00:00:00 ◼ ► again to power and John career kind of a curveball show this week I was out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► San Francisco for of all things Microsoft's build developer conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► moral assets Microsoft's version of WWDC we talked about that show but one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► things that that I got offered Microsoft offered to give me a room in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► conference Thursday afternoon to do a live audience episode of the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► and it kind of came together not quite last minute but but closed and I took it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/28">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► as an opportunity to have a new gas cuz I met you know some people from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► other side of the fence to cover microsoft more than Apple and so at-bat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► whose coverage of Microsoft I've been following for a long time many years big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► fan of his Twitter account to never met him in person before though so took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/48">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► opportunity to invite him on the show that's what you're going to hear so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► was recorded in moscow knee last the people in the audience were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/57">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► attendees of the bill developer conference and he came off ok you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► hear from me I didn't do any sponsor reads during the live event so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► recording those in post which is unusual usually I just do them right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► middle of the show but it didn't seem right with the live audience so I'll pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/74">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► again probably three more times with interesting information from these shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/78">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► great sponsors and enjoy the show I think it came off pretty well I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► had a good time the party start one more thing we're not sure what happened I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► don't know what happened but the audio file that we got from Microsoft cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/91">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► clipped a few minutes from the end of the show I think it was exactly seventy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► four minutes our best guess is that maybe they were recording it right to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► CD and there's a 74 minute time limit so they're not much got cut off the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/104">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► but I actually yeah you know the actual event I did like a nice thank you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► everybody who showed up and dad and and then wrapped up rather neatly whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► when you're going to hear here and a bit abruptly but the good thing is it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► of worked out because it ends in a very Microsoft and way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► easily number one question I've been asked this week is why are you here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/128">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► it's very easy I'm here for the free Xbox how are we all everybody got their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/136">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► free xbox so I got from my case so I'm here this is the talk show this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/143">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► podcast I'm John Gruber so many people here probably from my guest this week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/154">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► baat hai jaan thank you for joining me long time how long you've been covering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► Microsoft is a full time since 1992 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/166">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► right long as I've been following your byline and stuff on Microsoft I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/172">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► remember when I don't either so it is very different than an Apple conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/182">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► I'm I'm a foreigner here you know I go to WWDC just about every year this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/194">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► first Microsoft Developer Conference that I've attended very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/201">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► similar and certain fundamental ways but very different I can't think of a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► obvious answer is that everybody who came to this conference but 5,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► attendees on day one was told hey guess what you're getting an Xbox one that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/215">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► which was very popular at Apple conferences one time like 11 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/222">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► this year they had a broken mouse was featured in in one of the demos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/234">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► they were they were doing it was kind of it was it was supposed to be a typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► enterprise app that that that someone in the audience might develop for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/249">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► company and so they used one of the great Microsoft fake company names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► fabric am and and they built a mobile app and so he was able to report that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/260">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► was giving a keynote address in his mouth was broken he could take a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► of the meadows and and then you know said that the facilities in facilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► could bring him a new mouse and the interesting thing about that app was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► that they demonstrated it on an iPhone right now that's very true so very weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/280">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► times I've had several people this week remind me of that scene from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► Ghostbusters you know dogs and cats living together mass hysteria and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► think you know I think they expect fireworks here and I think in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► they're going to be disappointed because what what we really have here is two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/306">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► guys who understand their respective worlds and those worlds have been far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/311">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► apart for a long time and you know and and there was just this sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/318">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► diagram where you had this little slice in the middle and now those worlds her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► you know their their overlapping significantly more than they ever have i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/327">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► mean I have to acknowledge it because everybody I mean not acknowledge that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► was actually featured in the keynote today wearing my mother had not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► daring fireball had but you branch the software company I work out with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► colleagues brenton they iphoneonly right now and we're using as your we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/347">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► announced today for our backend sink and and they were nice enough to ask us if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► we would do a little promotional video and talk about it and say why and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► you know awful lot of white holy shit I like watch TV I don't get to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/366">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► video before I why I was in the keynote I watched videos I look like a big axle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/374">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► in production values she's super nice and and the message was exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► truth you know it wasn't like you know here's the lines to give it they asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► questions and Britain I gave honest answers and that's where they put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► video was great and I've gotta check Twitter I believe the first tweet that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/392">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► saw after that video ran the somebody said hell froze over very good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/399">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► they're awful lot of them with pictures to its very weird for me I am NOT used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/408">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► to browsing my Twitter replies and seeing my picture of her usual for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/413">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► but interests but I also think fundamentally you know you said with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► Venn diagram with ever increasing overlap between Microsoft and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/427">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► world's is that it's the truth there's an honesty to what I'm hearing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/431">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► Microsoft not just without your but a lot of things that when they say it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/438">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► multi-device multi-platform world that they mean that there they