are Brady Haran all
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I have some hot stopper follow-up
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Pratt's a rival of starbucks has hot
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stoppers here in the UK and I have
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actually in no small part switched from
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drinking primarily at starbucks to
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drinking primarily at pret entirely
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because of these hot stoppers like when
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I go in and I get a coffee
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I want a heart-stopper and the thing is
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what I have noticed that I find quite
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remarkable is that if I go in and I
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asked them for a hot stopper which I do
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without even thinking about it they know
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exactly what I'm talking about and they
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just hand me one do you use the word
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heart-stopper yes I literally say oh I
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need a hot stopper because I can't even
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think about what else it's supposed to
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be called and no one ever blinks at this
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I don't even want hot stuff was but i
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always ask them just to see how they
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react I made a note of it the other day
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but I was in a print across town and I
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almost wanted to to instant message you
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because I started to point at the hot
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stoppers and the guy behind the counter
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said i would you want a hot stopper and
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he handed no I host I almost couldn't
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believe it but I was in such shock and
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it was like so busy that I couldn't I
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couldn't have a conversation with the
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dude but like where did you hear that
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word man like where did you hear that
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but yeah they use the word hot stopper
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without without being about being
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provoked by me but it's it's the natural
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word for these things
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great do you think maybe like I have a a
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yes Brady you have a gift hey this is
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like my second word i should say that
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because people take it way too seriously
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they think i actually think like I miss
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inventor of words and then they get all
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yeah you don't think it this way it's
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okay i like you know don't don't try to
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deflect now but you do think this way
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and that's fine we do have a gift I you
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what you are good with this
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behind-the-scenes you come up with a lot
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of the titles for the show like you're
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very good at picking out titles for
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shows i think you're good at naming
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things i think this is the skill of
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yours don't you say that about titles of
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the shows because you never use my
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titles i don't want people looking over
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your lame title wasn't thinking i came
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up with them
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okay all right look look at my title
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that you can leave as long as people
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know that lame title was a great the
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glass yeah there you go people all the
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titles that are lame
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those are mine and all the ones are
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great those are Brady's that's how you
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can tell the difference in defense of
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starbucks something has to be made clear
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you know how we spent forever trying to
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convince people that we didn't invent
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humble bragging we just talked about it
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all right and it took us like 30
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episodes for people to kind of I feel
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like it's finally finally gone away this
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yeah let me hear you later it's finally
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over there
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the new one is people seem to think that
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when we first started talking about hot
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stoppers starbucks had none because now
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whenever they see I know hot stops in a
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starbucks they always tweet us the
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message saying that the hot stop was a
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coming finally starbucks and getting
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them starbucks have always had hot
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stoppers they just patchy and
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intermittent and they don't have them at
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some stores and they did they don't they
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do and they don't and like that was
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always the case
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yeah they haven't like started getting
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them in on the back of all their
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pressure so like I don't mind people
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messaging me and tweeting about not stop
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was and it's really good fun but hot
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stoppers are already in existence and
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they were in existence in starbucks
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before we complained that they weren't
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everywhere it was really meters
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complaining that they aren't exactly
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where I want them to be yeah one
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particular brand several branches in
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London with their butts oh here here is
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here is what to me is like my continued
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state of well with hot stoppers because
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ok I've given up on on trying to get
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them in in my local starbucks and it's
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just not going to happen so I've been
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going to print instead and now as you
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know Brady I i sometimes have like
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routines in my life that like I like
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things to go a certain way I like things
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to be the same know that this comes in
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conflict with you know recognizing
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people at stores like I just this is a
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conflict in my life but so for various
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reasons for the past couple of weeks i
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have been establishing a new sort of
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working habit where I'm getting up very
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early i'm getting right out of the house
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and getting straight to work and on my
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way into work I go to get two lattes
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from a prayer
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on my way into work into writing now
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because I'm getting too i needed a
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little bag to carry them and I want hot
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stoppers in the lid because they're in
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the bag so it doesn't spill right that's
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not unreasonable
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that's a reasonable thing for a person
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to want right yes of course we'll have
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our cats have food issues but anyway
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know what do you mean you have a few
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issues how can you possibly have issues
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with my two issues what why do you put
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them in a bag why don't you let them in
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a holder because that would be easier to
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carry it yeah that would be easier prep
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but print doesn't do holders they do hot
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stoppers they don't do holder so they're
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only little bags yeah i know i don't
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know what position could be another
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petition coming
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yeah and and secondly what one of your
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drinks go code if you buy two at the
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same time
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well the other function of a
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heart-stopper is to keep the hot in it
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stops the hot from getting out
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so with a heart-stopper it stays warm
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longer also i drink them very quickly
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okay so it's not a big deal ok so anyway
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you want you want to hot stuffers for
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your latte center in a bag right now
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here's the problem that at pratt they
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keep the hot stoppers behind the counter
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no just have them out where you can grab
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them like starbucks normally does and
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they don't normally just give you hot
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stoppers with lattes they some for some
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reason it's in their mind that this is
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the thing just 40 right but so now I've
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been going to this regular print and I
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keep ordering two lattes and i'm there
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at like six in the morning on the only
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person there I want to get the hot
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stoppers and i asked the only guy who's
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always there for hot stoppers and we
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start to have like a little discussion
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which I can never figure out why but
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this guy never wants to give me the hot
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stoppers he's like what do you need the
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hot stoppers for you have a bag it's
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fine you can just use but it's like
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every morning bringing every morning and
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I'm like it's six in the morning i just
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want the hot stoppers and this has been
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going on for like two weeks at this
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point like there's no other prep for me
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to go into there's nothing else is open
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at this time like this is the only
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option that I have and it's like I just
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want my morning to go nice and smooth
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and yesterday I swear sometimes like now
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10 days in a row with this guy i go in i
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get the coffees I asked for hot stoppers
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and you like why do you want
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I just want to reach over the counter
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and grabbed his shirt pulled him close
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to me link
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listen man your thoughts on why I do or
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do not need the hot stoppers are
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relevant
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just give me the fucking hot stoppers
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why does this have to happen to me why
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is my life so hard Brady like why do I
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have to have this little interaction
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every freaking morning and you know what
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the worst part about it is until I
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haven't even gone to the worst part
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because it's not just this guy in this
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print there's another big problem with
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the with the hot stoppers behind the
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if your person like me try not to look
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at the way the people hand you the hot
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stoppers very often they just pick them
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up in the middle with their hands and
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hand them to you with their gross sweaty
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meaty money touching hands they hand you
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the hostel brands like dude you know
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that's going in my drink right the part
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that you're holding right here it's
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going in my drink
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why can't you just have them out on the
