H.I. #61: Tesla and King Tut
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the day after our last podcast went up
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when I went into print the regular guy
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gave me the coffee's with hot stoppers
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didn't say a word
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mm and now i'm super paranoid that he
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listens to the podcast and that there
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were thumbs in my coffee i will start
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with a very small confession em at risk
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of a reading my has no status
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no I'm sure I'm sure nothing you have
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ever said on the podcast or ever will
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say could possibly road your heart is
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nail States Brady well i guess i guess i
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just want the people at their to know
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that even someone like me as human and
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has my moments of weakness share with
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the group radio my house at the moment
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has been having some work done on the
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roof and there's all this scaffolding up
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the back of the house and my house is
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very skinny but we talked so it's very
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very tall you're looking at you know
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almost five stories worth of scaffolding
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yeah it's forever walking from your
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office down to the kitchen
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I've never seen the roof of the house
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and I thought I should go out there and
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have a look while the scaffoldings there
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so the other day while the the work when
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we hear that was just finishing up my
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said can I go up and have a look like he
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was about to leave but I was basically
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saying on my own am I allowed to just
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got the scaffolding he said yeah you can
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go up but he did warn me that first
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ladder is quite tricky because it's not
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quite long enough it's quite he said he
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described as quite hairy getting off the
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first ladder onto the first level of
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kind of platform then you got to go up
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another ladder up to another platform
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and so you're climbing up the
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scaffolding outside of your house just
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from the garden up the wall that's what
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you're doing
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yeah so he left so I i thought i'm going
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to have a go i'm gonna do it
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mm and I got to the top of the first
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ladder which covers about two or three
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stories to the point where you have to
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kind of maneuver yourself off the ladder
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onto the first platform and and I
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couldn't do it i just lost me there and
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I as I SAT there and I'm thinking I was
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thinking well what would it mean Hillary
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do you know he wouldn't stop
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no he wouldn't breathing but then I
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thought if I fall off here and like I
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probably die it would just be such a
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lame story that I died following up
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scaffolding just like a girl
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look at the roof like soy chicken there
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and then like an hour later I went and
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did it again
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climb to the top and then thought what
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can I can't do it and the scaffolding
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still there now and actually from my
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office which is at the top of my hat
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house you can actually open my window
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and if you maneuver yourself cleverly I
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could potentially shimmy out of my
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window onto one of the platform's mhm
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and then see onto the roof I'm looking
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at it right now it's like it's within my
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grasp and i spent a good five minutes
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half in half out of the window today
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think he do i do it do i do it do i do I
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make this little shimmy jump and again
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at the very last minute I lost my nerve
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and I still haven't seen the roof and
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scaffolding is coming down in the next
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few days so I'm running out of time to
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be a hero
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I don't know if you're aware of this
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Brady but you know you can see your roof
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on google her here and yeah that was
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do you not the same house gang right you
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want to see it in person right yeah you
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want to like Edmund Hillary ya back into
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the top
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yeah it's a tiny flag and touch it with
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you with your own with your own gray not
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entirely flag i think you know people
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they won't like I take up under the road
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yes yeah that would be glorious
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I think you have to risk your life now
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to get to the the top of your roof to
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plant to plant the flag for all to see
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for miles around in every direction it
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would be glorious
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I don't know what's going to happen but
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it's it's this kind of my failure is
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looking me in the face constantly
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through the window the scaffolding
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saying come on we can do this everyday
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you can't do it you coward
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I'm not entirely comfortable with
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Heights
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uh-huh you might die from the heights
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that's that's why
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yeah I can see that would be that would
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be quite to be quite nerve-wracking
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however Brady and I will just say that
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it's funny that you're mentioning this
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now because quite recently I saw the
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roof of my building because I climbed
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upon it
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Wow yes
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now this is a long story that will make
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very short but falls under the category
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of a thing that you might like
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which I think of as technology bites
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gray in the ass so I had recently gone
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on this epic epic quest to get a smart
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lock for my front door so this is the
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door into my flat not the door into my
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building
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I wanted one of these things so that i
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could just you know they have like these
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proximity sensor so when your phone gets
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nearby like it just automatically
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unlocks the door for you or you can have
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temporary access codes like I decided
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that this was a thing that I wanted to
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get why you laughing why are you
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laughing do not think this is kevin how
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inconvenient a case you're gonna shave
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seconds of a month and how much time do
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you think you spent trying to find it
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already and stuff if you're just looking
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at the pure seconds of my life saved i'm
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gonna say maybe three or four full
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afternoon spent researching and trying
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to find the appropriate smartlock yeah
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that doesn't that doesn't look good when
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you say it like that we're gonna put it
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on a spreadsheet and compare just those
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two numbers very nice sometimes you just
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want a nice toy it's the mental burden
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of it you know that and I'm Way more
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likely to forget my keys and I am to
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forget my phone like the chance of me
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forgetting my phone is 0 and I have
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definitely forgotten my keys on occasion
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like it yeah but but your phone and all
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that technology is much more likely to
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stop working then k in a lock
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well this is where we're going with
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story okay yeah
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continue continue as i continue to look
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at that window at the scaffolding anyway
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it turns out the doors in the UK are
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built differently than doors just about
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everywhere else in the world so like
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smartlock companies just they're just a
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very few options in the UK so i ended up
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getting one we seem to be the only one
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that you could possibly get and I
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installed it on the door and it was
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working and I was like oh wow isn't this
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great like I'm super pleased with this
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but lo and behold something like a week
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later it just suddenly stopped working
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yeah while I was outside the door yeah I
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have a real problem now because last
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time when I had an old-fashioned lock
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and had accidentally locked myself out
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of the house
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I like you would do call the locksmith
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to get my
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self back in and that is one of those
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moments when you see how just like Oh
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your lock is it's not preventing any
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actual burglars like it takes the
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locksmith two seconds to break into your
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house but my smart lock has no lock on
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it right there is there's no there's no
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keyhole to pick it's just a face plate
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right with with numbers on it there's
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nothing nothing to open to all the
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locksmiths were like yeah you're just a
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lot but you're gonna have to breach that
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door so I'm standing outside of my
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apartment sad and thinking well this is
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my own dumb fault and as I was trying to
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think about like I'm gonna break down
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this door thinking about if i can
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actually push open the door with my own
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bare hands
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I then remembered that there was this
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terrifying scary ladder which I could
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climb that goes maybe 15 feet over this
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open stairwell in our building which
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will then give me access to the roof and
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then through the roof i could try to
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shimmy down to one of my own windows
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which I was pretty sure I had left
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unlocked and I could break into my own
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apartment that is what I ended up doing
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climbing out onto the roof of my
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building and shimmying down the roof
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toward my own window to break into my
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own flat all because of my dumb
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smartlock that i bought myself but so i
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have seen the roof of my building
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I think this makes me harder than nails
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than you you know great remember when I
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told you that story about being locked
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out of my hotel room in the mo days when
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swimming across that channel get to the
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other room and the first thing you did
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was like belittle me and tell me it was
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a nothing story and I was an hour and I
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wasn't that great then i could do that
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to you right now but I'm not going to do
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that I think you're a bloody legend for
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doing that you are the Indiana Jones of
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Los good for you i'm proud of you i will
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send you a photograph of this terrifying
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ladder that I had to climb to get to my
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to get to the roof of my building but I
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will acknowledge that this might be
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closer on the end of the spectrum to
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your story about getting into your own
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your own hotel room but I'm not gonna
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lie i felt like Batman for breaking into
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my own flat like this is amazing
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I don't the coolest person in the world
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I great I couldn't thank you
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totalitarian you've inspired me i'm
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gonna get the scaffolding tomorrow I'm
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just going to think what would cgp
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greater that's right Edmund Hillary
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Edmund who
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well you've review of really downtrodden
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me now I was I was like confiding in
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here about a deficiency and you just
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said not only are you deficient i'm also
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i've been up to some mischief
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yeah you always been up to mischief mr.
