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00:00:00 ◼   ► it seems like doing accidental podcast [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► is kind of our thing [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► well because we can't really resist not [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► talking about cars or not talking about [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► tech right so one way or another both of [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► these things is going to happen [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► we've been doing accidental car podcasts [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► in the after show after ATP but then [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► usually you don't put them in the actual [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► after-show so it's kind of like a live [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► only like a reward / punishment for the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► live listeners hit the air talking about [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► cars [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► indeed and in this one is is actually [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► very special because we have a special [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► guest [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► hello I'm nailed it and where . comedic [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► timing is my specialty so it we have the [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► very famous underscore david smith with [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► us and there's a particular reason that [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► those of us who pay attention [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► we have already figured out we have an [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► agenda tonight [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► shockingly shockingly we actually do [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► have a plan on the accidental car [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► podcast so the three of the four of us [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► actually did something fun about a week [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► ago and one of us was curmudgeon and [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► didn't now which of us would have been [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► most likely to like not to have fun [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► it's not being a chromogen there you [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► would open it was incredibly wise [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► decision and I'm very proud of myself [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► for making it because I would have been [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► so screwed if I'd gone through its so [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► true when we continue to make fun of you [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► for the rest of time [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► okay see what were you doing when the [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► apple event was happening in which [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► Mavericks was announced and released i [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► do believe i was driving somebody else's [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► m3 at speed around a racetrack what were [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► you doing marco i believe i was doing [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► the same thing underscore I was right [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► behind you [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► well i would say right behind haha true [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► story better start so what we're [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► referring to [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► for those of us who aren't keeping track [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► is that underscore and Marco and I [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► decided to go to BMW M Performance [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► school the two-day version and this [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► actually all started believing her not [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► with underscores so do you want to kind [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► of tell the origin story I mean surveyed [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► only just got started it was a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► this last may I turned 30 so became an [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► old man and as part of that I wanted [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► things I've always wanted to do is maybe [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► have stepped take a step back and say in [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a normal life I i drive-a 2005 to the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► corolla the car i love it's the only car [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► I've ever owned and that's my history [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► with cars though and one things I've [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► always wondered about is what it's like [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► to drive a car that's not a very looking [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► a low-power continued economic [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► economical vehicle and so like 1i try [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► want to go to one of these kind of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► schools and so for my 30th birthday was [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► the plan was like well do what I'll do [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► as my sort of 30th birthday is present [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► to myself or for my wife and so then the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► next step became to try and work out if [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► i could find people who would be [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► interested in doing such a thing and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► surprisingly i was able to convince by a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► lot of cajoling and arm-twisting mark [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► when Casey into coming along with me [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► whereby a lot of controlling [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► arm-twisting you mean you asked us [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► hey do you want to go 2 2day and [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► performance driving school and I think [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► the two of us said I'm yes exactly i [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► think both me and Casey were just on the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► edge of just wanted to do this and just [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► never having a specific excuse or reason [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► to do it at a specific time and you gave [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► us that yeah exactly [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► now John what was your excuse myself for [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► not going is super expensive i hate the [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► travel and of the understand what's [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► going on around that time is that all [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► every i like you i think about it out [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like i know you guys had a lot of fun [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► and everything but think of all the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► extra money I have to spend on my mac [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► pro haha when Marco and I are you know [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► talking about our fancy new mac pro's [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► Casey you're gonna be like oh no I don't [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► want to get one of those stupid [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► computers is not so much money well you [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► would have had all that money if you [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► hadn't you know spent on driving but [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► seriously I did I did seriously consider [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► it for a long time so much so that I [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► talk to my wife about said you can go if [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► you want and I really thought about like [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► you know what maybe i should just do [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► this but I thought better of it in the [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► end I'm actually impressed that you got [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► that far is mi I assumed that you [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► basically immediately vetoed it in your [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► head and never even bothered asking [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► anybody know that [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I mean it's like it's like you know it's [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► like the youngster said I you figure [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► what you want to see what it's like to [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► drive the big fancy cars that you're [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► never going to own and if you don't do [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► it now when are you gonna do it like [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► what am I going to do it myself no then [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► you know a bunch of people who I know [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► we're going that's the time to do it [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► right but no but no well we were very [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► disappointed not to have you with us [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► however we had a pretty good time and so [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► I I don't know what the appropriate way [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► to recap the trip is but maybe I should [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► give the very very quick blow-by-blow of [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► kind of what the schedule was and we can [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► dig into the specifics afterwards so [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► Marco either got volunteered or [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► volunteered not sure which one it was to [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► drive down from New York but you gave me [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► an excuse to drive an awesome car for a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► few hours [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you're welcome for a lot of hours at [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► well what you got to do a lot of the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► hours and also it doesn't it you know [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► similar to how easily it was to convince [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► me in case you to do this not at all [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► it's pretty easy to convince me not to [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► fly somewhere that's within driving [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► distance because flying is just such a [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► pain in the butt I will avoid it not a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► fear just out of I'd just hate it and so [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► yeah it didn't take much convincing [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► right so Marco drove down on like this [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► was last Saturday I don't know i'm sorry [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the saturday before last it doesn't [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► really matter he drove down on a [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► Saturday and picked up underscore [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► outside DC and then the two of them [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► drove to Richmond where I am [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► we all stay tonight richmond on that [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► saturday night sunday we woke up got [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► breakfast and then drove to spartanburg [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► south carolina which is where the BMW [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► factory is in the United States and what [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► what do they build their is x3 x5 is [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► that right it'sit's sum of the x's if [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► not all the exes so they build some of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► the exes there which is of no surprise [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► given that americans love their SUVs so [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► on sunday we drove down we had dinner at [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the hotel in which BWW assigns us to [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► stay and then monday and tuesday we [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► spent all day driving in basically a [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► quarter million dollars worth of em cars [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► per person and then tuesday evening we [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► drove back to richmond and on wednesday [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► i went to my j.o.b job [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Marco and Dave return home to their [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► lives of laser exactly those of us who [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► have jlb jobs had to go back to work [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► those of us you don't really have jobs [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► could do whatever we wanted it must be [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► tough it really is really and Virginia [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► bagels are better than montreal bagels [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► who big words i agree but big words are [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► you getting bagels in Virginia that it [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► was that what else you need for [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► breakfast [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I don't know hush puppies haha [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► there is a sonic drive-in about five [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► minutes from my house which we could [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► have gone to make a waffle house down [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► there right [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► yes they have waffle house and denny's [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► and all those sorts of fattening [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► terrible things unfortunately waffle [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► house is not new to me at least because [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► I'm from Ohio and it's everywhere in [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► ohio people think it's only a southern [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► thing but Ohio steals a lot of things [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► from the south and tries to act like a [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► normal and waffle house is so common in [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► Ohio that my friends and I high school [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► used to go to all the time that like you [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► know