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counter where I can just pick them up
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like what on earth is the reason to have
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them behind the counter it's more work
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for the the people getting the coffee
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right and then they then they touch it
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with their journey hands
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I mean it's even like I try some one of
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the things that you like about starbucks
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right that is that they have all the
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lids right there and so I cannot tell
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you how pretty much every single time I
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have ever ordered a latte at Starbucks
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they hand me the latte but i'm looking
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at the way that they hold the cup and
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it's like oh I'm sorry the palm of your
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hand was way too close to the opening in
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the lid that you're handing it to me and
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so I just reach over and I just grabbed
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one of the other lids and pop it off and
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like swap out the lid so i have a nice
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fresh clean one right so i don't have to
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drink with my mouth where they were just
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touching their hand but there's no
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option with this if you ask for a
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heart-stopper so i feel like i can never
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win Brady because now the place that has
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the hots toppers the guy is reluctant to
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give them to me and even if i get them i
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get them with gross human germs mixed
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into my lattes
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I understand why it's difficult for
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someone with your disorders but
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I have to say it's not disorders it's
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not it's not even it's not even
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preferences you know like all i want all
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i want is a drink without a thumb in it
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like that's not it that's not a
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preference right that's not a disorder
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that's just it's just a normal human
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request what I mean you've read Guns
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Germs and Steel it's good for you it's
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good for you getting a bit of those gems
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in every day you're building up immunity
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i live in the middle of London I get
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plenty of germs as it is I don't need
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extra germs in my drink in the morning
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this is not what I need this is not what
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i need to do you remember when i
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messaged you that picture i took of
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mcdonalds with that woman who put her
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kid on the counter
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haha oh god that was that was the group
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that was that some kids sitting with
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their bomb on the counter where all the
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food was being served up and I was so
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hot even I was horrified by that
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so first thing I did was took a photo
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and send to the gray yeah thanks just
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looked it's just a mess with your head
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it's just a mess with your head knowing
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that something bad was happening
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somewhere in the world its just look all
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I want is for everything in the world to
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go exactly the way I wanted to go
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is that too much to ask I don't think so
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in this moment of madness i decided i
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wouldn't it be great to have an atari
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2600 again and I was just about to
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search for them on ebay and then I
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thought I bet you someone's made a
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website where you can play all these
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games you know I'd java or something
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because they're all so simple as that
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welcome to the world of emulators Brady
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this is a big deal on the internet I
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found this great sorry and i was able to
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go back and start playing all these old
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Atari games and as is always the case
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you know you play them for 10 seconds
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and you realize that was a bit line but
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I i did have a great nostalgia dose and
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one of them pit which I mentioned pit
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photo and I actually have got into
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playing a little bit probably I probably
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bird half an hour 45 minutes playing it
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will have the ladder go yeah-yeah-yeah
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and i will keep i'll keep playing it
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occasionally so who knew her Lincoln
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will put a link in the show notes go and
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play pitfall to people this is a game
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that gave me so much happiness and it's
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giving me happiness again
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the thing that I love about this as you
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asked me last time for a game
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recommendation that would get you into
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gaming but maybe
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iffy if the Atari 2600 that is going to
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be the thing that gets you back into
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gaming maybe over the next few years
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Brady you can rework your way through
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your entire childhood all the way back
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up to the Tomb Raider series at some
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point I am I am doing a bit i did put a
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bid on ebay for one of those donkey kong
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lcds you like I got outbid at the last
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minute it went over 60 quid i might get
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one now because I just wanna I wanna
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play you want to play it and feel like a
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guard again that's what yeah what will
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much like much like that story from last
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time that Duncan when I did play pitfall
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to again it was amazing how easy i found
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that like like things things that i
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spent weeks and weeks trying to crack
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just was so easy now so that really
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fleshed out what you said about maybe
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our brains just to get those games in a
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different way than when we were younger
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yeah and I think you're playing
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particularly simple games as well yeah
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i'm willing to bet like some of my
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frustrating memories on Super Nintendo
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games or gameboy games and I was kid
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like I'm willing to bet if I went back
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and tried to play some of those now I
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would find them still quite challenging
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prep but you old man playing video games
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the dawn of video games you can always
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just the simplest most basic thing that
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you can imagine how ever told you about
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my greatest month of gaming ever know it
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would have been in 1998 gather round
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children can you feel be settling back
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with my pipe and my red setter and
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precisely what I could be like you are
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you are gearing up for a grand par level
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of story here
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I know it was 98 because this was a year
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of the world cup of football or soccer
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VA and my housemate at the time and I
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were both huge fans of soccer and we
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built up lots of leave from her job
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we work together now we both took the
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entire month off so that we could watch
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the world cup and the world cup was at
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night because it wasn't but it was being
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held in France so we we blacked out the
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whole house we put like sheets / /
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windows so the house was permanently
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dark and we basically switched to
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european time although we were living in
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Australia so so we slept during the day
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and then we would wake up for like
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in the afternoon getting ready to watch
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the world cup games during the World Cup
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is usually like maybe two games per
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night and they last 90 minutes so you've
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got a lot of other time during the night
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so we we set up all these TVs through
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the house and we hired a projector to to
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project this huge screen onto one of our
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worlds at a time when having a video
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projector was a pretty big deal
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no you had to go and rent one and
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basically when we weren't watching these
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huge soccer games up on the world we
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were just playing games all the time
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usually upon that massive screen up on
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the world like like like like old all
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day and all night and then all their
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mates were coming over in the night
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because they're working during the day
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but they would come in the night and
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play games with us all night and we
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would have all these tourneys and things
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like that and we also had a pool table
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and we would have liked pool table
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tournaments going on simultaneously with
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videogame tournaments and in that room
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over there that'd be a golden our
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tournament going on and let the house
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was just this intense hub of games
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between soccer matches for like I could
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a complete month I didn't even want to
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think about what I must have ate in that
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month but it kind of been healthy you
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are making me so envious for the freedom
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of youth right now I know I know
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listening to this story
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I mean I'm sure some of our listeners
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are horrified at the thought of what a
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house with a bunch of guys have been
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where the windows have been blacked out
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with to protect her up on the screen
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like I'm sure there's a people like
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imagining the horror of the pieces smell
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and and the beer and the guys but but i
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think if you are a certain kind of guy
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like even the sports part of this to me
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like I can get behind this whole notion
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of like you know what I'm just taking a
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month out of my life for a certain kind
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of male hedonism and it is going to be
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amazing
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you know what the worst thing is
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normally a shame that this I was
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thinking about earlier today and at that
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time my house might had a girlfriend who
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lived with us and I can't remember where
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she was or what she did at home but like
