Cortex 22: Statistics Aren't Everything
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I don't think that maybe have like just
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a very small handful of shows if that
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which have smaller audiences then way I
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don't know what I'm saying that sentence
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it was not working you gotta start over
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abort abort abort where I with Who am I
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you don't sound so great Mike yeah i've
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been i've had like the worst potentially
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the worst illness i could have ball one
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what is now I need to know what is the
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bar one the ones doing this I could have
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his learning giants who but what do you
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have now I have a throat infection in my
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throat infection that is really damaging
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to my business that is a professional
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yeah your line of work sir I'm surprised
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it's taking this long
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you've not had any throat infections or
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throat related illnesses in the entire
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time you've gone you got a full-time
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with podcasting that hasn't happened yet
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this is the first actual real illness
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ipad since I started really like this is
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the first thing that stopped me walking
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I noticed that you were sick enough that
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you were pulling back from some podcasts
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and not doing much work as you normally
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would on any which is yeah that's I've
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really liked to have been sick for maybe
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four or five days and I've done like
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some work one half day but I've dragged
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you out of bed to record cortex here you
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even make it sound I mean I need to tell
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the listeners how nice you've been to me
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the last few days I know it's breaking
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your character you know that you're not
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just a robot who you have actually been
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very nice to me
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you've been very accommodating it's
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actually in character because it's much
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less about you getting better and much
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more about like oh I don't have to
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record an episode this week I feel like
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you should see the thing I feel like
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you're trying to give the impression i
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like to believe that you genuinely care
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I happy to let you believe it
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I tell you what though it's finished
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range to actually be kind of in bed sick
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not working
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who this is the face of the first time
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that I've done this and it reminds me a
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little bit more of what it was like to
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work a job you know how so
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because when you work for yourself you
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kind of you do things you wouldn't
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otherwise do like you work on your
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holidays you know who you if you're if
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you've got a sore throat or you've got a
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stomachache or something then maybe you
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you are still more likely to just put up
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with it then
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where previous you might be like a dove
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great today I'm not going to go to work
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right but now it's like no I can't work
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and and that has been kind of a real
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peculiar thing for me like I've had
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stuff coming in of any emails come in
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and see what they are like I just can't
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do this but there's been some things
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I've needed to do with and I've been
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sending emails to be brown like I'm
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gonna have to get back to you in a few
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days because I'm not really with it
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right now and I've been genuinely
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worried that I would agree to something
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or say something that would be bad
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like I have to send a few emails to
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sponsors and stuff to let them know that
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some of the shows are going to be late
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and I read the emails back and it was
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like they were written by a
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nine-year-old like I don't know why but
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they were just stitch is written so
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badly and I was like okay I'm very
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pleased i decided to take a few days to
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just rest
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yeah so this wasn't the time to be
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renegotiating quarterly rates
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no no answer although I'm sorry to tell
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you that last one is now past
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twenty-five thousand episode let's look
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at it looks like i need to update some
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spreadsheets in mind that if it's going
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to change something
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yeah I've limited to the bottom of the
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list I'm not just merely sitting in
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anymore because we have to start a whole
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brand-new list i can't remember the
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first time that I was really sick after
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getting self-employed but I mean what
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one of the things is since I used to be
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a teacher i used to get sick way more
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because you're exposed to kids all the
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time which are super germany and so just
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like getting throat infections are just
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getting sick with a much more frequent
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occurrence and you're talkin all day you
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know you
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putting stress on those those parts of
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your body as well yeah you did you busy
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all day you're interacting with people
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and I just it's it's unavoidable so it
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seems like since i became self employed
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i am i'm sick much much less frequently
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but i am aware of the same thing at as
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you which is it just like in some ways
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when you're sick and you have a regular
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it's like a snow day right he's like a
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grown-up snow days like you know what I
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don't feel very well today maybe I can't
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leave the house and I cuz I'm just I'm
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not doing well but in comparison to
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having to go into work this is a holiday
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that has been a weird part of me like
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once I once I kind of settled into my
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office where I was like whilst I feel
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terrible mean it's kind of nice to just
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lay in bed and one making a murderer who
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write which I watched over two days
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good that's the only way to watch it's
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the only way to do it relaxing is the
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wrong word because I horrible i actually
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haven't felt this ill years I can't
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remember the last time I felt this bad
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like not in my adult life anyway and so
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I've not atrocious but they're still win
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this part where it's like this is
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slightly different to regular but i have
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I I want to come back to this in a
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minute but there was one thing like you
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saying about getting sick as a as a
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teacher which makes sense
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no sitting in the doctor's like Howard
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doctors how how are they alive like all
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day they are seeing sick people right I
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don't understand how dr. stay healthy
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I mean I'd be curious to know but my
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presumption is that they don't my
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presumption is that doctors are are in
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an even worse position than teachers are
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I bet doctors take an enormous amount of
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sick time like they get sick much more
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than the general population they just
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have to it they cannot button and then I
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wonder is this some kind of like special
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medication to take it they keep the good
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stuff themselves do the cure all ills
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yeah and that's one of the things that
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you get with your doctor's license is
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awesome is also initiation into the
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Brotherhood of good medicine link when
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tell anybody else about like to give you
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a little note and you could give you a
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brown envelope
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so you just take one of these one time
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you set that but i think the general
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population feels like Oh doctors don't
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seem like they're sick but it's a
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selection bias because you're only able
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to make an appointment with the doctor
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when they're there right so you always
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see the doctor when the doctor is
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healthy and you feel like why doctors
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are always healthy how are they not take
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all the time I bet they actually are
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they have to be its she has to be like
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that you can't not then they see sick
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people like that is all they do they
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just talked to sick people they touch
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sick people look but don't touch people
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most of the time
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11 let's move on this is this is getting
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too much that you're looking at staying
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one of the things i think of I've
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realized this time more than ever it's
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kind of a like I am in the kind of
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situation I men from from a
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self-employed perspective I kind of work
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in a small company right like does this
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mean Stephen and there's a bunch of
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other people who do multiple different
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things you know like hosts and we have
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people that help out over things kind of
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like the hosts take on something
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additional responsibilities depend on
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the shows that they do but it hasn't
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been an issue for me um people filled in
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for me that kind of stuff and it's been
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nice to know that like i have this
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system around me that I didn't really
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know before cuz I've never needed it or
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felt like I needed to use it feels like
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we're all everybody's always kind of
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helping each other out like you find
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busy with something or Stephen busy with
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something or whatever we might step in
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for each other but this has been like a
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week of me just not doing anything and
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its last I checked the business and
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crumbled to pieces
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you know yeah this is your first test of
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a bit of a support system
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yeah with the tiny company that you have
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built and its really nice to know that
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it's worked which made me think of you
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all up there in your little ivory tower
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of 10 what do you do when you get sick
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I mean the answer is I don't work and
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everything comes to an absolute grinding
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halt like this there's no there's no way
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around that it's actually just i was i
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was pretty sick for a couple days a few
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weeks ago and it was a similar thing
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like okay well nothing's going to happen
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now and nothing I can do about that is
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totally fine
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yeah i think it's maybe less of an issue
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because of the way that local businesses
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are made up right yeah the way that our
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business works in like with the show
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this has to continue to be made for