one of the morning because it was [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► open and nothing else really was and we [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► would go to this one that was off of a [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► an off ramp off of Interstate 70 where [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► there's they get so much truck traffic [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► and truckers i guess like the waffle [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► house so much that there's one on both [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► sides of the street so that no matter [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► which side you get off with the truck [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► you can just pour into a parking lot and [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► then pull right back on the highway [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► easily and there's enough business that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► to waffle houses across street from each [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► other can stay in business [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► that's Ohio for you in one little story [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► so you miss it [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► oh god so much the waffle house is just [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► so incredibly something I it's there [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► it's so incredibly there [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► well to back up a step the bagels in [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► Virginia are nowhere near New York [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► bagels however I have found a place that [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► is as good an imposter of New York bagel [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► as one can reasonably expect 500 miles [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► from New York and and Marco while he is [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► not an official New Yorker he's an [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► imposter New Yorker and I think you can [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► vouch for me on this issue its name like [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► mountain view or something [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► what know the name of the place is [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► Cupertino's oh that's right [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► come on man anyway it's very good so [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah so we we went to the um school and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► it was pretty fantastic and it was funny [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► because the most people who go to the [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► school I have to imagine drive down in [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► corollas in accord [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► this and I don't know 328 and things of [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that nature [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► what did we roll to BWW school in an m5 [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► we were suffering to say the least [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► although as it turns out there were [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► others that did the same thing how many [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► other and five drivers were there like [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► three there were two others in our hotel [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► at least and both of their way cleaner [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► than mine [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► well they also drove quite a bit less i [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► do believe to get there but yeah but [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► even underscore drove the m5 did he not [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► on the way down [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► yeah that was I was actually hoping glad [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► I was a little concerned that are coming [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► from a rather a popper background of my [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► underpowered toyota's and Japanese cars [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that would be a little bit into like [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► digital like on monday morning at be sat [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► down in front of an empire like here's [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► the keys are based on actual even really [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► keys [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► here's the magic thing that starts the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► car push the button and off you go and [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► so a little bit i was glad that I was [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► able to get some sort of get through the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► initial like pre-flight and stuff and [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► marcos car and then just drive for a [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► little bit on the interstate to get used [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► to it before it actually counted sounds [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► like Marco Polo Tom Sawyer on your to [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► come and paint the fence it's really [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► funny got you guys to basically show for [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► him haha if you guys are gonna have to [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► do all the driving driving driving fancy [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► cars fun but at a certain point you're [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► just hours and hours on the interstate [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► and that's no fun [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► well that's kind of the idea like that's [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► one of the reasons why why I wanted a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► tutor for IV volunteer but you know why [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► i made a drive the first leg from his [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► house to casey's because I wanted to [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► ease his fears about these incredibly [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► powerful cars because the fact is you [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► I mean there's something you know [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► ridiculous cars like Ferraris are pretty [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► hard to drive normally at low speeds [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► because they're gearing and clutches and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► everything but but I wanted to show that [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► sport sedans are still sedans and [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► they're still made for the most part not [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► to go on tracks you know most people who [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► buy them don't take them on track as far [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► as i know and they're in you can be you [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► can drive these things normally every [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► day and they just behave like normal [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► cars just when you hit the gas really [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► hard they behave little bit differently [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► so Dave how would you describe the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► difference between the m5 in your daily [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► driver [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► it's bigger in decreasing as in normal [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► use it is surprisingly similar in that [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that I'd I know it's terrible but it [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► it's not very comfortable [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► it has a massage your buttocks while you [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► drive it touches which is very [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► unsettling but yeah but it's a lot of [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► fun it's it was interesting to look at [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► the two things that I noticed about the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► world biggest thing that I noticed in it [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► first from driving it that i would but i [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► miss now going to my you know going back [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► to my old corolla is that doesn't things [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► like a heads-up display and a lot of [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► kind of the new sword like that then [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► your fancier technology that is just [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► kind of fun and when you're driving or [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► just makes it more useful and it is a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► little bit intoxicating that you can at [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► any point you can suddenly like there's [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► a gap in front of you that you'd like to [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► be in you can instantaneously be in it [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► in a way that the there's no pause or [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► hesitation so it kind of forces a little [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► bit of decisiveness into your driving [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► style which is this serves as a little [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► bit of fun [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► so you're saying there's a BMW turns you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► into a kind of a jerk on the road haha [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► not necessarily a jerk but it definitely [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► think it definitely changes a little bit [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► the way that you have to view driving [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► because here we review the other cars [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► pray you know it's it's like if you're [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► Indiana is I'm not a particularly i'm [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► not particularly big on firearms or guns [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► but I imagine it's like the difference [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► between if you have a small bowl 22 [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► rifle or if you have a bazooka right you [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► have to be careful about what you're [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► gonna point at in a different way then [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► you would otherwise because if you put [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► your foot on the gas like if I put my [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► phone my gas in my little four-cylinder [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► car and I jam it down i'm not going to [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► go anywhere particularly quickly i'm [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► still going to be where I was a few [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► minutes a few seconds ago at you know [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► that later whereas in this it's you know [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► your instantaneously you just jump 15 20 [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► miles an hour and so you have to be much [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► more conscious about what you're doing [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► you should try downshifting first your [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► camera oh wait [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► automatic [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► just rip you that's right is getting a [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► chord camera rivalry going here it's a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► corolla new corolla that's right well [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► yeah I feel bad for not that i say as i [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► drive home in my 11 year old honda civic [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► so ya see you two are brothers in your [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► own special way [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► so yeah so so we get to this BMW M [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► school after having driven [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► five-and-a-half hours are I i was part [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► of five and a half hours of the drive [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► from Richmond spartanburg there was a [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► two-hour drive from Dave to me and was [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► like a four and a half five hour drive [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► from Marco dave is that right about that [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► yeah so it was it was a hike but it was [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► very worth it [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► we were on interstate 85 for forever and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► a day and before that mark when Dave [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► were on Interstate 95 forever and a day [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► but we ended up in spartanburg and so [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► come Monday morning we get on a bus from [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► the hotel to the to the BMW factory and [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► we get in the classroom and we see [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► greeting us [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► BMW M school two day course day one and [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► we do a little bit of classroom [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► instruction about all sorts of things [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► about weight transfer about finding the [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► apex finding the turning point what was [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the exit . i forget the term for it but [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► something like that turnout turnout do [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► something like that anyway so we get a [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► little bit of casting classroom [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► instruction track out i think track may [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► whatever was so what you could tell we [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► were paying close attention to the [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► classroom portion because really all we [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► wanted to do was get in the cars so for [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the two day in school the first day is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► just general here's what over Syria's [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► here's what under serious here's how to [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► find the racing line here so to find the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► apex or cornering . i believe they [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► called it here's how to have a drive in [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► general and all of these things