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H.I. #68: Project Revolution

 

00:00:00   Brady do you want to tell the people [TS]

00:00:02   about the secret project [TS]

00:00:04   have you given a secret name because of [TS]

00:00:07   secret projects not a secret project [TS]

00:00:09   until it's got some pretentious name on [TS]

00:00:11   one of your spreadsheets [TS]

00:00:12   ah no actually can we quickly give it a [TS]

00:00:16   name was a good code name for a project [TS]

00:00:18   revolution is what i would call this one [TS]

00:00:20   yes I was thinking revolver but [TS]

00:00:23   revolution is good for many reasons [TS]

00:00:25   that's the perfect name but now I did [TS]

00:00:26   that come up with a secret code name for [TS]

00:00:28   this one because this as with many [TS]

00:00:30   things is one of your ideas that was [TS]

00:00:32   births and so this was not on my project [TS]

00:00:34   lists [TS]

00:00:34   yeah I mean without wanting to say I'm [TS]

00:00:36   too boastful this one has got my name [TS]

00:00:38   written all over it hasn't it it does [TS]

00:00:41   tell the people what we've been up to [TS]

00:00:43   well I'm just cut to the chase we are [TS]

00:00:46   releasing an exclusive hello Internet [TS]

00:00:49   episode there is available on and only [TS]

00:00:53   on vinyl [TS]

00:00:55   yeah everything is smile and laugh [TS]

00:01:02   everytime i think about a podcast [TS]

00:01:05   episode on a record [TS]

00:01:07   it's podcasting getting back to its [TS]

00:01:10   roots isn't it yes I believe my [TS]

00:01:13   knowledge of history serves me correctly [TS]

00:01:15   hear that the original podcast were [TS]

00:01:17   distributed via vinyl records on and [TS]

00:01:21   pony express our wax cylinder yeah i [TS]

00:01:27   think that the other how podcasters of [TS]

00:01:29   you are used to do this to be fair my [TS]

00:01:31   wife played a pretty big role in the [TS]

00:01:33   idea to she quite likes a vinyl music [TS]

00:01:35   move so the idea came about that we [TS]

00:01:38   should have an episode of Hello internet [TS]

00:01:40   on vinyl and I was quite nervous about [TS]

00:01:42   suggesting it to you because you don't [TS]

00:01:44   seem like a vinyl kind of guy and I [TS]

00:01:46   thought it was going to be a tough sell [TS]

00:01:48   little and i have to say of all the [TS]

00:01:50   crazy things that I've persuaded you to [TS]

00:01:52   do this probably required the least [TS]

00:01:54   effort you onboard very quickly i was on [TS]

00:01:57   board very quickly because it was a good [TS]

00:01:59   idea i get a lot of wacky Brady ideas [TS]

00:02:02   but i thought this was funny i like the [TS]

00:02:04   pitch of it immediately so when it's a [TS]

00:02:06   good idea Brady I'm happy to go along [TS]

00:02:08   ok so just so people know where things [TS]

00:02:10   are at before we talk about vinyl in [TS]

00:02:12   general [TS]

00:02:13   we have recorded the episode em it's [TS]

00:02:16   fair to say it's not your typical hello [TS]

00:02:18   Internet episodes in a gray like in some [TS]

00:02:20   ways it is but otherwise it's a bit [TS]

00:02:21   different [TS]

00:02:22   have you even listen to it yet what did [TS]

00:02:23   you not listen to the broadcast i sent [TS]

00:02:25   you [TS]

00:02:26   I haven't gotten a chance to look into [TS]

00:02:28   the rough cut and had just sent me just [TS]

00:02:30   yet but i was there during the recording [TS]

00:02:32   some i'm aware of what you were you were [TS]

00:02:34   at so we've recorded the episode i've [TS]

00:02:37   edited it all together it's a very [TS]

00:02:38   special episode and it's now off with [TS]

00:02:41   the manufacturers and it's going to be [TS]

00:02:43   pressed onto vinyl there's an album [TS]

00:02:45   cover which incidentally is amazing [TS]

00:02:49   mhm it's going to be available in [TS]

00:02:52   November it takes awhile to get vinyl [TS]

00:02:56   made on learning its bit of a palava to [TS]

00:02:57   be honest [TS]

00:02:58   well this has been an incredibly long [TS]

00:02:59   process because like how long was it ago [TS]

00:03:02   that you actually pitch this to me is [TS]

00:03:03   the thing that you wanted to do it feels [TS]

00:03:05   like months and months and months ago I [TS]

00:03:07   was ages ago [TS]

00:03:08   it just took you so long to actually [TS]

00:03:10   decide to record it and decide what the [TS]

00:03:11   episode would be about but we finally [TS]

00:03:14   did and we finally did that about a [TS]

00:03:16   month ago [TS]

00:03:17   mhm why is it together pretty quickly [TS]

00:03:19   and then got the artwork made started [TS]

00:03:22   talking to manufacturers and they have [TS]

00:03:24   to be sent all this stuff it's a process [TS]

00:03:26   that we did the episode I thought that [TS]

00:03:28   was a pretty cool episode I listen back [TS]

00:03:30   to and thought yet [TS]

00:03:31   that's pretty good but when we got the [TS]

00:03:33   artwork done by a professional and very [TS]

00:03:36   good artist who you introduced me to [TS]

00:03:38   when I saw the designs that was when I [TS]

00:03:40   was like this is awesome [TS]

00:03:42   that's when I got excited because he's [TS]

00:03:44   done an amazing job yet it does look [TS]

00:03:46   absolutely gorgeous will put a link in [TS]

00:03:47   the show notes to the vinyl artwork do [TS]

00:03:51   you want to tell people what we actually [TS]

00:03:53   discussed sit because as people who [TS]

00:03:56   listen to that episode might realize i [TS]

00:03:58   was unfamiliar with what you proposed [TS]

00:04:00   that we do in this final episode of [TS]

00:04:02   Hello internet well I'm a little [TS]

00:04:04   reluctant to give away too much at this [TS]

00:04:05   stage I'd like to build that but i will [TS]

00:04:07   say it is about music okay and our taste [TS]

00:04:12   in music [TS]

00:04:13   we discuss music quite a la M it [TS]

00:04:16   actually gave me new insights into you [TS]

00:04:18   gray like the musical and actually some [TS]

00:04:20   of the music you told me about [TS]

00:04:22   I have since been listening to oh wow [TS]

00:04:24   that's interesting [TS]

00:04:26   yeah i can say the reverse is not true [TS]

00:04:28   there are a few questions that are going [TS]

00:04:30   to come into people's heads and the main [TS]

00:04:32   1i guess is why on earth are you doing [TS]

00:04:34   such a stupid ridiculous thing I think [TS]

00:04:37   it seems self-evidence why you would do [TS]

00:04:39   this because it's fun it's intrinsically [TS]

00:04:42   entertaining i just like to create [TS]

00:04:44   things and this is true it's so rare [TS]

00:04:47   that we create physical things and this [TS]

00:04:50   struck me as a rare opportunity for us [TS]

00:04:52   to like to make something real in the [TS]

00:04:54   world that people could touch and put on [TS]

00:04:57   the shelf and and handle and I don't [TS]

00:05:00   know it excites me [TS]

00:05:02   I was always fascinated by vinyl when I [TS]

00:05:03   was young because you know my parents [TS]

00:05:05   had a record player and also you know [TS]

00:05:07   the idea of gold records when people win [TS]

00:05:09   a gold record and have it framed and put [TS]

00:05:11   up on the wall and I'm not the world's [TS]

00:05:12   biggest music head so far from but just [TS]

00:05:15   the idea of Records always appealed to [TS]

00:05:17   me and also i think it's a nice thing to [TS]

00:05:20   own up when I really like a band or I [TS]

00:05:23   really like an album [TS]

00:05:24   mmm even if I'm never going to listen to [TS]

00:05:26   vinyl or CD or cassette I just like to [TS]

00:05:29   own a copy of it and sure i might just [TS]

00:05:32   continue listening to it now on my [TS]

00:05:34   computer on my phone but I just like [TS]

00:05:36   having on the Shelf something about that [TS]

00:05:39   appeals to me how many vinyl records do [TS]

00:05:41   you think you are [TS]

00:05:42   of what hardly any we actually only got [TS]

00:05:44   a new record player about two or three [TS]

00:05:46   weeks ago so we have been buying a few [TS]

00:05:48   records just lightly but before i did [TS]

00:05:49   get the record player i did get the [TS]

00:05:51   public service broadcasting album they [TS]

00:05:52   sent me a copy of it so i have had that [TS]

00:05:54   on the Shelf before I had my record [TS]

00:05:56   player and I like them they're like [TS]

00:05:58   little trophies that little ornaments [TS]

00:06:00   and I don't know if it's true for [TS]

00:06:02   podcast because i don't know how many [TS]

00:06:04   podcasts have released vital episodes [TS]

00:06:06   but I can imagine if you quite liked a [TS]

00:06:09   podcast sure you know you can get a [TS]

00:06:11   t-shirt or you can get a poster but i [TS]

00:06:13   just thought if you're going to own [TS]

00:06:14   something of a podcast you like what [TS]

00:06:17   better thing to own then like physical [TS]

00:06:19   incarnation of an episode of it and [TS]

00:06:22   that's what we're making you can [TS]

00:06:24   actually touch an episode you can hold [TS]

00:06:25   it it can be yours you described it as a [TS]

00:06:28   thing of beauty really [TS]

00:06:30   the physical manifestation of our lovely [TS]

00:06:33   voices etched onto the physical surface [TS]

00:06:37   of an object to be scratched over by a [TS]

00:06:40   needle to reproduce the sound final the [TS]

00:06:43   big question is though who owns a record [TS]

00:06:46   player but who can listen to this [TS]

00:06:48   are we making something that no one can [TS]

00:06:50   actually utilize I think the answer that [TS]

00:06:53   is in many cases no one owns a record [TS]

00:06:55   player and we are making something that [TS]

00:06:57   people won't be able to play unless they [TS]

00:06:58   go and visit uncle johns or grandma [TS]

00:07:01   Jones and use her record player but i [TS]

00:07:04   don't think that matters [TS]

00:07:05   I think if I like something just like [TS]

00:07:08   with race for space the album before i [TS]

00:07:10   had a record player i wanted to own a [TS]

00:07:11   vinyl copy of it because i liked the [TS]

00:07:13   album and I think I would feel the same [TS]

00:07:16   way about this i would like to have it [TS]

00:07:18   even if I couldn't listen to it that [TS]

00:07:19   sounds ridiculous and I thought maybe [TS]

00:07:21   that is ridiculous but funnily enough [TS]

00:07:23   and coincidentally I've just been [TS]

00:07:26   reading a few articles in the last few [TS]

00:07:27   days I was someone on the BBC website [TS]

00:07:29   saying that something like fifty percent [TS]

00:07:32   of vinyl albums that are purchased by [TS]

00:07:34   people and never listened to on never [TS]

00:07:37   played so I think that attitude that I [TS]

00:07:40   have that these things can actually just [TS]

00:07:41   be ornaments or little stylistic things [TS]

00:07:44   is fleshed out by statistics as well so [TS]

00:07:47   you think people are buying them as [TS]

00:07:48   posters and like putting them up on [TS]

00:07:50   their wall or his ownership objects [TS]

00:07:51   never intending to actually listen to [TS]

00:07:53   them i think that's true [TS]

00:07:55   there was an article from April 2016 on [TS]

00:07:58   the BBC website and we'll try and link [TS]

00:07:59   to it and it's all about how music [TS]

00:08:02   streaming has actually caused an upsurge [TS]

00:08:05   in sales of vinyl and as all these [TS]

00:08:07   numbers and stats and that but they're [TS]

00:08:08   also just interviewing a few people [TS]

00:08:10   about and they were talking to the [TS]

00:08:11   student in manchester and he said I have [TS]

00:08:14   vinyls in my room but it's more for de [TS]

00:08:16   coeur I don't actually play them it just [TS]

00:08:18   gives me an old-school vibe that's what [TS]

00:08:20   vinyl is all about [TS]

00:08:21   i get there i have one on my shelf the [TS]

00:08:23   moment you know i bought the Star Wars [TS]

00:08:26   trilogy on laserdiscs like from a [TS]

00:08:29   secondhand shop I've never even owned a [TS]

00:08:31   laserdisc player but I just liked like [TS]

00:08:33   this retro coolness of owning the Star [TS]

00:08:36   Wars trilogy on laserdisc and they just [TS]

00:08:37   interesting objects maybe this is the [TS]

00:08:40   same thing and we've deliberately made [TS]

00:08:41   this hello Internet album look [TS]

00:08:43   indirect right when you say you know why [TS]

00:08:45   i made it does the blacks from another [TS]

00:08:47   time did I show you my original design [TS]

00:08:49   of the album cover [TS]

00:08:50   I've just sent you my original sketch of [TS]

00:08:52   what I wanted like my vision for what [TS]

00:08:54   the output look like just to share the [TS]

00:08:56   different stream what I came up with and [TS]

00:08:58   whatnot just gonna be okay i never saw [TS]

00:08:59   this is this but look at you can see my [TS]

00:09:03   vision but you can see the vision there [TS]

00:09:05   Caillou great [TS]

00:09:06   ok that will include this in the show [TS]

00:09:08   notes because yes this is if you imagine [TS]

00:09:11   like Brady is a three-year-old child [TS]

00:09:14   holding a crayon into hands drawing what [TS]

00:09:17   he imagines an album cover to be that is [TS]

00:09:19   what I'm looking at right now a very [TS]

00:09:22   terribly drawn picture of like a beach [TS]

00:09:24   scene and a robot and brady and like a [TS]

00:09:28   gramophone on the beach I would praise a [TS]

00:09:31   small child for this drawing it looks [TS]

00:09:33   terrible if you have done it but i can [TS]

00:09:35   see the inspiration that I'm sure that [TS]

00:09:37   his came to the artists to create the [TS]

00:09:40   final version i think the final version [TS]

00:09:42   pretty much looks just like it except [TS]

00:09:44   like well done they filled in the [TS]

00:09:46   details [TS]

00:09:47   a little yeah I'm sure that's that's all [TS]

00:09:49   that was done I like that it's also [TS]

00:09:51   called Brady scribble dot jpg has the [TS]

00:09:54   file name isn't saving it to my desktop [TS]

00:09:57   fantastic [TS]

00:09:59   yeah I have no delusions of grandeur I [TS]

00:10:01   think though and i know you Brady [TS]

00:10:03   because you're kind of a hoarder [TS]

00:10:06   you know you keep talking about the [TS]

00:10:07   actual object miss of it and we have [TS]

00:10:09   people love to hold things in to run [TS]

00:10:12   their fingers over them and to keep [TS]

00:10:13   hundreds of photos of astronauts and a [TS]

00:10:16   big trunk next to the desk like this is [TS]

00:10:18   the kind of thing that you like to do [TS]

00:10:19   yeah i think people will actually listen [TS]

00:10:21   to it and I think people actually do own [TS]

00:10:25   record players it seems like [TS]

00:10:27   old-fashioned record players are kind of [TS]

00:10:29   a trendy thing all of these hipsters in [TS]

00:10:32   the world who like old things go out and [TS]

00:10:35   they buy record players so I think there [TS]

00:10:38   are actually enough record players in [TS]

00:10:40   the world that a significant number of [TS]

00:10:41   people who buy this will actually be [TS]

00:10:43   able to hear the episode that is [TS]

00:10:45   contained within it i don't think it's [TS]

00:10:46   just going to end up on people's walls [TS]

00:10:48   as a piece of artwork at least i hope [TS]

00:10:51   not because we know we record the [TS]

00:10:52   episode for people to listen to and I [TS]

00:10:54   think it will be listened to [TS]

00:10:55   maybe there will be [TS]

00:10:56   hello Internet listening parties where [TS]

00:10:58   the one hipster in the group or the one [TS]

00:11:00   delusional person who thinks that vinyl [TS]

00:11:02   sounds better than all digital [TS]

00:11:04   recordings and thus owns a record player [TS]

00:11:05   will be able to play the episode for a [TS]

00:11:08   group of people to listen to i think [TS]

00:11:10   that's gonna happen and they're gonna [TS]

00:11:11   love it I love the idea of a party with [TS]

00:11:13   a big bowl of crisps and a couple of [TS]

00:11:15   years and just hanging there [TS]

00:11:17   I hope that is until I put a lot of [TS]

00:11:18   effort into the episode it was put [TS]

00:11:20   together very lovingly even though you [TS]

00:11:22   haven't listened to it yet it has not [TS]

00:11:23   gotten to the top of my to-do list had [TS]

00:11:25   been very busy being in America but i [TS]

00:11:27   will listen to it very soon ready okay [TS]

00:11:30   so it's not going to physically exist [TS]

00:11:32   into November em but we've been a bit of [TS]

00:11:34   a conundrum [TS]

00:11:35   it's been very difficult to decide how [TS]

00:11:37   many to have made so we've got a very [TS]

00:11:40   limited run being made so we are going [TS]

00:11:42   to sell them now so we know who's going [TS]

00:11:45   to get them so if you want one [TS]

00:11:48   there's only about I think 250 being [TS]

00:11:51   made at the moment blue which maybe is [TS]

00:11:53   way too many or maybe is not enough [TS]

00:11:56   so if you want one order it now I'm [TS]

00:11:59   afraid you won't actually get to hold it [TS]

00:12:01   until later in the year but once they're [TS]

00:12:04   gone they're probably gone and it's [TS]

00:12:07   taken so long to get these ones my [TS]

00:12:08   goodness knows if i'll be able to get [TS]

00:12:10   another batch done so if you want one [TS]

00:12:12   get in if you don't want one well that's [TS]

00:12:15   okay fine it's not for everyone which [TS]

00:12:18   still business as usual here on the [TS]

00:12:19   internet business as usual [TS]

00:12:23   what is business as usual Brady you know [TS]

00:12:26   we're still putting out a good [TS]

00:12:27   old-fashioned internet episodes are you [TS]

00:12:29   trying to allay fears that people might [TS]

