The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► how r America pretty good how are you have a bit of a cold and want to [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► complain now i've i've been half sick for about three weeks it's one of those [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► annoying things that everybody has we're like there's no one day where it's [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► really bad you guys feel kind of shitty for like three weeks right and the whole [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► family is gone so hopefully I won't be too sniffly gross on the show and take a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► little and take a little cold medicine doesn't doesn't sound like cold [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► medicines I usually take it and I can man I have never done this before we're [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► attempting a sort of a double-double and deficit ever actually gonna split into [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► two opposite things I really do want to talk to you about this week but I also [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► thought you know with all the big deal that got made out of the max thirtieth [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► anniversary that I you know whoever had fun we could talk about that but maybe [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► you're I don't know maybe you're the best person to talk about that with [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► because you're a relatively you know you weren't longtime Mac user [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► I'm only 31 Syracuse and I started talking about that though I worry that [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► it would be like six episodes will then there you go [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► and if it's gonna take him two weeks to prepare for that we could do like a 90 [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► minute episode just done resin it you don't even remember resident there was [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► somebody did eventually make a Windows program with that same name that I think [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► the same thing but I i kno of it I use the Windows version but who cares but [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► yeah I dunno gateway drug [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► it was a gateway drug to hacking your system you know and and [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► it was the equivalent at the time of waco be showing the package contents of [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► a nap and going in and you know like so for example if you wanted to change the [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► toolbar icons in any app you can show package contents on the adopt . app [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► bundle find the resources in there and they're just image files replace them [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► with the image files of your choice and then the next time you launch the app if [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► you did it right you'll have your own custom toolbar icons or something like [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► that in in the classic Mac you didn't have a bundle in the file system [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► resources where it was the whole thing where there were two forks to a file and [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the resource for was where well Redknapp would have all of its like icons and [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► see that was back in the days when Apple could actually do creative things with [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► how the file system worked where they didn't have to worry that much about [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► Windows compatibility cuz it was compatible anyway and there was a lot of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► network transfer going on and there is now that they can't do anything like [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► that now they can't you know they they have to keep their file system as simple [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► and stupid as least common denominator gonna find out there in the world which [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► includes server file systems network file systems Windows compact flash cards [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► all that stuff and that they had like they can't do that kind of [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► experimentation we're like they have they have they have at their senate [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► attributed now but those are but you can see how about those reported as a [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► real-life example of why they can't do much else with that [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► and I remember it was when it when did you get your first I came in in 2004 as [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► I I just graduated from college I got my first jobs was a little bit of money and [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► I need a new computer cause my my PCs were agent quickly and I had never owned [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► a laptop before that except for like one awful when I bought off ebay for like a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► hundred bucks that lasted a summer but I never really under every laptop and I [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► don't remember there is there is a story that still exists I think called [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► Microcenter chain of computer sales stores and yes I in Columbus that was [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► like the best place to go to my friends and I would go there like every weekend [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► is like look around and maybe like by some CDRs or something maybe [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► occasionally some kind of cheap peripheral but nothing really major and [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► we know he stopped and little Mack room is the max had a look at an enclosed [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► glass area like when you go into going to Best Buy doesn't like the Bose room [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► like that but for them for like you know they gotta keep the max isolated over [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► here so they don't get the rest the computer sick and so we go in there and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► we've played this game like art fair to figure something out on the Mac so we'd [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► we'd all sit down and one on her and stable who can figure out how to open [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the CD ROM Drive and like two and we'd be sitting there like staring at the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► computer pushing various buns no one figures out how to open the CD ROM Drive [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► in like the guy comes over obviously like we were just some jerky teenagers [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► in there with his big side like it's the button on the keyboard anyway so I [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► always knew max from from that really you know I i've really know anyone who [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► had won and the ones that that they were growing up work terrible his they were [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► all like you know the mid-nineties maksud nobody liked I wouldn't say that [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► I still like them it's it's really that I I think it gets over stayed in and so [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► how bad the nineties max work I think the problem is that [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► there were definitely some performance to price issues where where and that's [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► where this whole it's it's stuck with Apple ever since that Apple is computers [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► are overpriced you're paying for the brand etcetera etcetera and if you just [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► ran benchmarks it was you know like two grand Mac was almost certainly going to [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► be slower than it to Grand PC probably slower than like $1500 PC and maybe get [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► a price is wrong because God computers used to be so expensive [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► oh yeah I mean my first computer in 1994 was $2,500 and pretty pretty mid-range [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► it wasn't like a super high and it was pretty mid-range PC I think more or less [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► we have now in the nineties was that that the Mac loss in needed to be such a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► lot better than the commodity when tell machines of the day and it no longer was [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it was better it was certainly still more elegant there in terms of the way [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► the OS was designed conceptually not at the low level you know the way the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► webpage could lock up your whole system i mean that was terrible I mean that's [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► really where that that's one of the that's the other problem they probably [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► had a hardware got slow and the OS was I get a GED level outdated and it mattered [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► to users even you know that that the geeky stuff was so outdated because it [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► affected the real world performance you know it so you don't have to understand [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► cars at all to understand that when you get gas it should go faster and if you [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► hit gas in your car just turned off which is sort of like with the Mac had [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► it you know I don't necessarily think that's exclusive to the Mac though i [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► mean the the mid and late nineties [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► actually a pretty terrible time for PCs as well i mean that that was a time when [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► you know Ram was still very scarce and expensive hard drives of course we're [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► very very slow at the same time this was when browsing the web is really becoming [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► a big thing and so you had this this pretty resource-intensive common task [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► for the first time in awhile you know games it was pushed to have a little bit [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► you know games [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► ok I'm pretty much anything in their settings but your web browser like [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► browsing the web you can't turn that down and make it less intensive and and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► that was you know the webbrowser moving very quickly you're getting things like [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► inline images JavaScript tables frames all this new stuff that was making [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► rendering the page [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► much more complicated and take much more memory and so when memory was still very [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► scarce than you have the operating systems being you know really pushing [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this is like in the PCR this is Windows 98 Windows 95 these were not good [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► operating systems by any means and and certainly not very advanced it like they [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► were still very rudimentary with how to manage their memory what they could [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► tolerate how they used hardware there was not a lot of video acceleration so [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► lots more things are falling on these very slow CPUs and so there's all this [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► all this drain being put on the system's multitasking was getting more and more [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► common as more people are getting more comfortable with computers they were [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► able to more on so they were pushing the RAM even further I mean pretty much [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► anything you would do on a PC in the nineties the hard drive will be grinding [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► away trying to take everything back into RAM from whatever you were done recently [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► as they were just never enough RAM and harddrive lighter always blinking on 90 [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► species like the sound of computing in the nineties was that like grinding hard [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► drive access sound that was it [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► modem you ever get because that was the first time where you have unlimited [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► dial-up 444 instead of having to pay only three dollars an hour so it was it [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► was a pretty bad time for all computers really have it was exciting that we are [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► making progress [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► us on the internet and stuff to do with the computers but it took the hardware a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► long time to get a lot of headroom and and like any other thousands we got that [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► rammed are really cheap CPUs got his big boom when I am disturbed really [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► competing with Intel in a meaningful way it was really great for awhile there I [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► the other thing that struck me with all the thirty-year original Mac nostalgia [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► is is and it's a cliche to some degree to just you know obsess over how just [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► how you know the the whole thing like you know that everybody's cell phone has [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► more computing power than the entire Apollo project of NASA sixties you know [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► a single life from his badge more computing power than every computer nasa [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► something like that I don't know but it really is true and you think back to the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► you know specially the eighties but even then nineties just how ridiculously [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► resource-constrained the machines were compared to today so chris says Panozzo [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► zike Apple employee number eight think something like that is ridiculously low [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► employee number and has been employed at Apple continuously ever since this is [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► the only one who's been employed continuously yes it's all about the only [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► problem is I was officially I believe is always been an Apple employee well [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► that's kind of shake but was has you know he's like you know this job title [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► is why was you know I don't know if we can get into an Apple building [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► yeah I think Espinoza is the only person who's actually like worked non-stop on [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► real projects ever since we need almost ridiculous that anybody including him as [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► I mean it's preposterous he was like he was 16 years old or something like that [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► when he started he got like so like if he if he does stayed even like a [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► reasonable retirement age you know sixties or something like that he'll [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► he'll have been there like an impossible to break record time because he started [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► when he was 16 yeah that's that's pretty crazy lol me at this point like why [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► leave you know if he's made it this far I think that's why the i think is he [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► loves it you know I think that he really you know he just lives and breathes you [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► know I don't know him that well I've met him a few times only to be too BC you [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► know but you know it's the impression you get from in from the stories that [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► have been published from the old days is you know he's your prototypical Apple [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► engineer you know sort of person who loves obsessing over making something [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► really nice and you know going the extra mile to do it anyway he tweeted though [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► something to the effect of you know the original Mac the 1984 matter we're [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► celebrating the 30th anniversary had a hundred and twenty eight kilobytes of [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► RAM and so that's not even enough I think he said like it would be enough to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► fit to find her icons from the Mac OS 10.9 and and gagged from my contractor [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► is like a good fit any they're bigger than that now you couldn't even fit a [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► single icon in the RAM on an original Mac the entire operating system [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► everything [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► was everything using an app you know launching a nap and using the app and [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► having documents open and all the contents from the documents are and all [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► of that was less memory than the Finder uses just throwing icon yeah I mean like [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► when we so when I think of my podcast I have to have this giant set of shell [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► script that I use to are as much as possible and if the final files encoded [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► on the command line with the lame encoder and there's a limit of hundred [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► and twenty eight kilobyte or how big the artwork files can be and that's [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► surprisingly hard to hit like I had a really crappy quality down to just [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► barely fit this one image that isn't even a complex barely fit as one image [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► into the amount of entire RAM the first Mac it's just ridiculous and then even [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► you know the next and Moore's law applied in all sorts of ways you know [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► from Mike probably like the NEX maybe not quite two decades but least the next [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► 15 years like from 1984 through around 2,000 where processor speeds doubles [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► every 18 months hard drives Dumbledore wasn't even hard drives originally was [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► floppies but you know your storage space doubled pretty quickly ran like what's [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► what's a typical configured with four RAM doubled every couple years but even [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► at that pace like the first Mac iPhone was 1991 when I went to college and it [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► was a Mac LCD with four megs of RAM and a 40 gig hard drive [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► keg [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► I swear in hindsight like half of my time using a machine was spent trying to [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► manage that forty megabytes of hard drive space like figure out what I could [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► believe what I would move to floppies and how I'd label the floppies so I [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► could you know her back to the whatever it was again it was all I ever did we [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► see everything and anything like this for PCs was we had a thing called disc [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► dubler yeah where they just like basically does it was a compression on [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► the disc that there were all sorts of things like that and they were always [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► like you always hear stories of people losing everything because messed up and [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► I couldn't read it I of course bought it and installed it I think I bought it may [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► be a pirate I don't know but pretty sure I bought it because it seemed like it [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► was so important that I really I wanted to be sure is getting a legit copy of [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► course I ran it and it was true it did maybe it wasn't quite double but it was [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► very very close to the effective volume of eighty megabytes and it just felt so [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► spacious and I never I never had a catastrophic problem with it but I knew [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► that there are other people who did and in hindsight I wanna go back and just [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► strangle myself nineteen or twenty year old self who did it because it seems [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► like the dumbest possible thing you could ever install and that was also [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► most people I mean you think today nobody has backups it was way worse you [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► could you write another 40 make hard drive to serve as I could clone of some [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► sort of my dry wood was like wasn't even possible as I used 2004 terabyte [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► external drive today for a hundred and fifty bucks [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► was there were an external drives there wasn't four terabytes they would [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► certainly 150 but it wasn't even your only option was to copy the keys that [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► was it that was the only realistic option that any consumer I mean you know [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► businesses and servers were probably have tape drives that point but but [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► consumers wouldn't you know your only option was pleased as a college student [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► in the first half of the nineties I actually sweated the price of floppy [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► disks yeah right and I knew enough I was I was smart enough to know that didn't [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► matter too much what you know [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► paying for name-brand floppies will you know floppies in general suck period you [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► know you're asking for trouble if your only copy of data was on a flight B C [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you can you can get more for your money but just by noname brand floppies and I [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► don't think it was you know I don't think you're really any worse for it but [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► it just by like 10 packs of a man on a typical you know like a typical college [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► student I was spent most of college like knowing which ATM machines I could use [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► to take $10 out instead of 20 because they re at 1700 [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► spin off lucky exactly go out but I and and then like when when company started [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► giving out poppies for like promotions I mean people mock and still to this day [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► aol for handing out floppy disks like like cotton candy it was great because [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► then you could take a min for Madame in and use them for yourself and I needed [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► or sometimes you have to actually punched a hole in the corner of 22 [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► market is writable right right I remember that we're going to take over [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► always present it was only to get to take over the whole something appealing [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► masking tape of course great idea putting that into it just destroyed but [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► yes of course we all do that used to be this is so ridiculous the Mac I think it [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► was even so and system 7 when I had my formatting a floppy disk I think even [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► find her copies was system model when you're covering something to a floppy [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► it was you had to wait everything had to wait even if you had a couple apps open [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► he would wait even just to switch to another appt until the Copy Wizard yeah [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► I mean I denied my first few years of computing run Windows 3.1 and and I [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► don't think it was it wasn't quite that bad I think you could technically switch [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► apps but everything else be so slow you would you wouldn't really want to [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► yeah I mean it was computing was so incredibly prehistoric if so rudimentary [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► back then and really we've come a long way I mean you know I used to always [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► wonder you know I would think like 10 years ago what back when I was in in the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► nineties before ahead internet access at all I had a computer for like three [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► years before ever having a nexus what the heck did I do all day on a guy I [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► remember spending hours on it but once you have the internet and in like you [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► know if the internet goes out at your house and you know so sleepy for [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► smartphones are you didn't just have an easy backup if the internet goes out of [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► this computer like this is useless and looking back I was out there like what [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the heck do I do all day but you know when you think a little more critically [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► actually I wasn't doing that much everything just took forever yeah that's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► true that is very true everything to God Almighty I feel like if you if you time [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► travel back to that infuriate you wouldn't like having a [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► it would take my take months and maybe never to get acclimated everything and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► everything in his tiny kind of 14 inch CRT monitor there was and it was really [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► nice at the time I mean just and we've come so long and now I'm bitching about [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► my 30 inch monitor not being high resolution enough original manhattan [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► dine in style and it was by some measures really really nice for the time [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► because [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► it because it was black and white square pixels instead of rectangular pixels [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► which is actually what a lot of sorties in the eighties used it was like lines [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► were thinner and pixels are smaller and everything was crisper than on the [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► displays we're used to before it but nine inches dangles tiny I mean you're [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► talking smaller other night Petsmart and iPad is something that you said that you [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► know arms like a lot of people look back and you know we've seen a lot of this [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► with a Mac anniversary but but not as much as I would expect a lot of people [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► look back on previous eras of of technology or living in 2000 out [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► everything was so great and reliable and simple back then and I've never had that [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► kind of nostalgia I don't care at all about old computers old technology I [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► look back on it with like flight contempt like I can't believe these [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► things suck in ways X Y and Z like I like when a couple years ago [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► all these all these sites like mixtape started in a bunch of us I came up to [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► like to use the cassette tape the audio cassette tape as some kind of like hip [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► metaphor for music [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► activity of some sort or sharing and I hated cassette tapes they were terrible [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► but there it was a terrible terrible medium in every possible way I don't [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► want to relive those days ever [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► floppy disk same thing floppy disks were awful in every possible way even at the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► time everyone knew they were awful now everyone knows they're awful in 10 more [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► arcades gonna like Federer shiz floppy disk into the code is so cool so analog [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► kind of like it's gonna be a thing somebody tweeted today got my start [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► retweeted I was I got hurt in it so it showed up like six times in my replies [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► but it was a comic somebody drew [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► you wear an adult was showing a child a floppy disk and the child says cool you [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► made a 3d model of the save icon I guess the other thing though that really [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► stands out and I and I think it's why this thirtieth anniversary of the Mac [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► thing resonated so strongly is that the technology was so bad [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► everything was slow and everything was so constrained that like you said in [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► some ways it's not a lot of nostalgia we're at we're like you might want if [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► you're into wristwatches buying like dented one from the sixties like 50 year [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► old watches they're still great time pieces right there still today just [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► great in like an old car maybe a little bit less so in terms of a lot of the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► details but there's a reason people still collect old cars like my my [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► father-in-law had the seventy-seven Corvette and they they retired they [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► moved upstate and we had in our garage for a few months trying to sell it and I [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► had to move it a few times and he came out a few times when the driver to [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► various places and there's appeal for a lot of people of classic cars and I was [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like oh my god this thing is a death trap and it has no features the heat [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► sucks it doesn't run that reliably like oh my god what like why would anybody [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► want this even that I have I have no nostalgia for that maybe you have a good [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► point there may be it may be old cars are more like old computers were you [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► think the Bears in this town but then when you actually get into it it's it's [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► actually like unpleasant I had a friend who was in the old cars and he like an [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► old Ford Falcon and when we drive around it [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► its first you think it's pretty cool but then you get out and like you realize [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► you smell like gasoline it might give myself cancer but yeah I'm here and [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► you're sitting there in like this [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► aluminum can of it's like everything so thin and small compared to modern giant [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► boat cars it's it's [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► it it's not as good as you remember why I bought when I was when I was growing [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► up I was always a single guy and then when the Saturn came out I couldn't [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► afford it was $400 that was a ton for console in like 95014 came out and said [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► I never got a Saturn and then later like at the end of college years later when [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► they were really dirt cheap on ebay I'm finally got my Saturn this is gonna be [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► great I bias Adam of the few games and it's just terrible I get such a major [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► disappointment and part of that is because the Saturn sucked and so did not [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► know who I am part let the Saturn sucks the other part of it was like you know [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it was looking back on this old era of technology where I was hoping it would [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► be amazing in modern times in by modern context it wasn't even close I was to be [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► a cig I wonder how much of that it's it's obvious topic but the whole [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► nintendo's should make iOS games at least somehow get involved with these [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► devices are nicer to be so bright and then that he intended guys you know tell [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you how you're wrong [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► to the understanding me but I wonder I wonder I never really thought about it [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► but the fact that in the end that like any s era and I guess what was the one [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► that was more the rival to the Genesis wasn't the NES was it wasn't the worst [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► kind of overlap the time many yes [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► yet it the Genesis came out a few a couple years before the Super Nintendo [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► there was a period of time with the with the NES Nintendo came out and did a few [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► things better than it was it was kind of weirdly overlap I was a Genesis Genesis [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► yeah me too but that was like that was my first experience of like being a [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► fanboy you know like man I like I bought this thing is my cousins but this thing [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and I like them so I bought the same one they bought and I'm thinking I'm cool [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and then like Street Fighter two comes out on Super Nintendo only minimally [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► had to defend myself so much yeah it was it was a terrible time anyway the thing [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that really stinks sorry about the original Mac in hindsight is how clearly [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that team that made it got it [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► whereby it is still guide Apple to this day which is a complete capitulation if [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you're going to say you know that this metaphor is how the user's prevented [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► with the system with this computer [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► make it complete right there was no you know like in the early years of windows [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► were you booted you really rebooting and das remember used to type win the launch [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► Windows that there was nothing like that there was no command line right the [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► first thing you saw when you needed the machine up in 1984 which is in in this [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► blew people away is instead of seeing like terminal text on the screen as you [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► saw a smiling Mac you saw a picture of the computer itself smiling at you while [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► you know why you waited four minutes for it to boot up that they totally got it [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► and and it's amazing given those ridiculous constraints a hundred and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► twenty eight kilobytes of ran into the only storage being floppy disk write a [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► nearly 800 K floppy disks they weren't even double density high density [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► whatever they were called it's amazing how much of the stuff they did is still [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► around on the Mac today right [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► Apple menu top left File Edit View window I think there is a window switch [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► between us but it's like the basic idea in the basic idea of how the menu bar [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► works you know they got it in 1984 I think you know part of the reason why [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► they were able to do that to have this kind of cohesion and and attention to [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► detail that is nice polished 1.0 which I'm sure you know of course it wasn't [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► perfect but it was it was yes you're right it was a very cohesive nice [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► package together [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► ur and part of the reason that was possible [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► is because at the time the problem set for what a personal computer had to do [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► was very very small and and and of course they added a lot to that list [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► with with this product but whatever it was it was still a very young simple [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► industry and I think you can look at a very clear parallel with the first [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► iPhone where they had a hundred and twenty eight megabytes of memory and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► cram everything possible into that nobody thought was possible and you know [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the first iPhone it also added a bunch of things to what phones were expected [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► to do but it entered a very young market still a market that Apple was able to to [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► help reshape and really drive that reshaping especially at first and so but [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► the only reason they were able to do that is because the problem set of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► things smartphones had to do in 2007 was very small and very young and very [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► simple relative to where it is today so we're never gonna see another desktop or [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► phone operating system or or major new hardware platform that launches with [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► that amount of cohesion again these industries are to mature in a league [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► we're never going to see that again I do that's a pretty good analogy I think you [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► know the original Mac to the original iPhone and then 128 numbers just happy [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► coincidence but in both cases the idea and and the the conceptual design of the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► user experience was years ahead of the hardware being capable of truly [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► fulfilling it I think the Mac was a lot further behind you know it took a lot [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► longer for the hardware to truly catch up with the Mac but even then I think by [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► the late eighties it kind of caught up but [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► with the iPhone I would say I don't know probably with the iPhone four Runner I [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► would say the 3G S with was the first great iPhone and the first two were [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► really not bad they they they were they couldn't do as much by by the end of the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► 3G you're starting to feel like you know I could really use a faster CPU hear ya [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► the 3G S and three Jess's what went to 256 right around I think I think it did [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► at least made at least had a much better now it definitely went more RAM yeah ok [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► so it had more room at a much faster CPU and that was a massive improvement I [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► mean that I would say the three Jess was like was really the first truly awesome [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► easy iPhone the didn't have a major performances that the 424 wasn't as [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► great as you remember in practice Lee number how how slow the camera was too [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► long and after shutters and especially late seem like overtime with software [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► update to keep getting worse yet the iPhone 4 camera was very very slow the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► home button had tons of failures and flaws antennagate was was a minor [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► problem for some people the proximity sensor was a big problem for a lot of [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► people there like the iPhone 4 which is funny cause all the crap forgot for the [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► antennagate thing when the proximity sensor and the slow camera and the dying [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► home buns were actually way worse I agree with all of that I just thinking [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► more in terms of that it's always seemed to me that once the four came out that [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► iOS was always sort of it heart it wanted a Retina screen that it was it [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► you know that they technically couldn't do it in 2007 but that it it really felt [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► like finally the iPhone as a resolution it always because they were so [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► just because of the devices are small there was always just like that the time [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► rendered in the status bar it was it's so tiny that on the retina devices it's [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► really kind of hard to read if you know it's like you kind of have to it helps [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► Aug usually have a good idea basically what time it is but you know telling an [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► eight across from a zero or something like that it was super super smudgy [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► because it was so tiny yeah I guess I don't know why I think I was thinking [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► more in terms though to avoid just RAM and CPU speed you know the one thing [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► that really stood out to me in hindsight after you know you're too later when we [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► had faster iPhones was if I took my old original iPhone out on the wifi not but [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► wifi and loaded a web page how long it took to render the page because it [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► wasn't the networking it was the actual computation of rendering of you know the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► front page of the New York Times and it would take like 20 30 seconds still way [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► better than browsing in the nineties right but it was sort of a throwback to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► that where you are you know you know you gotta forgot how just how complex it is [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► surrender a web page on how we used to you know even when you were developing [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► websites locally where you weren't even waiting on the network at all that it [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► would a relatively complex complex page took a lot of time to render and even [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► that we didn't get past that even on desktops until maybe 2006 I mean that [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► was like there was a while when I i mean on my first Mac that the PowerBook g4 04 [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► I remember having to load the Newegg website was very complex layout tons of [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► element on the page that like certain sites ahead very complex layouts would [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► slow the browser to a crawl writers and they would they would take they would [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► even take like no ten fifteen seconds of like beach balling to render page a very [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► common page / tonight because it was like graphically rich intensive but just [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► because you know it had so many comments [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► and it was rendered hierarchically you know with threatening that it it just [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► choked as it as it went down the parse tree I mean if you think about it and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► parsing isn't even the problem the problem is is the incredible amount of [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► dynamic layout and flexibility you can achieve now with CSS if you think about [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► what like on a computer science level what has to happen to render pay these [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► days and it is crazy how much computation goes into that because of [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► how advanced our Web languages are how advanced CSS and HTML are now and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► JavaScript which throws everything for a liberal everything changes call time in [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► its its crazy how complicated modern websites are to render and our hardware [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► now does it so quickly it like we are in such a great Asia computer now where we [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► pretty much only ever waiting on the network I agree with them and I feel [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► like that somewhere along the line that's where I iOS devices of sort of [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► caught up maybe they're not quite there yet but they're very close and and and [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► once we once the whole industry has mostly completed the transition to SSDs [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► in PCs I think that will that will kinda close that door for a long time that the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► kind of local performance bad days did you notice as his DS are thousands of [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► times faster than hard drives and and in the ways that matter like and random [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► random access which is hard drives kept getting faster over the years but it was [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► mostly in sequential transfers it wasn't really in a random access nearly as much [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and that's what matters a lot more and it doesn't matter you can't they don't [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► go to sleep or stop spinning and then you have to wait for the spin back up [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► exactly exactly so yeah I I think the SSD turned into the last the last major [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► league modern computer performance bottleneck in sight right now and yeah [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► I'm sure in India five or 10 years something that we think is commonplace [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► today will seem completely archaic and slow but I think the SSD turn this is [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► going to carry us for a long time [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► me take a break into our first sponsor [TS]

