The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► Sao Paulo time you run the show was a very special event i I crashed a party [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► for the final live talk show it to you actually not indicted [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► backstage and then all of a sudden you you came out I don't know why I bought a [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► drink that was that was that was well received and then and then you were [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► talking about about just the tip with a me so I crashed a party like it's right [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► but she was actually invited to be on the show but this time I'm invited right [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► only to leave now you know and I kind of keep your mouth shut i mean you weren't [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► really didn't come out there I think about their bladder and just right now [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► but in between that was like the second week in June and we're recording right [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► now on the 10th of November in between you and my wife Amy and had an entire [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► season of podcast they just the tip that's right how many episodes agenda it [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► was 15 episodes for season 1 you guys were planning originally just under 10 [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► though we were talking between 10 and 13 and then we had an advertiser that was [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► interested do a couple more episodes and big sellouts figured out a way to slip [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► some large does in which we were out some more material exactly how do you [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► think I think I've been pretty happy with it and that's what I get more [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► feedback for that the past couple months that I have for the software company [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► that i've run for decades [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► doesn't make quite as much money it's not really paying my bills but you know [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► it's been well received I think people like podcast I'm shocked cuz I hate him [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► I don't know how I shouldn't say but I don't listen to him I listen to I listen [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► to our podcast over and over again as I'm editing it which is the worst thing [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► in the world and I listen to some of the talk show and I was until you look nice [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► today which is sadly about to end Trevor isn't it over I thought that it was at [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► the thought the one that just came out last week was deluged final episode is [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► it really was it was part one but it was not a joke you think I i couldnt even [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► had a chance to listen that when you [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► I i've been saving associates were going on at sight reading the one David Foster [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Wallace now that you know cuz you know there are going to be anymore and that's [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► a dangerous game to play because it's been a couple of years now on David [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► Foster Wallace who could die any moment [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► exactly and then you know what was the point you know how long do you save [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► probably not a good idea to say but I felt the same way with you look nice [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► you know they are so I don't you know it is you work from home the same way I do [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► I don't have a commute and everyone I know who listen to podcasts as like all [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► it's the best thing that gets me through the 45 minute hour drive that I have [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► never it is and my commute is you know ten steps down from my bed rooms have to [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► be a real short podcast right i'd I listen to them [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► times if I'm walking and doing errands or something like that through the city [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I'll load up on the iPhone and then I have something to listen to as I walked [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► through the city but its I just don't have as much time as you know I don't [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► have any computer right was I almost died almost finished last week's talk [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► show before we started recording this one so I got like half an hour left on [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► that once I'm almost done in London slip I've been letting go way to get off I'm [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► just at like 45 minutes understand ago you should just go well and it's funny [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► because it gets to the nature of what people do you know when they listen to [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► podcasts and for people with let's just say in this is very common especially in [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► America that you might have an hour commute each way two hours a day and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► that's 10 hours a week and you know if you have ten hours a week in your car [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and then a two and a half hour to it was almost two and a half hour at this talk [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► show if you like hearing me talk and if you like John Siracusa we got so many [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► people who are like oh my god I was so happy when I saw Syracuse was on the [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► show and then I saw how long it was and I got even [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► right but I'm sure there's also an there's also I think a silent on over to [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► modularity I don't know I'm sure there's a part of you out there who were like oh [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► my god I love the show but come on two hours about some editing and the worst [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► part is it was added it so the reel-to-reel recording was like four or [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► five hours I don't know but you know and if I had the forethought you know cuz I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► do the sponsor reads while I'm doing the show and I guess what I could do is not [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► do that and then if it ends up that a guest is on and we get three feels like [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► solid hours I can call that two shows right you know and then just record the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► bits in the sponsor later you know but it would the way that I did the sponsor [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► read I couldn't really would have been easy to break it into two up to cut it [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► out is that would be great cuz I could just take a week off and try to do [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► anything right I'm gonna try and I want to get back down to try to try to do [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► this one in an hour [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► alright but we had twenty minutes shit to get it flies time flies right now un [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► ami tho you on just the tip you guys doctor did I know and beginning you guys [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► even I think you even said on air that I was very little more than half an hour [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► and we managed to do it it's so in the beginning we recorded and we just talked [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► and talked and I had to chop it down and eventually I realized hey I should make [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► us have a hard cut off of like 60 minutes and then I'll only have to add [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► it thirty minutes out but yeah there is a lot of stuff that we cut out that you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► know maybe was a little bit funny or pretty funny but we really want to hit [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► that thirty-minute point so it's it's tough not editing is the way to go if [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► you if you can do it [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► yeah you and i i i dont have him I showed my friend Sexton doesn't do [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► there's a hell of a job but he doesn't really add it added content right for [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the most part I mean he'll call he's great he's he's a long time listener the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► and and gets totally gets what the show if it's good what it is that's good [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► about it and he will call it out and he'll ask waco say like if an entire bit [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► really bored him he'll suggest taking it out and I i dont think Ive ever [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► disagreed ok but for the most part [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► whole bit don't get edited out it's you know maybe a bit of stammering and and [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► if there's a mistake or something like that right and I think he does a great [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► job he does a good job making me sound a lot better but he doesn't edit you know [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► like film editing which is I could you and Amy did with just the tip or you [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► know it's a pain in the ass i dont recommended but I am I am happy with the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► product we get out of it and I think we were talking about people that like a [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► long shower and certainly plenty people do but it's difficult to argue with the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► short showed its hopefully pretty punchy which is and you know I'm sure you know [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► people who listen to dozens of podcast condemn others that do it but it's it it [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► does lead lend itself to a higher production feel and you know you look [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► nice today always did that and they did they always had the nice thing where [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► they have the little jingles in between the edited segments which gives it more [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► of those transitions right absolutely like I told you I'd listen to almost [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► every episode is just the tip I think I don't think so but [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I like the edited nature of it but I did think every once in awhile sometimes the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► transition between segments with abrupt yeah you could end and part of it is you [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► know this is the first time I was editing the podcast a part of it was [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► just getting used to editing and any other deadly were points where you could [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► hear a cut and you know we had my friend Todd who did all these theme song for [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► the show and I was thinking about making that idea from you and I say I'm just [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► putting my two little musical interlude five seconds between things I might I [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► might wind up doing that if I find that I i do what up having those those cuts [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that are really obvious especially now that they're off the air yeah absolutely [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► we never want to steal everything John Hodgman to record stuff that was quite a [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► way that was one of the most surprising things to me is Amy and I you know just [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► you know I don't think frankly she might listen you're on but she listens when [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► somebody she likes yeah that's what she said but she didn't really run much by [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► me you know I mean I was you know I didn't know much in advance of any given [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► week episode until it actually hit you know so I was very surprised the first [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► time I heard a theme song and it was good but then the next week when it had [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► like all new theme song that was just as good [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► it was like bizarre to me because that's like the one of the hardest thing how do [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you get a good theme song very hard to do well so this is my buddy type who's [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► shouldn't while I'm on a different shows I think I can I can read about a little [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► bit but he's working on his doctorate and when he wants to slack off he just [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► settles in GarageBand and since we had about 10 different theme songs he's been [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► you know what's the word I want you know just slacking off quite a bit I think [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► behave but it was amazing to me though because they were you know pretty good [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► yeah we were very happy with them and and certainly we were grateful to have [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► this the supplied to us and I was that that was a real gift for you look nice [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► today is that US and EU and Sandy make all those I never even got the story or [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► those [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► John Hodgman recordings [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► you know in like music to the music I think he did the music at least yeah we [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► should I guess I just always assumed it was him I know Scott doesn't do music [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► thing I think maryland's cruise around but he doesn't screw that type of music [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► but anyway those jingles they had for the interstitials you know between the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► segments were gave that show such an incredibly polished feel and I thought [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► that you guys had sort of the same thing with just the tip games but it was so [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► crazy that they were different every time [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► yea well so when we got what it was like alright we can use this and then and [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► then he gave me like three more and I was like well these are all great and [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► none of them are obviously better than the others I might as well as using new [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► one every week so do you know there's no brand recognition or anything like that [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► gonna get from this but that's alright so that's an extra means like the main [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► reason why I love you know from the get go all the way back to the original runs [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► this show it dan that we've never had any kind of theme song or anything like [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that cuz my thought is if you can't find one that's great then it better not to [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► have any at all and I and too many podcasts I think out there have like the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► equivalent of like muzak like Times New Roman yeah like you've got you know [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Times New Roman in Helvetica on your computer and so you're going to use [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► those right you know not bad but like so clearly like just generic that it's it [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► doesn't feel real like not there somehow there's like a line you can press put a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► song urging color theme song over that makes it feel real an original and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► there's something else it's just like Generic going from the library of like [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► 10 podcast theme songs that exists in GarageBand may be exactly like you know [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► and just altering it a little bit I get you know the difference between the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► original blog design and just using a template right now that's bad like like [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► one of the default WordPress templates which isn't bad necessarily right and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► you know a lot of those [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► you know it's it's like the ante has been raised so high in template design [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► you know they the default WordPress templates if you do like a fresh install [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► they're actually pretty good and Squarespace in those guys all have [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► really good 10 minutes [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► tumblr you know when you sign up for temporary use some really good templates [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► to choose from now but they're still you know they're not original right and and [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► a hundred other sites are gonna have that same one I was so I always thought [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► you know why not just have none if you know about a wooden none template look [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► like well I don't know like dance are white page [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► well thats I mean you style bad like you created that style but it's closer to [TS]