on both [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► days were happening in m3 which worry 90 [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► m3 e92 m3 is which were on an MSRP if [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► like 80,000 dollars they were in an eft [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► NM x which have an MSRP like a hundred [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► thousand dollars and I don't know the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► designation for the m6 is but there they [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► list for like a hundred twenty thousand [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► dollars so all told we have like 200 or [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► 250 thousand dollars at bmw's basically [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► assigned to us and there are 15 people [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► in the class we were split into three [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► groups of five [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► and so our group naturally was Marco and [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► David myself and then two other people [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► who are very very nice and and we [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► basically spent the entire two days [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► together the five of us and it was [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► unbelievably fun and it all began with [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► taking m3 is out onto a skidpad so [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► market would you like to tell us about [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► what the skidpad was all about [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► well officially it's it's an exercise to [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► teach you what understeer and oversteer [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► feel like how how to avoid them at first [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► and then how to create them if you want [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► to and then you know how to regain [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► control of your car in these situations [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► in reality it's about drifting and to [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► let you know that they do instruct you [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► on those things but the idea is to [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► finish the instruction of those quickly [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► so that you can get to the fun drifting [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► apart [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► this was my second time on a skidpad the [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► first time I was very bad at it and [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► didn't really and didn't do any drifting [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► because I was having enough trouble [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► figuring out the the oversteer [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► correction for whatever reason I don't [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► know why but this time it just kind of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► clicked for me and so I figured out the [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the oversteer very quickly and then was [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► able to some drifting it was pretty fun [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► it was a really cool experience because [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► you usually you are not told to please [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► lose control of your car right now and [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► and even if you do lose control of your [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► car in and unintentionally usually your [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► car's traction control comes on and says [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► yet that's not going to happen but in [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► this case we're on a a wet and [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► constantly being sprayed down polished [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► concrete pad driving in a tight circle [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► with a 400-horsepower rear-wheel-drive [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► car with the traction control turn all [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► the way off and so it we were able to [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► kick the rear end out at like 20 miles [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► an hour and it was really cool [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► what do you think of it Casey so I had [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► previously a couple of cars ago had a [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► rear-wheel-drive 300zx which was not the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► turbo version and was very underpowered [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► but coming around to turn i was able to [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► if I stood in the gas get a little bit [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► of induced oversteer and control it [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► reasonably well [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► when I was on the skid pad in the 400 [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► horsepower m3 I got a lot of oversteer [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► with very little control of any of it [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► and it's funny after having had to [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► all-wheel-drive cars how hard it is for [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► me to go back to controlling a [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► rear-wheel-drive car in power on [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► overseer and I spun constantly and I [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► felt like a moron but I did learn a lot [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► and and I really learned a lot about [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► understeer actually so oversteers when [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the back end comes around when you don't [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► expect it to or perhaps when you do [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► expect it to and under stairs when [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► you're trying to turn but the cars just [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► kind of sliding out of the turn when you [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► don't want it to and I did learn a lot [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► about what understeer feels like and how [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► you can better judge when it's about to [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► happen but this is all coming from [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► someone who's had a rear-wheel-drive car [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► in my life before one of us however has [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► never had a rear-wheel-drive car so Dave [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► what did you think about the skidpad the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► skidpad i think was actually it for all [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► the things that we did I think it was [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► the exercise of the thing i think [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► actually learned the most practical [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► knowledge or so that'll actually improve [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► my driving just in normal day-to-day [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► experience because I think prior to this [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► that I've only ever lost like actually [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► lost reserve lost control or lost [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► traction of my car a couple of times [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► usually it's in very bad so you're very [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► bad driving you're driving service [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► situations where we are very rainy very [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► wet very many people I see that kind of [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► thing but it was interesting to see how [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► quickly you could develop i guess like [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► almost like the muscle memory to get [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► yourself out of that situation when [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► you're sweeter when you when you used to [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► lose control of the car whether the [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► front of the back and how after just [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► doing it after doing it whatever 10-15 [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► times you're able to very quickly be [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► catching yourself and that was [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► reinforced actual crisis earlier but [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► later on and during the week during the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► the couple of days where I be [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► I messed up a line or something and i [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► actually just Gino genuinely created one [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► of these two things i was able to [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► correct it before I realized it was [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► and so in that sense it was kind of [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► interesting I mean beyond just the fact [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that it was kind of a crazy experience [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► did the first time it's like you just [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► gets you know sort of sets it on a car [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like followme after the skid pad and now [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► I want you to jam your foot into the gas [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► on this super slippery surface and the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► first time in court like the first time [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► either just spun around in a circle but [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► it was an interesting experience to kind [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► of gig get a feel for what color car [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► actually responds at the limit like that [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► where normally you either have to be [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► going sort of moronically quickly to do [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► that or you under the circumstance where [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► the road conditions which is terrible [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► and so doing it in a way that you're [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► only going 20 25 35 miles an hour and [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► still being able to do it was just a [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► really constructive activity I think you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► just need snow that's all you need to [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► know in the park people up in the North [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► I mean I haven't driven real drive car [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► I think maybe ever married that mean you [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► got your vulva [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► well yeah I guess that count of eighty [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► like 80 horsepower anyway but but in the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► snow i'm very experienced taking [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► front-wheel drive hondas around in [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► circles though because when it's when [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► they haven't plowed the parking lot and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► you're there and there's no one else [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► there do a couple Donuts you know slide [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► around mean you can't help it and and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► you can do that like three miles an hour [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► because it's to police like and covered [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► with you know back down ice and snow so [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► that's something that people in the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► South miss out i will say also a before [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► we leave the skidpad topic that this was [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► this was the exercise especially the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► first time people are on the skid pad [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► it's the exercise where people fail the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► most you know you you've tried to [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► correct them and you spin around and you [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► gotta stop and turn around and start [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► again and the instructors handled this [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► amazingly well like they're very [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► encouraging it's not you know they and [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► they explained this to his most people [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► who go to the school are not necessarily [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► car not a lot there's a lot of like [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► corporate groups there's a lot of people [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► who are taking delivery of BMW there and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► do do like a one-day thing like this [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► they have a lot of novices that go there [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► and so they're not only are they [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► tolerant of novices but they're they're [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► very encouraging and they're very [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► patient with you and and they they [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► explain things very well when you are [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► doing it wrong [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► and they're they're encouraging up to [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► say all right try again you know and [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► it's it was a very very nice mood and I [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► had this both with this one I did and [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► the thing i did last year at lime rock [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► which is this a different portion of the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► same team that put on the event both [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► times it be that the instructors really [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► really good for novices especially yeah [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► anything you can really just reiterate [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► that coming from having no experience [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► with this type of thing and bonsly being [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► a little intimidated about whether i [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► should even do it in the first place [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► that I kind of had this fear going into [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► it that I just you know be completely [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► out of my league from you know from the [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► start and it wouldn't be fun because the [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► whole time it would be a service that [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► sort of if I if I showed up at some [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► professional sports team practice and [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► tried to do a workout i just would be [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► destroyed like it would be wise with [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► this i felt i would love to see that it [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► would be it would be able to be [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► comically bad [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► whereas I think they were able to do [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► here is they're very able to think [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► quickly judge your skill level based on [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► where you where you're coming from and [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► they just like well I'm just going to [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► teach you whatever whatever ten percent [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► beyond what you're capable of now i'll [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► be encouraging you on that and once you [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► get that will do the next one to the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► next and I just always felt that it was [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► it its it you know you didn't need to be [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► somehow you already know all the things [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► which makes sense i guess in a sense of [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► what's the point of the school if ever [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► they expect you to know what you're [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► doing before you get there but it's [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► definitely kind of nice a nice [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► experience that you didn't [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► yeah there's no assumption i mean it's [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► almost a little bit insane that they [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► just sort of let you the huge know [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► here's this very overpowered you know [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► expensive car go off and now drive [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► around on a on a slick surface with [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► basically no no instruction prior to [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that beyond some of the stuff that we've [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► done in the classroom but it was [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► basically just you know sort of here it [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► is go and from there they are just kind [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► of able to get your sister to build [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► build your confidence up from there they [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► also put a really high level of trust in [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► you like for a lot of the exercises will [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► get to they just you know most of the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► time you just put in a car and they say [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► all right you know here's how you put [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► the car and drive go and and they're not [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► like babysitting you [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► we're giving you tons of sorts of a kind [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► of a kind of plunging you into the deep [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► end with like oh my god i'm suddenly [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► driving a very expensive car with not a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► whole lot of instruction before i got [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► into it but if they trust you you know [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► everyone's adults they did they know [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► that you've driven before and they know [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► you know they know that you're not going [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► to like intentionally reckless giant [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► expensive cars with you in it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► yeah and as it turns out one of the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► three of us actually did sort of kind of [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► rac1 of the expensive cars that's an [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► overstatement [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► so the next thing we did was a cornering [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► lesson which taught us about you know [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► where is the where is the apex where do [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► you corner [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► how do you leave a corner how to enter a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► corner [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► it was a lot about that there were a few [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► things that i took from the course which [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► were very interesting [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► firstly it was that the apex is way [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► further towards the back of the corner [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► than I would have expected did you guys [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► feel the same way or did you know that [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► this was the way things were I think [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► that's right [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► hey a dog had never really thought about [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► it in quite those terms but i think it [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► was interesting all the corners are laid [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► out with cones essentially to try and [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► help teach you exactly what you're [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► looking for and it was definitely i took [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► a lot of practice to turn your my [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► instinct is honest you're awesome you're [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► also fighting years and years of teach [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► of driving in the normal manner where [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you're accelerating slowly breaking [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► slowly and turning gently and so [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► teaching yourself that you can turn in [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► much much much later than you actually [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► would normally and me and that's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► actually the better line if you're [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► trying to go around quickly i think is [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► very interesting to kind of experience [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► and see the way that idea definitely [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► wouldn't have guessed that that's how [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you know that's how you take a corner [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that late and that sharply marcos played [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► racing games on video games right of [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► either you two played racing games mario [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► kart haha not really a simulation level [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► i have played a little bit of great [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► trees on my day but not a lot and never [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► seriously enough to really discover what [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► the proper line through return is where [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► I mean John did you do you feel like you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► know the proper lines return because I i [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► thought i did and I clearly did not i [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► don't like the simulation game [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► but believe it I although I just said [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► you know America is not really an [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► accurate simulation you you do learn one [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► thing you learned Mary car because of [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► the massive rubber banding from the [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► enemies like they that people on a [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► rubber banding is that means they if you [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► play very well may I plays very well you [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► know to catch up to you to know you can [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► never leave them behind entirely right [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► so it comes down and things like wave [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► race and stuff like that he's arcade [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► type racers that I've no no relation to [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► real driving the one thing they do have [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► in common is that you do eventually have [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► to learn what the fastest line to the [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► turn is because the only thing that [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► separating you from the relentless AI [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► it's always going to be like you know [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► right on your butt is that you have to [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► take the fastest line to the term [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► because once you get the AI cranked up [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► to that in a really high level if you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► make even the smallest mistake and go [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► like a little bit wide or leave a little [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► bit room or don't hit the apex or you [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► know don't hit the power-ups and all the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► other crazy things maybe they'll punish [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► you and you lose the race so if you get [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► into American American targets humans or [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► are the computer you will eventually get [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► that kind of punishing racing type [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► experience of like that term is fine i [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► just missed it by just like that much [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► and now you're in second place and so it [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you eventually learn yet where the thing [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► is of course but you don't learn is how [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► would be in a real car to break that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► amount and how much you have to apply [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► pressure to pedals they need to save [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► buttons or whatever but the lines are [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► kind of similar although in a racing [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► game with weapons like mario kart or my [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► first game of Wipeout getting back on a [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► straight line after return and being as [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► straight as possible for as long as [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► possible is actually a terrible idea [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► then people can hit you with green [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► shells were behind ya like America [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► that's a strange dynamic we're sliding [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► sideways makes you go faster which is [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► silly and an unrealistic but it sliding [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► sideways takes away some control from [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► your steering because you can't [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► first you have to it initiate the [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► sideways slide and then you have to [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► control the slide and in that respect [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► it's similar to what i imagine driving [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► would be like is that to you know you [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► you to hit that line to hit the line [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► perfectly and to get your speed match [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and everything it's not as simple as [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► like dododo kind of roll through the [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► turnover ever yet they then you at the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► line but you won't be going fast to go [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► fast and hit the turn of the same time [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► is very difficult you don't have the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► kind of control you have if you like you [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► would have your point into a parking lot [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► or a parking spot or something like that [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► you have so many things are going on [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► with the car that moment [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► it's not so easy to just point the card [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► line sure you're gonna have to sling the [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► car and hope your you know everything is [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► alright so you're gonna hit that apex [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and if your office all you can just [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► stare back and get it because you know [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► if you trace your line on the course [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► you'll be strange wiggles and things [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► will go bad for you and you'll end up [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► along the grass and bad things i will [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► tell you though that I can drift like a [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► champion in Mario Kart and I cannot [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► drift like a champion in real life as [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► that found out but I'm with you so yeah [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► I think I think with two days of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► instruction we all combined got maybe [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► ten straight seconds of drifting that's [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► probably true and i was looking through [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► my footage which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► moment in in the m5 on the second day I [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► actually got a couple of decent trips [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► but i wouldn't say they were good drifts [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► but yeah so so on day one in the morning [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► the second thing we did was cornering a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► course where we learned about the apex [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► we learned how did that they really [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► stressed looking where the car where you [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► want the car to go not where the car is [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► and that sounds really simple and silly [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► but man I don't know about you two but [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► it was hard for me and it took me until [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► the afternoon at the earliest for that [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► to really click and for me to understand [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► that if I'm trying to hit an apex where [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► they pretty much tell you to do [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► everything but run over the cone that [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► they put on the apex is an indicator of [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► where it is it's very hard not to look [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► at that and prevent yourself from [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► hitting it and instead look further down [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► the road and just have faith that your [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► hands will figure out where to point the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► car and eventually if I forced myself to [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► do that to look down the road and just [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► have faith in my hands [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it actually really does work but man is [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► a counterintuitive with everything I've [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► learned and Marco did you feel the same [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► way or was this like second nature for [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► oh definitely I mean you know like David [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► said earlier a lot of a lot of the [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► difficulty and in doing this well was [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► over right in your instincts of normal [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► driving because you know they they teach [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► and i don't i'm not an expert enough to [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► know whether this is you know how [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► universal this is but they teach [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► something called threshold break [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► can which is you basically accelerate as [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► hard as you can during the straightaways [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► and then at the last possible second you [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► brake as hard as you can before you turn [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► to look yourself down to whatever you [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► need to be and so it's just extreme like [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► heart but the hundreds on acceleration [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► two hundred percent breaking and then [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► you turn and and you you turn in a way [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that like you start out really wide on [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► the turn and he like cut in and hit the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► apex and the like smooth your way out [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and it makes sense why you do that may [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► explain why you do that but because that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► is so unlike normal driving I it was [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► very it was very hard to to get like you [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► it never became that instinctual I had [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► it I'd like think about every move like [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► okay hit that apex go to the turnout [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► like I had to like it was like [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► emulations of had like think about every [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► instruction i was doing he never became [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► like a fluid thing for me and I'm sure [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► I'm sure that if I did this very [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► frequently maybe it would be but one [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► thing I thought was very interesting was [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► on the last day the main instructor had [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► said that any structures are all like [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you know racing drivers who are have [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► often you know Ben pros or were pros for [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► many years are still are pros and done [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► lots of racing and and and the [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► instructor said that even still like [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► when he's gonna need it does a long race [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► sometimes he'll get tired and he'll [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► start and he'll start forgetting to like [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► look way ahead and and you know start [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► forgetting some of the technique and [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► start reverting back to automatic [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► driving behavior for everyday use and he [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► starts doing very badly and he so even [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► this instructor has been doing this for [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► years and years and years and doesn't [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► professionally even he can revert back [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► to non ideal behavior because these are [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► against your instincts they find [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► themselves driving to work like we're [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► going to work now what's going on here [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► is that when you're driving your car and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► something that you don't play that story [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► going so they find out you're going to [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► maybe maybe not Marco yeah don't have to [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► work that can drive to the store drives [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► to a friends house I do that all the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► time maybe some i'm walking around my [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► house and I accidentally walk into the [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► office [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► haha but you know it's like when I'm [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► driving driving my kids to one of their [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► activities or something i realize i'm [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► i'm on my way to work I don't know [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► no this is not where the activity is [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► stopped going to work on autopilot John [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► as someone who actually has a j.o.b job [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► i totally understand what you're talking [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► don't listen to these two did they have [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► the breaking points marked out on the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► track for you in the beginning like a [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► big big cone the whole time they had [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► cones on for every every time there was [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► like a point we get them to get enough [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► speed for you had to plan on the brakes [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► they would have liked 321 cones like [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► this like first of three then two than [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► one to tell you like you should really [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► break you know in this range and you can [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► figure out for yourself you know whether [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you want to break out the 30 the 20 or [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► whatever and at every turn had the [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► return in the apex end-to-end the track [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► out all all marked with cone so every [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► turn was coned the whole time so it was [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► really it was not about you figure out [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► what the best way through this because [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► they know that we're all amateurs only [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► there for two days you know how much how [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► much figure out can we do in two days [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► with are you know first time on tracks [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► they but so it was really more about [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► technique and just like and learning for [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► the very first time like oh this is how [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► you drive and track which is nothing [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► like driving in the real world so they [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► did a time your laps some of them in [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► some instances you have to understand [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► that the BMW Performance Center which is [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the track at the BMW factory it's a [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► pretty big track by my measure which is [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► to say the only tracks have been honor [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► this and the Nurburgring it's nowhere [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► near the Nurburgring but as what I [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► envisioned as a track it was fairly big [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and over the course of the two days we [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► were there were three groups of five [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► like i mentioned earlier all operating [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► on different subsections of the track [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► and it wasn't until the afternoon of the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► second day that they kind of linked the [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► entire track together to build one major [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► track for lack of a better word I don't [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► know how else to describe it so it's for [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► example on the I'm gonna call the [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► western half and may not have actually [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► been the western half that's where the [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► skid pad was and that's where this big [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► sweeping corner was which they call the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► man turn her man curve that's their name [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► not our [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► and then on the eastern side of the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► track is where they initially set up a [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► slalom which was on monday afternoon and [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and there were there was a corkscrew as [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► well that we encountered either monday [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► afternoon or tuesday morning and so it [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► wasn't until this end of the second day [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► that they kind of link the corkscrew in [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► the slalom and the man turned the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► skidpad all together to make one [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► tremendous track and man that was fun [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► but I'm getting ahead of myself [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► alright so monday morning we did skip [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► had weed cornering we did handling and [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► then we had lunch then lunch was nice [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► but I'm remarkable and I do feel like [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► because I don't want to leave this out [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► there were like six instructors for a [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► total of fifteen people and what [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► happened was we would we would have an [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► instructor to with us for any given [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► event if you will and they would give us [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► walkie-talkies which I'm sure [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► transmitted but the point was not for us [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► to talk back to them but for them to be [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► able to tell us what are we doing right [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► what are we doing wrong and I i really [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► want to make it clear that these [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► instructors like marco was saying were [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► on believably patient and unbelievably [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► good and it wasn't until the very last [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► event of the second day that we realized [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► how good they really were but they were [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► all incredibly incredibly good and they [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► were various ages and all of them were [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► very