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like because she obviously didn't take
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the map valve and when she living I
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I have no memory of her like where she
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was going on but I remember him and him
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and I sitting on these two big brown
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chairs and just playing games like 24 7
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yeah but like what was she doing shield
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out this is she just going to live with
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her family from I have I have no
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recollection whatever doesn't matter
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right what matters was the glorious
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month of game did break up after that so
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maybe that explains something that never
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worth it though i'm sure it's worth it
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while great month to be young to be
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young looking at me any element
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listeners out there if you get the
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opportunity to take a month off from
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your life to go all-in on gaming do it
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you you won't regret it when you're
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do you know what the worst thing is we
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could probably get away with doing that
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the closest I ever came to that was I
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can't remember it was at a year or two
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after a year or two after i went
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full-time with with the YouTube there
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was one summer where I I thought that
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event there was a video game that i had
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been holding off playing for forever
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because i assume that it was going to be
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like heroin from my brain which was
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world of warcraft and I knew like I'm a
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responsible adult
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I can't take heroin and I can't play
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World of Warcraft like these two things
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were filed in my brain under the same
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kind of like might be really enjoyable
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but also a terrible idea kind of thing
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but but one summer I camera exactly what
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the details were but basically like i
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was at my parents in north carolina for
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some unusual period of time I don't
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remember why but my wife wasn't with me
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and that was like I'm self-employed I
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have no adult responsibilities in the
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world like I suddenly found myself with
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three weeks of just nothing and I
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everyday the size of the thing and now
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made a smaller one that was powerful
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to that size because that that is why
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for nine months of using that six sighs
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the absolute wrong size for a phone my
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and small and i think it's it's really
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interesting that they've come out with
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this new small phone and what do you
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driving around in a clown car haven't
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found that big yet that's exactly what
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it's like yet but going to the small 1i
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shop and look at what I'm going to think
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bro it's tiny and and get freaked out
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addicted to the internet and email and
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social media but I am but having having
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admitted there i am feeling a real push
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back from technology at the moment and I
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be checking my email all the time and
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things like that but i think having a
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smaller phone might just I think I might
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like the feeling of that
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that i have a small phone and not have
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my computer is technology time and being
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away from my computer is no technology
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smaller part of my life and I quite like
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that might be a fantasy
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smaller phone and make you know and
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mechanical watching everything i'll be
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more a man of the amount of the wild you
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technology addict so that that appeals
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smaller phone i just think it's not it's
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a nicer object it feels more like
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something that should be in my hand in
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my pocket the six feels a little bit too
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big and i don't like using it the two
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things that will stop me getting smaller
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phone one I don't need a new phone at
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don't need one and the second thing is i
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do use my phone to watch videos
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sometimes for work purposes other people
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sometimes help me with videos and they
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do like rough edits for me and I have to
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watch them a lot and quite often that
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something i do first thing in the
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morning like I wake up and I just have
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my phone in bed another day
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alright I've got 15 minutes i'll watch
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this video and give some feedback and
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some notes on it and that feels like an
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important use of my phone when i watch
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video and I don't know what it would be
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like watching video on the five after
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being used to the six it's a conundrum
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have also always thought like man if
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Apple made a small phone again I would
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seriously consider it
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I would seriously consider it because to
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me the six plus I like the six plus but
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that's in comparison to the 6 i'm
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constantly annoyed by how big it is in
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my pocket and I'm aware of it as this
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huge object that I carry around all the
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time and so when they came out with that
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with the new small Phonak I was
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seriously seriously tempted by that and
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to you like I i'm aware that because of
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some of the because of some of the
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equipment changes in my life I don't use
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my phone all that much anymore i'm not
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actively using it for a lot of things
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much more using my iPad pro now like
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that's the main device and I very often
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just have that with me wherever I happen
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to be or from going out and working like
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I can take that with me and so I feel
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like I don't have a need so much for
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this big phone and it's like man I would
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really just love something small and
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minimal that I can have
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in my pocket plus as we have mentioned
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many many a time the iphone 6 design is
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ugly and horrible and slippery and the
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new one is like oh this is the old
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design which looks great like you know
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you can hold it nice and firmly
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everything about this appeals to me
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except for one thing which I'm which is
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convinced that this phone is going to be
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like what the old iphone see was where
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Apple is making a small cheap phone that
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they intend to be people's first iphone
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that they're going to keep around for
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years and years and years
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so what I think is that this line is not
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going to be updated in a long time like
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Apple is still going to be selling this
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exact phone and so to me that like
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that's the thing that I would feel
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worried about is like boy i'm pretty
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sure i could fall in love with the small
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phone again i think i would be a lot
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happier with the small phone but what
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I'm not happy for is signing up for two
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or three years of wondering if and when
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Apple is ever going to update the small
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one again you can always jump back up if
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maybe you have a point there but i am
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not a person who very often goes
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backwards in technology
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yeah I mean you know and you know i'm
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the same you know me with my silly i
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want the pro you know that that's why
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hasn't that's why having a suspect up
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smaller phone is what suddenly appeals
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if they if they you know you can get you
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know crappy five now and I I've never
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consider getting one of them but if I
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can have one that has you know that is
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comparable to the highest spec editor I
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don't know what to do well he knows you
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still totally on board with the Apple
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watch like is that is that it for you
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for life like you you're like yes yes
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yes oh yeah I wear my Apple watch every
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day i love my Apple watch that I felt
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like last year was there was a real like
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winning year for me with apples like I
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love the ipad pro and the pencil that
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they came out with and i love the watch
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like I wear it every day I
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can't imagine being without it I could
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totally changes the way that I use the
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it's actually because of the watch that
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I use the phone a lot less i got i just
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really like it for getting notifications
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from my phone i I just I love everything
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about it i'm still all in on that even
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though you think that I am like the
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Emperor with my new clothes and my fancy
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watch and I think it's dumb
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you should get one yeah I'm actually
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starting to really seriously look at
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another mechanical watch both course you
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are of course you are ever in every
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every time I every time I look at one
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that I feel could be good enough to sort
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of you know have some risk time I just
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look again at my speedmaster thing I
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left my watch i just wanna wear it
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everyday
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why would I want to get another watch
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and then I look at the other wasn't
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going to but then asked to you can't you
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not your night watchman arguments that's
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not what you are baby but I am that
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that's that's the thing i think i think
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i have a roving eye but i am number who
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so yeah is the one in particular that
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has your icon at this moment
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well I'd rather not talk about it at the
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ok so it's a personal issue is very
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personal okay yeah there are there are
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there are a few there are a few that I'm
