H.I. #70: Bun Fight
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naughty check audio check naughty check
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i was a bit naughty
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you know how I don't like totally
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understand the difference between you
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and I when it comes to objects and
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memorabilia and mementos and things
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what's not to understand seems very
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clear well I realize we're different but
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I just always trying to understand it
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so I've come up with a hypothetical
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scenario ok and i want to know how you
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would react and I know this is just a
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crazy hypothetical scenario but it will
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help me better understand you so just go
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with me for a second okay so we're doing
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a thought experiment after experiment
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yet I was trying to think of someone
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who's famous who I think you hold in
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high regard
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so I've gone for a long mascara ok
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alright say Elon Musk came to London and
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for some reason he emailed you and said
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our cgpgrey I he live in London and I've
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liked a couple of videos notice wonder
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if you want to go for a coffee
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ok I'm sure that you would say yes to
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that so you go for a quick coffee with
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him and he just chat about whatever you
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to want to chat about
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and while you're at coffee he like has a
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napkin or something and he's just
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sketching and drawing little and he
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draws like just a funny picture of you
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two sitting at a table and at the end he
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decides that and so do on this industry
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the service is sitting having a chat to
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gray great to meet you
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Elon Musk what do you do with that
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well there's two things that occur here
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one of which is trying to navigate
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social graces yet so i think there are
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many times when you need to be seen as
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receiving a gift I cared you have no
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intention of actually keeping so you're
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not going to screw it up and throw it in
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his face because as i have learned in my
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interactions with people over my life
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sometimes you have to try to accept what
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the person is doing not like that actual
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nitpicky details of the situation yet a
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person is just trying to extend a nice
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gesture
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yep and you need to accept the gesture
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because rejecting it is a whole other
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indication that is not intended i love
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how you explain this like you've just
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discovered the skies below it's not
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you're imparting wisdom when this is
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just cold like normal human behavior and
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matters that this is the thing humans
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have to learn
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yes of course and i like to think anyone
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above the age of 10 will take the gift
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and say thank you very much
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regardless of what they think of the
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gift so let's say that you've said thank
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you mr. mask shook his hand said I
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enjoyed coffee thanks for the net can
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see around now you've got this napkin
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with a hand drawn sketch by alien mask
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signed by him of a moment you two shared
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em what do you do with it
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well I would do what I do with almost
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everything which is I would take a
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picture of it and get rid of it
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that's what i would do it right because
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what you want is the memory you want the
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signifier of the thing okay but you
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don't actually want the thing okay
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does that make sense yes how do you
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interpret the results of this thought
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experiment i remain baffled its kind of
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the answer I expected but uh huh
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is there any object other than something
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that you're keeping just for pure cash
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reasons that you would take for
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sentimental reasons
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is there anything I could have come up
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with in my hypothetical that you'd have
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said oh yeah I probably get that put in
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a frame and put it on my wall
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did I just think of an adequately cool
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thing or is there nothing you would
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frame moon
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I feel like there has to be an answer to
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this where an object also has a
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decorative value so you're talking about
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framing a thing i'm not against having
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stuff in frames and displayed in the
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abstract I'm not necessarily an advocate
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for pure bare walls
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yeah like framing and Afghan would seem
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like a strange thing to do so it
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wouldn't necessarily have that sort of
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value i can imagine a situation where
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there is an object that has decorative
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and sentimental value that I would want
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to keep would stay around can you
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concoct one in your head now or does one
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exist in your house which would be even
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I just had an object from the last week
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that's what made me even think about
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this okay because you know i'm a little
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bit obsessed with graham's number which
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is this hugely big number used to be the
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biggest number ever and still famous
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and I met Ron Graham in the US and we
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made some videos together and he got at
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the big pieces of paper we use a number
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file and he drew numbers and diagrams
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and explained it to me and at the end up
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going to sign up you know from Ron
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Graham little and I've had one of those
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big bits of paper of Ron grams
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description of graham's number in a
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frame because it for me it was like I
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was always obsessed with graham's number
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as a kid I met the guy we shared a day
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together we went for dinner he drew all
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these pictures for me i'm going to keep
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one and it's like special to me
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I'm trying to find what your equivalent
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of that is yeah but the graham's number
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thing like to me that is cool i can
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totally understand why you would want to
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frame that and have that on display like
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that makes sense i have no objection to
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that I have much more the objection to
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your box full of astronaut photos that
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you never look at your multiple chest
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full of astronautics that you never look
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at that's him he seems like just
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hoarding objects or no benefit
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whatsoever but the grabs everything
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makes sense and also even like
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mathematical proofs and explanations
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like that they have a particular kind of
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austerity beauty about them so they make
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sense as an object to bring my other
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hypothetical I was going to give you
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before i came up with my coffee one was
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I was imagining that if a lot mask set
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up by the way gray he is the first
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sketch of a tester I ever did when I
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first thought of it i just quickly put
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something down but the only reason I
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didn't give that to you as my
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hypothetical because i need to get a
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rational inside well that's worth a lot
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of money so of course I'm gonna take
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that cake but seven is exactly the
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clockwork that's going through my mind
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right now as it's ok it's like oh this
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is like a Leonardo DaVinci sketch of a
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helicopter has like the thing itself is
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not valuable but like the thing that it
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represents has value to other people and
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so now you can start playing this game
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of what do other people value giving
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objects intrinsic worth that they don't
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necessarily have on their own because
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you know you are
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did nothing useful in terms of
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engineering he just drew pictures of
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things that couldn't be invented but we
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all sort of like collectively agree
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society that they must have worth so
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they have this incredible worth so is I
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have a hard time separating Elon Musk's
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original sketches of Tesla have
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intrinsic value because humans would
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value them as interesting valuable
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objects
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yeah from the thing itself I feel like
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you can't separate the
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does two things I shouldn't be surprised
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anymore but you still manage to surprise
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me with your lack of sentimentality
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I think it's just the way some people's
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brains work and i said before that I
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find rooms with lots of objects in them
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it's almost similar to being in a room
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that's kind of noisy somehow it's
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distracting
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like it makes focusing on things harder
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when there's lots of things in a room so
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I feel like reducing the number of
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objects is like a way of focusing on the
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few things that you actually care about
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or want to do
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it's why we like with almost everything
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I have I try to reduce it down to like
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the minimum number of necessary parts
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that is the thing that is like unrelated
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to sentimentality there's a certain kind
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of noise that I find with a bunch of
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object but some people just don't find
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that and I think that's what the
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difference is here that there's like a
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benefit to the minimalism which is
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separated from the aesthetics of the
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minimalism I thought maybe it's more
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related to like you know your extreme
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personality because you know how your
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library funny about germs and stuff as
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well and not really funny about terms
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i'm actually just quite reasonable about
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germs well of course it's just because
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I've thought it through
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yeah this is not an extreme personality
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trait I fundamentally disagree with you
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and I will not let you just throw out
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such an aspersion about an hour to use
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like character with germs
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okay no that's what I'm saying no no I
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really was putting it there for you to
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like go either way I'm quite open to the
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fact that it's completely unrelated move
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i'm just wondering if it could also be
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related you can find distraction and
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worry quite easily
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I sometimes think I don't think that's
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fair and i think this is the fundamental
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nature of our podcast here is like a
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difficulty or an inability to understand
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the minds of other people human
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communication between humans is just so
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hard sometimes when you're really trying
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to get down to hit like a fundamental
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question of what is it like to be a
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brady and what is it like to be a gray
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it's a very hard thing to know like I
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don't really know what it's like to be a
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brady I think I have some ideas of what
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it's like to be a Brady but I don't
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really know
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oh and your life is mysterious to me as
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well like I don't know how you do all of
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the things that you do i find that also
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mysteriously I don't know what it's like
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to be a Brady because I'm not a brady
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that's why I come up with stupid
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hypotheticals about you having a coffee
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with Elon Musk
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this isn't just another line of attack
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in my never-ending quest to understand
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what it's like to be a great
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it's so hard to convey the contents of
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one's mind yeah that's ultimately the
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difficulty
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yeah but I can imagine you sitting at
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your computer are about to work and then
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let the thought comes into your head
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that you didn't put your toothbrush away
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and i can imagine you wouldn't be able
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to start working till you went and put
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your toothbrush in the right place
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because like the thought that maybe your
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toothbrushes too close to the toilet or
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you know has fallen onto a dirty surface
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I think he would not be able to work
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until you fix that and it's the same
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with maybe if a picture on the world
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you're very like that but maybe I'm
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wrong maybe you could just crack on work
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know that you would just leave your
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have thought you would do that
