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00:00:22 ◼   ► you know took most of August derbenev August or or read all of August off and [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► lot's happened that kind of anti traditional for August so you've [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► probably talked I I have to admit I'm a little bit behind on the ATP so I mean [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► you've probably talked to a similar stuff but people like to hear about it [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► over and over again Steve Ballmer out at Microsoft [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► you did you not talk about this in your last show I believe no didn't happen [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► then I guess I didn't happen [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► yeah now we did talk about that's how long ago it's been since I've recorded [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► episode of the talk show you realize that have been got maybe I'm caught up [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► who is your last guest was NGC where we talk to ya heard that one that was the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► last one I guess what you to take a break [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► no and in fact the silver one I recorded you know before I took took off and it [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► was held I think a week it possible possible I actually saw little blurry [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► but it's possible that bomber was announced his retirement before the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► episode came out but I don't think so I think the episode came out like on [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Wednesday and then bombers announcement was Friday that was the week but the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► episodes recorded like the Friday before so I'm not surprisingly I mean no I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► don't think so I think it was a little over do I think some of the reaction to [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► it has been a little surprising I think some of the defense of bombers CEO it [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► surprises me a little bit I think backlash backlash i mean you know so you [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► get the that the story is out and then it's like oh good reasons he needed to [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► go that's that's that's the main story and then the backlash story is so he [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► wasn't as bad as you thought he must member getting now we're going to the [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► backlash back last which is no really it was pretty bad just a dot lights back [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► and forth until he settles on the you know the central thing yeah I mean that [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you're passing on your side like that he was kicked out in the people freaked out [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► about that because you really just speculating but I don't think it really [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► matters at this point it was clear what his job was when he took over [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► Bill Gates and he hasn't pulled it off and it's time for a change right and it [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► seems like you know you can really feel it doesn't seem like that he graciously [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► stepped aside to allow someone else to have a crack at it if not his [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► personality that's not the type of guy he is so the only way to get rid of them [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► if they only come out right I leave on his own [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you know if I'm to die is gonna is going to be a thousand powered by his you know [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► fueled by anger or whatever so that they could get around them and I think you [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► know they're a couple people who wrote about it I forget who had two good piece [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I what it would look like one aboard forces as CEO and you know that some of [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the tells are that there's no named successor you know that if this was [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► orderly there'd been named you know somebody ready to go you know that [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► there's you know if this was part of a plan they wouldn't be you know we need [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► twelve months to name somebody and the interviews with them like you know the [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► things you're supposed to say when you're stepping down [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► you you say all day and he wasn't saying those things like he couldn't even like [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► they were asking questions like what made you decide to leave that he's gonna [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► make some crap but was like I didn't decide to leave you know I mean it seems [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► like it could get much worse like it could be you know adversarial and [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► they're all trash talking to I wasn't like he eventually was convinced that [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► he's not gonna is a company man is not going to go out and burn bridges and say [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Microsoft is doing they're you know not gonna have Steve Ballmer to kick around [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► anymore he went out gracious graciously as you can imagine but again I don't [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► think he wanted to go I thought he you know he thought he could still pull it [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► off and I think the thing it was keeping them there for such a long time as you [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► know he was there from the beginning and he was I'm assuming bill gates friend [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► and like all those things all those intangibles kept him there for longer [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► than he should have been did the one by one question that I have been really [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► know the answer to me talk about ideas like the transformation into a long [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► functional lines and you know the sort of application of Microsoft was that his [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► idea and then he was like his last-gasp movie kick them out or was that sort of [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► something that the board wanted to happen [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► he was allowed to make it seem like it was his idea on his way out my guess is [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► that it was the latter that it was bombers things I can't imagine that they [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► would institute something and it it it it seems like a true if it is as they've [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► described it it's a true company-wide reorganization along functionalized [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► which is not the way microsoft has ever operated I mean it's a true [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► transformation of the company I can't see why they would do they the board [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► would do that if they knew they were gonna bring in somebody new they didn't [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► have someone specific in mind then why would you let him if you know you wanna [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► get rid of it before so I like this was the last straw has another theory that [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► like they like ok well let's see what he has meant like let him an ounce and like [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► put into motion like this plan to truly transform coming in then kick him out I [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► mean like this is this plan was surprised to the board I would imagine [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► right so why let some guy do something and then like that that was one of the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► theories aDP is like did he announce this animal was like ok that's it this [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► guy's not to destroy the company's gotta go out that seems unlikely to me because [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► like this type of transformation you'd get him out before him but what's the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► plan like and we hear about how he was going to transform the company but you [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know I kicked out so it's kind of weird like is my question is is this [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► transformation still going on right now our company our our parts of the the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► company reorganizing are they are they continuing apace to implement this [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► transformation plan despite the fact that was the idea that their of the guys [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► are going out like the plan survives him because it wasn't just him like they [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► really thought this was a good idea that is the key was the guy deleted question [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► had really thought about it but it is interesting to me maybe it was along the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► lines of bomber goes to the board with his plan to do this and the board is [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► like maybe unsettled about his future and they're like [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► you know and they know that they know there's a bad smell about the place you [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► know that that that they're they're big thing Windows is in decline in it [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► doesn't seem like their next big things like mobile R K gaining any traction and [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► all they know there's it's kids at the point now where even the Microsoft [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► optimistic gotta see that there's problems in the near future for the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► company but he says are gonna do this and they're like okay and then it's like [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► in the weeks after that you know you know you know we've got to get you got a [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► good person and that's not the way you want that to go there like that's [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► another another fumbled seems [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► by the Board you want to go and I can I mean the sound like I will who really [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► cares who really cares about kicked out of her whatever like it's all you'll [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► find out of the tell-all books ten years from now whatever but it makes a [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► difference for the future of the company because I mean I guess we will find out [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► when like the new CEO comes in if his first order of business is to undo that [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► entire plan will know that that plan was clearly you know was bomber staying and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► the new guys reversing is now this is actually how we want to do things but if [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the new CEO comes in and like just weeks the plan and says okay now I'm going to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► or you know but it's not really like what we're gonna do it's like how we're [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► gonna be organized so could be the organization survived same as the new [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► CEO says now we're going to you know make toast or something and that's that [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► you know would still be radical shift so because the new guy could come in and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► just immediately you know under this plan to save yeah we're not going to do [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► that we can do something different about going to reorganize and then spoke [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► pattern in the harbor whatever who knows me I don't know there's a line here this [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► is the the internal email the bomber sent to the company on the day of the [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► announcement second and third sentences to me are the ones that are almost the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► this is as close as ever gonna tell to the fact that he was kind of pushed [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► actually pushed he says there's never a perfect time for this type of transition [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► but now is the right time [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► my original thoughts on timing would have had my retirement happen in the [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► middle of our transformation to a devices and services company focused on [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► empowering customers in the activities they value most that my original [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► thoughts that to me is translated as I would have stayed but it is tracking it [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► down like that's the one break-in that I read that thing that's the one break [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► from his like you know corporate vernier like he's not gonna bad mouth now he's [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► not going to trash the company he loves Microsoft right he wants to see them [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► succeed so we can go down in flames but he he also can't help like that little [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► bit leaks out of it but he regrets that if it's inside my room that totally [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► makes it clear that I go and I mean the interview with your interview field at [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that moment [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► yeah you know I do kind of you know I mean I deserve a lot of I told you so [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► and the fact that I was seen to me it's been very clear for years that the guys [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► you know been making some profound mistakes of judgment but I don't hold [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► any personal animosity against them and I think it is very clear I don't see how [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► anybody whether you have been a fan of the guy a couple of the company's [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► products or whatever or not the opposite I don't see how anybody could deny that [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the guy is put his life into the company I mean he is truly the company's man [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► company man from Microsoft yeah I think I would have personal animosity towards [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► me if I was big Microsoft's fans and enthusiasts because I would feel like he [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► was the United steering the ship into the iceberg over the past decade and [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► just not you know I would be screaming yelling for you know you know when you [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► screaming yelling manager to pull a picture right because you were you a fan [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► of the team right personal hatred towards that guy [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the baseball and just for you but if you don't care you like and what you know it [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► because he did do the things he did was he sort of took the businesses that he [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► knew how to be successful and because they work the same as that used to work [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and continued to you know sort of build those [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and didn't fumble the ball and those who just was unable to break into any new [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► businesses with Microsoft in in a successful fashion I also I also think [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► there is a profound irony in the fact that his his dad was an executive in [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► five ford indeed right and you know he grew up as a car company and you know [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► apparently still to this day is driven nothing but cars from the Ford Motor [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Company think it was for don't think it was GMA almost sure that was ford but [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► regardless his father's generation of the trade car executives were the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► generation that ran the D train companies into real problems when a [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► disruptive new class of cars came about in the seventies and that his read [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► bombers reaction to the disruptive technologies of last 10 15 20 years as [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► you know in broad strokes very similar to 2d traits where they kinda just stuck [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► with their old you know in Broad's again broad strokes but this make big [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► gas-guzzling cars and let's just laugh off threat from smaller cheaper japanese [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► imports and the idea of him only driving for cars despite being like a [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► multi-billionaire because his father was a four-man click together in my mind [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► with Melinda Gates forbidding was at her forbidding her children to have iPods [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► right now that that attitude nothing you know I'm taking Bill Gates and Steve [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► Ballmer like that the 12 and Microsoft and you can see this pervades the entire [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► company but that attitude of like it's kinda like being accompanied men you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► know your bill gates children have iPods and Steve Ballmer you know his followers [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► and you're my son is he doing out of loyalty displace I'm only gonna buy for [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► its despite the fact that I have any car in the world right [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► compare this to Steve Jobs coming to Apple and continuing to use a ThinkPad [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► busy can run next step [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► not gonna run their friggin classic Mac OS with the Platinum windows and all [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► this crap because it's not it's not good enough right [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► that whole idea of you know toeing the line being company man not not like it [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► to loyalty type thing versus ruthlessly using what you think is the best product [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► no matter what I'm trying like serving aspirational like you would hope this [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► Steve Ballmer will be driving you know a Ferrari BMW or Mercedes or something to [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► give him a taste amazing products can be like and to aspire to make up their [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► testicles prices like that type of attitude to meet daily and that that I'm [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► only gonna drive fords because my father I may be fine if you can only afford for [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► it and it's like you know picking Ford Chevy your hunter but never finds it [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► with words but it's just so crazy to me that type of attitude you know from the [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► gates children are having iPods into Steve Ballmer only driving force that [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► highlights in the Apple and Microsoft and you know I like a Lincoln is made by [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► foreigners a higher quality car then you know ford escort or something like that [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► but but your point taken I totally agree I don't think bomber would fit them [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► Friday by the way they were very accommodating you have enough money to [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► move the seat back I don't know I've never tried to say I've heard that there [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► I've heard they're pretty difficult for even I don't even know if you are I [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► would fit very well and often for us very well typically very very short man [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► there goes the Italian audience I haven't seen a lot of speculation yet on [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► who Microsoft might replace bomber wit and it seemed this seems like a fun game [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► to play [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► yeah I've heard a lot i mean this is a lot of fun [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► suggestions that you know unrealistic the favor one is that I think marco was [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► a nice it's also the first of many people have as well I got first also [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► available here right now that he would never seems like wanna run Microsoft [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► ever but that's fun to think about [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► yeah let's take it seriously I've definitely seen now [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► on Twitter aspect I saw that I mean five minutes after the when I first saw the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► announcement that bombers out I don't think I'm and I certainly cannot claim [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► I've met for stalled once but I did have a nice conversation with them or maybe [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► Heidemann you times after that but I can't kind that I know but what I know [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► of him I can't imagine that he would want the job thing about this who would [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► want the job like a good question asked when you throw anybody's name because [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► it's the type of the type of position where at this point in history almost [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► anybody who would claim to want the job is probably not the right guy for the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► job because if you want the job is like you know you have a lot on your plate [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► right and you know it's going to be super difficult to to turn this big ship [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► around but you also know that no matter how bad the job you do you can still be [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► stinking rich and be extremely powerful powerful for the tiger in the position [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► so the whole class of terrible sort of you know aspiring c-level executives [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► from Fortune 500 companies who would jump at the chance to to further take [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► Microsoft down the tubes because you would make a lot of money and you would [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► be powerful you would be in the press and you would be interviewed all these [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► magazines and you know i mean and so for all the wrong reasons [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► your monthly about all the wrong things yes those people on the position that's [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► not true Microsoft ones I want someone who is you know who loves the company [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► who believes they can do better and who's gonna do something amazing and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► radical I'm that that's tough to find that person a person who's motivated by [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► all the right things but is also capable of it I I would say with forced to I [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► died I would bet everything that we have not heard the last from Scott Forstall [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► my understanding is that the terms of his departure from Apple where that [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► he got a boatload of money I mean like maybe literally like an entire boatload [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► of money and the terms word now you go away and you remain completely quiet for [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► 12 months or 18 months or something you know somewhere and I think maybe the [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► twelve months so whenever that when was that it was last november when it was [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► announced it would be surprised if you first see his name even just in an [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► interview or something [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► come December but I think it was a twelve month period where he is not [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► allowed to say anything in public whatsoever between is not allowed to I [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► mean even like tweet a picture of a flower can't do it [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► complete radio silence for 12 months not allowed to work anywhere now they're [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► doing and after that you know it's probably in some kind of standard list [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► of nine competes for some period of time that's how long he needs to start [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► gathering his future [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► company anyway but look what other similarly having been successful people [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► who left Apple even if they left on better terms than him have done like [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► there's Tony Fadell the guy led the original iPod team went on to make the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► nest thermostat and he didn't leave on that much better terms of forestalling [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you think about it I think maybe it was a little but not much I mean it's [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► certainly he wasn't well both of them had been named by various you know [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► random quote unquote analyst is like potentially future people who could run [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the company but I forestalled I think people took more seriously as bad as a [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► possible both of them believe they were kind of could be in that you know your [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► career path and then both booted out like forrest i think has is a magnum [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► higher than in this level thing yeah but did it the point though is that it's a [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► new company founded by fidel in you know exactly as he wants it burt run so we [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► don't know exactly what he's working on yet at that mystery start up some kind [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► of they've got like a slogan or something but you know he's but it's a [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► new company right that he's working on down and San Jose somewhere secretly [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► could have you know obviously could go almost anywhere you wanted to you know [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► it's a guy is unbelievable record but made a new company [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► well yes I think those are those are two very different things best thing about [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► this like bertrand I think would have no problem if his company make something [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► amazing song accompanied back down right that's very true [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► whereas forestall this point in his career [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► wants to be the Steve Jobs whatever he does next and Steve Jobs you know I'm [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► indecisive job you did something next backed out all but it was a long time [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► coming in and that was not his first choice right the only way for stalls [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► ever coming back to Apple is after some sort of decade-long disastrous drought [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► no I mean you know I mean is it possible it certainly doesn't seem possible right [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► now but after Tim Koch dies in a private jet accident or something [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► well you know if we get to the year 