00:12:31   have that the show is going to convert [TS]

00:12:32   to a completely vinyl she'll fix is [TS]

00:12:34   really successful like that's what it [TS]

00:12:36   sounds like implicitly you're trying to [TS]

00:12:38   let people know like don't worry if this [TS]

00:12:41   sells out we're not going to become a [TS]

00:12:43   vinyl exclusive podcast right don't [TS]

00:12:46   worry it's still business as usual with [TS]

00:12:49   our fancy pantsy digital distribution [TS]

00:12:51   that's still going to happen during that [TS]

00:12:53   time and gray don't tell me can you [TS]

00:12:56   imagine the irony if the first vinyl [TS]

00:12:58   only podcast in the world was called [TS]

00:12:59   hello internet at [TS]

00:13:01   great are you gonna want to copy because [TS]

00:13:06   I know you don't like physical things [TS]

00:13:08   but surely you will have to own a copy [TS]

00:13:09   of this i'm trying to remember is does [TS]

00:13:12   my dad have a record player can i send [TS]

00:13:15   this to my parents house so that I have [TS]

00:13:18   it and then i can actually listen to it [TS]

00:13:20   on vinyl and gift my parents with the [TS]

00:13:23   burden of holding onto the actual [TS]

00:13:26   physical object i think maybe listen to [TS]

00:13:28   my parents and I will enjoy it there [TS]

00:13:30   the burden mhm I can't wait [TS]

00:13:34   if nothing else people just go and have [TS]

00:13:35   a look at what the cover looks like just [TS]

00:13:37   enjoy the cover it's a thing of beauty [TS]

00:13:39   and you can look at that for free [TS]

00:13:41   yeah you can look at that for free see [TS]

00:13:43   what Brady's artwork inspired i wonder [TS]

00:13:48   if it's too late to this replace the out [TS]

00:13:50   with my original 1 i'm just going to say [TS]

00:13:52   it's too late right now i'm gonna say [TS]

00:13:54   it's too late [TS]

00:13:55   even though this is 100-percent your [TS]

00:13:56   project from start to finish you were [TS]

00:13:58   doing everything I'm going to say it's [TS]

00:14:00   too late to possibly change the artwork [TS]

00:14:01   for this one [TS]

00:14:02   no it's not it's not gonna happen maybe [TS]

00:14:05   there's gonna be a the second run [TS]

00:14:06   printing do you have like memories of [TS]

00:14:09   vinyl I did you ever own vinyl records [TS]

00:14:11   or you know used to play them on your [TS]

00:14:13   parents record player or was it never [TS]

00:14:15   really part of your life [TS]

00:14:16   my dad was always really big into music [TS]

00:14:19   much much more so than I ever was or [TS]

00:14:22   ever have been [TS]

00:14:23   and when I was a kid I remember that [TS]

00:14:25   there were tons of vinyl records it [TS]

00:14:27   seemed like around the house and he had [TS]

00:14:29   a vinyl record player and I feel like I [TS]

00:14:32   remember like the transition from vinyl [TS]

00:14:36   to digital is this big thing that we did [TS]

00:14:39   at one point going through all of my [TS]

00:14:40   dad's vinyl records and having a machine [TS]

00:14:42   that actually converted them into [TS]

00:14:43   digital mp3's at one point but yeah I [TS]

00:14:45   definitely remember as a kid listening [TS]

00:14:48   to vinyl records that was playing on my [TS]

00:14:51   dad's system but by the time i bought [TS]

00:14:54   music for myself it was cds i'm pretty [TS]

00:15:00   sure embarrassingly the first CD I ever [TS]

00:15:03   bought was like pocket full of [TS]

00:15:05   kryptonite by the spin doctors which [TS]

00:15:08   anyone like in middle school in the [TS]

00:15:11   early nineties was definitely no but [TS]

00:15:13   they did not [TS]

00:15:14   last very long after that I think but i [TS]

00:15:16   am one hundred percent certain that i [TS]

00:15:19   personally have never bought a vinyl [TS]

00:15:22   record but you as a man in the next [TS]

00:15:26   decade of life for me [TS]

00:15:27   have you bought vinyl records you must [TS]

00:15:29   have no I started on cassettes and my [TS]

00:15:32   first cassette was money for nothing [TS]

00:15:35   well actually the album was called [TS]

00:15:36   brothers-in-arms by dire straits but i [TS]

00:15:40   do have fun memories of our no I [TS]

00:15:41   remember my dad bought the vinyl single [TS]

00:15:43   of kokomo by the Beach Boys and I [TS]

00:15:46   remember spending a summer just playing [TS]

00:15:49   that over and over again on the record [TS]

00:15:50   player but we were listening to it was [TS]

00:15:52   playing in the swimming pool because I [TS]

00:15:54   grew up with a swimming pool open so we [TS]

00:15:56   would be swimming and then when the song [TS]

00:15:57   would finish after four minutes or [TS]

00:15:59   whatever we would take it in turns to [TS]

00:16:00   getting out of the pole and drying your [TS]

00:16:02   hands and your arms going into the house [TS]

00:16:04   moving the needle back to the start of [TS]

00:16:07   the out now running and jumping in the [TS]

00:16:09   PO and just listening to cook like with [TS]

00:16:10   this into it 20 times in a row but you [TS]

00:16:12   have to go and restart some h time on [TS]

00:16:14   the record player [TS]

00:16:15   ok that's all I could not imagine a [TS]

00:16:17   world of music that didn't have an [TS]

00:16:19   automatic repeat one if you have to [TS]

00:16:21   Kovac in and reset it manually what a [TS]

00:16:23   pain in the fight [TS]

00:16:25   do you know what it is nothing but a [TS]

00:16:27   happy memory it's pure happiness regular [TS]

00:16:30   see it like I can still see it sitting [TS]

00:16:32   on the record player and I can still see [TS]

00:16:33   like my dripping hands like fiddling [TS]

00:16:36   with the are brilliant yeah just a [TS]

00:16:39   crystal clear memory in your head [TS]

00:16:41   it does seem like a yeah well that's the [TS]

00:16:42   key word there it seems like I'm glad [TS]

00:16:44   you have a happy memory of that Brady [TS]

00:16:46   actually i have gotten a little bit [TS]

00:16:48   vinyl obsessed a because of what we're [TS]

00:16:50   doing in the pride of course and also [TS]

00:16:51   because of the my wife got a record [TS]

00:16:53   player a few weeks ago so we've been [TS]

00:16:55   buying up lots of i know and i went on [TS]

00:16:56   to a bay and i bought a vinyl release [TS]

00:17:00   that came out shortly after the Apollo [TS]

00:17:02   11 landing we could get all the [TS]

00:17:04   highlights of Apollo 11 on vinyl and [TS]

00:17:06   listen to the moon landing again from [TS]

00:17:09   the original NASA recordings i haven't [TS]

00:17:11   put it on yet but I'm gonna have a [TS]

00:17:12   listen to the Apollo 11 as if it's not [TS]

00:17:14   scratchy enough record i'm gonna listen [TS]

00:17:17   to a record player [TS]

00:17:18   I feel like you might be really headed [TS]

00:17:19   towards the deep end of vinyl you you're [TS]

00:17:21   going to be one of those people in six [TS]

00:17:23   months is trying to convince me about [TS]

00:17:24   the superiority of vinyl [TS]

00:17:26   as you're using one of those like vinyl [TS]

00:17:28   oils that you suppose like rub gently [TS]

00:17:30   into the surface of your records and [TS]

00:17:32   like oh yes this is a much better much [TS]

00:17:35   superior experience watch operating [TS]

00:17:37   that's gonna be you in six months [TS]

00:17:38   hang on there's a difference between [TS]

00:17:39   saying one's a superior experience and [TS]

00:17:41   one's a superior sound that's true [TS]

00:17:44   anyway well I'll tell you what we don't [TS]

00:17:46   have to like put ideas out there because [TS]

00:17:47   come November people can listen to a [TS]

00:17:49   hello Internet pisode on vinyl and they [TS]

00:17:52   can tell us which they think is the [TS]

00:17:53   superior experience [TS]

00:17:55   well they're only going to have the [TS]

00:17:56   choice of listening to this episode on [TS]

00:17:57   vinyl so listening to this one on vinyl [TS]

00:17:59   will be the superior experience and the [TS]

00:18:02   only experience [TS]

00:18:03   yeah when you say this one not the one [TS]

00:18:04   we're recording now but the secret room [TS]

00:18:06   we forget a secret one that were [TS]

00:18:07   recording [TS]

00:18:08   yeah that one will never be available in [TS]

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00:20:14   when we haven't been making secret vinyl [TS]

00:20:16   episodes of hello Internet what else [TS]

00:20:18   have you been up to basically you've [TS]

00:20:19   been lounging around the last month [TS]

00:20:21   seven you've got into your and your [TS]

00:20:23   hibernation annual hibernation yeah you [TS]

00:20:28   are a man who takes a vacation like when [TS]

00:20:31   you take a vacation you take a vacation [TS]

00:20:33   I think what you mean by that is that [TS]

00:20:35   I'm slower to respond to you then you [TS]

00:20:38   would like when you know that i am on [TS]

00:20:39   vacation but you don't really know what [TS]

00:20:41   I've been up to Brady I haven't been [TS]

00:20:43   sending you snaps of me by the pool with [TS]

00:20:46   a little alcoholic drink in my hand with [TS]

00:20:48   an umbrella in it you know nothing of [TS]

00:20:50   what I've been up to [TS]

00:20:51   I think all you know is that I don't [TS]

00:20:52   reply as quickly as you would like is [TS]

00:20:54   that a fair assessment [TS]

00:20:55   you don't tweak and you don't produce [TS]

00:20:57   content when you don't release content [TS]

00:21:00   maybe you spent last month making 19 [TS]

00:21:02   videos and you're about to release them [TS]

00:21:04   all at once that is not the case [TS]

00:21:07   no that is that is definitely not the [TS]

00:21:08   case you are correct in that I try to [TS]

00:21:12   shut down great industries as much as I [TS]

00:21:14   possibly can over the summer [TS]

00:21:15   not nearly as much as i would like but [TS]

00:21:17   perhaps more than some other people like [TS]

00:21:19   I feel like in the past month I've been [TS]

00:21:22   very busy because I've been doing a [TS]

00:21:24   bunch of family stuff and family stuff [TS]

00:21:27   is always busy stuff time-consuming [TS]

00:21:30   stuff I've been in America driving [TS]

00:21:33   across the country at one point I was in [TS]

00:21:35   Wyoming for a while and i have to say we [TS]

00:21:38   talked about the Wyoming flag a while [TS]

00:21:41   ago on our flag episode we went through [TS]

00:21:43   all the state flags and do you remember [TS]

00:21:46   Brady what the Wyoming flag looks like [TS]

00:21:48   off the top of your head and that haha i [TS]

00:21:51   look at it now if you want [TS]

00:21:52   yeah you can look at it now [TS]

00:21:53   oh yeah okay it's a bad flag done badly [TS]

00:21:58   is that what you think of the flag of [TS]

00:21:59   Wyoming yeah it's bad flag done badly [TS]

00:22:01   air because they like they said okay [TS]

00:22:02   here's all the things we could do to [TS]

00:22:04   make a bad flag like have a weird [TS]

00:22:07   outline of an animal and put a logo [TS]

00:22:10   honor but then they said what's the [TS]

00:22:11   worst way we could put the logo on it [TS]

00:22:14   oh I know let's like make it too big and [TS]

00:22:16   ill-fitting on the weird animal and [TS]

00:22:18   that's bad to the pair of bad [TS]

00:22:23   let's see now my view of the flag of [TS]

00:22:26   Wyoming is that it is almost great it's [TS]

00:22:30   just the logo stamped across the Buffalo [TS]

00:22:32   is the most terrible thing ever that [TS]

00:22:34   yeah we just to remove that logo this [TS]

00:22:36   flag would be so much better so much [TS]

00:22:38   cooler yes this is what you have to do [TS]

00:22:40   to fix the wiring flag remove the logo [TS]

00:22:44   from on the Buffalo em stylized the [TS]

00:22:47   outline of the Buffalo a little bit so [TS]

00:22:49   it doesn't look like clip made by brady [TS]

00:22:51   and just get the proportion of that box [TS]

00:22:54   and border a little bit different i'm ok [TS]

00:22:56   with the box and border i agree that is [TS]

00:22:57   slightly stylized Buffalo would be an [TS]

00:22:59   improvement but eighty percent of the [TS]

00:23:01   games come from simply removing the [TS]

00:23:03   state seal yeah which is horrific we [TS]

00:23:06   placed at the center of that Buffalo [TS]

00:23:08   don't use the word center because it's [TS]

00:23:11   off center in the flag and it's off [TS]

00:23:13   center on the Buffalo into his office [TS]

00:23:15   enter and badly size as it could be i [TS]

00:23:18   don't know i think they must have been [TS]

00:23:19   having that must be bored in some [TS]

00:23:20   consultants from Liberia help with this [TS]

00:23:22   one looking at possibly possibly i think [TS]

00:23:25   in that old episode i would have said [TS]

00:23:27   what I think about this flag is like boy [TS]

00:23:28   just take away that logo and this is a [TS]

00:23:30   pretty good flag even if you do [TS]

00:23:32   absolutely nothing else and when I was [TS]

00:23:34   in Wyoming the summer I was in a place [TS]

00:23:36   called jackson hole for a while and i [TS]

00:23:39   could not help but notice that almost [TS]

00:23:42   everywhere I saw the flag of Wyoming [TS]

00:23:45   being used as like a logo or being used [TS]

00:23:48   in a poster or on the outside of a store [TS]

00:23:51   or on somebody's hat it's like the [TS]

00:23:54   citizens of Wyoming took it into their [TS]

00:23:55   own hands that that logo doesn't exist [TS]

00:23:58   right they just remove that and is like [TS]

00:24:00   now we're going with our Buffalo flag [TS]

00:24:02   that's awesome [TS]

00:24:03   without the logo so it felt like there [TS]

00:24:05   was a bit of [TS]

00:24:06   citizens spontaneous democracy taking [TS]

00:24:08   place about how to make their flag look [TS]

00:24:11   better of which i vastly improve [TS]

00:24:12   thumbs-up citizens of Wyoming you [TS]

00:24:14   approve but when people don't hello [TS]

00:24:17   Internet you call them rebel scum [TS]

00:24:19   no but they're just having an entirely [TS]

00:24:20   different flag that didn't win the [TS]

00:24:22   referendum that's the Knights different [TS]

00:24:24   you can't you can't support an uprising [TS]

00:24:26   ya ready that's no good right so it's [TS]

00:24:28   okay to tweak the flag but you can't [TS]

00:24:30   just completely change it I see lots of [TS]

00:24:32   people do very interesting things with [TS]

00:24:34   the nail and gear that icon in and of [TS]

00:24:37   itself [TS]

00:24:38   I see lots of interesting things done [TS]

00:24:39   with the flag but if you're just going [TS]

00:24:41   to try to have one of the loser flags [TS]

00:24:43   act as the official flag of hello [TS]

00:24:46   internet it's not cool especially with [TS]

00:24:48   your feet hip fade so i could just the [TS]

00:24:50   other day someone tweeted at me some [TS]

00:24:52   diehard put white cross up briefly on [TS]

00:24:56   the health network if age is the [TS]

00:24:58   official flag and I thought our that [TS]

00:25:02   someone really committed to a losing [TS]

00:25:03   cause there i think you get onto a [TS]

00:25:06   genius idea they're great I in the [TS]

00:25:08   battle for hearts and minds instead of [TS]

00:25:10   flag flag being called the one true flag [TS]

00:25:13   or whatever people like to cola we [TS]

00:25:15   should just start referring to her as [TS]

00:25:16   the loser flag haha because that these [TS]

00:25:20   people are basically that you know their [TS]

00:25:21   totem this standard that are trying to [TS]

00:25:23   take it into the world is a loser flag [TS]

00:25:25   practice right now and gather together [TS]

00:25:27   all of us under this loser flag hanging [TS]

00:25:30   Anna it does rather deflate the car [TS]

00:25:33   doesn't that's all I'm gonna call of now [TS]

00:25:35   on there's another are your team loser [TS]

00:25:39   flag I know all about branding elections [TS]

00:25:45   and I think that might be a winning [TS]

00:25:46   point to hit on there so in my travels [TS]

00:25:50   across America as we have discussed [TS]

00:25:52   previously on the show [TS]

00:25:54   there is always the problem of tipping [TS]

00:25:56   em and while this is my second trip to [TS]

00:26:00   America this summer this time because i [TS]

00:26:02   wasn't just staying in hotels i was [TS]

00:26:04   actually going across the land [TS]

00:26:06   I kept running into this thing which I [TS]

00:26:09   just haven't come across in America [TS]

00:26:11   before they're called square terminals [TS]

00:26:14   for taking payments in America do you [TS]

00:26:16   know what i'm talking about if I say [TS]

00:26:18   square terminal know [TS]

00:26:19   ok America seems to have this horrific [TS]

00:26:23   Lee backwards payment system for [TS]

00:26:26   accepting credit card payments i don't [TS]

00:26:28   understand what's going on in America I [TS]

00:26:30   don't understand why they can't just run [TS]

00:26:31   credit cards like normal people but [TS]

00:26:33   there seems to be this old-fashioned way [TS]

00:26:36   of doing things [TS]

00:26:37   I constantly have to hand my ID to [TS]

00:26:39   people when i'm buying things in America [TS]

00:26:41   it's very annoying but square seems to [TS]

00:26:43   be this company that tries to solve this [TS]

00:26:46   problem by having a little either they [TS]

00:26:49   just have like an iPad that's mounted in [TS]

00:26:51   the store or it set up on the vendors [TS]

00:26:54   phone that you can actually run the [TS]

00:26:55   credit card through a little dongle that [TS]

00:26:57   attaches to the phone and they can take [TS]

00:26:59   credit card payments there and it seems [TS]

00:27:00   like all of a sudden every single store [TS]

00:27:02   everywhere in America is using one of [TS]

00:27:04   these things as a way to try to make [TS]