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yeah there's something about it which
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teeth and then I just put it down and
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totally forget about where it is but
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speaking of objects and what to do with
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objects m lady you and I were going to
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because the hello internet YouTube
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thousand subscribers much to my
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amazement I still have a hard time
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believing how many people actually
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prefer to listen to the show on YouTube
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which is baffling to me but yes we have
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crossed a hundred thousand subscribers
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this many times with many channels when
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you cross a hundred thousand subscribers
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youtube sends you a trophy of sorts with
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their silver play button 400,000 how
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many of these do you have now breeding
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well i have six here are we even going
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to pretend there's like a debate to be
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had here like why are we even talking
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about this
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everyone who has source go past a
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hundred thousand knows what's going to
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happen you know what's going to happen
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I know what's gonna happen I know what's
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gonna happen is i would like this trophy
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for myself I feel like you have six
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trophies if I'm going to get any of the
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trophies
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this is the one that I want you want
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this one day
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yeah I want this one I want to put it
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above my mantle
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yeah I want to put it above the mantel
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yet so that i can look at this great
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accomplishment
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yeah of the internet YouTube channel
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which is this kind of Island related to
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the main project of the podcast i want
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this trophy I want to have it all right
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well I want to keep it i actually have
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just had one of my other channels
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morning my first channels nothing of
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science actually just passed 200 k
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congratulations
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numberphile to is on 97 k and
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objectivity is on 92 k so if people want
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to help me every team's wanna help me
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go and subscribe to objectivity for
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God's sake of such a good channel needs
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more subscribers so if you want to
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subscribe to those i could potentially
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have another three anyway in the coming
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months I was hoping you'd give me the
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hello internet once i could have 10 mm
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that looks like I'm gonna have to be
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content with 9i think precisely because
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you wanted for number ten
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I'm going to receive it
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for my first it's a carefree era and my
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plan is I'm going to take a picture of
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it and then I'm going to throw it away
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they're not right impressive the silver
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buttons the gold buttons are impressive
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button that you're entitled to but the
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gold buttons are very impressive but the
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silver buttons they seem a bit cheaper
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and that was nicely framed and their
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load smaller and move and they're still
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nice i don't have to do i guess but i
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don't think you'll be overly impressed
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fire to hear that YouTube Brady
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collector of silver play buttons not
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impressed
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yeah i guess they seem a bit boring when
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you start getting close to 10 but
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unremarkable they're still in their
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boxes and they're stored under a safer
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my place
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yeah I know ok ok so let me ask you if
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you have them in boxes on opens I'm
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doing is sofa
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why would you even want the hello
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idea of putting them on a wall was a
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little collection I have loads of this
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frame stuff I haven't put on walls
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because I never actually get around
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I'm not very good at hanging things on
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wolves so I always worry i'll do it
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badly or especially trying to hang ten
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silver buttons
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how on earth am I going to get them all
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straight and lined up i know i'll do it
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crooked I'm so bad a handyman stuff
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they'll be all crooked and all over the
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place and they won't form a nice grid on
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the wall and it would drive me crazy so
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for that reason I never get around to it
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but i do like the idea of having old 10
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one day like on a wall i think that
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could be quite nifty in an office or
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something
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yeah but you'd be sitting down at your
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computer trying to get to work and then
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you think are there not quite straight
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that would do my head in if I was
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looking at like really unstrained things
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on the world that's it's unacceptable
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well I know you going to let me have it
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so that you're so confident how do you
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know that i'm going to let you have
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maybe I'm serious what would you do if i
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was serious about this Brady I'd be
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really surprised you don't strike me as
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someone who would do something terrible
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to people you don't like it alone
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someone you kind of get along with say I
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just don't think you do it but you know
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i'm open to being surprised you know i'm
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probably putting fuel on the fire now
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being so sort of sure that you won't but
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well actually wonder like how would you
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tube resolve this because if YouTube is
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good at anything it's good at making
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sure everybody's happy all the time and
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so i presume that they only give out one
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button per channel
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yeah so i would love to know is what
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would happen if we both told youtube
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that we each one of the button i would
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what happens if we each demand a button
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I think we should do it I think we
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should see what happens ask them to
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configure ticket
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yeah I think maybe maybe you have
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sufficient clout that do it but I think
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don't want to do that because victory
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would just be defeat because as you know
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full well I cannot even pretend for the
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sake of the podcast that I actually want
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you can sue play button and if we made
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youtube send out to play buttons i would
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bowling ball that will now have to
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well victory would be defeat and it's
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not even a thing that I can pretend like
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i want to mess around with like someone
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at YouTube right now listening to the
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podcast is like getting ready to type an
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email to someone about sending off to
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like you know what I don't want that I
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can't even pretend to do I don't want to
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play button
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be done here great i mean you could give
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me both and then you could take the
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light now I had 11 silver play button
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someone suggests that we could note down
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the hello Internet medals of Honor
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oh yeah anything was meltdown about that
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would actually be an excellent idea but
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obviously that Victoria Crosses and made
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big lot of metal
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along with it they definitely made from
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the one source of metal from
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some war relic I mean I've actually
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problem if I can have a little humble
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brag for a minute gray no please go
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sixty symbols the physics channel has
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metal each year for outreach and we
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honor and we look we're picking it up in
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december i think that some awards
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ceremony and congratulations thank you
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very much i thought you'd like it was
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called the Kelvin medal I know you love
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the name Lord Kelvin it's named after
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very cool but the problem is this is the
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humble bad move that will only give it
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to three recipients the most much like
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the Nobel price you have to have three
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named people and obviously sixty symbols
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decision was taken that my name should
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scientists on the project's name in the
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submission so we could get at maximum
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videos but then we have all these other
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loads of videos who are named but what
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we've done is we also get prize money i
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can't remember how much is so it's like
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a thousand pounds or something and we're
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going to use all the prize money to have
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replica medals made and we're going to
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give medals to everyone on the project
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so we kind of go around the problem that
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way the people who get the replicants
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will their medals just have their name
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where will you also stamp your name
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bring Aaron above their name on all of
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the replicas so that everybody
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even meaner and let make them true
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do this pretty what is the plan is it
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just going to have their name on it or
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is it going to have there
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mad your name and I certainly hope as a
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good my name when I think good i am not
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actually responsible for this process
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suggesting it but i will not be involved
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in the execution of it so this will be a
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the best option by far away will be just
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even know if on the night when we get
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like the real medal at the ceremony
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whether we get three or we get one to
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share between us so I don't even know
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what's going to happen there it could be
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a real band far it's a real bunfight
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realized I probably should have said it
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was it may 15 I don't think this is a
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overblown argument about a petty matter
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yeah but our disagreements petty yes
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are they sustained over a long period of
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they go through the personnel problems
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yeah which is that it seems the Brad
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Pitt and Angelina Jolie em are breaking
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they're getting a divorce mm I feel the
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that they were still married but they're
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getting a divorce and I found it an
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entertaining experience to be on the
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receiving end of a very large number of
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messages from strangers informing me
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that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were
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breaking up at that supports what's
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occurring and finding out like through
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my email inbox from random feedback from
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strangers on the internet who want to
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let me know that my answer to a quiz so
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question on the previous episode would
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no longer be the case going forward
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sorry Brad jolina it's all over isn't a
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brand jolina
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I don't know brangelina natalina branch
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I think you need the end in there i'm
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simply realizing this is never a word i
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have heard out loud i have only ever
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seen written Brangelina anything that's
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what it is
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whenever one of these stories gets like
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you know like BBC will do a breaking
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news alert
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Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are going
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to divorce and some people will say how
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do you make that breaking news so
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trivial
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people are dying all over the world
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haven't you got better things to report
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this always happens right does it okay
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yeah i'll tell you what there was
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another big breaking story in the last
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week that was truly a big deal
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great do you know anything about the
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television show The Great British Bake
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I only know that it exists because it
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has this funny name
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I've heard people reference it i think
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maybe you have mentioned the existence
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of this to me before or somebody else
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yeah so I know that there exists a show
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called the Great British Bake Off
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yeah but I know nothing else about it
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well I think that's been a big story
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this week and it has had many
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interesting components to it which if
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you did follow what you would find quite
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interesting but for those people who
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don't know which is which is anyone who
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probably was outside the UK just so you
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understand what the show is there's a
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big posh tent like a marquee in the
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grounds of like some big famous mansion
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in England and that's where their host
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this show and they've set up all these
