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00:07:17 ◼ ► was forced is it sixteen billion in cash no no no no there is I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/437">TS</a>]
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00:14:20 ◼ ► not turn out so well and so from that perspective I think it's ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/860">TS</a>]
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00:14:37 ◼ ► was in the PC its it is the thing on mobile I get it dominates use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/877">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► absolutely dominates usage in every market except for the us- and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/883">TS</a>]
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00:15:06 ◼ ► necessarily believe it but for the sake of argument here I'm gonna push a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/906">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► common sense accounting look at this so let's say they've they've paid $40 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/911">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► user and let's say that I'm right and even as a that say for the sake of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/921">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► argument that I am a downer on this deal but even so I've got to admit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► you've got to be looking at let's say eight hundred million users on whatsapp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► eventually because of the growth that they're saying and the way that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► things spread socially where you know if 34 of your friends are using it it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/938">TS</a>]
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00:15:47 ◼ ► definitely runs on your phone because they run on just about any phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/947">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► said $20 how the hell do they make $20 per user back from them and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► don't how can it possibly be worth the money because they've already promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► no ads and they've said that it's eventually they're going to charge $2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► user so one I think in a million is extremely conservative I I would bet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/973">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► and I miss that within five years what's out will have many more users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/981">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► Facebook the product itself so that will raise the price that much more to if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/987">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► were to ask me in isolates of the three really big messaging players are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► whatsapp line out of Japan and we check in China if you were to ask me on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► stand-alone basis which of those companies worth the most I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► trouble putting what's ahead because they don't have any real monetization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► strategy your wares live we had a very developed strategies they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► really interesting from business respective an honest question is how big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► a dummy I am so we chat WEC 880 is the seat of the last ok so that line as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► Japan why is japan but but line is lined dominates here in Taiwan it dominates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► Japan Thailand then they're fighting it out and be dog it's definitely a Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► sort of phenomenon but the other point being what yes you're right from looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► at it from a pure making money on it it's not totally clear but this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► it's so interesting that Facebook bought them number one like Facebook the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► company doesn't need we tend to monetize right away like Facebook is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► cleaning up right now when it comes to modernization like they're just crushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► it like quarter by quarter light glass for the last year so they can if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► like if they don't make a dime and we can reach out like they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► OK because their main product is doing so well for the deficit for fiscal years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► so they've got they've got some funny money because their stock there after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► really high investors are very keen on Facebook at last I checked their PE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► ratio somewhere around a hundred and ten right and it is honestly it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► justified given the like the rate of growth that the revenue has right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► because they have they do have real revenue and profits and and its I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► say it's probably probably be there in line or or exceeding expectations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► not expectations like the stupid thing we do every freakin quarter with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► Apple where it's you know these quarter by quarter estimate but just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► ballpark you know the longer term thinking like before even the IPO house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► Facebook gonna make money and it's you know there was you know what they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► do this and this and they could you know really you know they could bring in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► much advertising per quarter per user and they're they're they're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► you're right there they're in there beating it like they're certainly be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► suggestions for whatever it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► and so given that like presuming that they're they're fine as a business use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► late then why why even bother with this white why you know throw in nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► billion dollars in your main business is doing fine with the big question is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► three or four years down the road win if I'm right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► messaging is the dominant sort of interaction model and Facebook has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► tapped out kind of their growth then what at that point we chat or whatsapp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► is gonna cost is worth 100 billion dollars two hundred billion dollars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► if you don't exactly in nineteen billion is on the edge of Bible as it is so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► they were ever going to get into this space they tried they tried with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► except for the us- message is getting its ranking all over the world like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► was the last chance to buy in into into into this area I think in that context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► you but I was forbes who reported that last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► whatsapp had twenty million dollars in revenue ya know if they're not buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► what's out for their current business model like they're they're buying what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► out for one the users and to the option value of messaging being the dominant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► form of social networking the future which i happen to subscribe to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► believe is the case and it is like wine in which a part crushing it also from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► opposition standpoint so it it is definitely possible to monetize this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► they don't do it be a display ads I did do it through like the stickers is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► thing it's only like twenty percent of revenue but they do it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► fascinating life direct marketing channel I will go to the mat on stickers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► alright let's go to the mat and tsunami take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► me take a break and and talk about her first sponsor we had them before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► it's been a while I'm happy to welcome back as a sponsor the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► Warby Parker eyewear be partners in new concept in I we're really it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► basic disruption story where there is one of the founders was was traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► his glasses broke out again fixed and how to get a new pair like six or seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► hundred dollars for a new pair of eyeglasses stupid this should not cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► this much you should have to pay $300 for a new pair of eyeglasses just to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► a pair that looks good so you know what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► started a business where they make vintage inspired contemporary stylish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► eyeglasses that start at $95 and it's no bullshit it's none of this stuff we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► to pay extra money to get to get the good lenses to get the anti glare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► coating and stuff I those who doesn't want that everybody wants it the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► glasses from Warby Parker come with everything you need and they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► amazing system for how to get him because you think what you want to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► they have a thing called the home trying program go to the website you pick five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► pairs that you are interested in Dell ship you the empty frames to your house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► and its beautiful packaging really nice you try them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► like taking pictures showed your friends later let your spouse tell you which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► looks best on you send them back and you'll get the one they want back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► your house super easy you get five pairs to try at home of your choice pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► one you like shit my back and I'll send you the ones you picked out and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► the thing they have a great great charity program almost a billion people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► worldwide lack access to prescription glasses prescription lenses for glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► that's fifteen percent of the global population that cannot effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1402">TS</a>]
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00:23:33 ◼ ► nonprofits around the world I one of them is called visions brain and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1413">TS</a>]
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00:23:44 ◼ ► someone in need around the world which is amazing so you get you save money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1424">TS</a>]
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00:23:55 ◼ ► helping somebody else around the world get a pair of eyeglasses can't recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1435">TS</a>]
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00:24:07 ◼ ► they also have really cool stuff for sizing using your webcam just amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► amazing stuff really cool technology and really really disruptive to a a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1453">TS</a>]
