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00:02:48 ◼ ► that now they can't you know they they have to keep their file system as simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/168">TS</a>]
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00:03:35 ◼ ► a laptop before that except for like one awful when I bought off ebay for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/215">TS</a>]
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00:12:28 ◼ ► single icon in the RAM on an original Mac the entire operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/748">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► was everything using an app you know launching a nap and using the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► having documents open and all the contents from the documents are and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/758">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► of that was less memory than the Finder uses just throwing icon yeah I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/762">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► when we so when I think of my podcast I have to have this giant set of shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/768">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► script that I use to are as much as possible and if the final files encoded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► on the command line with the lame encoder and there's a limit of hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► and twenty eight kilobyte or how big the artwork files can be and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► surprisingly hard to hit like I had a really crappy quality down to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/784">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► barely fit this one image that isn't even a complex barely fit as one image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/790">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► into the amount of entire RAM the first Mac it's just ridiculous and then even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/797">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► you know the next and Moore's law applied in all sorts of ways you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/804">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► from Mike probably like the NEX maybe not quite two decades but least the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/811">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► 15 years like from 1984 through around 2,000 where processor speeds doubles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/815">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► every 18 months hard drives Dumbledore wasn't even hard drives originally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► floppies but you know your storage space doubled pretty quickly ran like what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/826">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► what's a typical configured with four RAM doubled every couple years but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/831">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► at that pace like the first Mac iPhone was 1991 when I went to college and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► was a Mac LCD with four megs of RAM and a 40 gig hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► I swear in hindsight like half of my time using a machine was spent trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/851">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► manage that forty megabytes of hard drive space like figure out what I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/859">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► believe what I would move to floppies and how I'd label the floppies so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► could you know her back to the whatever it was again it was all I ever did we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/872">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► see everything and anything like this for PCs was we had a thing called disc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/880">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► dubler yeah where they just like basically does it was a compression on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► the disc that there were all sorts of things like that and they were always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/890">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► like you always hear stories of people losing everything because messed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► I couldn't read it I of course bought it and installed it I think I bought it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/896">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► be a pirate I don't know but pretty sure I bought it because it seemed like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► was so important that I really I wanted to be sure is getting a legit copy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/905">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► course I ran it and it was true it did maybe it wasn't quite double but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/911">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► very very close to the effective volume of eighty megabytes and it just felt so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/916">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► spacious and I never I never had a catastrophic problem with it but I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/921">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► that there are other people who did and in hindsight I wanna go back and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► strangle myself nineteen or twenty year old self who did it because it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/930">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► like the dumbest possible thing you could ever install and that was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/935">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► most people I mean you think today nobody has backups it was way worse you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/939">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► could you write another 40 make hard drive to serve as I could clone of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► sort of my dry wood was like wasn't even possible as I used 2004 terabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/952">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► external drive today for a hundred and fifty bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/960">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► was there were an external drives there wasn't four terabytes they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/964">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► certainly 150 but it wasn't even your only option was to copy the keys that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/969">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► was it that was the only realistic option that any consumer I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► businesses and servers were probably have tape drives that point but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► consumers wouldn't you know your only option was pleased as a college student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► in the first half of the nineties I actually sweated the price of floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► disks yeah right and I knew enough I was I was smart enough to know that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/990">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► paying for name-brand floppies will you know floppies in general suck period you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► know you're asking for trouble if your only copy of data was on a flight B C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► you can you can get more for your money but just by noname brand floppies and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► don't think it was you know I don't think you're really any worse for it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► it just by like 10 packs of a man on a typical you know like a typical college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► student I was spent most of college like knowing which ATM machines I could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► to take $10 out instead of 20 because they re at 1700 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► spin off lucky exactly go out but I and and then like when when company started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► giving out poppies for like promotions I mean people mock and still to this day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► aol