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little many kitchens in that they've all
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got their own little kitchen bar and I
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can all see each other or something and
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I've got like ovens and mixes and things
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i think at the start there's something
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like 12 or more contestants and it's
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like a baking show it's a baking
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competition show and h we could be like
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bread week or pastry weekend things and
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they all have to do these challenges and
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they have to make their own recipes and
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it's a competition and it's really good
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fun and it's got these two hosts who are
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really funny these two women who
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deliberately make lots of corny puns and
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its kind of the tweet joke about and
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there are these two judges this I'll
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grumpy York sherman who is a expert on
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baking bread but he's also a bit of a
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silver fox
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so I think he's been a housewives a rip
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and this old lady you think she's in
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about 80 years old or something like
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that and she's like everybody's
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grandmother she's called Mary berry and
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she's like a celebrity chef for a
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million years in England and now she's
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this matriarch and these two other
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judges and they decide each week who
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goes home so it's the contest and
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everyone in the country gets gripped by
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who's going to go home this week and
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who's gonna win the bake-off this year
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ok so there is an elimination round each
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episode yeah someone's getting booted
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off the island who's it going to be
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exactly ok it's quite arbitrary just the
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judges decide but it's based on these
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three things they do throughout the
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episode and there's like a star Baker
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who wins for the week that means nothing
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except a little bit of glory and then
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one person gets booted off and then the
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last man or woman standing windsor I
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think it's been 10 6 or 7 series and
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it's just growing in popularity it's
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become a real institution and the media
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is obsessed with it and like they're
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always reporting on a market so-and-so
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got booted off this weekend you believe
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it up sometimes be on the front page of
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newspapers and I think what's really
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British about in some ways is I think
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the British people revel in the trivial
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and silver that but that's the scanner
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will be you know so-and-so took
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someone's legs by mistake and you know
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so and so's left something in the oven
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for too long and burn the cake and and
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it becomes this big national story and I
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think everyone's kind of in on the joke
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that was so obsessed with this baking
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competition is it a joke now I mean
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human politics seemed to be vicious
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directly in proportion to their
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pettiness many people seem to get the
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most upset over the tiniest things
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sometimes yeah although the thing is one
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of the things that's so good about the
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show it's important to set a BBC show
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it's made by production company but it's
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always been on the baby say and I think
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one of the things that makes the Great
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British Bake of different from other
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shows is there isn't a really pleasant
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streak running through it no one's ever
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angry anyone gets booted off they're
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always very gracious they always help
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each other the contestants when these
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scandals happen when someone you know
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take someone's thing out of the fridge
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early people never get angry at each
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other it's like it's really good
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spirited it's just in a cynical world of
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evil is this like bastion of like
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Isis it's just nice in a tent where
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everyone's baking cakes
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it's always pretty and even when someone
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burns their cake maryberry the old
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granny or tell them they tried hard and
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like it's just this lovely thing right
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ok it's huge at the moment and like 10
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11 million people are watching our awake
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and what happened this week was the
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production company that made a are
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obviously pretty Grady had been trying
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to extract every last cent out of the
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baby say and they just wanted too much
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money for the show and the BBC what
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we're not buying that and everyone
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obviously wants this show so one of the
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commercial television stations in the UK
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channel 4 have swooped and paid some
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ridiculous amount of money like 75
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million pounds for the show Luo so the
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next series of that next year's gonna be
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on channel 4 and this was a huge story
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it's leaving the baby say sounds like
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the BBC always loses their big shows the
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this happened with top here by
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remembering that even remotely correctly
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different reasons but it is true the
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baby sometimes do lose their stars
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because they get poached off but that's
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why this is so interesting because i
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always think when the BBC makes someone
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really famous like a news presenter or a
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TV presenter and they very often get
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paged by the corporate channels right
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that can get off of them bigger salaries
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disappear because the baby say while not
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being able to pay you quite as much has
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all the profile it has all the reach it
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has the market penetration and it's what
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makes you famous
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so it's interesting how often people
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become famous on the BBC think they're
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Charlie big potatoes go over to a
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commercial Network and then they just
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disappear into nothingness because the
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BBC's not making them famous anymore so
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everyone's like what's going to happen
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to the Great British Bake Off and it
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goes channel 4 is it still going to be
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as nice and good or is now going to be
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commercials and there was going to be
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trying to sell you products all the time
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and blue is it going to lose its magic
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right so I know this is gripping boy
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so anyway the next day the two hosts who
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are really funny and really make the
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show huh
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these two comedians I mentioned record
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melon so they announced publicly we're
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not going to chase the dough they said
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to use a patent good and they said we're
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not going we're going to stay at the BBC
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we're not going to be on the show
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anymore and everyone's like oh my
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goodness this is amazing what with a
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bake-off be like without the host
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anymore can't believe this happened and
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then the next day unbelievably maryberry
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the old grandmother of cooking also says
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I'm not going either
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my loyalties to the BBC the BBC made
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this show what is I wish everyone luck
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and have fun but i'm not going to
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channel for either so all of a sudden
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channel 4 has paid like you know 75
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million pounds basically for one judge
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and a tent in a go ahead and and they've
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lost or left stars of the show and now
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everyone's thinking well is she gonna be
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any good but now there's all this
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intellectual property stuff going on and
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everyone saying maybe the BBC gonna make
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their own baking show you just keep all
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the same hosts and it makes you wonder
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what channel 4 of bored
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this is the strange thing with the world
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of companies acquiring things for talent
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for talented people
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yeah if you're buying the show but this
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old granny she's not going your silver
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fox guy isn't going no silver foxes
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going he's the one he is chasing the
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okay well yeah that's because he's a
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smart silver fox right there that's why
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his name is Paul Hollywood tell you what
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you love that it's yeah it's also it's
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so I'm British I know that's not real
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that's like an actor's guild name that
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can't be real living out his actual name
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my name is max power think no it's not
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but it's an interesting question about
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like what have you bought what is a show
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how do you transfer it from one location
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to another
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who are the key players in this like how
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do you get the loyalty of the people of
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necessary to make the thing
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work i often those with TV shows in
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general like everybody knows this
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experience that you're watching a TV
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show in the first two seasons are
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amazing and then the next couple sees
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anything like I really just lost all of
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its don't like what happened with this
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isn't so good anymore and it every time
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I've ever investigated you find that
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it's like a couple of key people have
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left em and I am absolutely convinced
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and I have this theory that almost any
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kind of media production like a TV show
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or like a movie is much much more
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dependent on a handful like maybe three
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or four key people than you think it is
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that like one or two writers make all of
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the difference in the show being really
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good or not being really good yeah just
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like a couple of key people on a movie
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are what makes the difference between
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like why is this movie amazing and this
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movie isn't there like a talent
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disproportionate here if I was like a
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network buying a TV show I feel like
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that would be one of my primary concerns
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is trying to isolate something like the
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Great British Bake Off and from the
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outside trying to figure out like who
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were the actual vital people and we have
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to make sure that they're on board and
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that they're coming along and it sounds
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like these two hosts were part of like
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the charm of the show and like oh now by
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trying to buy this thing you have broken
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this thing you've split these two key
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hosts and maybe now everybody loses like
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you've spent all this money for this
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show and the BBC is also going to lose
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because they've lost half of their vital
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crew and now everybody sad and everybody
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i mean i won't go into all the details
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because it's full of intrigue and
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there's a lot of intrigue about the
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rights and formats and things like that
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but it's been it's been a huge story but
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coming back just quickly to breaking
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news and alerts and things there was a
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breaking news story when Mary berry
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they'll grandmarc wit it was like a
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breaking news on Twitter BBC Mary very
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quits the great british bake on and also
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a few tweets and people saying I can't
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believe that's breaking news like some
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old lady quits hosting a TV show who but
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I tell you what that's the first story
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that's broken in weeks and weeks that
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the mid
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isaura i followed by wife immediately
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I'm like you're looking about you but
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you're not gonna believe what happened
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very very quickly the back of like I'm
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not bringing her upside you know what's
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happening in politics or wars around the
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world or lack disasters are a plane
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crashes or anything it's like oh my
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goodness I've got to tell my wife
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immediately like this is huge and do you
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want to know why you bring your wife to
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tell her immediately that the woman has
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left the Great British Bake Off because
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unlike most of the things in the world
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that the news reports on the supposed
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important things this one directly
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affects you every week if it messes up
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with the TV show that you like right
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like some genocide in Africa like
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whatever it's not going to affect me
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this is why you can brush it under the
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rug and be like whatever tragedies
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around the world like oh there was an
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earthquake in some third-world country
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and thousands are dead like how am I
