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00:00:28 ◼ ► lot's happened that kind of anti traditional for August so you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/28">TS</a>]
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00:00:43 ◼ ► you've probably talked to a similar stuff but people like to hear about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► over and over again Steve Ballmer out at Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► you did you not talk about this in your last show I believe no didn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/51">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► yeah now we did talk about that's how long ago it's been since I've recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► episode of the talk show you realize that have been got maybe I'm caught up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► who is your last guest was NGC where we talk to ya heard that one that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/68">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► last one I guess what you to take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/73">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► no and in fact the silver one I recorded you know before I took took off and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/74">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► was held I think a week it possible possible I actually saw little blurry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/83">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► but it's possible that bomber was announced his retirement before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► episode came out but I don't think so I think the episode came out like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► Wednesday and then bombers announcement was Friday that was the week but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/96">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► episodes recorded like the Friday before so I'm not surprisingly I mean no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/103">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► don't think so I think it was a little over do I think some of the reaction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► it has been a little surprising I think some of the defense of bombers CEO it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/112">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► surprises me a little bit I think backlash backlash i mean you know so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► get the that the story is out and then it's like oh good reasons he needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/121">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► go that's that's that's the main story and then the backlash story is so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/125">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► wasn't as bad as you thought he must member getting now we're going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► backlash back last which is no really it was pretty bad just a dot lights back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/130">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► and forth until he settles on the you know the central thing yeah I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/134">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► you're passing on your side like that he was kicked out in the people freaked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► about that because you really just speculating but I don't think it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► matters at this point it was clear what his job was when he took over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/150">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► Bill Gates and he hasn't pulled it off and it's time for a change right and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/155">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► seems like you know you can really feel it doesn't seem like that he graciously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► stepped aside to allow someone else to have a crack at it if not his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► personality that's not the type of guy he is so the only way to get rid of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► if they only come out right I leave on his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► you know if I'm to die is gonna is going to be a thousand powered by his you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► fueled by anger or whatever so that they could get around them and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► know they're a couple people who wrote about it I forget who had two good piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► I what it would look like one aboard forces as CEO and you know that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/191">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► the tells are that there's no named successor you know that if this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► orderly there'd been named you know somebody ready to go you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/202">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► there's you know if this was part of a plan they wouldn't be you know we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/205">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► twelve months to name somebody and the interviews with them like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► things you're supposed to say when you're stepping down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► you you say all day and he wasn't saying those things like he couldn't even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► they were asking questions like what made you decide to leave that he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► make some crap but was like I didn't decide to leave you know I mean it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► like it could get much worse like it could be you know adversarial and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/227">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► they're all trash talking to I wasn't like he eventually was convinced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► he's not gonna is a company man is not going to go out and burn bridges and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► Microsoft is doing they're you know not gonna have Steve Ballmer to kick around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► anymore he went out gracious graciously as you can imagine but again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/239">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► think he wanted to go I thought he you know he thought he could still pull it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/245">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► off and I think the thing it was keeping them there for such a long time as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► know he was there from the beginning and he was I'm assuming bill gates friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► and like all those things all those intangibles kept him there for longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► than he should have been did the one by one question that I have been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► know the answer to me talk about ideas like the transformation into a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► functional lines and you know the sort of application of Microsoft was that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/269">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► idea and then he was like his last-gasp movie kick them out or was that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/275">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► something that the board wanted to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► he was allowed to make it seem like it was his idea on his way out my guess is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► that it was the latter that it was bombers things I can't imagine that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/288">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► would institute something and it it it it seems like a true if it is as they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/298">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► described it it's a true company-wide reorganization along functionalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► which is not the way microsoft has ever operated I mean it's a true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/309">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► transformation of the company I can't see why they would do they the board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► would do that if they knew they were gonna bring in somebody new they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/317">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► have someone specific in mind then why would you let him if you know you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/322">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► get rid of it before so I like this was the last straw has another theory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► like they like ok well let's see what he has meant like let him an ounce and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► put into motion like this plan to truly transform coming in then kick him out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/335">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► mean like this is this plan was surprised to the board I would imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► right so why let some guy do something and then like that that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► theories aDP is like did he announce this animal was like ok that's it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/347">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► guy's not to destroy the company's gotta go out that seems unlikely to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/352">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► like this type of transformation you'd get him out before him but what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► plan like and we hear about how he was going to transform the company but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► know I kicked out so it's kind of weird like is my question is is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► transformation still going on right now our company our our parts of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► company reorganizing are they are they continuing apace to implement this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► transformation plan despite the fact that was the idea that their of the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► are going out like the plan survives him because it wasn't just him like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► really thought this was a good idea that is the key was the guy deleted question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► had really thought about it but it is interesting to me maybe it was along the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/384">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► lines of bomber goes to the board with his plan to do this and the board is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► like maybe unsettled about his future and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► you know and they know that they know there's a bad smell about the place you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► know that that that they're they're big thing Windows is in decline in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/404">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► doesn't seem like their next big things like mobile R K gaining any traction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/409">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► all they know there's it's kids at the point now where even the Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► optimistic gotta see that there's problems in the near future for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► company but he says are gonna do this and they're like okay and then it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/421">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► in the weeks after that you know you know you know we've got to get you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/428">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► good person and that's not the way you want that to go there like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/433">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► by the Board you want to go and I can I mean the sound like I will who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► cares who really cares about kicked out of her whatever like it's all you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► find