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Fisher specialty is is causing trouble
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you love wind-ups yeah you love giggling
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while you're doing these things i do I
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don't go just often just to myself
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mm I know I know yeah so among among
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this week's wide apps have been the
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release of our black stump t-shirt might
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even I like mighty was an hour they're
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our black stump t-shirt there there
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there is there is a mighty black stripe
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t-shirt now available in the in the ilka
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very official rice rat and small pen
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t-shirts but because i didn't get your
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approval for this one in any way
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whatsoever i have even put on the
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t-shirt that it's an official say so
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until further notice that the mighty
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black stamp the grand for center and
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Adelaide is the an official tall
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building of hello internet and you can
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get a t-shirt saying so as well now I
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we all know which building is the actual
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been other tall buildings the shard
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feels the tallest even though i know it
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haven't been the top a willing to pay
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the Burj Khalifa that's about but I'm
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not traveling that far east anymore i
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think the shard now we'll talk about the
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shot another day we can argue about
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skyscrapers but we won't be hard
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thinking about is whether or not the
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tiny black stump is kinda scary but I
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was wrong about something because on our
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on our YouTube channel where we
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me we were arguing about in a listener
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photo that someone had sent in whether
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background and I I will concede some
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people were doing some like CSI in
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aligning of photographs a later later
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after that thing went live and when you
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we put some images side-by-side I will
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concede that would you claim those four
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black pixels that you said where the the
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mighty black stump I was wrong you were
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right it was barely visible on the
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horizon right so like I will totally
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granted
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however what I would really like to see
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is will somebody please take the image
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that Brady has chosen for
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his t-shirt of the mighty black stump
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and put it next to an actual image of
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the mighty black stump because the
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actual skyscraper is a it's a stump
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right that's why we call it that way
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right it is it is barely not a cube
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meanwhile Brady the way you have drawn
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it on this t-shirt it is it is a huge
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building feeling because this is what
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that this is what the black stump dreams
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that it is but it is not that I think
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yeah that's what that's like a look at
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this dirt like nothing about this shirt
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is accurate at all humans what is what
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the black step was to me as a as a boy
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like it's like oh why did I see it's got
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a Wikipedia page now thank you
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hello internet people who really created
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this page is it really but it's a it's a
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hundred and three meters
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Wow 26 floors and just search on
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wikipedia for mighty black sample not
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pulling up anything is it under a
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different name its underground folks
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center now it's not as if that is fun
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but it's got alternative names the black
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stop mighty black stump is a great and
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there was never a mighty in the name of
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the Blackstone okay it does have a
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Wikipedia page i think that you know
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someone on wikipedia should make mighty
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black stump redirected grandville center
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you know no one will notice you can
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totally slipped that in Wikipedia
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editors but it is it is also skyscraper
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page dot com
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mm so take a look at this t-shirt people
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and you decide whether or not there's
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any reality represented on this show I
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don't think you've done a good job
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selling it so i think i will have to do
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with their rather flat sales but that's
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I've ordered what we all know that's
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precisely the reason this shirt came
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into existing really wanted a mighty
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black stump t-shirt and Brady will now
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have a mighty belt Blackstone t-shirt I
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tell you are any Tim's to get a mighty
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black striped asia and take a photograph
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of themselves wearing it in front of
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other skyscrapers are in for some hello
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Internet love i can tell you that right
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so are they are they and for hello
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Internet love will at least from one
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half of Hollywood to Italy with
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yeah i think the other half my ignore
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them completely it
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I don't know what I don't know what
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you're talking about
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along with buddy black step another
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thing which she gave me a hard time
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about you you're worried about nothing
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you did well one of the one of my one of
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my personality quirks that you have
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pointed out is my pen chart for pointing
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in photos pointing at the thing like
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that thing next to me or the thing
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behind me so I took a photograph the
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other day I was in the National Portrait
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Gallery which by the way how good is
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that place I've never been there before
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have you been to the national portrait
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gallery yeah it's been it's been awhile
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since i've been there but I i used to go
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there much more frequently and yeah it's
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a pretty cool building
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yeah what's up I just love the portraits
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i could spend hours in there disagree
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please this is a few great places in
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there to work which i used to work a
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long time ago but it's like a little
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cafe area up on the second floor it's
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it's a really interesting building i
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think it's laid out well liked it and
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and I guess there's portraits in there
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as well I love to i loved I loved all
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the portraits and one of them was of a
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general Montgomery and in his painting
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he's pointing at a map behind himself
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and so I took a picture of me in front
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of their pointing at the picture of
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Montgomery pointing hmm i actually took
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it for you and but then I also put on
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Twitter or Instagram or whatever the
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social media of the day was someone else
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sort of appreciated the métis of this
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so they took a picture of themselves
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pointing at the picture of me pointing
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at montgomery and then and then someone
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saw that took a picture of himself
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pointing at this guy pointing it there
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now and I think at last count we're sort
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2221 levels deep of inception where
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everyone's taking a picture of the
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picture before with himself pointing at
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it so it's a it started off was a fun
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picture for your great but it's turned
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into one of these lovely little internet
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thing so I think
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Thank You Tim's for he bring me this is
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an absolutely delightful internet thing
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it's like that we have taken what is a
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ism and turned it into a chain of people
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this on Twitter and I like the
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variations that some people have done on
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the theme i guess i saw one person who
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had the picture up on their Apple watch
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and so then is them pointing at the
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picture on their Apple watch like people
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always do incredibly clever things with
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this and I saw that you are trying to
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track this on on your website like you
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put a list of of a whole bunch of the
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ones that you could find like you were
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trying to track the longest chain
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yeah but this this to me seems like a
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super fun
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Tim community thing and also like this
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is the kind of thing where the chain has
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obviously broken off like it very
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quickly ends up branching because people
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are working in parallel to each other
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like I almost always want to see like
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someone map it out like Wikipedia style
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of a link from from each picture to each
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well I have super enjoyed this and I
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feel like this is the thing that
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everybody can get it on taking a picture
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of themselves with the picture that is
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the chain heading before them like what
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is the longest chain of Tim's that we
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can build I I see no reason that we
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can't get a thing that's a thousand
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teams long there's the reason that we
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can't imagine that canopy track the
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completionist my head's gonna want to
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track that on my blog though and I cut I
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can't devote more time to it
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well you know that's your problem that's
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not my problem
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I want a chain a thousand team's strong
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that's around looking for
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it's totally doable right leg is
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everyone can get in on this
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it sounds like a like a Bible verse or
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something doesn't have a chain a
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thousand team strong like yeah it can
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never be broken
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a change Thousand tubes drug can never
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be broken so sayeth cgpgrey exactly i
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like it i like i love i love this
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internet stuff i love the people thing
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to do it i love the people then had take
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is this to me is just such a pure
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example of Internet delight like the
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internet is always so fun
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whether it's like screwing with
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Wikipedia or making chains of 10
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sounds like there's always something
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photoshopbattles I just love this kind
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of stuff so the problem is though it
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escalate so much and everyone wants to
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be the person who does the thing that's
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different to everyone else so like like
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so for example one person pointing to
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the picture and their Apple watch
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that's quite cool because it's like a
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different one in the chain but that's
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only call if everyone else has done it
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pretty normal but if every single person
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it's suddenly like I don't know it Lou
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the exceptional losses specialist and it
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just becomes a great big mess of course
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of course be a gigantic matter what can
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you expect it's going to end in a nice
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orderly tiny fashion of course not right
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Tesla ever since they did that big
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battery announcement which I know it was
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that two years ago that was really the
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first time it came across my radar that
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they were pushing into this this
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industry of making batteries and things
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funny situation I like filled with the
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desire to own a Tesla even though i have
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no use for one in my life whatsoever i
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normally never feel this way about
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things like wanting a thing that could
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serve absolutely no function in my life
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but I could I would totally love to buy
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a Tesla and just like have it in front
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of my house and I would just look at it
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like wow look at this Tesla that I own
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but I can't drive because I didn't have
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a driver's license in the UK and even if
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I did I would have nowhere to drive to
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because everywhere I need to go i can
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walk to you but still look at this
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amazing Tesla in front of my house it's
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mine and i own it admit it totally what
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i would do you have a gorgeous car
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that's not a car to go with your watch
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that's not a watch
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yeah exactly exactly it is just so funny
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to be aware of that feeling within
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myself wait think it through man you
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have no use for this is like yeah but I
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totally want one
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I get that I get that I imagine you do
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get that because because you have lots
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of things you must feel this way about
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all the things in your life what about
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how do you feel about the model 3 verses
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that the other ones that are the pro
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versions that are out there are only the
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pro version i don't know i don't know if
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they're the pro versions i feel that the
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model 3 is not as good
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I feel like I feel like the model 3 is
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likely that the 5c of the range who
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those are fighting words they are no I
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could be wrong but I mean I'm happy to
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be told i'm wrong but it just it just
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feels like it's the that you know them
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the one for everyone did you did you
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watch the actual announcement or have
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you just heard about it now I've just
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heard about really no excuse Kim read a
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couple of articles i have to say the
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thing that I think is the absolute
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coolest and greatest about the model 3
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is when they did the announcement right
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and they showed off the model 3 at the
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at the very end of it the thing that's
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really caught my eye was the dashboard
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of this car just like there's no car in
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the car
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there's basically no dash
