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00:12:33 ◼   ► drop off the tethering and see if AT&T are usually you can get at least one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/753">TS</a>]

00:12:40 ◼   ► only when you have both it's it's it's very becomes very clear that neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/760">TS</a>]

00:12:44 ◼   ► network is overall better than the other like they both have dropped spots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/764">TS</a>]

00:12:50 ◼   ► and crappy areas used a slightly different and you know it could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/770">TS</a>]

00:12:55 ◼   ► right where the antenna is you know there are certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58 ◼   ► hotels that I've stayed at regularly were sometimes I'll get a room and get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01 ◼   ► good signal and same hotel I guess maybe I always get twisted around in a hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/781">TS</a>]

00:13:06 ◼   ► but on the other side of the building and I don't get a good signal in my town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/786">TS</a>]

00:13:13 ◼   ► is very hilly hills and CNN radio signals do not get along but on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/793">TS</a>]

00:13:18 ◼   ► our town hall there's an AT&T tower and I can actually like there's a window in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/798">TS</a>]

00:13:24 ◼   ► my house from which I can just barely see my line of sight to the AT&T a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/804">TS</a>]

00:13:28 ◼   ► antenna so the 80 covers of town fantastically and I guess rise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/808">TS</a>]

00:13:34 ◼   ► didn't make a deal so they don't and it doesn't matter but anyway so I am having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/814">TS</a>]

00:13:40 ◼   ► a hard time getting sad about the iPad because I've kind of stopped using iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43 ◼   ► to love who use them like for work and and I've just never really gotten never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/823">TS</a>]

00:13:50 ◼   ► crossed that that liner or gotten into that pattern I guess depends on what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/830">TS</a>]

00:13:56 ◼   ► do some days I do a lot of reading them and some days it is involved in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/836">TS</a>]

00:14:02 ◼   ► three things Mac iPhone iPad I do not a day goes by round not using my Mac well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/842">TS</a>]

00:14:08 ◼   ► I guess like a family vacation or something that i guess i phone is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/848">TS</a>]

00:14:11 ◼   ► one where every single day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/851">TS</a>]

00:14:12 ◼   ► Mac I use every day that a quote working iPad who knows I get an offer I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/852">TS</a>]

00:14:20 ◼   ► it's worth it I think it was worth it well worth the purchase but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23 ◼   ► it's clearly if I had to I had to leave one behind it was clearly whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/863">TS</a>]

00:14:27 ◼   ► think I mean that same thing like part of that is why I like the many because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/867">TS</a>]

00:14:32 ◼   ► at least smaller and lighter so it's like if I'm trying to make a bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/872">TS</a>]

00:14:36 ◼   ► reasonably light to carry somewhere like it's not that big of a deal but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/876">TS</a>]

00:14:43 ◼   ► know I mean like I can totally understand the market for these giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46 ◼   ► screen phones because ideally like if Apple made a bigger screen iPhone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/886">TS</a>]

00:14:51 ◼   ► don't most certainly get it for myself because I i do more of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/891">TS</a>]

00:14:55 ◼   ► people do i do so much of that just on my phone with everything else yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/895">TS</a>]

00:14:59 ◼   ► around then that I think I would you know I wouldn't miss the extra pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/899">TS</a>]

00:15:03 ◼   ► space you know who cares a big pants and even for like you know like ebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/903">TS</a>]

00:15:08 ◼   ► reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09 ◼   ► paper reading that sort of thing something that's a big ass that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/909">TS</a>]

00:15:15 ◼   ► to me as were the biggest fans really shine I think I mean maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/915">TS</a>]

00:15:19 ◼   ► certainly but maybe the problem here the reason why haven't used iPads for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/919">TS</a>]

00:15:24 ◼   ► last year for the most part is that I don't want to read on the meaning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/924">TS</a>]

00:15:28 ◼   ► screen sucks and the big one like now that I had this point of comparison of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/928">TS</a>]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the many the big one feels so giant heavy it just feels ridiculous maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/933">TS</a>]

00:15:39 ◼   ► retina many will change things I don't get too excited about our enemy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/939">TS</a>]

00:15:44 ◼   ► I almost for so long I felt like if it took all the other iOS devices two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/944">TS</a>]

00:15:49 ◼   ► to go from nan Ren and take it'll take the iPad Mini to you at least two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/949">TS</a>]

00:15:55 ◼   ► to but maybe you know your sample size right it's not very big and it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/955">TS</a>]

00:16:00 ◼   ► one of those things to wear just the you know the just the way that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/960">TS</a>]

00:16:04 ◼   ► industry everything goes forward so much faster that you know that like just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/964">TS</a>]

00:16:08 ◼   ► same not just the the screen itself but like they're the improvement necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12 ◼   ► improvement to the GPU comes faster to you know that it's not that surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/972">TS</a>]

00:16:17 ◼   ► that it's just one year later also you know look at when the iPhone 4 with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/977">TS</a>]

00:16:22 ◼   ► with the first Retina screen when that was launched look at the landscape of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25 ◼   ► what everyone else had a you know everyone else had low resolution screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28 ◼   ► for a relatively speaking right they were ahead of the curve for now all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/988">TS</a>]

00:16:32 ◼   ► these cheap tablets have really high resolution screens that we had that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/992">TS</a>]

00:16:36 ◼   ► pretty sure all the more dense enough they could be quote retina screens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39 ◼   ► an iPad Mini is like the only one that doesn't happen at this point and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/999">TS</a>]

00:16:44 ◼   ► other thing too is that the difference between retina and on rent is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:48 ◼   ► dramatic I mean I know that there I've heard from a handful of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:53 ◼   ► like you know I really don't see that big difference and I honestly think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56 ◼   ► did they must be visually impaired and mentally affair but it's a rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1016">TS</a>]