2022 and Apple has had you know their stocks [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► been flat ever since 2011 and they're losing money in the iPhone is no longer [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► viable platform etcetera etcetera who knows but I mean it would take you know [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► like Apple back to where they were in 1997 distorted disaster for forestall to [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► come back and like a complete execution of the entire current executive staff so [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► no I don't think Scott Forstall any interest in the Microsoft ya think he [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► wants to do the very least you have you have to get someone like him time to go [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► off tried around trying to decide if they didn't like it once or twice or [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► something like that he's not if they're they're smart they'll call him like it [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► they're smart they're gonna make the call [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► make the offer talk to him about it find out what the deal is that I think that's [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► that's why people don't take it seriously said it seems it seemed so [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► unlikely because I mean I've never spoken over from what I can tell him he [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► doesn't seem like the type of person who's just interested in being the CEO [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► of something or just interested in being powerful and he also seems like the kind [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► of person who would turn up his nose at Microsoft the same reason all apple snob [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► term [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► Microsoft right I don't think that their technology is appealing to him you know [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that the whole technology stack to have in place I don't know that he be [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► interesting but that is it certainly is interesting what it but I don't think is [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► gonna happen I don't think it's feasible so here's one about us [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► basis by Rihanna said I would could they possibly say that would make him [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► interested I mean he's already got a massive entirely building his own image [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► yeah I think about him as though he he strikes me as a person who is able to [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► see how seemingly unconnected things can be worked together work together for [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► mutual benefit like he's the guy the company was signed books on the internet [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► and decided to build a storage service and like you know and ec2 cloud [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► computing stuff now some of that is because I okay we need something like [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that for a Tehran Iran service but but reselling it and decided to make tablet [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► computers and like Andy Inc reader like you know it's not that far-fetched but [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► if you're the CEO of a company selling books on the internet those are not your [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► first like the things amazon has done seemed like you were told me in like [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► nineteen ninety five or whenever Amazon started fast forward a couple years in [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► Amazon's gonna have dismissed what why would they have that like it doesn't [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► make sense it doesn't seem like it in the same business so what could he do [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► owning both Amazon and Microsoft Arc those two things work together and i [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► couldnt lots of ways to work together to make what what do you say no that he'd [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► be he'd be like where jobs was the CEO of Pixar and Apple he'd be the CEO [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► Amazon and Microsoft yes no yes the CEO both they would not they would not pull [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► away yes exactly I can see if if Bezos said I'd be interested I can certainly [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► see why Microsoft Word when I listen to him I can't see what they wanted [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► I can't see why he would even spent thirty seconds thinking about it has the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► smell factor like you know Amazon is it not on the ascent then it's a survivor [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► is doing well and people like it then Microsoft is seen as being on the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► downslope and I don't think he really feels the need to rescue Microsoft one [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► thing he clearly has an Amazon and you know i've spoken and written a bit about [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► Amazon the last month or so but I mean there's a lot of dispute from for more [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► financial minded people that I've got it all wrong but one thing I don't think [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► anybody could denies that basis has effectively carte blanche from his [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► investors in my hand and the board he doesn't really have to answer to anybody [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► in the board and Amazon investors are very happy with what he's doing [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► whereas that big problem with Microsoft right now is that investors are very [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► unhappy with in there was a story just today that what do you call it [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► activist investor group has successfully gotten a new member of the board at [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► Microsoft witches according to The Wall Street Journal almost unprecedented for [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► a company their size you know that investors are very unhappy and that it's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the investors being unhappy that seemingly has gotten bored agitated and [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► you know it's the board that made the move to do this you know he's not [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► there's a lot of people to answer to their I mean I guess you could [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► theoretically get a contract written that says you know you're gonna have to [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you know get off my back and i dont have to run ideas by you you're gonna make me [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the CEO and I get to do whatever I want but doesn't work like that that's like [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the worst thing that can happen to companies like Microsoft the situation [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► is to have suddenly the board you know sort of get emergency powers or whatever [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► like you like to to have the future of the company be decided by committee the [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► committee is only a handful of people that is the worst possible thing like [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► the reason it worked at Apple is because jobs came in [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► and like the board you know I don't feel like shuttle through the border a place [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► in people who never been like it was a hundred percent backing up in these [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► rubber stamped what he did like him and he talked to them and got advice or [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► whatever but it was not as if they were like ok steel but we really watching [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► ummm maybe they were like it was not you can't run the company by committee at [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you when you have a company's situation you need like strong decisive leadership [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► that also happens to be correct yeah jobs almost a man might be getting the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► slightly wrong and there may be one or two board members who he kept on like [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► maybe bill campbell is already on the board but he you know but he's friends [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► personal friends with Steve Jobs so it's not surprising that he did other bar [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► maybe but I maybe wrong maybe even bill campbell was somebody who jobs brought [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► on after he came back in 97 but he effectively got most of the existing [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► Apple board to commit seppuku you know even longtime members like whatsapp uses [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► a mark Marcoola the guy who is like the 3rd or 4th founder of Apple like the big [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► investor yeah I mean no surprise there since he was one of the guys of course [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► jobs out in in 86 but you know when the board got a job to come back they more [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► or less [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► part of the deal was in all of you have to sit step down or at least all gifted [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► submit her resignation and I'll pick which ones have used a yeah I was saying [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► I need to be that the the advantage that Apple and Jobs had was that Apple was in [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► way worse shape than Microsoft and like it it's so much easier to do the radical [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► scary thing what it's like your only choice like look we're gonna go bankrupt [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► otherwise so then you know about the whole board steps down that Steve Jobs [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► take over and above the bar with a friend who wants to live well we're [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► gonna be out of business if we don't do something and so that sounds good and [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► like the board stepping aside it's like they probably thought they were leaving [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► a sinking ship like people who didn't have faith in jobs or whatever and that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► the fact that the board was populated with people who are just gonna more or [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► less give thumbs up to whatever steve did let him execute his plan over the [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► years that he was over the company in his second rain and I if Microsoft board [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► something like shareholders of pissed off and put the guy on the board and the [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► board like I don't know what the hell to do like those people have no idea of how [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to fix Microsoft none of those [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► people if elevated to CEO could fix the company right so I mean as far as we [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► know it seems very likely is that they've been overseeing the bomber and [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► just kind of going [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► hemming and hawing so like you do not want you know rule by committee you want [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► something exciting and radical and probably also need to be willing to take [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► markets are down further to bring it up so like tech businesses that you know [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► nothing about Steve Jobs playbook but you know what he came in he cleaned [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► house and already you know dying company canceling projects left and right you [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► have to decide what you want Microsoft to be and everything that's not totally [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► concentrating on achieving that gold you ditch you don't like put into [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► maintenance mode while they're gonna get less updates or whatever you just like [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► we gotta cut off at this point America's history can't do that because each one [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► of those businesses is you know it's worth like maybe not presented by a lot [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► but in real money it's worth on the board good like well what do you do in [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► our revenues gonna go down he can't do this I'm not gonna give you you know [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► Microsoft doesn't have a year two years to reboot a bunch of things and like [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► they're in a tough situation and I think it would be better if their business was [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► failing monetarily fortunately it's not right it's it's to draw an analogy is [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► like it clearly it's hard to get everyone to act on climate change based [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► on evidence that we may be seeing trouble ahead [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► whereas it would be a lot easier to get everybody on board if Manhattan rendered [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► twenty feet of water [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► yep right i mean and you can say well then it's too late but you know that's [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► where I was in ninety-seven Apple in ninety-seven was you know manhattan's [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► got twenty feet of water [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► higher ground floor of every building in an underwater welding jobs thing seems [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► opposition was his loss comment on mister building in new city inland right [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► then you're not allowed to use gasoline anymore right and you know that's you [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► know nobody was gonna nobody would have gone for that you know three four years [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► earlier when they should maybe [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► so I will just say one more thing before I take the first sponsor but there is [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► one person who is currently on the Microsoft Word who could conceivably [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► take over as CEO have no idea i guess im bored so well bill gates yet now that [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► I've heard that one as well but like he's someone who did leave on his own [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► terms right note you know he decided he was gonna leave he decided his successor [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► was gonna be he took like a year to walk out the door and he is totally the wrong [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► person I think even if you want to do it because I don't know maybe not only [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► their own person he he missed the internet thing but he did turn the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► company around in time to time to crash netscape using illegal tactics like I [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► don't know if that's all you want running the show but he is definitely of [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the old Microsoft mindset like I don't I don't know if that mindset that mindset [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► served him well in the environment that he was in at that time and I don't know [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► if he has the even if you want to have the mindset in the skills to succeed in [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► the current market because he oversaw a lot of the you know what he's still the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► CEO and they were doing those well he certainly for the pen computing in the [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► tablet in a speech recognition I think for a little bit of the smartphone stuff [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► that they were doing he was there and all those fields doing crappy things [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► before everyone else was doing anything those were there for the taking him and [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► he didn't take them he missed the miscalculated they'd spend all this [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► money on R&D research products and every year CSE telling you in the future we're [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► gonna be like blah blah blah never ship it right and then he walked out the door [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► so I don't think he is the guy you want any way in hell that is coming back I [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► don't think we're there but it would be a credible choice in the eyes of at [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► least significant certainly I think in the business world would be seen as a [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► credible choice would be seen as a credible choice in some portion of the [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► tech world comes up from everybody like well most popular stock market like it I [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► think the board would like it they would sell it would be just like Steve Jobs [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► come back to happen here comes feel like it is it's the one with the best optics [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► because anyone else you bring [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► is going to be an unknown and that's like bad it makes people nervous or like [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► best case like so they get Scott Forstall whatever people like I like [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► nervous right right that's so Bill Gates is like it's a devil you know that he's [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► the one who made like that that is their their best choice if you want the [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► highest ratio positive to negative stories on the best reaction of the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► stock price but long-term until they get their best bet I don't think so either [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► because the question you have to ask is what would bill gates have done [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► differently if he had stayed on as CEO for the past 12 years instead of taking [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► chairmanship in having bomber take over what would he have done differently and [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► I don't know that the answer is much at all he strikes me as being more more [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► ruthless than machiavellian than than bomber and the like he just wants to win [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► the game like whether it's a board game or or the game of companies and he will [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► do whatever it takes to win the game which is sort of why he was able to [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► crush netscape and why you know he was willing to turn the whole company around [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► the internet tidal wave memo know that all the stuff I think it takes more than [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that but that is least showing a little more scrap and fight and bombers show [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► more bombers has kind of been desperately trying to move in the right [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► direction but Gates would just be like up at night thinking about how how can [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► outmaneuver these companies who are my competitors and how can I defeat them [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► and that that fire I don't know that fires gun on him now or would it still [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► there but if he was in charge I like Microsoft would have done more bold [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► things than they did under bomber yeah and it is does seem true that he was [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► more hands-on may be significantly more hands [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► in product development than bombers were was you know that major software [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► products went before bill gates for review and certainly without the level [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► of taste which we should get back to cause I think it's a fundamental feeling [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► of bomber in Microsoft's culture as a whole but in terms of strong being [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► strongly opinionated and by his word alone you gotta go back to the drawing [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► board Bill Gates had that and I don't know that Kate ever really involved [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► himself at that level yet both David Gates was honored and he he was a [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► program and he wanted to stop in and bomber was you know MBA type right he [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► wasn't he can't tell you like the famous tell from omars Polski things on his [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► side about coming to them about some calendaring function in Excel and having [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► bomber quiz them and like EB leap year leap second and crazy cases about dates [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► and stuff but he brushed up on before he came to the meeting and then I have [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► answers from that's not happening with the army nothing is that use to be see [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► either but that was that was gates's type attitude because it was a tech [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► company because he was a tech nerd you fail to do that but even just a thing [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► where gates would go away for like a week or two every year to do like his [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► thinking time with his books and everything like that when he came back [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► with the internal internet tidal wave memo feel like I've read about breeding [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► does internet be keeping up with it I decided you know it's it's a big deal [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► now he was always going away and coming coming back with ideas like that and he [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► was usually right about the areas they had to be in its just that then they [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► executed poorly and made crab meat products that gets back to the taste [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► things like he knew that they should be into tablet computing and 10 computing [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and speech recognition in mobile just the products they created there were not [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► not good enough to break far enough with the past and you know he can get it done [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► one of my favorite Bill Gates stories is permitted Herzfeld folklore website in [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► what was the book version revolution in the valley where the first time I think [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► it was andy's story but the first time he showed bill gates a macintosh before [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► it was released [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and Microsoft they were trying to get Microsoft on board as an app developer [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► he caught onto was the mouse pointer animation which was terrific and was the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► sort of thing like to get it to enemy without like trails and likeness in [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► gates accused them of that it was somehow like hardware cheap that there [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► was something that was in the hardware just to get the mouse pointer to animate [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► as as well as it did on 1980 1983 hardware and many many like grilled [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► Herzfeld on how they were doing it caught on to a little details like that [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► and knew that there must be some you know either they were cheating or it was [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► genius that it was working as well as it did I was believed that seamless [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► dramatized varying degrees of accuracy in the parts silicon Valerie Valley [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► terrible TV-movie way back but any recollection of it does I would take [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► that is more accurate than the thing with Noah Wyle but that's that's what [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you get when you when you show something to an engineer and I think this is [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► unfair to bill gates but he kind of his kind of the guys name from Amadeus who [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► wasn't necessary without his name I forget what have you seen the movie on [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► it is a long time ago [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► alright so there's this is no sorry he's amazingly talented and this is [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► contemporary guy who is sort of Mozart's competitor but is smart enough to [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► realize that genius and it's so pissed that he's never gonna be that good and [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the demo targets and so Bill Gates was smart enough to see the Mac and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► immediately notice that cursor and detecting a long enough to ask you know [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► to grill them to I gotta find out how you did it seems like every time he [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► would see Apple do something like look you know Microsoft is bigger than Apple [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► I'm better than Apple I'm Richards and then all the available on the richest [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► man in the world i buy software on every desktop but damn those Apple people they [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► do this crap he's got a Pawlenty Bill Gates happened he was smart enough to [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► have a plan v [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and when he talks about Steve Jobs look after his death in everything that I [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► believe the admiration he talks about Steve does not like BS sort of business [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► people gotta say nice things about my contemporary competitors I believe he [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► really did admire and respect Steve Jobs and indeed a lot of the products that [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► Apple and Steve Jobs are able to make and that's that's the bill gates credit [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that he did that and just pissed him off but why can't we make things I nice work [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► why are things that nice like he could he had just enough taste to be able to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► know that the cursor movement on the Macintosh that way better than the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► cursor movement on the day been able to do with their you know attempts to do [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► similar type of thing and he gets it off and he had to know how it was done right [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► it was the same reason why so much of everything you'd drug on the original [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► Mac was an outline just a little bit because it was hard to to make things [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► anime like that and there was some kind of trick that hurts funding come up with [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► it was probably what's his name [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► the quick drug I like and yeah i concerned but there was something I had [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► something to do with the fact that it was exactly 16 by 16 pixels and they [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► couldn't do use the same trick to make say live animation of the whole window [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► or even a whole icon but for a 16 by 16 square they can do it [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► hardware yeah I think it says everything about gates that he liked latched onto [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► it immediately take a break and we'll get back to get back to the taste issue [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and Microsoft [TS]