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bored in this car like there is nothing
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like a traditional dashboard on the
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front it's just flat and there are only
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two things in there there's the steering
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wheel and there's this gigantic
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touchscreen but there's none of like the
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knobs and dials and vents and like all
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of just the crap that's always at the
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front of a car that caught my eye right
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away and I was like I have never seen a
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more beautiful car interior than this
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one like this is amazing
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bro you're not going to be surprised to
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hear i disagree with your little bit
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because you possibly disagree
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doesn't that look amazing I'm looking at
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it and it looks like it doesn't look bad
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but the problem is i really like car
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dashboards I'll tell your story right
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you know okay you know i like you know I
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like to express myself three stories
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okay okay everybody time to take the
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seat times that getup gather gather
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around Papa Brady again while he tells
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your story this time about a car
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dashboard ok when i was a wee lad my my
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neighbor and I used to get a lift to
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school every day with our friend a
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friend's dad and her friends dad was
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well often had a really posh car and he
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had a car which at the time we called a
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holden holden thing like a make a car
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like afford ok a holden calais em in
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later years I learned that CA el paÃs
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is actually pronounced Calais and has a
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place in France so he actually had a
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hole in Calais and I wasn't I wasn't
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porsche enough to know what that meant
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and no other was my friend so we used to
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say Oh a friend's got a hold and callous
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and we call it that for years
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it's something I've never seen before
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and that was an electronic dashboard no
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doubt not dials actual digital numbers
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that show the exact speed you know 32
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km/h and I was transfixed by this and I
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would stared and even the fuel gauges
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electronic with let you know little blue
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bars that showed how much fuel you had
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and this was other than Knight Rider
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this was the first time I'd seen a
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dashboard that could do this and not
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right that not right that was pretty
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important to me so from that point on I
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became obsessed with car dashboards
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and I used to get notebooks and design
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the dashboard of my dream car like with
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up with pen and light and are even
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remember I invented a car called the
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zetter on that had this amazing the
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electronic dashboard that I'd that I
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spent hours and hours drawing and then I
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realized like I should probably designed
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the rest of the car as well after I
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spent like five days on the dashboard
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and I was really bad at drawing it
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didn't understand how cars work so I
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just like drew the side of a coward said
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the engine goes here right there are but
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i would spend forever on on dashboard so
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that car dashboards are very special to
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me and I really like them but like you
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know like a mechanical watch so making a
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car that doesn't have a dashboard be it
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be at old fashioned Isles which I've
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probably got more into now because of my
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sensibilities or even a little
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electronic ones like Knight Rider
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it feels a bit said to me to think that
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you can have a car with no dashboard
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I'm sorry your old ways are dying but
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this new dashboard is so sexy like how
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can you be sad about this it's nice that
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they didn't finish it's like I will put
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the dashboard later at the moment but we
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haven't done that yet but for now we'll
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just have yeah I guess no this is the
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thing it's beautiful it's beautiful like
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that Dad don't want to do you want to be
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a bit James Dean or something and have
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you know that's probably a bad analogy
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saying he died in a car crash but yeah
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great grace is that today why don't you
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make sure we're gonna play don't you
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want to be Jefferson Airplane like no
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you don't want to be a bit ritchie
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valens yeah alright it will say will say
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I i do like tears i've been in one and i
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think it was cool when I do like their
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i'm still so envious of the fact that
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you've been in 1i have yet to actually
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well Tesla well will saw that sort that
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out sometime
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yeah I really like one of these days I'm
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gonna take a ride in a Tesla I am I'm
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just dying for that day I have a little
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theory that I want to put on the table
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about this model three though which is
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so as we are recording and you know it
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was just announced whatever was last
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week the week before and is not going to
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be available until next year right which
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which means it's probably not going to
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be in people's hands for like 18 months
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at least
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and so just like with the previous Tesla
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Model ass about that was sold to people
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and then later in its life cycle through
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a software update Tesla introduced what
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they're calling the autopilot features
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and autopilot is tesla's semi autonomous
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driving system so it's the thing that
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allows the car to park itself it's a
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bunch of auto breaking stuff and I think
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most interestingly it is the again they
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call it like cruise control i think for
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legal reasons but it is the self driving
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on the highway thing where the Tesla
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will stay in its own lane and it'll be
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able to drive on the highway i'm willing
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to bet money that this model 3 is
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designed to be a fully autonomous car
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and that that will come in a future
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software update from Tesla like i just i
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would bet almost anything that that's
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the case it like just like with the
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model s where they over engineered it so
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they could introduce more features later
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i'm willing to bet almost anything that
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this model 3 is designed to be like a
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fully fully point-to-point autonomous
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car and that like they will they will
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introduce that in a later software
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update like once it is in people's hands
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I'm i would be shocked if that's not the
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case so i think we might actually be
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looking at the first consumer available
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complete point-to-point self-driving car
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in the model 3 that's but it's just a
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guess it's just a guess but I'm putting
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it out there
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cards on the table cry if you put oppose
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the death i dont have space right that
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you have you have no i haven't put that
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now I haven't put down a deposit but i
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have no parking space
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ok but yet you're not going to get one
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for two years anyway I think you have I
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have no I i have not put down a deposit
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on this one I'm not put down deposit on
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I i like is to go what would i do i will
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i get i have no parking space to put it
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you already told us what you did park in
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the street and admired that I don't have
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a parking spaces out there
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no parking space if it's sort that out
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in the next two years
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yeah i guess maybe I problem i probably
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will move the next two years so i'll be
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sure i'll be sure to be looking for a
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parking space for my debts Allah as part
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of part of my next apartment move for my
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test that will never go anywhere you can
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pack it in my place and come up here for
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weekend I'm not leaving my test laid
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your house that's for sure you can kind
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of gonna leave my precious test let your
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house no way buddy you you put a little
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doggie basket on the inside you have
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Audrey Lulu sleeping in there that's
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what happened to my poor Tesla in a very
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typical greater Brady shift in news
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stories we should move from the
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announcement of a new self-driving car
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maybe by elon musk to the news that has
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been catching my eye on the last couple
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of weeks and this is to do with a new
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discovery in the tomb of King
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Tutankhamen haha oh my god wow you think
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there's a new king tut news
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how can there be how can okay how can
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there be discoveries of things in his
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tomb was this tomb open like a hundred
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years ago
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well let's let's let's start this is a
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tomb of a guy from what 5,000 years ago
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2,000 years ago I don't even have any
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idea is to most discovered in 1922 so
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you're getting to the hundred years
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yeah so what as a boy cry of course is
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that all the Brady stories start right
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okay i'm asking about years a boy you as
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a boy were you captured by the spell of
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Egypt like i was i was under the spell
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of stargate as a boy about as close to
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being super interested in Egypt as I
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ever got really you didn't you didn't go
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through a phase where you're really into
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like mummies and pyramids and what sort
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of stuff
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no bunch of dead people wrapped in rags
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now you know what I want I want wormhole
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technology that's why that's why
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Stargate with my thing like oh yeah if
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we have to have Egyptian culture to get
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it you know whatever that's a small
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price to pay
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I was not ever into Egyptology as a kid
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you know other than like the most minor
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of passing like interest like Oh
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hieroglyphics kind
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well and I really like lots of kids are
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into it's not like a silly question that
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we've been to dinosaurs a boy like you
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know things like that
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is there a human alive wasn't into
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dinosaurs are awesome
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yeah well they're just like fleshy dead
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animals that don't exist anymore
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how can you justify dinosaurs and then
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yes I monies and pyramids and co because
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dinosaurs like fun monsters Egypt's
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ancient Egypt it's just like ancient
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anywhere else you know it's like a thing
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we did it as humans a while ago it
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didn't last
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I can't agree with you on that i think i
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think just because this age of stuff is
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survived but they're pretty awesome
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culture time anyway I was going to say
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about do you think it is like that's an
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interesting connection to Guns Germs and
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Steel because I think Egypt is an
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interesting culture of like why did the
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Egyptians take over it seemed like they
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were doing quite well but we'll just put
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that to the side of the starters
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mentioned it and then we'll just reckon
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amoooor yahoo right along they had
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domesticated horses quite a long time
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ago I wonder why LOL we gotta go we
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gotta go
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you're arguing the other argument there
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is so for those of you who don't know
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let me quickly run you through the
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entire history of Egypt now for that
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for those of you who don't know anybody
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i'm assuming you have not been to Egypt
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and gray now I'm gonna round trip to
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Egypt is an awesome place to go
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probably not at the moment they've had
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their nose bloodied a little bit lately
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by fewer incidents which hitting a
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tourist trade quite had which also makes
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this story even more interesting but one
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of the coolest things you can see but
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before you continue with the story like
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are the incidences remotely relevant
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because of course as always I have no
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idea what you're talking about
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well there's been some terrorism things
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there's it was a a plane was shot down
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like a plane crash corner in there for
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your Russian passenger plane think so
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never yeah it's become it's become a bit
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of a planned a lot of flights to certain
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areas now been bad by certain countries
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so they're having a tough time
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mhm but they've got some cool stuff and
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one of the coolest places you can go is
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near Luxor which used to be thieves used
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to be that I've been to the luxor
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yes well yes near the top of the city of
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Luxor is it is a place called the valley
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of the kings which for a long time is
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where all of the pharaohs were buried it
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is it's this valley in the middle of
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nowhere it's really hard to get to and
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if you ever want to kill a bunch of time
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on the internet by looking at cool
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websites and wikipedia and reading about
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something
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the Valley of the Kings is brilliant
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because the Valley of the Kings is an
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amazing place a lot of people get