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00:24:41 ◼ ► go check them out to all rights stickers I am the typical American with all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► messaging apps platform social networks where I i've heard of them but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► really know anything about him and I've heard about stickers but mostly from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► path which I don't really use but while I'm path path ripped it off I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► bottom line which is the first one who first time to get you to get why you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► you can add me if you want and I will inundate you with stickers and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► you're probably block me so stickers is one like they're amazingly expressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► like I mean I was the emoticons are our thing and you can have opinions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► them but like there's there's just things you can express with the sticker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► that you can express any other way weather be like you know some beers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► some like sadness disappointment like it honestly that thing I know I sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► ridiculous saying it but unless you've actually tried it you can't you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► mode Modi had its like what's the difference between Lake reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1551">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► something and seeing a picture of a picture in seeing a movie like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► it's that much more expressive there so much more variety than 200 totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► totally I mean get you get the it's not like honestly I got I'm gonna not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► do it justice like I would encourage everyone who doesn't like this go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► get your significant other or one friend to do it and just like mess around for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► little bit I use it for a week to one person and and then you can come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► and say I'm an idiot and but I would wager that some you will definitely will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► definitely see what I'm talking about it was into a wider particulars like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► they just don't think they all make their money and stickers is only like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► twenty percent of these companies rose actually just throwing it out there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1615">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► like wine is really made a thing out of like some of their main characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► four main characters there's like so many characters and it's like a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► thing like you know like Hello Kitty is like this like skirt up on the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► is everywhere and they're all types of brand stuff like wine is in japan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► already like that there are there was an exhibition actually here in Taiwan like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► about line characters art pieces and all this sort of stuff like it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► really interesting what they're doing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► to being cut this whole this whole kind of segment of of you know it's simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► Japanese thing but it's it's it's something it is hard to get unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► actually try it by forty can be so much more expressive and so much more fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► and what you want to say right up with sticker really hit the spot so so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► wife is a pretty good mojo higher emoji I you know I'm terrible words I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1671">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► whatever I did I remember it at the live talk show it easy because there is a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► that Scott Simpson Road and Maryland man in and Family Support Command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1692">TS</a>]
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00:28:24 ◼ ► was communicated entirely in in OJ no emoji emoji wikipedia says no i said im [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► then I must have said Amodei on stage and Scott Simpson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► to speak Japanese and he liked lived there for a couple of years so it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► point of him being there was the view from my pronunciation disability now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► from for example my wife is very funny with them you know and shoot you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► you're talking about things like where I will see you know till text me in if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► you know out with a couple of other dad coached little league or something and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► say meetings running late and should just text me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► couple of beers emoji as in as if you know yeah I know what you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/1759">TS</a>]
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00:34:24 ◼ ► use it anymore right so far but wants to keep the stickers in the store then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2064">TS</a>]
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00:34:53 ◼ ► Arabia lot bigger than that like line games and apps and there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► universe of apps which dumont eyes through in-app purchase and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2097">TS</a>]
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00:35:24 ◼ ► like the company that owns line there's a ton of apps and and in these after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► classic like in-app purchase money-makers whatever you may think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► them and but the thing is is because they own the app that people spend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► vast majority of their time in and whenever there's that little badge this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► message you're gonna go to it and occasionally there's a message there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2148">TS</a>]
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00:36:10 ◼ ► download their game does the game prompt you to sign in with your line account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► yeah it's like like somea like Facebook paper like you already had the Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► app installed like you're automatically signed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► well that's a little different though because Facebook is is baked into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► system that that's true but what it does is a few quick sign in little flip over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► to the light out and write it's like i don't know how what what sort of black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2193">TS</a>]
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00:36:58 ◼ ► writer apps yet know exactly still and so what's interesting is a good what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2218">TS</a>]
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00:37:19 ◼ ► like unbelievably efficient and powerful marketing channel directly to customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► and so if you're a developer you could go into the App Store and I do your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► to get a hit game and then you get a quick seventy percent of the revenue or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2252">TS</a>]
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00:38:11 ◼ ► the huge Chinese Internet company so it's interesting 'cause $0.10 $0.10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► biggest app was always been so cue cue is instant messaging for the desktop I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2297">TS</a>]
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00:40:55 ◼ ► device or have a desktop client or something that they could have a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2455">TS</a>]
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00:42:43 ◼ ► was too fast they just change the outcome freedom though still interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2563">TS</a>]
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00:42:53 ◼ ► $0.99 they just wanted to say you know maintainer you launch the app and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/2573">TS</a>]
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00:50:28 ◼ ► you know oddballs because their proprietary 21 companies devices yet why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3028">TS</a>]
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00:51:05 ◼ ► purchasing whatsapp because they already have they have exactly what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3065">TS</a>]
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00:51:17 ◼ ► not interested in making it easier you know to easier than be on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3077">TS</a>]
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00:58:26 ◼ ► whatever reason never unpacked my iPad and wanted it last night so it had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► five days since I'd use my iPad and I opened it up and charged it took it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► charged it in like two hours later to get out and started using it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► want to watch TV after i'd been using iPad and put it down on the coffee table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► I was done with it and then all of a sudden every message i'd had for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► the last five days started coming in on the iPad and and I was there it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► weird I mean you know and and that's not right I don't know I mean that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► cool that it could catch up on those conversations but it's it was annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► that it was you know making noise for all messages has a lot of work stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► Best burden so I thought at first I thought Davis was sending me like 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► messages all at once at 3 a.m. and I was gonna give them you know what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► are you talking do but then it was you know they were like days old so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► it's not perfect I understand but overall it works pretty well so they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► got that they have that in their pocket where no matter what they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► message and it's it's pretty solid and it does what they want but number two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► you know there they've got all of these things right so whatsapp is a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► well there's you know what's happe started as an iPhone app and it is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► actively you know very actively develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► I found out there's a line now there's all these things have iphone app so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► know you go to taiwan and everybody nobody uses iMessage everybody's using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► these other services you're a ok on your device you know and that's why I do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► these apps are is is one of those I know that we should get sidetracked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► Windows Phone yet but is is this one of those things where Windows Phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► lacking some of these ABS they I don't know but there's like a ton of messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► apps but for the big ones they they have Windows Phone apps license for now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► chatted it up as this is this is the thing about Windows Phone know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► absolute crap the problem with our secondary problem that is easy to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3654">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► lost in promoting the apps that aren't there is that the one that her terror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► are often very rough on the CD working on them are you have a talk about it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► yeah there there there now but that's a good point and i've i've mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► point you know ever since Android really first started gaining traction while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► while you know this is circa 2008 2009 in a win win Android was really early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► early stages and you know what's behind in every metric there were fewer Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► there was only a handful of Android devices released yet there were few in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► absolute way behind in as the App Store started catching up and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► whenever these you know the total number of absence I've the iTunes App Store is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► way higher than Android App Store Google Play or whatever they call it back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and I am from the start that's grade but you know if that's the only reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► use an iOS device then we should all be using Windows computers because Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► always had more apps than Mac the reason we use max is as the absurd better not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► you this is such a thing like that is an advantage you know to me that's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► been the bigger advantage that the Apple the iTunes App Store's had is not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► the breath but the quality of the top hats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► know it so I i worked so I was a guy I was originally a Windows user a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► systematic my 2004 and then with Microsoft Windows again and to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► I quit Windows seven and then I worked on Windows 8 but we're both like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► were great operas as I there is actually something that I really quite preferred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► to have you been away for a while and that was how do I actually don't mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► operates all but the apps are just a disaster and he was like no one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► apps but I thought that was exactly like the quality of a quieter I was used on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► liner the quality of its focus is really pining for but the quality of the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► was in my estimation such a stark difference that it it was in daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► irritant that I i didnt I was having his rough edges that I did enjoy having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► I think that's still the case involves the worst talk shows I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► about this stuff but i wanna talk about it later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► so let's call that a teaser for the final segment of the show cause I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► want to talk about Windows Phone in microsoft and Windows and you're exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► like