different and have very different [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► styles and very and they were very [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► different but all of them consistently [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► were patient and courteous and kind and [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► I i really think without that group of [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► instructors this experience would have [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► been totally different [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► it's very clear that to be an instructor [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► at this place like they don't [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► it isn't just like well you can drive [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► okay you're in like obviously these [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► instructors reader-writer picked for [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► having these qualities or are trained [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► extremely well and really pick it up and [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► have a knack for it for it for being not [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► only able to to drive cars well but to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► to explain and be patient with people [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► and teach them how to do it and and it's [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► that's a skill you know being a good [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► teacher is a very valuable skill that [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► that is not [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► it does not come naturally to too many [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► people and the these people all had it [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and they were really good yesterday what [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► did you think about the instructors as [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► someone who was and i know you touched [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► on this earlier but as someone who was [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► not terribly confident about what you're [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► getting yourself into [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► I mean do you feel like they made a [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► difference for you yeah i mean i think [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► the interesting part of course is like [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► the a ballot definitely oscillated a [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► little bit between the times that they [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► were you know these are the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► encouragement and at the other times [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► when it felt like they're asking me to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► do something that I couldn't do like the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► number of times i heard things like it's [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► like it's like more speed Dave more [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► speed more speed [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► you're not going fast enough for the [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► rest of course more amusing one was [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► you're in the wrong gear which is great [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► because i was driving an automatic mode [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► so that was nothing I could do anything [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► I can't like that if you could hear what [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► I'm saying in the car i'm just yelling [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► back at them it's like I know but I [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► can't fix it so there's definitely a [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► sort of oscillates between those things [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► of their telling you it's like at some [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► point it gets its encourage great [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► weather and telling you both [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► this is like this is what you should be [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► doing this is what you should be doing [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► at some point you're like that's great [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you can do it and then every now and [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► then they'll do something that's ask you [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► to do something a little bit beyond what [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you can do and you're like I got nothing [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► like I that I appreciate what you're [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► saying but you know i just i mean i [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► don't think i dont the confidence of the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► skill to be able to accomplish that [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► so monday afternoon we started with the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► m5 in a timed handling course and the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► way this worked was we had half of the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► skidpad that we used in the morning and [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► it was still wet so if that skip has big [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► circle we add a half circle so under yet [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► 800 degrees to skip and it was still [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► getting soaked and the rest of the [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► course was a regular road course [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► including some fairly fast fits and it [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► was funny because in the classroom right [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► after launch on monday afternoon they [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► said to us a listen when you go in do [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► the big time lapse in the m5 you have to [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► understand the m5 has what 550 [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► horsepower and lex to 560 horsepower and [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► a million torques from 0 RPM and even [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► though you will come off the skidpad on [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► to drive pavement [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► things may look dry but the reality of [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the situation is your rear well all [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► wheels but particular rear wheels will [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► still be wet and one of the analogies [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that Donnie the head instructor used was [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► imagine that there were that there is a [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► string tied to the bottom of your [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► steering wheel to the top of your right [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► foot so if you turn the wheel either [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► direction that string is going to be [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► taught it's going to force you to its [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► going to pull your foot off the gas [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► pedal and then as you bring the wheel [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► back to Center that string will have a [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► little more loot will have a little more [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► slack and you can get back on the gas [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► and so what they said was listen and [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► they said this several times you really [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► need to be careful coming off the [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► skidpad because even when you're on [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► pavement that looks dry it it may not be [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► as dry as you think [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► furthermore as everyone is doing this [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► course all five of you are doing this [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► course and then the other two groups of [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► five either before or after you this [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► water that's only on the skid pad it's [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► going to get spread out so that in mind [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► we took our m5's onto this course and i [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► should note that i believe on Monday [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► Marco what color was your m5 I i forgot [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► it must have been with a good color like [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► black or maybe the orange of the blue [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► Dave do you remember what color markers [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► and five was I actually do I was right [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► behind him the whole time I believe it [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► was you know I thought it was white as [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► well and you know kids if you don't [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► think harm is real whether or not you're [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► religious whether or not you believe in [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► such hocus-pocus karma is real because [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► Marco for most of the two days had white [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► m cars and i can tell you nothing about [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► this trip made me happier than Marco [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► being in white cars pretty much the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► whole time it was fantastic and I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► remember we're talking about i'm sure [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you don't lock it up [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► nah it wasn't white on the inside right [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► Marco no not at all it was it was nice [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and black on the inside and that's the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► part i saw yeah that's it [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► so anyway so we do this in the beginning [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► of monday afternoon again we split up [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► into three groups of three we all do [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► different things but we ended up on this [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► big lap first and so I don't recall [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► exactly how many laps of [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► that I'd done a lot you know it was it [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► was a few it was towards the end I think [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► but I come off the skidpad in the m5 and [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► i feel i'm feeling pretty confident and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► if you as you come off the skidpad you [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► make a very slight right turn [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► there's a very small straightaway and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► then there's a 90-degree right into a [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► 90-degree left so it's an extern I come [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► off the skid pad and I get onto the dry [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► pavement and I think to myself self [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► you're in the dry pavement now you can [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► give her [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► you can give her some boob but you can [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► what you can do you know what stop here [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► give her some boot [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► yes do you not want to talk to you come [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► on I i can drop the hammer don't call [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► the trunk they call the boot yeah anyway [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► that's what being the point being i can [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► stand on the gas is that better for you [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► anyway so I come off the skidpad i'm on [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► dry pavement or so I think and my tires [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► are dry or so i think and i get on the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► gas a little too hard and a little too [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► aggressively and next thing i know the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► front of the car is pointed at a [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► 90-degree angle to the road and [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► following that just a mere moment later [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► the next thing i know i am now in the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► grass and doing a 360 in the grass and [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► what I haven't mentioned yet is that in [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the lunch they have right after lunch on [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Monday they came around with em badged [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► USB keys which ended up in eight gig USB [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► keys and they said hey listen we have [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► this magical slumbered telemetry box in [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the trunk of every car and we have a USB [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► extension cord receptacle running into [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► the center console of every car as you [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► get into each car plug this magical USB [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► key into the magical USB receptacle and [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► you'll notice that there is a camera [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► pointed forward to see out the front [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► window and there's a camera on the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► a-pillar on the passenger side pointed [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► at you and what ended up happening was [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► they these magical telemetry boxes would [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► record the two videos as well symmetry [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► for what you're doing on to this USB key [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► and so I video which will put in the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► show notes assuming we have to post this [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► of me spinning out in somebody else's f [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I've been going into the grass and the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► really funny part of this is that right [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► after I spin out and at the very end of [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► the video because the videos [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► automatically