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00:12:58 ◼   ► be maybe the equivalent of having a blog that doesn't have a logo ok something [TS]

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00:13:09 ◼   ► of a bad luck I might be overthinking it now you take a break and we're going to [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► get this done an hour and see if we can do this [TS]

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00:17:34 ◼   ► news this week [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► couple things that jumped out at me what we got [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► III said what's your name the woman from the New York Times wrote this she's an [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► economics reporter I just read over this and now I don't remember the name either [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► she wrote a piece in their Sunday magazine a week ago Catherine rampell [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► alleging [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► pretty much flat out alleging has no real maybe to it alleging that Apple [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► like booby traps their iPhones so that when new models come out it instantly [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► knows and starts slowing down and write your old phone starter battery the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► battery doesn't last as long and it when it when she wrote the first piece I [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► linked to a rebuttal in of all places Gizmodo and I wrote something to the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► effect of you know catcher Jason dogs here's here's ginsberg common sense [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► coming from Gizmodo two straight times to straighten out nonsense in the New [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► York Times hell is going on in the world do but in the meantime since she's like [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► double down on the she has like follow up post on economics blog at the new [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► york times where she reiterated some of the stuff and explain some of the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► contention she had made right she was on CNN there is a segment on CNN headline [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► news is I got a real CNN it was a conspiracy right is there an Apple [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► conspiracy or something and it's whose whose laws it with headlines that [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► whatever if you have a question mark headline it and it can just be answered [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► with yes or no better just law right that's right the answer is always no [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► that was the thing is the headline on her original piece which you can still [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► see in the in the slug in the URL was it something like why Apple wants to bust [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► your iPhone and then they changed the headline to you know something [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► wishy-washy like the Apple trapper something who was it I was talking about [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that was somebody was a damn from her I think it was down from her like a week [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► or two [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► ago on this show part 2 weeks ago was only about one so many seats en ESAs you [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► can see an original headline that got toned down right subsequent Bloomberg [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► does it all the time Bloomberg it seems like they really don't put out like a [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► real punchy headline for five minutes and then somebody will be like whoa whoa [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► whoa that's what you get any URL right and at a certain point do you think it's [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► intentional and they you know tone it down after the fact [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► after they've gotten some of the the links that they wanted in the first [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► place [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► no I don't think so I think it's more that the pressure to publish fast and [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► you know it means that the oversight that would happen before you know it [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► comes after the fact they say I'll be sure to turn that down in the first [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► place right like like in the old days before the web [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► go back to 1988 you know that if she wrote the same article for The New York [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► Times Magazine at some point before they actually put the magazine to press [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► somebody would have looked some conservative copy editor would have [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► looked at the headline said hey we got it you know this is whereas now it's [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► like four o'clock she's done for 15 it's gone through copyediting 428 gets [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► published in like maybe four forty somebody else looks at a headline you [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► know it's already been published you know you know and I do it I certainly [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► it's you know it's stupid to pretend that the web is print in that once [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► you've hit published you know it's sacrosanct he can't correct anything or [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► or you know change it or whatever I mean if you changed significantly they did [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► you should market yeah almost as a courtesy not like as self-flagellation [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► but almost as a courtesy to readers who may be read the original version and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► they're like crazy crazy you know just you know if you've already seen it now [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► this is what it used to say it but this didn't sit right with me and it hasn't [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► the whole the whole basis of her argument and it's it's a little bit more [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► than just a veneer Times wrote something [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► really almost slanderous about Apple and I think I think what it is is it just [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► didn't occur to me at first is that it's not just that it's wrong but that I [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► think it's actually completely opposite I i think that in consumer electronics [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► say what you want you know you know there's all sorts of ways to be cynical [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► about Apple but I think overall even if you're not a fan of their products even [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► if you're an Android person or Windows users or you know pick pick any other [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► competing platforms I really do think it's fair to say that Apple takes care [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► of existing customers and older devices better than anybody else while I really [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► look at Android you know look at how many devices never get an update or you [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► know six months after their release they're considered out of date and don't [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► get a new version of the operating system right brand and is that better [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► right and look at the Nexus itself which is the one from Google which is the full [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► Google experience and which they control the software updates to one of the [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► biggest parts of the Nexus hardware line isn't just that you get the you don't [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► have any carrier add-on crowd you can do it's also that you get your updates [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► direct from Google Apple style right and so with my android four point four words [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► just came out like 10 days ago it it's only available for two models of phones [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the brand new one and the Nexus for the two models back Galaxy Nexus which was [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► still being sold it in the beginning of calendar 2013 as like a discounted [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► access right and it's only two years old [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► period if you bought it on day one already has been cut off from Google's [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► own OS read and in day saves you know their explanation is that you know it [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► uses a Texas Instruments chipset that Texas instrum you know Texas insurances [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► sense in the interim two years [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► stopped [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► updating whatever but that doesn't make any sense of doesn't make any sense to [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► the customer who bought 12 years ago right that's the thing that really [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► matters as a user if you think you know I got this sometimes even this year [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► you're saying and suddenly it's out of date that there's no there's no [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► explanation that's gonna make you think ok that makes it right and so I really [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► feel like it's it's just like what makes it so pernicious is that it really is [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► actually the opposite of you know what's good about Apple so here's another [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► example I know she's talking about phones but look at maverick maverick [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► Mavericks is a free upgrade means that are as old as six years old [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► yeah I don't think it's every device from every Mac from 2007 but there are [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► some of the max from 2007 are eligible for Mavericks and the only reason they [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► drew the line there is that you know it's not out of spite like we want you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► to buy a new Mac if you're still using a 2006 one but you know that that's the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► line where I think Apple thinks no Mavericks would if we made it work it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► would be worse right well so if anything i mean there has been reports there have [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► been reports in the past [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► of phones getting more sluggish when they updated to the new OS right you've [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► heard this absolutely absurd and I don't i i don't doubt it either right i mean [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► you're running new home new software on all hardware and the software was built [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► for the new hardware that is now come out so potentially you know it would [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► make sense that this would not work as well as the new devices obviously but [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► even as well as the old software running on the device but if they're guilty of [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► something it's you know not cutting things off when they should it's not an [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► issue of them you know maliciously trying to make your phone lousy so [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► you'll go buy a new one i dont I think of all the guests you have on your show [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► I might have sort of the most complicated relationship with Apple [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► certainly I think that's actually very true I mean we've we as a company has [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► had multiple issues with the with Apple in their app stores and you know [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► anything when you do into but as as even as an individual as a user of a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► complicated relationship with [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► the products I love their products I hate some of their policies but I can't [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► look at this and think like yup they're really trying to screw people over with [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► their iPhone 4 and make them buy a new phone it just doesn't it doesn't read to [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► me it doesn't scan as as realistic right and I know that there are people out [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► there who had that's an iPhone 4 even for us and then they upgraded to iOS 7 [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► and the phone really got slow and battery with seven point oh oh right [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► cause there was some rest was addressed with some of the updates right but it's [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► definitely not the case in fact I've tested it just adds in the last week I [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► like actually cause I keep all my old iPhones actually fired up my old iPhone [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► 4 and I didn't even fresh install it [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► Jonas had been using it for a year or more as his you know gaming device so [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► without wiping anything out a device that he had used you know after I fresh [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► reinstall are wiped it whatever you wanna call it but they he'd used for at [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► least a solid year I just did the ok software update is available [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► drop it on there did you know just like a regular consumer would ok I'll allow [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► it you know is it as snappy as my iPhone 5s know but it was absolutely usable you [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► know is it not quite as snappy as iOS 5 which is what was where he was upgrading [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► from maybe in some ways some of the animations but overall no I think it's [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► fine and I think there are things like Safari which Apple has continued like [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the WebKit insofar as continued to improve like it it's faster than it used [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► to be you know JavaScript is faster so you have you have some experience having [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► tested this yourself I can't I shouldn't say that I've tested this and you know i [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► i didnt experience this but all I've heard and what her article started out [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► with was anecdotal evidence right and it was nobody had any facts nobody had any [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► no facts exactly and and so the whole the whole story which [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► blew up on me not to the extent of like antennagate or anything like that but it [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► blew up to the point where you know other news institutions were covering [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► this and taking it seriously the whole thing was based on a predicated on you [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► know my phones a little slower than it used to be I think yeah and so here's [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► where I think the fact that it's the new york times makes it worse is that the [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► New York Times is still the new york times when something's in the new york [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► times