it's almost as though you're reading some of my notes prepared for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► the show but I still wanna know by messaging so I message let's agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► Apple has you know this what our deal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► unheralded but it shows that Apple has another sort of billion dollar value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► thing in its pocket even though it is inseparable from the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► yup bbm I have seen a lot of people point out so like you said it is cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► platform and they had a plan to make a cross-platform years ago and and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► ago it was sort of a killer feature of owning a blackberry is that you got free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► messaging you know and mobile messaging and you know I think it's fair to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► that in hindsight this was one of the main innovations that Blackberry had you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► know more than the device itself but their day they saw the value in mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► unmetered you know compared this and that let people do it freely right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► didn't have to think about SMS is it such as causing you to send the damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► thing you know you're the mental costing the person receiving rate it it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► when you in the days when SMS costs when everybody use SMS and they cost 10 cents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► whatever it it's a bit rude it feels to just say hey by the way I'm gonna take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► dime from you because I want to send you this then that says you know can we push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► back dinner happen now right there's a mental cost to that you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► charge somebody it feels rude so blackberry was way ahead on that and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► really does actually does not and a unique observation and there's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► five thousand people who observed the same thing that this whatsapp deal shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► just how big mistake it was for blackberry not to go cross platform bbm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► 303 probably would have been too too late but for five years ago but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► why businesses is hard because the reality is is bbm was a killer feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► it absolutely drove the adoption of Blackberry phones particularly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► emerging markets like Indonesia where various still there last football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► old right and the problem is when you're selling your BlackBerry device and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► you're making $150 of profit on that device like it's really like in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► saying oh it was actually pivot to removing the main differentiation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► this device that makes it worth buying and give it to this model we can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► five $10 per user per year and yes over time will be a much bigger business will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► be valued at nineteen billion dollars and our company is on its way to be six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► billion dollars so there's there's this 23 year gap in there where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► basically like killing your business for the promise of having a better business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► in the future and that two three-year gap is is for a publicly traded company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► is is untenable your weather is that all of the talk talk to you about me who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► another time but is like the kind of unfortunate reality of being a publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► traded company like and the limitations it puts on you and you know it's it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► that's one of the because you it's not just that you have to go to one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► be at the chairman of the season and get one yes it that you need this consensus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► from a largely are often irrational heard right I you know that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► have no way to get an explicit permission you have to get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► consensus permission and it's you know if you think a committee of 10 is hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► to get agreement upon imagine having you know millions of shareholders but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► worse than that though because especially intact where we're so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► compensation is tied into stock your distance analyzing your workforce thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► with Apple I mean people I mean a big part of Apple's people are absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► believe in the mission and they're there because they think there's no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► the other thing though is an Apple engineer does not make any more infected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► primerica little bit less than a lot of other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► but they've done very very well with their stock options over you know before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► the last couple years in that makes up for a lot of misleading ends that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► up for a lot of late nights and when that's getting stagnant or going down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► now you're having a retention problem you're having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► you know people wanting wanting raises like it's it's really the the trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► with having a kind of a declining stock price or is this not going up is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► lot more problematic than just bad press and and that's i think is letting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► that final 12 employee issue that is important understand we wonder why Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► bothers with this stuff well and strategically it is a lot easier for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► company who is maybe coming to the end of the line with their previous cash cow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► you know blackberry with with their messaging oriented devices you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► let's face it Windows Microsoft with PC operating systems applications it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► is a lot easier to get buy-in for expanding and doing something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► compared to disrupting and undercutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► that cash cow it's it's easier to add on so just easy example Facebook buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► what's up there not disrupt in facebook Messenger really because what happens is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► bigger than facebook Messenger right and they're not making money you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► whole thing is a facebook Messenger never really took off the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► Facebook wanted to write their adding on now they've got something they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► have before right they're not screwing with what they already have and screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► with what you already have sometimes is the right thing to do but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► thing that's hard to get buy-in for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► it's hard for like you said a public company to do because investors might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► object because they don't see it as they don't see it but they don't care like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► they're they're worried about you know they they will sell your stock invested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► elsewhere right there worried about their solely focused on the return you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► know end of mismatch in incentives right and i think that the time so I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► agree with you i don't think I think in theory and in hindsight yeah maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► blackberry had an opportunity with BBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► to be one of these massive sort of platform agnostic messaging mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► messaging platforms but that the time for them to make that happen was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► when they they couldn't they couldn't vote they couldn't justify using it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► competitive advantage for their devices that it was just too is too compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► to say look you want free messaging bunch of the people you know you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► Indonesia or wherever you live you know are doing it with blackberries you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► a blackberry it was this is why remains the like the single most impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► thing that Apple's ever done is put iTunes on windows for this exact reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► because it was basically saying we're giving up the Mac they weren't given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► map they're giving up on like they were there wasn't a differentiator for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► Mac right and we're kind of betting on this on this new business there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► directly the same because they weren't undercutting the map per se but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► were foregoing is an opportunity out there folks foregoing an opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► make a Mac more attractive relative to Windows right said I popped up as its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► own individual thing as opposed to a thing that made the Mac better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► exactly and if the thing with that though is like what made that Hannibal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► in a lot of ways was that it was even though he was the last one to agree to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/4364">TS</a>]
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01:27:32 ◼ ► people away from direct messages so something happen where I've heard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► it is thick cocks dole own self gotta diem with its spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► Twitter link in it and he clicked it and I don't know that bad but he was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► infuriated that he just said shut it down no you know no URLs and direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► we can get this man out and it's months later and that still screwed up its yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► I had a few conversations where like I've actually resorted to like posting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► text file like Dropbox and license and willing to it because like my only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► relations of them to Twitter and be weird ok I get your like Skype or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► something like a lot of the DMZ I get our people who I know you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► know in real life but I know on the internet and no you know they're sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► me links for possible links for daring viable that's the whole reason they sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► me DMZ links and so every you know it's funny to me to see the different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► that people will do to get it through alright like I have one guy who's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► good regular contributor in his thing as he'll send it with three slashes HTTP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► colon slash slash slash so it's not clickable I can't click it but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► copy and paste it and then just delete the / in the URL bar as you put spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► in it I would say i think is probably more annoying yeah because I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► it although it takes me back to like 1994 93 plan any time you had anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► send you a URL yet the copy paste go to the browser app based you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► you know didn't take too long for you know IndyMac absent in mid nineties to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► get you know like him it was command click easily on a URL and you can open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► it was a long time since I've had to copy and paste urls Twitter DMS have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► it's obviously it kind of blew my mind it really but the fact that it still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► stuck like that two months later and everybody who uses DMZ bitches about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► every day just shows that Twitter still doesn't have the heart messaging yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► think it's a lost opportunity for them I agree how many users just what have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► think they like a hundred million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► think they like a hundred million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► give two hundred and thirty million total drought-like yeah but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► reality