00:00:00 ◼ ► I got a lot to talk about see you have been blogging you you're like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► microfuge state honestly because you are I know firsthand I my room we want our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/6">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► best per year but much but I dunno internally that you are in a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/11">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► productive mode there but you're also super productive publicly on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► essential for the last couple of months yeah there's two things really go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► together well for me actually they feed each other I had it I know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/28">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► Colorado writers instinct to publishers in stating something I really like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► make stuff public whether it's cold or or writing and I'm happiest when I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► do that so if I'm just writing code you know when it's a while between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► leases and I'm not doing any public communication all actually less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► productive even though technically I suppose I have more time but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► less and less happy about it so I really like writing I was a writer before I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/59">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► a code or not probably be a writer after encoder and so you know makes me happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/65">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► it makes me also let me work stuff out kind of in public and get feedback and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/70">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► learn things and a lot of the stuff I've been doing I'm literally been like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► problem also demonstrating how to solve it I just had to write it in my head it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► and then press publishes the end and you think you get the answer because you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► thought it through by writing it or you get the answer then because you publish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► it and somebody who reaches a you know ships in with the answer both actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/93">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► sitting down to to write it gets me a lot of the way there and sometimes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► the way there but then sometimes the feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► that I get will you make me change my mind in small ways are big ways about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► about what i decided i mean is you know far from an original ops observation its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/111">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► famous observation but writing is thinking and if you can't write it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► you haven't thought it through and sometimes when you do write it out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/123">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► you you gotta be I'm always always want to be ready when I'm writing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/130">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► out if it's like an argument or if I have a point I'm trying to make it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/134">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► be careful that by the time you get to the end you haven't changed your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► and you don't know it you know and don't be a hero and then you may have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► back and rewrite the whole thing but don't be afraid to do that and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/146">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► tell you how many times I got pieces longer pieces for daring fireball by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/150">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► time I get to the end I think wait a second I just have just convinced myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/153">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► that the other point just by writing it all out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► yeah I'm not surprised and certainly the same way for me it's a very common thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► I have a lot of developer friends though who i find you know and and who on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/166">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► off over the years have had very enjoyable to me blogs that go dark for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/172">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► huge periods of time and a lot of times in a fight I want to give them a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► time about a bit of us say something to them about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► the display here I've just been so busy programming are working that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/186">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► that and I feel like with you it's the other way around you said it's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► way around like when you're most productive working you're also most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► productive blogging even on stuff that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► related to your work yeah that's true I love blogging I'm doing it since 1999 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/201">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► in if you look at the sufferer Debbie it's always been about reading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/209">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► writing that's that's what I really love that's what I first saw in the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► that's what made me become a programmer because it was this great great platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► for reading and writing so it's no surprise you know I do a lot of reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/223">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► and writing and that's what i'm happy when i'm happy and productive so one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/228">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► the things you've been writing about this week maybe last week and a half its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/235">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► it a broad topic and I don't want to get into I want to get into it it sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► the layman's level because there are so many other sites or podcast like debug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/246">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► and and even Marco and Syracuse another guy show ATP that can get into more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/252">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► technical discussions but this whole thing about Objective C and the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/260">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► of programming on Apple's platforms is it always going to be objective see or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/268">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► is there some other language that that's going to come in and a newer style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► language that's going to come in and superseded eventually and this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/278">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► evergreen of topics because I forget when John Siracusa started writing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/284">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► it but he called it copeland 2010 so he must have must have been back in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► 2005 2006 ya close to ten years ago I think that he started writing like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/294">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► you know I'm not saying they have to do it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/301">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► but it seems like they should eventually you know there's got to be some point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/306">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► the future where it just seems antiquated that you're writing in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► language that has pointers yeah that's that's true in part of it i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► that a lot of developers can sort of feel that there is a revolution but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/322">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► don't know what it looks like we can guess ya languages have pointers perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► but it just feels like there has to be a better faster way to do what we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/333">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► there's still a lot of silliness you know right and non-programmers out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► a pointer is a variable that points to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/343">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► space and memory directly and if we screw up a point are you heard you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/346">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► probably gonna crash right i mean it's safe to say are you going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► program's gonna go awry right things go wrong way I've explained appointees to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► say that there's a difference between your house the address of your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► yes right to the point is the address of your house right now to get that wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► well that's right and then you start doing things thinking that's a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► analogy and you think you're in your house and you start doing things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► know you're taking a bath and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► everyone's surprised in town I was gonna make another attempt the explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► yeah I was going there my head too so I love I'm a sucker for especially as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/397">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► get older I'm a sucker for analogies like such and such is his old now as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/412">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► blank was then right where I think I got it I think this is one from think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/419">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► is true and yeah we're about as far away from the time of the first Back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/428">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► Future movie as Back to the Future was from 1955 them or whatever year was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► went back to write it was like 30 went back in time thirty years will now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► thirty years ahead which is crazy right it doesn't feel like like back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/446">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► future with his long ago is when he went back it felt like he went back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► stone ages show about you went back to before we were born right so Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/455">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► is a really weird thing that was glammed on top of see right there was the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/464">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► the people the geniuses behind it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► see had no object orientation built in but see is sort of was still probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► years sort of the bedrock language of all program and is remarkably plastic so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► you can do stuff like injected see out of it right but everybody agrees I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/485">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► and agreed certainly agreed when it first came out it its syntax is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/491">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► because they've said look it it's just a superset of see so you can always you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► always in C but you can if it's in Objective C file you can do these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► things mostly all you know largely with like square brackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and make it object oriented and they did this because they had good C compilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/510">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► that they could build on top of and they just needed to like the first versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► of objective see it was just a preprocessor right that's right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► like the story just sort of behind the scenes rewrote your objective CSC and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► compilers and it made a lot of sense and it's a typical sort of mines that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/530">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► behind the whole next system a sort of let's not boil the ocean which the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/541">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► mindset but the thing is that this is what to me is is no need to that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/548">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► around 1988 1989 inanimate object of see it was a that's when next started using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► it and and for all intents and purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► you know it's next hadn't used Objective C probably nobody today would have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► heard it it would've been long gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► would have been just like an experiment historical footnote but CEO was only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/570">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► from water and 1970 or so right 1968 1969 1970 so we'll see was only twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► years old but I remember when I was like in high school and next came out and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► was reading about it and magazines it seemed like well of course these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► would build a non si si this ancient language that was ubiquitous but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► only twenty it was only twenty years old at the time there is now Objective C has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/598">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► been around at least in the next step you know frameworks use as the basis for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/603">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 and iOS frameworks since 1989 so it's it's actually been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/610">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► foundation of the whole next arrived operating systems for longer than see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► existed when they got started and they're still stills I was about to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/623">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► stuck with it and that perjury I don't wanna be pejorative but they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/629">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► using it right and so i think there's just an argument just on based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/632">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► time line that maybe you know maybe something newer should have come out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► yeah but you know so at the same time if you compare today's Objective C to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/642">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► stops recognize those square brackets but it's really changed time right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/653">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► that goes to apples apples typical method of incremental changes lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/658">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► small many revolutions as opposed to a whole new language and frameworks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/665">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► kinda stuff right it's it's it's certainly don't mean to imply that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► has been unchanged probably added more than they added at the origin yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/675">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► you know in many ways it is easier to write apps than it was 10 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/682">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► there's there's a lot of stuff we could do very easily that we couldn't do then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/691">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► and that that's been due to changes in Objective C in there and the frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► blocks are a big part of that for instance makes a Grand Central Dispatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► makes handling multithreading and concurrency like they used to be which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► is great still down hill though it's still it still feels like we're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/710">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► their ire there's just gotta be a better way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► yeah and I think a lot of that really came to light and hit a flashpoint and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/722">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► thence has since died down during the gold rush era of iOS development right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/727">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► the first set said it's a 2008 2009 when it became a huge sensation to be writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/736">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► iPhone apps and app store was growing you know every single Apple event it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/744">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► like an order of magnitude more here is that you know is amazing we've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► got six thousand apps in the App Store and it was you know couple months later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► we've got sixty thousand apps in the App Store and then it was 600,000 apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/757">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► the App Store and so you were ahead this time when all of a sudden there were way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/762">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► more programmers using these frameworks in the language and Apple's developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► tools than there ever were before combined you know after what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/776">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► twenty years you know the first twenty years from 88 until 2008 it was all next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► and that was really small a real small community then then with Mac OS 10 it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► a healthy sized community but still in a niche in the overall programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► community and then with the iPhone it became one of the top languages in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► entire industry I never expected that to happen and I think they're worth it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/808">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► all those programmers you know and the weirdness is of it just it was a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/813">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► yeah and and yet it was an advantage because I think objectives he can write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/822">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► write code that actually performed well enough especially early iPhones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/830">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► that the ABS ended up being better than absolute competing Pat platforms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/838">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► some of it is just stylistic in it has nothing to do with the language I one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/844">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► the things that some people object to is the fact that I think it goes on a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/848">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► all the way back to the next year's but it's it stays through today that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► API's tend to be like if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/858">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► I command it tends to be very verbose and explicit and looking at your blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► right now in a fight for timeline note and it scared they're gonna spell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► out they're not going to make short little abbreviated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/876">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► function calls like traditional sea or in certain other languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/880">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► that's a stylistic know and I that would not change is no way that would change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► if if and when Apple moves to a new language it's it's the the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/889">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► itself i think is controversial yeah I think that's right yeah that this tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/895">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► it's a good style mean we have a complete rights how the interaction at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► the type something like time like no type 18 suggest what I want returning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/906">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► goes but it really makes for nicely readable code and if we were using some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► other language I would definitely want to use that same style I think most Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/918">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► developers must iOS developers I hope would agree with you before you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/925">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► trading with the cocoa frameworks were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/929">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► when you add writer and code words you will use with your style is verbose I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/933">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► think I tended toward using real words over abbreviations separate comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► things like you know the variable I for Lou obviously but I think I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/945">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► wrote a little bit as if it was a writer writing code and I think that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► what the Apple style is is that it's meant to be read in that it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► dates back to a time before most editors had autocomplete and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/963">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► like famously I think that in the early years next developers were using txt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/969">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Edit to rate to write their code ouch yeah i know im glad I did not work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/975">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► this in the days before a complete because it makes a huge difference but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/984">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► think it frees them to be a little bit more verbose so compare contrast with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/989">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► with Microsoft Microsoft has moved back to you can trade Searcy plus + code but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/996">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► that they have C sharp which is a you know it's a more Java like language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► it's you know a lot more modern syntactical elements and I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► it's better I'm just saying it's clearly more modern I seen a little bit sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► and you know that she does but I don't know a ton about it right and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► it's not see sharp in particular but just the fact that Microsoft had clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► had been working on it you know and and had a sort of long-term plan we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► we need to we need to have a language that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► that has these traits of a modern language you know eventually