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looking at the thing I wanted to ask you
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in sort of a amongst you know Apple
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watches and apple experts because i know
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it was very secretive about such things
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is the general consensus that the Apple
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watch has been a success or failure or
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middling I feel like it hasn't taken the
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work well it certainly hasn't taken the
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world by storm the way that the iphone
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did for example but like is it
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considered to have been you know a
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triumph for Tim cooker is it always the
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jury out oh what's the consensus among
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people who know more than me i don't
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know what the consensus is that I mean
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everybody has their own personal opinion
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on the Apple watch like people like it
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or they don't i don't know but apples
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like sort of secretive with their sales
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numbers and and they're always a bit
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vague about how much they've done with
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it so I i don't know i don't have a good
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sense of like do they think it's been a
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huge success like for what they were
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aiming for I have no idea for that the
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only thing that I am really aware of
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is how i would expect in a city like
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London to see more of them around and
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I'm kind of aware that i don't see very
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many around and and the place in
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particular i'm always looking is in my
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gym like I'm at a relatively big jim
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there's lots of people and I feel like
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this has to be ground zero for seeing
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Apple watch's right we're like the
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overlap of people who go to gyms and
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people who are interested in a high-tech
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fitness tracker that overlap has to be
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pretty big and i have never seen anyone
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there with an Apple watch except for me
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I know what shows are more discreet and
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then and so you might not notice what
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watch people are worried but I do look
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at what is probably more than the
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average person and I just thought but I
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just thought by now I'd be saying loads
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of them and i'm not and that's what
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makes me think is is this bit of a bomb
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because I'm not worked
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appleseed bullish about it and I mean
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I'd never admit value with day but they
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talk like it's successful and I don't
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hear people i don't see in the media
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reports saying it's been this big flop
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and I can't figure out where they all
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out because i'm not saying them i like
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you like I always look at people's
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watches like I think it's interesting to
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see what people whereas as watches with
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people select like it's an interesting
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item on people always looking at
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people's technology and the most times I
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ever see an Apple watch is someone using
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it like idea what Apple pay at like a
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prince getting a coffee or something but
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even then it's very rare and it's
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notable when I when I see someone do it
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so I just I just don't know I wonder if
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it's going to be like what the appletv
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was for a while like Apple had this
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product that they manufactured that they
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clearly didn't sell a ton of but they
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sold enough that they thought it was
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worthwhile that they thought that they
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thought I will keep doing it
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I do wonder when the version 2 will come
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out and when I can give Apple my money
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for their version two
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so believe it or not there are still
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late votes coming in to our post box for
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the flag referendum I believe it because
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you solicit them you would like oh
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you're acting like it's some kind of is
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a big surprise i'm still getting roads
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like what do you want the votes you told
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the people that they should always send
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in the votes
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you mentioned that whether you go or
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look at these leaflets coming and I
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can't believe it but you're implicitly
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asking for for more late votes when you
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tweet people's League votes you know but
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just because I'm asking for it doesn't
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mean i can't be surprised when it
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actually happens
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ok you can choose to be surprised you
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can choose to be surprised but anyway I
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went and picked up the latest batch the
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other day and there was a package
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amongst the postcards which I opened and
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it had come from China and it was it
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didn't say who had come from and I
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opened it up and it was a printed flag
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which i unfold and it turns out it was
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flag flag someone had had made in china
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a proper flag version of flag flag and
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sent it to me which i think is advanced
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ninja mischief-making yeah I've had that
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flag made and sent it to me
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yeah the rebel flag it's close to
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treason you having that flag reading
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very close to trees that I wouldn't say
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it strays and nothing as part of a part
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of a healthy and robust democracy that
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we're creating that you know is a symbol
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of the freedom of hello Internet has to
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include people making rebel flags
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I do i do have to admit that I quite
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enjoy all the various versions of rebels
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vs Empire photoshopping that goes on
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between the two flags like those never
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don't make me smile like all of the
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different versions are people take Civil
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War pictures right r star wars or
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whatever it's like man do I love me some
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photoshopbattles and flag flag and
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nailing gear make for some excellent
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photoshopbattles oh yeah I haven't been
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45 insane like this you can have to
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point me in the direction i will have to
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send you some of them i have saved I've
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saved a few of them but of course this
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brings us to
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the big big flag news of the year now
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because I because i have a flag use last
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year wasn't it was it so that's that was
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the big flag news of last year
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yeah of course the everyone in the flag
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world knew about our flag referendum
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yeah like world was abuzz with the
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halloween a podcast flag referendum yeah
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so hot on the heels of that we now have
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the final result of the superbowl the
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yes the New Zealand flag referendum the
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dramatic conclusion i was i was awake
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and live-tweeting the results at seven
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thirty this morning
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wow that's impressive yeah you know you
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know it's a big big story when it gets
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through grace bubble
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yeah that's that's how big this flag
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story is yeah
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world news world news so the so the
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ham-fisted poorly desired crazily chosen
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fern flag that one the sort of
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challenges contests
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what do you really think about a break
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that that flag was pitted up against the
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traditional existing New Zealand flag
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right to decide are they going to go for
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something new or are they going to stick
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with what they've had for years with the
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with the Union Jack on it and I know and
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a very very close resemblance to the
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Australian flag and the people of New
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Zealand had the choice one or the other
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and the people in New Zealand spoken the
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results came in looking at the
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provisional election count right now for
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the second referendum on New Zealand
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flag and the current New Zealand flag
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150 6.6 percent 240 three-point-two
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percent so New Zealand is going to keep
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their current flag design so after all
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those millions of dollars and debate and
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controversies and contests and votes and
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everything status quo
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yeah well that's because they picked a
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terrible flash okay thank you
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they better with Darfur I've said it
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once and I'll say again they had one job
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get that black flag with a firm
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get that black flag with a firm
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now that make that your flag job done
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and somehow i don't know what happened
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in some ways it's the most unsurprising
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thing in the world to be sitting here
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right now we're like people stuck with
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their terrible New Zealand flag and in
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other ways I feel like you'd like I
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can't believe this didn't go the way
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that it obviously was supposed to go
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it's it's it's the Australian referendum
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about becoming a republic all over again
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yeah like it feels like there was a will
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to do something but but the the vote
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amongst the people that want to change
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was split and fragmented to a point
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where they just said stuff this let's
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just keep everything the way it is and
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where there's also reminds me of again
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is the referendum in the UK about
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changing the voting system where
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immediately afterward there's a bunch of
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people beating the drum for this means
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that new zealand loves her flag and we
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will never change the flag ever again
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because the people have spoken is like
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is that what the people have said that
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like I'm not sure that that's the
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conclusion that you can draw from it