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excited by the pyramids but i think the
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Valley of the Kings is way more
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interesting and like I wouldn't saw the
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pyramids and I were our amazing but I
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was ten times more excited about the
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Valley of the Kings got all these really
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really elaborate terms these tunnels
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with many many chambers are all
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decorated and they were the burial sites
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for all these Pharaoh's and now all
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empty they were there all looted and all
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the stuff was stolen from them or their
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with that later disassembled when the
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Valley of the Kings was kind of shut
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down can you go in them now like when
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you can you can you can go in them and
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in fact it was brilliant when I went
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while I was really lucky I but there
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really early in the morning when it was
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surprisingly empty and they give you a
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ticket and I think you can go in like
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three or four of your choice with the
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ticket I had you choose one wants to go
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into that does sound pretty cool i have
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to admit that does sound pretty cool it
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is it is an amazing amazing place but
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the famous famous story of course is
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there in 1922 this Egyptologist called
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Howard Carter found a tomb that no one
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who knew was there because it was buried
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under rubble and it was really small and
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when they uncovered that the door the
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seal was still on and it was pretty much
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untouched still had all the stuff in it
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that was amazing and it really is what
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really brought Egyptology back into the
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public consciousness and they found this
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tomb of Tutankhamun a fair you know
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they've got his mommy and the famous
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mask and all the gold and all the
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treasures that were in there really
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famous story and you can go into that
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time and i went into and it was Ennis
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and the end of and the reason it's
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different from all the others which
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turns out to be quite important is that
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it's very very small it's just two rooms
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you can stand in basically and then to
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really really small the storage rooms
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off to the side of them so famous time
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tourist attraction
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world-famous treasures that have all
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over the world most of them are in Cairo
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although the mummy of tutankhamun
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himself is still in his time it's one of
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the few things that still in there out
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of respect for for him I guess
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well that's the state of play ok now the
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reason his terms very very small has
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always been quite well understood and
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that is he died very young he was like
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19 years old when he died and most fairy
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spent all their life building their
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tombs that's why they're all these
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elaborate tunnels and things in the
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Valley of the Kings that's what the
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pyramids are basically tombs that the
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Pharaoh spent all his life building for
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the day he died that because Tutankhamun
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died suddenly and young he had built
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these to him right so the belief has
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always been a used another term that was
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already there first probably for some
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lesser person you can read about the
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theories about how these people were
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losing like with janitor's closet for
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somebody else's to work i'll wear a
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we got various somewhere a bit more
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important than that anyway so it was
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quick and hasty and that's why his
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team's different toward the others and
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it's also because he was a quite
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insignificant king with his little time
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that's why I kind of got lost and
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forgotten and amazingly why you kept all
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the treasures
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so the news that has recently come out
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is this british egyptologist has been
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studying one of the walls which has all
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these nice paintings on it and he
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thought he saw the outline of a door
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there which somehow everyone seems to
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mist for the last nearly hundred years
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and there's now this theory that there
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were these that they refer the rooms and
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what these rooms are on our unknown
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could it be that there that this was a
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bigger term then they blocked off the
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second part of the term and then you
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know did Tutankhamun's little area and
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there's a whole other block bricked off
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to him deeper in or are these just other
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rooms with treasures in them or are
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these just boring rooms that were used
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by the embalmers no one knows and
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they're going in there with radars and
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the theory which are that was an
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absolute crackpot theory a couple of
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months ago and i even said to my wife
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have a breakfast I bet you anything that
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this is not true it seems to be
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gathering more and more momentum that
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there is more
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rooms beyond these walls in
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Tutankhamun's tomb
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now this raises interesting questions as
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well because if there are rooms there
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what do you do do you smash this amazing
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war with paintings on it that's
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world-famous in Tutankhamun's tomb to
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see what's behind do you risk damaging
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the risk damaging this most famous tomb
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in all the world to see what's behind
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and you know and they haven't got the
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best reputation in the world an agent
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for looking after their nice old stuff
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sometimes the Cairo Museum is
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unbelievable
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I can't believe how it's the seemingly
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visual they care for some amazing things
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in there and there's a famous story
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about Tutankhamun's mask itself that
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just came out the last couple of months
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where some work and knocked his chin off
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and then stuck it back on the superglue
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so they're not the sort of people that I
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would want banging around what was
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inside Tutankhamun's tomb so the two
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things i'm wondering here what do they
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and secondly how have they mr. for so
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this is like one of the most famous
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places in all the world even graze heard
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of tutankhamun's tomb shortly
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yeah yeah and and there's some doorway
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well bricked over doorway to a secret
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room that some guy just studying
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pictures has found if Indiana Jones and
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lora craft has anything it's that
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somewhere in that room is a switch to
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open that door
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they just need to look yeah pull forward
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the sarcophagi a little bit need to any
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depress on the cat's-eyes somewhere
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this is somewhere even though it's a
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thousand years old it is some clockwork
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that'll just have that door just
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recessed into the wall and slide over
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oh yeah how awesome is that going to be
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going to be like a scooby-doo episode
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it's just like some curtain that people
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can run through i'm with you on this one
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like that this seems astounding that
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anyone could miss it so astounding that
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I have a hard time believing its true
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like do you have a picture of this
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warlike is I i'm in my mind i am
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basically imagining like a brick wall on
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which you can see the thin outline of a
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door and people like oh no one ever
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noticed that
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q okay that's a good question i'm yet to
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see the picture that shows this door
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outline let me have a look there is
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skepticism about this it could all be it
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could you know what I love and I love
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how Google knows google always knows
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what you're looking for because i start
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typing in King Tut and it goes King
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tattoo secret door
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that's correct google you know exactly
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what i'm looking for at say the big the
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queen Nefertiti's tomb behind
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Tutankhamun's tomb and obviously she's
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great beauty wasn't she say sure I'll
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take your word for that there's this
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like a statue of her that's kept in
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pieces of each Egyptian relics i'm
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where the door is
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yeah and there's this there is not what
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door that people don't notice in this
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tank no it's not I mean clearly been
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his that psycho focused and I stood
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right there and and you missed it and i
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have built that all that stuff could
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have been on the other side of that wall
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discovery of tutankhamun's tomb it's
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such an exciting story and there's such
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amazing pictures from the time that it's
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one of those stories from history that
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sends chills down my spine about what it
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must have been like two of shine Shauna
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torch through those first holes that
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they were banging in the wall and say
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he famously saw this glinting of gold
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anything and he said yes wonderous
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things and then they all the stuff they
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pulled out of that I mean it was it must
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have been like you know this amazing
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Christmas the stuff they found in there
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and to think that could happen again in
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our lifetime genuinely excites me and
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will be such as it was such a boost for
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agent to after recent years i have to
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admit as much as I booty Egypt before
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i'm sitting here thinking could I
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imagine a better place for someone to
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find a secret door than an Egyptian tomb
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want to hear the news
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secret door then on Egyptian to write
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that that's just it just worked
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perfectly
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yeah and the idea that this amazing that
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you know I'm sort of getting ahead of
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myself here but the idea that this
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amazing cache of treasures and tomb of
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Nefertiti could be the other side of
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could be you know a few feet the other
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side of a wall that probably millions of
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terrorists have been filing past for the
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exciting thought so that i get excited
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I'm excited thinking about it it makes
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me want to go back to Egypt yeah you
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know you travel there soon and it is on
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weekend has been talked about for the
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last couple years
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Kuala yeah it's gonna be part of the
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year of fun i don't think it's gonna
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make it into the air fact that i was
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to see gray you gotta hold a whole world
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of fun waiting for you in the year of
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fun if even a brand new Egyptian tomb
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can't make it on the list but if they
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find you two might go
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I think you I think you wouldn't mind
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going to Egypt there I i would need a
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good reason to go is there any always
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done we have to be dogging about your
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exciting and different things like that
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I'll see you don't know the national
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other ones funding it now finding all
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the Raiders there yeah there you go
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perfect
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don't know you don't know what it feels
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like to be in there only get eighty
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percent of the benefit for one percent
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of the hassle
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you do get some of the benefit and i'm
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when I was standing at button but let me
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put it this way Brady even if even if
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let's say I get twenty percent of the
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benefit for one percent of the effort
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still seems pretty good yeah but that
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final ten percent is the best bit
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it's like it's like you're climbing like
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ninety-nine percent of the way man
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don't go all the way I don't know
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shows a little bit of interest and we'll
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handle so much because she doesn't like
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she doesn't like cricket right and i
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would love to talk all about the world
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t20 cricket world cup that has just
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finished god it was good i was a cricket
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gray then I had the most extraordinary
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ending to any sport thing I've saying it
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everything about it and reading all the
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fallout and then like I talk to someone
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anyone other than my wife and like what
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can i say to you did your team of
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cricketers win now they didn't even make
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it to the final australia and basically
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the strictest radians got knocked out
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quite early but there were so many games
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that all had so many amazing endings and
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like every game was quite thrilling and
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this form of cricketing
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just called twenty20 cricket is
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different to the normal cricket i like i
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crash bang wallop their more their more
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jazzed up cricket that tried to make it
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frowning upon this for a number of years
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now but this tournament turned me around
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was England against the west indies some
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there's one t1 if there's one thing in
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stitched up
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it was it was the far all over of the
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game and the West Indies data this
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impossible improbable number of runs to