and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► had it you know it's been out for years now and then Apple is still on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► Objective C I wonder how much of that was just kind of recognizing a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► opportunity originally they had details around but they were using job and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► were adding methods and son probably sued them yeah something like that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► so C sharp is basically like alright well we're not gonna use Java reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► you something just a job only with those extra methods and a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► differences right and so no child of jobber not a fork exactly what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► but but then they were smart enough to realize hey this is an important thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► we can add all kinds of goodness do it they've done so you wrote in one ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► pieces of the last week was imagining scripting language where instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► picking one specific language and saying you know maybe here's the language there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► should go with it was just a sort of hypothetical and there was a language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► though is that it would make things alot easier for you as a programmer if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► language worked as intended it should eliminate certain types of errors that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1134">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► you can make in a language like Objective C that are sometimes hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► track down but then you asked at the end would I use this language and that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► of the big stopping point would be that if it and this would be a compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► language like Objective C you run the code through a compiler and out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► compiler comes a binary blob of executable code and that's what the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► computer runs in a scripting language you you might Compiler runtime but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► actually this code that ships in the app that and that to you pointed out would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► be the the sort of big while I don't know if I could use this right and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► words that the app bundle itself might have a tiny little bit of executable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► code that you can't really read the source code to but then huge chunks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► the app would ship in source files in the app bundle that anybody could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► show bundle contents and go in there and start people right now that technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► problem is fairly easy because a scripting language can typically be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► compiled down to some form of bytecode which is not quite as big as binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► binary code but fairly close so well that post was in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► me thinking about getting getting taking the long and weird way around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► thinking about what if we just open source our apps really well and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► that's what I want to do that's where I was kind of going and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► let's let's call it capital O open source is when you actually publish the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► source code and you put an official license on at the MIT license or BSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► license or you know GPL heard something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► officially opens as opposed to let's call it lower case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► 00 open source where you don't license it you don't give anybody permission to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► to do the things that officially open source apps can do but that the source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► code is just there in the app for people to look sort of like I I would compare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► that to the way the web largely works great like daring fireball is not open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► source but you know famously you know it's it's now almost all you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► nineties how we all learn to build websites you can go to the View menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► view source and there's the HTML and Javascript and CSS for your website like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► what would happen if our apps room were more like that I think that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► interesting what it actually really enjoy that a lot and part of me would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► just enjoy it as as going back to my blog we give me more to write about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► more concrete examples like here look at this thing in my source code see what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► did there what do you think of that kind of thing I'd really like that and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► other people could could learn from it or tell me how I could do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► differently to be really cool I mean I enjoy that I think the web community has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► had a lot of that and we have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► yeah and I don't think that that lower case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► 00 open source nature of the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► hurt the innovative designers and developers who made the most and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► make you know the most clever designs and figure out the coolest tricks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► don't think anybody really suffered from that copy and paste ability I mean sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► it enabled some people to do wholesale just rip off the whole website type rip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► us that would maybe wouldn't have been possible if the web had been some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► of binary blob format but I don't know that that release as annoying as it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► I've certainly seen that over the years i think is daring fireball design get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► older it's it's not happened as much recently but you know my site's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► ripped off a lot of times in its annoying but it's not like anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► ever ripped it off and set me back right like I've never lost a reader because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► somebody has a site that to clone of mine I've never lost advertising dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► because of it and usually if you send a person if somebody you know if you send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► him an email say hey that's cool they change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► yeah a lot of the times its people who really have no idea that that's not cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► I'm not sure that it would you know that the effect wouldn't be similar with apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► can feel like it would be i mean there there's the fear that someone just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► rip off right they just kinda reskin things change from blue to green policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► you know and make money that we should have made but again that's like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► on notice someone write to them you know there are mechanisms handling that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► of bad behavior but in general people would would learn from I i know i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► love to see the source for other acts sometimes I'm like love to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► especially if it wasn't entirely copy and paste the ball like if there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► just a wee bit of you know I go back of executable binary blob in there so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► somebody who's who truly just has the intention of cloning the app couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► quite just copy and paste the whole a bundle but if most of the app were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► that and if you saw this cool effect of you know the way that a little action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► she pops off the screen and it doesn't look like it's not the system default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► way that it's dismissed it's another way and you want to see how to do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► could just open it up and say oh I see they did it they did it this way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► most programmers for her beyond the beginning stage are really looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► copy and paste code at least when it comes to looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► techniques they want to understand how you did something like that code but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► you can see how you put that together how you got a certain effect whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► they can duplicate that in their own way their own code copy and paste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► the cool thing let me take a break and take her first break and thank our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► sponsor and it's our good friends at transporter while transporter basic idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► they've been on the show before but if you don't have a basic ideas it's sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► like Dropbox except you buy hardware device or more of them multiple of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► and spread them around and you get Dropbox like anywhere you are any device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► Iran access your data except it's a hundred percent private because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► data is stored on your device or you were device is and nowhere else the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► cloud is only used for coordinating you were filed transporters in your devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► your Mac's your iPhone's to connect through the various firewalls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► etcetera to talk to your file transporters these guys have been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► for a little over a year and I just cannot I can't even imagine how can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► imagine how good their timing is given all of the stuff that's gone on in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► government spying and stuff like that on on cloud-based services and the concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► people have about storing certain types of files and maybe even legally you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► in terms of you know stuff that you have signed a contract or something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► have to keep private are keeping your own devices just amazingly good timing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► here's a stat that they sent me as amazing so this is from earlier this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► month March 4th in the first year of shipments transporter owners have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► deployed 10 petabytes of storage that's 10,000 terabytes wow or ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► gigabytes of storage that's how much there's been deployed by Transport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► assume you're talking about real story which I yeah it's I actually had to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► that up because I didn't know what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► kinds of tons I mean I actually would wait times because the devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► actually pretty small so maybe figured as tons not leader literal tons but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► turn in storage and the prices really great super easy software that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► start your Mac iPhone and they have a $99 device called the sink that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► connect your own USB hard drive and use that they have $199 model with 500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► gigabytes of storage the most popular David 249 model with the terabyte