00:27:06   credit card payment accepting easier [TS]

00:27:08   it's just like boom all of a sudden [TS]

00:27:11   they're everywhere [TS]

00:27:12   ok fine i have no problem with this I [TS]

00:27:14   like things to be easier to but what I [TS]

00:27:16   don't like is that on this system when [TS]

00:27:19   you run your credit card they flip over [TS]

00:27:21   the little iPad so that you can you sign [TS]

00:27:23   your name but before you sign your name [TS]

00:27:25   and every single store it asks you how [TS]

00:27:29   much of a tip that you want to leave em [TS]

00:27:31   every single time they flip over the [TS]

00:27:34   ipad person looks into your eyes and [TS]

00:27:37   there's a bunch of buttons will say like [TS]

00:27:38   two three five ten other or whatever it [TS]

00:27:41   is for tip amount and then there's one [TS]

00:27:44   little button which is like no tip [TS]

00:27:46   because you're a mean person and you [TS]

00:27:49   have to tap that one and then it lets [TS]

00:27:50   you sign the thing doesn't like a sound [TS]

00:27:52   effect when you we had like the god yeah [TS]

00:27:55   it totally should make a sound like that [TS]

00:27:57   even if it doesn't make that sound it's [TS]

00:28:00   psychologically feels like it yeah [TS]

00:28:02   sounds right and this is one of these [TS]

00:28:04   things like in America I also run across [TS]

00:28:07   the situation of every single receipt [TS]

00:28:09   has a space for a tip and i find that [TS]

00:28:12   much more ignora below but i was so [TS]

00:28:14   aware the summer of every single store [TS]

00:28:17   using these square terminals feels like [TS]

00:28:20   a little moment where you have to decide [TS]

00:28:21   if you're going to leave a tip or not [TS]

00:28:23   and I just I can't deal with it Brady i [TS]

00:28:26   find it exhausting i find it like [TS]

00:28:29   weirdly judgy on behalf of the store in [TS]

00:28:32   some ways [TS]

00:28:33   don't know how to get through this i [TS]

00:28:34   mean i'm on your side with this crowd [TS]

00:28:35   you know how I feel about tipping as [TS]

00:28:37   well although I have to say a couple of [TS]

00:28:39   times over the last few weeks I found [TS]

00:28:41   myself in eating establishments in the [TS]

00:28:43   UK where the service has been so poor [TS]

00:28:46   and i have been so riled up and mad at [TS]

00:28:50   the poor serving staff just ignoring me [TS]

00:28:53   ordering a terrible job and me knowing [TS]

00:28:55   they're going to get their salary at the [TS]

00:28:57   end of the week anyway who that I have [TS]

00:28:58   wished they had to work for their tips [TS]

00:29:00   like I wish they had that incentive [TS]

00:29:03   because if they had been nice i would [TS]

00:29:04   have tipped them but I was just thinking [TS]

00:29:05   there [TS]

00:29:06   you've done a terrible job here and i [TS]

00:29:08   have no retribution [TS]

00:29:10   there's nothing i can do all I can do is [TS]

00:29:12   pay my bill at the end and leave and [TS]

00:29:14   you're going to get your salary and your [TS]

00:29:15   boss isn't gonna know what a terrible [TS]

00:29:17   job you did and I did wish they were [TS]

00:29:19   incentivized you want to smite them [TS]

00:29:22   no I don't want to punish them I want [TS]

00:29:24   them to do a good job anything [TS]

00:29:25   centralizing them is what will make them [TS]

00:29:27   do a good job so be it [TS]

00:29:29   because they sure as heck were [TS]

00:29:30   incentivized by their salary because [TS]

00:29:31   they were doing a terrible job so I have [TS]

00:29:34   to say I a couple of times over the last [TS]

00:29:36   few weeks I've had a little flicker of [TS]

00:29:37   tipping does have its benefits but [TS]

00:29:40   overall when all things considered and [TS]

00:29:42   everything is measured a wide i agree [TS]

00:29:44   with you I i would prefer a system where [TS]

00:29:46   people were paid and we didn't have [TS]

00:29:49   these weird tipping scenarios that come [TS]

00:29:51   about [TS]

00:29:51   yeah it's really frustrating and I don't [TS]

00:29:53   like how it just becomes everywhere [TS]

00:29:55   because now i don't understand and i [TS]

00:29:58   have a couple of questions for you but I [TS]

00:30:00   hope you can clarify for me about [TS]

00:30:02   whether or not i'm supposed to tip in a [TS]

00:30:04   particular since you ask is i I'm asking [TS]

00:30:07   you because i feel like i have no idea [TS]

00:30:10   ok ok so here's a question Brady k i'm [TS]

00:30:12   in a hotel yeah i order room service [TS]

00:30:14   yep the room service is delivered to the [TS]

00:30:16   room yep do i tip yes or no yes [TS]

00:30:19   okay how much do i tip do i tip like the [TS]

00:30:22   person is a waiter or do I give them a [TS]

00:30:26   couple bucks [TS]

00:30:27   why don't know what you mean by do I tip [TS]

00:30:29   them as a way i would just give them one [TS]

00:30:32   or two bucks so what I mean by as a [TS]

00:30:33   waiter is do I give them a percentage of [TS]

00:30:35   the food bill [TS]

00:30:36   no not not a percentage of the food bill [TS]

00:30:38   ok this is this is my opinion by the way [TS]

00:30:40   I'm not but listen I just I just need [TS]

00:30:43   someone to tell me that's why would [TS]

00:30:44   because [TS]

00:30:44   I cannot tell you how much anxiety and [TS]

00:30:48   frankly how much radically inconsistent [TS]

00:30:50   tipping i did over the summer because it [TS]

00:30:52   was a bit like I feel ambushed I don't [TS]

00:30:54   know what to do right and I would just [TS]

00:30:55   do something and it was always wrong [TS]

00:30:56   okay you're saying room service just a [TS]

00:30:58   couple bucks to me it's like that's the [TS]

00:31:00   guy that delivers my pizza okay all [TS]

00:31:03   right now the hotel that I'm saying at [TS]

00:31:06   yep [TS]

00:31:07   it ranges a complimentary ride to the [TS]

00:31:10   airport from the hotel yet do you tip [TS]

00:31:12   the driver [TS]

00:31:13   yep yes okay how much do you tip the [TS]

00:31:16   driver usually because I'm in a good [TS]

00:31:19   mode with those people that five bucks [TS]

00:31:21   five bucks [TS]

00:31:22   ok so they get five dollars yeah people [TS]

00:31:24   driving you okay [TS]

00:31:25   it feels to me like if it's a [TS]

00:31:27   complimentary ride I shouldn't have to [TS]

00:31:28   prepare for it in advance with money in [TS]

00:31:30   my pocket but ok ok if it wasn't the [TS]

00:31:32   driver who decided to let you have a [TS]

00:31:34   free [TS]

00:31:34   yeah right but presumably the driver [TS]

00:31:37   isn't there because now he is physically [TS]

00:31:39   changed the inside of the car presumably [TS]

00:31:41   he's there because he's getting paid to [TS]

00:31:43   drive [TS]

00:31:43   yeah probably relate yeah isn't that how [TS]

00:31:46   society like I hope we find people to do [TS]

00:31:48   that I hope so i don't know how they [TS]

00:31:49   rock and Wyoming but then yeah okay so [TS]

00:31:53   now here is the one that I found the [TS]

00:31:55   most confusing and I don't know what to [TS]

00:31:57   do ok so my wife and I were in Las Vegas [TS]

00:32:01   there was a restaurant we were going to [TS]

00:32:02   a bunch of times [TS]

00:32:03   okay in a restaurant is the clearest [TS]

00:32:06   thing I understand what's going on and i [TS]

00:32:08   figure i guess like fifteen to twenty [TS]

00:32:11   percent tip is normal okay i understand [TS]

00:32:13   i can do this [TS]

00:32:14   ok here's the question though yep when I [TS]

00:32:17   go to that restaurant to pick up take [TS]

00:32:21   away food because my wife and I don't [TS]

00:32:23   want to actually spend any time in the [TS]

00:32:24   restaurant yet we just want to go back [TS]

00:32:26   to the room yep and they give me the [TS]

00:32:28   food yet what do i do then do I tip them [TS]

00:32:31   then no no tip at all no tip no tip at [TS]

00:32:35   all on the food not from Brady not from [TS]

00:32:37   Brady ok [TS]

00:32:38   complicating factor you've been there so [TS]

00:32:41   many times that the waitress obviously [TS]

00:32:43   knows who you are and it's the same [TS]

00:32:45   waitress who would normally serve you [TS]

00:32:48   handing you the food that you're taking [TS]

00:32:51   away do you tip yes or no [TS]

00:32:53   well no but if the amount is close to a [TS]

00:32:57   round number [TS]

00:32:58   I might do a cheeky keep the change in a [TS]

00:33:00   wink haha ok yeah ok keep the change in [TS]

00:33:05   a little wing because all this person [TS]

00:33:07   has done his hand you the food they [TS]

00:33:08   haven't liked being shuttling back and [TS]

00:33:10   forward five or six times and making [TS]

00:33:12   conversation with you and smiling a big [TS]

00:33:13   nice all they've done is literally [TS]

00:33:15   picked up a bag and put it in your hand [TS]

00:33:17   but if you've got a relationship with [TS]

00:33:18   the person and you're going to continue [TS]

00:33:20   that relationship and you want to keep [TS]

00:33:21   the report going and you want good [TS]

00:33:24   service next time then it can't hurt [TS]

00:33:25   just to grease the wheels but i think [TS]

00:33:27   there's no tip expectation you think [TS]

00:33:29   there's no tip expectation they're [TS]

00:33:31   certainly not from a certainly not from [TS]

00:33:33   you [TS]

00:33:33   mhm okay final one yep the bellman who [TS]

00:33:38   takes your bags at a hotel normally of [TS]

00:33:41   course I hold on to my bags with my dear [TS]

00:33:42   life because I just want to avoid the [TS]

00:33:43   typical situation right yes it's like [TS]

00:33:45   even if I obviously need help yeah i'm [TS]

00:33:48   going to suffer if it's gonna greatly [TS]

00:33:50   inconvenienced myself because of the [TS]

00:33:52   anxiety over the situation horse but [TS]

00:33:54   when i'm traveling with other people [TS]

00:33:56   there are many bags and it is too much [TS]

00:33:57   for one man to handle so I need the help [TS]

00:34:00   bellman when he takes your bags do you [TS]

00:34:03   tip him then as opposed to what at the [TS]

00:34:06   end when he drops them off ya know you [TS]

00:34:07   you tip when they're dropped off at the [TS]

00:34:09   end [TS]

00:34:09   ok ok but here was my conundrum on the [TS]

00:34:13   final day when I was in Las Vegas [TS]

00:34:15   yeah bellman has to take my bags yeah [TS]

00:34:17   and our flight isn't until much later in [TS]

00:34:20   the day so we're leaving them at the [TS]

00:34:21   hotel [TS]

00:34:22   yeah bellman takes the bags yeah i [TS]

00:34:23   tipped the bellman because i want the [TS]

00:34:25   bags taken well care of during the day [TS]

00:34:27   while i'm gone when I retrieved the bags [TS]

00:34:31   it's the same bellman who is retrieving [TS]

00:34:34   them again do i tip the same bellman [TS]

00:34:35   again like it every time I touch this [TS]

00:34:37   person no I'm sorry you made you've [TS]

00:34:39   already made a mistake you shouldn't [TS]

00:34:40   have tipped him at the stuff I've made a [TS]

00:34:41   mistake okay so you don't tip it when [TS]

00:34:43   you give bag yeah you do it at the end [TS]

00:34:45   when you get bags yeah and like maybe [TS]

00:34:48   it's not the same person but that stuff [TS]

00:34:50   evens out there and it swings and [TS]

00:34:51   roundabouts i'm sure they take it in [TS]

00:34:53   turns up being the first guy and the [TS]

00:34:55   last guy so they get their equal share [TS]

00:34:56   of the tips but i would have given the [TS]

00:34:58   tip at the start I could be wrong [TS]

00:35:00   because i know in America speaking tip [TS]

00:35:02   before they order their drinks which i [TS]

00:35:03   think is strange but I know that's a [TS]

00:35:05   thing so what [TS]

00:35:06   oh god okay i didn't even know that bar [TS]

00:35:09   sometimes you put a tip on the bar [TS]

00:35:10   before you even audio drinks [TS]

00:35:12   because she was like you're laying down [TS]

00:35:13   a marker that you're a good person to [TS]

00:35:14   give good service to but yes he once [TS]

00:35:16   again that just seems like bribery that [TS]

00:35:18   totally seems like bribery and the [TS]

00:35:20   restaurant at the hotel that I'm [TS]

00:35:21   thinking of they had a sign we said [TS]

00:35:23   please do not accept bribes from patrons [TS]

00:35:24   which I thought was really funny [TS]

00:35:26   ok Thank You Brady i will keep these as [TS]

00:35:29   ironclad rules [TS]

00:35:31   yeah for when to tip when not to tip it [TS]

00:35:33   got it right let me ask you something [TS]

00:35:37   yeah I know what your answer is going to [TS]

00:35:39   be but let me ask the wider community of [TS]

00:35:41   teams what they think because this is a [TS]

00:35:43   conundrum i sometimes have and I had the [TS]

00:35:45   other day if you see someone or your you [TS]

00:35:48   may have interaction with them or you [TS]

00:35:50   may just be in passing in there a [TS]

00:35:51   stranger and there is something that [TS]

00:35:53   they could have pointed out to them for [TS]

00:35:55   example a big tags out at the back of [TS]

00:35:57   their clothing or something is hanging [TS]

00:36:00   out of you know their trousers or [TS]

00:36:02   something do you alert them like they're [TS]

00:36:04   fly is unzipped is the kind of thing [TS]

00:36:06   that yeah that's another example that [TS]

00:36:08   some might get some more embarrassing [TS]

00:36:09   example but that's another example do [TS]

00:36:11   you point this out to strangers would [TS]

00:36:12   you say to a stranger on the bus or the [TS]

00:36:14   Train [TS]

00:36:15   excuse me the tags coming out the top of [TS]

00:36:17   the back of your shirt you might want to [TS]

00:36:19   tuck it in because otherwise it's going [TS]

00:36:20   to be out all day would you do that or [TS]

00:36:23   would you just sort of stereo shoes and [TS]

00:36:25   pretend it's not happening [TS]

00:36:26   yeah no don't get involved can get [TS]

00:36:28   involved yep that's the thing i got [TS]

00:36:31   involved once and it was not a good but [TS]

00:36:34   with someone's tag being out was your [TS]

00:36:37   starbucks thing where you know tried to [TS]

00:36:39   help someone basically there was a [TS]

00:36:41   situation where I thought that a woman's [TS]

00:36:44   skirt was riding up in an embarrassing [TS]

00:36:46   way and she was a stranger and i wanted [TS]

00:36:49   to point out and then she yelled at me [TS]

00:36:51   because she was just wearing yoga pants [TS]

00:36:53   and like a funny shirt that was sort of [TS]

00:36:55   half tucked in as like okay [TS]

00:36:58   never again like sorry i thought i was [TS]

00:37:00   going to be helping you out but I [TS]

00:37:01   learned one never get involved and to i [TS]

00:37:05   discovered what yoga pants which I've [TS]

00:37:07   never seen before at least seven good [TS]

00:37:09   came of it but yea once again this kind [TS]

00:37:13   of thing is never rewarded don't do this [TS]

00:37:14   and so now I would not get involved [TS]

00:37:16   definitely not okay with you though [TS]

00:37:18   would you be like oh hey [TS]

00:37:19   well you just reach over and tuck the [TS]

00:37:21   tag in on their shirt which 1i wouldn't [TS]

00:37:23   do that [TS]

00:37:24   usually at a guy would let go but [TS]

00:37:27   sometimes I point things that i was at [TS]

00:37:29   our wedding recently and there was a [TS]

00:37:30   lady there who like something that was [TS]

00:37:32   going wrong with our show very obviously [TS]

00:37:34   and I just felt like she would want to [TS]

00:37:36   know it's a wedding and she was looking [TS]

00:37:38   all pretty and it was a special day and [TS]

00:37:40   she wanted everyone to think she was [TS]

00:37:41   pretty and I didn't want people to be [TS]

00:37:43   talking about the thing wrong with her [TS]

00:37:45   shoe or Dan you know two hours later she [TS]

00:37:47   looked down and there are no I thought [TS]

00:37:49   it would diminish her day so I just [TS]

00:37:51   quietly pointed out to ensure our thank [TS]

00:37:53   you so much and she fixed it up and then [TS]

00:37:54   she could go back to looking fabulous so [TS]

00:37:56   I felt like I did her a favor but [TS]

00:37:58   generally i probably wouldn't say [TS]

00:38:00   anything [TS]

00:38:01   yeah but you can get away with these [TS]

00:38:03   things because you just give a smile and [TS]

00:38:05   that Brady wink just a wink [TS]

00:38:07   yeah yeah yeah there's a little tea [TS]

00:38:09   sounds you give them the link and [TS]

00:38:11   everything's okay i'm not a particularly [TS]

00:38:13   good winger gray i don't think i have a [TS]

00:38:15   sexy wink [TS]

00:38:17   I don't know I've never really been a [TS]

00:38:19   big one to use the winger maybe I don't [TS]

00:38:21   maybe this is a secret weapon I should [TS]

00:38:22   we all out but I've never been a big [TS]

00:38:24   drinker [TS]

00:38:26   it seems like this is something that you [TS]

00:38:28   should do you seem like a man who get [TS]

00:38:30   away with links now I'm not charismatic [TS]

00:38:32   enough I've got friends for winkers [TS]

00:38:35   I don't have the charisma polar wink off [TS]

00:38:36   you don't okay yeah i'm a few levels [TS]

00:38:40   below being able to be a winker you've [TS]

00:38:44   got to have a certain cheeky charm that [TS]

00:38:45   that I haven't got [TS]

00:38:47   I think you have a cheeky time Brady I [TS]