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money to be made right because of the
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way that the our advertising comes in
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but it's different with YouTube right
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the videos that are there not doesn't
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make as much money as if you're putting
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out new ones but they still generate
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yeah the that is definitely one thing
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that I like about having the youtube
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videos up on YouTube is it provides a
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certain amount of semi passive income i
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haven't tested i haven't tested too long
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i mean there has to be there has to be
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some kind of half-life for if I don't
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upload videos in a year the the average
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daily views have to be going down i
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think the worst thing you could do is
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think about trying to test that you
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pushed it too far for like a year
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yeah if I'm sick
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it's not really a huge deal because I
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intentionally try to remove as many
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deadlines from my business as possible
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which is one of the reasons why cortex
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is always slightly annoying to me
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because you and your schedules and your
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deadlines it's like what is this thing
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in my life I have to be here at a time
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it's got it like Mike you know you're
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just so insistent about this because
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everything else is likely that you know
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hello internet will get out when it
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comes out when the video available when
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it's done you know like that's that's
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how I try to arrange things I feel like
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you must have known that this was going
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to be the case when we started this or
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at least you feel you thought you could
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change me
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so you hit a milestone i think it was
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last week sometime and you you cross 2
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million YouTube subscribers
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yeah just a course congratulations like
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see it's something like that do you
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is it a badge of honor 2 million i I'm
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one but 1,000,000 hooray but like then
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he is it like the next one is it five
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like always every million as exciting as
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the first million if I could start over
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but this is not to belittle two million
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of those numbers you know that you can't
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it's not even a number at this point
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podcast it's and it's even harder to
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tell subscribes and downloads and
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podcasting but our numbers stay pretty
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stable and that really doesn't seem to
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clear with a subscriber meant it meant
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way youtube was set up when that person
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obvious and very easy to see new stuff
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the annoyance of the great many people
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youtube like every other company that
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does this kind of thing has facebook
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eyes the experience meaning that you
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might like on facebook you might follow
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people but Facebook is in the business
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of deciding for you what you want to see
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their stuff and you and you don't see
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much so we're going to show
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you less like Facebook does that YouTube
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does that I'm getting the impression
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from some angry people on Twitter that
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twitter has made some motions in the
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an inevitable law of large media
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companies that they they want to switch
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from systems where you are telling them
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how you want to see things two systems
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where they are algorithmically
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determining for you
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what you're going to see and so now when
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people log onto youtube there's the they
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have a things collect what to watch and
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that is YouTube's suggestions about what
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you want to see i'm going to say that
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that what to watch
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I do watch a lot of videos that come
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from that the algorithm does work like I
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find lots of videos that i want to see
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from that suggestion
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oh yeah don't get me wrong youtube has
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some incredibly smart people working on
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that algorithm
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have you heard of google yeah it's like
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I'm not saying that it's bad and what it
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I'm just saying it's a different system
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like YouTube you can argue that it's a
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better system do I like it better as a
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creator
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no but does your average viewer probably
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watch more YouTube because of their
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algorithmic system they have to I'd be
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shocked if if they don't
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youtube is obsessed with this notion of
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watch time like how much time do people
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spend on the site and he dedicate
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enormous computing resources and a/b
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testing and all kinds of stuff to figure
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slightest that it is effective but
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because of that the way I view the
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subscriber button now is not go this
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person has subscribed to my channel and
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they will see every one of my videos
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the subscriber button now is you sending
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a signal to the algorithm and the
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algorithm is going to decide how
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important it considers that signal to be
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some really weird subscriber numbers
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like you do sometimes come across people
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who seem to have subscribers in the
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millions and view counts in like the
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tens or twenties thousands and it's like
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what is that like what's going on there
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algorithm has decided that the people
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who have subscribed to this channel are
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not actually interested in seeing this
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channels videos that's what's happening
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that's why i put just very little mental
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emphasis now on those subscriber numbers
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like it's interesting i'm glad when it
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goes up
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it's notable when I cross a big barrier
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but I used to be super obsessed with the
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subscriber numbers because it used to
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mean like when i press that publish
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button X number of people are going to
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see this as a new thing and now i know
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that when i press that button
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what really happens is almost certainly
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youtube just like Facebook does is like
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testing with a random subsection of the
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number of people who subscribe to me to
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see how many people click on it and then
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based on that it might recommend the
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video to a larger subsection of the
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number of people who subscribe to me
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like that's kind of what I presume is
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going on behind you know background and
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that's just a totally different feeling
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that like man when i press this button 2
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million people are going to see a thing
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that's not what happens and so it makes
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that two million number feel very
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different now it's almost like that
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number is and a theoretical upper
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threshold of market exposure i think
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that's that's where the subscriber
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number is in some ways so if the numbers
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going up it's an indication to you there
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are more people to see it potentially to
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see it yeah but its day these things do
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not move in correlation to each other
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they don't necessarily move a
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correlation to each other now yeah I i
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can very easily imagine that the that
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some channels would have a situation
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where people love to subscribe to that
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channel but the algorithm consistently
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learned like okay but they don't
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actually interact with the videos in the
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way that I expect and so I just want
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every show them very many videos from
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this channel like other stuff will
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always take over because what it seemed
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seeming to be coming clear to me that
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doesn't really seem to be like a
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plentiful threshold
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that you have to hit two hit a certain
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level like if you cross a million then
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your views one will always be X could do
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it doesn't feel like that makes any
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sense it's just so confusing to me
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because it must mean is it was you do
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you know where the people are coming
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from like I don't know what YouTube
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statistics are like I do you know that
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like a lot of these people aren't
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subscribers and you're actually getting
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a lot of like in bed watches from
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whatever Daily Mail website or something
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the YouTube analytics are pretty good
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that they give you some sense of if
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people are coming from external sites
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there's always the issue of anyone who
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runs analytics programs knows that you
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have this is big catch-all category like
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direct referrals where you have no idea
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like really where the person came from
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you just know that they hit a URL that
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that sent them there YouTube does the
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best that it can but I always whenever I
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have a chance to talk to anybody who
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works at youtube I would I want to know
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is how many of my subscribers saw this
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on their screen when they went to the
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what to watch section on YouTube are
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like I want to know what percent of
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people were even exposed to this or what
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percent of my subscribers have asked for
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email alerts that's the one number they
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don't want to give you and I can totally
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understand from YouTube's perspective
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why they don't want to do that they
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don't want channels i imagine being
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quite irritated to know like what do you
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mean you only tested this with one
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percent of my audience and then sent it
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out to five percent of my audience
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because it didn't do very well like I
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that if you know if that's what's going
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on here that stuff and it's like it
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well it makes your skin crawl because
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Facebook's whole business model is
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putting those numbers right in your face
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like with when i upload something on the
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like really happy to let you know like
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oh you have 20,000 fans on facebook we
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sent this to a hundred of them would you
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like to pay as more money to send it to
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more of the people who are fans of your
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maybe youtube is doing something like
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that as well right which is maybe right
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which is why you don't get all of the
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two million every time right yeah and
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you know with you wish the podcast as
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well is that people that click the