of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► storage built into it and then the high-end 349 model as two terabytes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► just connect this little thing it's so easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► put it on your home network you can connect one in your home or office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► they'll just sink to each other and they'll both have the same money data so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► it's a nice way to replicate data across two locations really really easy to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► up and most important fact that separates them from from truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► cloud-based services hundred-percent private where do you go to find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► go to File transporter dot com slash talk TLK file transporter dot com slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► talk my thanks to file transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► so talking about taking apps with a mix of scripting languages and and compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► code do you remember the c4 talk from couple of years ago from Troy gon who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► was added to be at the time about the way the day architected Lightroom yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► they use a lot of an awful lot of those yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► cool so and at first you might think well that's crazy because lightroom is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► professional photo management tool is super CPU intensive like I use Lightroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► I'm happy Lightroom user all the way from 1.0 it is the probably the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► one album I system that actually stresses Mike my computer and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► not enlarge ways but you know it's just doing a lot you know the modern camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► for you if you shoot in RAW they're just big files with lots of pixels and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► interpreting raw photos is is processor intensive in a new place shelters all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► these things and they all show up live but so the thing is that stuff the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► that you think of the image manipulation is all written in C or C++ some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► traditional high-performance language and a shared code across the Adobe Suite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► you know it's the way that you know it's very sad why they call it the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► name is adobe photoshop lightroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► but did you know it's the same image processing engine from Photoshop it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► the interface that largely written in which totally makes sense that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► don't realize what percentage of code is actually interface code and a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► is just tedious boring stuff like make sure that button is disabled when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► somebody of data has changed and there's just an enormous amount of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► even goes into a psycho like right labrum or even small iPhone outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► carriers in none of that has to be CPU intensive it's just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► something changed update the display slightly you know it's never going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► yeah you need you need to see your objectives he for the slow parts but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► find the slower scripting language and I'll still be a thousand times faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► than what you need and I'm 99% sure that you can do what we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► and pop open the Lightroom bundle and if you poke around in there you'll find Lua [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► scripts and it doesn't in any way enable somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► you know do a Lightroom clone it just shows you the the way they've done some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► i think thats super interesting and it's sort of a a living example of of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► things you know sort of thing you're talking about but it's weird because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► lately has been out for a number of years now and it doesn't seem to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► that method of architecting an app doesn't seem to have caught on like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► not aware of anybody else who's doing that although I guess a lot of games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► that's one thing I remember is that a lot of games are like that where they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► write the hardcourt graphic stuff you know instance or something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► the setup menus and stuff like that the stuff that's not intensive is often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► written in this scripting language and it's often lure yeah I do is really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► four games any games you can you can see why did not as soon as the choice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► that some scripting language is the choice because they're often designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► be cross platform and they're using their own UI stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► so much so yeah it does make sense to do it that way particularly for games the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► promise doing it for something like something like our apt more traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► IRAs for Mac is that you lose the built-in tools during debugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► performance now says I would have a better autocomplete is going to work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► you're kind of slowed down an awful lot and and that's a shame because the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► behind using scripting languages to develop more rapidly scripting languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► are fine maybe that's why they're more rapid but you know there's usually less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► fiddly bits to worry about so you can move quickly but if you can if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► have a built-in tools for this it actually slower and more difficult I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► apologize for not having a better memory especially if trays out there let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► listen to the show I don't know if Adobe has good debugging tools for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► lowest stuff but I do know that they are the way they set up the cross platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► framework it's the it's genius and it's the right way it's that and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► Lightroom looks largely the same when you're running on Windows and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► one of the reasons why they are connected it this way where they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► their own sort of non interface related image processing library and the heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► and thats cross-platform and then their rabies Lua scripts for the interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► thats cross-platform but like when the Lua script says give me a text field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► here it's a native text real so the text field you're typing if you're typing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► caption for a photo you get all the code text editing shortcuts running on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► and I presume you're running on Windows you get all the windows ones and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► the sort of thing we're we're cross-platform stuff has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► historically fallen down where you get these weird mood man text fields that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► are like almost like a native text field but there's you know then you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► escape to auto complete a word or something that you can do on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► it doesn't work and then it's that's weird right yeah that's totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► way so you you've got to set things up so that if your script or whatever says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► new textfield that there's some later that says which platform I am i what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► yeah yeah so I think you're right in the large in this is one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► you've written about that ultimately and there's a lot of cool experiments going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► on out there what was the was the new one that you sort of get you started on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► yes also looked new and you and Ruby motion right but which is the one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► it's it's it's like you're like the the example code was validating forum so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► that's reacted coca y a reactive which is not a new language I think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► a new way of doing just some stuff kind of turning into more functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► declarative dang but the thing is not in order to do that no offense to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► rather than guys people working on this but it's just totally not gonna do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► doesn't look like it doesn't look like cocoa to me you know yeah I can learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► read it maybe learn to think it's not overly back I just don't want him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► with any of these things so it's cool that they hope you know that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► experimenting in the public with them get the best that you can hope for is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► not that that the that these outside projects are going to catch on and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► over but that one of them is gonna get the attention within apple and get Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► to officially supported because it's the bottom line is if it isn't really part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► of what Apple is endorsing and publishing it's never going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► enough integration with the the built-in tools and think that and with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► community at large that there's a huge advantage to be writing your code the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► same way the majority of the development community is so that you can you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► there is like a third party framework you want to integrate with its already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► you know it's written in the same style that's one of the things I'd like to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► cocoa in general is that there are very strong conventions for how to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► and my coat although pretty much like somebody else's code but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► time I am very glad that people are experimenting doing you know I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► little pushback reactive Coco research project but I think it is it's a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► research project and I'm glad it's happening and I hope Apple takes note of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► transact functional programming and bring some of this some of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► sovereignty Coco yeah I don't think research project is is a pejorative at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► all I don't think that that's in any way you putting it down or dismissing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► wasn't meant to be right I i I think maybe because some research projects in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► some fields are so pie in the sky and and sort of removed from practicality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► that you could see it that way but that you know clearly that's not what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► doing they're actually saying you can write code today like this you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► this ship which I may be is where their objection comes from yeah maybe maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► you research project and wise don't use this production code right and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► don't mean I don't mean that at all it is used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► ethylene production code and the people who like it really really like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► that's cool I want them to keep using it and want to keep pushing I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► great I'm just not gonna join in on that particular project going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► highly sympathetic to it and to its goals right let me take a second break I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► know exactly where I go from this let me take a second break and thank our good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► friends at an Event Apart you guys know an Event Apart their longtime sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2378">TS</a>]