there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► an acceptance that it's not going to be 95 percent of all computing devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/452">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► running Windows anymore that's all you know how do you stay out of the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/457">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► Microsoft stay relevant and successful and grow in that world will one way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/463">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► by spending I think its 3.2 billion dollars in capex this year to build out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/469">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► as ur you know and you know putting basically you know large chunks of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/475">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Visual Studio Visual Studio development environment into that cloud so that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/484">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► will run into any browser on any on on any device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► mean that that kind of of expenditure you know it is really specific evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/496">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► money talks I think that especially with the people who read my stuff and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/502">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► coming from a more alcohol more interested in Apple perspective I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► that Microsoft's efforts in that as your direction you know I didn't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► that number 3.2 billion capex but that's that's a huge number i mean there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/520">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► very few companies in the world that he could spend 3.2 billion dollars I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/523">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► that's that's a really short list that's because it's a raid that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/529">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► one-sixth of a whatsapp the difference there is a Microsoft isn't as to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/531">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► much cum company is operating in a world where their capex expenditures come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► actual profits from actual revenues and not from facebook.com money money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/549">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► there's an ROI on that capex too because you know you're going to be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► presumably for that for those has your instances and all that stuff and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/561">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► a lot of of you know not just startups but fortune 500 companies that are using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/567">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► that data infrastructure as well the other thing about about Azure when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/574">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► go I'm I mean as your user myself have a MSDN subscription so I get like 50 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► of credit each month and you say you know what can you get for 50 bucks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► shocking thing is that I can run my website on it and I think that uses like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/589">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► you know over the course of a month and I couldn't you know just incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► flexibility on it but when you go to that as your portal and start poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/601">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► around you see ok well im gonna create a virtual machine in the cloud now and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► look at all these Windows servers and and wait a minute there's like this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/611">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► list of Linux distros as well that I could do you know if so I could do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/617">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► enterprise and Red Hat and open seeing all these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► all these things and and you know yet another example of where you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/628">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► could get the time machine and and go back a decade or so and and have someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► say yeah you know Microsoft you're going to be selling your largest competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/640">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► largest competitors server operating system in a you know in a cloud-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► service they you know they wrap you up in a way we ourselves are using as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/652">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► you're in a very non Windows the way we're not running Windows operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/659">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► system we're not using the Windows SQL Server we're using it in a very open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/665">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► alright but I think bryant would agree with me though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/675">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► Reds Brent Simmons by my colleague the guy did all the work but it's true or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► not true not we haven't become Windows developers by adopting as you we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/687">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► still totally iOS developers and doing this network cloud stuff in a very open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/691">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► source non event databases you've gots generic storage the you can configure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/698">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► just about any way you want you've got messaging services available to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/705">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► sorts of other mobile services that are available to you and none of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► our windows in fact what's you know what's really fascinating and kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► weird for me as a guy who has covered windows for twenty-plus years is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/720">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► you know they changed the name of a juror from Windows Azure Microsoft Azure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/726">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► that's on one level that symbolic but on another much more important level it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/730">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► it's a reflection of how both the company and the products changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/738">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► another thing I definitely noticed and I saw a lot of people coming on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► you and i talked about a pre-show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► but during the keynote today an awful lot of the demos were running on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/753">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► non-microsoft devices there were iPhones that were being used in demos they I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/760">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► thought i pad in a couple right there was a demo camera in my dressing rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/766">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► and remember it's amber and demo was running with an IDE running on a Macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/775">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► and there is Mac OS 10 up the you know actually felt at home with Safari with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/784">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► Safari Safari yeah so you know this same thing and I think I tweeted this today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/791">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► you know there was clearly a conscious effort to to be very inclusive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/801">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► platforms but you know so they would there would of course be the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/807">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► Microsoft range going from xbox through the various windows form factors and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/813">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► then down to Windows Phone but then there were Android phones and tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► and iPads and iPhones and then Kindle Fire yesterday was also you know that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/823">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► one point they said and we've added notification support 22 Kindle Fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► you know it's they way you talk about competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► you know the fascinating thing is that Amazon Web Services and a juror could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/841">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► not be more direct competitors yes absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/848">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► direct competitors and yet you know you have if you're going to play this we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/852">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► want to be on as many devices in as many platforms as possible you can't say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/858">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► we don't like that company so you know the fire gets its excluded it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/864">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► it's gonna be there and I think there's also something when you go around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/869">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► talk to the people with the Microsoft name tags here there is much less of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/874">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► hold your nose factor when you're talking about those other platforms will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/883">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► we have to support them I think there's some actual genuine enthusiasm now about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► you know it it's almost like it's you know how many boxes can we take off on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/892">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► yeah I mean obviously note no question about it walking through the hallways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► here and just watching and observing you see very high or higher than anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/903">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► else I've ever seen percentage of people using Windows Phone devices no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/908">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► about it makes sense you know the bill developer conference but a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/913">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► with iPhones yep you know and it's weird and so there's one of these ways where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/917">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► you know you close your eyes for a decade and you you can miss these sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/923">TS</a>]