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button to subscribe to our shows they
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get every episode great choose what i
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listen to it like it comes to them who
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and the but then that's like the crazy
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things like of course it does
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to you like they're just all these weird
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things that YouTube seem to do like
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sometimes I get push notifications for
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people like like I have a couple of
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channels that I like to get notified
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about when a new video posts
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sometimes I don't get those
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notifications right sex and that was
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like what are you doing like I've got an
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extra step now in trying to ensure that
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i see these videos but you're still not
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telling me about them that that one like
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this one time i think i was looking for
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some pictures the other day and came
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across the other day i got this weird
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you ever this I got this like really
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weird push notification was like see
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latest from cgpgrey and you haven't
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uploaded in flex six weeks
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do you remember that oh yeah that's
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right that's right you just add the blue
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go gotta push notification about
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checkout see to creatively this video
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you know because they're doing some kind
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of tests right yeah that's my assumption
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into the random five percent that
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they're doing a test on and that's why
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you gotta push notification that is like
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yeah all of this is and and this is part
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biggest ones is like the how public and
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private numbers are who's like with
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the video
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by and large podcasters tend to keep
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their numbers private they just don't
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talk about them who we don't share them
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because people tend not to
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nobody does yeah it's it's weird it's
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like every podcast feels like it's in
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some kind of poker game with other
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podcast like to set your numbers on
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hello internet before and I nearly spent
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mighty out was because not only they are
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massive but also it was the fact that
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you set them on the show so well great
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you've broken the secret code that
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people don't like to talk about numbers
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in the podcast world in a way that I
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find strange because yes my I feel like
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I'm coming from this YouTube world and
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you actually have to double-check i'm
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pretty sure that in the option somewhere
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you can turn off the view numbers if you
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want to
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oh but nobody does yes it's the opposite
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of the private agreement
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everybody liked it is just agrees that
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they'll just show the numbers to
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everybody even more so it's a bit like
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when a bit like when people turn off
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comments on their videos it the the
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problems like oh you're one of those
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right like it's just you think you're
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better than us huh
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oh you're such a delicate little flower
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like nobody else's thoughts can if you
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can approach you like you're just to use
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separate from the rest of us taking away
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comments on youtube I almost always
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think it's like a worse thing to do then
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just leave it open right just leave it
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open because people hate it when you
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close the comments
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yeah just stuff I hate it yeah they're
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gonna find you and because you closed
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those comments like they're going to
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spend way more energy and trying to find
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you so just leave it open you know it's
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it's just a funny cultural thing i have
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only once seen someone do the no
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comments thing well which was this
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YouTube horror series called Marble
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Hornets which is a slender man like fan
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fiction horror series think this is
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really like obscure corner of the
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internet here Ivan I don't understand
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any of the woods
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but carry on i'm gonna i'm gonna carry
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on carry Thunderman is like this
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internet monster and his bunch of guys
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were making like a little video that had
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Slenderman like hunting them down in
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every video basically and they were
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uploading them to youtube and they
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disabled comments for sure and I think
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they disabled the ratings and it was one
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of those things where it's like okay you
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have made this experience feel different
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because I can't leave any feedback on
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this video this video is just like this
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thing that exists here and so then if I
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want to discuss this i have to go
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somewhere else and then it kind of
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foster like all of these communities
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around those videos discussing what's
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going on
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just google image search Slenderman
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letter for her comfortable anymore
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yeah it's super creepy like drinking
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from it's one of those things where it's
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like it's just all the wrong proportions
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to make you feel like oh god get this
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thing away from you I don't know about
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it and that that i will list
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MarbleHornets as the only effective use
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i have ever seen if someone turning off
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the comments and it was for a particular
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effect but if i ever saw someone who
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would like hidden the their view stats
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on youtube I feel like I've never stop
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laughing at them
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it was like oh ok that's the way you're
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going to do this all right i don't
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really know why it started like in the
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podcasting well and I think because it
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wasn't public people who didn't eat why
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would you talk about it
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yeah so everybody now just doesn't talk
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about it but you don't obviously you
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don't care to share right yeah I don't
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really care it's not especially you and
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Brady because you're both in the world
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of YouTube it seems very natural to talk
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about the numbers although again from my
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perspective I feel like the YouTube
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analytics are crystal clear there's that
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it's it's very obvious exactly how many
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people have watched your videos and
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precisely when they have stopped
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watching and all kinds of crazy
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informant for information like there's
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plenty of stuff to complain about you
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two but they their analytics are beat by
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yeah whereas from my perspective the
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podcast analytics opening seem like oh
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come on like these crazy numbers that
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are hard to interpret it feels like
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there's much more guesswork in the
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podcast world about how
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many people even listen because it's
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it's a bit of the reverse problem we're
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like sometimes someone subscribes to
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your podcast there can be a podcast
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player on their iphone which is
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downloading the episode diligently every
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week but the person never listens could
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be dead but they couldn't be dead with
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the iphone is still downloading shows
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stuff where I like i am convinced that
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podcast analytics don't capture people
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listening from the web in an accurate
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fashion so I always feel like the
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podcast stuff is just it's just crazy
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it's just all over the place when people
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ask me about hello internet now I know I
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say it's like okay my 99 percent
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confidence interval is like okay we have
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two hundred thousand listeners plus or
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minus fifty thousand listeners that that
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plus or minus number makes me shudder
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I can't imagine that margin of era
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I don't understand what is the way it is
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i think it's partly because we seem to
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have a huge number of people who listen
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on the web as best analytics can tell
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like our show
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it's not as big as hello internet it's
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sizable I'm not going to tell you what
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the numbers are just so you're not going
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to discuss the numbers no i'm not going
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to talk about them
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why can't get to it why I just can't do
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do I you want you know you can't do it
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because you are from the podcast world
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yeah exactly as I can't I can't talk
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about it i'll be breaking the secret
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code but our numbers are sizable that
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they were very large and we are
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relatively stable like that they're
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going up which is great so thank you
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everybody but that they don't differ by
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like twenty or thirty thousand a week
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like that doesn't happen mean there have
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been times that that happened and I've
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continuing to try and build my case for
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the shelling as the reason for this one
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day I really hope that you just test
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hello internet on a schedule and then
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the various stops and then
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and then i win nah but until that day
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i'm going to carry on fighting the good
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fight but yeah that that that 50,000
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swingman and freaks me out
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now we have me up at night well lucky
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you do youtube videos
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yeah but you see that the reason why I
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think I'm also very happy talking about
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these numbers is because a plus or minus
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fifty thousand so a spread of a hundred
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thousand to me a spread of a hundred
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thousand doesn't even register on
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youtube scale excellent i think it's
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like you know YouTube scales is spreads
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of plus or minus five million yeah if I
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if I had a comparative spread on a show
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I wouldn't honestly lose sleep at night
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about I talk about these numbers we talk
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about the subscribers on youtube because
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this is one of those cases where I think
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you need to figure out what statistics
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really matter and what statistics don't
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importance on youtube subscribers as a
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statistic that I followed and now I
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don't I I hardly think about it and
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quite frankly the two million thing
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really snuck up on me happy that video
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soliciting for questions entirely
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because like oh crap if I don't do this
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right now I'm going to miss the mark and
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I'm gonna look like an idiot asking for
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questions after yeah it was just it just