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00:41:16 ◼ ► haven't been doing better part are you having been recently you really owe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► it is the conference to go to I can't recommend it enough so an Event Apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► dot com slash talk show my thanks to an event part so here's maybe the counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► argument to you know this I think maybe the big question is does a ball that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► Apple did the people inside out but the decision makers who who would sort of be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► able to pull the trigger on hey maybe we should move start start stepping away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► from Objective C as the the the language and had a higher level scripting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► language on top of it and then use objective see only for performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► intensive thanks do they agree with that do they see that there's a need for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► and and I i i i think from the outside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► indeterminate I don't think anybody knows and it's you know typical for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► Apple that they play their cards close to the vest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► the catch with moving to a language a newer language a language with cooler it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► make you know and easier to use language let's put it that way is that it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► with a performance cost right and interpreted language run slower than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► compiled language but it's easier to use an interpreted language as a just as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► people were calling for this and like I said Syracuse arose in 2004 2005 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► then at a time when you know when switching to Intel Macs were getting way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► faster and performance wasn't quite so important but then came the iPhone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► only had a hundred and twenty eight megabytes of memory and ran on this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► the you know even by today's standards ARM processor I mean what was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► the stat that they showed when 25 C 50 S and 50 came out and they introduced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► a seven system-on-a-chip is that it's forty times faster than the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► iPhone CPU so let's just face it the original iPhone as a target for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► Objective C was incredibly memory constrained and incredibly slow and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► having you know you needed every bit of performance that you get like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► this developer framework ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► was a huge advantage and still probably is to this day I would I would think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► mean I think maybe the modern I was devices are fast enough that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► this stuff could obviously you know and like we said games are in a have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► interface stuff written in Lua but as the foundation for Apple's development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► efforts for the API's it makes sense that they were still using a sea level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► language instead of higher-level language a green yeah yeah I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► they you know I westerly breathe a lot of life into Objective C I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► extended its longevity because it was such a huge advantage in to a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► extent still remains so before the average at there is so much stuff just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► simple UI stuff that might as well be written in the slowest interpreted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► language he can think of and you wouldn't kill tell the difference here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► for instance you I wanna do when the enemy this stuff from here to there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► fact that I'm using Objective C doesn't matter at all because what I'm doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► a destination for a min capacity or whatever and then making a call to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► the frameworks that actually does the animation if I was using scripting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► language instead of Objective C BB same exacting I'm saying you know this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► change it to pass your colors something and then making essentially the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► call in to actually do the animation to the animation would just be just as fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► justice mood actually no different and probably other things with your enabling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► disabling buttons or swiping from screen to screen or whatever makes absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► no difference if you're using Objective C vs something I could be Apple script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► terrible and slow and so much of the average a nine-game is just that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► and then there's some core there needs to be fast image processing database or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► parsing stuff from the web you want that to be quick but you know you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► easily isolate that core right and so in other words it's yeah I like I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► my hunch was wrong on my thinking was well what if the next generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► devices is way smaller still you know whether it is a watch or to watch sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► device or something just truly physically tiny compared to even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► iPhone it doesn't matter if you were app is largely specified in its slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► scripting language as long as the frameworks that it's really that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► actually doing all the work are written in fast type language like Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► yeah yeah exactly right yeah I think the old-timers out there calling objectives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► here fast language is probably making all the right right right yeah that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► always the knock against Objective C four years was that it was it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► added layer oversee and that it wasn't just the language is that there is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► runtime that was implicit with using it that that it was slow and it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► certain you know by certain standards it was slow but now we've gotten to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► point where did you know that that layer of indirection doesn't matter so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► there have been times in like in in the very most performance intensive care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► where I gonna direction of Moammar going straight see over Objective C either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► something like that but in any direction with dealing with RSS pricing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► particularly surprising a whole bunch of feeds all at once and you're creating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► bunch of objective see objects in dealing with things that that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► call a higher level I can imagine higher-level skills you know it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► slow and the more I can do stuff in see things would be a lot faster but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► objectives he is so much faster than what we need for everything else yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► like 99% of so what what's your hunch do you think that Apple has a plan for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► sort of next-generation language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► know so one thing I've learned about Apple engineers is there a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► people who work on on iOS and Mac apps outside of Apple you know they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► same kind of interest and they noticed the same things they think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► same things so my hunches surely people inside Apple who like those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► outside who do think but whether that is actually gotten to the point of making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► plan or anyone anyone seriously doing some work on this I just have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► they can point to their their approach which is you know we give you a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► new upgrades properties blocks of this kind of stuff and it's working look how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► many absolutely how successful the app ecosystem is they could say yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► so too and the other thing too I've learned over the years observing Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► is that just the way that they think institutionally and it always comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► to this is don't get too focused on any particular solution always concentrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► on the problem and that sometimes the solution to the problem isn't the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► everybody thinks is the solution to the problem so I would say Grand Central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► Dispatch is a perfect example of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► where the problem is I would say the problem is that two-fold one parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► programming has always been notoriously difficult in other words having multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► threads at the same time running it's always been a member in college I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► and in the second problem is a hardware one which is that the semi-conductor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► industry ran into a sort of the end of Moore's Law where they can't keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► putting more trend you know transistors on ships in the gigahertz stopped going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► up i mean we've you know we've been stuck it somewhere around three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► gigahertz for high end CPUs for a long time now and so the way that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► making CPUs faster is by adding more course instead of course but that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► the only way to take advantage of it is to run more code in parallel and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► way that GCD work to get into the details of it goes again that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► this program source but it's it wasn't like it when they introduced to the WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► it wasn't one of the things I finally exactly what we've been asking for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► was whoa I've never seen anything like this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► that's really thats sound really clever if it works as they're saying but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► pretty original yeah well for one thing it did it took away the idea threads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► how to think about cues which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► higher level of abstraction which was really nice so I wouldn't I wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► surprised