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00:40:22 ◼   ► goofy you you'd think they'd say it's five bucks a month but then again he was [TS]

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00:40:40 ◼   ► fireball instead of using the talk show these during fire but I don't care [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► everybody knows it's the same thing [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► show should probably be called the turn fireball show anyway [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► www.blackberry.com / during viable and then don't know you came from the show [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► can't recommend it enough apart the fireball them because they remember the [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► like the old bag placed site i like it a little movie in the header that showed [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► someone squirting lighter fluid on the laptop and landing on fire there there [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► early versions of their website was like you know torture computer don't worry we [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► got your data backed up this thing I like about places that I mean I use it [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► on the front of now the hardest thing I've been about customers back when they [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► were when they did that the lighter fluid thing on their website and it'd be [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► like okay and we'll send you you know if you can get you get your ad online but [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► will send your hard drive because it's way easier to get that amount of data [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► and they showed like the hard drive size they will send you an ass like if you're [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► stuck with it anymore [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► one hard drive will send you multiple hard drives and I look at the size of [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► the hard drives like all my stuff not gonna put their cause I got so much [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► stuff in multiples of tobacco but that was so long ago they keep increasing the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► size of the hard drives the right so like I'm still paying the same rate I [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► was always paying but now there's like three terabyte hard over something I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► forgot how big it is but it's way bigger than it was when I first signed up so I [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► mean you can imagine it can be like well when you signed up for $5 a month only [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► got your 320 gigabyte hard drive and if you want a better version you have to [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► sign up they just keep making the hard drive size which is great because what [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► you want you want them to feel like the biggest rival candidate that point you [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► know paying for them to FedEx you a big hard drive is it the least of your [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► concerns like house burned down the cardinal sins of backup are not backing [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► up everything they back up everything right if you only backup XY and Z but [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► you don't back up w guess what [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► W is what you're gonna need to backup everything murphy's law says it's the [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► thing you don't back up with a backup everything not backing up frequently [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► enough if you only run manual backups it's the time when you don't run it for [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► two weeks that that's when you're gonna that's when disasters strike murphy's [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► law guarantees it their software just you know you do a big back up and then [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► adjusting you know updates incrementally without you doing anything and then [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► what's see offsite well there are side by definition an online backup service I [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► would add a fourth which is not testing restores and restores anytime you want [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► to go to their website and have you know pick files at random and get a zip file [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► containing them and confirm that they are the 55 miles right I have not done [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► it just a test restarted it actually restorative like since I think to ask [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► you can you know testing restores something I should be doing on a more [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► regular basis just checking but over a matter of course of just having the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► services like where the heck is that file sometimes it's easier to dig [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► through your backups and get it back and I am you know as a side effect I'm also [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► testing the restore process every time I pull out from backwards backup rights [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► you're at some meeting you all you brought with you is your iPhone [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► in a meeting you need some files from your computer you can use back please [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► happen anyway great stuff WBW by plays back blaze dot com slash during fireball [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► my only problem with them as I have trouble pronouncing the name I wanna say [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► black base which is probably a website so I really think part of you know [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► bombers comeuppance is that the man has no taste and whatever lack of taste Bill [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► Gates had I think bombers wheres and I keep pointing to 5.2 it for years i've [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► pointed to it for years as proof that they should have fired him years ago the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► infamous interview he gave when the iPhone was first announced when he [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► laughed at it on camera and said you know a $600 phone with no keyboard you [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► gotta be kidding me and just laughed and laughed and laughed I have pointed to [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► that for years as proof that this guy's asleep at the switch was the wrong guy [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► for the job and the pointed out the people I every time I play link to an [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► email from people saying well what do you expect him to say that's not prove [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► anything he's the CEO over rival company he can't say good things about the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► iPhone but that's the point he didn't just not say good things about the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► iPhone he laughed at it there's a there's a video you can look at now and [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► it looks hot looks horrendous tonight so it's not just him [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► pooh-poohing the iPhone or or saying you know pointing out one bad thing about it [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like the price the original 2007 iPhone which they tried to sell unsubsidized [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► was very expensive to $600 phone was not going to take over them so he could have [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► just said look it's too expensive I you know and then talk up whatever the best [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► Windows Mobile phones were of the time there is a way to play that on camera [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that you know stuck to a Windows Mobile central line [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► but which didn't dismiss the iPhone or or didn't mark the iPhone I should well [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► I don't think he really believed that I do it I think I don't think he looked at [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► the iPhone I don't think he looked at the iPhone thought holy ship we're [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► fucked well he wouldn't I don't think he understood the depth of the problem but [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► like it's kind of a cold war-era my mentality where as soon as the USA does [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► anything you know fighter jets are 10 times our pilots are 10 times better [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► than theirs are more tanks and you will never like its propaganda like as soon [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► as did the iPhone comes out like denny's is a company man is gonna say Windows [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► Mobile he would plot the stats about we sell this many phones and we've been [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► doing this for this long look at this thing and it's terrible in every [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► possible way it's like it's it's you know it's propaganda against the enemy [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► and that is his first and second the problem with having that be your first [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► instinct as CEO to have the reaction I think it's disingenuous or whatever but [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► eventually you start to convince yourself because you keep saying those [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► things like I think eventually because he doesn't want to believe that this [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► thing is is better as everyone says it is that pisses him off he starts saying [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► these things and eventually starts to like believe them more than he should [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► but I don't think I don't think he ever really believed all the things he was [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► saying about how terrible the iPhone is I think he went back to the people in [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► his team and said why does why aren't our phones like this why at the very [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► least just simply saying why doesn't the preso same things with the latest [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► version of Windows Mobile to say about this you know i mean he's gonna go back [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► and yelled at people and and and ask why that's a problem even if he doesn't [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► understand why right and the taste thing like when we say that bad taste like we [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► kind of mean is that on the same taste or the same taste as Apple because he [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► does have a form of taste but his taste runs towards things that don't make for [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► a successful consumer products so it's not like he has no taste he has a taste [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► in a design is that it can are as embodied in I don't know what what can [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► you look at to figure it out as embodied in the product the way he he managed [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► Microsoft has invited to his wardrobe transportation choices like he has some [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► taste is just different than the taste that we have [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and at this point he said you know so what your taste different just different [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► but I think Apple at this point is vindicated enjoying it just like the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► same to say what was what was Sony's tastes like when they were the king of [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► the consumer electronics cell what is apples taste like there is a through [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► line between those companies and it is not like the taste of Microsoft's Steve [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► Ballmer so it's the incorrect taste that have if you want to be in this type of [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► Sony when they're on top had a very distinctive taste i I liked you know it [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► was usually black like black devices and when they weren't they would you know go [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► almost radical directions like the the waterproof Walkman and were like bright [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► yellow ya know that they're so I still like that if you look at how to be [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► amazed it like that they'd fallen so low right but they still have some designers [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► in a doing interesting things like you know look look at the design of the [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► PlayStation 2 for instance it was very futuristic an impressive and PlayStation [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► 3 to look like George Foreman grill but like always everything we do is [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► interesting and like in terms of design unfortunate the rest of the rest of the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► things that the company that is not probably doing that great and now [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► they're like a movie studio and all sorts of other entitlements and things [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► but design wise there is there are some good design is still at Sony and they do [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► make things that sort of capture the imagination more than like compared the [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► original Xbox which is also black plastic just like a ps2 but if you can't [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► tell the difference from the original Xbox and ps2 in terms of design like [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► there's your problem can't detect the difference both blasting the black [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► plastic slats and them damn about the same ones obviously bigger than the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► other but during the size difference like this a huge difference was between [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► those two things I would say the controllers to i mean and I know that [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► controllers are it's almost like we're gonna get into how quickly your keyboard [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► should be but I'm not a gamer but I just thought just as I guess snap judgment [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► level that PlayStation controllers have always looked very appealing to me and [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► Xbox once for example not so much unfortunately when it comes to [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► controllers are things you're going to hold in your hand how it looks like [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► that's that's been so many spelling there and and apples failing to make the [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► reason you know the hockey puck mouse or even the current Magic Mouse too low you [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► can if you have a a visual design aesthetic and you want things to look [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► just so that is exactly the wrong instinct to indulge when you're making [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► something that fits inside someone's hand and they supposed to look at while [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► they're using right like i mean they saw me does make they did make their control [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► is beautiful and symmetrical with like conical sections for the little things [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► that you hope that's not what shake people's hands are in and so it looks [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► like a nice piece of art but not great holder is Microsoft went the other [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► direction said we're selling to thirty year old guys make the controller bigger [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► make it a listen [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► stranger and yet another thing but i i think the Xbox controller see more [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► successful control isn't than the PlayStation kronenberg looking at the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► two of them one of them looks like a hamburger and looks like a sleek [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► futuristic thing here's another bitter taste member of the beta back in [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► September 2010 when Windows Phone 7 was released to manufacturing and they held [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► a funeral parade in Microsoft campus for the BlackBerry and iPhone compare that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► compare that to Apple which had a funeral for its own operating system on [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► state for their own product beyond propaganda they do the you know start [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► your photocopiers and trashing windows or whatever but but that's i mean in all [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► cases though he seems kind of unseemly like if if you are the underdogs ninety [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► need that to motivate the troops and like when Apple was the underdog that's [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► when it worked and I started to become the over dog that's when it became a [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► little bit distasteful but at that point like Microsoft like this momentum of [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► being the big dog and it's the kind of unseemly for them to be trashing the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► other competitors but like that just fits into the cold war mentality in the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► propaganda Sligo everything we do is $100 [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► everything they do is terrible we are the best we're gonna win and that's not [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► that's not helpful like that type of propaganda doesn't motivate the troops [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► because they know it's not true just as much as you know or should know that [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► it's not true like there's a there's a measured rational response that you let [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► you know the people in your company know that you understand what is better about [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► the other products and you're still behind you still you believe your [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► company can best them but now you know what you have to do and that is not [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► communicated by just blind rara cheerleading for everything your company [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► does right I think it's kinda dispiriting if you're the troops if you [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► can't believe everything that youre leader says right I mean I think [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► everybody at Microsoft Windows Phone 7 no matter how well it did and no matter [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► how good it was and it was certainly a lot better than everything [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► microsoft done in mobile before but it wasn't gonna kill the iPhone I don't [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► think there is anybody there maybe except for Ballmer they could have that [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► meeting of the head Windows Phone 7 series Phone 7 you know you're before [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► the iPhone right right then it really would've been like wow where the hell [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► did this come from because it was so much better than what they had before [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► like they were they were justifiably proud of but again they the overshoot [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► they got it you know and the thing about bearing rim like I think that's the [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► moment I was that one could call because I think everyone at that point could [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► anyone with a brain could see that room was in serious trouble that was actually [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► a good called on their part I think everybody in the computer industry could [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► see it you know because I think that everybody could see and that was the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► whole basis of the big white room was screwed in 20 2008 was simply from the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► basis of look we call them smart phones but they're not phones their little tiny [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► personal computers that happen to have cellphone networking and RIM has no [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► experience making computers they make little messaging devices they're screwed [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► because they can't make computers and they eventually realize that when they [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► bought what you call it the axe yeah yeah the QNX which was you know got them [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► in the game with the route you know by all measures you know say what you want [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► about the [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► BlackBerry 10 OS but you know the QNX wore underneath as you know super well [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► regarded as