stop when the car stops [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► you hear everything and that's the end [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► of the video so i think of both days if [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► i'm not mistaken was I the only person [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► that went off the track [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► yeah i was gonna ask you how many other [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► people went to the grass and I didn't I [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► i believe i was the only one there were [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► a lot of close to home [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► that's what i believe i was the only one [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► you know if if you if you didn't go into [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► the grass that probably means you aren't [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► driving hard to thank you John you don't [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► like everything like the whole thing [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► you're trying to do in this in this you [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► know learning how to drive like a [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► racecar whatever is it you know you're [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► always going to feel like you're going [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► to turn too fast you're always going to [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► feel like there's not enough room to [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► break you know what I mean anyway and [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► like what you're trying to work your way [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► up to is the point where you really [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► don't believe you're not yourself enough [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► room to break and you really do end up [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► you know under staring into the grass so [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► you really do put out a hit on the gas [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► too much coming out of turn and end up [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► spinning it around so I think Casey [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► should wear his lawn mowing adventure as [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► a badge of honor [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► now that would make that's a very good [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► point John that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► yeah maybe Casey was actually driving [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the fastest so Casey how did you do on [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the lap times [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► well I don't believe what do we ever [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► hear times from this we did here x later [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► and I know what you're driving at but I [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► don't know that we ever heard times from [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► this so let me let me come back that I'm [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► not gonna dodge sure let's come back to [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► that but suffice to say one way or [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► another i believe of the two days I was [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the only one who went off and when we [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► got back to the paddock or pit or [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► whatever you'd like to call it i did all [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► of us got out of the cars and Dave [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► walked up to me and Dave do you remember [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► exactly what you said hey I just remarks [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► and how I was kind of impressed that you [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► found some time to do some gardening in [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the middle of our intensive driving [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► directly when we get back and we're like [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► you know we didn't know until we got to [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► the cars because Dave and I were not [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► within visible distance of seeing this [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► we didn't know who we know somebody [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► caused us to off to stop for for like 30 [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► seconds while they figure it out and so [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► we got in the car and both of our cars [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► are nice and clean look at caseys it's [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► covered in dirt [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► what I was not it [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► Casey I'm grasping his teeth and now [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► surprisingly nor did I have any in the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► front grille but yes I was the one who [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► achieved going off track for the entire [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► two days now there were some very close [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► calls from others and unfortunately none [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► of those people are Marco or Dave but [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► there were some very close calls however [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► I was the only one who actually achieved [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► going off the track and doing a spot of [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► gardening but that's ok so tuesday or [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► excuse me monday afternoon we continued [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► by doing another slalom and therefore [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► it's actually I'm sorry was a time [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► course I think this is what marco was [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► referring to the next thing we did was [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► we took the m3's into this time course [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► we did a slalom then we did this hard [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► break into a box that was as wide as 2 [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► or 3 m3 is but only as deep as about 1 [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► m3 and the mission here was to stop in [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► the box and do the entire course as [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► quickly as possible and if you went [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► outside of the box either because you [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► stopped his 22 sooner you stop too late [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► then they would add time to your [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► official time so i think was a two [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► second penalty if you stopped too soon [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► or too late and marcos driving at is [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► despite the fact that i tried to drive [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► the doors off of this m3 i do believe [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► Marco beat me by like five tenths of a [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► second five hundreds of the second one [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► of the other is that right [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► it was very close i mean the funny thing [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► was there was there were a few events [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► where the instructors time to everybody [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► and and then David they posted the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► results in a little sheet you could look [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► at lunch you could look at and and none [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► of us were spectacular [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► the funny thing was between the three of [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► us you know we were driving very [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► differently [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► Casey was was you know pretty good i was [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► sloppy [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► Casey was consistent I was not I had [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► some laps that beat him but I never had [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► like you know a full eventbrite where I [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► beat him by a notable amount and dave [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► was driving like a corolla owner haha [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► and yet the three of us all had [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► extremely similar times like it [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► that was one of the most interesting [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► information about this to me is that I [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► felt like you you feel like you're [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► driving very differently out there [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► then you get back into co well you know [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► there's actually a lot of ways to do [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► this and like if you start getting [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► sloppy and started like you know losing [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► control here and there and kicking the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► butt out here and there for like a [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► little like quarter of a second [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► it's really not faster and the fastest [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► way through the course is like the clean [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► technique way and so the three of us [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► like we felt very different driving [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► things but we were actually doing almost [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► identically Dave were you there when [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► Derek was talking to us about this [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► do you remember what he said everything [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► he was talking a lot about how many used [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► is the broader lesson that I think [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► there's a lot of people come out to [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► something like this and they think [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► they're just like they think they know [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► what they're doing or they're just over [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► overconfident and kind of a overly [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► aggressive and they be attacking the [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► course with just you know the throwing [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► power at the problem i guess like there [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► is trying to as as much as they can kind [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► of brute force the the solution to it [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and so they're like as hard and the cars [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► throwing the car around and not very [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► controlled are clean and there we have [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► someone who's a bit more like me which I [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► can't say like I hit all the lines [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► perfectly but I was typically going [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► slower and so I have much more time to [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► get my lines tidy and get and sort of [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► make fewer mistakes and try and do [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► things a bit more textbook if not a bit [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► slower but the reality is those two [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► things there's sort of this curve [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► between where there is what i'm doing is [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► on one sort of side of the bell curve [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► and then it kind of peeks up at the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► absence of the optimal car control we [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► should be its beer both technically [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► correct as well as quick and then starts [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► to just slide off on the other side just [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► just just as deeply and you start to get [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► overly powered overly sloppy and those [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► types of things and then the end up at [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► exactly the same . that your dry anyway [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► we think we saw this little bit in some [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► of the telemetry things where you know [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► your I think Casey especially you you're [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► on the throttle hundred percent like get [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► your flight pedal pedal all the way down [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► far more than I ever was but the overall [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► time doesn't it we know is only [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► marginally different because at the end [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► because you're as a result of doing that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► you're having to throw the car around a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► lot more in ways that aren't actually [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► productive [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► yeah it's not even so much i think the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► maximum power is that if you are being [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► aggressive and driving you know like it [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► like a butthead you're probably over [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► break probably over-braking to so then [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► you build a ball that speed and then [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► you're like whoa whoa you scrub it off [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► but now you're going too slow as you [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► gotta push back on the speed and just [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you know you thats you're killing [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► yourself by going too fast too slow to [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► fast was looking at a slowing and if you [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► could just taking the average of that [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► speed and going around the course like [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Dave you would have a similar time what [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► you want to go is too fast and just [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► barely