The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► you had a rough week this week huh well with the baseball baseball and then you [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► got owned by colossus just one after another [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► cares who has some tiny tiny men exactly I mean I dont care im not superstitious [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► superstitions are for Red as he says everything you need Nova Red Sox fans [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► they did you know when they built the new Yankee Stadium a couple years ago [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► there was some goofball guy in the construction crew who apparently are [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► supposedly purportedly reputedly put a Red Sox jersey in like I provide a [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► concrete thing you know [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► boorda columnist Dan and then they went up like ripping it out or something I [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► don't even know it was there who does stuff like that they were cursed at 86 [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► years or whatever it was they didn't curse they just stunk that's it do is it [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► superstitious Red Sox fans who thought it was a curse [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► whereas Yankee fans to said you know there are they stank [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► good team this year though good team my elderly relatives and call the Yankees [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► bombs always the bombs those bombs always way but they were Yankee fans [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► yeah he's the bombs huh I thought I was that there was also what they used to [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► call the the Brooklyn Dodgers yeah I think it's what every person who grow in [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► our new york city seventy years ago there are bumps [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► big week for you last week do you got to review our aim yeah spending all his [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► podcasts on demand we gonna have here are our little you know the media and on [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► a call the ecosphere call it but they know the way that there's a bunch of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► Kamal maybe well but it's more than that though there's also people who aren't [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► cabal implies that where there's a plan and there's not yet exactly it's just [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► you know that there are now shows and there's more websites and stuff like [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that but a lot of people have shows and now you can we can we as you know indeed [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► whatever we ours but when we have something big in new come out when I had [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► Vesper come out last year you when you know you've got the big really it's [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► called them reviews but they're almost like short concise books if you think of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► them as short concise books they don't seem so long but now we can do what like [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► actors do when the movie comes out as you go on a bunch of shows and you let [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► people know yeah I'm I'm hoping that like when I try to do is gonna have to [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► do that so I don't have to go on all the shows that I don't want to go on it is [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► go on the shows that I do wanna go on and that narrows down considerably [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► like it I don't feel compelled to just you know tons and tons of offers I can i [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► cum on her own and that is always you know offers here and there but it seems [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► this comes out everybody wants to PC on I have two luxury unlike the people of [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► the Gulf promote a movie to write to pick and choose the right so but like so [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► you not gonna go on guy English is stupid show now I know I will just like [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► I couldn't I like literally couldn't fit in the schedule you know what time do a [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► podcast I have like after the kids are in bed and even then usually only on [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► weekdays and just you know when I'm booked up on bucked up five slots [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► weekend and doing five things a night of my life angry so I can believe that [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► trying to get that under control my wife bangers should be happier so how would I [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► do it has a reaction gone to the to the review was good I guess people started [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► taking for granted like I think it you know I think it's been tapering off the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► past few years in terms of just attention on the Mac at all and so the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► people who like it's still really really like it like that's my that's my core [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► audience of the people who do like what I do really really like it but then [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► everyone else like this thing around I guess like if you look at the the [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► histogram of [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► that's what up until like pages quote-unquote pages but not really a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► good look at the histogram of who visits you know the first page second page [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► third page of whatever looks like a big you ship tons of people that the first [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► page and tons of people read the last page and people who read the middle not [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► so much so it's always been like that but now you don't just does well a lot [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► of people read it but I think just the interested in general is people are as [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► excited in Amenas attempt one-tenth major release like you know it's like I [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► did I guess they're still doing that Mac thing let's learn about it a little bit [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► and that everything about doing for iOS to [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► I don't want to do them for iOS I don't feel like I mean I do the MCA's I've got [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► a history in 1984 and everything I've been an iOS users since pretty much they [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► want to win just doesn't feel the same to me you know doesn't is not that's not [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► my thang some kid who was 12 years old and 2007 should be doing these iowa's [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► reviews you know I mean like home [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► iOS is that that seminal technology moment in their life after me that was [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► the Mac whether it's not I was not that for me lol if you look at my reviews iOS [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► is just like the shadow that looms over the entire thing because it's hard to [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► even talk about the Mac without you know comparing comparing it to iOS and [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► thinking about how it is a reaction to our west or how I was maybe reaction to [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► what it's doing like it's impossible to do [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► interview without talking about ISO I do but I wouldn't want to review the OS [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► proper yet so you know the words it's it's it's your obsession with Pakistan [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► that drives it does not just you want to be it's not just that you want to have a [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► big comprehensive review of something that Apple's done it this is the daily [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you really you know your your mind just naturally latches onto wanting to know [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► all these details and I like and I like Max better like things you can do with [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► them in a lot of the technology things I'm talking about like they're probably [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► equivalents and iOS or they may have started IRS or whatever but maybe it's [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► because I have more back on but it seems like a lot of these things I can get [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► more technical info about the details of OS 10 from Apple doesn't going to be a [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► recession so much more likely to see some in-depth and users and developers [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► really don't need to know that information but they're gonna talk [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► they're going to talk about it in a presentation then you would for iOS and [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► I guess [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► jailbreak ios Center in there with the buggers and poking and prodding it could [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► do a similar type of thing but Apple is not offering up that information as [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► readily as they have historically offered it up for the magazine is like [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► the dev tools and stuff which is common to all platforms and that could be in [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► and I was worried just as easily as an artist interview but I like the you know [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► weird things in this post I know stan has involved the more like its older and [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► so if you look back even though I 07 as big radical break if you compare you [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► know iOS will 136 and then seven that's just like the first quarter of West [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► End's history of the way it's changed and how just look and feel interface [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► technologies underpinning everything that the time before Iowa's existed [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► compared to the time after I was 10 has been through a lot because I was still a [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► spring chicken so it's maybe not as interesting from a historical [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► perspective quite yet [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► one thing that stuck out to me and part of it is the fact that this is the 10th [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► one and that makes the math a lot easier is you can divide and just sort of [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► figure well over the lifetime of Mac OS two even write it sometimes even I know [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► it's hard I tried I am trying to train myself out of it it's like one of those [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► ways around its coverage only cause to me that putting the Mac in Mac OS 10 it [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► just jumps out at you and there's no confusion whereas with iOS and OS 10 it [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► is it's all about that OS and to me it's one of those then then I can get [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► confused and I would write the wrong one or if I'm reading somebody else's read [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► it the wrong way up on reading and like everyone read so much into dropping of [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► the Mac and I still don't quite understand the thinking behind it [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► doesn't just the basic like well it's it's 11 fewer words simplification right [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► but they can drop the mappings then you could have a stint on on Mac platforms [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and you know fast-forward like four years and like now I'm not so much [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► yeah there and I was one of those ones and God bless my readers but I was like [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► one of those ones where it was I mean like 30 or 40 emails over the next day [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► or two from people who all suggesting the same thing that it meant that Apple [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► was gonna license tho asked to you know probably not everybody but maybe like [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► just for example just Dell Dell make me like I could knows you know who knows [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► how these asians come to pass but you know there was that brief moment where [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► they were trying to say Oosten was like the common platform Mac OS 10 or iPhone [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► OS Mac OS tend to like three days when that was the case and then they [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► backpedaled and then later you know took off the Mac again like you know it could [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► be preparing for possibly doing that are running in the US and something that's [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► not a Mac because it's like a TV thing or would like who knows what you know [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► but they just it seems to have a mind of its own psyche what we're doing this [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► name change and if if the name change was really going to be linked to higher [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► licensing at you think will be announced at the same time it's not like you you [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► change the name first and then announced a licensing later [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► so the name change like has a life of its own and it's one of those things [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► where Apple able to explain why you're trying to ask Apple about you know what [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► to do with like the new iPad when you know and they were just they you know I [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► was like talking to her political anyway it was like talking points yeah they all [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► said the same thing they like you know we have a speech every time you ask us [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► we just like to call the new iPad like they're reading from an index card right [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► but it's in a way that is utterly a a part of nonpartisan is nothing to do [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► with left-to-right liberal conservative Republican Democrat all of them are the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► same here when you get one of them in public especially like on a campaign for [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► election day you just cannot knock them off the talking points even if you have [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► a question that none of the talking points [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► answer will just pick one of them in it and then end up like a non sequitur it [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► while Apple is as disciplined or even more disciplined than political [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► campaigns at the top of their game because some political campaigns you [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► know good reporters can can you know trip them up or whatever but the very [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► best most efficient political machines cannot be tripped up and they speak with [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► one voice and they stick to the talking points and execute this strategy and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► it's like talking to a brick wall I mean you know who cares for products and a [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► big deal with Apple implies that strategy to great effect so they don't [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► want to explain why they changed names they're not going to and in the grand [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► scheme of things it doesn't really matter so we're just left to you know [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► scratch our heads and go well call now so I have a little background on that [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► and it's not definitive and i cant you know it's it's off the record and again [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► it's not definitive so I could be wrong but somebody that was telling me that [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► they had the name iPad Aaron mind all along or at least you know like this [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► product was on the road map for a while and then you don't want to call it [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► iPad air but that wanting to call this year's new full-size iPad there when [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► they could make it this size in this way [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► was why they stopped putting the numbers after [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► iPad 3 and four because they felt like if they did two more iPads with numbers [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► it would create it would make the iPad air when I come out of it wasn't called [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► the five make it seem like it I I think they over think stuff like this that it [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► would you know that once you get two for it would have to be 5 to be better than [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► before but they didn't want to call it that they want to call it there so they [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► just stopped just had too much but they didn't but everybody I just call them [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► everybody else I we call them the iPad 3 and iPad for ya like that that strategy [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► whether they thought it was a good idea or not like all they did was traded a [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► future scenario in which people expected number that's one big in the previous [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► number for a more present scenario right people had almost all the same stuff [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► happened when it was the new iPad and so all that stuff that happened that's what [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► they were trying to avoid it was shifted forward in time but just like whatever [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► you know I think it's reasonable to take the numbers off the thing but if it was [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► their strategy to like we don't we don't want that burden on top of the air we [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► want that burden now on top of the iPad 3 you got what you wanted in the flip [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► side of that too is it makes me think that they're going to stick with the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► numbers for the iPhone if they thought about that and they didn't want to have [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► these numbers and not you know eventually go away for the iPad then why [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► would why are they still numbering iPhones so while you wait wait wait for [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► the drop a number of the iPhone and then you know three years later the iPhone [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► air this can be a thickness of a credit card is gonna exactly that's a good way [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► to maybe I also think in general that not that they're not good at naming [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► things but they're not good at explaining why they need things I think [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► even to themselves that they just you know even without Steve Jobs there even [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► as it goes on it's sort of you know they just picked names that feel right [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► whether there's any sense to it or not they don't care or names that feel wrong [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► like MacBook [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Marcus talking about now I mean it's you know you get used to anything anything [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► but like you just have to judge a name like when you first see it and say is [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► this name have any awkward aspect of it that's weird and what am i training that [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► awkwardness for my train that awkwardness for better brand name [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► recognition for the word mac we just took it out of the OS names I'm not sure [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► what the grand strategy is their iPod and iPad relying on this you know [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► different vowel sound and very similar looking letters to distinguish not the [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► greatest but you know it worked out in the end like iPod Touch people call it [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the itouch like it's kind of a mess and in the end the names don't matter that [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► much but certainly I would say naming is not consistent naming is not Apple [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► structure you know you had to pick a weakness that's where we are recording [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► us on Halloween evening I was out trick-or-treating with the boy and his [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► friends earlier this evening when they had kids dads who knows what I do ask me [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► he says he wants to get a new 13 inch notebook or laptop or whatever and [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► wanted to know which one you should get a book or the MacBook Pro and never I [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► don't think I've ever heard that one before the name if you're not in if you [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► don't follow the stuff that sounds and they'll get in the front of them this AM [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► certain areas like in the mix [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► sometimes there's mac and is a pad and pods and people don't know people don't [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► care I think I could answer form I think I think that's become a very easy [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► decision to make just a little bit off topic here but to choose which MacBook [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► to buy if you're I think I think if you spend a lot of time running off the [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► battery you should get there [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► air and if you spend most of your time with the AC cord plugged in and you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► should spend the extra couple hundred bucks and get that pro I think the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► screen is still a factor in my mind I get the Pens of you think people care [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► but I think even regular people who know what a bad viewing angle is like they [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► don't they can't articulate it but the life you know it it's the case that a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► lot of people still can't tell you anything written and unwritten but [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► everybody can tell the difference between you know I P S and TN panels [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► like they just you know the screen doesn't quite look as good as if you had [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► a slightly off angle that's that's the one remaining weakness of the area and I [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► still recommend it was so much easier to recommend it when none of the none of [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the machines are right now I'd like there is that there was a honeymoon [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► period where which laptop max I get the default answer was 13 inch air and you [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► know and then you get his wall from there and now it's like 13 inch air but [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► have you seen the screen on the 13 inch red not even before the revisions that's [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► those things look so nice and if you're gonna be spending all day looking at the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► actual laptop screen especially now that 13 inch you know an on-air is getting so [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► thin it's it's a harder decision [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► yeah it's pretty comfortable to like maybe I'm a little off but I think it's [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► getting pretty close to the weight of the original Thirteen age there's as I [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► quite there but like if you like I guess I just imagine the original air but it [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► didn't taper [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► sorry just stuff with extra battery like a bazillion times faster better battery [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► life and you know everything else so much better but let me take a timeout [TS]

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00:17:25 ◼   ► people have acquired them to Drobo product [TS]