00:17:04 ◼   ► opportunity if they wanted to keep the old if they're ever gonna switch to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:10 ◼   ► model where they have a lower price point and but want to make this a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:15 ◼   ► people who could afford who's who who aren't overly price-sensitive still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:20 ◼   ► splurge on the higher higher priced higher margin lines margin red numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:26 ◼   ► is non renders the moment to do that but I don't think I don't think there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:30 ◼   ► ever be a feature that's that easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:33 ◼   ► Oh I see I see exactly what this featured us right there in the store I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:38 ◼   ► think also you can look at how retina is scaling up you know with the phone it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:43 ◼   ► was basically free you know because the the amount of data the size of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:48 ◼   ► screen buffer you know becoming four times larger on a phone size screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:54 ◼   ► was less of a big deal and so yeah the GPU had to get better but phone reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:58 ◼   ► are kind of in that line anyway then you saw it moved to the iPad size that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:05 ◼   ► are substantial tradeoffs and still am in with you know who announced next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08 ◼   ► but still there are you know even the best retina iPad today is big and heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:15 ◼   ► and is noticeably bigger and heavier than the comparable iPad that was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:19 ◼   ► the iPad 2 and then you look at the laptops and they have these retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:23 ◼   ► MacBook Pros which are basically MacBook Airs but they need way more power than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:30 ◼   ► MacBook way more battery power in the MacBook Air and so obviously like as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:34 ◼   ► go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35 ◼   ► multiplying the number of pixels you doing with my for matters more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:39 ◼   ► and takes more horsepower and and is an exponential I don't know if it's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:44 ◼   ► least it's it's at least a matt is working against you here and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:49 ◼   ► possible that you know at the iPad size maybe they just like at the phone they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:55 ◼   ► can just kinda make them already and be fine as you get up scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1135">TS</a>]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you can't do that yet maybe you know maybe in three to five years it'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:04 ◼   ► be like you could fit a Retina screen and some of the size of the MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07 ◼   ► with no battery problems but I don't think we're there yet and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:12 ◼   ► still a couple years off yeah I think there's a there's a contingent of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:16 ◼   ► who always complain and I love them because I do like I love a dent but if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:22 ◼   ► don't know it might not be the best word to mispronounce it had a pronounced I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:28 ◼   ► thought it was but who knows I I really don't know we should both mispronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:35 ◼   ► it just just to anger them identical say pedantic so I love and all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:49 ◼   ► years writing about you know right numbers these devices move whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:54 ◼   ► say that renders double the resolution there's a contingent people's houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:58 ◼   ► four times the resolution because they're they're talking about area as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:03 ◼   ► opposed to write that it's you know four times the pixels so you should say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:08 ◼   ► four times the resolution and I've always stuck to double because to me by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:14 ◼   ► their logic doubling the resolution would just be sort of incremental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17 ◼   ► increase you know like to me yes but and I was feeling better to downplay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:24 ◼   ► marketing he's aspect of it you know that if I say it four times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:29 ◼   ► resolution it's gonna seem like catering to Apple's wishes you know right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:37 ◼   ► the get way more angry emails from about saying that the new rising twice the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:42 ◼   ► resolution but I think but I think it's useful to keep that in mind when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:46 ◼   ► think about things like the graphics card and the power consumption you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:53 ◼   ► really are lighting up four times more pixels so really might be four times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:57 ◼   ► energy consumption you know it from an engineering perspective in a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00 ◼   ► it does make sense to think of it as a for tax increase not a two X increase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:04 ◼   ► really all the costs go up for X Ray you know that you're not the backlight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:09 ◼   ► Sara Lee goes up some but not for experts still so many other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the Rams all the pics of the GPU has to be pushing in rendering and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:17 ◼   ► all the little transistors in the actual pixels there's more of those so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:21 ◼   ► basically assume it's four times as expensive to supported hardware wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24 ◼   ► even now a year and a half after the the iPad first when it still is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:32 ◼   ► blows my mind that a device that never really operated while it's plugged in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:37 ◼   ► power is pushing that many pixels at 60 frames per second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:42 ◼   ► yeah I mean even look at look at the 15 MacBook Pro and that has a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:46 ◼   ► resolution than my 30 X desktop monitor which I cannot wait until they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:52 ◼   ► every podcast I'm on I'm going to wish for a Retina display until it happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:58 ◼   ► be my team under TV thats let's hold off on that instinct iPad because the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:05 ◼   ► thing now I know I think the other other product i mean you have to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:10 ◼   ► but it's when I am finding the hardest to get excited about is the regular iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:15 ◼   ► case study however I think that they're still the best selling models I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:23 ◼   ► that would be news I think I don't know how I'd be curious to know that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:26 ◼   ► anyone from the numbers I think that they still are but it's hard to tell how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29 ◼   ► many and and some of that is just from me eyeballing you know but people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:33 ◼   ► using on airplanes and stuff like that I would you know I don't know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:37 ◼   ► how you would break that down too hard but I hear from people that that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:42 ◼   ► a ton of iPad 2 still being so special education because it's big and cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:48 ◼   ► assuming they killed the iPad 2 this year which I hope they do it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:52 ◼   ► around for quite a while I'm getting a little tired of supporting a fives but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:56 ◼   ► assuming they kill that then what replaces it at that price point or is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:05 ◼   ► does that become the retina many later the health education people just by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:08 ◼   ► many and you can choose between the cheap one of the retina one I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:12 ◼   ► it'll be a big it'll be a big tell as to how well that iPad 2 did continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:18 ◼   ► sell if they keep a big sized iPad at that price price whether it's the iPad 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:23 ◼   ► dropped in price or whether they actually still keep the iPad 2 around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:27 ◼   ► another year it would be a sign of how well it's selling I think so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:34 ◼   ► there's two big things I can think of to get excited about with the full-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37 ◼   ► iPad one is that I i you know I know that they've been leaks of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:41 ◼   ► the case hardware case that is now a lot more like a big it's a big iPad Mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:48 ◼   ► which sounds stupid but you know the Bible on the side is is narrow and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:54 ◼   ► that same Kirby sort of thing I can't help it is going to be a lot thinner too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and it's hoped lighter you know that they've you know because the screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:02 ◼   ► still gonna be the same that they can can pack everything into a smaller thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:07 ◼   ► and get it back to like an iPad 2 weight thickness and I think that'd be exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:11 ◼   ► to be a dramatic you know percentage wise it may be measured in millimeters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:16 ◼   ► but percentage wise it could be a lot better I think apple also do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:21 ◼   ► they want to capture that the margins of the high-end buyers the early adopters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:26 ◼   ► the nerds the power users they want to get them back behind because they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:30 ◼   ► get a lot more money and we all bought the many this past year because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:36 ◼   ► new and awesome and you know tiny so I think they're gonna do some segmentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:40 ◼   ► there for instance obviously if you look at the economics of the many pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:44 ◼   ► it's not gonna have the a seven so it doesn't have the a seven it's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:47 ◼   ► have to Shady and so I'm guessing if they bring to the iPad which I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:51 ◼   ► actually think it's a guarantee quite yet but if they do protection to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:55 ◼   ► iPad this year I would say it will be only in the big one and that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:01 ◼   ► kind of a way to end of course there were only seven the big one or the use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04 ◼   ► of an ex probably and in the end in the many will still only have the A six acts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:09 ◼   ► that currently powering up at 4 °c that's how I would would bet that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:14 ◼   ► gonna play out that you know but again it's like you said earlier it's a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:18 ◼   ► sample size to drawn to look at last year's iPad Mini and you know where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:22 ◼   ► was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23 ◼   ► annual chain of you know a whatever processors you know last year was a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:29 ◼   ► behind it was still on retina are not read it might be dangerous to us to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that one year of iPad Mini and extrapolate from that but I still that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:38 ◼   ► what I would bet that look at the iPod Touch also had a product has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:42 ◼   ► the low-cost phone size thing and you can think of the many as the low cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:46 ◼   ► iPad size thing and and the iPod Touch always has like last year CPU right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:53 ◼   ► it has two years ago CPU because they didn't they didn't remember all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:57 ◼   ► weekend although we get to that that's another one of my items to speculate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:02 ◼   ► next week is well then maybe you know they do new iPods and maybe instead you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:08 ◼   ► know maybe the fact that they didn't appear alongside the iPhone at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:11 ◼   ► quote-unquote music event you know I'm guessing no because they still did call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:16 ◼   ► that the music event and it would seem weird for Apple marketing wise to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:21 ◼   ► the music event without the iPods and then have the iPod come out five weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:25 ◼   ► later but on the other hand how much does an iPod Touch really have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28 ◼   ► with music at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31 ◼   ► yeah it's a good question and it's kind of more like an iPad iPad yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:40 ◼   ► see them going into a holiday season without new iPod touches but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:44 ◼   ► know they could surprise us to drop the price is a little bit of the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:47 ◼   ► ones I think touch I D for the full-size iPad I think I'm gonna bet yes they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:55 ◼   ► you know that the new full-size iPad is gonna get an A seven of some sort and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:59 ◼   ► if it's gonna have the hd7 it seems like why not put the touch Center in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:04 ◼   ► unless they're really supply constraint on those touch centers which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:10 ◼   ► know I mean it's one of those things where it you know Tim Cook in like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13 ◼   ► other people but but I think though that the full-size iPad I think so far has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:20 ◼   ► remained roughly in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23 ◼   ► in parallel to the top of the line iPhone in terms of major advances lol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:28 ◼   ► didn't get serious first but thats that was more of a software thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:32 ◼   ► something more serious being beta server load reasons I love starting out on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:39 ◼   ► brand new iPhone is probably not an easy way and for surfers it's not like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:44 ◼   ► easy rampa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:45 ◼   ► but one reason for me and I know a lot of readers of Daraa far above like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:52 ◼   ► random email me or treated me the same exact thing which is that they bought an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:56 ◼   ► iPhone 5s and within like 48 hours every time they go to unlock their iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1676">TS</a>]

00:28:01 ◼   ► they're just holding their own thing and they're like hey what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04 ◼   ► then they realized oh and so democratic decisions based on experience like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:12 ◼   ► but you know within Apple they've been using you know that the iPhone 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:16 ◼   ► internally for a while and then surely had the same experience inside Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:22 ◼   ► know that hey now that i unlock my phone this way I can get used to not unlike my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:27 ◼   ► phone this way and so I don't know I feel like it's addictive enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:31 ◼   ► that it would might push them to put it in the first year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:36 ◼   ► yeah I'd say it'll probably be there but I wouldn't say it's a sure thing I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:40 ◼   ► also bet though that however few and I know they said it was more than half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:45 ◼   ► all smartphones don't have a passcode I don't know I can't even imagine what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:49 ◼   ► percentage of iPad passcode is enforced you know it's you know there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:55 ◼   ► some logic behind that you're a lot less likely to let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58 ◼   ► leave a bigger thing behind in a cab or something like that you know it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:04 ◼   ► know phone could fall out of a pocket theory and i've had is a lot less likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:10 ◼   ► to fall out of your pocket but you know it's you know when I travel I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:17 ◼   ► have to remember to keep it at home I turn the passcode off but then when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20 ◼   ► travel a tight turn Pasco man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:24 ◼   ► I think I think you know you don't do that on my iPad usually well I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:30 ◼   ► what could possibly happen to this thing that I leave in my hotel room when I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:34 ◼   ► out all day but the matter of fact that might be worth considering I wish I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:40 ◼   ► said this before I wish the day would do something where you could you could name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:46 ◼   ► a safe WiFi network and that when when you're on this WiFi network prompt for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the passcode the first time since you know you were away from it out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:59 ◼   ► range of this wifi so the first time you saw it could just be found you leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:04 ◼   ► house to go somewhere you come home you need to unlock your phone because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:10 ◼   ► just came home and then in till you leave that wi-fi network just a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:14 ◼   ► actually really good you think about all the different ways that could fail or be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:21 ◼   ► hacked and and making it prompt the first time you join a tour like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:25 ◼   ► time you rejoin a network I think it's pretty solid right because that way if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:29 ◼   ► somebody stole your iPhone but then stood outside the front door of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:33 ◼   ► house it wouldn't automatically unlock I think the problem is like when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:38 ◼   ► phones in your pocket for an hour and you don't even take it out all pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41 ◼   ► short description your wi-fi network yes I might be that that might be the killer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:47 ◼   ► might be you know maybe just tryin to wifi might be wrong I might just be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you know the basic location services then and even if it falls to the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1852">TS</a>]

00:31:01 ◼   ► wider geofence the low you know we've been to the phones been sleeping for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:05 ◼   ► while and it gets a little sloppy here in terms of the precision of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08 ◼   ► geofence to keep the battery you know from from training too fast even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:13 ◼   ► might be close enough other problem is like how annoying would it be if every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:19 ◼   ► time you took your phone in your pocket you have to like kind of think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22 ◼   ► whether he to unlock it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25 ◼   ► like it if it becomes like you have to unlock it a quarter of the time instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of most of the time I that's that's a little weird yeah and maybe that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:36 ◼   ► maybe I'm overthinking it to now that such ideas maybe touch ideas the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:40 ◼   ► is pretty tidy Center in and then you don't have to worry I don't know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:44 ◼   ► stopped I find touch I D a little bit too much effort to be convenient like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:49 ◼   ► what I'm like I use it when I went to singleton which all the cool people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52 ◼   ► are at a used it when he went there and for the first time in and it worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:57 ◼   ► great but as soon as I got in the car to drive home I turned it off I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:03 ◼   ► is you know I guess I was using my phone to play podcast in the car using my new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:09 ◼   ► podcast and almost works and it's always fun using a beta app while driving but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:17 ◼   ► yeah and like even just you know just common things in my phone to like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:23 ◼   ► something quick in the air like stopped at a rest stop it was so inconvenient to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:29 ◼   ► have to unlock it every single time that it was not worth it so you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:35 ◼   ► keep your phone only 10 now I'm only doing it like when I'm out at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:39 ◼   ► conferences on because normally like I'm at my house all day you know i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:44 ◼   ► myself and the people at the deli there's there's not much I'm one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:49 ◼   ► those like compulsive pocket people that like I never leave my phone or my wallet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:54 ◼   ► on the table anywhere I I never even take them out really like when I'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:59 ◼   ► my phone on my wall my keys stay in my pockets either either in pocket or in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:04 ◼   ► hand at all times right like it's never it never out of my physical possession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:09 ◼   ► and yes somebody could pick pocket me in New York but I don't live in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:13 ◼   ► I'll only go to the city like once every three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:17 ◼   ► like I'm hardly ever even in the sea and you know so I can I travel to the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:23 ◼   ► I'll turn it on but day-to-day life I'm sitting in my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:26 ◼   ► really need to constantly be unlock my phone me take a break here today about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:33 ◼   ► our first sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34 ◼   ► good friends back place not to be confused with glass damage wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:42 ◼   ► show why I said black base I forget what it was but whatever i mispronounced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:48 ◼   ► ends up that Backblaze had registered that you are you sure it's not back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:53 ◼   ► blase could be bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56 ◼   ► what do they do it is unlimited on throttled back up for your Mac for $5 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2036">TS</a>]