its it has more gravity read more weight yeah so here's an article from [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► Inc Magazine which is still around but I N C dot com Inc Erik Sherman has an [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► article from sometime in the last week [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► headline planned obsolescence question mark that trick only works at Apple AAPL [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► is worth emulating in many ways but not when it comes to how the company [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► intentionally limits the lifespan of its products and it was was this a response [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► to her wells here to read the beginning the notion of planned obsolescence of [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► the practice of designing products that they have a limited effect of life span [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► may seem like some smart practical economics to some and at times that is [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► true but for entrepreneurs do deliberately limiting the life of [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► products and services is a bad mistake when Iowa seven came whistling down the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► datapipe to older model I found it must have first seemed like an early holiday [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► present no cost and all sorts of new goodies but is Catherine rampell wrote [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► in The New York Times good news turned a bad as her iPhone 4 became quote a lot [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► more sluggish and then it's a quote from her article know everybody just have it [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► is the way that he starts it is look if the New York Times says it makes your [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► iPhone 4 slow then it makes your iPhone 4 slow and they did it on purpose of the [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► people of great because the New York Times said this right and I really do [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► think that makes it worse here they give me an idea for an article and I know who [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► could do it would have to be somebody like the verge or Engadget one of those [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► outfits where they have a staff of people including [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► you know staff members who use Android devices full time because one thing we [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► know is that you know the batteries that are in these devices definitely get [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► worse at the more you use you know you know it's like a year old device that's [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► been charged 300 times is not going to have the battery life that it didn't [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► brand new battery that was that was one of the most galling things about this [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► was it was talking about the batteries and it it was like you know should they [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► put in a better battery didn't get that battery doesn't exist [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► hey they're exactly the best battery they can and as much of that battery as [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► they can because they know everyone wants battery life if anything you know [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► that's the one thing that they're absolutely not doing right one of the [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► exactly what other proposals should Apple be putting in a battery that [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► doesn't lose any capacity at its like no because it doesn't exist should somebody [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► invent that battery yes absolutely sure Apple would love to talk to you if [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► you've invented such a battery I'll bet you can get a very nice check out if you [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► can invent a battery that doesn't lose capacity I'm also sure though that if [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► you invented such a battery I'm sure there are some physics departments [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► around the country they love to talk to you would like a call from Sweden after [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► that one because there's you know there's certain laws of thermodynamics [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► of what you want but you know there's a conservation there's a reason why [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► batteries lose power or used right its physics so sorry I cut you off without [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► talking about the battery but that was that stuck out to me so much but I would [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► love to see III you know my biased maybe but I would bet money though that a year [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► old iPhone that's been used for target like a review unit but like you know [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► like I could volunteer my your old iPhone 5 run it through the same battery [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► test that you do when you were testing the brand new devices and see what the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► differences you know does a year old Samsung Galaxy hold up as well you know [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► not just one that's been sitting on a shelf but I'm saying one that liked [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► you know nerd techno real-world usage absolutely is used for a year [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► what's the battery life 10 you know i i would I feel pretty good I would I would [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► wager a wee bit of money that Apple devices percentage wise hold up better [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► than most and least as good I would be shocked if it was worse it's certainly [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► not something where it's gonna be worse exactly right there I would be [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► flabbergasted if Apple devices lost more capacity over the same amount of usage [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► as others I would guess that if anything might be better right but the articles [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► make it sound as though it's only Apple right right and yeah really pin this on [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► them and and made it sound like they're putting in terrible batteries and [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► they're rushing in [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► out software updates that will hurt your phone and the whole thing the whole [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► thing was like I said predicated on these you know personal experience that [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► may or may not even be true and didn't have any factual basis or you know any [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► facts backing up and then the one last thing that really bothers me about this [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► whole narrative is that to me it's also predicated on a very sort of [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► longstanding they call it The Cult of Mac theory the idea that you know I know [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► there's a website called The Cult of Mac I'll be dead people have called it a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► cold and rainy and mortars always been [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► guys call it out i mean the strong you're talking about the straw man [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► argument of where Apple fans will defend anything and will buy anything right [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► right no matter what album comes out with them [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► and I think that really plays into this because thats this you know like just [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► look at this headline in a planned obsolescence that trick only works at [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► Apple cause I think about what they're saying what they're saying is [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► including Catherine rampell of the times they're saying okay you've got a two [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► year old phone that you weren't necessarily thinking iPhone that you [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► weren't necessarily thinking about replacing that a software update came [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► down and you said ok install it and now your phone [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► worst battery life and worst performance and they're saying well then of course [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► your gonna go buy a new iPhone it wouldn't the rational person se bebe at [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► that moment less likely to buy another iPhone then something else [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► absolute one and she's so far so she's an economics reporter she's not actually [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► technology reporter and and she did touch on this a little bit so there was [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► a little bit of interesting discussion on you know what it actually makes sense [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► to do this and it was saying you know if you have a monopoly and you're the only [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► ones making a smartphone then you should do this because people are just gonna [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► buy your new device but as you said there's competition out there that's you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► know decent at least and if you're pissed off at Apple because they major [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► phone work like crap you're gonna look at that competition alot more closely [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► right and one of the ways that I think the computing world in general is gonna [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► lot better as time has gone on is that it's gotten alot easier to switch from [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► one platform to another there's nowhere near as much locked in technical lock in [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► is there used to be I mean it is absolutely true that with the App Store [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► you know I was gonna say I'm mobile platforms I feel like we started talk a [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► little bit of a step back there but on the other hand the prices having come [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► down so far were so many of the apps you may have bought are literally like 99 [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► censored buck 99 or freeze but so many things that you know just the fact that [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► your floppy disks were different formats drive right but I mean so many people [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► have so much of their stuff just in Dropbox or in you know Google Apps Gmail [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you can put your calendar on Google Calendar and stuff like that it's really [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► a lot easier to switch and I know this from you know just the time if I you [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► know the times when I'll try an Android phone for a month or something like that [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► I don't have everything but I can get a lot I can get a lot of my stuff just by [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► signing into Dropbox and Google and stuff like that it's a lot easier than [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► it used to be certainly less bodies you know I'm not saying it's easy there's [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► certainly some some technical locked in but it used to be so I don't think [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► anybody would be wise to do that I just think and I think that they're only read [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the reason they only write this about a boy nobody else is nobody else you could [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► even make it seem as though there are these irrational customers who after [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► being given a total shit sandwich like hey we took your perfectly working [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► iPhone and ruined it come by a new I feel like it's an insult to people who [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► buy iPhones I think I realized they'd be willing to just put up with this right [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► like wouldn't that be the moment where do you most angry at Apple and most [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► likely to buy a Samsung I i in fact I would be willing to bet if you can [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► somehow survey a thousand people are 10,000 people who've bought it I you [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► know a cellphone period in the last six weeks of I try my today if you can find [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► the number of those people who installed Iowa seven and hated it for whatever [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► reason I'll bet that those people are disproportionate probably not its I [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► don't think there's a lot of them and only two percentage be high but I bet [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► there'd be some kind of correlation that those people were more likely to try a [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► Samsung switch over to and right yeah I think that you know it's you know it is [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► a little irritation like that is the sort of thing that could really not due [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► to do that and I think Apple is fully aware of that right and what he had like [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► i said i don't i don't agree with a lot of stuff but I just can't see that it [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► makes any sense for them to say yeah but this is how we're going to get some new [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► sales but screw over the people who bought a phone two years ago I mean I [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► think I think the biggest thing is that like I said I think maybe they should [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► not have offered this update to those older phones if it was not gonna work as [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► well as it should but of course I mean if you do that then you're getting the [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► people who say all why is my phone already out of date [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► right why can't I get the latest so you can't win when you have tens of millions [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► of customers somebody's gonna be ticked off right and it's definitely the case [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► that you know an older phone is way more likely than a newer phone to have [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► developed some sort of even wanna call it a bug when I caught some some kind of [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► configuration of preference settings and data and usage that it's not gonna turn [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► up over the summer while it's being beta tested and it certainly also the case [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► that the majority of the people using iOS 7 while it was in beta and next year [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► who will be using Iowa State and Baylor are not using two or three year old [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► iPhones are rising on their new phones that they aren't allowed to show anybody [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► but it is absolutely not the case and it's like I said it's the opposite that [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► three year old iPhone users get more from Apple than any other phone nobody [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► it takes care of older customers like perfect timing let me tell you about our [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► good friends back to sponsor the show again and mail route if you are I guess [TS]