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00:17:38 ◼   ► hardware you buy it and you plug it in to your home network or your office or [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► you can buy to your home or office sign in with the same account and what is it [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► do it works like Dropbox it just stinks that any files you put on it [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► between each one if you have more than one and all the max you sign into on the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► same account what's the advantage of it while it's your device you control it [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► you know where it is and there is no cloud component the only part that [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► online that these guys do is the magic to sort of poke holes through your [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► router your you know your home network your office network they don't do any [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► storage though all they do is connect sort of the peer-to-peer basis just sort [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► of get you through the you know what he called the firewall whatever you want to [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► call it the router my time I seen this right on fire while he got a final they [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► don't store your stuff on any kind of cloud-based system and I can't imagine I [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► says her attorneys guys come on I I really can't imagine the the i mean it's [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► a terrible complicated and and [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► political situation with the US government and an essay in the spine and [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► stuff like that that's going on with leaks coming every single week I can't [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► even imagine for thought that went into them launching this product about a year [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► ago and then to have this next year of news break out like this in terms of [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► trying to convince people why you might want to take control and ownership of [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► your distributed ubiquitous everywhere you go [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► file storage they have an app for the iPhone so you can use that you can [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► connect to your stuff from wherever you are even on your phone too great product [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► really as works very simply very quietly it's just it it completely unobtrusive [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► piece of hardware that is one thing I was 18 when I first heard about it [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► months ago my first thought was what do I really want to hook up I'm lazy I [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► really am and older I get the laser really wanna hook up some kinda [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► complicated you know piece of storage hardware this thing is adorably little [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► cute i mean it's you know fits in the palm of your hand very simple to setup [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► quiet all the good things you could say about it [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► where you go find out easy you go file transporter dot com slash talk TLK short [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► code that way they won't know that you came from the show [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► cheap you can do things what was the starting cost for this thing done you [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► know as you say this point your show to 299 I think of the new one that doesn't [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► have the hard drive into the cheaper than they do sell empty one that you can [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► supply your own hard drive for something like that there's one you can get 1 to [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► get your own unlimited private cloud here it is it's brand new a new device [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► $99 that's the little park shape on as a little punk ship one to find anything I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► should also add is nothing no fees you don't pay fees no painting kind of [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► monthly thing you buy that it's it's it's like a boy like you you give them [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► money for hardware and then it just runs for free after that no monthly fees you [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► did buy the thing and really it's it's great if you're a nerd you want to buy [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the one that doesn't come with a hard drive you put your hard drive in an [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► otherwise you can get one from them at all set up ready to go right out of the [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► box so check them out filed transporter dot com slash talk at this new [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► partnership one looks adorable reminds me of the old Griffin thing member that [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► Griffin [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► other big knob turned or something yeah it was like this it was this hardware [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► thing you plug in USB and or is it so cold that it was ADB I think it was a [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► big with USB and it was just to you does dial and you can like software you could [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► make it [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► control your volume you could if you wanted instead you can have it scroll [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► would ever after in Kabul with it I'm sure you could you must have been able [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► to be criminal not to leave play kaboom that was my favorite one of my favorite [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► games for 2600 was a very good game there is a there was a whole there any [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► way you want to call that there is a huge honour of classic video games which [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► was going side to side caching things [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► dial control electives could be just be childhood no rosy rose-colored childhood [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► memory but I would love for someone to hook one of those things up to find like [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► a TV with IRF interface and everything [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► i hook up with period correct hardware and see what is the latency between when [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you turn that little analog knob and when you know the image moves on the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► screen it just felt like you were directly connected wired up to that [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► little stack of things trying to catch up as they fall maybe the leg was [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► horrendous and I just don't remember because I was so young but in my memory [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that was the most responsive I move part of my body and an image moves on the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► screen interface that I can remember Tory called it the paddle right they [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► call them that that controller maybe that was the only device will maybe [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► there's a newer ones that come but it was one of the weird things about or is [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► it came with two sets of controllers you had said a joy sticks and a set of [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► powell as it was for two totally different games are types of games my [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► favorite of the genre was circus atari remember that one does not ring a bell [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► who it was a really good one it was the same type of thing is you were a clown [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► on a teeter totter and it just went side to side and then you add a partner who [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► would jump on a trampoline to start and you had to catch him and you know you [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► had to catch him on the upside of the teeter totter and then he would shoot [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► you up in the air and then you'd be the No [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► disco side to side and they were balloons to pop it was breakout really [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► but instead of you know I don't know what the premise and breakout is your [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► clouds popping balloons yeah my my one friend with the 2600 must not have had [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that game it was good and it didn't look good it sounded so stupid because of [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► spaceships too many guns you know the box you know showed you that you were a [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► clown so is one of those 14 we got it right when we got our family 2600 for [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► Christmas but I never played it and one day I was home sick like the flu or [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► something miss school and I was sick and not now I was sick but I was also [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► tired bored of all the games I had and then I realized there is the circus star [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► game that it never really played in and put it in and had like us like seven [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► continuous hours just played it look it up is a good one but it would be if it [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► was absolutely dependent upon the panel would make any sense of the joystick [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► yeah I think the latency was pretty good on his things I seem to recall that you [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► can get it was really you can get very precise I don't think I don't think [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► there was much again I we could just be the haze of twenty thirty 30 years she's [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► of memories but it seems that you know is very simple [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► you know there wasn't much going on there wasn't much processing going on I [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► mean it was just electrical impulses from the paddle into the thing and then [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► do shoot-em-up on the TV is a great book on this that I have not read but I keep [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► meaning to call tracing the beam yeah I think I got a copy of that book like [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► like they'd make a courtesy copy is the writer during fireball and it's like I [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► never read it but I it's somewhere on my list of books actually want to read and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► I think the title is a reference to the practice of of trying to do computations [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you know the electrons being the scanning left to right to left to right [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► during the rosa time of the television in New Year CRT and it was you know [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► there wasn't enough memory to do anything for an entire screen image so [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► what you would do is do some calculations in the beam was started [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► draw them and then you would ditch what you did it start doing new calculations [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► before the beam got to the road that you are figuring out what was going to look [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► like right I think that's one of the reasons they end up not having read the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► book I'm surmising based but that's that's what makes you think it must have [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► been pretty darn responsive is that you just so little to work with and so [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► little to do that how could you take time to do anything because you know [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► everything had to be respond immediately there was no like big long hard thinking [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► about what you gonna do you didn't have time you just have to figure out with [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► dr. going to be in throwing up on the screen and reacting but immediately [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► one of my friends from college I don't think he listened to the show but if [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► he's out there hello Andrew Ross good friend from college Banaue reads the [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► site and he corrected me a couple weeks ago somehow pac man came up on during [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► fireball and I called the bad guys [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► ghosts but they weren't ghosts they were monsters that was there for you know [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► what were the bad guys impact man according to the official game they were [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► monsters but at re called them ghosts for the Pacman version or the Atari [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► version of pac-man because they couldn't figure out a way to animate all for them [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► at the same time and so they did they would dry each of them only one-fourth [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► of the time and so they looked Flickr and transparent because they were only [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► drawing one at a time of the four ghosts are formed monsters so they decided this [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► instead of calling it a bug they renamed them ghosts and called it a feature all [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they do look kinda like those they do look kinda like right thing with a sheet [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► over its head right holes cut in like a ragged bottom to the sheet you know [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► right so if it quite well beyond the monsters thing is just sounds like a you [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► know a bad translation of whatever the word is in Japan for these things like [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► well roughly means monster will probably because you're talking to that Web stock [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► now you know what I think well maybe I was maybe it was maybe it was my website [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► maybe that's what it was I don't even think I linked to that talked under the [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► maybe he just saw it on somebody else yeah I don't know how I saw it but [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► whatever may be just the web stock account someone who retweeted it or [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► whatever and I do think though that you're right though no reason that I [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► remember them as ghosts because they do they have that that that classic you [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► know she'd she'd over ahead look like when Charlie Brown special yeah and in [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► simi kids dress like that [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► me neither [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► good costumes on the kids but it's alright I mean we don't get a lot of [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► kids here again like maybe you know three quarters of a bowl of candies with [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► the kids and they like younger kids with parents some of them are cute but [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► nothing super impressive also not not a lot this year not a lot of the kids who [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► are not really dressed up like the kids are a little bit too old and didn't even [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► put in the effort to put on a thing for just 13 candy to trick or treating is in [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► my wife goes out with the kids and I am the person who mans house so you know we [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► can hand out to be a good neighbor whatever and let me tell you you can [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► learn not everything needed no but you can learn a hell of a lot in about three [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► seconds but every kid that comes to your door [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► based on how they deal with the candy situation because some some some people [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► when you come to the door they let you know immediately how it's gonna be [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► I i just simply extend the bowl and do not offer any advice about how many can [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► you should take or anything like that some kids asked how many can we take [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► some kids don't ask just take one some condone asking take two hands the kids [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► like some kids try to take one say thank you and then rotate around their friend [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► coming the other side take another one and you could just like I should have [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► taken his kids name down right I got your number yet ok I know about you ok [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► just it is a thirty second personality tests for very young children how they [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► deal with that ball candy Jonas would certainly be a eight take one he's he's [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► very about asking if you extended it and the ball that he would he would region [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► and very selectively pick whatever you know take a look and pick one thing that [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► he thought looked best for the people asking like it's also the way they asked [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► some people are asking as they just want to make sure they're not doing anything [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► bad but they're also asking price they're hoping the answer is not one and [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► I give different answers a different kids you know I'm running experiments [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► depending on how the kids lucky you know since they won some state to really [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► towards the end the night I want I want the ball to be pleased to have leftover [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► can easily get higher numbers but occasionally they canceled come and I'll [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► see a couple greedy people in there and one of their friends will ask and I say [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► one actually liked 1 I'm trying not to interfere with the experiment but [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► fascinating as you should film it should tell them take what you feel you deserve [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► that's like your conscience be your guide and Elmo say to these kids but I [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► feel like though you know I don't feel weird house what you've learned about my [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► father's little ministers they responded to Marco and and tips to read about [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► their their candy and what which can do you think would go first and you know i [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► i read it later on and get the answer but I knew the answer but I didn't see [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► it what were the options I didn't see the tweet was like whoppers dots like [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► look at the Jolly Rancher looking things and butterfingers I think and maybe the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► range Iran's about it being dumb but I you know the kids I've learn this room [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► during Halloween they love the crappiest can be whatever is just like sugar just [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► like nerds or you know like donald was the first one to go there just terrible [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► you know completely sure can be my memories from childhood is that you [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► always go for the chocolate first even lower little crazy Snickers bar vs [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► anything else like you're not get who wants a jolly rancher who wants a piece [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► of gum want some nerds who wants . everyone want to talk let the kids these [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► days they want sour patch kids they want dots they want skittles like and we and [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► what we get is you know Snickers bars Milky Way bars three musketeers [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► butterfingers and also you know skittles and some other type of candy and the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► terrible crap sugar candy always goes first [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► boggles my mind I think I've told this story before I think back on the old [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► show with Dan but that the gold standard for me and I my neighborhood growing up [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► as a kid was always full size pack of Reese's peanut butter cups filled to max [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► right you get to a whole peanut butter cups or some other similar full-size [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► milk chocolate covered candy bar for Snickers or a full Hershey bar lot of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► people are doing that like it's it's a trend and just posted that s what he was [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► doing but like the full size ones that was hard to get spending with the amount [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► of kids that we get and I honestly I don't think their parents get a stink I [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► have given like this two year old kid a Snickers bar sizes farm right you know I [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► I know what it's like to have kids with the small ones you can say we can have [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► one candy and the one they're not wired all night one of those Snickers bars too [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► much remember there is that the state average family in my neighborhood [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and missus average was always really into Halloween she was one of those moms [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► who just loved it added [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► pretty quiet house and had like a second-floor porch balcony / porch on [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► the second floor and they always every year they hung up a which she probably [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► was one of those acres tricks of perspective or I'm sure in real life she [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► wasn't actually a five-foot tall taller something but from the street it looked [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► like a full-size witch on a broom hanging up there and some lighting to [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► letter up in a great she always give up full size candy bars and because she [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► knew me you know around the corner she would like let me take two and I and CNN [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► I would be like really I would think like this is a trick you're going down [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► again trouble on it except the second one right this is this can't be true [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► though is that still think I don't think it's no but that these days like these [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► days when the kids come we have a super bowl for a peanut-free like that's the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► level things are you know in our neighborhood right and the kids coming [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► they asked for the safety of any peanut free to do here you go [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► ready for it had a razor blade thing that has got to be one of those things [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► that like never actually happen now I don't think it ever did but they just [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the thought of it was just there was nothing you just turn it over in your [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► mind as little kids like I love candy on Halloween but biting into a piece of [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► candy in finding a straight razor heading into the roof of my mouth would [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► not be good don't stop til you get the candy and I remember the other 12 was [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► I don't know if it was because somebody figured it out that Hayden even make [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► that would actually be like kinda hard to put a razor blade and candy bar and [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► then sela back up the other one was that there were rumors that some people put [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► straight pins in you know like he's like the things like they give you an apple [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► the Apple have the tiny thin straight razor in that you could sneak in there [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and that's just like you know you bite into an Apple you don't want to really [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► be involved every year that's all just things that scare kids far as I know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► I've never read an actual documented case of it really happy when it's pretty [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► amazing considering how prevalent that myth was and how much you know copycat [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► people do exactly like nobody would ever think to do it until it became the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► prevalent mean and then all sorts of weirdoes I guess maybe weirdos have [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► trouble attracting children to their houses there really are things like I [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► don't really think it was everything where that was an actual problem but I [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► know that there were things were you can take your Halloween candy to like the [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► emergency room and get an x-ray and I mean that's like an actual thing in some [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► places and it's like imagine if you actually like like suffered some kind of [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► accident or injury on Halloween and you're waiting you're always wait too [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► long the emergency room and then you gotta sit there and wait for kids to get [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► their dams sectors explain their candy irradiated yeah I do stuff like that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► just make parents feel better but now I just think that offer that as a service [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► at the airport to take one of the TSA lines and let kids walk through their [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► candy and see if it's not then you just see the candy like they did about the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► rapper but you actually see what's inside it [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► see all the hard hit the gummy bears genitalia [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► Mavericks got used to the name of it like in the grand scheme of things it's [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► it's weird and awkward but it's fine it's not it's not like MacBook it's not [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► like we it's not embarrassing it's just eccentric just fine and apparently it it [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► did start I read the story behind the name of the location some point in the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► 60 I guess it until then [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► surfing culture got to be big and then a bunch of surfers in the sixties found [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► this great beach and one of them at a dog named maverick and that somehow that [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► and I nuno's of its apocryphal or not but that it came from that the beach was [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► Mavericks because it was that's where the dog maverick hang out while his [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► owners surged [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► you're enjoying a long distinguished line of people who have been telling me [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► the origin of the name by reciting to me or summarizing to me the very thing that [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► I linked and the paragraph and I never relinquish its like handling I bet [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► there's too many this time but the point is you have people like you may not know [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► this but Mavericks is actually about you know a lot of people just simply [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► reciting or copying pasting the actual page link to Wikipedia page about the [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► thing and the second strain of Corrections this is people saying it's [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► not actually plural possessive because I get this right is not possessive lot one [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► person had the presence of mind to think to the other thing which is my second go [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► to that I was gonna like this but I don't have too many thanks I just like [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► to the Wikipedia page page explained that when the new place names and their [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► possessive they tend to drop the apostrophes [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► like that has historical precedent st. Mary's or whatever it's St period Mary's [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► but without the apostrophe so yeah I know I totally understand where the name [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► comes from I understand what it is but you know if you don't know the backstory [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and you see Mavericks it reads as plural and most people don't know or care [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► understand the backstory and that's why it's awkwardly pillar is it really [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► parole is it you know it's a plural possessive but you know whatever you [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► decide but there's a certain awkwardness do it but you no matter where the people [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► Mike and its distinctive and hey it's not a cat right so you know we're off in [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► a new direction in there there are plenty of places in California to go to [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► next to McDonalds still have the friendlies dropped it that just friendly [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► by two singular yeah we're headed with today's switch to face the added 'as [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► because everybody called at Friendlys right and so used to be singular [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► friendly and for the longest time we had one near I grew up that had a sign on [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► like a big fancy signer brick building the didn't have the apostrophe s on it [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► and i would tell people you know the place action and friendly right there [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► like no I don't come look at the sign that they would swear that signs his [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► family until you get out there and look at it and then it's like almost falling [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► off nope we had to give in [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► we had to in my vague hometown area growing up and one of them was a [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► Friendly's and one was a friendly and I noticed stuff like that and I always [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► wondered in the end this is before you can look stuff up on the internet I [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► always wondered whether perhaps they were two rival brands like McDowell's [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► redhead that they you know that some jerk you know started you know friendly [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► after friendlies started because they didn't register the trademark on the non [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► possessive or something like that [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► get a Sunday any Yankees Cup because all I could think was otherwise it doesn't [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► make any sense why wouldn't you enforce consistency across all of your friends [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► they did slowly did you get you have one of those still remember having those [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► there was like the upside down plastic baseball cap [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► yeah I still think I have it Yankees version that somewhere I don't know if I [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► got one of friendlier where I got that but I do remember having a little yeah a [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► little plastic batting helmet roughly the size of a scoop ice cream a pretty [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► good deal considering the crap that you get with like happy meals and stuff now [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that you know they just gave you that is the thing they served ice cream many [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► take it home and you got a nice little something might actually want to keep [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► and I'm similar license for major league baseball is the real logo on it had [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► McDonalds still has the apostle of I wonder like did you have the Phillies [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► hats or something really think about it but we had Yankees things [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► I don't know if I don't know how I got the one that had a Yankees 1900 old days [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► when the only thing they just seem the entire country recognized the whole [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► country is angry that I don't know how that a no or i you know for all I know I [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► remember getting it I just remember having it for all I know somebody's some [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► relative of mine got it somewhere else and you know let's get one of those for [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► John keep it for him but I remember having a little at Mavericks and going [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► off into baseball yeah I really thought this would be the show where there [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► wasn't any baseball the episode where they could not be like could have this [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► this could have been preempted by game 7 yeah I could have been I kinda had a bad [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► feeling about the Cardinals and how much i neva not pay attention to it all but [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► like my Twitter feed is still politically like like like a contact [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► contact i from baseball talk I was going to write down my dad's big baseball fan [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► and we're talking the other day and I guess he's doing he does not like I've [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► said this many times he does not like the American League doesn't like the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► designated hitter rule so he just you know he watches sports and he likes [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► baseball but he doesn't want a lot of you won't just say if it's too american [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► league teams playing on TV ESPN or something he won't watch it so he was [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► really kind unaware of the whole beard situation with the Red Sox until I mean [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► it heard about it was watching the World Series and he was like he said the Red [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► Sox look like the type of guys you saw a couple of them in the bus station you [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► just walk away and I i no bad thing but only like you know academically like