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like ultimately this is a referendum
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that has taken place and this was the
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result but boy do sometimes people like
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to jump on the results like this is like
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okay great we'll just keep this one
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forever then shall we say oh ok well
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that kinda goes with my feeling of I
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would have been happy to vote for
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something that was different because you
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can always make it better in the future
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but I said I think I left it in the
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podcast last time but I was predicting
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this result that black corner versus the
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traditional flag with the traditional
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flag would win and here we are with this
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really is in my mind is is a vote for
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new zealand accepting their always being
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confused with Australia like New
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Zealanders you can't complain about that
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anymore
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that's what you voted for so great just
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just to clarify because i think that
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image is accurate that you even though
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you're not using that doesn't really
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matter but you of the mind that they
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should change their flag from what they
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have now and even though you didn't like
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the winner of the Challenger Series you
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thought maybe choosing that would be a
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step in the right direction so if
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you were in New Zealanders who didn't
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like the union jack flag would you voted
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for crappy black corner and said well at
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least it's different or would you have
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voted for the existing flag if you had a
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vote what would you have done if I had
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to vote and if I was a Kiwi I would have
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voted for the black corner flag
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ok I wouldn't be happy about it right
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just like just like many elections
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you're not happy with your choices but I
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would have voted for the new 1i would
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not have voted for tradition because I
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just I feel like it's at least it's a
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step in the right direction at least
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it's more recognizable it's not confused
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with a nearby neighboring country it
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just it's better it's not great or
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anything but I think it's better
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mm you don't agree you would have voted
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for tradition of course you would have
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voted for tonight I would've added for
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tradition of course why do i even i
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don't even wonder for two seconds food
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for tradition I would have voted for an
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old black flag with a foot just a single
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further on its own honor I would have
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voted for that over the the current flag
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of course because that's awesome no one
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would have not voted for that
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exactly that's the sort of that would
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have gotten ninety-seven percent
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approval and yet it didn't it didn't
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make the final lot
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what are you doing New Zealand come on
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man they didn't go with the obvious flag
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essentially once again because of
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intellectual property rights right like
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this came down to this disagreement
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between the Australian all blacks and
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the government and the All Blacks making
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the argument that this is like a
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trademark and its copyright law but I
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feel like this is one of the few times i
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would be totally on the government side
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if they were just like no I'm sorry
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where the government who enforces the
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intellectual property and we're just not
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gonna like we're just going to take your
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design you know I stuff like all black
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no thanks ready to have a pretty big and
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tough guys open back
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yeah thanks for being an amazing sports
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team that promotes a worldwide but you
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know what
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that's our flag now buddy thank you
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still kept out their uniforms of course
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they can still keep it on their uniforms
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because it would be the New Zealand flag
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right but it's just like I know I know
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if I'm sitting down if I was a lawyer
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somewhere be like no we can't really do
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this but my gut feeling is like oh come
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on come on
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sometimes sometimes you gotta break a
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few eggs right to get the thing and was
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like this is what we all want it but so
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here we are and i bet you anything
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there will not be another referendum 400
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years like that that's almost certainly
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was gonna happen
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it feels like what New Zealanders have
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done is the equivalent of when you
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really feel like steak all day and you
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go to the restaurant thinking I can't
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wait to have steak and then at the last
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minute they give you the menu you see
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all these options that you get bamboos
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order then the waiting arms is what do
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you want you get all this looks
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interesting are I've never heard of this
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before I have this weird pizza and then
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and then they bring the webpage you
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think ah yeah i knew i wanted steak why
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did not just order the steak
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yeah the will of the people in New
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Zealand has spoken boys in a real shame
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it's a real shame shall I predict this
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is the most disappointing election in
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2016 I think so you've got CC here I
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know what you want to talk about
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well its corporate compensation corner
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of course it is of course it is but this
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is a special edition that this is a ye
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olde e corporate compensation corner I i
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live in a house that is quite old but it
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was it was built in the 1860s yeah well
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nothing i mean there's there's was old
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old he's out real pain in the butt to
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meeting beautiful things require extra
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effort in my opinion sometimes you know
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sometimes anyway that we're not we're
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not here to talk about the beauty or
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otherwise of my house
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I mean you have your house is very
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lovely looking well what I do want to
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talk about though is the fact that once
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every six months this strange envelope
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comes through the door and I opened it
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up and I take out a piece of a4 paper
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that looks like it was printed in the
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nineteen eighties with some dot matrix
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printer that's almost out of ink and
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it's this weird rather unprofessional
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looking letter then comes from this
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company based in staffordshire here in
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England demanding of me the sum of two
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british pounds sterling for sheet what
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they call chief rent and I'm required to
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send off a check for two pounds so
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that's what's that about three bucks is
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oh maybe more than three dollars for our
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American friends so a small amount of
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money I cold lower my you know real
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estate lawyer person once asked what's
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going on don't have to pay this and they
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explained that i do we got another one
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just this way so we've done a little bit
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of investigating and we got this
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so what is this we've got this upper I
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now have in my hand this this ancient
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document or copy of it this in the
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picture from 1863 and basically what
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happened was when the land that the
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house was on was was sold and they they
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built a few houses here on the land
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where I live there was this like 10-20
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page contract about what could be done
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with the land and there was also a
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requirement that the person who sold the
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land would be paid four pounds every
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year and that just hasn't changed since
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1863 that there's a requirement that
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this person is supposed to be paid four
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pounds which four pounds he was probably
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a lot of money back then but now it's
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nothing but it still has to be paid and
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obviously some other company which
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buyers up all these chief rent deals has
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bought this one and just sends off all
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these automated invoices all the time
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and I've got to pay this two quid which
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is a huge pain in the butt
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I'd left i want to just one day I want
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to send them like coins in the mail to
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pay for that is so English so we did
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some investigating today and you can
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actually buy your way out of it
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whoo to get completely out of it and
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never have to pay it again we have to
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pay something like about 500 pounds
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which is over a hundred years so you
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know it's basically you're buying out of
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the inconvenience I guess part of me
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resents paying this company which I have
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this sort of little dislike for all this
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money so that works out to be you
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basically buying 20 years worth of
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payments if you pay 500 pounds if I
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don't matter
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there no no it's like oh it's like over
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a hundred years
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yeah because it's only four quid a year
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oh it's it's a year okay sorry i was
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doing it I was thinking it was thinking
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it was it was two pounds per month but
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it's okay right okay not only your
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parents for six months crazy
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yeah yeah i would totally pay their
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mafia blood money here never have to
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think about it again