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00:37:26 ◼   ► courses right now and you think well there's two thousand of them a bunch of [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► them probably junk now it all like it's the fact that they've been doing it for [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► so long that this big library of content and they have so many experts but [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► everything is made to really high standards [TS]

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00:37:49 ◼   ► always wanted to learn more about the stuff you can do in terminal they have [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► great content with that objective see similar to iOS developer been more just [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► how do you learn the language and for the flip side from or design oriented [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► stuff user experience design techniques for iOS great stuff like that they have [TS]

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00:39:32 ◼   ► period so my thanks to lynda.com go check them out and and learn some stuff [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► actually there earlier this evening I they they sponsor our show as well and [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► so I went to check it out and they was watching this great day on on logic and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► editing the podcast and managing the dynamics compressors and everything it [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► was really really good I was I was you know they had like the diagrams and the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► animations in the graphs everything I was very impressed [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► talk about like someone has been a they've been around long I remember the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► lynda.com booth at Macworld New York Macworld Expo New York twice a year [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► the lynda.com booth was just want just absolutely packed with because it was [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► like the late nineties and everybody was a graphic designer [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► you know realize they had to learn how to do web design to stay relevant in the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► industry and it was just like gangbusters business of New York [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► designers who went to Macworld buying her stuff brake stuff at me in in a few [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► more years when PHP finally stops being useful to me on on the web and I have to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► learn anything else I've never done as much as always been sort of hobby for me [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► but I wrote my own link shortener the DAF for when you look at during fall [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► fireball Twitter account the DAF four-dot us' URLs are all my own little [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► homemade system and bring Simmons was asking me about it yesterday and it made [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► me think about it and it's one of those things where I forget when I wrote it [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► must be like 2008 2009 couple of years now it's quite a few mostly just runs [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► but when I wrote it and there's a whole bunch of people like everything I read [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► it sort of Goldberg contraption between movable type in this other stand-alone [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► thing but at da four-dot USA it's just a little standalone web service that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► doesn't actually create a short URLs it just redirects them to the right URL [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► adaran fireball done [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► and at the time I thought I wanted to learn Ruby has at least curious about [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► Ruby and so I realize rails was overkill for what should be a simple couple [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► hundred line thing total and those and other free markets a lot smaller and get [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► my model of how programming works better called sinatra [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► sinatra that's for Ruby yeah I have heard of it I I assumed it was Python [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► but yeah you can tell how how in touch I am with any of these things which is [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► really sad I really should know more you know and it's like a simple little thing [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► where you you you know you run your little sinatra programming to rate these [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► handlers to take the URLs that pattern match the URLs and then whenever it [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► matches one of your patterns it then it dispatches to where you tell it to go [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► and I had a good enough time doing it and I thought you know it worked well [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► enough but then it's like I never did anything else in Sinatra or Ruby and now [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► it's like if I wanted to go back and do something with it like I have to start [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► all over from scratch I have 50 memory of how it actually works [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► right now we're in we're in this kind of terrible adolescent period between major [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► web language areas where you know like three or four years ago I would have [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► said yeah use PHP Python Ruby no problem you know and I'd say probably use Python [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► first Ruby second PHP third and has a PhD program and they were all very [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► mature very stable very easy to use nothing na most important they were [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► boring you could you could set it up and not have to worry that like the bleeding [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► edge beta version of the server that you set it up with is out of date in two [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► weeks and you know you set it up with the intention of touching every four [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► years and so that's kind of incompatible with that but now if you if you would [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► learn when those languages today it's kind of like well you know that kinda [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► like learning C++ today that you can do it and there are jobs out there for it [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► but you're kind of learning the past and you know that that might get a date [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► pretty soon [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► and so now I call the new cool stuff like node and some of the other cool [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► stuff going on it you could tell this is the next generation progressing as as we [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► speak and you could tell I in five years [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► telling people in all likelihood yes you should learn node and is now it really [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► easy and stable jobs for it makes me feel ya I'd like but between now and [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► then it's like that it's all these new things are still very very young their [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► tools a very young they're running the stupid beta everything and it changes [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► every two weeks and there's new frameworks as a billion frameworks to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► choose from you don't know which ones gonna quote win a format war like you [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► don't know what you should be investing your time and and and and you could you [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► know it's it's easy to say especially especially for the younger programmers [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► like if you're just going to college so it's easy to learn all of them who cares [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► but there is a lot of value in mastering something and like learning the deaths [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► every detail of a language in a framework to really be very advanced in [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► that thing and so right now if you want to start down that path of mastering [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► something there is no clear choice of what that should be I think it's [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► interesting to that web programming has changed a lot more in a shorter period [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► of time than native desktop and then my desktop I mean PC or mobile but native [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► app development because native apps in the old days be written in C or an [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► American was passing out but Pascal Morency words you know conceptually very [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► very similar where you could speak one you'd at least understand the code of [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the other [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► ur and then when everything went object oriented C++ one out and people rode on [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► a Mac power plant was the C++ framework that a lot of apps use it was funny [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► because it can even come from Apple it came from third-party Metro works that [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► made the top compiler which is tells you it's another sign of how bad a shape [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► apples in the nineties where they sort of lost control of the to torture by on [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► merits you know that they got beaten out by Bio Products third-party product that [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► was just better than what they had in the wind 16 and when I don't know when [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► sixteen was object oriented but when 32 is a lot of C++ right yeah it's it's [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► weird windows that would only see I was in C++ it was CEO AP I have always been [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► kind of a disaster because Microsoft would always come out like every three [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► years they would change what the new cool thing is that you're supposed to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► use but then they themselves are never use it and so was it and I kept changing [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► because no one ever caught on and it was always a disaster and then you know [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► there's job which never got bitten on the Mac but I don't know how much [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► windows software was written on may be commercially not much but in the [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► enterprise certainly a lot i think i think is is and always has been WAY [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► bigger on servers then anywhere and desktop and mobile sources I mean back [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► in the early days of terrible cell phones the the java mobile stuff and [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► brew which i think was based on job that was that had some foothold but not [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► strong you know and and next steps / Coco you know is not that it's unchanged [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► since 1989 but it's still Objective C and the language has added features over [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► time but [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► whatever ass like it to be too BC when I mean like an old-school next developer I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► have asked them you know if you time travel back to like your nineteen ninety [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► self who was writing then brand-new next platform and showed them code from an [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► iPhone app would would it be four million be there always say yes [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there'd be a couple of things it be like a head-scratcher but for the most part [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► it would be like wow this is really cool them you know futures trade on this [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► platform that it it was clearly the same sort of Philosophy in mind set to the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► API's to fight that whereas web programming has changed so much I mean I [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► remember writing my first CGI program I wrote in C [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► compiling CGI's in late 1995 and then pearl was really took off just because [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► you don't have to compile code you could just save a text file and execute but it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► went from CGI PHP which was wildly different maybe not linguistically but [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► conceptually it was read of actual executable code in the pages that they [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► had just died I think it's undergone you know told all totally unfamiliar to what [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► you knew before changes every 34 years I think part of it and certainly you know [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► you're you're right but you know you can have your PHP programmer and you look at [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► Python Ruby you can pretty much figure out what's going on like it's not it's [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► not so radically different it's just different function names a few different [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► syntax things a few different capabilities but not massively so [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► especially pipe yet [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► famously I mean it's even like part of the design behind it is that it's [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► supposed to look like [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► pseudocode exactly but if you you know I think I think we're where things are [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► very clearly going partly out of just advancement and partly out of harbor [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► necessity where things are very clearly going as concurrency and all the modern [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► languages we have for web programming so far the easiest the big established ones [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► have not been great deal with concurrency and its way worse in PHP [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► others so and I said I fully admit that it because it's based PC basically says [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► what's concurrency we don't support that but when you're designing a language for [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► a hardware environment where processor speeds have pretty much stopped getting [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► faster you know that they're making incremental improvements but it's no [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► longer a doubling in single core performance not even close right I mean [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► look at the Mac Pro believe we've improved the encore performance and my [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► 10% in three years and it's terrible so and he's like the best CPU has to offer [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► so you know the design of a language changes dramatically once concurrency at [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► the hardware level is a big thing that has to be considered from the beginning [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and not just something you can add weight or something something that only [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the advances have to do this and this is not something that every a pass to do [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► and apples on a very good job adding it to the desktop and mobile stuff with [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► with the GCD it's been awesome he said he is a fantastic API and there's [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► there's still some some room to to go on that in regards to getting Coco apps [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► making making them make better use of multiple threads multiple cores but she [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► goes a long way it's really good [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► whereas in the web world we're still in the very early days of the transition [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► very very early and most of all I'm just don't do it well and so that's going to [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► be the thing where when you make a major shift like for me to learn something [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► that's not PHP that's what's gonna do it it's not some syntactical sugar that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► ruby has they don't care about its gonna be great concurrent his support and you [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► can have to sign language like that with that in mind from beginning yeah it's I [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► think it's fundamentally just that there's a deer solving a different [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► problem that need the prob the native code is always had the dark their eyes [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► on the right price which is getting this thing to run as well as possible on this [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► machine for this user right [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► whereas the problem that web software is trying to solve is very different and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► it's not just concurrency in the sense of that's the way it tells you know that [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► if you want to take advantage of gotta be able to go across quarters because [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► the you know the clock like you said the clock speed isn't getting faster and [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► more but really it's like that you wanna wrap if it gets popular to be able to [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► handle the most people with the least hardware exactly and yeah hardware is [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► very cheap these days but when you start talking about quote web-scale things get [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► expensive pretty quickly if you have if you have an app on the App Store that [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► gets you know couple downloads a day you're not gonna notice on your servers [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► any kind of major cause problems but if you if you run something that gets [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► popular then you're gonna start having to spend thousands of dollars a month on [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► servers and that's going to add up quickly answered this stuff really [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► starts to matter actually you're probably thinking about recently on with [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► what I was an iPhone app you might have that my stuff soon yeah I don't even [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► want to be secretive about it but but I just don't want to speak on behalf of [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► bread but yeah definitely we've given a lot of thought in terms of how how [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that's going to work I'm a changed everything especially before I'm facing [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the costly because I haven't launched this thing yet and I have no clue what [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► might cause you're gonna be I have absolutely no clue I have a server [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► running for like six months in a test environment but I have no idea when they [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► release it how popular is going to be and what is going to actually use on the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► servers but it's going to matter a lot and and you have you have installed a so [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► far so you know with Vesper you know when we have sex many users probably you [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► know X percent of them are going to enable sync in the first place and then [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► we can kind of expect this this fall you well here's a good example of what we [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► don't know just a simple question [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► is what how many how many notes that Vesper users use have photos attached [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► because that's actually going to depending on the answer to that would [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► significantly increase our storage right because the neck the notes that are [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► mostly text even if if let's just say for example we came out with a Mac [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► version where you would be even more easily be able to type longer notes text [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► is written it compresses so its taxes not going to be a storage problem but [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► photos could be you know because a photo is at least a megabyte or so just try to [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► ballpark number could be a huge difference depending you know if that's [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► where users store a lot of photos we don't know you know me by now once we [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► have sinking yeah and you know there's also there is no other bottlenecks are [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► going to be you know like I've written this entire sink method that I have no [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► idea if it's a terrible idea or not like I think I think it's reasonably decent [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► but I can point to like it like the main section but you know I feel alot of [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► database records to make this happened and maybe that's gonna bite me it's I [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► don't know it is a very different development cycle is Brent's doing all [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► the development and it's it's funny because it's just a we've been talking [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► about like writing actual iPhone brent was doing what he's been doing for the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► last twelve thirteen years or so which is writing you know Coco code and you [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► know obviously the API's on I was seven or a lot different than the API's for [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► Mac OS 10 points to whatever was out when [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► Newswires shipped but it's a he feels like he's on it on that degree he's on a [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► continuum and he's doing the same thing but just staying on the leading edge [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► over and over again whereas the the backend code for the sync server is like [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► nothing he's ever written before not that he hasn't written back in code [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► before it's just that it changes often oh yeah and and again I can not be able [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► to predict what kind of usage and what kind of low to my kind of cost you're [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► gonna see from that makes it very very stressful and when you launch it you [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► know it possible if you have to buy your own hardware it's even worse where you [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► know you might launch with one server and and realize you need five or you [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► might lunch with five and realize you need half of one and nobody likes your [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► app so it's very very hardly the stuff is launching launching a modern AB / [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► service and I think that line is is pretty safely blurred these days it's [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► way more complicated than just making one that has to run on one kind of phone [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► and I said yeah and it's a mystery to because you're writing native code for a [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► device as you go you get to a certain point there still like a scaffolding [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► period where like there's nothing to even see and then it got to a point [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► where brent could share with me and Dave and we could try it and then I got a [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► daily basis we could you know critique certain things we could ignore certain [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► things that we knew where he just hadn't gotten to yet but you can kind of see it [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► coming together and you know you know as it progresses you see what this is [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► definitely going to work this is gonna work that's not gonna work look this [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► idea we had to do this for you swipe left or right it doesn't it at this time [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► it's confusing and then you backed out whereas when you're wondering about [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► scale you know you don't know until you unleash the hounds [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► thats I'm it's like we have to have this fixed 10 minutes ago like you there's no [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► time like once you launch if you're having a scheduling problem especially [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► if your problem is you to scale up if that's your problem then you don't have [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► a lot of time to like a let's rewrite this entire sync engine to work this [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► completely different way or let's swap out this entire back and component [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► because it turns out you know we need to use a three-year ready to get off s3 or [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► something like that you know there's these big decisions are much harder to [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► do after you've launched but you don't know that you have to do until after [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► you've launched its kinda screwed either way you can have to deal with this [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► launch might be bumpy I'm facing never actually ship over guys how close you [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► gettin I'm almost ready for a beta I am i I was going through this every talk [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► solicitor emailing right now please don't I yeah I have my god I've had so [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► many and it's very it's very flattering million requests [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► problem is I have a hundred UDID sluts writing project for your own devices [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► yeah and so yeah like I I'm probably not gonna make the beta and you know if I [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► want to do a beta before it actually shifted in the store you know if [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► everyone do that for press people have to leave room for them so there goes [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► like another 10 slots and we ran out of a branch we we forget what we're going [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► to do but we it's almost like I like what I said like when I had a LCD with a [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► 40 megabyte hard drive and I spend half my time [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► clear things up like us trying to clear up device IDs like you delete them and [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► they actually got deleted a year later right where you can only do your trash [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► once a year [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► think carefully the early wanna do it now I don't think people realize that [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► but it is crazy every I think a lot of people know there's a hundred device [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► limit to developer beta you do know device IDs I don't know a lot of people [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► realize though that only gets reset 12 year [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► yeah and and it's the rules of Canada it's very unclear least used to be it's [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► very unclear as to when that what happened to a well I'll get I get [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► another you know sixty devices back sometime around this two-month period I [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► forget exactly what data will happen on there's nowhere to see that and it's far [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► better now but but it's still if you if you delete a device that doesn't make [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► room for somebody else it might in the future [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► at the moment it doesn't use device it's it's remark [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► it's a real problem and it's like something that like iOS developers [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► amongst themselves never shut up about because it never it's never ending his [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► iPad count Count across the limit [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► and most people who beta test at least at least the ones we have are people who [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► are just like me and you get a new iPhone every year every time there's a [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► new iPhone or iPad launch at this massive pile of emails from test flight [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► saying all these people to leave the device was implanted device and you get [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► an update your records and Bernama slots some more right hand so much easier like [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► forever development of ingesting why don't why doesn't apple just tired to [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► Apple IDs say a hundred Apple IDs instead of a hundred rate that would be [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► amazing that alone would would would get me to shut up about it because it would [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► solve the problem [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► totally effectively you get it really more like a limit of 40 people if [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► they're if most of them are gonna get a new iPhone every year and then if you're [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► going to do universal with iPhone and iPad you're talking about sort of like [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► 25 30 at the tops if they're gonna go through both an iPad and iPhone and [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► maybe a new iPhone let alone you know me I go through I have two new iPads and no [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► one knew I patty year and the new iPhone [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► even even for the test I'm beta testing an app now for iPad and my primary iPad [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► is a mini so I gave him that you the idea that I got the app me you know I [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► actually would like more screen space for this app I wish I could test it on [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► my wife's error but I can't go out and give them that you dat and I'm not going [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► to the bathroom so please burn another one so you know but like I like none of [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► this is the best testing could be none of this is set up for good quality easy [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► interaction at all it's it's all incredibly rudimentary and hostile and [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► it's a lot of ways and iOS development has gotten better over the years in [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► terms of managing some of that stuff and stuff but the limit the device limited [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► hasn't changed at all and it's it's more of a problem now than it was when it [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► happened because [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► because of the iPad and I think it's totally reasonable that you do you know [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► if if a tester has both an iPad air in an iPad Mini you'd want them using both [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► to make sure everything you know is sized comfortably for both you know if [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► it's a really good tester make them on an iPad 3 be able to run only on the [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► edge case devices that might show different problems when he ran on [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► written the device and I read the device you know if you if you're gonna have [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► somebody actively testing beyond just like I let me try out the app can I want [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► to be cool and get it get it in time you want them to test it on many different [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► devices [TS]