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snuck up on me too fast and then i have
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the same thing with the podcast which is
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like there as well
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listens feels like a number that i
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should be obsessed with but I just
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really don't think about it very much
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like I don't think those are necessarily
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I don't care to follow it on like a
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week-to-week basis it's not something
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that I focus on and I think it's very
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easy to get lost with following metrics
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that don't really directly impact
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anything like it's very easy for us and
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I see people do this sometimes where
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that people are super obsessed with how
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many followers they have on Instagram or
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snapchat or like whatever the newest
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social media thing is
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don't feel like okay okay but does that
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translate to anything with your business
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like I can't imagine that it does and i
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even have data to back this up like I'm
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i'm approaching a hundred thousand
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followers on twitter and like 93
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something now I think you know what i
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just did what this this shows you that
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I'm not really in the the right mental
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i just opened tweet but to to search for
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you look at that and in the search field
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type the word Twitter so i'm looking for
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a Twitter to see how many followers they
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have it set of cgpgrey we going to get
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back to full health
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mykes mykes not fully back yet fifty
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percent of the way here
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sweet and gentle today yeah I'm here so
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i mention this is it as a thing which is
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like people talk about oh it's really
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important to promote your business on
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social media and I now find myself in
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the position that i have more followers
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on Twitter than most people who are
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trying to promote a business are going
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to have but i like to do tests on
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twitter with sometimes like track
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through urls to see how many people
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click on a thing how many people like
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retweet this or whatever like i can tell
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you even with a huge amount of followers
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like the number of people who click on
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URL is very small
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I think people end up thinking a lot
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about visible statistics because they're
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visible and they're easy to track i see
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people think how can i increase the
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number of people who follow me on
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an easy thing to conceptualize but I
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a super effective tool and with a
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minimum amount of tracking you can see
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statistics is not going to help you at
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call it just doesn't matter because
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your link it's not actually that big of
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almost all the time like it just doesn't
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matter I've definitely learned over time
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like if we have something like if we're
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selling a t-shirt or whatever you to
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worry about it you'll get some people
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but you got to put talked about on the
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like that's how people find out about it
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that's not going to get is when they
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find out about it from the show that's
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where the actual audience is and it's
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like you know comparing the amount of
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that we have liked it very rarely even
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nearly matches up in air eat either up
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they're just a bunch of different
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numbers and I look at a lot of different
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numbers and just see how the move
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who what there's no way to it took to
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correlate a lot of these things together
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things that you learn after doing
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something like this for a while is that
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you just want to see the numbers moving
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in right one direction and that will
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help you know something but yeah there's
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no way that you can say and it goes all
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the way back to talk about right the
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numbers mean you're going to get that
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amount of video views because it just
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doesn't mean that i am a firm firm
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believer in trends over absolute value
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period of time obsessing about
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statistics before you realized the value
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is in trends Luke I used to put a lot
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more emotion i think into statistics
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then I do now if you have a really felt
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that way like if you ever looked at the
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numbers and and like really obsessed
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about them and thought like this means
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it's good this means it's bad
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no not in terms of video views or
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anything like that because
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feel like I have grown up so student
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internet culture that I am very aware
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that effort and quality are not
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necessarily related in terms of success
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in the way that people might want them
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to be nice so nicely put i have never
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had that feeling that I've been a few
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situations where i feel like i'm talking
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someone down from a cliff when they have
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a thing that is very high quality but
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just isn't catching on
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for some reason yeah something like but
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that's not how this works is I guess you
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might have put a hundred hours into this
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thing but that doesn't mean that it's
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going to be super viral on the internet
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like it is that just not how it works
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it's never worked like that it will
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never work like that but people want it
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to as soon as they get into the game of
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of making stuff
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however the only time i was super
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obsessed with statistics as i mentioned
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before is when I was trying to switch to
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youtube full-time and then I had a
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spreadsheet that was tracking progress
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to 200,000 subscribers that I filled out
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and looked at every day and was looking
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at the numbers and the projections for
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how long is it going to take to hit this
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number like then I was super obsessed
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but it's because i had a goal and I had
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a day by which i had to hit that goal
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otherwise i was going to be teaching for
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another year so then I was super
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obsessed but after that like I have a
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whole lot of spreadsheets attract a
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whole lot of things really
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which might be a surprise to some
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listeners would never guessed and I do
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track things but now it's almost
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entirely on a monthly basis that when a
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new month rolls around there's a bunch
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of things that i do and one of those
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things i update some of the spreadsheets
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and I like to look at a lot of the stuff
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in my business on a 12 or 24 months
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average rolling timeframe is a big time
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frame it's a big time frame but it's the
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only way to smooth out something as a
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regular as the youtube channel
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yeah right because since some months i
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upload other months I don't upload
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sometimes the summer goes by and there's
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nothing like this
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I have to average out something like the
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revenue on that business over a 24 month
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time frame because otherwise the the
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numbers are just crazy
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it's just good that the differences
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between a month where I do something in
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them and a month where I don't are
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enormous
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I feel like I check our statistics on a
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on a kind of a less regimented basis so
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I check every show once a month to just
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plug them into a spreadsheet and there
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are some shows where I check them more
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frequently who and and it's not i don't
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feel like i obsess on them
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I just look at them and go okay like
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with we're tracking yeah but I used to
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like really Frank over them
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why did you fret this is that this was a
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lot earlier and me doing this this is
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before relay em I i used to check the
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numbers like multiple times a day of my
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shows see that here that is Freddie and
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his demo and it was really because I
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used to kind of a quite a lot more to
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like this isn't the desperation face for
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me write the same as how you were in
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that phase leading up to the leaving
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teaching who I really equated like when
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the numbers hit X i will be able to
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finally leave my job although for me I
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had no way of controlling it
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it was like a purely mental thing I I
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hadn't done the work to actually know
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what number does it need it and it
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really wasn't until I could have my own
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business before it could ever do it
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anyway like the numbers were never gonna
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make sense because I could never control
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it right whoohoo
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but yeah i used to check it a lot more
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obsessively and and i was able to get
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myself out of it by thinking about it
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slightly differently and there's this
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this is talk that that I listen to maybe
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once every year or two and it's by my
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manager grupa and that they gave this
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talk yourself myself Western like 2004
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stuff like who are you making for and
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what I eventually was able to transition
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myself into is when I make these things
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and creating things I try to make them
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good for people that I imagined in my
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mind like specific people like is this
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person gonna like this
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and when i was able to kind of work to
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that it helped me stop thinking about
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the number so much I wasn't thinking
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about the masses of people I was trying
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to think of specific people that might
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enjoy it my probably top favorite
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writing book is on writing by stephen
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recommend because you need to have
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already read a lot of stephen king books
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to get the most out of that they talked
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a lot about that book in that talk okay
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because that matches up with his notion
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of the ideal reader he talks about in
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that writing books for his wife as
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opposed to writing books for millions of
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readers that that's a much easier thing
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to think about and also changes the way
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that that you create things I think
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there's definitely value in that notion
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because you know if you're trying to
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think about the audience as a whole was