out of the tell-all books ten years from now whatever but it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► difference for the future of the company because I mean I guess we will find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/450">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► when like the new CEO comes in if his first order of business is to undo that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► entire plan will know that that plan was clearly you know was bomber staying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/457">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► the new guys reversing is now this is actually how we want to do things but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► the new CEO comes in and like just weeks the plan and says okay now I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► or you know but it's not really like what we're gonna do it's like how we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/470">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► gonna be organized so could be the organization survived same as the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/473">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► CEO says now we're going to you know make toast or something and that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/476">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► you know would still be radical shift so because the new guy could come in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/480">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► just immediately you know under this plan to save yeah we're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► that we can do something different about going to reorganize and then spoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/487">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► pattern in the harbor whatever who knows me I don't know there's a line here this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/492">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► is the the internal email the bomber sent to the company on the day of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/497">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► announcement second and third sentences to me are the ones that are almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/503">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► this is as close as ever gonna tell to the fact that he was kind of pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► actually pushed he says there's never a perfect time for this type of transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/514">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► my original thoughts on timing would have had my retirement happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/520">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► middle of our transformation to a devices and services company focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► empowering customers in the activities they value most that my original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/529">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► thoughts that to me is translated as I would have stayed but it is tracking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/535">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► down like that's the one break-in that I read that thing that's the one break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► from his like you know corporate vernier like he's not gonna bad mouth now he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► not going to trash the company he loves Microsoft right he wants to see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► succeed so we can go down in flames but he he also can't help like that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/553">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► bit leaks out of it but he regrets that if it's inside my room that totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► makes it clear that I go and I mean the interview with your interview field at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/562">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► yeah you know I do kind of you know I mean I deserve a lot of I told you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/567">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► and the fact that I was seen to me it's been very clear for years that the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/574">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► you know been making some profound mistakes of judgment but I don't hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► any personal animosity against them and I think it is very clear I don't see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► anybody whether you have been a fan of the guy a couple of the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► products or whatever or not the opposite I don't see how anybody could deny that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► the guy is put his life into the company I mean he is truly the company's man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► company man from Microsoft yeah I think I would have personal animosity towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► me if I was big Microsoft's fans and enthusiasts because I would feel like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► was the United steering the ship into the iceberg over the past decade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/609">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► just not you know I would be screaming yelling for you know you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/613">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► screaming yelling manager to pull a picture right because you were you a fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► of the team right personal hatred towards that guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/623">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► the baseball and just for you but if you don't care you like and what you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/626">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► because he did do the things he did was he sort of took the businesses that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► knew how to be successful and because they work the same as that used to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► and continued to you know sort of build those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/641">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► and didn't fumble the ball and those who just was unable to break into any new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/645">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► businesses with Microsoft in in a successful fashion I also I also think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► there is a profound irony in the fact that his his dad was an executive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/657">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► five ford indeed right and you know he grew up as a car company and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/664">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► apparently still to this day is driven nothing but cars from the Ford Motor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/674">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► Company think it was for don't think it was GMA almost sure that was ford but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/679">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► regardless his father's generation of the trade car executives were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/687">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► generation that ran the D train companies into real problems when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/691">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► disruptive new class of cars came about in the seventies and that his read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/699">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► bombers reaction to the disruptive technologies of last 10 15 20 years as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/703">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► you know in broad strokes very similar to 2d traits where they kinda just stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/709">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► with their old you know in Broad's again broad strokes but this make big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/714">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► gas-guzzling cars and let's just laugh off threat from smaller cheaper japanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/719">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► imports and the idea of him only driving for cars despite being like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► multi-billionaire because his father was a four-man click together in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/732">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► with Melinda Gates forbidding was at her forbidding her children to have iPods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► right now that that attitude nothing you know I'm taking Bill Gates and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► Ballmer like that the 12 and Microsoft and you can see this pervades the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/749">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► company but that attitude of like it's kinda like being accompanied men you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/753">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► know your bill gates children have iPods and Steve Ballmer you know his followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/758">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and you're my son is he doing out of loyalty displace I'm only gonna buy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► its despite the fact that I have any car in the world right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► compare this to Steve Jobs coming to Apple and continuing to use a ThinkPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► not gonna run their friggin classic Mac OS with the Platinum windows and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► this crap because it's not it's not good enough right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/779">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► that whole idea of you know toeing the line being company man not not like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/782">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► to loyalty type thing versus ruthlessly using what you think is the best product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/790">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► no matter what I'm trying like serving aspirational like you would hope this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/795">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Steve Ballmer will be driving you know a Ferrari BMW or Mercedes or something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/798">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► give him a taste amazing products can be like and to aspire to make up their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► testicles prices like that type of attitude to meet daily and that that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/809">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► only gonna drive fords because my father I may be fine if you can only afford for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► it and it's like you know picking Ford Chevy your hunter but never finds it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► with words but it's just so crazy to me that type of attitude you know from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► gates children are having iPods into Steve Ballmer only driving force that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/826">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► highlights in the Apple and Microsoft and you know I like a Lincoln is made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/829">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► foreigners a higher quality car then you know ford escort or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► but but your point taken I totally agree I don't think bomber would fit them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/841">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► Friday by the way they were very accommodating you have enough money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/847">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► move the seat back I don't know I've never tried to say I've heard that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► I've heard they're pretty difficult for even I don't even know if you are I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► would fit very well and often