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01:04:35 ◼   ► engineers it's not some kind of like Windows service and then there's also a [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► Mac Lion and it all feels kind of weird and gross it looks and feels like [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► something that should have you know arguably maybe even should come from [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► Apple it's so good and it feels totally right front only native on mac including [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► maverick support there's no add-ons there's no gimmicks is no additional [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► charges it's not a good thing where you go there and there's something for $5 a [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► month but to make it work the way you want it to you really ought to pay $25 a [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► month or something like that [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► know you pay $5 per month [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► you get unlimited backup we were just talking earlier about how people [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► couldn't back up in the old this but there's so many people who don't back up [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► now if you're not using something that backs up your whole tribe you're not [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► your whole match your not because it eventually your drives gonna [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► $5 a month you will sleep so much better knowing that you've got back please [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► backing up all your data it's like the best $5 a month you can spend what do [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► you do find out more I you know how do they know you're coming here is the [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► track willing www.pakheaven.com / daring fire opal it's not the talk show its def [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► / during fireball at a link that they're tying into a decade or something like [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► that or during fireball sponsorship use that URL and don't know you're coming [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► from the show and if you haven't tried it yet you're not I can recommend this [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► service [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► wholeheartedly I wish I could buy it for all of you because it makes the world a [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► better place when iMac is being backed up to back please get some much needed [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► maybe I do get a lot of people gonna take you up on the way no serious about [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► buying $45 a month by yourself it's so cheap that ridiculous I would I i mean [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► that sincerely not just because they're sponsoring [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► the show I i $5 a month for back please [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► is is easily the best I can imagine how you get more for your money for $5 I [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► can't imagine it's great you know and I I've used for years my computer computer [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► I have many I think I have three terabytes of total data in there between [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► our computers it's like terabytes and you know you have time machine locally [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► and definitely do that for that we have like you know fast whole drive recovery [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► time machine locally and then the other [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► the question as well machine my only backup then what happens if either [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► there's some bug and I gets corrupted or I'm sure everyone has ever used time [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► machine has had a problem where sometimes Time Machine kind of flakes [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► out and decides that it can backup your disc anymore they keep saying that the [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► space even though it does the solution often is your time machine drive and [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► start over but then you create this window during which you have a backup [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► and like what if your hard drive dies during that window then you're screwed [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► Ryan Murphy's Law will tell you that your machine is a lot more likely to die [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► in that way you know your hard drive like well yeah you're all of a sudden [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► you're your hard drive it's been gently used every day are now asking it to read [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► its entire content straight through so that's gonna have a lot of activity and [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► maybe that will accelerate and there's the whole off-site issue right now [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► you've got a backup that is not in your house and that means your house gets [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► robbed there's a fire power surge right I years ago we had a previous apartment [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► we had a bedroom where there was like a water leak above the ceiling and a big [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► part of the ceiling [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► you know fell through and water came dripping down and there were many [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► computers underneath but first thing I thought when I saw it when you know we [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► realize what happened is [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► it was a perfectly logical place to put a desk and a computer in that better if [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► we just didn't have the computer computers in their room but if we had [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► put computers in that room it would have been right over the where the computer [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► when I mean if you have a combination of a local drive for fast easy recovered a [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► time machine and then a cloud backup service that that's a fantastic [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► combination look pretty much any condition and I have tried multiple [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► cloud backup services and back plz of the one that I keep it off site is key [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► because that's that's what makes you sleep makes me sleep where they could [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► happen you know [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► forget your keys are locked out of your house while back please you could just [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► moved to a new house burn down the old one [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► what else is going on well as in the news [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► earnings crap but I don't care do you [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► really starting to bore me feel like because they've gotten bigger it's [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► learning stuff is boring and it's worth I took a look and just to make sure [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► there weren't any surprises and there weren't so you know I'm pretty much done [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► why I think the earnings earnings were briefly newsworthy during that like two [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► or three year period where they were growing insanely right [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► years ago yeah it really was because it was just phenomenal twenty-something [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► thirty-something right forty-something percent growth in recent years in there [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► were there was like 50 percent year over your iPhone chairs cell growth but even [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► then even during those years where the earnings numbers themselves works were [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► very exciting even then the resulting news of that happening was like you know [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► be great news [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► like it really wasn't that interesting only the top Apple watchers really give [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► a crap about that over the top finance people really give a crap about that [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► even during the exciting finance times now we're entering a period where [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► Apple's fans are much less interesting because they're just you aren't having [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► those massive respect anymore now it's more incremental and and so it's even [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► less exciting to people just following the news [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► yeah I think so too I guess there's a little bit of news they came out it's [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► that Apple at least to some degree confirmed that the five Si was a little [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► bit of a disappointment and that the 5s was a little bit more popular than they [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► expected that they they're they're predicted mix was a little bit more [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► balance and that the actual demand was a lot heavier in favor of the 5s right [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► that it's like the news there is this phone that none of you care about turns [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► out no one else really care that much about either well but the thing is I [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► don't think it's worth writing off the five see at all and I think I saw some [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► people on Twitter saying it's clearly a flop etcetera etcetera to me and it's [TS]