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00:40:15 ◼   ► wacky like that being deprived of quarantine notifications are you only [TS]

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00:40:42 ◼   ► email protection you just point your MX records of them then they pointed back [TS]

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00:40:58 ◼   ► configure which features you want what type of filters you want [TS]

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00:41:08 ◼   ► you can use it works great for small team with just a handful of users they [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► have an API that you can program against to really customize it they'll mail [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► admins and they love little guy is this the copy that they gave you i assume [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► some of it right so so we use and that's the copies all accurate there's nothing [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► in a min accurate but basically if you don't want to deal with spam for your [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► domain [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► this is a great solution and it's inexpensive you let somebody else deal [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► with spam filtering and you don't have to do anything i mean that's the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► simplest you know it's the two cents elevator pitch for this and it really [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► yeah and and yet we've been using it we had another solution that we are using [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► for future for a few years is pretty good but we got so fed up with them and [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► we switch to mail route after hearing about it on the talk show maybe about [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► six months ago they started advertising I think that sounds about right and this [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► is I'm not getting any money for this but we've been very happy with them and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► the simplest thing is if you don't deal with spam let them deal with it and you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► won't have any problems with it at least we haven't and I you know what I think [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► that to me it sounds a little funny first time I heard it that sounds pretty [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► cool in summer and are not asking you to switch your entire you dare not doing [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► hosting for you [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► the mail hosting it does sound to me a little bit late will do I really want to [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► put another layer of indirection between the outside world in my mail server but [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► yeah you do think about it it's it's it's just all it is is just a layer of [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► filtering and outside world is terrible and full of spam [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► exactly and a filter layer there helps you avoid all that I also I owe my [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► friends apology last time they sponsored the show I said something to the effect [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► that these two work at Microsoft that's actually not true and you want me to [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► clarify that the northern and none of them in fact of work to make up what [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► they did is they had built a previous email had been told that they sold to [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► Microsoft ok but they did not at no point did they come with the tool [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► exactly and I just thought that was so adorable that they say they didn't ask [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► me to have corrected they just wanted me to know that none of them had worked so [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► well well wow but none of us have ever worked at Mikes we have think it speaks [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► I don't seem like cool guys and they wanted the street where you go far to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► find out more guess what you can try it for free [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► go to mail route dotnet / he talk show you get a 15 day free trial and you'll [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► get 10% off the lifetime of your account using the promo code TTS or the talk [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► show Paul about you but you're taking advantage that you found it and yeah why [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► not take 10% offer the next however many years we want to be using it so that's [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► mail route dotnet / the talk show really works just takes care of spam bagels 33 [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► census 433 words takes care I guess that's for my thanks to mind too but [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► like I said I'm not get paid I just like the product we doing on time again [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► making an hour maybe 45 minutes maybe you know you didnt you hardly know [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► there's no buzzer although you threaten to drop the mic after I might just [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► unplug them I can go if I could pull it off [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► someday to do events Kali which would be to do an episode of the show right don't [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► have a guest and I'll just talk now then skelly is the Dodgers 89 year old I [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► think it's something ridiculous great he's the the the baseball announcer for [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► the Los Angeles Dodgers he's been their team announcers for so long that he used [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► to be the announcer for the Brooklyn Brooklyn and eighty-five we should all [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► right but the most amazing thing is is he sounds exactly the same like listen [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to an old clip of Jackie Robinson you know right [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► playing in Brooklyn in 1954 it sounds and Zach hill he came calling the game [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► well I mean that's the beauty of radio is he doesn't look quite the same he [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► looks a little early but anyway unlike any other [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► any other baseball announcer I'm aware of he still works alone he describes him [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► in the booth he doesn't do you know one guy doing play-by-play announcer guy [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► doing as they call it color commentary which is fine and you know the reason [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► why everybody else does it I think it would be really hard to do it by [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► yourself with what he does is difficult right it's just amazing he's the voice [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of baseball and I wonder if I could do a talk show with no gas will say you were [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► a little late getting to this I actually did about 15 minutes before you got here [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► it's all gold so you know maybe will tack that on right at the beginning [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► Paul doing eventually yeah absolutely I would love to you know I would love to [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► have been slowly on the show [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► disease he at all [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► announces for the Dodgers I have no opportunity to listen to him I'm aware [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► of him but does he have the up on technology at all I have to imagine he's [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► not I'm guessing definitely not I would guess I would guess he's technology say [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► I mean it's gotta just be a baseball show you couldn't do anything else [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► yeah maybe some funny broadcasting stories maybe just let him do a talk [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► show maybe a literal know what I'm saying you're not on right exactly it's [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► just a little Vin Scully talks you know what I thought was great during the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► playoffs baseball player us on TBS their their studio show meaning not be gains [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► but when they do when the games would cut back to the TBS studio between the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► two games yeah we're in between games [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► Keith Olbermann was leading it and whenever they would show highlights from [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► the Dodgers games instead of showing are listening to the TBS crews that had [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► broadcast the games they were using Vin Scully they were using vin scully which [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► I thought was really nice touch and I don't know if I had to fight for that [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► like it that was little if there is any kind of pushback internally because it [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► was his own network is that he's ousting basically right but I almost have to [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► think that [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► know even if if your if like me and you were calling the Dodgers st. Louis came [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► between Keith Olbermann showed that highlights the used vince sculley would [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► be like well yeah of course of course you gotta use is the baseball announcers [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► baseball announcer right who who won that one in the playoffs who won the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► World Series the Red Sox how that's right ok you know good team he'll be [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► yeah I just you know no hard feelings now I'm just I'm just get graduations [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► get them next year right [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► losers her eight hands don't say get a text you accuse fans liked it there just [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► angry Forex [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► assume they assume winner or loser gonna get them next year that's that's the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► difference other teams have fans were there like well we don't do this year [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► maybe next year yet the next year is assumed from the get go anyway [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► into this year and next year yeah and the year after that I mean you know when [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► or series is good but really gotta win three four five in a row he's a really [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► really put yeah there's a funny thing you know there's a the Red Sox fans [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► design wanna go to launch reports I know people get bothered but Yankees fans [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► have always had there's there's real Yankees and not really Yankees and it's [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► hard to tell exactly cheaters are real yankee a large not so much [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► jpg a ride is not a real yankee although he a ride is almost an asterisk in every [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► category every possible because he's been there for so long and managed to [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► win 2011 World Series and the one that he won he did you know he was [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► unbelievably was really good [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► key key player on the team Matsui was the MVP but it could have been a ride [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► for the whole playoff run it was probably a ride but it's not just liked [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► so Jeter came up through the system [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► you know and farm system Mariano Rivera is clearly a real yankee came up through [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► the system Andy Pettitte came up through the system [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► Posada came up through the system but you don't have to so I like a famous [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► example of a guy who's everybody considers a real yankee but did not come [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► up through the system in fact even won his first World Series with the team was [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► Paul O'Neill number Pawlenty oh yeah absolutely right fielder who did he win [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► with before the rats ok he played like came up while he played for pete rose I [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► don't think he he might he might have been like a kid playing with on Pete [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► Rose Reds have to look up when he started but he if not he came up on the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► Reds in like the late eighties and I always love him because he was a hot it [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► is a type of guy who if he struck out here half the time and he tried gaudy [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► good on the clubhouse and take his bat to the Gatorade jug break the bad just [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► he just going on smash stuff and I always appreciate always love those guys [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► I was always a mcenroe fans love makin' right right yeah same type like a racket [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► smash but he's Ariz considered a real yankee will get everybody people say [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► well you know what's the key what's the secret you know you know when you see it [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► right it's like you know I C and guess what you gotta win by three in four [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► World Series writes all O'Neill won the World Series with the Yankees so he's [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► really a key right not that hard [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► Big Papi real red sock absolutely do you do with the twins though so the right [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► right I have to donate to come up with the organization Pedroia real red sock [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► drags a sign Pedroia senior something like that [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► Kobe Ellsbury not a real red zone maybe three signs signs yeah absolutely he [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► takes a whole lot of money somewhere else then yeah even with two rings with [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the team [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► Pedro Martinez yeah real red sock yeah that's right i mean he came up from the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► expos and he played for other teams but I think I think you know thirty years [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► from now you know Pedro shows up at Fenway and everybody you know there's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► going to be inviting him you know well how about one that's gonna it's gonna [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► hurt about Dave Roberts he was with the team for like half a season but that's [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► the biggest stolen base in the team's history that might be enough to earn it [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► I don't know I don't think so [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► alright I would also got technology let's let's move up the payout [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► story i think i think is the story about it was in business week couple days ago [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► about this Stephen Elop Nokia see all Nokia used to work at Microsoft and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Microsoft has since announced the acquisition of Nokia's handset business [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► so he's he's coming back and before the whole bomber resignation thing was [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► slated to take over like the devices wing of Microsoft which was gonna be [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► Nokia phones and Xbox right so I looked at this I looked at this briefly what [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► was what was interesting about a tu well it's a business week story that says [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► that three sources said this is what he loved would do he would run Microsoft [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► well and effectively here's how we would change it because you know it's sort of [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► goes instead but everybody have to assume that whoever is coming in to take [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► over Microsoft is gotta do something different because of something different [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► why the squeeze bomber [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► so he love has come out and he hasn't come out and said to be at three sources [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► went to Bloomberg and said that he would he would stop using office as a way to [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► keep people on Windows and Windows Phone and instead take office to as many [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► devices as the company could and I think the main one let's face it is gotta be [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► Iowa s right and and and the Mac just doesn't measure in enough numbers to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► rise in terms of percentage rate and I say this is as a guy you know me a long [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► time Mac user who use them accurate a speaking to a guy whose company offers [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► right is you know you ninety-something percent max offer you guys have some [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► Iowa stuff but couple hours while we have one Windows app as well but yeah [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► but me where max offer right that would be my description right now you guys [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► could stop making the other ones new business would be the same interview [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► stop making mac software but do you know the Grand number of potential Mac Office [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► users just not that big and that there are you know and there but they're also [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► for twenty-some years has done very well [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► Office for Mac is very popular on that very expensive right but it's a decent [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► profit so it's just us you know do member there used to be and I think it's [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the sort of thing where you kinda have to take the analysts word for it because [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► nobody really unveils it but it used to be said I think that the math kinda [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► holds up that Microsoft traditionally profits more her Mac sold then they do [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► per PC salt because the percentage of people who buy office for mac multiplied [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► by the price of Office for Mac is greater then yes greater than the cost [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► of windows that get slight diversion tickets licensed to the IOM's because [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► nobody normally Windows users don't buy the hundred and $29 copy of Windows they [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► buy they never upgrade they just get the version that comes with the PC and [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► install the free updates or service packs whatever they call them right and [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► eventually buy a new machine wright also comes with a license right and a lot of [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► they have office it came license to to them or if they have it work almost [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► certainly it's you know some kind of site license and its way lower whereas a [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► lot of Mac users are consumers and by the Hunterdon whatever dollar version of [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► Office right right was so that's the plan [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► the biggest part of the plan like you were saying was to have office be [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► everywhere instead of saying hey if you want office you probably won't windows [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► and if you don't want Windows maybe you can get on your Mac and is it on [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► anything else you must be on Windows Phone yeah but if you want office you [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► probably want to Windows platform or maybe a Mac but it's not on Windows [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► Phone its about propping up there it's used as a competitive cudgel to prop up [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► their platforms iOS itself and you know I guess they mention the Android [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► demeanor and whispers before that they've even considered taking office [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► standard and I think that that opened a whole can of worms terms of the whole [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► fragmentation and how many Android devices are even capable of it but [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► regardless it that the article made it sound as though that's what he would do [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► but like you said this was based on a bunt it was not him [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► they did not speak to him supposedly Lee's but they did say it was three [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► different sources and then this is Bloomberg News I mean we're just trying [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► out the new york times not being terribly reputable at the moment but [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► this is a relatively reputable news sources there I'd say the highly [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► reputable yeah you know I V everybody makes mistakes and you know anybody with [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► a perfect record but and the reporters are long you know I know one of them was [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► a member of Peterborough's Peterborough's is aces I mean he's is a [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► guy I mean I've never met him personally but I know you know decades of [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► experience you know reporting on this industry so is it possible that three [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► people smiled to BusinessWeek reporters I guess but I i I would bet my bottom [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► dollar that three people said it and business week is not the type of place [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► where three people who can't verify that they actually know steven you alright if [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► I call them up it's not going to create a story right Paul 67 [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► @ gmail.com send any emails as I was having drinks with steven is sitting [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► next to a guy who looked like Stephen Elop dolls and he says he's gonna he's [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► gonna sell the Xbox division now I mean somebody said this now you know it to me [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► that's fascinating though and it to me the more I think about it the more it [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► shows just how how bad the Microsoft situation has got you know that they [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► they've gotten to the point now where like perspective CEOs are fighting it [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► out in public like this in the in the media [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► yeah like behind the scenes this is obviously contentious this is not any [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► kind this is so definitely not a planned transition right that the infighting has [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► become public while the point where to the point where recently they were [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► talking to the media was talking to Bill Gates saying like hey are you gonna pull [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► a Steve Jobs and come back and save your company because they asked that because [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► it seems like they may be needed [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► I think he said no doubt he was pretty sure he wasn't gonna do that so yeah but [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► he did say in a big interview this week I forget where I was was it wired I [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► don't have a gate at an interview with The Financial Times in a bit there is a [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► financial times had a real long profile of them mostly about his charitable work [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► right address that and he did say though that he he is spending and has been [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► spending a lot more than the one day a week right or time that he planned to [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► leave and that he he definitely plans to you know have an active role with [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► whoever they choose as the next CEO so it might be real active because of him I [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► you know and they said it wasn't going to be him that I don't know I mean it's [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► you know a certain level you've gotta make a choice you know it's it's like [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► somebody's got to be the coach of the team and it's like when you've got a [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► former coach who still working in the organization it's like you know you've [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► got to decide you can come back and be the coach again are you kind of have to [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► give the ball to the new coach since you know let them sort of happy Varun and [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► he's in your shadow right somebody's in charge if you want if you want to be in [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► charge then take the job I think I don't think it works having somebody like I [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► mean you can be there was the phrase eminence Creuset [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► adviser behind the scenes here there is an adviser you know like her like when [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► when Marlon Brando became his son's conceivably air right he didn't he [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► wasn't the Godfather he wasn't running the family he was there is an adviser to [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► his son you can be that guy but then you know everybody knows michael Stone [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► charged right I just think in it and took to belabor the Godfather argument [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► go ahead there's the scene it's one of them just one of the best scenes cuz [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► it's so simple but Seoul logical that this is the way it's gotta be there at [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► the scene in the first one where they're having a meeting and sunny speaks up to [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► sort of you know jack to something and show that there's an argument in the [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► family and over which way to proceed with the drugs and stuff and then they [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► come out of the meeting and Brando is you know he's aight you don't ever let [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► anybody see that you know the fight you know you you know we do are fighting in [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► private right they were meeting with someone else right then why they you [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► know that's why they killed Sunday gives the other people [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► insight into what you're actually arguing about inside the organization [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► right and that to me is like what this thing going public with a plan a pretty [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► bold plan to you know [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► to focus on office rather than focus on their own platforms and you know said [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► that he'd consider selling the Xbox division are splitting it off you know [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it making that public is unseemly to me right and land [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► and what what I mean I guess that's the question is what is the benefit to doing [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► that because if you're if you're interested in the job if you want to be [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► the new CEO of the company you can present this plan to the board right [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► he's a high enough level person who can say like I need to speak to the board [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► this is what I would do he doesn't need to use you know the the media to do that [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► so what's the benefit to him of this league I don't think about that this [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► thing about that when I finish the show back on this topic but you take a moment [TS]