for handing out floppy disks like like cotton candy it was great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► then you could take a min for Madame in and use them for yourself and I needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► or sometimes you have to actually punched a hole in the corner of 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► market is writable right right I remember that we're going to take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► always present it was only to get to take over the whole something appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► masking tape of course great idea putting that into it just destroyed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► yes of course we all do that used to be this is so ridiculous the Mac I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► was even so and system 7 when I had my formatting a floppy disk I think even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► find her copies was system model when you're covering something to a floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► it was you had to wait everything had to wait even if you had a couple apps open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► he would wait even just to switch to another appt until the Copy Wizard yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► I mean I denied my first few years of computing run Windows 3.1 and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► don't think it was it wasn't quite that bad I think you could technically switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► apps but everything else be so slow you would you wouldn't really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► yeah I mean it was computing was so incredibly prehistoric if so rudimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► back then and really we've come a long way I mean you know I used to always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► wonder you know I would think like 10 years ago what back when I was in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► nineties before ahead internet access at all I had a computer for like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► years before ever having a nexus what the heck did I do all day on a guy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► remember spending hours on it but once you have the internet and in like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► know if the internet goes out at your house and you know so sleepy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► smartphones are you didn't just have an easy backup if the internet goes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► this computer like this is useless and looking back I was out there like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► the heck do I do all day but you know when you think a little more critically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► actually I wasn't doing that much everything just took forever yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► true that is very true everything to God Almighty I feel like if you if you time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► travel back to that infuriate you wouldn't like having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► it would take my take months and maybe never to get acclimated everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► everything in his tiny kind of 14 inch CRT monitor there was and it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► nice at the time I mean just and we've come so long and now I'm bitching about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► my 30 inch monitor not being high resolution enough original manhattan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► dine in style and it was by some measures really really nice for the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► it because it was black and white square pixels instead of rectangular pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► which is actually what a lot of sorties in the eighties used it was like lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► were thinner and pixels are smaller and everything was crisper than on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► displays we're used to before it but nine inches dangles tiny I mean you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► talking smaller other night Petsmart and iPad is something that you said that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► know arms like a lot of people look back and you know we've seen a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► with a Mac anniversary but but not as much as I would expect a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► look back on previous eras of of technology or living in 2000 out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► everything was so great and reliable and simple back then and I've never had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► kind of nostalgia I don't care at all about old computers old technology I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► look back on it with like flight contempt like I can't believe these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► things suck in ways X Y and Z like I like when a couple years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► all these all these sites like mixtape started in a bunch of us I came up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► like to use the cassette tape the audio cassette tape as some kind of like hip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► activity of some sort or sharing and I hated cassette tapes they were terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► but there it was a terrible terrible medium in every possible way I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► floppy disk same thing floppy disks were awful in every possible way even at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► time everyone knew they were awful now everyone knows they're awful in 10 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► arcades gonna like Federer shiz floppy disk into the code is so cool so analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► kind of like it's gonna be a thing somebody tweeted today got my start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► retweeted I was I got hurt in it so it showed up like six times in my replies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► but it was a comic somebody drew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► you wear an adult was showing a child a floppy disk and the child says cool you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► made a 3d model of the save icon I guess the other thing though that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► stands out and I and I think it's why this thirtieth anniversary of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► thing resonated so strongly is that the technology was so bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► everything was slow and everything was so constrained that like you said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► some ways it's not a lot of nostalgia we're at we're like you might want if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► you're into wristwatches buying like dented one from the sixties like 50 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► old watches they're still great time pieces right there still today just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► great in like an old car maybe a little bit less so in terms of a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► details but there's a reason people still collect old cars like my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► father-in-law had the seventy-seven Corvette and they they retired they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► moved upstate and we had in our garage for a few months trying to sell it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► had to move it a few times and he came out a few times when the driver to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► various places and there's appeal for a lot of people of classic cars and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► like oh my god this thing is a death trap and it has no features the heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► sucks it doesn't run that reliably like oh my god what like why would anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► want this even that I have I have no nostalgia for that maybe you have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► point there may be it may be old cars are more like old computers were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► think the Bears in this town but then when you actually get into it it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► actually like unpleasant I had a friend who was in the old cars and he like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► old