00:38:48   think you should try it out what could [TS]

00:38:50   possibly go wrong i have a small amount [TS]

00:38:52   of cheeky challenge but i do not have [TS]

00:38:53   anywhere near enough cheeky chap to be a [TS]

00:38:55   winker this episode has been sponsored [TS]

00:38:59   by the people of fracture and well I'm [TS]

00:39:02   localized to talk about them this week [TS]

00:39:03   because i've just received my own [TS]

00:39:05   fracture order teams will be aware that [TS]

00:39:07   I recently received a certificate from [TS]

00:39:10   the University of Nottingham and while [TS]

00:39:12   the original is safely stored here in my [TS]

00:39:14   office I thought my parents might [TS]

00:39:16   appreciate their own copy so rather [TS]

00:39:18   ingenious Lee I thought I scanned my [TS]

00:39:21   deployment high-resolution uploaded to [TS]

00:39:24   the fracture website and days later [TS]

00:39:26   received two copies printed onto a piece [TS]

00:39:29   of glass in the fracture style with the [TS]

00:39:31   laser-cut rigid backer ready to hang [TS]

00:39:34   straight out-of-the-box on walls back in [TS]

00:39:36   Australia [TS]

00:39:37   now I thought this was pretty clever and [TS]

00:39:39   I told the fracture people about it only [TS]

00:39:40   to learn this is actually a pretty [TS]

00:39:42   popular thing today so maybe I'm a bit [TS]

00:39:45   late to the party but it's still a cool [TS]

00:39:47   thing and if you have a special document [TS]

00:39:49   like a birth certificate degree some [TS]

00:39:52   kind of prize and you'd like to display [TS]

00:39:54   and a clever way while preserving the [TS]

00:39:56   original well maybe you're onto [TS]

00:39:58   something here to give it a try or maybe [TS]

00:40:00   just a more conventional photo from your [TS]

00:40:02   digital album go to fracture made.com / [TS]

00:40:06   podcast there's a page where you can [TS]

00:40:09   tell them what podcast you come from [TS]

00:40:10   hopefully hello internet and you get ten [TS]

00:40:13   percent off your first order seriously [TS]

00:40:16   give them a look it's a really cool [TS]

00:40:17   service great way to immortalize your [TS]

00:40:19   memories photos on glass ready to hang [TS]

00:40:22   fracture me.com / podcast and by the way [TS]

00:40:26   fractures also running another little [TS]

00:40:28   contest for a child listeners to win one [TS]

00:40:31   of three hundred dollar gift cards to [TS]

00:40:34   win one this time you will tweet or [TS]

00:40:36   Instagram your favorite pet photos could [TS]

00:40:40   be a dog a cat even a boa constrictor [TS]

00:40:43   they say and tagged with act fracture me [TS]

00:40:46   and hashtag pets of H I the deadline to [TS]

00:40:51   be in the running for the vouchers is [TS]

00:40:52   September 26 2016 and in fairness i'm [TS]

00:40:57   not eligible to win them so I'll spare [TS]

00:40:59   your more photos of audrey and Lulu but [TS]

00:41:01   I do look forward to seeing what [TS]

00:41:03   pictures of your pets are posted [TS]

00:41:05   alright say I have a toothbrush update [TS]

00:41:09   oh now my longtime listeners loyal Tim's [TS]

00:41:12   may be aware of the early days of hello [TS]

00:41:15   internet we had some discussions about [TS]

00:41:17   toothbrushes and I like to think I kind [TS]

00:41:20   of introduced you to the world of [TS]

00:41:23   electric toothbrushes which you then [TS]

00:41:25   adopted with gasto is that what happened [TS]

00:41:28   I don't think that's what happened at [TS]

00:41:29   all thought you started using electric [TS]

00:41:30   toothbrushes after i recommend it i feel [TS]

00:41:32   like i'm pretty sure i use an electric [TS]

00:41:34   toothbrush because my wife recommended i [TS]

00:41:36   don't think this was you [TS]

00:41:37   well that is possible she has got nicely [TS]

00:41:39   but anyway the thing is I then went from [TS]

00:41:44   electric toothbrushes back to [TS]

00:41:48   the old leaf and twigs you like to cola [TS]

00:41:50   i went back to and manual toothbrush and [TS]

00:41:52   my reason was as i put it at the time [TS]

00:41:54   was I want to brush my teeth more [TS]

00:41:56   violently right I want to really hit [TS]

00:41:59   them hard push hard and when you do that [TS]

00:42:01   with electric toothbrushes they usually [TS]

00:42:02   stop on things like that it sounded like [TS]

00:42:04   you just got a crap electric toothbrush [TS]

00:42:06   well maybe that maybe that's just to me [TS]

00:42:08   seems like an incredible Brady [TS]

00:42:09   characteristic and they want to feel [TS]

00:42:11   like it's hard and effective even if [TS]

00:42:14   it's less effective I like a good hard [TS]

00:42:16   as nails brush of the taste and I like [TS]

00:42:17   to you know push hard because I feel [TS]

00:42:19   like I'm really attacking the things in [TS]

00:42:22   my mouth that shouldn't be there [TS]

00:42:24   so anyway right that's what happened now [TS]

00:42:27   this seems fine with modern toothbrush [TS]

00:42:29   technology can handle this but in [TS]

00:42:31   another retrograde step when my argue my [TS]

00:42:34   wife recently purchased wooden [TS]

00:42:37   toothbrushes and i believe i sent you a [TS]

00:42:39   photo of one of these because we have a [TS]

00:42:41   very beautiful bathroom and it's very [TS]

00:42:43   old-fashioned and my wife didn't think [TS]

00:42:46   that plastic colorful modern [TS]

00:42:49   toothbrushes looked very nice in the [TS]

00:42:51   antique cuts that we were keeping the [TS]

00:42:53   toothbrushes in yes I can imagine this [TS]

00:42:55   say she found these wooden toothbrushes [TS]

00:42:58   which is basically instead of the usual [TS]

00:43:00   plastic handles would but it's still got [TS]

00:43:02   you know synthetic bristles it's not [TS]

00:43:04   like wooden bracelet with dad yet if you [TS]

00:43:07   give that time [TS]

00:43:08   give it time for a day we're gonna we're [TS]

00:43:11   gonna get the goats here one that later [TS]

00:43:13   this seems inevitable to me because for [TS]

00:43:15   the listeners when I have been to [TS]

00:43:17   brady's house I always have the same [TS]

00:43:19   thought which is this house is [TS]

00:43:21   magnificently appointed is beautiful it [TS]

00:43:24   is decorated really well and it is the [TS]

00:43:27   height of comfort and charm for 1910 [TS]

00:43:32   everything in the house looks like this [TS]

00:43:36   is these pillows are amazing in 1910 [TS]

00:43:39   these bath towels are amazing in 1910 [TS]

00:43:42   and so the fact that you are now slowly [TS]

00:43:44   but inevitably approaching this dental [TS]

00:43:48   hygiene is amazing for 1910 I am 0% [TS]

00:43:52   surprise so its wooden toothbrush today [TS]

00:43:55   goats bristles to that's what's gonna [TS]

00:43:58   happen [TS]

00:43:59   yeah what are we gonna do after the [TS]

00:44:01   vital episode then we're gonna have to [TS]

00:44:02   actually get one of those cylinders [TS]

00:44:04   those metal cylinders that you stay if [TS]

00:44:06   you really are just wait but i was still [TS]

00:44:10   giving it the big treatment and I was [TS]

00:44:12   having a toothbrush the other day [TS]

00:44:14   because you know I brush my teeth once [TS]

00:44:16   awake and now had act that I brush my [TS]

00:44:19   teeth twice a day and I was giving it a [TS]

00:44:21   really big smash because i wanted to [TS]

00:44:22   give him a good claim and something [TS]

00:44:24   completely unexpected happen not [TS]

00:44:26   unexpected uh-huh to fresh so pretty [TS]

00:44:30   much exploded in my mouth and like [TS]

00:44:33   before I knew what was happening my [TS]

00:44:35   mouth was just full of bristles like the [TS]

00:44:37   bristles just went everywhere i'll send [TS]

00:44:39   you a photo because I thought grades [TS]

00:44:41   gonna love this [TS]

00:44:42   basically the wood fired me and it sort [TS]

00:44:45   of split up at the head of the [TS]

00:44:47   toothbrush so my toothbrush was not hard [TS]

00:44:49   as nails and this is what happened [TS]

00:44:52   this is why we make toothbrushes had a [TS]

00:44:55   plastic Brady we don't do it for no [TS]

00:44:58   reason we do it for this reason so that [TS]

00:45:02   it doesn't explode in your mouth you [TS]

00:45:05   don't end up with a mouth full of [TS]

00:45:06   splinters missiles if you're lucky and [TS]

00:45:09   splinters if you aren't right this is [TS]

00:45:13   why we use modern thing well I thought [TS]

00:45:15   I'd give you this one little victory I [TS]

00:45:16   thought you'd get a cheap thrill out of [TS]

00:45:18   saying out technology fire me so [TS]

00:45:20   spectacular [TS]

00:45:21   it's not a cheap thrill it's just it's [TS]

00:45:24   the image of inevitability is what it is [TS]

00:45:26   pretty is just seems like obviously it's [TS]

00:45:28   going to happen to be fair my wife's [TS]

00:45:30   toothbrush is still going great guns i [TS]

00:45:32   think i am quite hard wearing on my [TS]

00:45:35   toothbrushes [TS]

00:45:36   maybe that's the case but you know what [TS]

00:45:38   an answer of just be more delicate with [TS]

00:45:40   your things is a terrible answer who now [TS]

00:45:42   you have to tiptoe around all your [TS]

00:45:44   possessions now I think you're [TS]

00:45:45   ridiculous for wanting to brush your [TS]

00:45:47   teeth really roughly but if you want to [TS]

00:45:49   brush your teeth really roughly your [TS]

00:45:51   toothbrush should stand up to that rough [TS]

00:45:53   treatment that's my perspective on it [TS]

00:45:54   yeah treat that toothbrush rough [TS]

00:45:56   yeah and this this wooden one well I [TS]

00:45:58   guess this is the real question are you [TS]

00:46:00   going to be able to go back to plastic [TS]

00:46:02   toothbrushes or is wood here to stay [TS]

00:46:04   well I'm a necessity is the mother of [TS]

00:46:06   invention as they say i mean iĆ­ve had [TS]

00:46:08   to go back to my reserve plastic [TS]

00:46:09   toothbrushes immediately because [TS]

00:46:11   I didn't even know where my wife found [TS]

00:46:13   wouldn't toothbrushes we haven't ordered [TS]

00:46:15   any more but I don't think I right back [TS]

00:46:17   after this i think you know for me once [TS]

00:46:20   wouldn't toothbrushes but i think i'm [TS]

00:46:25   going to compromise I'm not going [TS]

00:46:27   electric but I can't go back to wood so [TS]

00:46:30   it's gonna have to be plastic manual [TS]

00:46:33   there you go listeners if you were [TS]

00:46:34   considering a wooden toothbrush don't or [TS]

00:46:37   if you are just be careful don't brush [TS]

00:46:40   to her now [TS]

00:46:42   don't do that be careful is a terrible [TS]

00:46:43   answer that's not a good answer at all [TS]

00:46:44   don't do i do look lovely [TS]

00:46:46   they do look nice but the aesthetics of [TS]

00:46:48   the things should not be considered over [TS]

00:46:50   the actual usability and practicality of [TS]

00:46:52   the thing that is a terrible decision I [TS]

00:46:54   don't always agree with that i think [TS]

00:46:55   sometimes you can compromise like you [TS]

00:46:59   look at people like a weekend driving [TS]

00:47:00   around in some old vintage car and [TS]

00:47:03   they're getting blown to bits and they [TS]

00:47:04   look freezing cold with their red-faced [TS]

00:47:06   and they're all drugged up and they're [TS]

00:47:07   going along the motorway at five miles [TS]

00:47:09   an hour and some 1920 car that's not [TS]

00:47:12   practical but it's still beautiful and [TS]

00:47:15   it's still fun you know what I think [TS]

00:47:17   every time I see one of those cars yeah [TS]

00:47:18   I have two thoughts [TS]

00:47:20   yeah one I do agree with you ready I [TS]

00:47:22   think wow that's a good-looking car they [TS]

00:47:25   don't make cars like that i saw a bunch [TS]

00:47:27   of classic American cars this summer and [TS]

00:47:29   every single time I thought good-looking [TS]

00:47:31   car and the second thing I think is if I [TS]

00:47:35   was king [TS]

00:47:36   I would ban all cars older than 10 years [TS]

00:47:38   from driving on the road at all [TS]

00:47:41   they're just deathtraps those old cars [TS]

00:47:43   you shouldn't be allowed to drive them [TS]

00:47:44   if I was king [TS]

00:47:46   I wouldn't let you drive them well thank [TS]

00:47:49   goodness you're not King a I'm just [TS]

00:47:51   trying to save lives [TS]

00:47:52   ok so great I've had quite a good track [TS]

00:47:56   record just lightly with the getting [TS]

00:47:59   cocky you're getting cocky buddy [TS]

00:48:01   now i have had a very good track record [TS]

00:48:03   lately with view of photos have been [TS]

00:48:06   cherry-picking because i still get quite [TS]

00:48:08   a few and i really appreciate them keep [TS]

00:48:09   them coming people and I do try to [TS]

00:48:12   cherry-pick those one or two that I [TS]

00:48:13   think we'll stay on the show and gray [TS]

00:48:16   will allow i have received one that is [TS]

00:48:19   like no other and i'm going to give it a [TS]

00:48:22   try i want to tell you about it [TS]

00:48:24   but I'm taking a risk this time because [TS]

00:48:27   i think what people do while listening [TS]

00:48:29   to hello Internet corner or whatever we [TS]

00:48:31   call this corner [TS]

00:48:32   this is the Maryland flag of view photos [TS]

00:48:35   because there is so much going on and [TS]

00:48:38   it's so dense and it's so full of detail [TS]

00:48:41   and it's such a attack on your senses [TS]

00:48:43   that maybe it's too much blue want to [TS]

00:48:47   give it go ok now you know I like [TS]

00:48:51   setting the same gray know you do so [TS]

00:48:55   settle in ok because i want to talk [TS]

00:48:58   about one of my favorite television [TS]

00:49:00   shows and that is air crash [TS]

00:49:02   investigation [TS]

00:49:03   okay yeah you know or as many Americans [TS]

00:49:07   now at i think it's called Mayday in [TS]

00:49:09   American come on pick up time unless [TS]

00:49:13   think it's not very exciting very [TS]

00:49:15   exciting air crash investigator sounds [TS]

00:49:18   like you're unwrapping something just [TS]

00:49:20   get a little something to eat while I'm [TS]

00:49:21   settling in [TS]

00:49:22   that's why I just I figure we talking [TS]

00:49:24   for a while so I'm unwrapping a protein [TS]

00:49:26   bar [TS]

00:49:27   I'm listening I want me talking to them [TS]

00:49:28   ok so god it's distracting me with your [TS]

00:49:33   protein bahaha can you put it down [TS]

00:49:37   look up or down to and feel that you're [TS]

00:49:39   listening I'm doing nothing but [TS]

00:49:41   listening [TS]

00:49:42   you sound like you've got your mouth [TS]

00:49:43   full of food mm dr. tell me when you are [TS]

00:49:49   I'm sir I'm set it doesn't sound like [TS]

00:49:52   you're set [TS]

00:49:53   okay I'm good I'm good [TS]

00:49:56   yeah have you ever watched an episode of [TS]

00:49:58   the show gray the only time I have seen [TS]

00:50:02   anything of air crash investigator is I [TS]

00:50:05   saw somebody else watching it on a plane [TS]

00:50:08   right and quickly diverted my eyes from [TS]

00:50:10   that is all I have ever seen the show i [TS]

00:50:13   love how you always get his name wrong [TS]

00:50:15   as well it's like such a dead thing to [TS]

00:50:16   persuade his second Roger yeah that's [TS]

00:50:20   good [TS]

00:50:20   I don't want to change that never [TS]

00:50:22   stopped getting that name wrong ok so [TS]

00:50:25   basically they're all sorts of [TS]

00:50:27   components to the show there's like you [TS]

00:50:29   know interviews and archive footage but [TS]

00:50:31   a key part of any episode of air crash [TS]

00:50:34   investigation or Mayday [TS]

00:50:36   little reenactments and then there are [TS]

00:50:39   various roles for actors in these [TS]

00:50:40   reenactments and they're usually pretty [TS]

00:50:42   standardized and the main world's you [TS]

00:50:45   can have is passenger which i think is [TS]

00:50:48   pretty simple your job is to sort of [TS]

00:50:50   look happy and do up a seat belt and [TS]

00:50:52   think everything's wonderful and then [TS]

00:50:53   scream and be terrified for a couple [TS]

00:50:56   minutes at the end right [TS]

00:50:57   the key role i guess the Marquis row you [TS]

00:51:00   can have is pilot the way you have to [TS]

00:51:03   say lots of technical jargon from a [TS]

00:51:04   script that's obviously been given to [TS]

00:51:06   you from a transcript and you have to [TS]

00:51:07   press buttons and look very assured and [TS]

00:51:10   suave except for the last five minutes [TS]

00:51:11   when you have to look absolutely [TS]

00:51:12   terrified and put the sticks and press [TS]

00:51:14   buttons and little things that app but i [TS]

00:51:17   think the unsung hero role of any [TS]

00:51:19   episode of air crash investigation is [TS]

00:51:21   flight controller who and these are the [TS]

00:51:24   people that have to sit behind a screen [TS]

00:51:25   and say lots of things like keep your [TS]

00:51:28   bearing 473 [TS]

00:51:29   roger that see you on the other side and [TS]

00:51:31   it's a pretty boring row except for your [TS]

00:51:35   role in the last five minutes when you [TS]

00:51:36   have to look at a blank screen and the [TS]

00:51:38   puzzled and think where did that thing [TS]

00:51:39   go that was on my screen a minute ago [TS]