is like twitter twitter is and this pains me to say it because it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► important to me like there in the most precarious state employees guys like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► they have gone public in there there there you know they had a nice run up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► their stock price but I'm not sure that was deserved what we would sit you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► twitter is so interesting because the the potential is massive because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► know wake knowing what I'm interested in is way more valuable than knowing quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► know what you can market to me so much more effectively by knowing what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► actually care about and Twitter knows that the problem is getting people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► day 0 to a curated following with that gives an accurate representation what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► they're interested in is like devilishly hard and I'm not I still don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► they're doing a few if like try going open up in the browser and go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► twitter.com and like the home pages just like the signer processes yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► it's there's a lot of room for improvement I don't think they've said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► still don't think they've solved the explain to someone who's not on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► why they should be on Twitter yeah that's a bit of a problem but like OMG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► sealer and I were talking about a few weeks ago there they still they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► which to me is best exemplified by the fact that when people are on TV as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► guests unlike a talk show they show their twitter name or or they show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► hashtag and the hashtag I know that you know you the one of the weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► about has takes you could use the same hash tag anywhere in that Facebook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► trying to get people to use has takes to you know and so if I tried to promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► hashtag daring fireball it would work anywhere where you can type plain text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► because it's not a real metadata fields but when people see how I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► think Twitter and I know when you see at monk bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► you know it to Twitter name right which for anybody is interested is is Ben's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5531">TS</a>]
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01:32:26 ◼ ► he yet he is definitely unfortunate encounter the Spanish teacher from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► let me just take a final break and thank our our last and final last but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5558">TS</a>]
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01:33:19 ◼ ► when implementing SharePoint which is internet package from a little company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► in Redmond Washington called Microsoft they build a whole page about it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► go to a glue software dot com slash the talk show go there don't know you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► from the show and they have this whole sort of I want to call it a white paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► because it's not whitman written in that white paper use language it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► plane plane a real white papers and written English here's the five main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5630">TS</a>]
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01:33:58 ◼ ► that's something that does very well they have responsive web design built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► into all the features of their platform everything you can do on the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► even administering the internet itself you can do from the phone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► responsive design they also found that SharePoint is too expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► it requires too many people and here's the worst part the most damning part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► abusing it people end up using the other things to work around all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► they don't like about SharePoint so then you need all these third party apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► do these things that you could be doing all through check them out and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5673">TS</a>]
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01:34:50 ◼ ► more than 10 people had very very affordable after that so it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► got better features it is mobile it is mobile-optimized works great on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► desktop too and you can try it for free for up to 10 people and then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► it's very affordable so go to glue software dot com slash the talk show my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► thanks to all right so I think we've done messaging pretty well and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► have just a few minutes we talk about microsoft who you know used to work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Microsoft when did you leave I left last summer so I first in 2013 2013 yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► feels like it's been longer just be like I know you have my started the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► while I was still at Microsoft tribe but did you know obviously picked up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► once you left yes perfect I V because like a few weeks later they had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► reorganization which I wrote about in that that was a couple of traffic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► bomber last in the Nokia so it's been a very fruitful subject so we were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► earlier in the show we had to be hinted at where we're going but that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► obviously a big the biggest problem Microsoft has is that the industry is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► shifting to mobile the whole whatsapp thing and messaging is just one once one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► but everything's moving to mobile I mean that's where all the growth is and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► is a place where Microsoft has really just utterly failed to get traction at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► all and that it's more one of the things is that it's more than just that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► don't have apps on Windows Phone but that the apps like you said the apt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► have just aren't that good and it occurs to me that that situation that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► it's this situation that situation is far worse for Microsoft than it was for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► Apple and Mac back say that the nadir of the Mac market share Wisin like 96 97 98 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► is that even though the Mac was overwhelmed and market share was buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► windows and by the number of apps available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► the Mac still had office and it still had the whole adobe suite and all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► you know QuarkXPress and freehand and other design apps that were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► really important to a lot of Mac users and even if Mac Office was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► behind the Windows version there was there and the Adobe apps and the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► apps always were you know parody or or the Mac versions were better and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► always had throughout that whole time had an amazing indie community that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► making truly top-notch apps for people who really really cared you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► companies like bare-bones software with BBEdit panic got started around the mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► nineties and any yeah I'm me with that shift yet perfect example one now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► a little bit later in the nineties because their next step but that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► like early days of Mac OS 10 Pakistan was you know effectively a new platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► and in 2001 and 2002 Mac OS 10 was a smaller platform than classic Mac OS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► forget when was that Mac OS 10 actually had more active users and classic Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► 2003 or 2004 even and so you know when when Mac OS 10 was getting off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► ground yet then you had the Army Group you know people like Brent Simmons who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► work with now so disclaimer but you know net newswire came out in 2002 and was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► amazing out just an amazing app that really really change the way I view the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► entire internet so they windows did Windows and Windows founders don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5934">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► anything like that especially Windows Phone yet this is exactly this is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► completely agree like the Apple was in way worse financial shape than Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► is now and then will be for the foreseeable future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► the difference though is a balls was in Apple's control like they just needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► make better products and that's exactly what steve Jobs was very good out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and then back and he always had some people who are waiting for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► products that potential no no because they always had that that that bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► the UI that bid in the experience that that would always appealed to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► the problem for Microsoft right now is their problems are out of their control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► their depend on developers that they can't control like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► develop their pending on consumers by their devices they can't make them buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► them and that's a that's a much worse position to be because they're like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► could make literally the best phone on earth in every single dimension and none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► of us would buy it and justify we sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► Farhad Manjoo had a great column in The Times yesterday saying like reviewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► the latest Nokia phones have is an amazing phone but I can't recommend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► because the app situation and they can't change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► the problem is being a good fast situation actually hurts because nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► helps you change what you're doing then like doing your payroll a few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► right the case for Apple yeah there's not too many factors on phone hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► design right there's camera quality screen quality battery life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► performance and storage but stories is easy I mean that's no good quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► arguably rate and lets and my Nokia definitely has build quality down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► the camera quality and they definitely have camera quality arguably there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► probably the one that can get you can argue you know you can make it strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► case is beats the iPhone 5s better at different things but they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► excellent right at the top tier camera you know and so like you said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► what's left screen and performance and you know I can't judge this new one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► had reviewed but you know it might have let's just concede that it has leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► the leading performance good battery life and a great screen that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6104">TS</a>]