Ford Falcon and when we drive around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► its first you think it's pretty cool but then you get out and like you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► you smell like gasoline it might give myself cancer but yeah I'm here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► you're sitting there in like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► aluminum can of it's like everything so thin and small compared to modern giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► it it's not as good as you remember why I bought when I was when I was growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► up I was always a single guy and then when the Saturn came out I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► afford it was $400 that was a ton for console in like 95014 came out and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► I never got a Saturn and then later like at the end of college years later when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► they were really dirt cheap on ebay I'm finally got my Saturn this is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► great I bias Adam of the few games and it's just terrible I get such a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► disappointment and part of that is because the Saturn sucked and so did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► know who I am part let the Saturn sucks the other part of it was like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► it was looking back on this old era of technology where I was hoping it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► be amazing in modern times in by modern context it wasn't even close I was to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► a cig I wonder how much of that it's it's obvious topic but the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► nintendo's should make iOS games at least somehow get involved with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► devices are nicer to be so bright and then that he intended guys you know tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► to the understanding me but I wonder I wonder I never really thought about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1542">TS</a>]
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00:27:05 ◼ ► with the system with this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/1625">TS</a>]
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00:39:39 ◼ ► actually there earlier this evening I they they sponsor our show as well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► so I went to check it out and they was watching this great day on on logic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► editing the podcast and managing the dynamics compressors and everything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► was really really good I was I was you know they had like the diagrams and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► animations in the graphs everything I was very impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► talk about like someone has been a they've been around long I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► lynda.com booth at Macworld New York Macworld Expo New York twice a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► the lynda.com booth was just want just absolutely packed with because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► like the late nineties and everybody was a graphic designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► you know realize they had to learn how to do web design to stay relevant in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► industry and it was just like gangbusters business of New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► designers who went to Macworld buying her stuff brake stuff at me in in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► more years when PHP finally stops being useful to me on on the web and I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► learn anything else I've never done as much as always been sort of hobby for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► but I wrote my own link shortener the DAF for when you look at during fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► fireball Twitter account the DAF four-dot us' URLs are all my own little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► homemade system and bring Simmons was asking me about it yesterday and it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► me think about it and it's one of those things where I forget when I wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► must be like 2008 2009 couple of years now it's quite a few mostly just runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► but when I wrote it and there's a whole bunch of people like everything I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► it sort of Goldberg contraption between movable type in this other stand-alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► thing but at da four-dot USA it's just a little standalone web service that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► doesn't actually create a short URLs it just redirects them to the right URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► and at the time I thought I wanted to learn Ruby has at least curious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► Ruby and so I realize rails was overkill for what should be a simple couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► hundred line thing total and those and other free markets a lot smaller and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► my model of how programming works better called sinatra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► sinatra that's for Ruby yeah I have heard of it I I assumed it was Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► but yeah you can tell how how in touch I am with any of these things which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► really sad I really should know more you know and it's like a simple little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► where you you you know you run your little sinatra programming to rate these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► handlers to take the URLs that pattern match the URLs and then whenever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► matches one of your patterns it then it dispatches to where you tell it to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► and I had a good enough time doing it and I thought you know it worked well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► enough but then it's like I never did anything else in Sinatra or Ruby and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► it's like if I wanted to go back and do something with it like I have to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► all over from scratch I have 50 memory of how it actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► right now we're in we're in this kind of terrible adolescent period between major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► web language areas where you know like three or four years ago I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► said yeah use PHP Python Ruby no problem you know and I'd say probably use Python [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► first Ruby second PHP third and has a PhD program and they were all very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► mature very stable very easy to use nothing na most important they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► boring you could you could set it up and not have to worry that like the bleeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► edge beta version of the server that you set it up with is out of date in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► weeks and you know you set it up with the intention of touching every four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► years and so that's kind of incompatible with that but now if you if you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► learn when those languages today it's kind of like well you know that kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► like learning C++ today that you can do it and there are jobs out there for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► but you're kind of learning the past and you know that that might get a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► and so now I call the new cool stuff like node and some of the other cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► stuff going on it you could tell this is the next generation progressing as as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► speak and you could tell I in five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► telling people in all likelihood yes you should learn node and is now it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► easy and stable jobs for it makes me feel ya I'd like but between now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► then