for us very well typically very very short man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/860">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► there goes the Italian audience I haven't seen a lot of speculation yet on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/867">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► who Microsoft might replace bomber wit and it seemed this seems like a fun game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/879">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► yeah I've heard a lot i mean this is a lot of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/888">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► suggestions that you know unrealistic the favor one is that I think marco was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► a nice it's also the first of many people have as well I got first also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/895">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► available here right now that he would never seems like wanna run Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► ever but that's fun to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► yeah let's take it seriously I've definitely seen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/907">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► on Twitter aspect I saw that I mean five minutes after the when I first saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/909">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► announcement that bombers out I don't think I'm and I certainly cannot claim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► I've met for stalled once but I did have a nice conversation with them or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/921">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Heidemann you times after that but I can't kind that I know but what I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/927">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► of him I can't imagine that he would want the job thing about this who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/934">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► want the job like a good question asked when you throw anybody's name because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► it's the type of the type of position where at this point in history almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► anybody who would claim to want the job is probably not the right guy for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► job because if you want the job is like you know you have a lot on your plate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► right and you know it's going to be super difficult to to turn this big ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► around but you also know that no matter how bad the job you do you can still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/963">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► stinking rich and be extremely powerful powerful for the tiger in the position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► so the whole class of terrible sort of you know aspiring c-level executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► from Fortune 500 companies who would jump at the chance to to further take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/976">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► Microsoft down the tubes because you would make a lot of money and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► be powerful you would be in the press and you would be interviewed all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► magazines and you know i mean and so for all the wrong reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► your monthly about all the wrong things yes those people on the position that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► not true Microsoft ones I want someone who is you know who loves the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► who believes they can do better and who's gonna do something amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► radical I'm that that's tough to find that person a person who's motivated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► all the right things but is also capable of it I I would say with forced to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► died I would bet everything that we have not heard the last from Scott Forstall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► my understanding is that the terms of his departure from Apple where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► he got a boatload of money I mean like maybe literally like an entire boatload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► of money and the terms word now you go away and you remain completely quiet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► 12 months or 18 months or something you know somewhere and I think maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► twelve months so whenever that when was that it was last november when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► announced it would be surprised if you first see his name even just in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► come December but I think it was a twelve month period where he is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► allowed to say anything in public whatsoever between is not allowed to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► mean even like tweet a picture of a flower can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► complete radio silence for 12 months not allowed to work anywhere now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► doing and after that you know it's probably in some kind of standard list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► of nine competes for some period of time that's how long he needs to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► company anyway but look what other similarly having been successful people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► who left Apple even if they left on better terms than him have done like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► there's Tony Fadell the guy led the original iPod team went on to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► nest thermostat and he didn't leave on that much better terms of forestalling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► you think about it I think maybe it was a little but not much I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► certainly he wasn't well both of them had been named by various you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► random quote unquote analyst is like potentially future people who could run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► the company but I forestalled I think people took more seriously as bad as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► possible both of them believe they were kind of could be in that you know your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► career path and then both booted out like forrest i think has is a magnum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► higher than in this level thing yeah but did it the point though is that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► new company founded by fidel in you know exactly as he wants it burt run so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► don't know exactly what he's working on yet at that mystery start up some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► of they've got like a slogan or something but you know he's but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► new company right that he's working on down and San Jose somewhere secretly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► could have you know obviously could go almost anywhere you wanted to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► it's a guy is unbelievable record but made a new company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► well yes I think those are those are two very different things best thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► this like bertrand I think would have no problem if his company make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► amazing song accompanied back down right that's very true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► whereas forestall this point in his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► wants to be the Steve Jobs whatever he does next and Steve Jobs you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► indecisive job you did something next backed out all but it was a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► coming in and that was not his first choice right the only way for stalls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► ever coming back to Apple is after some sort of decade-long disastrous drought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► no I mean you know I mean is it possible it certainly doesn't seem possible right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► now but after Tim Koch dies in a private jet accident or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► well you know if we get to the year 2022 and Apple has had you know their stocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► been flat ever since 2011 and they're losing money in the iPhone is no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► viable platform etcetera etcetera who knows but I mean it would take you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► like Apple back to where they were in 1997 distorted disaster for forestall to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► come back and like a complete execution of the entire current executive staff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► no I don't think Scott Forstall any interest in the Microsoft ya think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► wants to do the very least you have you have to get someone like him time to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► off tried around trying to decide if they didn't like it once or twice or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► something like that he's not if they're they're smart they'll call him like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► they're smart they're gonna make the call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► make the offer talk to him about it find out what the deal is that I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► that's why people don't take it seriously said it seems it seemed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► unlikely because I mean I've never spoken over from what I can tell him he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► doesn't seem like the type of person who's just interested in being the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► of something or just interested in being powerful and he also seems like the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► of person who would turn up his nose at Microsoft the same reason all apple snob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► Microsoft right I don't think that their technology is appealing to him you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► that the whole technology stack to have in place I don't know that he be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► interesting but that is it certainly is interesting what it but I don't think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► gonna happen I don't think it's feasible so here's one about us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► basis by Rihanna said I would could they possibly say that would make him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► interested I mean he's already got a massive entirely building his own image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► yeah I think about him as though he he strikes me as a person who is able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► see how seemingly unconnected things can be worked together work together for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► mutual benefit like he's the guy the company was signed books on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► and decided to build a storage service and like you know and ec2 cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► computing stuff now some of that is because I okay we need something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► that for a Tehran Iran service but but reselling it and decided to make tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► computers and like Andy Inc reader like you know it's not that far-fetched but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► if you're the CEO of a company selling books on the internet those are not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► first like the things amazon has done seemed like you were told me in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► nineteen ninety five or whenever Amazon started fast forward a couple years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► Amazon's gonna have dismissed what why would they have that like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► make sense it doesn't seem like it in