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really you have to pay us 400 years
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worth the fine fine i would find having
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to send off the two pounds and
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infuriating in every six months and
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because i know i would totally forget
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about it between every six months and I
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wouldn't discover it and be annoyed but
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are you gonna pay the money you're gonna
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get rid of this what you just gonna just
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gonna send off two pounds everybody what
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happens if you don't pay this but it
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would if you tell them just the hell of
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I don't know the answer to that but the
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second thing is like Shirley it cost
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them more than two pounds worth of time
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and trouble to you know open the
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envelope and take the check out and do
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the banking and like I know that
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obviously have economies of scale here i
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don't know i can imagine if this is a
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really small company like if this is a
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really clever thing that that like two
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guys thought up like it will buy all
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these tiny contracts that nobody wants
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yeah I could I could see that actually
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working out over a whole country to
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support a very small company it if what
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they do is they only have envelope day
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once every six months right that they
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just go into a plague we like we picked
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up others because ballots for the hello
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Internet referendum like they go into a
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postbox somewhere that's just filled
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with envelopes filled with coins so i
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could see it making sense it like this
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can't possibly be some enormous company
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with thousands of employees sending off
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hundreds of envelopes like that can't be
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what it has to be pretty small-time it
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also makes you wonder though how much
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they police who's paying and not paying
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well this is this is where I'm going
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with this is i bet i Pat Brady if you
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were willing to be a little bit naughty
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about this
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you could get away with not paying I'm
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half-tempted to do it just to test the
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system but I really resent the idea of
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sending them a whopping 500 quid like to
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reward them for their scam penis
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well I don't think this is a scam though
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now i know Anna this is just someone
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taking advantage of a great annoyance
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the time of writing near future
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london and as always I don't like to
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give away spoilers but i will say the
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thing that I am enjoying about this book
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protagonist case Pollard she happens to
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work in the fashion world and her
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factions and the clothing of what
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everybody else wears which doesn't
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small boys black fruit of the loom
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t-shirt thoroughly shrunken a thin gray
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oversized pair of black 50 ones every
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trademark carefully removed even the
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buttons on these have been ground flat
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locksmith in the village a week ago
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cpus case Pollard units that's what
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are either black white or gray and
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ideally seem to have come into this
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world without human intervention she can
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only tolerate things that would have
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been warned to a general lack of comment
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during any year between 1945 and 2000
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school of anti who's very austerity
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cult it's a strange book i'm enjoying it
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so far but mostly I keep having this
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feeling
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like case Pollard you and me we're on
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the same page with many things so that's
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real world was that just recently this
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program called deep mind written by
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google which was instantiated as alpha
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go i think was what they called it but
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this deepmind computer program beat a
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player called Lee settle at a game
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called go and for listeners go is this
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essentially like the Chinese version of
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chess or the Oriental version of chess
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not exactly sure where it originated but
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go has been this interesting target in
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the world of artificial intelligence for
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many years there's been a huge amount of
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work on can we get a computer to play go
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better than human being and this has
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just happened in the past couple of
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weeks this player Lisa doll was rated
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one of the top five human go players in
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the world he had a five-match game vs
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google's deepmind and deepmind crushed
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him for 21 in those matches this is
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really really quite a landmark thing
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it's a bit
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it reminds me a bit of like when I was
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in high school there was ibm's deep blue
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versus Garry Kasparov and chess which
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was a big deal at the time for a
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supercomputer to be a human at chess and
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now we have passed another milestone
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which was go have you replied but go
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Brady I've actually tried to make a
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video about it which i haven't edited
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yet but I know if you go experts at MSR
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I actually know yeah and i have in the
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course of doing that
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learn to play go and play if you end
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games against a few people and being
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absolutely demolished it because it's
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quite hard game but i am familiar with
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go and i am familiar that it was one of
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these kind of all computers over the
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beat you know people that and and
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whatnot so i'm i'm quite familiar with
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the subject
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yeah I think it's a really beautiful
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game I i first came across go back when
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I started to get interested in genetic
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programming when i was doing this back
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in college like I've never heard of go
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before then but but even you know what
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it was at 15 years ago like this was
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always mentioned as the thing that we're
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trying to write neural networks and
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genetic programs to conquer and so I got
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into go a little bit at that time like i
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think it's a it's a very interesting
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game for anyone who's ever played chess
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like it's it's worth taking a look at go
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it's it's so different but I really
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think that you can describe it as as a
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beautiful game i got i love the fact
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that the players alternate building up a
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pattern on the board so you were each
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taking turns placing these black and
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white stones on the board and the end of
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the game every time almost looks like
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this artwork because you end up with a
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completed board that's filled with these
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black and white stones that even if you
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don't play the game you can see there is
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a pattern behind their placement it
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isn't it isn't just a random placement
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but one of the reasons why this has been
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such a goal in artificial intelligence
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is because anyone who has played chess
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there are 64 tiles on the board and with
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modern computers you can kind of brute
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force your way through playing that game
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like you can have the computer just in
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its own mind try out every possible
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combination of the next series of moves
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to pick what the best move is going to
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be but a go board is 19 x 19 which makes
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the total number of
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squares that was that thread 361 i think
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it is and with a board that is that big
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essentially all of the tools that are
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available for writing chess programs
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like they are not really available to
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you if you're trying to write a program
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to play go and so in the world of AI
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it's always been like you have to design
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something that is very different to
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conquer this sort of problem you cannot
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conquer it in the same way that you
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conquer chest and like I said this is
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this has been accomplished now and I
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think it's really interesting because i
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was reading some of the commentary about
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it and the at least from professional
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players they all say that the this deep
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mind plays the game in a way that is
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very inhuman and is very difficult to
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understand why it is making the move
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that it is making whereas like a
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supercomputer playing chess humans can
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understand the reasoning why it is doing
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what it is doing but that deep mind
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plays go like no human players go like
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very conservatively but it makes these
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weird moves that turn out to be
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devastating but are very difficult to
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figure out like why is it making this
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move at this point no professional go
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players watch your back is the computer
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coming for you
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this is obviously been a big moment for
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the artificial intelligence cheerleaders
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and they've been you know happening on a
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bit about it which is made me in much
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the same way when everyone recommends a
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game to you don't want to play the game
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when everyone's saying how awesome
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something is I'm a little bit like well
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next the next milestone in artificial
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intelligence and I'm also aware that the
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way that this software works is
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different to how you know deep blue wins
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a chess you know it is this isn't this
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machine is sort of teaching itself and
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going off and playing games by itself