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going to tell anybody about it i'm going
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to call anybody now not really like put
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the Great British Bake Off this actually
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affects you in a way every single week
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if your show is ruined so that's why you
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call this is what's happening here it's
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is the dynamic of what is important in
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the world versus what actually affects
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you in a way that you care
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yeah i'll tell you what else like it
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does make me think it is interesting how
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this touches on our world of you know
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video making and podcasting and things
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like that because if you decided
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tomorrow that you'd had enough of making
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YouTube videos and you want to pick that
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up and you decided I k well I've created
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this like brand and this channel and
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this cool thing you couldn't do a thing
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with it you couldn't so cgpgrey the
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channel pudgy and walk away from her
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because it has no worth without you so I
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mean what could you do with that
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not much not get your computer so the
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rights to the back catalogue and stuff
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and that's it's true
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from a business perspective it's a
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terrible decision i can't sell the thing
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because i am the key person in my own
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organization
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yeah it has my name on it there's
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nothing to sell here you have channels
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to spare coming out of your pocket that
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you could sell off to organizations ya
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self numberphile tomorrow and period
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videos next wing and yeah yeah and just
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keep growing more channels
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the hundred thousand subscribers here a
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hundred thousand subscribers their sell
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them off here i am just like an idiot
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artistically crafting individual videos
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into anything that is ultimately not a
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sellable business not a fool I am
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artisanal crafting videos listen to it
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I can't believe channel 4 agreed to by
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the show before now for the people were
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locked in place
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I mean they're not idiots they must have
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known that this was there taking a blow
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up in their face but it seems like
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obviously see the value in it without
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having the people locked in i'm sure
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they made this decision but to outsiders
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it seems crazy it seems like they bought
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the thing and then they realized they
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haven't got what they thought they got
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but i'm sure they still think us worth
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having the brand and the name and or
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perhaps they simply overvalued how
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convincing money is to an 80 year old
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yeah maybe they just assume let go of
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course she'll go for the paycheck but if
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you're an 80 year old granny I think
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maybe you have a more ability just to
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say now like i do this thing is of
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course it shouldn't have seen if she was
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going to sign on the line first but
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before buying the whole thing I'm saying
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it I'm just speculating
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yeah sama sama i'm thinking maybe people
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who think in terms of money would think
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that it is much more convincing that
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actually would be like who's gonna turn
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down his crazy salary
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yea marry barry is the one who's going
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to turn down the salary yeah that's how
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that goes
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yep get breaking news has to be about
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the things that people actually care
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about the threats that makes it breaking
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news like you have people care about
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always thanks to back plays for not only
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backing up my computer but for
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we're going to have a little same to
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this one is Fisk one that the viewers
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can will not use their listeners but
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they're about to become viewers if they
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choose to
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they might be viewers if they're on the
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hello internet YouTube that's true
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that's true for all of our viewers are
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ya confusing confusing people as so
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multimedia world we live in
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we're going to put these pictures in the
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haven't sane okay and i just think this
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was just fun i thought i'm gonna send
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this to this has come from someone
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called Adam he's in a group photo here
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some visits it's the international
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center for Theoretical Physics they had
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a big group photo at their eighth
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international conference on the exactly
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normalization group which sounds awesome
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it was held in Italy this huge photo and
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he proudly says I decided to wear my
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reunion swamp an official bird of hello
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internet t-shirt for the group photo and
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photo and see if you can find that
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because it's a huge group of people and
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one person there is wearing a reunion
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swamp ENT shit have you found it yet
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great i'm looking and looking don't give
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it away when you find it ok you know why
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when you find that all know why when i
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find it huh
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ok looking looking looking not as easy
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as you thought hey when sao i think it's
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going to be easy
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I never said that did I say you said it
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no I didn't say you said it but I didn't
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think it sent me a picture of a whole
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bunch of people never even thought it
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all right never even thought I think
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there is nobody wearing every Union
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swamp had t-shirts in this photo
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nobody's wearing your uniform been I you
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are wrong
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someone is and there is the way as
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worldly challenge can you find the
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person wearing the reunion Swamp man
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t-shirt there is a twist to it
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ya figure there's a twist the twist is
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proving beyond my capabilities right now
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you want me to tell you and you can kind
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of that
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yeah you tell me to shut up haha i could
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have spent a hundred years looking at
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this photo and I would have never seen
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that there you go
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so here's the other one which you have
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seen and again can you find the hello
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component to it because the fan is so
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small in such a big picture but I'll
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read you the message that goes with this
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is a nice message dear dr. heron say
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people are learning i'm a big fan of the
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hoi podcast and I know that you love
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mountains so i made a special picture
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while I was hiking in Norway this place
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is called trolltunga which means a ton
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of a trial
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horizontally out of a mountain about 700
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meters above the lake i had to stay in
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the mountains overnight in order to be
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there in early morning normally the
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height x 10 to 12 hours i hope you and
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maybe gray will like it
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best regards stand that is a fantastic
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photo it's amazing isn't it
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it's a really epic hello Internet
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someone brought the flag to an amazing
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location photo in no small part because
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particular beauty of Norway I think
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normally looks amazing and this photo of
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being in the mountains holding up the
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flag with the reflection in the water
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below is fantastic
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this makes me so happy to see the hello
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well done on this one this is absolutely
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it's amazing for people who have not
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saying I mean look at the picture in the
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show notes but also just going to put
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more pictures of this trial hunger
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it's an amazing place that even if it
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didn't have this ridiculous pace of rock
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jutting out on this unnatural angle the
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view is just incredible of a leg below
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and mountains and greenery and snow and
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it slices
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it's incredible but i have since been
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reading a little bit more about
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trolltunga and some people got in touch
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after i tweeted a picture of this mid
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wake parents becoming of a controversial
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place for sort of safety reasons because
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more and more people are trying to get
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to it's not easy to get to but more and
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more people are going there and taking
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it doesn't look like the world's safest
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place to stand and in fact I was just
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reading that recently a tourist or not
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tourists i think it was an exchange
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student from australia was on the trail
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tunga asking to have their photo taken
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and stepped backward didn't look what
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they were doing while they were having
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their picture taken and fell offer that
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didn't end well obviously but they can't
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put safety rails on it so whether we
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should be encouraging people with this
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photo is probably questionable to but
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I'd certainly go there would you go and
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stand there in every picture taken
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I don't know that kind of thing makes me
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a little bit nervous I'm it does look
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perilous doesn't happen
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yeah it looks absolutely perilous i
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don't know i think if i was there on the
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day i might not go very far out on the
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troll tongue there but people are always
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going to risk their lives for this kind
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of stuff and it looks like an awesomely
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beautiful place to risk your life if
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you're gonna do this and so you would go
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out to the tip of the tongue but maybe
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you just go partway like to the middle
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of something the am i might go part way
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but look at something like that and
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think it's gonna break some day and or
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might be quite windy right but i'm sure
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you Brady would just crawl out right to
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the edge wouldn't you be on the edge
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I don't know I I am cautious with hearts
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but i remember when i was in the
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forbidden kingdom of it
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Tiger's Nest monastery which is this
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incredible monastery perched why up on a
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cliff and I saw big long walk along all
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these rocky paths along the cliff and we
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stopped at one point where lots and lots
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of people take photos because it's
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amazing you're looking from 1click
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across to the other and our guards that
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are you know what was actually just a
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few weeks ago a tourist from Thailand
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was having their photo taken right where
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you are but they leaned against the
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wooden hand rail which they shouldn't
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have done and the handrail gave way and
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they just went right off the cliff all
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the way to the bottom and when I was
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told that story affected me like you
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know when you're standing at the place
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where it happened and look at your total
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few weeks ago someone fell down there
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suddenly you're like gosh
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taken your like setting your fate and
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making sure you stand the right place
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and it's so easy when you're taking
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photos to do something stupid
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looking away from the data right yeah if
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you drive back up to get into frame and
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what's over you go especially seeing
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Stan was holding this flag when you had
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that picture taken like a big sail so
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i'm not sure how wise that was but he
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lived to send the email say
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remember I told you about this is
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company that every three months or every
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six months sends me this bill 42 pounds
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for this ground rent or something where
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i live in this house
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so anyway I got my latest invoice from
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them two pounds which I have to pee
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every six months just to live in my
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house because of some out
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eighteen-hundreds law right right i
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resent it but i have to do it so we
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wrote the check this morning and i'm
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about to send it off but what I did was
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I put it in an envelope and then I
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four times and then wrapped all the
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sticky tape around it and then I put it
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in like another envelope and I wrapped
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in all this packing tape and things like
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that and that I put in a third envelope