00:34:06 ◼   ► month which is ridiculous price what can you do once you started using it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:10 ◼   ► access all of your computer's backed up data anywhere with their iOS app and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:16 ◼   ► interface so in other words you backup your stuff with Backblaze you're out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19 ◼   ► take out your iPhone app you can get to everything on your computer you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:24 ◼   ► restore when you need to one file at a time or all your files easily so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:29 ◼   ► I one file you needed to root out how to get it back you can use back please just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:35 ◼   ► to get that file back and I had done that really good like you'd like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:39 ◼   ► like I forgot a spreadsheet on vacation house out somewhere and you'll get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:43 ◼   ► spreadsheet of my computer it wasn't in Dropbox or anything and so I just I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:47 ◼   ► to back down with a just that one file it works great if you drop your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:51 ◼   ► into toilet or something like that trash the whole hard drive water leak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:56 ◼   ► somewhere that somebody steals your MacBook you need to restore everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:01 ◼   ► hard drive failure of course probably the most common reason we back up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:08 ◼   ► can restore everything easily founded by Acts Apple engineers and I i that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:14 ◼   ► good talking point because to me that soon as you say that to me that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17 ◼   ► okay their Mac software is gonna be legit or not installing some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20 ◼   ► janky thing written by people who'd mostly right windows it's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:25 ◼   ► Mavericks ready so that also tells you just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:29 ◼   ► Apple friendly arm there's no add-ons no gimmicks no additional charges just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:34 ◼   ► simple deal you pay $5 a month per computer and you get unlimited on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:40 ◼   ► throttled back up it's super simple easy to use and install it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:45 ◼   ► everything is automatic out where to go I am giving the URL that would help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:51 ◼   ► right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52 ◼   ► www Backblaze dot com slash daring fireball that's the other thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:58 ◼   ► memorable Backblaze their code for this show is daring fire ball as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the talk show her talk show you don't don't don't miss out on that where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:09 ◼   ► came from here that's good that avoids the ambiguity of whether that included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:13 ◼   ► exactly I don't like to put the sponsors down you don't put in their code I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:18 ◼   ► do that their sponsor I thank them you know I don't care what they think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:22 ◼   ► the code is still read it but if you do put I like to the company for attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:32 ◼   ► to detail yeah backpage.com / viable so as for next week I think Brett Ratner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:43 ◼   ► the mini in a new smaller thinner case for the big one and maybe touch you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:50 ◼   ► I don't even I don't even expect the big 12 get that much lighter because it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:55 ◼   ► really large Retina screen it's going to have a high-powered CPU with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:59 ◼   ► high-powered GPU I'm guessing it's probably gonna be smaller like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:03 ◼   ► physically smaller but I've been talking to me that much lighter cuz it most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:07 ◼   ► that weight is the battery will see I don't know it certainly would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:11 ◼   ► polite to focus on that and I would love to see it happen is when the luxury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:15 ◼   ► proven wrong on that has got to be some Mac news next week to I expected very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:21 ◼   ► least in the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23 ◼   ► for Iggy was called up by Tim cocked his to rehash you know what's new in iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:31 ◼   ► and here's you know the eight or ten features of the day that was most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:35 ◼   ► important any kind of rent a room in about 10 minutes I would expect the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:39 ◼   ► thing with maverick's where they're going to 48 you know and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:43 ◼   ► good marketing you repeat your message and I think but I think it's mostly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46 ◼   ► know here's everything they told us about back at WBC they gonna tell it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:49 ◼   ► us again more concisely I definitely expect that and I expect you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:56 ◼   ► clearly I mean I did since they've already shifted something called the GIM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:01 ◼   ► to developers it it's probably coming soon enough it's gonna be released next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:05 ◼   ► week but if not next week I would expect a week later at the latest surprise me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:10 ◼   ► if they cause the events were back on Tuesday or Wednesday private available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Friday yeah that's what I'm thinking that's probably my guess is the event is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:18 ◼   ► Tuesday and then Friday it hits the App Store right for people to buy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:24 ◼   ► download is there he told developers to submit their apps like almost a week ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:28 ◼   ► now and so i i that that to me says this is it they give you about a week they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:36 ◼   ► say submit your apps in the App Store with the GMs TK today and a week later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:40 ◼   ► it comes out yeah that's what i said im guessing they're right on Friday the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:45 ◼   ► 25th yeah yeah that's my bet I can't help but think since they also at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:52 ◼   ► pre announced the Mac Pro and said it was coming this year I can't help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:58 ◼   ► think it's going to be it's gonna be at the next week and whether it goes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:02 ◼   ► sale immediately or you know I'm guessing the Mac Pro is never gonna run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:09 ◼   ► 10.8 it's you know they don't that's usually when they release hardware and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:14 ◼   ► new OS at the same time the hardware's tied to that s so I don't know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:19 ◼   ► will be available for sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you know immediately after the show is over or like in a couple of days but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:24 ◼   ► expected the new Mac Pro gonna go on sale and weirdly they did just released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:29 ◼   ► new iMacs like not that long ago that didn't come with 10.9 obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:35 ◼   ► right was a little bit odd timing on that yeah I guess you know I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:40 ◼   ► there's always a fine line to balance between you know what they want to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43 ◼   ► an event and what they want to just release as it ready I wonder if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:48 ◼   ► the the MacBook Air being released in June that probably has a lot to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:53 ◼   ► back-to-school buying and this is the iMac being released like a month ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:58 ◼   ► whenever that was wonderful has to do with like school budgets or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:02 ◼   ► like that maybe but I was always under the impression that schools especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:06 ◼   ► like Kate well do most of their purchasing in like April and May for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:12 ◼   ► next year that is it it's a months in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:16 ◼   ► sort of before the summer break and that did the if there was any product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:22 ◼   ► was sort of two timed to that schedule was the old iPads the first couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:27 ◼   ► where they would come out in April that that was education by side are now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:33 ◼   ► on the other hand i think thats institutional education there's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:37 ◼   ► back-to-school angle of hate you know my 18 year olds going to college and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:41 ◼   ► needs a computer but I think like you know the the airtime well for that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:46 ◼   ► IMAX or too late for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47 ◼   ► yeah I think so too and I think the percentage of college students today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:53 ◼   ► going with like an iMac style desktop computers gotta be like single digits I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:58 ◼   ► think oh yeah I think everyone has laptops even when I was in college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:03 ◼   ► twelve years ago ten thirteen years ago when I was in college forever ago I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:09 ◼   ► one of the people they were the desktop I mean that and that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12 ◼   ► forever ago it's only been going more and more laptop heavy since then so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:17 ◼   ► think they'd be weird if you stop today I think it would be weird then I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:20 ◼   ► maybe the IB IMAX coming out when they did was just a factor of that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:25 ◼   ► it's just a speedbump nothing new as they came out they were announced at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:30 ◼   ► last year's October event the right the one that was instituted in san Jose has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:38 ◼   ► also been staging out the new CPU releases they came out pretty soon after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the CPUs were available from intel uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and so maybe I mean it looks like the entire about might just be being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:50 ◼   ► detained by the low voltage CPUs and in the desktop CPUs and and the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:56 ◼   ► like the CPU that the Mac Pro is going to use are not out yet for anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2516">TS</a>]

00:42:01 ◼   ► but you can't buy a workstation from Dell with the CPU today so it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:06 ◼   ► we brought everything just waiting on that here's a big one tied to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:11 ◼   ► Pro and I know you you you guys spoke about it on accident Dec prop podcast a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:16 ◼   ► couple times everybody's talking about 04 case and misplace your just mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:21 ◼   ► it earlier in this show I think they've gotta do it I do I mean I guess got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:27 ◼   ► is maybe a little strong but I really I can't help it if they're gonna come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:30 ◼   ► with this fancy new Mac Pro and and spend the time to make all commercials [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:35 ◼   ► foreign stuff and and go with Syracuse en you know it's the race car in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:41 ◼   ► lineup right and it's capable of driving 34 K this blaze at the same time why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:49 ◼   ► wouldn't they wanna sell a fork a display then to be one of them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:54 ◼   ► the fork a display you hook up to it even if it's ungodly expensive because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:59 ◼   ► they they that's the thing is I think that they're going with the Mac Pro is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:03 ◼   ► it's really they're putting the pro back and pro where it really is you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:08 ◼   ► can charge a lot more because they've got these consumer level products that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:12 ◼   ► are a lot lower price and her great right the iMac is a great desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:16 ◼   ► computer as a beautiful display and the MacBook Air is a great laptop and has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:21 ◼   ► good display so they can charge a lot more of some sort of premium for devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:26 ◼   ► with Retina displays and you know if you think well I don't know what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:31 ◼   ► think like a fork a Apple Cinema Display might run man it will depend on the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:37 ◼   ► of the density to you know if if they just took the the 27 inch approximate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:42 ◼   ► size like what they saw now give that for a resolution and I think it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:47 ◼   ► pretty close to read you know it's not quite it's not a doubling of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:51 ◼   ► display today but it's it's like it's near doubling yeah there's another thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:57 ◼   ► since we would have to be bigger than just like the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:00 ◼   ► laptops they can call it written by by just fudging the distance of where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:06 ◼   ► how far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:07 ◼   ► riser from the device I think that a right now and I don't you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:12 ◼   ► by their definition of what read the means I think that's actually not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15 ◼   ► marketing trickery I think it's fair you know people stand tend to be about an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:20 ◼   ► arms length away from a desktop display right so I i think if I mean you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:25 ◼   ► look there already are a few for his place in the market today and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:30 ◼   ► them are like 32 inch size like they're they're bigger if Apple's able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:35 ◼   ► good panel deals and is able to make a 27 @ Fourcade resolution first of all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:41 ◼   ► buy it in a heartbeat by two of them got knows second of all I would guess that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:47 ◼   ► $3,000 display and that's that's why I think they probably won't do it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:51 ◼   ► see i think maybe why not why not well if you look historically when when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:57 ◼   ► original 30 inch Cinema Display came out I believe that the initial price for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00 ◼   ► $3500 it was over 3,000 and and that was a 2005 or something it was a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:07 ◼   ► ago but that was back when Apple was still like Apple could release a $3,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:13 ◼   ► monitor and nobody would care but Apple's different company today you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:17 ◼   ► not not entirely different but everything they sell is under is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:22 ◼   ► designed much more for the mass market and is under much more scrutiny and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:26 ◼   ► they try to bring those prices the entry prices down over time and so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:31 ◼   ► you could really good argument that maybe they won't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:35 ◼   ► desktop display at $3,000 maybe those who wait until that can be 1200 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:40 ◼   ► and do it that certainly not this year it's possible but I thought I tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:44 ◼   ► think no I guess I think the whole idea of the Mac Pro is I would have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:49 ◼   ► amenable to that argument before they unveiled the Mac Pro WBC because the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:54 ◼   ► Mac Pro to me says we're serious about selling really expensive high-end stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2754">TS</a>]