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win it so it was all over and i'm sure
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all the English people were planning
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their speeches and what dance that we're
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going to do at the end when they want
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and I was already thinking about what an
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appropriate tweet would be for me to
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sort of congratulate England although i
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was seething inside that won this game
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and the guy that was sort of finishing
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the game at the end of the English
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guidance bowler who just had to finish
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the game often and take them to victory
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is this quite polarizing character is
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quite arrogant he's a new kind of bad
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boy here of english cricketer and he'd
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been talking all week about how he loves
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winning the game for England at the end
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and being this guy that comes along with
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the death of the game as they call it
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like a closer in baseball he loves
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coming out here like baseball closer
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yeah like a baseball closer look and so
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he was he was closing the game it was
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his job to close the game right and then
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the most extraordinary thing happened
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with this young West Indian who I'd
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never heard of before I don't even I
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think he's a teenager he did the
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equivalent of hitting a major league
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pitcher four home runs in four
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consecutive pictures he smashed this guy
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for four sixes in a row at the end of
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four sixes while yet a smashed him over
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the fence out of the ground four times
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in a row and single-handedly like won
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the game for the West Indies it was it
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was it was this remarkable finish and I
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was like I've never seen anything like
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it and I was just alone in a hotel room
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and then like but then five minutes
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later my wife did come back to the hotel
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room and I was like you're not going to
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believe what just happened
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it was the most amazing thing and I was
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trying to explain it and I was getting
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probably a similar response to what I'm
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getting from you but she kind of humid
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me and watch the replays as they showed
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over and over again
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mhm and then i just sat on my phone for
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hours just reading every single thing I
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could about and all the responses and
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then all the speeches afterwards got all
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controversial and everything that was
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all it was it was so much you're so much
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fun but the thing that I thought was
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very interesting was the scale of public
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failure that this bowl of this chap
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called Ben Stokes went through
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don't get me wrong he's a pretty good
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cricketer so this is the picture here
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he's called a bottle of he's like the
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picture okay he's the guy who just had
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to keep his cool not do anything stupid
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and win the game and then this other
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this other this other guy came and did
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something exceptional and and won the
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game for his team instead and this guy
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was just on his neighs on the field in
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tears and you know his friends were
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trying to console him a little and was
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literally crying on the field yeah only
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teared up you see the pictures if you
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use google search Ben Stokes I bet
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you're the first three pictures now him
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looking all teary this is going to
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follow him for the rest of his life the
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most extraordinary extraordin real shame
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yeah whatever what I remember you as the
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big cry-baby
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ya like like that and the next day like
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the headline on the back of one of the
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big British newspapers was Ben chokes
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you know it was like it was so he was
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getting everyone's kind of rallied
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around him now and like said you know
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it's a team game the team got into this
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position and you can't blame one person
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for a failure in a team sport and that
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is true and you know I agree with all
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those platitudes that people are rolling
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out but the thing is these death bowels
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these guys that come on at the end and
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make or break game like a closer in
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baseball which you seem to know what
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that is
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which mildly surprised me i don't know
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what i was humoring you breathe are you
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don't know what it claims you all right
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what do ya thing is these these people
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are allowed for their bravery references
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are so brave that he does this for the
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team but the only reason that you are
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described as brave is because if you
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fail you fail in front of a billion
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people and get humiliated like it's not
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brave if that if that's not the
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consequences
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so when when this does happen and then
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everyone piles in arguments is already
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choking you mapped up you should have
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done this you should have done that you
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lost the game for England like I think
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that has to happen i think that's I
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think that is to be expected and that's
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why he was brave because if he filed he
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was going to get this and all these
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people saying don't pick on don't pick
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on Ben Stokes you know he was brave to
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even bowel and you know what no one else
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was coming forward to do it so he's that
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he's braver even trying
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yeah he was brave but he's only break
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because this is what happens if everyone
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just said our daughter i might pat him
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on the back and said well maybe you know
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maybe next year then you're not brave as
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you're having this conversation but i'm
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thinking like how this is starting to
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fall into the world of like humble like
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we went to the word brave even mean it
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has so i just pulled up here and his
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brave adjective ready to face and endure
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danger or pain and I ok alright that
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works because if everybody gets together
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and agrees that we're all going to be
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nice to the final cricket ear who's
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pitching the last inning of the game
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yeah if we're all going to be nice to
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that guy then well it's not bring it all
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to be that guy right that's just we're
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living in a nice happy world without any
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consequences where you know everybody's
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just fine with everything you can only
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be brave if everybody's going to hate
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you for falling down in the last quarter
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of the game then then you can be brave
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Thank You great for humoring me and
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great with me
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did they pay the death cricket ears more
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money like as you get more money for
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this risk
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I don't like what I don't have sport
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quite works exactly that way but it
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you'll be doing i like it should
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it seems i don't see but it seems like a
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totally should he will be doing ok I
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don't think he'll need to start patreon
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anytime site that's that's not about
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it's not about its about his
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his relative risk and reward compared to
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the rest of his team
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yeah well he is one of the stoplights of
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the type so I'm sure he has been a pain
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cricketers different rates is it like
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yeah yeah and yeah yeah of course dr.
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oscar winner yes of course you do say
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cricketers just to want me update you do
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know that's not the word I'm sure that's
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a windup don't know what's the word
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that's a cricketer now I like cricket or
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yeah I like cricket you're much better
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one of these days we're going to sit
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down with a few beers and watch your day
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of Test cricket and i'm going to talk
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you through all the nuances of that we
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will we will that has legitimately that
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has legitimately been on our to-do list
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for quite some time so here's my
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question for you though
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do you want to watch you die of test
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cricket which is the one where they all
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wear white and the game last five days
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and it's all very slow and technical or
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do you want to watch the crash bang
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wallop of twenty20 where they wear color
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and smash the ball over the fence all
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the time
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wait you they don't wear color in the
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other one is that one of the key
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distinguishing features
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yeah in in Test cricket both teams just
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wear or what huh
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and quite often the same color hats as
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well doux-doux both teams wear all white
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yes how do you tell them apart won tames
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the batting team and won tames the
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bowling tape so they're not both on the
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field at the same time running around
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well someone's running around someone
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runs back of our whatever i don't
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understand how he fits in reply feel
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like it might be in my mind like I was
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just it's baseball but somehow different
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and slow and I don't understand
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precisely what's going on
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you have much to learn you have much to
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their i know i feel i feel like you're a
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young apprentice about to be taken under
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my wing and sold in the ways of cricket
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if i'm going to actually go with you to
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a game of cricket it feels like we might
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as well do the long cricket game but
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with the asterisk of I make no promises
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about lasting more than one day
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recognize that fairy left but apparently
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I'm a little bit proud that you chose
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that one
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i'm also not surprised because i think i
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think the fast-paced game with all the
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excitement would be a bit much for you
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gentle disposition yeah the house is
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certainly the way you described it
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sounds like you have 10,000 things to
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explain as well so if the fast game is
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going really fast
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you know I might not be able to keep up
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might not be no about sometimes in quiet
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moments I think about like the fact we
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might do a cricket podcast one day and I
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think how would I start describing
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cricket how would I take someone who
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knows nothing about how the game works
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and it gets it really escalates quickly
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even just in my head like you and like I
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haven't even started and i have haha
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what about this and eventually i just
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have to a bad to that in my head so I
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don't know how it's going to work for
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real it's gonna be one Tadius podcast
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this is like so many projects that were
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so many things that you try to explain
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where you realize they're just
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completely interconnected like I can
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easily imagine that in in a in a game
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like cricket or any kind of sporting
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the reason that everyone is doing
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everything has 10 reasons so it's hard
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to know where to start with whatever is
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occurring but someday Brady we will do
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that cricket earring podcast we came
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close that one time you got tickets for
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everyone so i can't remember why I
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didn't end up showing up but we will do
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it at some point we will not thank you
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for that guy you you you took on the the
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wife row admirably there well I talked
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about cricket for Taylor I i wished i
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had the ability to ask more questions to
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humor you but i do not i'm i'm very glad
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that your cricket world cup game was
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super exciting reading it was a was
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amazing
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discuss Brady I mean this seems like
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it's something that's more any your
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but he wrote an article and we we won't
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go into it much data i will put a link
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in the show notes but basically the main
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thrust of the article is about spec
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working should people work for free
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hmm and this is a this is an issue that
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is of interest both of us I guess
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yes this has been our topic list for
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quite awhile in in one way or another
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yeah because i think if you work in in
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any kind of creative field at all this
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this idea of working for free is a thing
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that is unavoidable in one form or
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another like it its it's going to come
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and occasionally arguments about it
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erupts on the internet and in other
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mm so you your your friends article let
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me share them it let me shout out his
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yeah Johnny Aspen how you doing mate
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because you know what
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hey I saw the article he wrote just now
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by Facebook and I i actually messaged
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him and said I really enjoyed your
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article job good stuff and then he
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misses me I'd spoken to him for about
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three or four years and he messaged me
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back and said that's great timing i was
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just listening to your podcast and I
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didn't even listen to the podcast so
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share that job if you're listening to
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their to the podcast
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hi Jon you're at him your tip so anyway