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already take that up because if they're
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going to get their two-pound check off
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me like I want them to work for I wanted
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to do two pounds of work to get to it so
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i have created this big like pass the
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parcel taped-up thing if they will get
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want to get their check
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I don't know I was just like in a half
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funny half weird mode and I did and I've
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got it on my desk now I'm thinking
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you know which would be ironic if i
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decide not to do it because then I'm
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going to be the one that has to dig into
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an underwater these envelopes and cut
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all the tape and everything ok
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I mean this there's so many things i
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really don't even know where to begin
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ok let me send your picture part of okay
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you're gonna make me feel bad now I and
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now I can just tell from your tone
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it's like you're not angry maybe you're
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disappointed i think what the thing i
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sent you is one of the envelopes going
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into one of the other envelopes
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okay you're disappointed in me I ok so I
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feel like I want to walk you through a
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few things here Brady now how to think
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about the world and i guess for
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listeners who don't remember the details
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this was just because there's some
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company which collects up a bunch of old
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title deeds and land deeds like this is
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their entire business having people pay
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them small amounts of money from
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contractor like 200 years old on some
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technicality and so Brady has to pay
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this little fee two pounds every six
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months or whatever was because of some
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land deal from 300 here is ya up so this
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is love the UK for this guy's stuff yeah
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so first of all let me say that I can
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sympathize with your frustration about
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the situation
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ok I too would find it very frustrating
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to be in this situation
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okay okay right so I like we're on the
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same page here
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I can however when I don't understand is
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why on earth would you take more of your
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time to cause essentially a trivial
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amount of frustration to whatever
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company is in charge of doing this sort
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of stuff em like you have changed the
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situation from Annoying company for from
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old technicality is getting two pounds
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off of me to company is getting two
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pounds off of me and they're costing me
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whatever it is 20 minutes of my life
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more than is necessary and she was
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sitting there folding of the check
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scratch you didn't envelope i could see
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wrapping it in this brown tape you're
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going to stick it in another envelope
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I mean I hate to say this Brady but this
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actually looks really ineffective like
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how long do you think it's going to take
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someone with a pair of scissors to get
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through this envelope i think five
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seconds right stuff wasn't thinking
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clicking scissors i would just cut open
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the top there's no way you even caused
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real inconvenience here this to me is
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like pointless human frustration
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manifested i know i say i've thought
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about that great because the final
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envelope is folded several times and
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then taped so if you just cut it you
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will also cut the check so you have to
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be careful how you open the envelope
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right buddy but here's the thing if they
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cut the check out what do they care
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the check is just null and void and
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they'll just kill you again right
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Thank I guess what I'm trying to walk
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through here is like what's your endgame
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here Brady what change do you wish to
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effect in the world right
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it was cathartic did you feel better
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after doing this
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yes yeah you feel better ya doing it but
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now I don't because now you're making me
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feel bad about it i was sitting there
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checking away from myself thinking how
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hard this show and her you know thinking
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this is fun and you know it was like a
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little fun thing for a few minutes and
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still when I think about a brady sitting
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down at his desk receiving a bill for
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two pounds and instead of just writing
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out the check and sending it off
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gathering together tape and envelopes
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and thinking about how to fold it in
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such a way to be frustrating to the
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person who's receiving it
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i know i have no other way to describe
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this then what is in my mind which is
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like this is just childish venting
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that's what that's what it feels like it
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just feels like you're a little kid who
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is pointlessly flailing against the
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system you should just pay the two
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pounds you know if it makes you happy
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braiding I can't argue against that I
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mean I can't totally disagree with you
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but I mean I see it as being akin to the
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people who like respond to spare but
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emails now I get spammed to string the
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Milan away some of their time
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mhm and that also is pointless and
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childish but let's just something
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sometimes people do not i think i'm
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doing the snail mail equivalent of that
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like they've automated their frustration
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process they've obviously got this
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printer that's a thousand years old that
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Prince these things and online
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tricks and you send it to some post box
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and you know they're impossible to speak
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with and so they're obviously just this
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got this lumbering frustration machine
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where they've just minimizing all of
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their costs and effort to make this
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money so I'm like well if you're gonna
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do that if you're going to minimize all
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of your effort to take my money i'm
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going to try and make you at least up
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here for a little bit lazy bones is I
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don't stupid and when I like with a big
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smile on my face went downstairs and
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shared my wife what I did and so the
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woman nice that's when I knew it was
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stupid as well that was gonna ask how I
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was gonna see if it's just like I just
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don't think she had the energy to even
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like comment she was just like rolled
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her eyes and I enjoy that scene in my
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mind where your wife thinks you have
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been upstairs busy doing something
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productive
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he come to an intersection back its
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check your water it up taped up on but
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to give out liner frustration to a
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company that you need to pay two pounds
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to the light out
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is this what you do all day it is that
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you're doing something useful know Brady
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causing pointless frustration to others
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so here's the question right I kind of
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realize now that I've made a mistake
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wrap okay but I've already done right
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I've done is sealed it's addressed
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should i go to the trouble of opening
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all my self extracting the check and
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just sending it in a normal envelope
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when you said this before why don't you
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just throw it away and write a new check
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if you're going to do that and that's
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true that's true
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you get it cause yourself father
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frustrate harder because this little
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piece of pipe no greatest and there's
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another the second piece of paper you
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have to attach with the check that it
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comes with their know who the checks
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from so i would have to open it to get
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that second piece of paper so i can't
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just throw it away with the check and
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write another check
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I you just have to send it now Brady you
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just have to send it i would be willing
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to bet you one pound em that you will
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simply just receive another bill from
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this company right they're going to get
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this envelope just throw it away and
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then later in their system six months
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down the line they're gonna send you a
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bill for four pounds that's what's going
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to happen
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that's my bet no one's even going to
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open this envelope I'm just trying to do
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the math in my head to see whether it's
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worth taking that bet and what they're
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all the implications will be because
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then I'd have to pay five pounds if I
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lose the bet if i win the bet you pay
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half of my next to pants can I get back
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to you on that
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okay you let me know if you spend 30
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minutes working out the odds of whether
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or not it makes sense to accept this
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one-pound bet you go right ahead and
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then I will be happy to accept or reject
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based on whatever you want to do buddy
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you have another fruitful 30 minutes of
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doing something for a trivial amount of
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money if not everything is about money
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they're not everything is about time too
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many sometimes you do something just
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because you do it like not everything
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can have like a cost-benefit analysis
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attached to it I think everything has a
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cost benefit analysis attached to it
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tell me about YouTube heroes it seems
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like we can go between two podcasts
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without YouTube coming up with another
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hairbrained scheme upsets everyone and
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this YouTube heroes thing has been the
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latest kerfuffle to me filling up my
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favorite the last couple of weeks I've
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been pretty busy with my work and I
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haven't really dipped into these things
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but I know about this thing called
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YouTube heroes and my understanding of
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it is like people can flag content and
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they're going to give these people
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powers they shouldn't have to ruin their
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careers and can you talk me through it
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gray can you give me the idiots guard
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yes well that's a sigh I'm settling back
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at i'm leaning back tell me all about it
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yeah youtube heroes I mean first of all
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i have to say how much i absolutely love
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that name
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it's a fantastic program
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yeah you two heroes doesn't make me
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cringe in any way that doesn't make me
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feel like it's overblown in the
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slightest it inspires me
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do you feel inspired by braiding day I
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want to be a youtube here would you like
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to be a hero at Howdy's silver buttons
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does when required to become an Aug be
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right i don't know maybe 10 maybe ten
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maybe ten i don't know i don't know any
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of this stuff you've got to tell me
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ok so naff night
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obviously yeah obviously an F name and
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if i was going to rename it just to show
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my hand at the beginning of this i
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propose to alternative names for the
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YouTube Heroes program
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yep it should be either called YouTube
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tools or YouTube whole monitors ok this
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is the way I feel about this
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ok that's like pre fits yeah okay so
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what YouTube is that rolled out just
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earlier this week as we are recording is
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earlier this week as we are recording is
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essentially a kind of moderation program
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that they're implementing and so they
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put up this little youtube video with
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add subtitles to youtube videos these
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everybody kind of flipped out about is
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this notion that there's some level of
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what was originally labeled as like
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inappropriate content on YouTube but
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great anyone can flag videos a flag with
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extra power presumably like their
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flagging means it gets pulled down all
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yes this is what I think caused a bunch
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of the confusion because exactly this
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and and you go to any video there's a
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little button to report it as
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inappropriate content like this is
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already a thing that you can just do
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anybody can do this
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yeah and that doesn't mean it's going to