00:51:41   these are the key roles yeah yeah yeah I [TS]

00:51:45   just terrified thinking about all the [TS]

00:51:47   things that can go wrong with airplanes [TS]

00:51:48   you don't sorry [TS]

00:51:50   so anyway we had an email from a chat [TS]

00:51:54   named Mike now I think Mike is based in [TS]

00:51:58   Canada Lou I'm an actor who recently [TS]

00:52:01   played a small role on your favorite TV [TS]

00:52:04   show air crash investigation also known [TS]

00:52:07   as Mayday [TS]

00:52:08   I played an air traffic controller in [TS]

00:52:11   the episode about the Lear jet crash of [TS]

00:52:13   pro golfer payne stewart in 1999 one of [TS]

00:52:17   my most interesting plane crashes by the [TS]

00:52:18   way [TS]

00:52:19   oh I don't think I'll win an Emmy for [TS]

00:52:21   the part but I got to work with very [TS]

00:52:23   nice people and I listened to my [TS]

00:52:24   favorite podcast on the lunch break his [TS]

00:52:28   photographic proof from my fake air [TS]

00:52:30   traffic control station so gray here's a [TS]

00:52:33   picture of mike acting looking at the [TS]

00:52:36   screen looking all serious that's from [TS]

00:52:38   the US it appears to be episode one of [TS]

00:52:41   season 16 which is called air crash [TS]

00:52:43   investigation deadly silence have to say [TS]

00:52:46   he looks very serious he looks like a [TS]

00:52:47   really believable [TS]

00:52:49   craft control guy yet so well done mark [TS]

00:52:52   but here's the piece de resistance gray [TS]

00:52:53   coming through now here's a picture from [TS]

00:52:56   the other angle of my cat is pretend air [TS]

00:52:58   traffic control station holding his [TS]

00:53:02   phone listening to an episode of Hello [TS]

00:53:04   internet who I like this how like [TS]

00:53:09   internet on the set of air crash [TS]

00:53:11   investigation [TS]

00:53:12   this is a fantastic things people do [TS]

00:53:14   while listening to the podcast I feel [TS]

00:53:17   like what more can happen there [TS]

00:53:19   we've peaks like you know I thought air [TS]

00:53:21   force one doesn't get better than that [TS]

00:53:23   fighter jet doesn't get better than that [TS]

00:53:26   I thought we reached the pinnacle of [TS]

00:53:27   aviation listening experiences and I [TS]

00:53:31   could only bad dream of [TS]

00:53:34   no no that's not true because i don't [TS]

00:53:36   think i would have had the imagination [TS]

00:53:37   to have dreamt of someone acting on air [TS]

00:53:40   crash investigation listening to hello [TS]

00:53:42   Internet in their lunch break i could [TS]

00:53:44   not have imagined that but you know what [TS]

00:53:46   it has happened that is fantastic [TS]

00:53:49   he has no buttons on his phone on the [TS]

00:53:51   physical phone on his desk that's [TS]

00:53:52   obviously the red phone that you pick up [TS]

00:53:54   out so I mean you don't need buttons [TS]

00:53:56   when you pick up the red fine because [TS]

00:53:57   that can that can only mean one thing [TS]

00:54:00   good news because it's happy birthday [TS]

00:54:03   that's what that means no Mike did send [TS]

00:54:06   me a link to the episode on youtube and [TS]

00:54:09   other operating I can watch him in [TS]

00:54:11   action because i haven't seen that [TS]

00:54:12   episode on real TV but when I went to it [TS]

00:54:15   said this video is no longer fight never [TS]

00:54:17   ending to a copyright by thought about [TS]

00:54:19   your channels LLC so I think Mike you [TS]

00:54:22   may have sent me a link to a little bit [TS]

00:54:23   of freebooting there it's okay because [TS]

00:54:27   this is a fantastic listener photo that [TS]

00:54:29   just adds to the perfect storm of hello [TS]

00:54:31   internetting this of it that he tried to [TS]

00:54:33   show me a freebooter deficit it really [TS]

00:54:35   does this is absolutely great [TS]

00:54:37   that is fantastic so you think this is [TS]

00:54:41   the the pinnacle of aviation listener [TS]

00:54:44   photos [TS]

00:54:45   well what I'm wondering is can people [TS]

00:54:49   download podcasts in space [TS]

00:54:51   I mean yeah you must be able listen to [TS]

00:54:53   podcast in space does NASA allow them to [TS]

00:54:56   have the bandwidth for that I wonder [TS]

00:54:58   I've mastered that the stuff they watch [TS]

00:54:59   out there they've got a really fast [TS]

00:55:01   connection up to [TS]

00:55:01   the International Space Station these [TS]

00:55:03   days i do they ya must make it tolerable [TS]

00:55:06   I mean you can watch constant streaming [TS]

00:55:08   HD video of the space station itself you [TS]

00:55:12   know views from alive thats download [TS]

00:55:14   that's not necessarily there upload [TS]

00:55:16   speed download upload I bet it's not a [TS]

00:55:17   symmetrical connection now you're right [TS]

00:55:19   you are but I imagine it's pretty high i [TS]

00:55:20   don't know what the uplink speed is will [TS]

00:55:23   find that out that people know I [TS]

00:55:24   mentioned most astronauts would load up [TS]

00:55:26   there a podcast play with hello internet [TS]

00:55:28   before they leave the planet anyway just [TS]

00:55:30   to be sure that's what most astronauts [TS]

00:55:32   it [TS]

00:55:33   yeah of course now i agree with you that [TS]

00:55:36   has to be the case okay Lupo no we [TS]

00:55:37   haven't had any news of hello Internet [TS]

00:55:39   in space yet but i don't i I'm still not [TS]

00:55:41   sure that space would trump air crash [TS]

00:55:43   investigation [TS]

00:55:45   it's a question vestigation it is a bit [TS]

00:55:47   of her hello Jeanette perfect storm here [TS]

00:55:49   this is fantastic [TS]

00:55:51   thank you Mike for sending this in to [TS]

00:55:53   Brady defined by the way always send [TS]

00:55:55   your photos to breathe should keep [TS]

00:55:57   playing Crash gonna going for a minute [TS]

00:55:59   or let's do that while their plane [TS]

00:56:02   crashed cornering yep there's something [TS]

00:56:04   that you wanted to discuss plane crash [TS]

00:56:06   corner wise well like most people with [TS]

00:56:08   an interest in aviation incidence my [TS]

00:56:11   fade this week did fill up with chatter [TS]

00:56:16   about an airship crash there had been a [TS]

00:56:19   crash of an airship and there was video [TS]

00:56:21   footage over and everyone was linking to [TS]

00:56:23   the video and as you can imagine this [TS]

00:56:25   was cause for some excitement airship [TS]

00:56:27   crash I mean there's one thing you think [TS]

00:56:29   isn't there [TS]

00:56:31   Hindenburg you think and this is gonna [TS]

00:56:33   be big-time this is going to be [TS]

00:56:35   spectacular [TS]

00:56:36   so I click on this link to watch this [TS]

00:56:38   airship crash a dread that it had like [TS]

00:56:42   click the pole and things and I thought [TS]

00:56:44   this is going to be amazing and it was [TS]

00:56:47   this airship called a land 10 i think [TS]

00:56:50   it's cold it's the biggest aircraft in [TS]

00:56:51   the world it had its first flight the [TS]

00:56:54   week before this was a second flight and [TS]

00:56:57   it crashed [TS]

00:56:58   can you believe on a second flight so i [TS]

00:57:01   watch this video and i have to say not [TS]

00:57:05   the most exciting aircraft have ever [TS]

00:57:07   said gray have you seen this you send [TS]

00:57:12   this video to me [TS]

00:57:14   and said I want to show you this air [TS]

00:57:17   crash [TS]

00:57:18   yeah and of course because i'm not [TS]

00:57:20   really in this world when you say [TS]

00:57:22   airship it doesn't even cross my mind [TS]

00:57:24   about the Hindenburg I'm just thinking [TS]

00:57:26   like a plane and so I loaded up and go [TS]

00:57:27   ahh thats weird i didn't really know [TS]

00:57:29   that we still made these things and I [TS]

00:57:31   think this is like a relic of the past [TS]

00:57:32   and and then watching the video is very [TS]

00:57:36   slow [TS]

00:57:37   I wasn't even able to watch the whole [TS]

00:57:39   thing I had to jump around in my youtube [TS]

00:57:42   player because i like I cannot wait for [TS]

00:57:45   this airship to slowly approached the [TS]

00:57:48   ground and very gently make contact it [TS]

00:57:52   was more of an air kiss than air crash [TS]

00:57:54   wasn't it kinda guy i don't know the [TS]

00:57:56   motion to describe it I'm sure on the [TS]

00:57:58   inside it was not like this but from [TS]

00:58:00   watching it occur it looks like it's a [TS]

00:58:02   gentle bounce of the beach ball in [TS]

00:58:05   moon's gravity right is what it looked [TS]

00:58:08   that's that's where watching this is [TS]

00:58:11   like before I'd seen the footage i read [TS]

00:58:13   that i had nosedived and also give Wow [TS]

00:58:16   and nose-diving airship that's amazing i [TS]

00:58:18   would describe it as more of a belly [TS]

00:58:20   flop meets a nosedive almost like a chin [TS]

00:58:23   flop sort of gently falls down chin [TS]

00:58:26   first I mean the exciting thing is the [TS]

00:58:28   cockpit of this airship happens to be [TS]

00:58:30   right where it hit the ground who so it [TS]

00:58:32   did give the cockpit of a smash [TS]

00:58:34   thankfully the pilots weren't injured [TS]

00:58:37   I can't see how they could be really [TS]

00:58:38   good it's for this on their beach ball [TS]

00:58:41   on the moon but the thing it did make me [TS]

00:58:44   think is just like an airship can't seem [TS]

00:58:48   to even do a crash properly and food as [TS]

00:58:52   much as I like things old-school and [TS]

00:58:53   we've been talking about how I like [TS]

00:58:55   things old-school in this episode [TS]

00:58:56   airships to me feel like the technology [TS]

00:59:00   or the invention that humanity just [TS]

00:59:01   refuses to let go haha [TS]

00:59:05   despite the fact it's just not gonna [TS]

00:59:07   happen like it's like airships don't [TS]

00:59:09   realize we're just not that into them [TS]

00:59:10   and they just keep trying and like [TS]

00:59:15   obviously the Hindenburg was different [TS]

00:59:16   with the hydrogen and that you know we [TS]

00:59:17   don't use the flammable gases anymore [TS]

00:59:19   but apparently this thing this thing [TS]

00:59:22   called air land at ten was originally [TS]

00:59:24   commissioned by this company they're [TS]

00:59:26   going to make it for like the US [TS]

00:59:27   military [TS]

00:59:28   he is like a surveillance type thing and [TS]

00:59:31   then obviously the military came to [TS]

00:59:32   their senses and was thinking what the [TS]

00:59:34   hell will be drinking with a client [TS]

00:59:35   contract but the company said are now [TS]

00:59:38   we're going to keep going we're gonna [TS]

00:59:39   make him into passenger things are going [TS]

00:59:41   to find all these other uses for them [TS]

00:59:43   and they're talking about all these [TS]

00:59:44   things they think that their land attend [TS]

00:59:46   could be used for but i just think that [TS]

00:59:49   airships like I think they're kind of [TS]

00:59:51   cool and you know there is a romance to [TS]

00:59:54   them but they're just not gonna happen [TS]

00:59:57   I like that people keep making them and [TS]

00:59:59   it keeps [TS]

00:59:59   it keeps [TS]

01:00:00   they entertained but i would want to be [TS]

01:00:02   buying shares and put it that way I [TS]

01:00:04   wouldn't want my money to be on the [TS]

01:00:05   block [TS]

01:00:06   i'm looking at the at the wikipedia page [TS]

01:00:08   for these airships yeah it's hot and [TS]

01:00:11   vibrant air vehicles is the company and [TS]

01:00:13   air land 10 is this is the biggest [TS]

01:00:15   aircraft in the world is nearly a [TS]

01:00:16   hundred meters long [TS]

01:00:17   I mean just looking at pictures of [TS]

01:00:19   Zeppelin's and all of this stuff [TS]

01:00:21   this to me looks like a transport [TS]

01:00:24   vehicle that might be best suited for a [TS]

01:00:28   human colony on Jupiter it seems like on [TS]

01:00:31   earth [TS]

01:00:32   anyway this is poorly optimized in every [TS]

01:00:35   way [TS]

01:00:35   its enormous ik take up an enormous [TS]

01:00:39   amount of space [TS]

01:00:40   yeah it seems like they hold a minuscule [TS]

01:00:43   amount of cargo or passengers and they [TS]

01:00:46   seem to travel very slowly so slowly [TS]

01:00:50   they can even crash properly but also I [TS]

01:00:53   mean what the military doing even [TS]

01:00:55   thinking about these things like the [TS]

01:00:56   military the last people like we all [TS]

01:00:59   know the saying you brought a knife to a [TS]

01:01:00   gunfight they bring them balloon to a [TS]

01:01:03   gunfight [TS]

01:01:04   yeah like yeah it's not stealthy it's [TS]

01:01:07   not still be it must be the easier you [TS]

01:01:09   know a kid with a slingshot could [TS]

01:01:10   probably bring it to the ground [TS]

01:01:12   uh-huh anyway there is one thing i was [TS]

01:01:15   looking at some pictures over and [TS]

01:01:17   understand Eunice this is one picture of [TS]

01:01:19   it which has been doing the rounds of it [TS]

01:01:21   lightly and it's on the wikipedia page [TS]

01:01:22   and so I think it's a publicity shot of [TS]

01:01:24   of the front of the airship tell me your [TS]

01:01:27   thoughts on this [TS]

01:01:28   it looks like a but it looks like looks [TS]

01:01:30   like big bomb it's completely does and [TS]

01:01:34   funnily enough as sophisticated as [TS]

01:01:36   grades are great and seemed to be one of [TS]

01:01:38   my friends who recognizes these funny [TS]

01:01:41   pictures more than anyone so I thought [TS]

01:01:43   you'd be amused by and i even i thought [TS]

01:01:45   that looks like a bumps are grazed [TS]

01:01:46   differently going to think it looks like [TS]

01:01:47   a bump and then I went was doing a bit [TS]

01:01:49   more googling about the airship because [TS]

01:01:51   it's actually called Martha Quinn that's [TS]

01:01:53   not new and I think that's an [TS]

01:01:55   interesting name [TS]

01:01:56   you know we like discussing how things [TS]

01:01:57   are named so I decided to look up why is [TS]

01:01:59   it called Martha Quinn and I googled [TS]

01:02:01   Martha Quinn and the first article i [TS]

01:02:04   found was mail online i'm afraid to save [TS]

01:02:06   anyway and the headline is the flying [TS]

01:02:09   bomb in quick man except that [TS]

01:02:11   is officially christened Martha Quinn [TS]

01:02:13   and that this was the point I found out [TS]

01:02:15   that this thing has been called the [TS]

01:02:17   flying bomb for ages and has been names [TS]

01:02:19   and people have been doing pictures of [TS]

01:02:20   it and so obviously is it's not a nice [TS]

01:02:23   look and in case you're wondering the [TS]

01:02:24   flying bomb being named Martha Quinn is [TS]

01:02:28   named after the company CEOs wife is [TS]

01:02:32   Martha because i thought this must be [TS]

01:02:33   some aviator I've never heard of you [TS]

01:02:36   know I thought it was gonna be a clever [TS]

01:02:37   name but it was just not phillip quinn [TS]

01:02:39   he's the chairman of hybrid vehicles and [TS]

01:02:42   his wife Martha Quinn sounds like a [TS]

01:02:44   derring-do person from the 1920s it does [TS]

01:02:46   it's ok it's a cool name but I can [TS]

01:02:48   already imagine her in a black-and-white [TS]

01:02:50   photograph with her goggles on [TS]

01:02:52   about to step aboard in a Zeppelin I can [TS]

01:02:55   totally see this but apparently that I [TS]

01:02:57   wonder what she thinks when she opens up [TS]

01:02:59   her daily mile and it says the flying [TS]

01:03:01   bomb is officially christened Martha [TS]

01:03:03   Quinn thanks love [TS]

01:03:05   thanks for that thanks for making my [TS]

01:03:08   name or two right by putting on [TS]

01:03:09   something that looks like a bum and [TS]

01:03:11   crashed on a second flat and not only [TS]

01:03:13   any bum an enormous bomb [TS]

01:03:15   perhaps the biggest that humans have [TS]

01:03:17   ever built but looking through the [TS]

01:03:22   wikipedia article the only thing that I [TS]

01:03:23   see here that is remotely oh maybe [TS]

01:03:26   that's what modern airships could be [TS]

01:03:28   used for is that the original design [TS]

01:03:31   plan was for long-term unmanned aerial [TS]

01:03:37   vehicles [TS]

01:03:38   yeah for surveillance and target [TS]

01:03:40   acquisition yeah and it feels like okay [TS]

01:03:43   I can kind of see that I know that [TS]

01:03:46   there's a big question about [TS]

01:03:47   surveillance and equipment in the [TS]

01:03:50   military and this idea of being able to [TS]

01:03:51   have a essentially permanent never has [TS]

01:03:55   to land fleet of surveillance vehicles [TS]

01:03:57   yeah and maybe I could I can imagine [TS]

01:03:59   that an airship when you just fill it [TS]

01:04:02   all up it has very low power [TS]

01:04:03   requirements it could serve as an [TS]

01:04:07   unmanned surveillance vehicle in an area [TS]

01:04:09   where you don't really care about being [TS]

01:04:11   sneaky like you already have troops on [TS]

01:04:12   the ground and you're just going to fill [TS]

01:04:14   the skies with a bunch of these vehicles [TS]

01:04:17   so may we that's a legitimate use case [TS]

01:04:21   but otherwise they do just seem comical [TS]

01:04:22   and looking like a gigantic bomb does [TS]

01:04:24   not help ya with the ridiculous picture [TS]

01:04:27   using Thank You internet Brady has sent [TS]