it's like that it's all these new things are still very very young their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► tools a very young they're running the stupid beta everything and it changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► every two weeks and there's new frameworks as a billion frameworks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► choose from you don't know which ones gonna quote win a format war like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► don't know what you should be investing your time and and and and you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► know it's it's easy to say especially especially for the younger programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► like if you're just going to college so it's easy to learn all of them who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► but there is a lot of value in mastering something and like learning the deaths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► every detail of a language in a framework to really be very advanced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► that thing and so right now if you want to start down that path of mastering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► something there is no clear choice of what that should be I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► interesting to that web programming has changed a lot more in a shorter period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► of time than native desktop and then my desktop I mean PC or mobile but native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► app development because native apps in the old days be written in C or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► American was passing out but Pascal Morency words you know conceptually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► very similar where you could speak one you'd at least understand the code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► ur and then when everything went object oriented C++ one out and people rode on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► a Mac power plant was the C++ framework that a lot of apps use it was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► because it can even come from Apple it came from third-party Metro works that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► made the top compiler which is tells you it's another sign of how bad a shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► apples in the nineties where they sort of lost control of the to torture by on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► merits you know that they got beaten out by Bio Products third-party product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► was just better than what they had in the wind 16 and when I don't know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► sixteen was object oriented but when 32 is a lot of C++ right yeah it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► weird windows that would only see I was in C++ it was CEO AP I have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► kind of a disaster because Microsoft would always come out like every three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► years they would change what the new cool thing is that you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► use but then they themselves are never use it and so was it and I kept changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► because no one ever caught on and it was always a disaster and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► there's job which never got bitten on the Mac but I don't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► windows software was written on may be commercially not much but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► enterprise certainly a lot i think i think is is and always has been WAY [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► bigger on servers then anywhere and desktop and mobile sources I mean back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► in the early days of terrible cell phones the the java mobile stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► brew which i think was based on job that was that had some foothold but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► strong you know and and next steps / Coco you know is not that it's unchanged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► since 1989 but it's still Objective C and the language has added features over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► whatever ass like it to be too BC when I mean like an old-school next developer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► have asked them you know if you time travel back to like your nineteen ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► self who was writing then brand-new next platform and showed them code from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► iPhone app would would it be four million be there always say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► there'd be a couple of things it be like a head-scratcher but for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► it would be like wow this is really cool them you know futures trade on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► platform that it it was clearly the same sort of Philosophy in mind set to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► API's to fight that whereas web programming has changed so much I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► remember writing my first CGI program I wrote in C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► compiling CGI's in late 1995 and then pearl was really took off just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► you don't have to compile code you could just save a text file and execute but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► went from CGI PHP which was wildly different maybe not linguistically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► conceptually it was read of actual executable code in the pages that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► had just died I think it's undergone you know told all totally unfamiliar to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2932">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► you knew before changes every 34 years I think part of it and certainly you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► you're you're right but you know you can have your PHP programmer and you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► Python Ruby you can pretty much figure out what's going on like it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► not so radically different it's just different function names a few different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► syntax things a few different capabilities but not massively so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► famously I mean it's even like part of the design behind it is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► pseudocode exactly but if you you know I think I think we're where things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► very clearly going partly out of just advancement and partly out of harbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► necessity where things are very clearly going as concurrency and all the modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► languages we have for web programming so far the easiest the big established ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► have not been great deal with concurrency and its way worse in PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► others so and I said I fully admit that it because it's based PC basically says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► what's concurrency we don't support that but when you're designing a language for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► a hardware environment where processor speeds have pretty much stopped getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► faster you know that they're making incremental improvements but it's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► longer a doubling in single core performance not even close right I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► look at the Mac Pro believe we've improved the encore performance and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► 10% in three years and it's terrible so and he's like the best CPU has to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► so you know the design of a language changes dramatically once concurrency at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► the hardware level is a big thing that has to be considered from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► and not just something you can add weight or something something that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► the advances have to do this and this is not something that every a pass to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► and apples on