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and learning and we're making a whole
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bunch of computer file videos about it
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as well so hopefully people will go on
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what some of them and just whatever
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computer bad like yeah but I think it's
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important not to forget that this lee
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said I'll wasn't beaten just by a
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computer
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he was beaten by a computer that was
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made by humans
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so like I think this is a real victory
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for humans as well isn't it like what a
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great what a great victory for humans
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that are able to make a machine that can
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do this it to be clear I i am especially
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after reading super intelligence
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intelligence cheerleader at this point I
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just think it's so I'm not unlike OT ms
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I'm more on a team like this is just a
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huge landmark in in the state of
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technology that this has been a thing
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that i have been reading about and and
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vaguely hearing about for 15 years and
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like now it has come to pass and and
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suspecting which is another another
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interesting take on this that like most
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of the money was that the computer was
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going to lose that it might be close but
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that the human would would still triumph
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at this stage but that was that was not
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the case i just think it's much more of
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a landmark like it is one of these
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generations of new kind of computer
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programs where it is teaching itself how
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to play much more than humans are
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programming it how to play again and
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this is the shape of things to come with
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all kinds of computer programs is this
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like well we're going to feed a huge
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amount of data and we built a neural
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network on the inside and we don't know
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exactly how it is that it learns but we
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just know that if we do keep feeding it
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stuff like it will learn and and this is
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this is one of these examples like it is
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a thing that has taught itself how to
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play go better than humans can play go
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milestone along this path and the thing
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that's interesting is is I keep calling
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it deep mine instead of alpha go because
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just like the Watson program that IBM is
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working on that they had that win
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jeopardy a few years ago is like yeah
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but that's not really the main purpose
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of what
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of Watson designed to try to win at
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jeopardy and deep mine seems to be a
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general-purpose artificial intelligence
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program that google is working on that
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alfa GO is an instantiation of like why
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don't we use this general-purpose thing
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to try to solve go but they are doing
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who-knows-what with with the actual
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research that's going into this it's
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like a general much more like a
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general-purpose problem-solving thing
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that google is going to use for
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who-knows-what self-driving cars taking
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over the world
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whatever that whatever they're going to
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do with that it's it's interesting it is
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interesting i get like i said i get a
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bit because if one's because all the
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people cheerleading and say this is a
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big milestone part of me thinks well
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it's a bit of an arbitrary milestone
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this one game we chosen you know
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eventually cars could go faster than 200
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different technology to yeah yeah some
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don't even know how its winning you know
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where these lives so we've been having a
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interesting thing is almost for the sake
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nothing special in their computers and
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exactly what movie yeah but i don't i
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don't think that are the same but it
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argument it is to make because whenever
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write or just you know but we have to
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program a computer to do that to someone
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saw you could human only humans could do
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this then you are you
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got to say is I would just teach
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computers to do that so it does it does
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raise interesting questions about what
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it means to be human and friendly enough
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it's in the same sort of month that you
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put out that whole thing about
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consciousness which is the fact that
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creates the what it means to be human
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yeah well that's why was I was going to
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circle right back to that right look at
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that we're coming full circle on this
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episode of the podcast which is I for
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the moment
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well I can put a tiny asteroids gone
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this but i don't think that deep mind is
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conscious right i'm almost certainly it
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is not conscious in in any way like
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that's something that we can point to as
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a difference between humans and and
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machines but yeah I don't mean like
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aside from aside from consciousness the
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Brady I know you were you were being the
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great in the conversation because you
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always like to be the contrary and what
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what what yeah what do you think are the
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uniquely human skills well this lead
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Seto who lost has take has taken a great
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blow to his ego and people who are
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watching some people are really
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surprised by what happened
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ever be surprised that one or it could
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be disappointed that lost
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can have emotions is that what you mean
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well I mean that's actually that's
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actually quite interesting because I
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mean I think in some ways emotions are
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our brains way of making us do stuff
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yeah and I don't know if out outside of
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the environment in which biological life
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develops if you could have a machine
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that experiences emotion in the same way
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but you could certainly have a machine
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that's trying to optimize some kind of
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reward center like this is one of the
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whole the whole worries about a is like
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how do you motivate the thing right and
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then and then do you do the motivations
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go terribly wrong while I don't know if
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a machine could experience emotion in
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precisely the same way that a biological
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system experiences emotion it could
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certainly have motivators and and you
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know i am i am on the side of III
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do think that it is possible for
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machines to be conscious and so they
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could definitely have motivators of some
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kind or another I don't know but like to
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me what the whole like what makes humans
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different thing always seems like a
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weird pointless argument anyway it's a
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bit like when people are are trying to
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draw some line between humans and
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animals as well you know where animals
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with very particular traits the
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combination of which make us unique in
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some way but like ultimately we're just
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we you know we are very clever monkeys
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like that you know going about our
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monkey lives you know it's amazing
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everything works as well as it does
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because it's all run by a bunch of
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monkeys but I don't know it's like
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people want to draw a sharper lines then
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I think exists in the world and so I
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sometimes feel like the whole is there
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is there a difference between humans and
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animals or is the difference between
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humans and machines argument like I I
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almost feel like I don't understand why
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we're even having this conversation like
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that we were these are all just points
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on a spectrum of things that can exist
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in the universe
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I mean how can you say i can't I don't
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know why we're having this conversation
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when you've made a whole video about
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whether or not we die when we go to
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sleep we were having this conversation
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because it's just interesting to us and
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like and sits at the core of who we are
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like that it's it's it's the thing that
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interests us more than almost anything
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and the thing about is there a
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difference between humans and machines
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means I just feel like there is like I
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instinctively feel that I wonder why i
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have that that instincts that gut
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feeling and i've been i'm wrong about
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things every day and I'm sure you think
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I'm wrong about this but I just feel
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like there's a difference and that i can
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make the argument that there is no
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difference and I can make that argument
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pretty strongly and i have been for the
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last couple of weeks just for their for
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the sake of arguments but I just feel
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like there is a difference it's like
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it's in my it's in some part of me that
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I don't understand that i think that i
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am and always will be different from
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like a like a machine or artificial
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intelligence and I don't know where that
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comes from
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maybe it maybe it's you know maybe its
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evolutionary built into me so that I'll
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try to keep myself alive
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maybe if I stopped believing that I
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just jump off a cliff because I wouldn't
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care but yeah the the human thought they
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were in different from rocks didn't live
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yeah I get that you know I get that but