you know it's the real deal but it was way too little too late and I [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► think that's clearly not even Microsoft can see these things are a little [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► computers now the game [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► yeah I was put on Monday barring there if they were there [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► funeral else it was BlackBerry and iPhone and iPhone nothing else to do [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► they live together and the reason that you mention Nokia the same reason [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► everything ok was invincible busy look at the sales number like well no guess I [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► was like oh gillian phones every year so we're not even talk about them as I was [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► a nobody could be on top forever well as business sense of you know not realizing [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► that what they're selling are you know feature phones done well and I wouldn't [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► be surprised I forget when Stephen Elop came ok took over as nokia CEO which is [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► certainly when it became much more likely that they would license Windows [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► as an operating system but I wouldn't be surprised if they already had Nokia you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► know on the list up we'd like them to make Windows Phone 7 they can you know [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► that the big thing the big similarity between rim and Apple was that they were [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► the two companies that built the whole kit you know that hardware and the OS [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► you know the companies they couldn't afford them awkward anybody who was a [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► potential OEM for Windows that's probably true but yet but yeah right [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► like any company should know that you know some other company having huge head [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► start on the software ecosystem is a big problem it should have a Microsoft is [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that was like such such a key factor in their success with the PC getting the [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► apps getting all of them like by that point the App Store had moved along had [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► no but nobody in Microsoft believe like people cheering the audience believed in [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► their heart of hearts that Windows Phone 7 was going to sweep the iPhone off the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► table anytime soon [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► best-case the boy you know three years from now we may you know be tied with [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► them in terms of developer support number about its best case scenario [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► right I think anybody at Microsoft even bomb in anybody who could have been that [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► should have been the CEO of [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► should have been able to realize immediately the day of the iPhone being [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► unveiled on stage in January 2007 that wow we've been caught flat-footed we [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► need to start today I mean right now [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► immediate emergency meeting we've got a we've gotta think about how we're gonna [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► catch up to this just by looking at what Apple showed on the first day with the [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► iPhone but even if you didn't have the taste to recognize that the moment where [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► everybody at Microsoft should have had that you know this is an emergency [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► meeting would have been a year later when the App Store was announced and [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► response was so incredibly strong from that such a diverse array of developers [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► i I can forgive them for not believing you're not going to believe they have [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► announcement and because it was so different after was so different that [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► there was a good chance like if you didn't you didn't understand like they [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► were showing that there's like the same kind of weird could go either way right [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► and I would say like a year later that's way too late I would say the time the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► time when you when you should have that meeting if you didn't have an amoeba [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► concealable see what's going to happen right time to have a meeting is once you [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► are a bad as any of the c-level executives american chopper anybody is [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► able to go to the store buy and iPhone bring home and play with it then you [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► better have been meaning to you like we've got a problem here but you play [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► with that phone and you realize I don't want to go back to the phones like the [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► iPhone was a compelling product once you had in your hands and that's when you [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► need to have that meeting because the proof is in the product right $600 or no [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► if you play around that thing you know on day one the original iPhone and don't [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► realize damn I cannot go back to my windows mobile phone after this we need [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► to have a meeting that's the problem that's a good point and it was it was it [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► was it was a product that was as good as the demos claimed it was and you can't [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► be sure that like they put up on the screen like Microsoft right you can't [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► you can't tell if we didn't although he seemed amazing we trust we had faith in [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► Apple until you get that thing you can do not sure because it was so weird and [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► i but the proof is in the product and had to know but I'm they all had iPhones [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► maybe maybe the fact that Microsoft has a history of of sort of sham demos it [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► may be that actually set them back in six months as they just you know much [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► like RIM's famous response where they actually had a meeting you know the week [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► after the iPhone came out and came away with the conclusion that Apple had faked [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► the whole thing because it was impossible you know maybe Microsoft [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► reaction like it but it's the type you know go khobar analogy again so they [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► watch the demo right and go down to their phone team they were just as [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► iPhone demo we're not sure that that's going to fly over its BS or we don't [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► know but you know what do you think of it head of Windows Mobile and Windows [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► Moses our phones are strong we don't have to worry [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► strong Windows Mobile that's what they have to do as a company man down the [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► chain of command you never tell your superior we're screwed in the thing [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► we're working on these past few years does not hold a candle to what they have [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► and we need to regroup write your initial reaction is always don't worry [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► everything's fine cuz that's like that's how you say you got your job to tell you [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► keep your job you're always just say no everything's great we're great our [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► phones are the best because that's the company line and just keep your peanuts [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► themselves while having a sinking feeling in the pit of the stomach that [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► that's bad I think you had a good point to about the developers and one thing [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► that I think should have been terrifying the Microsoft and they have any company [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► understands the value of having third-party developers support for your [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► platform it's them the scariest thing was that Apple almost literally didn't [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► do any work to get that support they actually work against it and we're [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► telling developers at the beginning we're not even gonna let you write apps [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► for this and third-party developers alike please let us write apps and they [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► said no [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► little web no and then they were like please let us write apps and then like [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► within a month of the thing coming out you know Craig Hockenberry and and Lucas [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► Newman figured out how to write apps around Apple's back with no actual [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► support no STK you know Lucas Newman had hit the lights out game and I was like [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► what when the iPhone was announced like that was the an amazing to me that you [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► know for all the source I doesn't doesn't see these things are these Steve [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► Jobs initially like that I think was macro right when it was announced in [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► January so at Macworld you cable sasser did a podcast like in like the Macworld [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► fishbowl or whatever you were talking about of course talking about the iPhone [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► and I wasn't there but I did the one video ever was a nice day I did a little [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► video and my video was not of how awesome the iPhone is there anything I [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► video was about the fact that every single person at Macworld in our circle [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► of people who like Mac Developer sold that phone said the same thing that I [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► quoted from cable from your podcast like can we write apps for this phone because [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► that would be awesome I'm paraphrasing but I think I got it exactly right and [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► that's that was the story macworld was like we see this phone this phone is [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► amazing every month like immediately not like a month later a year later thinking [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► about that like as soon as a tech nerd saw that phone like I want I want to my [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► apt to be on that phone I want to write out that was the day of the announcement [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► he was saying that and that will you know and that's the video average like [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► the song dance with me because everyone was like yes you me phone we together [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► make beautiful apps right-wing know how do I guess you don't know anything about [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► the things we don't know what makes a good eye for now but we know we want to [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► be there we want to write out that there's a template to Apple's Keynote [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► presentations and you can almost see well not like a literal keynote template [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► but there probably is for that too but a forum that they typically follow and and [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► one of them often is for a new thing [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► they'll they'll say here's ten things we wanted to know about it a go through the [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► 10th but you can also see then how that maybe they started with 40 things and [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► they say here's the forty things we might want to talk about what are the 10 [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► that'll be the best to talk about in the thing and I'm sure that you know it's a [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► weeks-long [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► do these tend to do these you do this they pick the ten they rehearse the 10th [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► Ave am ready to go and then there's often a slide where they'll show like [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► the other thirty or forty things at once lived with all these different other [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► features in various sizes of of myriad and they'll say look and there's all [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► this stuff too and at the iPhone debut in Macworld that slide had up in like [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► the upper right corner one of the words was Coco like they never did Steve Jobs [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► never said Coco it was just a word on a slide with like thirty other features of [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► the iPhone but he did say that he said it runs OS 1010 was a riot that brief [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► naming things right he said it runs OS 10 and up on that slide it said Coco and [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► like you said in our crowd everybody was already over the fact that it was so [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► awesome looking but it was that they'd already start you know they've realized [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► that this thing you know if it was if that was true that you could build ups [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► because that's how they made their abs you know that it was you know all these [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► like jurassic park this is a unique system I know this I know Coco I can [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► write an app for that phone that that just by him saying it runs OS 10 and [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► that word Coco that everybody in our crowd had already figured out that iOS [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► was what iOS is that it was the mythical stripped down version of OS 10 with the [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► next up frameworks for application development and everyone wanted to write [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► and act like we all saw the abbey and it's kind of like Apple's own ass [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► backwards into success like the same thing with jobs you know refusing to [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► make iTunes for Windows for so long I had to be argued down by the [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► the rest of the you know slightly less stubborn executive team at Apple like [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► fine when they get for Windows let these stupid iPod become a runaway success [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► that's what you want fine go ahead don't have it I was like well I thought I [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► would have second sponsor break I won't tell you about this another repeat [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► sponsor just by coincidence but I know that they have also sponsored the ATP [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► they know their audience this is transporter by by our friends at [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► connected data I remember transporter transporter is your own private [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► distributed storage service again this analogy comes from them I'm not making [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► it up it's like your own private Dropbox you buy a piece of hardware from you [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► install the hardware right there in your home or office where everyone it you can [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► buy more than one of them you can distribute them you sign up for your [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► transporter account and you get a little shared Dropbox style storage system I [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► don't know how you describe it just works you install the software you [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► install the hardware and then all the sudden whatever you put in your [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► transporter is on all of your transporters why would she uses instead [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► of Dropbox it's because you control in on the hardware this is not online [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► stores there are clouds doors there is no mysterious transporter place where [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► they have your data your data only exists on these hardware devices that [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► you won't which is important for untold many reasons some people have to based [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► on client regulations or their privacy record things HIPAA things for for [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► people who work in medicine I don't know if any of you have heard about this [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► there's an organization in the you s called the NSA that is apparently [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► listening to John and I record the show right now all sorts of reasons why you [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► might want to control privately owned [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► well guess what they've got version 2.0 software coming out of beta its they've [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► got early access to it [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► whole bunch of amazing new features they have new videos that show you how to set [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► up a transporter how easy it is to use with your Mac how easy it is to share [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► files and folders with friends and colleagues and you can watch those [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► videos at WWW dot filed transporter dot com how to howto howw dash deal I'll bet [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► if you just want to their home page private filers videos to have a special [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► offer for listeners of the talk show to celebrate the early access release of [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► their 2.0 software connected data is offering listeners of the show [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► 50 bucks off their purchase of a transporter this applies to all three [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► configurations of their hard work you can buy the zero terabyte that's for the [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► nerds that's if you uninstall your own address [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► kind of a call option they also have models with one terabyte terabytes dress [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► no matter which one you choose you could save 50 bucks I mean that's a serious [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► discount that is like I mean that's no joke I have to do to save that money is [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► used this code talk eight TLK 8 you want to act now because I code doesn't last [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► forever [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► the discount is only available through midnight september fifteenth so don't [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► wait till the 15th and try to guess which timezone midnight the explorations [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► in just go now to check it out if you like it buy it used the code you'll save [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► 50 bucks but doable for September 15th at filed transporter store.com [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► transporter [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► I do i just i just promoted it to my little network attached storage area in [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► the basement of all ups the transporter up to it that's what I like about [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► network attached storage as you can put it somewhere like completely out of [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► sight and it just seems like magic number where you are in the world like [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► you have access to the storage and I know it sitting in my basement I know [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► it's you know I know where it is but it seems like magic really great guys group [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► company we're just talking about what was the last thing Microsoft PowerPoint [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► Microsoft yeah we're a little bit of dancing on their grave but it's kind of [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► a bit unseemly any other names and hear their names on it we want to talk about [TS]