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like okay well guess what the audience
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as a whole has no personality and the
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audience as a whole some people are
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always going to love the thing that you
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just made and some people are always
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going to hate it like there's no there's
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no direction to be derived from this
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many people are always going to sit the
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polar ends right well least the ones you
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can hear from all of this comes down to
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is it that actually matters for tracking
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in your business and the lessons here
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are there's tons of stuff that's easy to
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track that is totally pointless and
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tracking like yeah so all the stuff is
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really easy to get numbers alone so
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maybe the stuff you don't need but yeah
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I think there actually might be a direct
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relationship with that right like that
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the easier it is to track
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yeah the less useful it is if you run a
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most important things to track is
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revenue and so lots of my spreadsheets
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are various things related to income and
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money flow and income diversity which is
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the thing we should talk about that
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not now
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but like so like that's what I track and
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that's I tracked over a long time and I
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want to see the trends like I don't
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really care about the absolute value but
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i just want to like these numbers going
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okay that's great things are fine if the
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numbers start going down then I need to
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start thinking about changing stuff
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around but going to this notion of
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sometimes the most important things are
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the hardest things to track is I'm
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really aware like with hello internet
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that we have a big audience but there's
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also some kind of crazy variance in the
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individual shows that I i just cannot
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figure out with hello internet i think
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one of the most important things to me
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to be aware of is impossible to track
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directly and it's how interested are the
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advertisers in buying more spots that's
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not a number that i can put on a
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spreadsheet but it's a thing that i am
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aware which is like okay we have this
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audience it's wildly variant but I know
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that advertisers once to buy more ads
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then we want to sell them right away
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because there's a funny thing in that
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the numbers done actually dictate that I
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have some particular theories about like
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why I think it seems like advertiser's
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get a good response from that show
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yeah I i feel like i know it but we'll
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save that for another time we'll save
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that for another time I i have my own
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theories but that but that is a perfect
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example like there's nothing I can put
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on a spreadsheet to directly track like
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this advertiser response but I just know
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that when advertisers go on that show
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they are very happy and then advertisers
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want to block out a whole year and we
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find ourselves in these conversations
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like no we will not sell you a whole
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years worth of advertising in advance
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like that's a great thing that's super
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important but that is impossible to
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track in a in a statistically
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significant way but it is probably one
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of the most important things that I'm
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getting now starting to understand you a
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right so talking about millions of views
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there was this whole hob in the YouTube
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world which is so funny that I kind of
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set on the very sidelines now like a CD
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start these things that to pop into my
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yeah and a lot of my friends found out
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about this because of you
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movement i don't think i would have
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found out about it if it wasn't for you
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and I don't want to get into the whole
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business of it i am assuming you and
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point maybe and I'll put some links in
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the show notes to people if they want to
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find out exactly what is going on or
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have gone on with this here's here's the
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thumbnail sketch for anyone who's just
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listening now there's no idea what Mike
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yeah basically two very popular
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youtubers put out two videos that were
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people were putting out videos
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complaining about what they had done or
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the way they had done it was kind of a
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big pile on and i came to this very late
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but as soon as I saw those two videos is
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like I cannot not make my own videos
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about this and so I did
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things being out of character yes but
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they're in York if they're you there in
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your character has a get it but ok you
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waiting to happen
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this up is that how long did it take you
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essentially these two videos together to
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make both of them took me less than 40
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minutes to make from start to finish
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alright as we sit here today they're
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we called and have accumulated together
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close to two million views right making
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this the single-most profitable 40
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minutes of your entire life right
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yeah yeah i think it is quite probable
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that that is the most money i will ever
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make per hour of anything that I've ever
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it's just so little time as a man of
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tracking statistics a man of tracking
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all of this kind of stuff you've got to
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have some kind of opinion about this
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like what does this say that why what
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does this say to you
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well it's not always going to be things
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that you do this stuff with and it's
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kind of funny that you made some
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reaction videos and think we're gonna be
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popular
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who's quite ironic good the whole scheme
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statistics conversation because i think
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it's really important for people to be
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everything and so if I if I was just an
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absolute cold-blooded businessman who
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only cared about the money
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obviously I should get into the snarky
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yeah right and this is not an
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exaggeration i could probably 10 x
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revenue if i did so at least at least
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10x per hour
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huh you think because it's these pianos
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took no effort to do
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everybody loves a good bit of drama and
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a good bit of an internet fight like
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internet by everybody comes along right
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and they want to see what everybody has
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to say about what's going on like these
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are very popular things they're always
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enough internet flights to get involved
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in to sustain a business yet but I mean
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subsection of YouTube that I mostly stay
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it is entirely devoted to youtube drama
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a pack of drama llamas like they just
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draw more drama llamas like it brings
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its own energy and audience and like
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these things feed on them so there is a
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whole economy built around this kind of
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stuff and it's hugely popular but it's
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just crazy and that's that's partly what
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these videos like stumbled upon a little
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bit like a guy always cgpgrey got in on
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the action too and everybody watches the
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video so yeah it's like from a business
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perspective it's like stupid not to make
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more of these but this is but this is
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where there was like I am trying to
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build a life that I want to live
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maximizes revenue under all
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circumstances all the time
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yeah that's a really good way of putting
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it I don't want to make reaction videos
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all the time I don't want to follow
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youtube drama like I just don't care I
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don't care
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almost all of the time and yeah this
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stuff would be really easy to make
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yeah it would probably be pretty popular
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but it's it's not something that I want
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to do and this is this is again those
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moments where there's a kind of conflict
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between the CEO of grey incorporated and
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the employee of grey incorporated but
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since I'm the same person i can and do
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make decisions that aren't terrible
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business wise but that are great
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personal life wise and i think it's it's
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incredibly important to be conscious of
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that kind of thing I could be aware of
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don't think business decisions that you
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won't be happy with like I would just I
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would hate doing nothing but this now
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might I make one again in the future I
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don't know maybe if another perfect
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storm like this and it is just
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irresistible comes along but I'm not
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starting you know cgp reacts it's just
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not a thing that I'm going to do is not
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a thing that i have any interest in
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doing like I I like making the kinds of
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videos that i make i like making videos
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on topics that are of interest to me and
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just such a lucky bastard that there is
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a large enough audience of people who
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that I make that I can do this for a
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really it's there's no reason that
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should be but it happens to be and i am
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the lucky benefactor of that but you
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know you can
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and people do strategically go after big
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popular audiences of stuff
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well people have different goals like
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it's the same thing for me look there is
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a there is a style of podcasting that
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basically sounds like it's made by
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public radio all right yeah your podcast
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yeah and the giblet podcast which all
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sound the same
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yeah and I've dabbled in some stuff
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which is stylistically close to it
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little weak i could try and go further
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lucky person i get to make what I like
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motivated by different things right it's
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not wrong it's just motivated
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differently like me and you are
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motivated to do the type of thing that
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we like because it makes us happy but
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for some people they just want to make
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the most money they can make and what
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that means is creating videos talking
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about people fighting who
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but the thing is the reason they make
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money is to people like to in to watch