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01:41:54 ◼ ► device definitely matters but it's the overall experience in the overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► experience is is largely about apps yeah it was interesting about this is and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► made this point in the in the first episode of the new podcast is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► made the mecca viable platform getting in like just to be clearly even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► you're insulting value only c-max so it's easy to think like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► dominating the window still dominates in the PC in in like the laptop desktop one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► factor but will be the Mac of viable platform was the web like right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► all the applications that matter now ran everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► and what's what's interesting for Microsoft is like they have to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► ones that are most they should be the ones who are most stressed that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► mobile web hasn't taken off in a meaningful way from application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► standpoint because that would be their salvation like that and what they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6175">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► be spending their resources on is they should be doing two things and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► seems so so this will you know that they've they've woken up if you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► these two things one they need to give up and I give up on the tried and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► adopt WebKit and quite frankly like Apple could use the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► like Google's for kids they're going with Microsoft and Apple ought to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► together on the future of web get because Microsoft cannot afford to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► clear I is done a lot to be seen as compliant like it's it's not a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► browser awake you think it is but that doesn't matter is not a battle that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► can afford to fight like they they need to run every website perfectly with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► not just from standards perspective but also with the WebKit quirks respective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:56 ◼ ► and then to wake they need to take all these resources are focused on trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6236">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► prop up their app store in funnel them into like making web apps into something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► that's meaningful because that's the only possible way back in my perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► is where web apps actually become so this means more ball and then it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► matter because I think it's unlikely that I think it's a picture of a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► point there so I see 293 ways forward one would be to somehow get developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► traction for Windows Phone apps and i'd I don't see that happen anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► private and I don't see it so I that's one it is possible but i don't realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► is like the return on investment from improving your Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► up or your Android app is so much better than building a new one it's not just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► you finished the first to know gonna build a third of the way as in never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► works in their favor to would be what you said would be some sort of way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► they're like what happened with web apps on the desktop in the nineties through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► the early two thousands like where we're big new things start up or a big news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► service or something was almost always in that era a website you know Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► as a prison fine example of a TV you know later amid 2002 what was Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► it was a website it was a thing we went to your browser and type facebook.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► went there and so anybody could you know Mac or Windows could use it whereas a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► Facebook would have been a Windows app and Mac users might have been locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► down I think the last big thing I can remember that was a Windows app was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6355">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► Napster it was obviously had a component but there wasn't a native Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► client but as I was done Windows then I was on the mag think applied this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► where the IndyMac community took it up and you know absurd absurd didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► to lock Mac users out they were just focused on you know where most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► people were which has windows and so it was just you know it's the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► it's not that people necessarily don't even want you know I guess instagram has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► a Windows Phone Klein now but it didn't take them long time because they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► to lock them out is just wasn't worth their attention yet but the IndyMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► community had a couple of pretty good naps our client's forget the names of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► them I'm sure memory is just like with amazingly well designed out a client or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► even better there were called Maxtor forget the name but there are at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► two or three sounds like what in IndyMac there were like two or three of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► and they were good enough that you could you know you could do the things which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► was you type in a song name and got a bunch of results and you know dragged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► them to your desktop and you had to music on your desktop download mp3's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► FTP thing like prine absurd know so I think this is I was in college then so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► that way which is like the ground zero for this sort of stuff so using their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► release sites I would go to get people at EPA addresses and other site in la [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► jolla all tons of music in retrospect like totally bizarre so from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► perspective with Napster him along like it was unbelievable like he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► going from a old school phone to an iPhone like it was like it was so of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► course it made its own everyone my memory it well it was sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► Google where you know the search results used to be you'd have to reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► expect to hunt through 20 search results to find that thing you were looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► and I felt amazing because oh my god now you know you go to AltaVista and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► would type this query and if you spent ten twenty thirty seconds eyeballing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► results you would find that thing you're looking for and you were you were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► 30 seconds away from almost all the information you could imagine and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► all of a sudden Google came along and you were two seconds away from you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► imagine and you didn't have to eyeball you just see it right there at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► of the list and that's what Napster was right instead of having to hunt for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► Keith Richards version of run run Rudolph you know which is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► used to be before digital music was like this epically hard B side of a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► from 1978 to fuck you just type of run run Rudolph and Napster and there it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6536">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► at the top you know it was a really goes it was unbelievable and it was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► on a trip but I remembered you know but that's where the IndyMac community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► really stepped in and maybe a Mac was you know every every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► something would maybe breakdown because the Napster would change something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► Windows a pic of the change right away and it took a while for the magazine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► after that though things were web apps you know at least a big new things he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:26 ◼ ► didn't feel left out and you could get a Mac and and interchange you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6566">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► people using the mass market using Windows I don't see that happening I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► really diary because I just I think it was always an aberration I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► thought that it's the UI I critic in me always saw web apps as this gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► completely agree with agree now I i this is a controversial but to me it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► so obvious like the problem is people were scared to install applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► because the whole virus was hard to acquire them it was the App Store it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► the App Store that killed the web as the main thing yeah and because absurd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► better like there's any sort of technical or any sort of way you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► it and app is going to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► like updating in ya can't you just cannot under emphasize the fear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► rightly so that most people had Mac or Windows Mac or Windows but especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► Windows about installing new software because they eventually would get burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► you know that you did you know and I know that you just need to do once not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► problem with modern when does but for a long time the DLL conflicts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► just so many things that you could run into and that you do you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► eventually slow down your computer and there was no way to undo it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► that uninstall was not uninstalling everything and everything was running in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► the background and that the freedom of the App Store and yes it is limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► we're now apps there are cool things that an app that can do whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► want on your system you know you know great stuff on there so many you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► that's why the Mac and iOS deserve to be different you know but you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► hijacking this conversation right now allowed to do right that you can install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► audio hijack 40 or or or Skype call recorder and while you're in the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► piezo and wire and one-half record the audio stream from another and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► do that I was because they're all samples but it's that freedom that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► helps normal people know that you know you can install these apps willy nilly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► and it will not slow down and get a virus and if you decide you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► the game is your finger down on it the accidents gone and you know it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► gone and it doesn't have all this stuff to Detroit us that it's left behind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► it's the it's the remnants of that fear that that fuel this whole the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► unbelievable still persistent things that you're not supposed to leave your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► apps running on iOS and that every you every half an hour or so you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► double click the home button in 48 to lead all that absolutely although given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► the way that was that it crashes but now I can I completely agree and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► it's one of the classic mistakes that people make in general is is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► attribute like success in one area they don't consider all the things that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:52 ◼ ► have contributed to it and so they think like oh web apps are successful because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6772">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► it lets you build ones everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► easily update and the people saying this our developers for whom this was a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► was a bit it's very great to play everywhere it's great to build update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► easily but unless you can be kind of apathetic and put yourself in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► the shoes of someone of the end-user only then can you realize that they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► give a shit about that they give a shit about you don't not giving up my risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► about having their data available everywhere and not and that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► thing in in once that's taken care of that means what's more important is it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► developer's life being easy or is it having a responsive enjoyable to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► application and the latter prefer now if anything I think that over the last six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► years of five years whatever the app story or is it was announced six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► ago but it didn't show ya was announced in 2008 but didn't ship until the June [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6833">TS</a>]