01:09:34 ◼   ► what about Steven Sinofsky what about bringing him back I don't know if he [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► knew I don't know if he knows how to make markets accessible I think he's a [TS]

01:09:44 ◼   ► smart guy and I think he has some good ideas but I mean he's not a terrible I [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► don't think if they brought him back I wouldn't say like it would require there [TS]

01:09:56 ◼   ► to be like unbeknownst to us you know that before he was pushed out by bomber [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► that you know the board said well aware that you know whatever the disagreement [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► was with polymer that the board agrees that Sinofsky should have won that [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► anti-social though he seems like hard to get on with this in the same vein as [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► forestall yeah but that might work better if he's the CEO is better if he [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► has good ideas [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► right well I mean he did like I don't know I can't I can't get a read on him [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► he certainly has a lot of the aspects that you want and that he's kinda like [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► he's got that quality of like he's going to boldly do things I just don't have [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► quite enough be that he is going to do the right things I also don't have quite [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► enough faith to believe that he is going to bend in the way that you would want [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► him to bend like Steve Jobs pig-headed stubborn and obnoxious but the best [TS]

01:10:53 ◼   ► thing like that says that you know he defined that practically in the CEO [TS]

01:10:56 ◼   ► space and yet he was able to be argued down into doing in iTunes on Windows [TS]

01:11:01 ◼   ► being pissy about it and everything but the fact that he was able to allow that [TS]

01:11:05 ◼   ► to happen [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► speaks volumes like because you know if if the stereotype of steve Jobs was [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► actually true there's no way that happen that would have been a terrible mistake [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► so I don't know if Sandusky is the type of guy who is gonna be bold to have [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► great ideas like and power through but no when like all the other smart people [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► you surround yourself are you arguing against you that sometimes you should [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► give in maine uski I don't know him well enough you know I'm just trying I was [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► trying to pick somebody from within Microsoft and even though Sinofsky is no [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► longer within Microsoft I think if they named him as CEO be seen sort of as an [TS]

01:11:40 ◼   ► internal you know it would be a repudiate a big repudiation of bomber [TS]

01:11:45 ◼   ► about the the all the guys that with the carrier project that they can career and [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► then that teams that have spread to the four winds who is that there was J [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► Allard JJJ is just the letter j I went to school with him so I can imagine [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► somebody went to school with Microsoft's I'm coming off list Robbie Bach yeah [TS]

01:12:08 ◼   ► that's what I was thinking of like so if if the vision is Microsoft is like going [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► to be remade as a consumer electronic services company that makes devices and [TS]

01:12:17 ◼   ► hardware and software that's division which Ballmer articulated the board [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► agrees that Microsoft you going to sort of be kind of like a plan that way [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► pulling somebody from the side of Microsoft there was always on the [TS]

01:12:30 ◼   ► consumer electronics that like the Xbox guys around the block was involved Xbox [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► I believe in career in about that stuff those if this is what you are Microsoft [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► to be in the future [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► those guys might be some place to look because that was always their passion [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► was always to pull Microsoft in that direction NJ lard and those guys you [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► know brought the plan to Bill Gates said why doesn't my game console and were [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► able to make that happen within Microsoft shows that they have some [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► ability to navigate the political dangers of the company and make things [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► happen and they were doing the career thing and you know got Canada knows it [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► was any good or not but like their instincts are in that direction so if [TS]

01:13:04 ◼   ► you want to do that and pulled it off without having it called you know [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► windows game platform certified 2000 and without a winning kind of a mean I guess [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► Xbox has always almost certain it has always run with the windows and T [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► colonel and that you know programming games for the Xbox was always been a [TS]

01:13:28 ◼   ► part of the appeal is supposedly that it was a lot like writing Windows PC games [TS]

01:13:33 ◼   ► Xbox direct access their 3d right but that it's you know it from a consumer [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► standpoint of branding standpoint and a user interface standpoint that no legacy [TS]

01:13:43 ◼   ► whatsoever it was just this is what a game platform should look like [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► crapping on the Xbox like that product line in terms like it you know if you [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► look at over its entire life I believe it is your money losing money I would [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► write downs for their hardware problems with the red ring of death and like the [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► beginning the Xbox really expensive to make whatever but I always come back to [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► it as that that should be held up as a success [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► financially maybe not but like they entered a very difficult market with you [TS]

01:14:11 ◼   ► know fierce competitors an established market and we're able to make a name for [TS]

01:14:16 ◼   ► himself that now they are always a serious contender to be number one any [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► console generation and the value of that may be diminishing but it shows that [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► Microsoft like it's it's it's like Microsoft did something right they you [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► know kind of sort of with fumbles or whatever but there are so many people [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► who would never even think of entering the market is like a bunch of sharks in [TS]

01:14:34 ◼   ► their right and Microsoft did it and succeeded in taking us to their credit [TS]

01:14:38 ◼   ► yeah and I think that you know it's like they could have one of the ways that [TS]

01:14:46 ◼   ► that come the day that the iPhone shipped in 2007 and had the do what they [TS]

01:14:51 ◼   ► should have had the hell we gonna do [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► moment that that team could have proposed something called like expand [TS]

01:14:58 ◼   ► and pasted on the Xbox branding and say look why don't we make something [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► you know gaming type thing and we can also you know they couldn't depart like [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► the portable gaming space has been a real thing for a long time Sony reported [TS]

01:15:14 ◼   ► to the Game Boy right so the next logical step for Microsoft you know say [TS]

01:15:19 ◼   ► we are now established player in the in the console space why don't we also make [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► a handheld and that like to limit of Microsoft's corporate tolerance for [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► strategy tax type thing like woe is gonna be anything portable your hands [TS]

01:15:32 ◼   ► it's gonna play xbox games it's going to be named whatever the group is working [TS]

01:15:36 ◼   ► on Microsoft's current tablet edition right and that one gets killed by this [TS]

01:15:40 ◼   ► tragedy acts like I we let you do this Xbox thing without having the Windows [TS]

01:15:43 ◼   ► logo pop up and stuff like that but there's no way in hell you're making [TS]

01:15:46 ◼   ► like the Microsoft Game Boy because the phone group doesn't like it and then [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► it's all scratchy tax thing and you know that's why the Xbox moment was like kind [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► of amazing that they were able to get that product but like the therapist that [TS]

01:15:59 ◼   ► was like to limit is losing money you're in no position to dictate the portable [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► everyone knows intend to you know market sewn up anyway so forget it and so they [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► never did make the Microsoft Game Boy and yeah and it's it speaks to the [TS]

01:16:14 ◼   ► credibility of the Xbox though in like you said like that it should be seen as [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► a long-term success that it would such a thing would have had instant credibility [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► at this point like if if the Xbox was spun off as a separate company just [TS]

01:16:27 ◼   ► completely cleanly separated people would still say come you know the next [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► generation of game consoles and you know eight years or something if there is a [TS]

01:16:36 ◼   ► next generation of game consoles they would be talking about them is like you [TS]

01:16:40 ◼   ► know people don't watch company worth listening to [TS]

01:16:44 ◼   ► yeah I'll go to go to the big announcement that they've scheduled for [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► now it's not totally like was there are so few sites like the personal computer [TS]

01:16:50 ◼   ► operating you know how many how many people have you had a company announced [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► said you know I'm gonna get into personal computer operating system you [TS]

01:16:58 ◼   ► gonna do what that's crazy and it seems like the same thing with the game so [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► long to make a game console it's a platform who wants to make a platform [TS]

01:17:04 ◼   ► like rim to its credit made another platform which was unheard of [TS]

01:17:09 ◼   ► practically mean they did not in the PC space but they said we're going to make [TS]

01:17:12 ◼   ► a new platform [TS]

01:17:13 ◼   ► and that that is so unprecedented so rare to happen and so difficult to do [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► that was down the tubes but they did it you know you talk about the bb10 yeah I [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► know their their messaging service like they it was a platform and it's so hard [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► to make those and to make them succeed even if even if only fleetingly yeah one [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► last any other names wanna toss out as a possible CEO executives my gut feeling [TS]

01:17:52 ◼   ► is it's gonna be somebody like someone from inside out Microsoft like you just [TS]

01:17:59 ◼   ► go down the corporate ladder microscopic four of the eight hundred vice president [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► and say the thing is there could be untapped talent inside Microsoft I don't [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► want to put that video I could I don't know maybe the best case scenario for [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► the for them to its like you need the right guy like you know that's the [TS]

01:18:14 ◼   ► that's the key decision you don't talk about the optics before like a house is [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► gonna look in the present who is one of the stock price for all that is going to [TS]

01:18:21 ◼   ► have to deal with whatever happens that you've just got to find the right person [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► at the right person is a Microsoft outside Microsoft fine whatever you do [TS]

01:18:29 ◼   ► get the right person and don't worry about what's going to happen the day you [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► announce it because that is who cares somebody who you know and and Microsoft [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► has to be Microsoft you know they can't be the never gonna win if they try to be [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► apple or anybody else or Google I would say this I would say in mobile I would [TS]

01:18:51 ◼   ► say maybe just maybe the last point about Ballmer Microsoft is that maybe [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► the iPhone is almost not irrelevant but is not the thing people should look at [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► as the main failing of Microsoft in mobile I would say the two companies [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► that show what a failure [TS]

01:19:08 ◼   ► microsoft has been in mobile are rim and Android separate from google but that [TS]

01:19:16 ◼   ► RIM's long-term success I mean the whole bread-and-butter [TS]

01:19:20 ◼   ► of ram through their heyday was in corporate market I mean it was a long [TS]

01:19:25 ◼   ► time before they became a consumer brand that RIM's days as a consumer success we [TS]

01:19:31 ◼   ► were pretty fleeting but they spent a long time as a big success and I T that [TS]

01:19:37 ◼   ► market should have been Microsoft us they'd the fact that they let him become [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► the defacto corporate mobile OS should have been seen as a failure very early [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► and I think that if they had if they had somehow if if Windows Mobile crummy as [TS]

01:19:54 ◼   ► it was taste was had been the success that RIM was all along I they'd be in I [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► don't think I think Microsoft would add something the parlay off a lot sooner [TS]

01:20:06 ◼   ► and maybe in much better position today even in the consumer market that was [TS]

01:20:10 ◼   ► classic alone disruption because Microsoft had you know had a smartphone [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► platform but Microsoft like when we feel the smartphone platform it's going to be [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► you know like windows on the phone is gonna be Windows CE Windows consumer [TS]

01:20:21 ◼   ► edition it's going you know the whole nine yards right where his Blackberry [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► unconstrained by that kind of attitude of like well it has to be for Windows [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► they gave you basically a picture that you could type on exactly that was [TS]

01:20:32 ◼   ► ramped up from Pepe Dougan type on making windows on a phone if you see [TS]

01:20:37 ◼   ► nothing in the fridge and smartphones killing one megabyte around you can run [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► the stylist right and if we don't care about the pager with a keyboard and [TS]

01:20:46 ◼   ► destruction that page with a keyboard or smarter and bigger and better and you [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► know the servers were attached to it and like it when it was just paid with the [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► keyboard the utility of being able to just tap out emails on your little page [TS]

01:20:56 ◼   ► with the keyboard thing with unbelievable and it was easy to use [TS]

01:21:00 ◼   ► you know you could function it was designed to use you could use it for [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► immediately and that that's what made blackberry and Microsoft was too tied up [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► in thinking we have to ship you an entire PC in your hand which they were [TS]

01:21:11 ◼   ► made to do yet as bbm is always sort of like a half way between email textin and [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► it was exactly you know the exact thing that the technology of the times was [TS]

01:21:25 ◼   ► optimal for the technology of the times [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► targeted the people who needed to be able to basically [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► from anywhere in the world and had the money to pay for you know paid paid [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► relatively large monthly fees and then I say Android because clearly you know it [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► it's Android not the iPhone that is now where Microsoft thought it was going to [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► be you know and who asked that OM's make device you know like what Windows was i [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► mean a lot of people pointed this out that in broad terms you know maybe the [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► percent you know certainly the percentages of market share are [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► different but in broad terms it's almost uncanny how much Android is to mobile [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► what Windows was to PCs in iOS and you know the iPhone are two mobile what the [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► Mac and Mac OS word PCs but like you can can you blame myself for not doing and [TS]

01:22:15 ◼   ► read it though because Microsoft must be looking at entering saying they're [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► they're doing what we do except for the part where you collect the money they [TS]

01:22:23 ◼   ► gave it away that everybody right and like and that works with Google's [TS]

01:22:27 ◼   ► business because their business was get people on the internet get them to [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► Google searches collect personal information is there an advertising [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► company to Microsoft in have their business model and so it's like how [TS]

01:22:37 ◼   ► could you compete with Android Android Android you had to get their first which [TS]

01:22:40 ◼   ► Microsoft was so they could on that but once and rented out the door it's like [TS]