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the thing that got John writing the
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article originally was a video that's
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been doing the rounds about not doing
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spec work i think it was made by an
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advertising company
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mm and the underlying message of this
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video supposedly is you know don't work
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for free
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other people to work for free why should
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you just about two million views right
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now so it's been that has been is widely
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widely viewed video for for those who
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are perhaps unaware that this thing that
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that some companies do like so many they
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talk about spec work it is not uncommon
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for large companies to ask creative
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workers to produce work for literally
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nothing on the promise of maybe getting
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future work so speculative yeah it is it
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is speculative warcraft that's what the
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speck is short for so like for example
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if if you're making a video you can ask
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for spec work for the music from people
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and say like oh just score this video
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and if I like the work that you've done
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maybe i'll hire you in the future right
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and you would ask several people
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basically to do this kind of thing and
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there and there are I think somewhat
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controversially some websites that are
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built on this whole platform so probably
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the biggest one in this field is
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99designs so 99designs is an example of
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this kind of thing where like let's say
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for let's say just throwing an idea here
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Brady let's say you were starting a new
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YouTube channel unlikely but let's
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imagine that that is that what happens
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from time to time
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yeah and you wanted to create a new logo
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for that channel
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ok you could go to 99designs and their
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other websites like this but me and
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basically say hey I'm looking for a logo
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website are then competing to make logos
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for you and that this is a spec work so
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you might get back like a hundred
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different logos and then you're
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selecting of all of those people one of
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them to actually pay and to use the logo
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so this is another kind of version of
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how spec work world works in the
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creative field of like do a thing
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maybe we will pay you but maybe we won't
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because we're just going to select
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somebody else in stomach
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these are sort of Jesus it's a subtle
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difference but there are two different
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models going on here on there one is do
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the work for free and maybe i'll give
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the other work one day and the other one
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is get a whole bunch of people to do the
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work for free and then pay the winner
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right i think they're two different
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things going on there and I think they
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should be treated differently anciently
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they're different i don't know in my in
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my mind there just I feel like they're
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two sides of the same coin but in both
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cases you is a creative person are
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rolling the dice on will there or will
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there not be money
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yeah but in one case your work never
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sees the light of day and in the other
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case it does see the light of day and
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you get money for it so i don't know i
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think of a bit different I think it's
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like one of those like a job interview
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isn't it like and if you don't get the
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job you don't get the job like if I
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spent three weeks preparing for a job
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interview and I don't get that job then
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I can't say to the person well give me
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three weeks of pay for the time i spent
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preparing for the job so I guess
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but what's the difference between sort
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of a job interview and trying to show
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someone you're good enough and just
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being just doing work that gets used to
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not being paid well the like this is
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this is where this whole thing gets
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super complicated really yeah right
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because you start trying to think about
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it in terms of job interviews and I
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think this is part of the reason why
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bring up this video in particular as a
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thing that we want to discuss in in the
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context of doing free work is this is an
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example of trying to think about things
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in in terms of analogies and and and
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what I think is occurring here is like
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there's there is something about
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creative work that is different from
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many other kinds of work and if you have
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you had to think about it be like if I
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was asked me what list some things that
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you think are different about creative
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work than sort of standard work what
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would you put on that list creative work
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doesn't require qualifications sometimes
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whereas some types of other work that
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you don't associate spec work to like a
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doctor so perfect i think that is that
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that's one of the things that would
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definitely lists as I'm thinking
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everything that makes it different
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there's no qualifications required you
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know nobody cares if you went to art
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school they care if you can paint
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whereas i do care if my doctor went to
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medical school
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quite often and again again there are
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exceptions to this as well quite often I
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say she ate a physical item with a non
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creative work like someone giving you a
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screwdriver as opposed to someone
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designing a logo and i know some
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creative work as a physical and but i
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agree tons of creative work i think we
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can fairly say the overwhelming majority
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of creative work in the modern world is
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non-tangible right especially for stuff
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that we're talking about with spec work
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like in in this case like people are
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producing music people are producing
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artwork people are producing writing
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they are not producing screwdrivers they
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are not producing dining room furniture
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sets i like that the those are different
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things that are occurring
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there's one other thing that I'm
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thinking of which makes creative work
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different from other work which is that
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times of people want to do it runs of
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people wants to work in creative fields
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yeah if you did carving up broad sectors
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of the economy and you say like service
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work in a white collar work creative
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working like these broad broad swaths of
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the of the working world i think there
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is no part where supply and demand or
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more mismatched right like the number of
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people who would love to be poets
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professionally is large and the number
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of people who can be professional poets
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is like to write like this is this just
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a huge this match with that I heard you
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make a little sound do you think they're
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more than 24 friend I I ya know i'm
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trying to think of the two like I was
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getting ok i call Maya Angelou and now
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you name one other thing that has the
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power lori at the moment in the UK
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I hope it's not the one you just named
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there you go right yeah i think these
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factors together tell you something
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about why is it that spec work can even
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exist in the first place
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why is there a sector of the economy
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where companies can say do work for us
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on the promise of no money and people do
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yeah i think i think this is one of the
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keys you don't have physical
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manufacturing costs there are no
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qualifications because your work is the
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qualification itself and there is also a
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huge number of people who want to work
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in this field I think those three things
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combined are the reason that spec work
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can exist
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I'm not saying that's an argument for
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why it should exist or if it is good or
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we're simply saying like why can this
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exists because i think if you had a
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to come in and just work for us for free
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no one's gonna do that she's not gonna
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happen but you can be a company and say
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create artwork for us or write for us or
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do any of this kind of stuff and people
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will do it for free on the promise of
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maybe money or even just the promise of
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exposure for the promise of building a
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resume at all like that's why this can
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happen in a in a way that it just
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with you go so so the million-dollar
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there are lots of people who ask for it
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to be done there are people who campaign
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against and who think it's this
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insidious practice where do you see on
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the same respect video it kind of rubbed
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me the wrong way
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so what's occurring in this video is
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there's a guy who's going around and
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he's asking a bunch of people to do work
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for him for free people in non-creative
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jobs well that's exactly it right that
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Yankee so he goes into a restaurant and
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he's asking for a free breakfast he goes
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to a personal trainer and he's saying oh
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we don't train me for free for a month
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and maybe i'll use you as my trainer in
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the future he goes around to a whole
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bunch of different people that's like
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after a picture framer yeah that's right
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doctor for my coffee shop
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yeah yeah he's asking for all of these
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things for free on spec work the video
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noisey undone to level it annoys me
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because 1i think it is using the
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standard Brady tactic of a misapplied
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analogy right then like they are
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intentionally selecting careers for
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which it is insane to imagine
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expect work could possibly exist is not
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going to occur because the economic
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situation just look like the guy's not
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gonna give you a free breakfast because
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it doesn't just pasta in his time to
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make the breakfast it cost him materials
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to make the breakfast right it's just
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it's just not comparable
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this is that and and he's not going to
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land a hundred-thousand-dollar breakfast
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contract the next day because he made
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you one good breakfast right exactly
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like the upside for him is that maybe
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you get one breakfast a week in the
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future it's like there's no upside and
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guarantee get a failure right
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the second thing that bothers me and I
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think this is where the question about
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working for free gets complicated fast
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is that he is going to people who
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already have profitable businesses
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yeah like that is the assumption here
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right that he is going to someone who
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works all day as a picture framer who
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works all day in a restaurant in a
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restaurant that exists so its profitable
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like he's going to this gym that exists
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that is presumably already profitable
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and so I think not only is it a
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misapplied analogy but it's also missing
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a fundamental difference in the creative
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world about like established
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professionals or new people in the in
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the world and so like it's wrong it's
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wrong in its argument in every way that
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it possibly can be
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now I think you again you can build an
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argument against spec work but this is
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like the most disingenuous way to
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possibly try to do that
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yeah and he gets an advertising company
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that made this ad and you can and
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they're the one group are looking at
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spec were completely differently i'll
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tell you what bothers me about the ad as
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probably the one occupation that didn't
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sit right with me was the the fitness
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instructor because he's saying give me a
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free fitness lesson and if I like her
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out do some more and the fitness
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instructors like no way man that's not
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how I work
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the funny thing is that is how fitness
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instructors work and they all the time
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to free lessons for people in the hope
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of getting a business yet like and most
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gyms you can go and do like a free half
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hour session with the instructor to see
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if you like them and my gym actually has
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a mandatory free Fitness instruction as
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part of becoming
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Jim yeah like you can't you can't join
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the gym unless you give us an
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opportunity to freely pitch our services
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yeah and it was the one that didn't sit
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right in like the whole the occupations
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that were showcasing as well because
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sort of being a fitness instructor is a
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little bit more like a creative
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occupation then you know making
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breakfast probably nonsense to all the
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brilliant cooks out there but it was the
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one that seemed a bit more like it