I [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► understand the concept tonight caught a piece of a game and I'm like all right [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► this is out of control and someone had a good tweet I forget it was actually in [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► poker now may be a comedian saying you know have two series The the Red Sox let [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► me go back to their normal jobs of driving carriage for the Amish like they [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► were the same serious beard like you know jebediah caliber beer it's [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► published out of these people and you know it just looks like to take the [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► people who don't you know [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► don't base yeah they don't it's not a good look like a little scruffy is good [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► but once it goes out into you know size homeless person like that's just too [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► much is not doesn't look it doesn't look classy know if I don't know enough about [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► baseball to know you I see you making the comments about the weird alternate [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► uniforms and stuff like that but all sports teams go through some awkward [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► phase but their outfits but if you had to pick a team that is the apple of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► baseball would be the eggs with the pinstripes like it's classy and simple [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and straightforward and even their logo is you know it's not like you know we [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► are still looking thing I Red Sox have a certain class to me when you have some [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► of the big giant beard and like the the bright saturated red is a little bit [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► Ronald McDonald it does it did [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► accentuate the unknown unnamed Kunis of the Red Sox Yankees in fact famously [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► I'll always had a good grooming code like in the seventies and maybe even [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► early eighties when men's fashion hairstyles for longer [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► Yankees would occasionally get dinged by George Steinbrenner like a go getta go [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► get a haircut done manually exception only got in trouble for his hair at one [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► point later in his career and it just became like a weird thing like and i was [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► just sort of like an eighties mullet I pluck and I wasn't really long hair but [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► I don't know it was like steinbrenner gotta being as bonded over it and [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► but Mattingly was already like the team captain and a perennial all-star and I [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► just remember as a kid thinking it was a silly thing for the Yankees be worried [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► about because they stunk at the time and also the facial hair they did you can't [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you know they've been working at Disney or something like that when you're in [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► the eighties you can't can't can't can't scare the kids that you know that not [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► only had the big handlebar right you have a mustache beard and get away with [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► it I know that there's some pitches a lot of pitchers who don't like don't [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► like to shave before they pitch so you could you can go like three or four days [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► without shaving you you don't have to shave everyday but you can't grow a [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► beard [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► you know catches quasimodo doesn't yet know nobody ever sees no one ever sees [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► their face or their prehensile tails a sad to see the big cat names go now [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► cause I think they're out like I would like to see links in there somewhere but [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► get the only one that they that they left on the floor that's kind of cool [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► names got an X in it is interesting but that would have to be kind of like a [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► middle name months ago lion where can you go i mean not even mountain lions [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► cop-out like yeah I guess it's like a lion but different permount mine is you [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► know nothing about the lines you know it's it's not lightning bug and [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► lightning but it's close [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► yeah and Snow Leopard was sort of worked on two levels where I got them an extra [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► year without coming up with a new cat and it really did fit that that release [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► in terms of it [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► famously being the look quote-unquote no new features release and Snow Leopard [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► look cool you know I get a pic cool links is probably don't look back over [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the name is cool so that's probably the only one they do and it's kind of a [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► shame they never got like when they did cheat and Puma they were not into the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► putting the cat branding out your face yeah there was just behind the scenes [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► and then they burn those two names and like and she is great as like the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► ultimate inside joke but the people who put whatever you start with alcohol [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► I am I even went yeah I tend to think I don't even know if that's the origin if [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► it was it wasn't like hey let's give them big cat names it was oh my god this [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► thing is so slow let's call it cheetah internally and then somehow woodstock [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and as the wine names which the least they had the good sense to marking [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► Department of the good sense not to try to go with the wine names but they [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► continue to have dinner know about this [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► yeah they all have you know a super secret code name is pushing out of the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► when the code is being a Jaguar resist or to become the the marking them as [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► well they have one names and I get around to me you know that but like I [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► even up to life in line was like parole or something I don't drink wines Pinot [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► was it was maybe and 34 something I remember that if some some apple person [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► could send you an email and tell you all the names were and are but if you if you [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► like great through the various shell scripts and other readable things [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► occasionally you can find a commenter a reference to a name of wine and that's [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► what they're talking about [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► I figured if I talked about this and if I did I would think it might have been [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► when you run the show also could have been in person at WWDC I don't know but [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► if I'm repeating myself forgive me either I forget what it's been on the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► show three months ago but the other names that were went unused but couldn't [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► for obvious reasons I was talking to somebody else about him was you know how [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► could they if they wanted to how good they've got another cat cougar which [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► they didn't want to use for the connotation in pop culture of older [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► women who chase young men but cooler is a pretty cool you know until recently I [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► think they could use that I think that that usage of Cougar is kind of a [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► a modern thing and I think they could have gotten over that I don't I don't [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► know that that the snickering over calling aversion cougar would have [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► lasted any longer than the snickering over iPad yeah it was perfectly [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► serviceable name right you know what is it it's called the big 12 maxi pad you [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► know I think Cougars have you know I mean there is John Cougar Mellencamp [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► it's pretty cool cat was the other one can remember there is one more that they [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► could isolate is you know is one I think I swear I've had this conversation [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► before I just can't remember if it was on the show and I Jonas used to play in [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► when he was seven and eight year old little league teams in the league he [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► played here in Philly all the teams had big cat names and I think that there [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► were ten or eleven teams in the league so where was little bit more than you [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► know maybe they're 12 teams so is more than OS releases in there there was an [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► ocelots which i think is probably the worst most of the kids can't even spell [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► that and the other cool cat was one of his team names and they did I know that [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► Apple considered it I think if they have gone one more this is the one they would [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► be used was Wildcats yeah I mean I a lot of these names as you know any [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► biologists points out the like different names for the same actual animal and the [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► known by different names and Wildcat I'm assuming is you know what the hell is a [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► wildcat right right but like the Wildcat is a 12 definitely has you have to type [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that something has to be something while the bed like right Mavericks is like [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► those little bit maverick different or whatever but not it doesn't like Wildcat [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► like Wildcat could be like when you do you know I was six to seven times [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► transition Wildcats wild [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► but you can't just let you get to slap that on something like a bad call this [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► one Wildcat all the reviews of like this is very wild even now like a lot of them [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► are like it's a even mine like it's not particularly maverick I made that point [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► the end of its like kinda like it was the slowest maverick is not really you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► know boldly asserting you know new direction it's kind of not however I am [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► gonna spoil it I'm going to assume you know hopefully I think that you know [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► anybody out there is listening if you had plenty of time to read John's [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► reviews so I mean I don't want to spoil it but at the end you you said it was [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► for western wear anthropomorphic you you cast as as OS 10 woody allen and you [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► said iOS would be the suave call Brad Pitt [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► totally see Brad Pitt as iOS anthropomorphism I wouldn't say woody [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► allen well I say not not the OS but this particular is kinda like you will you [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► know I don't know about this whole thing we can get the word out there but I [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► think everything is ok to leave the felt in Game Center but like what you like [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► it's like dion is kind of cool some of his movies you know but he also can get [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► easily flustered and seems uncertain right and so this thing is like it's [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► it's kind of got a little bit of you know [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► woody allen is smart and resourceful and and and introspective like those the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► subject to the same time for introspection seems like a list and is [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► like looking itself in the mirror and know what to do with my life and swiped [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► awful lot of the crap that was added all those applications make him look like [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► books and apps but it's also done to this point is white the stuff off like [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► it just smear smear smear glad they're gone from County but it's not like I let [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► me just radically rethink all these applications and some of them did you [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► get time to clean up so it it it knows it doesn't want to be but it doesn't [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► want to be but doesn't even have the time to rewind it and so that's why I'm [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► looking for something it's like you know what do people of different impressions [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► of Woody Allen's that's difficult say like when [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► most people would not think of the Woody Allen like maybe if you're in Iraq New [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► Yorker you will look up to the island and some degree was other people might [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► look at woody allen is just entirely like the you know sort of nervous [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► waiting fidgeting type of thing but there admiral things about woody allen [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► but he also has that angle of uncertainty in the you know always [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► question himself yeah I guess there is this sort of introspection is a good way [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► to put it where that's really where most of the changes and Mavericks are i mean [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► i mean it's it's really obvious you don't have to read it [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► 24,000 Board Review to figure out that it doesn't really look different than [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► other than as you said in the case of specific apps that have been teased s [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► words school more sized the apt 4d forestall do you forestall right but [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► what did they end up looking like they've really all those apps you know [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► contacts and it really does look like Generic apps you know it's just a very [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► straightforward right out of a pocket and not even that because if you had [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► made them straight without kids they would not be like they are what they are [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► is like underneath like like makeup if you wipe out all the makeup underneath [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► areas like just the thing that was always under the strangely structured [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► like that like you know contacts where they had three panes out of the book [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► once you get rid of the book art it's like what I ever make this window if I [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► didn't know that previously had started to the book type thing and they made the [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► three panes more or less independently resizable so you can get it into [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► arrangements they would never correspond to a book that always had to be split [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► down the middle but if you just started from scratch and make new contacts when [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► do you never make a window like that it only makes sense if you look at all I [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► see it used to be covered the book you know like our aura the the Notes [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► application OIC this used to be yellow lined paper in the sidebar now just kind [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► of like this page thing like you have to know where it came from the current [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► Windows to make sense otherwise they look kind of small and squinty in [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► strange and weird fonts and don't look like you know Mac outside all day look [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► like iOS apps that have [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► scoured down that's more or less what they are and I assume its good enough [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► time to do anything else they sure as hell not [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► not ship in that letter stuff anymore that was the easiest ok just replace it [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► with a great throw a little bit of the you know then held that occasion there [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► for like a month or whatever but they're they're not entirely rethought its just [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► like you know backpedaling yeah note in particular I think really kind of sticks [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► out to you can like double click on oat open it into its own window but it it [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► doesn't have a standard window title bar all it's used to be like a little while [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► sticking out and now they're not that yellow anymore now is just like a weird [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► when he doesn't doesn't make it doesn't read that well and and I reminders kept [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► like whatever the crazy black stuff is like well didn't have time to read your [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► mind the next time they get to redo Game Center is just too much graphics and all [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► those people too busy working on iOS 7 now and you know whatever sort of like [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► if you want to go at the end there were more fires damn it's sort of like [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► somebody who's like sobered up after a long bender and Game Center is like the [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► face tattoo yes sort of [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► or you know it's you know maybe a face tattoos a little tough but little little [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► out there but yes the hangover but it's you know it's the lampshade on the head [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► you know and that's like you know just like cheese I'm just gonna put out [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► t-shirt [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► addressed to the introspection know I did you know so yeah they look and feel [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► is obviously it's really just taking out those over the top school more fit [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► resources and that's really the extent of significant changes to the way it [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► looks i mean IQ change the document I mean like they always screw yea doc on [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► the side looks different now yeah [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► there are so few there are so few user interface elements they're guaranteed to [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► be visible s10 the doc is that like the dock menu bar in the window title bars [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► like that's the look of the OS because there's not too much of the surface area [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► anytime they changed dockets like that's that's the one thing you know is going [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► to be in people's faces and let me know so most of the changes you know how do [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► you read the 24,000 where review of an OS two didn't really change that much [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► the way it looks [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► it's you know the stuff that's new is under the hood and it's really sort of a [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► deep by it is sort of introspective it so why are we doing this why we why have [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► we spent all this time over the decades leading the background processes [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► consumers much CPU time as they could and I what it what is the purpose of the [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► OS what is the job of the US DOT job used to be like give every process all [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► the resources they need to manage access to the hardware and coordinate the mall [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► now them you know just maximize it and now it's like you know like the parent [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► was too permissive [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► realizes like what what is the purpose of being a parent is it just to give you [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► get everything they want maybe not like I can't talk about my house I was shown [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► you know because you had to have you had a choice like you're on a phone you can [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► have all that crap in the background and there was that there's that story that I [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► don't remember the source of this maybe you do it like Steve Jobs [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► I'm the source of the story I wanted to tell you this this is my story well I [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► wasn't there but I dunno I spoke to someone who was there it was after the [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► IP original iPad was unveiled so it's 2010 and you know the secret project [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► everybody does something something Apple doing a tablet but you know and like any [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► Apple project only the people who worked on the iPad knew about the iPad before [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► it came out i mean the iOS team news [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► but then after it came out and everybody in Apple knew what it was and then he [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► could do in there was a meeting with the hardware team for the MacBook hardware [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► team and it was what we gonna do for the next map and you know and jobs had been [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► on his first medical leave the when I first but the first two years of his [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► life in 20 2009 he'd been gone a lot of the time it was when he came back that [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► first that whenever the medical leave that started with Kim canceling the [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► Macworld keynote in this etcetera and was when he came back in the summer as I [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► was gonna do with maybe less time that he can spend spend the rest of that [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► you're doing original iPad but it really devoted himself to him he knew the iPad [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► in and out and so is next meeting with the MacBook people this must have been [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► pretty late March of 2010 it could take a manner many expect it was like [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► budgeted at like three hours was like a three hour meeting with Steve Jobs the [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► line when he came in carrying an iPad and they were all the existing MacBooks [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► run the table and he said here look at this this is a sleep and touch the [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► button on your iPad and it instantly turned on because now it's a wake [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► because I can do it again turned it off he says now it's a sleep now at awake he [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► goes why can I do that on this and pointed to a Macbook and any just left [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► the room and it's the same thing that we all felt like you know the iPhone to [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► begin with is like that's why it seems so magical you use it and you're like [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► why is this thing that I know is like one especially the original iPhone 1 [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► 10000 as powerful as the Mac why does it feel so why does it feel so fast [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► why does it feel so responsive what kind of unfair to the Mac Book hardware team [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► that's who he was talking to you it's not just a hardware solution is found in [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► the software side of that coming it's like you know all these things that I [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► always does [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► to YouTube to be there responsible hardware [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► finally getting them back to get some of their religion do less stop only do what [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► the user asks you what they asked immediately everything else you know get [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► screwed and that you can't do that entirely on the back of the part of the [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► package uses be able to run all the stuff in the background but if you did [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► you spend any time with the command-line tools like SMS usage in the old days I [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► see usage and show you what's going on your system [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► overseas in particular I'm always looking at what the hell is grinding [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► disc today so much crap just just run the scene on your machine FSM underscore [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► usages should be in your path if you got that may be part of the dev tools look [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► at how many processes adjust your disk tell me like one of these things doing [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► something really need to be checking this preference file 30 times a second [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► you know it's sometimes I have written a bug reports for a program to say your [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► program is look looking at this Feist adding the smile like a literally [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► hundreds of times a second [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► like that seems excessive don't do that and and Mavericks is you know like what [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► is the role of the OSCE introspection and maybe the role of the USS that is to [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► say I don't care how fast you want to check that file if you're not the [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► process of the users interact with your some faceless demon and something else [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► going on and more important things are happening you're gonna be throttled I'm [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► gonna give you less CPU time and you know that's always been no process [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► priority and stuff like that but I'm a ghost has always prioritize the [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► interactive task over the 90 director once the Mavericks is really cranking it [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► up not just giving us time but also trying to have fewer of those things [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► happening and it's kind of weird happening at the same time that I S [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► seven is finally saying OK couple of applications can run in the background [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► kinda like you do in the Mac like you know I was used to beat the system [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► regime where nobody gets around only one process it once and now you know with a [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► seven is that they don't have enough CPU power to say okay we can open up the [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► policy can run in the background [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► subject of some description restrictions and you know the Mac is coming from the [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► other direction trying to lock everything [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► down but it's one of those things where I feel like you had to go all the way to [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► the iOS iPhone and iPad to sort of open your eyes to to these questions the [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► questions didn't occur prior to that [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► like why would you let an application that the user can even see why are we [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► letting it spend as much CPU time is it wants to update its you I you know that [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense whereas iOS that's like when you think when you sit [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► there and think why why why does the ipad get amazing battery life and one of [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► the things is even now that it has multitasking and you can keep multiple [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► apps in memory to some degree and you get a real win out of that when you [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► switch you know if you're if you're switching from male to Safari to your [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► Twitter client and all three of them can stay in and open in RAM they may not be [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► doing stuff in the background but then when you switch to them it's right there [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► where you left off and there's no weight at all but on the other hand it's not [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► doing anything in the background that you don't need that and all of a sudden [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► I think that you know Apple is clearly asking why can't the Mac be more like [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► that about Steve Jobs story at that time and you know to this day but at that [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► time as well [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► Max had an amazing reputation for being the laptop that wakes from sleep really [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► really fast like the gold standard of the industry you know and like even [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► among PC users they see how fast this before that meeting they had this [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► reputation and it's exactly is it totally Steve Jobs move to come into the [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► room and the one thing he picks on as the one thing that that MacBooks are [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► universally recognized as being the best in the industry and that's the thing [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► that he's as crap and why the crap because Apple itself had made a device [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► that shows you know don't don't be satisfied merely by being laptop to wake [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► from sleep the fastest there's a whole other realm of possibility over here on [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► this little thing right [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► don't just compare yourself to the Windows PCs right and and the thing [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► about the iPad I remember back in the day and I find myself looking into this [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► I think I even in there if you like the iPad was so amazing [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► hour battery life that's when laptops for like three and four hour battery [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► life and you look at you like how the hell does this thing have a 10 hour [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► battery life when the battery for like a MacBook Pro or whatever [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► weighs more than the entire iPad we have this huge battery and we got like three [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► hours may have a better it so skinny that we're going to shove in the back [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► and they continue to happen is the better get skinnier and skinnier it was [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► like you know the Mac laptops had bigger batteries and now finally with [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► maverick's as well like finally Mac laptops are getting the benefit of [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► having just massively more battery than than the iPad iPad now has a little tiny [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► sliver iPad areas like a battery is probably a sheet of paper inside there [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► you know there's no room in their batteries so tiny compared to the [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► battery in 15 inch MacBook Pro which is just you know seven big chunky cells and [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► I just a small bit like and like a MacBook Air with running Mavericks are [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► getting like you know 14 15 hours about her life so now suddenly the world makes [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► sense again the thing with the bigger battery does get more battery life [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► whereas before I was like the thing with the bigger battery gets a third of the [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► battery life of the iPad why in the world does not even the 11 inch MacBook [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► Air which could has the smallest battery of any MacBook cuz it's the smallest [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► anything but if it weighs two and a half times as much as an iPad how could it [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► not get better battery life [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► matches yea but it was you know and I think it's only really with this year's [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► models that it really jump past and like you said with maverick's it's clearly [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► passed it I mean it's as well as the big part of it in terms of like it you know [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► the hardware that was the big win you know get getting the CPU putting more [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► stuff on the chip you know like we're not it's not an A seven system-on-a-chip [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► yet but like where they're going towards each other and then the software side of [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► it is the other half of that ok we have the CPU and chipset the table to not use [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► a lot of power is not doing it now it's the OS is job to make sure we're not [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► doing anything when we're not doing anything [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► well you you but you ran your own tests for your review where you you know it's [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► like a real world tests on some kind of abstract benchmark [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► it was loading web pages waiting a couple seconds you know maybe the [TS]