01:22:43 ◼   ► so that we could be subsidized this with our like exchange licenses do we become [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► an advertising company because it was so hard for them to go to the OEM and say [TS]

01:22:52 ◼   ► you should make Windows Phones for a while they could use their licensing [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► terms for the Windows operating system for PCs as leverage but that starts to [TS]

01:22:59 ◼   ► fade in power and it's a tough competitor because they had skills and [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► take it away for free [TS]

01:23:06 ◼   ► may be the only chance they had and it is true and and and it's part of what [TS]

01:23:12 ◼   ► makes Google search in [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► difficult competitor in any marketing gets into because they you know give [TS]

01:23:20 ◼   ► everything away and subsidized through advertising that they're very very good [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► at monetizing you know and you know very small pennies you know pennies pennies [TS]

01:23:32 ◼   ► per view [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► multiplied by a very large number ends up being you know billions of dollars [TS]

01:23:38 ◼   ► but I think Microsoft opportunity was to have Windows Mobile be way better than [TS]

01:23:47 ◼   ► what Android was sooner because the first few years of Android after it [TS]

01:23:51 ◼   ► shipped it was really bad i mean it got its gotten a lot better [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► very quickly but like you know 2009 2010 Android was really really crummy system [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► and maybe there was an opportunity there where to look you you know your [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► competitors maybe make might be paying zero dollars to school for Android but [TS]

01:24:12 ◼   ► you can pay us $10 for a license for Windows Mobile and your phone is gonna [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► look a lot better in the cell phones and they did that for a while they had a lot [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► of people making Windows Mobile phones and sometimes they're also making [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► Android phones are making Windows Mobile phones instead of and they go to like [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► the big name people they're like oh you should make a Windows Mobile phone [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► because your your brand name and let those other random you know Asian [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► manufacturers making it was like the product offering it was maybe better [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► ahead of a Microsoft name and everything but it wasn't better better enough right [TS]

01:24:43 ◼   ► and I think it was you know and for example I mean to me this is the biggest [TS]

01:24:46 ◼   ► tell is that it's HTC is the perfect example 'cause at one point HTC was by [TS]

01:24:52 ◼   ► far the world's biggest windows phone maker forget what percentage of Windows [TS]

01:24:57 ◼   ► Phones for HTC but I think it was like a majority share like at least 50% of all [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► Windows phones were HTC may be a lot higher and you know clearly now it's I [TS]

01:25:09 ◼   ► don't think I guess HTC may be tried making one Windows 8 Phone or something [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► like that but almost everything HTC cells Android HTC is a cautionary tale [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► like this is what happens when you listen to the siren song of Microsoft [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► and try to get on board with their windows thing it distracts you and by [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► the time like now they're kind of like recovering and having the HTC One is an [TS]

01:25:29 ◼   ► amazing phone that should the few people who like should be doing better than it [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► is for you spent all that time off with Microsoft and while you were doing that [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► you know Samsung Cain became the name and face of good Android phones and [TS]

01:25:42 ◼   ► despite the fact that you now have a great phone the HTC One you know Samsung [TS]

01:25:47 ◼   ► people associate the name Galaxy Tab product like windows loans we would do [TS]

01:25:56 ◼   ► you know maybe we could be simpson yeah maybe I'll let me deal a sponsor reagan [TS]

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01:29:10 ◼   ► video games so I III wrote a big piece today based on that was funny I didn't [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► plan on it somebody's on Twitter said the reason that I stirred up so much by [TS]

01:29:19 ◼   ► saying that [TS]

01:29:20 ◼   ► ten Doeschate make I get to line linked list entry it said they should have [TS]

01:29:24 ◼   ► given him a guileless games when they announced the new to des last week and I [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► got so I got great feedback from it I don't mean it in terms of dummies [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► shouldn't send me feedback it was great I mean I can't believe how much [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► interesting stuff came out of it to send peace they wrote but I had a lot more to [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► say about it today repeated here all assume everybody is listened is as read [TS]

01:29:46 ◼   ► it but but the gist of it is I stand by I think I think Nintendo is screwed at [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► least inspector may be especially in here and I think that they should [TS]

01:29:55 ◼   ► seriously consider me games even if that [TS]

01:29:55 ◼   ► seriously consider me games even if that [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► means that the company is going to shrink in in uncomfortable ways think [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► you probably got a lot of crap about it there's the obvious reason is that like [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► normally I mean you said yourself you're not a gamer and did you read about game [TS]

01:30:14 ◼   ► technology occasionally but most your be just like you know personal computers [TS]

01:30:17 ◼   ► mobile phone stuff like that so the people who are you know inside that [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► circle gonna say this guy doesn't have doesn't know the history doesn't have [TS]

01:30:26 ◼   ► the depth of background personal experience to comment [TS]

01:30:30 ◼   ► knowingly on this topic see a crap from those described exactly and the flip [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► side of that is that when you are inside that circle it's very easy to you know [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► have preconceived notions about one in 10 that was and how they have to behave [TS]

01:30:45 ◼   ► and sometimes it's the people who are outside that is assuming that you know [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► that there are no smart people they can give you a view of the you're not [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► willing to accept because it goes against you know central tenets of your [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► belief system from being a gamer for the past 20 years or whatever so it's always [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► important than 20 outside guy says something crazy maybe he's wrong but it [TS]

01:31:04 ◼   ► doesn't have the background know about it but the other hand maybe you can't [TS]

01:31:07 ◼   ► conceive of that possibility because because it just it runs counter to [TS]

01:31:12 ◼   ► everything you've felt about Nintendo for the past you know thirty years of [TS]

01:31:16 ◼   ► your life or whatever I agree with you there and I you know and I'll just say [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► this if I end up being proven wrong and have to eat my hat on this 1 I'll be [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► happy like let's say ten years from now [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► Nintendo still has never made a game for anything but their own systems and they [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► have a successful handheld platform minutes till a successful plugging their [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► TV platform the great news I would be doubt be delighted and I'm sure that [TS]

01:31:41 ◼   ► would be good news for the gaming industry and for people who like to play [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► games interest fans of longtime fans of Nintendo's franchises great I'm I will [TS]

01:31:50 ◼   ► be happy to be proven wrong I just don't think so and to me you know the [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► comparison and its uncomfortable but I do think that there in a similar [TS]

01:31:59 ◼   ► situation to her room was 56 years ago [TS]

01:32:05 ◼   ► insofar as that they're unable to compete as computer makers with [TS]

01:32:12 ◼   ► you know I S and and to a lesser degree you know Android kernel there's a kernel [TS]

01:32:20 ◼   ► of something in there that you're on the right track about but in that duality [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► and again I'm being very cognizant to think you know try to think outside the [TS]

01:32:28 ◼   ► box not accept you know the the accepted narrative of the game industry because I [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► consider myself and someone who is deeply entrenched in that world but I i [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► think you are missing a lot of things about Nintendo and that's why you're [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► getting a lot of crap because because you're you're like you're off your beard [TS]

01:32:44 ◼   ► off in the wrong direction that the kernel the kernel of truth that you have [TS]

01:32:47 ◼   ► here is what you're getting out there like that you see you see competitors [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► taking the attention and time and money that used to be nintendo's and you're [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► thinking intended doesn't have what it takes to match up with those competitors [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► right like that you see like that people applying I was games people doing this [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► what can intend oh you know can attend to compete with that on that on those [TS]

01:33:14 ◼   ► terms and it's like well no they can't have a blackberry curve that could make [TS]

01:33:17 ◼   ► iPhone caliber hardware and software because that's what was going to take to [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► stay on the phone businesses like alright here's the iPhone Blackberry and [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► they just bring up these phones that were not not iPhone caliber the hardware [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► or the software I can sticking with the hardware keyboard is like no blackberry [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► that's not the bar the minimum entry prices like Windows Phone right Windows [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► Phone seven and eight like that is a valid entry in the field and read it [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► here but you are putting out is not you're not competing and it's like well [TS]

01:33:46 ◼   ► you know blackberry you know RIM BlackBerry the company couldn't do that [TS]

01:33:50 ◼   ► they you know they didn't they made it in have time to people they were too [TS]

01:33:55 ◼   ► late whenever they just just couldn't get it together and you know that and so [TS]

01:33:58 ◼   ► that's what you're saying about about intend to but you suggested remedies are [TS]

01:34:01 ◼   ► not good not good at all because you know when you get right as the Nintendo [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► has problems right thing we all agree that Nintendo is in a terrible spot but [TS]

01:34:14 ◼   ► they're not doing well like they're not certainly coming down off the high of [TS]

01:34:17 ◼   ► the week [TS]

01:34:17 ◼   ► as well as well that so I think those are those into two parts that underneath [TS]

01:34:22 ◼   ► it all that you kind of getting right you can recognize drinking a technology [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► with the rest of the details I think you're off well and when they didn't [TS]

01:34:29 ◼   ► even get into in this is where I maybe it's even maybe I should have cuz I [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► think maybe it's even harder problem is I think going forward to remain [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► competitive both handheld and on console I feel like the ever growing complexity [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► of things there that the competitors there against are such that they need a [TS]

01:34:53 ◼   ► better operating system and like developer system and that you know that [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► there you know I think by all reports that they they really have like a [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► criminal ones like they can't they still don't think that they can do like [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► patches two games once they've been release is really get into trouble I am [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► I wrong [TS]

01:35:14 ◼   ► downloadable content that here's what I think contenders problems I feel like I [TS]

01:35:18 ◼   ► said there is there is there is a core issue here right now here's here's how I [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► would define tennis problems this the first question yet asked about his [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► problems is there a future for game only or sort of game mostly hardware devices [TS]

01:35:32 ◼   ► that something something that you buy that mostly plays games maybe to stream [TS]

01:35:36 ◼   ► video of things whatever is there a market for you know currently or in the [TS]

01:35:42 ◼   ► future so what's your answer my answer is yes but it's shrinking so fast that [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► it doesn't remain that market doesn't remain big enough to sustain Nintendo so [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► the I think the question this is like I think it's still an open question and I [TS]

01:36:02 ◼   ► think the upcoming TV console generation Xbox and PlayStation 4 will give us a [TS]

01:36:08 ◼   ► really important data point if they sell and radically lower numbers than than [TS]

01:36:13 ◼   ► expected like than the previous generation of consoles did them know [TS]

01:36:17 ◼   ► that the market for you know sort of game machines things that pretty much [TS]

01:36:21 ◼   ► mostly do games despite the fact that both the Xbox and PlayStation 4 also you [TS]

01:36:25 ◼   ► know to Netflix and all these other things [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► you know if they don't sell in high numbers then we'll know that what you [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► just said it's like that now is that time that is shrinking and that it's [TS]

01:36:34 ◼   ► only a matter of time before it goes away if on the other hand they sell in [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► the expected numbers and they sell huge numbers on the alright well apparently [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► there is still a market for gaming devices we don't know how long the [TS]

01:36:47 ◼   ► market's going around but nobody knows who I am but like it hasn't gone away [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► let me to revise and say for one that you plug into your TV in your home [TS]

01:36:55 ◼   ► entertainment system [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► non portables non mobile and let me say I don't know and I'll let me plead [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► ignorance and say that I'm so far out of it that I really don't know but maybe [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► because I can imagine that as you know as computing power grows you can do more [TS]

01:37:11 ◼   ► and more amazing stuff and that one that's primarily centered on games is [TS]

01:37:15 ◼   ► bull remain unbeatable and that people have historically consumers have [TS]

01:37:20 ◼   ► historically been willing to plug numerous things into their TV there's a [TS]

01:37:24 ◼   ► limit and people get annoyed when you reach a certain limit but people love [TS]

01:37:28 ◼   ► you know for decades now have had like a cable box and a DVD player and the game [TS]

01:37:34 ◼   ► machine you know and/or you know some kind of a streaming box like an Apple TV [TS]

01:37:40 ◼   ► iraqi or something like that so there's a history of that and TVs are made for [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► it with multiple HDMI ports and it's not that painful to have one more box and so [TS]

01:37:49 ◼   ► I say maybe if not probably plugged into the TV but for Mobile or handheld [TS]

01:37:55 ◼   ► devices I think the answer is No [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► well I think the question is like I don't think you can separate those too [TS]

01:38:03 ◼   ► busy you saying that there is a market that your TV and there isn't fair and [TS]

01:38:07 ◼   ► help if what you say about hand-held this true there's no reason that that [TS]

01:38:12 ◼   ► same technology couldn't come and displace the television attached to you [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► don't feel like we're already at the point where the high-end iPad has like [TS]

01:38:20 ◼   ► you know previous generation game console caliber power close to it anyway [TS]

01:38:24 ◼   ► right because the iPad as small as it is physically as more pixels than your TV [TS]

01:38:28 ◼   ► you know but even just the you know the GPU itself as if you had a run 1080p [TS]

01:38:32 ◼   ► like if if what you say is true that the the market for handheld gaming hardware [TS]

01:38:36 ◼   ► doesn't exist [TS]

01:38:37 ◼   ► then I think the power we already have in our phones like it's only a short [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► distance to say that why can't something similarly small portable also be your [TS]

01:38:46 ◼   ► television gaming device or in addition to your television game device like I [TS]