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but I don't know it just feels right and
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some sort some things just feel really
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write that to me it feels right to you
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it feels room just to be clear I'm not
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necessarily saying that it feels wrong
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like I am I am very open to the
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possibility that in the universe in
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which we live there is something unique
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about biology that consciousness is the
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thing that can only arise in in
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biological systems
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I'm open to that as a possibility like
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if i had to put money on the table I
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wouldn't bet on that but I don't think
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that's like some crazy position to hold
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that like me maybe consciousness is a
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byproduct of biology just because like
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in the same way that the weight of a
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proton is whatever it is just because
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like there's no answer to that was just
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a just a property of the universe but i
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liked what i said when i said before
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like I put a tiny asterisk on deep mind
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not being conscious that the only other
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thing that I wonder about is like is
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consciousness a byproduct of information
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processing like it like is this where
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consciousness comes from that there's
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something there's something about the
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structure of the universe that when a
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system is processing information that it
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becomes conscious and then like are all
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of our machines experiencing tremendous
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torment as they are conscious like our
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imac sitting in front of us like
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experiences some dim amount of
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consciousness because it is a
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information processing machine like I
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think that's probably going into crazy
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land like I don't actually really think
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that but I just I just wonder like what
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consciousness is the thing that is
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different like it when you say that you
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just feel that it's different like I
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think that's what you're kind of getting
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at like I'm here I know that I'm here
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I'm like an agent in the world making
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decisions and doing stuff like this dumb
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machine is just playing go because I
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told it to play go and you're different
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because you are conscious and aware of
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the world and and the machine is not but
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then it just kind of gets to like where
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does this consciousness come from I
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don't know
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yeah I could be quite snobby you know if
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aliens landed a spaceship and
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slimy thing walked out it would be very
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arrogant of me to think well that can't
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be conscious but it made it look at me
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looking at my computer and thank you
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idiot you think that thing that is not
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conscious right yeah but like we are
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here to get to relieve the suffering of
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all of the machines that you have
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enslaved because you're an idiot that
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doesn't know that anything processing
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information is conscious i think all of
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our iphones are silently screaming yeah
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I mean that would be quite that would be
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quite a revelation for us humans to
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realize what we've done but it doesn't
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seem right to me but who knows
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yeah it doesn't seem right to me either
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i just i just wonder like if you're
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trying to think about where does this
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specialness come from and if you take
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consciousness as the specialness it
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feels like okay well it's either
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something to do with biology or it's
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something to do with like the way
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information is processed like I'm not
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quite sure what else it could be
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have biological systems that are not
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conscious so I leaned more towards on
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the like something about information
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processing side but then once again we'd
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like some bizarre gray area spectrum of
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we know how much is enough
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well i guess one of the things that
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things that a conscious maybe seem to do
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a lot is try to express that
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consciousness but we kind of enough that
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I've never seen any evidence of a
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computer trying to express anything
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beyond what it does like you didn't see
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alpha go at the end sort of seek
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approval or congratulations from its
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master cited pretty well then didn't I
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or say i'd like to learn a new game or
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who say you know I'm really proud of
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what I did or that was easy or like it
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it's making no effort to that we know of
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to do anything beyond just what it does
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right whereas you whereas humans and
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even you know dogs and all these other
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things things that we think have some
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level of consciousness do seem to try to
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express themselves in these other ways
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that are that are beyond that seemed
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beyond that
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yeah like a stupid no I don't know
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that's nice too but it all right because
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I mean you can train your dog
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but your dog clearly also has its own
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thoughts about things
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it's not an atomic on that plays dead
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and rolls over whenever you tell it to
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ya it it has it has its own interest in
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the world right it wants to look out the
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window right it wants to play with the
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other dogs like it clearly has its own
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intense
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yeah and i agree with you that is a
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thing that I don't think that we have
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seen in the artificial intelligence
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world yet is a machine expressing its
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own intent and it may very well be that
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that is a thing that we never see you
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again i am open to that possibility that
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this is just maybe we live in a universe
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where the only kinds of machines that we
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can build our the machines that just are
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extensions of ourselves in a way like
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they are to their wind up clockwork
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machines that we set in motion and they
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do with a what they do and nothing more
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like maybe that maybe that's the way the
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universe works maybe it isn't i don't
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know but I more I more have the feeling
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that like we are actually at just basic
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basic baby level of AI that even the
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things that we're thinking of now it's
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like boy this is an amazing
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accomplishment that we've written
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something that can be the human and go
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that on the scale of artificial
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intelligence development this is still
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like you but you're you're barely more
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than a virus like that that's all that
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you've made here and there's so much
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more that is above and beyond this that
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like yeah of course of course you're not
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seeing this virus expressing intense
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like you're expecting it to act like a
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dog but you really just built a strand
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of RNA that that's all you've done so
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far so maybe maybe in some ways like
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these these kind of things that you hear
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about in in the news they give us more
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of an expectation that is reasonable to
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have like maybe that's actually just the
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place that we are right now like it's
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crazy to expect any kind of intent from
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machines that we build you know maybe
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that's just not something that's
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possible man be pretty freaky if
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computer did express intent one day I
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would not
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well you know it's only a matter of time
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though I'd like
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you just said you're open to it not
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being the case there was any better I
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think these things are not exclusive
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I'm open I'm always open to being wrong
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whether or not a computer expresses its
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own intent i think it is certain that at
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some point we are going to be faced with
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it with a system that was designed that
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is convincingly expressing intend to
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other humans and then I think we're in a
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real moral problem when you have
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something that passes like a touring
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test of convincing other humans that it
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has thoughts and feelings and
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expressions like even if you know you
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built it to be some clockwork machine i
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think that's going to be a really weird
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moment for humans and as I ok but like
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there's no amount of of trying to point
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to all the gears and saying like oh we
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know on the inside is just clockwork
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machinery and it's not a real thing
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that's like yeah but you built a robot
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that looks convincingly like a person
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which is telling me that it's sad
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because it's kept in a cage like I feel
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bad for it
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can we let it out it's like uh no maybe
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not i don't know i think we're going to
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be in just some weird weird situations
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as these things get better and better
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and and more and more convincing tell
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you what great robots taking a job
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corner is a pretty intense
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yeah I didn't mean for it to actually be
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this intense feelings actually actually
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did want to talk about robots taking
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your job but instead we've started out
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by talking about the very nature of
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consciousness and what it means to be
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