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01:54:05 ◼ ► that it's more native app focused today than it was then because because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► all the people who were insistent that it was only given up the ghost yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► there are a lot of people who thought I'm not going to go in for this cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► its gonna do it it's going to follow the desktop where it's gonna go to the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► you know a lot of them have given up on facebook to circle back to begin a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:28 ◼ ► is a perfect example where I think I think dr. berg had a a sort of come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6868">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► Jesus moment two years ago or so and saw that mobile was not gonna be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► web and that native apps really mattered and that they shifted a lot of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► development from like you know and they did a great job for html5 web use in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► native app they did a great job but that it wasn't good enough and that's when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► they went on this a choir during pre and hired in this white like this I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6897">TS</a>]
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01:55:30 ◼ ► to do and and he is repeatedly shown that he's willing to give up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► what seems to be right for him what he thought previously if new evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► presented itself and I find that very admirable yeah I totally agree I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► some of it too is that he has a good gut and I think for example hiring Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► Mathis and the other guys from push pop press couple years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6955">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► you know now who work there and they're the guys behind paper I think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:05 ◼ ► good thing you know that I you know that and another you know a choir he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6965">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► sofa was big mac indeed very very good design quality thing it wasn't cuz he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► wanted those products are one in new prices I want talent like this making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► apps for Facebook and that's more of a god thing then I have a specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► rational here's the thing I want them to bill not only because the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► makes them are often not rational the present like if they were rational that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► everyone would do them and which makes them more soluble fiber that I loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► your discussion of paper I haven't even heard you so excited like just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► giddy about a book about a product that is like getting out over you in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► time that I was like I i I found that that's absolutely delightful thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► enjoy it I got a raise but here it is thinking of Upton Sinclair it is yet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► and that's I think that often applies to like sort of the rank and file but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► think it's true for leaders as well you know and I you know let's listen young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► CEO right well let's name the obvious counterexample Steve Ballmer right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► how many times under his CEO ship did he change his mind I don't know maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► many maybe none I don't know not a big change like that you know and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► carry that Facebook being a young company in him being a young CEO I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► makes it even harder right because people are skeptical especially because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► you know Facebook got off to such a rough start you know their their stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► tanked like they were aware there's a ton of criticism you know in like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► more you natural human inclination is kinda wanna be a people pleaser in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► make investors happy and to retain the ability to be flexible and 22 in just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► the face of reality I find very very impressive and Evans had a post this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► week on some of the advantages that context of mobile but I think it applies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► to all apps army messaging was the context that he was talking about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► you know what are the advantages to mobile for message I think it applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► all apps but some of them are it's so much easier to get at photos because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7135">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► your photo library is right there on the device and there's an API that get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► wears on the desktop it was always a pain in the ass people had to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► because there is no central location for photos and you know especially for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► web browser you have to use like a weird upload form and expect the user to click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► a button and navigate to the photos in an open-air still an open dialog box and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► it just IMG underscored 0625 jpg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► right it was you know is a pain whereas now you go you know photo you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► know give this a permission your photos yes boom here's your photos and you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► the thumbnail previews and as I pointed out yesterday the other big thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► just it has access your photo library has access to your camera because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► device itself is your camera is your main camera and so if you want to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► new photo you don't even have the photo yet you can do it right there in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► you don't have to leave the app the app will let you take the picture right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:01 ◼ ► there that's desktop has nothing like that and I don't think the mobile I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7201">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► think it's unlikely that the mobile web is going with this is this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► really interesting but the Facebook and what's Happening I'm just too quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► conversation is remember a couple years ago hope Facebook was all about making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► everything public and Lake didn't follow you in the defaults to the public in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► there is a lot of outcry about it and they did that I think with a PC mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► where if you were going to post on Facebook from a PC by definition because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► it was such a relatively speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► pain in the ass to abort a photo you were only gonna post the best photos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► you're only gonna post you know things that you had thought about before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► through them up there and so it made sense if Facebook was thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:57 ◼ ► growth it made sense to kind of move from a just not just your private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7257">TS</a>]
02:01:01 ◼ ► network with being more of a almost like taking over the blog space right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7261">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► people there are people who face because like their blog like them they that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► where they broadcast they broadcast it is actually way more problems you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► think this is this is the way she uses Facebook when she falls a ton of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► who she doesn't know but who you use Facebook as a broadcast channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► what's interesting now is that actually what that did to the Facebook brand is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► it made it a brandy didn't trust like you were never sure if what you doin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► Facebook was private or not and that made it impossible for them to break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► into this messaging space in a meaningful way because that has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► what I'm saying my wife has to be private yeah there's a trust issue you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► know exactly I think I mentioned this a few weeks ago talking to but it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► a repeat but I think it's worth repeating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► is that as we work on sink for Vesper we thought about how are you gonna sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7315">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► and the easiest the easiest way for like a custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► you know if it's not going to be iCloud we don't have to sign it if it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► custom thing the easiest thing to do would be to use something like Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► and Twitter and sign in with Twitter and Facebook as in you know how to create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► new account and a new password and remember it you just say sign in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► Facebook and you go to Facebook and authorize this app bounce back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► app but we did you know obviously not scientific but did some casual polling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► of friends and family and it was almost unanimous that among especially among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► non-technical people they hate that especially Facebook because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► trust it that simple but they don't they don't pay day almost a try never to sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► into other apps with Facebook because they just assume that if they do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► unwanted stuff is gonna get posted to Facebook and now and it's it was a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► eye-opener that they don't see it as a convenience to having another site with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► they see that you know using your email address is better because they know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► they're the only ones who read their email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► was a real eye-opener they just don't trust it and not not like they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► trust it they don't use Facebook they just don't they just assume though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:34 ◼ ► know that Facebook is only safe for stuff that you assume will eventually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7414">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► made public so yeah it was interesting lately but that was a reasonable thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► for Facebook to do in the PC era because it was such a pain in the ass upwards to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► upload you have you had a chance to think before you put it stopped now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► right with the mobile area where everything is devices always with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7436">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► all the time like to to take pictures of post all kinds of stuff and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► what's up we'll never regretted Facebook like the biggest advantage of whatsapp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► is it's not called Facebook yeah I totally agree I think that's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:18 ◼ ► essential to it so let's go back to what what are the Microsoft options to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7458">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► apps software developed for Windows Phone so first was actually get people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:29 ◼ ► to developers to to really gauge right native apps for Windows Phone not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7469">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► happen I don't think second would be for web apps to really take off cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:38 ◼ ► platform and then they could just piggyback on Android and iOS as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7478">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► developers make weapons I don't think that's gonna happen which brings us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► number three which you written about Charles Arthur had a piece in The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► Guardian there is a counter argument by Peter break which is that going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7493">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► present this is the 22 