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01:03:20 ◼   ► in the same room you mean you all all remote 10 of us that are all remotes [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► exactly and I think it's not at all reviews but it's looking at the website [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► right now and I'm already interested exactly its ability you know having [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► meetings and stuff like that just kill you ok you need you need something like [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► this I mean I don't know if it's real or not but you're not sure if you don't [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► check it out [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► I think it looks great really cool look at apps get flow dot com I can I don't [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► see the AM with you I don't see the angle [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► what this does is a must be something and I only thing I can think of [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► something to the effect I like you said obviously if if he's actually being [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► considered for the job is of course he's going to present his plan to the board [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► the only thing I can think of is a big chunk of the board is resistant to this [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► plan and famous and and then there's public right support for it comes to [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► people who are on the board [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► guys there's a guy named Bill Gates and there's no guy named Steve Ballmer and I [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► think combined bomber in gates control just under 10% of the shares of the [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► company I think gates home including public as well yeah yeah and so you know [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► obviously their board seats are I think more influential than others because [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► they you know they actually control stock to only thing I can think of is [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► that there's some you know that thinks that by leaking this and public there's [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► a big chunk of other shareholders who agree that that's a good way to go [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► that's the way to do it right and that you know that they can put pressure on [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► the board to hire someone who's going to go in that direction so I where they [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► make the decision as it but so much my thought my thought is that you can see [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► the board is sort of against going another way and he wants the job enough [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► and thinks that by going public with it he can shift the board's thinking he's [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► only got a shot at the only way I can it makes any sense to me also I was you [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► mention this to me and I looked at this and I don't know too much about him so I [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► have you looked at his Wikipedia page let let me read you like three sentences [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► of the the opening paragraph of Stephen Elop Wikipedia page during the three [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► years [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► Elop was nokia CEO Nokia revenues fell 40% [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► Nokia profits fell 95 percent Nokia marketshare collapsed in smartphones [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► from 34% to 3.4% Nokia's credit rating went from a to junk Nokia's share prices [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► dropped sixty percent in value and Nokia's market cap lost thirteen billion [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► dollars in value the Financial Times calculated that Nokia shareholders ended [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► up paying a lot of owners of one million euros for every 1.5 billion in market [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► cap that he was able to destroy while nokia CEO I mean that's just brutal it's [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► pretty brutal it's a good way to put it I mean it seems to have been written by [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► someone with it a bit of a point of view but not necessarily an accurate I almost [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► feel like it's to Wikipedia is detriment that they like those are all statements [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► of fact right right but they are put together in a persuasive way that I feel [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► like Nokia [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► that Wikipedia sometimes tries to avoid right they want to have that neutral [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► yeah they don't want to be saying he's good or bad but this is clear it's a [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► good for Nokia you know if it's somebody else's said in us- politics at the facts [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► tend to have a liberal bias bright red [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► you could say he backs seem to have an anti Stephen Elop anti-gay bias absolute [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► yeah that's it doesn't really seem like a good way to get an upgrade to a bigger [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► that CEO job at a beer company know he might want to have someone sanitizers [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► Wikipedia page it possible that these people leak inform you can have somebody [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► had it as Wikipedia [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► you know and who know and I know it i mean this is not just conspiracy this is [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► a conspiracy of it I believe would be amount of some sort of securities fraud [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► although who knows [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► obviously international internet know what jurisdiction it would fall under [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► the country there in Finland Finland yeah is the allegation that because he [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► came from Microsoft right he was out he was out Microsoft before he went to be [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► the CEO of Nokia and Nokia went there and existing I just saw somebody on [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► Twitter the other day I was in an ad reply exchange of the couple people on [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► they said something we know somebody had said something about that just seems [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► like more and more that was a mistake for Nokia Windows Phone what we do go it [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► still couldn't otherwise it'd be on Symbian know they had a thing called me [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► go and they've been released one phone with it they had an intimate look kind [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► of interesting I mean it was ok with it [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► future looking platform Symbian was there all platforms and their MeeGo [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► platform was their potential competitor to Android and iOS and who knows maybe [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► would have been even worse but it was definitely not just like a slap a paint [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► on Symbian it was all knew it was a truly new system so that you know that [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► would have been the alternative but he came in and said no we're not doing [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► Symbian we're not doing what we're doing Windows Phone the allegation Noah guess [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► is the conspiracy allegations that he effectively never stopped working for [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► Microsoft and that his job was to do his job is to do what he did which is drive [TS]