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00:29:15 ◼ ► written for Windows 8 for the native environment in Windows 8 becomes his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► awkward thing where you say well he's modern Windows Store at Metro apps thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► where there was who who owns the trademark to iPhone in 2006 Cisco right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► and and they even came out with a product in December 2006 like four weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► before Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone and it was remembered Gizmodo totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► you know hats off to them for doing but they're like here is the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and it was and it was called the iPhone but it was like the Cisco iPhone and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1792">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► was like some kind of stupid like regular phone but it somehow you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► put on IP network it was like clearly somebody at Cisco who is in his these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► these trademark negotiations with Apple was like we be in a better position if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► we had a product using this stake in the ground does anybody have a phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► they die they just took one of the phones and just cut the cable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► they're like somebody putting even if you look at it closely it's actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► Sharpie that drew iPhone on the back and then I remember on stage when he when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► announced that he and he said you know it's a phone and a communicator and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► know whatever the other iPod widescreen video iPod and yes we're calling it i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► and you can almost hear you want to say fuck you Cisco and they say another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1846">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► thing I have here with apple and and Steve Jobs demon and and it kind of goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► back to the nineties and there is the famous Macworld Expo in summer ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► seven when you know jobs was the ice CEO interim CEO and they announced 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► million dollar investment from Microsoft and Apple and the crowd boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► Boston rates yet and the giant you know like seventy-foot Bill Gates on video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► behind Steve Jobs and there's two things about that I have been thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► this week I just saw somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► a lot of people think that that hundred and fifty million from Microsoft saved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► apple literally like kept them out and they were close to bankruptcy but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► hundred and fifty million wasn't anywhere near as big a deal in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► same name as the commitment to keep making office for mac because that kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► the stock up because it was like well at least it's somewhat that was well way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► bigger deal than 250 million in cash it also kept developers from defecting as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► they said you know if the office is available there then that means that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► biggest developer of productivity software in the world is still committed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► to it so we can we can draft with them we can ride the coattails hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► fifty million investment was really symbolic and and you know and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► that you know I'm not a financial expert but Apple had been losing billions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► go from where Apple was in the early nineties where they were flying high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► to be teetering even mentioning the word bankruptcy meant they were losing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► billions 350 million you know you're losing billions price 250 million you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► just lose that Vegas it was the commitment to office that really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► like you know Microsoft still with us in the Microsoft deal with this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► maybe you should be till but the thing that number is that and they got booed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► like you said you know they booed this and people wanted to fight and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► Jobs said paraphrasing but I can get a quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► close is we have to let go this notion that for Apple to win Microsoft has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► lose probably win Apple just has to make great products and other companies want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► to help us that's great we'll take it we want friend but if we have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► ourselves we do and we're gonna sink or swim loser die by are we gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► great products and I think that's exactly where Microsoft is today it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► significantly better balance sheet right now and that's it it's a huge advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► right so Microsoft Apple was actually in trouble Microsoft is not in trouble i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► the problem Microsoft has gotten into is more or less like they were in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► they were in the doldrums and you could also see certain product lines that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► whatever the inverse hockey stick curve is you know where there was a potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2034">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► they could just go you know the thing and and and go down and drop off a cliff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► and anybody who's who's looking at that the desktop software market for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► used to be that you could get you a developer could sell a Windows program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► for thirty to fifty dollars fairly easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► people people would pay that for a very complex product you you know you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► get a hundred $200 and then an Adobe and Microsoft to charge a lot more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► today you know the idea I mean the idea of someone paying $30 for a program is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► you know people if you if you asked for $10 for a nap now if we're gonna ask too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► expensive you know $5 they you know $5 they might consider it but many better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► be good and I don't want to see a single four-star review in there and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► else is $0.99 or you know or a buck 99 and so you know I think anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► looked couple years ago at where the you know just post iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► and with the App Store in in in full swing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► you look at that and you said our business is dependent on desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► software and windows licenses that cost more than $30 we better figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► how to let that business degrade and find the one that's going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► I think it's true I i really do I think that even when companies get truly big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► and Microsoft has a huge company Apple is a huge company but there's a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► DNA that always dates back to when it was founded and you know without really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► does go back to this DNA that when it was you know the two Steves in a garage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► for Microsoft part of that DNA to me is the whole idea of selling soft as I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► the seventies there's this nascent personal computing mark and anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► was like us and was in the computers that time was can't wait I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► computer in my house and there was I want to write people wanna write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► software for it and people would write the software and they would just publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► it in the source code and anybody can do it and Bill Gates's thing what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► a letter that he published just thinking of that one you know homebrew computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► stop stealing software pay for