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didn't belong and funnily enough it's
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also the one that doesn't fit with my
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experience of reality i have had afraid
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fitness and I've never had a free coffee
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on spec but here's what I want people to
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think about when they think about
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working for free because this is also a
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thing that i have been on multiple sides
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of in some of my my previous career that
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I attempted to do I did work for free
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I'm in a position now where people often
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ask me to do work for free I i have been
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on both sides of this and I'll use a use
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an example like from the photography
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world where this is an argument that
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comes up all the time about should
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people who are starting their career
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like in photography should they do work
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for free and she's like should you do a
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wedding for free or should you charge
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right out of the gate and the thing that
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I can never help but notice is that in
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in this this kind of argument that
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occurs people who are established
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professionals are the ones who always
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are pushing for you shouldn't do work
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for free
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yeah in the same way that this
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advertising company has put together an
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advertising campaign saying don't do
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spec work don't create your music and
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don't create your graphics and we're
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free and the thing is like I feel like I
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can't help but notice that's super
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self-interested like a dear listener can
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you imagine if i made a video saying
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don't make your videos for free only
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make your videos when you charge for
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them like when when you have a sponsor
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at the end who is going to pay for them
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it's like
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do you think there might be a reason why
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I would not want people to to just make
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videos for free is like of course
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because it's it's a way of reducing
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competition right if you are the
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established professional would you don't
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want is a bunch of people creating free
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work right like yes it's it's pulling
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down the market average and so I just I
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think that for people getting started on
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their careers in like it this is the key
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thing for people getting started
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free like your huge advantage like this
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is the one thing that you have going for
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you and yes i spec work totally sucks in
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a lot of ways like are you going to put
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in a bunch of hours and maybe not get
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paid for stuff
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yes and that totally sucks right I get
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that is sort of awful but it is also
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your competitive advantage
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this is this is just how things go like
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I even remember when I was qualified as
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it as a teacher and looking for a job
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one of the things that that I I heard
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from my advisers they were pointing out
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like yet you're not an established
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teacher but that is actually your
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advantage because you're super cheap to
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school like schools will be happy to
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bring on a new cheap teacher because it
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costs them weigh less than bring on old
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established teacher like the spec work
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thing is just a more extreme version of
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that like if you are working in a
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creative field you can do something for
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free which is totally a version of like
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getting your foot in the door into a
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field like starting to build up your own
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professional reputation so gray III
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agree with you and I thought the same
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thing about all the people who seem to
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be the most vehement in their statements
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about being anti spec work are people I
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would love to put a lie detector or get
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a time machine and have a look what they
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did when they were starting out because
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I bet most of them did it
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yeah exactly exactly but there are a few
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questions then spring tomorrow
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the first one is when do you make the
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switch from being someone who's making
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the sacrifice and doing it for free or
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doing things on the shape to try and get
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that start to being someone who says no
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you know I'm worth more than that now
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and I should be paid accordingly how
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does how does that switch happen
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my feeling on this is there is a
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supernatural switching point which is
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that when you start having more work to
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do then you have time to do it
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hmm that to me seems like the most
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obvious point at which you can
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legitimately start charging money i
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actually think that you could probably
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start charging money before then because
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if you're getting a bunch of work that
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is that is like a signal from the world
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that you are producing something that
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other people value again like just
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speaking in super broad terms about
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creative fields here give people keep
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coming back or if your people are
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accepting your spec work on a regular
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basis that is a signal to you that
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you're doing a thing that is good which
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is an indication that you can have
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prices like you can start raising prices
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but without a doubt when you start
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running out of time when so many people
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want you to do stuff that whatever
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amount of time you have in a week to do
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work on the side or to do spec work like
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one that's running out then you should
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totally charge more like this is how
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economics work like when the supply
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starts getting constrained like you
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should raise the price and in this case
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the supply is your available hours to do
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things when that supply starts getting
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limited then the price should go up the
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other question is and this is I'd like
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to hear some words of reassurance or
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scaremongering whichever it whichever is
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necessary now for the people who are
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sort of sitting higher in the tray and
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they're swimming and Manning and things
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are going really well for them in the
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creative world I guess their fear fear
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is these swarms of people below who are
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willing to work for free
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I'm going to topple them from their
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perch that's the fear isn't it that's
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why they're making lucknow suspect
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campaigns and things like that it's not
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because they care about the little
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people i think it's because they care
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about their position on the perch
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if you're on a perch and you're making a
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good living from creative work why
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should you not be scared of all the spec
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workers taking all your work away but
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you should be scared that you should be
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terrified
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yeah this goes back to the popularity
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thing from before where if a lot of
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people want to do something and also a
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lot of people are able to do with thing
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you should expect like the average price
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of that thing to go down yet so we live
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in a world where a large part of the
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population ends up having a fair amount
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of leisure time in which they can do
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creative work like that that's a thing
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that exists in the world now that didn't
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exist so much long time ago for a large
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portion of the population
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I don't think it is unreasonable to be
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worried about people doing free work in
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your field because again like the very
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fact that there are people who are
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willing to do the thing for free like
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that like that is it is a an indication
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to you like there are tons of people who
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want to get into that field and all
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right just as being the best at
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something not count because I mean I
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would have happily play cricket for
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Australia for free right but the guys
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who are playing cricket australia and a
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ton of money and I'm not getting
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anything coast right you're not getting
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any phone calls but that that's
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precisely where i was going with this is
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what we are indirectly describing here
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is superstar economies a field that a
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lot of people want to go into tends to
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have this this distribution where
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there's a small number of people who are
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doing very well and there's a ton of
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people who want to get into that field
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and like the average price of their
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earnings is very low
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Hollywood is of course the perfect
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example of this ya la the city that
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crushes people dream everyday boatloads
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of people land in la like dying to to
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work in the movie industry and so I'm
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sure like and all of their dreams are
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just crushed to a first approximation
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but like you end you end
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up with like this superstar effect where
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some people through hard work and also
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through luck end up becoming like the
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focus of a large number of people's
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attention this is what the art world is
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in in all forms like this is what the
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music industry is this is what all of
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these fields are like almost by
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definition an area of of the economy
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where tons of people want to work is
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also an area of the economy that can't
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help but create like this superstar
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effect and I think even to a lesser
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extent you can see it in places like the
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advertising industry that there are
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advertising companies that are extremely
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well known in their field and the and
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they become like the companies that
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everybody wants to work with like this
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is this is just what happens i guess the
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real the real lesson here is is like
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just like Hollywood these kind of fields
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they're not they're not feel that you
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can like wholeheartedly recommend that
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people should go into it's very hard to
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recommend that anyone become an actor or
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actress like you know what is probably
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going to be a bad idea
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like that's probably not going to work
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out for you but you can't convince
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people to not do it because these fields
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are very attractive which leads to this
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whole phenomenon in the first place your
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advice to people who want to break into
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sort of creative fields and have this
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conundrum before them of do i do spec
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work your advice is do it
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yeah do it get your foot in the door get
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yourself out there and then if you're
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good enough hopefully you'll be so much
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in demand that eventually you will be
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able to command higher prices
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yeah I would agree with that
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wholeheartedly ya know my my overall
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advice like if I'm speaking to generic
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high school kid who's thinking about
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careers and I don't know anything about
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the person i would advise like don't go
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into this field right this is probably a
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bad idea because you'll have to expect
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work like he wanted you want to go into
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creative field like okay yeah great
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you and everybody else like tell me
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about your future career as a as a
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professional cricket ear right like lots
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of people want to do this you know it's
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going to be a horrible grind in the
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beginning to try to try to get
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get your way to the top like so it's
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probably better yet but if you are going
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to get go into this field don't fall for
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this sweet siren song that the
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established professionals will tell you
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like don't work for free man that's a
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terrible your work should be respected
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like they're singing a song that you
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want to hear
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don't fall for it because it's just a
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trap look at the people who are singing
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that song and don't listen free is your
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huge advantage and I think I guess the
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final thing that I would say is that you
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should probably pay close attention to
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whether or not people are using your
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work like don't waste years and years of
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your life doing spec work for free
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this should be a thing that you say like
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okay I'm gonna try to do i'm gonna try
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to break into field x and i'm going to
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define some amount of time that i'm
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going to spend on it and see if people
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are interested in the work that i'm
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doing and if they're not then I'm going
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to I'm going to move on right because
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it's just everywhere you look it's just
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a graveyard of people who have failed
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trying to do this exact same thing great
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you you talk about the establishment
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having this siren syrupy song of saying
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come on don't do this trick works you
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know you you deserve more the thin end
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of the wedge and I hear that and I