a very good job adding it to the desktop and mobile stuff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3053">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► with the GCD it's been awesome he said he is a fantastic API and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► there's still some some room to to go on that in regards to getting Coco apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► making making them make better use of multiple threads multiple cores but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► goes a long way it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► whereas in the web world we're still in the very early days of the transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► very very early and most of all I'm just don't do it well and so that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► be the thing where when you make a major shift like for me to learn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► that's not PHP that's what's gonna do it it's not some syntactical sugar that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► ruby has they don't care about its gonna be great concurrent his support and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► can have to sign language like that with that in mind from beginning yeah it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► think it's fundamentally just that there's a deer solving a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► problem that need the prob the native code is always had the dark their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► on the right price which is getting this thing to run as well as possible on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► whereas the problem that web software is trying to solve is very different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► it's not just concurrency in the sense of that's the way it tells you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► if you want to take advantage of gotta be able to go across quarters because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3135">TS</a>]
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00:52:24 ◼ ► more but really it's like that you wanna wrap if it gets popular to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► handle the most people with the least hardware exactly and yeah hardware is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► very cheap these days but when you start talking about quote web-scale things get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► expensive pretty quickly if you have if you have an app on the App Store that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► gets you know couple downloads a day you're not gonna notice on your servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► any kind of major cause problems but if you if you run something that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► popular then you're gonna start having to spend thousands of dollars a month on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► servers and that's going to add up quickly answered this stuff really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► starts to matter actually you're probably thinking about recently on with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► what I was an iPhone app you might have that my stuff soon yeah I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► want to be secretive about it but but I just don't want to speak on behalf of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► bread but yeah definitely we've given a lot of thought in terms of how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► that's going to work I'm a changed everything especially before I'm facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► the costly because I haven't launched this thing yet and I have no clue what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► might cause you're gonna be I have absolutely no clue I have a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► running for like six months in a test environment but I have no idea when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► release it how popular is going to be and what is going to actually use on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► servers but it's going to matter a lot and and you have you have installed a so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► far so you know with Vesper you know when we have sex many users probably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► know X percent of them are going to enable sync in the first place and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► we can kind of expect this this fall you well here's a good example of what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► don't know just a simple question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► is what how many how many notes that Vesper users use have photos attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► because that's actually going to depending on the answer to that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► significantly increase our storage right because the neck the notes that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► mostly text even if if let's just say for example we came out with a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► version where you would be even more easily be able to type longer notes text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► is written it compresses so its taxes not going to be a storage problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► photos could be you know because a photo is at least a megabyte or so just try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► ballpark number could be a huge difference depending you know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► where users store a lot of photos we don't know you know me by now once we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► have sinking yeah and you know there's also there is no other bottlenecks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► going to be you know like I've written this entire sink method that I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► idea if it's a terrible idea or not like I think I think it's reasonably decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► but I can point to like it like the main section but you know I feel alot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► database records to make this happened and maybe that's gonna bite me it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► don't know it is a very different development cycle is Brent's doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► the development and it's it's funny because it's just a we've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► about like writing actual iPhone brent was doing what he's been doing for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► last twelve thirteen years or so which is writing you know Coco code and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► know obviously the API's on I was seven or a lot different than the API's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 points to whatever was out when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► Newswires shipped but it's a he feels like he's on it on that degree he's on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► continuum and he's doing the same thing but just staying on the leading edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► over and over again whereas the the backend code for the sync server is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► nothing he's ever written before not that he hasn't written back in code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► before it's just that it changes often oh yeah and and again I can not be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► to predict what kind of usage and what kind of low to my kind of cost you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► gonna see from that makes it very very stressful and when you launch it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► know it possible if you have to buy your own hardware it's even worse where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► know you might launch with one server and and realize you need five or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► might lunch with five and realize you need half of one and nobody likes your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► app so it's very very hardly the stuff is launching launching a modern AB / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► service and I think that line is is pretty safely blurred these days it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► way more complicated than just making one that has to run on one kind of phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► and I said yeah and it's a mystery to because you're writing native code for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► device as you go you get to a certain