01:09:12 ◼   ► their market cap down so that when Microsoft bought them it would be [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► cheaper I mean I don't even know is that a crime and I don't know I don't know [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► what you would get convicted of four that tho I don't know and the other [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► thing too that was so funny was with it came out was the severance pay severance [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► package but like the he got a huge bonus that he would rain that was talking [TS]

01:09:34 ◼   ► about was he got nineteen million euro bonus as the company was getting sold to [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► Microsoft for pennies right and it's all written in his contract so like if [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► you're the board and Nokia when you hired him when his lawyers come to you [TS]

01:09:48 ◼   ► with his contract says he would like to get a twenty million dollar bonus if he [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► drives this [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► the captain nothin and revenue shrivel up such that the company needs to sell [TS]

01:10:00 ◼   ► the hand say let's just say the handset business to write Microsoft revenue and [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► cash were down in the need to sell the handset business whether he would like a [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► twenty million dollar bonus in that situation and they they obviously said [TS]

01:10:17 ◼   ► sure I don't understand it I just know enough about it to laugh about it right [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► but there is a case that you could argue that if there was some kind of wink wink [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► nudge nudge you know hey here's what I think I'll do if I get this new kid that [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► you could see how maybe at Microsoft they do think that he did a good job [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► right he was successful in in tearing that company part of pride in the fact [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► that they're even considering him for the CEO gig lend credence to that [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► because otherwise why you know if that's his record with his record absolutely [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► you know what's his pizza I really hope to do the same Microsoft that I did when [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► I think my track record speaks for a job right right absolutely I'll have [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► Microsoft sold the Google with new career is for pennies on the dollar win [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► again and I would like a huge bonus when I mean what so Eva prediction on this [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► was the next CEO gonna be I think it's gonna be the guy from Fort I really do [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► just because of who's leaked it you know that it's I think it was the wall street [TS]

01:11:29 ◼   ► journal and I you know doesn't make any sense to me i mean but I don't know the [TS]

01:11:35 ◼   ► guy and I don't want to say that just because his primary experience is the [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► CEO of food [TS]

01:11:42 ◼   ► ford motor company that it means he couldn't be a good CEO of Microsoft but [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► you know and I don't know enough about him to say but it just doesn't seem to [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► me that a guy who [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► and forward good at anything that Microsoft needs right well yeah I mean [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► the you don't see great tech CEOs come out of the automotive industry I don't [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► know if there is any precedent for that [TS]

01:12:04 ◼   ► yeah I just really think that the CEO of the company that that in the consumer [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► space at all and Microsoft wants to be [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► you have to have some ability to judge Steve Jobs wasn't a designer he couldn't [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► you know sit down and designed examiners the famous story redesign the calculator [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► app but that wasn't as you know where he came from he was a judge of design now [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► and I know can Tim Cook doesn't do the same thing the jobs did but Tim Cook I [TS]

01:12:36 ◼   ► do think he you know he had decades of experience at Apple building these [TS]

01:12:42 ◼   ► devices you know he's very you know intimately familiar with what what an [TS]

01:12:45 ◼   ► Apple device and services right as you brought in somebody from Larry Page [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► Larry Page is a great example mean the guy you know literally was one of two [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► people who started Google I mean he did you know say what you want about what [TS]

01:12:59 ◼   ► Google's done and and how Larry Page has changed Google was been CEO but he [TS]

01:13:04 ◼   ► clearly understands cool you know I couldn't argue otherwise I just don't [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► see how a guy from Ford really understands Microsoft but I could be [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► wrong but I do I think that's what's going to be okay what's his name [TS]

01:13:17 ◼   ► Mulally or something like that yeah I saw that but I gotta catch the name is [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► he is he leaving the Vegas odds right now ford's Alan Mulally that's who I [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► think I think of Vegas posted odds on it I think it would be somebody had [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► somebody at odds on this didn't have few months ago somebody was somebody was [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► posted on human Axios gonna be in somebody will take your money on that [TS]

01:13:42 ◼   ► bed John here so Reuters hadn't exclusives just google Ennis Reuters had [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► an exclusive four days ago that they've narrowed the list too [TS]

01:13:54 ◼   ► three internal candidates including former Skype CEO Tony Bates I guess he [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► promises to build to bring escapes user interface clarity tell Jesus that's in [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► the article I made that Ford CEO Alan Mulally nokia CEO Stephen Elop Skype CEO [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► Tony Bates so I guess he's he's in Microsoft right now response today when [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► they acquired them he got some executive vice president a position and another [TS]

01:14:28 ◼   ► one satya open pronouncing 2010 and last name is easier Nadella ok but I'm not [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► sure if that's gonna get a two-man seems like it's pretty safe bet [TS]

01:14:44 ◼   ► unfortunately yeah but anyway Satya Nadella is right now Microsoft's cloud [TS]

01:14:51 ◼   ► and enterprise chief [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► right okay so those are the four according to Reuters alright but you're [TS]

01:14:58 ◼   ► gonna go put your money in Vegas we'll see I hope it is though it's a good I i [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► don't you know I would like to see microsoft also I can I don't know why [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► worries is somehow a poison pill in human form [TS]

01:15:14 ◼   ► yeah like that his only actual ability is the ability to further his own career [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► and just and teardown companies while he does it right you know so I kind of [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► rooting against him cuz i dont want to I wanna c Microsoft come out with some [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► awesome I wanted to be good mothers there's really so you mentioned that the [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► mail route guys wanted to make it clear that they did not work in Microsoft that [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► rivalry really does not exist anymore no I mean Windows Phone is interesting and [TS]