ways of doing the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► Charles Arthur said with Microsoft should do is for Android pretty much an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► Amazon and just fork the open source version of Android Android and do their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► own Microsoft version of Android and replace all of the stuff that like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► you get a Google Play version of Android we're all Hawks up to default goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► Gmail and has chrome and Google sign in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► replace at all with Microsoft Services and you would get you know being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► and Windows Live email and all that now second version of the same argument is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:45 ◼ ► that and and there are rumors that Microsoft is actually the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7545">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► seems more like that which is that they should they can stick with Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► as the OS but have a runtime layered to run Android apps to me it's to its six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7555">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► of one half a dozen I think it's a little bit more likely that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:07 ◼ ► go the latter route because I think they would want to control I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► want to control the lower levels of the OS not that they wouldn't control an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► open-source Android for but that they they already habit they don't need a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► kernel it's the absence after what say you will first deserve a title like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► small point like my main question would be if they did like the latter option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► running Android apps on Windows with it you know I could run time for those abs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► I was the performance gonna be like that would be my main my main question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:49 ◼ ► course it's fine on a Windows 8 device that's has an Intel processor which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7609">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► massively more powerful than the ARM processors but you know any iPhone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7614">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► is has has that smaller prizes or is it gonna be performing that'd be my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:09 ◼ ► question yeah you never know I would get a quick dial in John Siracusa I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7629">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► because Android apps are fundamentally Java apps and I know that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:25 ◼ ► there's the whole lawsuit with Oracle and that they don't really use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7645">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► official job a trademark runtime have the dow their version then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► second one you know they have a new one that to replace dalvik [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7653">TS</a>]
02:07:36 ◼ ► but because Android itself doesn't run native apps it's your not emulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7656">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► you know all they need is a Pik Android emulator right right so my understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:53 ◼ ► I think you know with the way Java works that it I I think they get certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7673">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► technically feasible that they could be performant yeah that was ok was so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:07 ◼ ► let's assume that it is that that's probably the case that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7687">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► probably preferable for them you know that I imagine controlling the kernel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► important to them so regardless it would be a significant step so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► fair to those two together regardless in either case it's not a totally free once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► rightly it's not like the automatically get all the Android apps right cause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► Android apps depend on the Google Play Store and I'm relatively certain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► Google is not going to develop a version of the Play Store for Windows right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:52 ◼ ► don't need the developers taxi submit the apps to the Microsoft Store right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7732">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► and they're going to change a few API calls and things like that I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7737">TS</a>]
02:09:01 ◼ ► bright oversold in the article is the number of changes that developers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7741">TS</a>]
02:09:06 ◼ ► make but I think it actually would be relatively trivial arm from a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7746">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► selectively to support this new runtime if Windows Microsoft added it but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:20 ◼ ► fact is you're gonna have to go out and do that and there is a burden on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7760">TS</a>]
02:09:24 ◼ ► developers they have to maintain an additional like their meeting additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7764">TS</a>]
02:09:29 ◼ ► version of the out but that said if I'm going to developer and this is my job at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7769">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► Microsoft I did developer relations if you're going to develop parades a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:42 ◼ ► lot easier to say can you just change these couple of lines in the API and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7782">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► and you're gonna get upside from cells in new customers versus can you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► completely new app in a run time that you're not familiar with you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► to hire a new person and oh by the way we don't really have any good evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:08 ◼ ► of people making it big on this platform it's it's a Herculean effort and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7808">TS</a>]
02:10:18 ◼ ► know it was an hour to Windows 8 the run-up to an israeli we had a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7818">TS</a>]
02:10:25 ◼ ► story like saying like what Windows has all this potential and windows just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7825">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► cells are going to go as markets and we got a lot of good wins on board once it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► actually came out got a whole lot more difficult and just the degree of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:41 ◼ ► difficulty in talking to develop word to me makes it a no-brainer for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7841">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► here's my take and maybe I'm off base because this is meet speaking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► somebody whose lifelong persnickety user interface obsessive and which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7852">TS</a>]
02:11:00 ◼ ► main reason why I was never wavered from using a Mac even when Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7860">TS</a>]
02:11:08 ◼ ► trouble even when the machines you know where compared very poorly price for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7868">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► performance without question I have is never deluded about that and even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► the OS was really on shaky underpinnings and and face things like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:25 ◼ ► system locking up when the browser locked up because I liked couldn't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7885">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► couldn't bear gross interface of Windows even with Windows 95 98 it was just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:38 ◼ ► grossly designed to me I couldn't take it is that new Android apps running on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7898">TS</a>]
02:11:42 ◼ ► Windows Phone are never going to fit in right there you know it's like running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7902">TS</a>]
02:11:47 ◼ ► Windows app on Mac you know when you run parallels or something like that sure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7907">TS</a>]
02:11:51 ◼ ► works but it's gross right it doesn't fit it doesn't use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7911">TS</a>]
02:11:55 ◼ ► sharing you know when you go you know Android has its own way of sharing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7915">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► you know in advance one of the nice selling points of Android vs iOS is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:07 ◼ ► inter application sharing right you know and Windows has its own version but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7927">TS</a>]
02:12:13 ◼ ► they're different you know it's a mismatch you gonna it's gonna look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7933">TS</a>]
02:12:16 ◼ ► you're running an Android app on Windows and I i think thats now it might be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7936">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► I'm off based on that because all the people who care about stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► all using iPhones anyone know I think I'm getting there is something to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:29 ◼ ► doesn't mean the end of that point is the one area where that doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7949">TS</a>]
02:12:34 ◼ ► and where this might help is games because games it doesn't matter games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7954">TS</a>]
02:12:39 ◼ ► aren't really absurd don't use the you know the the sharing in the framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7959">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► and all that stuff doesn't matter the game's almost always have their own UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► flabby birds right would have worked perfectly so that you know it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:52 ◼ ► funny little example it's a stupid little thing wrong enough by next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7972">TS</a>]
02:12:55 ◼ ► probably forgot about flabby birds but that flabby birds was an example where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7975">TS</a>]
02:13:02 ◼ ► know if that's what kills it is it's tough exactly like blackbirds where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7982">TS</a>]
02:13:07 ◼ ► there is this thing out there and everyone hears about it and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7987">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► Windows Phone or you walk into Cisco or Cisco a Costco and you there's a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► posters on the walls downloader app but it says there's a icon for iOS Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:26 ◼ ► or Windows Phone wake it's just this constant kind of reinforcement that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8006">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► there is all wacked that is that is devastating and the problem is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:41 ◼ ► problem of the classic example is when the things that that people that's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8021">TS</a>]
02:13:47 ◼ ► to get about marketing in the way that black market advertising about our days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8027">TS</a>]
02:13:51 ◼ ► the way it works is their advertising a lot of ways is kinda like water running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8031">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► over limestone like it where is it down over like centuries and that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► have like mcdonald's ads all these high that's why you have the Kleenex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:06 ◼ ► coupon in every Sunday paper it's not that they're getting their reach her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8046">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► I anyone ad and that's why it's ok the Apple runs ads all the time it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► repetition repetition matters and the rapid addition of reminders that Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:25 ◼ ► Phone is in a meaningful platform like anyone examples find you to explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8065">TS</a>]
02:14:32 ◼ ► away but it's the repetition that kills it and and yet no I agree like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8072">TS</a>]
02:14:38 ◼ ► special on Windows I think the difference is magnified because Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8078">TS</a>]
02:14:42 ◼ ► met like the Metro environment is so different than Android in particular to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8082">TS</a>]
02:14:49 ◼ ► its credit as design was speaking as a designer you know in a largely praised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8089">TS</a>]
02:14:55 ◼ ► you know in it is original it is not a copy of iOS or Android yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8095">TS</a>]
02:15:01 ◼ ► different but that means the absurd stick out this I know that this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8101">TS</a>]
02:15:06 ◼ ► we've met at 11 concern I personally have its not shared widely so what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8106">TS</a>]
02:15:13 ◼ ► worth being a Microsoft I used a Windows Phone regularly I don't like it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8113">TS</a>]