01:38:52 ◼   ► don't know because separate them because it's like the only difference between [TS]

01:38:55 ◼   ► hand-held and attach your TV is one of like time it's like the technology that [TS]

01:38:59 ◼   ► used to be required [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► big-box hatcher television with the fan now can fit in your phone and that just [TS]

01:39:04 ◼   ► that would continue apace right that's why I think the key question is is there [TS]

01:39:09 ◼   ► a market for any kind of game only a game mostly demise and I think for now [TS]

01:39:14 ◼   ► for this generation I predicted the Xmas wanna ps4 will sell any reasonable [TS]

01:39:19 ◼   ► numbers at the time of the game only again Wilson device is not over and the [TS]

01:39:23 ◼   ► reason I think this is a very extremely relevant question at endo is because I [TS]

01:39:26 ◼   ► don't think Nintendo has what it takes to feel the device that is not a game [TS]

01:39:29 ◼   ► only a game mostly device they are can't make it personal computing platform they [TS]

01:39:34 ◼   ► can't make it a platform they're not going to be with Android they're not [TS]

01:39:37 ◼   ► going to compete with with iOS or even Windows Mobile I don't think the company [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► has it in them to sell a device that's a general-purpose office again said who [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► makes a software platform how often does that even happened that you make a [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► successful platform that is not when intend to resign to do they can't [TS]

01:39:52 ◼   ► compete in that market if that's where the market is going that is more or less [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► the end of the line for Nintendo as we know it as a company and they could go [TS]

01:39:59 ◼   ► on to become just a software company do all the things you talked about it [TS]

01:40:02 ◼   ► whatever but that is the line I would draw and I don't think that right now is [TS]

01:40:06 ◼   ► that line I don't think that you can say that [TS]

01:40:09 ◼   ► know that time is over there is no more market for gaming devices and tend to [TS]

01:40:13 ◼   ► your only choice is to become a different kind of company and that's [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► that's where I part ways with your suggested solution of them trying out I [TS]

01:40:19 ◼   ► was game I see I see it mostly I don't see that you might be right about the [TS]

01:40:25 ◼   ► fact that the if anything is going to end the day the demand for console is [TS]

01:40:33 ◼   ► canceled the right word for the ones you plug in ya during his game game only [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► artwork that you play by play games and stream video it is not [TS]

01:40:43 ◼   ► apps the problem I see for them is more specific I see it more clearly and it is [TS]

01:40:51 ◼   ► a lot of ways and it was hard for me to write the article because I didn't want [TS]

01:40:54 ◼   ► to say I have a gut feeling I I tried to justify it is logically as I could and I [TS]

01:40:58 ◼   ► stand behind it but to me I see it and I certainly feel it more viscerally with [TS]

01:41:04 ◼   ► the the handhelds with the 3ds and purses iPhones and Android phones and [TS]

01:41:12 ◼   ► number one I don't think they could even make an iPod Touch caliber device and if [TS]

01:41:19 ◼   ► they did I don't think that they could make it a cheap enough price and they're [TS]

01:41:24 ◼   ► competing and this is the part where they're almost screwed it's not even [TS]

01:41:26 ◼   ► fair which is that they're competing against the iPhone and galaxies and [TS]

01:41:33 ◼   ► other high-end Android phones which are subsidized in so many markets around the [TS]

01:41:38 ◼   ► world and you know complaining about how subsidized phone you still end up paying [TS]

01:41:43 ◼   ► as much or more over the longer the fact is most people think and I found a brand [TS]

01:41:48 ◼   ► new iPhone 5 costs $199 and you know it doesn't actually but how can they [TS]

01:41:53 ◼   ► compete with that when it's in fact you know as $700 gadget yes I think you're [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► off on this comparison as well because I mean it gets back to the room thing we [TS]

01:42:04 ◼   ► are saying they like rim was the you know sticking with the hardware keyboard [TS]

01:42:08 ◼   ► and making the hardware and they just couldn't compete which was true in the [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► smartphone face space but that the key difference between you know what you're [TS]

01:42:16 ◼   ► describing and what happens when everything is that right now I just [TS]

01:42:20 ◼   ► can't make an iPhone caliber piece of hardware when rimless you know circling [TS]

01:42:29 ◼   ► the drain the devices they were putting out gave inferior experiences if you [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► bought an iPhone and you but whatever the bike thing rumors floating as their [TS]

01:42:37 ◼   ► top of the line touch type thing like the iPhone was better to use it was [TS]

01:42:41 ◼   ► nicer you had access to better apps there are more fun to use it was easier [TS]

01:42:45 ◼   ► everything about it was better if you give a kid and iPod touch and a [TS]

01:42:52 ◼   ► significantly cheaper Nintendo 3ds their intended to des delivered [TS]

01:42:55 ◼   ► a far superior gaming experience than the iPod Touch like I kinda disagree [TS]

01:43:02 ◼   ► with that totally superior gaming experience for all but the all but the [TS]

01:43:06 ◼   ► very very most casual games Angry Birds cut the rope stuff like that it is the [TS]

01:43:12 ◼   ► intent handled gives the is more valuable that's why the games can [TS]

01:43:16 ◼   ► command a higher price because they're more valuable to people who really [TS]

01:43:19 ◼   ► really love games love Nintendo handheld if you disagree you like games you would [TS]

01:43:25 ◼   ► like to know help better than an iPod Touch and in the same way the people who [TS]

01:43:28 ◼   ► are gaga for smartphones and love smartphones love the iPhone they did not [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► know that RIM became start location and I think you're judging criteria like [TS]

01:43:37 ◼   ► rena screens it it's meaningless on Nintendo's handheld [TS]

01:43:42 ◼   ► disagree with you there I guess they're not displaying text and it's not it's [TS]

01:43:51 ◼   ► definitely not better at all things and i co-wrote there's certainly some games [TS]

01:43:55 ◼   ► where you wanna D patton buttons no doubt about it and those are you know [TS]

01:43:58 ◼   ► traditionally nintendo's bread-and-butter games because they've [TS]

01:44:01 ◼   ► built the game specifically for the hardware and again I'm not advising the [TS]

01:44:06 ◼   ► day just take the existing games and put a virtual keypad on iOS and call it a [TS]

01:44:11 ◼   ► day I think you know if they're going to do it they've gotta make games that are [TS]

01:44:14 ◼   ► meant to be run I was but the same the weather was a few things though their [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► BlackBerry was and maybe even today is still better at Iowa State are very few [TS]

01:44:23 ◼   ► but its specific to messaging like going through email and I remember one time [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► years ago i dont know is probably back in 2008 and I think it was one of the [TS]

01:44:32 ◼   ► reasons that it it it was sort of grist for MyWi room is screwed post I remember [TS]

01:44:38 ◼   ► getting picked up at the airport and San Francisco with my friend Jason Hoffman [TS]

01:44:46 ◼   ► who used to work he's still there [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► join and it was a bike or incidents like we were both I think so maybe [TS]

01:44:54 ◼   ► misremembered the details but I was in San Francisco me probably for an Apple [TS]

01:44:57 ◼   ► event [TS]

01:44:58 ◼   ► and he was arriving from somewhere and a mutual friend picked us both up and I [TS]

01:45:02 ◼   ► was in a car with him and he had heard he was one of the guys with the time had [TS]

01:45:06 ◼   ► a Blackberry and I was a little surprised back from us Thanks [TS]

01:45:11 ◼   ► and he used the BlackBerry just freemen and I he gave me and it in the car like [TS]

01:45:16 ◼   ► a big demo of you here's why he was so efficient it was so amazingly quick to [TS]

01:45:21 ◼   ► go message the message the message and pick up a return that he could get [TS]

01:45:24 ◼   ► through here had like a long flight and it was in the area when I was a lot [TS]

01:45:29 ◼   ► harder time maybe they weren't even over wifi flights at the time but he didn't [TS]

01:45:33 ◼   ► have wifi so we had like a whole days worth of email and went through them [TS]

01:45:37 ◼   ► boom boom boom boom boom in a way that you would be a lot slower and less [TS]

01:45:42 ◼   ► efficient and as I said is pretty interesting and in his career he gives [TS]

01:45:45 ◼   ► his conclusions yet rooms toilets group that I bet they're out of business two [TS]

01:45:49 ◼   ► years that he used the thing and enjoyed it but completely recognize why they [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► were totally screw all the hardware software keyboard difference i think is [TS]

01:45:58 ◼   ► another one another instructive on because I think they know they seem [TS]

01:46:01 ◼   ► somewhat like a Nintendo ya know you got hardware controls now but that's the [TS]

01:46:04 ◼   ► passcode come two touchdowns but there it's not a big thing with the comparison [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► with blackberry though is that they had the hardware for like going up and down [TS]

01:46:12 ◼   ► in your messages which is way better than any way to get from message the [TS]

01:46:15 ◼   ► message in Iowa still well I was like more of the harbour keeper because that [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► was the thing that people like I can type in this offer keyboard but it's [TS]

01:46:22 ◼   ► it's so different then touch controls for gaming vs like buttons and deep ads [TS]

01:46:27 ◼   ► and stuff because like with the heart of a software keyboard it was the same [TS]

01:46:32 ◼   ► number buttons and they were advantages to the software keyboard the harbor and [TS]

01:46:35 ◼   ► couldn't match like you could reconfigure this offer keyboard you can [TS]

01:46:37 ◼   ► do predictive hit areas but you couldn't do with the hardware keyboard buttons [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► can get bigger biznews knows that the next likely character is probably not [TS]

01:46:44 ◼   ► are right it does offer keyboard has advantages that so it was like a [TS]

01:46:47 ◼   ► superset was like everyone our bookkeeper can do it all the same [TS]

01:46:50 ◼   ► buttons and also we can do things that you can do and he gets out of your way [TS]

01:46:54 ◼   ► when when you don't touch versus hardware buttons on on gaming devices [TS]

01:46:58 ◼   ► such only has an advantage in a narrow band of games like Angry Birds or cut [TS]

01:47:03 ◼   ► the rope or any kind of touch type games but it has massive sort of exclusion [TS]

01:47:07 ◼   ► exclusionary disadvantages and different kind of games like you can't make a [TS]

01:47:12 ◼   ► whole class of very popular games that people like to play if your fingers on [TS]

01:47:16 ◼   ► the screen right true and so it's like it's hot it's not like this is exactly [TS]

01:47:22 ◼   ► the killing you got shoulder buttons you got face fines go deep and it's just [TS]

01:47:25 ◼   ► that now they're all software nevermind that that would be terrible to use as [TS]

01:47:28 ◼   ► well as you know from trying to keep things it's not a superset it is really [TS]

01:47:34 ◼   ► really narrowly defined and it enters you into a certain area game in the [TS]

01:47:38 ◼   ► question is like maybe that is the old way on know that's the old way when [TS]

01:47:42 ◼   ► people stop one play games that require those controls so you're watching you [TS]

01:47:45 ◼   ► watching who who's who's gonna buy these things so they selling 3ds is are they [TS]

01:47:49 ◼   ► selling are they going to sell two DS's are they selling game only Harbor people [TS]

01:47:52 ◼   ► buying consoles that's how you'll know when it's a problem that's why I think [TS]

01:47:57 ◼   ► it's already a problem that the numbers that Lucas Matthysse cited his response [TS]

01:48:01 ◼   ► to me that had the 3ds is selling ok it was a hundred and thirty months or weeks [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► in I guess week's end you know which is a decent measure you know like two and a [TS]

01:48:12 ◼   ► half years that the last generation Das was at 43 million in the 3ds is only at [TS]

01:48:18 ◼   ► thirty-three million to its 23 percent down generation to generation and it [TS]

01:48:22 ◼   ► just happens to coincide with the the rise of modern smartphones I think [TS]

01:48:29 ◼   ► that's not I think that's the cause I don't think it's anything specific to [TS]

01:48:32 ◼   ► the 3ds I think it's the fact that it's it's an era of the smartphone over it [TS]

01:48:37 ◼   ► gets back to the idea of mike is the game all the hardware is there something [TS]

01:48:41 ◼   ► that still gonna do it to beat you still just wanna buy it and i also know I know [TS]

01:48:45 ◼   ► you know we've owned a bunch of 50 Nintendo hardware lot of Nintendo [TS]

01:48:49 ◼   ► hardware over the years never been a serious gamer although I was younger I [TS]

01:48:53 ◼   ► played a lot more but [TS]

01:48:54 ◼   ► you know and I know that Nintendo has a cultural explicit cultural policy of [TS]

01:49:00 ◼   ► embracing older lesser cheaper technology you know and the Gameboy [TS]

01:49:08 ◼   ► famously didn't have a color screen until years after other competing ones [TS]

01:49:13 ◼   ► did out sold them all and that you know the Wii famously was was you know like I [TS]

01:49:19 ◼   ► wrote to David standard death i mean you know it's almost ridiculous that it [TS]

01:49:23 ◼   ► wasn't I death and you know outsold the unit share basis PlayStation and Xbox [TS]

01:49:27 ◼   ► but I think the big difference that they're facing again smartphones [TS]

01:49:32 ◼   ► technically is that with the smartphones it's about you're asking me to carry a [TS]