00:46:01 ◼   ► I could see that for the Mac the professional Mac market I think but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:05 ◼   ► we'll be telling also if for some reason at the event they announced new Retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:10 ◼   ► MacBook Pros but they don't announce a new cinema display for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the reason I think it will be interesting to see I would assume the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:18 ◼   ► new Retina MacBook Pro still available to ports and you can look at the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:23 ◼   ► and it's wonderful to is the update the Thunderbolt that's fast enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:27 ◼   ► support resolutions like for case 1 can't and or at least not in a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:31 ◼   ► frame rate so the Mac Pro there's there's good reasons for that to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:36 ◼   ► the normal to that are intimate you can argue that Matt cruisers might be using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:40 ◼   ► those ports for future like high-end RAID arrays and account but kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:45 ◼   ► replaced with Fibre Channel cards and stuff like that leaking a high-end I O [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:50 ◼   ► there's a lot less of a need for that on a modern retina MacBook Pro and a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53 ◼   ► laptop unless the main reason the nobel too is there is to drive giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2813">TS</a>]

00:47:00 ◼   ► displays and that so I think if the laptop comes out with unable to port I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:06 ◼   ► think right now displays are not that far behind ya I would like to see him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:10 ◼   ► you think we're going to eat new MacBook Pros yet as we I mean it does nothing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Tilden release those CPUs yet in June so I think it's one of the reasons we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19 ◼   ► didn't see it then but I'm guessing we see my ideal scenario is I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:25 ◼   ► about the iPad they can do whatever they want my deal to me that's about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:29 ◼   ► ideal scenario for for what we get next week is random a probe date with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:34 ◼   ► honorable to Mac Pro announcement like price and ship date and you can go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:40 ◼   ► pre-order it now even if I can get it immediately and retina displays released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:45 ◼   ► at the same time with them that would be my ideal event however if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:49 ◼   ► where the technology is for this reason is pleased with the pricing is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:53 ◼   ► economics work out for the giant panels I i dont im not that confident to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:59 ◼   ► them this year I think we might still be another year out of there so I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02 ◼   ► that the chances of getting a religious player like 50 percent maybe not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:06 ◼   ► great chances I just put it higher than two out of three chances that they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:14 ◼   ► out with a new four cases and it might be better but it probably would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:20 ◼   ► three thousand dollars each year thing is if they make like a third like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:25 ◼   ► one of 32 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26 ◼   ► that is kind of too big to be written out that resolution so they'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:31 ◼   ► get it might have to use a 27 inch size of that resolution to really get that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:35 ◼   ► be meaningful we'll see what happens I would I really hope I'm proven wrong on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:41 ◼   ► almost everything I just said just because I'm improving things fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44 ◼   ► conservatively in that regard and I'd love to be proven wrong on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:48 ◼   ► about iPods III I could see them releasing new iPods but I N O two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:58 ◼   ► ago they didn't they went two years without refreshing and even if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:04 ◼   ► for next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06 ◼   ► here's just a basic idea just just just throw a wild card is what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:12 ◼   ► something that's more like an iPod Nano but actually running iOS that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:20 ◼   ► interesting I mean you can kind of argue that they they almost like accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:25 ◼   ► created the smart watch movement buying old nano just happened to be watch sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:30 ◼   ► kind of and having a wrist strap that somebody making Kickstarter like he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:34 ◼   ► kind of argue like that that would be an interesting way to get into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:39 ◼   ► wearables area that everyone's talking about right like I was some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:43 ◼   ► smart watches that have come out it's like I forget which one it said it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:47 ◼   ► that it's like if you're not more elegant and look better on the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:51 ◼   ► then and two-year-old iPod Nano that was never designed to be worn as a watch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:56 ◼   ► your wrist then you've got a problem if you designing a product that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/2996">TS</a>]

00:50:01 ◼   ► specifically a watch I hurt my eyes with the one thing the reason I would like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:07 ◼   ► iPod Nano that runs iOS is for one thing and one thing only and that podcasts as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:13 ◼   ► I would like to be able to just set up an iPod nano sized then and just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:22 ◼   ► that be the only place where I manage my podcasts or in theory like a few you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:28 ◼   ► know if a really running I wish you could have afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31 ◼   ► than somebody like say you could come out with a version of your app that ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:36 ◼   ► on that to sync between the front sinking would be great if multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:41 ◼   ► versions of a podcast at but all I want is an iPod that automatically without me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:47 ◼   ► plugging it in there anything other than occasionally charging it just is up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:52 ◼   ► date with podcasts I i think first of all I did was a big issue with battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:58 ◼   ► life on a watch and so I don't think we're anywhere near running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:04 ◼   ► full-featured OS like iOS on a watch list I think that the display is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:09 ◼   ► biggest power grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11 ◼   ► I mean I probably but also radios would be a power grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14 ◼   ► so I think of Apple goes into the watch area whether it's with just like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:21 ◼   ► a boosted up now or whether it's a separate product I think if they go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:26 ◼   ► the watch area I think it's just gonna be like a satellite device for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:30 ◼   ► phone for your iPhone or right and I say iOS and could be that it's just more iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:38 ◼   ► like still running the the pic so wherever that is the thing that the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:43 ◼   ► still run but has some more features like that like maybe instead of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:50 ◼   ► why I WiFi and Bluetooth and something else maybe it's just Bluetooth but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:55 ◼   ► uses the Bluetooth 4.0 energy and and I'll West companion app can just push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3115">TS</a>]

00:52:01 ◼   ► this podcast right or the watch does not store all the Pakistan at the watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:08 ◼   ► more like a Bluetooth headset looks like it just it can receive the audio from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:12 ◼   ► your iPhone and I think you're right I think that you know if Apple were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:17 ◼   ► release a watch it I think it's pretty obvious that bluetooth for low-energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:21 ◼   ► would be to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:22 ◼   ► medication protocol and it might even be its only radio and if you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:26 ◼   ► like what would make an awesome SmartWatch you can argue you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:30 ◼   ► case you go outside and exercise right I do sometimes ok I'm not familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that world and a lot of people do that a lot of people don't bring their phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:38 ◼   ► because they want to drop them or damage them or the you know that's sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:41 ◼   ► clothes don't really have deep secure pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43 ◼   ► so I run buck naked yeah well I mean you might as well the pockets on most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:49 ◼   ► running shorts are terrible it's safe so there's that market of you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:55 ◼   ► who want to exercise you don't want to have their phone on them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58 ◼   ► obviously a SmartWatch in that kind of context would be less useful though I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01 ◼   ► describing it but you know I think Apple's whole thing with the digital hub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:06 ◼   ► the Mac being the digital her back and a fifty years ago now whatever that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the thing is that was a great idea and that was crushed the time overall though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:15 ◼   ► now special the modern era that that was correct but the digital home is now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:20 ◼   ► phone right your smartphone is your digital hub for everything now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:25 ◼   ► it's it's with you all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26 ◼   ► right like you know now I'm obviously very to the podcast thing now and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:32 ◼   ► know my theory is always been you know people ask me if I'm gonna do like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35 ◼   ► stitcher popular client they they go work with all the car manufacturers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:40 ◼   ► try to get car integration for stitcher so that you can like runs that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:44 ◼   ► like a right on your head unit or have your phone like plug into your car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:49 ◼   ► everything and I i think the market for that is pretty limited and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:53 ◼   ► not it's a great use of effort because ultimately like the best way to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:59 ◼   ► to podcast in your car is to is to use a phone that can play audio over Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:04 ◼   ► and have your car you know a lot of cars are getting Bluetooth filtering down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:08 ◼   ► pretty well and even lower end models and so like the audio in the car problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:13 ◼   ► is now being solved and it's just your phone planes have a bluetooth Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:17 ◼   ► and the cars same way to car manufacturers try to put internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20 ◼   ► connectivity in the cars and and really the best way to do to suggest having on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:24 ◼   ► your phone and maybe at best have your cart with your phone you know that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:29 ◼   ► be able to go there in the future but ultimately the phone is the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32 ◼   ► everything now it's it's very you have the data connection I don't think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:37 ◼   ► gonna see a future where everything has donated radio I think that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:40 ◼   ► carriers gonna lock that worldwide pretty effectively or make it really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:44 ◼   ► feasible economically for customers wait we're gonna make me happy like a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:50 ◼   ► devices that you don't all have their own salary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53 ◼   ► the connections like I don't think we're going to see that for a long time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56 ◼   ► ever you know ultimately I think again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:59 ◼   ► everything's going through the phone right now that's the way to do it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01 ◼   ► really powerful it's very it's that's where the market is that that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:06 ◼   ► market is doing whether whether it's technologically ideal are conceptually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10 ◼   ► ideal that the market is doing so for a SmartWatch to just be a phone accessory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:14 ◼   ► basically to be a window into the data on your phone and 40 use all the radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:20 ◼   ► on your phone except for the one super low power Bluetooth le one you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:25 ◼   ► would have itself like a wash with GPS that would never work as the batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:29 ◼   ► are way too small so you can look at all that stuff I think a watch that any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:33 ◼   ► smart watch it comes out in a couple years actually good is probably gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36 ◼   ► have that kind of design and so whether Apple's gonna have like your own podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:41 ◼   ► I don't think that's going to be it I think it's gonna be your gonna play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:45 ◼   ► podcast on your phone and play it through your watch if that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48 ◼   ► really want or you just gonna ignore that capability just play with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:52 ◼   ► headphones in your focal I don't know I just can't help but think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:56 ◼   ► gotta be a way for the thing and you know i i in this is really pushing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3356">TS</a>]