02:15:21 ◼ ► it reviews very well in day-to-day use I found it frustrating but I might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8121">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► accepted there might be fantastic as everyone is reviewed it saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:31 ◼ ► great that's why I used a month I didn't like it better than a hundred yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8131">TS</a>]
02:15:43 ◼ ► I mean they are the strengths and weaknesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8143">TS</a>]
02:15:50 ◼ ► also ahead I thought it also suffered poorly from a density of information yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8150">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► you know that use these big friendly fire ants and big friendly things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8155">TS</a>]
02:16:01 ◼ ► reviews well it looks very friendly but then it ends up that you just see fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8161">TS</a>]
02:16:10 ◼ ► do as i cant stand like soft buttons and especially their goddamn search button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8170">TS</a>]
02:16:19 ◼ ► like every time I opened up any app that have a search function in there was both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8179">TS</a>]
02:16:24 ◼ ► a soft button for being and eight other button for search within the app like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8184">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► like it is hurt me maybe because I have iOS habits where I i used to assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:39 ◼ ► the save the bottom of the screen is safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8199">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► every time I've tried using for you know just four days but you know couple weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:45 ◼ ► at a time and on iOS device with soft buttons I truly console right by typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8205">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► because when I go to get the space underneath and then I have hit the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:57 ◼ ► button search or something you know I don't know whatever I have very media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8217">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► like ugly fingers in massive palms which means I just using the phone I triggered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► all the time the second time it happens it's the first time you think what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:16 ◼ ► the second time you wanna and yeah it's not just like a little annoyed yet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8236">TS</a>]
02:17:24 ◼ ► throw the phone and I don't know I guess because obviously people have phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8244">TS</a>]
02:17:29 ◼ ► that they haven't thrown against the wall haha for a long time so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8249">TS</a>]
02:17:32 ◼ ► people get used to I never did and I thought that was a mistake I don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8252">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► that Windows Phone copied the wrong thing there I agree that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► have gone I also don't like the ivory too long for the show can't get into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► I hate the whole back button initiative ignored that they were going to his like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► why the home but not all of us will never go away and anyone who says that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8273">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► they should get rid of it like doesn't doesn't groc yeah I agree it's a safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► exactly like you can always there to me it's the it's the Einstein quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:13 ◼ ► everything should be as simple as possible but not more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8293">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► or paraphrase or whatever but to me it quote it's genius because it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► quite have a logical meaning but to me what it means is don't take simplicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:27 ◼ ► you know too far I think we talked about it when we were talking about the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8307">TS</a>]
02:18:32 ◼ ► that you can make an app that literally has no buttons you know like to clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8312">TS</a>]
02:18:37 ◼ ► out the clear to do out but then it just feels almost like to me it's whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8317">TS</a>]
02:18:44 ◼ ► paper has almost no buttons but then when you wanna like post something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8324">TS</a>]
02:18:48 ◼ ► there's a button there that just says post an ad and it's exactly what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8328">TS</a>]
02:18:52 ◼ ► didn't take it too far so you can say that would be great have a phone with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8332">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► buttons and that would be amazing there's the old minimum and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8336">TS</a>]
02:19:00 ◼ ► imagine some kind of way that you could make a version of iOS the didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8340">TS</a>]
02:19:04 ◼ ► home button and then you have this order minimum nobody and you know what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8344">TS</a>]
02:19:10 ◼ ► too few buttons because people on that one but now I gestures I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8350">TS</a>]
02:19:18 ◼ ► gestures are only workable as a secondary interactions keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8358">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► shortcuts are all for power users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:25 ◼ ► everyone every everything other than single tap and one finger drag up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8365">TS</a>]
02:19:32 ◼ ► down is a power user future with Windows 8 beyond the beyond the way gluing two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8372">TS</a>]
02:19:39 ◼ ► interfaces that were totally different together like it was a gesture dependent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8379">TS</a>]
02:19:45 ◼ ► it was like delivering interface where the only arose was almost like returning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8385">TS</a>]
02:19:53 ◼ ► to the terminal at the only way around using the keyboard like you have to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8393">TS</a>]
02:19:58 ◼ ► the thing you can see and can point toward tete touch ya one thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8398">TS</a>]
02:20:04 ◼ ► never lost with iOS even with the redesign and I was seven is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8404">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► never need to do anything with more than one finger and you never need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:14 ◼ ► anything with more than one tap you can double tap to zoom in a web page but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8414">TS</a>]
02:20:17 ◼ ► you don't know that you'll be fine as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8417">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► pinching does take two fingers but its natural right people get it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:25 ◼ ► you make your figure it out and everything else is a thing you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8425">TS</a>]
02:20:30 ◼ ► on the screen and tap and so you know there's stuff like notification center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8430">TS</a>]
02:20:36 ◼ ► that you have to use it just an edge gesture from the side to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8436">TS</a>]
02:20:40 ◼ ► and the new control center from the bottom but you dont thats shortcuts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8440">TS</a>]
02:20:45 ◼ ► I swear I know there's so many people out there who can say that's not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8445">TS</a>]
02:20:48 ◼ ► power users and I'm telling you at some level it is because what you a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8448">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► people can still do is tap the home button go to Settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:57 ◼ ► go there isn't there's another way to do it right be slower than explicit way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8457">TS</a>]
02:21:01 ◼ ► this is why by the way I think so far is the worst of the new apps because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8461">TS</a>]
02:21:09 ◼ ► I definitely a power user and I still get confused about how to bring up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8469">TS</a>]
02:21:15 ◼ ► address bar in the command bar it's not obvious and it's not clear how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8475">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► and it's not as terribly could be touched on the muck around it will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► up but that's the weakness in it is that there is not an explicit path that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:34 ◼ ► always available to the user you ok with it on the iPad has a lot more explicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8494">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► their know exactly did I was funny that I was six to eight I think I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:46 ◼ ► far to minimize the chrome exactly exactly well in the big 12 me that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8506">TS</a>]
02:21:50 ◼ ► gets me and I've been using iOS 7 full time since July still gets me is iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8510">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► tabs because on the Mac there's a cloud button that brings down your list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:06 ◼ ► open tabs and other devices and on the iPad there's a cloud button that brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8526">TS</a>]
02:22:10 ◼ ► down list of your tabs on other devices but on the iPhone you have to hit the + [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8530">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► button to make a new window and then scroll down underneath all your windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:18 ◼ ► and in just magically they're hovering over your October desktop wallpaper is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8538">TS</a>]
02:22:25 ◼ ► the list of open taps well as other devices are kind of hard anyways yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8545">TS</a>]
02:22:32 ◼ ► but it's it's such a mismatch though to the way you get it from the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8552">TS</a>]
02:22:36 ◼ ► devices where there's a cloud button brings up the list as they're just there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8556">TS</a>]
02:22:41 ◼ ► floating underneath your taxes I i'm happy to agree with you that Safari on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8561">TS</a>]
02:22:47 ◼ ► could be a lot better when I don't know I still like it still think it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8567">TS</a>]
02:22:52 ◼ ► good I maybe I do question whether they've I I like the new tab in official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8572">TS</a>]
02:22:58 ◼ ► I love it actually yeah I question that chrome fighting yeah i know i I use I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8578">TS</a>]
02:23:07 ◼ ► switched to Safari as I used chrome on Mac Alan Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8587">TS</a>]
02:23:13 ◼ ► new Safari on iOS devices one it's faster but to the III don't find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8593">TS</a>]
02:23:24 ◼ ► chrome interface retrieve you are confusing interviews there is a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8604">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► nother one right there so it's a mess in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:32 ◼ ► all right let's wrap it up so do anything about the Android Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8612">TS</a>]
02:23:37 ◼ ► running Android apps here's my I think it would help with games I definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8617">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► would help with games but then what's the point where I don't know that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:48 ◼ ► solves any problem for them know I completely agree the problem is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8628">TS</a>]
02:23:51 ◼ ► Microsoft's not going to make money in licensing vos right that's never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8631">TS</a>]
02:23:57 ◼ ► 99% sure what you just wrote that looked a whole go to the bottom line the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8637">TS</a>]
02:24:02 ◼ ► line the whole reason they made Windows Phone in the first place or call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8642">TS</a>]
02:24:05 ◼ ► Windows Mobile whatever is on the assumption that they could licensed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8645">TS</a>]
02:24:08 ◼ ► to OEM for 10 bucks right that's the whole reason exists is will make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8648">TS</a>]
02:24:14 ◼ ► phones will run it will license it for 10 bucks a pop and they'll be a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8654">TS</a>]
02:24:18 ◼ ► of them and then we'll have ten billion dollars and guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8658">TS</a>]
02:24:21 ◼ ► Android took all the air out of that we're like the licensing value of an OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8661">TS</a>]
02:24:25 ◼ ► is like $2 ya know exactly i mean it's whatever the patent fees they paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8665">TS</a>]
02:24:32 ◼ ► Microsoft right and you're competing against and and in in and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8672">TS</a>]
02:24:37 ◼ ► thing too is in its a big difference and I think it to blame was a blind but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8677">TS</a>]
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02:24:48 ◼ ► china for example where they use the the open source version of Android where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy5olEs/8688">TS</a>]
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