01:04:32   me a clever photoshop combination of kim [TS]

01:04:36   kardashian and the gigantic but i'll [TS]

01:04:41   leave it to your imagination and [TS]

01:04:43   possibly the show okay so speaking of [TS]

01:04:49   Technology self-driving cars great yet [TS]

01:04:52   again i am going to mia culper apologize [TS]

01:04:57   and fold your fate because every day [TS]

01:05:01   that goes by I realize how right you [TS]

01:05:04   were and how wrong I was about how [TS]

01:05:05   quickly self-driving cars were going to [TS]

01:05:09   be a thing like I knew they were going [TS]

01:05:11   to be a thing but this is just moving so [TS]

01:05:14   quickly now [TS]

01:05:15   yeah i just had a quick little thing [TS]

01:05:16   that I want to put in the show notes so [TS]

01:05:18   i think it's a real moment so last time [TS]

01:05:22   we talked about self-driving cars i [TS]

01:05:24   think i mentioned that uber getting into [TS]

01:05:26   the business of self-driving cars to me [TS]

01:05:28   was the most interesting news because if [TS]

01:05:30   there was any company have would push [TS]

01:05:33   ahead relentlessly being openly [TS]

01:05:36   disdainful about having to pay all of [TS]

01:05:38   the employees and not caring it was uber [TS]

01:05:41   and I thought we might get there first [TS]

01:05:42   but it seems like out of nowhere this [TS]

01:05:46   company i have never heard of called new [TS]

01:05:50   tana me has partnered with the [TS]

01:05:53   city-state of singapore who doesn't love [TS]

01:05:55   city-states and on Thursday are going to [TS]

01:05:59   have the world's first fleet of [TS]

01:06:03   self-driving cars operating in singapore [TS]

01:06:06   it's a small number it's going to be six [TS]

01:06:09   there are some limitations about where [TS]

01:06:11   in the city they're going to go but it's [TS]

01:06:13   going to be the first time that there [TS]

01:06:16   are actual taxis that people can use [TS]

01:06:18   that will not be driven by humans [TS]

01:06:22   anywhere in the world there's a whole [TS]

01:06:23   bunch of asterisks on this but i still [TS]

01:06:25   think it is a interesting point to be at [TS]

01:06:29   and they've gone for a cute-looking [TS]

01:06:31   car then ubers Apache helicopter version [TS]

01:06:34   right yes [TS]

01:06:35   movers evil empire cars while cool not [TS]

01:06:39   friendly [TS]

01:06:40   yeah autonomy is going with the with the [TS]

01:06:42   friendly look it looks like they're [TS]

01:06:43   beating uber to do this by just a few [TS]

01:06:47   weeks because it's obviously is it [TS]

01:06:50   Pittsburghers at philadelphia i can't [TS]

01:06:52   remember where Hooper's doing that it is [TS]

01:06:53   is America [TS]

01:06:54   yeah whoever is going to do the same [TS]

01:06:55   thing with the self-driving cars what [TS]

01:06:57   they're both doing just for the time [TS]

01:06:59   being and for safety records that they [TS]

01:07:00   are going to actually have somebody in [TS]

01:07:02   the car like as a just in case is yeah [TS]

01:07:05   that doesn't can I think it totally [TS]

01:07:07   counts because if the person is not [TS]

01:07:09   driving if they're just there for [TS]

01:07:11   basically insurance purposes I view this [TS]

01:07:13   is like whatever I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

01:07:16   if this is just entirely to allay [TS]

01:07:18   people's concerns just for the time [TS]

01:07:20   being but like if humans aren't touching [TS]

01:07:21   the wheel is good enough for me it [TS]

01:07:23   doesn't matter if there's somebody in [TS]

01:07:24   the front here your fried but it's still [TS]

01:07:26   not quite the side it's not the magic [TS]

01:07:28   moment when there's just nothing there [TS]

01:07:30   it's not like KITT from Knight Riders [TS]

01:07:31   and no no it's not kit from Knight Rider [TS]

01:07:33   coming to pick you up here so that's why [TS]

01:07:35   i was saying before like there's a bunch [TS]

01:07:36   of asterisk around this but I'm still [TS]

01:07:38   saying this is a functional self-driving [TS]

01:07:41   car even if it's only in a confined area [TS]

01:07:43   even if there's still somebody in the [TS]

01:07:45   front seat is just another example to me [TS]

01:07:47   of like working technology a little bit [TS]

01:07:50   surprised still about the fast push for [TS]

01:07:53   the individual taxes because I still [TS]

01:07:55   always think like the low-hanging fruit [TS]

01:07:57   on this is self-driving long-haul [TS]

01:08:00   trucking like I really thought that [TS]

01:08:02   would be the very first place that this [TS]

01:08:04   happens even just like on the interstate [TS]

01:08:06   self driving trucks you know going from [TS]

01:08:08   like a depot outside of New York to a [TS]

01:08:10   Depot outside of San Francisco and he [TS]

01:08:12   was picking up the last mile but it [TS]

01:08:14   looks like human taxis are going to be [TS]

01:08:15   the first one and moving fast go [TS]

01:08:18   self-driving cars still counts even if [TS]

01:08:20   there's someone in the front seat which [TS]

01:08:22   does make it a little [TS]

01:08:23   what's the current state of play with [TS]

01:08:24   nomenclature I've seen Otto is popping [TS]

01:08:27   up a little bit lightly but I have you I [TS]

01:08:30   have nothing that i have not seen that [TS]

01:08:32   when i'm not sure if i should say this [TS]

01:08:33   but i am i'm working on a video which [TS]

01:08:36   may or may not be out either just before [TS]

01:08:38   or just after this podcast comes out [TS]

01:08:40   but I am mentioning self-driving cars in [TS]

01:08:44   the video i had a long think about it [TS]

01:08:46   like how do I want to do this and for [TS]

01:08:49   clarity's sake i decided to go with [TS]

01:08:51   self-driving car because I I don't [TS]

01:08:53   mention them very much in the video and [TS]

01:08:57   I thought you know what I don't want to [TS]

01:08:58   do I don't want to try to push what I [TS]

01:08:59   think is a term that is not going to win [TS]

01:09:01   for the difficulty of immediate [TS]

01:09:04   understanding for someone watching the [TS]

01:09:06   video so even in my own style guide i [TS]

01:09:09   have back to Hondo even though i totally [TS]

01:09:11   love it here is a question then in one [TS]

01:09:13   of your videos would you use the term [TS]

01:09:16   freebooting for copyright infringement [TS]

01:09:18   and uploading unauthorized media i would [TS]

01:09:23   not right i think if i was making a [TS]

01:09:25   video i'm trying to think this [TS]

01:09:28   circumstance where it would come up like [TS]

01:09:30   if it wasn't just a jokey reference in a [TS]

01:09:32   jokey way be happy to do freebooting and [TS]

01:09:34   I think if I was doing another video on [TS]

01:09:36   copyright infringement I would not use [TS]

01:09:39   the term freebooting I'd obviously you [TS]

01:09:42   tracking you break my heart just a [TS]

01:09:44   little bit i'm sorry Brady but i think [TS]

01:09:47   it's the same thing about when you're [TS]

01:09:49   making a video it's a question of [TS]

01:09:50   clarity and immediate understandability [TS]

01:09:53   to the audience like the point of [TS]

01:09:56   language is to convey an idea [TS]

01:10:00   I'm just cautious about using any kind [TS]

01:10:02   of terminology sometimes you've got to [TS]

01:10:04   be a later [TS]

01:10:05   sometimes you've gotta take the flame [TS]

01:10:07   and run with it other times you don't [TS]

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01:12:29   great there was a new story for people [TS]

01:12:32   at all i was about to say for people who [TS]

01:12:34   don't know no one knows except you and I [TS]

01:12:37   we intend to record this episode a few [TS]

01:12:39   days ago and we had a technical problem [TS]

01:12:42   it was a graze and I hasten to add his [TS]

01:12:44   computer basically died on us [TS]

01:12:46   yep so we didn't record the episode but [TS]

01:12:49   about an hour before we were going to [TS]

01:12:51   record the episode a big news story [TS]

01:12:54   broken was all over my twitter feed and [TS]

01:12:56   it was all over the internet and this [TS]

01:12:58   was the discovery of an exoplanet around [TS]

01:13:03   the star Proxima Centauri which is the [TS]

01:13:05   closest star [TS]

01:13:06   to the Sun and the second closest star [TS]

01:13:10   to earth after the Sun so this was a big [TS]

01:13:13   deal and before we talk about that and I [TS]

01:13:14   do want to talk about it but before we [TS]

01:13:16   do it was a very interesting reminder to [TS]

01:13:19   me of something that great always talks [TS]

01:13:21   about about the importance of new [TS]

01:13:23   stories because at the time it seemed [TS]

01:13:26   like such a cracking story and I'll i [TS]

01:13:28   was reasonably excited about it and I [TS]

01:13:30   think we've got to talk about on the [TS]

01:13:31   podcast it's awesome like it's going to [TS]

01:13:34   be so much to talk about and then we had [TS]

01:13:36   to cancel their recording and do a [TS]

01:13:38   couple of days later I thought I can't [TS]

01:13:40   still going to be a big stories to a [TS]

01:13:42   really interesting and you know what two [TS]

01:13:44   or three days later [TS]

01:13:45   nothing it's just disappeared like it [TS]

01:13:48   never happened [TS]

01:13:49   it's disappeared into the ether like all [TS]

01:13:51   these stories day it was a nice little [TS]

01:13:53   reminder of Gray's little stories about [TS]

01:13:56   new stories that make a deal but that's [TS]

01:13:59   what I'm saying [TS]

01:13:59   yeah every one of these seems like it's [TS]

01:14:02   the most important thing in the moment [TS]

01:14:04   yeah and lo han these three days later [TS]

01:14:08   yeah it's already totally disappeared [TS]

01:14:10   but before I put more coal onto the fire [TS]

01:14:13   of grace Magnus let us move on because i [TS]

01:14:16   am a bit cynical about exoplanets to [TS]

01:14:18   which we may come to the reasons for [TS]

01:14:19   that in a minute [TS]

01:14:20   oh yeah but i do want to talk about the [TS]

01:14:22   story because even though it has died [TS]

01:14:24   down a bit [TS]

01:14:25   I think it's still pretty cool story and [TS]

01:14:27   I know literally nothing about this and [TS]

01:14:30   i would like to hear what the new story [TS]

01:14:32   was I haven't heard about it in in that [TS]

01:14:33   show these these astronomers it was [TS]

01:14:35   announced to the european southern [TS]

01:14:37   observatory press conference because [TS]

01:14:38   they've been using ESO telescopes will [TS]

01:14:41   do the work [TS]

01:14:42   this team has discovered that there is [TS]

01:14:46   they will call it an earthlike or [TS]

01:14:49   earth-sized planet orbiting the star [TS]

01:14:52   Proxima Centauri which is the closest [TS]

01:14:54   star to a son and its orbiting the star [TS]

01:14:58   in what they call the habitable zone [TS]

01:15:02   this is the zone at which temperatures [TS]

01:15:04   would allow water to be a liquid so it [TS]

01:15:06   wouldn't be frozen solid or a wooden boy [TS]

01:15:08   away because it's too close this gets [TS]

01:15:10   everyone excited because this raises the [TS]

01:15:12   possibility of life you've got liquid [TS]

01:15:14   water you've got a rocky planet which [TS]

01:15:16   could you know sustain life [TS]

01:15:18   that's the story and not show for people [TS]

01:15:21   who are not particularly interested in [TS]

01:15:22   astronomy and stars which from my [TS]

01:15:25   experience is most people i should point [TS]

01:15:28   out that Proxima Centauri is a very [TS]

01:15:30   small starts a red dwarf star and [TS]

01:15:32   amazingly considering its the closest [TS]

01:15:34   star to us after the Sun you cannot see [TS]

01:15:36   it in the sky [TS]

01:15:37   that's our fainted is so the nearest [TS]

01:15:40   star to us [TS]

01:15:40   you cannot see you can see Alpha [TS]

01:15:43   Centauri and is part of the Alpha [TS]

01:15:45   Centauri system which is two stars alpha [TS]

01:15:47   and beta Centauri and they think but [TS]

01:15:50   they're not sure interestingly enough [TS]

01:15:51   for something reasonably close they [TS]

01:15:53   think Proxima Centauri is sort of part [TS]

01:15:55   of this system it's a triple system that [TS]

01:15:58   Proxima Centauri's a little p star far [TS]

01:16:01   away orbiting very slowly around the two [TS]

01:16:03   bigger ones so there we go that's the [TS]

01:16:05   story now I think this is really [TS]

01:16:07   interesting obviously finding exoplanets [TS]

01:16:10   has become an industry and it's actually [TS]

01:16:12   an automated process now little most [TS]

01:16:15   exoplanets found automatically and i [TS]

01:16:17   might point out that this new planet [TS]

01:16:19   they have found around proxima centauri [TS]

01:16:22   they haven't seen it they can't see it [TS]

01:16:24   all they do is they measure the [TS]

01:16:26   gravitational effect that this planet [TS]

01:16:29   has on the star as it goes around just [TS]

01:16:32   like the star has a huge effect on the [TS]

01:16:34   planet the planet has a little effect on [TS]

01:16:36   the star and the style balls a little [TS]

01:16:38   bit because the planets going around [TS]

01:16:39   this little wobble of the star causes a [TS]

01:16:42   very slight movement in the light from [TS]

01:16:45   the star will get red shifted or [TS]

01:16:46   blue-shifted presumably relative to us [TS]

01:16:49   and they measure this very accurately [TS]

01:16:51   and from that they deduce a whole bunch [TS]

01:16:53   of things about the planet which is [TS]

01:16:55   terribly disappointing when you hear [TS]

01:16:56   that and you realize no one's actually [TS]

01:16:57   seen the planet they just say it's there [TS]

01:17:00   because they measure a wobble right [TS]

01:17:02   where people want is a photograph of a [TS]

01:17:03   planet with jungles lots of people are [TS]

01:17:05   looking for and astronomers who are very [TS]

01:17:08   good at marketing themselves are very [TS]

01:17:10   aware of that and they never announce [TS]

01:17:11   anything without artist impressions of [TS]

01:17:13   everything to help [TS]

01:17:14   so if you go online you see a million [TS]

01:17:16   pictures of this planet going around the [TS]

01:17:19   star and views from its surface and all [TS]

01:17:21   sorts of things but obviously these are [TS]

01:17:22   just all made up [TS]

01:17:23   I think this is quite interesting in the [TS]

01:17:25   world of exoplanet hunting though [TS]

01:17:27   because people are always trying to up [TS]

01:17:29   the ante with how many planets they [TS]

01:17:30   found and you [TS]

01:17:31   howarth like it could be and how good [TS]

01:17:33   they're getting out up but in a way [TS]

01:17:35   finding a planet in the habitable zone [TS]

01:17:39   that is Earth like around the closest [TS]

01:17:41   star to us it like ends the game in a [TS]

01:17:44   way doesn't know that's the holy grail [TS]

01:17:46   of exoplanets oh yeah if you could find [TS]

01:17:50   any exoplanet that would cause the most [TS]

01:17:52   excitement it would be on the closest [TS]

01:17:55   star to ask that's the easiest to get to [TS]

01:17:56   and it wouldn't be some supergiant and [TS]

01:17:59   it wouldn't be something you couldn't [TS]

01:18:00   leave honor to be a rocky one where [TS]

01:18:02   water could be liquid and that now [TS]

01:18:03   they're saying they've got up so why I'm [TS]

01:18:06   not for a second suggesting this is the [TS]

01:18:08   end of the world of exoplanet hunting [TS]

01:18:10   and things like that [TS]

01:18:11   obviously it's still just the beginning [TS]

01:18:13   in a way this announcement has trumped [TS]

01:18:15   everything any announcement that comes [TS]

01:18:17   after this to me seems like kind of [TS]

01:18:21   inferior doesn't like that's an [TS]

01:18:23   excellent point [TS]

01:18:24   this is Top Trumps this is the one this [TS]

01:18:26   is the dream one you're totally right [TS]

01:18:29   every announcement after this one is by [TS]

01:18:32   definition boring our yeah it's like all [TS]

01:18:34   could this have humans one day [TS]

01:18:36   well yes but wouldn't we go to Proxima [TS]

01:18:38   Centauri first we've already found one [TS]

01:18:40   like right so that's one thing I thought [TS]

01:18:42   about it the other thing I thought about [TS]

01:18:44   it was if the nearest star to us has a [TS]

01:18:48   planet like this is pretty much [TS]

01:18:50   suggesting that planets our dime a dozen [TS]

01:18:52   at night like if even the next star [TS]

01:18:54   overs got a planet going around like [TS]

01:18:57   this makes exoplanet seem incredibly [TS]

01:18:59   unremarkable now important and [TS]

01:19:01   interesting but it seems to me like [TS]

01:19:03   these are just a thing there we no [TS]

01:19:05   longer can be excited by this this is [TS]

01:19:07   one of these things that over my course [TS]

01:19:11   of time learning about physics and you [TS]

01:19:14   know doing physics and university that [TS]

01:19:16   this is the thing that has gone from we [TS]

01:19:19   speculate that there must be exoplanets [TS]

01:19:21   out there that was when i was in college [TS]

01:19:23   to at the time when I was teaching [TS]

01:19:25   physics in the UK remember trying to [TS]

01:19:29   like we've the story for students about [TS]

01:19:31   how like we used to not know and now we [TS]

01:19:33   know there are a whole bunch of them but [TS]

01:19:35   we don't know [TS]

01:19:37   how frequent they are like we're just [TS]

01:19:39   trying to raise the probability and the [TS]

01:19:41   more frequent they seem to be then [TS]

01:19:43   obviously the more likelihood there is [TS]

01:19:44   that there's life somewhere but yes [TS]

01:19:47   you're right if we've found one on the [TS]

01:19:49   star that is closest to us it doesn't [TS]

01:19:52   really prove anything from a statistical [TS]

01:19:54   vantage point it certainly makes it feel [TS]

01:19:57   like oh there must be planets around [TS]