01:15:39 ◼   ► it doesn't seem like it's ever going to take off and I don't have much money [TS]

01:15:43 ◼   ► they can throw at it a lot but it hasn't worked so far no but I mean where it [TS]

01:15:48 ◼   ► that rivalry just so you know it's not interesting at all anymore [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► somebody a good tweet today so sorry just remember the tweet but I remember [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► who was time to get up there [TS]

01:15:58 ◼   ► they're just you could see how they're confused because on the one hand they're [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► competing against a pretty good OS and they were just talked about mobile which [TS]

01:16:07 ◼   ► is Android their target competing against Android which is pretty good and [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► totally free and free to anyone who wants it and on the other side they're [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► competing against a company that builds the whole stack hardware software [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► integrates it all and so you can see how they're confused and and seemed to be [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► trying to do something in between those two i mean they should be the Google in [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► this scenario right I would think so here's that I think though I think that [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► the thing that tweet missus where if every 10 ditto if you listen to the show [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► but I apologize for my money but I think the promise that the problem with [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► Android from Microsoft prospective isn't even that it's pretty good [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► the problem with it is that it's exactly what the customer wants and the [TS]

01:16:50 ◼   ► customers not the consumer the customer is carriers to carriers and companies [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► like Samsung where they get to do whatever the hell they want right that's [TS]

01:16:59 ◼   ► the group that's the big thing with Android that is so appealing to them you [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► want to put your own crap where I go ahead with it wasn't didn't maybe you [TS]

01:17:09 ◼   ► had this like I i know i thot somewhere with it [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► Microsoft is making an effort ton of money on Android you can say that word [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► ok they're making a fuck ton of money on Android [TS]

01:17:20 ◼   ► the patents that they own right somebody's and analysts said that it [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► would be two billion dollars a year right i mean that's a lot of money [TS]

01:17:28 ◼   ► especially like I don't know what Windows I mean it's not a huge amount of [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► money in the scheme of this but I wrote to it take it with your usual grain of [TS]

01:17:38 ◼   ► salt that some analysts at it I've never asked the guy but you can make it so [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► let's say somebody else I've heard that the figure is $5 of phone and I i an and [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► you know that's a lot of money when you're talking about you know the more [TS]

01:17:55 ◼   ► price-sensitive platform and and for no work and it's and it's also not every [TS]

01:18:01 ◼   ► Android phone so like the ones that are sold in China yet good luck getting [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► licenses on and it's clearly a lot but you know how do you get so error 400 [TS]

01:18:15 ◼   ► million Android phones sold in the West deep and respecting countries are now [TS]

01:18:21 ◼   ► that sounds like too many hundred million sounds too many and you have to [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► admit fight if if it is $5 of fun that's a number that's a high number to pay [TS]

01:18:30 ◼   ► licensing fees for know about no work but when I'm in the works done up front [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► they're not doing any continuing work right they're not even licensing code [TS]

01:18:41 ◼   ► they're just licensing the right to have code that does these things are like [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► whatever it is a lot of money to pay licensing for the company they didn't do [TS]

01:18:51 ◼   ► any the programming right and it would have to be if it is $5 a phone which i [TS]

01:18:56 ◼   ► think is a lot there would have to be four hundred million devices a year to [TS]

01:18:59 ◼   ► be two billion and multiply now that's right so I don't know why I say take it [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► with a grain of salt maybe it's less but if it's $5 a phone it could be 200 [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► million devices right i mean that sounds reasonable [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► the real point is they're making money off something that even if Android [TS]

01:19:19 ◼   ► succeeds there somehow being brought along with it in a way that it is very [TS]

01:19:24 ◼   ► strange as far as a platform rivalry goes right and I would think that that [TS]

01:19:30 ◼   ► might be you know that may be one of the things to where you enter into that [TS]

01:19:34 ◼   ► whole shipped vs sold debate that maybe they get their licensing fees no matter [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► what you like if I shipped from vs old yeah you know I like companies that have [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► had to take writedowns you know on exist you know on unsold devices and stuff and [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► you know that if you had the license thing that you may have to pay that when [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► you make the device right so I don't know it is kind of set and I do think [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► you know I think there's definitely an argument to be made that whatever the [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► figure is for Microsoft's Android patent royalties profits in that is greater [TS]

01:20:10 ◼   ► than the Windows Phone profits because they're probably losing money on Windows [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► from there have to be however popular is their advertising it more than [TS]

01:20:19 ◼   ► that right and they're clearly willing to do that for a couple of years while [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► they try and make it a viable platform right so that Android is profitable for [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► Microsoft to some degree maybe it's not two billion here but it's you know must [TS]

01:20:31 ◼   ► be in the hundreds of millions and Windows Phone is lost sir right so I [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► don't know maybe you know maybe the Elop argument you know I'm not even said I [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► didn't even get into that like weather actually think that's a good plan right [TS]

01:20:47 ◼   ► about the leaks and I won't I loved was and you mentioned it was the Microsoft [TS]

01:20:52 ◼   ► response to it [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► oh that's alright this is right up your alley you should read that read it I [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► don't have a ride from up this week thank you I can't believe I almost let [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► the show and i was i was gonna say I can't believe you you nearly missed this [TS]

01:21:11 ◼   ► year ago yeah I got it so it is Frank Shaw whose a Microsoft spokesman he said [TS]

01:21:18 ◼   ► in response to the Bloomberg article that supposedly reference these three [TS]

01:21:23 ◼   ► sources who none of whom were alot but who knows who they were you said we [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► appreciate Bloomberg's float foray into fiction and look forward to future [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► episodes I love Frank shot maybe I should shun the talk show he and it's [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► only ham saying he is the only PR person in Microsoft but he's the guy who when [TS]

01:21:46 ◼   ► the press calls that he almost always the spokesperson I C and he just lets it [TS]

01:21:53 ◼   ► fly he answers the phone and he gives a real answer yeah he gives a real answer [TS]

01:21:57 ◼   ► and no other company of that size does that certain Apple AAPL in my mind I [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► don't know that Apple has any spokespeople I don't tell them that [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► existed apple cos it's always declined comment [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► Apple has how I guess they don't have spots are people they have a ton of PR [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► people and they never respond to anything good job in the world right I [TS]

01:22:23 ◼   ► don't know that I've ever seen a story that Apple has responded responded yes [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► I feel like maybe there's a couple of cases I'm trying to think I know trudy [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► it it's it's like an antennagate kind of scenario where they have to say [TS]

01:22:43 ◼   ► something they cannot just sit there are not say anything [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► also the time like like this story that we were talking about at the at the top [TS]

01:22:49 ◼   ► of the show they didn't respond to that they're not gonna say anything about [TS]

01:22:52 ◼   ► that right and when they do respond it is you know there's that hid things I [TS]

01:22:59 ◼   ► think that they they they give some kind of response to the allegation when those [TS]

01:23:03 ◼   ► jokers came out with the if you get a 1200 dpi fingerprint [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► phenomenally high quality right and you know you have the expertise to take that [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► and printed on special laser printer jury rigged to use extra toner and then [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► imprinted onto a piece of silicon and then used that you can then unlock the [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► phone saying that that's an interesting in that it it's cool that somebody [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► showed that you could do it in a row somebody who's a professional at faking [TS]

01:23:37 ◼   ► fingerprints which I'm sure is a real security issue could that would fake a [TS]

01:23:43 ◼   ► touch I D sensor the issue is is that actually easier than learning somebody's [TS]

01:23:47 ◼   ► four-digit passcode but anyway I do think that somebody at Apple gave a [TS]

01:23:52 ◼   ► statement on that but the statement was just such ideas designed for the [TS]

01:23:56 ◼   ► security and convenience of iPhone customers right it was boring yeah it's [TS]

01:24:00 ◼   ► nothing it's nothing statement whereas Frank Shaw will get out there and say [TS]

01:24:03 ◼   ► that's freakin ridiculous but he's gonna do that or you know that sounds like a [TS]

01:24:09 ◼   ► great plot point for the next oceans 14 right right you know in the meantime in [TS]

01:24:14 ◼   ► the real world you know we've made phones more secure right love a guy he'd [TS]

01:24:20 ◼   ► see also let it fly on Twitter too and it's not like just under 20 it's under [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► his own name [TS]

01:24:25 ◼   ► it's like Frank shaw's Twitter handle any and that's cool too he's giving it a [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► cool middle middle initial yeah yeah I mean almost everybody should have axes [TS]

01:24:35 ◼   ► middle initial why did you lose a little of the cache 800 I not everybody should [TS]

01:24:41 ◼   ► I would say everybody would sound cooler [TS]

01:24:44 ◼   ► Paul acts crosses and how it's sweet that is pretty sweet it it's it's kind [TS]