the same business so what could he do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► owning both Amazon and Microsoft Arc those two things work together and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► couldnt lots of ways to work together to make what what do you say no that he'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► be he'd be like where jobs was the CEO of Pixar and Apple he'd be the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► Amazon and Microsoft yes no yes the CEO both they would not they would not pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► away yes exactly I can see if if Bezos said I'd be interested I can certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► see why Microsoft Word when I listen to him I can't see what they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► I can't see why he would even spent thirty seconds thinking about it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► smell factor like you know Amazon is it not on the ascent then it's a survivor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► is doing well and people like it then Microsoft is seen as being on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► downslope and I don't think he really feels the need to rescue Microsoft one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► thing he clearly has an Amazon and you know i've spoken and written a bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► Amazon the last month or so but I mean there's a lot of dispute from for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► financial minded people that I've got it all wrong but one thing I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► anybody could denies that basis has effectively carte blanche from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► investors in my hand and the board he doesn't really have to answer to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► in the board and Amazon investors are very happy with what he's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► whereas that big problem with Microsoft right now is that investors are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► unhappy with in there was a story just today that what do you call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► activist investor group has successfully gotten a new member of the board at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► Microsoft witches according to The Wall Street Journal almost unprecedented for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► a company their size you know that investors are very unhappy and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► the investors being unhappy that seemingly has gotten bored agitated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► you know it's the board that made the move to do this you know he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► there's a lot of people to answer to their I mean I guess you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► theoretically get a contract written that says you know you're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► you know get off my back and i dont have to run ideas by you you're gonna make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► the CEO and I get to do whatever I want but doesn't work like that that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► the worst thing that can happen to companies like Microsoft the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► is to have suddenly the board you know sort of get emergency powers or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► like you like to to have the future of the company be decided by committee the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► committee is only a handful of people that is the worst possible thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► the reason it worked at Apple is because jobs came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► and like the board you know I don't feel like shuttle through the border a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► in people who never been like it was a hundred percent backing up in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► rubber stamped what he did like him and he talked to them and got advice or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► whatever but it was not as if they were like ok steel but we really watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► ummm maybe they were like it was not you can't run the company by committee at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► you when you have a company's situation you need like strong decisive leadership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► that also happens to be correct yeah jobs almost a man might be getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► slightly wrong and there may be one or two board members who he kept on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► maybe bill campbell is already on the board but he you know but he's friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► personal friends with Steve Jobs so it's not surprising that he did other bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► maybe but I maybe wrong maybe even bill campbell was somebody who jobs brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► on after he came back in 97 but he effectively got most of the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Apple board to commit seppuku you know even longtime members like whatsapp uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► a mark Marcoola the guy who is like the 3rd or 4th founder of Apple like the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► investor yeah I mean no surprise there since he was one of the guys of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► jobs out in in 86 but you know when the board got a job to come back they more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► part of the deal was in all of you have to sit step down or at least all gifted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► submit her resignation and I'll pick which ones have used a yeah I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► I need to be that the the advantage that Apple and Jobs had was that Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► way worse shape than Microsoft and like it it's so much easier to do the radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► scary thing what it's like your only choice like look we're gonna go bankrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► otherwise so then you know about the whole board steps down that Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► take over and above the bar with a friend who wants to live well we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► gonna be out of business if we don't do something and so that sounds good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► like the board stepping aside it's like they probably thought they were leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► a sinking ship like people who didn't have faith in jobs or whatever and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► the fact that the board was populated with people who are just gonna more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► less give thumbs up to whatever steve did let him execute his plan over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► years that he was over the company in his second rain and I if Microsoft board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► something like shareholders of pissed off and put the guy on the board and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► board like I don't know what the hell to do like those people have no idea of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► people if elevated to CEO could fix the company right so I mean as far as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► know it seems very likely is that they've been overseeing the bomber and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► hemming and hawing so like you do not want you know rule by committee you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► something exciting and radical and probably also need to be willing to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► markets are down further to bring it up so like tech businesses that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► nothing about Steve Jobs playbook but you know what he came in he cleaned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► house and already you know dying company canceling projects left and right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► have to decide what you want Microsoft to be and everything that's not totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► concentrating on achieving that gold you ditch you don't like put into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► maintenance mode while they're gonna get less updates or whatever you just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► we gotta cut off at this point America's history can't do that because each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► of those businesses is you know it's worth like maybe not presented by a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► but in real money it's worth on the board good like well what do you do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► our revenues gonna go down he can't do this I'm not gonna give you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► Microsoft doesn't have a year two years to reboot a bunch of things and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► they're in a tough situation and I think it would be better if their business was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► failing monetarily fortunately it's not right it's it's to draw an analogy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► like it clearly it's hard to get everyone to act on climate change based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► on evidence that we may be seeing trouble ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► whereas it would be a lot easier to get everybody on board if Manhattan rendered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► yep right i mean and you can say well then it's too late but you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► where I was in ninety-seven Apple in ninety-seven was you know manhattan's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► higher ground floor of every building in an underwater welding jobs thing seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► opposition was his loss comment on mister building in new city inland right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► then you're not allowed to use gasoline anymore right and you know that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► know nobody was gonna nobody would have gone for that you know three four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► so I will just say one more thing before I take the first sponsor but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► one person who is currently on the Microsoft Word who could conceivably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► take over as CEO have no idea i guess im bored so well bill gates yet now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► I've heard that one as well but like he's someone who did leave on his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► terms right note you know he decided he was gonna leave he decided his successor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► was gonna be he took like a year to walk out the door and he is totally the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► person I think even if you want to do it because I don't know maybe not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► their own person he he missed the internet thing but he did turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► company around in time to time to crash netscape using illegal tactics like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► don't know if that's all you want running the show but he is definitely of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► the old Microsoft mindset like I don't I don't know if that mindset that mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► served him well in the environment that he was in at that time and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► if he has the even if you want to have the mindset in the skills to succeed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► the current market because he oversaw a lot of the you know what he's still the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► CEO and they were doing those well he certainly for the pen computing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► tablet in a speech recognition I think for a little bit of the smartphone stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► that they were doing he was there and all those fields doing crappy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► before everyone else was doing anything those were there for the taking him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► he didn't take them he missed the miscalculated they'd spend