01:49:38 ◼   ► second device that their their policy of having lesser technology works for them [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► when it was will you buy our thing that's cheaper and more fun even though [TS]

01:49:49 ◼   ► its last technically advanced or the other guys thing which is more [TS]

01:49:54 ◼   ► technically advanced but but not it maybe not as fun I think that's going to [TS]

01:49:58 ◼   ► protect them and handled though because and handheld gaming like kids don't have [TS]

01:50:03 ◼   ► smartphones like him in that I guess at a certain age they do maybe middle [TS]

01:50:06 ◼   ► school high school or whatever but younger kids still play games and that's [TS]

01:50:12 ◼   ► that's a market that may be protected from smartphone infiltration for a while [TS]

01:50:15 ◼   ► anyway because people are going to give their kids but they will give them a [TS]

01:50:19 ◼   ► Nintendo 3ds for Christmas yeah but I you know and and this is a lot of it is [TS]

01:50:22 ◼   ► very very small sample size non-scientific polling based on fact [TS]

01:50:26 ◼   ► that I have a nine year old son but he has a sample size of one has both the [TS]

01:50:32 ◼   ► 3ds and [TS]

01:50:34 ◼   ► I France and he does play the 3ds but he plays the iPhone more and if it's like [TS]

01:50:42 ◼   ► hey we're going out to dinner you can take something he takes in this is not [TS]

01:50:45 ◼   ► you know not by me pushing him I'm certainly no in fact I almost wish he [TS]

01:50:50 ◼   ► played the 3ds morals feeling you know maybe we haven't got our money's worth [TS]

01:50:54 ◼   ► out of it and he plays it but I just seems to me like it when push comes to [TS]

01:50:58 ◼   ► shove help take the iPhone and it's hard I try to ask him about it and you know [TS]

01:51:04 ◼   ► it's only nine so it's hard to sort of it's hard for him to explain his choices [TS]

01:51:09 ◼   ► but definitely part of it is that when you take your iPhone with you you take [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► all your games with you and maybe none of the games are as fun as the best game [TS]

01:51:17 ◼   ► for the 3ds but you've got them all and you can never lose cartridge he's only [TS]

01:51:23 ◼   ► lost one 3ds cartridge which i think is pretty good for a night but he's never [TS]

01:51:28 ◼   ► lost an iOS game so this is like he wants to take all of his 3ds games with [TS]

01:51:33 ◼   ► him he's got to take a little like a briefcase [TS]

01:51:36 ◼   ► like Nintendo's the tenders problems even if you assume that they're still [TS]

01:51:40 ◼   ► market for gaming devices even if you get that is given because I think that [TS]

01:51:42 ◼   ► is like that's like they're the red line and Nintendo's future and and probably [TS]

01:51:47 ◼   ► the future of the Xbox and PlayStation as well as you know gaming hardware [TS]

01:51:50 ◼   ► still a viable business and I think currently it still is [TS]

01:51:53 ◼   ► don't know about the future right even if you allow for that you have to say [TS]

01:51:58 ◼   ► okay intend to has other problems and a lot of those have to do with the things [TS]

01:52:02 ◼   ► that I was does better than intended ease of purchase and installation and [TS]

01:52:06 ◼   ► the whole ownership experience you just went through it [TS]

01:52:08 ◼   ► cartridges no downloads yes nintendo's digital commerce stuff is way behind [TS]

01:52:12 ◼   ► even like steam on the BC little on the App Store it's so much easier to deal [TS]

01:52:18 ◼   ► with games in the App Store than any of any of really any of the platforms [TS]

01:52:22 ◼   ► Microsoft Sony or Nintendo so Apple's Way ahead there and you know that you're [TS]

01:52:26 ◼   ► seeing that that factor when you know making choices what do I so wanna be [TS]

01:52:29 ◼   ► with you [TS]

01:52:30 ◼   ► Nintendo is super dumb in this area like they they were tied their games their [TS]

01:52:34 ◼   ► hardware so you can do a digital download but those are tied to a [TS]

01:52:37 ◼   ► particularly hard when you get what you got to this crazy transfer process that [TS]

01:52:41 ◼   ► makes Rd around else happy in [TS]

01:52:43 ◼   ► screw up and all these terrible things right sony has actually some interesting [TS]

01:52:47 ◼   ► ideas about this for the PlayStation 4 where they say all the right things they [TS]

01:52:51 ◼   ► were still the right things right but like you're gonna have downloadable [TS]

01:52:54 ◼   ► games will be downloaded by Disqus you don't want and they also have you know [TS]

01:52:58 ◼   ► the interesting technology touting like so you gonna download this gigantic game [TS]

01:53:01 ◼   ► for PlayStation you can start playing it even before the whole game is downloaded [TS]

01:53:05 ◼   ► will tell them samples will immediately start screaming like the first level so [TS]

01:53:08 ◼   ► you can start playing melee that's something that he too had of Apple if [TS]

01:53:11 ◼   ► turns out to work right because Apple you want some you know multi-gigabit [TS]

01:53:14 ◼   ► game on your iOS device to get away from home game download before you can play [TS]

01:53:17 ◼   ► it so Sony is at least saying the right things marks off had some really [TS]

01:53:21 ◼   ► interesting ideas about like lending games and resale like you could lend the [TS]

01:53:25 ◼   ► game to any person your family for free by up to 10 people or whatever without [TS]

01:53:30 ◼   ► having them to rebuy it would transfer you know people freaked out about that [TS]

01:53:34 ◼   ► for DRM reasons they did some of the stupid things when they backed out a lot [TS]

01:53:37 ◼   ► of decisions but what's the joke that it should be called the Microsoft the new [TS]

01:53:40 ◼   ► platform Microsoft 180 X Box 186 handle these grand plans were actually really [TS]

01:53:46 ◼   ► often and half of them were terrible and they just said I'll never mind what do [TS]

01:53:49 ◼   ► we do with the 360 right and you could just take a disk back and tell me [TS]

01:53:53 ◼   ► exactly but like the Nintendo is way behind there and that i think is a much [TS]

01:53:57 ◼   ► more pressing problem that the things you've listened that they like even if [TS]

01:54:01 ◼   ► you say gaming thing is going to be future you gotta get your act together [TS]

01:54:03 ◼   ► it's got to be easy to buy and deal with games that is as it is in the App Store [TS]

01:54:06 ◼   ► and it's not and that's really going to hurt them and online gaming and [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► collaboration I don't know that Apple is ahead here microsoft certainly is in the [TS]

01:54:13 ◼   ► lead with Xbox Live are you all your friends and go online to play with them [TS]

01:54:16 ◼   ► and Sony Nintendo both not been doing well and it's always been trying to be [TS]

01:54:20 ◼   ► like family friendly and stuff but like the limiting access downlines you don't [TS]

01:54:24 ◼   ► have people like cursing at you and everything but that that's an area where [TS]

01:54:29 ◼   ► they're all kinda like fumbling and are not quite up to the standards you want [TS]

01:54:32 ◼   ► them to be the final thing is market access like it's it's easier to get a [TS]

01:54:37 ◼   ► game in the App Store than it is to get a game on at endo Sony or Microsoft [TS]

01:54:40 ◼   ► platforms [TS]

01:54:41 ◼   ► those are the biggest problems facing antenna right now aside from the the [TS]

01:54:46 ◼   ► medical question of whether game only con game only products [TS]

01:54:49 ◼   ► valid is all that stuff that Iowa's does better and that makes it so that people [TS]

01:54:53 ◼   ► say I'm gonna have me my buddy you're gonna make an iOS game we're gonna like [TS]

01:54:56 ◼   ► why aren't you making demagogue that's paying about our own however do that you [TS]

01:55:00 ◼   ► know it's not easy to buy things there and I just tell people to go on their [TS]

01:55:03 ◼   ► phones and download this app like those are all big problems that the Nintendo [TS]

01:55:07 ◼   ► has but all the things that you listed about the hardware everything I think [TS]

01:55:12 ◼   ► you're missing the forest for the trees because like I mean I like you listed [TS]

01:55:16 ◼   ► resistive touchscreens a problem like I said they're like I feel like a relic [TS]

01:55:20 ◼   ► from museum like their reasons for the resistive touchscreens not not that [TS]

01:55:26 ◼   ► they're never gonna happen forever but the first reason is like precision [TS]

01:55:31 ◼   ► because fingers get in the way more than than a stylist does and Nintendo had [TS]

01:55:37 ◼   ► specific games in mind that I want you to be able to use a stylus with the [TS]

01:55:40 ◼   ► union the competition like to draw the path for links boomerang on the Delta [TS]

01:55:43 ◼   ► games or whatever so you're gonna have a styles and if you have a stylist you [TS]

01:55:46 ◼   ► know pressure-sensitive is the only option they had that time and also once [TS]

01:55:51 ◼   ► you give someone a stylist they're gonna jam that thing to the screen like crazy [TS]

01:55:54 ◼   ► and you cannot have someone jabbing a pointy thing into a glass screen just [TS]

01:55:57 ◼   ► cracked or at the very least it'll make it big enough to scare her off and be [TS]

01:56:01 ◼   ► unpleasant and it will be as nice you gotta have resisted for that and for the [TS]

01:56:06 ◼   ► resolution it's not a Retina screen but like the specs of handhelds nintendo's [TS]

01:56:11 ◼   ► handled anyway are pretty easily explained by the focus is gaming only [TS]

01:56:15 ◼   ► machine so you don't have to show texture you know beautiful things like [TS]

01:56:18 ◼   ► rena graphics order and the price is super high res diminishing returns in [TS]

01:56:22 ◼   ► terms of fun factor like over certain rather you do not need 300 dpi for 3d [TS]

01:56:26 ◼   ► graphics game you won't even notice that I'll just be it's just it's completely [TS]

01:56:30 ◼   ► sunk you know Harbor costs that you're just paying bills takes us out and son [TS]

01:56:34 ◼   ► attended shows the balance that led to hit like a low price point and still [TS]

01:56:39 ◼   ► make a profit on this thing and I was trying to look up before the show like [TS]

01:56:42 ◼   ► what the power specs are for like what is more powerful in terms of three [TS]

01:56:45 ◼   ► processing power 3ds or you know what I paid for and all I can find more specs [TS]

01:56:51 ◼   ► like the you know the previous generation of iPod harbor and yeah the [TS]

01:56:55 ◼   ► iPad GPUs away are still reagan's they're filling in for a Retina screen [TS]

01:56:58 ◼   ► and the tender ones don't have to have that kind of power but the 3d power in [TS]

01:57:02 ◼   ► those things it's not an impressive and I'm pretty sure that using 65 nanometer [TS]

01:57:05 ◼   ► chips and that which is insane because Apple's like using 32 and soon-to-be 28 [TS]

01:57:09 ◼   ► thank you know state of the art of like trying to write so if you're right it is [TS]

01:57:13 ◼   ► older technology but that their focus so much on like durability price you know [TS]

01:57:19 ◼   ► accessibility to young people as a as a as a products for the handhelds very [TS]

01:57:24 ◼   ► specifically that I can justify everyone from the decisions they made and I think [TS]

01:57:28 ◼   ► I putting them on ATP that the TDS is not doomed in the market like it's not [TS]

01:57:34 ◼   ► it's not crazy to think that when Pokemon XY come out that bunch of [TS]

01:57:37 ◼   ► parents are gonna buy their kids this thing is the cheapest way to get this [TS]

01:57:40 ◼   ► game and I remember you on the site also think it was preparing like it's only [TS]

01:57:45 ◼   ► $40 cheaper yeah I didn't seem like a lot [TS]

01:57:49 ◼   ► well what if I told you that you had taken you know the the iPhone 5 and [TS]

01:57:55 ◼   ► shave $40 off the price but you can't change me the specs has done the same [TS]

01:57:58 ◼   ► manner and has to be just as fast I just need $4 off the price are you can't get [TS]

01:58:02 ◼   ► into the camera can't do anything USA for details on the price is not easy to [TS]

01:58:05 ◼   ► bring $40 I don't like it's not like this is like the Nintendo 3ds is like [TS]

01:58:09 ◼   ► the iPhone for us like the previous generation is cheaper it runs all 3ds [TS]

01:58:13 ◼   ► games granted on 3d but like it runs them that doesn't have any sort of [TS]

01:58:17 ◼   ► disadvantages in terms of speed or anything [TS]

01:58:20 ◼   ► 40 bucks out of this thing and gratitude that $40 is a lot more when the its 25% [TS]

01:58:28 ◼   ► as opposed to it probably might be easier to shave $40 off and iPhone 5 [TS]

01:58:34 ◼   ► because it's already seven hundred dollars and the profit as opposed to [TS]

01:58:41 ◼   ► shaving 25% right putting in percentage terms makes it more impressive than in [TS]

01:58:46 ◼   ► dollar terms but I don't like you're impressed by it and these are ATP the [TS]

01:58:54 ◼   ► TDS is not the move of you know it's not a power moves out some of the top of [TS]

01:59:00 ◼   ► their game saying we rule the handheld market now making its you know they want [TS]

01:59:04 ◼   ► to sell more gotta get the price lower [TS]