00:56:01 ◼   ► say that what if it was really more like a full iPod Touch but just shrunk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that Nana size and it had WiFi too that would it would make it work it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:14 ◼   ► make it usable with iTunes Radia I mean you know who knows is iTunes radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:19 ◼   ► something they see is that important that they would engineer the devices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23 ◼   ► be able to support it i I don't know but it just sounds good question it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:27 ◼   ► seems to me though that like maybe we collectively of all sort of taking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:32 ◼   ► eyes off the iPod line up in terms of the potential for future improvements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and that there you know you couldn't make it much smaller right that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:44 ◼   ► iPod Nano if your gonna put a screen on the device there's not much room there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:48 ◼   ► for you no more than a finger already so small that you kind of wish it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:53 ◼   ► bigger easier to use and be less likely to lose it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:57 ◼   ► my iPod Nano is literally as I speak it's been lost for like four days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3417">TS</a>]

00:57:01 ◼   ► somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:02 ◼   ► hopefully here in my office but but I feel like me now that they've shrunk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the size now they can use advances in technology and battery life and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:12 ◼   ► like that take get it to do more on software maybe put some little antennas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:16 ◼   ► in there and i just i just some dispute by maybe I just don't see it happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:22 ◼   ► just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:23 ◼   ► radios are so power hungry and watches are so small at like there to make it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:29 ◼   ► mean like you have a pebble have you seen what I do have the people it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:33 ◼   ► ridiculously big eight when you see on somebody's rest unless they like a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36 ◼   ► football Blair it looks like it's it's like the modern calculator watch it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:45 ◼   ► actually have Iranian my hand as I speak it in its its big but it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:50 ◼   ► actually are a lot bigger watches on the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53 ◼   ► men's wristwatches the trend over the last couple of years has been to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:57 ◼   ► bigger and some of them are actually preposterous Liebig way bigger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3477">TS</a>]

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00:58:09 ◼   ► to the mall and look at like watched or just look at a jewelry store and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:14 ◼   ► some of the men's watches you'll see some that are really pretty a lot bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16 ◼   ► than people but it looks it doesn't sit right on the wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:20 ◼   ► you know the ones that are real big hard you know watches as jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:25 ◼   ► their big for the you know there purposefully big it's not that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:29 ◼   ► couldn't make them smaller it's you know it's showing off this watch you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3509">TS</a>]

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00:58:42 ◼   ► a smart watch that doesn't take a SmartWatch that looks as nice fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:48 ◼   ► wise as like a jewellery watch I know in some ways because jewelry watches are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:57 ◼   ► made of materials like stainless steel or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00 ◼   ► even higher and gold and I guess you could make one out of that could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:06 ◼   ► smart watch with you know when I go you know shirley Apple works a lot with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:10 ◼   ► aluminum that has more refined italic appearance but it's one of the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3550">TS</a>]

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00:59:20 ◼   ► they really pushed the the borders on what we think an iPod can do I can iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:24 ◼   ► nano and iPod touch and iPad now is has been the way that I've been sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3564">TS</a>]

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00:59:33 ◼   ► difference other than whether it's on a strap that goes on your roster not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:37 ◼   ► we're talking about our little roughly incised peripherals to your iPhone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3577">TS</a>]

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00:59:48 ◼   ► a strap that you click on to people who don't want to work on the wrist or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51 ◼   ► whatever I think the problem was calling it a watch in particular and then to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:58 ◼   ► if they came out with a thin it was just called the the new iPod nano and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3598">TS</a>]

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01:00:26 ◼   ► if they call it a watch it they run into this written really hard market because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/3626">TS</a>]

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01:25:19 ◼   ► tracking faster than I was six dead as updates but maybe there will be because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:23 ◼   ► of the changes are so different and some people feel so strongly about them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:27 ◼   ► there will be a bigger contingent this time that holds for us what we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:31 ◼   ► about one thing we didn't talk about it I guess I don't think it just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:36 ◼   ► occur to us but a bunch of people wrote to me and said here's why I'm staying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5136">TS</a>]

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01:26:00 ◼   ► been jailbroken really I didn't realize that I don't pay too much attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5160">TS</a>]

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01:26:09 ◼   ► about it and restore have strong feelings about it I i I hadn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5169">TS</a>]

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01:26:27 ◼   ► know everything every previous year it's always been presented as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:31 ◼   ► some kind of scandal that iPhone new version of iOS has been jailbroken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5191">TS</a>]

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01:27:09 ◼   ► was jumper and that's why those people are holding on that would not surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5229">TS</a>]

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01:27:18 ◼   ► the world's most everyone jumper and certain communities of like certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:22 ◼   ► kinds of nerds and and certain kinds of people with certain needs or people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:26 ◼   ► want to tethering hack or something like that like it's very very popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:32 ◼   ► said that wouldn't surprise me at all that was a big chunk of it I didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35 ◼   ► realize that they've gotten so fat generally with new releases it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:41 ◼   ► pops up whenever there's a like a game developer and you know i think is its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:47 ◼   ► jailbreaking clearly skews younger you know it's like a teenager and twenties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:52 ◼   ► type thing I think just in broad terms I mean I'm sure that there's people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:56 ◼   ► every agent jailbreak for whatever reason but you know it's a hacker type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59 ◼   ► thing and so do you know games are popular one of the big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:05 ◼   ► job ratings you know it it becomes possible to pirate games and whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:10 ◼   ► developers release numbers with developers have like an online part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:14 ◼   ► the game so they can see how many users they have you know they end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:17 ◼   ► these user numbers that are way higher than the page number of a positive so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:24 ◼   ► even like i I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:27 ◼   ► Instapaper ahead integrated crash Linux which is this this crash tracking thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:32 ◼   ► and they are analytics they will tell you for each crash what percentage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:38 ◼   ► the people who had that crash are jailbroken to the day just try to attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41 ◼   ► that which is useful to know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5321">TS</a>]

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01:28:49 ◼   ► like it wasn't just affecting a certain edge case it was affecting like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:52 ◼   ► every tenth person or something like that every so often so it was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:56 ◼   ► nicely their random slice of the of the user base and it was something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5336">TS</a>]

01:29:00 ◼   ► twenty percent jump and certainly in strippers user base is probably more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:04 ◼   ► geeky than the average but not by as much as you think and that's history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:08 ◼   ► that's an incredible number or a non-game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:12 ◼   ► that is pretty widespread and isn't all nerds or isn't all people of a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:18 ◼   ► country that's really incredible so I wonder with iOS 7 not yet been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:26 ◼   ► jailbroken is just the luck of the draw you know like I'm in no way that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:31 ◼   ► jailbreaks work my layman's understanding is that the jailbreak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:35 ◼   ► community looks for or hordes even exploits where they can get code to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:40 ◼   ► and then once they can get code to run through some sort of exploit and the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:45 ◼   ► they know the certain you know pads that they can take and which files to modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5385">TS</a>]

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01:29:58 ◼   ► jailbreaking is meant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5398">TS</a>]

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01:30:04 ◼   ► that their hard-earned you know as the years have gone on and apples added more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:07 ◼   ► security features you know randomizing memory locations and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:14 ◼   ► that it's just gotten harder to defeat or or maybe you know has a pool done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:21 ◼   ► something specifically with the desire of Iowa specifically to make it harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:25 ◼   ► to jailbreak it's always been very unclear to me just how strongly Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:30 ◼   ► feels like it at the executive level about jailbreaking and how much you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:35 ◼   ► they should bother to sort of try to defeat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5435">TS</a>]

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01:30:42 ◼   ► more qualified we're obviously cuz he's actually like a wizard in the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:47 ◼   ► show wasn't yours there was a six-month it was really good I think about a debug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5447">TS</a>]

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01:31:08 ◼   ► anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:09 ◼   ► six months ago recently why did he ask that's the thing that when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:13 ◼   ► betting I don't know why did you ask me i i she said she was thinking of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:17 ◼   ► an iPhone I said alright whatever you do don't get the free one get the 100 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5477">TS</a>]

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01:31:25 ◼   ► house I showed her all three I have in my drawer full archive and here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:29 ◼   ► three phones that are available right now don't get this one this one hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:33 ◼   ► bucks this was two hundred bucks I'll even buy the hundred book one for you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5493">TS</a>]

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01:31:41 ◼   ► even tell me to get the free one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:44 ◼   ► anyway so she had regular season the things in the news about motion sickness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:49 ◼   ► and she's like one friend on facebook said that you to restore his phone away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:53 ◼   ► everything out and I don't know if that's true I have no idea it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:57 ◼   ► really matter she was scared by the media into not of greens she's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:01 ◼   ► I was 6 phone forever and had to explain to her like you know Mom first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:05 ◼   ► all the things you've heard are overblown and not really a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:10 ◼   ► second of all every time a police is anything new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:14 ◼   ► you're going to see all these crazy news reports about it because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16 ◼   ► people make money in the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18 ◼   ► you can't hold onto the old version forever like there's gonna be a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:23 ◼   ► but and this is what this forever go it's really hard to be like a member of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5543">TS</a>]

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01:32:34 ◼   ► something for every especially the role of Apple you can have a year pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5554">TS</a>]

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01:32:38 ◼   ► may be able to you know if if that phone ever gets damaged has to be replaced or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:44 ◼   ► if you know the screen fails or like you know the home button fails like it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:48 ◼   ► sometimes in the four like if any any any failure to require replacement or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:53 ◼   ► you ever need to do like you know a fresh install and I think you can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:58 ◼   ► fresh install the same person you have but you know worse case scenario when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:04 ◼   ► this phone is no longer that usual cause the batteries terrible in two years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:08 ◼   ► you buy a new one because it's free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:09 ◼   ► any new phone you get is going to have the newest so like you can't really hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:15 ◼   ► on to your total version for very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5595">TS</a>]