all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► money on R&D research products and every year CSE telling you in the future we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► gonna be like blah blah blah never ship it right and then he walked out the door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► so I don't think he is the guy you want any way in hell that is coming back I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► don't think we're there but it would be a credible choice in the eyes of at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► least significant certainly I think in the business world would be seen as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► credible choice would be seen as a credible choice in some portion of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► tech world comes up from everybody like well most popular stock market like it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► think the board would like it they would sell it would be just like Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► come back to happen here comes feel like it is it's the one with the best optics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► is going to be an unknown and that's like bad it makes people nervous or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► best case like so they get Scott Forstall whatever people like I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► nervous right right that's so Bill Gates is like it's a devil you know that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► the one who made like that that is their their best choice if you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► highest ratio positive to negative stories on the best reaction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► stock price but long-term until they get their best bet I don't think so either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► because the question you have to ask is what would bill gates have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► differently if he had stayed on as CEO for the past 12 years instead of taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► chairmanship in having bomber take over what would he have done differently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► I don't know that the answer is much at all he strikes me as being more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► ruthless than machiavellian than than bomber and the like he just wants to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► the game like whether it's a board game or or the game of companies and he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► do whatever it takes to win the game which is sort of why he was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► crush netscape and why you know he was willing to turn the whole company around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► the internet tidal wave memo know that all the stuff I think it takes more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► that but that is least showing a little more scrap and fight and bombers show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► more bombers has kind of been desperately trying to move in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► direction but Gates would just be like up at night thinking about how how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► outmaneuver these companies who are my competitors and how can I defeat them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► and that that fire I don't know that fires gun on him now or would it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► there but if he was in charge I like Microsoft would have done more bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► things than they did under bomber yeah and it is does seem true that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► more hands-on may be significantly more hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► in product development than bombers were was you know that major software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► products went before bill gates for review and certainly without the level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► of taste which we should get back to cause I think it's a fundamental feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► of bomber in Microsoft's culture as a whole but in terms of strong being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► strongly opinionated and by his word alone you gotta go back to the drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► board Bill Gates had that and I don't know that Kate ever really involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► himself at that level yet both David Gates was honored and he he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► program and he wanted to stop in and bomber was you know MBA type right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► wasn't he can't tell you like the famous tell from omars Polski things on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► side about coming to them about some calendaring function in Excel and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► bomber quiz them and like EB leap year leap second and crazy cases about dates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► and stuff but he brushed up on before he came to the meeting and then I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► answers from that's not happening with the army nothing is that use to be see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► either but that was that was gates's type attitude because it was a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► company because he was a tech nerd you fail to do that but even just a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► where gates would go away for like a week or two every year to do like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► thinking time with his books and everything like that when he came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► with the internal internet tidal wave memo feel like I've read about breeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► does internet be keeping up with it I decided you know it's it's a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► now he was always going away and coming coming back with ideas like that and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► was usually right about the areas they had to be in its just that then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► executed poorly and made crab meat products that gets back to the taste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► things like he knew that they should be into tablet computing and 10 computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► and speech recognition in mobile just the products they created there were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► not good enough to break far enough with the past and you know he can get it done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► one of my favorite Bill Gates stories is permitted Herzfeld folklore website in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► what was the book version revolution in the valley where the first time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► it was andy's story but the first time he showed bill gates a macintosh before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► and Microsoft they were trying to get Microsoft on board as an app developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► he caught onto was the mouse pointer animation which was terrific and was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► sort of thing like to get it to enemy without like trails and likeness in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► gates accused them of that it was somehow like hardware cheap that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► was something that was in the hardware just to get the mouse pointer to animate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► as as well as it did on 1980 1983 hardware and many many like grilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► Herzfeld on how they were doing it caught on to a little details like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► and knew that there must be some you know either they were cheating or it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► genius that it was working as well as it did I was believed that seamless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2180">TS</a>]
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00:37:33 ◼ ► do this crap he's got a Pawlenty Bill Gates happened he was smart enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2253">TS</a>]
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00:38:28 ◼ ► anime like that and there was some kind of trick that hurts funding come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2308">TS</a>]
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00:41:03 ◼ ► like the old bag placed site i like it a little movie in the header that showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► someone squirting lighter fluid on the laptop and landing on fire there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► early versions of their website was like you know torture computer don't worry we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► got your data backed up this thing I like about places that I mean I use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► on the front of now the hardest thing I've been about customers back when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► were when they did that the lighter fluid thing on their website and it'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2487">TS</a>]
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00:41:38 ◼ ► will send your hard drive because it's way easier to get that amount of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► and they showed like the hard drive size they will send you an ass like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► one hard drive will send you multiple hard drives and I look at the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► the hard drives like all my stuff not gonna put their cause I got so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► stuff in multiples of tobacco but that was so long ago they keep increasing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► size of the hard drives the right so like I'm still paying the same rate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► was always paying but now there's like three terabyte hard over something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► forgot how big it is but it's way bigger than it was when I first signed up so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► mean you can imagine it can be like well when you signed up for $5 a month only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► got your 320 gigabyte hard drive and if you want a better version you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2530">TS</a>]
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00:42:21 ◼ ► know paying for them to FedEx you a big hard drive is it the least of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2541">TS</a>]
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00:42:42 ◼ ► thing you don't back up with a backup everything not backing up frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2562">TS</a>]
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00:43:25 ◼ ► it just a test restarted it actually restorative like since I think to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2605">TS</a>]
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00:43:36 ◼ ► regular basis just checking but over a matter of course of just having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2616">TS</a>]
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00:43:42 ◼ ► through your backups and get it back and I am you know as a side effect I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► testing the restore process every time I pull out from backwards backup rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2627">TS</a>]
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00:44:09 ◼ ► black base which is probably a website so I really think part of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2649">TS</a>]