if I would be surprised if the the problem is Apple sees it is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► should be writing less Objective C code for our apps if the answer is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► different then we should be writing in some other language and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► what that would be on that clever enough to think of it but maybe storyboards is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► a good example of that was certainly a Apple likes the idea of you as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► we can in Interface Builder I think a lot of developers like that too because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► everything you do there's lightning coach you don't have to write so in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► our listeners are aware of the old the old idea was to have one file per screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► basically need laid out visually and storyboards you can kind of put together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► a hole after an entire section with the transitions and stuff all other ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► like a storybook the movie but that doesn't necessarily save you a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► code I mean it seems you the same area code used to get said used to say but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► the older method I don't know I'm still on the fence about story but it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► know I don't know about that and Interface Builder itself has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► it's obvious you know they it's been there since the beginning and it was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► of you know going back to the next era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► you know it was an early very you know ahead of its time in terms of laying out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► big chunks of the at visually instead of just encode there's an awful lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► developers I know yourself included who in a lot of cases just prefer to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► in code and find it to be easier and less work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► yeah and well and part of that is I can eliminate the bouncing around right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► if it's right there it's right there in the code to leave the code figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► what the heck's going on and I had to go over to this other thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► officially laid it out and it also works better with source control management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► things like that against interviews we've got actually using a storyboard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► our next release of desperate actually had in polly's just cause I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► learn but you know that section that actually really make sense it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► self-contained a navigation controller analyst but you don't see it so much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► about writing less Objective C code than you did before it's just a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► of using a visual interface told them I mean it will save some code but the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► of cold it's really simple needs you to write so it's not that big a deal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► when I would love to see in Interface Builder and storyboards is for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► like you and Dave to go in there and actually make it work like it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► write you know it's going to look like this and close in a lot of ways I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► you you could sit there so it wasn't a full-time program repeated their layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► text fields and all this kind of stuff and then you can test interface you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► would see what it's going to look like without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► any code but it's not really the interface right in the funds will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► right there will be a lot of missing pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► but I'd love is for you to be able to actually do all the work and then me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► decoder sit back and do things like database API's or don't you think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► a better way to put it would be for like me and Dave not necessary to do all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► work but to do all the middling yeah sure right which is okay here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► thing and it animates from A to B but now you're done and now me and Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► would just sit there and tweak parameters like you know and it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► to say this but the physics you know the gravity I'm just bringing us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► bounciness the speed the acceleration to get the feel of it right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► house is in a huge it really is it's a huge part of a huge part of almost all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► what but people would consider modern apps is the physics of how the when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► things move like it's not enough to just say animate from A to B you've really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► and making that more of a central part of the built-in tools I think would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/3391">TS</a>]
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01:11:47 ◼ ► buying it and it was a time when I had started drinking coffee so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► stopped buying coke and I dropped five pounds in a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► there can we had an argument in this sounds stupid in hindsight but after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► where where she said genomic calories a day you're consuming just coca-cola and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► my thought was that it doesn't matter how many calories it's just a liquid so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► just get out and she's like a note like no dummy it doesn't work like that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► really thought that like if you're drinking it cannot possibly making you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► fat and so I quit I got a bed with her I just stopped buying it stopped drinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► and weighed myself every day and a week I dropped five pounds he didn't perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► that thought experiment what if I dissolve the sugar and I doubt it is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► a story where I'm laying out how stupid I can be at a similar similar thing I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► was overweight was my early thirties and I switch from regular Coke to diet coke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► changes made and over the course of summer lost 20 pounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► well and I hadn't seen things like there was no YouTube it the time so late you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► can go there now and you can easily Google like fine like how much sugar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► in a can of coke and they'll put like 12 ounces of water out and then they pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► the sugar to show you how much it's ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► yeah it's you know it's like you're eating if you're drinking a six-pack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► coke effectively eating like a bag of sugar yeah you're getting cake right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► I you know in hindsight it was a foolish but to take but I did it was a bad habit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► I don't know I don't put anything my coffee so yeah I don't think it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► figure like the most calories it could have his whatever it would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► equivalent yeah they're so yeah I've often wondered about popcorn right is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► she making popcorn only pouring out like a little bit of corn corn a handful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► like crazy but still I think the problem with that is that corn is such as sugar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► vegetable oils you know a lot of sugar and industrial product these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► yeah so I don't know I might be it's not a lot you're right though that it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► know I keep you just ate the raw colonels something much yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► about a half cup and it's good for big bowl for Jonas so so I figure I only get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► a half I don't know like once I don't know we have 16 yeah yeah we have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► thing called a Whirley Pop and we bought is the best purchases over made me want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► to stay in like 1999 Crate and Barrel and it's just a big tits made out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► aluminum or something big aluminum pot and has a handle with like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► prank on it then turns like a little propeller at the bottom of the pan so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► you put on the stove but a little oil in their heated up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► medium-high wait until the oil is smoking and high heat sapphire sapphire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► oil way to the oil then pour half cup of popcorn in there and you just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► this thing on the handle and it spends this propeller at the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► things that the Colonels keep moving in the oil and it takes about a minute and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► fresh hot popcorn how do you make it and maybe I'll check that out and got a hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► air popper so I'm popping in any oil and if I were not to butter and salt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4554">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► popcorn bland but will also be healthier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► works nicely yeah but I'm open to alternatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► mind I mean innovation those are the same melted butter but then I put too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► much to bask in my brother so really spicy popcorn and it's good I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► yeah you send them that I've lost I have had hot air popcorn since the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► force invented it and it was a member that it was like I was like a revolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► is it was yeah I guess it's because I think in the eighties it was like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► whole like Jane Fonda workout it was like when people first started getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► health-conscious pop cultural thing and if you make hot air popcorn and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► don't do anything to it it was you know pretty good you know there's nothing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► bad for ya course also no no flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► whatever you know what I don't like I tell you what I don't like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► probably most people don't like the microwave popcorn now can do it I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► the penalty for doing it wrong when you burn it is that terrible terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► terrible smell yeah exactly way for a while and it's having strange that once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► it's like hey we're gonna put a movie and we're gonna watch a movie I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► make popcorn and it's at this point it's nothing but good times ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► popcorn and I'm suddenly hungry for and movie I've never seen coming up what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► could be a better way to spend an evening with the family and then burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► the popcorn in the microwave and then not hungry for it you can throw it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4676">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► and make another one but it's like it's already a bad smell it turns you off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► yeah and now I'm just kinda wanna watch the movie by now he spent way too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► my favorite thing about my hot air popcorn popper though i think is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► very end when almost all of its popped up review kernels and it just starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► throwing them at me it's a little like exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► mind by the poetry I also I also have a bad association with microwave popcorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► which is that I spent a year at Drexel living in a dorm was just called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► typical drug solutions com the tower I guess nobody gave me any money to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► 16 story dormitory and I was pretty high up I forget what for I was on that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► and it had notoriously fickle smoke detectors and so we had fire alarms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► constantly I mean it was just over and over and over again and of course one so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► far along you gotta take the steps and it was just the biggest pain in the ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and inevitably it was always somebody burn microwave popcorn and so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► like why why can't we make a rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► can't we just banned microwave popcorn let's just ban it it's keep sending off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► in you know never never went anywhere I never actually filed a complaint that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► they should ban it I just would complain yeah sure I'll let me like every good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► let me think our final sponsor it's it's our good friends at pack place online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4781">TS</a>]