01:19:59   every star it must be almost impossible [TS]

01:20:00   for a cloud of gas to condense into a [TS]

01:20:04   star without planets [TS]

01:20:06   yeah I like it must be almost improbable [TS]

01:20:08   for that too not occur obviously bearing [TS]

01:20:10   situations where you have multiple stars [TS]

01:20:12   and yeah gravity just screws everything [TS]

01:20:13   up and but yeah I don't you mean [TS]

01:20:15   so the other thing and you kind of [TS]

01:20:18   touched on in a way there that had this [TS]

01:20:20   has got me thinking about and this is [TS]

01:20:21   life elsewhere in the universe to be [TS]

01:20:26   galaxy whatever I don't know where you [TS]

01:20:28   stand on that likelihood of that you [TS]

01:20:30   know whether you think it's almost [TS]

01:20:31   inevitable it's highly unlikely but the [TS]

01:20:35   thing that has made me realize the way [TS]

01:20:37   this exoplanets have evolved in these [TS]

01:20:39   announcements have happened is that if [TS]

01:20:41   there is life somewhere else in the [TS]

01:20:44   universe and humans discover it it's not [TS]

01:20:48   going to be like Close Encounters of the [TS]

01:20:50   Third Kind obviously we're a spaceship [TS]

01:20:52   lands and they come out and say hello [TS]

01:20:54   but will have now realized it's also not [TS]

01:20:56   going to be like this incredible contact [TS]

01:20:58   moment with jodie foster out amongst the [TS]

01:21:02   satellite dishes [TS]

01:21:03   it's just gonna be a gradual series of [TS]

01:21:05   press releases its going to be we found [TS]

01:21:09   this exoplanet now we found this one [TS]

01:21:11   we've just found a signature that's [TS]

01:21:13   characteristic of this gas now we found [TS]

01:21:15   a signature that's character is this [TS]

01:21:17   now we found some evidence that suggests [TS]

01:21:19   this and we're just gonna get I think if [TS]

01:21:21   we are to discover life elsewhere and [TS]

01:21:24   it's to be announced [TS]

01:21:26   we're just going to be weaned on to the [TS]

01:21:27   idea and I think it's going to be [TS]

01:21:29   surprisingly unremarkable when it [TS]

01:21:32   happens [TS]

01:21:33   what do you say that well you're talking [TS]

01:21:35   about life elsewhere not intelligent [TS]

01:21:38   life well I even intelligent life i [TS]

01:21:40   think it could be sufficiently gradual [TS]

01:21:42   it's going to be a series of press [TS]

01:21:44   releases culminating with a press [TS]

01:21:46   release from the species that were for [TS]

01:21:48   getting in touch with yeah I do [TS]

01:21:50   I think we're going to see bits of [TS]

01:21:52   evidence that it could be hang on [TS]

01:21:54   there's a one-percent chance that this [TS]

01:21:56   could be caused by a civilization and [TS]

01:21:59   then they're going to be backward steps [TS]

01:22:02   and forward steps and i think it's going [TS]

01:22:03   to be quite gradual and the press [TS]

01:22:05   conferences are going to be exciting for [TS]

01:22:08   a day or two and then there's going to [TS]

01:22:10   be an earthquake and then there's going [TS]

01:22:11   to be a tsunami and then there's going [TS]

01:22:13   to be the Olympics and people are going [TS]

01:22:14   to calm down about it and then there's [TS]

01:22:16   going to be another press release and I [TS]

01:22:18   think the realization that there is even [TS]

01:22:23   intelligent life elsewhere when it [TS]

01:22:25   finally happens is going to be quite [TS]

01:22:28   different to what I imagined it might [TS]

01:22:31   have been the dramatic moment that [TS]

01:22:33   changed us forever who I don't think it [TS]

01:22:35   is going to be that I think we're going [TS]

01:22:37   to be quite blase about it by the time [TS]

01:22:38   it happens and that's a controversial [TS]

01:22:40   thing to say want not controversial [TS]

01:22:42   maybe just a stupid thing to say but I [TS]

01:22:45   suddenly think that I just think we are [TS]

01:22:47   so hard to impress now as humans and the [TS]

01:22:50   way science works is we kind of just [TS]

01:22:52   everything sneaks up on us to the point [TS]

01:22:55   that very little amazes us anymore [TS]

01:22:57   before you suggested this I would agree [TS]

01:22:59   with the idea that just like with most [TS]

01:23:02   things even the announcement I'd like we [TS]

01:23:05   know we found a planet and there's life [TS]

01:23:07   I not intelligent life but we can see [TS]

01:23:08   this creatures running around and plants [TS]

01:23:10   and stuff [TS]

01:23:11   yep i think most people wouldn't care [TS]

01:23:13   like that the vast majority of people [TS]

01:23:15   would be unmoved by this piece of [TS]

01:23:16   information what you're talking even if [TS]

01:23:18   it was like antelopes and trees not just [TS]

01:23:20   bacteria [TS]

01:23:21   yeah i think most people just sort of [TS]

01:23:23   wouldn't care and i agree with you that [TS]

01:23:25   we would almost certainly be walking [TS]

01:23:27   close to that in a very slow ways it [TS]

01:23:29   would be unremarkable i feel like i am [TS]

01:23:31   convinced that if if we are in a [TS]

01:23:34   situation where through our telescopes [TS]

01:23:38   we discover intelligent life elsewhere [TS]

01:23:41   that is unable to communicate with us [TS]

01:23:44   for some reason right like other still [TS]

01:23:45   building mud huts or whatever but [TS]

01:23:47   they're obviously intelligent yeah I [TS]

01:23:49   think you're right i could see a [TS]

01:23:51   scenario where this is just because it's [TS]

01:23:54   press releases is kind of boring and [TS]

01:23:57   it's not actually that big of a deal [TS]

01:23:58   it's because it's incremental if they [TS]

01:24:00   tomorrow found mud huts on Mars it would [TS]

01:24:03   be a big deal [TS]

01:24:04   but that's not how the mud huts will get [TS]

01:24:05   found yeah but yeah that's exactly what [TS]

01:24:07   we may be mud huts and maybe not mother [TS]

01:24:09   hats and then you know but also if it's [TS]

01:24:11   a situation where if there is no contact [TS]

01:24:15   moment it becomes a thing that is just [TS]

01:24:20   abstract in most people's life [TS]

01:24:22   oh there's people building huts on [TS]

01:24:24   planets elsewhere that we can't [TS]

01:24:25   communicate with yeah okay as long as [TS]

01:24:28   they're not gonna fire a laser right the [TS]

01:24:30   White House I don't really care [TS]

01:24:32   yeah like it doesn't affect things and I [TS]

01:24:34   think that the vast majority of people [TS]

01:24:35   have an amazing ability to not care [TS]

01:24:37   about things that affect them directly [TS]

01:24:39   and so yeah i agree with you that I can [TS]

01:24:41   foresee a scenario where intelligent [TS]

01:24:45   life is greeted with a met its discovery [TS]

01:24:48   like okay or like this exoplanet story [TS]

01:24:51   it's big news for three days and then [TS]

01:24:53   something else happens and then it [TS]

01:24:55   becomes a quiz question that you ask [TS]

01:24:58   people what is the name of the star [TS]

01:25:00   around which the first intelligent life [TS]

01:25:01   was discovered yeah like oh I should [TS]

01:25:04   know it actually yeah yeah yeah I also [TS]

01:25:07   say sometimes wonder when I go [TS]

01:25:09   especially when you go somewhere where [TS]

01:25:10   you can see lots of stars and you're [TS]

01:25:12   looking at them all weather in a [TS]

01:25:15   thousand years humans the future dresses [TS]

01:25:18   will look back at you and Mae and think [TS]

01:25:20   how adorably cute it was that we used to [TS]

01:25:23   look at the Stars and think maybe there [TS]

01:25:25   wasn't anything up there and that the [TS]

01:25:27   universe will be teeming with life and [TS]

01:25:29   people will look back at us and think is [TS]

01:25:31   not funny that you know Brady and [TS]

01:25:32   cgpgrey used to look up at the sky and [TS]

01:25:34   think are we alone maybe we are alone [TS]

01:25:37   but if we're not and the universe is [TS]

01:25:39   teeming with life we will seem so funny [TS]

01:25:41   to them like we would seem so adorably [TS]

01:25:43   naive that we used to look up at the sky [TS]

01:25:45   and think it was all empty and there was [TS]

01:25:47   nothing up there no one up there do you [TS]

01:25:50   ever think about that [TS]

01:25:52   I feel like surely we have touched upon [TS]

01:25:54   this before but that you know we had [TS]

01:25:56   that AI discussion a while back where I [TS]

01:25:58   said this is a thing that I've changed [TS]

01:26:00   my mind on and that has rocketed to like [TS]

01:26:03   the top of the list of things that I am [TS]

01:26:05   concerned about in the future [TS]

01:26:07   yeah like the very top maybe I could [TS]

01:26:09   list three things and i put AI and in [TS]

01:26:11   that list of three things [TS]

01:26:13   one of the other things that would be in [TS]

01:26:15   that top 3 which ever since i became [TS]

01:26:18   aware of it as has seemed like an [TS]

01:26:20   incredible concern is the Fermi paradox [TS]

01:26:22   this question of where is the other life [TS]

01:26:27   in the universe and my take on it my [TS]

01:26:32   starting assumption is that if there's [TS]

01:26:34   life once there should be life more than [TS]

01:26:37   once and the universe is really big so [TS]

01:26:40   my gut feeling is there should be life [TS]

01:26:43   everywhere but the Fermi paradox of [TS]

01:26:45   course like why haven't we actually [TS]

01:26:46   contacted anybody [TS]

01:26:48   yeah and I think about it a lot I think [TS]

01:26:50   it's a super super concerning question [TS]

01:26:55   there's a couple of bland answers to it [TS]

01:26:58   but I actually find the fact that we are [TS]

01:27:00   at a point in our technology where we [TS]

01:27:02   can conceivably receive messages and we [TS]

01:27:06   can send messages over great great [TS]

01:27:09   distances and we have got nothing back [TS]

01:27:12   I think it is one of the most concerning [TS]

01:27:14   things to think about when when you [TS]

01:27:16   start thinking about it seriously [TS]

01:27:17   so yeah I think about a lot and i find [TS]

01:27:20   it worrying i find it deeply worrying i [TS]

01:27:23   can see why you would think about a lot [TS]

01:27:24   because it's really interesting and it's [TS]

01:27:27   fun to think about [TS]

01:27:28   I can see what worries you I can see why [TS]

01:27:31   I worries you because I robot could come [TS]

01:27:34   and rip your head off tomorrow right [TS]

01:27:35   like or something could go wrong here on [TS]

01:27:37   earth a bit like people you know just [TS]

01:27:39   being selfish i don't see why the Fermi [TS]

01:27:41   paradox worries you [TS]

01:27:43   I can see why it perplexes you but I [TS]

01:27:46   can't see why it would like I didn't use [TS]

01:27:49   the word scared I can't see why would [TS]

01:27:50   scare you or concerned you would just be [TS]

01:27:52   like are like a crossword puzzle you [TS]

01:27:53   can't solve its just oh gosh that's [TS]

01:27:56   really tough i can't answer that [TS]

01:27:57   why does it worry you it's concerning to [TS]

01:27:59   me because one of the most probable [TS]

01:28:03   conclusions to draw is that there is [TS]

01:28:07   something in the universe which is anti [TS]

01:28:13   civilization in some ways like the [TS]

01:28:15   universe is more hostile to civilization [TS]

01:28:18   then we would think that it is okay and [TS]

01:28:23   and that there are very many things that [TS]

01:28:24   can possibly [TS]

01:28:26   cause that but it the the conclusion to [TS]

01:28:29   draw is like the only civilizations that [TS]

01:28:31   survive are the civilizations that don't [TS]

01:28:33   broadcast their existence [TS]

01:28:34   ok and we are broadcasting alex is right [TS]

01:28:36   and we are broadcasting our existing so [TS]

01:28:39   it's almost like the silence that's [TS]

01:28:40   raining down on us from space scares you [TS]

01:28:42   in the same way that if you walked into [TS]

01:28:44   a city that was completely empty and [TS]

01:28:46   quiet you would be scared you be [TS]

01:28:48   thinking why the new people here was i [TS]

01:28:50   quiet okay same space you're thinking [TS]

01:28:52   why the hell is so quiet up there when I [TS]

01:28:54   probably shouldn't be it is amazing that [TS]

01:28:56   you pick that analogy because that is [TS]

01:28:57   literally the feeling I have when I look [TS]

01:28:59   at the sky sometimes there is a feeling [TS]

01:29:01   of like we are one room lit in a city [TS]

01:29:07   full of empty lights right like that is [TS]

01:29:11   concerning that is a thing to note that [TS]

01:29:14   maybe everybody else with the lights off [TS]

01:29:17   knows something that we don't write or [TS]

01:29:20   like they're not there for some reason [TS]

01:29:22   but they were there is of course with [TS]

01:29:25   all these things get into the realm of [TS]

01:29:27   like things to speculate about and I [TS]

01:29:29   know that that's good man that makes the [TS]

01:29:31   night sky scary doesn't it that makes [TS]

01:29:33   looking up at the night sky go from [TS]

01:29:35   something that's beautiful and wonderful [TS]

01:29:37   to something that's deeply deeply [TS]

01:29:39   terrified I don't have it all the time [TS]

01:29:41   the the closest i can compare this to is [TS]

01:29:43   when i am in Hawaii and I look out at [TS]

01:29:46   the ocean i have this feeling of vertigo [TS]

01:29:49   that's very hard to explain but it's [TS]

01:29:52   like this feeling of like this island is [TS]

01:29:54   incredibly isolated from everywhere else [TS]

01:29:57   yeah that is always when I'm in Hawaii [TS]

01:29:59   so the night sky is not like that but it [TS]

01:30:02   is a thing that when i look at the night [TS]

01:30:03   sky if my mind starts going into that [TS]

01:30:05   place like I do feel uncomfortable like [TS]

01:30:07   there should be activity up here but [TS]

01:30:11   there is nothing so great we often joke [TS]

01:30:14   about if you were king of the world [TS]

01:30:15   things you wouldn't wouldn't do if you [TS]

01:30:17   were king of the world would you start [TS]

01:30:19   imposing restrictions on what was [TS]

01:30:21   getting away from Earth like sending [TS]

01:30:23   messages out for start and maybe even [TS]

01:30:25   sheltering arms general radio doors i [TS]

01:30:28   would you send us to ground basically [TS]

01:30:29   inside guys we need to shut the hell up [TS]

01:30:32   let's put it this way i would at the [TS]

01:30:34   very least form a team of people to look [TS]

01:30:36   into [TS]

01:30:38   but give me a cost analysis of what kind [TS]

01:30:41   of things in the world admit broadcast [TS]

01:30:44   that could be heard you know ten [TS]

01:30:46   light-years away like what equipment do [TS]

01:30:49   we have on earth is doing that right now [TS]

01:30:50   and what would it mean to ban this I [TS]

01:30:54   wouldn't least look into it I wouldn't [TS]

01:30:56   rule it out as I go this is just a crazy [TS]

01:30:58   idea if it came back that we know we [TS]

01:31:00   don't have an enormous amount of [TS]

01:31:02   technology that is doing this and say [TS]

01:31:03   like well maybe we should sit down the [TS]

01:31:05   things that are I would look into it [TS]

01:31:07   I'm not saying I would do anything about [TS]

01:31:09   it if it came back and they said like oh [TS]

01:31:10   we have to spend fifty percent of our [TS]

01:31:11   gdp on this and be like okay well I have [TS]

01:31:14   to weigh our potential destruction of [TS]

01:31:16   civilization versus a loss of fifty [TS]

01:31:18   percent of GDP and like maybe it's not [TS]

01:31:20   sensible to do i would investigate I [TS]

01:31:22   would investigate Brady that's what i [TS]

01:31:23   would do what do you think of having [TS]

01:31:27   people who are appointed to speak with [TS]

01:31:31   aliens if they have a contact us [TS]

01:31:33   well I mean what my view on it is ok you [TS]

01:31:36   know you gotta you gotta plan for all of [TS]

01:31:38   the scenarios but I i don't think the [TS]

01:31:40   empty night sky holds a lot of promise [TS]

01:31:43   for getting in touch with other aliens [TS]

01:31:47   yeah there's a couple of reasons why the [TS]

01:31:50   night sky might be empty that are benign [TS]

01:31:51   but I feel like we've had city running [TS]

01:31:54   for a long time obviously it's a big sky [TS]

01:31:57   to search but I feel like if there was a [TS]

01:31:59   civilization that came before us that we [TS]

01:32:02   would know about it if they wanted to [TS]

01:32:03   get in touch with us sort of like you [TS]

01:32:06   know we mentioned the Guns Germs and [TS]

01:32:07   Steel episode about how even on the same [TS]

01:32:11   planet the technological difference [TS]

01:32:12   between the Europeans and the Native [TS]

01:32:14   Americans was just too vast to be [TS]

01:32:17   overcome that in the universe if there's [TS]

01:32:19   other intelligent life it you know [TS]

01:32:21   statistically it's very unlikely that we [TS]

01:32:23   are the first I mean even if you imagine [TS]

01:32:25   a civilization that's 200 years ahead of [TS]

01:32:28   where we are now since technological [TS]

01:32:30   progress is exponential it seems like [TS]

01:32:32   they should have borderline magic [TS]

01:32:34   technology and so if they wanted to get [TS]

01:32:37   in touch [TS]

01:32:38   they could get in touch I think maybe [TS]

01:32:41   they could then maybe they're just [TS]

01:32:42   waiting for something maybe they're [TS]

01:32:44   waiting for us to solve the Riemann [TS]

01:32:45   hypothesis other waiting for us to do [TS]

01:32:47   our first work drive out of [TS]

01:32:49   after World War three I would be [TS]

01:32:50   comfortable with you being on that [TS]

01:32:52   committee grey I wouldn't mind you being [TS]

01:32:54   one of the people who speaks for us as [TS]