point there still like a scaffolding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► period where like there's nothing to even see and then it got to a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► where brent could share with me and Dave and we could try it and then I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► daily basis we could you know critique certain things we could ignore certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► things that we knew where he just hadn't gotten to yet but you can kind of see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► coming together and you know you know as it progresses you see what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► definitely going to work this is gonna work that's not gonna work look this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► idea we had to do this for you swipe left or right it doesn't it at this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► it's confusing and then you backed out whereas when you're wondering about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► scale you know you don't know until you unleash the hounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► thats I'm it's like we have to have this fixed 10 minutes ago like you there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► time like once you launch if you're having a scheduling problem especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► if your problem is you to scale up if that's your problem then you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► a lot of time to like a let's rewrite this entire sync engine to work this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► completely different way or let's swap out this entire back and component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► because it turns out you know we need to use a three-year ready to get off s3 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► something like that you know there's these big decisions are much harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► do after you've launched but you don't know that you have to do until after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► you've launched its kinda screwed either way you can have to deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► launch might be bumpy I'm facing never actually ship over guys how close you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► gettin I'm almost ready for a beta I am i I was going through this every talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► solicitor emailing right now please don't I yeah I have my god I've had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► many and it's very it's very flattering million requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► problem is I have a hundred UDID sluts writing project for your own devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► yeah and so yeah like I I'm probably not gonna make the beta and you know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► want to do a beta before it actually shifted in the store you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► everyone do that for press people have to leave room for them so there goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► like another 10 slots and we ran out of a branch we we forget what we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► to do but we it's almost like I like what I said like when I had a LCD with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► 40 megabyte hard drive and I spend half my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► clear things up like us trying to clear up device IDs like you delete them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► they actually got deleted a year later right where you can only do your trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► think carefully the early wanna do it now I don't think people realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► but it is crazy every I think a lot of people know there's a hundred device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► limit to developer beta you do know device IDs I don't know a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► realize though that only gets reset 12 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3614">TS</a>]
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01:00:23 ◼ ► very unclear as to when that what happened to a well I'll get I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► another you know sixty devices back sometime around this two-month period I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► forget exactly what data will happen on there's nowhere to see that and it's far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► better now but but it's still if you if you delete a device that doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► room for somebody else it might in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► at the moment it doesn't use device it's it's remark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► it's a real problem and it's like something that like iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► amongst themselves never shut up about because it never it's never ending his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3653">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► iPad count Count across the limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► and most people who beta test at least at least the ones we have are people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► are just like me and you get a new iPhone every year every time there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► new iPhone or iPad launch at this massive pile of emails from test flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► saying all these people to leave the device was implanted device and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3676">TS</a>]
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01:01:29 ◼ ► Apple IDs say a hundred Apple IDs instead of a hundred rate that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► amazing that alone would would would get me to shut up about it because it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► totally effectively you get it really more like a limit of 40 people if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3701">TS</a>]
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01:01:52 ◼ ► going to do universal with iPhone and iPad you're talking about sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► 25 30 at the tops if they're gonna go through both an iPad and iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► maybe a new iPhone let alone you know me I go through I have two new iPads and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► one knew I patty year and the new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► even even for the test I'm beta testing an app now for iPad and my primary iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► is a mini so I gave him that you the idea that I got the app me you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► actually would like more screen space for this app I wish I could test it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► my wife's error but I can't go out and give them that you dat and I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► to the bathroom so please burn another one so you know but like I like none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► this is the best testing could be none of this is set up for good quality easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► interaction at all it's it's all incredibly rudimentary and hostile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► it's a lot of ways and iOS development has gotten better over the years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► terms of managing some of that stuff and stuff but the limit the device limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► hasn't changed at all and it's it's more of a problem now than it was when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► because of the iPad and I think it's totally reasonable that you do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► if if a tester has both an iPad air in an iPad Mini you'd want them using both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► to make sure everything you know is sized comfortably for both you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► it's a really good tester make them on an iPad 3 be able to run only on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► edge case devices that might show different problems when he ran on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► written the device and I read the device you know if you if you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► somebody actively testing beyond just like I let me try out the app can I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuw9L6K4/3813">TS</a>]
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