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01:19:56 ◼ ► your whole Mac everything your external drives to to the cloud you think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► that must take a long time at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► well it could it could take a couple days might take a week depending on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► but then once you've got that initial backup completed all incremental happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► in the background you have to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► their native written by AB X Apple engineers school app doesn't scripture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► system in any way and without doing anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► your entire Mac is backed up to the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► there's no add-ons are no gimmicks is no additional charges you just pay $5 per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► month per computer for unlimited on throttled back up I always say when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► when i do these read I always say you know the best part about this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► it's off site you know that having a backup next year computer on it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► and try to find what's that thing on Mac OS 10 called time capsule time capsule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4856">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► time she write a time machine driver time capsule that's great too and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► convenient and faster but anyway here's a perfect example I was just last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► one day ago weird Jonas is little league starting up we had get to get to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► the team meeting with the other dads and there is another day another kid who we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► played with two years ago so I already knew his dad and we were like hey what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► up you know what ends up dead just six months ago they had a fire in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► house they've been living in apartments and wasn't too bad nobody got hurt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► was something happen with their dryer at like seven and they were right you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► run in the dryer down in the basement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► here's the thing his home office was in the same basement his computer was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► there as backup was on an external hard drive right next to his computer that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► the exact type of situation back please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► can save literally save Saviour Saviour days because having a driveway next your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► computer something like that happens you need an offsite backup he ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► getting lucky he actually got to save his data but he had to go through one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► those expensive drive saver things it was like the actual closure was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► saver things got kinda stuff off this drive but you say even if even in a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► where the good news is he saved his data could save a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► $5 a month using back twice and left a lot of anxiety she takes a deep sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► when you use back-breaking you have an offsite backup trust me where to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► WWW dot Backblaze dot com slash daring fireball gotten a lot better at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► since their regular sponsor used to first couple times I would always say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4975">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► black base and ends up the day they have that good for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► yeah black blaze dot com redirects to back plz dot com so you can go either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► here's one more thing I want to talk about little things seem like the type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► of thing that you would have an opinion on I do too and that is that Google has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► recently stopped underlining links in their search results and the verge had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► story on this where they sorta like they said like they gave Google like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► welcome to 1998 as though underlying links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► has been outdated for ten years or something like that I i said i I plan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► underline links on during fireball until the end of time what do you what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► well i dont underlined links on my blog and probably the first thing I do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► setting up a new CSS file for any news scientists turn off link underlining so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► welcome the 1998 true on the other hand in this particular case underlined links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► on the Google search results is just the way Google search works and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► turned it off I feel like my brain couldn't understand what I was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► at the UI of their search result is something so many people are familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► with and it's almost like we understand in some deeper part of our brain by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► just because it's so familiar and so use them to make a change like that burns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► bunch of brain cells even though it seems like such a small thing so you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► feel like we have the opposite opinion where I feel like I didn't even notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► that Google turn them off because I feel like everything in Google search results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► whereas what I'm thinking isn't with enduring fireball that when an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► individual where this story is is a link I wanted to be underlined and in other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► ones too I just feel like if a word article is linked to me that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► underlining means underlining means this is a link but I didn't even notice it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► Google because I just assume that everything is surprisingly things aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► linked like the actual URL right result pages which bothered me for years how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► can you show me you are out there is no link yeah I did still is weird to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► yeah and now that I don't know the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► yeah and now they're not underlining them it seems even weirder right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► the blue things the blue and purple ones are links but the green lines aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► so I felt like at least when they were underlining on there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► consistency there were only the underlying things are links but I try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► keep an open mind about this so my mom I think my thinking is that in traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► typography and guy English and I were talking about this couple weeks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► should never underlying any like the whole thing that some of his corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► with four you like a book title should be underlined in a report or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5189">TS</a>]
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01:26:38 ◼ ► know is based on this what you could do on a typewriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► you couldn't italicized typewriter underlining was the best we could do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► so like when you were typing the manuscript for a book if you wanted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► word italicized underline it it was you know that's what the when the manuscript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► go from the editing to the typesetter so when they saw something underlined they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► wouldn't underline it in the actual novel they would italicized it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► if you can use proper italics and bold even small caps and and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► nice typographic things like that there's never any reason to underline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► anything and so I found one of the genius things of the original web was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► that they took this needless typographic thing the underlining and gave it a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► meaning which meant said of I giving it emphasis or indicating a title or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► something like that it meant this is a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► yeah and and that is that there was a smart move just that aesthetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► though lot of sites don't look so great with others underlines your six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► different though you're not using color for your links yeah you can use one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► the other right and since you're not using color you have to happen until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► sure yeah I thought about that so i guess im gonna keep an open mind maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► maybe you know maybe I should reevaluate that but then I thought well then how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► would I indicated because i dont have color palette or with and if I picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► like us at all you know I think something subtle that would fit with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► daring fireball color scheme would be huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► usability nightmare because it would it would be too easy to miss that it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► it's a link but do you worry do you worry about like cause I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► that I try to think about like color blindness stuff like that you worry like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► on an essential that your links don't stand out to people who are colorblind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► I don't worry because no one's ever complained maybe that's a cop-out but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► also think I hope that the accessibility stuff his progressive the point where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► deals with those kinds of