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00:44:35 ◼ ► pointed to it for years as proof that they should have fired him years ago the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► infamous interview he gave when the iPhone was first announced when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► laughed at it on camera and said you know a $600 phone with no keyboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► gotta be kidding me and just laughed and laughed and laughed I have pointed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► that for years as proof that this guy's asleep at the switch was the wrong guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► for the job and the pointed out the people I every time I play link to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► email from people saying well what do you expect him to say that's not prove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► anything he's the CEO over rival company he can't say good things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► iPhone but that's the point he didn't just not say good things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► iPhone he laughed at it there's a there's a video you can look at now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► it looks hot looks horrendous tonight so it's not just him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► pooh-poohing the iPhone or or saying you know pointing out one bad thing about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► like the price the original 2007 iPhone which they tried to sell unsubsidized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► was very expensive to $600 phone was not going to take over them so he could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► just said look it's too expensive I you know and then talk up whatever the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► Windows Mobile phones were of the time there is a way to play that on camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► that you know stuck to a Windows Mobile central line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2752">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► but which didn't dismiss the iPhone or or didn't mark the iPhone I should well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2760">TS</a>]
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00:46:11 ◼ ► the iPhone I don't think he looked at the iPhone thought holy ship we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► fucked well he wouldn't I don't think he understood the depth of the problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2774">TS</a>]
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00:46:23 ◼ ► anything you know fighter jets are 10 times our pilots are 10 times better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► than theirs are more tanks and you will never like its propaganda like as soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► as did the iPhone comes out like denny's is a company man is gonna say Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► Mobile he would plot the stats about we sell this many phones and we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► doing this for this long look at this thing and it's terrible in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► possible way it's like it's it's you know it's propaganda against the enemy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and that is his first and second the problem with having that be your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► instinct as CEO to have the reaction I think it's disingenuous or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► eventually you start to convince yourself because you keep saying those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► things like I think eventually because he doesn't want to believe that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► thing is is better as everyone says it is that pisses him off he starts saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► these things and eventually starts to like believe them more than he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► but I don't think I don't think he ever really believed all the things he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► saying about how terrible the iPhone is I think he went back to the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► his team and said why does why aren't our phones like this why at the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2842">TS</a>]
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00:47:28 ◼ ► version of Windows Mobile to say about this you know i mean he's gonna go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► and yelled at people and and and ask why that's a problem even if he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► understand why right and the taste thing like when we say that bad taste like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2855">TS</a>]
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00:47:44 ◼ ► does have a form of taste but his taste runs towards things that don't make for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► a successful consumer products so it's not like he has no taste he has a taste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► in a design is that it can are as embodied in I don't know what what can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► you look at to figure it out as embodied in the product the way he he managed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2877">TS</a>]
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00:48:06 ◼ ► taste is just different than the taste that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► and at this point he said you know so what your taste different just different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► but I think Apple at this point is vindicated enjoying it just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► same to say what was what was Sony's tastes like when they were the king of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► the consumer electronics cell what is apples taste like there is a through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► line between those companies and it is not like the taste of Microsoft's Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► Ballmer so it's the incorrect taste that have if you want to be in this type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► Sony when they're on top had a very distinctive taste i I liked you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► was usually black like black devices and when they weren't they would you know go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► almost radical directions like the the waterproof Walkman and were like bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► yellow ya know that they're so I still like that if you look at how to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► amazed it like that they'd fallen so low right but they still have some designers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► in a doing interesting things like you know look look at the design of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► PlayStation 2 for instance it was very futuristic an impressive and PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► 3 to look like George Foreman grill but like always everything we do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► interesting and like in terms of design unfortunate the rest of the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► things that the company that is not probably doing that great and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► they're like a movie studio and all sorts of other entitlements and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► but design wise there is there are some good design is still at Sony and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► make things that sort of capture the imagination more than like compared the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► original Xbox which is also black plastic just like a ps2 but if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► tell the difference from the original Xbox and ps2 in terms of design like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► there's your problem can't detect the difference both blasting the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► plastic slats and them damn about the same ones obviously bigger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► other but during the size difference like this a huge difference was between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► those two things I would say the controllers to i mean and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► controllers are it's almost like we're gonna get into how quickly your keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► should be but I'm not a gamer but I just thought just as I guess snap judgment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► level that PlayStation controllers have always looked very appealing to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► Xbox once for example not so much unfortunately when it comes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► controllers are things you're going to hold in your hand how it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► that's that's been so many spelling there and and apples failing to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► reason you know the hockey puck mouse or even the current Magic Mouse too low you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► can if you have a a visual design aesthetic and you want things to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► just so that is exactly the wrong instinct to indulge when you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► something that fits inside someone's hand and they supposed to look at while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► they're using right like i mean they saw me does make they did make their control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► is beautiful and symmetrical with like conical sections for the little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► that you hope that's not what shake people's hands are in and so it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► like a nice piece of art but not great holder is Microsoft went the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► direction said we're selling to thirty year old guys make the controller bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► stranger and yet another thing but i i think the Xbox controller see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► successful control isn't than the PlayStation kronenberg looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► two of them one of them looks like a hamburger and looks like a sleek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► futuristic thing here's another bitter taste member of the beta back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► September 2010 when Windows Phone 7 was released to manufacturing and they held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► a funeral parade in Microsoft campus for the BlackBerry and iPhone compare that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► compare that to Apple which had a funeral for its own operating system on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► state for their own product beyond propaganda they do the you know start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► your photocopiers and trashing windows or whatever but but that's i mean in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► cases though he seems kind of unseemly like if if you are the underdogs ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► need that to motivate the troops and like when Apple was the underdog that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► when it worked and I started to become the over dog that's when it became a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► little bit distasteful but at that point like Microsoft like this momentum of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► being the big dog and it's the kind of unseemly for them to be trashing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► other competitors but like that just fits into the cold war mentality in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► propaganda Sligo everything we do is $100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► everything they do is terrible we are the best we're gonna win and that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► that's not helpful like that type of propaganda doesn't motivate the troops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► because they know it's not true just as much as you know or should know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► it's not true like there's a there's a measured rational response that you let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► you know the people in your company know that you understand what is better about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► the other products and you're still behind you still you believe your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► company can best them but now you know what you have to do and that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► communicated by just blind rara cheerleading for everything your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► does right I think it's kinda dispiriting if you're the troops if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► can't believe everything that youre leader says right I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► everybody at Microsoft Windows Phone 7 no matter how well it did and no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► how good it was and it was certainly a lot better than everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► microsoft done in mobile before but it wasn't gonna kill the iPhone I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► think there is anybody there maybe except for Ballmer they could