01:11:39 ◼   ► not a flood warning it's all yeah it is it is boring and it's all written from [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► the perspective that it's it's more of a change that really is from previous [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► years where they sold the last year's top of the line iPhone and $100 less cuz [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► that's what it is it's the iPhone $500 less but it also has a different has a [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► plastic case instead of a mental case but it you know it every every other way [TS]

01:12:07 ◼   ► it's exactly an iPhone which is exactly what Apple has done ever since the 3G s [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► when did you first start moving them down when I believe it was 3G s right [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► that we came out three just became a three just came out they kept the 3G [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► well did they keep the 3G [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► was one of them was you the 3G or 3G s but ever since they've done that and I [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► think the mix has always been you know in the quarter of the new iPhone comes [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► out heavily in favor of the new because all of the enthusiasts who want a new [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► iPhone when its new get it then [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► if you're going to get a new iPhone it doesn't make any sense to buy it other [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► than if you really care about the the device it doesn't make any sense to buy [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► it except when it first comes out because you know you're gonna get a new [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► one every year white why wait and then the next three quarters after that the [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► balance comes down you know and and that's measured by active set average [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► selling price the average selling prices always way higher in the quarter when [TS]

01:13:14 ◼   ► the new one comes out and then it goes down the next three until the next one [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► comes so the next three quarters or when the five see is supposed to sell better [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► because that's when the people buying iPhones or more you know just people [TS]

01:13:28 ◼   ► regular people whose I guess I'll buy an iPhone I think the most interesting part [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► of the most since I think we can get from the five see probably not selling [TS]

01:13:40 ◼   ► any better than the previous quote old iPhones is that people weren't really [TS]

01:13:46 ◼   ► fooled like the five see seem like an attempt by Apple to make the old iPhone [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► cooler than just it being the old iPhone and it they tried to you know put the [TS]

01:13:59 ◼   ► iPhone a new suit and call another new model when in reality the public was not [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► fooled the public knew that this is not really the new one the public knew what [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► the new one was way beyond nerves this went this you know this when it's in [TS]

01:14:14 ◼   ► regular people regular people knew that the new iPhone had the fingerprint [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► sensor and was this cool new still metal one and this plastic one was not the new [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► iPhone and so they weren't fooled ik wasn't it continued selling as a [TS]

01:14:30 ◼   ► lower-end model but very few people I think bought one as you know thinking [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► they're getting the new [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► clearly some people were remember somebody telling me that they were in [TS]

01:14:44 ◼   ► like a coffee shop in there that guy in front of them waiting in line [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► guy was like telling a girl who was standing next to he had a five see and [TS]

01:14:52 ◼   ► he was like yeah don't be a dummy its exact same thing and $100 cheaper you [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► know he was acting like he was like attacking you know he's actually wrong [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► it is $100 cheaper but it's not the exact same [TS]

01:15:05 ◼   ► and and you know i i think we nerds tend to assume that regular buyers are less [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► savvy than they really are and you know there's there are people like that [TS]

01:15:17 ◼   ► certainly but I think the numbers speak for themselves that at least in the [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► relatively high end market that all iPhone sittin relative to all phones [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► globally you know this is still a fairly high end segments within a high-end [TS]