things for me because you know at that level to suffer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► knows what the Lincoln what it can do the appropriate things I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► there is there something know if you're color blind that you can set your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► browser to somehow always highlight color where of anything like that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► enough you know I haven't looked at it enough I think that for the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► truly vision-impaired you know for people who are blind or nearly blind who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► use special software for that than it does you know highlight links but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► I think for people whose only you know issue with their vision is color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► blindness that you know depending on what colors you pick and I know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► know there's there's some cool apps that you can use that test that Larry lage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► simulate this using common forms of colorblindness but you think you so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► think underlining you can you think it's a fail kada do not undermine league's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► yeah well we be doing if we do not underlining links for many many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► and and the web seems to have gone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► okay it does make and so for example and it's in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► okay it does make and so for example and it's in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► that like you said like the way that Google search results were laid out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► have sort of like somehow he insinuated themselves just one level up from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► lizard brains the early years and I think that explains why all other search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► engines effectively copy that style I don't even think it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► shamelessness I think it's because we you know like being for example is large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► you know the search results are largely formatted it's not exactly a pixel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► pixel clone but pretty much the same fonts and sizes as Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► I almost think it's because if they didn't it would just be automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► rejected yeah that's right when people talk about something being intuitive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► they often really mean is how it works just like this other thing I know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► already that's that's the case being as intuitive as long as it looks and works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► like Google right like you know I don't even have a good analogy but remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► when when pepsi came out with crystal pepsi it was cola and it tasted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► Pepsi but it was clear like sprite and it lasted I think about a week and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► think it was because people you know if it tastes like Coke or Pepsi Cola it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► to be brown yeah that's right and I feel like the same way I feel like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► made a lemon lime soda some like ice-breaker seven-up but you colored it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► like pepsi it would be it would be revolting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► you wouldn't you know I feel like you were just hooked up to expect search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► results to look like that have to admit though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► now they just quick toggle between it being result in Google result the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► of underlines in the Google result does look pretty clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► gastric just struck me as very rare though an end hasn't stopped striking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► away but you definitely notice Yeah Yeah right away I cursed actually it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5511">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► sort of thing and and for all the stuff you know the other various things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► Google does I mention it every couple weeks and it shows that there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► Android am a fan of and there's all sorts of stuff about Google that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► know pundit wise I'm probably you know if you want to say program title title I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► still have to say Google search is is one of the two me one of the 8 wonders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► of the modern world and and and we we all even if you think about your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► can't help it take it for granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► right and I still think Google knows that internally because they've you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► and then toured with their advertising at a place in some ways and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► recently the you know that they've changed david Turner toggle the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► they've made the the paid the sponsored results little bit less easily discerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5572">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► from the regular results but on the whole given how important it is to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► company you know and how much of the revenue comes from search ads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► everything they've they've stayed incredibly true to the original idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► Google search all the way back to you know I don't know 1996 or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► was when it was in beta 99 I don't even know but it's still very reckoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► recognizably the same thing that I think the thing I don't like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► integration with Google Plus social graph and trying to figure out what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► want to see based on what my friends of search for ya know how that stuff works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► like no I want these I want much your regular algorithm would give me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► yeah exactly I want you to know nothing about me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► yeah basically you know and I if I wanted to search for something local you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5631">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► know like a yelp type thing where I want to find you know a good bagel place near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► where I am right now I would use something specific that I wouldn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► don't want Google search to solve that problem for me I mean Google can give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► something to do that but you know make it like a separate like Google Local or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► something like that I want google.com search to just be generic everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► the world who types in the same thing as me to get the same results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► yeah this this is kind of the front page of the web that we are having Connor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► exactly lasting wanna talk about it I want to talk about your new podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► that's called the record you're doing it with our mutual good friend Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► Parrish so tell me about the record so for a few years I had this in mind is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► project where I wanted to capture the history of our developer community Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and iOS developers and some part of the time I thought about doing it as a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► but then two years ago I realize you know this probably better as a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► be transcribed but the fight later but the easiest way is actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► recording interviews n publish them so I thought about that for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► became a little more urgent to me when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► at the Experience Music Project museum here in town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► Nirvana exhibit and I was lucky enough to go to go to college in Olympia ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► and saw Nirvana player darman's and everything so went to this exhibit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► you know they had things that you know roommates and friends of mine were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► involved with and there was a lot of like my own personal history right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► but an hour to realize there is a whole lot of stuff that happened in there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► was never recorded a whole lot of history and stories just gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► didn't realize it special and it's a lot of stay past year it's such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► great show but its stories that I know some of them I've heard a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► are things that you here at like six o'clock having beers on a Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► during WWDC you know they're not really you said they're not recorded anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► and you say like hey here since I haven't seen this guy ten years what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► you up two and then it's remember that time I remember this and then you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► the story but then it's you know like you said it's not recorded anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► would sort of you know place right in to the title of the show the record yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► it's a lot of fun to do and and Chris I have great plans for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5812">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► all kinds of all kinds of one season I hope we do is early in da heroes so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► idea would be to record the people who were Indies before me right people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► rich Siegel Dave Winer our culture Peter Lewis there's there's a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► people and I would just love that because there's a lot of history there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► these folks would have imagined I think I really do announcing his cos cos I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► your friend I really do think it's such a great show but I really do think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► for people who listen to the talk show who are looking for more shows to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► to man this has got to be right up their alley and I think and I think it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► easily also separated into per two reasons one people have never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► these things they're great stories and there's some great products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► technologies and stuff and maybe they'll hear about for the first time and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► second group probably in a let's face it may be slightly older group or people or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► and or people who have at least been using a Mac we're doing nerdy stuff on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► Mac for a longer period of time we're gonna hear about these things again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► be like oh my god I totally forgot about that and you guys if you just go the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► website is the record . Co which is I've told you is incredibly awesome domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► name into the record outgoing or see their six episodes of you guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► addition to doing great shows you guys kill it and just absolutely positively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► put me to shame on the show notes I love doing the show nutso christa's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► editing out of the shoulder and I just a bit today with headphones on and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUFd4/5922">TS</a>]
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