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get ripped down it just means if a
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hundred people do it in 10 minutes I
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shame someone that says hang on let's
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have a look at this
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right exactly like presumably that's
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what's occurring if you press the report
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button it doesn't immediately remove
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someone's video
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no but i think that this is in the long
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line of like YouTube not being super
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great communication I think this is
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partly what caused the problem because
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if they release a video saying youtube
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heroes have the ability to flag
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inappropriate content and showed someone
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like Apple II clicking on a bunch of
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videos are looking to get like little
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red x's on them
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yeah because people can already report
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stuff people are naturally going to
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assume that there must be more to this
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like otherwise what are you talking
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about you're talking about a feature
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that already exists and so I think
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people were very quick to jump to the
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conclusion that
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that YouTube heroes must be able to
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remove content from YouTube because
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otherwise what are you talking about
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in the meantime what has occurred is
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that YouTube has come out to try to
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clarify the situation with YouTube
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heroes and as far as i can tell YouTube
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heroes just seems to be a way that
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youtube is trying to create a group of
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people whose flagging of videos they can
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weigh more heavily okay 1,000 civilians
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flag video lets off a warning bell at
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YouTube but if 20 heroes flag video that
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sets off the same warning bell that's
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the impression that i'm getting that's
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the way it seems to be I hope that's the
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case and I hope we're not just like
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digging you too bad about how they
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should be in because they're doing
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something stupid
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well there was a reddit AMA which was an
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interview with a bunch of people who
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were you two heroes which is still a
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hard time even just saying it up because
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it's like you want to like this like the
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most unheroic thing ever because it
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feels kind of like tattling yeah I
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should be code youtube snitches
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I understand the problem that YouTube
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has like I understand that there is a
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really horrific stuff which is uploaded
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to YouTube constantly like youtube I do
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get it that there's a lot of horrors
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that most normal people never seen on
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youtube and you and you need ways to
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figure out all this stuff but it's like
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the hero named just feels so wrong for
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like the thing that's happening because
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most people's experience it's a bit
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grandi ice isn't it yeah it's a bit
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grandiose and you know even the videos
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like every hero needs a bit of glory and
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again from like reading about what it is
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it feels a lot like janitorial work like
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boy his place is a real mess like we
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need a bunch of people to clean it up
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how can we get them to clean it up will
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call them heroes like will give them
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points to do that its just oh so you
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think they need someone to do poor and
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grunt work and their incentivizing them
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with mike glory
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ok have you seen the actual video that
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was the original announcement video
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no well apparently that's impossible now
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because i heard another controversy was
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they changed the video like with the
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same link they actually went in and
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replaced the video with had to change a
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few things that had caused the most
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problems and it's only like it through
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dodgy you know pirate versions you can
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see what they originally said yeah this
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also falls into the category of how do
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you best extinguish controversy online
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probably not by using powers that nobody
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else has to change your video and to
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make no reference about the changes that
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have occurred and hope nobody notices
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that's probably not the best way to calm
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the situation down is to literally 1984
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style throw your original video down the
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memory hole and replace it with a new
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video that has changed the wording of
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key points
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it's like guys that this is not the way
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to do this this is going to come nobody
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down this is going to make everybody
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angrier because now they can point to a
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thing where you're trying to go back and
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like retro actively change something
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like it's fine to try to be clearer but
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if you're trying to be clearer you have
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to do that in a clear way not like over
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going back and we're just changing the
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thing and we're not going to make any
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reference to it yeah it's the worst way
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to do this the minor problem with that
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is as well it's not just like being
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caught in a cover-up which is the worst
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possible thing to happen right let's
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also dredged up this out
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acorn of people wanting to be able to
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replace and fix their videos what
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exactly is the last debate they wanted
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to get drawn into a whole other thing
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now they've been pulled into that buddy
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storm as well right
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I think that's something we brought up
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on the first episode of Hello internet
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two years ago in fact that desire to
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replace us as a thing that all creators
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would love to have it as like obviously
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youtube as the owner of the platform is
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like of course they can go in and modify
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their own database like surprise is none
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is just dredging up another thing for
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creators to get really angry about and i
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do want to have just like
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a little moment of sympathy for you too
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because while youtube definitely I think
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we as we have mentioned many times does
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not handle these situations of
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communicating with creators well because
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ultimately like the heroes program i
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think is relatively innocuous but came
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across in just the wrong way and turned
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into a gigantic storm it's like YouTube
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you must know by now that there is a
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growing industry of people who make a
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living off of youtube outraged right
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it's like people know now that there is
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profit to be made by getting furious at
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YouTube immediately about stuff and if I
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if you're aware of that you need to be
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careful i wonder why people think that's
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us which I don't think we are but
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whenever these scandals come up my
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Twitter fills up with people going are
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brady and great you got to go and kick
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youtube about YouTube heroes now as well
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like I feel like where they put in that
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boat of it and I have sympathy for you
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to I don't want to kick them i really
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like them all the people there i have
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met are like and like they've created
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this thing that's given me like a career
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so I don't like that business industry
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of kicking them in the gas but there
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sure as hell is crazy i think this is
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the one especially because we just went
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through the d monetization thing
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whatever it was two or three weeks ago
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and then this happens
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yeah i think it's close enough that it
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becomes obvious that in a way it's funny
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but I see a similar pattern with
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whenever a new iPhone comes out there is
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obviously an industry of people who are
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just desperate to find what is the thing
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wrong with this phone to turn it into
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the scandal about this phone
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yeah because it means that there's a ton
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of money to be made if you are the first
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person who can find something wrong with
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the phone like this is just a thing that
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exists yet the antenna that doesn't work
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or the battery that over hate so right
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or like bending it on purpose right to
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try to like it affects heard a lot of
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foresight like that's been on Ben's how
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outrageous like yeah of course it
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doesn't
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why wouldn't it but this is like a thing
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and so I think yeah
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youtube finds himself in the position of
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there are people who
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will want to get angry at everything
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they do immediately because now this
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itself has become like a metal genre
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that exists on the platform in the same
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way that like youtube drama exists that
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people love to get angry at other
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YouTube channels and that that YouTube
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channels creators being angry at other
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Creators is it like a total thing that I
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think is sometimes done like quite
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cynically right where I'm not sure how
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much people really care but it's like
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you get a lot of attention if you're
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creating like a fight between two
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youtube channels so yeah I definitely
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have sympathy for you to be in this
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situation and it's part of the reason
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why I didn't want to go on Twitter and
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complain about stuff right away because
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I did feel like let me wait to see what
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youtube says and then I only said
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something on Twitter when they pulled
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the memory hole trick like we're just
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gonna retro actively wipe the video and
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put something up the new and like now
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you've just made a terrible mistake like
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now I feel a little bit better coming
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out and saying like this is awful like
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this is not a good idea you don't do
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this but i did kinda want to wait
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because I didn't want to have just like
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a knee-jerk reaction about it i think
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people expect us to be super angry about
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this but in many ways i think the
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YouTube heroes is largely much ado about
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nothing
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I don't necessarily think it's a big
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deal or as big of a deal as people /
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traded initially rah
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so the obvious concern would be imbuing
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an authorized strangers with a great
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power to have videos removal and
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creators penalized if that's not the
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do you have any thoughts about if
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they're just like you know giving
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frequent flyer points to people who
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helped them by doing lots of their grunt
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work then do you have any concerns about
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that or do you just think it's like just
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a bit of an a thing or do you have any
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thoughts about them in listing all this
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free labor rather than employing more
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people themselves to fix these problems
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they want out with because that was one
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of the other criticisms i saw it was a
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shows like sign up to be a youtube hero
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then what can you do when you join the
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workshops that sounds like a business
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meeting
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that's what that sounds like you you're
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part of the HR department and we're
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going to have a workshop about what
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counts as appropriate and inappropriate
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content on YouTube like surely that's
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what you mean by these workshops like
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what else are the workshops going to be
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about two enough free work for us and
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we'll try to be more free work right and
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will train you to make sure that you're
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to happen and then the next one is the
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like it says take part in hero video
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chats and i want to show someone who's
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super happy to be talking to three
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chat like and again it's like okay so
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this is a conference call the structure
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of this whole thing is YouTube has a
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problem where they want to make sure
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that content that doesn't mean they're
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appropriate guidelines like isn't on
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their website and again like a case i
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can sort of go along with that to a
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certain extent but if the whole
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them solve this problem Nick what are