it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► his idea what you know everybody was saying everybody was saying we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► write software for personal computers Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer dunno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► together and and and pollen pollen their idea was we can write software for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► personal computers and we can sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► right and people thought they were not right there were people thought he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► absolutely nuts and when you wrote the letter that said stop sell you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► stealing it we're trying to you know if if everybody still that we will not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► able to keep making it never liked when nobody's gonna pay for software and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► know it was right but that's their DNA and the world is really kind of shifting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► away from you know well the other thing the other interesting thing about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► DNA of the company and its unique 22 Microsoft was what happened in 1997 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► 2001 with the the antitrust trial that resulted in you know that the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► settlement agreement settlement decree and then that was followed by a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► of of antitrust suits in Europe and so I think the other that the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► thing about Microsoft is they still have that sort of founders DNA in them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► they also have this you know they were brutalized by those lawsuits they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2272">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► forced to change you know just about every business practice that had made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► them that it made them successful some of them it's a good thing that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► business practices were changed because they were you know of abusive monopoly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► power in other cases they were things that we take as commonplace today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► operating system is a browser is right but but the you know the consent decree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► said you have to separate the the browser from the operating system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► you have to provide a mechanism for alternate browsers or malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► Microsoft's argument at the trial that that the browser belongs as part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► operating system which was widely mocked expect you know but critics well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► they and they made the they made the argument in a very happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► handed fashion terrible demo by by Jim Allchin you know who it was a it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► video tape deposition and they discovered afterwards and they the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► government and David Boies in his team found that they had placed you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► had cut things out of this video and when they got to see the whole thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► you know it it kind of changed the story and and and even made them look worse it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► made them look dishonest like they were trying to hide something when they there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► was actually a legitimate story that had the truth on their site had the truth on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► their site and they but the but the but that early DNA was win at any cost which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► is what got them in trouble and I think so I think now a lot of people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► have the belief that Microsoft this is cutthroat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► win at any cost company and they have this this image of the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► hard-charging rule busting Microsoft of the nineties but the the Microsoft that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► in the last eight to ten years is one that is hypersensitive to rules and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2394">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► legal processes and will bend over the other direction to avoid the appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► and even then they still get nailed in the EU for things that they thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► one of the ways clearly that Microsoft is different from Apple and that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► conference is very different from WBC is that just the mere fact that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► still here this is day two of the conference there's a couple of press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► from Drexel recording the show and one of the president's but there's a press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► room next door in the press room next door so you been here for two days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► here all day at WWDC when you have a press badge you come to the morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► keynote which is only 90 minutes Microsoft yesterday's keno could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► been I think they could have cut the the that the big sequence with Joe Belfiore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► playing the the giant piano connected to a telnet window that was you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► little weird but you the press comes in there's a ninety-minute keynote that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► largely devoid of technical information they date segregate there is like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► they don't call it a keynote but there's affectively after lunch on day one hears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► the tech keno and here's where we're going to show Xcode and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► show source code and we're gonna do nerdy stuff but the morning keynote is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► very very layperson consumer II and they flush Moscow me that mean you're out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► keynote is over everybody's out including badge holders everybody's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► and that's to make sure all the press her out and then you don't you can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► back in once that morning keynote is over and you go down the escalator your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► have paid for a developer's badge right and you can go into the sessions right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► so that's why I i last couple of years I've done that but I paper is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► included in a press badge for you develop a relationship and you get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► for free but to come to anything else the rest of the week you need a paid bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► and then fact you know and if anybody suspect that maybe they help me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► something I think that they don't like it when press people buy them cause I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► don't you know you're under NDA everything's under Indiana but the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► know what they think what's the point why the press coming into these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► unless they want to write about it we don't want to write about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► get break yeah I mean there there again is a difference in to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► institutional mentality of the of the two companies so the interesting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► about WWDC I've never been to one but you know if watchdog I watched them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► Apple is primarily a consumer company and so that keynote is almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► commercial you know and you know take you take place specially when steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► was was doing the things and then the developer stuff is like don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► behind the curtain stuff you don't you don't really want consumers to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► about this stuff because you wanted to be magical microsoft saying first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► it's primarily business-focused although it you know if they would like to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2596">TS</a>]
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00:43:31 ◼ ► form factors to be consumer success as well but when you get right down to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► most of the developers here are writing software for business users for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2615">TS</a>]
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00:43:46 ◼ ► consumers versus business thing you also have the open persist secret thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Apple thrives on you know it's it's consumer business is one of its key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► strategic advantages is its ability to keep a secret and you know Microsoft has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► tried that in the last couple of years and it's backfired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► you know you really and so will one thing that we have seen this week here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► is more of a willingness to talk about the future to outline roadmaps even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► they don't have dates on them at least you know this is going to continue to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► supported this thing is coming in in a future update to Windows but we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► tell you exactly when but you can look forward to it and so you're seeing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► little bit more of that now and that's really you know it has to be especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► for that cross device cross-platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► world you have to be have to be more open secrecy just isn't going to work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► you know best example of some Microsoft came to me and they knew that was coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► for the thing with Vestberg and said hey would you like to do your podcast here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2691">TS</a>]