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those things they enjoy them
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oh yeah and internet fight done right is
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fine because the whole there's no way
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around it like it just it plugs into
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something that humans like I always want
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to be a clearly i'm never quite
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pooh-poohing people enjoying other
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kind of content because I think that's
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the kind of thing that you can't really
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control like it's just whether your
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brain reacts to it or it doesn't look
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like whatever I don't know I sometimes
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get into arguments with people when they
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say things like oh there's so much
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garbage on youtube was like what is it
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popular like then tons of people like it
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you know i like who and who are you to
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say like Oh everybody should be watching
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masterpiece theater right like well
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should they should they always like I
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don't watch masterpiece theater all day
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long I like gossip and flying as much as
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the next person
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yeah who doesn't and it's nice that
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there's a place for it
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I just don't feel like I need to be the
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person to make it another youtube
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version of this is from my perspective
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just low-effort list videos just like
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lists do really well on websites list he
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really well in video format and it's
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like it's not like I've never do a list
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it's not that I don't think it's can't
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be done well but i know i know that i
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almost certainly could have videos that
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were way more popular that are way
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easier to make if I just said after
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making lists i'm making lists from now
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on you go right
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10 amazing places you've never heard of
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seven things your body does you won't
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believe right it's like it stuffs really
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easy to do it's like it's it's not hard
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and the the siren song of it is it's not
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hard and it almost certainly would be
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very popular way more popular than what
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i'm doing now but i also know like I I
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just don't want to make those that
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that's not a thing that I want to do and
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yeah the business would love it but I
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would not i would not love that so you
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just have to be careful like I guess it
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before and I keep track of these these
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graphs like business revenue over time
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and like at some point these graphs are
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going to level off this is just like at
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some point
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youtube subscriber numbers will level
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off because there are only so many
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people in the world
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right like there's only so much value
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that I can create in a day in an hour
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but when I come to those points like I
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know and I'm very comfortable with the
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idea of like okay revenues leveled off
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viewers are left have leveled off I'm
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gonna be totally fine continuing to do
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what I do and I'm not going to feel like
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oh I need to start going after list
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videos and reaction videos and all this
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other stuff to keep this graph going up
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because this is the huge benefit of
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working for yourself i am not a public
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company i do not need to keep growing
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forever
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this is not one of my goals and it is
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very very important to keep that in
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front of mind like yes I have all of
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these spreadsheets but these
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spreadsheets are not the measure of
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success like I view the measure of
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success as having control over my life
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and being able to work on the things
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that interest me and I know for a fact
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that the opportunity cost of that
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decision is enormous
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like I can put i can put ballpark
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figures on just how enormous that
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opportunity cost is and it is
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breathtaking
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because i don't know it's just like I
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see these comments sometimes right we're
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like I have advertisements at the end of
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some of my youtube videos now like I've
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done audible azerbaijan Squarespace ads
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that's the case actually might be good
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for the diversity episode but sometimes
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I'll see comments from people who are
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like oh what a sellout like can't
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believe it look at that this guy put an
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audible ad for Guns Germs and Steel at
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the end of his America box video what a
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total sellout always kind of lavender
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because it's like dude when I sellout
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you will know its yeah like I don't
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think you have any idea the kind of
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offers that come across the table of
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someone who consistently gets millions
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of views on YouTube epic i say no to
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tons of things that would make me a lot
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of money for very little effort because
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i don't think that they're good
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decisions in the long term and because i
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think that they would make me unhappy
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e to do I've said no to a lot of stuff
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and it was a little bit harder in the
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beginning because you feel like my
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immediate trust me
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sometimes there are offers that come
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along with like highway gigantic car
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company we will pay you an enormous
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amount of money to make a video about
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our car and I was like oh god i'm going
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to say no to this like that is a huge
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check but i'm going to say no but I'm
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gonna wonder for a day or so like am I
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an idiot pocket just a moron
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I'm cgpgrey and i'm here to tell you
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about why this new floor car is amazing
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yeah i mean that's basically what you
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get pitch sometimes yeah i mean when
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people see that video that's well know
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that yeah yeah that's what it was like
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hold out like you know it's fine and you
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know everybody does have the price right
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but like my prices at this stage is like
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can you pay me enough so that I never
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have to work again and can live a life
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of luxury
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then I will do your car company
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commercial like that's fine now we can
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then we can have a discussion maybe but
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it's just it's so important especially
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if you are the only person in your
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business that you have to balance all
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that stuff of like not only what will
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make me money but like what will I also
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fee feel ok doing
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I don't think I've told this story
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before but the hardest decision like
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this that I ever had actually came
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literally the week after i had quit
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teaching so I was brand-new just on my
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own self employed for the first time and
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as you are in that situation terrified
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that you might have made the worst
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decision of your life a little desperate
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to right yeah you feel like you're
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really you're suddenly living on the
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yeah right you don't know where money's
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coming from and is this moment of like
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oh god my own life is in my own hands
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like I might have just totally mess this
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yeah and in particular for reasons i've
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alluded to in the past like I also in
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the process of leaving teaching like
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might have totally screwed myself out of
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being able to get another teaching job
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but that's a
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on the side there but so the week after
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call with someone from a large
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publishing company and they had this
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offer for me which basically went like
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this we will write you a check that is
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more money then you have made in the
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last four years right now if we can use
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your name on a book about fun history
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facts that you won't write but that we
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will sell and you just mention it on
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your YouTube channel that there's like
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cgp Gray's fun history facts book that
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this exists God feels like a golden
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goose right at that stage right where
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you are
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like that's your security for the next
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four years exactly what it was right
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it's like somewhat someone is going to
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hand you peace of mind just the biggest
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safety net for the next several years
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the only thing you have to do is sell
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your name and it was one of these things
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like man did I get in some arguments
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with some people about this because i
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didn't like that deal why I didn't like
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the deal because I didn't I thought man
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I don't want to have my name on some
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ghostwritten thing forever
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this is one of these things with with
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business like how much of an incentive
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do they have to make this amazing i
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imagine not a huge incentive because
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with their banking on you to go no say
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in the book at all
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yeah what they're banking on is like oh
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here is a guy who
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as a big audience of enthusiastic
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followers and we're going to make more
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money off of all of these people buying
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the first thing that he has made then
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the size of this check that we're going
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to write and we're just gonna hire some
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ghostwriters to just turn this thing out
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in a weekend i don't remember the
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details now but they had some
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hilariously fast time frame right which
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is just again indicates like okay well
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you're not gonna make a great book here
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it may have been written already
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yeah take they just needed to make a
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cover it very well may have been the
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case that this was something from some
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other aborted project that they were
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just trying to figure out it was written
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and they would just wait until some
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person said yeah exactly
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you may have been the third person right
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yeah yeah you never know you never know
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what this stuff that was the hardest
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business decision i think i have ever
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made because i was in the absolute worst
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negotiating position
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yep it was the thing that I needed most
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at that time a shocking amount of
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financial security but i did i did say
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no and and like I was saying like I got
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into arguments with people and free