01:32:57   inhuman as I think you are I think you'd [TS]

01:32:59   be a good person for that I allow you to [TS]

01:33:02   be on that committee I think you would [TS]

01:33:04   make wise kohls oh yeah i feel very [TS]

01:33:08   flattered but I'm not sure that would [TS]

01:33:10   necessarily be a good car to have me [TS]

01:33:12   beyond that [TS]

01:33:13   on that group of people now why would [TS]

01:33:14   you not be a good person to speak with [TS]

01:33:16   the aliens [TS]

01:33:17   what is it about you that is a short [TS]

01:33:19   coming or deficiency [TS]

01:33:20   I think my difficulty of speaking with [TS]

01:33:22   humans does not bode well [TS]

01:33:25   two nights ago that's your strength not [TS]

01:33:28   astray because they're not hearing us [TS]

01:33:31   that's one of the reasons I think you'd [TS]

01:33:33   be so good that's the reason i think i [TS]

01:33:35   would be terrible i would be the worst [TS]

01:33:37   person because I wouldn't be able to [TS]

01:33:39   resist making a joke or like saying so [TS]

01:33:42   Joe ironic i could be in the wrong mode [TS]

01:33:44   or bit Moody and a bit grumpy and I'd [TS]

01:33:47   say something I shouldn't say or like [TS]

01:33:49   they could not treat me with sufficient [TS]

01:33:51   respect because you have that respect [TS]

01:33:54   yeah at least you acknowledge your [TS]

01:33:56   insurer comics in that way but I think [TS]

01:33:59   you are immune to all those things you [TS]

01:34:01   have a lack of humanity for lack of a [TS]

01:34:02   better term would be a great strength [TS]

01:34:05   you wouldn't do anything rash you would [TS]

01:34:07   be very careful [TS]

01:34:09   I don't think he'd be over ordered I [TS]

01:34:11   think you do it well great iight you're [TS]

01:34:13   in love okay i want you to do it i [TS]

01:34:16   wanted to i didn't realize you were you [TS]

01:34:19   were in charge of making the selection [TS]

01:34:20   but I guess it's good to have the people [TS]

01:34:22   making that decision be secretive but so [TS]

01:34:25   thank you for putting me on the [TS]

01:34:26   committee i gotta i will try to be [TS]

01:34:28   prepared for a scenario that i think is [TS]

01:34:30   incredibly unlikely [TS]

01:34:31   yeah let's just hope it doesn't happen [TS]

01:34:32   during your month-long and your vacation [TS]

01:34:35   just right yeah that's true if you're [TS]

01:34:37   sending me a message in August that the [TS]

01:34:39   aliens have landed on earth it is very [TS]

01:34:41   likely that 1i will not receive your [TS]

01:34:43   message and 2i have missed that news [TS]

01:34:45   right [TS]

01:34:46   I will not be aware of this so yes 11 [TS]

01:34:50   months out of the year good that was [TS]

01:34:51   sort of land on the lawn of the white [TS]

01:34:52   house and we'll say can you just wait [TS]

01:34:54   two weeks we're gonna race studies do [TS]

01:34:55   not disturb on [TS]

01:34:57   yes but like i said i think that is the [TS]

01:34:59   vastly less likely probability more [TS]

01:35:03   likely probability is sudden [TS]

01:35:06   inexplicable death descends from the sky [TS]

01:35:08   and consumes the earth that's more [TS]

01:35:11   likely yeah that's just that's going to [TS]

01:35:13   be bad but anyway that's funny thing [TS]

01:35:16   about this exoplanet the right like I [TS]

01:35:18   feel like this somehow changes the [TS]

01:35:20   calculus a little bit like what's your [TS]

01:35:22   gut feeling do you think there's life on [TS]

01:35:24   this planet any kind of life not [TS]

01:35:25   intelligent life absolutely not and [TS]

01:35:27   there's been a few things that have been [TS]

01:35:29   less well reported about this discovery [TS]

01:35:33   ok tell me tell me one being that the [TS]

01:35:36   star a red dwarf stars particular red [TS]

01:35:39   dwarf star Proxima Centauri is quite a [TS]

01:35:41   hostile star it sends out a lot of [TS]

01:35:44   flares it's not as friendly as a son if [TS]

01:35:47   you want to call this unfriendly which [TS]

01:35:48   is an interesting calling itself so it's [TS]

01:35:50   very hostile now it was probably more [TS]

01:35:52   hostile before so any chance of life [TS]

01:35:55   being there is probably being constantly [TS]

01:35:57   quashed or has been quashed in the past [TS]

01:36:00   any atmosphere may well have been [TS]

01:36:03   obliterated it would not be a very life [TS]

01:36:06   conducive place lots of astronomer terms [TS]

01:36:09   like earth-like and habitable do not [TS]

01:36:12   mean like the earth or write that can be [TS]

01:36:15   habit of that we think say I think it's [TS]

01:36:18   very unlikely there's life on this [TS]

01:36:20   planet and so far most of the experts [TS]

01:36:21   I've heard talk about it have said [TS]

01:36:24   similar things it's only like the normal [TS]

01:36:25   news that talks about things like I the [TS]

01:36:28   possibility of life or bay the [TS]

01:36:30   possibility of us are going there like [TS]

01:36:31   some kind of noah's ark but yeah the [TS]

01:36:34   second possibility is dumb [TS]

01:36:36   I mean I forget Alpha Centauri is what [TS]

01:36:38   like four light-years away yeah it's [TS]

01:36:40   obvious the system's about for [TS]

01:36:42   approximately bit over four light-years [TS]

01:36:43   away right okay so yeah it going there [TS]

01:36:47   obviously not a realistic probability [TS]

01:36:49   when I think about life existing i [TS]

01:36:50   always think about the extreme files you [TS]

01:36:53   know that these like little bacteria or [TS]

01:36:55   creatures that live in seemingly [TS]

01:36:57   shockingly hostile environments like the [TS]

01:37:00   things living at the bottom of the ocean [TS]

01:37:02   by those trenches [TS]

01:37:03   yeah we're 3 where you have water that [TS]

01:37:05   can't boil even though it's hundreds and [TS]

01:37:07   hundreds of degrees in temperature [TS]

01:37:08   because of the pressure as I oh but [TS]

01:37:10   there's little [TS]

01:37:11   creatures that live in this environment [TS]

01:37:12   that's kind of what I'm thinking about [TS]

01:37:14   like oh if there's a planet if there's [TS]

01:37:17   water it just seems to me like water so [TS]

01:37:19   dramatically increases the probability [TS]

01:37:20   help me understand that then because I [TS]

01:37:22   never understand this like I always [TS]

01:37:25   think it's arrogant that we assume life [TS]

01:37:28   is so intrinsically linked to water and [TS]

01:37:31   therefore if they've got liquid water on [TS]

01:37:32   the planet [TS]

01:37:33   you know you've got laughs what is so [TS]

01:37:35   special about water that connects it to [TS]

01:37:38   life in terms that are arrogant and just [TS]

01:37:41   aren't like what every sort of life [TS]

01:37:43   we've ever seen before involves water [TS]

01:37:44   because that seems very narrow-minded [TS]

01:37:46   today that is narrow-minded but my view [TS]

01:37:48   of it is this is a kind of [TS]

01:37:50   anthropomorphic viewpoint here where [TS]

01:37:52   we're talking about [TS]

01:37:54   we know that on earth water is important [TS]

01:37:58   for life on Earth and so it seems to me [TS]

01:38:01   quite reasonable to extract from that [TS]

01:38:03   that where else there is liquid water [TS]

01:38:05   there is the possibility of life right [TS]

01:38:09   and so I mean at least my understanding [TS]

01:38:11   of it with chemistry is that water acts [TS]

01:38:14   as this agent that allows vastly more [TS]

01:38:17   chemical interactions to occur and so if [TS]

01:38:20   you just have a place where there's [TS]

01:38:21   water you're going to get more random [TS]

01:38:23   chemistry and all you need is like a [TS]

01:38:25   prion like just a chemical that [TS]

01:38:28   reproduces itself through total random [TS]

01:38:30   chance just by combining with other [TS]

01:38:32   chemicals in the same environment like [TS]

01:38:34   that's all you need to get this ball [TS]

01:38:36   rolling downhill that will slowly slowly [TS]

01:38:39   accelerate overtime and so that's why I [TS]

01:38:41   think like Oh once there's water my gut [TS]

01:38:44   instinct is there's something in there [TS]

01:38:47   that's like life even if it's very very [TS]

01:38:52   very basic you know like bacteria virus [TS]

01:38:57   level kind of reproduction but that's [TS]

01:39:00   kind of my gut feeling [TS]

01:39:02   yeah but of course we have a sample size [TS]

01:39:04   of one this is the whole thing right [TS]

01:39:06   maybe life is incredibly rare [TS]

01:39:09   maybe it's not we just don't know we [TS]

01:39:11   don't have any real way to know but I [TS]

01:39:13   leaned on the side of i think it is more [TS]

01:39:16   probable than [TS]

01:39:17   rare that's my personal guess anyway I [TS]

01:39:20   was having a bit of a read about this [TS]

01:39:22   area and you know proxima centauri and [TS]

01:39:24   and plans to travel there and how we [TS]

01:39:26   could go there and obviously there are [TS]

01:39:28   all sorts of things that are put out [TS]

01:39:30   their suggestions and one that i was [TS]

01:39:32   reading about that got a bit of [TS]

01:39:34   publicity a while ago but it kind of [TS]

01:39:35   passed me by and I had never read much [TS]

01:39:37   about it before but I read a bit about [TS]

01:39:38   it today it was cold breakthrough [TS]

01:39:41   starshot and it was this one wasn't you [TS]

01:39:43   know it was yuri milner the venture [TS]

01:39:45   capitalists and stephen hawking was [TS]

01:39:47   involved you know every time anyone [TS]

01:39:48   makes a billion dollars a straightaway [TS]

01:39:49   start some kind of space operation [TS]

01:39:52   apparently that's what to do now here [TS]

01:39:54   that's what you do and all these people [TS]

01:39:56   involved is upon and i was reading about [TS]

01:39:58   the concept and the concept i think is [TS]

01:40:00   basically to create a swarm of these [TS]

01:40:03   tiny little space ships that are like [TS]

01:40:05   measured in centimeters across each one [TS]

01:40:09   with a a lifestyle of about sort of four [TS]

01:40:11   meters in size and you send them all up [TS]

01:40:13   into a sort of high up to know just [TS]

01:40:15   above the earth and then you open up [TS]

01:40:17   these sales and then you fire these [TS]

01:40:19   incredibly incredibly powerful lasers at [TS]

01:40:23   these light sales and then you send off [TS]

01:40:26   all of these this swarm of thousands and [TS]

01:40:29   thousands of spacecraft at speeds of [TS]

01:40:31   about i think it's ten or twenty percent [TS]

01:40:34   speed of light so ridiculous spades you [TS]

01:40:37   send them off to the Latino Proxima [TS]

01:40:39   Centauri Alpha Centauri and they go past [TS]

01:40:41   and hopefully get a few pictures or [TS]

01:40:43   whatever on the way past and it's this [TS]

01:40:46   like you notice we incredible incredible [TS]

01:40:49   thing i was reading about on this squat [TS]

01:40:51   small wikipedia page and my favorite [TS]

01:40:53   thing was then the last subheading on [TS]

01:40:56   the wikipedia page was technical [TS]

01:40:58   challenges i think is the road in like [TS]

01:41:02   four or five sentences some of the [TS]

01:41:04   technical challenges you have making a [TS]

01:41:06   swarm of spaceships gonna get twenty [TS]

01:41:08   percent the speed of life after being [TS]

01:41:10   fired from lasers from their people [TS]

01:41:12   they're so Curt about at the end says [TS]

01:41:15   according to the economist at least a [TS]

01:41:17   dozen of the off-the-shelf technologies [TS]

01:41:19   will need to improve by orders of [TS]

01:41:21   magnitude this tablet and sometimes [TS]

01:41:24   wikipedia is wonderful with [TS]

01:41:25   understatement as well as a social [TS]

01:41:27   statement [TS]

01:41:27   yes wikipedia does have sometimes at the [TS]

01:41:29   lego and understated sarcasm for some [TS]

01:41:32   years these articles which I do this [TS]

01:41:34   love i love the idea of swarm because if [TS]

01:41:36   you're thinking is sending a swarm of [TS]

01:41:37   spaceships because inevitably a whole [TS]

01:41:39   bunch will get knocked out but who all [TS]

01:41:41   the stuff you bump into on the way so [TS]

01:41:44   it's just increasing your odds by [TS]

01:41:45   sending a swarm i love that I love the [TS]

01:41:47   idea that maybe no one would make it [TS]

01:41:49   into immortality one of these little to [TS]

01:41:52   call them star chips one of these little [TS]

01:41:54   statues would make it take that picture [TS]

01:41:56   was this also to me really touches upon [TS]

01:41:59   the whole idea if we ever do have first [TS]

01:42:03   contact [TS]

01:42:04   it seems inevitable that it's going to [TS]

01:42:06   be contact through essentially an [TS]

01:42:09   autonomous system if something lands on [TS]

01:42:11   earth to say hello and welcome to the [TS]

01:42:14   universe we are an intelligent life it [TS]

01:42:16   seems so unlikely to me that it's going [TS]

01:42:18   to be a living alien is going to [TS]

01:42:21   essentially be an autonomous probe of [TS]

01:42:23   some kind and there's this idea that [TS]

01:42:26   we're sending out a whole bunch of [TS]

01:42:27   little tiny space ships out there and [TS]

01:42:29   into the into the universe [TS]

01:42:30   it seems to me like a similar idea like [TS]

01:42:32   if you want to try to get in touch with [TS]

01:42:35   other life forms like and you want to [TS]

01:42:37   have a physical thing go that way you [TS]

01:42:40   have to build little autonomous ships [TS]

01:42:42   send them out into the universe and i [TS]

01:42:45   think that's that's how if anything ever [TS]

01:42:47   lands on earth that's the way it's going [TS]

01:42:49   to be you know and I think if we're ever [TS]

01:42:52   going to get serious into the space [TS]

01:42:54   exploration game it seems like well [TS]

01:42:56   obviously what we're going to do with [TS]

01:42:58   some point is build little [TS]

01:43:00   self-replicating spaceships and send [TS]

01:43:02   them out into the universe right now [TS]

01:43:04   we'll build a little thing just like we [TS]

01:43:06   have 3d printers now build a machine [TS]

01:43:08   that can replicate itself send it off [TS]

01:43:10   into the universe to do exploration [TS]

01:43:12   little pre-recorded message little [TS]

01:43:14   Nylund gay flag little tiny healing gear [TS]

01:43:17   flag [TS]

01:43:17   yeah but that is also related to my AI [TS]

01:43:20   concern one of the very reasons why I [TS]

01:43:21   worry about something that destroy [TS]

01:43:23   civilizations [TS]

01:43:24   I can imagine some programming going [TS]

01:43:25   wrong right and ships that reproduce [TS]

01:43:28   themselves infinitely competing with [TS]

01:43:30   other ships that reproduce themselves [TS]

01:43:31   infinitely and suddenly you have just a [TS]

01:43:33   turf war for resources in the universe [TS]

01:43:37   and machines that just turn planets into [TS]

01:43:40   machines that explore the universe [TS]

01:43:41   endlessly for no real purpose you know [TS]

01:43:44   what what is pioneer isn't that has that [TS]

01:43:46   big gold record attached to the Pioneer [TS]

01:43:48   probe we could attach our episode alvine [TS]

01:43:51   or episode 21 of these probes that gets [TS]

01:43:55   sent out there so haven't seen the [TS]

01:43:56   episode like landing on Proxima Centauri [TS]

01:43:59   B the exoplanet mention that this is the [TS]

01:44:05   vision of the end of the universe a [TS]

01:44:08   robot that reproduces itself to explore [TS]

01:44:12   the universe carrying a vinyl record of [TS]

01:44:14   hello internets all across the skies [TS]

01:44:18   devouring all before it I tell you what [TS]

01:44:21   that would be aware did you listen to [TS]

01:44:23   hello internet photo that would surpass [TS]

01:44:25   air crash investigation i listen to it [TS]

01:44:29   as the harbinger of the end of my [TS]

01:44:32   civilization [TS]

01:44:33   all right grace o been another good [TS]

01:44:37   episode along with going and asking [TS]

01:44:39   people to have a look at excellent album [TS]

01:44:40   cover [TS]

01:44:41   we can actually set home workout which [TS]

01:44:43   we haven't done for a while [TS]

01:44:44   yeah we haven't done it for a long time [TS]

01:44:46   but I have to say we get asked to watch [TS]

01:44:51   movies and by far and away the [TS]

01:44:55   number-one request from people is a [TS]

01:44:58   movie called we were debating about how [TS]

01:45:00   to pronounce we believe it is pronounced [TS]

01:45:02   ex machina or X machinima but i'm going [TS]

01:45:06   with ex machina as in days ex machina [TS]

01:45:08   this is by far and away the number one [TS]

01:45:10   most requested movie for us to watch and [TS]

01:45:12   for us to talk about and since today we [TS]

01:45:14   kind of touched on AI a little bit i [TS]

01:45:18   think this is the time we're going to [TS]

01:45:20   assign this for homework for the [TS]

01:45:22   listeners so we're going to talk about [TS]

01:45:24   it [TS]

01:45:24   probably next episode so you might want [TS]

01:45:26   to have watched it yeah probably next [TS]

01:45:28   episode so put a link in the show notes [TS]

01:45:31   for people to find it easily as always [TS]

01:45:34   with movies with every single movie I [TS]

01:45:37   always just recommend [TS]

01:45:38   you watch it without really learning [TS]

01:45:40   anything about it [TS]

01:45:41   just watch a cold and we will discuss it [TS]

01:45:44   probably next time for sure [TS]

01:46:04   I still have this picture of your hand [TS]

01:46:08   holding the broken tooth brush open up [TS]

01:46:10   on my screen I feel like he would make a [TS]

01:46:11   beautiful iphone background [TS]