01:15:32 ◼   ► segment overall people were not fooled in a major way [TS]

01:15:35 ◼   ► overall people still know what the new iPhone is and they still want the new [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► one if they if they ever wanted to do in the past days they still want what's [TS]

01:15:45 ◼   ► really the new one this time and you know and if they were people who bought [TS]

01:15:50 ◼   ► the five see more and people who buy the five see probably would have also bought [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► the five if they kept at around you know as the old phone this year when asked if [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► he'd lean and mean to me the most is the numbers don't really mattered that the [TS]

01:16:06 ◼   ► dollar's don't matter that much you know revenues a little profits were flat as [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► margins are down a little bit [TS]

01:16:16 ◼   ► but still you know compared to all of its competitors are would-be competitors [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► way higher margins think now that Samsung had kind of a weak quarter that [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► all the analysts are going to have to make small phones no I don't think so we [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► should save that I did save them for the next show a big screen phone because I [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► think that's a long topic but I don't think the endless gonna say that I think [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► that everybody has it in their head that Apple needs to make a big phone but yet [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► never it never has occurred and they've never said it to me now that you know [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► Samsung had a bomb quarter but all the other Android makers who have been [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► losing money nobody's ever said well why don't they do you know make a phone like [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► the iPhone since the iPhone is the most profitable and best single best-selling [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► smartphone on the market do you think Samsung can innovate any more [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► information is dead I don't know how bad was there quarter I didn't see the [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► details of it I was I mean I don't think it was like a single-digit percentage [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► decline or something like that it wasn't it wasn't like a major problem but it [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► was like it was their first down quarter in years [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► you know and I don't know just it's funny i mean i i always I don't take the [TS]

01:17:42 ◼   ► news about Samsung and Apple too seriously because it's to me it's just [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► humorous it watching everybody fall over themselves trying to make terrible you [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► know fake analyst predictions and watching everyone try to be an analyst [TS]

01:17:56 ◼   ► and watching even half of the real analysts make terrible predictions and [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► transl company I mean this is like this is like half your business writers like [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► telling you know seeing all these people who think they know what these big tech [TS]

01:18:12 ◼   ► companies should do because they're reading the same news everybody else [TS]

01:18:16 ◼   ► the basic problem though is it Samsung and Apple of both run into its with [TS]

01:18:20 ◼   ► phones is that [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► not that we've run out of that they've run out of new customers but they're [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► getting pretty close to running out where there's not this huge untapped [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► market of people who a might be interested in a 56 $700 smartphone and [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► be actually have five six hundred dollars to spend on a smartphone right [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► its peak oil it's like we've we're we're slowing down the rate at which these [TS]

01:18:52 ◼   ► companies can find new customers that are profitable and and you know and they [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► can reach with good economics and good products you know there's always gonna [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► be this is massive amount of people in the world who are very willing to buy [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► these phones if they can pay a lot less for them because they can't pay more and [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► that's always going to exist but you know you're not going to see these [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► massive profit rises from companies try to address market that have very very [TS]

01:19:19 ◼   ► thin margins and and you know big volumes no profit that's always gonna be [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► a challenge and so I think we've reached a peak brick smartphone customers if [TS]

01:19:30 ◼   ► that makes any sense at all [TS]

01:19:31 ◼   ► yeah and not again it's like you said with peak oil where oil production still [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► goes up but it's like it's like it it's hard enough to reach it that it's the [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► go-go days are over [TS]

01:19:44 ◼   ► exact there's no way to get double-digit especially high double-digit growth [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► anymore cuz its people too many of Mari have the phones are into Europe's great [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► cycles other thing I saw mentioned [TS]

01:19:58 ◼   ► was that you S iPhone sales were actually down year over year it was it [TS]

01:20:04 ◼   ► was made up the the overall six or seven percent growth was made up outside the [TS]

01:20:09 ◼   ► us- and that Tim Cook attributed it to carrier changes which is more or less [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► basically that all the major us' carriers now make you wait the full 24 [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► months of your contract before they'll up after you upgrade pricing yet that [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► has to her [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► yeah but like i think is that now but now that they're all there it'll it'll [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► work out going forward because everybody's on the same cycle and [TS]

01:20:38 ◼   ► they'll be upgrading every two years although I'm not sure that that actually [TS]

01:20:42 ◼   ► makes sense because if I think the argument against that was that people [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► used to a lot of people more people were upgrading quicker than 24 months whether [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► it was every 12 months when the phones came out or like eighteen months or [TS]

01:20:55 ◼   ► something like that I think at least in the USA for a while the average was 18 [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► months has a lot of people would upgrade early cuz you do you get either a half [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► or full subsidy even at eighteen months they would just cannot tell you they [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► would never happen to you yet because they want to keep going but you can get [TS]

01:21:12 ◼   ► an earlier a lot of people also lose or break or dropped her phone in the toilet [TS]

01:21:16 ◼   ► and so they have to get new ones [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► earlier and so you know a lot of times the policies would allow a bit of a [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► discount before then and yet now the cares of tighten those down so the [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► average used to be 18 months and now I'm going to get its gonna go up by a few [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► yeah I think definitely but that's only with no citations there's evidence that [TS]

01:21:38 ◼   ► could be completely wrong could have been thirteen months it could have been [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► just like in Ohio or something I have no idea I keep my notes as well yeah I [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► think the average selling price for an iPhone this past quarter was $637 in the [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► average selling price for an iPad was somewhere else [TS]

01:21:56 ◼   ► which is interesting in the context of the show I did last week with multiple [TS]

01:22:01 ◼   ► we're talking about iPad camera and how it's everybody's you know not everybody [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► but so many people are using their iPads as as a major camera or their their [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► favorite camera you know that's the kid that's what they take out on vacation to [TS]

01:22:17 ◼   ► take snapshots and that I wish I hope that Apple can somehow managed to get [TS]

01:22:24 ◼   ► the top of the line camera from the iPhone into the iPad either this year or [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► next year but maybe they can't because only the iPhone which sells at a [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► significantly higher price right if it's 402 637 that's like one point over 1.5 [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► times the average price so there's a lot more room in the average price of an [TS]

01:22:54 ◼   ► iPhone especially the high-end models which are above the average selling [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► price the five that there's a lot more room to put a leading-edge technology [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► camera in there then on the iPad oh yeah and in you know the difference in these [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► sensors it might be like either $25 or $45 for the camera thing but you know [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► you would think they should just put that in the iPad cuz they have all their [TS]

01:23:20 ◼   ► room but you know all these component differences at up pretty quickly and [TS]

01:23:25 ◼   ► disorder affecting that margin number and you'll see any didn't didn't the [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► stock take a hit from today's results of any 8 percent of the time but now that [TS]

01:23:36 ◼   ► we're recording who knows it could be right could be more could be less but [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► you know the there's a lot of pressure from the finance side of things to keep [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► that percentage margin that that gross margin percentage of what is it like 37 [TS]

01:23:50 ◼   ► percent or something like that I don't even know finance stuff but there's a [TS]

01:23:54 ◼   ► lot of pressure to keep that where it is or get it bigger and this quarter went [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► down slightly and I bet that's gonna hurt a little bit and you know Apple has [TS]

01:24:04 ◼   ► to Apple's kinda squeeze on all sides of this kind of stuff they [TS]

01:24:08 ◼   ► their shareholders and the board probably want them to keep that number [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► pretty healthy but the whole rest of the market is saying we want things cheaper [TS]

01:24:17 ◼   ► we want things better there's all this competition has making things cheaper [TS]

01:24:20 ◼   ► and better in a lot of cases and so they're really kind of squeeze on both [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► sides there and it's it's it's tough position with that like I think there I [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► think you're always gonna see Apple struggling to hit that balance optimally [TS]

01:24:32 ◼   ► and we're not going to like what they have to do to hit or the financial [TS]

01:24:36 ◼   ► market like that to do it right and i think that there was you know what gives [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► me hope is the way that the iPad Mini went redmond this year rather than next [TS]

01:24:49 ◼   ► year which is what I had expected a year ago and that it you know it's totally [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► caught up its on the 87 it's you know what it's like five percent under clock [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► compared to the air but you know for all intents and purposes they're the exact [TS]

01:25:05 ◼   ► same iPad just two different sized screens display and that to me is really [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► impressive and that's the sort of same efficiency that that if I'm right or if [TS]

01:25:18 ◼   ► my wishes correct that they can get like maybe next year [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► get the iPads to use the same camera as the iPhone sex or whatever they're gonna [TS]