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universal wall of consensus was you're a
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moron for not taking this think what it
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what are you what do you even debating
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but sitting here now I am so glad that I
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didn't do that that I don't have some
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kind of albatross around my neck
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you would never get over it like yeah
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but the way that I know you that would
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always bother you always and I feel that
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same way about some of the things that
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come to me as business deals for the
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check out a glue if you're an employee
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alright Mike there's a thing I want to
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talk to you about em and is a thing that
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I wanted to talk to you about so much
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that contrary to my normal character i
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was trying to convince you a while back
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to record an emergency episode cortex
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that's how much I wanted to talk about
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that I have and I message from you which
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i think i feel like i need to frame and
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sent back to you huh where you work with
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work and I was telling you know this
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might be the only time in the history of
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episode because i feel incredibly
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strongly about a thing and I need to get
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this out there but obviously here we are
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now dear listener Mike wouldn't do an
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emergency cortex and so now this is in
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the regular show where do we begin this
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story of whoa Mike it has been well
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documented that myself and gray love our
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iPad pros
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yes it is further documented that we
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love to use our Apple pencils with them
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from drawing with them but also to use
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them like pen tablets to interact with
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them too
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attacked things to scroll things because
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it's nice it's already in your hand
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great you can just use it like a finger
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currently Apple have in both developer
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old to install betas can become an old
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man now i cant got time for this kind of
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young man's game installing betas on
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your main machines here however however
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the night shift feature in 9.3 was one
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interested in I wanted to see how it
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no one else can show you screenshots or
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pictures you have to see it in person
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you know and so I thought okay let me
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come out of retirement right install the
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beta on my main machine and three-time I
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get out they pull me right back in
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exactly that it's always gonna be
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something like this but you know this
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time this time with this one and I
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really do mean that like my ipad pro is
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without doubt my main machine by Miles
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has got to be the thing that I am doing
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installed as I got 1i chip this is great
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read some stuff and I like what I really
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want to see is how this works with
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have the pencil in my hand as i always
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do and I go to turn the page and I books
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like that's weird
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the pink page doesn't turn with the
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pencil anymore how as well of course
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this is why I like it's a beta it's a
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bug and I gave using the ipad and let
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them in safari like huh
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the the web page isn't scrolling when I
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go to use this pencil to scroll and
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safari like that's weird and then I open
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to share sheet in good notes which is my
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handwriting application of choice i want
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different icon to send a PDF to like
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that's weird doesn't work here either so
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ago of course like a diligent little
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person I to filed with a little feedback
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things like they had that they had a
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little application that you can use I
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open it up and is like hey just let you
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guys like to know that there's a weird
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bug that i can imagine you might miss
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was like in ibooks and share sheet that
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doesn't scroll properly when you use the
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second public beta came out and nothing
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worry because that's when it feels like
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this is in a bug
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ourselves what do you mean I think that
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the way it did because they didn't
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really think about it they created a
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device that allows you to manipulate iOS
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like a finger would just because it
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recognizes touch
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whoo-hoo so it's just it is what it is
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its cause you I just because it does
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like didn't really think about it and
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when they saw my feeling is when they
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saw people like me in you and not
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necessarily me and you but you know
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using the ipad like a pen tablet and
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using the pencil like a stylist who they
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decided that that wasn't right for our
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iPad and have removed the function
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because there's certain things that
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appellee yeah and something about
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deciding that thou shan't use the pencil
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as you would use a wacom tablet like
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this is an apple decision
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this is not how we want people using our
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amazing pencil that is for artistes only
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to be sketching in a museum in a way
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that we can film for an apple commercial
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like this is the only thing we want you
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doing with this and we don't want you
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using it any other way
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it just it feels like the kind of thing
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that Apple might decide and I have never
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ever been more upset
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that's about any decision Apple has made
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than this one again assuming that it is
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a decision because I mean look I I we've
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right I'm a person who has had
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repetitive strain injuries in my hands
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for I mean since college going on 15
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live with because it's a thing that I
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most effective tool for reducing RSI has
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been using a pen tablet for the vast
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majority of my computer interactions we
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just discussed last time like the very
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excellent way come into his pet tablet
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right which is now sitting on my desk
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which is an amazing piece of hardware
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that I can use to manipulate all parts
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of the computer
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wacom doesn't say oh you can only use
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our pen tablet for drawing wacom says
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now you can use scrollbars you can
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scroll up and down a web page because it
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would be crazy to make you say on a
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desktop computer pick up a mouse like oh
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no you can only you can only interact
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with web pages if you're using a mouse
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I mean we when we talked about it on the
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episode of of cortex which i believe was
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brick of obligation is where i first
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talked about having the ipad pro and
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having this star trek vision of the
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future for how people work with multiple
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screens on a flat table and it is really
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interesting to me that since getting the
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pro since getting the pencil my life has
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become so close to this you know we may
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discuss it next time but like I happen
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to have been traveling for the past two
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weeks almost exclusively i've been using
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my iPad pro flat on a table with my
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iphone this is how i do almost all of my
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work I saw my I saw my wife she actually
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borrowed before i left my ipad pro to do
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some some research for traveling and she
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was sitting at a table with her out with
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my ipad bro with her mini and with her
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phone like arranging a whole bunch of
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stuff like this multiple screen thing is
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obviously the future of computing I
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think for almost everybody
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like just your pieces of paper on a desk
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you're going to have a bunch of screens
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on the desk that's just the way it's
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gonna be that thin as well
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yeah they're going to be that thin
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they're gonna be that cheap and I want
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to have conversations with people about
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this now they laughing maniacally like
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what are you crazy working on multiple
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how many business people have multiple
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pieces of paper on a desk it's just
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gonna happen but my one big concern
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manipulating these screens with your
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hands in what I always think of as
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finger-painting position right like you
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are doing finger paints which is
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extending your fingers out holding your
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hand in this horizontal position it's
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not comfortable to do all day long and
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as someone who has been very aware of
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RSI issues
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I'm very conscious of listening to my
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hands and see if I'm getting any kind of
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feedback about is this a potential for
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repetitive strain and I am totally aware
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that if you want to use iPads all day
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long i can get repetitive strain injury
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from that I have gotten repetitive
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strain injury from using iPads in this
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position now some people go i use iPads
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all day and I never have a problem like
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that's great i'm happy for you but not
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everybody falls into this category and
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so when the pencil came it was just
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amazing to me because i thought wow I am
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looking at the next 10 years of my
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computing life i can use a precision
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pointing tool to interact with a flat
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screen on a desk in a maximally
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comfortable way in a way that i can do
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for 12 hours in a row without any
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problems and i know because i have been
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doing that because i was so upset by
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what is happening with the beta's like I
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went through all the trouble of rolling
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back my iPad because it that i can't i
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can't use the ipad that in this hybrid
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way of like trying to switch back and
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forth between using the pen and then
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putting it down or trying to awkwardly
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like with my ring finger scroll things
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on the screen while still holding the
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pen like it's just an off
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full awful experience and i am really
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worried that if this is the decision
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that Apple has made what I'm looking at
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is the future of my computing experience
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and the future of the computing
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experience for anybody who has RSI
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problems or just handed manipulation
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problems being artificially crippled
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because someone at apple doesn't want
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people to use iPads in this way that's