01:07:50 ◼   ► simulate actually you know looking at the web page and then closing in [TS]

01:07:55 ◼   ► loading more yeah I got a new found a new family always had respect for an [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► antagonist people thought the benchmarks were doing benchmarks like this like [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► synthetic ones are so much nicer caused a repeatable but I'm doing real [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► benchmark using real websites right and 30 websites vary from day to day right [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► and you install the Flash plugin [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► a real-world usage but then if if if your advertisements that are flash based [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► consumed CPU it matters which adds look yet and it's like I would have to say [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► I'm trying to trying to compare Mavericks to mountain lion and I you [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► know you'd run I don't have one machine TestInside run the Mavericks when I [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► reboot great for the battery charger on the next one and I kept getting I was [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► getting such variability on the mountain lion on average when they're pretty [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► consistent but the mountains on just very like crazy and so you know I went [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► the numbers in the review our direct numbers from runs right but we had many [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► many runs and I was like should I average done should I not I just kind of [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► took one and actual run that was kind of in the middle but they vary its like [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► what is the weather on the Internet today in terms of flash and crap and if [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► it's a bad flash and weather day on the internet the machine that willingly runs [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► flash ads is gonna get slaughtered and maverick's like I'm care with the flash [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► and weather is like a load the Flash nine but I'm not gonna let it auto play [TS]

01:09:11 ◼   ► like I intentionally pick pages that occasionally had auto playing ads [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► YouTube and occasionally as well like I was trying to pick you know sites that [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► might go to the test itself I think it was gentle like it was a light usage [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► task is it was like go to web pages change to attempt to go to a txt Edit [TS]

01:09:29 ◼   ► dollar-yen an ally of tax let the autosave thing work [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► hi the window show the window bring this tab to the front pipe that tab like but [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► it's really like yousuch you know not doing anything strenuous but also in [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► that respect it's not representative of you actually that using a hammer and a [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► computer I just wanted to see like what kind of percentage increase could we get [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► and I was trying to get no demo app nap making sure that was a factor like I was [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► stopping for like five seconds at least between [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► changing tabs to simulate like reading some 25 seconds and that's enough time [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► for a nap to kick in and flash was there demonstrate the amazing benefit you get [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► by Donato playing flash ads even though flash was installed like you know so [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► it's if you will read it and they should look at the mountain I never did not [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► currently getting 12 or 13 hours out of mountain lion you're not gonna get [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► fourteen hours out of Mavericks it's like the percentage increases probably [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► represented but you know the absolute values like it depends on your battery [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► but that it it it does seem true them in a really just seems bottom-line true and [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► I it's one of those things that seems it's and it sounds too good to be true [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► and everybody naturally sort of just think so let's see when you know Craig [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► Federici first ran through the features back at WWDC of Mavericks and said that [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► you know we can get with these things that we're doing you know app nap and [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► coalesced network and tires yeah and I owe you know that you can even just [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► collapsed hitting you know hitting hard drive that you can you know that adds up [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► and you're gonna get you know I don't twenty thirty percent more battery life [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► just by upgrading to the new OS that sounds too good to be true you know and [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► Apple wouldn't I asked if they had any kind of number that they were going to [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► throw out there is a marking type thing and you know I'd really didn't expect [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► anything and to their credit they didn't give one because this is the thing about [TS]