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these video chats going to be of course
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they're just going to be more meetings
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like it's just it's a meeting with
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someone who's higher up is going to be
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telling you how they want you to do your
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hero job
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it essentially says if you follow it
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through like here's what happens you
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join up to be a hero
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you will be trained at workshops and
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through video chats on how to be a hero
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if you are good enough will unlock tools
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so that you can
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deal with videos on a much wider faster
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scale so you can do more stuff for us
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that's worrying
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yeah if you do a good job of this you
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will eventually be able to go to a
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conference with other YouTube heroes and
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so it's like all of it just sounds like
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its work it just sounds like this is
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essentially a free job that we want
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people to do for youtube I don't know
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how to feel about that
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it's partly why i keep thinking of it as
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like YouTube Hall monitors like you have
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these hall monitors in school and every
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school does this and as a teacher when
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you see the kids who sign up to be the
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Hall monitors they can have some
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thoughts about those kids
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what kind of kids sign up to be home
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monitors the other thing that's a bit
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concerning the great to do you have any
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YouTube Heroes program but you know a
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bit more than a is there any indication
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that these rewards you earn come from
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the number of times you snitch because
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that also sounds like a problem to me
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because it's a bit like you know
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rewarding parking inspectors for how
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many tickets they give suddenly they
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become more and more draconian and less
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lenient or they won't start you know
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pushing the Rose a little bit themselves
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because they're being rewarded for
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punishing others so i hope the heroes
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are being rewarded for the number of
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videos they watch and not the number of
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videos they flag because i don't want
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them to stop flagging things to try and
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get their reward points up right so
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reading through the interviews another
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put out here is my best understanding of
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how the system works so videos that are
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flagged on youtube now whether it be by
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heroes or just as regular civilians in
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the trenches who are not heroes
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ultimately all that happens is that
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those videos then go to some mysterious
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actual group of paid employees within
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YouTube who determine whether or not
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like the content is or is not
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appropriate right and so this group of
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actual youtube employees makes a call
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about yes this is a video that should
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have been reported and we're going to
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remove it or not
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yeah and YouTube gave a number which
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says that if you look at just randos
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flagging videos their accuracy as
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measured by how often does YouTube agree
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it's like thirty percent accurate so
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randos flag videos way more than YouTube
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thinks the content is actually
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inappropriate which is not surprising
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it's interesting to have a number
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attached to that what do you think you
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think the numbers too big you think the
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numbers too small
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I've never thought about it before so
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now that i think about a yeah I guess
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anyone can flag video just because they
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didn't like or someone's hair looked
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like or they could let you know
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press the wrong button so i guess if
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just one flag counts in that number then
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I'm not surprised thirty percent
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effective could have easily been lower
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debt to me at that number seems almost
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crazily high when you think if I like
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how much people disagree about what is
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or is not appropriate content like the
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fundamental part of this whole
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conversation is like what is the notion
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of appropriate content will put that
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aside for the moment
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yeah so regular people have a terribly
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low hit rate what I think is happening
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and what seems to be the case is that
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the YouTube heroes is a way to isolate
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the people whose flagging agrees much
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more with YouTube's actual paid
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employees who determine what is it is
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not appropriate
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yeah and so I saw on the red discussion
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with people who are the beta program for
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the heroes that their numbers were in
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like the 90 95 plus percent agreements
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with the YouTube paid employees and so
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my speculation here is that they're not
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getting points for simply flagging
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videos that there's some kind of
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algorithm about how much do you agree
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okay with what our actual employees are
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that's good that's kind there were some
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comments along those lines of people who
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are flagging videos that don't really
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ever get a agreement or have very low
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agreement rates that they're essentially
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pushed out of the program or the system
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doesn't really recommend them
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ok so that's why i say like the heroes
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thing it seems to me to just be
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YouTube's attempt to create a more
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reliable group of people who are
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flagging videos
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yeah that's what this purpose is that
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they say look if we just look at all of
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the flags is is very noisy data it's
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only thirty percent right which means
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we're wasting seventy percent of our
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let's get a bunch of Ernest busybody
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hall monitor types to flag videos and
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essentially cut down on the workload for
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our actual pain employees that's kind of
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the way this program strikes me that's
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what's occurring here we will reward you
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with something that's very much like a
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job but it's not a job and might involve
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conferences we will reward you with this
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for acting as a pre-filter for the work
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that our actual paid employees have to
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do and that's what the heroes program is
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that's what i mean by like it's sort of
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a whole lot of nothing
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I almost wonder why YouTube is even
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bothering publishing this they could
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have done a secretly couldn't night we
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could have all had a secret number
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attached to us on a sort of flag
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accuracy
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yeah and they could have just known
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Brady's a hero he's flags are always
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ignore raise flags because he's like you
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know he's a bit of a hothead all these
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trigger-happy oh they could have had all
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the data and done this program that was
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knowing i guess that what they want to
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do the reason that made a public is to
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incentivize people to flag because if I
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see something inappropriate i'm going to
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be honest with you I don't forget I just
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think well that's inappropriate and
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probably stop watching
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look I'm not a flag that because I'm not
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stitch that Brady's no rat
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exactly so I guess that's why they've
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made a public because they want people
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to you know take pride in being a snitch
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well I don't know it's the cut and that
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thing that you expect from a super
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thanks for asking company like that you
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they're all you know they're reaching
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out and building communities and making
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heroes and that's RI I appreciate that
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i'm just a cynical person here in
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England getting rained on and thinking
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everything's terrible and they're over
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there in the sunshine thinking
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everything's lovely and we all can be
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yeah I don't know it's just I have these
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conflicted feelings about this in some
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ways I think it's much ado about nothing
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and if people want to participate in
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this program I mean fine i guess i don't
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really have an issue with it to me it's
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also tied up with so much of the
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internet is related to the fact that
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it's a tool that allows a kind of
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distributed coordination among lots of
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people like the very fact that I feel
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like I really need to draw the sharp
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line between there's some group of
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people who are getting paid at YouTube
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to take down videos and there are
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there's this other group of people who
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are doing very very similar work but are
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not getting paid and this is like heroes
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vs. employees but this dynamic exists
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all over the web in lots of different
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forms that i feel like i can't really
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complain about United's like Wikipedia
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is the easiest example ever
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are there people who work at Wikipedia
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who get paid by the funds that wikipedia
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raises but wikipedia is built on top of
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an enormous army of people who have
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created an entire bureaucracy within
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wikipedia about who are more or less
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trusted editors this actually affects us
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personally with our hello internet page
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which got vandalized so many times that
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well now you have to be some certain
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level of wikipedia editor before you're
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allowed to make change
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I don't know why our page would have
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been vandalized so frequently I can't
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believe that now I have no idea that it
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was probably the loose affection but
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that's an example of like do I have a
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real problem with that no is it because
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wikipedia is a not-for-profit company i
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same thing as heroes you know your
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pointless glory if you get karma for
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submitting links that people like me and
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you lose karma when you say on popular
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things I don't know I just feel like so
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much of the internet is different
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versions of this and it's hard to have a
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consistent feeling about it even again
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like my framing of YouTube heroes is
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like YouTube tools like you are being
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participating in this program i can say
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that but then at the same time like do I
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feel like a tool uploading or
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downloading links on reddit
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no do I feel like a tool if I correct a
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typo on wikipedia know
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so is this that different and I just
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these people don't have the final say in
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things then it's pretty hard to complain
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about it if these people don't have the
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sole power to remove a video from
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youtube or you know effect creators fair
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opportunity on the platform then it's
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pretty hard to complain about it and I
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guess they have the power to send more
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of us to court and previously before
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they're almost like slightly more
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powerful police men at play and they can
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let you know if their referrals carry
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greater weight they're gonna start
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sending more people to the court of
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YouTube to be ruled around there like a
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secret police
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yeah yeah so that's really what it is
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what it feel like and I agree with you
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like more people will be before the the
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court of YouTube yeah but then again if
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you two have got their act together luck
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Yusei maybe they do and the police are
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being monitored and you know if you're a
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policeman who's reporting lots of people
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wrongly you lose your badge then alright
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then sounds like they've kind of got a
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system in place that's kinda going to
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I think they're trying to defuse a lot
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of the anger and confusion over this by
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saying that like we're just referring
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stuff up to the the actual court we
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don't have the power to remove videos
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like let's make it clear that's not the
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case and so to me it feels like they're
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diffusing anger around the YouTube
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Heroes program
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but still always comes back to like the