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what I am just so worried about the
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thing that annoys me the most about this
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is he didn't want it to do this you
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could have just done this from the start
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yeah you should have done this from the
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start yeah because you've given it and
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now you are taking it away
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yeah right i'm sitting here like almost
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trembling at with like fury and
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upsetness over this because like you
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gave me a taste of the computing future
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that i always want that i need and now
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you are taking it away just because and
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this wouldn't be the first time that
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Apple's done something like this like it
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with this kind of reminds me of is the
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whole kerfuffle that happened over with
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the today view on iphones when they
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first came out and that was a case of
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like okay
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Apple allow people to put things into
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this notification center and everybody
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was calling them widgets and like oh let
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me build all these new things with the
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widgets but Apple clearly had some idea
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of like no this is the today view we
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only want you to use it to quickly
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access information about today you
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should look at your calendar and you
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should check the weather here but if you
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want to put a calculator in here no no
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no that's not how we envision you doing
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this thing like they've eventually good
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seeded the ground on that but it was a
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weird time for Apple was just they had
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some idea about how they want you to do
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things and like okay Apple that's great
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but if you give people tools they're
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going to come up with better ways to use
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them then you can think of every
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possible way to use the thing and I feel
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like this is the same case with the
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pencil like someone has an idea of how
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they want people to use the pencil but
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people like me
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has been speaking to other people who
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use the pencil they want to use it like
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it's a wacom tablet and I think being
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able to use it like it's a wacom tablet
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is way more powerful than what Apple had
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envisioned for the pencil and they
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should roll with it like go with this
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Apple this is good for you
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this is good for the users yeah don't
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artificially limit this because it's not
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how you envision people using your
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pretty tablet one of class to use my
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yeah why does it have to be my finger
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yeah cool
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I don't understand like my think my
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thinking about it so try and rationalize
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it i'm assuming that they have something
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else that they want to do with it right
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now hmm that this doesn't allow and if
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that's the case i can understand it they
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tell me all I know right now is this is
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how it is now there is a as we stand
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right now there is a strong potential
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that 9.3 we released with the ipad air
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three which will also support the pencil
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so there might be more functionality
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coming to the Apple pencil which could
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explain why this case if that is the
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case also won't be happy with it i'll be
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more willing to accept it but if the
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reasoning is purely what mean you feel
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right now I consider unacceptable right
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i mean look I cannot imagine a use case
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that would justify this decision not
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neither can i but it's like as if they
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have a they have a reason something they
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want to do i can at least see they're
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thinking right now it just looks like he
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just being petty
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yeah I mean we discussed on the previous
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episodes how the pencil doesn't allow
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you to operate what I think of as the
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meta user interface which is opening up
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splitview pulling down notification
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center opening up control center and we
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discussed on that episode
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oh that's kind of weird at first but you
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can immediately see why that if you want
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to do edge swipe gestures with the
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pencil you can also
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have that yeah i'm activating it that
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meta interface it just it just won't
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okay i can understand that if you have a
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drawing program you want to be able to
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draw in from the edge but if i'm on a
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webpage and I want to use the Apple
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pencil to scroll that webpage what the
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fuck else would I be doing with that
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pencil on that webpage
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yeah right like why do you just say no
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you're not allowed to do that i like
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that here's the feeling that I have from
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that is when i was running the beta
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every time i tried to school something I
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thought the ipad might as well just make
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an angry buzzing noise right like that
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little sound that the mac does when it
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does something you don't like it goes
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right and i feel like you know what why
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don't you just make the Pro go there
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every time I try to scroll with a web
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page because that's the feeling that
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you're giving me I open to share sheet i
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want to scroll horizontally in it right
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now I'm reading a book i want to scroll
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the page with the pencil because it's
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more comfortable for me to hold this
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pencil in my hand to always use with my
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fingers
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nope we're not gonna let you do that
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it's it's infuriating and it feels
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almost aggressive towards the user
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because there's just no reason for it
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now can I do want to stress that we
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don't know if this is a decision within
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Apple but man when it's been 2 beta is
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later it certainly feels like it's a
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decision we're preparing for the worst
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based on the fact that we notice company
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and I want to just just want to get this
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out there now we use apple products we
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love apple products we know this stuff
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happens here it's really annoying
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we're not going to switch the windows
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surface it's extremely unlikely because
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there are many reasons of them just this
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that we use our devices
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yeah that is but that is precisely why
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this is so upsetting is being as I look
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around and there are no other options
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for all the things that I want to do
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including transition costs that can do
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what I want to do because it's like
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people go why don't we just a place like
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okay listen you understand i don't use
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one markdown text editor i use five four
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different things like I have a lot of
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specific needs here that are only met by
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this ecosystem and so that is precisely
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why this is so upsetting it's like I
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don't have an alternative
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and I've you in this moment if Apple
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makes this decision the way that I'm
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afraid they're going to i am facing who
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knows how many years of having to use
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this thing in a limited way and and like
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going going back to one of our earlier
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discussions about jailbreaking I have
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never been so close to be tempted by
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jailbreaking then I am with this vision
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of apple releasing the software and not
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allowing you to use the pencil to
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interact with all of the interface and I
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feel like Apple what justification could
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you possibly have to put me in a
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situation where i am making a decision
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between do I want to protect my digital
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security or do I want to protect the
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health of my hands
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that is the the rock and the hard place
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that I find myself between like okay am
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I going to jailbreak an ipad pro in the
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future because I can tell how much
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benefit i get from being able to use it
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like this or am I not and just going to
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accept that I'm going to have problems
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with my hands that I'm going to have to
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limit the amount of time that I spend on
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iPads as i have done in the past when i
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try to use them in the way that i have
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been gloriously using perhaps my
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favorite product that apple has released
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in the past five years that that's why
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it is it is to help setting and listen
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listeners I want right now to try to
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call on the power of six degrees of
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separation someone listening to this
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podcast knows someone at Apple yeah who
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knows the team that is in charge of this
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decision i am deadly serious about what
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I am about to say I will fly to
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cupertino at any time at my own expense
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for the opportunity to have five minutes
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with that team to try and convince them
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to change this decision
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I'm deadly serious about this
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this is how important this is to me
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because i am thinking about the health
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of my hands i am willing to go to great
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cost and vastly greater opportunity cost
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to try and influence this in what I view
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as the only same direction
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my ideal result here is the result that
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I think makes the most sense considering
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the use case that we both desire is that
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this becomes a preference in
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accessibility please please let this
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become a preference in accessibility if
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nothing else
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yeah like that if that's the only thing
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i can get apple if you have some some
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kind of magic that you think you're
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going to be able to do with the pencil
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by not letting me scroll and safari I
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don't want it don't care I don't care
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what it is you could offer me nothing
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that i would take in exchange for this
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it's I mean it's just like if if Apple
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came to my house and took away all my
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Wacom tablets and then disabled Wacom
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tablets from ever working on my computer
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and they handed me a million dollars i
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would say please give me the wacom
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tablet back because i can't buy new
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hands with a million dollars that's the
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situation that I'm in here so I'm just
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I'm very nervous about this mike i am
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very nervous about this
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