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00:45:03 ◼ ► and there is no other strings attached it wasn't like here's what we want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2703">TS</a>]
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00:48:17 ◼ ► this week I think to me that thing that stuck out the most is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► intriguing to me is Windows Phone 8.1 right and I said well just short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► sweet has taken out of my phone but that to me it looks like from Windows 8 8.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► has more new stuff than Windows 7 to Windows 8 yeah and what's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► and I agree with that assessment completely and what's interesting is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► you I suspect if you went and talked to someone on the Windows Phone colonel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► team they would be happy to explain to you why the kernel changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► architecture changes from seven days where where where different effect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► they you know they angered people with that one and so that was it it looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► like almost nothing from the user experience said but it was it was huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► from the kernel site but once you have that and again this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► things they were talking they were talking about this three or four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► ago and now the user interface stuff is was made possible the rapid iteration in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► user interface stuff was made possible by the work the kernel work that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► did back then and so the fact they're there now you know bringing the API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► together for iPhone and Windows tablets and Windows desktops and even Xbox so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► that I think I think the official numbers like 92% in the API is her are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► are common for those so basically you know the the pitch is that you can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► you know it's it's not exactly the old write once run anywhere thing but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► right once and have a relatively easy time of porting it to other members of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► the same family but the only differences are things that are obviously different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► the screen is much bigger or if it's for the Xbox it's not touch it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► and you have a cellular radio and one device its most likely not in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► those other device if the actual differences in the devices that and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► and so one of my favorite one of one of my favorite apps I think you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► it hits it should be a showcase app for Windows 8 in fact is one called tweety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► i'm ok tweet team and written by a guy named Brandon panic just an amazing app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► and I noticed he had taken his Windows 8 app yesterday he got the Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► 8.1 bits in the in the SDK and today he was showing a running version of 20 a.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► on Windows Phone a point one which is so I mean it's kind of a 88 validation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► their story clearly a flagship featured big big part of the keynote yesterday a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► lot of the news is Cortana which of course inevitably was immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► headlines everywhere serial killer which is the worst that killer that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► killer should be one of those words were if you did your CMS if you put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► headline it should immediately like auto corrected just zapped it just goes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► actually I think there should probably be you know low-voltage electric home on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► the keys and it and it just gives you a shock so that you know it's like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► those colors you know keeps you from keep your dog from running outside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► your property line to keep you from not typing that word again right you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► should not be able to put killer and a headline unless you can have your bike a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► police report that shows the shock and anyway and I think that's a 2006 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► look at it for 10 seconds you might say no serious court time well they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► sort of pulsing thing on the phone and and and a female voice but but really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► court on what's interesting about Cortana is that it's sort of a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► of Siri and Google now because it has the you know a lot of it is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► you're giving you you can give Cortana permission to access the you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► schedule your email your text messages your your phonebook in in addresses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► on and on and on your browsing history and all of that stuff and and so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► get Google now type smart notifications that you never you never had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► explicitly ask for delivered through a series like interface so that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► you know that that i think is really the the innovation in it is is not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► neither one nor the other yeah I think that it inevitably happens that whoever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► can can claim to be ripped off going forward but the idea of voice driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► computing is not new and you know 60 series ship before Cortana and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► Google now shifting between Google had something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► 2001 ran and war games as you know as prior art one of one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► that I thought was interesting about Cortana though and not a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► you know but I think my understanding the way it works though is that Cortana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► runs largely or maybe even entirely on the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► get Siri but compared to Google now where it's here's all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► information sent to Google and most of the computer happens with Google Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► stop looking at your data and figuring this stuff out whereas with Cortana it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► on your phone and your emails and especially with the email thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► Cortana is only allowed to read email on your phone and that cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► transmitted to the service and and so it's a fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► you know really a fundamental difference between the two services as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► google says we want all of your information we wanted you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► Google account allows you to put all of this on our servers and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► aggregated and then and then and it's a black box at that point the other cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► the other interesting feature about Cortana that I'm not sure made it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► too many of the stories there is that there is an interface called court on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► his notebook I saw that and quite so court on his notebook is taken from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► idea that apparently the developers of Cortana interviewed a bunch of actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► personal assistance of you know executives and said how do you keep your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► boss looking smart and on schedule throughout the day and they said well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► have a notebook where we have all this stuff about him that we know about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► or her and and so they say they've they've replicated that thing there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► the the most salient feature of court on his notebook is the ability to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► remove that or include this thing that you didn't see so you have control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► the stuff that's in there now with most products like this where you give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► customer the ability to to tweak the thing you know we know from experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► that eighty to ninety percent of the people who use it will never look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► that but for the 10 percent or 15 or 20 for whom that's important it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► important and the idea you can go in there and say I don't want you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► just don't I don't want you to have that information at all I don't want that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► be part of my profile and you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► yeah it seems like a big difference and I'm really intrigued to see once it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► out in the real world how people's reaction is to it because clearly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► that you know for better for worse than the story was serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► it was announced and it looked really cool and it ship and a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► found clearly found that it didn't quite work as advertised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► I think it's gone a lot but I think it's one of those things where yes clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► they they pitched it in the nicest life but are you don't get it you