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understand it but don't we also hear
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about the establishment and the big
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organizations doing the opposite and
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having another siren song where they say
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come on do some work for us for free you
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get good exposure this will be good for
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your career later you might learn some
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contracts because of her and isn't that
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just another form of exploitation of
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people you're talking about two
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different groups here the advertising
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agency doesn't want creative
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professionals doing doing the spec work
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for free but companies that need ads
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certainly will ask for free ads so it's
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like your fellow creators are singing
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one siren some tea and the people who
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want the creations are singing another
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siren song yes exactly
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apparently the the creator's who have
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been successful are the ones who are
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trying to say like don't work for free
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don't drop the prices down that's what
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you end up hearing I have done things on
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spec definitely mhm i also have done
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things for less than what I think
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they're worth voluntarily I remember the
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early days of periodic videos working
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insane hours like 20 hours a day working
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or not making all these films about the
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periodic table that no one was watching
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just thinking if I do this and make all
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of these videos i think someone will
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notice and all and all I was being paid
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at the time but that you know it was it
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was quite small grad so I consider that
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semi spec work and and and that spec
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work work it paid off me those three or
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four weeks i remember not sleeping and
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just making all these videos and putting
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them on youtube at the end of those few
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weeks i did get a bit of luck and i got
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noticed that led to it led to more work
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so my experience of spec work was it was
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the making of me and I don't know
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whether you consider your Britain video
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to be spic work or not but it was
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certainly the making of you as well and
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you did that afraid probably not knowing
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if anyone would ever watch it
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yeah that's what that's the whole
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YouTube economy is based on like you
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know oh I mean I guess I guess it's a
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bit different now because you can start
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making money off of the advertisements
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right from the start but again it's it's
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such a small amount of like no one's
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making any youtube videos at the very
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beginning that have a high return on
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investment in terms of your time
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right like you're not it's just it's
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just not happening so you're basically
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doing were kind of for free trying to
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build an audience and and build a future
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career on youtube from talking to you
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about this it seems that you have and
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I'm not surprised by this is so it's one
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of your defining qualities you seem to
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have tremendous faith in market forces
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and the economy and things sorting
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everything out like there's there's high
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demand is low demand that drives costs
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up and down etc
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do you not think there could be any
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protections in place to stop people
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being exploited should we just let the
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forces take care of her or wood should
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there be something to protect people
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from being exploited by spec work if
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this glut of people who are right for
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the picking
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should they let should we let people
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pick them
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ok out always always i disagree with
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your phrasing of things Brady it that's
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another of your defining qualities that
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was one of your defining qualities that
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you the to intentionally provocatively I
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think misrepresents what it is that I'm
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saying never
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it's not that i have want to be clear
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here is not that I have tremendous faith
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in markets i I've you markets almost
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like a natural phenomenon they are a
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byproduct of the way our monkey brains
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interact with the universe like it's
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just like a part of nature almost that
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humans compete in various ways for
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limited resources
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I just acknowledge that this is a thing
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that exists in the world i am not a
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markets are a great solution for
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absolutely everything guy I think
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sometimes markets are good solutions and
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sometimes you need counter market
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solutions
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it depends on what it is you're trying
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to achieve what you're trying to do I
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just think there are many cases where
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people try to futilely fight against
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markets and and this whole notion of
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like don't do spec work is precisely one
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of these moments like this there's
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nothing that you can do to fight against
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this you don't think that's a counter
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market solution to prevent spec work
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becoming too widespread I don't think
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there's much that you could practically
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do to stop it
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like I think you think you could try to
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do things like make make websites like
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99 designs are similar things that you
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could try to write laws to make those
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things illegal but i still think you're
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only ever going to be able to nail down
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the most obvious cases of what's
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happening
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I think it'll just end up becoming a
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much more informal process if if you try
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to get rid of it
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because I just think like that that tide
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of tons of people want to break into a
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cool field and will be willing to do
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lots of work at at little or no cost to
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i I just don't think that you can fight
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that I think like that will find a way
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one way or another into you know people
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just offering up their work for the
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possibility of payment in the future i
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think is very little that you could
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possibly do to stop it
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it is interesting because sometimes it
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feels like certainly a lot of creative
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and artistic people feel like they live
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in a society where art is not valued and
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then we have the situation where you're
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saying you know everyone wants to be an
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artist so of course you can't demand
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higher prices for your work that just
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sort of reinforces this perception that
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some people have that artisan isn't
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valued enough and they sort of
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strengthens their position doesn't make
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some say no my art is valuable and you
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should be paying top dollar for don't
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treat us like second-class citizens
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yeah but it is invaluable alright like
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in and and that's also why the art world
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has the same kind of superstar effect
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and I almost by definition you know
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paintings are are valuable because a
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bunch of monkeys have agreed that that
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painting is valuable right that there's
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nothing there's nothing intrinsic in it
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in the same way that like a liver
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transplant is an intrinsically valuable
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service that a professional provides
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right and Monet is not the same thing a
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Monet is like an artificial value you
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get a lot of liver transplants from my
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right you can get a lot of liver
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transplants for monday as long as the
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monkeys all agree that the Monet is
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worth a whole bunch of liver transplants
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right but it's like the the painting
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doesn't do anything directly for you
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right it's not valuable in in this in
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this direct way like art art is not
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valuable but ends up in this the same
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kind of superstar fact i think it an
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interesting just slightly shift i think
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an interesting other field that that has
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this phenomenon a little bit is actually
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the thing that I'm always promoting
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which is computer programming
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and is one of these things like I feel
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like I you know having grown up in
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exactly the time that i have that when I
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when I was a kid there was kind of this
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idea that computer programming was an
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incredibly rare skill but this was
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actually just a side effect of like well
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not very many people had computers and
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then I think that it's interesting like
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it has turned out that while computer
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programmers are not a huge portion of
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the population there are lots of them
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it's a decent size number of people who
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have this skill to be able to create
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applications on their computers like
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that is an intrinsically valuable skill
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but it's also a case of nowhere like the
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simple supply of people ends up driving
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down the value of the product they
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produce and I think we see this in for
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example the number of free apps that are
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available on your iphone i guess it's
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astounding how ridiculously cheap apps
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are on your iphone for the most part and
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part of that is just like there's so
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many people who want to be apt
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developers like it's a cool job to have
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like I'm just gonna sit in my house and
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program away at my computer and I'm
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gonna be able to do whatever was like
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well guess what there's tons of people
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who want to do that and just like people
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who produce art there are tons of people
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who can do that as like a part-time
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thing or there are lots of people who
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just like people enjoy creating art
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there are people who enjoy programming
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and so that enormous I don't want to say
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glut but that enormous supply of people
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who are able to do a thing changes the
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competitive landscape of that of that
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thing itself i'm always promoting the
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computer programming as as I can
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incredibly valuable skill but it still
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has this same kind of a fact that like
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lots of people once
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to do this and you can end up with this
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similar kind of superstar fact that she
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like a small number of apps make an
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enormous amount of money and a huge
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number of apps make basically no money
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whatsoever the price you pay for an
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enjoyable job
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yeah that's exactly it that's exactly it
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you know you if if you have you're
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looking to get a job that everybody
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wants to do then it's it's going to be
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hard because you have an enormous amount
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of competition like that's that's just
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the way the world works
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you don't get a lot of spec what
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toilet-cleaning on the hunt the flip
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side of this i taught at a school that
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we will say had just a very large number
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of very well-to-do students at one point
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and i was showing them a video about
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something or other it doesn't even
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matter but at one point in the video
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they show an assembly line that's
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producing kitchenware for for that for
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your household and on the video at one
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moment there's a guy whose whole job was
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moving a sheet of metal from one metal
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stamping machine to another metal
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stamping machine that would turn it into
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a bowl and then taking the finish bowl
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off and putting it on a conveyor belt
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and that was all he did like move the
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piece from one side to the other one
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side to the other and for some reason
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this caught the attention of the
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students in the class and these these
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kids were in year nine so they're like
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13 14 years old again all from very
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well-to-do families and one of the girls
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said is that that guy's job like is that
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all he does all day and so I thought
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like this little teachable moment right
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let's have a little a little
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conversation about that and I said oh
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yeah this this is this is what this
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person does for a living and never
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forget because she said he must get paid
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so much money to do a job that's so
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boring and then that what that was my
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moment to be like let's talk about the
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value of skills like this is going to be
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a moment for me to try to sell
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engineering degrees to everyone in the
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right now like I will never have a
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better moment to sell it then this
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because like that is the other side of
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the supply equation like if you can have
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a an enjoyable job but if there are lots
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of low-skilled people like that doesn't
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drive up the price of that job that also
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drives the price of that job down and
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what a magic moment and great example of
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the important role that teachers play in
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the shaping of students and change lives
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that day
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