01:11:21 ◼   ► battery life with the whole the whole game here is you're not like the battery [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► has the energy is the CPU has Angie has not so I was trying to visit with the [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► graph showing WABC like look at the CPU uses like nothing when you're not using [TS]

01:11:35 ◼   ► it but it uses 25 watts when you're when you're hammering it like it's a 54 watt [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► hour battery do the math how many hours do you get when you're using 25 watts [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► batteries 54 yr you don't get twelve that's for sure [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► like that's the thing about battery usage and let's talk about the [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► application so much is that you get this [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► you get this new OS and you go out and put on your machine you like wow it [TS]

01:11:56 ◼   ► really battery life increased there is nothing the OS can do if you're running [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► a bunch of crap that is just you know your CPU GPU constantly like the OS can [TS]

01:12:05 ◼   ► stop that if you have some third party thing [TS]

01:12:07 ◼   ► in your menu bar during 60 frames a second car that is gonna suck your power [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► like a vampire like Mavericks asshole trick is it doesn't magically make more [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► battery and makes less stuff go on to go on your good like you could burn your [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► your battery just as fast as you can amount to be just a bad application just [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► one bad application so what do you call it that the wall of shame in energy [TS]

01:12:30 ◼   ► shaming it's a great idea and I think it's one of my favorite part of your [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► review because I noticed the feature and that's interesting and it shows in for [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► anybody doesn't know it's like when you go to the battery meter in the menu bar [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► and I swear that show up on desktop I would I want to look for it recently I [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► wish that showed up on desktops because even though I don't have battery power I [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► want to know what the hell is stealing my CPU citrate my desk and doing all [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► this crap right so they they it sits in the battery meter so I guess you don't [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► see it on to the low battery thing in the menu bar and you pull it down and in [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► addition to telling you stuff it used to tell you you know whether you show the [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► percentage or not or just show the icon and it now has a list of apps using [TS]

01:13:15 ◼   ► significant energy and so they called posited in terms of energy but like you [TS]

01:13:21 ◼   ► said it also means which apps are slowing my system down if there's an app [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► using thirty percent of your CPU even if you're plugged into AC if you're using a [TS]

01:13:30 ◼   ► Mac Pro or iMac or something you'd still like to know about that out because if [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► you can make it stop doing that your machine will be fast and it's brutal [TS]

01:13:39 ◼   ► because like crystal shows the icon so like hear your faces out there you know [TS]

01:13:44 ◼   ► and the battery manual like people know about the better man une like they just [TS]

01:13:49 ◼   ► know about it like it's it's they like that on the menu bar that they don't [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► just look a little icon like it is very likely to be found as you can get all [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► the same information that is going activity monitor but nobody knows about [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► activity there so if you look at the menu it's it's putting in front of [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► marlys regular users faces potentially your application icon and like I said [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► there have you like if I was a developer I would be kind of annoyed by this [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► because you just know the support email you like all your apps using significant [TS]

01:14:16 ◼   ► it's a game you're playing the game of course [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► it's not magic like and your app is gonna show up just gonna have to field [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► request after West about like yes I know people are going to complain but it's [TS]

01:14:28 ◼   ► it's the only way to do it to get you no shame that people who really need to be [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► shamed like you're stupid to think that I'm not even using issue with the health [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► of the right leg and and when you select from the menu it goes to activity [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► monitor with the application highlighted like as in kill me now those equipped [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► but dried up and they're like it's like volunteering to say this year's to get [TS]

01:14:49 ◼   ► the application you wanna kill it off just click this big red stop sign button [TS]

01:14:52 ◼   ► in the toolbar Markel it so the day the Mavericks came out my friend James [TS]

01:15:00 ◼   ► Duncan Davidson the photographer he just emailed me with your boy screenshot of [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► his appt shame list which listed Photoshop and he said this is Renault [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► documents and you know and now there's things where it's like if you really do [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► you know if Photoshop is who knows what the hell is doing but if it's doing [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► something where it's using can significantly energy don't even have a [TS]

01:15:32 ◼   ► document open but you were professional work is such that you need Photoshop [TS]

01:15:39 ◼   ► what do you know this is what you're getting at though you're not you know [TS]

01:15:42 ◼   ► computers there D be used for something right but Mavericks isn't going to [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► magically make that less painful on your battery and the thing is that's not [TS]

01:15:53 ◼   ► instantaneous snapshot of like looking at Activity Monitor top-rated like that [TS]

01:15:57 ◼   ► and he stopped his averaged over a long period of time so it's trying to say it [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► like in the past 10 minutes fifty minutes our whatever the given activity [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► monitor like the average energy and packed like it's not like right now I'm [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► not doing anything Photoshop why is it in the menu it's in the menu because [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► over the past little while that's been the guy that's been using a lot of your [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► hand she even if you're not doing it right now so if he was just saying I [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► don't have any documents but now it's still on the menu yeah it's going to be [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► on the menu but if you haven't touched Photoshop and 10 15 20 minutes it's [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► still on the menu then maybe something's gone wrong like obviously it's there [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► it's their kind of unfairly and its I think the the annoying users who are [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► going to send an email to developers maybe not go because they're not gonna [TS]

01:16:36 ◼   ► listen to whatever but you know if you're if you make some little [TS]

01:16:39 ◼   ► application and you keep sending you email maybe it'll make you you know he's [TS]

01:16:44 ◼   ► a session about how can I make my application energy more energy efficient [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► because there are so many crew that regular developers can do an apple [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► trying to preach to them and WBC saying oh you know having session after session [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► about here's how you be energy efficient they've been doing that for years and [TS]

01:16:58 ◼   ► developers alike yeah yeah whatever now for the support loading your customers [TS]

01:17:02 ◼   ► realize that you're doing something silly then maybe like ok fine I'll go [TS]

01:17:06 ◼   ► look at the sessions and our launch an application yeah and I don't know it's [TS]

01:17:10 ◼   ► just one of those cultural things were maybe you know it's like we all do you [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► know it's like the way that you know certain values get get hammered just [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► kind of become ingrained overtime like you know I don't know maybe a bad [TS]

01:17:26 ◼   ► analogy but when I grew up you know nobody had car seats and kids just stood [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► in the back seat and jumped up and down into you got to where you're going now [TS]

01:17:33 ◼   ► if you saw like a four year old kids standing in the back seat of car you'd [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► be appalled you would call please I wouldn't you know that diana right well [TS]

01:17:45 ◼   ► I don't want to die just wish I could just send like thought his way and hope [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► that his parents aren't safe drivers I don't get involved so terrible would you [TS]

01:17:56 ◼   ► call the police talk to me about it [TS]

01:18:03 ◼   ► but you know collectively we we've shared we've we've we've raised the [TS]

01:18:08 ◼   ► importance of safety in cars you know collectively you know where adults are [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► expected to be wearing seat belts seat belts are expected to be you know you [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► know we expect even more now we have airbags and side impact airbags we have [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► all the stuff you're expected to you know survivalist car crashes you know [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► it's just become a priority and I think that energy usage and and doing you know [TS]

01:18:32 ◼   ► just every little step along the way you know prioritizing these things as gotta [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► become like a developer priority yeah I remember what I actually said but I was [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► tempted to say that that little menu that little presence in the menu bar is [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► like the most important energy saving feature of the OS term paper because [TS]

01:18:49 ◼   ► it's it's the part you can do all you want with the internals and all you [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► would develop evangelism but it's like it's so hard to you know it's as I eat [TS]

01:18:57 ◼   ► your vegetables it's so hard to get people to care about this you need [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► something what's going to move the needle on this one aspect of this [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► because that's the worst thing that could have happened up and that's one of [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► the reasons that I ran my Mavericks energy test with only Apple supply [TS]

01:19:10 ◼   ► applications plus flash is because if third-party developers don't get on [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► board with this there's nothing matters can do to keep it to extend your battery [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► life because you just can't keep writing the same third-party applications you [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► have all your battery and you know maybe the OS trying to be quiet will help a [TS]

01:19:25 ◼   ► little bit if the OS itself if you aren't using Apple's bundled [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► applications you are getting the benefit of Apple's work they did on that in a [TS]

01:19:32 ◼   ► few the OS is really doing anything anyway so maybe get a little benefit but [TS]

01:19:35 ◼   ► third-party application because kill your battery life and so how do you do [TS]

01:19:39 ◼   ► that if we made this amazing OS that can be super angry official we have all [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► these new API's you alarming you're not visible learning to draw stuff and set [TS]

01:19:47 ◼   ► your priorities and throw if no one uses those API's you don't get the benefit of [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► all his hard work how the hell do we get people to use these API's you have to [TS]

01:19:55 ◼   ► shame them you have to put him up there and go this guy right here he sucks you [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► know and you're going to unfair of the same applications that are not doing [TS]

01:20:03 ◼   ► anything bad that are being used a lot because or because the whole point in [TS]

01:20:07 ◼   ► them is to do something [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► Cpl I like a game like a guessing game is going to destroy her battery life [TS]

01:20:12 ◼   ► that's the whole point of the game is to use every single resource on the entire [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► system to it [TS]

01:20:15 ◼   ► if you're not using every excuse in unity and every corner CPU and you know [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► using all the bandwidth and all the processing power new GPU and you know [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► that's not a good game design right you shoot three hundred photographs and a [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► bunch of videos on vacation and come in and plug it in and takes us start [TS]

01:20:32 ◼   ► sucking those pictures off your sdcard and iPhoto or Lightroom or Aperture and [TS]

01:20:36 ◼   ► you have it set to you know a portrayal Lightroom I don't know but you can like [TS]

01:20:42 ◼   ► you know like default filter over every one of them [TS]

01:20:47 ◼   ► filtering 300 photos of want while reading from a slow sdcard [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► gonna be you know that that's exactly what you're asking him to do though is [TS]

01:20:55 ◼   ► did do something that is you know I O and CPU intensive and so it's gonna get [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► painted with the same brush so it's not it's not a perfect system but that's the [TS]

01:21:05 ◼   ► only the only tool they have at their disposal they were desperate numbers [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► like we've just got a shame you know like I guess it's kind of still hidden [TS]

01:21:12 ◼   ► the little bit but it's it's prominently Activity Monitor is not sufficient [TS]

01:21:16 ◼   ► people click the battery menu especially when they want to be like the time [TS]

01:21:20 ◼   ► remaining if they don't display it you know like I see the battery is the [TS]

01:21:25 ◼   ► little stuff inside the battery is no do little but i wanna know how much time do [TS]

01:21:28 ◼   ► I have left and a lot of people don't display that in the menu bar know if you [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► can anymore because takes a more rooms they click click to see it there's the [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► whole shame right there I love it I do I do I do I just did not give this is one [TS]

01:21:41 ◼   ► of those injuries didn't give it a lot of thought before reading your review [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► and then I realized you said I really do think it might have the most lasting [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► impact of all these changes I'll let me do the second sponsor break and talk [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► about our good friends [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► longtime Mac developers now great iOS developers to smile have a great app to [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► tell you about called PDF Penn scan + PDF Penn scan + [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► too great at one tied skinny directly from your iPhone or iPad camera you can [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► scan multiple pages into a single document you can use OCR to convert [TS]

01:22:23 ◼   ► scans into searchable PDFs the OCR is performed by the app itself not [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► off-loaded to a cloud service so you can do OCR even if you are connected to the [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► network or if you have sensitive documents that you can't share you know [TS]

01:22:40 ◼   ► maybe take a HIPAA type thing you're not legally can't have this thing going off [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► to a cloud service happens right there on your iPhone or iPad you can export [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► PDFs with the OCR text included they support sixteen languages for OCR it's a [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► perfect companion to smiles great a PDF pen for iPad and iPhone which is a great [TS]

01:23:06 ◼   ► great PDF these guys have been doing great stuff with PDF [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► longer than I can remember they have sharing options you can share by Dropbox [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► Evernote other services but you know just have to drop box alone means that [TS]

01:23:20 ◼   ► you can use your iPhone or iPad to scan documents putting together multiple [TS]

01:23:25 ◼   ► pages one document sharing my Dropbox and there it is waiting for you when you [TS]

01:23:29 ◼   ► get back to your Mac or wherever else you wanna PDF scan + is available on the [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► App Store at the intro price of just $4.99 five bucks and it's like you've [TS]

01:23:42 ◼   ► got what used to be you know 200 $200 document scanner right there on your [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► iPhone they have a great video a demo video by David sparks whose great [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► podcast blogger he'll show you all the powerful features that are packed into [TS]

01:24:00 ◼   ► this great tool so where do you go to find out more go to smile software dot [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► com slash talk-show smile software dot com slash talk show [TS]

01:24:11 ◼   ► and it will take you right there to the page you can learn all about it [TS]

01:24:17 ◼   ► scanning is one of the things I still like let out a sigh when I realize I [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► have to use my scanner because I've got my printer hooked up to my airport thing [TS]