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01:33:45 ◼   ► jailbreak users not really usually the problem is that where there are you hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:51 ◼   ► that use of the problem was with the older devices they didn't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54 ◼   ► RAM some of the jailbreak tools would stay resident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:57 ◼   ► memory and would take up more RAM than an unusual device would would have so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:01 ◼   ► could have less RAM available and there's no paging out to a page file or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5641">TS</a>]

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01:34:12 ◼   ► Ram you don't get it right and you probably didn't accommodate for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:17 ◼   ► you'll probably crash instead of getting a memory bank you just getting to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:20 ◼   ► exactly exactly or iOS will say open low memory warning you better use less and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:27 ◼   ► you're like i cant and they kill you so that's usually the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:33 ◼   ► jailbreak stuff is not necessarily interferes with things you're a code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5673">TS</a>]

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01:34:59 ◼   ► think that they they they did it with so little that it doesn't make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5699">TS</a>]

01:35:05 ◼   ► likely gonna crash as opposed to in this may be breeding your time on the Mac Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:10 ◼   ► OS 10 first came out people ran these hack sees that's actually what they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5710">TS</a>]

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01:35:28 ◼   ► guess people still use them but they were a lot more common in the first five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:32 ◼   ► six years of Mac OS 10 then I think they are now but if you were a Mac Developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:38 ◼   ► you inevitably you'd you'd get crashes you know some of these things we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5738">TS</a>]

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01:35:47 ◼   ► unless you had this specific faxer simple plugin in the stack trace that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:52 ◼   ► you got the bug report all of them were there and the question is what do you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:56 ◼   ► to you do you do you support that dude work around it like a bare-bones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5756">TS</a>]

01:36:01 ◼   ► didn't predict 99% sure they still don't they'll be polite about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5761">TS</a>]

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01:36:09 ◼   ► know we can't support third-party extensions that modify the system itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:13 ◼   ► and some people really think you have a good alternative there is a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:18 ◼   ► company I think that's pretty much what you have to say you can make some effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:21 ◼   ► to be like I well be some of the crash log if there's like an obvious easy way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/5781">TS</a>]

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01:48:44 ◼   ► a whole lot of motivation to have hardware update I think that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:49 ◼   ► next one might be a year out two years out but at some point when they can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:54 ◼   ► like it in a seven into a $99 iPad TV box and then maybe you'll have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6534">TS</a>]

01:49:01 ◼   ► that could really be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:04 ◼   ► yeah I don't know maybe it maybe it's just me being weird but I don't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:09 ◼   ► TV market is this massively exciting thing for Apple like I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6549">TS</a>]

01:49:13 ◼   ► they're already in it you know a little bit with the Apple TV as we know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:17 ◼   ► today I don't think there is like a massive amount more they're likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:21 ◼   ► actually do it succeeded so it's just such a messy market with so many in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6561">TS</a>]

01:49:27 ◼   ► traction trusts and and it's it's so hard to penetrate that wall and get any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:32 ◼   ► more useful I don't really see it happening like I and it's such a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:38 ◼   ► market to in in the way that the reason why I don't have to make a TV said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6578">TS</a>]

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01:49:47 ◼   ► gets its not like every five to 10 years maybe and its differently with phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:56 ◼   ► and iPods computers where like you can buy a new one every couple of years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:59 ◼   ► even with those like every year and it doesn't feel ridiculous or wasteful if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:04 ◼   ► you were buying a new TV every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:06 ◼   ► feel like a dick would just like to tease me like where you put the old you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6606">TS</a>]

01:50:10 ◼   ► gotta get rid of it like it's it's a big lake I don't know and it just feels it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:15 ◼   ► feels more wasteful when the things are that big and that expensive to just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:18 ◼   ► through them every year and I guess I don't see the business being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6618">TS</a>]

01:50:23 ◼   ► profitable in selling the TV I wouldn't be surprised if and I've said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:29 ◼   ► before if if Apple's AppleTV strategy is right what we see in front of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6629">TS</a>]

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01:50:41 ◼   ► type thing but you know couple the channels know a maybe no app story you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6641">TS</a>]

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01:50:51 ◼   ► channel for it makes sense but you know could be but it would be mostly for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:55 ◼   ► video content you know I don't think it makes sense today with the input method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6655">TS</a>]

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01:51:09 ◼   ► it that would be a little bit different maybe but I don't see them really having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:14 ◼   ► a ton of interest in that market even like I i think i think what we see today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:18 ◼   ► is is what they plan to do for the foreseeable future you know maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:23 ◼   ► they wanna like breaking the game market in a couple years more more aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6683">TS</a>]

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01:51:32 ◼   ► like who cares about the console game market when they're dominating handheld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:36 ◼   ► games in casual games and I think you know that they're selling a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6696">TS</a>]

01:51:40 ◼   ► selling and renting a ton of movies and TV shows and you know obviously could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:44 ◼   ► a lot more about the only way to get to a lot more would be to somehow brake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6704">TS</a>]

01:51:48 ◼   ► cable TV monopolies you know and that's just not going to complex issue and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6708">TS</a>]

01:51:56 ◼   ► might that might also cause some trouble in their content business like it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6716">TS</a>]

01:52:01 ◼   ► make them a lot more enemies and many of those enemies like the cable companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:06 ◼   ► also owned TV networks or production companies and and that would be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:10 ◼   ► would be a problem for their content business but it's you know it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6730">TS</a>]

01:52:13 ◼   ► example of Apple's incremental approach to improving products that I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6733">TS</a>]

01:52:18 ◼   ► overlooked because people keep waiting for this spectacular amazing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:22 ◼   ► from 25 news in the 25 years in the future while moment whereas if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:26 ◼   ► compared today's Apple TV against Apple TV from like four years ago it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6746">TS</a>]

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01:52:35 ◼   ► HBO if you sign in fridge be on your cable contact contractor ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6755">TS</a>]

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01:52:43 ◼   ► ensure that the person has cable TV HBO then you know what Apple do they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:49 ◼   ► go around them but now we have it you can get HBO on your Apple TV there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:54 ◼   ► also a lot of room for improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6774">TS</a>]

01:52:56 ◼   ► just doing the same feature set they're doing now like you know as if there's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6776">TS</a>]

01:53:00 ◼   ► they improved text input so when you're searching for a show you can do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:04 ◼   ► beside that stupid way to do it or sharing your iOS device and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:09 ◼   ► use the remote app which is clunky at best and they can make it easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6789">TS</a>]

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01:53:18 ◼   ► would end this is questionable with business priorities but if they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:22 ◼   ► ever have universal search where I can search one place and it would search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:26 ◼   ► iTunes and Netflix and you know if you're a member of Hulu sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:31 ◼   ► know that everything that you're you're signed up for right now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6811">TS</a>]

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01:53:38 ◼   ► the same thing into Netflix and then if they don't see it on Netflix and iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6818">TS</a>]

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01:53:57 ◼   ► software and so this year I think this is just gonna have for a while I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6837">TS</a>]

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01:54:15 ◼   ► where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:17 ◼   ► damian Paul's just the tip ended with a me saying to Paul we don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:26 ◼   ► going on and the first thing I said the guy in the cold opening of last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:32 ◼   ► the talk show was me saying I don't think there's much going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6872">TS</a>]

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01:54:40 ◼   ► shortly before the talk show so if you had them both in a playlist it would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:44 ◼   ► one after the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:45 ◼   ► like it was perfect I heard it that way in like organically it was and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6885">TS</a>]

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01:54:53 ◼   ► know where our show opened like you know I don't have it the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6893">TS</a>]

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01:55:04 ◼   ► but Pollin Amy edit their own show so they end and I don't listen to it so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6904">TS</a>]

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01:55:18 ◼   ► last week showed guy was going to be sure because I really didn't think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:20 ◼   ► had a lot going on well but it was what's good about about your show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6920">TS</a>]

01:55:26 ◼   ► know being long is like a show like twitches boring as hell that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:31 ◼   ► want that to go along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:33 ◼   ► sorry if you like that show anyone you know you don't you don't want the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:37 ◼   ► like that to go like two hours and such as they often do you know when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:43 ◼   ► showed guy ended I was like oh man I wish there was little bit more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6943">TS</a>]

01:55:49 ◼   ► discussion still happening like it's all about whether you want more of it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:53 ◼   ► whether you notice that it's been two out rally for a good show you know once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6953">TS</a>]

01:56:00 ◼   ► you blow past the the cellular download limit which were wait you know what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6960">TS</a>]

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01:56:12 ◼   ► showing signs of being boring and so you know if people are like what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6972">TS</a>]

01:56:15 ◼   ► saying keep going into the third downs and this is a couple of them from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:21 ◼   ► show the ATP I'll call ATP I find accidental tech podcast yes it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6981">TS</a>]

01:56:30 ◼   ► realize that I mean I try to do a show every week but not and i'd in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:36 ◼   ► of my head I think I miss a couple weeks a year but then I realized on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6996">TS</a>]

01:56:39 ◼   ► one-year anniversary of his only forty she saw him close 252 you guys are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:48 ◼   ► guys are like catching up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:50 ◼   ► to the show and episode numbers on this run and the talk show this episode uni [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7010">TS</a>]

01:56:59 ◼   ► recording as we speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7019">TS</a>]

01:57:00 ◼   ► is episode 57 and you guys natpe are already at 37 and I still think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7020">TS</a>]

01:57:07 ◼   ► delay 3535 alright well you're close but you know it's it's like spitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7027">TS</a>]

01:57:13 ◼   ► distance and I still think if your show is brand new I still think of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:17 ◼   ► show you had before that ATP spilled out of his being kinda knew that was in late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7037">TS</a>]

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01:58:12 ◼   ► episode from a couple weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:14 ◼   ► casey was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7094">TS</a>]

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01:59:16 ◼   ► some kind of joke like that and Casey observed isn't an interesting that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7156">TS</a>]

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01:59:32 ◼   ► discussion of why doesn't why can't Apple get something like Siri to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7172">TS</a>]

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02:00:53 ◼   ► out that there's going to you know it's as though they've never said it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7253">TS</a>]

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02:02:32 ◼   ► to reinforce their priorities and to to support the things they want to care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7352">TS</a>]

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02:02:44 ◼   ► the size of something like Google or Apple like the the chances of of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7364">TS</a>]

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02:03:23 ◼   ► didn't embrace the internet very well they they made Internet Explorer which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7403">TS</a>]