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real argument takes place over what is
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it that the YouTube court decides and
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the heroes thing is just a total
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distraction on the side like that's
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actually what matters is what does
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YouTube think is appropriate or
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inappropriate for their platform that is
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a complicated question their guidelines
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are vague and I think intentionally
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vague so that they can rule the way they
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want a purely selfish perspective great
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do you worry about that because I mean
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you seem to be so far from that line in
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the sand of what is acceptable and not
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acceptable content that this must not
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even come into your mind like it's not
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like anything you've ever made is gonna
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get ripped down for that reason so are
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you worrying just because of a general
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worry about the platform or free speech
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perspective I i have no personal
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connection to this fight in the sense
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that I I think it's pretty unlikely that
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any video that i would upload would
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probably be deemed by YouTube is
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inappropriate content but just because
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it doesn't affect me is not a question
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of if i find it concerning or not
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again I always want to sympathize with
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you like I understand that they're in a
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difficult position but i always start
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getting really uncomfortable when people
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are outlining guidelines of what is and
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is not appropriate because ultimately
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this comes down to some kind of like
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human consensus decision even whenever
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you try to like write out the guidelines
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really what it boils down to is like
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we're going to have some group of people
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and they are going to decide what's cool
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and what's not cool it's like it's
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really interesting whenever you talk to
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people about how it's it's so hard to
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get people to agree on what they think
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is appropriate or inappropriate so I I
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just start getting a little bit
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uncomfortable and a little bit nervous
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when this gets set up like there is a
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court somewhere that makes decisions I I
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like a more free-for-all approach to
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this stuff all that great for as long as
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we've been talking about this you know
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we've been talking
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this since before we even started making
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hello internet and you've always very
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much had this attitude that
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hey YouTube the company they own it they
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can't decide what to do with it we all
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have to live with that
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you know it's not like it's a
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democratically elected government is not
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like a free open-source thing we're in
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their hands we have to accept it and
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that's the price we pay for being on a
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blue and then over time you seem to be
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drifting more and more towards this
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thing where you believe it is like this
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Democratic place where people should be
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allowed to do what they want and people
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shouldn't be in charge and look a
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hundred percent sure where you sort of
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stand on that now
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well no there's a distinction here which
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is the YouTube is a company and they can
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do what they want and I think the heroes
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program along with the d monetization
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strategy that happened a couple weeks
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ago I think this is all combined with
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the knowledge that youtube is still not
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profitable as far as I'm aware of this
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last time we checked up on that I think
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that this is all generally a movement
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toward make youtube more advertising
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friendly and more profitable like that
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that's what they want to do and like can
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I argue against that as the goal of
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YouTube as a company now it's entirely
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within their rights and partly their
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obligation to do just that
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like I'm not necessarily even saying
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like if I was the CEO of YouTube would I
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act differently like well the CEO of
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YouTube is under a bunch of constraints
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she's not just a person who can just do
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whatever she wants like she has
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obligations to shareholders she has
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obligations to the parent company like
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there are goals that are set like she
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can't just do with thing and so I
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understand why this happens but that's a
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different question from like how do i
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personally feel knowing that there is a
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YouTube court who ultimately their goal
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is to keep the platform advertiser
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friendly i'm not a super fan of that
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feeling i don't really like that but I
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can understand why it occurs it's also a
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very different question of like we've
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had this essentially this same
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discussion when you talk about like
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Reddit like and what kind of content can
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be on reddit and read it has gone
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through this stuff like ever
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three social media platform goes through
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this exact same thing of it becomes this
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enormous thing its CEOs its board of
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directors have structural obligations
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that they're trying to meet there trying
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to make it profitable how do you do it
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part of the way is to remove content
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that advertisers don't like this happens
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all the time but it's a different
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question of like let's say somehow i was
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running a video sharing company and it
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was also with thing that I had never had
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to do venture capital funding for that I
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had no investors in like it was just a
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100-percent privately held company you
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know what would I do with that service i
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feel like i would try to lean as far as
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possible along the like easy to legal in
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the country that it's being published in
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if that's the case then obviously it has
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to come down because I would have to
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work within the constraints of the law
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like you can't go against that but i
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feel like i would try to lean personally
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much further on the like do you say
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things that people really don't want you
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to say it's like well their words and
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people might not like them but I'm a
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more ok with like leaving up stuff that
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i don't personally agree with but that's
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a totally different situation where you
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are imagining that I have way more
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leeway and running a thing it's like
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it's my private company i have no one to
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answer to how would I do it you know but
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then like with all this stuff there's
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always going to be edge cases and edge
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cases are where stuff starts to Road and
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so like I have a lot of sympathy for the
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people who do end up in charge of these
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big systems
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yeah and of course it also gets
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complicated when children get involved
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as well yeah I mean well that's why all
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of these services have at least the
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extensible rule that no children should
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be using them in the first place which
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we all know is a lie but as the like
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yeah there's nobody under 13 on facebook
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i'm sure there aren't but so that's why
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it's it's complicated
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I have sympathy for the people who are
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in charge of this but that is very
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different from like my personal feelings
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about how it goes but i understand i do
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think there's
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one complicating factor though which is
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I think we're now in a world where
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social media services
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I don't know this is what matters is
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probably going a little bit too far but
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they're almost like public forums other
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almost like a kind of public property
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where it's it's very easy to say like Oh
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youtube as an individual entity is
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allowed to do whatever it wants and
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shutdown people that it doesn't like and
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twitter is also able to do that and
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facebook is also able to do that and
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like on an individual case it's always
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easy to point to one of them and to say
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like oh yes of course they should be
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able to do it but in the aggregate I
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don't know I feel like they are very
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rapidly becoming absolutely vital tools
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of human communication and to restrict
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those in ways makes me a little bit
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uncomfortable but yeah I think it might
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be a little bit too far to say like oh
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it's almost like they're public squares
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where people should be able to talk
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about whatever they want i don't really
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think that's the case but I think as
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they become more powerful and more
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central in our lives they up approach
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that they they really do we're like
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removing someone from twitter is is
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damaging I think they do agree with you
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yeah I see what you're reluctant to go
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pitfalls but i think they have getting
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very close to that I know why you're
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scared to talk about talking about it
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because it's very complicated
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I'm not scared are talking about it i
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just think it's like to actually declare
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that there's something like a public
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forum is a very different thing you know
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just like everybody should have the
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right to say what they want on and
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actually private companies property i
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can't really cross that line is it's
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like there's conflicting values here of
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should companies be able to do what they
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want with their property yes it should
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people be able to express themselves
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even if they express ideas that not
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everybody likes yes that you run into
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conflicts of these two things I maybe
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I'm just thinking of this it as I go
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along so maybe this is a stupid thing
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but I think to use a UK example I think
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maybe some of these platforms like
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facebook and twitter we're almost get
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into a situation where you need to treat
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them almost like the UK has public
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rights-of-way what do you mean well that
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in the UK you can own a piece of land
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like you can own a farm or something
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but if there's a public right-of-way if
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it's a path going through it
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the public has a fundamental right to
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walk across and you can't say get off my
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land I own the land although it is your
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land em the public has a right to walk
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across it to get from A to B into do
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certain things there's a whole bunch of
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famous protests things in sort of UK
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history that got a lot of landmarks
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stuff happened I appreciate where there
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was a big protests about this because
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for ethical farmer was like shutting his
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land and not letting the hikers and the
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walkers go across this land and all
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kicked off and in the end it was a great
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victory for walkers around the UK and
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that's why the UK such a great place to
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walk to this day because we have these
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public rights-of-way where you can walk
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across other people's land in certain
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cases Lou at but that doesn't mean the
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person doesn't either land and I think
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like Facebook and Twitter maybe a
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getting into that sort of territory
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where yes Facebook owner and they can
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find sheep on if they want and they can
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plant a tree and they can make money
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that's all they're right but there still
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is a public right-of-way component to it
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where they have to acknowledge that if
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they're going to own this mega farm in a
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popular place the public have to be able
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to use it to in certain ways that they
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can't just put a padlock on the gate the
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public do have certain rights
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hmm that's an interesting metaphor
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that's an interesting way to think about
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it if it turns out being a good one
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just remember i said at first is a lot
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if it's a lousy one let's just pretend
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that never happened
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