01:24:25 ◼   ► but I can't do scanning through its every time I got asked and I have to [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► like plug the printer directly into the computer to use the stupid flatbed [TS]

01:24:32 ◼   ► scanner in the thing up so terrible I just stopped doing that but I don't care [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► about you know like I just want [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► scanning documents for you know archival purposes of every mistake my phone or [TS]

01:24:44 ◼   ► iPod thing yeah it makes sense for me I mean that's what am I do I mean how [TS]

01:24:51 ◼   ► often do I need to scan something but when I do it's such a pain and appear [TS]

01:24:54 ◼   ► like PDF and their application for editing PDF always an army dealing with [TS]

01:24:59 ◼   ► PDS like a preview would almost kind of so close to being what you want to be [TS]

01:25:03 ◼   ► like you can't really do that caused the PDF PDF sign editable the readonly PDF [TS]

01:25:08 ◼   ► Penn concept of its PDF but you can find screw it was like oh thank god there's [TS]

01:25:13 ◼   ► nothing worse than just dealing with a PDF change one little thing in modifying [TS]

01:25:17 ◼   ► some simple way to you think should be possible and is not right and it's you [TS]

01:25:21 ◼   ► know when I first saw that PDFs that you can have their were clearly scanned but [TS]

01:25:28 ◼   ► where it had been OCR so you can search swype attacks this tax rate because this [TS]

01:25:34 ◼   ► is clearly not a fun this is you know the facts and everything and powerful [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► stuff I always see our seems like one of those tasks I get stiff never going to [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► be perfect of course you've talked about this on your show with mark on Casey [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► about talk to mark about it to the episode a couple weeks back for Casey [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► brought up the episode of The Shield show where they made a joke about Siri [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► you pointed out looked serious could improve a lot and maybe needs improving [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► but it's never going to not be make funnel right we're never going to get to [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► a park point where a recent our lifetimes where AI isn't going to be of [TS]

01:26:19 ◼   ► some kind of uncanny valley where it's clearly not a person [TS]

01:26:22 ◼   ► and therefore we can make fun of it OCR is sorta like to get really depressed [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► about that [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► think how often you see people make fun of their human you know [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► co-workers or assistance of an actual human it was the subject of ridicule [TS]

01:26:36 ◼   ► about how doesn't understand what you want because it's not inside your brain [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► like it's it's an unsual is literally an unsolvable problem you know we have like [TS]

01:26:45 ◼   ► direct to live in fear [TS]

01:26:46 ◼   ► become a hive mind you know and same thing with OCR like human beings can [TS]

01:26:51 ◼   ► read stuff but it's sufficiently smudged in crappy [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► just look at the stupid captures the payoff to do on on the web [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► did you see the ball in his last name the guy from tablets tablets Paul and I [TS]

01:27:05 ◼   ► but he bought a surface Microsoft Surface to try it out and capture ya [TS]

01:27:17 ◼   ► sound like a lot of you buy a new surface and you start setting it up in [TS]

01:27:22 ◼   ► the first run experience like step for the first run experience is to do it [TS]

01:27:26 ◼   ► capture just in case your robot right with with hot dog fingers using this why [TS]

01:27:34 ◼   ► do they care for robots are buying services you're buying a surface [TS]

01:27:39 ◼   ► maybe you know you know with water filter hot dog fingers like a machine [TS]

01:27:45 ◼   ► somewhere where they have a better services lined up with these little [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► things you know trying to scam captions are [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► I capture that I don't understand the scenario that they're defending against [TS]

01:27:59 ◼   ► either is the gogo wireless internet on the airplane at least the network we [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► have on USAir and you have an account I fly enough ravel just have my account [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► credentials saved so when I'm on an airplane and there's wifi type in my [TS]

01:28:22 ◼   ► password I say yes use my saved credit card and then I have to do it capture [TS]

01:28:28 ◼   ► and it stinks like if you're on the phone because [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► it took you can't see the capture and see the text field and the keyboard all [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► the same time so you have to memorize the capture and then type it in and its [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► case sensitive it's like what what i don't understand what they're defending [TS]

01:28:45 ◼   ► against I just gave you my username and password I just let you charge my credit [TS]

01:28:49 ◼   ► card why do you know why am i doing it capture there is a BS business buzzword [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► to explain every crazy like that and I think in this case the BS word is best [TS]

01:28:59 ◼   ► practices which is someone just sighed as best practice having captured every [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► logon screen and the blanket apply that policy why best practices best practices [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► in Berlin topic and you know and so you end up with it in places where it makes [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► no sense because you didn't take it there so I could understand its best [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► practices that captures now its corporate policy way the future and [TS]

01:29:21 ◼   ► you're seeing that movie The Aviator [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► oh yeah I love it I wonder I mean I i've seen it as well but I think the movie is [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► more obscure than a lot of other things a reference even like The Big Lebowski [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► but now it has come to prominence due to their obsession with it [TS]

01:29:39 ◼   ► yeah I think that the Aviator I have sought when I didn't see it in theaters [TS]

01:29:44 ◼   ► it's another you know it's the whole having kids thing where I don't see many [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► movies at all bidders anymore it's too but I did see it when it first I love [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► big scorsese fantasy when it first came out on iTunes I got it and I'm being a [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► little disappointed the first time I saw it I don't know what I expected it to be [TS]

01:29:59 ◼   ► I guess I [TS]

01:29:59 ◼   ► I guess I [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► needed to be goodfellas with the billionaire and it wasn't and I was a [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► little disappointed in a wide still a year or so ago and thought my god what a [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► remarkable I really hate the second time I watch the year two later to three [TS]

01:30:14 ◼   ► years later I really thought you know this is just fantastic love them [TS]

01:30:22 ◼   ► grows on you you know I don't think I'm obsessive compulsive I don't have any [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► kinda sorta like that but I read it it seems like such an otherworldly if you [TS]

01:30:32 ◼   ► don't have to suffer from it and it's hard to imagine it and I feel like he [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► really kind and I i buy the second time my wife came out of it thinking somehow [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► there but for the grace of God go I maybe I am a little closer to that than [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► than comfort yeah I think everyone can identify with it a little bit some some [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► more than others lets a great guy that Howard Hughes was I don't know if I've [TS]

01:31:04 ◼   ► ever seen anything about in there wasn't like a fictionalized like newsreels or [TS]

01:31:07 ◼   ► interviews or anything about the actual persons all I had in my mind is the the [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► fictional Howard he was just building airplanes building casinos and gaming [TS]

01:31:18 ◼   ► famous actresses making movies there's a life that I mean there's more was there [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► to do in the bottles are in tissue boxes and doesn't end well thats this is [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► really really this is a cautionary tale about working from home should be on the [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► watch out for this is exactly that is sort of that is sort of I think what [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► made it uncomfortable for me so I installed the David underscores [TS]

01:31:49 ◼   ► undercover David Smith we say his name to understand his phenomenal app for the [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► iPhone [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► what's it called steps I forget what [TS]

01:32:01 ◼   ► plus plus I don't know what I don't know how it got to pluses but her plus plus [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► great app I think it's a free app and there's a guy you can do it like an [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► in-app purchase to give me a couple bucks but it just ties into your [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► motioned processor on the iPhone 5s steps I take shockingly few steps in [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► something this is still before winter you know it's it's actually you know [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► october in philadelphia is actually beautiful it's probably probably my [TS]

01:32:36 ◼   ► favorite month climate wise in philadelphia it couldn't be more [TS]

01:32:40 ◼   ► beautiful we haven't had a lot of rain there's zero reason why I shouldn't be [TS]

01:32:43 ◼   ► getting more steps than at any point here and I you know when today I took [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► thirteen steps to get coffee in the morning to you too like the Starbucks [TS]

01:32:53 ◼   ► down the street from everyone make it home ok [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► the Fitbit and everything that you shouldn't buy you one and you could be [TS]

01:33:01 ◼   ► like that but he's motivated is now you just have like thirteen steps of this [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► like you did you walk really carefully through your bed to the office of those [TS]

01:33:09 ◼   ► unaccounted steps like your shuffle your feet and your bunny slippers I said [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► here's my actual score for Wednesday October 30th was 3466 steps but you're [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► supposed to get colored red like so 10,000 as everybody says what you want [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► every day [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► 3466 on Wednesday to step things differently cuz I park in a parking [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► garage like about time I get there and I run up and down the steps to the fifth [TS]

01:33:40 ◼   ► floor parking garage in this account for more steps than just walking up the [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► stairs yeah that's right up the stairs is very different than walking up five [TS]

01:33:46 ◼   ► flights yet same number of steps taken steps going up stay up as fighter steps [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► is definitely more and going down steps is less cause you just going down steps [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► is really just to control the ball and then I mean it's motivating you to you [TS]

01:34:03 ◼   ► know get outside Mari [TS]

01:34:05 ◼   ► something triggered a trick or treat today though I got a good when I got [TS]

01:34:09 ◼   ► fifteen thousand steps so you know once you sign gets tired you which will [TS]

01:34:15 ◼   ► happen something dogging you have something to do in your old age [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► dog for a walk every day makes you get outside like you're not a smoker a [TS]

01:34:23 ◼   ► reason to be outside in the winter some reason to be out there you to track your [TS]

01:34:30 ◼   ► steps you know I think I would I might be interested in trying it like I like [TS]

01:34:35 ◼   ► leon set to the gameplay type thing but it's just that it's never come up I do [TS]

01:34:39 ◼   ► like sure as hell don't want anything on my wrist watch right but I don't want to [TS]

01:34:44 ◼   ► put this attached there and then once the clip onto your clothes like I know [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► it's just like my laundry machines we did like it you know I'm not I'm not [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► responsible enough to have $100 little you know rubberized electronic turds [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► clipped my clothes to wash in the first week and I'll buy another one [TS]

01:34:59 ◼   ► essentially it's like it's like a tax like you know average of $75 a month for [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► the rest of my life to keep I knew Fitbit yeah exactly the same I I bought [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► one I bought the IndieGoGo project Kickstarter one of those things it was [TS]

01:35:12 ◼   ► called the misfit shine misfit as the company and its like you know if it and [TS]

01:35:21 ◼   ► it was a little at a little quarter sized desk and had a couple of ways you [TS]

01:35:25 ◼   ► can way you could wear it on your wrist I chose not to I magnin thing I put into [TS]

01:35:29 ◼   ► my pants and I had it for six days before I lost it on the seventh day I [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► was aware that thing and I'm no child somewhere you know idea yeah and I [TS]

01:35:38 ◼   ► didn't remember I couldn't remember the last time I checked it from the day [TS]

01:35:42 ◼   ► before I remember I definitely had it the day before and at some point I [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► didn't have it and so the phone is the perfect thing that because the phone is [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► like you're not gonna lose track of how much money and use it all the time and [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► it's got the tractor and it doesn't kill your battery so you're good to go [TS]

01:35:55 ◼   ► like I put that I put the underscore Deviousness but are pluses than my [TS]

01:35:59 ◼   ► wife's iPhone it doesn't work for her unfortunately because her phone is not [TS]

01:36:03 ◼   ► allowed in all sorts of places in her work so it's like she doesn't get better [TS]

01:36:08 ◼   ► he doesn't get the benefit of the steps that are taking place when she doesn't [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► have her phone with a long time that has to be left elsewhere so she's hurt our [TS]

01:36:15 ◼   ► numbers are low but she has excuses like it's a secure zone 12 stories out there [TS]

01:36:21 ◼   ► any way to get there is a flight of stairs to see the person the office of [TS]

01:36:28 ◼   ► the longest hallway in the whole facility no credit Maxwell Smart Gilas [TS]

01:36:33 ◼   ► doors right white house in fabrics what's your favorite thing what's your [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► favorite thing that they did this year and maverick's I send us an ATP that we [TS]

01:36:45 ◼   ► recorded earlier in the weekend people gonna think I'm crazy or or a total noob [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► as the kids say like you know the whole thing about 1-10 was slow after ever [TS]

01:36:54 ◼   ► release of august 10 people on the forums will install and loved it so much [TS]

01:36:58 ◼   ► snappier right and it's because every time you install a new version of the OS [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► like all your applications everything is fresh like the caches are rebuilt for [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► you like you know it's all of course it feels faster like you just like like [TS]

01:37:10 ◼   ► System Preferences it was like one bounce it opened Raptors nothing else [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► happening in machine to just rebooted in just reinstalled the OS of course it [TS]

01:37:16 ◼   ► bill snappy right so that matter fact has always been right but I really feel [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► like having installed Mavericks and so many machines that actually does he feel [TS]

01:37:26 ◼   ► snap you're not taking into account that yes of course is gonna be a snapper is [TS]

01:37:30 ◼   ► quickly I've been using it for days and days [TS]

01:37:32 ◼   ► days like this you know the release version on Mario machines do Rio where [TS]

01:37:35 ◼   ► an actual work and it feels snappier and could all be in my head I totally [TS]

01:37:41 ◼   ► willing to believe that all my head but if it's not all my head what is coming [TS]

01:37:45 ◼   ► from is my computer is doing less useless crap and and that means it has [TS]

01:37:50 ◼   ► it's more available to do the stuff that I wanted to do and so you know it could [TS]

01:37:54 ◼   ► just be the difference in animation somewhere could could be ended by giving [TS]

01:37:57 ◼   ► a terminal for instance like when I use terminal and you know ellis or something [TS]

01:38:03 ◼   ► local directory do something that's beside Texas seems like a text appears [TS]

01:38:06 ◼   ► in the terminal window faster and like that can't be possible how could it [TS]