don't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► second chance to make a first impression exactly it's gotten noticeably better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► over the last two years but in little tiny you know the way that that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► little bit here but they're a little bit faster here you know the big you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► they call it series but the series really the personal assistant but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► cause it's eerie when you do the text to speech or speech to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► dictation that works so much better than it did when they ship like when I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► its winter in my hand is cold and I'm walking in philadelphia and I want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► quick dictator text to my wife or something works so good it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► but it's like too late they don't get credit for it now because you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► think the other difference between the two things and you know another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► that probably didn't make it into too many of the news stories today is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► Cortana is extensible so so third party apps can look into court on it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► so you know there's API is for you know for a nap to be able to have Cortana as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► a as a friend and right and so it's officially beta they're calling it betta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► they're launching it is in beta right when the ship as part of a one right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► it's cuz Apple called Siri beta 2 I think it's just a way of saying look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► this stuff might not work great too we have a couple months under are well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► think you know Google did how long with Gmail Google is your Google searches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► but they're going to definitely going to be able to developer extensibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► because Syria's not developer sensible at all there is no there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► integration with third-party apps so even if Apple announces it at WWDC this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► year they just say it's gonna be first week in June that's not gonna ship until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► the new OS comes out which is probably going to be on the phone you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► they stick to the same schedule as last year in September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► you know and you know your time is gonna be out before then and there you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► virgin this sort of idea Voice driven right personal assistant but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► gonna your Microsoft gonna have third-party integration before out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► that's if Apple does it this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► you know and and there's another thing that Cortana has that that that syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► doesn't that Google now does and it's kind of it's kind of a big punch in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► nose to everyone who all these pundits who were saying Microsoft needs to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► rid of being being just a drag just a drag on the business basically being is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► you know Cortana is sits on top of being in being is not just a search engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► that delivers a list of results it has that you know there's a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► tremendous amount of semantic knowledge in the in the back end so if you ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► you know what's the best restaurant that's within a 10 minute walk of me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► know it can pull that up from Yelp in in in in give you that answer if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► know it has it has access to a lot of sources of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► you know the kind of things that appear in the infobox of the search results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► page that it can also use as answers to the question that you asked it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► those become very competitive advantages that are there because of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► on paying for all these years if you think of being as you know being dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► purchase google.com those losses if you think of that as a sort of product a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► consumer product that was sort of helping to pay for the incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► investment in information on the back in that was ultimately going to drive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► service like Rotana then it's not a loss it's an investment it's all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► seems like science fiction until we have it and it seems boring and we complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► about it but you know that that you said how from 2001 1968 you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► getting there you know we're getting there would you just talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► computer and the computer gives you answers and having something like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► as gives Microsoft a serious leg up over apple doesn't have bet and doesn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► to use Google to do it right i mean Apple has already demonstrated with maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► that it wouldn't it would like to sever potentially life-threatening connections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3714">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► you know because because if you know maps are such a crucial component of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► mobile device Apple does a little bit they're not totally going it alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► Syria has integration with wool from Alpha for a lot of stuffs AVIC reflect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► stock quotes I think she goes to Wolfram Alpha maybe not sure might just go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► the widget but I know you just do math if you just ask him a few questions she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► goes to Wolfram Alpha results come back from them but I can't help but think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► is one of the thoughts I've had the last two days here at building again to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► the iPhone introduction in 2007 and you know Steve Jobs introduced it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► amazing the audience was blown away and they said now an invite some friends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► there in this first friend to come out with Eric Schmidt then borden how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► each other and they're laughing and it was all smiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► and you know the gist of what Steve Jobs said is a Google they're great friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3772">TS</a>]
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01:03:01 ◼ ► build these great little devices with really beautiful user interface they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► search and they've got maps and they've got this YouTube thing so it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► know use them for all that stuff that we don't worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3789">TS</a>]
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01:03:23 ◼ ► harm done like Apple you can concentrate on what you do best if maybe you went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► your house at Microsoft the wall I don't think that such a bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► there's a little bit of the enemy of my enemy is my friend in there you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3818">TS</a>]
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01:04:06 ◼ ► to think that there's this you know blood war between the two camps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3846">TS</a>]
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01:04:30 ◼ ► Google's or Apple's biggest enemy as Google and Microsoft's biggest enemy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3870">TS</a>]
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01:04:44 ◼ ► to support Windows 8 there is exactly one Google app for Windows a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► search it has some other stuff embedded in it so you can use it there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3890">TS</a>]
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01:04:59 ◼ ► you know you could write a sitcom about the whole YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► controversy their Google cannot ignore the Mac and it cannot ignore the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► because the overlap between their two audiences are you know it's it's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► use Apple branded hardware and Google branded services and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► there's a huge influential and wealthy portion of the population especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► the united states that that that that defines but you know so Google can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► afford to alienate Apple users too much but they can afford to piss off when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► does she is and hopefully drive them you know they pay its not a lot of ways it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► seems largely spiteful like part of the sitcom you describe is that microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► said ok we'll write dia and they wrote a YouTube app and then Google you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► found an excuse the API's way and said no even though there was you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► not even asking them to do the work we made yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/3964">TS</a>]