have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► meeting of the head Windows Phone 7 series Phone 7 you know you're before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► the iPhone right right then it really would've been like wow where the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► did this come from because it was so much better than what they had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► like they were they were justifiably proud of but again they the overshoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► they got it you know and the thing about bearing rim like I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► moment I was that one could call because I think everyone at that point could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► anyone with a brain could see that room was in serious trouble that was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► a good called on their part I think everybody in the computer industry could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► see it you know because I think that everybody could see and that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► whole basis of the big white room was screwed in 20 2008 was simply from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► basis of look we call them smart phones but they're not phones their little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► personal computers that happen to have cellphone networking and RIM has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► experience making computers they make little messaging devices they're screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► because they can't make computers and they eventually realize that when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► bought what you call it the axe yeah yeah the QNX which was you know got them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► in the game with the route you know by all measures you know say what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► BlackBerry 10 OS but you know the QNX wore underneath as you know super well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► regarded as you know it's the real deal but it was way too little too late and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► think that's clearly not even Microsoft can see these things are a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► yeah I was put on Monday barring there if they were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► funeral else it was BlackBerry and iPhone and iPhone nothing else to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► they live together and the reason that you mention Nokia the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► everything ok was invincible busy look at the sales number like well no guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► was like oh gillian phones every year so we're not even talk about them as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► a nobody could be on top forever well as business sense of you know not realizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► that what they're selling are you know feature phones done well and I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► be surprised I forget when Stephen Elop came ok took over as nokia CEO which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► certainly when it became much more likely that they would license Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► as an operating system but I wouldn't be surprised if they already had Nokia you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► know on the list up we'd like them to make Windows Phone 7 they can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that the big thing the big similarity between rim and Apple was that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► the two companies that built the whole kit you know that hardware and the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► you know the companies they couldn't afford them awkward anybody who was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► potential OEM for Windows that's probably true but yet but yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► like any company should know that you know some other company having huge head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► start on the software ecosystem is a big problem it should have a Microsoft is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► that was like such such a key factor in their success with the PC getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► apps getting all of them like by that point the App Store had moved along had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► no but nobody in Microsoft believe like people cheering the audience believed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► their heart of hearts that Windows Phone 7 was going to sweep the iPhone off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► best-case the boy you know three years from now we may you know be tied with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► them in terms of developer support number about its best case scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► right I think anybody at Microsoft even bomb in anybody who could have been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► should have been able to realize immediately the day of the iPhone being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► unveiled on stage in January 2007 that wow we've been caught flat-footed we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► need to start today I mean right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► immediate emergency meeting we've got a we've gotta think about how we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► catch up to this just by looking at what Apple showed on the first day with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► iPhone but even if you didn't have the taste to recognize that the moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► everybody at Microsoft should have had that you know this is an emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► meeting would have been a year later when the App Store was announced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► response was so incredibly strong from that such a diverse array of developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► i I can forgive them for not believing you're not going to believe they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► announcement and because it was so different after was so different that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► there was a good chance like if you didn't you didn't understand like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► were showing that there's like the same kind of weird could go either way right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► and I would say like a year later that's way too late I would say the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► time when you when you should have that meeting if you didn't have an amoeba [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► concealable see what's going to happen right time to have a meeting is once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► are a bad as any of the c-level executives american chopper anybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► able to go to the store buy and iPhone bring home and play with it then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► better have been meaning to you like we've got a problem here but you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► with that phone and you realize I don't want to go back to the phones like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► iPhone was a compelling product once you had in your hands and that's when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► need to have that meeting because the proof is in the product right $600 or no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► if you play around that thing you know on day one the original iPhone and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► realize damn I cannot go back to my windows mobile phone after this we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► to have a meeting that's the problem that's a good point and it was it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► was it was a product that was as good as the demos claimed it was and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► be sure that like they put up on the screen like Microsoft right you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► you can't tell if we didn't although he seemed amazing we trust we had faith in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► Apple until you get that thing you can do not sure because it was so weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► i but the proof is in the product and had to know but I'm they all had iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► maybe maybe the fact that Microsoft has a history of of sort of sham demos it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► may be that actually set them back in six months as they just you know much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► like RIM's famous response where they actually had a meeting you know the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► after the iPhone came out and came away with the conclusion that Apple had faked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► the whole thing because it was impossible you know maybe Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► reaction like it but it's the type you know go khobar analogy again so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► watch the demo right and go down to their phone team they were just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► iPhone demo we're not sure that that's going to fly over its BS or we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► know but you know what do you think of it head of Windows Mobile and Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► Moses our phones are strong we don't have to worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► strong Windows Mobile that's what they have to do as a company man down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/3581">TS</a>]
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01:15:36 ◼ ► on Microsoft's current tablet edition right and that one gets killed by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4536">TS</a>]
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01:15:43 ◼ ► logo pop up and stuff like that but there's no way in hell you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► like the Microsoft Game Boy because the phone group doesn't like it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4546">TS</a>]
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01:17:09 ◼ ► practically mean they did not in the PC space but they said we're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4629">TS</a>]
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01:17:32 ◼ ► to make those and to make them succeed even if even if only fleetingly yeah one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4652">TS</a>]
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01:18:02 ◼ ► and say the thing is there could be untapped talent inside Microsoft I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4682">TS</a>]
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01:18:14 ◼ ► that's the key decision you don't talk about the optics before like a house is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► gonna look in the present who is one of the stock price for all that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► have to deal with whatever happens that you've just got to find the right person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4701">TS</a>]
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01:18:58 ◼ ► the iPhone is almost not irrelevant but is not the thing people should look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4738">TS</a>]
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01:19:37 ◼ ► market should have been Microsoft us they'd the fact that they let him become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► the defacto corporate mobile OS should have been seen as a failure very early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4783">TS</a>]
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01:22:59 ◼ ► fade in power and it's a tough competitor because they had skills and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/4979">TS</a>]
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01:23:55 ◼ ► very quickly but like you know 2009 2010 Android was really really crummy system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/5035">TS</a>]
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01:39:37 ◼ ► going to compete with with iOS or even Windows Mobile I don't think the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► has it in them to sell a device that's a general-purpose office again said who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/5981">TS</a>]
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01:39:56 ◼ ► the end of the line for Nintendo as we know it as a company and they could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► on to become just a software company do all the things you talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/5999">TS</a>]