01:38:09 ◼   ► already appears so lightening fast like you most like I was waiting for their [TS]

01:38:12 ◼   ► characters it was already so fast [TS]

01:38:13 ◼   ► why does it feel faster to me so there's some either you know psychological not [TS]

01:38:20 ◼   ► really there but I think it's there are actual kind of like trickery in a [TS]

01:38:23 ◼   ► procedure just down from ABC right now if you would just feels it just feels [TS]

01:38:30 ◼   ► more efficient to me I think it's subtle but I think it I think it does feel a [TS]

01:38:35 ◼   ► little snap you're too and I'm running it mostly on a very old PowerBook 2008 [TS]

01:38:39 ◼   ► MacBook MacBook Pro and the 2010 MacBook Air that I mentioned in my my iPad [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► review not new stuff you know so there's definitely a national icon both machines [TS]

01:38:53 ◼   ► it feels a little simpler and I think there's gotta be room for that [TS]

01:38:57 ◼   ► Snap Fitness improvement because specifically just comparing the way Mac [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► OS 10 feels to an iPad even older iPads and you know it was just the whole [TS]

01:39:09 ◼   ► initial appeal of iOS is my god this this feels so much more responsive to my [TS]

01:39:14 ◼   ► input than my computer even though it's only you know a 10 Thursday 20th as [TS]

01:39:21 ◼   ► powerful as you know CPU eyes favorite like real feature that is not on my head [TS]

01:39:27 ◼   ► is the new version are you using my main browser but I also run chrome all data [TS]

01:39:34 ◼   ► is used to browse have certain things i doing certain things i doing so far as [TS]

01:39:37 ◼   ► far as my default and one of the things I always liked about so far as I felt [TS]

01:39:42 ◼   ► like [TS]

01:39:43 ◼   ► when I had command then to make a new window which I can only do they don't [TS]

01:39:46 ◼   ► always use tabs too crowded to make a new window just like it was fast like [TS]

01:39:50 ◼   ► like a native UI everything about his native was fast right and chrome what I [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► liked about it was I felt like one so far we start to get hung up a special [TS]

01:39:59 ◼   ► Safari six-man you know the WebKit to thing where I would get hung up on you [TS]

01:40:02 ◼   ► get a dialog box yet to reload all you want us to piss me off to no end when [TS]

01:40:06 ◼   ► that happened to win something was slower I just like the progress bar in [TS]

01:40:10 ◼   ► Safari just like hang in there I always knew I could switch to Chrome make a new [TS]

01:40:14 ◼   ► window and because it was a separate process no matter what the hell's going [TS]

01:40:17 ◼   ► on all my other chrome tabs on other criminals no matter what the health [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► authorities doing being hung I can get a new chrome window and it will load the [TS]

01:40:24 ◼   ► damn thing that I want to load cos independent and so going to process [TS]

01:40:27 ◼   ► pratap in Safari is like you know i maybe this is just me people writing to [TS]

01:40:32 ◼   ► say I still get that dialog box it says you know things are not responding it's [TS]

01:40:36 ◼   ► not all the tabs and Safari now just a few of them which I suppose could happen [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► but I get I used to get that pages and I responded by now you know you know visit [TS]

01:40:44 ◼   ► page reload all the tabs think get used to get on the old version of Safari [TS]

01:40:47 ◼   ► constantly was driving me nuts was driving to the point where I was [TS]

01:40:50 ◼   ► thinking of switching my default browser and during the whole course of writing [TS]

01:40:53 ◼   ► the review on a mountain lion system I kept getting it again and again it was [TS]

01:40:57 ◼   ► like taunting me like saying goodbye to me and I never once not once still [TS]

01:41:00 ◼   ► haven't not one's gotten it on mattresses party 7 I don't you know I [TS]

01:41:03 ◼   ► may happen you know and maybe when it happens it still happens the effect is [TS]

01:41:08 ◼   ► less but I just haven't seen it all and that that that is a big change in my [TS]

01:41:12 ◼   ► daily life because if you use Safari browser and you get that thing like more [TS]

01:41:16 ◼   ► than you know once every couple of weeks it really changes when they just goes [TS]

01:41:20 ◼   ► away you don't see that anymore [TS]

01:41:22 ◼   ► guy you the story just told is exactly everything about it I'd safari is my [TS]

01:41:28 ◼   ► default browser I run I've run into that dialog box all the time [TS]

01:41:36 ◼   ► over the you know the time that far is used that to to process architecture you [TS]

01:41:43 ◼   ► know where there is one [TS]

01:41:44 ◼   ► to render the UI and one monolithic process to handle all of the rendering [TS]

01:41:49 ◼   ► that whole time was it just just one OS release or was it to its releases was it [TS]

01:41:54 ◼   ► just mountain lion I'm so bad I remember when I am I think it might have been [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► lyin and Mallory WebKit the whole time I ran into that so many times and when it [TS]

01:42:04 ◼   ► would get bad that that that and that reason alone made me think that maybe I [TS]

01:42:09 ◼   ► should switch to Chrome as my main browser the only reason and there's not [TS]

01:42:14 ◼   ► one other thing about crime that I prefer to Safari except for the fact [TS]

01:42:18 ◼   ► that Chrome OS four years is headed [TS]

01:42:21 ◼   ► you know each tab gets its own rendering process I do like other things about [TS]

01:42:25 ◼   ► crime like I you know I when I use Google's applications nice marriage [TS]

01:42:30 ◼   ► between all their crazy you know stuff they do to make things fast and [TS]

01:42:33 ◼   ► everything but just like it's just chromis and again people have different [TS]

01:42:36 ◼   ► experiences people you know me and say you keep saying chrome is solid crisis [TS]

01:42:40 ◼   ► me all the time [TS]

01:42:40 ◼   ► chrome is so solid for me like I i'm in the beta channel 4 chrome attorney went [TS]

01:42:44 ◼   ► to the regular releases I'm on the bandits every time a new beta comes out [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► I just get it automatically and even that just I always know if I go to [TS]

01:42:51 ◼   ► chrome and make a new window or new tab I can load a page you will never know [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► what's happening like their their architecture is so good and maybe [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► safaris not up to that level yet but chrome was always been just rock solid [TS]

01:43:03 ◼   ► and yet they are you Alex weird and I don't like how it's not native and all [TS]

01:43:06 ◼   ► those stuff but there are things I do like about chrome I wouldn't say that [TS]

01:43:09 ◼   ► there's nothing else I don't like about but there's nothing there that tempted [TS]

01:43:12 ◼   ► me to switch because I'm not a big user of Google Apps I don't like the stuff [TS]

01:43:16 ◼   ► that I don't like I don't like the non-standard you I so that I'm not [TS]

01:43:20 ◼   ► saying that I can see why other people use Chrome for other reasons but for me [TS]

01:43:24 ◼   ► the main thing that was always drawing it was the processor architecture and [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► more recently work-related like I've found myself using the dev tools built [TS]

01:43:37 ◼   ► into chrome I mean you know you think all the boat basin where she was like [TS]

01:43:40 ◼   ► the WebKit debugger but they've diverged significantly over the years in terms of [TS]

01:43:44 ◼   ► those things look like they're pretty much feature compromised web inspector [TS]

01:43:47 ◼   ► does it has featured lacks features is just the way things are arranged again [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► with chrome being so reliable [TS]

01:43:54 ◼   ► and you know when you're debugging you went back to doing all sorts of crazy [TS]

01:43:56 ◼   ► crap and seven break points in putting in bed JavaScript are you trying to fix [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► and also to things that can very quickly get Safari confused in hose and hose the [TS]

01:44:05 ◼   ► whole a piano back in the bad old days was host [TS]

01:44:08 ◼   ► just i i run chrome never have the relaunching its only work when I'm doing [TS]

01:44:12 ◼   ► work related stuff and debugging JavaScript that it could be a WebKit [TS]

01:44:15 ◼   ► related issues or just testing it without that I'm writing in JavaScript I [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► do all my debugging chrome these days even though it's not as nice and pretty [TS]

01:44:23 ◼   ► as the debugger and and so far in Safari about tomorrow has gotten a lot better I [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► just find myself you know even now with Safari 7 I still use Chrome as my [TS]

01:44:31 ◼   ► debugger a used to be their use Firebug in Firefox back when nobody had good to [TS]

01:44:35 ◼   ► buying supper Firefox but so Google feature that most people don't care [TS]

01:44:39 ◼   ► about if your web developer I think Chrome's web development tools have [TS]

01:44:43 ◼   ► really come a long way and I mean on them every day I think with Safari [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► breaking the law breaking it [TS]

01:44:51 ◼   ► WebKit into the separate process architecture and it seems like there's a [TS]

01:44:54 ◼   ► big political back story to that you mentioned it we're we're invited Google [TS]

01:44:59 ◼   ► to contribute there's to the WebKit project and Google declined and I also [TS]

01:45:07 ◼   ► received recalled reading something about how that it wasn't that great [TS]

01:45:11 ◼   ► anyway that maybe you know that that it was a lot of working what they've [TS]

01:45:16 ◼   ► learned up with with for WebKit to now with this processor architecture is a [TS]

01:45:21 ◼   ► lot better than I don't have the better than chrome but better for WebKit as a [TS]

01:45:27 ◼   ► project in Chrome's specific implementation would have been now I [TS]

01:45:32 ◼   ► mean it's a little bit sour grapes kinda like if you look at the putting chrome [TS]

01:45:38 ◼   ► if you look at the krome documents that I LinkedIn thing chrome has the [TS]

01:45:41 ◼   ► flexibility to do you know the chromium open source project is based on has the [TS]

01:45:45 ◼   ► flexibility to all sorts of different arrangements in terms of processes in [TS]

01:45:48 ◼   ► tabs and stuff like that [TS]

01:45:50 ◼   ► you know it's very flexible and a lot of that stuff is implemented its embedded [TS]

01:45:54 ◼   ► in the application layer versus being implemented in the engine layer whereas [TS]

01:45:57 ◼   ► when they did in WebKit like [TS]

01:45:59 ◼   ► Goulet said here you go like where you know will rip the stuff out of our [TS]

01:46:04 ◼   ► chromium stop animal integrated into WebKit and refactor chrome to no longer [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► do the stuff of the application level but to use this thing that we put into [TS]

01:46:12 ◼   ► WebKit like I think you know I would have liked that because I like a Google [TS]

01:46:16 ◼   ► authority worked out this process stuff and this is really solid but you know [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► Google might have thought that's not the proper place where we like the layer we [TS]

01:46:23 ◼   ► picked up whatever and you know so that you do something and what it did was put [TS]

01:46:29 ◼   ► in the engine will make it an engine that will feature because we think [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► that's the right place for it or whatever and I don't think there's [TS]

01:46:35 ◼   ► anything you know it's a difference in philosophy difference in design there's [TS]

01:46:37 ◼   ► nothing about Apple's approach that said it was necessary going to be better or [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► worse just had bugs like that not you know it's not working right when things [TS]

01:46:45 ◼   ► get weird like that why did a bug that have bugs because it's more difficult to [TS]

01:46:48 ◼   ► make fifteen different processes are you know to make one process communicate [TS]

01:46:51 ◼   ► with another than to have a one-to-one link tags came with you on way back and [TS]

01:46:56 ◼   ► versus having you know process pratap we're fine if one goes off the rails it [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► doesn't affect anything else I don't know all I know is that the result was [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► that chrome [TS]

01:47:06 ◼   ► kicking some parties but in terms of stability and something had to be done [TS]

01:47:09 ◼   ► and just in terms of what you know what is it like to use it you know just put [TS]

01:47:14 ◼   ► the anything you can quantify aside you know put the stopwatch down just use it [TS]

01:47:19 ◼   ► it just felt responsive and you'd like you said you can always hit commandeer [TS]

01:47:23 ◼   ► command and get a new tab at any time whereas it's far as sometimes you end up [TS]

01:47:27 ◼   ► with the spinner [TS]

01:47:28 ◼   ► classic Mac OS and you know ten like pre-emptive multitasking force [TS]

01:47:34 ◼   ► cooperative whereas on in the old classic Mac days you could anger and [TS]

01:47:38 ◼   ► application to a degree that it would prevent you from doing something else [TS]

01:47:40 ◼   ► where nos 10 never know how screwed some application is already a Twitter client [TS]

01:47:45 ◼   ► like I do this when I like a beach ball and application I just go over to [TS]

01:47:48 ◼   ► another application that other applications not beach bowl that [TS]

01:47:50 ◼   ► sampling events off the Q like you know that's we take that for granted but the [TS]

01:47:54 ◼   ► modern OS that you know the processes are independent the job of the OS to [TS]

01:47:57 ◼   ► keep them independent [TS]

01:47:58 ◼   ► web browsers even though it's one application you know logically speaking [TS]

01:48:03 ◼   ► you think of it as like while there may be one application but I have a [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► bazillion tabs open I want to see this tab I don't care of that with some [TS]

01:48:11 ◼   ► stupid flashing it's done right and so that architecture like the web browser [TS]

01:48:15 ◼   ► it's such an important application that it becomes a microcosm of the OS itself [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► it's like you know another level of hierarchy and within this application [TS]

01:48:23 ◼   ► those tabs better be independent of each other just like processes are [TS]

01:48:26 ◼   ► independent of each other in the LSC make the tabs process and that's it it's [TS]

01:48:30 ◼   ► natural and it makes sense like the other approach could have worked it [TS]

01:48:33 ◼   ► worked fine we wouldn't be having this conversation but it didn't so comes up [TS]