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01:08:46 ◼ ► the other interesting thing about Windows Phone 8.1 is and I found this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► little surprising I guess it's a shocking but surprising is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► Microsoft announced that on nine inch tablets and smart phones it is now going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► where there is a version of it yeah that's the one I you know I need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► back in and read the transcript and watch that again because it might be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► of those things where the devil is in is in the details there I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► they said something like there's going to be a you know will make a Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► you know that I think $0 was what they put on the on the slide on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► and it was one of those were you say it the right way and and everyone you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► the classic magician's trick misdirection focus on the $0 out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4170">TS</a>]
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01:09:39 ◼ ► Windows that that they've talked about talked about through the years but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► know whether it's that or whether it's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► the fact is that they've basically that is a direct shot across the bow of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► Android right that is nothing to do with Apple and the iPhone and everything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► do with Android and to me it's one of the biggest mysteries and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► marketing any field tech or whatever but certainly texts were obsessed over more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► is is when certain products either seemingly get a lot more traction than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► they seem to deserve or the flip side when there's a product that doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► to get the traction it deserves in two ME Windows Phone absolute might just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► saying that cuz I'm here to build I really do think it's a far better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► indicates like not even close and it just seems like the phone market is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► weird and and even on just the Android side alone just Android it just like HTC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► makes what are clearly to me the most beautiful Android phones and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► just getting killed by Samsung and even if it's you know you could make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► argument that Samsung for technical reasons and design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► ins and whatever deserves a market share lead-in and write it just seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► that on the merits it whatever the market share lead a deserved it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► nowhere near what they have which is pretty much all of the profits and Amber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► yeah they've basically Apple has has most of the profits in the mobile market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► and then Samsung has the rest is a Windows Phone get so what what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► think the problem is life why do you think it isn't more successful well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► there's three there's actually three phone markets in the world there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► United States which is dominated by you know and and oligopoly of of carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► and is is driven by carrier subsidies and and and weird agreement so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► no means is actually a disincentive for people to buy unlocked handsets they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► expensive and you still have to pay the exact same amount for the for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► service anyway so there's the us- market and then there's the developed market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► and rest of the world where most phones are unlocked and you have your choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► but there but they're fairly expensive and then there's where the next billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► phones are going to come from in the emerging markets have you know India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► China Africa Brazil you know all those all those places where there's no small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► dollars per device and razor thin margins but the volume is so huge you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► can make large amounts of money they're so basically in the you s all the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► forces have been distorted by the complete dominance of the carriers which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► you know steve Jobs was able to actually break that somehow with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► thing that nobody else has ever been able to to duplicate and then in and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► you know Apple and Samsung basically have all the deals with all the carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► here and that's the us- then you get to you get to Europe for Windows Phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► actually been fairly successful in in in in the UK its I think over 10% Italy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► Italy it's it's you know dominant in you know Romania several of the Eastern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► European country singers pockets there where the the phones they sell for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► significantly less than an Apple product of course and and there a better quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► than a great product and so the market says okay and so they they reward that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► there and then the real battle field is going to be in the emerging markets now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► where you know I think and I think Apple's just gonna say if I will skim up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► that up with the wealthy buyers in these markets will you know will buy will will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► pay they're the same ones who were coming to the us- buying the products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► and then bringing them back home will finally be able to buy them directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► there and then you'll have this you know basically a battle royal between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► manufacturers who are building phones based on Android and those who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► building phones based on the Windows operating system and now that it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► the competitive landscape for them will change significantly so do you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► optimistic about Windows Phone but well optimistic is hard words isn't it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► don't think it's you know I think they're going to get to double-digit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► market share worldwide that its you think it's gonna be disproportionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► around the world it's it's going to be disproportionate around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► yeah I think it's going to be you know Microsoft it's Steve Ballmer used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► you know the one thing about Microsoft as we keep coming to keep hammering at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► you we won't let you know we we don't quit we don't give up and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► there's a lot of people out there saying you know Microsoft just fold its tent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► incas there you know they went from two and a half percent to 4 percent it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► like two years you know if you if you grind out the market share like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► know you're you're never going to get back here your investment that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► well no Xbox maybe proves otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► Xbox lost money big money for 47 years and now it's a you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► successful device it's profitable on its own and has an ecosystem around it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► it has the same halo effect that Apple's always counted on for you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► people to buy an iPod and then an iPhone and then maybe a Mac you know him become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► a full member of the family that Xbox has played that role there so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► think that Microsoft is going to give up on on the Windows Phone thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► it's really a lot of institutional barriers to them getting significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► market share quickly and it is a weird to me like historical tables have turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► where two ME Windows Phone is the classic Mac OS from like the late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► nineties when there's people who really love it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► for the design you know and that they can speak very eloquently I really just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► like the way it works it clicks in my brain which is how I felt as a magnet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► for all that time and yet you're like the 3rd or 4th platform that developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► acts hits when they're shipping an app that sucks right yeah so you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► wanna call and over in San Francisco you're not going to do it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► Windows Phone I didn't even know that so they don't even have an uber now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► know there's a think you have to go to the mobile site and calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► well welcome to they would have made a lot of money this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► I think being a Mac user 1998 exactly as you know I'm feeling whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► opposite of schadenfreude his but I sympathize and I do I i think it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► know I even saw on some of the the demyans and the press room there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► beta of Instagram and smooth I mean that's one thing Microsoft has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► done well as make things run fast and they're totally hitting that you know 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► really nice animation no lag no like and like you stop and get it stops it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► know it