01:25:29 ◼   ► call it would be the same type of movie would be a pleasant surprise but I don't [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► think it's something that people should hold their breath for the issue of [TS]

01:25:39 ◼   ► darkness where your physical room concerns also with especially with the [TS]

01:25:44 ◼   ► many actually I think isn't the air filter them any way they're probably [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► closed so yeah there's there's also depth concerns because you know one of [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► the ways to make one of the easiest ways to make camera's bigger is to make a [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► larger sensor which is larger optics which has to be further away exactly i [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► mean there's there's some tricks you can pull a distance but not many and not [TS]

01:26:10 ◼   ► many that won't hurt the image quality noticeably and so there's [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► there's always going to be a battle between device thickness and camera [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► quality but you also have a discussion for I wonder if I wonder if you went out [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► and and just went to like a carrier does it question and never thought about this [TS]

01:26:25 ◼   ► before any dues went to like Verizon store and looked at every Android and [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► and Windows Phone smartphone that they're selling how many of them have [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► like a bomb for the camera at a lot of it it's got to be most has to be his [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► only one time she always have a bump of some kind whether it's just for the [TS]

01:26:49 ◼   ► camera lens and it's sort of like oh or it's like half the back of it is it [TS]

01:26:55 ◼   ► different than the other [TS]

01:26:56 ◼   ► yeah it's that's been as far as I mean we're the two worst people on the road [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► talk about this but as far as I know that's been like standard Android for [TS]

01:27:09 ◼   ► years now [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► pretty sure I saw an Android phone once I'm seeing someone to an AT&T store two [TS]

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01:28:15 ◼   ► fahrenheit vs celsius I think I did on a talk show once but I'll get that extra [TS]

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01:28:51 ◼   ► before they had fractures a sponsor and they did a thing where they were sending [TS]

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01:30:12 ◼   ► to five inches by 5 inches are there is a rectangle version that if things for [TS]

01:30:15 ◼   ► by six something like that and their small size is great for app icons and so [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► I have on my wall my office this row of three app icons of the apps I've worked [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► on Instapaper the magazine and overcast all in a row hang up my law kind of like [TS]

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01:30:47 ◼   ► don't they don't cut corners for you although they do have a custom option [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► look into but but you know these things look great and it was a good great way [TS]

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01:31:00 ◼   ► the corners at a rate cut the dough to retain the machine Seven Corners change [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► so don't don't cut corners [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► second Apple thing to do to change that shape but just to be a dick to everyone [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► is fantastic let me give you my rent subsidies for sure [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► fahrenheit I I won't argue in favor of Imperial measures whatever you want to [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► call them in general the the you know in general the metric system is superior [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► because of the logical you know everything's scale bothered [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► but fahrenheit I will argue for and fahrenheit is a scale of 0 to 100 0 and [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► it's all based on temperature like a weather temperature zero degrees [TS]

01:31:51 ◼   ► Fahrenheit is freezing your fuckin ass off its like the most you get a human [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► being can typical human can bear outside and a hundred is unbearably hot 02 a [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► hundred super ass called super ass hot set Celsius scale of 0 is freezing point [TS]

01:32:13 ◼   ► of water and hundreds boiling [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► gives you ship who gives a shit about what temperature water boils at when [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► you're talking about the weather fahrenheit makes so much more sense in [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► Celsius degree burns and was doing the show is doing a show at Dannon and [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► Danone I got my rant about this when do you always say boy you're gonna get [TS]

01:32:35 ◼   ► email I'll tell you what we got email so you got email cuz everybody outside tus [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► rate I'm telling you you're wrong [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► celsius is well and they're both not based on absolute zero and so I feel [TS]

01:32:50 ◼   ► like you know 44 expressing the temperature of the weather of the air I [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► agree I think fahrenheit makes more sense and you know it's not it's not [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► that 0 it it's not that you're gonna die below 0 or die above a hundred [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► fahrenheit you just you know you will see these extremes in your life if you [TS]

01:33:08 ◼   ► live somewhere normal but you know you you don't really want to be there [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► you want to be inside with with the climate control at that point whereas [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► celsius yet like zero is kind of cold and a hundred is you're dead right and [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► you died a long time ago actually had so it felt like negative 3 Celsius [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► negatives 3 Celsius is a few degrees below water freezing so it's you know [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► it's must be I don't know I'm not gonna look this up but it must be sleep what [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► we would call something in the high twenties fahrenheit probably [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► or somewhere in the twenties so that's cold but it's not crazy cold it's not [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► like a walk my dog and 00 yeah you're not gonna get hurt outside and that when [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► it's negative three fahrenheit you're gonna get hurt you you you might get [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► frostbite oh yeah come in below 10 I don't really go outside when its above a [TS]

01:34:06 ◼   ► hundred degrees Fahrenheit you got a you know like all your grandfather and make [TS]

01:34:10 ◼   ► sure that he's still alive because I feel like you know because neither of [TS]

01:34:18 ◼   ► them were based on absolute zero they both have this kind of arbitrary 0.14% [TS]

01:34:24 ◼   ► you can say well it's a lot easier when working with computers and science [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► teacher at the Metro stuff because of their nice evenly divisible increments [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► and stuff like that but temperature it seems like the only true temperature [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► measuring the teacher to work with Abby Calvin and if you're gonna like if [TS]

01:34:43 ◼   ► you're arguing for the sake of well celsius is better for science or [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► something not really I Calvin would be the the one that would be there for [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► science and computation [TS]

01:34:54 ◼   ► you want the 10 actually is zero in a meaningful way [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► and you know not basing his weird arbitrary midsection of of actual [TS]

01:35:02 ◼   ► temperatures so I would say celsius 'as is equally stupid as fahrenheit I don't [TS]

01:35:09 ◼   ► I wouldn't see either of them are necessarily overall better I would say [TS]

01:35:12 ◼   ► celsius he was stupid now fahrenheit is brilliant fahrenheit is a perfect scale [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► for human temperate weather temperatures air temperatures cause you act yeah [TS]

01:35:21 ◼   ► actually I can see the effort here for the temperature of the weather air yeah [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► I agree fahrenheit makes more sense there twenty degrees Celsius in [TS]

01:35:31 ◼   ► Fahrenheit what is that lets see 23 Celsius [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► like 50 or something right 66 ranges in at 68 and then 29 degrees Fahrenheit or [TS]

01:35:43 ◼   ► 29 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit is 84 that's totally different it's so whether [TS]

01:35:50 ◼   ► you're talking two totally different days whereas in Fahrenheit you could say [TS]

01:35:54 ◼   ► well what's it like today well it's in the seventies then you know what i mean [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► it means of beautiful and it doesn't matter if it's 7278 two beautiful day if [TS]

01:36:06 ◼   ► you know it's between 22 and 27 other this is of course why when you and I [TS]

01:36:14 ◼   ► travel internationally probably set the thermostat some ridiculous temperature I [TS]

01:36:21 ◼   ► i I don't know if it's because it's called the Intercontinental or if it was [TS]

01:36:28 ◼   ► just that the gas before me happened to do it and that made up the room I [TS]

01:36:33 ◼   ► remember one time for WBC it stayed at the InterContinental in San Francisco I [TS]

01:36:36 ◼   ► came in the room and it check the thermostat and it was twenty something [TS]

01:36:41 ◼   ► and I thought you know debonair world traveler that I am well that's fine and [TS]

01:36:48 ◼   ► you know stash my bag and went out [TS]

01:36:52 ◼   ► had some dinner and had a couple drinks got back to the room ready to sleep [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► ready to get a good night's rest for the WBC keno the next morning and woke up [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► with like the night sweats and I was like something bad that I drink too much [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► i dont wanna do that before the keynote and that's why I gotta go get some water [TS]

01:37:12 ◼   ► and then I go and check the thermostat and I find the button and then I'm blind [TS]

01:37:18 ◼   ► in the night cause I don't know my contact center find my glasses checked [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► the thermostat and I like find the button that convert Celsius to [TS]

01:37:25 ◼   ► Fahrenheit and it's it's dipshit who had the room before me had it set to like 77 [TS]

01:37:30 ◼   ► degrees Fahrenheit see normally I would say oh man that sucks I feel so bad for [TS]

01:37:37 ◼   ► you [TS]

01:37:38 ◼   ► however when you did wake up from that horrible sleep at 9:30 in the morning [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► you probably walked right past me in the quinoline where I had been since six in [TS]

01:37:47 ◼   ► the morning so I don't feel bad for you at all I think I remember seeing you [TS]

01:37:51 ◼   ► might recall that we call a show right let's do it let's call it show she's an [TS]

01:37:59 ◼   ► hour and 40 minutes on just one show I hadn't stopped [TS]