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02:03:32 ◼   ► operating system you know they they were just playing the same here they always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7412">TS</a>]

02:03:35 ◼   ► play just involving the internet but not really being of the internet and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7415">TS</a>]

02:03:41 ◼   ► all the stuff that you know a true internet like Google is a true internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7421">TS</a>]

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02:04:28 ◼   ► primarily in desktop software these days and server software like the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7468">TS</a>]

02:04:31 ◼   ► they've always done so even that giant massive turnaround that we know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7471">TS</a>]

02:04:37 ◼   ► and computer history didn't really actually change the company that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7477">TS</a>]

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02:04:46 ◼   ► Google is all of a sudden shifting the focus on you I enjoyed well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:50 ◼   ► somewhat but not grade and Apple trying so hard to focus on these new web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7490">TS</a>]

02:04:56 ◼   ► services that power they're cool stuff well you know they aren't they'll see me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7496">TS</a>]

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02:05:09 ◼   ► a uin and local software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7509">TS</a>]

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02:05:17 ◼   ► especially with what they did once they got to IE six and put netscape under and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7517">TS</a>]

02:05:23 ◼   ► really sort of Domino got to the point where their browser had just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:27 ◼   ► Windows you know ninety-something percent market share is it was really in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7527">TS</a>]

02:05:32 ◼   ► any stopped innovating with M&A really just stopped putting out new versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7532">TS</a>]

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02:05:39 ◼   ► encapsulated within I just don't realize it because they didn't do things so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7539">TS</a>]

02:05:49 ◼   ► being is an attempt to be of the internet and and and make fun of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7549">TS</a>]

02:05:54 ◼   ► because it's almost like god bless them because if if not for being what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7554">TS</a>]

02:05:58 ◼   ► be the number to search engine you know I don't use it but I'm glad it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7558">TS</a>]

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02:06:13 ◼   ► every corner lot of people make a about the fact that they continually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7573">TS</a>]

02:06:16 ◼   ► bleed money out of there in Microsoft out of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7576">TS</a>]

02:06:19 ◼   ► in its services division being division but I almost wanted to say hey stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:24 ◼   ► making fun of him for that because if they were in you know who would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7584">TS</a>]

02:06:28 ◼   ► know Google honest has a sexy like a public Foundation to fund being right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7588">TS</a>]

02:06:34 ◼   ► but they didn't even start that until much later that wasn't you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:37 ◼   ► didn't decade after right imagine if they had tried to build being in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:43 ◼   ► know 1995 96 whatever it was it had that different even right after it was clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:50 ◼   ► that Google has become a huge like 2001 tribal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7610">TS</a>]

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02:07:00 ◼   ► even that didn't start at that kind of scale until a few years after that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7620">TS</a>]

02:07:04 ◼   ► and then mess n stuff wasn't really a mess and was really more of like an AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7624">TS</a>]

02:07:08 ◼   ► a second alternative day well not like a part of the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7628">TS</a>]

02:07:13 ◼   ► well and they they applied the MSN name and then the live news and the big name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7633">TS</a>]

02:07:19 ◼   ► and in the Windows name all over so many things over the years it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7639">TS</a>]

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02:07:29 ◼   ► I think they will get better in the longer you know give it some years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7649">TS</a>]

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02:07:36 ◼   ► and there's a certain point where there's no point in getting better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:40 ◼   ► 60 frames per second and I'm sure that as you know there is that debt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7660">TS</a>]

02:07:46 ◼   ► interesting study from last month about the touch responsive times on devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7666">TS</a>]

02:07:51 ◼   ► and Apple's iPhone 5 is like five times more responsive than even the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7671">TS</a>]

02:07:56 ◼   ► Android phone in terms of like milliseconds it takes for a touch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7676">TS</a>]

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02:08:06 ◼   ► touch responsiveness they'd better than the original iPhone from 2007 so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7686">TS</a>]

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02:08:15 ◼   ► think that they're both just evidence that even in a big company like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7695">TS</a>]

02:08:18 ◼   ► there's just a only so much attention to go around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7698">TS</a>]

02:08:22 ◼   ► if your attention is on making you know what your top priority is as best as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7702">TS</a>]

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02:08:33 ◼   ► secondary and tertiary priorities right can't be like oh everything's a priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7713">TS</a>]

02:08:38 ◼   ► that's that's not a real thing as as Merlin tells us like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7718">TS</a>]

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02:09:05 ◼   ► here's my last topic and this is very specific to you as the arrogant asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7745">TS</a>]

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02:09:16 ◼   ► something about that same type of problem said like a Microsoft hire a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7756">TS</a>]

02:09:23 ◼   ► CEO new CEO says you know what one of our problems is our one of our problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7763">TS</a>]

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02:10:48 ◼   ► this world has Apple get treated so much differently than other companies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7848">TS</a>]

02:10:54 ◼   ► press and and when they do things they everything is in different proportions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7854">TS</a>]

02:10:58 ◼   ► to other companies get treated and it can't just be about the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7858">TS</a>]

02:11:03 ◼   ► Apple's the biggest company because it's been true from what Apple is far from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7863">TS</a>]

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02:12:53 ◼   ► and I think Apple has reached that point there they're popular they are cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7973">TS</a>]

02:12:58 ◼   ► there very much in the public eye and and certainly write a lot of that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7978">TS</a>]

02:13:04 ◼   ► steve jobs but I think now that has transcended him and now it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7984">TS</a>]

02:13:08 ◼   ► company is that cool and is that public and I think they're they're bound to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7988">TS</a>]

02:13:15 ◼   ► only get a lot of negative attention at all times just like celebrities do just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/7995">TS</a>]

02:13:21 ◼   ► because there's a lot of money in it but also there are a lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8001">TS</a>]

02:13:26 ◼   ► really don't like Apple could end and part of a guy I work this thing here go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8006">TS</a>]

02:13:30 ◼   ► for the magazine and its my site about how the culture of Apple is polarizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8010">TS</a>]

02:13:36 ◼   ► to people because Apple products say no a lot and and they say we know better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8016">TS</a>]

02:13:41 ◼   ► a lot and a lot of people in their own way but cool itself cool and it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8021">TS</a>]

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02:13:55 ◼   ► yeah but I have to imagine that that is probably true for at least some portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8035">TS</a>]

02:14:02 ◼   ► of an audience of Technology podcast but as far as I know me know so take a grain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8042">TS</a>]

02:14:10 ◼   ► of salt here is this is foreign territory but cool also comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8050">TS</a>]

02:14:16 ◼   ► position of confidence and is a very fine line between confidence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8056">TS</a>]

02:14:20 ◼   ► arrogance and even just the reasons you're confident if someone disagrees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8060">TS</a>]

02:14:26 ◼   ► with those reasons then they will see your coolness as arrogance and so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8066">TS</a>]

02:14:32 ◼   ► very fine line and it's very polarizing and it brings a lot of emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8072">TS</a>]

02:14:36 ◼   ► responses and people and I think that's really the root of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8076">TS</a>]

02:14:42 ◼   ► of the crazy amount of of negative attention that Apple draws a multitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8082">TS</a>]

02:14:51 ◼   ► of sources but I think that the Kuomintang under explored and under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8091">TS</a>]

02:14:56 ◼   ► considered but certainly not reasonable quote is not usually something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8096">TS</a>]

02:15:10 ◼   ► can buy and not usually something that you can switch to easily its cool is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8110">TS</a>]

02:15:16 ◼   ► kind of an inherent quality like people either are cooler they're not and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8116">TS</a>]

02:15:22 ◼   ► loss of his confidence and I usually like ingrained characteristics that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:27 ◼   ► very hard to convincingly fake or to suddenly adopt out of the blue so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8127">TS</a>]

02:15:34 ◼   ► think the same thing applies to companies in their products you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8134">TS</a>]

02:15:36 ◼   ► Apple stuff is cool because Apple school and apples people are cool and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8136">TS</a>]

02:15:40 ◼   ► leaders were cool I don't I don't see that happening at Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8140">TS</a>]

02:15:46 ◼   ► you might get a couple of cool employees here and there because there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8146">TS</a>]

02:15:49 ◼   ► people who were there a lot of pretty awesome but I think as a culture it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8149">TS</a>]

02:15:57 ◼   ► reflects the founders right there in and provide recent example that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8157">TS</a>]

02:16:02 ◼   ► sendoff bomber had at the big 14,000 person meeting I still haven't but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8162">TS</a>]

02:16:11 ◼   ► ever heard of descriptions of it from you and everyone else that idea what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8171">TS</a>]

02:16:15 ◼   ► going on but then you know he gets real emotional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8175">TS</a>]

02:16:18 ◼   ► and which in and of itself isn't bad the emotional part of it but it's there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:23 ◼   ► then he is talking about his wanted to play this song in the event for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8183">TS</a>]

02:16:27 ◼   ► but just never had the right time but now it clearly it's perfect and as one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8187">TS</a>]

02:16:30 ◼   ► of its all time favorite songs I know it seems it it's I've had the time of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8190">TS</a>]

02:16:35 ◼   ► life I had the song about like the crowd and who knows it's always hard to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8195">TS</a>]

02:16:43 ◼   ► you there's fourteen thousand people there and it could be that eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8203">TS</a>]

02:16:46 ◼   ► thousand of them were cringing and six thousand cheering and six thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8206">TS</a>]

02:16:50 ◼   ► cheering people is still gonna sound like a lot of cheering but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8210">TS</a>]

02:16:54 ◼   ► seemed the crowd was just eating it and again I didn't want to make fun of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8214">TS</a>]

02:17:00 ◼   ► when I hope I didn't come across as I meant it sincerely where it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8220">TS</a>]

02:17:04 ◼   ► it was definitely bomber it when I he went out of his way and that is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8224">TS</a>]

02:17:10 ◼   ► send off song that is not a good song to say even trying to play at an event for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8230">TS</a>]

02:17:15 ◼   ► years because of what what other context would that have everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8235">TS</a>]

02:17:20 ◼   ► the words you know I've had the time of my life here and whatever is as I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8240">TS</a>]

02:17:25 ◼   ► a good sentiment for a send off but the actual song itself is such a corny song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8245">TS</a>]

02:17:29 ◼   ► that it's not cool like you know it is not a course I wasn't even call when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8249">TS</a>]