just has that iPhone qualities scrolling and and stuff like that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► I have never seen one hundred CSO one of the interesting things was looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► some numbers when I was on the plane coming up here the most recent Gartner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► projections and and so if you take they did you know phones tablets PCs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4671">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► hybrid devices ok so we take pics phones out of there cuz it's a billion and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► ended weirdly distorts the market because in in some of those emerging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► markets the only device that people have a bit cheap smartphone but take take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► that out of there and you actually see you think you know the the PC is dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► but but what's actually happening is that the you combine tablets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► conventional desktop and notebook PCs in these new hybrid things which ever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► know it's a tablet and then you took a keyboard on to it and it's a laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► then you disconnected and it's a template again and if you combine those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► three things you get between 2013 and 2015 you get a market that's growing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► about three to five percent a year which is not an unhealthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► we've got News two things growing at at hyperspeed but that's not an unhealthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► growth rate but what's interesting is that the boring PC segment is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► that shrinking and the tablet segment is growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► but much more modestly than it did after the the iPad's initial success and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► category that seems to be growing fastest this going to garner at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► says will will grow fastest in that time is this category of hybrids touch-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► devices that you know like like the surface but also like the HP Envy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► Asus Transformer t100 in these things and you know that to me that so 21 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► million of those sold in 2013 sixty-plus million of those will be sold next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► that the story I've heard it's one of those things where it's all you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► up the store you can't prove it but the story I've heard on that is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► what wire tablet sales seemingly not as fast as like iPhone in an iPhone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► smartphones why is that the sales graph different and I think the just a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► that I've heard I believe it it it it rings true is it's two things one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► phone market is so distorted by the contracts you know you buy for two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► and it's at a ridiculously low prices your contracts out there like the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► with $199 and get a brand new you know or ninety 90 you know and why not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► you tend to abuse your phone more thing you know it's a small US most likely get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► dropped it does get dinged up and you might argue know a lot of people even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► they take reasonable care of it might actually need a new one for the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► might have died hold as much of a Chargers with tablets people treat em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► like they treat PCs which is more or less a day by one and use it till it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► breaks right knee replacement cycle if if they're like PCs people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► think of them as a five-year purchased and the the the iPad hasn't even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► original iPad's aren't even five years old yet know there are they might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► 2010 yeah it was at 11 2010 yeah my parents to have an original one and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► knew it works ya na na 350 person it's the last thing I wanted to talk about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► I noticed yesterday when I saw an impression that you were working on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► of these devices and I you know actually two of them right you worry if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► upgrading but and I thought that was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► you know that it's you know you don't just cover microsoft and I i'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► from knowing you from reading your work I don't think you're using one just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► because you know that's what might decide it seems that you are a proponent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► well like I you know it's it's an interesting device part of my decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► it's it's funny you ask that because when I came out here remember Mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► Impossible series so at the beginning of Mission Impossible the series he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► know Peter Graves when it opened this manila folder filled with pictures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► he you know bring them out and put it was always the same ones that he chose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► but he'd set the ones that he chose a side so when I was on my way here had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► this big lab bench in my office and had about eight devices on there to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► from and had a ship which ones am I going to bring with me as I have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► were like 48 inch tablets and a couple of notebooks and a couple of circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► family devices and and then this Nokia this Nokia tablet so i said im only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► gonna bring to see you know I want to see how they work and so they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► the surface is especially the surface Pro two is you know it's a classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► example classic Microsoft thing you know they get it right on the 3rd generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► this is the second iteration and it's so much better than the original but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► still you know there's just that there's a few things they can do so I think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► I think there's going to be a new rendition of it this year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► and that will be one where you go out they finally figured everything out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► they and they fixed it and I had an iPad there too and I was sorely tempted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► bring the iPad and trying new things in office for the office for the iPad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► it didn't it wound up in the coal pile and you think part of it too is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► than just hardware though it's it ties in with Windows 8.1 which you know key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► feature is a renewed focus on keyboard and mouse and met by mouse I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► trackpad you know anything that moves the cursor around mouse yeah whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► it you know it really deals with that that what were they thinking kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► objection to the original one where they just tried to hide all signs of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5036">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► desktop even though it was there and and and and greatly improved yes its members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► pro to basically I've been using it almost exclusively as if it were a as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► were a laptop but it is you know it is kinda nice it went on and on the plane I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► can just attach the keyboard from it and send it in and watch a movie on it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► think the goal of those hybrid devices you know the theoretical goal is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► instead of having to carry a MacBook and an iPad you can just carry one and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► becomes it it it it changes personality to suit that the task that you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► laughing because that's packed the church of course look at ya and tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► idea the idea is that you know that it you if you had something if you had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► iPad that could you know magically run OS 10 it had a keyboard attached to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► when you take it off and it's you know and it's running iOS so what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► have in the keynote when you were in the keynote hall what did you using a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► or were you using I was using the surface primarily because it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► things they fixed in version to that made it better than version one is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► thing called the tape cover the cliques in and it has an illuminated keyboard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► its usable on a laptop that's why I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5120">TS</a>]
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01:25:43 ◼ ► using that on with the with the type cover it actually does work on your lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► as a as a laptop with the first version the first edition which only had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► stop for the little hinge that comes out from the back there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5152">TS</a>]
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01:26:04 ◼ ► don't move you can actually type on this thing but it was it it flexed and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwd4SOQ/5164">TS</a>]
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