01:24:49 ◼   ► of a mouthful to say but it would look cool right right John Jackson John X [TS]

01:24:54 ◼   ► grouper good it's a good one [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► yeah frank shock let it fly nobody does PR like Frank show I want to see what I [TS]

01:25:03 ◼   ► mean its own you know like lake is that gonna be an issue when the new CEO comes [TS]

01:25:09 ◼   ► in as new CEO gonna be like with this case like how they clearly bomber [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► supports it and that's I almost doesn't surprise me you know 'cause bombers a [TS]

01:25:21 ◼   ► little abominable slipped maybe maybe fracture that should be the new Zea you [TS]

01:25:29 ◼   ► know what maybe he should I don't know anything about his business expertise [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► but he knows how to pitch a quote so far what I had I had one more story and we [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► can you can tell Caleb to cut it before this if you want but this was not what [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► you said a bunch of stuff to me I had one for you [TS]

01:25:47 ◼   ► the Twitter IPO happened this past week alright not terribly interesting to me [TS]

01:25:52 ◼   ► as as a technologist or anything like that but did you see who rang the [TS]

01:25:58 ◼   ► opening bell for them at No [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► so it was you who was then I'll tell your story heard from somebody I know it [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► whether it was Patrick Stewart who is a fairly prominent Twitter user [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► Patrick Stewart I'm sorry I didn't mean to you know I don't go for the SIR [TS]

01:26:11 ◼   ► nonsense I'm an American alright Patrick Stewart then why was he spoke at an even [TS]

01:26:17 ◼   ► now as Captain Picard get your ID card there we go [TS]

01:26:20 ◼   ► the card the woman who runs the Boston Police Department's Twitter stream I [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► don't have her name but it was you know another prominent Twitter user [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► especially in the wake of what happened you know six months ago in Boston and a [TS]

01:26:34 ◼   ► nine year old girl who has done used Twitter to raise a whole lot of money [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► for charity [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► ending human trafficking so basically you know prominent and useful Twitter [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► users basically and that's who they had you know the the founder of the company [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► to Costello and Jack Dorsey in homes were all there but they were not the [TS]

01:26:54 ◼   ► ones ream the actual bell which is a sort of ceremonial role right and so you [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► know it's interesting it and they said you know we wanted to give back to [TS]

01:27:02 ◼   ► Twitter and show this is this is we respect our users and and whatever but [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► the story that I heard and I i can attribute this at all but it's it's to [TS]

01:27:11 ◼   ► someone from someone at Twitter was that what they were trying to do was avoid [TS]

01:27:14 ◼   ► what they call be smiling assholes photo which is the photo that you get of the [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► founders of a company like Groupon or what's the game company Zynga where they [TS]

01:27:29 ◼   ► rang the bell and it's the founders and they're looking up there and you know [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► whatever their popped collar polo or whatever their wherein and six months [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► down the line all their investors have gotten totally screwed and this photo of [TS]

01:27:41 ◼   ► them getting super rich still exists and and they just look like smiling axles so [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► I thought it was a pretty good move to you know who is and who knows what can [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► happen to the Twitter stock in six months but at the at the very least [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► there will not be a photo of Jack Dorsey and Evan Williams and a Costello looking [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► ecstatic about the billions of dollars they just made i wouldn't want to ring [TS]

01:28:03 ◼   ► the bell because they thought or just in general [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► well both I don't know I mean do you think Steve Jobs rang the bell when [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► apple and IBM I just googled Steve Jobs Apple IPO and all that comes up our [TS]

01:28:16 ◼   ► pictures of Steve Jobs holding an iPod [TS]

01:28:19 ◼   ► if things you spelled out cause I think their IPO is so long ago that it's you [TS]

01:28:26 ◼   ► know it was there was in seventy six or eight or so it predates the [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► now now when it was was the nasdaq around back I don't know I know for a [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► while Apple traded on NASDAQ I mean that's what they are on now isn't it [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► are they I don't even know it used to be more of a difference now who even knows [TS]

01:28:45 ◼   ► I mean I know right you know yet know that they've been on the nasdaq for a [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► long time but I i dont know that existed when they came out [TS]

01:28:51 ◼   ► the nasdaq is just a whole bunch of computers right yeah I don't know you [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► might be right I don't know maybe they don't I just assumed that they might [TS]

01:29:00 ◼   ► have been on the New York Stock Exchange originally right right yeah that doesn't [TS]

01:29:04 ◼   ► seem like you know what I think it must have been a whole deal with the Twitter [TS]

01:29:12 ◼   ► was going on the New York Stock Exchange trying to avoid the problems the [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► Facebook ad right with with the whole on the nasdaq yeah and thats why nobody [TS]

01:29:20 ◼   ► rang the bell [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► I thought I see now I thought I did hear something about them so maybe Nasdaq [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► does have a BS ceremonial belt like a guy in a dataset ride rider powering on [TS]

01:29:33 ◼   ► a computer at the start of China start up the centrist 650 that runs the nasdaq [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► well for Facebook yet it looked like it was I had some about Twitter the IPO I [TS]

01:29:54 ◼   ► just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

01:29:54 ◼   ► just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► makes during fireball me a lot different than a lot of texas i got really care [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► you know yet did you cover added you mentioned I don't think I you doing to [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► it at all just doesn't matter to me the only put the only aspect of it that I [TS]

01:30:11 ◼   ► find interesting as a user is that it secures that Twitter is for the near [TS]

01:30:17 ◼   ► future is gonna remain an independent company that there's nobody who's going [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► to acquire them right they won't get caught up on google or fix that's been [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► clear for a couple of years you know that the IPO to me as a user is really [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► more of a a a cap on the assumption that they're going to remain independent as [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► opposed to selling to Google or Facebook or something like that but it's been [TS]

01:30:40 ◼   ► clear for at least two years that they were going to stay independent they got [TS]

01:30:43 ◼   ► and headed towards an IPO greatly during the father funny thing and it you know [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► it's like the who is the beetle that pete best and yet the drummer yeah [TS]

01:30:54 ◼   ► that's the other thing that i dont wanna rub it in you know just because [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► companies missed out on her own ever but it always seems like yahoo is the right [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► like every single IPO there's a story about how like six years earlier hype [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► Yahoo almost bought Twitter for it was like twelve million dollars they made an [TS]

01:31:14 ◼   ► offer for ya right and they're like maybe and then like somebody Yahoo is [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► actually go to 49 [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► like it was probably like Williams our decade or so you have you know sitting [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► there like if they go to 14 and then like the phone doesn't ring and Li [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► alright alright we're not back to where the famous one for that is Google right [TS]

01:31:38 ◼   ► Yahoo tried to buy Google and then and now Google's eat their lunch break and I [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► think the Google offer I could be wrong but it was preposterous lilo compared to [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► work in a fifty million dollars or something but it you know it's like in [TS]

01:31:52 ◼   ► in the midst of me saying this particular sentence Google is made fifty [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► million trade at this point so it's pretty sad that just seems like it's [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► always Yahoo and hoodia well but that well to be fair that's old Yahoo [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► hopefully Yahoo's I I don't know how you feel about it i hope they do well i i i [TS]

01:32:12 ◼   ► own a few shares their stock but I hope they do well in the future as it's [TS]

01:32:16 ◼   ► interesting to have a few competitors out there but that's that's Yahoo from [TS]

01:32:19 ◼   ► 45 years ago [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► well and the other thing too is that my hopes for long-term success of Yahoo [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► would be original products from Yahoo coming not just not just them somehow [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► finding the original things to buy and do well but I mean they bought Flickr [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► right yeah that's what have they done that's original at this point [TS]

01:32:45 ◼   ► well here's a good example I mean you can't hold it against the current [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► leadership because they've only you know Myers on there for a year but you know [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► there's a good example where clearly what they should have done after they [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► bought Flickr is you know that there never should have been an Instagram [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► you know I am owning Flickr should have made instruments right and the rise of [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► the iPhone and you know it should not have taken been too hard for someone in [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► you know as Twitter was taking off and the iPhone was taking off or 2008 let's [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► say you know when the iPhone was kinda clearly wow this is a thing right to say [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► well quicker should obviously be huge on the iPhone and what's the right format [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► for that [TS]

01:33:30 ◼   ► you know like Twitter to stream of images from your friends and you know [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► format that's friendly for fun sized screens right and make it easy to take [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► pictures on the phone and send them and in the meantime they spent five years [TS]

01:33:44 ◼   ► with the design was mentor you know where do you like 2005 right laptop [TS]

01:33:50 ◼   ► displays and their mobile interface was designed for like flip phones alright [TS]

01:33:58 ◼   ► that's good we made in our only masturbate 49 minutes [TS]