01:48:36 ◼   ► on changing and I i have been under the impression and I might be again I could [TS]

01:48:40 ◼   ► be wrong on this but I was under the impression that somebody told me this [TS]

01:48:45 ◼   ► are not getting my memory is really sore loser John but I seem to recall some [TS]

01:48:51 ◼   ► discussion but the gist of it was Apple's Safari team never really thought [TS]

01:48:57 ◼   ► that that monolithic rendering process that handles all of your tabs was the [TS]

01:49:04 ◼   ► the right decision it was what they it was just a matter of time that they [TS]

01:49:09 ◼   ► wanted to break rendering into a separate process for security reasons [TS]

01:49:13 ◼   ► only and it was really about security and the and having all the plugins you [TS]

01:49:18 ◼   ► know in a sandbox rendering process and that they could get that done in time [TS]

01:49:24 ◼   ► for Lion and mountain lions but that the work that we now see to get you know [TS]

01:49:30 ◼   ► each tablet on rendering process you know it was going to take this long [TS]

01:49:35 ◼   ► anyway so was it better or worse in the interim to have it split into that [TS]

01:49:40 ◼   ► monolithic 1 I'm almost think it was worse that they would have been better [TS]

01:49:43 ◼   ► security damn the security implications it would have been better to stick with [TS]

01:49:47 ◼   ► the old Safari architecture you know where it wasn't a separate process took [TS]

01:49:53 ◼   ► the lesson of Windows XP you know too hard and said like the web it's so [TS]

01:49:57 ◼   ► dangerous to have something that wasn't just like sandboxing plug is one thing [TS]

01:50:00 ◼   ► the second thing was like sandboxing JavaScript execution so there's someone [TS]

01:50:04 ◼   ► found that exploit where they could put JavaScript coding a web page that would [TS]

01:50:07 ◼   ► you know 'cause about our phone your JavaScript engine and cause arbitrary [TS]

01:50:10 ◼   ► code execution that now all of a sudden you have a web page dick like take out [TS]

01:50:14 ◼   ► people's max steel information and stuff like that and that's especially in the [TS]

01:50:19 ◼   ► days before I like that you know that the big push to like you know send [TS]

01:50:23 ◼   ► everybody updates constantly have you know that obvious being shoved in [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► people's faces he had a chance of upgrading everybody like it was still [TS]

01:50:30 ◼   ► you know coming off the days were like oh god if suddenly they were you know [TS]

01:50:34 ◼   ► and exploit out there that we didn't find out about until it started [TS]

01:50:38 ◼   ► affecting people's computers and internet web browser and everybody's [TS]

01:50:40 ◼   ► using into going over the web [TS]

01:50:42 ◼   ► we're screwed so I understand the priority of like we gotta get JavaScript [TS]

01:50:46 ◼   ► execution you know any place any executable code the road from Larry Page [TS]

01:50:49 ◼   ► runs it needs to be running somewhere has no privileges such a process where [TS]

01:50:53 ◼   ► can't do anything and yes same thing with plugins get them in a sandbox [TS]

01:50:56 ◼   ► because the dow I mean I guess the Congress was if we get something like [TS]

01:51:02 ◼   ► that happens [TS]

01:51:04 ◼   ► max get a reputation for being bad and unsafe in our browser is insecure and [TS]

01:51:08 ◼   ► stuff like that and just get it done and hopefully they were hoping it would work [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► out but stability wise it didn't but it's still still probably better than [TS]

01:51:18 ◼   ► the alternative [TS]

01:51:19 ◼   ► you know so far is being flaky and occasionally getting that dialogue like [TS]

01:51:23 ◼   ► you know once a week or so if you're lucky or unlucky does not make the [TS]

01:51:27 ◼   ► evening news so to speak [TS]

01:51:29 ◼   ► metaphorically speaking of the scary thing it web page takes over your [TS]

01:51:35 ◼   ► computer makes the news that's what its Windows XP all over again like it was a [TS]

01:51:39 ◼   ► PR disaster for the worst thing that could happen to you want to get their [TS]

01:51:43 ◼   ► reputations hard to shake it so they probably made the right call but you [TS]

01:51:46 ◼   ► know like so many things in like so many things in people's lives like Howard of [TS]

01:51:52 ◼   ► our lives have been better if mommy and daddy stayed together how our allies be [TS]

01:51:56 ◼   ► different if Google and Apple you know it's divided up the labors of inventing [TS]

01:52:02 ◼   ► the future was cool during the service I double during the client side and had [TS]

01:52:05 ◼   ► not split up the way they did and you know this is just another another [TS]

01:52:09 ◼   ► artifact that divorce that their interests were not aligned when it came [TS]

01:52:13 ◼   ► to you know Google made chrome because it totally line with his interest [TS]

01:52:17 ◼   ► built in webcam which allowed without interest but it eventually their [TS]

01:52:20 ◼   ► interest diverted enough to now they're doing blinking apples left with WebKit [TS]

01:52:24 ◼   ► and they couldn't agree on the process thing and like it's just it's all [TS]

01:52:27 ◼   ► fallout from that spot in the mail today I just got an advance copy of dog fight [TS]

01:52:35 ◼   ► which is Fred Vogel Stein's new book comes out this week he's the guy who [TS]

01:52:40 ◼   ► wrote that story that was in the new york was actually an excerpt from the [TS]

01:52:43 ◼   ► book that was in the new york times a few weeks ago where he talked to the [TS]

01:52:46 ◼   ► engineer he got like a former Apple engineer to go on the record and talk [TS]

01:52:50 ◼   ► about the launch of the original iPhone member that story was great it since the [TS]

01:52:54 ◼   ► paper I'm ready so it's that was an excerpt from this book and adjust to the [TS]

01:52:58 ◼   ► book is just specifically how do you know that Apple Apple and Google's fight [TS]

01:53:06 ◼   ► over you know iOS and Android you know starting I think you know I haven't read [TS]

01:53:13 ◼   ► the book yet but probably starting like 2005 2006 when they were still saw it [TS]

01:53:17 ◼   ► it's like you said adding it up with Google doin the services and Apple doing [TS]

01:53:21 ◼   ► the devices and how they got from there to here with other important I don't [TS]

01:53:26 ◼   ► read a lot of books like that but this one time and especially based on the [TS]

01:53:30 ◼   ► exam which I thought was really dynamite [TS]

01:53:32 ◼   ► nerds like us are so desperate for any real first-hand accounts from inside and [TS]

01:53:36 ◼   ► you know it's kind of like you just get it from like it seems like you're not [TS]

01:53:40 ◼   ► going to get it you're not going to get intense like a five or whatever but [TS]

01:53:44 ◼   ► you'll get like some random dude you never heard of you like so hungry for [TS]

01:53:47 ◼   ► any scrap of information about like he was there and you know under the worst [TS]

01:53:51 ◼   ► thing about that is you never know that guy could have an agenda and giving you [TS]

01:53:55 ◼   ► could be giving you a skewed view of things but you'll never know she's the [TS]

01:53:58 ◼   ► only person talking at all so we got to go on and we just we just want to know [TS]

01:54:00 ◼   ► how it happened it's our version of like people magazine yeah and it is this sort [TS]

01:54:05 ◼   ► of like a pretty prisoner's dilemma aspect to it where it makes sense if [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► everybody just keeps their mouth shut but if one guy speaks up he's gonna put [TS]

01:54:14 ◼   ► the story out there in his best light and so it kind of makes sense for [TS]

01:54:19 ◼   ► everybody to talk and makes that's what makes it so surprising that Apple is [TS]

01:54:23 ◼   ► maintained [TS]

01:54:24 ◼   ► not the secrecy of why you working on stuff it's not that hard but even the [TS]

01:54:28 ◼   ► fact that you know five six seven eight years later people don't talk about [TS]

01:54:32 ◼   ► Apple stuff is kind of impressive but we get like the book that would appeal to [TS]

01:54:37 ◼   ► me and maybe two other words like you and everything would be this week at [TS]

01:54:41 ◼   ► this like ambien Lee where people will come off to come out of apple and many [TS]

01:54:45 ◼   ► years will pass and they'll tell you like more or less benign stories about [TS]

01:54:49 ◼   ► you know like I like the writer's block website he was work tonight DVD back in [TS]

01:54:55 ◼   ► the day was that guys name I forget but whatever you like it but it's so far [TS]

01:55:02 ◼   ► removed now he's just gonna tell some like you know it's not gossip reasonably [TS]

01:55:06 ◼   ► pleasant stories about like what it was like trying to deal with the iDVD intro [TS]

01:55:10 ◼   ► and even like an add-on melton telling stories about you know they're not [TS]

01:55:13 ◼   ► another type of thing that makes for a sensational excerpts from books but the [TS]

01:55:17 ◼   ► accumulation of all the stories that you either people publisher you here at WWDC [TS]

01:55:21 ◼   ► like they're not sensational in themselves but you start to form a [TS]

01:55:24 ◼   ► picture from just from the from the fringes from each little persons [TS]

01:55:28 ◼   ► anecdotes like this store in our story starring you start to get sort of like [TS]

01:55:32 ◼   ► we have an outside perspective we know nothing and now like now the shape is [TS]

01:55:36 ◼   ► dimly visible underneath the black cloth like just from the accumulation of these [TS]

01:55:39 ◼   ► nice stories from like friendly people die every senior people and it's so many [TS]

01:55:43 ◼   ► years removed like at this point I remember what I DVD was to remember like [TS]

01:55:47 ◼   ► the loading IMAX no one cares about things they feel safe in talking about [TS]

01:55:51 ◼   ► that it's not you know someone just like if we can get the big names ever talk to [TS]

01:55:58 ◼   ► someone just collected up all the little names twenty years roadway you could [TS]

01:56:01 ◼   ► make a nice sort of anthology isn't the IDV story I DVDs for another one of [TS]

01:56:06 ◼   ► those like thirty second meetings with Steve Jobs like the story that they had [TS]

01:56:11 ◼   ► like this they had all these complex mock-ups of different ways did the [TS]

01:56:15 ◼   ► design and they were going to present these all these mock ups to Steve Jobs [TS]

01:56:18 ◼   ► and they came in went to the white board through a rectangle said here's our [TS]

01:56:22 ◼   ► interface you drag video here and then there's a button at the bottom it says [TS]

01:56:26 ◼   ► Rep [TS]

01:56:27 ◼   ► and indeed like walked it is left [TS]

01:56:30 ◼   ► something along those lines and the other part of the stories like what it [TS]

01:56:33 ◼   ► was like to be behind the scenes are responsible for making one of steve's [TS]

01:56:37 ◼   ► like old style macworld demos you know like 30 S 10 free iPhone pre everything [TS]

01:56:43 ◼   ► to make one of those demos go off without a hitch and everything that goes [TS]

01:56:46 ◼   ► on behind the scenes was there was a recent story about that [TS]

01:56:52 ◼   ► what was there was some PC software and their like paranoid that it wasn't gonna [TS]

01:56:57 ◼   ► work in their dreams from your pockets are drinking in the audience now that's [TS]

01:57:01 ◼   ► that's the friend focusing story from the engine at the original iPhone them [TS]

01:57:06 ◼   ► you must have talked about it now and the end they they had a flask Scott said [TS]

01:57:10 ◼   ► they were passing in the odds of getting through that the demo perfectly and you [TS]

01:57:14 ◼   ► know that's that's how you can hear from the guy who's like you know his name is [TS]

01:57:18 ◼   ► not on the marquee he's not he's not on that the PR BIOS page but he's the poor [TS]

01:57:23 ◼   ► guy who's in charge of the particular application this morning and it damn [TS]

01:57:27 ◼   ► well better work and each time one of the guys like you know the second or [TS]

01:57:30 ◼   ► third row Apple guys you know the engineers had been invited each time [TS]

01:57:34 ◼   ► your thing that thing you had work done if you worked on you know mail and when [TS]

01:57:40 ◼   ► it got through the iPhone male demo and it didn't crash then you'd just quick [TS]

01:57:45 ◼   ► take the flask and be like thank God Almighty you know I may have passed my [TS]

01:57:49 ◼   ► part my mind wasn't the thing that blew up on stage blood like to give her my [TS]

01:57:54 ◼   ► you get down to the little like the stage at the memories they like how [TS]

01:57:59 ◼   ► things look great side of the stage like an elevator and those things I've got [TS]

01:58:03 ◼   ► stuck there would be hell to pay so you know some guys up and down twenty times [TS]

01:58:07 ◼   ► make sure that doesn't fall when it goes up and down the river somebody told me [TS]

01:58:15 ◼   ► once that and I'm sure they still do it caused by this topic that after the [TS]

01:58:22 ◼   ► final rehearsal which I then again I don't know if this is true who knows but [TS]

01:58:28 ◼   ► I've always heard that they do want the morning of the events that there's like [TS]

01:58:31 ◼   ► a saint you know they rehearse the day before all day too late at night and [TS]

01:58:35 ◼   ► then the morning they do a rehearsal I don't know better true enough but after [TS]

01:58:40 ◼   ► the last rehearsal a white glove team comes out and wipes everything down the [TS]

01:58:45 ◼   ► desks that the demo max are on the demo max you know [TS]

01:58:50 ◼   ► everything everything gets wiped down with white gloves to factory fresh [TS]

01:58:55 ◼   ► perfect that status [TS]

01:58:58 ◼   ► the reason why just because even just hearing that story makes me nervous that [TS]

01:59:05 ◼   ► the guys wiping stuff down there in like bumper cable is right and screw up like [TS]