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01:40:58 ◼ ► stand behind it but to me I see it and I certainly feel it more viscerally with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► the the handhelds with the 3ds and purses iPhones and Android phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6064">TS</a>]
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01:41:24 ◼ ► competing and this is the part where they're almost screwed it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6084">TS</a>]
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01:41:33 ◼ ► other high-end Android phones which are subsidized in so many markets around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6093">TS</a>]
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01:42:29 ◼ ► the drain the devices they were putting out gave inferior experiences if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► bought an iPhone and you but whatever the bike thing rumors floating as their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► top of the line touch type thing like the iPhone was better to use it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6157">TS</a>]
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01:42:45 ◼ ► everything about it was better if you give a kid and iPod touch and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► significantly cheaper Nintendo 3ds their intended to des delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► a far superior gaming experience than the iPod Touch like I kinda disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6175">TS</a>]
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01:43:19 ◼ ► really love games love Nintendo handheld if you disagree you like games you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6199">TS</a>]
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01:43:28 ◼ ► are gaga for smartphones and love smartphones love the iPhone they did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6208">TS</a>]
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01:44:06 ◼ ► day just take the existing games and put a virtual keypad on iOS and call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6246">TS</a>]
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01:45:33 ◼ ► have wifi so we had like a whole days worth of email and went through them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/6333">TS</a>]
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02:11:08 ◼ ► often had interesting devices it wasn't the first one the best selling I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7868">TS</a>]
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02:11:19 ◼ ► what was the best seller of all time that somebody had an article one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7879">TS</a>]
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02:11:43 ◼ ► that market despite they're like oh you can I use a controller is your iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7903">TS</a>]
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02:12:03 ◼ ► that can be played with a shoulder buttons and face buttons and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7923">TS</a>]
02:12:07 ◼ ► doesn't want that market and Sony can't be content to in the Nintendo keeps them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7927">TS</a>]
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02:12:19 ◼ ► extra hardware things and make different games that are specific for mobile and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7939">TS</a>]
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02:12:30 ◼ ► your suggestion americorps I don't wanna play with touch controls nobody wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7950">TS</a>]
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02:12:38 ◼ ► they if they put Super Mario Brothers 2d side scroller with an on-screen keypad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► sure that sought copies but it's not the experiences they want and he motivates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► people from buying the platforms to make much more money like I mean say say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:50 ◼ ► went so far only cuz it had to hardware failed and it didn't have it didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7970">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► the bank the bank roll and you know the history and the stability of Nintendo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► right so it's Dreamcast to make it in the market and they had two eggs at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7978">TS</a>]
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02:13:11 ◼ ► worried so much about the television console space more than the portable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7991">TS</a>]
02:13:15 ◼ ► because like I said the portable on Apple seems not to be not to want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7995">TS</a>]
02:13:18 ◼ ► they're not going to come in Apple or Microsoft thing people who come in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/7998">TS</a>]
02:13:24 ◼ ► around so he's been trying to knock around doesn't succeed Apple could but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8004">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► don't think they want it but in the television attached console space they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:30 ◼ ► think they have a problem because it's much easier for Apple to almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8010">TS</a>]
02:13:35 ◼ ► accidentally crushed them in the market and the portable gaming market I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8015">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► so sure about that because I don't think the 3ds would be a viable platform still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► is but if Apple produces a television attached device with the GPU power of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► the iPad 4 in it which is not inconceivable that they could ship a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:54 ◼ ► little pup ship thing like that and hooks up to the App Store right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8034">TS</a>]
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02:14:01 ◼ ► doing that but suddenly the idea of apple or someone else like giving you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8041">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► game controller for your television connected Apple device for the GPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► that's comfortable in power to what seemed like you know now that is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:16 ◼ ► problem for Nintendo or any other company for the television attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8056">TS</a>]
02:14:20 ◼ ► console because it makes it really easy to buy games it really easy to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8060">TS</a>]
02:14:24 ◼ ► games the hunter worry about all that and makes it really easy to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8064">TS</a>]
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02:14:31 ◼ ► play it and that is around where I think Apple maybe not would be enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8071">TS</a>]
02:14:35 ◼ ► about making controller whatever time the controller is a possibility because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8075">TS</a>]
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02:14:42 ◼ ► from the App Store for your phone but you need this weird thing I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8082">TS</a>]
02:14:45 ◼ ► a harder sell than buying in for TV and of course you need this week which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8085">TS</a>]
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02:14:52 ◼ ► gonna play with their remote right so you know the new Apple TV has Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8092">TS</a>]
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02:15:07 ◼ ► right then attended was wrong and also by the way has a reasonably viable game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:12 ◼ ► platform at that point that could really you know if you take away all of all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8112">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► Nintendo's television that console sales all they've got left is the portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:20 ◼ ► don't know that's enough to subsidize the next you know builder mara 3d again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8120">TS</a>]
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02:16:23 ◼ ► ago Venture Beat has reported pictures of samsung Smart Watch that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8183">TS</a>]
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02:17:13 ◼ ► to and make some wisecrack about it and it's going to turn out it was the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8233">TS</a>]
02:17:19 ◼ ► because this thing I don't think that's beyond the Samsung to produce I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8239">TS</a>]
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02:17:38 ◼ ► been that this is a private already exists you know that this doesn't sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► like something that maybe came out two years ago it probably already exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► taking jobs that bad I was seen as possible just because maybe no news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:49 ◼ ► about it didn't sell out but someone dug up a picture in the catalog and there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8269">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► into looks like a Saturday Night Live skit it's like an iPhone 3G and iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8273">TS</a>]
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02:18:03 ◼ ► think so bothersome there there's like the logo and there's a little help I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8283">TS</a>]
02:18:07 ◼ ► can't help but think it's posts something you know like some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8287">TS</a>]
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02:18:15 ◼ ► like the little drawings showing like the pencil drawings of the side view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8295">TS</a>]
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02:18:22 ◼ ► it didn't come out two years ago this is really bad I think it's ok but boy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8302">TS</a>]
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02:18:35 ◼ ► how bad Samsung is designing something when they don't have even tried maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8315">TS</a>]
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02:18:44 ◼ ► that it's it's double the width of the rest of the drug photoshop job it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8324">TS</a>]
02:18:50 ◼ ► like it's the strap is too big like tilting like a little kid wearing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8330">TS</a>]
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02:19:09 ◼ ► iPhone 5 C or whatever you want something to talk about an ounce exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8349">TS</a>]
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02:19:18 ◼ ► to be the white iPhone now has gold metallic trim or is it a third of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8358">TS</a>]
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02:19:47 ◼ ► like white I gotta gotta stick with the white and black and the nice thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8387">TS</a>]
02:19:53 ◼ ► then what face does this thing have white face so there'll be two white ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8393">TS</a>]
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02:20:23 ◼ ► make judgments like this when all you see here are you know mock-ups in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8423">TS</a>]
02:20:28 ◼ ► the exact color of gold dictates whether it looks awful with wider good with ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8428">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► and everything we've seen you know if I do so much smoke with the gold trim that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:38 ◼ ► it I feel like there's enough smoke than willing to say there's problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8438">TS</a>]
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02:21:21 ◼ ► one with silver trim and black faced one with gold trim she's on an adapted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8481">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► look at him but I was 7 makes the white one something more attractive for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy4Piik/8488">TS</a>]
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