02:17:36 ◼   ► was new it was in the seventies and early eighties maybe I mean I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8256">TS</a>]

02:17:42 ◼   ► was you know it's it's tough right never been called may be very popular but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8262">TS</a>]

02:17:48 ◼   ► not cool at least not the kind of cool that I care about you know I think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8268">TS</a>]

02:17:57 ◼   ► of this is this is my head as may be appropriate bought out but it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8277">TS</a>]

02:18:02 ◼   ► finale dirty dancing and was at like 830 or 85 so you know I think Apple people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8282">TS</a>]

02:18:13 ◼   ► are people there individuals they they identified as individuals and while they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8293">TS</a>]

02:18:20 ◼   ► work at Apple and they respected I get the overall impression from them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8300">TS</a>]

02:18:24 ◼   ► the people I meet and from the executives i've seen in person that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8304">TS</a>]

02:18:27 ◼   ► you know if if Apple 108 tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8307">TS</a>]

02:18:30 ◼   ► they would be sad and then they would go do something else they would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8310">TS</a>]

02:18:34 ◼   ► like to know create something else they would it wouldn't be the end of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8314">TS</a>]

02:18:37 ◼   ► careers where the bomber using a song like that is kind of like saying I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8317">TS</a>]

02:18:41 ◼   ► dying like this is it this company was my entire life and now my time here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8321">TS</a>]

02:18:46 ◼   ► over and therefore my life is over and that's it's a very different attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8326">TS</a>]

02:18:51 ◼   ► and it's it's it's a type of late loyalty and identification get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8331">TS</a>]

02:18:55 ◼   ► self-identification with your workplace that cool people don't usually have cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8335">TS</a>]

02:19:01 ◼   ► people are like you know more and more into like something out of haitian as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8341">TS</a>]

02:19:06 ◼   ► themselves and their personalities and not so much like team player at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8346">TS</a>]

02:19:11 ◼   ► costs and that's it another way to look at is made look at the opposite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8351">TS</a>]

02:19:19 ◼   ► school is one of those words that may be a so overused means different things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8359">TS</a>]

02:19:22 ◼   ► different people you know and I said 11 persons cool can definitely be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8362">TS</a>]

02:19:27 ◼   ► from another person's but to me cool is the opposite of horny and awkward yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8367">TS</a>]

02:19:37 ◼   ► you know and and corniness in particular is to me like sort of the antithesis to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8377">TS</a>]

02:19:43 ◼   ► corporate cool and that's what to me Microsoft often is is corny right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8383">TS</a>]

02:19:49 ◼   ► and there is some linked up last week there were days to be these videos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8389">TS</a>]

02:19:55 ◼   ► bomber engage would make whenever working together leaders one where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8395">TS</a>]

02:19:58 ◼   ► dressed up as dr. evil and bomber was doctor evil and Bill Gates was Austin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8398">TS</a>]

02:20:04 ◼   ► Powers just so corny or or the video that they yanked last month where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8404">TS</a>]

02:20:10 ◼   ► had somebody in Apple product meeting you know they're trying to make fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8410">TS</a>]

02:20:16 ◼   ► the iPhone 5s for only introduced in the color gold or something like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8416">TS</a>]

02:20:21 ◼   ► see those videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8421">TS</a>]

02:20:23 ◼   ► sound like a train wreck there's really a train wreck and a corny way you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8423">TS</a>]

02:20:28 ◼   ► that's what made it an uncool was the fact that it was so corny and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8428">TS</a>]

02:20:34 ◼   ► feel like though that that's that's not something that easily changed its like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8434">TS</a>]

02:20:38 ◼   ► just in the company's DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8438">TS</a>]

02:20:42 ◼   ► cause also like an easy way to be on call has to be extremely insecure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8442">TS</a>]

02:20:48 ◼   ► and so many of Microsoft's actions have come off that way at the executive level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8448">TS</a>]

02:20:52 ◼   ► like you see all the stupid comments Obama made over the years about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8452">TS</a>]

02:20:56 ◼   ► their competitors in about specially about Apple products and had an IQ of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8456">TS</a>]

02:21:00 ◼   ► the iPhone funeral and stuff like that they they they keep doing this year too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8460">TS</a>]

02:21:06 ◼   ► and and obviously this is this is not like I called one time mistake they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8466">TS</a>]

02:21:13 ◼   ► this is like their culture creates the stuff and encourages it and doesn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8473">TS</a>]

02:21:18 ◼   ► what doesn't see what's wrong with that and I've always heard from people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8478">TS</a>]

02:21:23 ◼   ► work there or who or who work nearby I've always heard that Microsoft was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8483">TS</a>]

02:21:29 ◼   ► very culturally insular like they there the whole area of Redmond OR they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8489">TS</a>]

02:21:34 ◼   ► the whole area where there is like I basically hurts like just like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8494">TS</a>]

02:21:41 ◼   ► biodome of Microsoft Microsoft culture right there and they don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8501">TS</a>]

02:21:50 ◼   ► they don't really get any idea of how they're perceived outside of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8510">TS</a>]

02:21:54 ◼   ► because inside a little tiny hot spot of Microsoft activity they are the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8514">TS</a>]

02:21:59 ◼   ► and everyone loves them and everyone was they do it every most Microsoft but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8519">TS</a>]

02:22:04 ◼   ► know that's that's one of the reasons why I think their marketing is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8524">TS</a>]

02:22:09 ◼   ► weirdly out of touch so often you know because I they really they they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8529">TS</a>]

02:22:15 ◼   ► making stuff that would work in the in the world there that they know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8535">TS</a>]

02:22:18 ◼   ► don't realize that's not the whole yeah and I think that plays into even product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8538">TS</a>]

02:22:25 ◼   ► decisions to like it just came up again today is all the windows 8.1 reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8545">TS</a>]

02:22:29 ◼   ► came out and most of them are are light well it's a nice improvement over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8549">TS</a>]

02:22:33 ◼   ► Windows 8 but the fundamental weirdness of having to completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8553">TS</a>]

02:22:37 ◼   ► interfaces that you toggle between in mysterious ways is just weird by pope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8557">TS</a>]

02:22:44 ◼   ► said that a couple other people said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8564">TS</a>]

02:22:47 ◼   ► just seems like that's the consensus again and it just seems like that idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8567">TS</a>]

02:22:50 ◼   ► of well we'll just will will do something better will will do an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8570">TS</a>]

02:22:56 ◼   ► like OS so far so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8576">TS</a>]

02:22:58 ◼   ► which nm which they had very original ideas for you know it's nobody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8578">TS</a>]

02:23:03 ◼   ► claim that that the Metro interface in Windows 8 and Windows Phone is a ripoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8583">TS</a>]

02:23:08 ◼   ► of anything Apple did you know if anything I was seven is more along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8588">TS</a>]

02:23:13 ◼   ► lines the day carved out with this typographic heaviness and flatness and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8593">TS</a>]

02:23:18 ◼   ► and those type of things but then did say what we'll do in n and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8598">TS</a>]

02:23:23 ◼   ► make it even better by saying that you don't even have to leave your old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8603">TS</a>]

02:23:26 ◼   ► windows goodbye will have that running one button away and there you just lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8606">TS</a>]

02:23:31 ◼   ► everything and I think it probably made tons a sense inside I think the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8611">TS</a>]

02:23:36 ◼   ► that they didn't revisited in a year just shows that they still think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8616">TS</a>]

02:23:40 ◼   ► good idea well I mean I had a conversation with a while back with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8620">TS</a>]

02:23:47 ◼   ► somebody at Microsoft and we were talking about Windows Phone and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8627">TS</a>]

02:23:52 ◼   ► person was saying that they were asking if if I was going to make overcast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8632">TS</a>]

02:23:58 ◼   ► Windows Phone and I said that I have no plans to even address and read let alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8638">TS</a>]

02:24:04 ◼   ► Windows Phone and if I was to make it for anything else it would probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8644">TS</a>]

02:24:10 ◼   ► Android because that's where all the people are and basically I said that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8650">TS</a>]

02:24:15 ◼   ► don't really see a future where it makes sense for Windows Phone at all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8655">TS</a>]

02:24:19 ◼   ► it's just not taking off at all if there's no motivation to develop apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8659">TS</a>]

02:24:24 ◼   ► for that and and this guy who who worked at Microsoft and was pretty pretty steep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8664">TS</a>]

02:24:29 ◼   ► in their culture he basically denied that he he basically said that he kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8669">TS</a>]

02:24:37 ◼   ► repeating it was like it was just a matter of time before Windows Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8677">TS</a>]

02:24:42 ◼   ► takes off and really takes over them the market and he really honestly believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8682">TS</a>]

02:24:46 ◼   ► that and I think it's it's hard to look at Windows Phone objectively at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8686">TS</a>]

02:24:54 ◼   ► to have the opinion that is just you know a couple years we've taken over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8694">TS</a>]

02:24:57 ◼   ► market I mean that's even think that's a future at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8697">TS</a>]

02:25:00 ◼   ► let alone coming up soon I think just as not reflect reality at all and you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8700">TS</a>]

02:25:07 ◼   ► the problem with Windows Phone is that it doesn't do anything for the carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8707">TS</a>]

02:25:12 ◼   ► the carriers love control and login and everything else so it doesn't help them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8712">TS</a>]

02:25:17 ◼   ► it it is as unhelpful to the carriers as the iPhone however the carriers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8717">TS</a>]

02:25:23 ◼   ► reluctantly carry the iPhone because there's such incredible demand for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8723">TS</a>]

02:25:28 ◼   ► from consumers that kinda have to Windows fun doesn't have that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8728">TS</a>]

02:25:34 ◼   ► those two things has to change either it has to start bending extremely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8734">TS</a>]

02:25:37 ◼   ► carriers wills which i think is unlikely any even if they did I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8737">TS</a>]

02:25:43 ◼   ► would be able to help the charism exaggerated does and or consumers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8743">TS</a>]

02:25:48 ◼   ► to suddenly all is suddenly out of the blue massively walk those phones and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8748">TS</a>]

02:25:53 ◼   ► don't see that happening either I think it was going to happen what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8753">TS</a>]

02:25:56 ◼   ► already so I don't see a future Windows Phone makes a massive difference is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8756">TS</a>]

02:26:01 ◼   ► where it is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy2RoQI/8761">TS</a>]

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