slowed enough not to off the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► course and fasting right exactly and one [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► of the exercises actually what I know [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► this is skipping ahead sorry is a date [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► they do a a two-car race called the rat [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► race on on a figure eight shape skidpad [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► actually that's next I'll good the idea [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► is or was it wasn't on the figure eight [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► is on the same course but it wasn't a [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► figure-eight was just a big oval right I [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► guess they figure it would be dangerous [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► should be crashing that's it was an oval [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and the idea was the cars start at [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► opposite points of the Oval pointed you [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► know in the same direction like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► everyone's going going counterclockwise [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and you and you try to catch up with the [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► other car so you have to like gain a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► half a lap on them basically and it's on [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► a skidpad and you're in we were we did [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► it in m6's so it's you know massive [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► power rear wheel drive car with traction [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► control to totally off on a skidpad so [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► it's actually an exercise in control and [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► consistency because you have enough [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► space to get some speed going in a [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► straight line for a second then you have [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► to immediately slow down and be able to [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► turn without spinning out and it was a [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► really interesting exercise because like [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► you again like you would think that oh [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► if you can like power slide around [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► they'll get in front no actually that's [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► not the fastest way around and so we we [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► get to the skidpad to do this event and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► we first do a couple of practice laps in [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► the practice last for me in kc at first [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► and right and i think that's right yeah [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► and so we get on there and the first was [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► me and Dave and I i beat dave after five [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► or six laps I was like I was like a car [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► lengths ahead it wasn't a half a car [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► length and it wasn't a big difference [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► but I was I was ahead so I want then [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► they brought Casey on to do a practice [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► lap against me [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► and he just kicked my butt are you sure [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► I thought you'd be I thought you might [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► beat me on that problem the practice lab [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► nope [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► so what happened what is so you beat me [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► on the practice lap and then and a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► neutral like all right now what will [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► start for real case you can stay out [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► there and we'll have one you know you [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► know add the next person whoever wins [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► gets to stay and we'll see who's left at [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► the end so first up they put they put on [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► you know the the rest of the people and [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► there are five people in groups they put [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► on for those i was last Casey beat every [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► single one of them he said he was the [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► master at this weird like skidpad race [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► just like just just don't mess up just [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► stay consistent and just don't get [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► sloppy and I got on there i was the very [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► last person left at the end and I get on [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► there and I was getting sloppy because [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► he was gaining on me and and the whole [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► time you're hearing from the structure [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► of the radio you're hearing alright [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► cases now have Carla head cases that one [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► calling the head so you hearing how [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► you're doing and so my instinct to to [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► overcome that and try to try to like [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► regain the the loss was to go faster and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► to get sloppier which is exactly what [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► you shouldn't do and eventually then [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Casey kicked my butt too and this it was [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► it was a very very clear and strong [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► victory and it was interesting how like [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► not only was Casey good at something [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► while driving a white car [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► I believe you are you were in the white [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► one this at this point yeah not only [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► were you good at something [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► driving a white car that was not a [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► manual but it was a really great [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► exercise in like trying to get faster [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► actually made me slower should have [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► fired a green shell backwards haha i've [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► got a lot of people still know you can [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► do that [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► I knew you could do that come on [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► everybody everybody knows you could [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► everyone is good news you know the funny [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► thing is is that to be honest I think [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► easily three of the four victories were [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► because the proponent just got a little [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► overzealous and spun out and I know it's [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► funny being all smug about that after i [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► just told you I went off in the grass [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► and I was the only one who did so but [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► believe it or not it was just me lasting [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► long enough not to be the first one [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► that's been out that I think I got most [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► of my victories and Marco I don't [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► believe you had spun [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► I didn't spin but i can't I I definitely [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► had a lot of oversteer towards the end [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► when I was trying to catch up so i was [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► slowed down a lot right but the end of [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the day really my victory was more about [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► me just not screwing up first then it [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► was about me having any sort of [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► technical skill well exactly like that's [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► what Dave was saying landed what's wrong [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► with saying that that's that's what [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► succeeds in this kind of environment is [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► like just just be just drive [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► consistently and not crazily and you'll [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► do pretty well because you try to get [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► crazy you start losing control and [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► losing time so that was day one [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► Dave any other thoughts on day one the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► other thing that we did there was a lot [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► of fun as you j-turns which is just kind [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► of uh yes that was a lot of it is a [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► complete is the cat it's one of those [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► skills that I hope desperately that I [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► never need an actual life where i need [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► to you know put my car around when i'm [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► being chased by bad guys or something [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► but there's a lot of fun did to take you [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► know to take taking m3 and spin it [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► around is definitely the fastest i think [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► any less of her driven in reverse and [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► maybe then we look this up before [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► something about how the BMW's don't have [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► the dog tooth gears and reverse that [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► will make that terrible wine [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► yes I think we talked about this on the [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► regular series of natural butter but [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► yeah so in case you don't know what a [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► j-turn is basically the moral of the [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► story is you you do about 30 miles an [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► hour backwards and again the key is that [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► we were on a skidpad here and in this [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► case we're in m3 is not the m6 as we [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► were talking about earlier and you i [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► believe we were in threes when we were [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► just for this [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► ok so we were in an m3 where the [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► instructor bottom three out to the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► course and we were all on him sixes and [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► we got the instructors and three and [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► he's in the passenger seat and we're in [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► the driver's seat many says right here's [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► what's gonna happen you're going to get [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► to the edge of the skidpad almost in the [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► grass you're going to go as quickly as [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► you can reverse without skidding and [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► when I tell you to you're gonna whip the [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► wheel to the left the left to the left [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► remember that Marcos the yes yes Marco [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► is the left [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► no no not your other left the left it [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► was confusing [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► uh-huh so anyway so you you whip the [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► wheel to the left and he will operate [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► the gearshift all you have to do is whip [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► that wheel to left like your life [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► depends on it and every single one of us [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► all five of us [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► were able to to bang out a j-turn with [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► some amount of skill which of course [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► really amounted to just us listening to [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► the instructor and turning left or [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► marcos case occasionally right when he [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► told us to [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► so what were they doing with the shifter [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► putting you back in to drive i guess [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► they were flipping into neutral so the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► idea is you go really fast backwards [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► u-turn really hard to the but spins out [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► in the car just basically spins out so [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► that it points to self forward and the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► inertia will keep carrying it forward [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► slightly after you're done [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► so all you have to do is right before [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► you turn is just disengage a reverse [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► gear so that it doesn't start fighting [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► against the inertia wonder what you [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► wouldn't give for a clutch in that [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► situation right Casey omn brother but [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► you know it is what it is and so we was [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► it was very cool though and we were able [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► to once Marco realized which direction [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► was left even he was able to listen to [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► the instructor and bang out a j-turn [TS]